| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:00 |
Peacock |
apparently putin likes femen too lol |
| 00:01 |
Peacock |
http://jordanrussiacenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/putin-femen.jpg |
| 00:01 |
Peacock |
menche - i though of making that my signature lol but... not sure if family friendly lol |
| 00:05 |
paramat |
i remember him being so cool, knowing a million guards would jump in, so flirted |
| 00:07 |
* Jordach |
wonders if Peacock is seeding a torrent to Jordach |
| 00:07 |
Peacock |
dat face lol |
| 00:08 |
Jordach |
there is always a chance :P |
| 00:09 |
Peacock |
i dont seed jack lol |
| 00:09 |
Peacock |
best way to get sued |
| 00:10 |
Peacock |
and though i like to discuss movies, im not sure we're supposed to be discussing torrents specifically on here |
| 00:11 |
Peacock |
ie i got shit for it last time lol |
| 00:36 |
paramat |
proller, hmmmm, my attempt at fixed floatlands code is ready for scrutiny and testing, it is posted here https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=117500#p117500 anyone else want to test this? please do :) i want this fixed for 0.4.8 |
| 00:48 |
harrison |
Peacock you are deluged with a torrent of oppression |
| 00:48 |
harrison |
i blame the System |
| 00:49 |
Peacock |
lol why all this talk of torrents all of a sudden? |
| 00:49 |
harrison |
i was riffing off your chat of 18:21:45 |
| 00:49 |
harrison |
and sympathizing with your oppressed status |
| 00:50 |
Peacock |
opressed by who? lol |
| 00:50 |
* us^0gb |
opens Transmission, his bit torrent client |
| 00:50 |
harrison |
[18:21:45] <Peacock> and though i like to discuss movies, im not sure we're supposed to be discussing torrents specifically on here |
| 00:50 |
harrison |
[18:22:07] <Peacock> ie i got **** for it last time lol |
| 00:50 |
Peacock |
ugh, transmission is thoroughly lacking in configurability, id go with deluge |
| 00:51 |
harrison |
someone must have been dishing it out for you to have gotten it or so i reasoned |
| 00:51 |
harrison |
i blame the System |
| 00:51 |
us^0gb |
I hardly ever use torrents, I don't know what clients are good and not. |
| 00:51 |
Peacock |
well that was jordach but im pretty sure he's just drunk lol |
| 00:51 |
* us^0gb |
looks up Deluge |
| 00:51 |
Peacock |
not much of what he said to me made sense lol |
| 00:52 |
Peacock |
speaking of movies though, i recently saw The Madness of King George, pretty good |
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| 00:52 |
harrison |
yes it was |
| 00:53 |
harrison |
especially Pitt |
| 00:53 |
harrison |
the parliamentarian |
| 00:53 |
Peacock |
i only looked it up because nigel hawthorn was in it, still |
| 00:53 |
Peacock |
Pitt was the PM right? |
| 00:53 |
harrison |
did you see Naked? |
| 00:54 |
harrison |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_(film) |
| 00:54 |
Peacock |
already there lol |
| 00:54 |
Peacock |
checking it out i mean |
| 00:54 |
Peacock |
dont know any of the actors |
| 00:54 |
paramat |
probably best hmm-mm checks the code of my floatlands fix before anyone tests it, there are probably mistakes |
| 00:55 |
Menche |
xchat cuts that URL after the underscore, so it goes to the wikipedia article about nudity |
| 00:55 |
Peacock |
nice |
| 00:55 |
Peacock |
its casual friday after all |
| 00:55 |
harrison |
review http://theplaylist.blogspot.com/2008/08/david-thewlis-talks-naked-reveals-mike.html |
| 00:57 |
harrison |
If that sounds intense, shit, just watch "Naked" again for all the rape scenes, the unromantic and harsh violence, the misanthropy and misery... god. It's amazing, but brutal, be forewarned. |
| 00:57 |
harrison |
mmm.... misanthropy... |
| 00:58 |
Peacock |
well its friday night im not in the mood for depressing lol having a beer, will be starting up hypem.com soon along with a new batch of sunday gravy (spaghetti sauce) |
| 00:58 |
harrison |
k you need to be amused then |
| 00:58 |
harrison |
have you seen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Star_(film) |
| 00:59 |
Peacock |
this time i got nine big cans of diced tomatoes, not sure i even have enough tupperware for all the sauce lol |
| 01:00 |
harrison |
most hilarious alien ever |
| 01:00 |
Peacock |
the only carpenter film i saw was escape from new york and it sucked lol |
| 01:00 |
harrison |
you havde such the negative energy tonight mr Peacock |
| 01:00 |
Peacock |
reason to be, the new terminator movie is going to be a reboot lol |
| 01:00 |
harrison |
but i still affirm your core of human value |
| 01:01 |
Peacock |
though at least i got top comment on dog for stating i like Salvation and wanted to see a sequel of that |
| 01:01 |
harrison |
you like joss whedon? |
| 01:01 |
Peacock |
just looked it him up |
| 01:01 |
harrison |
did you see his shakespeare film much ado about nothing? |
| 01:01 |
Peacock |
his forehead is like the dome of St Pauls |
| 01:02 |
harrison |
christopher wren's architectural masterpiece? |
| 01:03 |
Peacock |
St Paul's Cathedral, don't know who built it tho |
| 01:03 |
harrison |
just told you |
| 01:03 |
harrison |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Wren |
| 01:03 |
harrison |
Sir Christopher Michael Wren PRS (20 October 1632 – 25 February 1723) is one of the most highly acclaimed English architects in history.[1] He was accorded responsibility for rebuilding 52 churches in the City of London after the Great Fire in 1666, including his masterpiece, St. Paul's Cathedral, on Ludgate Hill, completed in 1710. |
| 01:04 |
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| 01:11 |
Peacock |
ugh, just got one of those scam calls lol |
| 01:11 |
Warr1024 |
Rachel from Card Services? |
| 01:12 |
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| 01:20 |
dafull97 |
hey guys |
| 01:20 |
us^0gb |
Hello! |
| 01:21 |
dafull97 |
hey |
| 01:29 |
dafull97 |
us^0gb, come my channel =) |
| 01:37 |
harrison |
Rachel from Card Services, this is Christopher Wren, the architect. "Pleased to meet you, Mr. Wren." "How do you like the 17th century so far, Rachel?" |
| 01:37 |
harrison |
can't stop the harrison |
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| 02:39 |
hmmmm |
paramat, it looks good |
| 02:39 |
hmmmm |
why don't you try testing it on your own though? |
| 02:40 |
hmmmm |
you might want to make zstride a u32 though |
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stormchaser3000 |
hi |
| 02:42 |
stormchaser3000 |
!up minetest-classic.com |
| 02:42 |
MinetestBot |
minetest-classic.com:30000 is up (2945ms) |
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| 02:58 |
hmmmm |
oh you weren't in the channel even |
| 02:58 |
hmmmm |
[09:39 PM] <hmmmm> paramat, it looks good |
| 02:58 |
paramat |
thanks hm-mm! |
| 02:58 |
hmmmm |
[09:39 PM] <hmmmm> why don't you try testing it on your own though? |
| 02:58 |
hmmmm |
[09:40 PM] <hmmmm> you might want to make zstride a u32 though |
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| 02:59 |
paramat |
umm ... im not able to complie and test yet, have not yet learnt how to |
| 02:59 |
hmmmm |
what are you on? windows I guess? |
| 02:59 |
paramat |
(compile) |
| 03:00 |
paramat |
linux ubuntu |
| 03:00 |
hmmmm |
that's 10x easier then |
| 03:00 |
stormchaser3000 |
ikr |
| 03:00 |
hmmmm |
I really don't know how you're able to get along without a working dev environment |
| 03:00 |
stormchaser3000 |
it is easier |
| 03:00 |
paramat |
yeah i intend to learn :) |
| 03:00 |
stormchaser3000 |
i can run through a step by step thing |
| 03:00 |
hmmmm |
yeah same here |
| 03:00 |
stormchaser3000 |
just read the readme file |
| 03:00 |
hmmmm |
you have lots of people to help |
| 03:01 |
paramat |
okay thanks, not now but i'll follow the readme |
| 03:01 |
paramat |
i do like working independantly as a modder, LVM means i may be able to do everything i want i lua |
| 03:02 |
hmmmm |
still, for bugfixes and whatever |
| 03:02 |
hmmmm |
also what if you want to add something to the lua api |
| 03:02 |
paramat |
yes exactly |
| 03:03 |
paramat |
proller you around to test this? :) |
| 03:03 |
hmmmm |
well at the very least you can do a diff against the original file |
| 03:03 |
hmmmm |
diff -ruN |
| 03:04 |
paramat |
cd to the file in terminal and that command? |
| 03:05 |
paramat |
sorry nevermind i search how to do that ;) |
| 03:05 |
hmmmm |
er |
| 03:05 |
hmmmm |
diff -ruN minetest/src/mapgen_indev.cpp your_version_of_mapgen_indev.cpp |
| 03:06 |
paramat |
okay |
| 03:07 |
kaeza |
hmmmm, see #-dev |
| 03:07 |
kaeza |
http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2013-11-09#i_3423041 <-- this |
| 03:10 |
hmmmm |
ermm, I don't really know anything about player animations kaeza, you're talking to the wrong person about that |
| 03:10 |
kaeza |
guess I'll have to get PA to see that :/ |
| 03:10 |
kaeza |
thanks anyway |
| 03:10 |
hmmmm |
sorry |
| 03:11 |
kaeza |
no probs |
| 03:11 |
VanessaE |
taoki also. |
| 03:11 |
* VanessaE |
pokes Taoki |
| 03:11 |
VanessaE |
well I guess he's not a dev :P |
| 03:12 |
paramat |
proll uses u32 for the noise indexes, while your advice was 'int', not sure which is best ... |
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| 03:30 |
thefamilygrog66 |
howdy folks |
| 03:30 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Willkommen |
| 03:30 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Bienvenido |
| 03:31 |
stormchaser3000 |
hi |
| 03:31 |
stormchaser3000 |
the family grogg |
| 03:31 |
stormchaser3000 |
are yo on a server |
| 03:31 |
thefamilygrog66 |
not presently, no |
| 03:31 |
thefamilygrog66 |
what's up? |
| 03:32 |
stormchaser3000 |
idk |
| 03:32 |
stormchaser3000 |
i am on a skype call |
| 03:32 |
stormchaser3000 |
with someoen |
| 03:32 |
stormchaser3000 |
lo |
| 03:32 |
stormchaser3000 |
lol |
| 03:32 |
thefamilygrog66 |
alrighty then |
| 03:32 |
stormchaser3000 |
but ii can go on a server |
| 03:32 |
stormchaser3000 |
lol |
| 03:32 |
kaeza |
hey frog |
| 03:32 |
kaeza |
grog* |
| 03:33 |
thefamilygrog66 |
troglodyte, yep |
| 03:33 |
thefamilygrog66 |
:) |
| 03:33 |
thefamilygrog66 |
what's happening, kaeza? |
| 03:33 |
kaeza |
about to kill VE's server >:D |
| 03:33 |
stormchaser3000 |
lol |
| 03:33 |
stormchaser3000 |
how |
| 03:33 |
stormchaser3000 |
>:D |
| 03:33 |
stormchaser3000 |
jk |
| 03:34 |
* stormchaser3000 |
hacks using cammand line script |
| 03:34 |
stormchaser3000 |
jk |
| 03:34 |
stormchaser3000 |
i am not a hacker |
| 03:34 |
kaeza |
hacker != cracker |
| 03:34 |
stormchaser3000 |
and i am not a cracker |
| 03:34 |
stormchaser3000 |
lol |
| 03:34 |
stormchaser3000 |
if i was i would have admin privs on all servers |
| 03:34 |
kaeza |
a hacker builds, a cracker destroys |
| 03:35 |
stormchaser3000 |
and many griefeers would be banned |
| 03:35 |
kaeza |
don't mix them |
| 03:35 |
Peacock |
i think crackers prefer to be called "white folk" |
| 03:35 |
* stormchaser3000 |
thinks peacock is racist all of a sudden |
| 03:36 |
Peacock |
yes, i am extremely racist against my own people lol (i think that's called a liberal) |
| 03:36 |
kaeza |
lol |
| 03:36 |
stormchaser3000 |
not lol |
| 03:39 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I have these 1/2 sized Herobrines wandering around the caves on my server, saying "STEVE" (sampled from the monkey from Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs). It's a little disconcerting. |
| 03:39 |
VanessaE |
hey grog |
| 03:39 |
stormchaser3000 |
on your server what s the ip and port i forgor |
| 03:39 |
stormchaser3000 |
forgor |
| 03:39 |
stormchaser3000 |
forgot |
| 03:39 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Howdy V |
| 03:40 |
thefamilygrog66 |
sorry, it's not public stormchaser |
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| 03:40 |
VanessaE |
thefamilygrog66: Y U NO PLAY ON MY SERVERS? :) |
| 03:40 |
stormchaser3000 |
i know |
| 03:40 |
stormchaser3000 |
but what is the ip |
| 03:40 |
stormchaser3000 |
so i can connect |
| 03:40 |
stormchaser3000 |
(mannualy typing it in) |
| 03:40 |
thefamilygrog66 |
no, I mean it's a private server - locked down right now |
| 03:41 |
thefamilygrog66 |
the computer it's running on is on its last legs, I'm afraid. Gotta set up a new frankenputer soon... |
| 03:42 |
us^0gb |
I built one of those once. |
| 03:42 |
us^0gb |
All the parts were outdated though, so the machine itself is new, yet outdated. |
| 03:42 |
thefamilygrog66 |
there are a lot of spare parts lying around at work, fortunately |
| 03:42 |
thefamilygrog66 |
which server do you recommend, V? |
| 03:43 |
stormchaser3000 |
kaeza's server |
| 03:43 |
stormchaser3000 |
or vanessae's server |
| 03:43 |
kaeza |
lol |
| 03:43 |
stormchaser3000 |
or sfan5's server |
| 03:43 |
stormchaser3000 |
(survival not hunger games) |
| 03:43 |
thefamilygrog66 |
does it have Khaaaaaaaaan's loon sounds? |
| 03:43 |
kaeza |
or any other server? |
| 03:44 |
stormchaser3000 |
um |
| 03:44 |
Peacock |
loon sounds? damn that was a long time ago |
| 03:44 |
VanessaE |
thefamilygrog66: it depends on your preference. vanessae.mine.bz port 30000 (my game, Creative), 30001 (my game, modestly modified, Survival), 30002 (Nostalgia Game), 30003 (Nore's MG), 30004 (Realtest Game) |
| 03:44 |
stormchaser3000 |
cheese burger's server |
| 03:44 |
Peacock |
and i can't make those sounds anymore by court order :( |
| 03:44 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I just downloaded yer version of ambient sounds or something, dude |
| 03:45 |
thefamilygrog66 |
lol, I picture you running from the police with your hands cupped in front of your face, making loon sounds while fleeing |
| 03:45 |
stormchaser3000 |
lol |
| 03:45 |
thefamilygrog66 |
which one is the most challening, V? |
| 03:46 |
Peacock |
i make a decent wookie actually lol |
| 03:46 |
thefamilygrog66 |
*challenging |
| 03:46 |
thefamilygrog66 |
nice |
| 03:46 |
Peacock |
though ive actually never been arrested, many close calls, but when you can make 'em laugh, they tend to take it easy lol |
| 03:47 |
thefamilygrog66 |
man, the constant burning sound coming from underground (due to those damn dungeonmasters) is also freaking me out |
| 03:47 |
VanessaE |
thefamilygrog66: Realtest, by a wide margin |
| 03:47 |
VanessaE |
(most challenging) |
| 03:47 |
Peacock |
im not a fan of those dungeonmasochists either |
| 03:47 |
thefamilygrog66 |
cool, I'll check it out |
| 03:47 |
thefamilygrog66 |
fire bad. |
| 03:48 |
thefamilygrog66 |
- frankenstein's monster |
| 03:48 |
Peacock |
btw grog, seen this? http://youtu.be/P7Jy312JCUQ |
| 03:49 |
thefamilygrog66 |
haha, yes I did watch that one today actually |
| 03:49 |
thefamilygrog66 |
what a freakin train wreck |
| 03:49 |
Peacock |
i only saw it this morning, LMFAO'd myself |
| 03:50 |
Peacock |
and i thought they had it bad in Montreal |
| 03:50 |
Peacock |
all we're missing is a scandal in Vancouver and we'll have a hat trick lol |
| 03:51 |
thefamilygrog66 |
it's a clown show for sure |
| 03:52 |
thefamilygrog66 |
hey, look at me running xchat on my windows laptop, eh? no more webchat for this guy |
| 03:52 |
Peacock |
windows laptop? |
| 03:52 |
Peacock |
christ compels you! install trisquell! |
| 03:52 |
Peacock |
:P |
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us^0gb |
Christ isn't with our group. |
| 03:53 |
us^0gb |
Don't lump him in with us. |
| 03:53 |
us^0gb |
(Please.) |
| 03:53 |
thefamilygrog66 |
sounds like a freakin cracker |
| 03:54 |
Peacock |
http://bornagainpagan.com/other/041-where-is-your-god-now.gif |
| 03:54 |
us^0gb |
When God gives you lemons, find a new god. |
| 03:54 |
Peacock |
well RMS has a messianic complex of his own :P so im not sure which is better |
| 03:55 |
thefamilygrog66 |
holy PNG warnings, VanessaE! |
| 03:55 |
us^0gb |
Stallman is a fool in many ways. He should not be blindly followed. |
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| 03:55 |
VanessaE |
yeah I know, but it's Dan's game, and it works despite the warnings :) |
| 03:55 |
us^0gb |
But that doesn't mean many of his ideas are not good. |
| 03:56 |
Peacock |
his analysis (plural?) are correct, but his remedies and methods are questionable at best, let's leave it at that :P |
| 03:56 |
us^0gb |
Some of his analisises are off as well, as best I can tell. |
| 03:57 |
us^0gb |
There's a bit of flawed logic in there as well. |
| 03:57 |
Peacock |
past his prime, happens to the best of us :P |
| 03:57 |
Peacock |
you know this batch of sunday gravy fills the whole 40L pot? lol |
| 03:57 |
Peacock |
took me an hour just to chop up the onions, pepperoni and salami |
| 03:58 |
thefamilygrog66 |
what are you cooking up there? |
| 03:58 |
us^0gb |
I don't know what you mean with your food references. |
| 03:58 |
Peacock |
sunday gravy (spaghetti sauce) |
| 03:58 |
Peacock |
no one here's seen Goodfellas? |
| 03:58 |
us^0gb |
Is this a change of topic? |
| 03:58 |
Peacock |
well personally id rather talk about food than RMS lol |
| 03:58 |
us^0gb |
I have not. I assumed this was some sort of expression. |
| 03:59 |
us^0gb |
I'd rather talk abut food as well. |
| 03:59 |
thefamilygrog66 |
is that what the kids are calling it these days? |
| 03:59 |
us^0gb |
My favorite is a good mild salsa with lemon juice. |
| 03:59 |
us^0gb |
*about |
| 03:59 |
Peacock |
http://youtu.be/MQhBfRDd6GM |
| 04:02 |
thefamilygrog66 |
bitcoins |
| 04:02 |
Peacock |
bitcoins? lol |
| 04:02 |
thefamilygrog66 |
just saw them mentioned on the triscuits site |
| 04:02 |
thefamilygrog66 |
*trisquell |
| 04:02 |
thefamilygrog66 |
*trisquel |
| 04:02 |
thefamilygrog66 |
jebus |
| 04:03 |
Peacock |
i still think bitcoins is a scam lol |
| 04:03 |
us^0gb |
I wonder if I could buy crackers with bitcoins ... assuming I actually had any bitcoins. |
| 04:03 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I don't quite get the concept |
| 04:03 |
thefamilygrog66 |
but I'm old and things frighten me |
| 04:03 |
us^0gb |
I don't know what to think of bitcoins, so I mostly ignore them. |
| 04:03 |
Warr1024 |
you usually can't buy groceries with them |
| 04:04 |
* thefamilygrog66 |
doesn't like the looks of those teenagers |
| 04:04 |
VanessaE |
it's just a modern equivalent to Flooz |
| 04:04 |
Peacock |
concept is easy, the fact that the author is anonymous, and seems to be holding a large number of them him/herself, that concerns me lol |
| 04:04 |
VanessaE |
and whatever else they tried to push back in y2k |
| 04:04 |
us^0gb |
Teenagers are quite frightening. |
| 04:04 |
VanessaE |
well prior. |
| 04:04 |
VanessaE |
the .com bust rathr |
| 04:04 |
VanessaE |
rather* |
| 04:04 |
thefamilygrog66 |
isn't it kinda like vidyergame money? |
| 04:04 |
us^0gb |
Yeah, sort of. |
| 04:04 |
Peacock |
well geeks have a really good handle on technology, and just as much a bad handle on the real world lol |
| 04:05 |
thefamilygrog66 |
hmmm, not gonna pay my oil bill with that |
| 04:05 |
Warr1024 |
I've been thinking about accepting bitcoins as donations for free software I publish; the only thing I'd really likely do with them is donate them to other charities... |
| 04:05 |
Warr1024 |
They ARE real money (technically, at least in the USA) |
| 04:05 |
Peacock |
bitcoins are also deflationary (a set amount) |
| 04:05 |
Warr1024 |
except there's a very narrow market for them. |
| 04:06 |
Peacock |
so as a real currency it's a joke, because the longer you hold onto to them, the more you can buy |
| 04:06 |
Warr1024 |
how's that a joke? |
| 04:06 |
Warr1024 |
I'd think it would be the other way around. |
| 04:06 |
Peacock |
ever heard of the great depression? |
| 04:06 |
us^0gb |
That sounds like interest to me. |
| 04:06 |
Warr1024 |
actually, bitcoins will lose value |
| 04:07 |
Warr1024 |
because as the supply starts to go down, other competing virtual currencies will start to get more attractive. |
| 04:07 |
thefamilygrog66 |
kinda like the CAN$ |
| 04:07 |
Peacock |
if holding onto your money rather than spending it means you can buy more, than who has incentive to spend money? and consequently, what does it do to the economy? |
| 04:07 |
Warr1024 |
holding onto money doesn't allow you to buy more indefinitelly. |
| 04:07 |
Warr1024 |
you will eventually die. |
| 04:08 |
Warr1024 |
after that, you can't buy shit. |
| 04:08 |
Peacock |
well since bitcoins have an artificial limit, they'll increasingly be worth more with time, which means prices must continually come down |
| 04:08 |
thefamilygrog66 |
a) how does one earn bitcoins? b) what sorts of items can be bought with them? |
| 04:08 |
Warr1024 |
also, the mining of new bitcoins is tied to computing hashes of transaction blocks, which means it requires transactions. |
| 04:08 |
Peacock |
id rather invest my money in property, god ain't making any more of it |
| 04:09 |
Warr1024 |
Peacock: yeah, but everybody else is. |
| 04:09 |
Warr1024 |
are you talkin' real property or chattels? |
| 04:09 |
Warr1024 |
and if you're talking real, land or improvements? |
| 04:10 |
Peacock |
land where i am, by the time i retire, ittl probably be the outskirts of the city |
| 04:11 |
Warr1024 |
thefamilygrog66: a) by either "mining" them, or just getting paid them for shit like regular money, and 2) whatever people are willing to sell for them. Virtual currency is mostly exchanged for virtual goods. |
| 04:11 |
Warr1024 |
Peacock: that works as long as there isn't a housing crash again. |
| 04:11 |
thefamilygrog66 |
there never was a housing crash here |
| 04:11 |
thefamilygrog66 |
yet... |
| 04:11 |
Warr1024 |
the way our global economy is designed, we need to have a crash every so often to realign inflated prices with actual value. |
