| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:00 |
Peacock |
well i'd offer him a muslim bale, but they can't stop fighting eachother long enough to grow a crop XD |
| 00:00 |
VanessaE |
lol |
| 00:00 |
Mossmanikin |
Yeah, religion is fun |
| 00:00 |
Peacock |
religion is like sex, it should be practised in private :P |
| 00:01 |
Peacock |
or in swinger's clubs/churches |
| 00:01 |
Mossmanikin |
Don't have anithing against sex on the streets |
| 00:02 |
Peacock |
though when you consider how many catholic priests go for the little choir boys, the line between swinger's club and church tends to blur :P |
| 00:02 |
VanessaE |
Mossmanikin: so THAT's why you keep walking in with the spray cans and stencils? |
| 00:03 |
Mossmanikin |
VanessaE: who knows? |
| 00:04 |
VanessaE |
of course if Tesla motors has their way, the strees WILL be sexy anyway (take note of their four models of electric cars...) |
| 00:04 |
VanessaE |
streets* |
| 00:04 |
Peacock |
the ones that catch fire? |
| 00:04 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: um. don't. |
| 00:04 |
VanessaE |
just, don't. |
| 00:05 |
VanessaE |
the ones that catch fire IF YOU PIERCE THEM WITH A BALLISTIC PROJECTILE sure. :) |
| 00:05 |
Mossmanikin |
I try to avoid commercials, don't watch tv |
| 00:06 |
Peacock |
http://beta.slashdot.org/story/195819 |
| 00:06 |
VanessaE |
Mossmanikin: the joke was that, for reasons only those guys know, their cars are models S, X, E, and Y is already registered. rearrange as appropriate :) |
| 00:06 |
Peacock |
slashdot seems to excuse alot of tesla fires, but i've read about 3-4 seperate incidents over the last months :P |
| 00:08 |
PilzAdam |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1066 wat? |
| 00:08 |
VanessaE |
there were 3. one guy hit a trailer hitch (the whole hitch, not just the ball) |
| 00:08 |
Mossmanikin |
VanessaE: ah thanx, well joke ain't funny when explained :( |
| 00:08 |
VanessaE |
one guy wrapped his around a tree |
| 00:08 |
VanessaE |
the other, I don't remember |
| 00:08 |
VanessaE |
oh, a concrete wall, wasn't it? |
| 00:09 |
Peacock |
im talking about standalone fires, not shit that happens after a crash :P any car will catch fire after a crash, thats not news :P |
| 00:10 |
Mossmanikin |
Think about all the nodes the entity hits... |
| 00:10 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: there were none on record. |
| 00:10 |
VanessaE |
all of the fires in question are the result of an accident. |
| 00:11 |
VanessaE |
that's what the media seems to be leaving out |
| 00:11 |
Peacock |
the article i posted was about a garage fire, unless they *crashed* into their garage, your argument is invalid :P |
| 00:11 |
VanessaE |
meanwhile there were recalls of G*d knows how many erm..ford trucks was it? spontaneous fires while parked. |
| 00:12 |
VanessaE |
*reads* |
| 00:12 |
Mossmanikin |
Love how you censor God :D |
| 00:12 |
VanessaE |
" Tesla says the fire was not caused by any part of the car nor its charging system, reports Reuters" |
| 00:12 |
VanessaE |
your argument is invalid. |
| 00:12 |
Peacock |
of course the manufacturer will deny problems with their car, the same way google and MS deny cooperating with the NSA, but you don't believe that either |
| 00:12 |
VanessaE |
Mossmanikin: I'll explain that some other time. |
| 00:13 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: so...got any evidence that it was the car or its charger? |
| 00:13 |
Peacock |
i dont think i'll ever understand geeks :P they'll defend a company that produces shitty yet futuristic cars, but if an IT company produces shitty software, then it's the evils of proprietary :P |
| 00:13 |
Mossmanikin |
VanessaE: no need to explain, but still interested |
| 00:15 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: "shitty"... ever driven one? neither have I. but at least I give them a chance to do something good. |
| 00:15 |
VanessaE |
hate on Elon Musk all you want for Paypal. Everyone does. |
| 00:15 |
VanessaE |
but don't hate on him for Tesla. |
| 00:15 |
Peacock |
i kinda view Tesla as the R&D aspect of electric cars, other companies (likely in other countries) will be the ones to reap the benefit |
| 00:16 |
VanessaE |
an all-electric that can go 250 miles in a charge, can charge in 45 mins from a supercharger station, can have its battery swapped out in like, what was it, 5 mins? yes it all costs a fuckload of money, but the point is it exists NOW. |
| 00:17 |
VanessaE |
cost aside, what's not to like? |
| 00:17 |
Peacock |
depends how you produce your electricity, in Quebec we're mostly hydro dams, but in alot of places, it's coal |
| 00:17 |
VanessaE |
yrep |
| 00:17 |
VanessaE |
but even coal is cleaner than gasoline |
| 00:18 |
VanessaE |
better to hgave one coal-fired plant powering a thousand electrics than a thousand gasoline-powered cars running around |
| 00:18 |
Peacock |
but then shifting the blame from your personal oil consumption to the power plant's coal consumption doesn't really make much of a difference to the environment |
| 00:18 |
VanessaE |
-g |
| 00:18 |
VanessaE |
look |
| 00:18 |
VanessaE |
electricity is fungible. |
| 00:18 |
Mossmanikin |
Finally a reason to mine more coal |
| 00:18 |
VanessaE |
coal now if we have to use it |
| 00:18 |
VanessaE |
nuclear when we can get rid of the NIMBYs |
| 00:18 |
VanessaE |
fusion if that ever becomes viable |
| 00:18 |
VanessaE |
wind/solar in the meanwhile wherever it makes sense |
| 00:18 |
Peacock |
seriously, electric cars would make sense to me if we went mostly nuclear power |
| 00:19 |
VanessaE |
electric cars don't give two shits where the power comes from - generate it any way you can. coal, nuke, solar, wind, tidal, I don't give a shit what but get the fuck off of using oil! |
| 00:19 |
Peacock |
thats the thing, they're not more environmental if the local power plant uses the same old methods as your old car |
| 00:20 |
VanessaE |
but they don't. |
| 00:20 |
VanessaE |
the EPA sees to that rather strictly. |
| 00:20 |
kaeza |
175383256 AAA batteries |
| 00:20 |
VanessaE |
even the dirtiest coal plant is cleaner than the cleanest petrol engines. |
| 00:20 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: eh? |
| 00:21 |
Peacock |
i dont think all the pollution in China is the result of cars lol |
| 00:21 |
kaeza |
:| |
| 00:21 |
kaeza |
nothing |
| 00:21 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: actually a large percentage of it is, but China doesn't have the EPA there to stop them from polluting. |
| 00:21 |
Peacock |
cars were much less fuel efficient in the 70's and we didn't have the smog china has today |
| 00:21 |
VanessaE |
we can only clean our back yard and yell at the neighbors for theirs |
| 00:23 |
VanessaE |
it's either we just yell at china for trashing the neighborhood whilst we keep our side of the fence clean, or we jump the fence, start cleaning up their yard, and send them the bill (with police to back up our claim - i.e. armed soldiers ) |
| 00:23 |
VanessaE |
seeing as how we are already spread thin enough as it is, I don't see the latter happening. |
| 00:23 |
VanessaE |
someone else is gonna have to take China to task over their pollutiobn |
| 00:23 |
VanessaE |
pollution* |
| 00:23 |
VanessaE |
we just do not have the resources :-/ |
| 00:25 |
Jordach |
the nukes, the nukes |
| 00:25 |
Jordach |
russians would gladly nuke em for us |
| 00:26 |
Peacock |
well a one child policy for the entire world wouldn't hurt either :P |
| 00:27 |
Peacock |
bring the pop. down to half a billion |
| 00:27 |
Peacock |
god knows whoever's left will want a new ipad every year |
| 00:27 |
VanessaE |
we don't need population control. |
| 00:27 |
VanessaE |
we need CORRUPTION control. |
| 00:27 |
Peacock |
lol yeah we do, we already consume way too much |
| 00:27 |
VanessaE |
no |
| 00:28 |
VanessaE |
we have 100 times the land area as people to fill it |
| 00:28 |
VanessaE |
we have too much corruption in governments all over the world to efficiently USE it |
| 00:28 |
VanessaE |
(for people, agriculture, power generation, etc) |
| 00:28 |
Peacock |
you only use land? remind me again who has the best computer specs here? you think computer tech doesn't need precious minerals? |
| 00:29 |
VanessaE |
and which country holds a monopoly on rare earths needed for that? |
| 00:29 |
VanessaE |
China. |
| 00:29 |
VanessaE |
and why? |
| 00:29 |
VanessaE |
corruption and greed. |
| 00:29 |
VanessaE |
come on man |
| 00:29 |
VanessaE |
it's way simpler than you're letting yourself believe. |
| 00:29 |
Peacock |
lol so you think your country would manage those resources better? |
| 00:29 |
VanessaE |
those two words explain 90% of the problems this world faces today. |
| 00:29 |
VanessaE |
no, quite the opposite |
| 00:29 |
Peacock |
if the US had control of those resources and could sell even more tech, they would |
| 00:30 |
VanessaE |
my country would manage them right into the ground, so to speak. |
| 00:30 |
Peacock |
so why blame China when they're doing a better job of it? |
| 00:30 |
VanessaE |
because they're doing just as bad a job as any other country |
| 00:31 |
Peacock |
so you're solution would be what? more regulations that enrich the regulators as opposed to tech CEO's, how does that change anything? |
| 00:31 |
VanessaE |
besides, |
| 00:31 |
Peacock |
*your |
| 00:31 |
VanessaE |
you forget yourself: |
| 00:31 |
VanessaE |
China controls those redources |
| 00:31 |
VanessaE |
DAMN IT |
| 00:31 |
VanessaE |
CAN'T TYP |
| 00:31 |
VanessaE |
china controls those resources because they are in chinese territory |
| 00:32 |
Peacock |
Africa? |
| 00:32 |
VanessaE |
you can't exactly just pick up that slice of earth and move it to US or European territory |
| 00:33 |
VanessaE |
how would I know what needs done to fix the problem? I only know a problem exists, I don't have enough details of the problem to propose a solution. |
| 00:33 |
VanessaE |
clearly, you don't either if you want to bring out the boogeyman of regulation |
| 00:33 |
Peacock |
yeah, but you still consumer more computer products than most of us here, though you have no problem assigning blame elsewhere :P |
| 00:34 |
Peacock |
*consume |
| 00:34 |
VanessaE |
regulation is there to stop corporations from doing shit to harm people that they will definitely do if not told otherwise. |
| 00:34 |
VanessaE |
you "consume" just as much as I do. |
| 00:34 |
Peacock |
i wish i had your specs lol |
| 00:34 |
VanessaE |
how many computers have you bought in your life? |
| 00:34 |
Peacock |
but even working i can't find the budget for it |
| 00:35 |
Peacock |
all the computers i have now doesn't compare to the rig you run your servers on lol |
| 00:35 |
VanessaE |
rig? |
| 00:35 |
VanessaE |
I run my servers on a VPS somewhere in Atlanta, GA. |
| 00:36 |
Peacock |
you paid real money to run a minetest server? no wonder banks won't lend to you :P |
| 00:36 |
VanessaE |
it has 1GB of RAM available to it, 8 2.6 GHz cores (that together, perform more like 2) |
| 00:37 |
VanessaE |
I pay real money to run a website that also makes me a little money on the side. The minetest servers go along for the ride. |
| 00:37 |
Peacock |
well with the specs you mention i'd expect a full shop and cart |
| 00:37 |
Peacock |
many clients of mine have smaller specs and better sales |
| 00:38 |
VanessaE |
the electronics stuff in my "Project" page makes actual, real cash money (not bitcoin or some other bullshit) and most months I turn a small profit. not much, but enough to cover the website expense. I moved to a VPS so I could take the servers off of my home PC and put them on the cloud where they belong. |
| 00:38 |
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| 00:38 |
VanessaE |
doesn't matter |
| 00:39 |
VanessaE |
this is all bullshit anywatys |
| 00:39 |
Peacock |
well if it makes enough to cover hosting, then it's a self-sufficient project but hardly worth the trouble if it doesn't bring real income |
| 00:39 |
VanessaE |
what's all this got to do with pollution in china that's a direct result of lack of pollution regulations? |
| 00:40 |
Peacock |
well the point was you consume the same as any other american, and yet complain about standards in china, which is a direct result of western consumption, seems a tad hypocritical to me |
| 00:40 |
VanessaE |
if if costs less for joe to dump his cow shit in the river than it does to truck it to the waste treatment plant, and there's no law that syas he can't, you damn well better assume he'll dump it in the river. |
| 00:40 |
VanessaE |
THAT is what regulations are fort. |
| 00:40 |
VanessaE |
for* |
| 00:41 |
Peacock |
well isn't that the point? it's cheaper to get shit in China so what does it matter what they're environmental standards are? if you really care you'll insist on buying shit made a country with real environmental standards |
| 00:42 |
Peacock |
*their |
| 00:42 |
VanessaE |
do I have a choice? |
| 00:42 |
VanessaE |
is there ANYTHING made in America (or outside of china for that matter) anymore? |
| 00:42 |
Mossmanikin |
religion/politics... |
| 00:42 |
Peacock |
Mossmanikin economics :P |
| 00:42 |
VanessaE |
you honestly think I can buy a PC, even a low end one at ridiculous prices, without a single component made in china? |
| 00:43 |
Mossmanikin |
Peacock: don't see a contradiction :D |
| 00:43 |
Peacock |
well when i see environmental types bitch about consumerism yet own new cars and new iphones, i tend to peg them for hypocrites. you can either be a consumer, or an environmentalist, you can't be both |
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| 00:44 |
VanessaE |
well? |
| 00:44 |
Mossmanikin |
It's not black or white |
| 00:44 |
VanessaE |
I'm waiting for an answer |
| 00:45 |
Peacock |
i think americans have more consumer choices than we do in Canada, owing to the size of the market |
| 00:45 |
Peacock |
and even then, i consume less than you |
| 00:45 |
Peacock |
and i don't bitch about environmental standards lol |
| 00:45 |
VanessaE |
I'm STILL waiting for an answer. |
| 00:45 |
Peacock |
i think the more people feel guilty about something, the more they have to talk about saving that something |
| 00:46 |
Peacock |
i already told you, you have more choices about where to buy your hardware than i do |
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| 00:46 |
Peacock |
now if you insist on low prices, obviously you're going to end up with chinese crap |
| 00:46 |
VanessaE |
you honestly think I can buy a PC, even a low end one at ridiculous prices, (extra emphasis now) WITHOUT A SINGLE CHINESE-MADE COMPONENT? |
| 00:47 |
VanessaE |
the answer is a solid, resounding, "no fucking way." |
| 00:47 |
VanessaE |
no one makes such a thing. |
| 00:47 |
VanessaE |
except china. |
| 00:47 |
Peacock |
well you know that's fine, but don't pretend you care about the environment when you know damn well where your stuff comes from |
| 00:47 |
PilzAdam |
bye |
| 00:48 |
VanessaE |
ok so because I have no choice of where my shit comes from, automatically I don't care about the environment? |
| 00:48 |
VanessaE |
nice non-sequitur there. |
| 00:48 |
VanessaE |
you don't live here |
| 00:48 |
Peacock |
with the internet you can buy shit from europe and have it shipped, and god knows they have higher standards about almost everything |
| 00:48 |
VanessaE |
and where do you think those things are made? |
| 00:48 |
VanessaE |
they're made in china |
| 00:49 |
VanessaE |
made in Europe---from chinese parts. |
| 00:49 |
VanessaE |
oh wait! Made in Europe -- from Italian boards -- ....populated with chinese chips. |
| 00:50 |
VanessaE |
china is as ingrained into the world economy now as Japan was in the 80's |
| 00:50 |
Peacock |
well maybe the problem is too many people thought like you, that all parts everywhere would come from the chepeast place on the earth, with the lowest standards, and from then on every other competitor died |
| 00:51 |
VanessaE |
the Philippines, Mexico, etc were in other periods. |
| 00:51 |
VanessaE |
