Time Nick Message 00:00 Peacock apparently putin likes femen too lol 00:01 Peacock http://jordanrussiacenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/putin-femen.jpg 00:01 Peacock menche - i though of making that my signature lol but... not sure if family friendly lol 00:05 paramat i remember him being so cool, knowing a million guards would jump in, so flirted 00:07 * Jordach wonders if Peacock is seeding a torrent to Jordach 00:07 Peacock dat face lol 00:08 Jordach there is always a chance :P 00:09 Peacock i dont seed jack lol 00:09 Peacock best way to get sued 00:10 Peacock and though i like to discuss movies, im not sure we're supposed to be discussing torrents specifically on here 00:11 Peacock ie i got shit for it last time lol 00:36 paramat proller, hmmmm, my attempt at fixed floatlands code is ready for scrutiny and testing, it is posted here https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=117500#p117500 anyone else want to test this? please do :) i want this fixed for 0.4.8 00:48 harrison Peacock you are deluged with a torrent of oppression 00:48 harrison i blame the System 00:49 Peacock lol why all this talk of torrents all of a sudden? 00:49 harrison i was riffing off your chat of 18:21:45 00:49 harrison and sympathizing with your oppressed status 00:50 Peacock opressed by who? lol 00:50 * us^0gb opens Transmission, his bit torrent client 00:50 harrison [18:21:45] and though i like to discuss movies, im not sure we're supposed to be discussing torrents specifically on here 00:50 harrison [18:22:07] ie i got **** for it last time lol 00:50 Peacock ugh, transmission is thoroughly lacking in configurability, id go with deluge 00:51 harrison someone must have been dishing it out for you to have gotten it or so i reasoned 00:51 harrison i blame the System 00:51 us^0gb I hardly ever use torrents, I don't know what clients are good and not. 00:51 Peacock well that was jordach but im pretty sure he's just drunk lol 00:51 * us^0gb looks up Deluge 00:51 Peacock not much of what he said to me made sense lol 00:52 Peacock speaking of movies though, i recently saw The Madness of King George, pretty good 00:52 harrison yes it was 00:53 harrison especially Pitt 00:53 harrison the parliamentarian 00:53 Peacock i only looked it up because nigel hawthorn was in it, still 00:53 Peacock Pitt was the PM right? 00:53 harrison did you see Naked? 00:54 harrison http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_(film) 00:54 Peacock already there lol 00:54 Peacock checking it out i mean 00:54 Peacock dont know any of the actors 00:54 paramat probably best hmm-mm checks the code of my floatlands fix before anyone tests it, there are probably mistakes 00:55 Menche xchat cuts that URL after the underscore, so it goes to the wikipedia article about nudity 00:55 Peacock nice 00:55 Peacock its casual friday after all 00:55 harrison review http://theplaylist.blogspot.com/2008/08/david-thewlis-talks-naked-reveals-mike.html 00:57 harrison If that sounds intense, shit, just watch "Naked" again for all the rape scenes, the unromantic and harsh violence, the misanthropy and misery... god. It's amazing, but brutal, be forewarned. 00:57 harrison mmm.... misanthropy... 00:58 Peacock well its friday night im not in the mood for depressing lol having a beer, will be starting up hypem.com soon along with a new batch of sunday gravy (spaghetti sauce) 00:58 harrison k you need to be amused then 00:58 harrison have you seen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Star_(film) 00:59 Peacock this time i got nine big cans of diced tomatoes, not sure i even have enough tupperware for all the sauce lol 01:00 harrison most hilarious alien ever 01:00 Peacock the only carpenter film i saw was escape from new york and it sucked lol 01:00 harrison you havde such the negative energy tonight mr Peacock 01:00 Peacock reason to be, the new terminator movie is going to be a reboot lol 01:00 harrison but i still affirm your core of human value 01:01 Peacock though at least i got top comment on dog for stating i like Salvation and wanted to see a sequel of that 01:01 harrison you like joss whedon? 