| 04:11 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Peacock and I are up in Canuckistan, remember? |
| 04:11 |
Warr1024 |
of course, who knows where it will strike. |
| 04:12 |
Peacock |
our banks are a little more solid than down south |
| 04:12 |
Peacock |
for starters, our gov't never backed risky loans |
| 04:12 |
Warr1024 |
in that case, don't invest too heavily in land, as shitty neighbors will lower your property values. |
| 04:13 |
Peacock |
you can have shitty neighbours anywhere... i dont see that as a valid reason not to buy lol |
| 04:13 |
thefamilygrog66 |
all neighbours are shitty |
| 04:13 |
Warr1024 |
I was referring to Canada's shitty neighbor :-D |
| 04:13 |
thefamilygrog66 |
"hell is other people" |
| 04:13 |
thefamilygrog66 |
haha |
| 04:13 |
Peacock |
condos are worse than a plot of land in the country |
| 04:14 |
Warr1024 |
yeah, killing your own food in a condo is frowned upon. |
| 04:14 |
* thefamilygrog66 |
sold my plot of land in the country earlier this year |
| 04:14 |
Warr1024 |
Down here in the states, not every one of us has a plot of land to sell. |
| 04:15 |
* us^0gb |
confirms this |
| 04:15 |
Peacock |
yeah but you guys also wasted a shitton of money on homes 10x than what you needed |
| 04:15 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I had to move into the city - the commute was driving me nuts. |
| 04:15 |
Peacock |
*10x bigger |
| 04:15 |
Warr1024 |
well, it worked out well for me. I got mine at the bottom of the market. |
| 04:16 |
dafull97 |
wow Pilzadam's client is awesome! |
| 04:16 |
Peacock |
grog well i live downtown in a small city, where the rent is half for the same space in a big city downtown |
| 04:16 |
Peacock |
well yeah the best time to buy is when the markets' in the toilets, sellers are desperate |
| 04:16 |
us^0gb |
dafull97: Which client? |
| 04:17 |
Peacock |
i would have never bought anything between 05-07, even back then i thought it was too expensive |
| 04:17 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I'm digging the 3% 5 year fixed rate |
| 04:17 |
dafull97 |
idk, the download page |
| 04:17 |
dafull97 |
said pilzadam |
| 04:18 |
Peacock |
well im still renting since we had a bankrupcty a year ago :P |
| 04:18 |
us^0gb |
dafull97: Sorry, I thought you meant PilzAdam's IRC client. I thought he talked you into switching or something. |
| 04:18 |
Warr1024 |
5 year fixed? you mean unfixed after 5 years? |
| 04:18 |
dafull97 |
haha no the minetest |
| 04:18 |
Peacock |
though im still glad we pay half the rent than most our friends back in Montreal |
| 04:18 |
dafull97 |
i decided to try |
| 04:18 |
thefamilygrog66 |
after 5 years can choose another fixed or variable |
| 04:18 |
Warr1024 |
wait, pilzadam has a custom client? |
| 04:18 |
dafull97 |
yes |
| 04:19 |
Peacock |
if i had to buy today, id chose something i could afford if the interest rate was much higher, in case. |
| 04:19 |
thefamilygrog66 |
but my monthly mortgage payment stays the same for 5 years |
| 04:19 |
Warr1024 |
I ended up finally deciding to buy when my mortgage for a house ended up being a bit cheaper than my rent for a townhouse. |
| 04:19 |
Peacock |
im actually looking for a rent-to-buy agreement |
| 04:20 |
Warr1024 |
I don't even really get how those work. |
| 04:20 |
Peacock |
if the place turns out to have hidden problems, i can dump it after a year |
| 04:20 |
thefamilygrog66 |
my house was only $165K, so it's pretty reasonable |
| 04:20 |
thefamilygrog66 |
(small city as well) |
| 04:20 |
Peacock |
rent to buy? simple, if you decide to buy, all your rent payments count as a down |
| 04:20 |
Warr1024 |
so after a while, you can just decide to say "oh, I was actually paying rent all along" or "oh, I was making payments against the property?" |
| 04:20 |
Warr1024 |
that kind of flexibility must come at some cost... |
| 04:21 |
Peacock |
no, after a while you can decide, hey id like to own this place, and your rent payments arent for nought |
| 04:21 |
Warr1024 |
otherwise the buyer/renter gets a lot of benefit, with the seller/renter taking a lot of risk. |
| 04:21 |
Peacock |
well alot of rentals are being converted into condos, so rent-to-buy is beneficial to both parties |
| 04:21 |
Warr1024 |
hm, maybe it makes sense with real property |
| 04:22 |
Warr1024 |
I hear people talking about doing that with cars... |
| 04:22 |
Peacock |
i wouldn't buy a flat to live in it forever, i'd pay off as much as i could then buy real property (land and a small house) |
| 04:22 |
Peacock |
cuz honestly, condo boards suck donkey balls |
| 04:22 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I plan on living in the city until my kids are older |
| 04:23 |
thefamilygrog66 |
could never deal with condos and all that entails |
| 04:23 |
Peacock |
seriously |
| 04:23 |
Peacock |
its like living in a commune, every aspect of your personal life is scrutinized |
| 04:23 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I like cutting my lawn when it suits me, haha |
| 04:23 |
Peacock |
"you had guests over last night that made a bit of noise leaving at 2am" |
| 04:23 |
Peacock |
a fucking door makes noise lol |
| 04:24 |
Warr1024 |
sorry, if you still have guests at 2AM, it's your duty to shoot them with tranquilizer guns and don't wake them until 9AM at the earliest. |
| 04:24 |
thefamilygrog66 |
"sorry, you can't paint your condo that colour - it's not in the list of approved shades of brown" |
| 04:24 |
Peacock |
they want to legalize assisted suicide, there are a few people in my last condo i would have liked to assist lol |
| 04:24 |
Peacock |
they wont even let you change the floors no matter how fucking bad the carpet is lol |
| 04:25 |
VanessaE |
if we ever get this house (or any), I am never letting anyone tell me what I can or cannot put in my yard, what color my window have to be, or any of that shit. |
| 04:25 |
thefamilygrog66 |
stick it to the man, VanessaE! |
| 04:25 |
Warr1024 |
Well, I've got an HOA, but they mostly only bitch about stuff visible from the outside. |
| 04:25 |
VanessaE |
it'll be MY house and I will do with it as I please (well, ours Abe and I) |
| 04:25 |
Peacock |
so no gated communities for vanessa :P those are almost as bad |
| 04:25 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: FUCK NO |
| 04:25 |
thefamilygrog66 |
hahaha |
| 04:25 |
hmmmm |
HOAs are horrible |
| 04:25 |
VanessaE |
and if a HOA ever tries to move in, I will NOT sit back quietly. |
| 04:25 |
Warr1024 |
I don't think they can just move in. |
| 04:25 |
Warr1024 |
don't they need unanymous buy-in from existing residents? |
| 04:26 |
VanessaE |
Warr1024: I've heard stories of just that. |
| 04:26 |
Peacock |
HOA? |
| 04:26 |
hmmmm |
look it up peacock |
| 04:26 |
Warr1024 |
some people like 'em, I guess. |
| 04:26 |
VanessaE |
Home Owners' Association |
| 04:26 |
Warr1024 |
Mine hasn't been much of a pain. |
| 04:26 |
VanessaE |
and I' |
| 04:26 |
Warr1024 |
not yet, at least. |
| 04:26 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I'm happy with a small house and decent yard, within walking/biking distance to work and downtown, rooms for my kids, and nobody to tell me what I can or can't do with my own house/yard. |
| 04:26 |
hmmmm |
all you need to know is that you should avoid any properties that are under a HOA |
| 04:26 |
Peacock |
oh jesus, thats like a condo board lol |
| 04:26 |
VanessaE |
I've heard stories of them just "moving in" as long as enough residents agree |
| 04:27 |
VanessaE |
those who didn't were basically fucked, or were made to think they were. |
| 04:27 |
hmmmm |
that's horrible and sounds illegal |
| 04:27 |
hmmmm |
I wonder why they didn't fight back |
| 04:27 |
Peacock |
i would have burnt my property lol |
| 04:27 |
VanessaE |
who knows |
| 04:27 |
Peacock |
collect the insurance, move somewhere sane |
| 04:28 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I can't see it happening where I am - old school (i.e. wartime) suburbs |
| 04:28 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: few bricks through the right organizations' windows would be more effective. |
| 04:28 |
Peacock |
lol seriously, if i own my property, i'll do whatever the fuck i want with it, and if they have something to say, they better come heavy or not at all lol |
| 04:29 |
Warr1024 |
I dunno, HOA's seem kind of benign to me; in exchange for asking for approval for everything you want to do to the exterior of your home, your neighbors have to do the same, so you don't buy a house, then move in next to some ass-hole who paints his whole house gold and neon pink and takes down your property values. |
| 04:29 |
Peacock |
my wife's a native and she doesn't need permits to bare arms lol |
| 04:29 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I hear ya. Wanna get a chicken coop in my backyard next year. |
| 04:29 |
VanessaE |
Warr1024: which is the whole problem: |
| 04:29 |
Warr1024 |
Bare arms are fine as long as you remember sunscreen. |
| 04:30 |
Warr1024 |
VanessaE: what's the problem? |
| 04:30 |
VanessaE |
DON'T BUY A HOUSE JUST TO THINK OF ITS FUTURE PROPERTY VALUES!!~ |
| 04:30 |
VanessaE |
fucking buy the place to LIVE THERE |
| 04:30 |
thefamilygrog66 |
hear hear |
| 04:30 |
Warr1024 |
eh, property values are not entirely unimportant until I've payed the place off. |
| 04:30 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I'm painting my house green, orange and purple |
| 04:30 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Because I like secondary colours |
| 04:31 |
Peacock |
*bear arms lol im not english |
| 04:31 |
VanessaE |
property values have SOME meaning yes, but if you're gonna live out the rest of your life there, why do they matter? |
| 04:31 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Besides, paint is cheap in the long run |
| 04:31 |
Warr1024 |
well, who knows where life will take me in the years to come. |
| 04:31 |
Peacock |
well more to the core, do you own the property or not? if you do, it's yours do with as you wish |
| 04:31 |
Warr1024 |
own is a complicated thing. |
| 04:31 |
Peacock |
only rentals have rules |
| 04:32 |
VanessaE |
Warr1024: of course - but you should plan to make a home your home for life. |
| 04:32 |
VanessaE |
and if property values drop? oh well. that's life. |
| 04:32 |
Peacock |
well not for life |
| 04:32 |
Peacock |
life changes |
| 04:32 |
Warr1024 |
I just bought the thing, got a mortgage, so technically I "own it with a lien" but that's kind of like owning and kind of like not owning. |
| 04:32 |
thefamilygrog66 |
that said, this is my third house of my own |
| 04:32 |
Peacock |
i dont plan on having kids, but im a minority there |
| 04:32 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: how old are you? |
| 04:32 |
Peacock |
pushing 29 in not long lol |
| 04:33 |
thefamilygrog66 |
just a young pup |
| 04:33 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: give it another 10 years, and you'll start to feel the tiredness. |
| 04:33 |
Peacock |
well i'd have trouble living in the same place my whole life |
| 04:33 |
Peacock |
neighbourhoods change |
| 04:33 |
thefamilygrog66 |
try having two kids, and then talk to me about tiredness, haha |
| 04:33 |
Warr1024 |
I'm only 2 or 3 years older and the tiredness is already palpable. |
| 04:33 |
Peacock |
i dont want kids lol |
| 04:34 |
us^0gb |
Me neither. |
| 04:34 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: sure, they change. But that's true no matter where you live. Is it *really* worth all the effort to rip up and move every so often? |
| 04:34 |
VanessaE |
I can't have kids, thefamilygrog66. |
| 04:34 |
VanessaE |
but I believe you :) |
| 04:35 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I'm just saying I haven't slept well in over 12 years is all :) |
| 04:35 |
VanessaE |
haha |
| 04:35 |
Peacock |
well im the kind of guy who walks around and explores his entire environment, so after a few years i like having new places to explore |
| 04:35 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: eventually you will get tired of exploring without having a permanent "base" to return to. |
| 04:35 |
Warr1024 |
Personally, I don't like moving, but who knows what'll happen. |
| 04:35 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I find playing in bands helps satisfy that, Peacock |
| 04:35 |
Peacock |
i have lived in TO, suburbs of TO, Montreal, Suburbs of Montreal and now more central Quebec |
| 04:35 |
thefamilygrog66 |
i.e. playing other cities |
| 04:35 |
Warr1024 |
not having a "base" does suck, and moving a "base" is a real painful process. |
| 04:36 |
Peacock |
well don't forget im an insomniac most of the year, so i do walk around alot :P |
| 04:36 |
VanessaE |
that's why older couples often go traveling - they have the time and money to do it, and the desire to look around I guess. |
| 04:36 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I'm playing a gig up in Ottawa tomorrow night, which should be a blast |
| 04:36 |
VanessaE |
(or some do anyway) |
| 04:36 |
Warr1024 |
Peacock: seasonal affective disorder or something? |
| 04:36 |
thefamilygrog66 |
my folks used to go on cruises every winter - now my Mom does |
| 04:37 |
Peacock |
dunno, i have a hard time experiencing the same places and same people for very long, i need change in that department, i think that's what makes me antisocial lol |
| 04:37 |
Peacock |
Warr1024 i mostly don't sleep in fall and winter yes |
| 04:37 |
Warr1024 |
they say that special full-spectrum lightbulbs help with that... |
| 04:37 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: yeah, see, you're the exception. |
| 04:38 |
Warr1024 |
I guess that kind of thing would be worse living farther from the equator. |
| 04:38 |
VanessaE |
most people aren't antisocial fuckers like you ;) |
| 04:38 |
* thefamilygrog66 |
is |
| 04:38 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 04:38 |
thefamilygrog66 |
haha |
| 04:38 |
Warr1024 |
I dunno, y'all talk an awful lot in here to be "antisocial." |
| 04:38 |
thefamilygrog66 |
and yet strangely sociable |
| 04:38 |
Peacock |
well, my parents always said i got bored with everything easily, i guess they weren't kidding :P |
| 04:38 |
thefamilygrog66 |
it's a dichotomy |
| 04:38 |
VanessaE |
maybe you're just ADD :) |
| 04:39 |
thefamilygrog66 |
sounds like ADD to me |
| 04:39 |
Peacock |
heck i'd even like to try living in Yellowknife and Whitehorse :P |
| 04:39 |
VanessaE |
come down to North Carolina for a while. then you'll see what makes it so inviting :() |
| 04:39 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 04:40 |
Peacock |
ive been labeled ADD, and a dozen other things too lol |
| 04:40 |
thefamilygrog66 |
hehe |
| 04:40 |
Peacock |
see 2 doctors, get 5 opinons lol |
| 04:40 |
VanessaE |
hahga |
| 04:40 |
VanessaE |
haha |
| 04:41 |
thefamilygrog66 |
What's NC like, V? |
| 04:41 |
Peacock |
i mean its no secret ive had over 30 very different jobs lol |
| 04:41 |
Peacock |
probably warm :P |
| 04:41 |
thefamilygrog66 |
warmer than here, I'm sure... |
| 04:42 |
VanessaE |
thefamilygrog66: the weather is usually good, the scenery is breathtaking, and the people are generally really nice. |
| 04:42 |
thefamilygrog66 |
cool |
| 04:42 |
VanessaE |
well warmer, sure. |
| 04:42 |
VanessaE |
but I meant the winters don't get crazy like they do in the north |
| 04:42 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I haven't been to the US in like 17 years or something |
| 04:43 |
thefamilygrog66 |
lived in New Orleans for a couple months back in my early 20s |
| 04:43 |
thefamilygrog66 |
toured down the west coast in my mid-late 20s |
| 04:45 |
thefamilygrog66 |
so why is this server "realtest"? |
| 04:46 |
thefamilygrog66 |
what does that mean, exactly? |
| 04:46 |
Peacock |
i think i went to florida in 95 |
| 04:47 |
VanessaE |
that's Dan Duncombe's rewrite of sda97's Realtest Game, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2671 |
| 04:48 |
VanessaE |
just about everything you could want to change about minetest_game has been changed. that ^^^ was the result. |
| 04:48 |
VanessaE |
Dan cleaned it up and brought it all up-to-date. |
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Peacock |
what sticks out most in my memory of florida is the humidity lol |
| 04:50 |
dumdidum |
hello, is there any use for leaves? |
| 04:50 |
VanessaE |
use them for fuel, dumdidum |
| 04:50 |
Peacock |
toilet paper :P |
| 04:50 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I use leaves for making rope |
| 04:50 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: it has...changed. the whackos got even more whacko. |
| 04:50 |
Peacock |
must be the sun, Icarus and all :P |
| 04:50 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I never met any wackos in New Orleans. |
| 04:51 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Oh wait. |
| 04:51 |
dumdidum |
VanessaE: don't burn long enough and i have electric furnaces ... |
| 04:51 |
Peacock |
though increasingly the humidity up north in the summer has been reminding me of that lol |
| 04:51 |
dumdidum |
ropes would be an idea ... but what to do with so much of them? ^^ |
| 04:52 |
Peacock |
you know what looks cool though? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willemstad i'd like to visit that place |
| 04:54 |
thefamilygrog66 |
dumdidum, I use them for climbing cliffs, etc. |
| 04:54 |
VanessaE |
brb |
| 04:54 |
thefamilygrog66 |
they're part of the moreblocks mod, however |
| 04:58 |
dumdidum |
thefamilygrog66, for climbing i use what i have in that moment ... |
| 04:58 |
thefamilygrog66 |
fair enough |
| 04:58 |
dumdidum |
i could produce unprocessed plastic base :D |
| 04:58 |
thefamilygrog66 |
yep |
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NekoGloop |
Our legion of nyancats... they shall blot out the sun! |
| 05:01 |
VanessaE |
NekoGloop: forget the nyan cats. fix the damn kitten generator |
| 05:01 |
VanessaE |
Oldcoder's and thefamilygrog66's kitten piles are drindling. |
| 05:01 |
NekoGloop |
that's why i have so many nyan cats |
| 05:01 |
VanessaE |
dwindling* |
| 05:02 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I try to keep the kitty litter cleaned regularly |
| 05:02 |
paramat |
okay i cant wait for proller, seems to be unavailable, if anyone wants to test my core floatlands fix in their next compile i would be very grateful :) |
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us^0gb |
paramat: I can run update_minetest (my update command) now. What am I looking for to test? |
| 05:08 |
paramat |
hey cool ... |
| 05:09 |
thefamilygrog66 |
getting sleepy - gonna crash now. night folks! |
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VanessaE |
night |
| 05:09 |
us^0gb |
Good night! |
| 05:09 |
ndjdjksisksk |
um hi |
| 05:09 |
us^0gb |
Hello! |
| 05:09 |
ndjdjksisksk |
um |
| 05:09 |
VanessaE |
hi ndjdjksisksk |
| 05:09 |
ndjdjksisksk |
lol |
| 05:10 |
ndjdjksisksk |
i need to fix my username |
| 05:10 |
paramat |
... new code is here https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=117500#p117500 |
| 05:10 |
us^0gb |
/nick <name> |
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ndjdjksisksk |
it's not working |
| 05:11 |
paramat |
... the existing floatland code is here https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/mapgen_indev.cpp#L347 |
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us^0gb |
paramat: Okay, I guess my update command is no good here. Once that function is replaced, what am I looking for to test it? |
| 05:11 |
paramat |
issue at github https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/989 |
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paramat |
floatlands get larger towards world edges and towards y = 31000, so teleport to (30000 30000 30000) and check terrain is continuous over chunk boundaries |
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OldCoder |
Hey |
| 05:14 |
OldCoder |
Sapier is long gone I assume |
| 05:14 |
* OldCoder |
has hoped for 7 days to find him |
| 05:14 |
OldCoder |
And nobody else knows what to do about a serialize sdata nil mobf error |
| 05:14 |
OldCoder |
Oh, well |
| 05:14 |
VanessaE |
he's in .de I think so expect him to return soon |
| 05:15 |
VanessaE |
[11-08 18:03] * sapier has quit (Quit: Leaving.) |
| 05:16 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, I will be most pleased to speak with him as the worlds must rise again. So will kahrl pursue merge in the next week or two? |
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us^0gb |
paramat: Okay, I'm on it. |
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OldCoder |
us^0gb, Hi! |
| 05:16 |
paramat |
:) |
| 05:17 |
us^0gb |
Hello, OldCoder! |
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OldCoder |
o/ |
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VanessaE |
OldCoder: idk, ask kahrl :) |
| 05:18 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, But you are apparent his Merge Muse :P |
| 05:18 |
Peacock |
this is soo my wife lol http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/30/article-0-16B0E7B6000005DC-397_964x655.jpg |
| 05:18 |
VanessaE |
ha! |
| 05:18 |
OldCoder |
You said you were encouraging the merge yourself |
| 05:18 |
OldCoder |
I have tested the client side... time to get a merge on |
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Peacock |
shadowbot doesn't seem to like oldcoder lol |
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ShadowBot was kicked by OldCoder: Enough is Enough |
| 05:22 |
Peacock |
lol |
| 05:22 |
Peacock |
nice |
| 05:22 |
