IRC log for #minetest, 2013-12-22

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01:02	kizeren	any reason when I do "make" the percentage on the left is always 55%?
01:12	VanessaE	idk, never happens to me but then, I build in paranoia mode
01:12	VanessaE	(== I rm CMakeCache.txt; make clean; rm -rf /usr/local/share/minetest before I build)
01:13	fairiestoy	I have a little question ( i know, once again ): Is it correct that the engine handles meshes only when they have a sprite-like framesaving instead of a bone-system with keyframes? Not sure, i once read about that, but forgot where or what exactly
01:14	fairiestoy	If yes: Wouldn't a simple bone system be better for media loading, since it reduces the file size?
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01:35	PilzAdam	bye
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01:43	EvergreenTree	o/
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01:44	VanessaE	hey evergreen
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02:02	Jordach	o hai
02:02	VanessaE	hi
02:03	Jordach	fuck sleeping
02:03	Jordach	someone poke that tree
02:03	NekoGloop	How goes the testing of the mines?
02:03	VanessaE	NekoGloop: most tests seem to be failing, as usual. you expected anything different? ;()
02:03	VanessaE	;)
02:04	Jordach	YOU'VE ALREADY SAID THAT!
02:04	VanessaE	(actually, craft guide in UI got fixed, by way of a fix in the engine)
02:04	VanessaE	Jordach: it bears repeating :P
02:05	Jordach	nope. avi
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02:06	DeloX	hello?
02:06	DeloX	new to game here
02:06	EvergreenTree	you traitor!
02:06	VanessaE	hi DeloX
02:06	* EvergreenTree	slaps Jordach
02:06	Jordach	8P
02:07	DeloX	any way to set the resolution on start up?
02:07	DeloX	command line option or somethin?
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02:08	Jordach	you can use full screen mode
02:13	Jordach	-!- Brain activity low: suspending systematic
02:13	Jordach	well fuck
02:14	Jordach	zzzzzzz.....
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03:08	DeloX	sry fore the delay, am back
03:09	DeloX	is there a command line switch to make it fullscreen
03:09	DeloX	?
03:10	ShadowNinja	DeloX: There is a config setting. (And you might be able to specify config settings on the command line)
03:14	DeloX	could you show me the syntax or point me to a config file or guide on the wiki?
03:16	fairiestoy	DeloX: http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Minetest.conf
03:17	fairiestoy	One of the first lines: fullscreen = false/true
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03:37	DeloX	thx for infos
03:37	DeloX	getting some bugs, i will keep on trying stuff
03:43	DeloX	thx again guys
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04:51	pitriss	i want to ask.. is possible to combine textures (texture1^texture2) in item_image_button ?
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06:59	MinetestBot	nore: <sfan5> nice..
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07:34	aaronfranke	Hi, would any of you happen to know how Minetest conducts it's lighting calculations? I'm from the Cubic Chunks thread on MCF, a suggestion for Minecraft to have infinite height, and was told Minetest uses infinite height.
07:41	nore	aaronfranke, lighting is one of the things that cause the most slowness in Minetest
07:41	sfan5	aaronfranke: should be in the source code somewhere: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/tree/master/src
07:42	nore	IIRC it is in map.cpp
07:43	sfan5	what about light.cpp?
07:44	sfan5	hm.. no
07:44	nore	... I remember I saw lighting code when coding minetest.swap_node
07:44	nore	lighting is updated when adding/removing nodes, isn't it?
07:45	sfan5	yes
07:46	nore	sfan5, btw, what was your modified client to take HD screenshots? shouldn't it be possible to have something like that upstream?
07:46	sfan5	https://github.com/sfan5/minetest/tree/8k_screenshot
07:46	sfan5	s/HD/8K/
07:46	sfan5	yes it is possible
07:47	sfan5	also for some reason the screenshot has an alpha channel, but it is enough just to remove it
07:48	aaronfranke	Thank you all for this! What programming language is Minetest written, so we can compare methods with Java?
07:50	aaronfranke	I see it is written in C++ and Lua, which one is the lighting written in?
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07:55	sfan5	aaronfranke: c++
07:56	sfan5	aaronfranke: here is the code https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/map.cpp#L424-571
07:58	aaronfranke	Thanks!
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08:15	sfan5	wants to dl .mkv, site downloads .mkv.exe
08:15	sfan5	nope
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09:53	FreeFull	sfan5: Might try opening the exe up with some program like 7zip to see if there is actually a mkv inside
09:55	sfan5	FreeFull: nope
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09:56	sfan5	it's a <foobar>downloaderspeed super pro premium v13.37
09:58	FreeFull	Ah
09:58	FreeFull	Yeah, off to /dev/null with it
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10:14	VanessaE	hi
10:30	Issa2013	hello
10:30	Issa2013	how are u
10:30	VanessaE	eh.
10:30	Issa2013	i m trying to lunch minetest server on a ubuntu-server
10:30	Issa2013	wihtout interface only command line
10:30	Issa2013	do u think is possbible
10:30	VanessaE	that's how I do it (except, debian. same difference)
10:30	Issa2013	because now i can't
10:31	Issa2013	i want create a php interface to administrate the games
10:31	VanessaE	everyone who runs a dedicated minetest server does so via the command line rather than running it from the gui
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10:32	Issa2013	so why i have this error -->
10:33	Issa2013	http://pastebin.com/MUEcSNkX
10:33	VanessaE	create a new world from the client/gui first.
10:33	Issa2013	how do that from my server
10:33	Issa2013	:/
10:33	VanessaE	and don't try to run it from a directory you don't have write access to
10:33	Calinou	hi
10:34	VanessaE	the problem is the server can't create new worlds, unless that's since been fixed
10:34	VanessaE	it's a known bug
10:34	arsdragonfly	eh,IIRC the dedicated server creates a new world if there isn't
10:34	VanessaE	checks commit log
10:35	VanessaE	nope
10:35	VanessaE	does not appear to have been fixed.
10:35	VanessaE	Issa2013: create a new world on your local host and copy it to your server with rsync or scp or something.
10:36	arsdragonfly	well I've run a dedicated server fine on my phone which doesn't have a GUI
10:36	VanessaE	arsdragonfly: this is a recent bug.
10:36	arsdragonfly	recent?
10:36	VanessaE	mmhm
10:36	VanessaE	past couple of weeks I support
10:36	VanessaE	suppose*
10:37	Issa2013	is better :)
10:37	VanessaE	I'm not sure exactly when it started but the core devs already know about it.
10:37	VanessaE	the server fails to create the initial rollback log database file.
10:38	VanessaE	so basically, since rollback logging went to sqlite or shortly thereafter.
10:38	Issa2013	ok i have my dedicated server ON
10:38	arsdragonfly	in that case a git bisect would help I believe
10:38	VanessaE	Issa2013: nevermind that.
10:38	Issa2013	so now i need to create a php page to get some statistique
10:38	Issa2013	VanessaE, weel i do'nt understand what u says
10:38	Issa2013	but
10:39	VanessaE	Issa2013: you want stats, that's entirely up to you :) but first, get your server up and running properly ;)
10:39	Issa2013	now how i can get information about the game in live to get it on my php page ?