01:01 Peacock just looked it him up 01:01 harrison did you see his shakespeare film much ado about nothing? 01:01 Peacock his forehead is like the dome of St Pauls 01:02 harrison christopher wren's architectural masterpiece? 01:03 Peacock St Paul's Cathedral, don't know who built it tho 01:03 harrison just told you 01:03 harrison http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Wren 01:03 harrison Sir Christopher Michael Wren PRS (20 October 1632 – 25 February 1723) is one of the most highly acclaimed English architects in history.[1] He was accorded responsibility for rebuilding 52 churches in the City of London after the Great Fire in 1666, including his masterpiece, St. Paul's Cathedral, on Ludgate Hill, completed in 1710. 01:11 Peacock ugh, just got one of those scam calls lol 01:11 Warr1024 Rachel from Card Services? 01:20 dafull97 hey guys 01:20 us^0gb Hello! 01:21 dafull97 hey 01:29 dafull97 us^0gb, come my channel =) 01:37 harrison Rachel from Card Services, this is Christopher Wren, the architect. "Pleased to meet you, Mr. Wren." "How do you like the 17th century so far, Rachel?" 01:37 harrison can't stop the harrison 02:39 hmmmm paramat, it looks good 02:39 hmmmm why don't you try testing it on your own though? 02:40 hmmmm you might want to make zstride a u32 though 02:40 stormchaser3000 hi 02:42 stormchaser3000 !up minetest-classic.com 02:42 MinetestBot minetest-classic.com:30000 is up (2945ms) 02:58 hmmmm oh you weren't in the channel even 02:58 hmmmm [09:39 PM] paramat, it looks good 02:58 paramat thanks hm-mm! 02:58 hmmmm [09:39 PM] why don't you try testing it on your own though? 02:58 hmmmm [09:40 PM] you might want to make zstride a u32 though 02:59 paramat umm ... im not able to complie and test yet, have not yet learnt how to 02:59 hmmmm what are you on? windows I guess? 02:59 paramat (compile) 03:00 paramat linux ubuntu 03:00 hmmmm that's 10x easier then 03:00 stormchaser3000 ikr 03:00 hmmmm I really don't know how you're able to get along without a working dev environment 03:00 stormchaser3000 it is easier 03:00 paramat yeah i intend to learn :) 03:00 stormchaser3000 i can run through a step by step thing 03:00 hmmmm yeah same here 03:00 stormchaser3000 just read the readme file 03:00 hmmmm you have lots of people to help 03:01 paramat okay thanks, not now but i'll follow the readme 03:01 paramat i do like working independantly as a modder, LVM means i may be able to do everything i want i lua 03:02 hmmmm still, for bugfixes and whatever 03:02 hmmmm also what if you want to add something to the lua api 03:02 paramat yes exactly 03:03 paramat proller you around to test this? :) 03:03 hmmmm well at the very least you can do a diff against the original file 03:03 hmmmm diff -ruN 03:04 paramat cd to the file in terminal and that command? 03:05 paramat sorry nevermind i search how to do that ;) 03:05 hmmmm er 03:05 hmmmm diff -ruN minetest/src/mapgen_indev.cpp your_version_of_mapgen_indev.cpp 03:06 paramat okay 03:07 kaeza hmmmm, see #-dev 03:07 kaeza http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2013-11-09#i_3423041 <-- this 03:10 hmmmm ermm, I don't really know anything about player animations kaeza, you're talking to the wrong person about that 03:10 kaeza guess I'll have to get PA to see that :/ 03:10 kaeza thanks anyway 03:10 hmmmm sorry 03:11 kaeza no probs 03:11 VanessaE taoki also. 03:11 * VanessaE pokes Taoki 03:11 VanessaE well I guess he's not a dev :P 03:12 paramat proll uses u32 for the noise indexes, while your advice was 'int', not sure which is best ... 