OldCoder |
WTF did the bot kick me for? |
| 05:23 |
OldCoder |
I said like one thing! |
| 05:23 |
OldCoder |
D: |
| 05:23 |
Peacock |
beats me, you werent even flooding |
| 05:23 |
OldCoder |
D: |
| 05:23 |
OldCoder |
D: |
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OldCoder |
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| 05:23 |
OldCoder |
Yep |
| 05:23 |
OldCoder |
We do need it |
| 05:23 |
OldCoder |
ShadowNinja, I meant no harm by kicking the bot |
| 05:23 |
OldCoder |
But for Pete's Sake a little fine tuning might help |
| 05:23 |
Peacock |
every time anyone posts even 3 lines of code it kicks |
| 05:23 |
OldCoder |
Peacock, last year was pretty bad |
| 05:23 |
OldCoder |
We need a kickbot |
| 05:23 |
Peacock |
all the bots royally sucks |
| 05:23 |
OldCoder |
Nah |
| 05:24 |
OldCoder |
But seriously I don't know why it kicked me |
| 05:24 |
OldCoder |
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| 05:24 |
Peacock |
the forum bot is a PITA, the IRC bots are PITA lol |
| 05:24 |
OldCoder |
That is like the 10th time |
| 05:24 |
OldCoder |
The others were deserved |
| 05:24 |
OldCoder |
This time... WTF |
| 05:24 |
Peacock |
like serious-fucking-ly, i programmed better bots a decade ago lol |
| 05:24 |
OldCoder |
Anyway ShadowNinja you have my apologies but fine tune it please |
| 05:24 |
Peacock |
mine could log in to different websites and fetch info and stats |
| 05:24 |
OldCoder |
Peacock, Be polite to the departed bot... It served a purpose... May it rest in pieces :P |
| 05:25 |
OldCoder |
Yep |
| 05:25 |
OldCoder |
Lots can do that now |
| 05:25 |
OldCoder |
I should bring my own madmoo here sometime |
| 05:25 |
Peacock |
yeah but a decade ago that used to be impressive :P |
| 05:25 |
Peacock |
the bots today seemed half-assed |
| 05:25 |
OldCoder |
Must aim higher now |
| 05:25 |
us^0gb |
Cmake is throwing errors at me. It looks like I need to download a clean copy of Minetest. |
| 05:25 |
OldCoder |
Some do calculus |
| 05:25 |
Peacock |
*seem |
| 05:25 |
OldCoder |
us^0gb, Fortunately not difficult |
| 05:25 |
Peacock |
cmake doesn't like you, try dmake |
| 05:26 |
us^0gb |
Not difficult, but requires more downloading. |
| 05:26 |
OldCoder |
Yep |
| 05:28 |
us^0gb |
I've been wrestling with some erroneus software all day today and all night yesterday. Forgive me if I'm a bit lazy now. |
| 05:28 |
OldCoder |
Lazy is not crazy as you wend your way through the mazey |
| 05:28 |
Peacock |
well that's trisquel, ubuntu-based, which is debian-based |
| 05:28 |
Peacock |
try debian, or another root distro |
| 05:28 |
Peacock |
slackware has a new version |
| 05:28 |
OldCoder |
Yay |
| 05:28 |
OldCoder |
<- Used Slackware for a decade |
| 05:28 |
OldCoder |
But then I made my own |
| 05:29 |
Peacock |
i may try slackware soon |
| 05:29 |
OldCoder |
It is nice and friendly |
| 05:29 |
OldCoder |
Heh |
| 05:29 |
Peacock |
im neither satisfied with debian or arch |
| 05:29 |
OldCoder |
Like a coiled rattlesnack |
| 05:29 |
OldCoder |
Like a coiled rattlesnake * |
| 05:29 |
us^0gb |
My errors had nothing to do with my main system, but with the systems I keep locked up in virtual machines. Trisquel is still ticking on as usual. |
| 05:29 |
* OldCoder |
imagines that a snake for eating is a rattlesnack |
| 05:30 |
Peacock |
Ouroboros? |
| 05:31 |
Peacock |
though i dont like deriv of deriv of deriv distributions lol |
| 05:32 |
OldCoder |
My distro is no derive |
| 05:32 |
OldCoder |
My distro is no deriv * |
| 05:32 |
OldCoder |
And Slackware is the OLDEST |
| 05:32 |
OldCoder |
surviving distro |
| 05:32 |
OldCoder |
All others are children to it |
| 05:32 |
Peacock |
slackware/redhat/debian are some of the oldest |
| 05:32 |
OldCoder |
Even Red Hat and Debian :-) |
| 05:32 |
OldCoder |
Nah |
| 05:32 |
OldCoder |
Slackware |
| 05:32 |
OldCoder |
Is The First |
| 05:32 |
Peacock |
so why dont you put it out there? |
| 05:33 |
us^0gb |
I would prefer gNewSense, which is based on Debian directly, but it doesn't recognize my wireless card. Dragora, which is not based on anything, won't even install a working system. |
| 05:33 |
OldCoder |
Linux Number One |
| 05:33 |
OldCoder |
because I have my own distro to work on now Peacock |
| 05:33 |
Peacock |
well yeah but if you dev your own distro, why not publish? |
| 05:33 |
OldCoder |
Ah |
| 05:33 |
Peacock |
people are dying for a decent working distro lol |
| 05:33 |
OldCoder |
There is a story behind that. Far too dramatic for this channel. |
| 05:34 |
OldCoder |
If we become acquainted, I will explain |
| 05:34 |
OldCoder |
But thank you for the thought |
| 05:34 |
OldCoder |
It is TL;DR and Off Topic times 80,000 |
| 05:34 |
OldCoder |
Seriously |
| 05:34 |
Peacock |
if we could unite all the distros into 2 or 3 distinct distros/version, that'd be alot better than the 200 or 300 we have now lol |
| 05:34 |
OldCoder |
Yes and no |
| 05:34 |
OldCoder |
Distros rise and fall |
| 05:35 |
Peacock |
because thats 295/300 that totally suck lol |
| 05:35 |
OldCoder |
Based on merit, backing, other factros |
| 05:35 |
OldCoder |
Most die |
| 05:35 |
OldCoder |
The survivors evolve |
| 05:35 |
OldCoder |
it is good |
| 05:35 |
OldCoder |
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| 05:35 |
OldCoder |
Different strains arise |
| 05:35 |
OldCoder |
Different purposes |
| 05:35 |
Peacock |
like puppy? |
| 05:35 |
OldCoder |
Yes |
| 05:35 |
OldCoder |
Puppy is marvelous is it not? |
| 05:35 |
OldCoder |
But it is NOT |
| 05:35 |
Peacock |
puppy and slackware interest me |
| 05:35 |
OldCoder |
a replacement for Windows |
| 05:35 |
OldCoder |
Yes |
| 05:35 |
OldCoder |
Slackware Dare |
| 05:35 |
OldCoder |
Try it |
| 05:35 |
OldCoder |
Slackware is frightening |
| 05:35 |
Peacock |
well my P4 is having a harder and harder time running any of the latest distros |
| 05:36 |
OldCoder |
Slackware Scare |
| 05:36 |
OldCoder |
The Dare is to Slackware |
| 05:36 |
us^0gb |
The work load is increased, as work must be duplicated for each distribution. So there would be advantages to a combination. Yet I doubt a combination will happen any time soon, especially down to a single-digit number of distributions. |
| 05:36 |
OldCoder |
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| 05:36 |
OldCoder |
Here is an old Linux proverb Peacock |
| 05:36 |
Peacock |
so long as the p4 still functions technically, i wanna use it for HEPC |
| 05:36 |
OldCoder |
"When you learn Red Hat, you learn Red Hat. When you learn Slackware, you learn UNIX!" |
| 05:36 |
Peacock |
ogb: well considering the duplication of effort, and the missing features/software of linux, i think it would definately help to combine efforts and reduce the number of distros |
| 05:37 |
us^0gb |
It would have that advantage. It's also unlikely to happen though. |
| 05:37 |
Peacock |
i think the biggest hurdle right now is devs rewriting parts of software that work, to the detriment of what's missing/never been done |
| 05:38 |
us^0gb |
I wouldn't know about that, but it does sound like a problem. |
| 05:38 |
Peacock |
well, alsa -> pulseaudio, alsa worked for most people, what they wanted was audio editing software on par with proprietary solutions |
| 05:39 |
Peacock |
same with video editing |
| 05:39 |
us^0gb |
So ... stuff we didn't have then? |
| 05:39 |
Peacock |
linux could use a dictator lol |
| 05:39 |
Peacock |
stuff we've never had yeah lol |
| 05:39 |
us^0gb |
I thought you said it was a writing of stuff we already had. |
| 05:40 |
us^0gb |
There's also the fact that we have fifty text editors. I see why we would need more than one, but we might have too many. |
| 05:41 |
paramat |
0gb, no problem if you can't test that code :) you should of course feel free to be lazy |
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us^0gb |
Take GIMP for example. How many good image editors do we have? To the best of my knowledge, only GIMP. And that's all we need. |
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Peacock |
<us^0gb> I thought you said it was a writing of stuff we already had. |
| 05:42 |
Peacock |
i meant that devs focus on reinventing what already works |
| 05:42 |
us^0gb |
paramat: I just didn't want to download Minetest again or compile from scratch (as the patch would only require a partial compile on the old copy of Minetest). But I already downloaded and started the compiler. |
| 05:43 |
us^0gb |
Did Alsa work for what people needed it to work for? |
| 05:43 |
OldCoder |
Worked for me |
| 05:44 |
us^0gb |
From Peacock's description, it sounds like Pulse filled a need some people had. Not everyone, but it was a new feature. |
| 05:45 |
us^0gb |
It was before my time, I'm just going off what I hear here. |
| 05:45 |
Peacock |
except for intel onboard audio, which is what, 70% of the computers they sell in stores? |
| 05:46 |
us^0gb |
Is that for Windows then? |
| 05:46 |
Peacock |
since pulse came out, it hasn't work properly on *any* of the computers i've bought, if it was just 1 i'd excuse it as an anomaly lol |
| 05:47 |
Peacock |
100% of computers sold here are windows in OS and drivers, i dont feel like building my own and having worked at UPS i dont trust them to deliver the parts intact :P |
| 05:48 |
Peacock |
though it must make advocates' jobs difficult to convert people who already bought windows machine to use linux if shit like pulse won't work correctly with common audio hardware |
| 05:48 |
us^0gb |
Yeah, but Windows isn't functional. If Intel Onboard Audio is for Windows, it doesn't help people who want working systems. |
| 05:48 |
Peacock |
well this might sound naive, but you'll never convert people if linux doesn't work with the hardware they have :P |
| 05:49 |
Peacock |
and intel onboard audio is pretty standard on all the shit i've bought lol |
| 05:49 |
Warr1024 |
sudo apt-get remove pulse |
| 05:49 |
Peacock |
thats what i did yeah lol |
| 05:49 |
Peacock |
alsa worked fine before they fucked the pooch with pulseaudio |
| 05:49 |
us^0gb |
I'm not defending Pulse, I'm simply saying Intel Onboard Audio doesn't sound like an option. |
| 05:49 |
Warr1024 |
I need pulse for bluetooth audio when I want it, and I need ~pulse to get audio to work right in almost all other cases. |
| 05:50 |
Peacock |
ogb what i'm explaining is that it's not an option, you cant go into a store and say "i want X computer, with Y audio", it's standard here |
| 05:50 |
Warr1024 |
you can still buy add-in cards |
| 05:50 |
Warr1024 |
the extra expense can be justified not just with better drivers, but often better quality in other areas too |
| 05:50 |
Peacock |
i buy enough parts :P the p4 has practically had all its' parts swapped except for the mobo and casing lol |
| 05:50 |
us^0gb |
You have to buy it, but then it gets wiped when you install the working system. So we need a replacement. |
| 05:50 |
Warr1024 |
and of course a good advocate should have on hand a bunch of good working dumpster-dive parts to swap out :-) |
| 05:51 |
Peacock |
yeah but try justifying the expense to average computer users :P |
| 05:51 |
Warr1024 |
frankly I can't remember the last time I bought any kind of computer and the audio didn't work. Is this a recent thing? |
| 05:51 |
Warr1024 |
Mostly I've had problems with network adapters and 3d accel. |
| 05:51 |
Peacock |
only with pulseaudio |
| 05:51 |
Peacock |
archbang doesn't use pulseaudio, but crunchbang does, thats why i bitch about it recently lol |
| 05:52 |
Peacock |
wifi has actually been fine for me since about 08-09 |
| 05:52 |
Peacock |
before that it was hell even on oldschool ubuntu |
| 05:52 |
Warr1024 |
I haven't actually had much trouble with pulse, on the output side; it's usually the input (i.e. application -> middleware) that I have most of the problems. |
| 05:52 |
Warr1024 |
maybe because my pulse output driver is ALSA... |
| 05:53 |
Peacock |
well if i needed bluetooth audio desperately enough id use pulse, but more important, i need to not hear popping/screaching sounds on my basic speakers lol |
| 05:53 |
Warr1024 |
yeah, for a while I used to sudo apt-get install pulse and log out/in to use my bluetooth headset, then sudo apt-get remove it and relogin when I was done. |
| 05:54 |
Peacock |
my last speaker system had tears in it, and im pretty sure thats' pulse lol ive changed speakers and gone with alsa and the whole setup looks 1001% |
| 05:54 |
Warr1024 |
Partly I was too lazy to figure out how to actually properly disable/enable it on a per-user basis... |
| 05:54 |
Peacock |
i learned the gnarly commands for that :P |
| 05:54 |
Peacock |
still tedious though :P |
| 05:54 |
Warr1024 |
I suspect that pulse is just a case of too damn much ambition. |
| 05:55 |
Peacock |
i can respect their goals, but until it's ready for primetime, distros should have stuck with alsa |
| 05:55 |
Warr1024 |
frankly, all an audio system really has to do is move a speaker coil into one of several thousand positions, and do this a few tens of thousands of times a second. It shouldn't really be THAT complicated. |
| 05:55 |
Peacock |
people need working audio more than experimental features |
| 05:56 |
Warr1024 |
but then everyone wants to do all this fancy mixing, and effect plugins, and networked audio (even though the standard(s) for networked video are all different and unrelated) |
| 05:56 |
Peacock |
well alot of people tell me they like pulse because of per-app volume, though most of the audio apps i use have had their own volume bar since the 90s |
| 05:56 |
Warr1024 |
yeah, that per-app volume thing seemed like a product whose market had already moved on by the time anyone had figured it out. |
| 05:57 |
us^0gb |
Are dungeons able to generate this high up? |
| 05:57 |
Warr1024 |
I like the idea of prioritized audio, i.e. have some apps "duck" others when they're making sound, but I don't think I've ever seen that done in a way that could be useful to me. |
| 05:57 |
Peacock |
well, all the video and music players already have volume bars, whats important for the audio system at that point is to deliver the best audio possible |
| 05:58 |
Warr1024 |
or just deliver OK audio, but with absolutely no crashing :-) |
| 05:58 |
Peacock |
though pulse already said it's intels' fault that pulse sucks on intel onboard audio, so i have no reason to use them |
| 05:58 |
Warr1024 |
isn't there an option to use ALSA or some sane abstraction layer as a back-end to pulse? |
| 05:58 |
Peacock |
then why use pulse at all? |
| 05:59 |
Warr1024 |
so you get all the fancy mixing bullshit, but in the end have the actual audio rendering done by something that actually works. |
| 05:59 |
Peacock |
alsa has mixers lol |
| 05:59 |
Warr1024 |
like if you're using some software that doesn't work well with alsa. |
| 05:59 |
Warr1024 |
I've had an app or two that didn't like alsa on random occasions. |
| 06:00 |
Peacock |
when shit stops working with alsa and requires pulse that doesnt' work well on any of my machines, thats when i'll consider windows lol |
| 06:00 |
Peacock |
or buying a mac |
| 06:00 |
Warr1024 |
I wouldn't worry |
| 06:00 |
Warr1024 |
I rarely have issues myself. |
| 06:00 |
Warr1024 |
most of my stuff uses ALSA when I bother to configure it |
| 06:01 |
Warr1024 |
and I only have one app I can think of that likes Pulse better, and runs fine with Pulse piping into ALSA |
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Warr1024 |
I'm pretty sure the machine in question is 100% intel through and through. |
| 06:01 |
Peacock |
vlc supports pulse, but nothing else i use prefers it |
| 06:02 |
Peacock |
and like i said, archbang doesn't even default to pulse ol |
| 06:02 |
Warr1024 |
I think Mumble has given me headaches on anything other than "Default Output Device [PulseAudio]" |
| 06:02 |
Warr1024 |
though it's been a while, I may have to check |
| 06:02 |
Peacock |
well im not a fan of voicechat lol |
| 06:02 |
Warr1024 |
it's nice on private servers with a few friends. |
| 06:02 |
Warr1024 |
i.e. the sort of people you might talk on the phone with anyway :-) |
| 06:03 |
Peacock |
i hate talking on the phone lol |
| 06:03 |
Warr1024 |
I actually don't like it either, but it's a question of bandwidth. |
| 06:03 |
Peacock |
i prefer email/letter/txt |
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| 06:04 |
Peacock |
i get pissed off easily so i prefer the written form where i can think about what im saying lol |
| 06:04 |
paramat |
oops laptop crashed |
| 06:05 |
paramat |
i havent seen dungeons in floatlands |
| 06:05 |
Warr1024 |
So I was thinking of trying to add in a lua api call like minetest.update_texture(filename) that would reload a texture server-side, update the cache, and announce it to all clients for immediate download... anyone tried anything like that before? |
| 06:07 |
Warr1024 |
The idea is that I could do something like a skins mod that doesn't require restarting the server to change a player skin. Might be useful for other stuff too, assuming that the texture isn't updated *too* frequently... |
| 06:10 |
paramat |
water column vertical transport in core floatlands http://i.imgur.com/N1tlVNV.png |
| 06:11 |
VanessaE |
wow, that's a long way down... O.O |
| 06:14 |
us^0gb |
paramat: I'm seeing some odities, such as stone-without-dirt isles, but I'm not seeing anything that looks like chunk boundaries. |
| 06:14 |
Warr1024 |
is this the new v7 mapgen? |
| 06:15 |
Warr1024 |
how close is that thing to primetime? |
| 06:15 |
us^0gb |
No, indev. |
| 06:15 |
Warr1024 |
what's the diff? indev > v7? |
| 06:15 |
us^0gb |
Last I knew, v7 was still not close to done. |
| 06:15 |
us^0gb |
Indev is based on v6, not v7. |
| 06:16 |
Warr1024 |
ah, ok, so they're independent forks? |
| 06:16 |
us^0gb |
It's the same as v6, but with larger caves & biomes and floating isles. |
| 06:16 |
us^0gb |
Yeah, they're independent. |
| 06:16 |
Warr1024 |
it's all confusing. |
| 06:16 |
Warr1024 |
like the sqlite vs. leveldb thing |
| 06:17 |
Warr1024 |
it seems like leveldb is superior, but there are a few hoops to jump through to get it enabled... |
| 06:17 |
us^0gb |
LevelDB seems better, yes. The hoops will vanish. There wwere hoops to jump through to enable the server list originally as well. |
| 06:18 |
OldCoder |
LevelDB is friendly and good to see |
| 06:18 |
OldCoder |
LevelDB is kind to you and me |
| 06:18 |
OldCoder |
LevelDB is easy as one two three |
| 06:18 |
OldCoder |
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| 06:18 |
us^0gb |
paramat: I'm seeing random columns of dirt. |
| 06:19 |
paramat |
0gb, wow thanks, the stone without dirt appears in 'desert' biome areas |
| 06:19 |
us^0gb |
OldCoder: If only it were that easy for PowerPC .... |
| 06:19 |
paramat |
the random columns of dirt are a not-uncommon bug |
| 06:20 |
paramat |
... they were there before, so that sounds good =) |
| 06:20 |
OldCoder |
ah well |
| 06:20 |
us^0gb |
Okay, cool. |
| 06:20 |
us^0gb |
Both on the ground and in the air, or just in the air? |
| 06:21 |
paramat |
well personally i rarely the see those columns at ground level, more often in floatlands |
| 06:21 |
Warr1024 |
so will the default mapgen be changing any time soon? |
| 06:22 |
paramat |
and more often in my own lua mapgen |
| 06:22 |
Warr1024 |
or will we need to wait a good long while for one of the contenders to come out on top? |
| 06:22 |
paramat |
v7 will be the one when its done |
| 06:22 |
us^0gb |
Default mapgen is no longer an issue. THere is a mapgen selector that defaults to the last one you used. |
| 06:23 |
Warr1024 |
oh, this is a singleplayer thing? |
| 06:24 |
us^0gb |
It's in single player, but also on servers. |
| 06:24 |
paramat |
here's my 'uniflat' that hunts down crazy terrain in mapgen v7 and flattens it http://i.imgur.com/JSjwKFJ.png |
| 06:25 |
Warr1024 |
I just figured I shouldn't try changing the mapgen to anything other than the default unless I REALLY knew what I was doing :-/ |
| 06:25 |
Warr1024 |
or was willing to scrap the world if my experiments went badly. |
| 06:26 |
paramat |
another example that has left a floating rock above the flat area http://i.imgur.com/tlNkdHX.png |
| 06:26 |
us^0gb |
v6 and indev are both fine. Singlenode is best for use with certain games. The others are pretty useless for normal play right now. |
| 06:27 |
us^0gb |
paramat: I can't really tell what's going on. Does it try to kill mountains or something? |
| 06:27 |
Warr1024 |
normal play as in minetest_game or similar? |
| 06:27 |
us^0gb |
Warr1024: Yes. |
| 06:27 |
paramat |
0gb yeah lol |
| 06:27 |
us^0gb |
Indev is more interesting, v6 in more normal. |
| 06:28 |
paramat |
here's another angle on that last area http://i.imgur.com/h5g8RsB.png |
| 06:29 |
Warr1024 |
I'm trying to add some interesting gameplay stuff, but I keep running into all these "wouldn't it be cool if"'s that run me up against engine limitations. |
| 06:29 |
us^0gb |
THis is v7, right? Did you add the dirt and sand when flattening, or is that now in v7? |
| 06:30 |
us^0gb |
Warr1024: I know what you mean. |
| 06:33 |
paramat |
0gb, yeah v7 and i added those materials |
| 06:34 |
us^0gb |
Does anyone here know an IRC robot I can bounce text off of? I basically just need to be able to tell it ti tell me specific things. |
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| 06:44 |
hmmmm |
[01:24 AM] <paramat> here's my 'uniflat' that hunts down crazy terrain in mapgen v7 and flattens it http://i.imgur.com/JSjwKFJ.png |
| 06:44 |
paramat |
i wasnt expecting that floatland code to work first time. so now i'll have to get hold of a core dev or 2 and convince them to merge it for 0.4.8. thanks for the help 0gb |
| 06:44 |