it's just that it's China now. |
| 00:51 |
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| 00:51 |
VanessaE |
too many people WITH BILLIONS IN PURCHASING POWER thought "hey, let's go where it's cheap and they don't give two shits about the environment" |
| 00:51 |
VanessaE |
as if I have any control over that! |
| 00:52 |
VanessaE |
come on man |
| 00:52 |
VanessaE |
use a bit of logic! |
| 00:52 |
Enke |
What's going on? |
| 00:52 |
VanessaE |
Enke: peacock is on another anti-american rant. |
| 00:52 |
Peacock |
yeah well what happens when everyone goes where it's cheap, and no one thinks it's their personal responsibility to change those habits? |
| 00:52 |
Enke |
anti-american rant about what? |
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| 00:53 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: people have a personal responsibility first to their own wallets and where that affects their families and their futures. if you lived here, you'd realize that too. |
| 00:53 |
VanessaE |
so shut up. |
| 00:53 |
Enke |
I am so lost... |
| 00:53 |
Peacock |
so wallets 1st, environment 2nd, glad we cleared that up :-) it's as i thought |
| 00:53 |
VanessaE |
enke: how supposedly it's all america's fault that china is this huge world polluter because of how much we buy from them while supposedly encouraging environmentally-unfriendly behavior. |
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| 00:54 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: empty wallet = death. clear enough? |
| 00:54 |
Peacock |
thought the anti-american thing is invalid, i dislike the chinese more than i dislike americans, hell i even like americans more than europeans :P |
| 00:54 |
Enke |
Hm. Seems like the logical idea would be that China is the reason that China is a world polluter. |
| 00:54 |
VanessaE |
it is THAT fucked up in america now. |
| 00:55 |
Enke |
Heck, outsourcing has probably helped America. |
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VanessaE |
enke: THANK YOU! |
| 00:55 |
VanessaE |
finally someone who understand |
| 00:55 |
VanessaE |
+s |
| 00:55 |
Peacock |
if by anti-american you mean it's not america's fault that china is a world power now, then yeah i guess you could call it that way :P |
| 00:55 |
VanessaE |
China is entirely at fault for their own pollution habits, and NO ONE ELSE> |
| 00:56 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: how many people does America have? |
| 00:56 |
VanessaE |
how many? |
| 00:56 |
Peacock |
so if production had stayed in america, it would be america's fault instead? |
| 00:56 |
VanessaE |
2 billion? 4? 5? |
| 00:56 |
VanessaE |
nbo. |
| 00:56 |
VanessaE |
no. |
| 00:56 |
Enke |
We get things for cheaper prices, while at the same time, we give other people in China jobs, and Americans who lost their jobs to outsourcing can find a new job where thy can probably do better anyways |
| 00:56 |
VanessaE |
350 million or so. |
| 00:56 |
VanessaE |
how many people does china have? |
| 00:56 |
VanessaE |
some 1.5B. |
| 00:56 |
VanessaE |
do the math. |
| 00:57 |
Enke |
Many people in business know that a good strategy to give people new jobs is to lay off some workers. |
| 00:57 |
Peacock |
im at a loss to see the difference, china sells cheap crap to everyone, if production had stayed in america, fewer people could buy those same products, by your logic the environment would be better off, either way, the west consumes |
| 00:58 |
VanessaE |
China's economy is almost entirely driven by China's OWN POPULATION. If america went into the shitheap tomorrow, china wouldn't feel it, |
| 00:58 |
VanessaE |
there are another 5 billion people in the world china can and will sell to. |
| 00:58 |
Enke |
Well, whether we like it or not, we are all consumers of air |
| 00:58 |
Peacock |
China is hugely dependent on the US, probably the only reason there hasn't been a war between both countries |
| 00:58 |
VanessaE |
China have to clean up their act. And only they can do that. |
| 00:59 |
VanessaE |
they are 100% responsible for their pollution, and no one else. |
| 00:59 |
Peacock |
and once China cleans up their act western companies will settle in other countries (like India among others) |
| 00:59 |
Enke |
I think that China's economy would be damaged if America went down, but It probably wouldn't devestate them. |
| 00:59 |
Mossmanikin |
Like that one about air |
| 00:59 |
VanessaE |
no matter who funds their economy, it is ENTIRELY on their shoulders what they DO with those funds. |
| 00:59 |
Peacock |
see vanessae's mentality is the western mentality: shift the blame for pollution onto the 3rd world, even though we consume the same things |
| 01:00 |
VanessaE |
I will NOT be held responsible if I give Joe five bucks and he uses that to buy a gallon of gas to go torch some building. |
| 01:00 |
Enke |
In the end, the fault of air pollution in China rests on the shoulders of China's population/government. |
| 01:00 |
VanessaE |
NO! |
| 01:00 |
VanessaE |
I DID NOT HOLD A GUN TO ANYONE'S HEAD! |
| 01:00 |
VanessaE |
THEY CAN FIX THEIR OWN G*DDAMN PROBLEMS! |
| 01:00 |
Peacock |
but you buy the same shit no matter where it's made |
| 01:00 |
Enke |
Because it is beneficial to both of us |
| 01:01 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: So do you. |
| 01:01 |
VanessaE |
and you will continue to do so for the rest of your life. |
| 01:01 |
Peacock |
i have a flat, not a house, i walk instead of drive, i have a 7yr old, and 1 yr old tower (cpu) |
| 01:01 |
VanessaE |
so? |
| 01:01 |
Enke |
If i buy a good made in china, I get the good I need at a lower price, and they get my money to continue to manufacture goods. |
| 01:02 |
Peacock |
but you're supporting a country who by your own admission has bad standards |
| 01:02 |
VanessaE |
a 1 year old PC? ONE year old? and this you consider to be old? |
| 01:02 |
VanessaE |
and so are you. |
| 01:02 |
Enke |
Peacock: Why do you walk? |
| 01:02 |
Peacock |
the only difference is, i'm not full of shit about the environment |
| 01:02 |
VanessaE |
I buy new PCs about every three years or so or when something breaks. |
| 01:03 |
Enke |
In my family, we usually get a PC every 6-8 years. Difference is, we get the top end PC so they last longer. |
| 01:03 |
VanessaE |
the basis of my current PC, after much parts swapping, is still about three years old. |
| 01:03 |
Peacock |
i have a smaller impact on the environment, but i dont act like it's a big thing, whereas people with a bigger impact on the environment, are constantly telling me to consume less |
| 01:03 |
Enke |
Honestly, most of the environmental stuff is BS. |
| 01:04 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: I drive an old beat-up, leaky gas-guzzing 1992 cadillac deville. you know why? because I can't afford anything NEWER and BETTER. |
| 01:04 |
VanessaE |
meanwhile, I cut my electricity usage in my house to the barebones. |
| 01:04 |
Peacock |
but you have a house, and a car |
| 01:05 |
VanessaE |
a house, that I RENT. |
| 01:05 |
Peacock |
i have a flat, in my own two legs :P |
| 01:05 |
Peacock |
whether you rent or buy, the house still needs as many resources to stay warm and lit |
| 01:05 |
VanessaE |
(and I have a house because I got tired of noisy neighbors) |
| 01:05 |
Enke |
Well goody goody gumdrops for you, Peacock. |
| 01:05 |
Peacock |
so unless you have a full family, it's not very environmental |
| 01:05 |
VanessaE |
two person family, plus two cats. |
| 01:05 |
VanessaE |
and PRIVACY. |
| 01:06 |
Peacock |
well i live in a block with 20~ flats, and i get enough privacy |
| 01:06 |
Peacock |
bottom line, seems i more environmental than you are, even though you talk about it more :P |
| 01:06 |
Peacock |
*i'm |
| 01:06 |
VanessaE |
that's the difference between your area and mine. |
| 01:07 |
VanessaE |
in america, flats are not very private. |
| 01:07 |
VanessaE |
privacy is a joke here. |
| 01:07 |
VanessaE |
so we have to make do. |
| 01:07 |
Peacock |
dont they have walls in between units? |
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| 01:07 |
VanessaE |
of course they do. |
| 01:07 |
VanessaE |
and about the PC, you said I buy more hardware than you....why is your PC newer than mine then? |
| 01:07 |
VanessaE |
stop dodging my G*dddamn questions |
| 01:07 |
Peacock |
the most annoying thing i have to put with is the downstairs bar with music on the weekends, but thats no different than some douche in the burbs throwing a party on the weekend |
| 01:08 |
Peacock |
PCs? |
| 01:08 |
Peacock |
my second to last tower was a P4 |
| 01:08 |
Peacock |
the newest one (bought a year ago) was to replace it |
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| 01:08 |
Peacock |
because, let's face it, the p4 can't run minetest efficiently |
| 01:09 |
Peacock |
(despite claims of running on old hardware) |
| 01:09 |
VanessaE |
mine's 2 or 3 years old, bought to replace one that, prior, was perfectly fine save for its slots being obsolete enough that I couldn't update the video card without a full upgrade. |
| 01:09 |
VanessaE |
(in other words, I'd have kept the old machine if AGP hadn't gone obsolete) |
| 01:09 |
Enke |
That makes sense. |
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| 01:10 |
VanessaE |
my current machine will keep running until it fails. only then will I replace it. |
| 01:10 |
Peacock |
well most towers have either PCI + AGP or PCI-E slots |
| 01:11 |
VanessaE |
it was PCI+AGP. now PCI+PCIe |
| 01:11 |
Peacock |
though in my two years here, i never once got the impression that your server specs were VPS specs and not your personal specs :P |
| 01:11 |
Peacock |
now that i know, i kinda wonder why you didn't save that cash to buy a more powerful tower to host your server at home (easier all around) |
| 01:11 |
VanessaE |
I moved my minetest servers to a VPS a month and a half ago. The website moved with them, but has been in existence for ...years |
| 01:12 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: five words: violation of terms of service. |
| 01:12 |
Peacock |
i might be wrong, but you've been bragging about specs longer than a month 1/2 |
| 01:13 |
Peacock |
every time peopel compare specs, they mention you as being #1 |
| 01:13 |
VanessaE |
yeah, specs of my gaming machine, and I don't brag. those are for benchmark purposes. if I was gonna brag, I would have bought a much more powerful machine to brag about first. |
| 01:13 |
Peacock |
*people |
| 01:13 |
Peacock |
well if you're going to compare all my rigs (with the 1 new and 2 old) you might wanna include your gaming rig :P |
| 01:14 |
Enke |
VanessaE: did you see thexyz's topic about super fast servers? |
| 01:15 |
VanessaE |
I did not see it. |
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| 01:16 |
Peacock |
either way, im not saying having decent specs is bad, or that consumption is necessarily bad, but if people are going to insist on paying the lowest price possible, you shouldn't complain about the envrionmental standards of the place it comes from, it's disingenuous |
| 01:16 |
Enke |
lemme dig up the link |
| 01:16 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: at any rate, I don't buy hardware nearly as often as you think I do, nor nearly in as large a quantities either. and I absolutely do not support China's environmental policies, regardless of my purchasing decisions - I just know that no matter from whom I buy my components, *something* is gonna end up being made there. get your facts straight. |
| 01:17 |
katyusha |
People are talking about politics? Without me here?! |
| 01:17 |
katyusha |
Blasphemy |
| 01:17 |
katyusha |
:p |
| 01:17 |
Peacock |
well i do happen to know a few hardcore environmentalists, like i know vegans and free software advocates, and each of them know how to look up where their shit comes from and make decisions based on that |
| 01:18 |
Enke |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8074 |
| 01:18 |
katyusha |
You can add another free software advocate to your list Peacock :-) |
| 01:19 |
Enke |
Well where does their info come from? |
| 01:19 |
Peacock |
i wouldn't know, i'm hardly political, im just a history and C&E buff |
| 01:19 |
katyusha |
ixquick, duckduckgo, fsf, stallman can be a good reference too |
| 01:20 |
katyusha |
it just takes some digging around |
| 01:20 |
Peacock |
seeing people getting a hardon for one cause or another is enough to make me think i shouldn't get too invested in anything |
| 01:20 |
Peacock |
hardons for causes lead to cognitive dissonance, cognitive dissonance leads to the dark side |
| 01:21 |
Mossmanikin |
Welcome to the dark side |
| 01:22 |
Peacock |
open source may be one such dark side :P but there are many positions in between that make more sense :P |
| 01:23 |
Enke |
Well, everything in moderation. |
| 01:23 |
Peacock |
exactly |
| 01:24 |
Peacock |
i may care about the environment, but i won't pretend to care more than my actions show, that would be dishonest |
| 01:24 |
Mossmanikin |
Yeah, but wouldn't want to miss some extremes here and there |
| 01:24 |
Peacock |
well if you like extremism join the FSF :P |
| 01:25 |
Mossmanikin |
:D |
| 01:25 |
katyusha |
Hmm, I wonder if it's possible to run minetest on the Lemote |
| 01:25 |
katyusha |
lol |
| 01:25 |
Enke |
Yeah, that's a good way to do it. |
| 01:25 |
Peacock |
Lemote? |
| 01:25 |
Peacock |
!g lemote |
| 01:25 |
MinetestBot |
Peacock: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemote |
| 01:25 |
katyusha |
Stallman's laptop |
| 01:26 |
Peacock |
stallman, does he load websites in puretext? |
| 01:26 |
Peacock |
*doesn't |
| 01:26 |
katyusha |
He uses an emailer program similar to wget |
| 01:26 |
katyusha |
it requests a website then emails it back to him |
| 01:26 |
katyusha |
so in a way yes |
| 01:26 |
Peacock |
you might not want to follow RMS's lead :P he believes in not bathing, paedophilia and necrophilia after all :P |
| 01:26 |
katyusha |
like it would take the webpage and send it to him |
| 01:27 |
katyusha |
He's a good inspiration, but there are some rough edges |
| 01:27 |
katyusha |
I personally don't think he should get the amount of disrespect he gets. |
| 01:27 |
Peacock |
rough edges? when ones of his emacs devs had a child, he said: |
| 01:28 |
Peacock |
"It doesn't take special talents to reproduce--even plants can do it. |
| 01:28 |
Peacock |
On the other hand, contributing to a program like Emacs takes real skill. That is really something to be proud of. |
| 01:28 |
Peacock |
It helps more people, too. " |
| 01:28 |
Peacock |
thats the definition of autistic (or lack of empathy) |
| 01:29 |
katyusha |
I'm sure he said that, but honestly it's not like other software developers are very nice about things either |
| 01:29 |
katyusha |
Take a look at Theo and Linus's quotes |
| 01:29 |
Mossmanikin |
Somehow like it... :D |
| 01:29 |
Enke |
Well, for every well-intentioned group, like open-source, there are extremists who beleive that everything should be open-source and all people who try to make a profit off of software should be dead, like RMS. |
| 01:30 |
Peacock |
well even linus has milder views than RMS |
| 01:30 |
Peacock |
theo i dont know so well |
| 01:30 |
Peacock |
i know Hans Reiser (ReseirFS) killed his wife and is currently serving time |
| 01:31 |
Enke |
The only way that having all computer software be free would be if anybody who was breathing could make software. However they cannot. |
| 01:32 |
Peacock |
free software will never rule the world :P but that doesn't mean free software is bad, we just need to be realistic :-) |
| 01:32 |
katyusha |
I would disagree. You can make money by having somebody pay you for making the software rather than selling it. |
| 01:32 |
Peacock |
*it just means we |
| 01:32 |
Enke |
Some people state that being charged for software is a rip-off, but when they charge you money, they may be charging you because of time, or they have to pay salary to workers, etc. etc. |
| 01:33 |
katyusha |
