Time Nick Message 00:00 Peacock well i'd offer him a muslim bale, but they can't stop fighting eachother long enough to grow a crop XD 00:00 VanessaE lol 00:00 Mossmanikin Yeah, religion is fun 00:00 Peacock religion is like sex, it should be practised in private :P 00:01 Peacock or in swinger's clubs/churches 00:01 Mossmanikin Don't have anithing against sex on the streets 00:02 Peacock though when you consider how many catholic priests go for the little choir boys, the line between swinger's club and church tends to blur :P 00:02 VanessaE Mossmanikin: so THAT's why you keep walking in with the spray cans and stencils? 00:03 Mossmanikin VanessaE: who knows? 00:04 VanessaE of course if Tesla motors has their way, the strees WILL be sexy anyway (take note of their four models of electric cars...) 00:04 VanessaE streets* 00:04 Peacock the ones that catch fire? 00:04 VanessaE Peacock: um. don't. 00:04 VanessaE just, don't. 00:05 VanessaE the ones that catch fire IF YOU PIERCE THEM WITH A BALLISTIC PROJECTILE sure. :) 00:05 Mossmanikin I try to avoid commercials, don't watch tv 00:06 Peacock http://beta.slashdot.org/story/195819 00:06 VanessaE Mossmanikin: the joke was that, for reasons only those guys know, their cars are models S, X, E, and Y is already registered. rearrange as appropriate :) 00:06 Peacock slashdot seems to excuse alot of tesla fires, but i've read about 3-4 seperate incidents over the last months :P 00:08 PilzAdam https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1066 wat? 00:08 VanessaE there were 3. one guy hit a trailer hitch (the whole hitch, not just the ball) 00:08 Mossmanikin VanessaE: ah thanx, well joke ain't funny when explained :( 00:08 VanessaE one guy wrapped his around a tree 00:08 VanessaE the other, I don't remember 00:08 VanessaE oh, a concrete wall, wasn't it? 00:09 Peacock im talking about standalone fires, not shit that happens after a crash :P any car will catch fire after a crash, thats not news :P 00:10 Mossmanikin Think about all the nodes the entity hits... 00:10 VanessaE Peacock: there were none on record. 00:10 VanessaE all of the fires in question are the result of an accident. 00:11 VanessaE that's what the media seems to be leaving out 00:11 Peacock the article i posted was about a garage fire, unless they *crashed* into their garage, your argument is invalid :P 00:11 VanessaE meanwhile there were recalls of G*d knows how many erm..ford trucks was it? spontaneous fires while parked. 00:12 VanessaE *reads* 00:12 Mossmanikin Love how you censor God :D 00:12 VanessaE " Tesla says the fire was not caused by any part of the car nor its charging system, reports Reuters" 00:12 VanessaE your argument is invalid. 00:12 Peacock of course the manufacturer will deny problems with their car, the same way google and MS deny cooperating with the NSA, but you don't believe that either 00:12 VanessaE Mossmanikin: I'll explain that some other time. 00:13 VanessaE Peacock: so...got any evidence that it was the car or its charger? 00:13 Peacock i dont think i'll ever understand geeks :P they'll defend a company that produces shitty yet futuristic cars, but if an IT company produces shitty software, then it's the evils of proprietary :P 00:13 Mossmanikin VanessaE: no need to explain, but still interested 00:15 VanessaE Peacock: "shitty"... ever driven one? neither have I. but at least I give them a chance to do something good. 00:15 VanessaE hate on Elon Musk all you want for Paypal. Everyone does. 00:15 VanessaE but don't hate on him for Tesla. 00:15 Peacock i kinda view Tesla as the R&D aspect of electric cars, other companies (likely in other countries) will be the ones to reap the benefit 00:16 VanessaE an all-electric that can go 250 miles in a charge, can charge in 45 mins from a supercharger station, can have its battery swapped out in like, what was it, 5 mins? yes it all costs a fuckload of money, but the point is it exists NOW. 00:17 VanessaE cost aside, what's not to like? 00:17 Peacock depends how you produce your electricity, in Quebec we're mostly hydro dams, but in alot of places, it's coal 00:17 VanessaE yrep 00:17 VanessaE but even coal is cleaner than gasoline 00:18 VanessaE better to hgave one coal-fired plant powering a thousand electrics than a thousand gasoline-powered cars running around 00:18 Peacock but then shifting the blame from your personal oil consumption to the power plant's coal consumption doesn't really make much of a difference to the environment 00:18 VanessaE -g 00:18 VanessaE look 00:18 VanessaE electricity is fungible. 00:18 Mossmanikin Finally a reason to mine more coal 00:18 VanessaE coal now if we have to use it 00:18 VanessaE nuclear when we can get rid of the NIMBYs 00:18 VanessaE fusion if that ever becomes viable 00:18 VanessaE wind/solar in the meanwhile wherever it makes sense 00:18 Peacock seriously, electric cars would make sense to me if we went mostly nuclear power 00:19 VanessaE electric cars don't give two shits where the power comes from - generate it any way you can. coal, nuke, solar, wind, tidal, I don't give a shit what but get the fuck off of using oil! 00:19 Peacock thats the thing, they're not more environmental if the local power plant uses the same old methods as your old car 00:20 VanessaE but they don't. 00:20 VanessaE the EPA sees to that rather strictly. 00:20 kaeza 175383256 AAA batteries 00:20 VanessaE even the dirtiest coal plant is cleaner than the cleanest petrol engines. 00:20 VanessaE kaeza: eh? 00:21 Peacock i dont think all the pollution in China is the result of cars lol 00:21 kaeza :| 00:21 kaeza nothing 00:21 VanessaE Peacock: actually a large percentage of it is, but China doesn't have the EPA there to stop them from polluting. 00:21 Peacock cars were much less fuel efficient in the 70's and we didn't have the smog china has today 00:21 VanessaE we can only clean our back yard and yell at the neighbors for theirs 00:23 VanessaE it's either we just yell at china for trashing the neighborhood whilst we keep our side of the fence clean, or we jump the fence, start cleaning up their yard, and send them the bill (with police to back up our claim - i.e. armed soldiers ) 00:23 VanessaE seeing as how we are already spread thin enough as it is, I don't see the latter happening. 00:23 VanessaE someone else is gonna have to take China to task over their pollutiobn 00:23 VanessaE pollution* 00:23 VanessaE we just do not have the resources :-/ 00:25 Jordach the nukes, the nukes 00:25 Jordach russians would gladly nuke em for us 00:26 Peacock well a one child policy for the entire world wouldn't hurt either :P 00:27 Peacock bring the pop. down to half a billion 00:27 Peacock god knows whoever's left will want a new ipad every year 00:27 VanessaE we don't need population control. 00:27 VanessaE we need CORRUPTION control. 00:27 Peacock lol yeah we do, we already consume way too much 00:27 VanessaE no 00:28 VanessaE we have 100 times the land area as people to fill it 00:28 VanessaE we have too much corruption in governments all over the world to efficiently USE it 00:28 VanessaE (for people, agriculture, power generation, etc) 00:28 Peacock you only use land? remind me again who has the best computer specs here? you think computer tech doesn't need precious minerals? 00:29 VanessaE and which country holds a monopoly on rare earths needed for that? 00:29 VanessaE China. 00:29 VanessaE and why? 00:29 VanessaE corruption and greed. 00:29 VanessaE come on man 00:29 VanessaE it's way simpler than you're letting yourself believe. 00:29 Peacock lol so you think your country would manage those resources better? 00:29 VanessaE those two words explain 90% of the problems this world faces today. 00:29 VanessaE no, quite the opposite 00:29 Peacock if the US had control of those resources and could sell even more tech, they would 00:30 VanessaE my country would manage them right into the ground, so to speak. 00:30 Peacock so why blame China when they're doing a better job of it? 00:30 VanessaE because they're doing just as bad a job as any other country 00:31 Peacock so you're solution would be what? more regulations that enrich the regulators as opposed to tech CEO's, how does that change anything? 00:31 VanessaE besides, 00:31 Peacock *your 00:31 VanessaE you forget yourself: 00:31 VanessaE China controls those redources 00:31 VanessaE DAMN IT 00:31 VanessaE CAN'T TYP 00:31 VanessaE china controls those resources because they are in chinese territory 00:32 Peacock Africa? 00:32 VanessaE you can't exactly just pick up that slice of earth and move it to US or European territory 00:33 VanessaE how would I know what needs done to fix the problem? I only know a problem exists, I don't have enough details of the problem to propose a solution. 00:33 VanessaE clearly, you don't either if you want to bring out the boogeyman of regulation 00:33 Peacock yeah, but you still consumer more computer products than most of us here, though you have no problem assigning blame elsewhere :P 00:34 Peacock *consume 00:34 VanessaE regulation is there to stop corporations from doing shit to harm people that they will definitely do if not told otherwise. 00:34 VanessaE you "consume" just as much as I do. 00:34 Peacock i wish i had your specs lol 00:34 VanessaE how many computers have you bought in your life? 00:34 Peacock but even working i can't find the budget for it 00:35 Peacock all the computers i have now doesn't compare to the rig you run your servers on lol 00:35 VanessaE rig? 00:35 VanessaE I run my servers on a VPS somewhere in Atlanta, GA. 00:36 Peacock you paid real money to run a minetest server? no wonder banks won't lend to you :P 00:36 VanessaE it has 1GB of RAM available to it, 8 2.6 GHz cores (that together, perform more like 2) 00:37 VanessaE I pay real money to run a website that also makes me a little money on the side. The minetest servers go along for the ride. 00:37 Peacock well with the specs you mention i'd expect a full shop and cart 00:37 Peacock many clients of mine have smaller specs and better sales 00:38 VanessaE the electronics stuff in my "Project" page makes actual, real cash money (not bitcoin or some other bullshit) and most months I turn a small profit. not much, but enough to cover the website expense. I moved to a VPS so I could take the servers off of my home PC and put them on the cloud where they belong. 00:38 VanessaE doesn't matter 00:39 VanessaE this is all bullshit anywatys 00:39 Peacock well if it makes enough to cover hosting, then it's a self-sufficient project but hardly worth the trouble if it doesn't bring real income 00:39 VanessaE what's all this got to do with pollution in china that's a direct result of lack of pollution regulations? 00:40 Peacock well the point was you consume the same as any other american, and yet complain about standards in china, which is a direct result of western consumption, seems a tad hypocritical to me 00:40 VanessaE if if costs less for joe to dump his cow shit in the river than it does to truck it to the waste treatment plant, and there's no law that syas he can't, you damn well better assume he'll dump it in the river. 00:40 VanessaE THAT is what regulations are fort. 00:40 VanessaE for* 00:41 Peacock well isn't that the point? it's cheaper to get shit in China so what does it matter what they're environmental standards are? if you really care you'll insist on buying shit made a country with real environmental standards 00:42 Peacock *their 00:42 VanessaE do I have a choice? 00:42 VanessaE is there ANYTHING made in America (or outside of china for that matter) anymore? 00:42 Mossmanikin religion/politics... 00:42 Peacock Mossmanikin economics :P 00:42 VanessaE you honestly think I can buy a PC, even a low end one at ridiculous prices, without a single component made in china? 