hmmmm |
paramat, if you don't like crazy terrain, why don't you just fiddle with the mapgen parameters? |
| 06:44 |
paramat |
lol |
| 06:44 |
hmmmm |
paramat, we're in a feature freeze but your thing is more or less a bugfix so we'd merge it no problem |
| 06:45 |
paramat |
good i want a feature freeze |
| 06:45 |
us^0gb |
It's started already? Great, I'm running out of time then. |
| 06:45 |
hmmmm |
0.4.8 happens on Wednesday |
| 06:45 |
* us^0gb |
groans |
| 06:46 |
hmmmm |
it's about time, right? |
| 06:46 |
paramat |
right |
| 06:46 |
us^0gb |
Maybe, bad timing for me though. |
| 06:47 |
paramat |
only thing is i cant do the actual github pull request for this floatland code (sorry github newbie) |
| 06:50 |
paramat |
oh ... the uniflat mod isnt for getting rid of crazy terrain, i like those mad mountains of 0.4.7stable v7, they make excellent cliffs for the flat area |
| 06:51 |
hmmmm |
I was trying to get v6-like cliffs in some areas on v7 |
| 06:51 |
VanessaE |
I'd love to see v5 overhangs brought back :) |
| 06:52 |
VanessaE |
those were epic. |
| 06:52 |
hmmmm |
I really don't like how each mapgen has their own characteristics |
| 06:52 |
hmmmm |
what would be really cool if different regions could have bits of each |
| 06:52 |
paramat |
hmm'm i read your code for old and new v7 and got my head around it, mostly |
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hmmmm |
so I'm thinking |
| 06:52 |
hmmmm |
what if we generate different regions of the same map with different mapgens |
| 06:52 |
hmmmm |
along boundaries between these regions, we interpolate them together somehow |
| 06:53 |
VanessaE |
why not? as long as you use water to blend them |
| 06:53 |
VanessaE |
or do that |
| 06:53 |
paramat |
v5 was 3D perlin noise i think, apparently it is very processing intensive |
| 06:53 |
hmmmm |
lol that's gonna be tougher said than done |
| 06:53 |
VanessaE |
interpolating between neighboring blocks is gonna be messy though |
| 06:53 |
hmmmm |
paramat, 3d noise is extremely fast anymore |
| 06:53 |
hmmmm |
I was waiting for celeron to reimplement it but he never did |
| 06:53 |
paramat |
nice idea hmmm'm, about the differing mapgens |
| 06:54 |
hmmmm |
yeah but we don't need more idea guys, we need guys to actually make it happen |
| 06:54 |
paramat |
heheh |
| 06:54 |
hmmmm |
like I said.... it's way easier said than done |
| 06:56 |
paramat |
in exploring 0.4.7stable v7, although it had it's problems, the perlin noise modulated by another sometimes produced the most amazing forms, and i love the 'ridges' carved through everything |
| 06:56 |
hmmmm |
it's carp |
| 06:56 |
hmmmm |
crap* |
| 06:56 |
paramat |
its fish |
| 06:56 |
hmmmm |
lol |
| 06:59 |
hmmmm |
see I'm not really satisfied with v7 at all |
| 07:00 |
hmmmm |
even though it's technically "nice" |
| 07:00 |
hmmmm |
some of it just requires fiddling, some of the parameters need fiddling as well, and then there are some parts that I can't figure out how to do |
| 07:01 |
hmmmm |
one of the things I can't figure out is the biomes |
| 07:01 |
paramat |
in my lua mapgens i had problems with terrain crossing vertical chunk boundaries |
| 07:01 |
hmmmm |
the way Minecraft does biomes is that it just has two inputs, temperature and humidity, and from that it selects a biome which has an average height |
| 07:02 |
hmmmm |
first, I don't like how a biome has influence over the terrain shape, but that's really the only way to do it correctly |
| 07:02 |
hmmmm |
second, even if I wanted to do it that way, I couldn't make the terrain blend in properly |
| 07:03 |
hmmmm |
see I tried this with the very first v7 prototype and as you can predict, there were lots of sharp ridges of discontinuous terrain between biome boundaries |
| 07:03 |
Warr1024 |
I don't think minecraft has really done the temperature/humidity biome thing in a long time. |
| 07:03 |
paramat |
i saw you mention voronoi diagrams for temp / humidity space |
| 07:03 |
VanessaE |
well to be fair, |
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hmmmm |
minecraft interpolates terrain a whole lot so it solves that problem, and it also makes the top of ridges nice and flat which is also nice |
| 07:04 |
hmmmm |
I don't interpolate raw terrain points, I only interpolate noise |
| 07:04 |
VanessaE |
terrain has little to no real relationship to humidity and temp, short of high elevations generally being colder, or watery areas generally being higher humidity |
| 07:04 |
hmmmm |
well |
| 07:04 |
hmmmm |
I disagree, it does have an indirect relationship |
| 07:04 |
hmmmm |
cloud shadows |
| 07:04 |
VanessaE |
? |
| 07:05 |
hmmmm |
err |
| 07:05 |
VanessaE |
I mean the underlying terrain (dirt/rock) under things like snow-capped mountains or tree-laden forests |
| 07:05 |
VanessaE |
oh you mean the leeward side of a mountain? sure |
| 07:05 |
VanessaE |
but we aren't modeling the American midwest here ;) |
| 07:05 |
VanessaE |
(I think it's called a rain shadow) |
| 07:05 |
hmmmm |
that's not what it's called, I forget what it's called |
| 07:05 |
hmmmm |
rain shadow, probably |
| 07:07 |
Warr1024 |
if your ambition is to make something THAT realistic, then it's no surprise that v7 has been a long time in the making. |
| 07:07 |
VanessaE |
but anyway, I'm saying to mathematically generate the land, but change *what* you place based on whatever factors you want for the biome, not too different from what's done now. |
| 07:07 |
VanessaE |
but with far more variation than we see now |
| 07:07 |
paramat |
in my recent lua mapgens i reduce temp and humidity with altitude, so the terrain chooses the biome |
| 07:07 |
VanessaE |
something like what paramat's mod does |
| 07:08 |
VanessaE |
in fact I'd venture a guess that his method is exactly what's needed, but of course implemented in C++ |
| 07:08 |
VanessaE |
v7 was supposed to be able to do that, no? |
| 07:10 |
hmmmm |
well |
| 07:10 |
hmmmm |
I think so yeah |
| 07:10 |
hmmmm |
in a more indirect fashion |
| 07:10 |
paramat |
V, not sure if anything ive done is any solution for v7 *^_^* |
| 07:11 |
paramat |
interpolating terrain is what my flatten mods do, but i have probably misunderstood your problem |
| 07:12 |
paramat |
V, which mod are you referring to? |
| 07:13 |
VanessaE |
um |
| 07:13 |
VanessaE |
I can't remember the name now :) |
| 07:13 |
VanessaE |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7366 |
| 07:13 |
VanessaE |
this one |
| 07:13 |
paramat |
ah yeah |
| 07:14 |
VanessaE |
I think that mod is a good approach at least to the biomes; |
| 07:14 |
VanessaE |
the terrain is a different story, but once you have the terrain, the biomes should be able to just it right over it |
| 07:14 |
paramat |
the temp / humidity spaces are 3D, snow biomes become more common on higher ground |
| 07:15 |
VanessaE |
I mean, maybe you have a trench here, a river there, an 1km high mountain off that way, but what they're made *of* and what grows on them need not depend on anything but temperature, humidity, and elevation. |
| 07:15 |
VanessaE |
s/an/a/ |
| 07:16 |
VanessaE |
(and of course a "this land is fertile" perlin layetr) |
| 07:16 |
VanessaE |
(layer*) |
| 07:16 |
paramat |
fertility perlin =) |
| 07:16 |
VanessaE |
yep :) |
| 07:16 |
VanessaE |
(as in plants_lib, of course ;) ) |
| 07:16 |
VanessaE |
but seriously. |
| 07:17 |
VanessaE |
decide what to make the land out of and what to put on it based on temp/humidity/elevation[/fertility], but generate the actual underlying terrain's shape independently |
| 07:18 |
paramat |
so i can see now is the time for me to start learning c++, github, fork and pulling, compiling etc i just noticed i have been at the forums just over a year |
| 07:22 |
paramat |
so biome choosing the terrain seems backwards to me, terrain determines biome through altitude |
| 07:23 |
paramat |
my temp and humidity spaces are 2D noise in x and z, plus a linear reduction with altitude |
| 07:24 |
VanessaE |
that's how I do it also |
| 07:25 |
VanessaE |
(2d noise that is) |
| 07:25 |
VanessaE |
I don't account for elevation directly in the temperature model thoguh |
| 07:25 |
VanessaE |
I check it separately. |
| 07:27 |
VanessaE |
I probably should though, come to think of it. |
| 07:27 |
VanessaE |
what parameters/model are you using? |
| 07:28 |
paramat |
hm? temp and humidity? |
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VanessaE |
I use the original snow biomes settings for the temperature, the in-game settings that generate the deserts as my humidity control, fertility is just made up |
| 07:29 |
paramat |
ah i see |
| 07:29 |
paramat |
the snow biomes mod temp perlin has far too small a spread, 150 nodes |
| 07:29 |
VanessaE |
yeah, but I kept it because it was the standard :) |
| 07:29 |
VanessaE |
I wanted to remain compatible |
| 07:30 |
proller |
paramat, you can use getHeat / getHumidity |
| 07:30 |
paramat |
im using 500 nodes for temp and humidity, since the interaction tends to produce detail on half that scale |
| 07:30 |
OldCoder |
I may sleep soon. If Sapier comes passing along sdata nil serialize issue would be appreciated |
| 07:30 |
paramat |
hi proller :) yeah im looking forward to using that |
| 07:31 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: try to hold out a bit longer :) |
| 07:31 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: your kitten pile is dwindling because ^^^^^ he won't fix the kitten generator |
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OldCoder |
Are the kittens ok |
| 07:34 |
OldCoder |
I do not wish them turned into rugs and such |
| 07:37 |
VanessaE |
naw, the remaining kittens are fine :) |
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VanessaE |
but they're getting lonely, need more of 'em :) |
| 07:38 |
paramat |
okay its late here in the UK, im off :P |
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OldCoder |
Glad |
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OldCoder |
Zzz |
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VanessaE |
Ioff to bed too |
| 08:13 |
VanessaE |
I'm off to bed too, rather. |
| 08:13 |
VanessaE |
night all |
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GNADev|zRokh |
hey doods |
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hoodedice |
Anyone? |
| 08:35 |
kaeza |
no |
| 08:35 |
hoodedice |
debug.txt does not list every thing as in the console |
| 08:35 |
hoodedice |
It misses some outputs out |
| 08:35 |
kaeza |
debug_log_level = 4 |
| 08:35 |
hoodedice |
minetest.conf? |
| 08:35 |
kaeza |
yep |
| 08:36 |
hoodedice |
cool. Thanks |
| 08:37 |
hoodedice |
Wow. It did note a lot now |
| 08:37 |
hoodedice |
What is 'VERBOSE'? |
| 08:39 |
hoodedice |
"irrlicht doesn't support removing renderers" |
| 08:39 |
hoodedice |
? |
| 08:43 |
hoodedice |
kaeza |
| 08:43 |
hoodedice |
While the new log level is highly detailed |
| 08:43 |
hoodedice |
I cant find what I need |
| 08:44 |
hoodedice |
It goes like "ERROR: generate shader blah blah' |
| 08:44 |
kaeza |
well, you could start by telling what are you trying to do |
| 08:44 |
hoodedice |
Found it |
| 08:44 |
hoodedice |
Trying to work out RBA's GSL shaders on intel crapware |
| 08:47 |
kaeza |
no idea about that, sorry |
| 08:47 |
hoodedice |
This error line : Unary operation not folded into constant; is not showing up in the debug |
| 08:47 |
hoodedice |
.txt |
| 08:48 |
hoodedice |
Damn the Windows terminal emulator |
| 08:48 |
hoodedice |
(aka cmd) |
| 08:48 |
hoodedice |
IT IS SO GOD DAMN PRIMITIVE!! |
| 08:51 |
hoodedice |
"done" https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=117522#p117522 |
| 08:51 |
hoodedice |
Thank you, kaeza |
| 08:51 |
GNADev|zRokh |
who likes 2D Top-Down Survival games? |
| 08:51 |
kaeza |
np... for what? :P |
| 08:52 |
hoodedice |
Sup, GNADev|zRokh |
| 08:52 |
hoodedice |
Thanks for... hmm... Even I dunno XD |
| 08:52 |
GNADev|zRokh |
nothing much, developing a 2D top-down survival game... |
| 08:53 |
hoodedice |
Python? |
| 08:54 |
GNADev|zRokh |
Java :P |
| 08:54 |
kaeza |
lol |
| 08:54 |
GNADev|zRokh |
and im thinking about cross-platform multiplayer |
| 08:54 |
GNADev|zRokh |
like NDS and PC can do multiplayer together etc... |
| 08:55 |
GNADev|zRokh |
NDS version will be made after the beta is done for the PC |
| 08:55 |
hoodedice |
NDS? |
| 08:56 |
hoodedice |
nintedo |
| 08:56 |
hoodedice |
lol |
| 08:56 |
GNADev|zRokh |
yes |
| 08:56 |
GNADev|zRokh |
Nintendo DS |
| 08:56 |
GNADev|zRokh |
:P |
| 08:56 |
hoodedice |
y u no android |
| 08:56 |
hoodedice |
java after all |
| 08:56 |
GNADev|zRokh |
android will be for sure |
| 08:56 |
GNADev|zRokh |
and also iSoftware |
| 08:56 |
hoodedice |
check out Zombie HQ by Rebellion on android |
| 08:56 |
hoodedice |
icrap? meh |
| 08:57 |
GNADev|zRokh |
thats just for the ones using istuff |
| 08:57 |
hoodedice |
ZHQ is like, 2.5D but gameplay is nice... |
| 08:57 |
GNADev|zRokh |
well Xorima will also be like 2.5D... here, have a screenie :D http://imgur.com/NBmWyr1 |
| 08:58 |
hoodedice |
That's 2D not 2.5 |
| 08:58 |
hoodedice |
Zelda-ish though |
| 08:58 |
GNADev|zRokh |
exactly :D |
| 08:59 |
GNADev|zRokh |
wanna try out the shitty-pre-pre-pre alpha? |
| 09:00 |
hoodedice |
sure |
| 09:00 |
hoodedice |
I think I have the JDK... |
| 09:00 |
GNADev|zRokh |
then wait... let me compile it... |
| 09:00 |
hoodedice |
Yeah, I do |
| 09:00 |
hoodedice |
Wincrap |
| 09:00 |
GNADev|zRokh |
btw, i think it uses JRE6... :D |
| 09:00 |
GNADev|zRokh |
i use Linux :D |
| 09:00 |
GNADev|zRokh |
but a shitty distro |
| 09:00 |
hoodedice |
I used to |
| 09:00 |
GNADev|zRokh |
Trisquel-mini |
| 09:00 |
hoodedice |
use Xubuntu |
| 09:02 |
hoodedice |
ima play swat4 now |
| 09:02 |
hoodedice |
brb |
| 09:04 |
GNADev|zRokh |
dood, its ready... |
| 09:05 |
Peacock |
http://youtu.be/nv5fYWy3H9Q |
| 09:05 |
kaeza |
lol Peacock |
| 09:06 |
GNADev|zRokh |
http://gnadev.hj.cx/xorima |
| 09:06 |
GNADev|zRokh |
the password is prealpha |
| 09:08 |
GNADev|zRokh |
the game does not yet have a pause screen |
| 09:08 |
GNADev|zRokh |
but it does have a functioning menu screen (except for the Options button, because i need to make them first :P) |
| 09:08 |
GNADev|zRokh |
exept* |
| 09:10 |
GNADev|zRokh |
minimum input requirments: Keyboard |
| 09:10 |
GNADev|zRokh |
:D |
| 09:12 |
kaeza |
well at least it's something |
| 09:12 |
* kaeza |
died in lava ;_; |
| 09:13 |
GNADev|zRokh |
lol :D |
| 09:13 |
GNADev|zRokh |
i know :D |
| 09:13 |
GNADev|zRokh |
its actually my school project :D |
| 09:13 |
GNADev|zRokh |
need to finish a good part of it before that season that comes after winter... #BrainGlitch |
| 09:14 |
GNADev|zRokh |
kaeza, what do you think? |
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GNADev|zRokh |
there will also soon be an XP bar :P |
| 09:14 |
kaeza |
has potential |
| 09:14 |
GNADev|zRokh |
yay :D |
| 09:15 |
GNADev|zRokh |
what if i told you that every friend that i have will get a key for the game when it hits beta and goes on Desura... |
| 09:15 |
GNADev|zRokh |
the price will be $1.5 |
| 09:15 |
GNADev|zRokh |
:P |
| 09:16 |
GNADev|zRokh |
including you :D |
| 09:17 |
kaeza |
awww ♥ |
| 09:17 |
GNADev|zRokh |
dood O.O |
| 09:17 |
GNADev|zRokh |
stop being a pussy and man up! |
| 09:17 |
GNADev|zRokh |
NEVER give another man a heart! |
| 09:17 |
GNADev|zRokh |
:D |
| 09:17 |
kaeza |
◉︵◉ |
| 09:17 |
GNADev|zRokh |
:D |
| 09:18 |
GNADev|zRokh |
and also, i think that every month 3 people that share and like the facebook page will get a chance to win a key :P |
| 09:18 |
GNADev|zRokh |
i think that would be good |
| 09:18 |
GNADev|zRokh |
:P |
| 09:20 |
kaeza |
I think you could get more support (and attract more devs) if you opensource it |
| 09:20 |
kaeza |
does not mean you can't sell it |
| 09:21 |
GNADev|zRokh |
i wont opensource it yet.... i will when we hit 1 000 000 copies sold |
| 09:21 |
GNADev|zRokh |
:P |
| 09:21 |
kaeza |
oh and no GPL pls |
| 09:21 |
GNADev|zRokh |
i know |
| 09:21 |
GNADev|zRokh |
GNU Public License... xD |
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kaeza |
BSD ♥ |
| 09:23 |
Tux[Qyou] |
BSOD 3< |
| 09:23 |
GNADev|zRokh |
<3 maybe? |
| 09:23 |
GNADev|zRokh |
not 3< |
| 09:23 |
kaeza |
BDSM <4 |
| 09:23 |
* kaeza |
runs |
| 09:23 |
GNADev|zRokh |
hey Tux[Qyou], wanna try out the pre-pre-pre-alpha of Xorima? |
| 09:24 |
Tux[Qyou] |
wat |
| 09:25 |
hoodedice |
evil closed source project? |
| 09:25 |
GNADev|zRokh |
pretty much... |
| 09:25 |
hoodedice |
http://nooooooooooooooo.com/ |
| 09:25 |
GNADev|zRokh |
but its closed-source only for a temporary time |
| 09:26 |
kaeza |
1000000 copies is a bit ambitious :P |
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hoodedice |
Too ambitious |
| 09:30 |
GNADev|zRokh |
without ambition nobody will be successful |
| 09:30 |
hoodedice |
It makes me remember |
| 09:30 |
GNADev|zRokh |
kaeza, tell Tux[Qyou] that Xorima is safe |
| 09:31 |
hoodedice |
Minecraft... "It will be open -sourced when no one wants it anymore" |
| 09:32 |
GNADev|zRokh |
i know |
| 09:32 |
kaeza |
no u |
| 09:32 |
GNADev|zRokh |
but a wise man once told me (Zeg9) "Do it like id software did it; when the game hits enought copies, make it free, maybe open source" |
| 09:32 |
hoodedice |
wow, it works, #Xorima |
| 09:32 |
hoodedice |
teating now |
| 09:33 |
GNADev|zRokh |
teating? |
| 09:33 |
kaeza |
teating! |
| 09:33 |
hoodedice |
testing -.- |
| 09:33 |
hoodedice |
What are the buttons? |
| 09:33 |
GNADev|zRokh |
WASD, SPACE |
| 09:34 |
hoodedice |
Can't 'run' be switched off? |
| 09:34 |
GNADev|zRokh |
run? |
| 09:34 |
GNADev|zRokh |
you can't run :D |
| 09:34 |
hoodedice |
yellow bar thingy |
| 09:34 |
hoodedice |
Press space to respawn? |
| 09:35 |
GNADev|zRokh |
yes |
| 09:35 |
GNADev|zRokh |
:P |
| 09:35 |
hoodedice |
Doesnt work |
| 09:35 |
GNADev|zRokh |
yellow = energy, red = health |
| 09:35 |
GNADev|zRokh |
rlly? |
| 09:35 |
GNADev|zRokh |
hmm... |
| 09:35 |
GNADev|zRokh |
then escape... |
| 09:35 |
GNADev|zRokh |
wait there |
| 09:36 |
hoodedice |
esc works |
| 09:36 |
GNADev|zRokh |
yep, bug detected... |
| 09:36 |
GNADev|zRokh |
:D |
| 09:36 |
GNADev|zRokh |
i thought i changed it to space, but didnt... |
| 09:36 |
hoodedice |
looks good |
| 09:36 |
GNADev|zRokh |
thanks :P |
| 09:37 |
hoodedice |
Though it's still ver 0.0.0.0.0.1 |
| 09:37 |
hoodedice |
XD |
| 09:37 |
GNADev|zRokh |
i know :D |
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* GNADev|zRokh |
is using Eclipse Kepler for the first time in his life |
| 09:37 |
hoodedice |
Eclipse is... nice |
| 09:37 |
GNADev|zRokh |
i know :D |
| 09:38 |
hoodedice |
But again, I haven't really used anything else |
| 09:38 |
GNADev|zRokh |
its a all-in-one IDE :D |
| 09:38 |
hoodedice |
hmm |
| 09:38 |
GNADev|zRokh |
Java, PHP, HTML, C, C++ etc |
| 09:38 |
hoodedice |
Can I see the source for now? |
| 09:39 |
kaeza |
eclipse? that bloated piece of shi^Wsoftware? |
| 09:39 |
kaeza |
use jEdit :P |
| 09:39 |
hoodedice |
Trust kaeza to tell that |
| 09:39 |
hoodedice |
XD |
| 09:40 |
GNADev|zRokh |
ok, hoodedice, but only with the current version! |
| 09:40 |
Ritchie |
i like to write code in kate :) |
| 09:40 |
GNADev|zRokh |
and later |
| 09:40 |
GNADev|zRokh |
kate? |
| 09:40 |
Ritchie |
text editor from KDE |
| 09:40 |
hoodedice |
yeah |
| 09:40 |
hoodedice |
I like to code in.... |
| 09:40 |
hoodedice |
Leafpad XDXDXDXD |
| 09:40 |
Ritchie |
:D |
| 09:41 |
kaeza |
cat anyone? |
| 09:41 |
hoodedice |
Sure |
| 09:42 |
kaeza |
oh right... Windows |
| 09:42 |
kaeza |
you may want to use COPY CON Main.java :P |
| 09:42 |
hoodedice |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J---aiyznGQ |
| 09:42 |
* Ritchie |
slaps Windows with a stick and runs away |
| 09:43 |
hoodedice |
>Windows cracks |
| 09:43 |
GNADev|zRokh |
hoodedice, i heard you have a cracked windows... can i has? |
| 09:43 |
GNADev|zRokh |
:D |
| 09:43 |
GNADev|zRokh |
#hoodediceIsAPirate |
| 09:43 |
hoodedice |
I have 20 ays left... |
| 09:43 |
hoodedice |
*days |
| 09:44 |
GNADev|zRokh |
lol :D |
| 09:44 |
hoodedice |
After obliterating Xubuntu from my PC |
| 09:44 |
hoodedice |
And Kaspersky |
| 09:44 |
hoodedice |
I had to repair install twice |
| 09:44 |
hoodedice |
Then found out |
| 09:44 |
GNADev|zRokh |
hood, you use Windows right.... then with what do you open the jar file with... javaw.exe doesnt work... |
| 09:45 |
hoodedice |
I have the Android SDK and JDK |
| 09:45 |
hoodedice |
So it opens |
| 09:45 |
hoodedice |
So... Then found out |
| 09:45 |
hoodedice |
My 'legit' key wasn't so... |
| 09:45 |
GNADev|zRokh |
ok... because Tux needs help,and i needs help |
| 09:45 |
hoodedice |
err, 'legit' |
| 09:45 |
Tux[Qyou] |
kinda |
| 09:45 |
GNADev|zRokh |
:D |
| 09:45 |
hoodedice |
20 days of PC use, and then restricted to an ubuntu live cd lol |
| 09:46 |
* kaeza |
pokes hoodedice with ReactOS |
| 09:46 |
Ritchie |
hoodedice: why doesn't you use linux? |
| 09:46 |
hoodedice |
I do like ubuntu |
| 09:46 |
hoodedice |
But ease of use for the rest of em |
| 09:46 |
hoodedice |
AND GAMES!!! |
| 09:46 |
hoodedice |
(lol) |
| 09:47 |
hoodedice |
em = family |
| 09:47 |
Ritchie |
i don't like ubuntu, i like debian |
| 09:48 |
Ritchie |
with trinity desktop |
| 09:48 |
Ritchie |
ubuntu - spyware |
| 09:48 |
Ritchie |
https://fixubuntu.com/ |
| 09:48 |
hoodedice |
xubuntu |
| 09:48 |
hoodedice |
-.- |
| 09:48 |
hoodedice |
happy? |
| 09:49 |
Ritchie |
btw - https://micahflee.com/2013/11/canonical-shouldnt-abuse-trademark-law-to-silence-critics-of-its-privacy-decisions/ |
| 09:49 |
hoodedice |
What ubuntu did is what most corps do |
| 09:49 |
hoodedice |
Nothing new |