Back in the 70's and 80's that's how it worked. The module could still work fine. |
| 01:33 |
katyusha |
*model |
| 01:33 |
Mossmanikin |
Freedom and ruling is a contradiction |
| 01:33 |
Peacock |
<katyusha> yeah companies can pay you to write free software, but to the dev, how's that different from being paid to write prop. software? |
| 01:33 |
Peacock |
in a purely free software world, companies would have nothing to do with software dev |
| 01:33 |
katyusha |
It's better ethically. If you can still get paid for writing free software over proprietary software you should go for the FOSS job. |
| 01:34 |
Peacock |
because they couldn't profit from selling licenses |
| 01:34 |
Peacock |
well you know what else is better ethically? paying less rent and less for food, but freetards never argue those points, otherwise i might agree with them more :P |
| 01:35 |
Enke |
Well, if anybody could program, then it would make sense for them to be free. If someone walks 10 feet outside, and picks up a small rock and charges me $10, I'm being ripped off. Because they are charging me money for something that everyone can do. |
| 01:35 |
Peacock |
people can live without software, they can't live without a roof over their heads or food in their bellies :P |
| 01:35 |
katyusha |
Most of them specialise in software. We all have niche ideas that can create a better society if we work with each other. |
| 01:35 |
katyusha |
Also I ask you not to use the term "freetard". It gets thrown around too much. |
| 01:35 |
katyusha |
Though I can understand your point. |
| 01:36 |
Enke |
Well, why should I do something for everyone that takes up a huge portion of my life and not get any compensation? |
| 01:36 |
Peacock |
the problem with free software as an extremist mentality is that it leads to pure communism (if you apply the notion to all fields of economics) which has already been shown to be a failure |
| 01:36 |
Enke |
That's part of the reason for proprietary software. |
| 01:36 |
* Enke |
agrees with Peacock |
| 01:36 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: seems to work okay in israel's kibbutzim. |
| 01:37 |
katyusha |
Socialism doesn't necessarily have to be authortarian Stalinism or even Marxist/Leninism. |
| 01:37 |
Peacock |
Israel ditched left/communist ideals in the 70s |
| 01:37 |
katyusha |
Socialism doesn't work because we don't want it to work. People aren't willing to work collectively and thus we would have to use an authortarian government |
| 01:37 |
Peacock |
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424053111904716604576548703926339210 |
| 01:37 |
Enke |
Well, America's got quite a bit of socialism going on, so to get an idea of how well it works, just look at our debt. |
| 01:38 |
katyusha |
It would be fine if we were willing to drop what we were doing and switch over our economic system |
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| 01:38 |
katyusha |
I wouldn't say it's socialism with all the corporate control |
| 01:38 |
Enke |
That's what russia did. Tell me how well it worked out for them. |
| 01:38 |
Peacock |
the debt is a result of state capitalism, which is just as bad as communism :P |
| 01:38 |
katyusha |
^ that |
| 01:39 |
katyusha |
besides the communism part |
| 01:39 |
Peacock |
supporting specific industries vs supporting the entire economy amounts to the same, we the people pay for it in the end |
| 01:40 |
Mossmanikin |
There's a lot of different types of communism, from anarchism to stalinism... |
| 01:40 |
Peacock |
anarchy isn't communism, its local government |
| 01:40 |
Enke |
But they all amount to the same ideal. |
| 01:40 |
Enke |
anarchy is no government. |
| 01:40 |
Mossmanikin |
It's not a contradictiction |
| 01:41 |
Peacock |
anarchy is local government (think Free Cities of the Holy Roman Empire) |
| 01:41 |
katyusha |
technically communism is anarchy (in the marxist sense) |
| 01:41 |
Peacock |
well we've never had real communism on this Earth |
| 01:41 |
Mossmanikin |
in theory, maybe |
| 01:42 |
Mossmanikin |
right |
| 01:42 |
Peacock |
communism as defined is the end goal of a political and economical transformation, everything in history was an in-between |
| 01:42 |
Enke |
Well, according to Wikipedia and the dictionary, there are many schools of anarchist thought, so this argument over anarchy is pointless. |
| 01:42 |
Mossmanikin |
although... in small communities... |
| 01:43 |
Enke |
!g Communism |
| 01:43 |
MinetestBot |
Enke: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism |
| 01:43 |
Peacock |
Enke there are many schools of keynesian though, yet we still experienced it :P |
| 01:43 |
Peacock |
*thought |
| 01:43 |
Enke |
[Communism] is a socialist movement to create a classless, moneyless,[1][2] and stateless social order |
| 01:44 |
Peacock |
and that never happened in China or Russia |
| 01:44 |
Peacock |
they still had money and classes until the end |
| 01:44 |
Peacock |
except the upper classes in communism are regulators |
| 01:45 |
Peacock |
people who can't lose their jobs by vote or buyouts |
| 01:45 |
Enke |
Because communism didn't work. It simply made certain people rich at the expense of others. |
| 01:45 |
Peacock |
it's two sides of the same coin :P |
| 01:46 |
Peacock |
in both system you still have bosses, it's just in one system they make you believe you don't |
| 01:46 |
iqualfragile_ |
communism is not a stable state |
| 01:46 |
Enke |
Peacock: Are you arguing that communism didn't work because we didn't practice it correctly? |
| 01:46 |
Mossmanikin |
Know some people who lived in the DDR, I understand they miss something |
| 01:47 |
Enke |
Communist concepts are the perfect fodder for a dictator to take over. |
| 01:48 |
Mossmanikin |
Like any dream |
| 01:48 |
Enke |
Now why are we arguing. It's pretty obvious that nobody's going to change their line of thought. |
| 01:50 |
Mossmanikin |
I'mnot arguing, just exchanging thoughts, I try to refrain from arguing about politics or religion |
| 01:51 |
Peacock |
communism didn't work because it would have demanded more selflessness than people were capable of :P |
| 01:52 |
iqualfragile_ |
Peacock: exactly my point, comunism is not a stable state |
| 01:52 |
Enke |
Well, then, if people cannot do it, then it will not work. Forced compassion isn't compassion. |
| 01:52 |
Peacock |
bureaucrats are the same in whatever system, they'll protect their own jobs before thinking of the state |
| 01:53 |
Enke |
Well, bureaucrats are anywhere, so... |
| 01:53 |
Peacock |
the fall of Rome is a story that has been repeated throughout history |
| 01:54 |
Peacock |
and for the same reasons |
| 01:54 |
Enke |
You have a point. |
| 01:54 |
Mossmanikin |
Look at the past... |
| 01:55 |
Peacock |
to me, it doesn't matter what ideals any particular system is built on, there will always be vultures to gut it completely :P |
| 01:57 |
Peacock |
somewhat pessimistic/nihilistic, but still :P |
| 01:58 |
Enke |
Well, pessimists are either correct or pleasently surprised. Be a pessimist! |
| 01:58 |
Peacock |
indeed, i'd rather be pleasantly surprised :P |
| 01:59 |
Mossmanikin |
Not really, it's just in the nature of things that everything ends, isn't it? |
| 01:59 |
Enke |
wouln't everyone. |
| 01:59 |
Enke |
*wouldn't |
| 02:01 |
Peacock |
well the last episode of TNG was "All good things come to an end" :P |
| 02:01 |
Peacock |
though depending on your religion, you may believe in cyclical history |
| 02:01 |
VanessaE |
no, it wasn;t. |
| 02:01 |
VanessaE |
it was "All Good Things"/ |
| 02:02 |
Mossmanikin |
The optimistic version is: not only good things :D |
| 02:02 |
Peacock |
ah well, Q used the full sentence :P |
| 02:02 |
Enke |
On the upside, all hellish things come to an end. |
| 02:02 |
VanessaE |
turn in your geek card :P |
| 02:02 |
VanessaE |
Enke: true that |
| 02:03 |
Enke |
:) |
| 02:03 |
Peacock |
im not crazy about watching the finales since it kinda spoils watching the rest of the series over and over LOL |
| 02:03 |
Enke |
Dear Lord, brain overload... |
| 02:04 |
Enke |
Just learning about SSH and TelNet and RLogin and all sorts of stuff. PuTTY is hard |
| 02:04 |
VanessaE |
well then ENT and TOS are fine, since the former's "fianle" was bunk and the latter lacked one entirely. |
| 02:04 |
Peacock |
thought if star trek were remade today on TV, it would be completely for retards so there wouldn't be any point |
| 02:04 |
VanessaE |
finale* |
| 02:04 |
Enke |
I liked Voyager's finale. |
| 02:05 |
VanessaE |
me too |
| 02:05 |
Peacock |
really? the end of that episode totally sucked |
| 02:05 |
Peacock |
i was expecting to see some sort of homecoming |
| 02:05 |
Enke |
I liked it. |
| 02:05 |
Enke |
Ah well, just opinions. |
| 02:05 |
Peacock |
even the 2-parter Timeless had a better homecoming |
| 02:05 |
Mossmanikin |
Liked Dexter's finale |
| 02:05 |
Peacock |
really? most people hated it though i never followed Dexter |
| 02:06 |
Peacock |
im kinda thinking Mad Men's finale will probably suck |
| 02:06 |
Mossmanikin |
No, 't was ok |
| 02:06 |
Enke |
Never watched that one. |
| 02:06 |
Peacock |
can't wait for Hannibal (TV) to pick up though, should be awesome |
| 02:07 |
Peacock |
and game of thrones |
| 02:07 |
Peacock |
kinda got into that at the last minute |
| 02:07 |
Mossmanikin |
Can't wait for more episodes of the walking dead |
| 02:08 |
Peacock |
though game of thrones kinda sounds like finding a free stall in a public bathroom |
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Peacock |
yeah walking dead was good in the last episode, though the first 1/2 of season 4 and all of season 3 sucked ass |
| 02:08 |
NANOsoldierEnke |
My connection randomly died... strange |
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| 02:10 |
Mossmanikin |
Normally don't like zombies that much, but walking dead has something |
| 02:10 |
Peacock |
walking dead has gone through too many producers, and it shows :P |
| 02:11 |
Peacock |
hopefully the second half of s4 will be decent |
| 02:11 |
Mossmanikin |
Dunno, haven't watched the latest episodes yet |
| 02:11 |
Peacock |
not the last 2-3? |
| 02:12 |
Peacock |
you might shit yourself, they were pretty good, compared to everything before |
| 02:12 |
Mossmanikin |
Lemme take a look at my disk :D |
| 02:13 |
Peacock |
well if you didn't see the tank roll up to the prison, then you haven't seen the last 2 episodes :P |
| 02:13 |
Mossmanikin |
Season 3 untill episode 8 |
| 02:13 |
Peacock |
isn't the current season = 4? |
| 02:14 |
Mossmanikin |
Yeah, watch so many series... |
| 02:14 |
Peacock |
meh, i understand that :P i recently had a Sliders marathon :P |
| 02:14 |
Peacock |
that series could use a remake with a decent budget |
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Mossmanikin |
Sliders... what was that about? |
| 02:16 |
Peacock |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sliders |
| 02:16 |
Peacock |
kinda old, which is why i think a decent remake might be cool |
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| 02:17 |
Mossmanikin |
Recognize some faces... |
| 02:17 |
Enke |
huh? |
| 02:17 |
Peacock |
really? i never saw them in anything else since |
| 02:18 |
Peacock |
if Sliders hadn't been done by Fox, it might have been better :P |
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Mossmanikin |
Must've been some forgotten nights in front of the tv |
| 02:19 |
Peacock |
well that was at the same time as Outer Limits (90s) and X-Files |
| 02:19 |
Peacock |
scifi was something 20 years ago, now it's just action/pron lol |
| 02:20 |
Enke |
yep. |
| 02:23 |
Mossmanikin |
I always have been interested in scifi, but I'm beginning to really like it now it's out :D |
| 02:25 |
Peacock |
well even TNG was better than VOY, not saying VOY is bad, but they recycled alot of conceptes from the previous 2 series |
| 02:26 |
Peacock |
thought that has alot to do with Gene Roddenberry dying in the middle of TNG |
| 02:27 |
Enke |
Yeah... |
| 02:27 |
Peacock |
the science-y stuff died with roddenberry and it became alot more political/dark |
| 02:27 |
Mossmanikin |
Of course: too much is too much. But I find recycling in stories very important |
| 02:28 |
Peacock |
cuz honestly Picard had a hardon for the prime directive and the other captains made it a point of pride to bend it |
| 02:28 |
Peacock |
yeah there was too much star trek |
| 02:29 |
Peacock |
TNG hadn't finished before DS9 started, and VOY started before DS9 finished, and ENT was a near-failure |
| 02:29 |
Peacock |
if they had spaced it out more they could have "regrouped" for ideas and not have fans sick of the same stories |
| 02:31 |
Enke |
Yeah, they kinda milked it for cash. |
| 02:32 |
Peacock |
well thats why rick berman and brannon braga aren't in charge anymore :P |
| 02:32 |
Peacock |
not saying JJ's story make any more sense, but at least it's different :P |
| 02:34 |
Enke |
Damn timeouts.. |
| 02:37 |
Mossmanikin |
K, folks,have a good time, need some sleep, bye, later |
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thefamilygrog66 |
Howdy folks |
| 03:00 |
VanessaE |
hey grog |
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Peacock |
Groooooooooooooooooog! |
| 03:12 |
xn--qei`us |
I'm having an error in Minetest. I can't seem to find any robots. Every good game has robots. Where are they? |
| 03:12 |
Peacock |
the robots are on the irc channel :P |
| 03:12 |
xn--qei`us |
Fair enough. |
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thefamilygrog66 |
You, Robot? |
| 03:13 |
Peacock |
i'm a gay welsh aborginese bot |
| 03:13 |
xn--qei`us |
No, it was just a reference to a post I saw ages ago, but it got deleted. |
| 03:13 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Say that five times quickly. |
| 03:14 |
xn--qei`us |
A post on the forum, I mean. |
| 03:14 |
xn--qei`us |
(This is 0gb.us, by the way.) |
| 03:14 |
Peacock |
that's to be expected, half the forums' participants are now moderators :P with plans for the remaining 1/4 to be upgraded |
| 03:15 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Why aren't you a moderator yet, mauvebic? |
| 03:15 |
Peacock |
because i'm a pain in the ass :P |
| 03:15 |
Peacock |
and rarely serious :P |
| 03:16 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Haha |
| 03:16 |
Peacock |
and don't mind being offensive :P lol |
| 03:16 |
Peacock |
besides if they made me moderator, i'd insist on my forum title saying "Queen of Summertime" |
| 03:16 |
xn--qei`us |
I'm considering adding a few extra names to my account. I'm trying out this one, seeing if it fits me. Or rather, if this name format fits me. This isn't one of the names I actually plan to group, in case someone tries stealing my name before I decide. |
| 03:17 |
thefamilygrog66 |
You guys get hit by any ice storm over there? |
| 03:17 |
Peacock |
naw just a snowstorm in QC |
| 03:17 |
VanessaE |
nothing here in W. NC but some rain :) |
| 03:17 |
xn--qei`us |
Ice storm? That doesn't sound any fun. |
| 03:17 |
Peacock |
my balls were last seen around Dunkirk (retreating) last i went to the liquor store |
| 03:17 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: froze them off? |
| 03:18 |
Peacock |
yeah :( |
| 03:18 |
thefamilygrog66 |
It's pretty gross here, and yet beautiful - ice storm paradox... |
| 03:18 |
Peacock |
thank god i live downtown eventhough it's a very small city, power doesn't go out here |
| 03:18 |
thefamilygrog66 |
My power's remained on, anyway |
| 03:18 |
Peacock |
(i got 2 or 3 holiday meals in the freezer) |
| 03:19 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I figure I can bbq , if necessary! |
| 03:19 |
Peacock |
there's too much snow on my balcony :P |
| 03:19 |
xn--qei`us |
Ugh, I'd hate to be without power. I'd feel so cut off. Not to mention the fridge/freezer issue. |
| 03:19 |
Peacock |
and the lack of BBQ causes some slight technical difficulties too |
| 03:19 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Haha, yes |
| 03:20 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I feel a bit better about the whole power thing, living in the city. |