00:43 Mossmanikin Peacock: don't see a contradiction :D 00:43 Peacock well when i see environmental types bitch about consumerism yet own new cars and new iphones, i tend to peg them for hypocrites. you can either be a consumer, or an environmentalist, you can't be both 00:44 VanessaE well? 00:44 Mossmanikin It's not black or white 00:44 VanessaE I'm waiting for an answer 00:45 Peacock i think americans have more consumer choices than we do in Canada, owing to the size of the market 00:45 Peacock and even then, i consume less than you 00:45 Peacock and i don't bitch about environmental standards lol 00:45 VanessaE I'm STILL waiting for an answer. 00:45 Peacock i think the more people feel guilty about something, the more they have to talk about saving that something 00:46 Peacock i already told you, you have more choices about where to buy your hardware than i do 00:46 Peacock now if you insist on low prices, obviously you're going to end up with chinese crap 00:46 VanessaE you honestly think I can buy a PC, even a low end one at ridiculous prices, (extra emphasis now) WITHOUT A SINGLE CHINESE-MADE COMPONENT? 00:47 VanessaE the answer is a solid, resounding, "no fucking way." 00:47 VanessaE no one makes such a thing. 00:47 VanessaE except china. 00:47 Peacock well you know that's fine, but don't pretend you care about the environment when you know damn well where your stuff comes from 00:47 PilzAdam bye 00:48 VanessaE ok so because I have no choice of where my shit comes from, automatically I don't care about the environment? 00:48 VanessaE nice non-sequitur there. 00:48 VanessaE you don't live here 00:48 Peacock with the internet you can buy shit from europe and have it shipped, and god knows they have higher standards about almost everything 00:48 VanessaE and where do you think those things are made? 00:48 VanessaE they're made in china 00:49 VanessaE made in Europe---from chinese parts. 00:49 VanessaE oh wait! Made in Europe -- from Italian boards -- ....populated with chinese chips. 00:50 VanessaE china is as ingrained into the world economy now as Japan was in the 80's 00:50 Peacock well maybe the problem is too many people thought like you, that all parts everywhere would come from the chepeast place on the earth, with the lowest standards, and from then on every other competitor died 00:51 VanessaE the Philippines, Mexico, etc were in other periods. 00:51 VanessaE it's just that it's China now. 00:51 VanessaE too many people WITH BILLIONS IN PURCHASING POWER thought "hey, let's go where it's cheap and they don't give two shits about the environment" 00:51 VanessaE as if I have any control over that! 00:52 VanessaE come on man 00:52 VanessaE use a bit of logic! 00:52 Enke What's going on? 00:52 VanessaE Enke: peacock is on another anti-american rant. 00:52 Peacock yeah well what happens when everyone goes where it's cheap, and no one thinks it's their personal responsibility to change those habits? 00:52 Enke anti-american rant about what? 00:53 VanessaE Peacock: people have a personal responsibility first to their own wallets and where that affects their families and their futures. if you lived here, you'd realize that too. 00:53 VanessaE so shut up. 00:53 Enke I am so lost... 00:53 Peacock so wallets 1st, environment 2nd, glad we cleared that up :-) it's as i thought 00:53 VanessaE enke: how supposedly it's all america's fault that china is this huge world polluter because of how much we buy from them while supposedly encouraging environmentally-unfriendly behavior. 00:54 VanessaE Peacock: empty wallet = death. clear enough? 00:54 Peacock thought the anti-american thing is invalid, i dislike the chinese more than i dislike americans, hell i even like americans more than europeans :P 00:54 Enke Hm. Seems like the logical idea would be that China is the reason that China is a world polluter. 00:54 VanessaE it is THAT fucked up in america now. 00:55 Enke Heck, outsourcing has probably helped America. 00:55 VanessaE enke: THANK YOU! 00:55 VanessaE finally someone who understand 00:55 VanessaE +s 00:55 Peacock if by anti-american you mean it's not america's fault that china is a world power now, then yeah i guess you could call it that way :P 00:55 VanessaE China is entirely at fault for their own pollution habits, and NO ONE ELSE> 00:56 VanessaE Peacock: how many people does America have? 00:56 VanessaE how many? 00:56 Peacock so if production had stayed in america, it would be america's fault instead? 00:56 VanessaE 2 billion? 4? 5? 00:56 VanessaE nbo. 00:56 VanessaE no. 00:56 Enke We get things for cheaper prices, while at the same time, we give other people in China jobs, and Americans who lost their jobs to outsourcing can find a new job where thy can probably do better anyways 00:56 VanessaE 350 million or so. 00:56 VanessaE how many people does china have? 00:56 VanessaE some 1.5B. 00:56 VanessaE do the math. 00:57 Enke Many people in business know that a good strategy to give people new jobs is to lay off some workers. 00:57 Peacock im at a loss to see the difference, china sells cheap crap to everyone, if production had stayed in america, fewer people could buy those same products, by your logic the environment would be better off, either way, the west consumes 00:58 VanessaE China's economy is almost entirely driven by China's OWN POPULATION. If america went into the shitheap tomorrow, china wouldn't feel it, 00:58 VanessaE there are another 5 billion people in the world china can and will sell to. 00:58 Enke Well, whether we like it or not, we are all consumers of air 00:58 Peacock China is hugely dependent on the US, probably the only reason there hasn't been a war between both countries 00:58 VanessaE China have to clean up their act. And only they can do that. 00:59 VanessaE they are 100% responsible for their pollution, and no one else. 00:59 Peacock and once China cleans up their act western companies will settle in other countries (like India among others) 00:59 Enke I think that China's economy would be damaged if America went down, but It probably wouldn't devestate them. 00:59 Mossmanikin Like that one about air 00:59 VanessaE no matter who funds their economy, it is ENTIRELY on their shoulders what they DO with those funds. 00:59 Peacock see vanessae's mentality is the western mentality: shift the blame for pollution onto the 3rd world, even though we consume the same things 01:00 VanessaE I will NOT be held responsible if I give Joe five bucks and he uses that to buy a gallon of gas to go torch some building. 01:00 Enke In the end, the fault of air pollution in China rests on the shoulders of China's population/government. 01:00 VanessaE NO! 01:00 VanessaE I DID NOT HOLD A GUN TO ANYONE'S HEAD! 01:00 VanessaE THEY CAN FIX THEIR OWN G*DDAMN PROBLEMS! 01:00 Peacock but you buy the same shit no matter where it's made 01:00 Enke Because it is beneficial to both of us 01:01 VanessaE Peacock: So do you. 01:01 VanessaE and you will continue to do so for the rest of your life. 01:01 Peacock i have a flat, not a house, i walk instead of drive, i have a 7yr old, and 1 yr old tower (cpu) 01:01 VanessaE so? 01:01 Enke If i buy a good made in china, I get the good I need at a lower price, and they get my money to continue to manufacture goods. 01:02 Peacock but you're supporting a country who by your own admission has bad standards 01:02 VanessaE a 1 year old PC? ONE year old? and this you consider to be old? 01:02 VanessaE and so are you. 01:02 Enke Peacock: Why do you walk? 01:02 Peacock the only difference is, i'm not full of shit about the environment 01:02 VanessaE I buy new PCs about every three years or so or when something breaks. 01:03 Enke In my family, we usually get a PC every 6-8 years. Difference is, we get the top end PC so they last longer. 01:03 VanessaE the basis of my current PC, after much parts swapping, is still about three years old. 01:03 Peacock i have a smaller impact on the environment, but i dont act like it's a big thing, whereas people with a bigger impact on the environment, are constantly telling me to consume less 01:03 Enke Honestly, most of the environmental stuff is BS. 01:04 VanessaE Peacock: I drive an old beat-up, leaky gas-guzzing 1992 cadillac deville. you know why? because I can't afford anything NEWER and BETTER. 01:04 VanessaE meanwhile, I cut my electricity usage in my house to the barebones. 01:04 Peacock but you have a house, and a car 01:05 VanessaE a house, that I RENT. 01:05 Peacock i have a flat, in my own two legs :P 01:05 Peacock whether you rent or buy, the house still needs as many resources to stay warm and lit 01:05 VanessaE (and I have a house because I got tired of noisy neighbors) 01:05 Enke Well goody goody gumdrops for you, Peacock. 01:05 Peacock so unless you have a full family, it's not very environmental 01:05 VanessaE two person family, plus two cats. 01:05 VanessaE and PRIVACY. 01:06 Peacock well i live in a block with 20~ flats, and i get enough privacy 01:06 Peacock bottom line, seems i more environmental than you are, even though you talk about it more :P 01:06 Peacock *i'm 01:06 VanessaE that's the difference between your area and mine. 01:07 VanessaE in america, flats are not very private. 01:07 VanessaE privacy is a joke here. 01:07 VanessaE so we have to make do. 01:07 Peacock dont they have walls in between units? 01:07 VanessaE of course they do. 01:07 VanessaE and about the PC, you said I buy more hardware than you....why is your PC newer than mine then? 01:07 VanessaE stop dodging my G*dddamn questions 01:07 Peacock the most annoying thing i have to put with is the downstairs bar with music on the weekends, but thats no different than some douche in the burbs throwing a party on the weekend 01:08 Peacock PCs? 01:08 Peacock my second to last tower was a P4 01:08 Peacock the newest one (bought a year ago) was to replace it 01:08 Peacock because, let's face it, the p4 can't run minetest efficiently 01:09 Peacock (despite claims of running on old hardware) 01:09 VanessaE mine's 2 or 3 years old, bought to replace one that, prior, was perfectly fine save for its slots being obsolete enough that I couldn't update the video card without a full upgrade. 01:09 VanessaE (in other words, I'd have kept the old machine if AGP hadn't gone obsolete) 01:09 Enke That makes sense. 01:10 VanessaE my current machine will keep running until it fails. only then will I replace it. 01:10 Peacock well most towers have either PCI + AGP or PCI-E slots 01:11 VanessaE it was PCI+AGP. now PCI+PCIe 01:11 Peacock though in my two years here, i never once got the impression that your server specs were VPS specs and not your personal specs :P 01:11 Peacock now that i know, i kinda wonder why you didn't save that cash to buy a more powerful tower to host your server at home (easier all around) 01:11 VanessaE I moved my minetest servers to a VPS a month and a half ago. The website moved with them, but has been in existence for ...years 01:12 VanessaE Peacock: five words: violation of terms of service. 01:12 Peacock i might be wrong, but you've been bragging about specs longer than a month 1/2 01:13 Peacock every time peopel compare specs, they mention you as being #1 01:13 VanessaE yeah, specs of my gaming machine, and I don't brag. those are for benchmark purposes. if I was gonna brag, I would have bought a much more powerful machine to brag about first. 01:13 Peacock *people 01:13 Peacock well if you're going to compare all my rigs (with the 1 new and 2 old) you might wanna include your gaming rig :P 01:14 Enke VanessaE: did you see thexyz's topic about super fast servers? 01:15 VanessaE I did not see it. 01:16 Peacock either way, im not saying having decent specs is bad, or that consumption is necessarily bad, but if people are going to insist on paying the lowest price possible, you shouldn't complain about the envrionmental standards of the place it comes from, it's disingenuous 01:16 Enke lemme dig up the link 01:16 VanessaE Peacock: at any rate, I don't buy hardware nearly as often as you think I do, nor nearly in as large a quantities either. and I absolutely do not support China's environmental policies, regardless of my purchasing decisions - I just know that no matter from whom I buy my components, *something* is gonna end up being made there. get your facts straight. 