Time  Nick            Message
00:40 harrison        steve reich?
01:02 kizeren         any reason when I do "make" the percentage on the left is always 55%?
01:12 VanessaE        idk, never happens to me but then, I build in paranoia mode
01:12 VanessaE        (== I rm CMakeCache.txt; make clean; rm -rf /usr/local/share/minetest   before I build)
01:13 fairiestoy      I have a little question ( i know, once again ): Is it correct that the engine handles meshes only when they have a sprite-like framesaving instead of a bone-system with keyframes? Not sure, i once read about that, but forgot where or what exactly
01:14 fairiestoy      If yes: Wouldn't a simple bone system be better for media loading, since it reduces the file size?
01:35 PilzAdam        bye
01:43 EvergreenTree   o/
01:44 VanessaE        hey evergreen
02:02 Jordach         o hai
02:02 VanessaE        hi
02:03 Jordach         fuck sleeping
02:03 Jordach         someone poke that tree
02:03 NekoGloop       How goes the testing of the mines?
02:03 VanessaE        NekoGloop: most tests seem to be failing, as usual.  you expected anything different? ;()
02:03 VanessaE        ;)
02:04 Jordach         YOU'VE ALREADY SAID THAT!
02:04 VanessaE        (actually, craft guide in UI got fixed, by way of a fix in the engine)
02:04 VanessaE        Jordach: it bears repeating :P
02:05 Jordach         nope. avi
02:06 * NekoGloop     curls up in VanessaE's lap and dozes off
02:06 * Jordach       starts the chainsaw eying EvergreenTree
02:06 DeloX           hello?
02:06 DeloX           new to game here
02:06 EvergreenTree   you traitor!
02:06 VanessaE        hi DeloX
02:06 * EvergreenTree slaps Jordach
02:06 Jordach         8P
02:07 DeloX           any way to set the resolution on start up?
02:07 DeloX           command line option or somethin?
02:08 Jordach         you can use full screen mode
02:13 Jordach         -!- Brain activity low: suspending systematic
02:13 Jordach         well fuck
02:14 Jordach         zzzzzzz.....
03:08 DeloX           sry fore the delay, am back
03:09 DeloX           is there a command line switch to make it fullscreen
03:09 DeloX           ?
03:10 ShadowNinja     DeloX: There is a config setting. (And you might be able to specify config settings on the command line)
03:14 DeloX           could you show me the syntax or point me to a config file or guide on the wiki?
03:16 fairiestoy      DeloX: http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Minetest.conf
03:17 fairiestoy      One of the first lines: fullscreen = false/true
03:37 DeloX           thx for infos
03:37 DeloX           getting some bugs, i will keep on trying stuff
03:43 DeloX           thx again guys
04:51 pitriss         i want to ask.. is possible to combine textures (texture1^texture2) in item_image_button ?
06:59 MinetestBot     nore: <sfan5> nice..
07:34 aaronfranke     Hi, would any of you happen to know how Minetest conducts it's lighting calculations? I'm from the Cubic Chunks thread on MCF, a suggestion for Minecraft to have infinite height, and was told Minetest uses infinite height.
07:41 nore            aaronfranke, lighting is one of the things that cause the most slowness in Minetest
07:41 sfan5           aaronfranke: should be in the source code somewhere: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/tree/master/src
07:42 nore            IIRC it is in map.cpp
07:43 sfan5           what about light.cpp?
07:44 sfan5           hm.. no
07:44 nore            ... I remember I saw lighting code when coding minetest.swap_node
07:44 nore            lighting is updated when adding/removing nodes, isn't it?
07:45 sfan5           yes
07:46 nore            sfan5, btw, what was your modified client to take HD screenshots? shouldn't it be possible to have something like that upstream?
07:46 sfan5           https://github.com/sfan5/minetest/tree/8k_screenshot
07:46 sfan5           s/HD/8K/
07:46 sfan5           yes it is possible
07:47 sfan5           also for some reason the screenshot has an alpha channel, but it is enough just to remove it
07:48 aaronfranke     Thank you all for this! What programming language is Minetest written, so we can compare methods with Java?
07:50 aaronfranke     I see it is written in C++ and Lua, which one is the lighting written in?
07:55 sfan5           aaronfranke: c++
07:56 sfan5           aaronfranke: here is the code https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/map.cpp#L424-571
07:58 aaronfranke     Thanks!
08:15 sfan5           *wants to dl .mkv, site downloads .mkv.exe*
08:15 sfan5           nope
09:53 FreeFull        sfan5: Might try opening the exe up with some program like 7zip to see if there is actually a mkv inside
09:55 sfan5           FreeFull: nope
09:56 sfan5           it's a <foobar>downloaderspeed super pro premium v13.37
09:58 FreeFull        Ah
09:58 FreeFull        Yeah, off to /dev/null with it
10:14 VanessaE        hi
10:30 Issa2013        hello
10:30 Issa2013        how are u
10:30 VanessaE        eh.
10:30 Issa2013        i m trying to lunch minetest server on a ubuntu-server
10:30 Issa2013        wihtout interface only command line
10:30 Issa2013        do u think is possbible
10:30 VanessaE        that's how I do it (except, debian.  same difference)
10:30 Issa2013        because now i can't
10:31 Issa2013        i want create a php interface to administrate the games
10:31 VanessaE        everyone who runs a dedicated minetest server does so via the command line rather than running it from the gui
10:32 Issa2013        so why i have this error -->
10:33 Issa2013        http://pastebin.com/MUEcSNkX
10:33 VanessaE        create a new world from the client/gui first.
10:33 Issa2013        how do that from my server
10:33 Issa2013        :/
10:33 VanessaE        and don't try to run it from a directory you don't have write access to
10:33 Calinou         hi
10:34 VanessaE        the problem is the server can't create new worlds, unless that's since been fixed
10:34 VanessaE        it's a known bug
10:34 arsdragonfly    eh,IIRC the dedicated server creates a new world if there isn't
10:34 VanessaE        *checks commit log*
10:35 VanessaE        nope
10:35 VanessaE        does not appear to have been fixed.
10:35 VanessaE        Issa2013: create a new world on your local host and copy it to your server with rsync or scp or something.
10:36 arsdragonfly    well I've run a dedicated server fine on my phone which doesn't have a GUI
10:36 VanessaE        arsdragonfly: this is a recent bug.
10:36 arsdragonfly    recent?
10:36 VanessaE        mmhm
10:36 VanessaE        past couple of weeks I support
10:36 VanessaE        suppose*
10:37 Issa2013        is better :)
10:37 VanessaE        I'm not sure exactly when it started but the core devs already know about it.
10:37 VanessaE        the server fails to create the initial rollback log database file.
10:38 VanessaE        so basically, since rollback logging went to sqlite or shortly thereafter.
10:38 Issa2013        ok i have my dedicated server ON
10:38 arsdragonfly    in that case a git bisect would help I believe
10:38 VanessaE        Issa2013: nevermind that.