| 03:21 |
Peacock |
seriously, i've lived in the sticks most of my life |
| 03:21 |
Peacock |
for what i earn, i either get the sticks of a big city, or downtown of a small city :P |
| 03:21 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Though I did have a nice wood stove at my last house. |
| 03:21 |
Peacock |
these days you can't even get a wood stove installed |
| 03:22 |
Peacock |
not without some leftist fuck telling you it's bad lol |
| 03:22 |
thefamilygrog66 |
What do you mean? |
| 03:22 |
Peacock |
pollution :P |
| 03:22 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Hey now, I resemble said leftist fuck |
| 03:23 |
Peacock |
resemble is fine, it means you still have common sense built-in :P |
| 03:23 |
thefamilygrog66 |
But wood is renewable, so there |
| 03:23 |
Peacock |
yeah but depending on the type of stove, it might be illegal |
| 03:23 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Nonsense |
| 03:23 |
Peacock |
example, you can't get an old-school wood-stove installed (in a relatively big city) |
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| 03:24 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Hey megaf |
| 03:24 |
^`us |
Hey, Megaf! |
| 03:24 |
Megaf |
hi |
| 03:24 |
Peacock |
well that could just be Quebec, we're more leftist than the ROC lol |
| 03:24 |
Megaf |
Hi all |
| 03:25 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I dunno, your premier sure ain't |
| 03:25 |
Peacock |
Marois? she's hella leftist |
| 03:25 |
Peacock |
almost downgrade credit rating? No problem! |
| 03:26 |
thefamilygrog66 |
So far left, she's a rightwing fascist |
| 03:26 |
Peacock |
worries the fuck out of me, thats why i vote CAQ (as in, suck my CAQ...PQ!) |
| 03:26 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Full circle, baby |
| 03:26 |
Peacock |
what because of that charter thing? |
| 03:26 |
Megaf |
Going to sleep already. Good night! |
| 03:27 |
Peacock |
considering Ontario (London, Ont) exports terrorists to the 3rd world, seems all of Canada could use such a charter |
| 03:27 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Yeah, that was a bit misguided. And I'm saying that as an atheist. |
| 03:28 |
Peacock |
i think it's proper, in a secular society there's no room for religion in the public sphere, keep it private |
| 03:28 |
Peacock |
we're not denying anyone's right to practice, just keep it at home, like sex lol |
| 03:28 |
^`us |
Good night! |
| 03:29 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Unfortunately, some religions have dress codes, which make what you describe impossible. |
| 03:30 |
Peacock |
in any case, Europe is a perfect example, they've already stated as much that multiculturalism is a failure, it's just that in Canada we're always 10 years behind the times |
| 03:30 |
^`us |
Yeah, dress and dietary codes. |
| 03:30 |
Peacock |
well if your religion has a dress code, there are countries where such a religion is state-sanctionned |
| 03:31 |
ShadowNinja |
##politics? ##religion? |
| 03:31 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Yeah, fuck the Amish and their damned beards |
| 03:31 |
^`us |
My religion eats the souls of small children. I can't just not eat when I'm at work. |
| 03:31 |
Peacock |
the difference between Quebec and the ROC is that in Quebec the Catholic church ran the show up until the 60's, and we know better than to let any religion ever have that much power again |
| 03:32 |
ShadowNinja |
thefamilygrog66: ? |
| 03:32 |
thefamilygrog66 |
There's a big difference between power and respect, though. |
| 03:32 |
^`us |
I tried to grow a beard. But no, my hair didn't get long enough. |
| 03:33 |
thefamilygrog66 |
</sarcasm> ShadowNinja |
| 03:33 |
Peacock |
well in Quebec after the abuses such as the Duplessis Orphans, we decided religions didn't deserve any more recognition than other groups |
| 03:33 |
^`us |
That's a good way to look at them: as the same as other interest groups. |
| 03:34 |
Peacock |
you do know right that the catholic church stole and & sold babies, declared illegitimate children insane for the $, etc.? |
| 03:34 |
Peacock |
why would we trust any other church after that? |
| 03:34 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Except that now in Quebec, folks who work for the public service cannot wear any religious garb, which is ridiculous. |
| 03:35 |
Peacock |
if you say so, but it's no more ridiculous than Chineses businesses having to keep signs in English, which is a bylaw in certain Toronto neighbourhoods |
| 03:35 |
Peacock |
(the ones with the most asians) |
| 03:35 |
ShadowNinja |
Peacock: ... And you have proof that the church officually did this? (someone in the church doing it does not mean that the church agrees) |
| 03:36 |
Peacock |
there's a graveyard in the city that both the church and the gov't dont want dug up |
| 03:36 |
ShadowNinja |
... |
| 03:36 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Bill 101, speaking of stupid sign laws. And Quebec. |
| 03:36 |
Peacock |
well before bill 101, anglos in Montreal told us to "speak White" |
| 03:37 |
thefamilygrog66 |
All of them told you that. Sounds legit. |
| 03:37 |
Peacock |
yeah most of them did |
| 03:37 |
^`us |
I don't trust churches, but I also don't trust most interest groups. SO same thing to me, really. |
| 03:37 |
Peacock |
the few remaining still do |
| 03:37 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Hmmm, my bullshit detector is beeping. |
| 03:38 |
^`us |
*So |
| 03:38 |
Peacock |
im even surprised you give a shit, we can run our on affairs how we want, and if our anglos aren't happy, they can join you, but then, their house would be 1/2 the size and their food bill twice as much |
| 03:39 |
Peacock |
which is why they don't leave |
| 03:39 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I grew up in Ottawa... |
| 03:39 |
Peacock |
Ottawa ain't Quebec |
| 03:39 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Look at a map! |
| 03:40 |
Peacock |
and i grew up in Toronto, Montreal |
| 03:40 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I spent a lot of my formative years in Hull, etc. |
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| 03:41 |
Peacock |
well TO ain't close to Quebec, and Montreal ain't close to Ontario, and if i had to chose, i'd still chose Quebec |
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| 03:41 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I.e. right across the bridge from downtown ottawa. |
| 03:41 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Moving on.... |
| 03:42 |
Peacock |
sucks but seperation is coming either way |
| 03:43 |
Peacock |
just like Catalonia and Northern Ireland |
| 03:43 |
Peacock |
(or Scotland) |
| 03:43 |
thefamilygrog66 |
That'll work out well |
| 03:44 |
Peacock |
well the ROC is already well on the way to becoming the 51st American state, just keep voting for Harper |
| 03:45 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I'm a commie, remember? Haha |
| 03:45 |
Peacock |
unfortunately most of your fellow Canadians seem to be drifting in the other direction, you might like Quebec more :P |
| 03:47 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Nah, I have faith, hehehe |
| 03:47 |
Peacock |
dunno, as much as i'd like to believe in the liberals, Trudeau seems like a complete muppet |
| 03:47 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Also, I love playing shows in Montreal. |
| 03:48 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Temporary measures, I guess. |
| 03:48 |
Peacock |
i love Montreal too :P i only left it because of too much partying lol |
| 03:48 |
thefamilygrog66 |
No doubt |
| 03:49 |
Peacock |
seriously, both on the federal and provincial levels, we need new gov'ts lol |
| 03:49 |
^`us |
Probably in most countries, we need new governments. |
| 03:51 |
Peacock |
career politicians have that effect :P |
| 03:53 |
Enke |
Sorry I've been gone, problems with PuTTY |
| 03:54 |
Enke |
Oh, Hi familygrog |
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VanessaE |
thexyz: where is that apk of freeminer again? |
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thexyz |
ShadowNinja: there are a lot of changes, just compare the branch to minetest master |
| 04:25 |
thexyz |
ShadowNinja: abort is subbosed to be rewritten to exception raising |
| 04:26 |
thexyz |
!tell iqualfragile no, I do not support minetest with pulls anymore |
| 04:26 |
MinetestBot |
thexyz: I'll pass that on when iqualfragile is around |
| 04:26 |
thexyz |
VanessaE: dunno check the logs |
| 04:26 |
thexyz |
I'm from my phone now |
| 04:26 |
VanessaE |
o |
| 04:26 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 04:27 |
VanessaE |
http://a.pomf.se/lolvi.apk |
| 04:27 |
VanessaE |
this maybe? |
| 04:28 |
VanessaE |
(your filenames are...obscure) |
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| 04:29 |
Microchip |
Hi, thought maybe you guys could help me with an issue real fast. |
| 04:30 |
Microchip |
About Nodetopia. |
| 04:30 |
Enke |
Nope, I got nothin' |
| 04:31 |
Microchip |
haha |
| 04:31 |
Microchip |
Well, no matter what kind of keybindings I use, I just can't figure out how to move around. |
| 04:31 |
Microchip |
I don't fall either. |
| 04:32 |
Microchip |
Any ideas? |
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thexyz |
VanessaE: just build it from source |
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thexyz |
there's build.sh all you need to do is run it |
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VanessaE |
thexyz: yup, that link is it, or at least it is "a" build of fm anyway. doesn't run for me though. |
| 04:35 |
VanessaE |
oh ok |
| 04:37 |
Microchip |
VanessaE: do you have any idea why I can't move around in Nodetopia? |
| 04:38 |
VanessaE |
no clue, that's pilzadam's project |
| 04:39 |
Microchip |
Has it happened to anybody else, I mean, no matter the gamemode? |
| 04:40 |
Peacock |
nodetopia? how many forks are there |
| 04:40 |
VanessaE |
it's not a fork |
| 04:40 |
VanessaE |
that's just pilzadam's game |
| 04:40 |
VanessaE |
formerly named pilztest |
| 04:40 |
Peacock |
oh lol |
| 04:40 |
Peacock |
neither name is terribly original |
| 04:41 |
* Microchip |
bashes his head into the computer, and decides to try to build from source tomorrow |
| 04:41 |
Microchip |
Seeya. |
| 04:41 |
NakedFury |
there is a some obsession with having block, node, mine, craft in the name |
| 04:42 |
Peacock |
though germans are more known for their efficiency than their creativity :P |
| 04:47 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: I've never compiled anything on android before...even just unzipping the sources throws a number of operation-not-permitted errors regarding permissions (makes sense, FAT32 fs since it's an sd card). still safe to proceed? |
| 04:48 |
* VanessaE |
wonders if she even has enough storage to install a proper build toolchain :P ) |
| 04:53 |
thexyz |
wat are you doing |
| 04:53 |
Peacock |
many storage, much good, very doge |
| 04:54 |
thexyz |
you're supposed to compile on your pc |
| 04:54 |
VanessaE |
at the moment, just browsing through the fm 0.4.8.2 sources. |
| 04:54 |
thexyz |
also i really hope you read my messages and cloned the repo to /sdcard/freeminer |
| 04:54 |
VanessaE |
it is indeed on the sd card, though from the zip rather than a clone. |
| 04:55 |
VanessaE |
compiling on the PC makes far more sense though. |
| 04:55 |
thexyz |
before reporting that it doesn't work |
| 04:55 |
VanessaE |
who said it doesn't work? |
| 04:56 |
VanessaE |
I just said it threw a few permissions errors because of fat32. |
| 04:56 |
VanessaE |
this is of course perfectly normal. |
| 04:56 |
thexyz |
"doesn't run for me though" |
| 04:56 |
VanessaE |
oh, no that was the apk. |
| 04:57 |
VanessaE |
it crashes immediately on launch. |
| 04:58 |
thexyz |
meh |
| 04:58 |
Peacock |
much crash, such reboot, wow, good systemd |
| 04:58 |
* VanessaE |
looks at the sources. |
| 04:58 |
thexyz |
now how about you read my messages once again knowing was I was referring to? |
| 04:59 |
VanessaE |
huh? |
| 04:59 |
VanessaE |
did you miss the part where I said I was now browsing through the sources? |
| 05:00 |
VanessaE |
jeez |
| 05:00 |
Peacock |
very fail |
| 05:00 |
thexyz |
so you actually do have /sdcard/freeminer yet you can't get to the menu? |
| 05:00 |
thexyz |
you should attach adb lolcat output then |
| 05:00 |
Peacock |
lol lolcat |
| 05:02 |
VanessaE |
I will after I recompile. |
| 05:03 |
VanessaE |
vanessa rainbird:~/Minetest-related/freeminer-0.4.8.2$ find ./ -name build.sh |
| 05:03 |
VanessaE |
FAIL |
| 05:04 |
Peacock |
much fail, good filled (http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/581/567/bab.jpg) |
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| 05:07 |
thexyz |
you know you're doing something wrong |
| 05:07 |
thexyz |
are you sure you're on android branch of my github repo? |
| 05:07 |
thexyz |
what's the point of not providing logs until you recompile? |
| 05:07 |
thexyz |
please do it niw |
| 05:07 |
thexyz |
now* |
| 05:07 |
VanessaE |
nope, I'm not. didn't realize there was a separate branch. |
| 05:08 |
VanessaE |
wait, of YOUR git repo? |
| 05:08 |
VanessaE |
jeez |
| 05:08 |
VanessaE |
it's no wonder I didn't find it. |
| 05:08 |
VanessaE |
meh. interest: lost. |
| 05:09 |
thexyz |
lol |
| 05:09 |
VanessaE |
s/lost/losing |
| 05:09 |
VanessaE |
/ |
| 05:09 |
thexyz |
trying to run pre-release builds |
| 05:09 |
thexyz |
not following the instructions |
| 05:09 |
VanessaE |
what instructions?> |
| 05:09 |
thexyz |
not providing logs when asked to |
| 05:10 |
VanessaE |
thus far I have seen none |
| 05:10 |
VanessaE |
what logs? I haven't even had a chance to generate any yet |
| 05:10 |
thexyz |
being unable to read |
| 05:10 |
VanessaE |
jesus toes man, give a person a chance to do stuff. |
| 05:10 |
VanessaE |
I am not as fast as I used to be |
| 05:10 |
thexyz |
the instructions being to clone the android branch to /sdcard/freeminer of your android device |
| 05:10 |
* VanessaE |
facepalms |
| 05:11 |
VanessaE |
on the one hand, "clone to /foo on android", on the other hand "build on your PC".... |
| 05:11 |
VanessaE |
you don't see how this is confusing? |
| 05:12 |
thexyz |
shit |
| 05:13 |
thexyz |
i honestly don't like to explain simple things |
| 05:13 |
thexyz |
you should clone it to /sdcard/freeminer to be able to run it |
| 05:13 |
VanessaE |
simple to you when you've clearly done this a number of times. not to me when I'm still getting the hang of sideloading stuff to my tablet for crying out loud. |
| 05:14 |
thexyz |
you don't typically need to build it from sources |
| 05:14 |
thexyz |
got it now? |
| 05:14 |
thexyz |
yeah especially since I write this stuff every time I post a link to .apk |
| 05:14 |
thexyz |
yet people always say "doesn't werk halp" |
| 05:15 |
thexyz |
well does it work now? |
| 05:15 |
VanessaE |
wait what? |
| 05:15 |
VanessaE |
[12-22 23:34] <thexyz> VanessaE: just build it from source |
| 05:15 |
VanessaE |
wtf? |
| 05:15 |
VanessaE |
[12-23 00:14] <thexyz> you don't typically need to build it from sources |
| 05:15 |
VanessaE |
make up your G*ddamn mind |
| 05:15 |
VanessaE |
now that I've cloned it, I'll take a look at what I have. |
| 05:16 |
thexyz |
"just build it from source" if the link to pomf confuses you for some reason |
| 05:16 |
thexyz |
do you even read ;_; |
| 05:17 |
thexyz |
anyway gotta go, bye |
| 05:20 |
VanessaE |
bah, fuck this. |
| 05:21 |
Peacock |
*frak this |
| 05:23 |
VanessaE |
I'll just stick to playing this on the PC. ALl I wanted to do was a quick 30 second test to see if it worked at all, not turn this into a two hour discussion |
| 05:23 |
Peacock |
would you be amenable to a three hour discussion? :P |
| 05:24 |
VanessaE |
no. :P |
| 05:25 |
Peacock |
as you know, i'm the Minister of Funny Walks |
| 05:25 |
VanessaE |
well considering you froze your balls off back in Dunkirk..... |
| 05:25 |
VanessaE |
;) |
| 05:26 |
Peacock |