10:39	Calinou	"php page"... personal home page page :D
10:40	Issa2013	i have running my server on virtuabl box
10:40	Issa2013	http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-52b6c18e04aca2.03965039.jpg
10:41	Issa2013	VanessaE, so how get stats please ?
10:42	arsdragonfly	Issa2013: hack into the source code and try using cURL
10:43	arsdragonfly	hmmm, using lua may be a good choice,too
10:43	Issa2013	u says too many word i don't know is
10:44	Issa2013	my favorit is hack into the source code
10:44	Issa2013	how do that
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10:45	Issa2013	well
10:46	VanessaE	Issa2013: stats and such things are entirely up to you.
10:46	VanessaE	you must code those things yourself, minetest does not have such facilities, but you can probably get most of what you need by scraping the log file.
10:47	kaeza	mornings
10:53	Issa2013	VanessaE, where is the log files ?
10:54	Issa2013	how i can edit it ?
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10:54	VanessaE	you don't edit the logs
10:54	VanessaE	you read them
10:54	VanessaE	and they'll be in the minetest directory
10:55	VanessaE	or in the user home directory that is running minetest
10:55	VanessaE	on my server, they are in /home/minetest/.minetest/debug-.txt and /home/minetest/.minetest/moredebug-.txt
10:56	VanessaE	(the latter is just redirecting all console output to a file since the logs don't catch everything)
10:59	Issa2013	ok i see
10:59	Issa2013	so i can get the list of player and that's it
10:59	Issa2013	VanessaE, can i lunch minetest server like daemin
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11:00	Issa2013	so when i lunch my server the game works, and if he crash thent restart automatly ?
11:00	VanessaE	Issa2013: launch*
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11:01	VanessaE	lucnh is when you eat at around 11am to 1pm every day :)
11:01	VanessaE	lunch* too. :P
11:01	twoelk	all VE servers went down?
11:01	VanessaE	twoelk: nightly backups.
11:01	VanessaE	always at this time of night.
11:01	VanessaE	they'll be back in a couple of minutes.
11:01	twoelk	ah noon here
11:02	VanessaE	Issa2013: while true; do sleep 5; minetestserver --foo --something --hello --wut ; done
11:02	VanessaE	fill in the switches of course
11:02	VanessaE	twoelk: for me it is 6am :)
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11:03	VanessaE	twoelk: it is the quietest, least busy on the servers about this time which is why I have the cron set to do the backups now. when it comes back up, it'll be a little laggy as it will be compressing in the background also.
11:03	twoelk	well has to be done at some time
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11:04	twoelk	wonder if an automatic warning message could be send prior to shutdown
11:05	VanessaE	I haven't figured out how to do that yet
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11:05	VanessaE	it's just as well, no one would notice such messages anyways
11:05	VanessaE	no one pays attention to the chat :P
11:06	twoelk	might be so
11:07	twoelk	I noticed the server going down because it left Irc, ingame I was still thatching my roof, wonder at what point the server and my client split
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11:12	twoelk	interesting, my client had let me set about 10 nodes before I left the map manually. 10 nodes after the server was shuting down
11:14	VanessaE	heh
11:14	VanessaE	you'd think the client would deny all actions after receiving the shutdown messae
11:14	VanessaE	message*
11:15	VanessaE	twoelk: my servers - network disconnect due to shutdown for routine backup.
11:15	VanessaE	er.. john_minetest ^^^^^
11:15	twoelk	er VanessaE game
11:15	twoelk	I presume
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11:17	twoelk	ah wait, to be fair, I am using a 0.4.7.xx series client at the momment
11:18	VanessaE	that doesn't matter any
11:18	VanessaE	afaik any client will let you keep placing blocks well after the disconnect message
11:19	twoelk	so it seems
11:20	twoelk	so actually we do need a message ;) "anything build beyond this point in time is an illusion in a virtuall world"
11:20	VanessaE	heh
11:22	twoelk	its but a dream within a dream.........
11:23	Issa2013	VanessaE, where i can see all logs we can see on the debug files logs ?
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11:34	VanessaE	there is one file,
11:34	VanessaE	usually debug.txr
11:34	VanessaE	er debug.txt
11:34	VanessaE	in the minetest folder or in the homedir of the user running the server
11:34	VanessaE	~/.minetest/debug.txt
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11:36	Jordach	hm?
11:36	reactor	?mh
11:37	VanessaE	morning, Jordach
11:37	kaeza	Â¿É¯É¥
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11:38	Jordach	ew, Cyrillic
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11:38	reactor	ÐYÐ¯IÐ“Ð“IÐ
11:38	reactor	yeah
11:39	reactor	Rather,
11:39	reactor	ÐÐ£Ð¯IÐ“Ð“IÐ
11:39	reactor	That.
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11:39	Lynxx	hello does anyone rememeber how to make 2 players appear in single player? xD
11:40	reactor	Lynxx: ?
11:40	reactor	Start the game in server mode on one machie.
11:40	reactor	s/hie/hine/
11:40	reactor	On the other, connect to it.
11:40	reactor	???; PROFIT!
11:40	Lynxx	triying to make 2 clients connect to my singleplayer world
11:41	Lynxx	there was a way but i forgot how it was xD
11:41	VanessaE	>2 clients
11:41	VanessaE	> single player
11:41	VanessaE	O.o
11:41	Lynxx	not singleplayer
11:41	Lynxx	hmm
11:41	VanessaE	:)
11:41	reactor	Exactly, VanessaE.
11:41	Lynxx	let me see if i can explain
11:41	reactor	LAN party, I know.
11:41	Lynxx	something like that
11:41	Lynxx	like a lan
11:41	reactor	Just start the game server mode on one of the machines.
11:41	reactor	Okay?
11:41	VanessaE	just giving you a hard time :)
11:42	Lynxx	haha sorry
11:42	kaeza	that's what she...wait what
11:42	Lynxx	XD
11:42	VanessaE	lol
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11:42	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
11:42	reactor	Hello PillsAdam.
11:42	Lynxx	i think i'm starting to talk nonese from lack of sleep xD
11:42	reactor	-How high are you? -Yes.
11:42	Lynxx	hello PilzAdam
11:43	Lynxx	i'm on coffee...
11:43	reactor	Way to kill your kidneys eh.
11:43	Lynxx	...better than smoking....
11:43	reactor	Definitely.
11:44	Lynxx	anyway ._. anyone know what i'm talking about or am i to sleep deprived to make sense? xD
11:44	reactor	s/to /too /
11:45	reactor	You're not making any sense, pal. Not a byte of it.
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11:45	reactor	If I were you, I would probably go snatch some sleep.
11:47	Jordach	I did that last night and got pm bombed be the tree
11:47	Jordach	fell asleep while helping evergreen!
11:48	Lynxx	oh found the thing i was looking for !!!!
11:48	Lynxx	and i was staring at it for like 20 minutes
11:49	reactor	You definitely should get some sleep, man.
11:50	MinetestBot	Only n00bs need sleep
11:51	reactor	...said a red-eyed dweeb that is falling apart.