03:30 thefamilygrog66 howdy folks 03:30 thefamilygrog66 Willkommen 03:30 thefamilygrog66 Bienvenido 03:31 stormchaser3000 hi 03:31 stormchaser3000 the family grogg 03:31 stormchaser3000 are yo on a server 03:31 thefamilygrog66 not presently, no 03:31 thefamilygrog66 what's up? 03:32 stormchaser3000 idk 03:32 stormchaser3000 i am on a skype call 03:32 stormchaser3000 with someoen 03:32 stormchaser3000 lo 03:32 stormchaser3000 lol 03:32 thefamilygrog66 alrighty then 03:32 stormchaser3000 but ii can go on a server 03:32 stormchaser3000 lol 03:32 kaeza hey frog 03:32 kaeza grog* 03:33 thefamilygrog66 troglodyte, yep 03:33 thefamilygrog66 :) 03:33 thefamilygrog66 what's happening, kaeza? 03:33 kaeza about to kill VE's server >:D 03:33 stormchaser3000 lol 03:33 stormchaser3000 how 03:33 stormchaser3000 >:D 03:33 stormchaser3000 jk 03:34 * stormchaser3000 hacks using cammand line script 03:34 stormchaser3000 jk 03:34 stormchaser3000 i am not a hacker 03:34 kaeza hacker != cracker 03:34 stormchaser3000 and i am not a cracker 03:34 stormchaser3000 lol 03:34 stormchaser3000 if i was i would have admin privs on all servers 03:34 kaeza a hacker builds, a cracker destroys 03:35 stormchaser3000 and many griefeers would be banned 03:35 kaeza don't mix them 03:35 Peacock i think crackers prefer to be called "white folk" 03:35 * stormchaser3000 thinks peacock is racist all of a sudden 03:36 Peacock yes, i am extremely racist against my own people lol (i think that's called a liberal) 03:36 kaeza lol 03:36 stormchaser3000 not lol 03:39 thefamilygrog66 I have these 1/2 sized Herobrines wandering around the caves on my server, saying "STEVE" (sampled from the monkey from Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs). It's a little disconcerting. 03:39 VanessaE hey grog 03:39 stormchaser3000 on your server what s the ip and port i forgor 03:39 stormchaser3000 forgor 03:39 stormchaser3000 forgot 03:39 thefamilygrog66 Howdy V 03:40 thefamilygrog66 sorry, it's not public stormchaser 03:40 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: Y U NO PLAY ON MY SERVERS? :) 03:40 stormchaser3000 i know 03:40 stormchaser3000 but what is the ip 03:40 stormchaser3000 so i can connect 03:40 stormchaser3000 (mannualy typing it in) 03:40 thefamilygrog66 no, I mean it's a private server - locked down right now 03:41 thefamilygrog66 the computer it's running on is on its last legs, I'm afraid. Gotta set up a new frankenputer soon... 03:42 us^0gb I built one of those once. 03:42 us^0gb All the parts were outdated though, so the machine itself is new, yet outdated. 03:42 thefamilygrog66 there are a lot of spare parts lying around at work, fortunately 03:42 thefamilygrog66 which server do you recommend, V? 03:43 stormchaser3000 kaeza's server 03:43 stormchaser3000 or vanessae's server 03:43 kaeza lol 03:43 stormchaser3000 or sfan5's server 03:43 stormchaser3000 (survival not hunger games) 03:43 thefamilygrog66 does it have Khaaaaaaaaan's loon sounds? 03:43 kaeza or any other server? 03:44 stormchaser3000 um 03:44 Peacock loon sounds? damn that was a long time ago 03:44 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: it depends on your preference. vanessae.mine.bz port 30000 (my game, Creative), 30001 (my game, modestly modified, Survival), 30002 (Nostalgia Game), 30003 (Nore's MG), 30004 (Realtest Game) 03:44 stormchaser3000 cheese burger's server 03:44 Peacock and i can't make those sounds anymore by court order :( 03:44 thefamilygrog66 I just downloaded yer version of ambient sounds or something, dude 03:45 thefamilygrog66 lol, I picture you running from the police with your hands cupped in front of your face, making loon sounds while fleeing 03:45 stormchaser3000 lol 03:45 thefamilygrog66 which one is the most challening, V? 03:46 Peacock i make a decent wookie actually lol 03:46 thefamilygrog66 *challenging 03:46 thefamilygrog66 nice 03:46 Peacock