10:38 Issa2013        so now i need to create a php page to get some statistique
10:38 Issa2013        VanessaE, weel i do'nt understand what u says
10:38 Issa2013        but
10:39 VanessaE        Issa2013: you want stats, that's entirely up to you :) but first, get your server up and running properly ;)
10:39 Issa2013        now how i can get information about the game in live to get it on my php page ?
10:39 Calinou         "php page"... personal home page page :D
10:40 Issa2013        i have running my server on virtuabl box
10:40 Issa2013        http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-52b6c18e04aca2.03965039.jpg
10:41 Issa2013        VanessaE, so how get stats please ?
10:42 arsdragonfly    Issa2013: hack into the source code and try using cURL
10:43 arsdragonfly    hmmm, using lua may be a good choice,too
10:43 Issa2013        u says too many word i don't know is
10:44 Issa2013        my favorit is hack into the source code
10:44 Issa2013        how do that
10:45 Issa2013        well
10:46 VanessaE        Issa2013: stats and such things are entirely up to you.
10:46 VanessaE        you must code those things yourself, minetest does not have such facilities, but you can probably get most of what you need by scraping the log file.
10:47 kaeza           mornings
10:53 Issa2013        VanessaE, where is the log files ?
10:54 Issa2013        how i can edit it ?
10:54 VanessaE        you don't edit the logs
10:54 VanessaE        you read them
10:54 VanessaE        and they'll be in the minetest directory
10:55 VanessaE        or in the user home directory that is running minetest
10:55 VanessaE        on my server, they are in /home/minetest/.minetest/debug-*.txt and /home/minetest/.minetest/moredebug-*.txt
10:56 VanessaE        (the latter is just redirecting all console output to a file since the logs don't catch everything)
10:59 Issa2013        ok i see
10:59 Issa2013        so i can get the list of player and that's it
10:59 Issa2013        VanessaE, can i lunch minetest server like daemin
11:00 Issa2013        so when i lunch my server the game works, and if he crash thent restart automatly ?
11:00 VanessaE        Issa2013: launch*
11:01 VanessaE        lucnh is when you eat at around 11am to 1pm every day :)
11:01 VanessaE        lunch* too. :P
11:01 twoelk          all VE servers went down?
11:01 VanessaE        twoelk: nightly backups.
11:01 VanessaE        always at this time of night.
11:01 VanessaE        they'll be back in a couple of minutes.
11:01 twoelk          ah noon here
11:02 VanessaE        Issa2013:   while true; do sleep 5; minetestserver --foo --something --hello --wut ; done
11:02 VanessaE        fill in the switches of course
11:02 VanessaE        twoelk: for me it is 6am :)
11:03 VanessaE        twoelk: it is the quietest, least busy on the servers about this time which is why I have the cron set to do the backups now.  when it comes back up, it'll be a little laggy as it will be compressing in the background also.
11:03 twoelk          well has to be done at some time
11:04 twoelk          wonder if an automatic warning message could be send prior to shutdown
11:05 VanessaE        I haven't figured out how to do that yet
11:05 VanessaE        it's just as well, no one would notice such messages anyways
11:05 VanessaE        no one pays attention to the chat :P
11:06 twoelk          might be so
11:07 twoelk          I noticed the server going down because it left Irc, ingame I was still thatching my roof, wonder at what point the server and my client split
11:12 twoelk          interesting, my client had let me set about 10 nodes before I left the map manually. 10 nodes after the server  was shuting down
11:14 VanessaE        heh
11:14 VanessaE        you'd think the client would deny all actions after receiving the shutdown messae
11:14 VanessaE        message*
11:15 VanessaE        twoelk: my servers - network disconnect due to shutdown for routine backup.
11:15 VanessaE        er.. john_minetest ^^^^^
11:15 twoelk          er VanessaE game
11:15 twoelk          I presume
11:17 twoelk          ah wait, to be fair, I am using a 0.4.7.xx series client at the momment
11:18 VanessaE        that doesn't matter any
11:18 VanessaE        afaik any client will let you keep placing blocks well after the disconnect message
11:19 twoelk          so it seems
11:20 twoelk          so actually we do need a message ;) "anything build beyond this point in time is an illusion in a virtuall world"
11:20 VanessaE        heh
11:22 twoelk          its but a dream within a dream.........
11:23 Issa2013        VanessaE, where i can see all  logs we can see on the debug files logs ?
11:34 VanessaE        there is one file,
11:34 VanessaE        usually debug.txr
11:34 VanessaE        er debug.txt
11:34 VanessaE        in the minetest folder or in the homedir of the user running the server
11:34 VanessaE        ~/.minetest/debug.txt
11:36 Jordach         hm?
11:36 reactor         ?mh
11:37 VanessaE        morning, Jordach
11:37 kaeza           ¿ɯɥ
11:38 reactor         kaeza: лФШЫВГШОИФ?
11:38 reactor         kaeza: щФ ФШИВИЫ?
11:38 Jordach         ew, Cyrillic
11:38 reactor         ЭYЯIГГIЭ
11:38 reactor         yeah
11:39 reactor         Rather,
11:39 reactor         ЭУЯIГГIЭ
11:39 reactor         That.
11:39 Lynxx           hello does anyone rememeber how to make 2 players appear in single player? xD
11:40 reactor         Lynxx: ?
11:40 reactor         Start the game in server mode on one machie.
11:40 reactor         s/hie/hine/
11:40 reactor         On the other, connect to it.
11:40 reactor         ???; PROFIT!
11:40 Lynxx           triying to make 2 clients connect to my singleplayer world
11:41 Lynxx           there was a way but i forgot how it was xD
11:41 VanessaE        >2 clients
11:41 VanessaE        > single player
11:41 VanessaE        O.o
11:41 Lynxx           not singleplayer
11:41 Lynxx           hmm
11:41 VanessaE        :)
11:41 reactor         Exactly, VanessaE.
11:41 Lynxx           let me see if i can explain
11:41 reactor         LAN party, I know.
11:41 Lynxx           something like that
11:41 Lynxx           like a lan
11:41 reactor         Just start the game server mode on one of the machines.
11:41 reactor         Okay?
11:41 VanessaE        just giving you a hard time :)
11:42 Lynxx           haha sorry
11:42 kaeza           that's what she...wait what
11:42 Lynxx           XD
11:42 VanessaE        lol
11:42 PilzAdam        Hello everyone!
11:42 reactor         Hello PillsAdam.
11:42 Lynxx           i think i'm starting to talk nonese from lack of sleep xD
11:42 reactor         -How high are you? -Yes.
11:42 Lynxx           hello PilzAdam
11:43 Lynxx           i'm on coffee...
11:43 reactor         Way to kill your kidneys eh.
11:43 Lynxx           ...better than smoking....
11:43 reactor         Definitely.
11:44 Lynxx           anyway ._. anyone know what i'm talking about or am i to sleep deprived to make sense? xD
11:44 reactor         s/to /too /
11:45 reactor         You're not making any sense, pal. Not a byte of it.
11:45 reactor         If I were you, I would probably go snatch some sleep.
11:47 Jordach         I did that last night and got pm bombed be the tree
11:47 Jordach         fell asleep while helping evergreen!
11:48 Lynxx           oh found the thing i was looking for !!!!