| 09:50 |
hoodedice |
Just a huge hullabaloo because it is supposed to be open source? |
| 09:50 |
Ritchie |
hoodedice: i use kubuntu but there are some things why i doesn't like it |
| 09:50 |
hoodedice |
you *doesn't* like it... |
| 09:50 |
hoodedice |
I see nothing wrong in what Canonical did with Lee |
| 09:54 |
Ritchie |
i had second hdd mounted to /media/Data, then someday was *surprise* and then my symlinks to that disk didn't work because somebody decided to change mount point to /media/<username>/Data and i had to find what went wrong if my symlinks didn't work |
| 09:55 |
Ritchie |
because this behavior changed after some update |
| 09:55 |
hoodedice |
13.10 I guess |
| 09:55 |
hoodedice |
Nah |
| 09:55 |
hoodedice |
I don't remeber |
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GNADev|zRokh |
kaeza, you use linux? |
| 10:01 |
kaeza |
yes, why? |
| 10:01 |
GNADev|zRokh |
you know that button (on Gnome) at the top-left corner where you can see all the categories of programs? |
| 10:01 |
GNADev|zRokh |
how do i add a program to there? |
| 10:01 |
kaeza |
use a menu editor |
| 10:02 |
kaeza |
if you mean for your game, look at the desktop file specification somewhere |
| 10:02 |
GNADev|zRokh |
hey, is there like a folder for each category? |
| 10:02 |
GNADev|zRokh |
i saw something like that somewhere |
| 10:02 |
kaeza |
not really |
| 10:03 |
GNADev|zRokh |
ok... |
| 10:03 |
kaeza |
Wndows organizes the start menu as folders though |
| 10:03 |
kaeza |
+i |
| 10:03 |
Ritchie |
GNADev|zRokh: do a right click on that button, menu editor should be in ight click menu |
| 10:03 |
Ritchie |
s/ight/right |
| 10:06 |
GNADev|zRokh |
but arent |
| 10:06 |
GNADev|zRokh |
i can only change the icon |
| 10:09 |
GNADev|zRokh |
ok, done :D |
| 10:09 |
GNADev|zRokh |
thanks |
| 10:09 |
GNADev|zRokh |
kaeza, pop quiz: whats MyLyn? |
| 10:09 |
kaeza |
huh? |
| 10:09 |
kaeza |
!g mylyn |
| 10:09 |
MinetestBot |
kaeza: http://www.eclipse.org/mylyn/ |
| 10:10 |
kaeza |
Eclipse :/ |
| 10:11 |
GNADev|zRokh |
Kaeza :/ |
| 10:11 |
GNADev|zRokh |
L:D |
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kaeza |
hi john_minetest |
| 10:11 |
hoodedice |
hey |
| 10:12 |
GNADev|zRokh |
hi john |
| 10:12 |
GNADev|zRokh |
hey, could you please give some feedback on my game? |
| 10:12 |
GNADev|zRokh |
http://gnadev.hj.cx/xorima the password is prealpha |
| 10:12 |
GNADev|zRokh |
:P |
| 10:12 |
GNADev|zRokh |
kaeza (and i think that hoodedice) tried it already :D |
| 10:13 |
hoodedice |
I did |
| 10:13 |
GNADev|zRokh |
great :D |
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kaeza |
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| 10:13 |
hoodedice |
Lots of stuff yet to do, so it wasn't a serious test |
| 10:13 |
kaeza |
wow so player, very miner, wow |
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GNADev|zRokh |
yeah... but doods, you can suggest features and stuff :P |
| 10:14 |
kaeza |
GNADev|zRokh, I did |
| 10:14 |
GNADev|zRokh |
play it? i know you did :D |
| 10:14 |
kaeza |
[07:20:48] <kaeza> I think you could get more support (and attract more devs) if you opensource it |
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GNADev|zRokh |
oh, and you also suggested that i got more devs :D |
| 10:14 |
GNADev|zRokh |
im thinking about it... probably i will |
| 10:14 |
hoodedice |
suggestion1 - Remove the damn yellow bar thingy |
| 10:14 |
GNADev|zRokh |
or make the regen faster? |
| 10:15 |
hoodedice |
Make the spending slower |
| 10:15 |
GNADev|zRokh |
oh ok... |
| 10:15 |
hoodedice |
Or put a 'walk' mode |
| 10:15 |
GNADev|zRokh |
the energy is currently a double and walking takes away 0.01... |
| 10:15 |
GNADev|zRokh |
ok |
| 10:15 |
GNADev|zRokh |
i will :D |
| 10:15 |
hoodedice |
=) |
| 10:15 |
hoodedice |
Feat. request 1. GUNS!!! |
| 10:15 |
hoodedice |
XD |
| 10:15 |
GNADev|zRokh |
nah dood, swords and zombies! |
| 10:15 |
GNADev|zRokh |
maybe guns |
| 10:16 |
hoodedice |
Party? |
| 10:16 |
GNADev|zRokh |
but then guns wont be craftable, they will be super rare :D |
| 10:16 |
GNADev|zRokh |
party? what do you mean? |
| 10:16 |
GNADev|zRokh |
found from chests :D |
| 10:16 |
hoodedice |
AI which help the player? |
| 10:16 |
GNADev|zRokh |
oh.... maybe :D |
| 10:16 |
GNADev|zRokh |
because i am working on the zombies.... so when i get them to work, then |
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GNADev|zRokh |
i dont have any ideas on how to make the zombies move to the direction of the player if (s)he is near |
| 10:17 |
GNADev|zRokh |
but if you know java you could join :D |
| 10:17 |
hoodedice |
I dunno anything |
| 10:17 |
GNADev|zRokh |
ok... :D |
| 10:17 |
hoodedice |
Draw a vector to the player and trace it |
| 10:17 |
GNADev|zRokh |
aaanywayyysss... bye for now |
| 10:17 |
GNADev|zRokh |
oh... :D |
| 10:17 |
GNADev|zRokh |
ok :D |
| 10:18 |
GNADev|zRokh |
but later doods |
| 10:18 |
GNADev|zRokh |
gonna work outside... |
| 10:18 |
GNADev|zRokh |
need woods |
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reactor |
Hello, I am a computer program. |
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reactor |
OldCoder: I have an idea. |
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reactor |
OldCoder: what if I do the pre-catastrophe version of the city instead? |
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PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
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reactor |
o/ PilzAdam. |
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Peacock |
simultaneously had dinner while the wife had breakfast XD jet lag without the jet :P |
| 11:53 |
Megaf |
folks, is there a way to trace down the cause of these crashes? I will crash and in each crashes it "says" about a different mod, http://paste.debian.net/64802/ |
| 11:53 |
Megaf |
always pointing this (a nil value) |
| 11:54 |
kaeza |
Megaf, there's a pull request to fix that |
| 11:55 |
Megaf |
kaeza, so that's actually a bug and there is nothing I can do to fix that |
| 11:55 |
Megaf |
ok, good to know there's people working on it, thanks |
| 11:55 |
kaeza |
Megaf, I'm waiting for a core dev to merge it |
| 11:55 |
kaeza |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/217 |
| 11:57 |
Megaf |
kaeza, I had a similar crash but then related to VanessaE's mod moretrees and so with VanessaE's homedecor and so with the node_ownership mod, always the same nil value, do you think it's all related to this "default" bug? |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix crash updating gametype without game 7bd30b59ee 2013-11-09T04:30:44-08:00 http://git.io/FDsz1Q |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix game buttons not beeing 48x48 b6bb3ffec4 2013-11-09T04:58:57-08:00 http://git.io/pdKPzw |
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OldCoder |
Hi |
| 13:18 |
OldCoder |
Did I miss Sapier again? |
| 13:20 |
reactor |
OldCoder:? |
| 13:20 |
OldCoder |
reactor:? |
| 13:20 |
reactor |
o/ |
| 13:20 |
OldCoder |
o/ back |
| 13:20 |
reactor |
I have an idea, but I'm not sure if it's better. |
| 13:20 |
OldCoder |
Why not share it? |
| 13:21 |
reactor |
Pripyat before the shit. |
| 13:21 |
reactor |
But it's more likely not better from the finding an application for it. |
| 13:22 |
OldCoder |
Application? |
| 13:22 |
OldCoder |
Do you mean the purpose of a world? |
| 13:23 |
reactor |
Yes. |
| 13:23 |
reactor |
And I have one more idea, might be better. |
| 13:23 |
reactor |
Pripyat as of mid-90s. |
| 13:24 |
reactor |
When some buildings were still alive. |
| 13:24 |
reactor |
And do personnel vs robbers. |
| 13:25 |
reactor |
As in, robbers come from the abandoned surroundings, and the buildings' personnel protect valuable property there. |
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| 13:26 |
reactor |
Not sure if better than plain deathmatch in fully abandoned place, though. |
| 13:26 |
reactor |
But it would be more interesting from the modeling point of view, as in, model some buildings in their original state. |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Add BlockMen to core dev list 0aeecf3f7f 2013-11-09T05:28:00-08:00 http://git.io/0bBbbQ |
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PilzAdam |
sfan5, MinetestBot should post these commit messages only in #minetest |
| 13:35 |
OldCoder |
john_minetest, No |
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OldCoder |
john_minetest, SQLite3 and MySQL can be used but LevelDB is an alternative |
| 13:35 |
kahrl |
PilzAdam, why? |
| 13:36 |
OldCoder |
reactor, that sounds interesting |
| 13:36 |
OldCoder |
kahrl, will you consider merging httpfetch soon? |
| 13:36 |
reactor |
OldCoder: maybe you have an idea how to apply it? |
| 13:36 |
OldCoder |
Does anybody know when Sapier may be here? |
| 13:36 |
OldCoder |
Reviewing further |
| 13:36 |
kahrl |
OldCoder: it's up to the other devs |
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PilzAdam |
kahrl, MinetestBot gets kicked from other channels because its considered spam there |
| 13:37 |
OldCoder |
reactor, I am not certain of what the question means |
| 13:37 |
reactor |
The map, I mean. |
| 13:37 |
reactor |
I'm kind of out of ideas |
| 13:37 |
kahrl |
huh |
| 13:37 |
kahrl |
like #minetest-de? |
| 13:37 |
OldCoder |
kahrl, very well; to be clear, if I use httpfetch, it is client only patch; is this correct? |
| 13:37 |
kahrl |
OldCoder: correct |
| 13:37 |
OldCoder |
reactor, the map is good; shall we finish the details? |
| 13:37 |
reactor |
OldCoder: I'm asking about what to do with it. |
| 13:38 |
kahrl |
OldCoder: well, technically it adds lua api calls on the server side but I don't think you meant those |
| 13:38 |
OldCoder |
kahrl, thank you. Difficult decision. I have the patch but if people without patched clients come the game is broken |
| 13:38 |
kahrl |
OldCoder: those lua api calls aren't related to media download though |
| 13:38 |
OldCoder |
reactor, you mean; whether creative or fighting?> |
| 13:38 |
OldCoder |
kahrl, yes; I meant download speed |
| 13:38 |
reactor |
OldCoder: kind of. |
| 13:38 |
reactor |
OldCoder: idk. |
| 13:38 |
PilzAdam |
kahrl, no, like ##minebest |
| 13:38 |
kahrl |
ah |
| 13:38 |
OldCoder |
kahrl, I can apply the patch but 80% of my visitors will be missing some textures |
| 13:39 |
OldCoder |
reactor, why not wait and see. Invite people to visit and comment. |
| 13:39 |
OldCoder |
reactor, Let us refine the world. |
| 13:39 |
kahrl |
I like the messages in #minetest-de because it's a lot easier to see them all there because there's a lot less noise |
| 13:39 |
reactor |
OldCoder: just building/surviving there would be not much different from many-many other maps, among which are maps that are a lot better for that |
| 13:39 |
OldCoder |
There is time to decide. |
| 13:39 |
OldCoder |
reactor, but it is an interesting world. Can be creative or fighting either. |
| 13:39 |
reactor |
OldCoder: okay then. I get it we need to develop the map itself for a while. |
| 13:39 |
OldCoder |
reactor, Not much work is needed. Coming along nicely. |
| 13:40 |
reactor |
Where do I find people who could be interested in modeling buildings, too? |
| 13:40 |
OldCoder |
reactor, I assume here |
| 13:40 |
OldCoder |
And on forums |
| 13:40 |
OldCoder |
kahrl, encourage people to help you merge as the decision is difficult. I wish to use your patch. But most people will have their own clients. And the clients will not get all the textures without the patch. |
| 13:40 |
sfan5 |
PilzAdam: I haven't seen any channel where that is considered spam |
| 13:40 |
reactor |
Oh well. I'm not very convincing. I don't know. |
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OldCoder |
reactor, it will be fine |
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PilzAdam |
sfan5, ##minebest |
| 13:44 |
reactor |
Besides, I don't have enough time/motivation to develop it myself. What I'm looking for is someone to pass the work on to, so that I can gradually stop maintaining it, but not be afraid what has already been done will be lost. |
| 13:46 |
OldCoder |
reactor, Heh |
| 13:46 |
OldCoder |
reactor, relax and take this one step at a time |
| 13:47 |
OldCoder |
The world is just born |
| 13:47 |
OldCoder |
It is too soon to plan for its old age :-) |
| 13:47 |
reactor |
Well, I mean, eh. |
| 13:47 |
OldCoder |
reactor, for now; just decide what is needed to polish the edges |
| 13:47 |
OldCoder |
reactor, help me to document the world |
| 13:47 |
reactor |
I'm going to gradually stop caring about things unrelated to my speciality, which is by far not game development. |
| 13:48 |
OldCoder |
We will write a little about the buildings and history. You will check for broken mods. Then you can move on to other projects. |
| 13:48 |
OldCoder |
I will run your world or pass it on to others. |
| 13:48 |
OldCoder |
|
| 13:48 |
reactor |
But I don't want all the stuff to be lost, because I've already invested time. |
| 13:48 |
OldCoder |
See note above |
| 13:48 |
reactor |
Oh. |
| 13:48 |
reactor |
Well, the mods are okay. |
| 13:48 |
OldCoder |
Visit the world, look for problems |
| 13:48 |
reactor |
The map only relies on default, stairs and doors. |
| 13:48 |
reactor |
And custom textures. |
| 13:48 |
OldCoder |
Answer my questions in the near future and help me to write of the world |
| 13:48 |
OldCoder |
Then go do a new project |
| 13:48 |
OldCoder |
Is this fair? |
| 13:48 |
reactor |
Yep. |
| 13:49 |
reactor |
Thank you in advance. |
| 13:49 |
OldCoder |
All right |
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OldCoder |
|
| 13:49 |
OldCoder |
Certainly |
| 13:50 |
reactor |
Documentation... Hmm. Well, I've kind of started making a list of places of interest, both present in the world and pending. |
| 13:50 |
OldCoder |
Yes |
| 13:50 |
OldCoder |
Spend a little time there |
| 13:51 |
reactor |
We probably need a convenient manner of storing materials to base models on. |
| 13:51 |
reactor |
Will a directory per building with a pile of photos in it be allright? |
| 13:56 |
OldCoder |
Reviewing |
| 13:56 |
OldCoder |
Of course |
| 13:56 |
OldCoder |
This is more than most people provide |
| 13:56 |
reactor |
Most of the materials I downloaded were "do not distribute", but I don't remember the links to refer. |
| 13:56 |
reactor |
What do I do? |
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* OldCoder |
considers |
| 13:57 |
OldCoder |
*Now* you tell us :-) What type of materials? |
| 13:58 |
reactor |
Shall I just put a copyright notice in there? "The materials are present here only for convenience and consistency. No copyright infringement intended." |
| 13:58 |
reactor |
Photos, videos of the place. |
| 13:58 |
reactor |
From various sites. |
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| 13:58 |
reactor |
Including youtube. |
| 13:59 |
reactor |
I store data I find interesting locally, not to wait every time. |
| 13:59 |
OldCoder |
reactor, the notice will not help :-) Photos of what place? |
| 13:59 |
reactor |
Pripyat. |
| 13:59 |
OldCoder |
This is a real place? |
| 13:59 |
reactor |
^ |
| 14:00 |
* OldCoder |
is curious. Is Pripyat real? |
| 14:00 |
reactor |
What? |
| 14:00 |
OldCoder |
<reactor> Photos, videos of the place |
| 14:00 |
OldCoder |
Photos and videos of *what* place? |
| 14:00 |
reactor |
What do you think I'm doing? I'm trying to recreate a real place ingame, ofc. |
| 14:01 |
OldCoder |
I believe you are creating a world. They come from different sources. |
| 14:01 |
reactor |
Why I started all this is, the author's representation was not precise enough. |
| 14:01 |
OldCoder |
The materials can't go on official Minetest sites; but you can use them as models |
| 14:02 |
reactor |
I'm talking about reference materials for modeling. |
| 14:02 |
OldCoder |
Sure. Anyway reactor it is coming along. I must rest soon and then go to work. |
| 14:02 |
reactor |
That can be used to determine sizes, shapes etc. |
| 14:02 |
OldCoder |
I encourage you to write of the city |
| 14:02 |
OldCoder |
Document it; then you can go compose a song or other new projects |
| 14:02 |
OldCoder |
john_minetest, I am falling asleep; what is that? |
| 14:03 |
reactor |
Write to where? Web interfaces do confuse me, and suppress any intention to write. |
| 14:03 |
reactor |
I could slap together a plain text description. |
| 14:03 |
reactor |
But eh. Isn't the name self-explanatory? |
| 14:04 |
reactor |
I mean, does a world named "Pripyat" really need a description? |
| 14:04 |
reactor |
!title |
| 14:04 |
MinetestBot |
reactor: Full Time Humor |
| 14:04 |
OldCoder |
john_minetest, thank you |
| 14:04 |
reactor |
MinetestBot: not descriptive enough. |
| 14:04 |
OldCoder |
reactor, yes; a paragraph and list of buildings. You already started that. |
| 14:04 |
OldCoder |
reactor, Your world is nearly done |
| 14:04 |
reactor |
Is it? |
| 14:04 |
OldCoder |
For launch |
| 14:04 |
reactor |
It's not by far. Most buildings are not done. |
| 14:04 |
reactor |
Oh. |
| 14:04 |
OldCoder |
Not much more is needed |
| 14:05 |
sfan5 |
reactor: it's not MinetestBot's fault if the title of the webpage is not descriptive |
| 14:05 |
OldCoder |
Relax and take this one step at a time |
| 14:05 |
reactor |
Yes. We are to get the textures right, though. |
| 14:05 |
reactor |
Otherwise, it's ready. |
| 14:05 |
OldCoder |
All right |
| 14:05 |
* OldCoder |
will nap now |
| 14:05 |
reactor |
Also, I think firearms need be disabled for now. |
| 14:05 |
OldCoder |
reactor, we can talk again |
| 14:05 |
reactor |
Good night, OldCoder. |
| 14:05 |
OldCoder |
reactor, I will restart today |
| 14:05 |
reactor |
mk |
| 14:05 |
OldCoder |
|
| 14:05 |
OldCoder |
Zzz |
| 14:06 |
reactor |
sfan5: it isn't. |
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| 14:06 |
reactor |
sfan5: but everyone sometimes needs a scapegoat. |
| 14:06 |
reactor |
s/scape/space/ |
| 14:06 |
reactor |
or s/space/scape/ |
| 14:06 |
reactor |
Damn it. |
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| 14:10 |
issa2013 |
hello |
| 14:10 |
issa2013 |
can u make cross compiling on linux to compile a windows version ? |
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| 14:10 |
reactor |
s/u/you/ |
| 14:10 |
reactor |
s/ca/Ca/ |
| 14:10 |
reactor |
Probably yes. |
| 14:11 |
issa2013 |
so i need to found how do that |
| 14:11 |
issa2013 |
beacause i have a player with windows and i m using the mineste from today |
| 14:12 |
issa2013 |
but compiling on linux |
| 14:12 |
issa2013 |
so |
| 14:12 |
issa2013 |
i need to found how do that |
| 14:12 |
Trfsrfr |
Good morning all! Im looking for the location of the code for the most simplest object in Minetest. I want to try and change the color of something. Im a newb Ubuntu user. Can anyone direct me |
| 14:12 |
harrison |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJlualhdUpc |
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| 14:15 |
reactor |
issa2013: why not use your power of suggestion and convince that player to switch to a quality, supported operating system? |
| 14:15 |
reactor |
john_minetest_: wb. |
| 14:15 |
issa2013 |
because i have try but not working |
| 14:16 |
reactor |
issa2013: then you need to work on your suggestion. |
| 14:16 |
kaeza |
issa2013, ask sfan 5 |
| 14:16 |
reactor |
issa2013: what is holding that user back from switching? |
| 14:17 |
issa2013 |
gaming |
| 14:17 |
issa2013 |
is play many games not on linux |
| 14:17 |
reactor |
Gaming can be done well under WINE.\ |
| 14:17 |
reactor |
He could dual-boot. |
| 14:17 |
reactor |
Tons of options eh. |
| 14:17 |
issa2013 |
o it's very difficul |
| 14:17 |
issa2013 |
user i have think |
| 14:18 |
issa2013 |
if u add somthink on the computer so the computer wil be slow |
| 14:18 |
issa2013 |
so he is my fault |
| 14:18 |
issa2013 |
so now i don't touch his computer |
| 14:18 |
reactor |
20:18 < issa2013> if u add somthink on the computer so the computer wil be slow |
| 14:18 |
reactor |
Where'd you read that? |
| 14:18 |
reactor |
Some toilet paper? |
| 14:18 |
issa2013 |
:) |
| 14:18 |
markveidemanis |
Hi |
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| 14:19 |
ndjdjksisksk |
hi |
| 14:19 |
ndjdjksisksk |
wtf |
| 14:19 |
issa2013 |
this is the argument of people who don't understand nothing |
| 14:19 |
reactor |
This is your problem. Do not ever read toilet paper. Wipe with it. |
| 14:19 |
issa2013 |
on the computer |
| 14:19 |
ndjdjksisksk |
it is still using ndjdjksisksk |
| 14:19 |
issa2013 |
so i have decide to stop convert people to the reason is too dificult |
| 14:19 |
reactor |
It is. |
| 14:19 |
reactor |
But if the person is your friend, it is rewarding. |
| 14:20 |
reactor |
You will lose at least one platform for possible disputes if you get it done. |
| 14:20 |
reactor |
s/putes/agreement/ |
| 14:21 |
stormchaser3000 |
lol |
| 14:21 |
stormchaser3000 |
hi |
| 14:21 |
stormchaser3000 |
i am ndjdjksisksk |
| 14:21 |
reactor |
What's the matter with you, sfan5? |
| 14:21 |
reactor |
Oops. Not you. |
| 14:21 |
reactor |
Silly completion. |
| 14:21 |
kaeza |
stormchaser3000, O RLY? |
| 14:21 |
reactor |
stormchaser3000, i mean. |
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stormchaser3000 |
lol |
| 14:21 |
stormchaser3000 |
ndjdjksisksk is my old username |
| 14:22 |
stormchaser3000 |
(for prople that do not know that) |
| 14:22 |
stormchaser3000 |
people* |
| 14:22 |
kaeza |
I totally didn't notice [12:21:10] * ndjdjksisksk is now known as stormchaser3000 |
| 14:22 |
reactor |
Oh yeah. |
| 14:22 |
reactor |
We must be blind or something. |
| 14:22 |
stormchaser3000 |
um nvm |