though ive actually never been arrested, many close calls, but when you can make 'em laugh, they tend to take it easy lol 03:47 thefamilygrog66 man, the constant burning sound coming from underground (due to those damn dungeonmasters) is also freaking me out 03:47 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: Realtest, by a wide margin 03:47 VanessaE (most challenging) 03:47 Peacock im not a fan of those dungeonmasochists either 03:47 thefamilygrog66 cool, I'll check it out 03:47 thefamilygrog66 fire bad. 03:48 thefamilygrog66 - frankenstein's monster 03:48 Peacock btw grog, seen this? http://youtu.be/P7Jy312JCUQ 03:49 thefamilygrog66 haha, yes I did watch that one today actually 03:49 thefamilygrog66 what a freakin train wreck 03:49 Peacock i only saw it this morning, LMFAO'd myself 03:50 Peacock and i thought they had it bad in Montreal 03:50 Peacock all we're missing is a scandal in Vancouver and we'll have a hat trick lol 03:51 thefamilygrog66 it's a clown show for sure 03:52 thefamilygrog66 hey, look at me running xchat on my windows laptop, eh? no more webchat for this guy 03:52 Peacock windows laptop? 03:52 Peacock christ compels you! install trisquell! 03:52 Peacock :P 03:53 us^0gb Christ isn't with our group. 03:53 us^0gb Don't lump him in with us. 03:53 us^0gb (Please.) 03:53 thefamilygrog66 sounds like a freakin cracker 03:54 Peacock http://bornagainpagan.com/other/041-where-is-your-god-now.gif 03:54 us^0gb When God gives you lemons, find a new god. 03:54 Peacock well RMS has a messianic complex of his own :P so im not sure which is better 03:55 thefamilygrog66 holy PNG warnings, VanessaE! 03:55 us^0gb Stallman is a fool in many ways. He should not be blindly followed. 03:55 VanessaE yeah I know, but it's Dan's game, and it works despite the warnings :) 03:55 us^0gb But that doesn't mean many of his ideas are not good. 03:56 Peacock his analysis (plural?) are correct, but his remedies and methods are questionable at best, let's leave it at that :P 03:56 us^0gb Some of his analisises are off as well, as best I can tell. 03:57 us^0gb There's a bit of flawed logic in there as well. 03:57 Peacock past his prime, happens to the best of us :P 03:57 Peacock you know this batch of sunday gravy fills the whole 40L pot? lol 03:57 Peacock took me an hour just to chop up the onions, pepperoni and salami 03:58 thefamilygrog66 what are you cooking up there? 03:58 us^0gb I don't know what you mean with your food references. 03:58 Peacock sunday gravy (spaghetti sauce) 03:58 Peacock no one here's seen Goodfellas? 03:58 us^0gb Is this a change of topic? 03:58 Peacock well personally id rather talk about food than RMS lol 03:58 us^0gb I have not. I assumed this was some sort of expression. 03:59 us^0gb I'd rather talk abut food as well. 03:59 thefamilygrog66 is that what the kids are calling it these days? 03:59 us^0gb My favorite is a good mild salsa with lemon juice. 03:59 us^0gb *about 03:59 Peacock http://youtu.be/MQhBfRDd6GM 04:02 thefamilygrog66 bitcoins 04:02 Peacock bitcoins? lol 04:02 thefamilygrog66 just saw them mentioned on the triscuits site 04:02 thefamilygrog66 *trisquell 04:02 thefamilygrog66 *trisquel 04:02 thefamilygrog66 jebus 04:03 Peacock i still think bitcoins is a scam lol 04:03 us^0gb I wonder if I could buy crackers with bitcoins ... assuming I actually had any bitcoins. 04:03 thefamilygrog66 I don't quite get the concept 04:03 thefamilygrog66 but I'm old and things frighten me 04:03 us^0gb I don't know what to think of bitcoins, so I mostly ignore them. 04:03 Warr1024 you usually can't buy groceries with them 04:04 * thefamilygrog66 doesn't like the looks of those teenagers 04:04 VanessaE it's just a modern equivalent to Flooz 04:04 Peacock concept is easy, the fact that the author is anonymous, and seems to be holding a large number of them him/herself, that concerns me lol 04:04 VanessaE and whatever else they tried to push back in y2k 04:04 us^0gb Teenagers are quite frightening. 