11:51	Lynxx	lol
11:51	reactor	s/that/who/
11:51	Lynxx	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2870 this i s what i was looking for :3
11:51	arsdragonfly	of course a bot doesn't need sleep to work
11:51	reactor	If one don't sleep, they get depressed and ugly.
11:52	kaeza	arsdragonfly, no, it needs select() :3
11:52	arsdragonfly	lol
11:52	PilzAdam	posting "Can someone teach me how to make a server?" in "Server Creation Guide" is quite epic
11:52	kaeza	otherwise buh bye to your CPU time
11:52	reactor	Speaking of performance.
11:53	reactor	Does MT still have problem syncing over slow lines?
11:53	reactor	If I host a game, people complain the map is loading only some blocks around them.
11:53	VanessaE	does hydrogen still appear at the top of the periodic table? :)
11:53	reactor	And they can't shoot firearms well there.
11:53	reactor	VanessaE: yeah.
11:54	reactor	Well, there's also positronium. It's element zero.
11:54	reactor	And above are antielements.
11:54	VanessaE	I thought that was neutronium? :)
11:54	VanessaE	anyways
11:54	reactor	Neutronium is unstable.
11:54	VanessaE	yeah, mt still has problems with that.
11:54	reactor	For free neutrons only live for 12 minutes.
11:54	VanessaE	if you have curl and a properly-configured remote media server, it helps to a large degree
11:54	PilzAdam	a positronium is unstable too
11:55	PilzAdam	and it isnt an element
11:55	reactor	...any neutrons are unstable. They all turn into protons. But in nuclei, the electrton they emit gets caught by other protons.
11:56	reactor	That's why nuclei have consistent number of P and N.
11:56	reactor	positronium is unstable yes
11:56	VanessaE	welcome to minetest, where an off-the-cuff rhetorical question meant to imply "yes, obviously" can turn into a discussion on quantum physicas.
11:56	VanessaE	-a
11:56	reactor	Well, it isn't. I'm not sure, though.
11:57	blubblubb	why do larger nuclei have quite a bit more neutrons than protons?
11:57	reactor	VanessaE: so, one can use a FTP server to host media?
11:57	PilzAdam	blubblubb, to be stable
11:57	reactor	...but clients need to have curl compiled in?
11:57	PilzAdam	otherwise the protons would just move apart
11:57	VanessaE	Lynxx: don't follow that guide you linked to - it uses remobo. that's evil. everyone will hate you.
11:57	VanessaE	reactor: no.
11:57	VanessaE	http.
11:57	Lynxx	no not gonna use remobo
11:57	reactor	blubblubb: to be stable, yes.
11:58	blubblubb	ic
11:58	Lynxx	just wanted to take screen shots of the changes i did to the skin experimenting with some stuff :#
11:58	blubblubb	qcd and all that I suppose
11:58	reactor	Because without them, electrostatic forces would be too strong and tear the nucleus apart.
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11:58	PilzAdam	blubblubb, that is because the electromagnetic force that pushes protons apart has a higher "range" than the force that "glues" neutrons an protons together
11:58	VanessaE	(strong vs. weak nuclear forces, isn't it?)
11:59	reactor	See the bonding energy in drop model.
11:59	VanessaE	been way too long since I read up on this stuff
11:59	PilzAdam	(Im not quite sure about the english terms)
11:59	reactor	Hmm.
11:59	blubblubb	VanessaE: no, strong force and electromagnetism
11:59	reactor	weak interaction is observed in beta decay
11:59	VanessaE	right
11:59	VanessaE	ok
11:59	reactor	blubblubb: right, that
11:59	blubblubb	or, electroweak I should say
11:59	PilzAdam	its always funny to translate the stuff you learned in german into english
11:59	reactor	electroweak is for high energies
12:00	blubblubb	since EM and the weak force have been unified
12:00	reactor	The higher energy the more symmetry.
12:00	blubblubb	ah
12:00	* VanessaE	throws a few tau neutrinos at blubblubb
12:00	reactor	not very high energies for electroweak, though
12:00	* blubblubb	skillfully dodges dodges them
12:00	PilzAdam	VanessaE, dont throw too fast
12:00	Jordach	this channel went critical mass. ..
12:01	reactor	Heh.
12:01	blubblubb	does minetest have nuclear reactors yet?
12:01	VanessaE	yes
12:02	VanessaE	technic mod.
12:02	PilzAdam	IIRC technic has
12:02	reactor	...mkay.
12:02	blubblubb	hah. of course it does :)
12:02	PilzAdam	.... but I guess they are not too realistic
12:02	reactor	They're controlled automatically, right?
12:02	VanessaE	yeah
12:02	blubblubb	quite recently I discovered that there's a mod to get nuclear reactors in KSP too
12:02	reactor	You can't make them go Chernobyl, right?
12:02	Jordach	http://what-if.xkcd.com/1/
12:02	kaeza	>complains about realistic games >complains about non-realistic mods
12:02	PilzAdam	blubblubb, oO
12:02	VanessaE	you put fuel in, they "run" for a long while and shut off, they don't explode when tampered with but they do shut down
12:03	blubblubb	and antimatter reactors
12:03	* Evolykane	trows some cogh-syrup in the round
12:03	blubblubb	right, the interstellar mod it was
12:03	reactor	s/trow/throw/
12:03	reactor	Fuck.
12:03	reactor	.-1s/trow/throw/
12:03	reactor	Dodgy.
12:03	Jordach	VE tell that to technic
12:03	PilzAdam	kaeza, I complain about games/mods that want to be realistic and I complain about games/mods that try to be realistic but fail at it
12:04	kaeza	>logic=0
12:05	reactor	Evolykane: what's the deal with cough syrup?
12:05	* reactor	throws some itch powder in Evolykane's face.
12:05	reactor	You're gonna need it yousrself now.
12:05	reactor	Have fun.
12:06	thexyz	why do you think this mod tries to be realistic?
12:06	PilzAdam	RBA told me that
12:06	thexyz	my opinion is that it just tries to make the game fun to play by adding a concept widely known (reactor, nuclear power, etc) but simplified
12:07	thexyz	no one would play a game where you have to control a "real" reactor because it'd be boring
12:08	VanessaE	I dunno
12:08	VanessaE	people play sim city
12:08	VanessaE	railroiad tycoon
12:08	VanessaE	all those old games like that
12:08	thexyz	well all those are simple
12:08	VanessaE	-i
12:08	VanessaE	yes
12:08	thexyz	so that only proves my point
12:08	VanessaE	but they give you tons of controls for what they do
12:08	PilzAdam	building your own reactor in this is quite nice: http://powdertoy.co.uk/
12:08	thexyz	now make a game as realistic as it can be
12:09	reactor	...why not make mods have two modes: "easy" and "realistic", so that everyone's satisfied?
12:10	VanessaE	but still you are right - cram too much reality into the gameplay and it ceases to be fun
12:10	reactor	...depends where.
12:11	reactor	Realism is good in flight simulators.
12:11	reactor	And such.