| 14:22 |
reactor |
Also. |
| 14:22 |
reactor |
What do you mean "nvm"? |
| 14:22 |
stormchaser3000 |
i forgot about irc and how it works lol |
| 14:23 |
* stormchaser3000 |
is an idiot |
| 14:23 |
reactor |
"never mind"? But that would be "nm", if properly abbreviated. |
| 14:23 |
reactor |
What's the case with that stray "v"? |
| 14:23 |
stormchaser3000 |
yeah nevermind is what i was trying to say |
| 14:23 |
stormchaser3000 |
idk |
| 14:24 |
stormchaser3000 |
everyone uses nvm instead of nm |
| 14:24 |
stormchaser3000 |
lol i am on a chrome book |
| 14:24 |
reactor |
Please note most people are retarded. |
| 14:24 |
reactor |
You don't have to be one of them. |
| 14:24 |
stormchaser3000 |
and i want to compile minetest |
| 14:24 |
stormchaser3000 |
ok |
| 14:25 |
reactor |
What OS? |
| 14:25 |
stormchaser3000 |
chrome os |
| 14:25 |
reactor |
I don't know if it's possible. |
| 14:25 |
stormchaser3000 |
linux |
| 14:25 |
stormchaser3000 |
yeah |
| 14:25 |
stormchaser3000 |
i really don't think it is |
| 14:25 |
reactor |
Does it have gcc? |
| 14:26 |
stormchaser3000 |
unless i compiled it with all of the libraries and posted it on the chrome web store |
| 14:26 |
stormchaser3000 |
um i don't have mingw |
| 14:26 |
stormchaser3000 |
on here |
| 14:26 |
reactor |
What does mingw have to do with this? |
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stormchaser3000 |
um idk what gcc is |
| 14:27 |
stormchaser3000 |
:( |
| 14:27 |
reactor |
Hard childhood. I see. |
| 14:27 |
stormchaser3000 |
i do know that you need it to compile minetest |
| 14:28 |
reactor |
How are you supposed to compile if you don't know what cc is? |
| 14:28 |
MinetestBot |
GIT: kaeza commited to minetest/minetest_game: Rewrite player.lua 4c0c7ae146 2013-11-09T06:09:30-08:00 http://git.io/IuAocQ |
| 14:28 |
stormchaser3000 |
um idk |
| 14:28 |
kaeza |
\:D/ |
| 14:28 |
stormchaser3000 |
i have compiled minetest on linuc before |
| 14:28 |
reactor |
Do you think compiling involves magic and miracles, stormchaser3000? |
| 14:28 |
stormchaser3000 |
but this does not have a terminal |
| 14:29 |
PilzAdam |
kaeza, also merged your commit about file closing into player_textures |
| 14:29 |
kaeza |
huh? |
| 14:29 |
kaeza |
now that was ooold O_o |
| 14:29 |
reactor |
Oh. You're probably one of those who read and follow manuals, but don't understand what is actually going on. |
| 14:29 |
PilzAdam |
https://github.com/PilzAdam/player_textures/commit/838266c3929929b43ae99045100a19c21399fd04 |
| 14:29 |
PilzAdam |
^ this one |
| 14:29 |
reactor |
You probably should stay away from technology, mate. |
| 14:30 |
stormchaser3000 |
hey pilz adam i wold like to add per player skin suport |
| 14:30 |
reactor |
He wold. |
| 14:30 |
PilzAdam |
stormchaser3000, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3587 |
| 14:30 |
stormchaser3000 |
like in minetest classic |
| 14:30 |
kaeza |
PilzAdam, thanks :) |
| 14:30 |
stormchaser3000 |
but with out a mod and haveing it downloadeed from clients and uploaded to servers |
| 14:30 |
reactor |
stormchaser3000: search the Internet, there is a mod. |
| 14:30 |
stormchaser3000 |
i know |
| 14:31 |
reactor |
Then what is your question? |
| 14:31 |
issa2013 |
how active GLSL Shaders please |
| 14:31 |
issa2013 |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7570 |
| 14:31 |
stormchaser3000 |
but i want a mod that can download the skins from peoples clients |
| 14:31 |
kaeza |
Megaf, see above |
| 14:31 |
reactor |
Clients can't upload stuff, afaik |
| 14:31 |
PilzAdam |
issa2013, are you on windows? |
| 14:31 |
reactor |
But hmm. Curl has uploading capability. |
| 14:31 |
issa2013 |
ubuntu |
| 14:32 |
stormchaser3000 |
hey pilz adam do you know of a good terminal emulator foe chrome os |
| 14:32 |
stormchaser3000 |
(linux) |
| 14:32 |
PilzAdam |
issa2013, do you know how to compile Minetest? |
| 14:32 |
reactor |
stormchaser3000: why don't you search the Internet? |
| 14:32 |
issa2013 |
yes o have do it now i m playing with the last release dev |
| 14:33 |
reactor |
s/last/latest/ |
| 14:33 |
stormchaser3000 |
idk um because i can't download programs on a chromebook |
| 14:33 |
PilzAdam |
issa2013, download this branch and compile it: https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest/tree/rba_shaders_2 |
| 14:33 |
stormchaser3000 |
and install them unles it is from the googls store |
| 14:33 |
stormchaser3000 |
or google play |
| 14:34 |
reactor |
stormchaser3000: I've got an idea for you. Sell this castrated bastard and buy a machine on which you can install a full-featured, well-maintained OS. |
| 14:34 |
stormchaser3000 |
lol i am going to install a real linux os on it when i get the chance |
| 14:34 |
stormchaser3000 |
this is just for school right now |
| 14:34 |
reactor |
stormchaser3000: chromebooks, android and apple tablets are like buying hemorrhoids, in my opinion. |
| 14:34 |
stormchaser3000 |
but i want minetest on it |
| 14:35 |
stormchaser3000 |
lol |
| 14:35 |
stormchaser3000 |
true |
| 14:35 |
reactor |
Buy a proper machine eh. |
| 14:35 |
reactor |
And for god's sake, learn proper UNIX. |
| 14:35 |
stormchaser3000 |
lol |
| 14:35 |
reactor |
Beard is optional, and, in fact, deprecated. |
| 14:36 |
stormchaser3000 |
hmmm i will se what i can do to the source code |
| 14:36 |
PilzAdam |
john_minetest, theres a win build |
| 14:36 |
reactor |
john_minetest: why don't you use a good OS instead? |
| 14:37 |
PilzAdam |
john_minetest, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=117470#p117470 |
| 14:37 |
reactor |
I still dont get it why people deliberately do such nasty things to themselves. Macochism? Religiousness? Maybe mental problems? |
| 14:38 |
reactor |
john_minetest: virtualization is NOT slower on moder machines. |
| 14:38 |
reactor |
Because it's done in hardware. |
| 14:38 |
reactor |
Once and for all. |
| 14:38 |
reactor |
s/er /ern / |
| 14:38 |
reactor |
Dual boot is even less likely to be slow. |
| 14:39 |
reactor |
Nobody likes dualboot. But what else to do? |
| 14:39 |
reactor |
Besides virtualisation, ofc. |
| 14:39 |
reactor |
If you have brain or hand problems, it is. |
| 14:39 |
reactor |
But you don't. |
| 14:41 |
issa2013 |
PilzAdam, ok that's work |
| 14:41 |
issa2013 |
:) |
| 14:41 |
PilzAdam |
nice |
| 14:41 |
reactor |
issa2013: I wonder. What is you native language? |
| 14:41 |
reactor |
s/you/your/ |
| 14:41 |
reactor |
"that's work" |
| 14:42 |
issa2013 |
it wouldb be interresting to add to move button for mouse |
| 14:42 |
reactor |
stormchaser3000: IN YOUR FACE! |
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| 14:42 |
stormchaser3000 |
hi |
| 14:42 |
reactor |
Yeah! IN YOUR FACE! |
| 14:43 |
stormchaser3000 |
ok now i am on my real linux computer |
| 14:43 |
reactor |
Oh, really? |
| 14:43 |
stormchaser3000 |
or real computer |
| 14:43 |
stormchaser3000 |
yep |
| 14:43 |
stormchaser3000 |
with minetest compiled aready |
| 14:43 |
reactor |
Angry German Kid? |
| 14:43 |
stormchaser3000 |
no this one uses linux ubuntu |
| 14:43 |
stormchaser3000 |
not chrome os |
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reactor |
Ubuntu is the second Winblows. |
| 14:44 |
PilzAdam |
john_minetest, WO IST DER ESC KNOPF!!!!!ONE |
| 14:45 |
arsdragonfly |
lol |
| 14:45 |
arsdragonfly |
keyboard crasher? |
| 14:45 |
arsdragonfly |
"Ich bin der Eche Gangster" |
| 14:45 |
MinetestBot |
john_minetest: UT-Kid am Durchdrehen - YouTube |
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PilzAdam |
lol, dat windows error sound |
| 14:46 |
PilzAdam |
thats what you get when you use windows, kids |
| 14:47 |
stormchaser3000 |
lol |
| 14:48 |
arsdragonfly |
lol believe it or not this clip has been very hot even here in china |
| 14:49 |
reactor |
That is a typical Windows user. |
| 14:49 |
PilzAdam |
(Made in Germany) |
| 14:49 |
arsdragonfly |
with tons of derivative works |
| 14:49 |
arsdragonfly |
and in Japan,too |
| 14:51 |
issa2013 |
zi think i have a problem wih moon is black ? |
| 14:51 |
reactor |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9gkxT0WFJY |
| 14:52 |
arsdragonfly |
"Ich brauche keine Hilfe, Ich brauche keine Hilfe!hahahahahaha!" |
| 14:52 |
thexyz |
forum software which doesn't log moderators' actions is deemed to failure |
| 14:53 |
arsdragonfly |
!title |
| 14:53 |
MinetestBot |
arsdragonfly: Angry German Kid Reversed With Fake Subtitles - YouTube |
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issa2013 |
reactor, im french |
| 14:54 |
reactor |
issa2013: you totally are. |
| 14:54 |
issa2013 |
:) |
| 14:54 |
issa2013 |
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/824/q4p8.png |
| 14:55 |
thexyz |
it's unsurprising punbb doesn't have one |
| 14:55 |
reactor |
issa2013: mk. |
| 14:55 |
reactor |
I hate widescreen displays. |
| 14:55 |
issa2013 |
reactor, i realy like it |
| 14:55 |
kaeza |
dat unity desktop |
| 14:56 |
reactor |
unity is bloated and slow |
| 14:56 |
issa2013 |
i have e17 |
| 14:56 |
reactor |
And useless. |
| 14:56 |
kaeza |
issa2013, e17 is equally useless IMHO |
| 14:56 |
issa2013 |
imho ? |
| 14:57 |
issa2013 |
no kaeza terminologie is just enormous |
| 14:57 |
kaeza |
In My Humble Opinion |
| 14:57 |
kaeza |
too much eye candy |
| 14:57 |
issa2013 |
and all effect is good |
| 14:57 |
issa2013 |
the problem is the skin of all other windows than not effl |
| 14:57 |
issa2013 |
that not efl |
| 14:57 |
issa2013 |
and omni is just magik |
| 14:57 |
issa2013 |
kaeza, is too much eye candy and it's work prety cool |
| 14:59 |
kaeza |
I prefer a simple desktop; Xfce or even Fluxbox/Openbox |
| 15:00 |
kaeza |
IceWM is nice too |
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reactor |
john_minetest: ? |
| 15:06 |
issa2013 |
i think we need to test he really change and really good |
| 15:06 |
issa2013 |
but for minetest |
| 15:06 |
issa2013 |
what texture pack i can use ? |
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reactor |
john_minetest: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrkCbUhx_HI |
| 15:15 |
reactor |
Note he has a hardon after trying to shove the remote up his. |
| 15:15 |
reactor |
Probably sexuality problems. |
| 15:18 |
PilzAdam |
thats one of the bugs that needs to be fixed |
| 15:29 |
issa2013 |
PilzAdam, what's the futur of this version ? |
| 15:29 |
issa2013 |
what is u plan for this ? |
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issa2013 |
lookat this --> http://www.buildaworld.net/ |
| 15:35 |
issa2013 |
it's build with irrlich the same 3D engine from minetest |
| 15:45 |
markveidemanis |
http://cjdwoods.tumblr.com/post/58761701076/yourstorysofar-dark-mother-the-russian-sleep |
| 15:45 |
markveidemanis |
Very Disturbing |
| 15:49 |
thexyz |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICURa0OH3d8 |
| 15:53 |
sfan5 |
!title |
| 15:53 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: Заниженный таз vs лежачий полицейÑкий Russian tuning vs speed bump - [...] |
| 15:54 |
reactor |
markveidemanis: this is old. |
| 15:54 |
markveidemanis |
70 years old in fact |
| 15:55 |
markveidemanis |
Do you think it's real? |
| 15:55 |
markveidemanis |
looks legit except some details |
| 15:55 |
sfan5 |
ofc, every creepypasta is real |
| 15:55 |
markveidemanis |
and the very last bit |
| 15:55 |
reactor |
john_minetest: xD |
| 15:56 |
reactor |
I tried not to sleep once. |
| 15:56 |
reactor |
One the second day you start thinking your body is not yours. |
| 15:57 |
markveidemanis |
and i sprayed shit on my windows, ripped out my guts and began screaming |
| 15:58 |
reactor |
It's no big deal, as soon as you fall asleep, and you will, it will go. |
| 16:01 |
markveidemanis |
The images look like a zimbie from half life |
| 16:01 |
markveidemanis |
We are you. We are the madness that lurks within you all, begging to be free at every moment in your deepest animal mind. We are what you hide from in your beds every night. We are what you sedate into silence and paralysis when you go to the nocturnal haven where we cannot tread. |
| 16:02 |
markveidemanis |
this is most certainly not the words of someone who was flinging his own shit |
| 16:02 |
markveidemanis |
Or was it? |
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thexyz |
is the old minetest.net website accessible somewhere? |
| 16:13 |
sfan5 |
http://c55.me/minetest/oldsite/ |
| 16:13 |
sfan5 |
^ thexyz |
| 16:14 |
issa2013 |
sfan5, do u want explain me how cros compiling |
| 16:15 |
issa2013 |
on linux to release minetest for xindows |
| 16:15 |
sfan5 |
what's xindows? :P |
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issa2013 |
Windows |
| 16:15 |
issa2013 |
:) |
| 16:16 |
NekoGloop |
The only incorrect part of that diagram is the windows part |
| 16:16 |
NekoGloop |
There's at least a couple more steps |
| 16:17 |
NekoGloop |
but with Apple you're fucked |
| 16:18 |
thexyz |
sfan5: thanks |
| 16:19 |
thexyz |
how to fix linux — recompile the kernel |
| 16:19 |
thexyz |
such fun joke |
| 16:20 |
thexyz |
everythink on this page is intented to be a joke |
| 16:20 |
NekoGloop |
except for the apple part |
| 16:20 |
NekoGloop |
that's not a joke |
| 16:20 |
NekoGloop |
that's literally the process for fixing an apple computer |
| 16:20 |
thexyz |
stereotypes |
| 16:20 |
NekoGloop |
bbl |
| 16:21 |
thexyz |
call your friend who's "good with computers" |
| 16:21 |
issa2013 |
so cross compiling on linux to release for windows ? |
| 16:22 |
thexyz |
yes you can |
| 16:25 |
sfan5 |
john_minetest: deleting the registry also works |
| 16:29 |
reactor |
john_minetest: http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/food/gas%20masks%20main.jpg |
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reactor |
their faces |
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markveidemanis |
I fixed windows. Use Hammer |
| 16:35 |
thexyz |
finally |
| 16:35 |
thexyz |
!sfu xyz |
| 16:35 |
MinetestBot |
xyz Member 435 posts, registered on 2011-11-10 | id: 578 |
| 16:35 |
thexyz |
oh stupid bot can't work |
| 16:35 |
thexyz |
such a surprise |
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MinetestBot |
john_minetest: No Results found |
| 16:36 |
MinetestBot |
jmf Member 161 posts, registered on 2012-11-05 | id: 3464 |
| 16:36 |
MinetestBot |
john_minetest, someone thinks you need to shut the fuck up before you get muted. |
| 16:37 |
thexyz |
sfan5: plz add colors |
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sfan5 |
theTroy: there iz colors |
| 16:37 |
sfan5 |
but colors are disabled here |
| 16:37 |
sfan5 |
woops |
| 16:37 |
sfan5 |
^ thexyz |
| 16:37 |
thexyz |
woops indeed |
| 16:37 |
thexyz |
they aren't |
| 16:38 |
thexyz |
test |
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sfan5 |
hm |
| 16:39 |
sfan5 |
!sfu sfan5 |
| 16:39 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5 9Moderator 2,908 posts, registered on 2011-08-24 | id: 239 |
| 16:39 |
sfan5 |
green.. |
| 16:39 |
sfan5 |
!sfu celeron* |
| 16:39 |
MinetestBot |
celeron55 6Administrator 356 posts, registered on 2011-04-19 | id: 2 |
| 16:39 |
MinetestBot |
Celeron56 4Banned 1 posts, registered on 2012-08-28 | id: 2834 |
| 16:39 |
sfan5 |
!sfu pilzadam |
| 16:39 |
MinetestBot |
PilzAdam Developer 3,514 posts, registered on 2012-07-20 | id: 2443 |
| 16:39 |
sfan5 |
that works too.. |
| 16:40 |
thexyz |
oh |
| 16:40 |
thexyz |
it just didn't add any colors for me |
| 16:40 |
sfan5 |
yep |
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rubenwardy |
How is that done? |
| 16:41 |
thexyz |
haha logging bot is so retarded |
| 16:41 |
thexyz |
1like this? |
| 16:42 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: the logging bot should s/\x03.// |
| 16:42 |
rubenwardy |
Is it like markup, or do you copy and paste it like special ASCII characters |
| 16:42 |
VanessaE |
hi all |
| 16:42 |
thexyz |
sfan5: maybe |
| 16:42 |
sfan5 |
rubenwardy: \x03<color> |
| 16:43 |
sfan5 |
!g irc colors |
| 16:43 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: http://www.ircbeginner.com/ircinfo/colors.html |
| 16:43 |
PilzAdam |
COLORS! |
| 16:43 |
thexyz |
I did rant about there not being any sane logging software |
| 16:43 |
rubenwardy |
\x03red Hello |
| 16:43 |
thexyz |
you tried |
| 16:43 |
rubenwardy |
\x03red |
| 16:43 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 16:43 |
sfan5 |
haha |
| 16:43 |
VanessaE |
cornernote is alive! (commenting on the mesecons repository) |
| 16:43 |
rubenwardy |
2 hi |
| 16:43 |
rubenwardy |
ah ha |
| 16:44 |
rubenwardy |
this is a wierd way of doing it |
| 16:44 |
thexyz |
was he unbanned here? |
| 16:44 |
sfan5 |
4are you sure? |
| 16:44 |
VanessaE |
idk |
| 16:44 |
rubenwardy |
3Yep |
| 16:44 |
VanessaE |
https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/issues/123#issuecomment-28108553 |
| 16:45 |
rubenwardy |
?1hi |
| 16:45 |
rubenwardy |
1hi |
| 16:45 |
sfan5 |
9 you tried |
| 16:45 |
PilzAdam |
02http://minetest.net/ |
| 16:45 |
rubenwardy |
What is character is ctrl+k? |
| 16:45 |
NekoGloop |
lol pilz |
| 16:45 |
thexyz |
well that's cool, i guess |
| 16:45 |
sfan5 |
rubenwardy: \x03 |
| 16:45 |
thexyz |
hope he won't post more gore here |
| 16:46 |
PilzAdam |
now how do I tell xchat to automatically make links underlined and blue? |
| 16:46 |
rubenwardy |
ah |
| 16:46 |
NekoGloop |
magic |
| 16:46 |
sfan5 |
3,3meow? |
| 16:46 |
rubenwardy |
PilzAdam, settings->prefer->colors? |
| 16:46 |
nore |
8color test |
| 16:47 |
nore |
it actually works! |
| 16:47 |
thexyz |
sfan5: this (usually?) doesn't work in terminal emulators |
| 16:47 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: I'm pretty sure it works in irssi |
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thexyz |
sfan5: I'm talking about spoilers, when you select text in terminal emulator foreground and background is inverted so it still is invisible |
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markveidemanis |
This is all i have |
| 16:48 |
* rubenwardy |
just turned on colored nick names, and wonders what happens |
| 16:49 |
sfan5 |
2t3e4s5t 6c7o8l9or pls ig2n3o4r5e |
| 16:49 |
sfan5 |
:D |
| 16:49 |
markveidemanis |
HOW? |
| 16:49 |
sfan5 |
magic |
| 16:49 |
thexyz |
gay.pl |
| 16:50 |
sfan5 |
,16john_minetest |
| 16:50 |
nore |
1a2b3c4d5f6g7h8i9jlmnopqr |
| 16:50 |
sfan5 |
,16john_minetest! |
| 16:50 |
markveidemanis |
abcdfghijlmnopqr |
| 16:50 |
ShadowNinja |
Um, there ARE other channels with -c that you can test in... |
| 16:50 |
thexyz |
___________ |
| 16:50 |
thexyz |
/ _ _ \ |
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thexyz |
| | |__ (_) | |
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thexyz |
| | '_ \| | | |
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thexyz |
| | | | | | | |
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rubenwardy |
Dont be homophobic, thexyz |
| 16:50 |
thexyz |
| |_| |_|_| | |
| 16:50 |
thexyz |
\ / |
| 16:50 |
thexyz |
----------- |
| 16:51 |
markveidemanis |
haha |
| 16:51 |
thexyz |
\ ^__^ |
| 16:51 |
sfan5 |
eh |
| 16:51 |
thexyz |
\ (oo)_______ |
| 16:51 |
thexyz |
(__) )/\ |
| 16:51 |
sfan5 |
ShadowBot? |
| 16:51 |
thexyz |
||----w | |
| 16:51 |
thexyz |
|| || |
| 16:51 |
markveidemanis |
haha |
| 16:51 |
thexyz |
okey |
| 16:51 |
sfan5 |
mooo |
| 16:51 |
thexyz |
<3 |
| 16:51 |
sfan5 |
:D |
| 16:52 |
nore |
,11Backgrounds too!! |
| 16:52 |
PilzAdam |
#minetest: Was never found ontopic since -c again... |
| 16:52 |
NekoGloop |
shadowbot ignores ops iirc |
| 16:52 |
ShadowNinja |
sfan5: I disabled a protection method, my bot has virtually banned him a few times. ;-) But there is obviously a bug, probably with imunities... |
| 16:52 |
VanessaE |
jeesh |
| 16:53 |
nore |
irc logs... 16:50 |
| 16:53 |
nore |
nore |
| 16:53 |
nore |
1a2b3c4d5f6g7h8i9j10l11m12n13o14p15q16r |
| 16:53 |
nore |
a few problems with colors |
| 16:53 |
VanessaE |
colors don't bother me so long as people don't overuse them |
| 16:54 |
NekoGloop |
meow |
| 16:54 |
VanessaE |
(I figure the novelty will wear off sooner or later) |
| 16:54 |
sfan5 |
7,13S9,8p,2a,5a5,3a,10a7,2a2,12a4,2a,10c,4e3,15e,9e,12e9,12e,12e3,9e9,5 3,10K9,8i8,10t,6t,5e6,15n4,14!,6 ,14<7,33 |
| 16:54 |
VanessaE |
NekoGloop: fix the damn kitten generator ;) |
| 16:54 |
ShadowNinja |
^ If they are abused any more +c comes back. |
| 16:54 |
NekoGloop |
It is fixed |
| 16:54 |
sfan5 |
my attempt obviously failed |
| 16:54 |
nore |
|
| 16:54 |
NekoGloop |
relatively fixed |
| 16:55 |
rubenwardy |
Will will please stop doing this! |
| 16:55 |
rubenwardy |
*we |
| 16:55 |
sfan5 |
7Y4es 4we4 8w6i5ll6! |
| 16:57 |
rubenwardy |
wuu2, all? |
| 16:57 |
PilzAdam |
.__ __ __ |
| 16:57 |
PilzAdam |
_____ |__| ____ _____/ |_ ____ _______/ |_ |
| 16:57 |
PilzAdam |
/ \| |/ \_/ __ \ __\/ __ \ / ___/\ __\ |
| 16:57 |
PilzAdam |
| Y Y \ | | \ ___/| | \ ___/ \___ \ | | |
| 16:57 |
markveidemanis |
interrupt |
| 16:57 |
PilzAdam |
|__|_| /__|___| /\___ >__| \___ >____ > |__| |
| 16:57 |
kaeza |
nope |
| 16:57 |
PilzAdam |
\/ \/ \/ \/ \/ |
| 16:57 |
sfan5 |
!kick markveidemanis you fool |
| 16:57 |
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markveidemanis was kicked by MinetestBot: you fool |
| 16:57 |
rubenwardy |
(What you up to?) |
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markveidemanis |
F**you |
| 16:58 |
PilzAdam |
markveidemanis, stop insulting others |
| 16:58 |
markveidemanis |
..... |
| 16:58 |
sfan5 |
(rubenwardy: writing things in braces) |
| 16:58 |
thexyz |
5Pi4lz7Ad8am9: 3having f2un 6tim5e? |
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markveidemanis |
▄███▄░░▄███▄░░████▄░████▄░██▄░░▄██ |
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markveidemanis |