04:04 VanessaE well prior. 04:04 VanessaE the .com bust rathr 04:04 VanessaE rather* 04:04 thefamilygrog66 isn't it kinda like vidyergame money? 04:04 us^0gb Yeah, sort of. 04:04 Peacock well geeks have a really good handle on technology, and just as much a bad handle on the real world lol 04:05 thefamilygrog66 hmmm, not gonna pay my oil bill with that 04:05 Warr1024 I've been thinking about accepting bitcoins as donations for free software I publish; the only thing I'd really likely do with them is donate them to other charities... 04:05 Warr1024 They ARE real money (technically, at least in the USA) 04:05 Peacock bitcoins are also deflationary (a set amount) 04:05 Warr1024 except there's a very narrow market for them. 04:06 Peacock so as a real currency it's a joke, because the longer you hold onto to them, the more you can buy 04:06 Warr1024 how's that a joke? 04:06 Warr1024 I'd think it would be the other way around. 04:06 Peacock ever heard of the great depression? 04:06 us^0gb That sounds like interest to me. 04:06 Warr1024 actually, bitcoins will lose value 04:07 Warr1024 because as the supply starts to go down, other competing virtual currencies will start to get more attractive. 04:07 thefamilygrog66 kinda like the CAN$ 04:07 Peacock if holding onto your money rather than spending it means you can buy more, than who has incentive to spend money? and consequently, what does it do to the economy? 04:07 Warr1024 holding onto money doesn't allow you to buy more indefinitelly. 04:07 Warr1024 you will eventually die. 04:08 Warr1024 after that, you can't buy shit. 04:08 Peacock well since bitcoins have an artificial limit, they'll increasingly be worth more with time, which means prices must continually come down 04:08 thefamilygrog66 a) how does one earn bitcoins? b) what sorts of items can be bought with them? 04:08 Warr1024 also, the mining of new bitcoins is tied to computing hashes of transaction blocks, which means it requires transactions. 04:08 Peacock id rather invest my money in property, god ain't making any more of it 04:09 Warr1024 Peacock: yeah, but everybody else is. 04:09 Warr1024 are you talkin' real property or chattels? 04:09 Warr1024 and if you're talking real, land or improvements? 04:10 Peacock land where i am, by the time i retire, ittl probably be the outskirts of the city 04:11 Warr1024 thefamilygrog66: a) by either "mining" them, or just getting paid them for shit like regular money, and 2) whatever people are willing to sell for them. Virtual currency is mostly exchanged for virtual goods. 04:11 Warr1024 Peacock: that works as long as there isn't a housing crash again. 04:11 thefamilygrog66 there never was a housing crash here 04:11 thefamilygrog66 yet... 04:11 Warr1024 the way our global economy is designed, we need to have a crash every so often to realign inflated prices with actual value. 04:11 thefamilygrog66 Peacock and I are up in Canuckistan, remember? 04:11 Warr1024 of course, who knows where it will strike. 04:12 Peacock our banks are a little more solid than down south 04:12 Peacock for starters, our gov't never backed risky loans 04:12 Warr1024 in that case, don't invest too heavily in land, as shitty neighbors will lower your property values. 04:13 Peacock you can have shitty neighbours anywhere... i dont see that as a valid reason not to buy lol 04:13 thefamilygrog66 all neighbours are shitty 04:13 Warr1024 I was referring to Canada's shitty neighbor :-D 04:13 thefamilygrog66 "hell is other people" 04:13 thefamilygrog66 haha 04:13 Peacock condos are worse than a plot of land in the country 04:14 Warr1024 yeah, killing your own food in a condo is frowned upon. 04:14 * thefamilygrog66 sold my plot of land in the country earlier this year 04:14 Warr1024 Down here in the states, not every one of us has a plot of land to sell. 04:15 * us^0gb confirms this 04:15 Peacock yeah but you guys also wasted a shitton of money on homes 10x than what you needed 04:15 thefamilygrog66 I had to move into the city - the commute was driving me nuts. 04:15 Peacock *10x bigger 04:15 Warr1024 well, it worked out well for me. I got mine at the bottom of the market. 