01:17 katyusha People are talking about politics? Without me here?! 01:17 katyusha Blasphemy 01:17 katyusha :p 01:17 Peacock well i do happen to know a few hardcore environmentalists, like i know vegans and free software advocates, and each of them know how to look up where their shit comes from and make decisions based on that 01:18 Enke https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8074 01:18 katyusha You can add another free software advocate to your list Peacock :-) 01:19 Enke Well where does their info come from? 01:19 Peacock i wouldn't know, i'm hardly political, im just a history and C&E buff 01:19 katyusha ixquick, duckduckgo, fsf, stallman can be a good reference too 01:20 katyusha it just takes some digging around 01:20 Peacock seeing people getting a hardon for one cause or another is enough to make me think i shouldn't get too invested in anything 01:20 Peacock hardons for causes lead to cognitive dissonance, cognitive dissonance leads to the dark side 01:21 Mossmanikin Welcome to the dark side 01:22 Peacock open source may be one such dark side :P but there are many positions in between that make more sense :P 01:23 Enke Well, everything in moderation. 01:23 Peacock exactly 01:24 Peacock i may care about the environment, but i won't pretend to care more than my actions show, that would be dishonest 01:24 Mossmanikin Yeah, but wouldn't want to miss some extremes here and there 01:24 Peacock well if you like extremism join the FSF :P 01:25 Mossmanikin :D 01:25 katyusha Hmm, I wonder if it's possible to run minetest on the Lemote 01:25 katyusha lol 01:25 Enke Yeah, that's a good way to do it. 01:25 Peacock Lemote? 01:25 Peacock !g lemote 01:25 MinetestBot Peacock: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemote 01:25 katyusha Stallman's laptop 01:26 Peacock stallman, does he load websites in puretext? 01:26 Peacock *doesn't 01:26 katyusha He uses an emailer program similar to wget 01:26 katyusha it requests a website then emails it back to him 01:26 katyusha so in a way yes 01:26 Peacock you might not want to follow RMS's lead :P he believes in not bathing, paedophilia and necrophilia after all :P 01:26 katyusha like it would take the webpage and send it to him 01:27 katyusha He's a good inspiration, but there are some rough edges 01:27 katyusha I personally don't think he should get the amount of disrespect he gets. 01:27 Peacock rough edges? when ones of his emacs devs had a child, he said: 01:28 Peacock "It doesn't take special talents to reproduce--even plants can do it. 01:28 Peacock On the other hand, contributing to a program like Emacs takes real skill. That is really something to be proud of. 01:28 Peacock It helps more people, too. " 01:28 Peacock thats the definition of autistic (or lack of empathy) 01:29 katyusha I'm sure he said that, but honestly it's not like other software developers are very nice about things either 01:29 katyusha Take a look at Theo and Linus's quotes 01:29 Mossmanikin Somehow like it... :D 01:29 Enke Well, for every well-intentioned group, like open-source, there are extremists who beleive that everything should be open-source and all people who try to make a profit off of software should be dead, like RMS. 01:30 Peacock well even linus has milder views than RMS 01:30 Peacock theo i dont know so well 01:30 Peacock i know Hans Reiser (ReseirFS) killed his wife and is currently serving time 01:31 Enke The only way that having all computer software be free would be if anybody who was breathing could make software. However they cannot. 01:32 Peacock free software will never rule the world :P but that doesn't mean free software is bad, we just need to be realistic :-) 01:32 katyusha I would disagree. You can make money by having somebody pay you for making the software rather than selling it. 01:32 Peacock *it just means we 01:32 Enke Some people state that being charged for software is a rip-off, but when they charge you money, they may be charging you because of time, or they have to pay salary to workers, etc. etc. 01:33 katyusha Back in the 70's and 80's that's how it worked. The module could still work fine. 01:33 katyusha *model 01:33 Mossmanikin Freedom and ruling is a contradiction 01:33 Peacock yeah companies can pay you to write free software, but to the dev, how's that different from being paid to write prop. software? 01:33 Peacock in a purely free software world, companies would have nothing to do with software dev 01:33 katyusha It's better ethically. If you can still get paid for writing free software over proprietary software you should go for the FOSS job. 01:34 Peacock because they couldn't profit from selling licenses 01:34 Peacock well you know what else is better ethically? paying less rent and less for food, but freetards never argue those points, otherwise i might agree with them more :P 01:35 Enke Well, if anybody could program, then it would make sense for them to be free. If someone walks 10 feet outside, and picks up a small rock and charges me $10, I'm being ripped off. Because they are charging me money for something that everyone can do. 01:35 Peacock people can live without software, they can't live without a roof over their heads or food in their bellies :P 01:35 katyusha Most of them specialise in software. We all have niche ideas that can create a better society if we work with each other. 01:35 katyusha Also I ask you not to use the term "freetard". It gets thrown around too much. 01:35 katyusha Though I can understand your point. 01:36 Enke Well, why should I do something for everyone that takes up a huge portion of my life and not get any compensation? 01:36 Peacock the problem with free software as an extremist mentality is that it leads to pure communism (if you apply the notion to all fields of economics) which has already been shown to be a failure 01:36 Enke That's part of the reason for proprietary software. 01:36 * Enke agrees with Peacock 01:36 VanessaE Peacock: seems to work okay in israel's kibbutzim. 01:37 katyusha Socialism doesn't necessarily have to be authortarian Stalinism or even Marxist/Leninism. 01:37 Peacock Israel ditched left/communist ideals in the 70s 01:37 katyusha Socialism doesn't work because we don't want it to work. People aren't willing to work collectively and thus we would have to use an authortarian government 01:37 Peacock http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424053111904716604576548703926339210 01:37 Enke Well, America's got quite a bit of socialism going on, so to get an idea of how well it works, just look at our debt. 01:38 katyusha It would be fine if we were willing to drop what we were doing and switch over our economic system 01:38 katyusha I wouldn't say it's socialism with all the corporate control 01:38 Enke That's what russia did. Tell me how well it worked out for them. 01:38 Peacock the debt is a result of state capitalism, which is just as bad as communism :P 01:38 katyusha ^ that 01:39 katyusha besides the communism part 01:39 Peacock supporting specific industries vs supporting the entire economy amounts to the same, we the people pay for it in the end 01:40 Mossmanikin There's a lot of different types of communism, from anarchism to stalinism... 01:40 Peacock anarchy isn't communism, its local government 01:40 Enke But they all amount to the same ideal. 01:40 Enke anarchy is no government. 01:40 Mossmanikin It's not a contradictiction 01:41 Peacock anarchy is local government (think Free Cities of the Holy Roman Empire) 01:41 katyusha technically communism is anarchy (in the marxist sense) 01:41 Peacock well we've never had real communism on this Earth 01:41 Mossmanikin in theory, maybe 01:42 Mossmanikin right 01:42 Peacock communism as defined is the end goal of a political and economical transformation, everything in history was an in-between 01:42 Enke Well, according to Wikipedia and the dictionary, there are many schools of anarchist thought, so this argument over anarchy is pointless. 01:42 Mossmanikin although... in small communities... 01:43 Enke !g Communism 01:43 MinetestBot Enke: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism 01:43 Peacock Enke there are many schools of keynesian though, yet we still experienced it :P 01:43 Peacock *thought 01:43 Enke [Communism] is a socialist movement to create a classless, moneyless,[1][2] and stateless social order 01:44 Peacock and that never happened in China or Russia 01:44 Peacock they still had money and classes until the end 01:44 Peacock except the upper classes in communism are regulators 01:45 Peacock people who can't lose their jobs by vote or buyouts 01:45 Enke Because communism didn't work. It simply made certain people rich at the expense of others. 01:45 Peacock it's two sides of the same coin :P 01:46 Peacock in both system you still have bosses, it's just in one system they make you believe you don't 01:46 iqualfragile_ communism is not a stable state 01:46 Enke Peacock: Are you arguing that communism didn't work because we didn't practice it correctly? 01:46 Mossmanikin Know some people who lived in the DDR, I understand they miss something 01:47 Enke Communist concepts are the perfect fodder for a dictator to take over. 01:48 Mossmanikin Like any dream 01:48 Enke Now why are we arguing. It's pretty obvious that nobody's going to change their line of thought. 01:50 Mossmanikin I'mnot arguing, just exchanging thoughts, I try to refrain from arguing about politics or religion 01:51 Peacock communism didn't work because it would have demanded more selflessness than people were capable of :P 01:52 iqualfragile_ Peacock: exactly my point, comunism is not a stable state 01:52 Enke Well, then, if people cannot do it, then it will not work. Forced compassion isn't compassion. 01:52 Peacock bureaucrats are the same in whatever system, they'll protect their own jobs before thinking of the state 01:53 Enke Well, bureaucrats are anywhere, so... 01:53 Peacock the fall of Rome is a story that has been repeated throughout history 01:54 Peacock and for the same reasons 01:54 Enke You have a point. 01:54 Mossmanikin Look at the past... 01:55 Peacock to me, it doesn't matter what ideals any particular system is built on, there will always be vultures to gut it completely :P 01:57 Peacock somewhat pessimistic/nihilistic, but still :P 01:58 Enke Well, pessimists are either correct or pleasently surprised. Be a pessimist! 01:58 Peacock indeed, i'd rather be pleasantly surprised :P 01:59 Mossmanikin Not really, it's just in the nature of things that everything ends, isn't it? 01:59 Enke wouln't everyone. 01:59 Enke *wouldn't 02:01 Peacock well the last episode of TNG was "All good things come to an end" :P 02:01 Peacock though depending on your religion, you may believe in cyclical history 02:01 VanessaE no, it wasn;t. 02:01 VanessaE it was "All Good Things"/ 02:02 Mossmanikin The optimistic version is: not only good things :D 02:02 Peacock ah well, Q used the full sentence :P 02:02 Enke On the upside, all hellish things come to an end. 02:02 VanessaE turn in your geek card :P 02:02 VanessaE Enke: true that 02:03 Enke :) 02:03 Peacock im not crazy about watching the finales since it kinda spoils watching the rest of the series over and over LOL 02:03 Enke Dear Lord, brain overload... 02:04 Enke Just learning about SSH and TelNet and RLogin and all sorts of stuff. PuTTY is hard 02:04 VanessaE well then ENT and TOS are fine, since the former's "fianle" was bunk and the latter lacked one entirely. 02:04 Peacock thought if star trek were remade today on TV, it would be completely for retards so there wouldn't be any point 02:04 VanessaE finale* 02:04 Enke I liked Voyager's finale. 02:05 VanessaE me too 02:05 Peacock really? the end of that episode totally sucked 02:05 Peacock i was expecting to see some sort of homecoming 02:05 Enke I liked it. 02:05 Enke Ah well, just opinions. 