im still waiting on the british navy for those |
| 05:26 |
Peacock |
apparently they're going through a work stoppage :/ |
| 05:27 |
Peacock |
of course, you've heard the symphony, The British Leyland Concerto - in four movements, all of them slow, with a four-hour tea-break in between. |
| 05:28 |
VanessaE |
not familiar with it |
| 05:29 |
Peacock |
U NO FAWLTY TOWERS? |
| 05:33 |
VanessaE |
? |
| 05:35 |
thexyz |
> getting upset about an internet discussion after not being able to read the installation instructions |
| 05:38 |
VanessaE |
too late, I already gave up on it for now. no binaries in either the git repo or the zip on the website, building from sources requires a dev environment I do not have on my PC (and am not inclined to install right now), and I don't have that logging tool at the moment either (also wasn't inclined to track down/install it at that moment) |
| 05:38 |
VanessaE |
sometimes I think you forget the concept of "a quick test" |
| 05:39 |
VanessaE |
(and no, the apk didn't even show the menu - just "sorry, $foo has stopped" as soon as I launched it) |
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thexyz |
BECAUSE YOU FUCKING SHOULD CLONE THE FUCKING REPO INTO /SDCARD/FREEMINER LIKE I FUCKING SAID |
| 06:08 |
thexyz |
SORRY FOR WRITING IN CAPS BUT THAT'S HOW IT IS |
| 06:08 |
thexyz |
LOL IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE I'M SHOUTING AT YOU |
| 06:14 |
thexyz |
also I don't need anyone to do such "quick tests" at the momebt |
| 06:14 |
thexyz |
so if you can't figure out how to run it please don't waste my and your time |
| 06:15 |
thexyz |
there's a reason I've only posted the link to this apk once or twice in chat |
| 06:15 |
thexyz |
not on forums |
| 06:15 |
thexyz |
if you still can't figure out why it doesn't worj |
| 06:15 |
thexyz |
try deleting builtin directory of minetest and see what happens |
| 06:16 |
thexyz |
also it for sure is totally your fault |
| 06:16 |
thexyz |
I write the instructions every time I post a link to apk |
| 06:16 |
thexyz |
if you fail to find them please don't even try |
| 06:17 |
thexyz |
on a side note, the development of android branch will continue after we merge enet to fm |
| 06:18 |
thexyz |
this means no mt compatibility after we release to google play |
| 06:18 |
thexyz |
have fun |
| 06:19 |
VanessaE |
jeez, rage much? |
| 06:20 |
VanessaE |
that quick test was not for you, it was purely for my own uses. |
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raffahacks |
Ne |
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raffahacks |
Megaf? |
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VanessaE |
guess not |
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raffahacks |
How to register nick |
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VanessaE |
/ns help register |
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VanessaE |
or /msg nickserv help register |
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raffahacks |
Thanks |
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JamesTait |
Good morning all; happy Festivus! :-D |
| 09:58 |
VanessaE |
Festivus for the rest of us, eh? :) |
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raffahacks |
Registered! |
| 09:59 |
JamesTait |
VanessaE, you know of this celebration? |
| 09:59 |
raffahacks |
Are u from frankfurt, vanessa? |
| 09:59 |
VanessaE |
JamesTait: only vaguely of its origins from Seinfeld |
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VanessaE |
raffahacks: nope. |
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JamesTait |
VanessaE, first time I've heard of it. Sounds fun though. |
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raffahacks |
Ok |
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VanessaE |
JamesTait: it's supposed to be entirely a joke :) |
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raffahacks |
What is festivus |
| 10:01 |
JamesTait |
VanessaE, which makes it even better. :-P |
| 10:01 |
VanessaE |
raffahacks: a gag holiday created within a TV series by a character that doesn't celebrate christmas, but I don't recall why |
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JamesTait |
VanessaE, raffahacks: http://www.daysoftheyear.com/days/festivus/ |
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raffahacks |
Thanks lol |
| 10:02 |
VanessaE |
heh |
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raffahacks |
Sorry, but you are the first woman coder I found on the web :) |
| 10:03 |
raffahacks |
There arent many |
| 10:04 |
VanessaE |
yes, we actually exist, imagine that :) |
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raffahacks |
Which languages do u program with |
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raffahacks |
Except lua |
| 10:05 |
VanessaE |
currently, just Lua. I've done BASIC, 6502 assembly, HTML if that counts, plenty of BASH, a bit of Python, a bit of javascript, Verilog, Lua, a touch of C++ |
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VanessaE |
hi |
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raffahacks |
:) |
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raffahacks |
The only problem of minetest is that it isnt optimised |
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raffahacks |
Optimized |
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raffahacks |
? |
| 10:10 |
VanessaE |
it's debatable |
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raffahacks |
I think someone has to build a minetest pocket for android because buildcraft is laggy |
| 10:10 |
VanessaE |
some will say it is not, some will say it is |
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raffahacks |
For me it's tooo heavy |
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raffahacks |
I know but it doesnt work on linux |
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raffahacks |
But it must! |
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raffahacks |
Its a linux nativa gane |
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raffahacks |
I think they must port it |
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thexyz |
VanessaE: have you managed to run it though? |
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VanessaE |
I gave up for now, I'll try again later when I can think and you are raging less. |
| 10:15 |
thexyz |
well it's hard for me to not rage |
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thexyz |
since I've told you multiple times the solution already |
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thexyz |
yet you always get the wrong idea of what I'm talking about |
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raffahacks |
Minutest classic has more functions |
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raffahacks |
More mods |
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thexyz |
it does? |
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raffahacks |
Can I run a light minetest on a 720 Mb ram celeron pc |
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raffahacks |
Thexyz: mods are the same but are prebuilt in |
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raffahacks |
For example mobs or TNT mod |
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VanessaE |
hah, I didn't even know those images still existed. |
| 10:23 |
raffahacks |
Right |
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raffahacks |
Then I think it doesn't manage well shadows |
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raffahacks |
Then I want console font for messages lol |
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raffahacks |
Shadowing |
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raffahacks |
The shadows are ugly |
| 10:26 |
raffahacks |
Worse than in minetest bigger brother |
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raffahacks |
Am I clear |
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raffahacks |
And someone must add creepers lol |
| 10:27 |
raffahacks |
Want creepers |
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raffahacks |
ButI think creeper mod may need TNT mood |
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raffahacks |
Mod |
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VanessaE |
john_minetest: well, you're certainly free to take those images and make a pull request with them |
| 10:29 |
VanessaE |
expect pilzadam to turn it down though |
| 10:29 |
VanessaE |
he doesn't like how formspec imagery works. |
| 10:29 |
VanessaE |
hey evergreen |
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raffahacks |
Is celeron 55 the admin |
| 10:31 |
VanessaE |
creepers are a minecraft thing, we don't need them. |
| 10:31 |
VanessaE |
and if you want them, add the mobf mod. |
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VanessaE |
it has a similar creature called a boombomb or something like that |
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raffahacks |
I love creepers |
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raffahacks |
Thanks for advice |
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raffahacks |
But monsters are essential |
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raffahacks |
Right |
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VanessaE |
current mob mods are still, sadly, very laggy because of the network code in minetest |
| 10:36 |
VanessaE |
this will eventually be fixed |
| 10:36 |
VanessaE |
but as it stands, it's unplayable |
| 10:36 |
VanessaE |
except in singleplayer |
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VanessaE |
not a chance, it's too big |
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VanessaE |
approaching 10 MB now |
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VanessaE |
fist thing's first, all this mishegas with the network code has to be worked out first. |
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VanessaE |
bbl, bed. |
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specing |
john_minetest: mob algos should be implemented in minetest itself |
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specing |
mob textures/data/whatever else should be in mods |
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thexyz |
are you sure mobs are laggy because of network code? |
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thexyz |
why did PA posted a mod https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3063 that Ive created? who's that ive by the way? |
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sfan5 |
*facepalm* https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=122845#p122845 |
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sfan5 |
and this one too: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=122842#p122842 |
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sfan5 |
>Some "root" thingies, never understood for what's that good, before I never had problems without a such thing |
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sfan5 |
>Now, I'm not even sure if Ubuntu is even better than WinXP... |
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specing |
It is not |
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specing |
sfan5: bad links |
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jin_xi |
painting mod now wtfpl (previously gpl) if anyone is interested. https://github.com/obneq/painting |
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PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
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thexyz |
jin_xi: you know that you can't just relicense mod from gpl to wtfpl? |
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thexyz |
well since I'm the only other contributor let's say that I'm fine with it |
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jin_xi |
i have asked you some time ago, you said its ok |
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jin_xi |
grep the logs ;) |
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jin_xi |
glad its still ok |
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thexyz |
ah well |
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jin_xi |
also i thought you didnt particularly like gpl anyway? do you have another suggestion for a license? your opinion as the only contributor has some weight here, as i clearly dont care anymore, but ill change it if you like |
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sfan5 |
specing: you need to login to view offtopic |
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MinetestBot |
iqualfragile: <thexyz> no, I do not support minetest with pulls anymore |
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sfan5 |
my pulseaudio broke :-( |
| 12:58 |
iqualfragile |
thexyz: that is indeed sad |
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jin_xi |
here: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-08-19#i_3272472 |
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iqualfragile |
sfan5: mine, too, kinda |
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iqualfragile |
im on debian stable atm |
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thexyz |
jin_xi: dunno, what's the point of relicensing it if no one develops it? |
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thexyz |
I'd go with MIT |
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jin_xi |
i chose WTFPL because it seems thats what "the community" prefers, but now that its WTFPL everyone who wants to develop it is free to use whatever license she sees fit |
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jin_xi |
you can relicence WTFPL to whatever you like, right? |
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thexyz |
yes |
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thexyz |
you can do anything with it |
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thexyz |
like remove copyrights and claim you're the one who wrote the code |
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jin_xi |
i dont care |
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thexyz |
because well there's nothing to remove |
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thexyz |
then fine |
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iqualfragile |
thexyz: why not? |
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markveidemanis |
Hello |
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iqualfragile |
hi markveidemanis |
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Rhy5 |
Hey hey! |
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markveidemanis |
Hi |
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Rhy5 |
Mark, long time no see bro. |
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markveidemanis |
Hi Rhy5 |
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markveidemanis |
Rhys? |
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Rhy5 |
That's my name |
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markveidemanis |
Is the 5 intentional; |
| 13:14 |
Rhy5 |
Well, long story |
| 13:14 |
markveidemanis |
Lots has changed |
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Rhy5 |
Mark, is your server still up man? |
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markveidemanis |
I now have a blog, my own web server, an irc network, a social network, a |
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* Jordach |
nose dives back into tekkit |
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markveidemanis |
217.35.229.154:30000 |
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Rhy5 |
I mean the old server, the one where we both keep on meeting on. The server were I built the football stadium? |
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markveidemanis |
... |
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Jordach |
you mean somethingorother.tv |
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Jordach |