04:16 dafull97 wow Pilzadam's client is awesome! 04:16 Peacock grog well i live downtown in a small city, where the rent is half for the same space in a big city downtown 04:16 Peacock well yeah the best time to buy is when the markets' in the toilets, sellers are desperate 04:16 us^0gb dafull97: Which client? 04:17 Peacock i would have never bought anything between 05-07, even back then i thought it was too expensive 04:17 thefamilygrog66 I'm digging the 3% 5 year fixed rate 04:17 dafull97 idk, the download page 04:17 dafull97 said pilzadam 04:18 Peacock well im still renting since we had a bankrupcty a year ago :P 04:18 us^0gb dafull97: Sorry, I thought you meant PilzAdam's IRC client. I thought he talked you into switching or something. 04:18 Warr1024 5 year fixed? you mean unfixed after 5 years? 04:18 dafull97 haha no the minetest 04:18 Peacock though im still glad we pay half the rent than most our friends back in Montreal 04:18 dafull97 i decided to try 04:18 thefamilygrog66 after 5 years can choose another fixed or variable 04:18 Warr1024 wait, pilzadam has a custom client? 04:18 dafull97 yes 04:19 Peacock if i had to buy today, id chose something i could afford if the interest rate was much higher, in case. 04:19 thefamilygrog66 but my monthly mortgage payment stays the same for 5 years 04:19 Warr1024 I ended up finally deciding to buy when my mortgage for a house ended up being a bit cheaper than my rent for a townhouse. 04:19 Peacock im actually looking for a rent-to-buy agreement 04:20 Warr1024 I don't even really get how those work. 04:20 Peacock if the place turns out to have hidden problems, i can dump it after a year 04:20 thefamilygrog66 my house was only $165K, so it's pretty reasonable 04:20 thefamilygrog66 (small city as well) 04:20 Peacock rent to buy? simple, if you decide to buy, all your rent payments count as a down 04:20 Warr1024 so after a while, you can just decide to say "oh, I was actually paying rent all along" or "oh, I was making payments against the property?" 04:20 Warr1024 that kind of flexibility must come at some cost... 04:21 Peacock no, after a while you can decide, hey id like to own this place, and your rent payments arent for nought 04:21 Warr1024 otherwise the buyer/renter gets a lot of benefit, with the seller/renter taking a lot of risk. 04:21 Peacock well alot of rentals are being converted into condos, so rent-to-buy is beneficial to both parties 04:21 Warr1024 hm, maybe it makes sense with real property 04:22 Warr1024 I hear people talking about doing that with cars... 04:22 Peacock i wouldn't buy a flat to live in it forever, i'd pay off as much as i could then buy real property (land and a small house) 04:22 Peacock cuz honestly, condo boards suck donkey balls 04:22 thefamilygrog66 I plan on living in the city until my kids are older 04:23 thefamilygrog66 could never deal with condos and all that entails 04:23 Peacock seriously 04:23 Peacock its like living in a commune, every aspect of your personal life is scrutinized 04:23 thefamilygrog66 I like cutting my lawn when it suits me, haha 04:23 Peacock "you had guests over last night that made a bit of noise leaving at 2am" 04:23 Peacock a fucking door makes noise lol 04:24 Warr1024 sorry, if you still have guests at 2AM, it's your duty to shoot them with tranquilizer guns and don't wake them until 9AM at the earliest. 