02:05 Peacock even the 2-parter Timeless had a better homecoming 02:05 Mossmanikin Liked Dexter's finale 02:05 Peacock really? most people hated it though i never followed Dexter 02:06 Peacock im kinda thinking Mad Men's finale will probably suck 02:06 Mossmanikin No, 't was ok 02:06 Enke Never watched that one. 02:06 Peacock can't wait for Hannibal (TV) to pick up though, should be awesome 02:07 Peacock and game of thrones 02:07 Peacock kinda got into that at the last minute 02:07 Mossmanikin Can't wait for more episodes of the walking dead 02:08 Peacock though game of thrones kinda sounds like finding a free stall in a public bathroom 02:08 Peacock yeah walking dead was good in the last episode, though the first 1/2 of season 4 and all of season 3 sucked ass 02:08 NANOsoldierEnke My connection randomly died... strange 02:10 Mossmanikin Normally don't like zombies that much, but walking dead has something 02:10 Peacock walking dead has gone through too many producers, and it shows :P 02:11 Peacock hopefully the second half of s4 will be decent 02:11 Mossmanikin Dunno, haven't watched the latest episodes yet 02:11 Peacock not the last 2-3? 02:12 Peacock you might shit yourself, they were pretty good, compared to everything before 02:12 Mossmanikin Lemme take a look at my disk :D 02:13 Peacock well if you didn't see the tank roll up to the prison, then you haven't seen the last 2 episodes :P 02:13 Mossmanikin Season 3 untill episode 8 02:13 Peacock isn't the current season = 4? 02:14 Mossmanikin Yeah, watch so many series... 02:14 Peacock meh, i understand that :P i recently had a Sliders marathon :P 02:14 Peacock that series could use a remake with a decent budget 02:15 Mossmanikin Sliders... what was that about? 02:16 Peacock http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sliders 02:16 Peacock kinda old, which is why i think a decent remake might be cool 02:17 Mossmanikin Recognize some faces... 02:17 Enke huh? 02:17 Peacock really? i never saw them in anything else since 02:18 Peacock if Sliders hadn't been done by Fox, it might have been better :P 02:18 Mossmanikin Must've been some forgotten nights in front of the tv 02:19 Peacock well that was at the same time as Outer Limits (90s) and X-Files 02:19 Peacock scifi was something 20 years ago, now it's just action/pron lol 02:20 Enke yep. 02:23 Mossmanikin I always have been interested in scifi, but I'm beginning to really like it now it's out :D 02:25 Peacock well even TNG was better than VOY, not saying VOY is bad, but they recycled alot of conceptes from the previous 2 series 02:26 Peacock thought that has alot to do with Gene Roddenberry dying in the middle of TNG 02:27 Enke Yeah... 02:27 Peacock the science-y stuff died with roddenberry and it became alot more political/dark 02:27 Mossmanikin Of course: too much is too much. But I find recycling in stories very important 02:28 Peacock cuz honestly Picard had a hardon for the prime directive and the other captains made it a point of pride to bend it 02:28 Peacock yeah there was too much star trek 02:29 Peacock TNG hadn't finished before DS9 started, and VOY started before DS9 finished, and ENT was a near-failure 02:29 Peacock if they had spaced it out more they could have "regrouped" for ideas and not have fans sick of the same stories 02:31 Enke Yeah, they kinda milked it for cash. 02:32 Peacock well thats why rick berman and brannon braga aren't in charge anymore :P 02:32 Peacock not saying JJ's story make any more sense, but at least it's different :P 02:34 Enke Damn timeouts.. 02:37 Mossmanikin K, folks,have a good time, need some sleep, bye, later 02:58 thefamilygrog66 Howdy folks 03:00 VanessaE hey grog 03:11 Peacock Groooooooooooooooooog! 03:12 xn--qei`us I'm having an error in Minetest. I can't seem to find any robots. Every good game has robots. Where are they? 03:12 Peacock the robots are on the irc channel :P 03:12 xn--qei`us Fair enough. 03:13 thefamilygrog66 You, Robot? 03:13 Peacock i'm a gay welsh aborginese bot 03:13 xn--qei`us No, it was just a reference to a post I saw ages ago, but it got deleted. 03:13 thefamilygrog66 Say that five times quickly. 03:14 xn--qei`us A post on the forum, I mean. 03:14 xn--qei`us (This is 0gb.us, by the way.) 03:14 Peacock that's to be expected, half the forums' participants are now moderators :P with plans for the remaining 1/4 to be upgraded 03:15 thefamilygrog66 Why aren't you a moderator yet, mauvebic? 03:15 Peacock because i'm a pain in the ass :P 03:15 Peacock and rarely serious :P 03:16 thefamilygrog66 Haha 03:16 Peacock and don't mind being offensive :P lol 03:16 Peacock besides if they made me moderator, i'd insist on my forum title saying "Queen of Summertime" 03:16 xn--qei`us I'm considering adding a few extra names to my account. I'm trying out this one, seeing if it fits me. Or rather, if this name format fits me. This isn't one of the names I actually plan to group, in case someone tries stealing my name before I decide. 03:17 thefamilygrog66 You guys get hit by any ice storm over there? 03:17 Peacock naw just a snowstorm in QC 03:17 VanessaE nothing here in W. NC but some rain :) 03:17 xn--qei`us Ice storm? That doesn't sound any fun. 03:17 Peacock my balls were last seen around Dunkirk (retreating) last i went to the liquor store 03:17 VanessaE Peacock: froze them off? 03:18 Peacock yeah :( 03:18 thefamilygrog66 It's pretty gross here, and yet beautiful - ice storm paradox... 03:18 Peacock thank god i live downtown eventhough it's a very small city, power doesn't go out here 03:18 thefamilygrog66 My power's remained on, anyway 03:18 Peacock (i got 2 or 3 holiday meals in the freezer) 03:19 thefamilygrog66 I figure I can bbq , if necessary! 03:19 Peacock there's too much snow on my balcony :P 03:19 xn--qei`us Ugh, I'd hate to be without power. I'd feel so cut off. Not to mention the fridge/freezer issue. 03:19 Peacock and the lack of BBQ causes some slight technical difficulties too 03:19 thefamilygrog66 Haha, yes 03:20 thefamilygrog66 I feel a bit better about the whole power thing, living in the city. 03:21 Peacock seriously, i've lived in the sticks most of my life 03:21 Peacock for what i earn, i either get the sticks of a big city, or downtown of a small city :P 03:21 thefamilygrog66 Though I did have a nice wood stove at my last house. 03:21 Peacock these days you can't even get a wood stove installed 03:22 Peacock not without some leftist fuck telling you it's bad lol 03:22 thefamilygrog66 What do you mean? 03:22 Peacock pollution :P 03:22 thefamilygrog66 Hey now, I resemble said leftist fuck 03:23 Peacock resemble is fine, it means you still have common sense built-in :P 03:23 thefamilygrog66 But wood is renewable, so there 03:23 Peacock yeah but depending on the type of stove, it might be illegal 03:23 thefamilygrog66 Nonsense 03:23 Peacock example, you can't get an old-school wood-stove installed (in a relatively big city) 03:24 thefamilygrog66 Hey megaf 03:24 ^`us Hey, Megaf! 03:24 Megaf hi 03:24 Peacock well that could just be Quebec, we're more leftist than the ROC lol 03:24 Megaf Hi all 03:25 thefamilygrog66 I dunno, your premier sure ain't 03:25 Peacock Marois? she's hella leftist 03:25 Peacock almost downgrade credit rating? No problem! 03:26 thefamilygrog66 So far left, she's a rightwing fascist 03:26 Peacock worries the fuck out of me, thats why i vote CAQ (as in, suck my CAQ...PQ!) 03:26 thefamilygrog66 Full circle, baby 03:26 Peacock what because of that charter thing? 03:26 Megaf Going to sleep already. Good night! 03:27 Peacock considering Ontario (London, Ont) exports terrorists to the 3rd world, seems all of Canada could use such a charter 03:27 thefamilygrog66 Yeah, that was a bit misguided. And I'm saying that as an atheist. 03:28 Peacock i think it's proper, in a secular society there's no room for religion in the public sphere, keep it private 03:28 Peacock we're not denying anyone's right to practice, just keep it at home, like sex lol 03:28 ^`us Good night! 03:29 thefamilygrog66 Unfortunately, some religions have dress codes, which make what you describe impossible. 03:30 Peacock in any case, Europe is a perfect example, they've already stated as much that multiculturalism is a failure, it's just that in Canada we're always 10 years behind the times 03:30 ^`us Yeah, dress and dietary codes. 03:30 Peacock well if your religion has a dress code, there are countries where such a religion is state-sanctionned 03:31 ShadowNinja ##politics? ##religion? 03:31 thefamilygrog66 Yeah, fuck the Amish and their damned beards 03:31 ^`us My religion eats the souls of small children. I can't just not eat when I'm at work. 03:31 Peacock the difference between Quebec and the ROC is that in Quebec the Catholic church ran the show up until the 60's, and we know better than to let any religion ever have that much power again 03:32 ShadowNinja thefamilygrog66: ? 03:32 thefamilygrog66 There's a big difference between power and respect, though. 03:32 ^`us I tried to grow a beard. But no, my hair didn't get long enough. 03:33 thefamilygrog66 ShadowNinja 03:33 Peacock well in Quebec after the abuses such as the Duplessis Orphans, we decided religions didn't deserve any more recognition than other groups 03:33 ^`us That's a good way to look at them: as the same as other interest groups. 03:34 Peacock you do know right that the catholic church stole and & sold babies, declared illegitimate children insane for the $, etc.? 03:34 Peacock why would we trust any other church after that? 03:34 thefamilygrog66 Except that now in Quebec, folks who work for the public service cannot wear any religious garb, which is ridiculous. 03:35 Peacock if you say so, but it's no more ridiculous than Chineses businesses having to keep signs in English, which is a bylaw in certain Toronto neighbourhoods 03:35 Peacock (the ones with the most asians) 03:35 ShadowNinja Peacock: ... And you have proof that the church officually did this? (someone in the church doing it does not mean that the church agrees) 03:36 Peacock there's a graveyard in the city that both the church and the gov't dont want dug up 03:36 ShadowNinja ... 03:36 thefamilygrog66 Bill 101, speaking of stupid sign laws. And Quebec. 03:36 Peacock well before bill 101, anglos in Montreal told us to "speak White" 03:37 thefamilygrog66 All of them told you that. Sounds legit. 03:37 Peacock yeah most of them did 03:37 ^`us I don't trust churches, but I also don't trust most interest groups. SO same thing to me, really. 03:37 Peacock the few remaining still do 03:37 thefamilygrog66 Hmmm, my bullshit detector is beeping. 03:38 ^`us *So 03:38 Peacock im even surprised you give a shit, we can run our on affairs how we want, and if our anglos aren't happy, they can join you, but then, their house would be 1/2 the size and their food bill twice as much 03:39 Peacock which is why they don't leave 03:39 thefamilygrog66 I grew up in Ottawa... 03:39 Peacock Ottawa ain't Quebec 03:39 thefamilygrog66 Look at a map! 03:40 Peacock and i grew up in Toronto, Montreal 03:40 thefamilygrog66 I spent a lot of my formative years in Hull, etc. 03:41 Peacock well TO ain't close to Quebec, and Montreal ain't close to Ontario, and if i had to chose, i'd still chose Quebec 03:41 thefamilygrog66 I.e. right across the bridge from downtown ottawa. 03:41 thefamilygrog66 Moving on.... 03:42 Peacock sucks but seperation is coming either way 03:43 Peacock just like Catalonia and Northern Ireland 03:43 Peacock (or Scotland) 03:43 thefamilygrog66 That'll work out well 03:44 Peacock well the ROC is already well on the way to becoming the 51st American state, just keep voting for Harper 03:45 thefamilygrog66 I'm a commie, remember? Haha 03:45 Peacock unfortunately most of your fellow Canadians seem to be drifting in the other direction, you might like Quebec more :P 03:47 thefamilygrog66 Nah, I have faith, hehehe 03:47 Peacock dunno, as much as i'd like to believe in the liberals, Trudeau seems like a complete muppet 03:47 thefamilygrog66 Also, I love playing shows in Montreal. 