12:11	PilzAdam	realistic hunger for example is not boring
12:11	reactor	PilzAdam: and yes, that.
12:11	reactor	Minecraft-y health system would be nice, too.
12:12	thexyz	having a realistic server which could realistically serve more than 5 realistic clients without any realistic lags would be good too
12:13	PilzAdam	but thats impossible
12:13	VanessaE	bbl
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12:14	thexyz	why?
12:15	PilzAdam	0 lag is impossible because information cant move faster than the light
12:15	thexyz	well now you're being picky
12:16	thexyz	because we both know what we're talking about
12:17	PilzAdam	well, I was just part of a discussion about quantum phyiscs, so....
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12:22	markveidemanis	Hi
12:26	reactor	markveidemanis: HELO
12:26	reactor	Speaking of entanglement.
12:26	reactor	They're not using it in communications yet, are they?
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12:49	Megaf	!up minetest.megaf.info 30003
12:49	MinetestBot	minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (275ms)
12:49	reactor	.-2s/viabl/vailabl/
12:56	SirDigby	Megaf: Is that some script
12:56	SirDigby	oh i see
12:56	SirDigby	derp
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13:03	sepi	How can I explicitely spawn mobs from the mobs framework mod?
13:03	reactor	Weed?
13:05	sepi	hmm weed :)
13:06	Exio4	did i read weed
13:07	sepi	^^
13:07	jin_xi	smoke weed every day
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13:08	sepi	how about spawning mobs?
13:08	tuedel	weed?
13:09	SirDigby	ery day
13:09	SirDigby	fuck that
13:10	SirDigby	StarTalk Radio has new vids
13:11	SirDigby	can i ask yall something, movies
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13:17	Evolykane	Is there a towny like mod for minetest
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13:31	sepi	now I can spawn mobs but they only appear as an "unknown object" object
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13:32	PilzAdam	sepi, mobf does some weird stuff so you cant really spawn them with /spawnentity
13:32	PilzAdam	(in simplemobs its not a problem)
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13:35	nore	Evolykane, do you mean, a mod that adds towns?
13:35	sepi	PilzAdam: I see
13:35	sepi	PilzAdam: but I also don't seem to have the /mobf command installed
13:35	Evolykane	Towns for multiplayer, like the minecraft plugin towny
13:35	nore	if so, you can try mg: it makes its own mapgen, which includes villages randomly spawned
13:35	sepi	but I can see the mod in the game menu
13:36	PilzAdam	Evolykane, stop assuming that people here know Minecraft mods
13:36	nore	but I don't know if that is really what you are looking for
13:36	Evolykane	PilzAdam: Plugins ^^
13:36	PilzAdam	sepi, have you enabled the mod for your world?
13:36	PilzAdam	Evolykane, mods ^^
13:37	sepi	PilzAdam: not that I know of :P
13:37	sepi	PilzAdam: how to?
13:37	PilzAdam	sepi, click on "Configure" in the world list
13:37	sepi	PilzAdam: awesomet, thanks a lot :)
13:44	reactor	mobf();
13:44	Evolykane	http://code.google.com/a/eclipselabs.org/p/towny/
13:44	sepi	reactor: ?
13:44	sepi	So does the mobf menu not allow me to spawn animals?
13:44	Evolykane	or here https://sites.google.com/site/menexiamc/in-depth-towns
13:45	Evolykane	Textdescription of the Plugin
13:47	Evolykane	Towny is a good known extension for minecraft Multiplayer Servers. Half of the large minecraft servers uses it.
13:48	Evolykane	Is there a mod where Players can found there own towns?
13:52	reactor	sepi: ?
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13:54	reactor	john_minetest: hello everybrony.
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13:57	reactor	I care so much!
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14:06	proller	first spam inside game chat detected
14:06	reactor	?!
14:07	reactor	Someone created a spambot?
14:07	reactor	Autokick should probably be introduced.
14:07	reactor	And/or autoban.
14:09	proller	maybe manual
14:09	proller	meggage
14:09	reactor	?
14:09	proller	message
14:09	proller	was
14:09	reactor	Yeah. Probably server log message for the sysop.
14:09	reactor	...I wish MT server had rcon.
14:10	reactor	Preferrably via FIFO.
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14:10	reactor	Rather, UNIX socket.
14:11	proller	now it not a problem
14:17	Evolykane	Hm ok, how to add mods in the online mod repository?
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15:06	zash	no, can't have nice things!
15:06	reactor	Same shit in UNIX nowadays, john_minetest.
15:06	reactor	People tend to use Dbus instead of sockets.
15:07	reactor	HAL instead of device nodes.
15:07	reactor	All that shit.
15:07	reactor	Disgusting.
15:07	reactor	Oh, and Pulseaudio instead of in-kernel sound processing.
15:07	zash	Don't Dbus go over a socket?
15:07	reactor	zash: idk.
15:08	reactor	Dbus was intended as replacement for sockets.
15:08	reactor	Poettering's shit.
15:09	reactor	Well, we're talking about the same problem.
15:09	reactor	People don't want to learn propa stuff.
15:09	reactor	They think of it as "complicated".
15:10	reactor	And use solutions which are easily handled, but too complicated under the hood.
15:10	FreeFull	SDL2 is nothing like Gamemaker
15:10	reactor	When some whacker like that breaks, problems arise.
15:11	reactor	And people cry a lot.
15:11	reactor	Yep.
15:11	reactor	Worse is better.
15:11	FreeFull	SDL2 is a huge toolbox. Gamemaker is a DIY kit
15:11	reactor	That is, the less complicated it is under the hood, the better it workd.
15:11	reactor	s/kd/ks/
15:12	reactor	Heh.
15:12	reactor	Same about UNIX vs. Wintendo.
15:13	FreeFull	Gamemaker doesn't do everything for you anyway once you get into more advanced stuff
15:13	FreeFull	Worst thing about it is portability
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15:21	thexyz	those shitheads also use C++ instead of assembly those days
15:21	thexyz	what retards
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15:22	reactor	thexyz: ?
15:22	reactor	What's wrong about C?
15:23	iqualfragile	reactor: isnt it obvious? too much bloat
15:23	reactor	?
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15:23	jin_xi	its like a boolean float
15:23	reactor	iqualfragile: What are you talking about? C or game engines?
15:23	iqualfragile	c
15:23	thexyz	or C++?
15:23	reactor	I don't get it.
15:23	reactor	C/C++.
15:24	reactor	iqualfragile: you probably should stop referring IDEs as languages, mate.
15:24	reactor	Seriously, it's your bloody problem if you're using C++ Bulder.
15:24	iqualfragile	both, too much overhead, should have used assembly, has much less overhead and is therefore faster and better
15:25	reactor	That shit needs to die a gruesome, violent death.
15:25	reactor	Assembly is not suitable for physics.
15:25	Exio4	[12:07:30] <reactor> Oh, and Pulseaudio instead of in-kernel sound processing.
15:25	Exio4	real men use jackd
15:25	reactor	Jackd is for real-time sound, Exio4.
15:26	reactor	I don't care about small delays here, okay?