04:24 thefamilygrog66 "sorry, you can't paint your condo that colour - it's not in the list of approved shades of brown" 04:24 Peacock they want to legalize assisted suicide, there are a few people in my last condo i would have liked to assist lol 04:24 Peacock they wont even let you change the floors no matter how fucking bad the carpet is lol 04:25 VanessaE if we ever get this house (or any), I am never letting anyone tell me what I can or cannot put in my yard, what color my window have to be, or any of that shit. 04:25 thefamilygrog66 stick it to the man, VanessaE! 04:25 Warr1024 Well, I've got an HOA, but they mostly only bitch about stuff visible from the outside. 04:25 VanessaE it'll be MY house and I will do with it as I please (well, ours Abe and I) 04:25 Peacock so no gated communities for vanessa :P those are almost as bad 04:25 VanessaE Peacock: FUCK NO 04:25 thefamilygrog66 hahaha 04:25 hmmmm HOAs are horrible 04:25 VanessaE and if a HOA ever tries to move in, I will NOT sit back quietly. 04:25 Warr1024 I don't think they can just move in. 04:25 Warr1024 don't they need unanymous buy-in from existing residents? 04:26 VanessaE Warr1024: I've heard stories of just that. 04:26 Peacock HOA? 04:26 hmmmm look it up peacock 04:26 Warr1024 some people like 'em, I guess. 04:26 VanessaE Home Owners' Association 04:26 Warr1024 Mine hasn't been much of a pain. 04:26 VanessaE and I' 04:26 Warr1024 not yet, at least. 04:26 thefamilygrog66 I'm happy with a small house and decent yard, within walking/biking distance to work and downtown, rooms for my kids, and nobody to tell me what I can or can't do with my own house/yard. 04:26 hmmmm all you need to know is that you should avoid any properties that are under a HOA 04:26 Peacock oh jesus, thats like a condo board lol 04:26 VanessaE I've heard stories of them just "moving in" as long as enough residents agree 04:27 VanessaE those who didn't were basically fucked, or were made to think they were. 04:27 hmmmm that's horrible and sounds illegal 04:27 hmmmm I wonder why they didn't fight back 04:27 Peacock i would have burnt my property lol 04:27 VanessaE who knows 04:27 Peacock collect the insurance, move somewhere sane 04:28 thefamilygrog66 I can't see it happening where I am - old school (i.e. wartime) suburbs 04:28 VanessaE Peacock: few bricks through the right organizations' windows would be more effective. 04:28 Peacock lol seriously, if i own my property, i'll do whatever the fuck i want with it, and if they have something to say, they better come heavy or not at all lol 04:29 Warr1024 I dunno, HOA's seem kind of benign to me; in exchange for asking for approval for everything you want to do to the exterior of your home, your neighbors have to do the same, so you don't buy a house, then move in next to some ass-hole who paints his whole house gold and neon pink and takes down your property values. 04:29 Peacock my wife's a native and she doesn't need permits to bare arms lol 04:29 thefamilygrog66 I hear ya. Wanna get a chicken coop in my backyard next year. 04:29 VanessaE Warr1024: which is the whole problem: 04:29 Warr1024 Bare arms are fine as long as you remember sunscreen. 04:30 Warr1024 VanessaE: what's the problem? 04:30 VanessaE DON'T BUY A HOUSE JUST TO THINK OF ITS FUTURE PROPERTY VALUES!!~ 04:30 VanessaE fucking buy the place to LIVE THERE 04:30 thefamilygrog66 hear hear 04:30 Warr1024 eh, property values are not entirely unimportant until I've payed the place off. 04:30 thefamilygrog66 I'm painting my house green, orange and purple 04:30 thefamilygrog66 Because I like secondary colours 04:31 Peacock *bear arms lol im not english 04:31 VanessaE property values have SOME meaning yes, but if you're gonna live out the rest of your life there, why do they matter? 04:31 thefamilygrog66 Besides, paint is cheap in the long run 04:31 Warr1024 well, who knows where life will take me in the years to come. 04:31 Peacock well more to the core, do you own the property or not? if you do, it's yours do with as you wish 04:31 Warr1024 own is a complicated thing. 