11:48 Lynxx           and i was staring at it for like 20 minutes
11:49 reactor         You definitely should get some sleep, man.
11:50 MinetestBot     Only n00bs need sleep
11:51 reactor         ...said a red-eyed dweeb that is falling apart.
11:51 Lynxx           lol
11:51 reactor         s/that/who/
11:51 Lynxx           https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2870 this i s what i was looking for :3
11:51 arsdragonfly    of course a bot doesn't need sleep to work
11:51 reactor         If one don't sleep, they get depressed and ugly.
11:52 kaeza           arsdragonfly, no, it needs select() :3
11:52 arsdragonfly    lol
11:52 PilzAdam        posting "Can someone teach me how to make a server?" in "Server Creation Guide" is quite epic
11:52 kaeza           otherwise buh bye to your CPU time
11:52 reactor         Speaking of performance.
11:53 reactor         Does MT still have problem syncing over slow lines?
11:53 reactor         If I host a game, people complain the map is loading only some blocks around them.
11:53 VanessaE        does hydrogen still appear at the top of the periodic table? :)
11:53 reactor         And they can't shoot firearms well there.
11:53 reactor         VanessaE: yeah.
11:54 reactor         Well, there's also positronium. It's element zero.
11:54 reactor         And above are antielements.
11:54 VanessaE        I thought that was neutronium? :)
11:54 VanessaE        anyways
11:54 reactor         Neutronium is unstable.
11:54 VanessaE        yeah, mt still has problems with that.
11:54 reactor         For free neutrons only live for 12 minutes.
11:54 VanessaE        if you have curl and a properly-configured remote media server, it helps to a large degree
11:54 PilzAdam        a positronium is unstable too
11:55 PilzAdam        and it isnt an element
11:55 reactor         ...any neutrons are unstable. They all turn into protons. But in nuclei, the electrton they emit gets caught by other protons.
11:56 reactor         That's why nuclei have consistent number of P and N.
11:56 reactor         positronium is unstable yes
11:56 VanessaE        welcome to minetest, where an off-the-cuff rhetorical question meant to imply "yes, obviously" can turn into a discussion on quantum physicas.
11:56 VanessaE        -a
11:56 reactor         Well, it isn't. I'm not sure, though.
11:57 blubblubb       why do larger nuclei have quite a bit more neutrons than protons?
11:57 reactor         VanessaE: so, one can use a FTP server to host media?
11:57 PilzAdam        blubblubb, to be stable
11:57 reactor         ...but clients need to have curl compiled in?
11:57 PilzAdam        otherwise the protons would just move apart
11:57 VanessaE        Lynxx: don't follow that guide you linked to - it uses remobo.  that's evil.  everyone will hate you.
11:57 VanessaE        reactor: no.
11:57 VanessaE        http.
11:57 Lynxx           no not gonna use remobo
11:57 reactor         blubblubb: to be stable, yes.
11:58 blubblubb       ic
11:58 Lynxx           just wanted to take screen shots of the changes i did to the skin experimenting with some stuff :#
11:58 blubblubb       qcd and all that I suppose
11:58 reactor         Because without them, electrostatic forces would be too strong and tear the nucleus apart.
11:58 PilzAdam        blubblubb, that is because the electromagnetic force that pushes protons apart has a higher "range" than the force that "glues" neutrons an protons together
11:58 VanessaE        (strong vs. weak nuclear forces, isn't it?)
11:59 reactor         See the bonding energy in drop model.
11:59 VanessaE        been way too long since I read up on this stuff
11:59 PilzAdam        (Im not quite sure about the english terms)
11:59 reactor         Hmm.
11:59 blubblubb       VanessaE: no, strong force and electromagnetism
11:59 reactor         weak interaction is observed in beta decay
11:59 VanessaE        right
11:59 VanessaE        ok
11:59 reactor         blubblubb: right, that
11:59 blubblubb       or, electroweak I should say
11:59 PilzAdam        its always funny to translate the stuff you learned in german into english
11:59 reactor         electroweak is for high energies
12:00 blubblubb       since EM and the weak force have been unified
12:00 reactor         The higher energy the more symmetry.
12:00 blubblubb       ah
12:00 * VanessaE      throws a few tau neutrinos at blubblubb
12:00 reactor         not very high energies for electroweak, though
12:00 * blubblubb     skillfully dodges dodges them
12:00 PilzAdam        VanessaE, dont throw too fast
12:00 Jordach         this channel went critical mass. ..
12:01 reactor         Heh.
12:01 blubblubb       does minetest have nuclear reactors yet?
12:01 VanessaE        yes
12:02 VanessaE        technic mod.
12:02 PilzAdam        IIRC technic has
12:02 reactor         ...mkay.
12:02 blubblubb       hah. of course it does :)
12:02 PilzAdam        .... but I guess they are not too realistic
12:02 reactor         They're controlled automatically, right?
12:02 VanessaE        yeah
12:02 blubblubb       quite recently I discovered that there's a mod to get nuclear reactors in KSP too
12:02 reactor         You can't make them go Chernobyl, right?
12:02 Jordach         http://what-if.xkcd.com/1/
12:02 kaeza           >complains about realistic games >complains about non-realistic mods
12:02 PilzAdam        blubblubb, oO
12:02 VanessaE        you put fuel in, they "run" for a long while and shut off, they don't explode when tampered with but they do shut down
12:03 blubblubb       and antimatter reactors
12:03 * Evolykane     trows some cogh-syrup in the round
12:03 blubblubb       right, the interstellar mod it was
12:03 reactor         s/trow/throw/
12:03 reactor         Fuck.
12:03 reactor         .-1s/trow/throw/
12:03 reactor         Dodgy.
12:03 Jordach         VE tell that to technic
12:03 PilzAdam        kaeza, I complain about games/mods that want to be realistic and I complain about games/mods that try to be realistic but fail at it
12:04 kaeza           >logic=0
12:05 reactor         Evolykane: what's the deal with cough syrup?
12:05 * reactor       throws some itch powder in Evolykane's face.
12:05 reactor         You're gonna need it yousrself now.
12:05 reactor         Have fun.
12:06 thexyz          why do you think this mod tries to be realistic?
12:06 PilzAdam        RBA told me that
12:06 thexyz          my opinion is that it just tries to make the game fun to play by adding a concept widely known (reactor, nuclear power, etc) but simplified
12:07 thexyz          no one would play a game where you have to control a "real" reactor because it'd be boring
12:08 VanessaE        I dunno
12:08 VanessaE        people play sim city
12:08 VanessaE        railroiad tycoon
12:08 VanessaE        all those old games like that
12:08 thexyz          well all those are simple
12:08 VanessaE        -i
12:08 VanessaE        yes
12:08 thexyz          so that only proves my point
12:08 VanessaE        but they give you tons of controls for what they do
12:08 PilzAdam        building your own reactor in this is quite nice: http://powdertoy.co.uk/
12:08 thexyz          now make a game as realistic as it can be
12:09 reactor         ...why not make mods have two modes: "easy" and "realistic", so that everyone's satisfied?