15:26	thexyz	oh those people discussing speed, assembly and c++
15:26	Exio4	i've jackd on autostart
15:26	reactor	john_minetest: physics have to deal with floating-point data types and vectors.
15:26	Exio4	zero problems reactor!
15:26	thexyz	do you honestly believe you can optimize code better than GCC can do it?
15:26	Exio4	yes, using intel compiler (in intel cpus)
15:26	reactor	Good luck doing those in assembly, john_minetest. It must take you whole life.
15:26	iqualfragile	reactor: where is the problem?
15:27	Exio4	or optimized compilers for some archs :P
15:27	reactor	john_minetest: not C++.
15:27	reactor	Okay?
15:27	iqualfragile	john_minetest: nope
15:27	thexyz	Exio4: you
15:27	reactor	C++ is written in C++. Compiler compiles into machine code.
15:27	Exio4	you can make a C++ compiler in basic
15:27	iqualfragile	gcc is actually quite awsome at optimizing, allmost allways better then humans
15:27	Exio4	but it is part of the implementation side
15:27	zash	There's more than one C++ compiler, right
15:27	thexyz	you can make a c++ compiler in any turing complete language
15:28	reactor	right
15:28	thexyz	but I don't understand the point you're trying to bring, what's it?
15:28	iqualfragile	lets write a c++ compiler using a dual-stack machine!
15:28	Exio4	also, compilers don't compile into machine code, but other languages
15:28	Exio4	emscripten compiles to javascript
15:28	Exio4	compiles
15:28	thexyz	indeed
15:29	Exio4	you could also have interpreted C
15:29	Exio4	and it is still C
15:29	* Exio4	looks at cint
15:30	thexyz	less talk more code!
15:30	Exio4	who cares about coding
15:30	Exio4	discussing useless shit makes minetest grown!
15:30	Exio4	grow*
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15:30	Exio4	it is all kaeza's fault
15:31	kaeza	yes it is
15:31	kaeza	no u
15:31	thexyz	ah right
15:31	reactor	Err.
15:31	thexyz	I'm trying to profile this shit
15:31	reactor	I think iqualfragile and john_minetest deserve a smack.
15:31	thexyz	I've figured out software never works
15:32	iqualfragile	reactor: i think you need to improve your irony detection skills
15:32	thexyz	perhaps someone can suggest a profiler?
15:32	Exio4	yeah john_minetest
15:32	reactor	iqualfragile: text-only communication is not suitable for sarcasm.
15:33	reactor	I see what you're saying, but I don't see HOW you're saying it.
15:33	Exio4	thexyz: I don't really know, never worked with code that should be fast enough to get profiled ;P
15:33	reactor	And irony is mostly detected by how something is said.
15:33	Exio4	reactor: you can guess by the way they say it
15:33	reactor	I can't hear your voice, and I can't see your facial expression.
15:33	reactor	Okay?
15:33	iqualfragile	john_minetest: me too
15:33	thexyz	john_minetest: trolls trolling trolls
15:33	Exio4	you can read what I say
15:33	thexyz	Exio4: the problem is that it's slow
15:34	reactor	Hey, I am not a troll.
15:34	thexyz	(minetest)
15:34	Exio4	didn't know!
15:34	iqualfragile	thexyz: which part exactly are you profiling?
15:34	* reactor	loudly slaps iqualfragile and john_minetest. "That is preemptive".
15:35	thexyz	iqualfragile: hmm.. everything? the server loop, I want to know what parts are slow and what locks waste the most time
15:36	iqualfragile	thexyz: ah, ok, quite strange that nobody done that yet
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15:39	thexyz	iqualfragile: perhaps because there are no tools
15:39	iqualfragile	there are tool for profiling
15:40	thexyz	what are those?
15:41	iqualfragile	lets see
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15:42	iqualfragile	thexyz: http://sysprof.com/
15:42	iqualfragile	i used this when i needed to profile something the last time
15:43	thexyz	can it profile locks?
15:44	thexyz	I'm currently trying Intel VTune
15:44	thexyz	it works fine on Windows, but doesn't on my Gentoo system
15:45	thexyz	so I have to run it inside virtualbox ;_;
15:45	iqualfragile	urgh
15:45	iqualfragile	i have no idea
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15:48	thexyz	I see
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15:56	rubenwardy	Hi all
15:56	reactor	EHLO rubber man.
15:57	reactor	How's the science with Shitland C++ Destroyer?
15:58	thexyz	here's my setup http://i.imgur.com/qFKd7Ve.png
15:58	thexyz	how do you like it?
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16:00	reactor	thexyz: what is that program that tracks CPU time?
16:01	reactor	Peacock: o/
16:01	thexyz	reactor: ah, the one inside the VM? it's written at the top, it's Intel VTune Amplifier
16:01	reactor	I wonder what a pea-shaped cock would look like.
16:01	Peacock	howdy
16:02	reactor	oh.
16:02	reactor	I see.
16:02	thexyz	it's free for linux and non-commercial use
16:02	Peacock	like this http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsT/tve17101-22-23.gif :P
16:02	thexyz	but it didn't work very well for me
16:02	thexyz	so I had to take a Windows trial
16:03	Peacock	i prefer Cardassian trials, the sentences are determined well in advance <Dukat>
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16:06	thexyz	what if I just replace it with std::bitset
16:06	thexyz	(so much bloat)
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16:20	paramat	Solstice greetings, new mod https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8066
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16:28	Jordach	now where's that tree :P
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16:34	EvergreenTree	<Jordach>get yo f*cking @ss on the irc
16:34	EvergreenTree	So here I am
16:34	EvergreenTree	:P
16:34	Jordach	finally :P
16:36	Peacock	you have a thing for evergreen's ass :P
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16:36	EvergreenTree	trees don't have an @ss
16:37	EvergreenTree	You should know that
16:38	Peacock	hm, maybe he's after your wood then XD
16:38	Jordach	plol
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16:45	Jordach	hey aspie
16:45	reactor	AspieMint
16:45	AspireMint	Hello
16:46	reactor	EHLO
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16:52	raffahacks	Hi megaf
16:53	raffahacks	VanessaE, just found u in Actuve Contributors list :)
16:53	raffahacks	Congratulations
17:10	thexyz	with some hacks (like disabling block heat and mapgen completely) I can now get to 100 clients @ localhost
17:10	thexyz	(this means the game is still smooth)
17:10	thexyz	although it's "minimal"
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17:13	* Jordach	kicks back
17:13	Jordach	http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-221213-171313.php
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17:25	harrison	john_minetest: maybe you would like steve reich (composer)
17:25	harrison	if you like glass probably you will like reich
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17:27	thexyz	with 1000 clients my load average got over 500 so I had to stop the experiment
17:27	reactor	`1
17:27	reactor	!*
17:28	reactor	block heat?
17:28	zash	1000 clients doing what?
17:28	reactor	Idling.
17:29	reactor	Stading around, smelling, being useless.
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17:29	zash	Wat
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17:31	thexyz	that's with --random-input
17:31	thexyz	they actually will perform more than players (just a guess)
17:32	reactor	oh
17:32	reactor	they don't dig or build, do they?