03:48 thefamilygrog66 Temporary measures, I guess. 03:48 Peacock i love Montreal too :P i only left it because of too much partying lol 03:48 thefamilygrog66 No doubt 03:49 Peacock seriously, both on the federal and provincial levels, we need new gov'ts lol 03:49 ^`us Probably in most countries, we need new governments. 03:51 Peacock career politicians have that effect :P 03:53 Enke Sorry I've been gone, problems with PuTTY 03:54 Enke Oh, Hi familygrog 04:24 VanessaE thexyz: where is that apk of freeminer again? 04:24 thexyz ShadowNinja: there are a lot of changes, just compare the branch to minetest master 04:25 thexyz ShadowNinja: abort is subbosed to be rewritten to exception raising 04:26 thexyz !tell iqualfragile no, I do not support minetest with pulls anymore 04:26 MinetestBot thexyz: I'll pass that on when iqualfragile is around 04:26 thexyz VanessaE: dunno check the logs 04:26 thexyz I'm from my phone now 04:26 VanessaE o 04:26 VanessaE ok 04:27 VanessaE http://a.pomf.se/lolvi.apk 04:27 VanessaE this maybe? 04:28 VanessaE (your filenames are...obscure) 04:29 Microchip Hi, thought maybe you guys could help me with an issue real fast. 04:30 Microchip About Nodetopia. 04:30 Enke Nope, I got nothin' 04:31 Microchip haha 04:31 Microchip Well, no matter what kind of keybindings I use, I just can't figure out how to move around. 04:31 Microchip I don't fall either. 04:32 Microchip Any ideas? 04:34 thexyz VanessaE: just build it from source 04:34 thexyz there's build.sh all you need to do is run it 04:35 VanessaE thexyz: yup, that link is it, or at least it is "a" build of fm anyway. doesn't run for me though. 04:35 VanessaE oh ok 04:37 Microchip VanessaE: do you have any idea why I can't move around in Nodetopia? 04:38 VanessaE no clue, that's pilzadam's project 04:39 Microchip Has it happened to anybody else, I mean, no matter the gamemode? 04:40 Peacock nodetopia? how many forks are there 04:40 VanessaE it's not a fork 04:40 VanessaE that's just pilzadam's game 04:40 VanessaE formerly named pilztest 04:40 Peacock oh lol 04:40 Peacock neither name is terribly original 04:41 * Microchip bashes his head into the computer, and decides to try to build from source tomorrow 04:41 Microchip Seeya. 04:41 NakedFury there is a some obsession with having block, node, mine, craft in the name 04:42 Peacock though germans are more known for their efficiency than their creativity :P 04:47 VanessaE thexyz: I've never compiled anything on android before...even just unzipping the sources throws a number of operation-not-permitted errors regarding permissions (makes sense, FAT32 fs since it's an sd card). still safe to proceed? 04:48 * VanessaE wonders if she even has enough storage to install a proper build toolchain :P ) 04:53 thexyz wat are you doing 04:53 Peacock many storage, much good, very doge 04:54 thexyz you're supposed to compile on your pc 04:54 VanessaE at the moment, just browsing through the fm 0.4.8.2 sources. 04:54 thexyz also i really hope you read my messages and cloned the repo to /sdcard/freeminer 04:54 VanessaE it is indeed on the sd card, though from the zip rather than a clone. 04:55 VanessaE compiling on the PC makes far more sense though. 04:55 thexyz before reporting that it doesn't work 04:55 VanessaE who said it doesn't work? 04:56 VanessaE I just said it threw a few permissions errors because of fat32. 04:56 VanessaE this is of course perfectly normal. 04:56 thexyz "doesn't run for me though" 04:56 VanessaE oh, no that was the apk. 04:57 VanessaE it crashes immediately on launch. 04:58 thexyz meh 04:58 Peacock much crash, such reboot, wow, good systemd 04:58 * VanessaE looks at the sources. 04:58 thexyz now how about you read my messages once again knowing was I was referring to? 04:59 VanessaE huh? 04:59 VanessaE did you miss the part where I said I was now browsing through the sources? 05:00 VanessaE jeez 05:00 Peacock very fail 05:00 thexyz so you actually do have /sdcard/freeminer yet you can't get to the menu? 05:00 thexyz you should attach adb lolcat output then 05:00 Peacock lol lolcat 05:02 VanessaE I will after I recompile. 05:03 VanessaE vanessa@rainbird:~/Minetest-related/freeminer-0.4.8.2$ find ./ -name build.sh 05:03 VanessaE FAIL 05:04 Peacock much fail, good filled (http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/581/567/bab.jpg) 05:07 thexyz you know you're doing something wrong 05:07 thexyz are you sure you're on android branch of my github repo? 05:07 thexyz what's the point of not providing logs until you recompile? 05:07 thexyz please do it niw 05:07 thexyz now* 05:07 VanessaE nope, I'm not. didn't realize there was a separate branch. 05:08 VanessaE wait, of YOUR git repo? 05:08 VanessaE jeez 05:08 VanessaE it's no wonder I didn't find it. 05:08 VanessaE meh. interest: lost. 05:09 thexyz lol 05:09 VanessaE s/lost/losing 05:09 VanessaE / 05:09 thexyz trying to run pre-release builds 05:09 thexyz not following the instructions 05:09 VanessaE what instructions?> 05:09 thexyz not providing logs when asked to 05:10 VanessaE thus far I have seen none 05:10 VanessaE what logs? I haven't even had a chance to generate any yet 05:10 thexyz being unable to read 05:10 VanessaE jesus toes man, give a person a chance to do stuff. 05:10 VanessaE I am not as fast as I used to be 05:10 thexyz the instructions being to clone the android branch to /sdcard/freeminer of your android device 05:10 * VanessaE facepalms 05:11 VanessaE on the one hand, "clone to /foo on android", on the other hand "build on your PC".... 05:11 VanessaE you don't see how this is confusing? 05:12 thexyz shit 05:13 thexyz i honestly don't like to explain simple things 05:13 thexyz you should clone it to /sdcard/freeminer to be able to run it 05:13 VanessaE simple to you when you've clearly done this a number of times. not to me when I'm still getting the hang of sideloading stuff to my tablet for crying out loud. 05:14 thexyz you don't typically need to build it from sources 05:14 thexyz got it now? 05:14 thexyz yeah especially since I write this stuff every time I post a link to .apk 05:14 thexyz yet people always say "doesn't werk halp" 05:15 thexyz well does it work now? 05:15 VanessaE wait what? 05:15 VanessaE [12-22 23:34] VanessaE: just build it from source 05:15 VanessaE wtf? 05:15 VanessaE [12-23 00:14] you don't typically need to build it from sources 05:15 VanessaE make up your G*ddamn mind 05:15 VanessaE now that I've cloned it, I'll take a look at what I have. 05:16 thexyz "just build it from source" if the link to pomf confuses you for some reason 05:16 thexyz do you even read ;_; 05:17 thexyz anyway gotta go, bye 05:20 VanessaE bah, fuck this. 05:21 Peacock *frak this 05:23 VanessaE I'll just stick to playing this on the PC. ALl I wanted to do was a quick 30 second test to see if it worked at all, not turn this into a two hour discussion 05:23 Peacock would you be amenable to a three hour discussion? :P 05:24 VanessaE no. :P 05:25 Peacock as you know, i'm the Minister of Funny Walks 05:25 VanessaE well considering you froze your balls off back in Dunkirk..... 05:25 VanessaE ;) 05:26 Peacock im still waiting on the british navy for those 05:26 Peacock apparently they're going through a work stoppage :/ 05:27 Peacock of course, you've heard the symphony, The British Leyland Concerto - in four movements, all of them slow, with a four-hour tea-break in between. 05:28 VanessaE not familiar with it 05:29 Peacock U NO FAWLTY TOWERS? 05:33 VanessaE ? 05:35 thexyz > getting upset about an internet discussion after not being able to read the installation instructions 05:38 VanessaE too late, I already gave up on it for now. no binaries in either the git repo or the zip on the website, building from sources requires a dev environment I do not have on my PC (and am not inclined to install right now), and I don't have that logging tool at the moment either (also wasn't inclined to track down/install it at that moment) 05:38 VanessaE sometimes I think you forget the concept of "a quick test" 05:39 VanessaE (and no, the apk didn't even show the menu - just "sorry, $foo has stopped" as soon as I launched it) 06:08 thexyz BECAUSE YOU FUCKING SHOULD CLONE THE FUCKING REPO INTO /SDCARD/FREEMINER LIKE I FUCKING SAID 06:08 thexyz SORRY FOR WRITING IN CAPS BUT THAT'S HOW IT IS 06:08 thexyz LOL IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE I'M SHOUTING AT YOU 06:14 thexyz also I don't need anyone to do such "quick tests" at the momebt 06:14 thexyz so if you can't figure out how to run it please don't waste my and your time 06:15 thexyz there's a reason I've only posted the link to this apk once or twice in chat 06:15 thexyz not on forums 06:15 thexyz if you still can't figure out why it doesn't worj 06:15 thexyz try deleting builtin directory of minetest and see what happens 06:16 thexyz also it for sure is totally your fault 06:16 thexyz I write the instructions every time I post a link to apk 06:16 thexyz if you fail to find them please don't even try 06:17 thexyz on a side note, the development of android branch will continue after we merge enet to fm 06:18 thexyz this means no mt compatibility after we release to google play 06:18 thexyz have fun 06:19 VanessaE jeez, rage much? 06:20 VanessaE that quick test was not for you, it was purely for my own uses. 09:43 raffahacks Ne 09:43 raffahacks Megaf? 09:48 VanessaE guess not 09:54 raffahacks How to register nick 09:54 VanessaE /ns help register 09:54 VanessaE or /msg nickserv help register 09:55 raffahacks Thanks 09:57 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Festivus! :-D 09:58 VanessaE Festivus for the rest of us, eh? :) 09:58 raffahacks Registered! 09:59 JamesTait VanessaE, you know of this celebration? 09:59 raffahacks Are u from frankfurt, vanessa? 09:59 VanessaE JamesTait: only vaguely of its origins from Seinfeld 10:00 VanessaE raffahacks: nope. 10:00 JamesTait VanessaE, first time I've heard of it. Sounds fun though. 10:00 raffahacks Ok 10:00 VanessaE JamesTait: it's supposed to be entirely a joke :) 10:00 raffahacks What is festivus 10:01 JamesTait VanessaE, which makes it even better. :-P 10:01 VanessaE raffahacks: a gag holiday created within a TV series by a character that doesn't celebrate christmas, but I don't recall why 10:01 JamesTait VanessaE, raffahacks: http://www.daysoftheyear.com/days/festivus/ 10:02 raffahacks Thanks lol 10:02 VanessaE heh 10:03 raffahacks Sorry, but you are the first woman coder I found on the web :) 10:03 raffahacks There arent many 10:04 VanessaE yes, we actually exist, imagine that :) 10:04 raffahacks Which languages do u program with 10:04 raffahacks Except lua 10:05 VanessaE currently, just Lua. I've done BASIC, 6502 assembly, HTML if that counts, plenty of BASH, a bit of Python, a bit of javascript, Verilog, Lua, a touch of C++ 10:06 VanessaE hi 10:06 raffahacks :) 10:08 raffahacks The only problem of minetest is that it isnt optimised 10:08 raffahacks Optimized 10:08 raffahacks ? 10:10 VanessaE it's debatable 10:10 raffahacks I think someone has to build a minetest pocket for android because buildcraft is laggy 10:10 VanessaE some will say it is not, some will say it is 10:10 raffahacks For me it's tooo heavy 10:12 raffahacks I know but it doesnt work on linux 10:12 raffahacks But it must! 10:12 raffahacks Its a linux nativa gane 10:13 raffahacks I think they must port it 10:14 thexyz VanessaE: have you managed to run it though? 10:14 VanessaE I gave up for now, I'll try again later when I can think and you are raging less. 10:15 thexyz well it's hard for me to not rage 10:15 thexyz since I've told you multiple times the solution already 10:15 thexyz yet you always get the wrong idea of what I'm talking about 10:17 raffahacks Minutest classic has more functions 10:18 raffahacks More mods 10:18 thexyz it does? 10:19 raffahacks Can I run a light minetest on a 720 Mb ram celeron pc 10:20 raffahacks Thexyz: mods are the same but are prebuilt in 10:21 raffahacks For example mobs or TNT mod 10:22 VanessaE hah, I didn't even know those images still existed. 