12:10 VanessaE        but still you are right - cram too much reality into the gameplay and it ceases to be fun
12:10 reactor         ...depends where.
12:11 reactor         Realism is good in flight simulators.
12:11 reactor         And such.
12:11 PilzAdam        realistic hunger for example is not boring
12:11 reactor         PilzAdam: and yes, that.
12:11 reactor         Minecraft-y health system would be nice, too.
12:12 thexyz          having a realistic server which could realistically serve more than 5 realistic clients without any realistic lags would be good too
12:13 PilzAdam        but thats impossible
12:13 VanessaE        bbl
12:14 thexyz          why?
12:15 PilzAdam        0 lag is impossible because information cant move faster than the light
12:15 thexyz          well now you're being picky
12:16 thexyz          because we both know what we're talking about
12:17 PilzAdam        well, I was just part of a discussion about quantum phyiscs, so....
12:22 markveidemanis  Hi
12:26 reactor         markveidemanis: HELO
12:26 reactor         Speaking of entanglement.
12:26 reactor         They're not using it in communications yet, are they?
12:49 Megaf           !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
12:49 MinetestBot     minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (275ms)
12:49 reactor         .-2s/viabl/vailabl/
12:56 SirDigby        Megaf: Is that some script
12:56 SirDigby        oh i see
12:56 SirDigby        derp
13:03 sepi            How can I explicitely spawn mobs from the mobs framework mod?
13:03 reactor         Weed?
13:05 sepi            hmm weed :)
13:06 Exio4           did i read weed
13:07 sepi            ^^
13:07 jin_xi          smoke weed every day
13:08 sepi            how about spawning mobs?
13:08 tuedel          weed?
13:09 SirDigby        ery day
13:09 SirDigby        fuck that
13:10 SirDigby        StarTalk Radio has new vids
13:11 SirDigby        can i ask yall something, movies
13:17 Evolykane       Is there a towny like mod for minetest
13:31 sepi            now I can spawn mobs but they only appear as an "unknown object" object
13:32 PilzAdam        sepi, mobf does some weird stuff so you cant really spawn them with /spawnentity
13:32 PilzAdam        (in simplemobs its not a problem)
13:35 nore            Evolykane, do you mean, a mod that adds towns?
13:35 sepi            PilzAdam: I see
13:35 sepi            PilzAdam: but I also don't seem to have the /mobf command installed
13:35 Evolykane       Towns for multiplayer, like the minecraft plugin towny
13:35 nore            if so, you can try mg: it makes its own mapgen, which includes villages randomly spawned
13:35 sepi            but I can see the mod in the game menu
13:36 PilzAdam        Evolykane, stop assuming that people here know Minecraft mods
13:36 nore            but I don't know if that is really what you are looking for
13:36 Evolykane       PilzAdam: Plugins ^^
13:36 PilzAdam        sepi, have you enabled the mod for your world?
13:36 PilzAdam        Evolykane, mods ^^
13:37 sepi            PilzAdam: not that I know of :P
13:37 sepi            PilzAdam: how to?
13:37 PilzAdam        sepi, click on "Configure" in the world list
13:37 sepi            PilzAdam: awesomet, thanks a lot :)
13:44 reactor         mobf();
13:44 Evolykane       http://code.google.com/a/eclipselabs.org/p/towny/
13:44 sepi            reactor: ?
13:44 sepi            So does the mobf menu not allow me to spawn animals?
13:44 Evolykane       or here https://sites.google.com/site/menexiamc/in-depth-towns
13:45 Evolykane       Textdescription of the Plugin
13:47 Evolykane       Towny is a good known extension for minecraft Multiplayer Servers. Half of the large minecraft servers uses it.
13:48 Evolykane       Is there a mod where Players can found there own towns?
13:52 reactor         sepi: ?
13:54 reactor         john_minetest: hello everybrony.
13:57 reactor         I care so much!
14:06 proller         first spam inside game chat detected
14:06 reactor         ?!
14:07 reactor         Someone created a spambot?
14:07 reactor         Autokick should probably be introduced.
14:07 reactor         And/or autoban.
14:09 proller         maybe manual
14:09 proller         meggage
14:09 reactor         ?
14:09 proller         message
14:09 proller         was
14:09 reactor         Yeah. Probably server log message for the sysop.
14:09 reactor         ...I wish MT server had rcon.
14:10 reactor         Preferrably via FIFO.
14:10 reactor         Rather, UNIX socket.
14:11 proller         now it not a problem
14:17 Evolykane       Hm ok, how to add mods in the online mod repository?
15:01 sfan5           meow
15:06 zash            no, can't have nice things!
15:06 reactor         Same shit in UNIX nowadays, john_minetest.
15:06 reactor         People tend to use Dbus instead of sockets.
15:07 reactor         HAL instead of device nodes.
15:07 reactor         All that shit.
15:07 reactor         Disgusting.
15:07 reactor         Oh, and Pulseaudio instead of in-kernel sound processing.
15:07 zash            Don't Dbus go over a socket?
15:07 reactor         zash: idk.
15:08 reactor         Dbus was intended as replacement for sockets.
15:08 reactor         Poettering's shit.
15:09 reactor         Well, we're talking about the same problem.
15:09 reactor         People don't want to learn propa stuff.
15:09 reactor         They think of it as "complicated".
15:10 reactor         And use solutions which are easily handled, but too complicated under the hood.
15:10 FreeFull        SDL2 is nothing like Gamemaker
15:10 reactor         When some whacker like that breaks, problems arise.
15:11 reactor         And people cry a lot.
15:11 reactor         Yep.
15:11 reactor         Worse is better.
15:11 FreeFull        SDL2 is a huge toolbox. Gamemaker is a DIY kit
15:11 reactor         That is, the less complicated it is under the hood, the better it workd.
15:11 reactor         s/kd/ks/
15:12 reactor         Heh.
15:12 reactor         Same about UNIX vs. Wintendo.
15:13 FreeFull        Gamemaker doesn't do everything for you anyway once you get into more advanced stuff
15:13 FreeFull        Worst thing about it is portability
15:21 thexyz          those shitheads also use C++ instead of assembly those days
15:21 thexyz          what retards
15:22 reactor         thexyz: ?
15:22 reactor         What's wrong about C?
15:23 iqualfragile    reactor: isnt it obvious? too much bloat
15:23 reactor         ?
15:23 jin_xi          its like a boolean float
15:23 reactor         iqualfragile: What are you talking about? C or game engines?
15:23 iqualfragile    c
15:23 thexyz          or C++?
15:23 reactor         I don't get it.
15:23 reactor         C/C++.
15:24 reactor         iqualfragile: you probably should stop referring IDEs as languages, mate.
15:24 reactor         Seriously, it's your bloody problem if you're using C++ Bulder.
15:24 iqualfragile    both, too much overhead, should have used assembly, has much less overhead and is therefore faster and better
15:25 reactor         That shit needs to die a gruesome, violent death.
15:25 reactor         Assembly is not suitable for physics.
15:25 Exio4           [12:07:30] <reactor> Oh, and Pulseaudio instead of in-kernel sound processing.