▀█▄▀▀░██▀░▀██░██░██░██░██░░▀████▀░ |
| 16:58 |
markveidemanis |
▄▄▀█▄░██▄░▄██░████▀░████▀░░░░██░░░ |
| 16:58 |
markveidemanis |
▀███▀░░▀███▀░░██░██░██░██░░░░██░░░ |
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PilzAdam |
thexyz, Im a bit bored |
| 16:59 |
rubenwardy |
parentheses! |
| 16:59 |
thexyz |
I see |
| 16:59 |
sfan5 |
I think I'm going to add a rainbow mode to MinetestBot |
| 16:59 |
* sfan5 |
pets MinetestBot |
| 16:59 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 16:59 |
VanessaE |
eek |
| 16:59 |
VanessaE |
someone discovered figlet. |
| 17:00 |
nore |
sfan5, add a "Colored Minetest banner" like PA did... |
| 17:00 |
sfan5 |
nore: and it is pasted when someone says minetest? |
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PilzAdam |
D: |
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kaeza |
D: |
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sfan5 |
D: |
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PilzAdam |
<red>D:</red> |
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Tiktalik |
█░░░███░█░░ |
| 17:00 |
Tiktalik |
█░░░█░█░█░░ |
| 17:00 |
Tiktalik |
███░███░███ |
| 17:01 |
Tiktalik |
figlet is for noobs |
| 17:01 |
Tiktalik |
pros make their text MANUALLY |
| 17:01 |
sfan5 |
ascii.. |
| 17:01 |
rubenwardy |
sfan5, how about for rainbow mode: !mlp david \n <MinetestBot> David is my favorite pony! |
| 17:01 |
Tiktalik |
even if it takes forever |
| 17:01 |
nore |
color flood |
| 17:01 |
sfan5 |
rubenwardy: haha |
| 17:03 |
nore |
has logging bot been updated to handle colors? |
| 17:03 |
thexyz |
no |
| 17:03 |
sfan5 |
MinetestBot? |
| 17:03 |
sfan5 |
MinetestBot! |
| 17:03 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5! |
| 17:04 |
nore |
why is there no problem in logs now then? |
| 17:04 |
nore |
http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-11-09#i_3425344 |
| 17:05 |
thexyz |
because someone unfun disabled it again |
| 17:05 |
rubenwardy |
what |
| 17:05 |
nore |
I'm still seeing colors here... strange |
| 17:05 |
sfan5 |
nore: the text by markveidemanis uses ascii dos charsa |
| 17:05 |
sfan5 |
-a |
| 17:06 |
nore |
sfan5, yes but what I said was colored |
| 17:06 |
nore |
and yet there are no problems |
| 17:06 |
nore |
or wasn't it? |
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thexyz |
that's probably your irc client |
| 17:06 |
issa2013 |
hé |
| 17:06 |
sfan5 |
nore: many client still show the color even if it doesn't get through |
| 17:06 |
issa2013 |
sfan5, PilzAdam about the cross compiling ? |
| 17:06 |
sfan5 |
clients have no way to verify |
| 17:07 |
nore |
ok... so color mode was disabled... :( |
| 17:07 |
thexyz |
fuck ops |
| 17:07 |
thexyz |
r-right? |
| 17:08 |
nore |
and is there any way to know who did that? |
| 17:08 |
sfan5 |
no |
| 17:08 |
PilzAdam |
issa2013, look at util/buildbot/buildwin32.sh |
| 17:08 |
thexyz |
well if sfan5 says so |
| 17:08 |
sfan5 |
technically no |
| 17:09 |
thexyz |
okey |
| 17:09 |
thexyz |
now have a fun pic http://cs7011.vk.me/c540106/v540106120/56b2/Q5cbgifx5KI.jpg |
| 17:13 |
markveidemanis |
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/q71/556477_1409180825963910_140776713_n.jpg |
| 17:16 |
reactor |
? |
| 17:17 |
reactor |
john_minetest: is this German: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFVwiqTAzb4? |
| 17:18 |
reactor |
mk |
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markveidemanis |
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=41633.0 read |
| 17:23 |
sfan5 |
markveidemanis: can you please stop? |
| 17:23 |
sfan5 |
MinetestBot: quit |
| 17:23 |
markveidemanis |
disturbing isnt it? |
| 17:23 |
sfan5 |
markveidemanis: can you please stop? |
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sfan5 |
I will! |
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issa2013 |
PilzAdam, http://pastebin.com/j7aF1DTr |
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PilzAdam |
issa2013, of course you have to install mingw |
| 17:33 |
Jordach |
evening all |
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PilzAdam |
hey Jorroof |
| 17:34 |
Jordach |
wat |
| 17:34 |
PilzAdam |
(Dach is german for roof) |
| 17:34 |
Jordach |
wat wat wat |
| 17:43 |
issa2013 |
who is the leader dev of minetest ? |
| 17:43 |
Calinou |
issa2013: celeron55 |
| 17:43 |
PilzAdam |
there is no lead dev, all core devs are equal |
| 17:44 |
PilzAdam |
c55 is just the one who started it all |
| 17:44 |
thexyz |
but some devs are more equal |
| 17:45 |
Jordach |
mmm chinese food.... |
| 17:45 |
Jordach |
not even the curry is spicy enough, its a pussy! |
| 17:46 |
issa2013 |
PilzAdam, Calinou u mak some dev for minetest to ? |
| 17:46 |
issa2013 |
what are u doing in the real life |
| 17:46 |
Jordach |
...plays minetest? :D |
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issa2013 |
:) |
| 17:48 |
issa2013 |
so |
| 17:48 |
issa2013 |
i played in minetest i do a little home server |
| 17:49 |
issa2013 |
but i explore the map |
| 17:49 |
issa2013 |
but when i m dead i respawn to loong from where i am so how please ? |
| 17:50 |
hmmmm |
there are bed mods IIRC |
| 17:51 |
VanessaE |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2625 |
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Calinou |
I'm not core dev |
| 17:52 |
Calinou |
but I contribute a bit, and make mods/packs |
| 17:53 |
reactor |
issa2013 проÑрал вÑе полимеры. |
| 17:54 |
thexyz |
this is gonna be good https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=117421#p117421 |
| 17:55 |
Jordach |
lol |
| 17:55 |
Jordach |
religion ftl |
| 17:55 |
reactor |
Totally. |
| 17:55 |
reactor |
Religion is ignorance by choice. |
| 17:55 |
Jordach |
but science and legends agree on that we came from clay hydrogels |
| 17:57 |
reactor |
Why not. |
| 17:59 |
* rubenwardy |
is having pizza and chips |
| 17:59 |
Jordach |
lol rubem |
| 18:00 |
rubenwardy |
with mayonaise! |
| 18:01 |
reactor |
Have fun with bowel problems later in life. |
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thexyz |
live fast die young |
| 18:03 |
thexyz |
don't care about shit like this |
| 18:04 |
thexyz |
right? |
| 18:05 |
thexyz |
because this of course will never happen to you |
| 18:05 |
rubenwardy |
It is an odd meal for me |
| 18:05 |
rubenwardy |
Yesturday I had homemade curry |
| 18:05 |
issa2013 |
reactor, wtf |
| 18:08 |
rubenwardy |
I am pretty sure my fitness level is going to cause more problems than what I eat |
| 18:08 |
reactor |
issa2013: |
| 18:09 |
reactor |
Eh? |
| 18:09 |
reactor |
rubenwardy: I see. |
| 18:10 |
issa2013 |
<reactor> issa2013 проÑрал вÑе полимеры. |
| 18:10 |
issa2013 |
sorry i don"t understand russia |
| 18:10 |
reactor |
Aight. |
| 18:10 |
* Menche |
google translates |
| 18:11 |
thexyz |
lol |
| 18:11 |
thexyz |
it won't help you |
| 18:11 |
Calinou |
rubenwardy: it's not hard to walk/run a bit every day, you should do it :P |
| 18:11 |
rubenwardy |
I just took my puppy for a 1hr walk :P |
| 18:11 |
reactor |
He's a lazy ass. |
| 18:12 |
rubenwardy |
yep |
| 18:12 |
reactor |
I won't be surprised he also runs Windows on all his machines. |
| 18:12 |
rubenwardy |
Nope |
| 18:12 |
rubenwardy |
Ubuntu / Windows |
| 18:12 |
reactor |
Ubuntu. |
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| 18:13 |
reactor |
I rest my case. |
| 18:13 |
rubenwardy |
I find windows more productive |
| 18:13 |
reactor |
Oh yeah? |
| 18:13 |
rubenwardy |
yep |
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rubenwardy |
Except in a few cases |
| 18:13 |
reactor |
You really are strange. |
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issa2013 |
:) |
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rubenwardy |
ie: when updates are downloading, or when the antivirus is running |
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rubenwardy |
nope, reactor |
| 18:14 |
reactor |
I see. It's not issa2013 who проÑрал вÑе полимеры, it's you. |
| 18:14 |
rubenwardy |
nope, reactor, I am just part of the 46.42% |
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thexyz |
issa2013: roughly, it means something like "all is lost, we're fucked" |
| 18:14 |
reactor |
46.42% of what? |
| 18:14 |
rubenwardy |
You are part of the 1.61% |
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rubenwardy |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems |
| 18:14 |
Menche |
that > google translate > fucked all polymer being. |
| 18:14 |
reactor |
I see. |
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thexyz |
I'm not sure why are reactor talking russian here but I'm not really surprised |
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thexyz |
s/are/is/ |
| 18:14 |
reactor |
Menche: wrong. |
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Menche |
lol |
| 18:15 |
thexyz |
no, he's 0.11 i think |
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* Menche |
likes google translate mainly for it's humorous incorrect translations |
| 18:15 |
reactor |
Did you know 95% of people are retards? |
| 18:15 |
thexyz |
because *bsd iirc |
| 18:15 |
reactor |
I don't mean anything, just a food for thought. |
| 18:16 |
rubenwardy |
Ubuntu is a better OS |
| 18:16 |
thexyz |
who knows |
| 18:16 |
reactor |
If you're a lazy dweeb, yes. |
| 18:16 |
Menche |
google translate offers several alternate translations but is convinced you're talking about polymers. |
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thexyz |
https://fixubuntu.com/ |
| 18:16 |
rubenwardy |
But all my projects and IDEs are on Windows |
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reactor |
Menche: I am. |
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thexyz |
Menche: it's a meme |
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reactor |
IDE. I wonder who needs that shit. |
| 18:16 |
thexyz |
it's hard to explain |
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rubenwardy |
You need them to compile |
| 18:17 |
thexyz |
watch a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBX2czMmZSU |
| 18:17 |
Menche |
you need an IDE to compile? |
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reactor |
HA! |
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rubenwardy |
Not for all |
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reactor |
IN YOUR FACE! |
| 18:17 |
rubenwardy |
For VB |
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* Menche |
just makes a Makefile |
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rubenwardy |
Fuck off. reactor!*@* added to ignore list. |
| 18:17 |
reactor |
Mkay. |
| 18:17 |
thexyz |
lol |
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thexyz |
you don't seem very popular |
| 18:18 |
rubenwardy |
Me or him? |
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thexyz |
reactor |
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reactor |
An IDE to compile. You've made my day. |
| 18:19 |
thexyz |
hm.. this is weird |
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thexyz |
this is when ops usually appear to stop flamewar |
| 18:19 |
thexyz |
or whatever should that be called |
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thexyz |
but there aren't any |
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thexyz |
yet they find time to enable +c or do some other unfun shit |
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thexyz |
how's that related to ops not being here? |
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rubenwardy |
reactor!*@* removed from ignore list. :P |
| 18:22 |
thexyz |
that was fast |
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thexyz |
it took longer for me |
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reactor |
Night night. |
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dafull97 |
hey guys |
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VanessaE |
oh sure, I step away to read forums and fix a quick bug in pipeworks, and the whole channel goes to hell |
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dafull97 |
when does craigy ormally get on? |
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VanessaE |
idk |
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dafull97 |
k, haha |
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I don't have hooves |
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brohooves Calinou |
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PilzAdam |
john_minetest, http://youtu.be/w2lnMWOld38 |
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VanessaE |
bbl |
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thexyz |
Very boring U know wen u open it it will just wait 2 min. But its more dan 2 min. On it so i will rate it 2 stars because u will wate 2 min. On it and it will just stop on it so i dont like this game and i will uninstall on it sooooooo very lame game!:'( |
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PilzAdam |
thexyz, the 2 minute problem is solved in the current dev version |
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thexyz |
it's about android version |
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thexyz |
lol |
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thexyz |
russian comments are even more hilarious |
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DarinM1967 |
Hey everybody. PilzAdam's recommended I come here for help with my blender to direct x issue, since the other channel "minetest-mods" is pretty dead. |
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DarinM1967_ |
Sorry I dropped out. Tried reloading the page and had to log back on. |
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Ritchie |
DarinM1967_: hi, you dropped because your IP address has changed |
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DarinM1967 |
Sorry I'm back again. Sorry for being a pop in and out pest, but the web based system wasn't working very well. |
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DarinM1967 |
I never could tell whether or not any of you could see my messages. If any of you could please let me know. If not I'll repeat myself. Thanks in advanced for any assistance you can give. :) |
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PilzAdam |
DarinM1967, nobody sees your messages |
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DarinM1967 |
Really? PilzAdam's were you able to? |
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PilzAdam |
no |
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PilzAdam |
DarinM1967, you could just look at the logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ |
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DarinM1967 |
Okay then I'll try to explain it again. I am using PilzAdam's Simple Mobs with BlockMan's Wasteland mod and it works great, but I'm having problems exporting a modified version of PilzAdam's "sand monster" as a direct x file, which is now a zombie. Anyway, when I spawn the zombie in it's really small, has no animations and the only part of the texture showing is it's chest and back. |
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DarinM1967 |
I'm using blender 2.69 on Windows 7 64 bit. |
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PilzAdam |
I cant help you with that problem, since i havent made the models for simple mobs |
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PilzAdam |
I guess Jordach could help you a bit |
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DarinM1967 |
That would be great. Should I wait till he responds or Private chat him? |
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GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Weather: Fix uninitialized weather_update_time (sorry proller) b401e58c0d 2013-11-09T12:29:22-08:00 http://git.io/EGyeFA |
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DarinM1967 |
Btw PilzAdam Simple Mobs is a great mod. It's simple and clean. Nice job. |
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DarinM1967 |
While I'm waiting for Jordach to respond. I'm curious if any of you have tried BlockMen's "Wasteland". It's a really cool premise. I run PlizAdam's "Simple Mobs" with it and have modified the init.lua so that only rats appear and they do very, very rarely. |
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us_0gb |
I need a recipe for my landclaim nodes. I want to use nine steel blocks, but according to my latest census, there isn't that much iron in the ground. |
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stujones11 |
DarinM1967: see https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4728 |
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Jordach |
wat |
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paramat |
PilzAdam, the floatlands fix was tested by us^0gb last night and seems to work https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/989 |
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OldCoder |
Sapier is asleep, I assume |
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OldCoder |
Well, if anybody would like to work on MT with me let me know |
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OldCoder |
The worlds are rising again |
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paramat |
Adam ... however i cannot do the actual github pull request is that is required |
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thexyz |
OldCoder: sapier seems to be actively talking in #-dev and submitting pull requests, he must be busy, not asleep |
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OldCoder |
thexyz, t y but as he is not here perhaps I should not disturb him |
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OldCoder |
Would he mind? |
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thexyz |
dunno? |
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OldCoder |
Hmm |
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Peacock |
good morning minetestians |
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paramat |
Hi P |
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Peacock |
http://youtu.be/NZRu2tKTS1Q |
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paramat |
heh he's a peacock! |
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us|0gb |
Good morning! |
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| 22:13 |
Peacock |
for your bishop ring mod: you could close the top with glass, essentially making it a very long tube lol |
| 22:13 |
Peacock |
http://www.terasemweb.org/images/Stanford_Torus.jpg |
| 22:13 |
Peacock |
sorta like that |
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paramat |
hmm |
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paramat |
yeah thats so small it needs a top to keep atmosphere in |
| 22:15 |
Peacock |
im not entirely sure how big an object has to be to hold an atmosphere |
| 22:15 |
paramat |
100 kms to stop atmosphere leakage? |
| 22:15 |
Peacock |
though in Mars's case it's the lack of a magnetic field that accounts for the weak-ass atmosphere on that planet |
| 22:17 |
Peacock |
considering the size of maps though, you could probably fit in quite a few rings and have a multi-colony thing going |
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paramat |
yep 1D horizontal realms can be side-by-side or stacked |
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paramat |
mapgen talk on dev channel at 18:16 *reads* |
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paramat |
i think of MT atmosopheres as being 1-2kms deep, since clouds dissappear from view at y = 2100, when the clouds dissappear i consider that orbit or space |
| 22:25 |
Peacock |
well the clouds in mt were set ridiculously low to begin with |
| 22:25 |
Peacock |
not sure if it's still the case, i always disable them |
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| 22:27 |
cy1 |
So apparantly in the 1.7 update minecraft devs had the brilliant innovation of referring to their blocks and entities by name instead of an ID number. |
| 22:28 |
us|0gb |
You know what? That's a great idea! We should copy that idea. |
| 22:28 |
Peacock |
cyl that was convered on the forums lol |
| 22:28 |
Peacock |
and as it was said there, namespaces weren't invented by MT lol |
| 22:30 |
cy1 |
I know. I just like rolling in irony. |
| 22:30 |
Peacock |
irony? lol |
| 22:31 |
cy1 |
For the record I think referring to blocks by ID numbers is the better idea, but only if you can keep the client and server in sync. |
| 22:31 |
cy1 |
With diverse servers that gets intractable fast. |
| 22:31 |
us|0gb |
Yeah, I agree. |
| 22:31 |
cy1 |
Unless you can download client mods, from the server itself. Trusted code execution, anyone? |
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cy1 |
...anyone? |
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us|0gb |
The numbers take less space in the databases too. |
| 22:32 |
* cy1 |
crickets |
| 22:32 |
Peacock |
i really dont get the psychology here sometimes lol we copy so much from MC, but when MC does something slightly like MT, people go nuts lol |
| 22:32 |
us|0gb |
I don't care if they copy us. It's a compliment. |
| 22:32 |
cy1 |
Peacock: They're closed source. We're open source. I don't see how that's hard to get. |
| 22:33 |
us|0gb |
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. |
| 22:33 |
Peacock |
i dont really see where licensing comes into it cyl lol |
| 22:33 |
cy1 |
us|0gb: It could be like for palette images, where you download a list of string identifier -> integer and then the block data is just integers. |
| 22:33 |
Peacock |