i know that server's name |
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markveidemanis |
iL HAVE A RUMMAGE |
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Jordach |
but cannot bring it up |
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markveidemanis |
soz caps |
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Rhy5 |
Lol, Mark. |
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iqualfragile |
markveidemanis: why would you set up your own social network and irc server? |
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Rhy5 |
Have you seen my new profile pic? Like it? Or should I change back to Elmo. :) |
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markveidemanis |
I dont have it on my pc, i remember doing a backup online |
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Rhy5 |
I'm going on your server right now mate. |
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markveidemanis |
Irc experimental python server whose host i am too lazy to kill |
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markveidemanis |
The map is the official MarkTwain future server map |
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Rhy5 |
I see. :) |
| 13:18 |
Rhy5 |
Well, should we chat at your awesome server or what? |
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markveidemanis |
Privs need tweaking... |
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markveidemanis |
Oh yea, i got a better PC too :) |
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thexyz |
iqualfragile: why not what? |
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Rhy5 |
Well, let me whois to you here now, I've got some settings to speed up your server. :D |
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iqualfragile |
thexyz: why do you not continue creating pullrequests for minetest |
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markveidemanis |
I had some too but they have just ... vanished |
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thexyz |
iqualfragile: because it's a waste of time |
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Rhy5 |
I can help with that. |
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iqualfragile |
what makes you think so? |
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markveidemanis |
Hmm |
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thexyz |
I spend more time convincing everyone |
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markveidemanis |
No i had some |
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thexyz |
than actually coding stuff |
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markveidemanis |
I had a server on a kindle, i need to pull it off there... |
| 13:19 |
thexyz |
and in the end they aren't getting merged anyway |
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iqualfragile |
thexyz: the sad truth is that this is actually how software development works |
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thexyz |
iqualfragile: really? perhaps I know nothing about software development |
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markveidemanis |
the settings i had accumulated over a year... |
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thexyz |
iqualfragile: you know, usually people give you a, erm, task to work on |
| 13:20 |
iqualfragile |
yes, its a bit different in open source software, where you can basicly chosse your task |
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thexyz |
minetest development is too chaotic |
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thexyz |
because there's no leader(s) |
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thexyz |
so people can't decide |
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thexyz |
see, I want enet, sapier wants to tune current protocol |
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thexyz |
there's no man to decide what to do |
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thexyz |
anyway, what do you want from me? |
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iqualfragile |
thexyz: i would basicly want those performance fixes in minetest in case they were not implemented in the same hacky way prollers general performance fix was |
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thexyz |
iqualfragile: what do you find hacky about proller's fixes? |
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thexyz |
iqualfragile: the main "fix" is switch from internal tcp-over-udp implementation to enet |
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thexyz |
that's about network stuff |
| 13:26 |
thexyz |
then there are some proller's fixes |
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thexyz |
that probably are worth more |
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thexyz |
i.e. some tuning of how blocks are sent to clients |
| 13:27 |
thexyz |
I'm not too sure |
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iqualfragile |
i think that has been discussed enought, but i can repeat some arguments (beeing hacky) |
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thexyz |
iqualfragile: if you want those fixes implemented in minetest go to #minetest-dev and convince them |
| 13:27 |
thexyz |
I find those fixes fine |
| 13:27 |
thexyz |
I'm also not going to fix what's not broken |
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thexyz |
so if you find them hacky then go on and fix them |
| 13:28 |
iqualfragile |
the idea of these "fixes" was broken so there is no way to fix the fixes |
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iqualfragile |
the switch to enet is quite a big decision, dont you think |
| 13:29 |
iqualfragile |
it not only breaks backward compatibility completly, it allso remove ipv6 support |
| 13:29 |
thexyz |
fine, ipv6 support will be added at some time (before final merge to freeminer master) |
| 13:29 |
thexyz |
so what do you want from me then? |
| 13:29 |
iqualfragile |
on the other hand it does apparently improve performance a lot and offload some development effort to the enet devs |
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iqualfragile |
thexyz: how do you want to add ipv6 support? |
| 13:30 |
iqualfragile |
improve enet? |
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iqualfragile |
in that case one of the biggest contra-points against enet would be removed and there would be quite a chance of enet beeing used in minetest |
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thexyz |
iqualfragile: there already is a pull request into enet adding ipv6 |
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thexyz |
iqualfragile: then there's proller who can implement this and test |
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proller |
iqualfragile, but "broken" freeminer can handle 100+ players.. |
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proller |
minetest can ~10 |
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iqualfragile |
thexyz: in that case: great, then there is only one argument left: backward compatibility and its quite a big one, as minetest is in a linux environment and distributions (besider archlinx and gentoo) do not contain the latest released version |
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proller |
but it not broken! |
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iqualfragile |
proller: brb, answering that |
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Enke |
What's goin on? |
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thexyz |
iqualfragile: I don't care about backwards compatibility |
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thexyz |
in this particular case |
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thexyz |
Enke: developing! |
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Enke |
Joy! |
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Rhy5 |
Hi Adam |
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specing |
iqualfragile: isn't minetest still in beta? |
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Rhy5 |
Hmm? Minetest is 0.4.8. I don't think so. |
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iqualfragile |
specing: not realy |
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iqualfragile |
it is allready included in debian, debian does not include betas |
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iqualfragile |
thexyz: why not? (that is more or less the only thing where backwards compatibility matters) |
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* specing |
doesen't care about backward compat either |
| 14:00 |
specing |
:) |
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iqualfragile |
specing: which os are you using? |
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thexyz |
iqualfragile: because having enet and having backwards compatibility conflict with each other and I chose enet |
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iqualfragile |
thexyz: you mean to imply having good network performance and having enet conflict? |
| 14:06 |
iqualfragile |
sorry |
| 14:06 |
iqualfragile |
thexyz: you mean to imply having good network performance and having backward compatibility conflict? |
| 14:09 |
thexyz |
iqualfragile: no, I mean that having enet and having backwards compatibility conflict, like I said |
| 14:09 |
iqualfragile |
so using enet is a goal on its own? |
| 14:09 |
thexyz |
using enet is a way to achieve good network performance |
| 14:09 |
thexyz |
maybe there are other ways |
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thexyz |
this is the way that I chose |
| 14:10 |
thexyz |
sapier, for example, has decided to play with Minetest network code instead |
| 14:10 |
iqualfragile |
wouldnt it be more rational to choose a way which provides good network performance and still keeps backwards compatibility? |
| 14:11 |
thexyz |
feel free to do this then? |
| 14:11 |
thexyz |
I felt like improving Minetest network code would be too hard for me |
| 14:11 |
thexyz |
because I by no means am a specialist in network code stuff |
| 14:11 |
thexyz |
so I chose to use a solution which just works |
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iqualfragile |
thexyz: i think sapier is working on that right now, and has archived some sucsesses |
| 14:13 |
MinetestBot |
GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: Fix particle code ignoring return value of std::vector::erase(). Wat. a5377251e2 2013-12-23T06:11:53-08:00 http://git.io/axw10Q |
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specing |
iqualfragile: Gentoo |
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iqualfragile |
specing: see, thats the point |
| 14:18 |
iqualfragile |
a lot of people playing minetest are using ubuntu or debian or fedora |
| 14:18 |
specing |
so...? |
| 14:18 |
iqualfragile |
and none of these contain the latest version |
| 14:19 |
iqualfragile |
so they would be unable to join updated servers |
| 14:19 |
specing |
that is distro's problem |
| 14:19 |
specing |
not yours |
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specing |
Also, I'm noticing that most of the servers run GIT versions and that is NOT okay |
| 14:20 |
specing |
servers should run stable versions with the exception of testing/devel servers |
| 14:22 |
thexyz |
specing: that's another problem of Minetest |
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thexyz |
iqualfragile: yes, I heard this too, I don't believe that he'll be able to beat enet |
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thexyz |
iqualfragile: or at least reach the comparable performance |
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specing |
and when you get rid of this problem, you'll get rid of the breaking compat one |
| 14:22 |
iqualfragile |
why not? |
| 14:22 |
thexyz |
and just dropping enet in also helps us get rid of a lot of code |
| 14:22 |
thexyz |
anyway, why do you even care? |
| 14:23 |
thexyz |
I'm doing this for FM, not MT |
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iqualfragile |
specing: no, because you do not only put those features in a dev branch to play around with it, you plan on getting it mainlined |
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specing |
when you implement enet, bumb the version to 0.5, put a big red compat warning on the download page and that is it |
| 14:23 |
thexyz |
I'm fine with MT being incompatible to FM; I'm fine with MT not merging our stuff |
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iqualfragile |
thexyz: because it splits communities and development effort |
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specing |
thexyz: go ahead with it |
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iqualfragile |
john_minetest: i met him last summer, but forgot to ask |
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iqualfragile |
-.- |
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sfan5 |
and there is no way to transmit sounds over internet? |
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thexyz |
iqualfragile: i don't care |
| 14:34 |
thexyz |
pretty selfish, yeah |
| 14:35 |
iqualfragile |
in that case i cant even wish you best luck |
| 14:42 |
thexyz |
indeed |
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PilzAdam |
john_minetest, theres no spyware on that xbox |
| 15:00 |
PilzAdam |
not very realistic |
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VargaD |
Hi, minetest server (current dev probably older releases also affected) use a lot of CPU even in idle, I have found the problem |
| 15:34 |
phantombeta |
Hi |
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VargaD |
MutexedQueue implementation throws exception many times a second |
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VargaD |
it is very bad to use exception in control flow |
| 15:37 |
VargaD |
it just throws exception because a minimal timeout reached, and it throws many times |
| 15:39 |
VargaD |
MutexedQueue::pop_front shouldn't throw exception when the teimout reached |
| 15:47 |
thexyz |
VargaD: you probably should report this issue to #minetest-dev |
| 15:47 |
VargaD |
thanks, I didn't know that you have a separate dev channel |
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PilzAdam |
john_minetest, "Ask me here or in IRC if you want a new build." |
| 16:21 |
PilzAdam |
you havent asked anything |
| 16:23 |
Rhy5 |
I'll ask for john_minetest. PilzAdam: Could you make a new build for john_minetest please? Thanks. |
| 16:24 |
Rhy5 |
I'm still on 0.4.8-release. :O |
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zsoltisawesome |
!seen lordcirth |
| 16:25 |
MinetestBot |
zsoltisawesome: lordcirth was last seen at 2013-12-17 05:57:26 UTC on #minetest |
| 16:25 |
zsoltisawesome |
looks like hes on xmas break :D |
| 16:25 |
Rhy5 |
Mmmm... |
| 16:26 |
Rhy5 |
!seen Dan |
| 16:26 |
MinetestBot |
Rhy5: Sorry, I haven't seen dan around. |
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zsoltisawesome |
lol |
| 16:26 |
Rhy5 |
Ah. |
| 16:26 |
Rhy5 |
!seen Dan_Duncombe |
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MinetestBot |
Rhy5: Sorry, I haven't seen dan_duncombe around. |
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Rhy5 |
Gahhhhh |
| 16:26 |
Rhy5 |
!seen Dan_D |
| 16:26 |
MinetestBot |
Rhy5: dan_d was last seen at 2013-11-16 19:49:46 UTC on #minetest |
| 16:26 |
Rhy5 |
Right. |
| 16:26 |
zsoltisawesome |
woah |
| 16:26 |
zsoltisawesome |
quite a while ago |
| 16:26 |
Rhy5 |
You see... he got banned. |
| 16:27 |
* Jordach |
sighs |
| 16:27 |
Jordach |
been busy playing tekkit all day to get ideas for technic |
| 16:27 |
Rhy5 |
Jordach, just a question, have yah tried out any of my mods? :) |
| 16:27 |
Jordach |
nope |
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zsoltisawesome |
all day? shoot, my day is just starting! |
| 16:28 |
Rhy5 |
Makes alot of sense. |
| 16:28 |
Jordach |