15:25 Exio4           real men use jackd
15:25 reactor         Jackd is for real-time sound, Exio4.
15:26 reactor         I don't care about small delays here, okay?
15:26 thexyz          oh those people discussing speed, assembly and c++
15:26 Exio4           i've jackd on autostart
15:26 reactor         john_minetest: physics have to deal with floating-point data types and vectors.
15:26 Exio4           zero problems reactor!
15:26 thexyz          do you honestly believe you can optimize code better than GCC can do it?
15:26 Exio4           yes, using intel compiler (in intel cpus)
15:26 reactor         Good luck doing those in assembly, john_minetest. It must take you whole life.
15:26 iqualfragile    reactor: where is the problem?
15:27 Exio4           or optimized compilers for some archs :P
15:27 reactor         john_minetest: not C++.
15:27 reactor         Okay?
15:27 iqualfragile    john_minetest: nope
15:27 thexyz          Exio4: *you*
15:27 reactor         C++ is written in C++. Compiler compiles into machine code.
15:27 Exio4           you can make a C++ compiler in basic
15:27 iqualfragile    gcc is actually quite awsome at optimizing, allmost allways better then humans
15:27 Exio4           but it is part of the implementation side
15:27 zash            There's more than one C++ compiler, right
15:27 thexyz          you can make a c++ compiler in any turing complete language
15:28 reactor         right
15:28 thexyz          but I don't understand the point you're trying to bring, what's it?
15:28 iqualfragile    lets write a c++ compiler using a dual-stack machine!
15:28 Exio4           also, compilers don't compile into machine code, but other languages
15:28 Exio4           emscripten compiles to javascript
15:28 Exio4           *compiles*
15:28 thexyz          indeed
15:29 Exio4           you could also have interpreted C
15:29 Exio4           and it is still C
15:29 * Exio4         looks at cint
15:30 thexyz          less talk more code!
15:30 Exio4           who cares about coding
15:30 Exio4           discussing useless shit makes minetest grown!
15:30 Exio4           grow*
15:30 Exio4           it is all kaeza's fault
15:31 kaeza           yes it is
15:31 kaeza           no u
15:31 thexyz          ah right
15:31 reactor         Err.
15:31 thexyz          I'm trying to profile this shit
15:31 reactor         I think iqualfragile and john_minetest deserve a smack.
15:31 thexyz          I've figured out software never works
15:32 iqualfragile    reactor: i think you need to improve your irony detection skills
15:32 thexyz          perhaps someone can suggest a profiler?
15:32 Exio4           yeah john_minetest
15:32 reactor         iqualfragile: text-only communication is not suitable for sarcasm.
15:33 reactor         I see what you're saying, but I don't see HOW you're saying it.
15:33 Exio4           thexyz: I don't really know, never worked with code that should be fast enough to get profiled ;P
15:33 reactor         And irony is mostly detected by how something is said.
15:33 Exio4           reactor: you can guess by the way they say it
15:33 reactor         I can't hear your voice, and I can't see your facial expression.
15:33 reactor         Okay?
15:33 iqualfragile    john_minetest: me too
15:33 thexyz          john_minetest: trolls trolling trolls
15:33 Exio4           you can read what I say
15:33 thexyz          Exio4: the problem is that it's slow
15:34 reactor         Hey, I am not a troll.
15:34 thexyz          (minetest)
15:34 Exio4           didn't know!
15:34 iqualfragile    thexyz: which part exactly are you profiling?
15:34 * reactor       loudly slaps iqualfragile and john_minetest. "That is preemptive".
15:35 thexyz          iqualfragile: hmm.. everything? the server loop, I want to know what parts are slow and what locks waste the most time
15:36 iqualfragile    thexyz: ah, ok, quite strange that nobody done that yet
15:39 thexyz          iqualfragile: perhaps because there are no tools
15:39 iqualfragile    there are tool for profiling
15:40 thexyz          what are those?
15:41 iqualfragile    lets see
15:42 iqualfragile    thexyz: http://sysprof.com/
15:42 iqualfragile    i used this when i needed to profile something the last time
15:43 thexyz          can it profile locks?
15:44 thexyz          I'm currently trying Intel VTune
15:44 thexyz          it works fine on Windows, but doesn't on my Gentoo system
15:45 thexyz          so I have to run it inside virtualbox ;_;
15:45 iqualfragile    urgh
15:45 iqualfragile    i have no idea
15:48 thexyz          I see
15:56 rubenwardy      Hi all
15:56 reactor         EHLO rubber man.
15:57 reactor         How's the science with Shitland C++ Destroyer?
15:58 thexyz          here's my setup http://i.imgur.com/qFKd7Ve.png
15:58 thexyz          how do you like it?
16:00 reactor         thexyz: what is that program that tracks CPU time?
16:01 reactor         Peacock: o/
16:01 thexyz          reactor: ah, the one inside the VM? it's written at the top, it's Intel VTune Amplifier
16:01 reactor         I wonder what a pea-shaped cock would look like.
16:01 Peacock         howdy
16:02 reactor         oh.
16:02 reactor         I see.
16:02 thexyz          it's free for linux and non-commercial use
16:02 Peacock         like this http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsT/tve17101-22-23.gif :P
16:02 thexyz          but it didn't work very well for me
16:02 thexyz          so I had to take a Windows trial
16:03 Peacock         i prefer Cardassian trials, the sentences are determined well in advance <Dukat>
16:06 thexyz          what if I just replace it with std::bitset
16:06 thexyz          (so much bloat)
16:20 paramat         Solstice greetings, new mod https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8066
16:28 Jordach         now where's that tree :P
16:34 EvergreenTree   <Jordach>get yo f*cking @ss on the irc
16:34 EvergreenTree   So here I am
16:34 EvergreenTree   :P
16:34 Jordach         finally :P
16:36 Peacock         you have a thing for evergreen's ass :P
16:36 EvergreenTree   trees don't have an @ss
16:37 EvergreenTree   You should know that
16:38 Peacock         hm, maybe he's after your wood then XD
16:38 Jordach         plol
16:45 Jordach         hey aspie
16:45 reactor         AspieMint
16:45 AspireMint      Hello
16:46 reactor         EHLO
16:52 raffahacks      Hi megaf
16:53 raffahacks      VanessaE, just found u in Actuve Contributors list :)
16:53 raffahacks      Congratulations
17:10 thexyz          with some hacks (like disabling block heat and mapgen completely) I can now get to 100 clients @ localhost
17:10 thexyz          (this means the game is still smooth)
17:10 thexyz          although it's "minimal"
17:13 * Jordach       kicks back
17:13 Jordach         http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-221213-171313.php
17:25 harrison        john_minetest: maybe you would like steve reich (composer)
17:25 harrison        if you like glass probably you will like reich
17:27 thexyz          with 1000 clients my load average got over 500 so I had to stop the experiment
17:27 reactor         `1
17:27 reactor         !*
17:28 reactor         block heat?
17:28 zash            1000 clients doing what?
17:28 reactor         Idling.
17:29 reactor         Stading around, smelling, being useless.