10:23 raffahacks Right 10:23 raffahacks Then I think it doesn't manage well shadows 10:24 raffahacks Then I want console font for messages lol 10:24 raffahacks Shadowing 10:25 raffahacks The shadows are ugly 10:26 raffahacks Worse than in minetest bigger brother 10:26 raffahacks Am I clear 10:27 raffahacks And someone must add creepers lol 10:27 raffahacks Want creepers 10:28 raffahacks ButI think creeper mod may need TNT mood 10:28 raffahacks Mod 10:29 VanessaE john_minetest: well, you're certainly free to take those images and make a pull request with them 10:29 VanessaE expect pilzadam to turn it down though 10:29 VanessaE he doesn't like how formspec imagery works. 10:29 VanessaE hey evergreen 10:30 raffahacks Is celeron 55 the admin 10:31 VanessaE creepers are a minecraft thing, we don't need them. 10:31 VanessaE and if you want them, add the mobf mod. 10:31 VanessaE it has a similar creature called a boombomb or something like that 10:32 raffahacks I love creepers 10:32 raffahacks Thanks for advice 10:33 raffahacks But monsters are essential 10:35 raffahacks Right 10:36 VanessaE current mob mods are still, sadly, very laggy because of the network code in minetest 10:36 VanessaE this will eventually be fixed 10:36 VanessaE but as it stands, it's unplayable 10:36 VanessaE except in singleplayer 10:44 VanessaE not a chance, it's too big 10:44 VanessaE approaching 10 MB now 10:58 VanessaE fist thing's first, all this mishegas with the network code has to be worked out first. 11:04 VanessaE bbl, bed. 11:28 specing john_minetest: mob algos should be implemented in minetest itself 11:28 specing mob textures/data/whatever else should be in mods 11:30 thexyz are you sure mobs are laggy because of network code? 11:42 thexyz why did PA posted a mod https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3063 that Ive created? who's that ive by the way? 11:46 sfan5 *facepalm* https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=122845#p122845 11:46 sfan5 and this one too: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=122842#p122842 11:47 sfan5 >Some "root" thingies, never understood for what's that good, before I never had problems without a such thing 11:47 sfan5 >Now, I'm not even sure if Ubuntu is even better than WinXP... 12:02 specing It is not 12:03 specing sfan5: bad links 12:08 jin_xi painting mod now wtfpl (previously gpl) if anyone is interested. https://github.com/obneq/painting 12:18 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 12:47 thexyz jin_xi: you know that you can't just relicense mod from gpl to wtfpl? 12:48 thexyz well since I'm the only other contributor let's say that I'm fine with it 12:48 jin_xi i have asked you some time ago, you said its ok 12:48 jin_xi grep the logs ;) 12:49 jin_xi glad its still ok 12:49 thexyz ah well 12:51 jin_xi also i thought you didnt particularly like gpl anyway? do you have another suggestion for a license? your opinion as the only contributor has some weight here, as i clearly dont care anymore, but ill change it if you like 12:52 sfan5 specing: you need to login to view offtopic 12:57 MinetestBot iqualfragile: no, I do not support minetest with pulls anymore 12:57 sfan5 my pulseaudio broke :-( 12:58 iqualfragile thexyz: that is indeed sad 13:01 jin_xi here: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-08-19#i_3272472 13:03 iqualfragile sfan5: mine, too, kinda 13:03 iqualfragile im on debian stable atm 13:05 thexyz jin_xi: dunno, what's the point of relicensing it if no one develops it? 13:05 thexyz I'd go with MIT 13:07 jin_xi i chose WTFPL because it seems thats what "the community" prefers, but now that its WTFPL everyone who wants to develop it is free to use whatever license she sees fit 13:08 jin_xi you can relicence WTFPL to whatever you like, right? 13:08 thexyz yes 13:08 thexyz you can do anything with it 13:09 thexyz like remove copyrights and claim you're the one who wrote the code 13:09 jin_xi i dont care 13:09 thexyz because well there's nothing to remove 13:09 thexyz then fine 13:11 iqualfragile thexyz: why not? 13:12 markveidemanis Hello 13:13 iqualfragile hi markveidemanis 13:13 Rhy5 Hey hey! 13:13 markveidemanis Hi 13:13 Rhy5 Mark, long time no see bro. 13:14 markveidemanis Hi Rhy5 13:14 markveidemanis Rhys? 13:14 Rhy5 That's my name 13:14 markveidemanis Is the 5 intentional; 13:14 Rhy5 Well, long story 13:14 markveidemanis Lots has changed 13:15 Rhy5 Mark, is your server still up man? 13:15 markveidemanis I now have a blog, my own web server, an irc network, a social network, a 13:15 * Jordach nose dives back into tekkit 13:15 markveidemanis 217.35.229.154:30000 13:16 Rhy5 I mean the old server, the one where we both keep on meeting on. The server were I built the football stadium? 13:16 markveidemanis ... 13:16 Jordach you mean somethingorother.tv 13:16 Jordach i know that server's name 13:16 markveidemanis iL HAVE A RUMMAGE 13:16 Jordach but cannot bring it up 13:16 markveidemanis soz caps 13:16 Rhy5 Lol, Mark. 13:16 iqualfragile markveidemanis: why would you set up your own social network and irc server? 13:17 Rhy5 Have you seen my new profile pic? Like it? Or should I change back to Elmo. :) 13:17 markveidemanis I dont have it on my pc, i remember doing a backup online 13:17 Rhy5 I'm going on your server right now mate. 13:17 markveidemanis Irc experimental python server whose host i am too lazy to kill 13:17 markveidemanis The map is the official MarkTwain future server map 13:17 Rhy5 I see. :) 13:18 Rhy5 Well, should we chat at your awesome server or what? 13:18 markveidemanis Privs need tweaking... 13:18 markveidemanis Oh yea, i got a better PC too :) 13:18 thexyz iqualfragile: why not what? 13:18 Rhy5 Well, let me whois to you here now, I've got some settings to speed up your server. :D 13:18 iqualfragile thexyz: why do you not continue creating pullrequests for minetest 13:19 markveidemanis I had some too but they have just ... vanished 13:19 thexyz iqualfragile: because it's a waste of time 13:19 Rhy5 I can help with that. 13:19 iqualfragile what makes you think so? 13:19 markveidemanis Hmm 13:19 thexyz I spend more time convincing everyone 13:19 markveidemanis No i had some 13:19 thexyz than actually coding stuff 13:19 markveidemanis I had a server on a kindle, i need to pull it off there... 13:19 thexyz and in the end they aren't getting merged anyway 13:19 iqualfragile thexyz: the sad truth is that this is actually how software development works 13:20 thexyz iqualfragile: really? perhaps I know nothing about software development 13:20 markveidemanis the settings i had accumulated over a year... 13:20 thexyz iqualfragile: you know, usually people give you a, erm, task to work on 13:20 iqualfragile yes, its a bit different in open source software, where you can basicly chosse your task 13:20 thexyz minetest development is too chaotic 13:20 thexyz because there's no leader(s) 13:21 thexyz so people can't decide 13:21 thexyz see, I want enet, sapier wants to tune current protocol 13:21 thexyz there's no man to decide what to do 13:22 thexyz anyway, what do you want from me? 13:25 iqualfragile thexyz: i would basicly want those performance fixes in minetest in case they were not implemented in the same hacky way prollers general performance fix was 13:26 thexyz iqualfragile: what do you find hacky about proller's fixes? 13:26 thexyz iqualfragile: the main "fix" is switch from internal tcp-over-udp implementation to enet 13:26 thexyz that's about network stuff 13:26 thexyz then there are some proller's fixes 13:26 thexyz that probably are worth more 13:27 thexyz i.e. some tuning of how blocks are sent to clients 13:27 thexyz I'm not too sure 13:27 iqualfragile i think that has been discussed enought, but i can repeat some arguments (beeing hacky) 13:27 thexyz iqualfragile: if you want those fixes implemented in minetest go to #minetest-dev and convince them 13:27 thexyz I find those fixes fine 13:27 thexyz I'm also not going to fix what's not broken 13:28 thexyz so if you find them hacky then go on and fix them 13:28 iqualfragile the idea of these "fixes" was broken so there is no way to fix the fixes 13:28 iqualfragile the switch to enet is quite a big decision, dont you think 13:29 iqualfragile it not only breaks backward compatibility completly, it allso remove ipv6 support 13:29 thexyz fine, ipv6 support will be added at some time (before final merge to freeminer master) 13:29 thexyz so what do you want from me then? 13:29 iqualfragile on the other hand it does apparently improve performance a lot and offload some development effort to the enet devs 13:30 iqualfragile thexyz: how do you want to add ipv6 support? 13:30 iqualfragile improve enet? 13:31 iqualfragile in that case one of the biggest contra-points against enet would be removed and there would be quite a chance of enet beeing used in minetest 13:33 thexyz iqualfragile: there already is a pull request into enet adding ipv6 13:33 thexyz iqualfragile: then there's proller who can implement this and test 13:41 proller iqualfragile, but "broken" freeminer can handle 100+ players.. 13:41 proller minetest can ~10 13:42 iqualfragile thexyz: in that case: great, then there is only one argument left: backward compatibility and its quite a big one, as minetest is in a linux environment and distributions (besider archlinx and gentoo) do not contain the latest released version 13:42 proller but it not broken! 13:42 iqualfragile proller: brb, answering that 13:43 Enke What's goin on? 13:45 thexyz iqualfragile: I don't care about backwards compatibility 13:45 thexyz in this particular case 13:46 thexyz Enke: developing! 13:46 Enke Joy! 13:52 Rhy5 Hi Adam 13:54 specing iqualfragile: isn't minetest still in beta? 13:54 Rhy5 Hmm? Minetest is 0.4.8. I don't think so. 13:58 iqualfragile specing: not realy 13:58 iqualfragile it is allready included in debian, debian does not include betas 13:59 iqualfragile thexyz: why not? (that is more or less the only thing where backwards compatibility matters) 14:00 * specing doesen't care about backward compat either 14:00 specing :) 14:02 iqualfragile specing: which os are you using? 14:05 thexyz iqualfragile: because having enet and having backwards compatibility conflict with each other and I chose enet 14:06 iqualfragile thexyz: you mean to imply having good network performance and having enet conflict? 14:06 iqualfragile sorry 14:06 iqualfragile thexyz: you mean to imply having good network performance and having backward compatibility conflict? 14:09 thexyz iqualfragile: no, I mean that having enet and having backwards compatibility conflict, like I said 14:09 iqualfragile so using enet is a goal on its own? 14:09 thexyz using enet is a way to achieve good network performance 14:09 thexyz maybe there are other ways 14:09 thexyz this is the way that I chose 14:10 thexyz sapier, for example, has decided to play with Minetest network code instead 14:10 iqualfragile wouldnt it be more rational to choose a way which provides good network performance and still keeps backwards compatibility? 