17:32	reactor	I might be mistaken.
17:33	troller	they dig randomly and moves nonstop
17:33	thexyz	part of server log https://gist.github.com/xyzz/2772c851cdb73cb2391b/raw/16a625b9c5c9ad85f86c4686fa833b6b676ef99d/gistfile1.txt
17:34	thexyz	after `killall -9 freeminer` https://gist.github.com/xyzz/d775dd07057ab6c8982e/raw/15c91f685b8d7d5d50aacfd0ba3f94f277895fdc/gistfile1.txt
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17:37	thexyz	I think I've got to 552 online, but at this point the game was unplayable
17:37	reactor	thexyz: do they put block?
17:37	thexyz	don't have much hardware
17:37	reactor	s/ck/cks/
17:37	thexyz	reactor: yes
17:38	reactor	k
17:38	thexyz	or, wait
17:38	thexyz	I think they should
17:38	reactor	Do they chat?
17:38	Issa2013	zzZz
17:38	thexyz	no
17:38	reactor	Issa2013: I care so much.
17:39	thexyz	you can check RandomInputHandler class in main.cpp if you want to know what they do
17:42	reactor	Aighty.
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17:51	harrison	link pls
17:51	harrison	we can listen at the same time
17:52	harrison	nice
17:52	MinetestBot	GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Merge pull request #26 from kaeza/wut https://gi 2013-12-22T09:52:17-08:00 http://git.io/4YPwfg
17:52	MinetestBot	GIT: kaeza commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Fix crashes in GUI button. https://gi 2013-12-20T21:06:32-08:00 http://git.io/QFaUGg
17:53	harrison	conlon nancarrow met harry partch once
17:53	harrison	they didn't like each other
17:53	harrison	the incident is discussed in kyle gann's book on nancarrow
17:57	harrison	if you concentrate it is REALLY amazing
17:57	harrison	how about partch?
18:02	harrison	that glass piece IS nice
18:02	harrison	partch was more than just drums
18:02	harrison	you should read his book
18:02	harrison	genesis of a music
18:03	harrison	microtonal
18:03	harrison	in the best sense of the word
18:05	harrison	this is not typical of partch but it is my favorite piece
18:05	harrison	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSToApF6eN0
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18:07	harrison	ear candy
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18:08	harrison	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwMYhUQRF8o
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18:09	harrison	and of course .... the great chilean singer constanza biagini!
18:09	reactor	Lament for my cock. Sore and crucified, I seek to know you.
18:11	specing	Megaf: somebody is complaining of being griefed
18:11	SirDigby	fucking slayer, but, harry putter
18:12	SirDigby	what instrument is that
18:13	harrison	surrogate kithara
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18:14	SirDigby	I seen it played, I'm next door to a japanees garden
18:16	SirDigby	no thank you. for your 2nd link
18:19	thexyz	why do those people take the first available versions of minetest and fork it?
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18:44	thexyz	i herd you laik videos?
18:44	thexyz	john_minetest: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=122782#p122782
18:45	thexyz	shit youtube takes forever to process my video
18:45	PilzAdam	s/youtube/google/
18:45	thexyz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hny6ovvGR3Y
18:45	thexyz	enjoy yer 360p
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18:46	troller	Your browser does not currently recognize any of the video formats available.
18:46	EvergreenTree	^ simplescreenrecorder!
18:46	PilzAdam	thexyz, fale
18:46	PilzAdam	*fake
18:47	MinetestBot	GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Update worldedit_gui to work with latest unified_inventory. https://gi 2013-12-22T10:46:59-08:00 http://git.io/ZD__GQ
18:50	MinetestBot	GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Update worldedit_gui to work with latest unified_inventory (thanks LazyJ!). https://gi 2013-12-22T10:48:56-08:00 http://git.io/z_pCvw
18:52	thexyz	PilzAdam: why?
18:52	MinetestBot	GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Add a screenshot to the README. https://gi 2013-12-22T10:51:50-08:00 http://git.io/SMWaFA
18:52	PilzAdam	you speeded it up
18:52	EvergreenTree	^
18:52	EvergreenTree	plol
18:53	troller	and add 90 fake bots!
18:54	thexyz	PilzAdam: nice try but there is time in server log
18:58	thexyz	I've edited the description
19:00	thexyz	please like and subscribe!!
19:02	thexyz	they do, how else would they otherwise dig?
19:02	thexyz	those are just clients with --random-input and video driver set to null
19:02	thexyz	so they are not fake
19:04	Miner_48er	Is there any way to repair or remove a corrupt chunk?
19:05	thexyz	john_minetest: yes
19:05	thexyz	there are some hacks though, read the description
19:05	PilzAdam	Miner_48er, there is an option to tell Minetest to re-generate it
19:05	Miner_48er	what option?
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19:07	troller	PilzAdam, 68 max players on "Sky" - fake too!
19:07	troller	and now 48 fake!
19:07	thexyz	john_minetest: not sure
19:07	thexyz	ask troller
19:08	thexyz	(wait, I don't know who actually coded this)
19:08	PilzAdam	Miner_48er, eh, cant remember now
19:10	phantombeta	Hi
19:10	phantombeta	How are you?
19:10	iqualfragile	john_minetest: yes it is
19:11	phantombeta	I'm good...
19:11	thexyz	http://forum.freeminer.org/threads/getting-the-most-out-of-freeminer-server.48/
19:11	iqualfragile	john_minetest: no
19:11	troller	john_minetest, heat for weather, freezing, ...
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19:13	EvergreenTree	o/ Enke
19:13	thexyz	john_minetest: it's impossible to generate everything in advance
19:13	Enke	hi EvergreeenTree
19:13	thexyz	but generating a small area is probably a nice idea to work on
19:14	iqualfragile	thexyz: hey, looks realy nice
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19:15	thexyz	iqualfragile: indeed it does!
19:17	thexyz	like and subscribe for more funny videos!
19:17	iqualfragile	thexyz: stfu
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19:18	thexyz	why? :(
19:23	Jordach	hmmm https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=122749#p122749
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19:29	Jordach	http://bestofcardsagainsthumanity.tumblr.com/
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19:37	harrison	it is as i feared
19:39	harrison	cisoun
19:40	harrison	you might have a bit of loyalty to yr old compatriot of underground
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19:43	harrison	Advertising is the rattling of a stick inside a swill bucket. -- George Orwell
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19:56	Calinou	something is fast according to thexyz for once! :D
19:56	thexyz	something I made is fast!
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20:00	thexyz	buildcraft is more than 260k installs now it seems
20:04	kizeren	How does one go about fixing corrupt chunks/blocks.
20:04	iqualfragile	kizeren: well, you will need a goat or a virgin
20:05	iqualfragile	and 5 candles
20:05	kizeren	I have a wife I can sacrafice.
20:05	iqualfragile	did you just call your wife a goat?
20:05	kizeren	ShadowNinja said I could open the map.sqlite and use a u64 hash to delete blocks...
20:05	kizeren	but he lost me there.
20:05	cisoun	harrison: o/
20:06	cisoun	what the hell did happen to you ?