17:29 zash            Wat
17:31 thexyz          that's with --random-input
17:31 thexyz          they actually will perform more than players (just a guess)
17:32 reactor         oh
17:32 reactor         they don't dig or build, do they?
17:32 reactor         I might be mistaken.
17:33 troller         they dig randomly and moves nonstop
17:33 thexyz          part of server log https://gist.github.com/xyzz/2772c851cdb73cb2391b/raw/16a625b9c5c9ad85f86c4686fa833b6b676ef99d/gistfile1.txt
17:34 thexyz          after `killall -9 freeminer` https://gist.github.com/xyzz/d775dd07057ab6c8982e/raw/15c91f685b8d7d5d50aacfd0ba3f94f277895fdc/gistfile1.txt
17:37 thexyz          I think I've got to 552 online, but at this point the game was unplayable
17:37 reactor         thexyz: do they put block?
17:37 thexyz          don't have much hardware
17:37 reactor         s/ck/cks/
17:37 thexyz          reactor: yes
17:38 reactor         k
17:38 thexyz          or, wait
17:38 thexyz          I think they should
17:38 reactor         Do they chat?
17:38 Issa2013        zzZz
17:38 thexyz          no
17:38 reactor         Issa2013: I care so much.
17:39 thexyz          you can check RandomInputHandler class in main.cpp if you want to know what they do
17:42 reactor         Aighty.
17:51 harrison        link pls
17:51 harrison        we can listen at the same time
17:52 harrison        nice
17:52 MinetestBot     GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Merge pull request #26 from kaeza/wut https://gi 2013-12-22T09:52:17-08:00 http://git.io/4YPwfg
17:52 MinetestBot     GIT: kaeza commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Fix crashes in GUI button. https://gi 2013-12-20T21:06:32-08:00 http://git.io/QFaUGg
17:53 harrison        conlon nancarrow met harry partch once
17:53 harrison        they didn't like each other
17:53 harrison        the incident is discussed in kyle gann's book on nancarrow
17:57 harrison        if you concentrate it is REALLY amazing
17:57 harrison        how about partch?
18:02 harrison        that glass piece IS nice
18:02 harrison        partch was more than just drums
18:02 harrison        you should read his book
18:02 harrison        genesis of a music
18:03 harrison        microtonal
18:03 harrison        in the best sense of the word
18:05 harrison        this is not typical of partch but it is my favorite piece
18:05 harrison        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSToApF6eN0
18:07 harrison        ear candy
18:08 harrison        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwMYhUQRF8o
18:09 harrison        and of course .... the great chilean singer constanza biagini!
18:09 reactor         Lament for my cock. Sore and crucified, I seek to know you.
18:11 specing         Megaf: somebody is complaining of being griefed
18:11 SirDigby        fucking slayer, but, harry putter
18:12 SirDigby        what instrument is that
18:13 harrison        surrogate kithara
18:14 SirDigby        I seen it played, I'm next door to a japanees garden
18:16 SirDigby        no thank you. for your 2nd link
18:19 thexyz          why do those people take the first available versions of minetest and fork it?
18:44 thexyz          i herd you laik videos?
18:44 thexyz          john_minetest: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=122782#p122782
18:45 thexyz          shit youtube takes forever to process my video
18:45 PilzAdam        s/youtube/google/
18:45 thexyz          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hny6ovvGR3Y
18:45 thexyz          enjoy yer 360p
18:46 troller         Your browser does not currently recognize any of the video formats available.
18:46 EvergreenTree   ^  simplescreenrecorder!
18:46 PilzAdam        thexyz, fale
18:46 PilzAdam        *fake
18:47 MinetestBot     GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Update worldedit_gui to work with latest unified_inventory. https://gi 2013-12-22T10:46:59-08:00 http://git.io/ZD__GQ
18:50 MinetestBot     GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Update worldedit_gui to work with latest unified_inventory (thanks LazyJ!). https://gi 2013-12-22T10:48:56-08:00 http://git.io/z_pCvw
18:52 thexyz          PilzAdam: why?
18:52 MinetestBot     GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Add a screenshot to the README. https://gi 2013-12-22T10:51:50-08:00 http://git.io/SMWaFA
18:52 PilzAdam        you speeded it up
18:52 EvergreenTree   ^
18:52 EvergreenTree   plol
18:53 troller         and add 90 fake bots!
18:54 thexyz          PilzAdam: nice try but there is time in server log
18:58 thexyz          I've edited the description
19:00 thexyz          please like and subscribe!!
19:02 thexyz          they do, how else would they otherwise dig?
19:02 thexyz          those are just clients with --random-input and video driver set to null
19:02 thexyz          so they are not fake
19:04 Miner_48er      Is there any way to repair or remove a corrupt chunk?
19:05 thexyz          john_minetest: yes
19:05 thexyz          there are some hacks though, read the description
19:05 PilzAdam        Miner_48er, there is an option to tell Minetest to re-generate it
19:05 Miner_48er      what option?
19:07 troller         PilzAdam, 68 max players on "Sky" - fake too!
19:07 troller         and now 48 fake!
19:07 thexyz          john_minetest: not sure
19:07 thexyz          ask troller
19:08 thexyz          (wait, I don't know who actually coded this)
19:08 PilzAdam        Miner_48er, eh, cant remember now
19:10 phantombeta     Hi
19:10 phantombeta     How are you?
19:10 iqualfragile    john_minetest: yes it is
19:11 phantombeta     I'm good...
19:11 thexyz          http://forum.freeminer.org/threads/getting-the-most-out-of-freeminer-server.48/
19:11 iqualfragile    john_minetest: no
19:11 troller         john_minetest, heat for weather, freezing, ...
19:13 EvergreenTree   o/ Enke
19:13 thexyz          john_minetest: it's impossible to generate everything in advance
19:13 Enke            hi EvergreeenTree
19:13 thexyz          but generating a small area is probably a nice idea to work on
19:14 iqualfragile    thexyz: hey, looks realy nice
19:15 thexyz          iqualfragile: indeed it does!
19:17 thexyz          like and subscribe for more funny videos!
19:17 iqualfragile    thexyz: stfu
19:18 thexyz          why? :(
19:23 Jordach         hmmm https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=122749#p122749
19:29 Jordach         http://bestofcardsagainsthumanity.tumblr.com/
19:37 harrison        it is as i feared
19:39 harrison        cisoun
19:40 harrison        you might have a bit of loyalty to yr old compatriot of underground
19:43 harrison        Advertising is the rattling of a stick inside a swill bucket. -- George Orwell
19:56 Calinou         something is fast according to thexyz for once! :D
19:56 thexyz          something I made is fast!
20:00 thexyz          buildcraft is more than 260k installs now it seems
20:04 kizeren         How does one go about fixing corrupt chunks/blocks.
20:04 iqualfragile    kizeren: well, you will need a goat or a virgin
20:05 iqualfragile    and 5 candles
20:05 kizeren         I have a wife I can sacrafice.
20:05 iqualfragile    did you just call your wife a goat?
20:05 kizeren         ShadowNinja said I could open the map.sqlite and use a u64 hash to delete blocks...
20:05 kizeren         but he lost me there.