14:11 thexyz feel free to do this then? 14:11 thexyz I felt like improving Minetest network code would be too hard for me 14:11 thexyz because I by no means am a specialist in network code stuff 14:11 thexyz so I chose to use a solution which just works 14:13 iqualfragile thexyz: i think sapier is working on that right now, and has archived some sucsesses 14:13 MinetestBot GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: Fix particle code ignoring return value of std::vector::erase(). Wat. a5377251e2 2013-12-23T06:11:53-08:00 http://git.io/axw10Q 14:18 specing iqualfragile: Gentoo 14:18 iqualfragile specing: see, thats the point 14:18 iqualfragile a lot of people playing minetest are using ubuntu or debian or fedora 14:18 specing so...? 14:18 iqualfragile and none of these contain the latest version 14:19 iqualfragile so they would be unable to join updated servers 14:19 specing that is distro's problem 14:19 specing not yours 14:20 specing Also, I'm noticing that most of the servers run GIT versions and that is NOT okay 14:20 specing servers should run stable versions with the exception of testing/devel servers 14:22 thexyz specing: that's another problem of Minetest 14:22 thexyz iqualfragile: yes, I heard this too, I don't believe that he'll be able to beat enet 14:22 thexyz iqualfragile: or at least reach the comparable performance 14:22 specing and when you get rid of this problem, you'll get rid of the breaking compat one 14:22 iqualfragile why not? 14:22 thexyz and just dropping enet in also helps us get rid of a lot of code 14:22 thexyz anyway, why do you even care? 14:23 thexyz I'm doing this for FM, not MT 14:23 iqualfragile specing: no, because you do not only put those features in a dev branch to play around with it, you plan on getting it mainlined 14:23 specing when you implement enet, bumb the version to 0.5, put a big red compat warning on the download page and that is it 14:23 thexyz I'm fine with MT being incompatible to FM; I'm fine with MT not merging our stuff 14:24 iqualfragile thexyz: because it splits communities and development effort 14:25 specing thexyz: go ahead with it 14:32 iqualfragile john_minetest: i met him last summer, but forgot to ask 14:32 iqualfragile -.- 14:33 sfan5 and there is no way to transmit sounds over internet? 14:34 thexyz iqualfragile: i don't care 14:34 thexyz pretty selfish, yeah 14:35 iqualfragile in that case i cant even wish you best luck 14:42 thexyz indeed 15:00 PilzAdam john_minetest, theres no spyware on that xbox 15:00 PilzAdam not very realistic 15:34 VargaD Hi, minetest server (current dev probably older releases also affected) use a lot of CPU even in idle, I have found the problem 15:34 phantombeta Hi 15:35 VargaD MutexedQueue implementation throws exception many times a second 15:36 VargaD it is very bad to use exception in control flow 15:37 VargaD it just throws exception because a minimal timeout reached, and it throws many times 15:39 VargaD MutexedQueue::pop_front shouldn't throw exception when the teimout reached 15:47 thexyz VargaD: you probably should report this issue to #minetest-dev 15:47 VargaD thanks, I didn't know that you have a separate dev channel 16:20 PilzAdam john_minetest, "Ask me here or in IRC if you want a new build." 16:21 PilzAdam you havent asked anything 16:23 Rhy5 I'll ask for john_minetest. PilzAdam: Could you make a new build for john_minetest please? Thanks. 16:24 Rhy5 I'm still on 0.4.8-release. :O 16:25 zsoltisawesome !seen lordcirth 16:25 MinetestBot zsoltisawesome: lordcirth was last seen at 2013-12-17 05:57:26 UTC on #minetest 16:25 zsoltisawesome looks like hes on xmas break :D 16:25 Rhy5 Mmmm... 16:26 Rhy5 !seen Dan 16:26 MinetestBot Rhy5: Sorry, I haven't seen dan around. 16:26 zsoltisawesome lol 16:26 Rhy5 Ah. 16:26 Rhy5 !seen Dan_Duncombe 16:26 MinetestBot Rhy5: Sorry, I haven't seen dan_duncombe around. 16:26 Rhy5 Gahhhhh 16:26 Rhy5 !seen Dan_D 16:26 MinetestBot Rhy5: dan_d was last seen at 2013-11-16 19:49:46 UTC on #minetest 16:26 Rhy5 Right. 16:26 zsoltisawesome woah 16:26 zsoltisawesome quite a while ago 16:26 Rhy5 You see... he got banned. 16:27 * Jordach sighs 16:27 Jordach been busy playing tekkit all day to get ideas for technic 16:27 Rhy5 Jordach, just a question, have yah tried out any of my mods? :) 16:27 Jordach nope 16:27 zsoltisawesome all day? shoot, my day is just starting! 16:28 Rhy5 Makes alot of sense. 16:28 Jordach i've spent more ores and resources into getting machines working 16:28 Rhy5 Wow. :D 16:28 Jordach i even have a machine that over time, will make bread from raw sunlight 16:28 zsoltisawesome wow 16:28 Rhy5 :O 16:28 Jordach (internal note: get a mass fabricator) 16:28 Rhy5 You've been working. 16:28 Jordach i was doing it with Evergreen 16:29 Rhy5 Does it seem strange that a 11 year old boy makes mods? 16:29 Jordach if someone found my IP and connected to me, you'll be able to join my tekkit world 16:30 * Rhy5 immediately hacks into Jordach's world. 16:30 Rhy5 ^^ 16:30 zsoltisawesome lol 16:30 * Rhy5 joins Jordach's game 16:30 Jordach 6:30:41 [INFO] Stopping server 16:30 Jordach jordach@TeslaBolt:~/Desktop/server$ 16:31 Rhy5 Like a boss 16:33 Jordach zsoltisawesome, give me time and patience, you'll get shit like this: http://imgur.com/a/UCq1s 16:33 VanessaE ...made with pipeworks 16:33 Jordach close enough :) 16:34 VanessaE (except mese filters are currently busted because I suck) 16:41 Enke Pipeworks! 16:41 zsoltisawesome they do?i though they didn't work? 16:42 VanessaE heh 16:42 zsoltisawesome lol 16:42 zsoltisawesome quote: VanessaE 16:42 zsoltisawesome (except mese filters are currently busted because I suck) 16:43 Jordach zsoltisawesome, quote: Dan_D 16:43 VanessaE zsoltisawesome: in current pipeworks git HEAD, mese filters don't work and I've been too lazy to fix them :P 16:43 Jordach 16:43 zsoltisawesome Damn Kiwi IRC 16:43 zsoltisawesome VanessaE: ah 16:44 Jordach zsoltisawesome, get a real client 16:44 zsoltisawesome Jordach: get a real life 16:44 Jordach zsoltisawesome, i'm actually doing well 16:45 zsoltisawesome lol 16:54 thexyz PilzAdam: where can I find your branch with colored chat? 16:56 kaeza afternoons 16:57 kaeza hey john 17:00 Microchip Hi, 17:00 Microchip .* 17:00 Microchip PilzAdam, are you afk? 17:01 Microchip brb 17:04 Microchip There. Ubuntu :D 17:05 zsoltisawesome Microchip: What about Ubuntu? 17:06 Microchip Logged in. That's why I said brb. I logged into Ubuntu 17:07 Calinou Jordach: get a real life 17:07 Calinou please don't talk like that 17:07 Calinou john_minetest, there's "font_size" I think? 17:08 VanessaE john_minetest: just use my font. 17:10 Microchip Wow, minetest takes awhile to compile 17:10 zsoltisawesome did Megaf get his mac version running? 17:11 Microchip Don't know 17:13 zsoltisawesome woah 17:13 zsoltisawesome you got a speedy computer 17:13 Microchip Who? 17:13 zsoltisawesome john_minetest: 17:14 zsoltisawesome what? 17:14 zsoltisawesome visiting for xmas? 17:14 zsoltisawesome fun! 17:14 Microchip o.O 17:14 Microchip Wow 17:14 Guest75774 Why's my name messed up? 17:14 zsoltisawesome idk 17:15 Guest75774 WEll i got nodetopia working! 17:15 ILikePineapplePi hehe 17:16 Microchip__ There. 17:17 Microchip__ Well Nodetopia works with 0.4.8-dev 17:23 Microchip__ Whoa! 17:23 Microchip__ Waving leaves are awesome! 17:25 Microchip__ Water too... Good job :) 17:26 specing proller: did you do anything to the nuke mod? 17:26 specing it doesen't seem to be able to craft 'hardcore iron tnt' 17:27 proller on sky ? disabled because tooo many griefers 17:27 specing yes 17:27 specing damn :( 17:28 ILikePineapplePi whats nodetopia? 17:28 Microchip__ A gamemode 17:28 Microchip__ More survival base 17:28 Microchip__ based* 17:28 ILikePineapplePi why is it not on the forum? 17:28 Microchip__ Don't know. Search it on Github.com 17:30 ILikePineapplePi i found it 17:30 Microchip__ ? 17:30 zsoltisawesome ?? 17:30 Microchip__ O_O 17:31 zsoltisawesome O_O_O 17:33 * Microchip__ punches himself in the mouth 17:34 zsoltisawesome why? 17:34 Microchip__ Bored. 17:34 Microchip__ ;D 17:34 * zsoltisawesome slaps Microchip__ around a bit with a large trout 17:34 zsoltisawesome feel better? 17:34 Microchip__ ... ow xD 17:35 * Microchip__ cooks and eats the trout 17:35 zsoltisawesome you have a forum account? 17:35 Microchip__ Yeah 17:35 * Calinou takes Princess Twilight Sparkle away from zsoltisawesome 17:35 VanessaE oh G*d is that stupid trout macro ever gonna die? 17:35 zsoltisawesome NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 17:35 Microchip__ Lol Vanessa 17:36 zsoltisawesome VanessaE: it's hardcoded into most IRC clients 17:36 VanessaE I doubt "most". 17:36 Microchip__ How would you use it? 17:36 zsoltisawesome use what? 17:36 zsoltisawesome oh the slap? 17:36 Microchip__ That macro trout thing... Is it a chat command? 17:36 zsoltisawesome ya 17:37 specing proller: water just dropepd and I fell to the rocks :/ 17:37 zsoltisawesome ./slap USER 17:37 zsoltisawesome should work 17:37 Microchip__ hm. not in Xchat for Ubuntu 17:37 specing proller: somebody seems to have built spawn in 17:37 zsoltisawesome hmm 17:38 zsoltisawesome xchat is outdated 17:38 Microchip__ eh... It works :P 17:38 zsoltisawesome true 17:39 Microchip__ help /m 17:39 Microchip__ nvm.. 17:39 Calinou but, it's unmaintained... it could have security issues. on top of that, Hexchat is more feautreful 17:39 Microchip__ Is it in Ubuntu repositories? 17:40 Calinou no, you can add a PPA though 17:40 Microchip__ ah. 17:40 Calinou what ubuntu version do you use? 17:40 proller specing, /die many times 17:41 Microchip__ 12.04 LTS 17:41 zsoltisawesome lol me too 17:42 Microchip__ Cool 17:42 Calinou Microchip__, go to "Software Sources", then to "Other Software", click "Add" and add this line: 17:42 Calinou deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/gwendal-lebihan-dev/hexchat-stable/ubuntu precise main 17:42 Calinou then, install the package "hexchat" 17:43 Microchip__ ok 17:43 zsoltisawesome Calinou: :D 17:44 Microchip__ Add source, the button i mean, is grayed out 17:45 zsoltisawesome Calinou: "Connected to server: adams.freenode.net Budapest, HU, EU" 17:45 Calinou it's not for me... 17:46 Microchip__ nvm 17:46 Calinou normally you have "Add", "Edit" and "Delete" 17:46 Microchip__ i didnt add "ubuntu precise main: 17:46 Microchip__ to the end 17:46 Calinou you have to add the whole line :) that's why it is called "APT line" 17:46 Microchip__ haha yeah :) 17:47 Microchip__ Except XChat only allows copy-paste of urls 17:47 VanessaE Except XChat only allows copy-paste of urls 17:47 VanessaE it does?> 17:47 VanessaE seems to work for me 17:47 Calinou you can add it through command line means: "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" or "gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list"... in this case, you add the APT line at the beginning of the file, then you save it, then you run "sudo apt-get update" 17:47 Microchip__ Right-click menu i guess 17:47 Calinou I just gave you the GUI way of adding repositories 17:47 Microchip__ Yeah :P 17:47 Microchip__ i love apt-get 17:47 VanessaE highlight-ctrlC-ctrlV... 17:47 * VanessaE shrugs 17:48 zsoltisawesome lol 17:48 Microchip__ ah... yes guess that would work VanessaE 17:48 * Microchip__ feels like a noob now 17:48 Microchip__ Loggin in through hexchat 17:48 * zsoltisawesome pretends that he isn't offended by the term "noob" 17:49 VanessaE good. 17:49 VanessaE :P 17:49 microchip__ I think im in 17:49 VanessaE nope 17:49 VanessaE you're out :P 17:49 microchip__ -.- ;) jk 17:49 zsoltisawesome no, he's in between 17:49 microchip__ ah... in the doorway 17:50 zsoltisawesome lol 17:50 VanessaE well get in here and close the G*d damn door already 17:50 VanessaE it's cold outside. 17:50 zsoltisawesome lol 17:50 microchip__ or halfway through a default:obsidian_glass window xD 17:50 zsoltisawesome inded 17:50 microchip__ yeah... indeed 17:50 zsoltisawesome my imaginary cat froze 17:51 microchip__ o.O 17:51 zsoltisawesome :( 17:51 zsoltisawesome lol 17:51 Calinou microchip__, you're not a noob, if you're willing to learn ;) 17:51 zsoltisawesome jk 17:51 microchip__ haha Calinou, guess not :) 17:51 zsoltisawesome Calinou: we were all noobs at one point :D 17:51 * john_minetest puts his imaginary kitten on zsoltisawesome's head 17:51 * zsoltisawesome pets it softly 17:52 * zsoltisawesome sneezes 17:52 microchip__ but not the same 17:52 * zsoltisawesome sneezes again 17:52 * microchip__ kicks the cat off of zsoltisawesome's head and gives him a tissur 17:52 microchip__ tissue* 17:52 * zsoltisawesome admits he has a cold 17:52 microchip__ Don't want no boogers on my new Ubuntu install -.