20:06	iqualfragile	thexyz: yes, i can see that on my server
20:06	iqualfragile	milions of clients not supporting httpfetch
20:06	PilzAdam	kizeren, you can calculate the hash according to doc/mapformat.txt
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20:09	specing	You know what is weird
20:09	specing	On megaf's server there is a wooden fence submerged in lava
20:09	specing	it doesen't burn.
20:10	Calinou	fences don't burn
20:10	Calinou	(I think)
20:11	ShadowNinja	specing: No air for the fire.
20:11	Calinou	stuff doesn't burn if it's encased by other nodes too
20:12	Miner_48er	has anyone suggested a way to change the day/night ratio?
20:13	specing	ShadowNinja: theres air, otherwise I wouldn't be able to look at it
20:13	specing	anyway, the fence sticking out
20:13	specing	its hilarious to look at
20:14	Calinou	Miner_48er, time_speed ?
20:14	Calinou	or do you mean ratio? then you would have to make a mod for that :/
20:14	Calinou	specing, how do you see that fence?
20:14	Calinou	screenshot?
20:15	Miner_48er	no that effects time I would like a longer day then night
20:15	PilzAdam	one could write a mod that changes time_speed at night to a higher value
20:17	Miner_48er	ok maybe that can be included as a conf option in later additions adding to issues for enhancement
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20:21	specing	< Calinou> fences don't burn
20:21	specing	video game logic.
20:22	Calinou	you could fix it
20:22	Calinou	talking about that, the tools REALLY need a rebalance
20:22	Calinou	tools are too slow, and some of them are useless
20:25	thexyz	do that?
20:25	thexyz	I don't think any minetest dev is willing to spend time on such problem
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20:29	Exio4	media still loading
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20:34	thexyz	Exio4: what's your speed?
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20:34	thexyz	Exio4: there's 10 mb of media, enjoy
20:35	Exio4	256kbps
20:35	Exio4	+ overhead
20:36	Peacock	at 256kb, i can DL a movie in appx. 15 minutes
20:36	Exio4	256kbps
20:36	Exio4	not kb/s
20:36	Peacock	kbps !== kb/s ?
20:36	Exio4	i download at 25KiB/s
20:36	Exio4	Peacock: yeah, but you're using the wrong kb there
20:36	Peacock	i thought kbps was kilobytes per second
20:37	Exio4	bits
20:37	Exio4	not bytes
20:37	Peacock	ah well who the fuck measures connections in bits per second since the advent of 28k modems lol
20:37	Exio4	ALL the people measures networks at that speed
20:38	troller	bits for marketing only
20:38	Peacock	well in these parts its mostly mbps, or at worst kb (kilobytes) per second
20:38	thexyz	uhh, then there's 10 MEGABYTES of media
20:38	thexyz	because I'm too lazy to learn this stuff
20:38	thexyz	mb, MB, mB, Mb
20:38	Peacock	lol seriously
20:38	Exio4	i'm just saying 256MiB is 8 times more than 256MB
20:39	thexyz	Exio4: wait a bit
20:39	Exio4	Mb
20:39	Exio4	or whatever
20:39	thexyz	Mi != M
20:39	Exio4	yeah
20:39	kaeza	thexyz, it's easy: http://xkcd.com/394/
20:39	specing	< Calinou> tools are too slow, and some of them are useless
20:39	Exio4	i got confused now
20:39	thexyz	256 MiB = 256 mebibytes
20:39	thexyz	256 Mb = 256 megabits?
20:39	specing	Calinou: look at what they add to the Minerealms server: talonite-- lasts atleast 4 times as long as mese and mines twice as fast
20:39	thexyz	1 mebibyte = 1024 kibibytes
20:39	specing	added*
20:40	thexyz	1 megabyte = 1000 kilobytes
20:40	thexyz	1 mebibyte = 1 MiB
20:40	thexyz	1 megabyte = 1 MB
20:40	Exio4	1+1=2
20:40	thexyz	IT'S SO EASY
20:40	Peacock	jesus can't we just measure things like normal people in kilobytes, megabytes and terrabytes lol
20:41	Peacock	*terabytes
20:41	harrison	cisoun i was starting to say -- i made a gruelingly explanatory film and now nobody will say anything about it --
20:41	thexyz	so kilobyte is 1000 bytes, right?
20:41	Exio4	Peacock: the terabytes of your harddisks are using base 10
20:41	thexyz	I mean, it's right
20:41	Exio4	not base 2
20:41	harrison	no comments at youtube, no comments on irc, nothing
20:41	Exio4	yeah thexyz
20:41	Peacock	well kilo anything is 10*
20:41	Peacock	kilometer = 1000 metres
20:41	Calinou	specing, I mean, wood/stone/iron tools
20:41	thexyz	but some people think that 1 kilobyte = 1024 bytes
20:41	Exio4	i would love that to be true
20:42	harrison	and i thought you cisoun might say something for old times sake
20:42	thexyz	too much confusion
20:42	Exio4	yeah
20:42	Exio4	1+1=3 now
20:42	harrison	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPGmuexvw_A
20:42	harrison	same link as before
20:42	harrison	only 3? not 3.07 or so?
20:44	thexyz	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=122803#p122803 inb4 all minetest servers get dos'd
20:44	Exio4	i'm getting bored
20:44	Peacock	ironically bots might be more efficient than mobs lol
20:45	Exio4	not really
20:45	harrison	i am not a bot
20:45	Exio4	the network overhead ...
20:45	harrison	nor efficient, really
20:46	Peacock	well mobs are handled within the engine, i imagine bots would have their own outside process
20:47	Exio4	the network and interaction to other shit will still be handle in-engine
20:47	Exio4	that just adds more overhead versus properly done mobs
20:47	Exio4	kaeza: do you have an asha?
20:47	Exio4	aww
20:47	Peacock	well i could be an old man before we get properly done mobs lol
20:48	kaeza	wtf is wrong with the Asha?
20:48	harrison	it is not fun, trust me
20:48	harrison	the sere and withered leaf
20:48	Exio4	i want a 311
20:48	Exio4	or 511 really
20:48	Exio4	but 311 = cheap and easy to get
20:48	PilzAdam	thexyz, remove it if you think that people get how to DoS with taht
20:48	PilzAdam	*that
20:48	thexyz	don't know
20:49	Peacock	well the connections all come from the same IP right?
20:49	Peacock	unless someone goes to the trouble of creating a minetest botnet with the code, should be easy enough to pick up on
20:51	thexyz	of course
20:51	thexyz	if the server administrator is online
20:51	Exio4	that is the downside of enet
20:51	Exio4	too easy to implement botnets!
20:51	Exio4	thexyz: i don't think i will ever be able to connect
20:51	Peacock	well geoip was easy enough to do, just use on player join to keep a list of active IPs and deny connections if more of the same try to connect
20:52	Exio4	i would rate-limit it
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20:52	thexyz	Exio4: why are you so impatient?