20:05 cisoun          harrison: o/
20:06 cisoun          what the hell did happen to you ?
20:06 iqualfragile    thexyz: yes, i can see that on my server
20:06 iqualfragile    milions of clients not supporting httpfetch
20:06 PilzAdam        kizeren, you can calculate the hash according to doc/mapformat.txt
20:09 specing         You know what is weird
20:09 specing         On megaf's server there is a *wooden* fence submerged in lava
20:09 specing         it doesen't burn.
20:10 Calinou         fences don't burn
20:10 Calinou         (I think)
20:11 ShadowNinja     specing: No air for the fire.
20:11 Calinou         stuff doesn't burn if it's encased by other nodes too
20:12 Miner_48er      has anyone suggested a way to change the day/night ratio?
20:13 specing         ShadowNinja: theres air, otherwise I wouldn't be able to look at it
20:13 specing         anyway, the fence sticking out
20:13 specing         its hilarious to look at
20:14 Calinou         Miner_48er, time_speed ?
20:14 Calinou         or do you mean ratio? then you would have to make a mod for that :/
20:14 Calinou         specing, how do you see that fence?
20:14 Calinou         screenshot?
20:15 Miner_48er      no that effects time I would like a longer day then night
20:15 PilzAdam        one could write a mod that changes time_speed at night to a higher value
20:17 Miner_48er      ok maybe that can be included as a conf option in later additions adding to issues for enhancement
20:21 specing         < Calinou> fences don't burn
20:21 specing         video game logic.
20:22 Calinou         you could fix it
20:22 Calinou         talking about that, the tools REALLY need a rebalance
20:22 Calinou         tools are too slow, and some of them are useless
20:25 thexyz          do that?
20:25 thexyz          I don't think any minetest dev is willing to spend time on such problem
20:29 Exio4           media still loading
20:34 thexyz          Exio4: what's your speed?
20:34 thexyz          Exio4: there's 10 mb of media, enjoy
20:35 Exio4           256kbps
20:35 Exio4           + overhead
20:36 Peacock         at 256kb, i can DL a movie in appx. 15 minutes
20:36 Exio4           256kbps
20:36 Exio4           not kb/s
20:36 Peacock         kbps !== kb/s ?
20:36 Exio4           i download at 25KiB/s
20:36 Exio4           Peacock: yeah, but you're using the wrong kb there
20:36 Peacock         i thought kbps was kilobytes per second
20:37 Exio4           bits
20:37 Exio4           not bytes
20:37 Peacock         ah well who the fuck measures connections in bits per second since the advent of 28k modems lol
20:37 Exio4           ALL the people measures networks at that speed
20:38 troller         bits for marketing only
20:38 Peacock         well in these parts its mostly mbps, or at worst kb (kilobytes) per second
20:38 thexyz          uhh, then there's 10  MEGABYTES of media
20:38 thexyz          because I'm too lazy to learn this stuff
20:38 thexyz          mb, MB, mB, Mb
20:38 Peacock         lol seriously
20:38 Exio4           i'm just saying 256MiB is 8 times more than 256MB
20:39 thexyz          Exio4: wait a bit
20:39 Exio4           Mb
20:39 Exio4           or whatever
20:39 thexyz          Mi != M
20:39 Exio4           yeah
20:39 kaeza           thexyz, it's easy: http://xkcd.com/394/
20:39 specing         < Calinou> tools are too slow, and some of them are useless
20:39 Exio4           i got confused now
20:39 thexyz          256 MiB = 256 mebibytes
20:39 thexyz          256 Mb = 256 megabits?
20:39 specing         Calinou: look at what they add to the Minerealms server: talonite-- lasts atleast 4 times as long as mese and mines twice as fast
20:39 thexyz          1 mebibyte = 1024 kibibytes
20:39 specing         added*
20:40 thexyz          1 megabyte = 1000 kilobytes
20:40 thexyz          1 mebibyte = 1 MiB
20:40 thexyz          1 megabyte = 1 MB
20:40 Exio4           1+1=2
20:40 thexyz          IT'S SO EASY
20:40 Peacock         jesus can't we just measure things like normal people in kilobytes, megabytes and terrabytes lol
20:41 Peacock         *terabytes
20:41 harrison        cisoun i was starting to say -- i made a gruelingly explanatory film and now nobody will say anything about it --
20:41 thexyz          so kilobyte is 1000 bytes, right?
20:41 Exio4           Peacock: the terabytes of your harddisks are using base 10
20:41 thexyz          I mean, it's right
20:41 Exio4           not base 2
20:41 harrison        no comments at youtube, no comments on irc, nothing
20:41 Exio4           yeah thexyz
20:41 Peacock         well kilo anything is 10*
20:41 Peacock         kilometer = 1000 metres
20:41 Calinou         specing, I mean, wood/stone/iron tools
20:41 thexyz          but some people think that 1 kilobyte = 1024 bytes
20:41 Exio4           i would love that to be true
20:42 harrison        and i thought you cisoun might say something for old times sake
20:42 thexyz          too much confusion
20:42 Exio4           yeah
20:42 Exio4           1+1=3 now
20:42 harrison        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPGmuexvw_A
20:42 harrison        same link as before
20:42 harrison        only 3? not 3.07 or so?
20:44 thexyz          https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=122803#p122803 inb4 all minetest servers get dos'd
20:44 Exio4           i'm getting bored
20:44 Peacock         ironically bots might be more efficient than mobs lol
20:45 Exio4           not really
20:45 harrison        i am not a bot
20:45 Exio4           the network overhead ...
20:45 harrison        nor efficient, really
20:46 Peacock         well mobs are handled within the engine, i imagine bots would have their own outside process
20:47 Exio4           the network and interaction to other shit will still be handle in-engine
20:47 Exio4           that just adds more overhead versus properly done mobs
20:47 Exio4           kaeza: do you have an asha?
20:47 Exio4           aww
20:47 Peacock         well i could be an old man before we get properly done mobs lol
20:48 kaeza           wtf is wrong with the Asha?
20:48 harrison        it is not fun, trust me
20:48 harrison        the sere and withered leaf
20:48 Exio4           i want a 311
20:48 Exio4           or 511 really
20:48 Exio4           but 311 = cheap and easy to get
20:48 PilzAdam        thexyz, remove it if you think that people get how to DoS with taht
20:48 PilzAdam        *that
20:48 thexyz          don't know
20:49 Peacock         well the connections all come from the same IP right?
20:49 Peacock         unless someone goes to the trouble of creating a minetest botnet with the code, should be easy enough to pick up on
20:51 thexyz          of course
20:51 thexyz          if the server administrator is online
20:51 Exio4           that is the downside of enet
20:51 Exio4           too easy to implement botnets!
20:51 Exio4           thexyz: i don't think i will ever be able to connect
20:51 Peacock         well geoip was easy enough to do, just use on player join to keep a list of active IPs and deny connections if more of the same try to connect
20:52 Exio4           i would rate-limit it
20:52 thexyz          Exio4: why are you so impatient?