ogb agreed, we have two very similar games, obviously they're going to employ some of the same ideas |
| 22:33 |
cy1 |
Peacock: licensing? Closed source is a physical technique. |
| 22:34 |
Peacock |
cyl what? |
| 22:34 |
cy1 |
Licenses are only as good as people uphold them. Closed source will stay closed no matter what you say about it though. |
| 22:35 |
Peacock |
yeah but what does any of that have to do with both games sharing common features? |
| 22:35 |
us|0gb |
cy1: Doe that not happen? In the C++, I thought the server (and probably the client) dealt with nodes by identifier numbers assigned at the time of node registration. |
| 22:35 |
cy1 |
eh, I just think that it's more abrasive when secretive hostile apps copy, because even Notch could commit a patch to minetest. |
| 22:35 |
cy1 |
us|0gb: ...you know, I'm not sure. Now that I think about it, you might be right. |
| 22:36 |
Peacock |
well you can' GPL an idea cyl lol |
| 22:36 |
Peacock |
those are called patents, and last i checked, RMS was against those too |
| 22:36 |
Peacock |
and namespaces are hardly unique to MT, as i said early on |
| 22:36 |
cy1 |
but us modding minecraft? good luck! Get your decompilers and deobfuscaters cracking. You might figure out how to just barely get started in a year or so. :p |
| 22:36 |
Peacock |
ogb PA explained that nodeids change when nodes are added/removed |
| 22:37 |
Peacock |
cyl well obviously some people do succeed at modding MC |
| 22:37 |
us|0gb |
Peacock: You are discussing open/closed source, a thing that has nothing to do with Stallman. Some open source stuff doesn't meet his standard either. |
| 22:37 |
cy1 |
Yeah they do... after a massive waste of time and labor. |
| 22:37 |
Peacock |
naw cyl is discussing open/closed source, and i dont get what that has to do with namespaces lol |
| 22:38 |
cy1 |
It has to do with copying. |
| 22:38 |
cy1 |
And why people make an uproar about open -> closed, but not closed -> open |
| 22:38 |
us|0gb |
Peacock: How do you remove nodes? |
| 22:38 |
Peacock |
cyl well obviously they think it's worth it, and they have the userbase for them to feel they get enough respect out of the effort |
| 22:38 |
Peacock |
cyl copying what exactly? |
| 22:39 |
Peacock |
ogb well nodes are removed when you no longer register them |
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us|0gb |
THat's not removal then, and of course that would change the IDs if they are assigned at registration time. |
| 22:40 |
OldCoder |
Does anybody wish to try Octuteam Revived? kaeza? |
| 22:40 |
Peacock |
well they're removed in the sense that you had the node before but no longer after deleting the register node code |
| 22:40 |
cy1 |
What's param0 used for again...? |
| 22:40 |
us|0gb |
OldCoder: Is that a server or module? |
| 22:40 |
OldCoder |
us|0gb, It is a world that is over a year old |
| 22:40 |
OldCoder |
Nice and complicated |
| 22:40 |
us|0gb |
Param0 might be the node ID or node number. |
| 22:40 |
OldCoder |
If it still works with new technic and mesecons |
| 22:40 |
cy1 |
Ah, great! |
| 22:41 |
cy1 |
Then yes us|0gb, there is a lookup table for string -> integer ID |
| 22:41 |
us|0gb |
Oops, I meant node ID or node name. |
| 22:41 |
cy1 |
not sure where it is, but the block data definitely considers param0 to be a uh... |
| 22:41 |
cy1 |
16 bit integer. |
| 22:41 |
Peacock |
minetest.get_content_id(name) -> integer |
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us|0gb |
OldCoder: If this is a hosted world to log into, I'll try it, but I don't have the resources to run a world right now. |
| 22:42 |
us|0gb |
Oops, too late. |
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cy1 |
OldCoder: Where is it located? |
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us|0gb |
OldCoder: If this is a hosted world to log into, I'll try it, but I don't have the resources to run a world right now. |
| 22:43 |
OldCoder |
us|0gb, cy1 *I* run my worlds :-) |
| 22:43 |
OldCoder |
I had 20 and I am reviving them one by one |
| 22:43 |
OldCoder |
If there are people to review for broken stuff I will restart the 3rd world |
| 22:43 |
OldCoder |
Octuteam |
| 22:43 |
us|0gb |
Okay, just being sure before I commit to anything. |
| 22:43 |
OldCoder |
Pretty damn complicated |
| 22:43 |
OldCoder |
Lots of farms and windmills or whatever |
| 22:43 |
us|0gb |
SO we are looking for broken nodes then? |
| 22:43 |
OldCoder |
Hang on I lost my sessions |
| 22:43 |
us|0gb |
*So |
| 22:43 |
OldCoder |
Anything that needs to be fixed |
| 22:44 |
OldCoder |
If I have 2 volunteers I will set it up in the next hour |
| 22:44 |
us|0gb |
I'll do it. |
| 22:44 |
cy1 |
sure |
| 22:44 |
us|0gb |
(In another voice) I'll do it as well. |
| 22:45 |
Peacock |
multiple personalities, interesting :P |
| 22:45 |
OldCoder |
Heh |
| 22:45 |
cy1 |
They both type on the same keyboard. It's double hacking. |
| 22:45 |
OldCoder |
I have updated the mods, stuff is broken. We will see. |
| 22:45 |
OldCoder |
Waiting for Animals ATM. |
| 22:45 |
OldCoder |
Sapier is reviewing things. |
| 22:45 |
us|0gb |
That second one wasn't me, Peacock. *whistles suspiciously* |
| 22:45 |
Peacock |
Deepthroat? |
| 22:45 |
OldCoder |
Umm |
| 22:46 |
Peacock |
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Throat_(Watergate)) |
| 22:46 |
OldCoder |
Ah |
| 22:46 |
Peacock |
get your minds out of the gutters :P |
| 22:46 |
OldCoder |
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* OldCoder |
whistles |
| 22:46 |
Peacock |
lol |
| 22:47 |
us|0gb |
Gutters, what? I'm thinking of Kermit the Frog. |
| 22:47 |
cy1 |
Animals? Another mob framework? :/ |
| 22:47 |
OldCoder |
Good old Kermit |
| 22:47 |
OldCoder |
cy1, the cows and sheep and birds and fish |
| 22:47 |
cy1 |
Oh, mobf. |
| 22:47 |
OldCoder |
I am about to try a new release yes |
| 22:47 |
OldCoder |
This saving old worlds stuff is tricky |
| 22:47 |
Peacock |
goods, i got my 5x5 craft guide working |
| 22:48 |
OldCoder |
Shall I add your mod? |
| 22:48 |
cy1 |
but do you have any recipes? D: |
| 22:48 |
OldCoder |
Does it conflict with zcg craft guide? |
| 22:48 |
Peacock |
though for some reason set_list() doesn't set the output of get_craft_recipe in the right tiles, i have to loop through the table |
| 22:48 |
Peacock |
dont know if bug or intended |
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* us|0gb |
wonders what kind of dirty thoughts Peacock has about the green Muppet |
| 22:49 |
Peacock |
well as far as i can tell, none of the craft guides i tried work correctly |
| 22:49 |
cy1 |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOn1htjSZic |
| 22:49 |
OldCoder |
Peacock, tried zcg? |
| 22:49 |
OldCoder |
And does yours conflict with that? |
| 22:49 |
Peacock |
yeah it depends on an inventory mod i dont want/need, i need the craftguide to be standalone |
| 22:50 |
Peacock |
its gonna be like an RTS-type research station |
| 22:50 |
cy1 |
RTS? |
| 22:50 |
Peacock |
real time strategy, you usually have to research stuff before being able to build the complex stuff |
| 22:51 |
cy1 |
Ah, huh. |
| 22:51 |
Peacock |
so the craft guide im working on wont reveal everything at once |
| 22:51 |
Peacock |
though you'll still be able to guess/craft stuff |
| 22:52 |
Peacock |
but with a 5x5 grid, that could take a while lol |
| 22:52 |
cy1 |
Gotcha... |
| 22:53 |
Peacock |
i still need to add a machine slot since half the stuff ins't crafted but made in a factory-type node |
| 22:53 |
Peacock |
and i only got about a dozen machines lol |
| 22:55 |
Peacock |
next up, the vmanip shield gen |
| 22:55 |
OldCoder |
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OldCoder |
snow depends on stairsplus but stairsplus is gone... should I simply remove stairsplus from snow depends? |
| 22:55 |
Peacock |
theres snow in default now i think |
| 22:56 |
us|0gb |
Change the stairsplus dependancy to moreblocks. |
| 22:56 |
OldCoder |
us|0gb, t y is Peacock right? |
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* OldCoder |
checks |
| 22:56 |
Peacock |
t y? |
| 22:56 |
OldCoder |
thank you |
| 22:56 |
Peacock |
oh lol |
| 22:57 |
us|0gb |
I think there is snow in default, but the snow module adds more than just snow. |
| 22:57 |
us|0gb |
It also adds some trees and moss. |
| 22:57 |
OldCoder |
I don't see snow in minetest_game |
| 22:57 |
OldCoder |
What is your link for latest snow? |
| 22:57 |
OldCoder |
The old one from a year ago? |
| 22:57 |
us|0gb |
Snow is in default, not minetest_game. |
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| 22:57 |
OldCoder |
Searching |
| 22:57 |
Peacock |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/default/nodes.lua#L113 |
| 22:58 |
us|0gb |
And it's only snow, not all the other stuff added by the snow module. |
| 22:58 |
OldCoder |
Thanks |
| 22:58 |
OldCoder |
What snow module would you use? |
| 22:58 |
Peacock |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/default/nodes.lua#L1328 |
| 22:58 |
us|0gb |
It depends on the effect you want. |
| 22:58 |
us|0gb |
DO you want moss and pine trees? |
| 22:58 |
us|0gb |
*Do |
| 22:59 |
OldCoder |
If they are not high CPU sure |
| 23:00 |
us|0gb |
Hmm. I don't know if snow:snow is hgh on resource usage do to its generation ... |
| 23:00 |
us|0gb |
I don't think default:snow generates at all yet. |
| 23:00 |
us|0gb |
*high |
| 23:00 |
OldCoder |
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Peacock |
well imo if it's default, i wouldn't bank on the snow mod being maintained eternally |
| 23:01 |
OldCoder |
us|0gb, others; what snow module would you recommend? Link |
| 23:01 |
OldCoder |
Hmm? |
| 23:01 |
OldCoder |
So drop snow? |
| 23:01 |
us|0gb |
I've been out of touch with modules for ages. |
| 23:01 |
us|0gb |
I don't even know what any do anymore. |
| 23:02 |
OldCoder |
Ditto |
| 23:02 |
us|0gb |
I mean, I know how they USED to work, but I'm sure much has changed. |
| 23:02 |
OldCoder |
But making it work |
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| 23:02 |
Peacock |
its 50/50, using default means migrating your current nodes -> default nodes, sticking with snow mod means it probably won't be updated often in the future |
| 23:02 |
us|0gb |
It would be fine to remove snow, but you'll have broken nodes. |
| 23:02 |
OldCoder |
Hmm |
| 23:02 |
OldCoder |
I will keep it |
| 23:02 |
Peacock |
i have something for broken nodes |
| 23:02 |
OldCoder |
Oh? |
| 23:02 |
cy1 |
lol bank on the snow mod |
| 23:03 |
Peacock |
http://pastebin.com/yDRjHJwX |
| 23:03 |
OldCoder |
R |
| 23:03 |
OldCoder |
bank? |
| 23:03 |
OldCoder |
Peacock, interesting |
| 23:03 |
OldCoder |
How do I use it? |
| 23:04 |
Peacock |
convert_node(oldnode,newnode) |
| 23:04 |
OldCoder |
Ah |
| 23:04 |
OldCoder |
Must be tailored |
| 23:04 |
Peacock |
if theres nothing on the convert list the abm isn't registered |
| 23:04 |
OldCoder |
But OK; may try later |
| 23:04 |
us|0gb |
I've seen that one. You have to keep a list of unknown nodes though. I like mine better, but it leaves them all in place, making them still unknown, but as gag nodes the way mese used to be. |
| 23:04 |
cy1 |
I made one of those once... |
| 23:05 |
Peacock |
well i use it when i dev mods, lots of stuff gets migrated from one mod to another as they grow in complexity lol |
| 23:05 |
us|0gb |
We need a new gag node anyway. |
| 23:05 |
VanessaE |
hi |
| 23:05 |
us|0gb |
Hello! |
| 23:05 |
Peacock |
good morning! |
| 23:06 |
OldCoder |
snow breaks because no stairsplus |
| 23:06 |
OldCoder |
Can this be fixed? |
| 23:06 |
Menche |
wasn't stairsplus merged with moreblocks? |
| 23:06 |
us|0gb |
Change all references to stairsplus to references to moreblocks. |
| 23:07 |
OldCoder |
Patching |
| 23:07 |
OldCoder |
So nobody has made an updated snow mod? |
| 23:07 |
us|0gb |
I wouldn't know. |
| 23:08 |
* OldCoder |
edits |
| 23:09 |
us|0gb |
Menche: I was thinking about your idea today (the one about a game referencing modules from anywhere), and I think I'm going to do that in my game using symbolic links. |
| 23:09 |
Peacock |
if it depends on stairsplus, wont the mod be looking for stairsplus:* nodes? |
| 23:09 |
us|0gb |
Yeah, it might be. |
| 23:10 |
Peacock |
or trying to use stairsplus.* functions come to think of it |
| 23:10 |
Peacock |
bbl |
| 23:11 |
us|0gb |
The references to the functions were the ones I was talking about changing. |
| 23:13 |
us|0gb |
OldCoder: You could maybe add "local stairsplus = moreblocks" to the top of the file. |
| 23:13 |
OldCoder |
Thanks |
| 23:13 |
OldCoder |
Debugging problems |
| 23:13 |
OldCoder |
Will report baack |
| 23:13 |
OldCoder |
back * |
| 23:13 |
us|0gb |
Okay, good luck! |
| 23:14 |
us|0gb |
Ah, that's where I recognized you from. I knew it was somewhere. |
| 23:14 |
OldCoder |
Hi! |
| 23:15 |
us|0gb |
Yeah, I expected you to point that out in the other channel, but you never did. |
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| 23:15 |
us|0gb |
With that name, it's hard to forget. |
| 23:17 |
paramat |
Oldcoder, snow mod by Splizard is *the* snow mod |
| 23:17 |
cy1 |
animals_modpack/mobf/mobf.lua:807: attempt to index field 'spawning' (a nil value) |
| 23:17 |
OldCoder |
Hi |
| 23:18 |
OldCoder |
paramat, Link please? |
| 23:18 |
paramat |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2290 |
| 23:19 |
paramat |
but snow nodes are now in 0.4.7 stable, but not used in mapgen |
| 23:19 |
* john_minetest |
puts a kitten on OldCoder's head and runs away. Cya. |
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| 23:19 |
OldCoder |
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| 23:19 |
OldCoder |
Hi! |
| 23:20 |
OldCoder |
paramat, So should I use the Splizard mod? |
| 23:21 |
OldCoder |
15:18:20: ERROR[main]: /opt/minetest047/share/minetest/mods/snow/init.lua: |
| 23:21 |
OldCoder |
15:18:20: ERROR[main]: /opt/minetest047/share/minetest/mods/snow/init.lua:271: a |
| 23:21 |
paramat |
if you're trying to support an old world, just use the nes nodes provided in minetest game default |
| 23:21 |
OldCoder |
ttempt to index global 'moreblocks' (a nil value) |
| 23:21 |
OldCoder |
How should I do that? |
| 23:21 |
OldCoder |
What do I do? |
| 23:21 |
paramat |
umm not sure perhaps alias? |
| 23:21 |
Menche |
isn't that fixed by adding moreblocks to depends.txt? |
| 23:21 |
* OldCoder |
is not familiar but thanks |
| 23:21 |
OldCoder |
Menche, I did that... odd |
| 23:21 |
OldCoder |
Reviewing further |
| 23:22 |
* OldCoder |
digs into the files |
| 23:22 |
OldCoder |
default |
| 23:22 |
OldCoder |
moreblocks |
| 23:22 |
OldCoder |
I patched RealBadAngel's snow |
| 23:22 |
OldCoder |
That is the depends.txt |
| 23:22 |
OldCoder |
And I replaced occurrences of stairsplus with moreblocks... |
| 23:23 |
OldCoder |
init.lua:moreblocks.register_stair_and_slab_and_panel_and_micro ... |
| 23:23 |
OldCoder |
Like that... |
| 23:23 |
OldCoder |
Hmm |
| 23:23 |
* OldCoder |
tries again |
| 23:24 |
paramat |
snow nodes were added to 0.4.7 stable in order to be used by mapgen v7 when that's done |
| 23:25 |
OldCoder |
The question is... what should I do... trying again |
| 23:25 |
OldCoder |
attempt to index global 'moreblocks' (a nil value) |
| 23:25 |
OldCoder |
Any suggestions before I delete snow? |
| 23:26 |
OldCoder |
load_mod_moreblocks = true |
| 23:26 |
us|0gb |
I need a good way to compare recipes for equality according to Minetest. So, for example, XX_,XX_,XX_ would be equal to _XX,_XX,_XX. Any ideas? Preferably ideas outside of Lua, such as in Sh or Python, but Lua works too. |
| 23:27 |
OldCoder |
Hmm... I am loading moreblocks |
| 23:27 |
OldCoder |
us|0gb, I can probably write a Perl script |
| 23:27 |
OldCoder |
But not today |
| 23:27 |
OldCoder |
So, I have moreblocks, it is loaded, snow has moreblocks in depends, but moreblocks is nil |
| 23:27 |
OldCoder |
No comments? |
| 23:27 |
us|0gb |
Okay, I'll figure it out. I wasn't asking for a writing, just a concept of how. |
| 23:27 |
OldCoder |
Sure |
| 23:27 |
OldCoder |
Show me two recipes |
| 23:27 |
OldCoder |
us|0gb, |
| 23:27 |
OldCoder |
Can paste elsewhere or here if short |
| 23:28 |
us|0gb |
Where does moreblocks keep its table? |
| 23:28 |
us|0gb |
Maybe I had the table namw wrong is why. |
| 23:28 |
us|0gb |
*name |
| 23:29 |
OldCoder |
Table? |
| 23:29 |
OldCoder |
I am in the code |
| 23:29 |
us|0gb |
The table it stores its functions in. |
| 23:29 |
OldCoder |
Reviewing |
| 23:30 |
OldCoder |
function register_stair_slab_panel_micro(modname, subname, recipeitem, groups, |
| 23:30 |
OldCoder |
register_stair(modname, subname, recipeitem, groups, images, descriptio |
| 23:30 |
OldCoder |
regis |
| 23:30 |
OldCoder |
Function just looks like that... |
| 23:30 |
OldCoder |
R further |
| 23:30 |
OldCoder |
Looks simply like a function |
| 23:30 |
OldCoder |
Name is not in a table |
| 23:30 |
us|0gb |
No table then? Okay, remove the "moreblocks." prefix on the function calls then. |
| 23:30 |
OldCoder |
k will try t y |
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| 23:32 |
OldCoder |
15:30:04: ERROR[main]: Failed to load and run script from |
| 23:32 |
OldCoder |
15:30:04: ERROR[main]: /opt/minetest047/share/minetest/mods/snow/init.lua: |
| 23:32 |
OldCoder |
15:30:04: ERROR[main]: /opt/minetest047/share/minetest/mods/snow/init.lua:271: a |
| 23:32 |
OldCoder |
ttempt to call global 'register_stair_and_slab_and_panel_and_micro' |
| 23:32 |
* OldCoder |
senses this will not work :-) |
| 23:33 |
OldCoder |
I could drop dropping just that register call from snow |
| 23:33 |
Menche |
try adding the moreblocks prefix to both the calls and definitions? |
| 23:33 |
OldCoder |
Then part of snow might still more |
| 23:33 |
OldCoder |
Menche, I will try. But isn't there a standard way to do this? And I am the only one who used RBA snow? But thanks, proceeding. |
| 23:33 |
* OldCoder |
patches |
| 23:34 |
us|0gb |
We just removed the "moreblocks." prefix, as that wasn't working. |
| 23:34 |
Menche |
that prefix was in the calls but not the definitions |
| 23:34 |
OldCoder |
Wait, I don't want to patch moreblocks |
| 23:34 |
us|0gb |
OH! Sorry, my dyslexia was acting up again. |
| 23:34 |
OldCoder |
If there is no standard way to do this, I should probably give up snow |
| 23:35 |
OldCoder |
But is there no standard way to fix the snow mod? |
| 23:35 |
Peacock |
well you could keep the functionality of the snow but just change it to use the default nodes |
| 23:35 |
OldCoder |
How so? |
| 23:35 |
OldCoder |
Would the old nodes break? |
| 23:36 |
Peacock |
not sure of they all use the same types of nodes though |
| 23:36 |
* OldCoder |
gives up |
| 23:36 |
OldCoder |
Sayanora Snow |
| 23:36 |
OldCoder |
There is no standard way? Odd. It seems simple. |
| 23:36 |
Menche |
or just copy the old stairsplus functions over so they're part of snow |
| 23:36 |
OldCoder |
Just replacing one mod with another |
| 23:36 |
OldCoder |
Menche, may try that later thanks |
| 23:37 |
* OldCoder |
sighs |
| 23:37 |
OldCoder |
Lots of new broken mods |
| 23:38 |
OldCoder |
Worlds are down until worked out |
| 23:38 |
OldCoder |
Thanks for assistance, folks. I will report back. |
| 23:38 |
OldCoder |
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| 23:39 |
OldCoder |
Heh |
| 23:39 |
OldCoder |
[FOOD DEBUG] Ingredient sugar has no built in equiv |
| 23:39 |
OldCoder |
[FOOD DEBUG] Ingredient cup has no built in equiv |
| 23:39 |
OldCoder |
This is likely to take a while |
| 23:39 |
cy1 |
OldCoder: That function is in the stairsplus mod I think... isn't it a dependency for "snow"? |
| 23:39 |
OldCoder |
cy1, There is no longer a stairsplus mod |
| 23:39 |
OldCoder |
I have been told to use moreblocks instead |
| 23:39 |
OldCoder |
Using stairsplus breaks things too |
| 23:39 |
OldCoder |
Heh double |
| 23:41 |
cy1 |
The standard way to fix a mod whose code is old enough that it depends on a mod that no longer exists, is to edit the code in a text editor or IDE repeatedly until it works again. |
| 23:41 |
cy1 |
`-` |
| 23:42 |
Peacock |
well i think w/ prollers' weather stuff there hasn't been much impetus to maintain snow mod, or rain and snow mod (jeija) |
| 23:42 |
Peacock |
*and |
| 23:43 |
OldCoder |
Yep |
| 23:43 |
OldCoder |
But now worlds are broken and will need to be fixed |
| 23:43 |
OldCoder |
Oh well again |
| 23:45 |
Peacock |
thats bound to happen when mods and engine are updated - what we need is better migration tools to that end |
| 23:46 |
us|0gb |
There's always aliasing, but that is kind of manual. I don't know how we could build a better tool than that, though one is definitely needed. |
| 23:48 |
OldCoder |
I am fixing all of it now |
| 23:49 |
us|0gb |
Building my jumbo game is going to be a nightmare, if I ever go back to that idea. |
| 23:49 |
us|0gb |
Unless I don't use other people's code. |
| 23:50 |
us|0gb |
If they want their modules included, they can join the project, but there's little chance they'll want to do thet. |
| 23:50 |
us|0gb |
*that |
| 23:55 |
OldCoder |
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| 23:55 |
OldCoder |
OK I have got my worlds to load again |
| 23:55 |
us|0gb |
Where is the site for the in-game module downloads? |
| 23:55 |
OldCoder |
I will set up Octuteam now if some of you wish to try it |
| 23:55 |
us|0gb |
Never mind, I think I found it. |
| 23:55 |
us|0gb |
I'll try it. |
| 23:56 |
us|0gb |
Nope, didn't find it. |
| 23:58 |
VanessaE |
us|0gb: https://forum.minetest.net/mmdb/ |
| 23:58 |
us|0gb |
VanessaE: Awesome. Thanks! |
| 23:59 |
us|0gb |
VanessaE: DO you log in with your forum credentials? It won't let me do that, and I can't find a link to create an account. |