i've spent more ores and resources into getting machines working |
| 16:28 |
Rhy5 |
Wow. :D |
| 16:28 |
Jordach |
i even have a machine that over time, will make bread from raw sunlight |
| 16:28 |
zsoltisawesome |
wow |
| 16:28 |
Rhy5 |
:O |
| 16:28 |
Jordach |
(internal note: get a mass fabricator) |
| 16:28 |
Rhy5 |
You've been working. |
| 16:28 |
Jordach |
i was doing it with Evergreen |
| 16:29 |
Rhy5 |
Does it seem strange that a 11 year old boy makes mods? |
| 16:29 |
Jordach |
if someone found my IP and connected to me, you'll be able to join my tekkit world |
| 16:30 |
* Rhy5 |
immediately hacks into Jordach's world. |
| 16:30 |
Rhy5 |
^^ |
| 16:30 |
zsoltisawesome |
lol |
| 16:30 |
* Rhy5 |
joins Jordach's game |
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Jordach |
6:30:41 [INFO] Stopping server |
| 16:30 |
Jordach |
jordachTeslaBolt:~/Desktop/server$ |
| 16:31 |
Rhy5 |
Like a boss |
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Jordach |
zsoltisawesome, give me time and patience, you'll get shit like this: http://imgur.com/a/UCq1s |
| 16:33 |
VanessaE |
...made with pipeworks |
| 16:33 |
Jordach |
close enough :) |
| 16:34 |
VanessaE |
(except mese filters are currently busted because I suck) |
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Enke |
Pipeworks! |
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zsoltisawesome |
they do?i though they didn't work? |
| 16:42 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 16:42 |
zsoltisawesome |
lol |
| 16:42 |
zsoltisawesome |
quote: VanessaE |
| 16:42 |
zsoltisawesome |
(except mese filters are currently busted because I suck) |
| 16:43 |
Jordach |
zsoltisawesome, quote: Dan_D |
| 16:43 |
VanessaE |
zsoltisawesome: in current pipeworks git HEAD, mese filters don't work and I've been too lazy to fix them :P |
| 16:43 |
Jordach |
</trollface> |
| 16:43 |
zsoltisawesome |
Damn Kiwi IRC |
| 16:43 |
zsoltisawesome |
VanessaE: ah |
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Jordach |
zsoltisawesome, get a real client |
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zsoltisawesome |
Jordach: get a real life |
| 16:44 |
Jordach |
zsoltisawesome, i'm actually doing well |
| 16:45 |
zsoltisawesome |
lol |
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thexyz |
PilzAdam: where can I find your branch with colored chat? |
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kaeza |
afternoons |
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kaeza |
hey john |
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Microchip |
Hi, |
| 17:00 |
Microchip |
.* |
| 17:00 |
Microchip |
PilzAdam, are you afk? |
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Microchip |
brb |
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Microchip |
There. Ubuntu :D |
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zsoltisawesome |
Microchip: What about Ubuntu? |
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Microchip |
Logged in. That's why I said brb. I logged into Ubuntu |
| 17:07 |
Calinou |
<zsoltisawesome> Jordach: get a real life |
| 17:07 |
Calinou |
please don't talk like that |
| 17:07 |
Calinou |
john_minetest, there's "font_size" I think? |
| 17:08 |
VanessaE |
john_minetest: just use my font. |
| 17:10 |
Microchip |
Wow, minetest takes awhile to compile |
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zsoltisawesome |
did Megaf get his mac version running? |
| 17:11 |
Microchip |
Don't know |
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zsoltisawesome |
woah |
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zsoltisawesome |
you got a speedy computer |
| 17:13 |
Microchip |
Who? |
| 17:13 |
zsoltisawesome |
john_minetest: |
| 17:14 |
zsoltisawesome |
what? |
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zsoltisawesome |
visiting for xmas? |
| 17:14 |
zsoltisawesome |
fun! |
| 17:14 |
Microchip |
o.O |
| 17:14 |
Microchip |
Wow |
| 17:14 |
Guest75774 |
Why's my name messed up? |
| 17:14 |
zsoltisawesome |
idk |
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Guest75774 |
WEll i got nodetopia working! |
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ILikePineapplePi |
hehe |
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Microchip__ |
There. |
| 17:17 |
Microchip__ |
Well Nodetopia works with 0.4.8-dev |
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Microchip__ |
Whoa! |
| 17:23 |
Microchip__ |
Waving leaves are awesome! |
| 17:25 |
Microchip__ |
Water too... Good job :) |
| 17:26 |
specing |
proller: did you do anything to the nuke mod? |
| 17:26 |
specing |
it doesen't seem to be able to craft 'hardcore iron tnt' |
| 17:27 |
proller |
on sky ? disabled because tooo many griefers |
| 17:27 |
specing |
yes |
| 17:27 |
specing |
damn :( |
| 17:28 |
ILikePineapplePi |
whats nodetopia? |
| 17:28 |
Microchip__ |
A gamemode |
| 17:28 |
Microchip__ |
More survival base |
| 17:28 |
Microchip__ |
based* |
| 17:28 |
ILikePineapplePi |
why is it not on the forum? |
| 17:28 |
Microchip__ |
Don't know. Search it on Github.com |
| 17:30 |
ILikePineapplePi |
i found it |
| 17:30 |
Microchip__ |
? |
| 17:30 |
zsoltisawesome |
?? |
| 17:30 |
Microchip__ |
O_O |
| 17:31 |
zsoltisawesome |
O_O_O |
| 17:33 |
* Microchip__ |
punches himself in the mouth |
| 17:34 |
zsoltisawesome |
why? |
| 17:34 |
Microchip__ |
Bored. |
| 17:34 |
Microchip__ |
;D |
| 17:34 |
* zsoltisawesome |
slaps Microchip__ around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:34 |
zsoltisawesome |
feel better? |
| 17:34 |
Microchip__ |
... ow xD |
| 17:35 |
* Microchip__ |
cooks and eats the trout |
| 17:35 |
zsoltisawesome |
you have a forum account? |
| 17:35 |
Microchip__ |
Yeah |
| 17:35 |
* Calinou |
takes Princess Twilight Sparkle away from zsoltisawesome |
| 17:35 |
VanessaE |
oh G*d is that stupid trout macro ever gonna die? |
| 17:35 |
zsoltisawesome |
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 17:35 |
Microchip__ |
Lol Vanessa |
| 17:36 |
zsoltisawesome |
VanessaE: it's hardcoded into most IRC clients |
| 17:36 |
VanessaE |
I doubt "most". |
| 17:36 |
Microchip__ |
How would you use it? |
| 17:36 |
zsoltisawesome |
use what? |
| 17:36 |
zsoltisawesome |
oh the slap? |
| 17:36 |
Microchip__ |
That macro trout thing... Is it a chat command? |
| 17:36 |
zsoltisawesome |
ya |
| 17:37 |
specing |
proller: water just dropepd and I fell to the rocks :/ |
| 17:37 |
zsoltisawesome |
./slap USER |
| 17:37 |
zsoltisawesome |
should work |
| 17:37 |
Microchip__ |
hm. not in Xchat for Ubuntu |
| 17:37 |
specing |
proller: somebody seems to have built spawn in |
| 17:37 |
zsoltisawesome |
hmm |
| 17:38 |
zsoltisawesome |
xchat is outdated |
| 17:38 |
Microchip__ |
eh... It works :P |
| 17:38 |
zsoltisawesome |
true |
| 17:39 |
Microchip__ |
help /m |
| 17:39 |
Microchip__ |
nvm.. |
| 17:39 |
Calinou |
but, it's unmaintained... it could have security issues. on top of that, Hexchat is more feautreful |
| 17:39 |
Microchip__ |
Is it in Ubuntu repositories? |
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| 17:40 |
Calinou |
no, you can add a PPA though |
| 17:40 |
Microchip__ |
ah. |
| 17:40 |
Calinou |
what ubuntu version do you use? |
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proller |
specing, /die many times |
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Microchip__ |
12.04 LTS |
| 17:41 |
zsoltisawesome |
lol me too |
| 17:42 |
Microchip__ |
Cool |
| 17:42 |
Calinou |
Microchip__, go to "Software Sources", then to "Other Software", click "Add" and add this line: |
| 17:42 |
Calinou |
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/gwendal-lebihan-dev/hexchat-stable/ubuntu precise main |
| 17:42 |
Calinou |
then, install the package "hexchat" |
| 17:43 |
Microchip__ |
ok |
| 17:43 |
zsoltisawesome |
Calinou: :D |
| 17:44 |
Microchip__ |
Add source, the button i mean, is grayed out |
| 17:45 |
zsoltisawesome |
Calinou: "Connected to server: adams.freenode.net Budapest, HU, EU" |
| 17:45 |
Calinou |
it's not for me... |
| 17:46 |
Microchip__ |
nvm |
| 17:46 |
Calinou |
normally you have "Add", "Edit" and "Delete" |
| 17:46 |
Microchip__ |
i didnt add "ubuntu precise main: |
| 17:46 |
Microchip__ |
to the end |
| 17:46 |
Calinou |
you have to add the whole line :) that's why it is called "APT line" |
| 17:46 |
Microchip__ |
haha yeah :) |
| 17:47 |
Microchip__ |
Except XChat only allows copy-paste of urls |
| 17:47 |
VanessaE |
Except XChat only allows copy-paste of urls |
| 17:47 |
VanessaE |
it does?> |
| 17:47 |
VanessaE |
seems to work for me |
| 17:47 |
Calinou |
you can add it through command line means: "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" or "gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list"... in this case, you add the APT line at the beginning of the file, then you save it, then you run "sudo apt-get update" |
| 17:47 |
Microchip__ |
Right-click menu i guess |
| 17:47 |
Calinou |
I just gave you the GUI way of adding repositories |
| 17:47 |
Microchip__ |
Yeah :P |
| 17:47 |
Microchip__ |
i love apt-get |
| 17:47 |
VanessaE |
highlight-ctrlC-ctrlV... |
| 17:47 |
* VanessaE |
shrugs |
| 17:48 |
zsoltisawesome |
lol |
| 17:48 |
Microchip__ |
ah... yes guess that would work VanessaE |
| 17:48 |
* Microchip__ |
feels like a noob now |
| 17:48 |
Microchip__ |
Loggin in through hexchat |
| 17:48 |
* zsoltisawesome |
pretends that he isn't offended by the term "noob" |
| 17:49 |
VanessaE |
good. |
| 17:49 |
VanessaE |
:P |
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microchip__ |
I think im in |
| 17:49 |
VanessaE |
nope |
| 17:49 |
VanessaE |
you're out :P |
| 17:49 |
microchip__ |
-.- ;) jk |
| 17:49 |
zsoltisawesome |
no, he's in between |
| 17:49 |
microchip__ |
ah... in the doorway |
| 17:50 |
zsoltisawesome |
lol |
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VanessaE |
well get in here and close the G*d damn door already |
| 17:50 |
VanessaE |
it's cold outside. |
| 17:50 |
zsoltisawesome |
lol |
| 17:50 |
microchip__ |
or halfway through a default:obsidian_glass window xD |
| 17:50 |
zsoltisawesome |
inded |
| 17:50 |
microchip__ |
yeah... indeed |
| 17:50 |
zsoltisawesome |
my imaginary cat froze |
| 17:51 |
microchip__ |
o.O |
| 17:51 |
zsoltisawesome |
:( |
| 17:51 |
zsoltisawesome |
lol |
| 17:51 |
Calinou |
microchip__, you're not a noob, if you're willing to learn ;) |
| 17:51 |
zsoltisawesome |
jk |
| 17:51 |
microchip__ |
haha Calinou, guess not :) |
| 17:51 |
zsoltisawesome |
Calinou: we were all noobs at one point :D |
| 17:51 |
* john_minetest |
puts his imaginary kitten on zsoltisawesome's head |
| 17:51 |
* zsoltisawesome |
pets it softly |
| 17:52 |
* zsoltisawesome |
sneezes |
| 17:52 |
microchip__ |
but not the same |
| 17:52 |
* zsoltisawesome |
sneezes again |
| 17:52 |
* microchip__ |
kicks the cat off of zsoltisawesome's head and gives him a tissur |
| 17:52 |
microchip__ |
tissue* |
| 17:52 |
* zsoltisawesome |
admits he has a cold |
| 17:52 |
microchip__ |
Don't want no boogers on my new Ubuntu install -.- |
| 17:52 |
zsoltisawesome |
lol |
| 17:53 |
microchip__ |
That stinks.. sick for Christmas |
| 17:53 |
zsoltisawesome |
ya |
| 17:53 |
zsoltisawesome |
i've had it for like 2 months now |
| 17:53 |
microchip__ |
:S |
| 17:54 |
zsoltisawesome |
it wont stop clinging to me |
| 17:54 |
Jordach |
you're all n00bs |
| 17:54 |
microchip__ |
I'll admit i don't get sick much. Not going to school does give some advantages lol |
| 17:54 |
microchip__ |
Why Jordach? |
| 17:54 |
zsoltisawesome |
i dont go school either |
| 17:54 |
Calinou |
zsoltisawesome, newbies* |
| 17:55 |
* zsoltisawesome |
goes to http://www.k12.com |
| 17:55 |
* Jordach |
prefers https://forum.minetest.net |
| 17:55 |
* microchip__ |
has the same teacher year after year after year for every class :S |
| 17:56 |
zsoltisawesome |
that sucks |
| 17:56 |
zsoltisawesome |
i get new techers every year |
| 17:56 |
microchip__ |
haha. My teacher is my mother... good and bad at the same time XD |
| 17:56 |
Calinou |
beware of the links you paste |
| 17:57 |
Jordach |
because one might lead to a disabled safesearch on ponies |
| 17:57 |
zsoltisawesome |
Calinou: beware of the beware-of-the-links-you-paste monster |
| 17:57 |
microchip__ |
XD |
| 17:57 |
zsoltisawesome |
Jordach: LOL |
| 17:58 |
microchip__ |
Well you'll be OK using google |
| 17:58 |
Jordach |
zsoltisawesome, be EXTREMELY CAREFUL with certain words, ESP. with well known franchies |
| 17:58 |
microchip__ |
Cuz you can't disable safesearch on image searches. |
| 17:58 |
Jordach |
franchises* |
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zsoltisawesome |
what say? |
| 18:00 |
microchip__ |
I have to go :/ brother has an orthodontist appointment |
| 18:00 |
microchip__ |
Bue |
| 18:00 |
zsoltisawesome |
darn |
| 18:00 |
microchip__ |
Bye* |
| 18:02 |
zsoltisawesome |
Calinou: i liked your fun fact the other day |
| 18:03 |
zsoltisawesome |
"fun fact: imageshack.us = images hack us" |
| 18:03 |
kaeza |
experts exchange |
| 18:04 |
zsoltisawesome |
what? |
| 18:04 |
kaeza |
(or pen island <.<) |
| 18:07 |
Calinou |
PermissionsEx! |
| 18:07 |
Calinou |
channel: #permissionsex @ espernet |
| 18:07 |
Calinou |
(that's a CraftBukkit plugin) |
| 18:07 |
zsoltisawesome |
lol |
| 18:10 |
zsoltisawesome |
:( |
| 18:10 |
zsoltisawesome |
Roblox is dieing a slow and painful death... :( |
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zsoltisawesome |
lol unaffiliated/marktwain |
| 18:12 |
markveidemanis |
test |
| 18:12 |
specing |
proller: can you put unified_inventory onto your server? |
| 18:12 |
markveidemanis |
Thats not my nick |
| 18:12 |
markveidemanis |
clear |
| 18:12 |
zsoltisawesome |
i know |
| 18:12 |
markveidemanis |
ffs |
| 18:12 |
zsoltisawesome |
its just funny |
| 18:12 |
markveidemanis |
I have 3 accounts, markveidemanis, marktwain, mtmt |
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MarkTwain |
http://marktest.co.uk Who likes the snow? |
| 18:13 |
proller |
specing, it already unified |
| 18:14 |
MarkTwain |
I need an article |
| 18:14 |
MarkTwain |
Then you have JS off |
| 18:14 |
Jordach |
MarkTwain, what did we all say about the spamming |
| 18:14 |
zsoltisawesome |
no snow here too |
| 18:14 |
MarkTwain |
http://marktest.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/jetpack/modules/holiday-snow/snowstorm.js?ver=1.43.20111201 |
| 18:14 |
MarkTwain |
Its there" |
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Guest48915 |
I have uno momente |
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microchip__ |
There |
| 18:18 |
microchip__ |
I think i'll change my username to madprogrammi |
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madprogrammi |
there |
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specing |
proller: it isnt |
| 18:20 |
specing |
wait, there is |
| 18:20 |
specing |
so how come I still see the old inventory? |
| 18:20 |
proller |
strange, i have new |
| 18:20 |
specing |
Oh wait |
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madprogrammi |
specing, maybe cache? |
| 18:20 |
specing |
I do see new |
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specing |
nwm then |
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specing |
it seems I only had to die to get new |
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madprogrammi |
oops. gtg. wont be getting on for awhile (now) XD |
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zsoltisawesome |
anyone have a RUN_IN_PLACE that runs on ubuntu 64bit? |
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zsoltisawesome |
that they would be willing to share |
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Jordach |
zsoltisawesome, the github instructions are fucking simple |
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zsoltisawesome |
they dont fucking work |
| 18:23 |
Jordach |
they fucking do |
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VanessaE |
they work for me, and I run *buntu. |
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zsoltisawesome |