20:52	thexyz	ambient mod is loading
20:52	thexyz	wait for it
20:53	Exio4	started 30 minutes ago :P
20:55	thexyz	well what can I do
20:55	Exio4	i don't know
20:55	kaeza	maybe it's better for thexyz to take a plane and bring an USB stick with the media than to wait for Exio4 to download <.<
20:56	thexyz	perhaps
20:56	Exio4	we should try
20:56	Calinou	ambient mod, annoying since 2012
20:56	Calinou	(is that the mod that plays sounds in the background?)
20:57	Exio4	you're annoying too
20:57	Exio4	dealwithit
20:57	* Calinou	deals dogecoin with Exio4
21:01	Megaf	Hi all
21:02	thexyz	reposting https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8074
21:02	* john_minetest	gives Dogecoins to Exio4
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21:04	Peacock	very profit, much hookers, wow
21:05	* sfan5	taps john_minetest
21:05	thexyz	there's also fedoracoin now
21:05	thexyz	http://boards.4chan.org/g/res/38975955
21:07	thexyz	gitorious still haven't banned C+=
21:07	thexyz	i guess they just don't have ban functionality implemented
21:09	blubblubb	is that the joke language created by clueless neckbeards?
21:11	thexyz	I guess it could be described that way
21:12	harrison	ooh you must be so sophisticated blubblubb
21:12	harrison	the casual way you insult other people you know nothing about -- so masterful
21:13	blubblubb	dude it's /g/
21:17	harrison	http://i.4cdn.org/g/src/1387736619398.jpg
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21:18	blubblubb	internet fight!
21:18	harrison	gormless pseudotroll
21:21	Peacock	petaQs
21:21	harrison	i saw what you did
21:21	NakedFury	minetest needs gormless pseudotrolls as mobs
21:21	harrison	and i know where you live
21:22	Peacock	^ reinforcing the stalker geek stereotype :P
21:22	harrison	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrfvIr7cfbY
21:22	harrison	nsfw
21:22	blubblubb	you must get all the ladies
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21:24	Peacock	"you must get all the ladies" - Ariel Castro
21:24	Calinou	Peacock, harrison, blubblubb, try not to fight or do such discussions
21:24	Peacock	what such discussions?
21:24	harrison	he started it
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21:26	harrison	i think he is from 4chan
21:26	harrison	you will never find a more wretched hive etc
21:26	Peacock	dunno everytime i mention stalker geeks calinou reacts :P i guess someone's feeling targeted even though that wasn't my intent :P
21:27	harrison	how dare you sir
21:27	harrison	how dare you
21:27	* Peacock	slaps harrison with a white glove
21:27	Calinou	Peacock, I'm not feeling targeted but please don't perpetrate such stereotypes
21:27	harrison	it was not peacock
21:27	Peacock	well why do you care if it doesn't apply to you :P
21:27	Calinou	it'd be better if we looked less creepy, so that the community is more welcoming
21:27	harrison	it was blubblubb who is at fault
21:28	Calinou	(people can read the logs here)
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21:28	Peacock	well people tend to participate first then find out about the logs
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21:28	Peacock	reading the logs first then joining the chat does sound slightly more creepy though
21:28	harrison	i keep mine own record logs of all that transpires herein
21:29	Peacock	jesus i have a hard time simply holding onto all my receipts lol
21:29	harrison	i use the log when i draw up my list
21:29	harrison	and you are ALL on the list
21:29	harrison	mwahahaha
21:31	harrison	Peacock, do you ever long for a channel where you can post ascii art without fear?
21:31	Peacock	meh, after win 3.1 i lost interest lol
21:32	Peacock	and even then i played more Commander Keen than anything else
21:32	harrison	because i was going to invite you to #spasim
21:32	harrison	but never mind then
21:33	Peacock	i rarely remember channel names, i didn't even think IRC was still in use before i came to minetest :P
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21:35	harrison	well, we have a radical all-ops policy
21:35	harrison	if you want to join
21:35	harrison	you will see
21:35	Peacock	you mean like half the forums' active members are moderators? XD
21:36	harrison	#spasim
21:36	harrison	i am being friendly
21:36	harrison	it does not happen much
21:41	Peacock	im busy plotting the invasion of Zaire
21:43	Peacock	after that, Rhodesia and Czechoslovakia
21:48	Peacock	somewhere in Africa i think
21:50	Peacock	the joke is that none of those countries exist anymore lol
21:50	Peacock	zaire = congo, Czechoslovakia= czeck, Slovakia, Rhodesia = zimbabwe
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21:59	thexyz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD0eNN4F6P4
22:05	Exio4	I'm never falling again ~
22:06	ShadowNinja	thexyz: What patches did you have for the 100 bot test? enet?
22:07	Exio4	he rewrote minetest in visual basic
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22:11	ShadowNinja	thexyz: assert(0); isn't valid(in your branch) Release builds won't crash there. Use abort(), terminate(), exit() or similar. (And use errorstream above)
22:12	harrison	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4Bl6BHXqUg
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22:23	MinetestBot	GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest_game: Allow changing screwdriver mode when pointing at a protected node 5dcc5cb305 2013-12-22T14:16:31-08:00 http://git.io/lT-b0A
22:29	troller	specing, but server with 20k blocks will totally unplayable in mt
22:29	specing	how much memory is that?
22:30	troller	less 1G
22:30	specing	is that blocks or chunks?
22:30	ShadowNinja	20000161616(32+sizeof(meta) + sizeof(entitydata))
22:31	specing	why 32?
22:31	Exio4	meta = ? and entitydata (average?)
22:31	Exio4	(max + min) / 2 :P
22:32	specing	wouldn't 4 bytes be enough to uniquely describe a block?
22:32	Exio4	ehm..
22:32	ShadowNinja	2621.44MB with only raw node data. (No meta or entties)
22:32	Exio4	node?
22:32	specing	yes, node
22:33	ShadowNinja	Erm, /8
22:33	ShadowNinja	A MapNode is 32 bits IIRC.
22:33	ShadowNinja	327.68MB.
22:33	troller	nearest small goal = 100 players on one server (68 already was)
22:34	ShadowNinja	troller: How much memory did that take?
22:34	troller	less than 1G
22:34	troller	800-900M
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22:42	VanessaE	hi
22:42	Peacock	hello denied, you will be assimilated
22:43	MinetestBot	GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest_game: Add protection support to signs 8eff7ba0cd 2013-12-22T14:42:03-08:00 http://git.io/RwCjCg
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22:54	iqualfragile_	thexyz: do you plan on creating a pull request for those performance improvement?
22:54	iqualfragile_	and: where were the biggest problems?
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23:52	Mossmanikin	Hi folks
23:52	MinetestBot	GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest_game: Prevent bucket from replacing unloaded nodes 1a9362afed 2013-12-22T15:51:28-08:00 http://git.io/mxx4KA
23:53	kaeza	hey
23:54	* Peacock	takes kaeza's hay, and makes a bale
23:54	Mossmanikin	:D
23:55	kaeza	a christian bale?
23:55	kaeza	:>
23:55	Peacock	naw a jewish bale
23:55	Peacock	totally kosher
23:58	VanessaE	ha!
23:59	Mossmanikin	You heard a word? :D

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