- 17:52 zsoltisawesome lol 17:53 microchip__ That stinks.. sick for Christmas 17:53 zsoltisawesome ya 17:53 zsoltisawesome i've had it for like 2 months now 17:53 microchip__ :S 17:54 zsoltisawesome it wont stop clinging to me 17:54 Jordach you're all n00bs 17:54 microchip__ I'll admit i don't get sick much. Not going to school does give some advantages lol 17:54 microchip__ Why Jordach? 17:54 zsoltisawesome i dont go school either 17:54 Calinou zsoltisawesome, newbies* 17:55 * zsoltisawesome goes to http://www.k12.com 17:55 * Jordach prefers https://forum.minetest.net 17:55 * microchip__ has the same teacher year after year after year for every class :S 17:56 zsoltisawesome that sucks 17:56 zsoltisawesome i get new techers every year 17:56 microchip__ haha. My teacher is my mother... good and bad at the same time XD 17:56 Calinou beware of the links you paste 17:57 Jordach because one might lead to a disabled safesearch on ponies 17:57 zsoltisawesome Calinou: beware of the beware-of-the-links-you-paste monster 17:57 microchip__ XD 17:57 zsoltisawesome Jordach: LOL 17:58 microchip__ Well you'll be OK using google 17:58 Jordach zsoltisawesome, be EXTREMELY CAREFUL with certain words, ESP. with well known franchies 17:58 microchip__ Cuz you can't disable safesearch on image searches. 17:58 Jordach franchises* 17:59 zsoltisawesome what say? 18:00 microchip__ I have to go :/ brother has an orthodontist appointment 18:00 microchip__ Bue 18:00 zsoltisawesome darn 18:00 microchip__ Bye* 18:02 zsoltisawesome Calinou: i liked your fun fact the other day 18:03 zsoltisawesome "fun fact: imageshack.us = images hack us" 18:03 kaeza experts exchange 18:04 zsoltisawesome what? 18:04 kaeza (or pen island <.<) 18:07 Calinou PermissionsEx! 18:07 Calinou channel: #permissionsex @ espernet 18:07 Calinou (that's a CraftBukkit plugin) 18:07 zsoltisawesome lol 18:10 zsoltisawesome :( 18:10 zsoltisawesome Roblox is dieing a slow and painful death... :( 18:11 zsoltisawesome lol unaffiliated/marktwain 18:12 markveidemanis test 18:12 specing proller: can you put unified_inventory onto your server? 18:12 markveidemanis Thats not my nick 18:12 markveidemanis clear 18:12 zsoltisawesome i know 18:12 markveidemanis ffs 18:12 zsoltisawesome its just funny 18:12 markveidemanis I have 3 accounts, markveidemanis, marktwain, mtmt 18:13 MarkTwain http://marktest.co.uk Who likes the snow? 18:13 proller specing, it already unified 18:14 MarkTwain I need an article 18:14 MarkTwain Then you have JS off 18:14 Jordach MarkTwain, what did we all say about the spamming 18:14 zsoltisawesome no snow here too 18:14 MarkTwain http://marktest.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/jetpack/modules/holiday-snow/snowstorm.js?ver=1.43.20111201 18:14 MarkTwain Its there" 18:16 Guest48915 I have uno momente 18:17 microchip__ There 18:18 microchip__ I think i'll change my username to madprogrammi 18:19 madprogrammi there 18:19 specing proller: it isnt 18:20 specing wait, there is 18:20 specing so how come I still see the old inventory? 18:20 proller strange, i have new 18:20 specing Oh wait 18:20 madprogrammi specing, maybe cache? 18:20 specing I do see new 18:20 specing nwm then 18:21 specing it seems I only had to die to get new 18:21 madprogrammi oops. gtg. wont be getting on for awhile (now) XD 18:22 zsoltisawesome anyone have a RUN_IN_PLACE that runs on ubuntu 64bit? 18:23 zsoltisawesome that they would be willing to share 18:23 Jordach zsoltisawesome, the github instructions are fucking simple 18:23 zsoltisawesome they dont fucking work 18:23 Jordach they fucking do 18:24 VanessaE they work for me, and I run *buntu. 18:24 zsoltisawesome well then fuck livecd's 18:24 Jordach well there you go 18:24 Jordach install the fucking thing then 18:24 VanessaE why are you trying to build using a livecd? 18:24 VanessaE you can't do that. 18:24 VanessaE livecd's aren't meant for that. 18:24 zsoltisawesome ya 18:26 zsoltisawesome Jordach, VanessaE: http://mlfw.info/f/5582/ 18:28 Jordach zsoltisawesome, look at all the !kicks zsoltisawesome i give 18:29 zsoltisawesome http://mlfw.info/f/8763/ 18:34 * Jordach just doesn't give a fuck 18:37 zsoltisawesome Jordach: http://mlfw.info/f/2093/ 18:51 MarkTwain I need an article on Minetest servers for my website 18:51 MarkTwain Would anyone like to advertise their server/mod/game/texture pack 18:52 Enke MarkTwain: You could give a list of major servers and a breif description of each. 18:52 MarkTwain Hmm... 18:52 MarkTwain How about i make a form to submit servers and make it available 18:55 zsoltisawesome might be your computer 18:55 Edelwin build it yourself :p 18:55 Jordach zsoltisawesome, it would be the same for others: a windows binary is a windows binary 18:55 Jordach if the original he copied is busted, others will be the same 18:55 zsoltisawesome no shit 18:56 * Jordach calls definite bullshit 18:56 zsoltisawesome +1 18:56 Jordach i've successfully built minetest-classic in MSVC 2010 18:56 * zsoltisawesome calls the police 18:56 thexyz can I stop minetest from sending chat message from register_on_chat_message callback or some other way? 18:57 zsoltisawesome john_minetest: use mingw with cmake 18:58 kaeza thexyz, return true 18:59 thexyz kaeza: doesn't work 18:59 thexyz also nothing about this in the docs 19:01 kaeza server.cpp:2564 19:01 thexyz uhh 19:01 kaeza well, not in the docs, yes :P 19:02 specing proller: naughty you, disabling stuff with "unknown item" :P 19:03 thexyz ah 19:03 zsoltisawesome john_minetest: strange 19:04 thexyz kaeza: right, it'll display on the client anyway 19:04 thexyz if I got this right 19:04 proller need to make unobtanium, located in hell, in bottom 100 blocks, where obsidian mets ;) 19:04 kaeza thexyz, >RUN_CALLBACKS_MODE_OR_SC 19:04 MarkTwain http://marktest.co.uk/form/ 19:04 kaeza so I guess it shows anyway :/ 19:05 kaeza why isn't that one MODE_FIRST? 19:05 Jordach remind me at some point to attach that nick to my account ;) 19:05 Jordach and enforce login timer >:) 19:06 thexyz http://i.imgur.com/MHreKYc.png 19:10 VanessaE bbl 19:11 Enke Neat little colored chat test. 19:12 kaeza thexyz, they show for you, but not for anyone else 19:16 thexyz I know 19:19 kaeza ah well, I misread that 19:19 kaeza you want it not to show to the sender? 19:22 thexyz yes 19:22 specing proller: does your server have hostile bots? 19:27 proller specing, mobs? yes, mobs and mobf mods installed 19:31 proller most of them live in caves 19:33 specing proller: then they are *very* rare 19:34 proller try to find cave: (-50, -50, -50) - lot of live here 19:35 proller via teleporters 19:37 Edelwin :) 19:38 specing proller: there is a mod that enables you to pick up stuff just by walking over them 19:38 specing it would be cool to have 19:39 proller good idea 19:47 specing Man that cavern is HUUUGEEE 19:48 Edelwin x) 19:50 specing no seiously, it is *alteast* 200 * 200 * 200 blocks 20:30 specing proller: Im at -50, -50, -50 20:30 specing Its one huge cavern 20:30 specing seriously 20:30 specing how did you make this? 20:30 specing super nukes? 20:35 proller yes 20:35 proller lot of hardcore_mese_tnt 20:38 phantombeta Hi 20:39 zsoltisawesome hi 20:40 zsoltisawesome proller: http://mlfw.info/f/5129/ 20:41 proller ? 20:41 zsoltisawesome just a joke 20:41 phantombeta How's it going? 20:42 specing proller: LOL, I founf 973 mese TNT 20:42 zsoltisawesome lot of hardcore_mese_tnt 20:42 zsoltisawesome ^ thats why 20:43 ShadowNinja Hardcore mese TNT? :-( Last I checked those used set_node, made small holes, and had bad physics. 20:44 proller but FM is optimized and ^^ +-works ;) 20:45 zsoltisawesome john_minetest: LOL 20:45 proller we need in goood tnt mod, with protection, dropping digged items, fast, .... 20:47 zsoltisawesome john_minetest: I personally prefer this one: http://mlfw.info/f/3529/ 20:51 proller ShadowNinja, we have much faster setnode ;_ 20:51 proller ;) 20:51 ShadowNinja proller: It doesn't and won't exist, all those features slow it down. And I believe MC even kills your framerate during that. 20:52 ShadowNinja proller: Really? How? 20:52 proller remove useless shit 20:53 ShadowNinja Oh, well that's a very good description... 20:56 proller if make cube holes with tnt - possible to remove 1 level of nodes per step, and make 100^3+ holes (not instant) 21:01 zsoltisawesome im back all; 21:01 ShadowNinja I can remove 256^3 nodes in under a minute with my mod. 21:04 proller without dropping and maybe moving chests its useless 21:14 specing proller: wtf, shutting down without a warning? 21:14 proller yes 21:14 proller HARDCOREEEE 21:14 * specing slaps proller 21:14 proller join 21:15 Edelwin :) 21:15 specing proller: item pickups? 21:15 proller today superspeed update online! 21:29 * sfan5 puts a kitten on harrison's head 21:30 * zsoltisawesome waves to sfan5 21:32 harrison ow 21:33 harrison the needlesharp claws are hurting my scalp 21:33 * zsoltisawesome shoots the kitten 21:42 proller what tnt mod now the best? 21:44 ShadowNinja proller: Depends what you mean. If you want fancy things then try PilzAdam's mod. (Although it makes rather square holes...) 21:45 specing proller: furnaces are funny 21:45 proller need 2-3 types of tnt with small, meduim and big ranges 21:45 specing proller: they dont show progress at all 21:46 proller + dropping + protection, and must be fast 21:46 proller PilzAdam's tnt make only one small hole 21:46 PilzAdam big holes with dropping makes it slow 21:48 proller -> timer'ed step by step explosion 21:49 PilzAdam yea, the tnt explodes and 10 minutes later its finished 21:49 PilzAdam you just cant spawn more than 49 objects per block 21:50 PilzAdam my mod spawns 5*5*5 * 1/3 objects per explosion 21:53 proller maybe spawn only 10% of dropped 21:54 proller 10 steps -> 10x10x10 hole 21:55 proller and 49 limit is configurable 22:06 specing proller: How about drop in stacks of 99? 22:06 specing so theres little drops, but those are efficient 22:11 specing proller: look at the workers mod 22:13 proller can drop up to 64000+ 22:13 proller in one stack 22:23 ShadowNinja 65535 or so. 22:24 ShadowNinja But it should drop it in stack_max stacks. The technic chainsaw does this, although in a ugly way. 22:40 FreeFull Minecraft consolidates smaller stack into larger ones if they are close together 22:54 zsoltisawesome if you tell chanserv to op you, does it stay like that? 22:54 zsoltisawesome like every time you join you ar op 22:54 ShadowNinja zsoltisawesome: No, although you can set up auto-op. 22:55 zsoltisawesome how? 22:56 ShadowNinja ChanServ flag +O, Limnoria capability #channel,autoOp, or similar. 22:57 zsoltisawesome Invalid command. Use /msg ChanServ help for a command listing. 22:57 ShadowNinja /cs help flags 22:58 zsoltisawesome oh 23:00 specing proller: but dropping 65536 in one stack kinda goes against that "max 99 in a stack" rule most items have 23:02 zsoltisawesome ShadowNinja: Thanks for the tip 23:06 zsoltisawesome who here plays http://www.nessbots.com? 23:06 Pentium44 hi 23:06 zsoltisawesome hi 23:06 Pentium44 can someone give me some details on this error: 23:07 Pentium44 https://pastee.org/9fshr 23:07 zsoltisawesome details: never run Minetest though Wine 23:07 Pentium44 does the same thing on windows >.> 23:08 zsoltisawesome remember WINE stands for "WINE is not an emulator" 23:08 Pentium44 and it was a cross compile 23:08 zsoltisawesome well then 23:08 Pentium44 john_minetest, any idea? 23:09 zsoltisawesome john_minetest: you should try NessBots, its in javascript though XD 23:09 Pentium44 a friend was running linux 23:10 Pentium44 I know 23:10 Pentium44 I am making a binary for windows 23:11 Pentium44 this is not minetest >.> 23:11 Pentium44 its my fork 23:11 Pentium44 ok 23:11 Pentium44 ill just go try it 23:17 Pentium44 john_minetest 23:18 Pentium44 I just tried it on windows 23:18 Pentium44 it does not work. 23:18 zsoltisawesome well, everyone have fun, i get to open my xmas presents tomorrow! 23:18 Pentium44 zsoltisawesome, I have to wait till the day afte4r >.> 23:22 zsoltisawesome Pentium44: sux for ya, im hungarian, we do it a bit differently 23:23 zsoltisawesome but i have to bail so bye! 23:23 zsoltisawesome see u sometime in January!