well then fuck livecd's |
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Jordach |
well there you go |
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Jordach |
install the fucking thing then |
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VanessaE |
why are you trying to build using a livecd? |
| 18:24 |
VanessaE |
you can't do that. |
| 18:24 |
VanessaE |
livecd's aren't meant for that. |
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zsoltisawesome |
ya |
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zsoltisawesome |
Jordach, VanessaE: http://mlfw.info/f/5582/ |
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Jordach |
zsoltisawesome, look at all the !kicks zsoltisawesome i give |
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zsoltisawesome |
http://mlfw.info/f/8763/ |
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* Jordach |
just doesn't give a fuck |
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zsoltisawesome |
Jordach: http://mlfw.info/f/2093/ |
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MarkTwain |
I need an article on Minetest servers for my website |
| 18:51 |
MarkTwain |
Would anyone like to advertise their server/mod/game/texture pack |
| 18:52 |
Enke |
MarkTwain: You could give a list of major servers and a breif description of each. |
| 18:52 |
MarkTwain |
Hmm... |
| 18:52 |
MarkTwain |
How about i make a form to submit servers and make it available |
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zsoltisawesome |
might be your computer |
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Edelwin |
build it yourself :p |
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Jordach |
zsoltisawesome, it would be the same for others: a windows binary is a windows binary |
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Jordach |
if the original he copied is busted, others will be the same |
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zsoltisawesome |
no shit |
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* Jordach |
calls definite bullshit |
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zsoltisawesome |
+1 |
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Jordach |
i've successfully built minetest-classic in MSVC 2010 |
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* zsoltisawesome |
calls the police |
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thexyz |
can I stop minetest from sending chat message from register_on_chat_message callback or some other way? |
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zsoltisawesome |
john_minetest: use mingw with cmake |
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kaeza |
thexyz, return true |
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thexyz |
kaeza: doesn't work |
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thexyz |
also nothing about this in the docs |
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kaeza |
server.cpp:2564 |
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thexyz |
uhh |
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kaeza |
well, not in the docs, yes :P |
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specing |
proller: naughty you, disabling stuff with "unknown item" :P |
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thexyz |
ah |
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zsoltisawesome |
john_minetest: strange |
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thexyz |
kaeza: right, it'll display on the client anyway |
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thexyz |
if I got this right |
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proller |
need to make unobtanium, located in hell, in bottom 100 blocks, where obsidian mets ;) |
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kaeza |
thexyz, >RUN_CALLBACKS_MODE_OR_SC |
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MarkTwain |
http://marktest.co.uk/form/ |
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kaeza |
so I guess it shows anyway :/ |
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kaeza |
why isn't that one MODE_FIRST? |
| 19:05 |
Jordach |
remind me at some point to attach that nick to my account ;) |
| 19:05 |
Jordach |
and enforce login timer >:) |
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thexyz |
http://i.imgur.com/MHreKYc.png |
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VanessaE |
bbl |
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Enke |
Neat little colored chat test. |
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kaeza |
thexyz, they show for you, but not for anyone else |
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thexyz |
I know |
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kaeza |
ah well, I misread that |
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kaeza |
you want it not to show to the sender? |
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thexyz |
yes |
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specing |
proller: does your server have hostile bots? |
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proller |
specing, mobs? yes, mobs and mobf mods installed |
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proller |
most of them live in caves |
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specing |
proller: then they are *very* rare |
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proller |
try to find cave: (-50, -50, -50) - lot of live here |
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proller |
via teleporters |
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Edelwin |
:) |
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specing |
proller: there is a mod that enables you to pick up stuff just by walking over them |
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specing |
it would be cool to have |
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proller |
good idea |
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specing |
Man that cavern is HUUUGEEE |
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Edelwin |
x) |
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specing |
no seiously, it is *alteast* 200 * 200 * 200 blocks |
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specing |
proller: Im at -50, -50, -50 |
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specing |
Its one huge cavern |
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specing |
seriously |
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specing |
how did you make this? |
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specing |
super nukes? |
| 20:35 |
proller |
yes |
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proller |
lot of hardcore_mese_tnt |
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phantombeta |
Hi |
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zsoltisawesome |
hi |
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zsoltisawesome |
proller: http://mlfw.info/f/5129/ |
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proller |
? |
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zsoltisawesome |
just a joke |
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phantombeta |
How's it going? |
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specing |
proller: LOL, I founf 973 mese TNT |
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zsoltisawesome |
<proller> lot of hardcore_mese_tnt |
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zsoltisawesome |
^ thats why |
| 20:43 |
ShadowNinja |
Hardcore mese TNT? :-( Last I checked those used set_node, made small holes, and had bad physics. |
| 20:44 |
proller |
but FM is optimized and ^^ +-works ;) |
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zsoltisawesome |
john_minetest: LOL |
| 20:45 |
proller |
we need in goood tnt mod, with protection, dropping digged items, fast, .... |
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zsoltisawesome |
john_minetest: I personally prefer this one: http://mlfw.info/f/3529/ |
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proller |
ShadowNinja, we have much faster setnode ;_ |
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proller |
;) |
| 20:51 |
ShadowNinja |
proller: It doesn't and won't exist, all those features slow it down. And I believe MC even kills your framerate during that. |
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ShadowNinja |
proller: Really? How? |
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proller |
remove useless shit |
| 20:53 |
ShadowNinja |
Oh, well that's a very good description... |
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proller |
if make cube holes with tnt - possible to remove 1 level of nodes per step, and make 100^3+ holes (not instant) |
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zsoltisawesome |
im back all; |
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ShadowNinja |
I can remove 256^3 nodes in under a minute with my mod. |
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proller |
without dropping and maybe moving chests its useless |
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specing |
proller: wtf, shutting down without a warning? |
| 21:14 |
proller |
yes |
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proller |
HARDCOREEEE |
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* specing |
slaps proller |
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proller |
join |
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Edelwin |
:) |
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specing |
proller: item pickups? |
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proller |
today superspeed update online! |
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* sfan5 |
puts a kitten on harrison's head |
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* zsoltisawesome |
waves to sfan5 |
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harrison |
ow |
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harrison |
the needlesharp claws are hurting my scalp |
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* zsoltisawesome |
shoots the kitten |
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proller |
what tnt mod now the best? |
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ShadowNinja |
proller: Depends what you mean. If you want fancy things then try PilzAdam's mod. (Although it makes rather square holes...) |
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specing |
proller: furnaces are funny |
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proller |
need 2-3 types of tnt with small, meduim and big ranges |
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specing |
proller: they dont show progress at all |
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proller |
+ dropping + protection, and must be fast |
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proller |
PilzAdam's tnt make only one small hole |
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PilzAdam |
big holes with dropping makes it slow |
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proller |
-> timer'ed step by step explosion |
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PilzAdam |
yea, the tnt explodes and 10 minutes later its finished |
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PilzAdam |
you just cant spawn more than 49 objects per block |
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PilzAdam |
my mod spawns 5*5*5 * 1/3 objects per explosion |
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proller |
maybe spawn only 10% of dropped |
| 21:54 |
proller |
10 steps -> 10x10x10 hole |
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proller |
and 49 limit is configurable |
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specing |
proller: How about drop in stacks of 99? |
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specing |
so theres little drops, but those are efficient |
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specing |
proller: look at the workers mod |
| 22:13 |
proller |
can drop up to 64000+ |
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proller |
in one stack |
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ShadowNinja |
65535 or so. |
| 22:24 |
ShadowNinja |
But it should drop it in stack_max stacks. The technic chainsaw does this, although in a ugly way. |
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FreeFull |
Minecraft consolidates smaller stack into larger ones if they are close together |
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zsoltisawesome |
if you tell chanserv to op you, does it stay like that? |
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zsoltisawesome |
like every time you join you ar op |
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ShadowNinja |
zsoltisawesome: No, although you can set up auto-op. |
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zsoltisawesome |
how? |
| 22:56 |
ShadowNinja |
ChanServ flag +O, Limnoria capability #channel,autoOp, or similar. |
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zsoltisawesome |
Invalid command. Use /msg ChanServ help for a command listing. |
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ShadowNinja |
/cs help flags |
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zsoltisawesome |
oh |
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specing |
proller: but dropping 65536 in one stack kinda goes against that "max 99 in a stack" rule most items have |
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zsoltisawesome |
ShadowNinja: Thanks for the tip |
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zsoltisawesome |
who here plays http://www.nessbots.com? |
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Pentium44 |
hi |
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zsoltisawesome |
hi |
| 23:06 |
Pentium44 |
can someone give me some details on this error: |
| 23:07 |
Pentium44 |
https://pastee.org/9fshr |
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zsoltisawesome |
details: never run Minetest though Wine |
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Pentium44 |
does the same thing on windows >.> |
| 23:08 |
zsoltisawesome |
remember WINE stands for "WINE is not an emulator" |
| 23:08 |
Pentium44 |
and it was a cross compile |
| 23:08 |
zsoltisawesome |
well then |
| 23:08 |
Pentium44 |
john_minetest, any idea? |
| 23:09 |
zsoltisawesome |
john_minetest: you should try NessBots, its in javascript though XD |
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Pentium44 |
a friend was running linux |
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Pentium44 |
I know |
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Pentium44 |
I am making a binary for windows |
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Pentium44 |
this is not minetest >.> |
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Pentium44 |
its my fork |
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Pentium44 |
ok |
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Pentium44 |
ill just go try it |
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Pentium44 |
john_minetest |
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Pentium44 |
I just tried it on windows |
| 23:18 |
Pentium44 |
it does not work. |
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zsoltisawesome |
well, everyone have fun, i get to open my xmas presents tomorrow! |
| 23:18 |
Pentium44 |
zsoltisawesome, I have to wait till the day afte4r >.> |
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zsoltisawesome |
Pentium44: sux for ya, im hungarian, we do it a bit differently |
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zsoltisawesome |
but i have to bail so bye! |
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zsoltisawesome |
see u sometime in January! |
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