20:52 thexyz          ambient mod is loading
20:52 thexyz          wait for it
20:53 Exio4           started 30 minutes ago :P
20:55 thexyz          well what can I do
20:55 Exio4           i don't know
20:55 kaeza           maybe it's better for thexyz to take a plane and bring an USB stick with the media than to wait for Exio4 to download <.<
20:56 thexyz          perhaps
20:56 Exio4           we should try
20:56 Calinou         ambient mod, annoying since 2012
20:56 Calinou         (is that the mod that plays sounds in the background?)
20:57 Exio4           you're annoying too
20:57 Exio4           dealwithit
20:57 * Calinou       deals dogecoin with Exio4
21:01 Megaf           Hi all
21:02 thexyz          reposting https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8074
21:02 * john_minetest gives Dogecoins to Exio4
21:04 Peacock         very profit, much hookers, wow
21:05 * sfan5         taps john_minetest
21:05 thexyz          there's also fedoracoin now
21:05 thexyz          http://boards.4chan.org/g/res/38975955
21:07 thexyz          gitorious still haven't banned C+=
21:07 thexyz          i guess they just don't have ban functionality implemented
21:09 blubblubb       is that the joke language created by clueless neckbeards?
21:11 thexyz          I guess it could be described that way
21:12 harrison        ooh you must be so sophisticated blubblubb
21:12 harrison        the casual way you insult other people you know nothing about -- so masterful
21:13 blubblubb       dude it's /g/
21:17 harrison        http://i.4cdn.org/g/src/1387736619398.jpg
21:18 blubblubb       internet fight!
21:18 harrison        gormless pseudotroll
21:21 Peacock         petaQs
21:21 harrison        i saw what you did
21:21 NakedFury       minetest needs gormless pseudotrolls as mobs
21:21 harrison        and i know where you live
21:22 Peacock         ^ reinforcing the stalker geek stereotype :P
21:22 harrison        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrfvIr7cfbY
21:22 harrison        nsfw
21:22 blubblubb       you must get all the ladies
21:24 Peacock         "you must get all the ladies" - Ariel Castro
21:24 Calinou         Peacock, harrison, blubblubb, try not to fight or do such discussions
21:24 Peacock         what such discussions?
21:24 harrison        he started it
21:26 harrison        i think he is from 4chan
21:26 harrison        you will never find a more wretched hive etc
21:26 Peacock         dunno everytime i mention stalker geeks calinou reacts :P i guess someone's feeling targeted even though that wasn't my intent :P
21:27 harrison        how dare you sir
21:27 harrison        how dare you
21:27 * Peacock       slaps harrison with a white glove
21:27 Calinou         Peacock, I'm not feeling targeted but please don't perpetrate such stereotypes
21:27 harrison        it was not peacock
21:27 Peacock         well why do you care if it doesn't apply to you :P
21:27 Calinou         it'd be better if we looked less creepy, so that the community is more welcoming
21:27 harrison        it was blubblubb who is at fault
21:28 Calinou         (people can read the logs here)
21:28 Peacock         well people tend to participate first then find out about the logs
21:28 Peacock         reading the logs first then joining the chat does sound slightly more creepy though
21:28 harrison        i keep mine own record logs of all that transpires herein
21:29 Peacock         jesus i have a hard time simply holding onto all my receipts lol
21:29 harrison        i use the log when i draw up my list
21:29 harrison        and you are ALL on the list
21:29 harrison        mwahahaha
21:31 harrison        Peacock, do you ever long for a channel where you can post ascii art without fear?
21:31 Peacock         meh, after win 3.1 i lost interest lol
21:32 Peacock         and even then i played more Commander Keen than anything else
21:32 harrison        because i was going to invite you to #spasim
21:32 harrison        but never mind then
21:33 Peacock         i rarely remember channel names, i didn't even think IRC was still in use before i came to minetest :P
21:35 harrison        well, we have a radical all-ops policy
21:35 harrison        if you want to join
21:35 harrison        you will see
21:35 Peacock         you mean like half the forums' active members are moderators? XD
21:36 harrison        #spasim
21:36 harrison        i am being friendly
21:36 harrison        it does not happen much
21:41 Peacock         im busy plotting the invasion of Zaire
21:43 Peacock         after that, Rhodesia and Czechoslovakia
21:48 Peacock         somewhere in Africa i think
21:50 Peacock         the joke is that none of those countries exist anymore lol
21:50 Peacock         zaire = congo, Czechoslovakia= czeck, Slovakia, Rhodesia = zimbabwe
21:59 thexyz          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD0eNN4F6P4
22:05 Exio4           I'm never falling again ~
22:06 ShadowNinja     thexyz: What patches did you have for the 100 bot test? enet?
22:07 Exio4           he rewrote minetest in visual basic
22:11 ShadowNinja     thexyz: assert(0); isn't valid(in your branch) Release builds won't crash there. Use abort(), terminate(), exit() or similar. (And use errorstream above)
22:12 harrison        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4Bl6BHXqUg
22:23 MinetestBot     GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest_game: Allow changing screwdriver mode when pointing at a protected node 5dcc5cb305 2013-12-22T14:16:31-08:00 http://git.io/lT-b0A
22:29 troller         specing, but server with 20k blocks will totally unplayable in mt
22:29 specing         how much memory is that?
22:30 troller         less 1G
22:30 specing         is that blocks or chunks?
22:30 ShadowNinja     20000*16*16*16*(32+sizeof(meta) + sizeof(entitydata))
22:31 specing         why 32?
22:31 Exio4           meta = ? and entitydata (average?)
22:31 Exio4           (max + min) / 2 :P
22:32 specing         wouldn't 4 bytes be enough to uniquely describe a block?
22:32 Exio4           ehm..
22:32 ShadowNinja     2621.44MB with only raw node data. (No meta or entties)
22:32 Exio4           node?
22:32 specing         yes, node
22:33 ShadowNinja     Erm, /8
22:33 ShadowNinja     A MapNode is 32 bits IIRC.
22:33 ShadowNinja     327.68MB.
22:33 troller         nearest small goal = 100 players on one server (68 already was)
22:34 ShadowNinja     troller: How much memory did that take?
22:34 troller         less than 1G
22:34 troller         800-900M
22:42 VanessaE        hi
22:42 Peacock         hello denied, you will be assimilated
22:43 MinetestBot     GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest_game: Add protection support to signs 8eff7ba0cd 2013-12-22T14:42:03-08:00 http://git.io/RwCjCg
22:54 iqualfragile_   thexyz: do you plan on creating a pull request for those performance improvement?
22:54 iqualfragile_   and: where were the biggest problems?
23:52 Mossmanikin     Hi folks
23:52 MinetestBot     GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest_game: Prevent bucket from replacing unloaded nodes 1a9362afed 2013-12-22T15:51:28-08:00 http://git.io/mxx4KA
23:53 kaeza           hey
23:54 * Peacock       takes kaeza's hay, and makes a bale
23:54 Mossmanikin     :D
23:55 kaeza           a christian bale?
23:55 kaeza           :>
23:55 Peacock         naw a jewish bale
23:55 Peacock         totally kosher
23:58 VanessaE        ha!
23:59 Mossmanikin     You heard a word? :D