04:31 Peacock only rentals have rules 04:32 VanessaE Warr1024: of course - but you should plan to make a home your home for life. 04:32 VanessaE and if property values drop? oh well. that's life. 04:32 Peacock well not for life 04:32 Peacock life changes 04:32 Warr1024 I just bought the thing, got a mortgage, so technically I "own it with a lien" but that's kind of like owning and kind of like not owning. 04:32 thefamilygrog66 that said, this is my third house of my own 04:32 Peacock i dont plan on having kids, but im a minority there 04:32 VanessaE Peacock: how old are you? 04:32 Peacock pushing 29 in not long lol 04:33 thefamilygrog66 just a young pup 04:33 VanessaE Peacock: give it another 10 years, and you'll start to feel the tiredness. 04:33 Peacock well i'd have trouble living in the same place my whole life 04:33 Peacock neighbourhoods change 04:33 thefamilygrog66 try having two kids, and then talk to me about tiredness, haha 04:33 Warr1024 I'm only 2 or 3 years older and the tiredness is already palpable. 04:33 Peacock i dont want kids lol 04:34 us^0gb Me neither. 04:34 VanessaE Peacock: sure, they change. But that's true no matter where you live. Is it *really* worth all the effort to rip up and move every so often? 04:34 VanessaE I can't have kids, thefamilygrog66. 04:34 VanessaE but I believe you :) 04:35 thefamilygrog66 I'm just saying I haven't slept well in over 12 years is all :) 04:35 VanessaE haha 04:35 Peacock well im the kind of guy who walks around and explores his entire environment, so after a few years i like having new places to explore 04:35 VanessaE Peacock: eventually you will get tired of exploring without having a permanent "base" to return to. 04:35 Warr1024 Personally, I don't like moving, but who knows what'll happen. 04:35 thefamilygrog66 I find playing in bands helps satisfy that, Peacock 04:35 Peacock i have lived in TO, suburbs of TO, Montreal, Suburbs of Montreal and now more central Quebec 04:35 thefamilygrog66 i.e. playing other cities 04:35 Warr1024 not having a "base" does suck, and moving a "base" is a real painful process. 04:36 Peacock well don't forget im an insomniac most of the year, so i do walk around alot :P 04:36 VanessaE that's why older couples often go traveling - they have the time and money to do it, and the desire to look around I guess. 04:36 thefamilygrog66 I'm playing a gig up in Ottawa tomorrow night, which should be a blast 04:36 VanessaE (or some do anyway) 04:36 Warr1024 Peacock: seasonal affective disorder or something? 04:36 thefamilygrog66 my folks used to go on cruises every winter - now my Mom does 04:37 Peacock dunno, i have a hard time experiencing the same places and same people for very long, i need change in that department, i think that's what makes me antisocial lol 04:37 Peacock Warr1024 i mostly don't sleep in fall and winter yes 04:37 Warr1024 they say that special full-spectrum lightbulbs help with that... 04:37 VanessaE Peacock: yeah, see, you're the exception. 04:38 Warr1024 I guess that kind of thing would be worse living farther from the equator. 04:38 VanessaE most people aren't antisocial fuckers like you ;) 04:38 * thefamilygrog66 is 04:38 VanessaE heh 04:38 thefamilygrog66 haha 04:38 Warr1024 I dunno, y'all talk an awful lot in here to be "antisocial." 04:38 thefamilygrog66 and yet strangely sociable 04:38 Peacock well, my parents always said i got bored with everything easily, i guess they weren't kidding :P 04:38 thefamilygrog66 it's a dichotomy 04:38 VanessaE maybe you're just ADD :) 04:39 thefamilygrog66 sounds like ADD to me 04:39 Peacock heck i'd even like to try living in Yellowknife and Whitehorse :P 04:39 VanessaE come down to North Carolina for a while. then you'll see what makes it so inviting :() 04:39 VanessaE :) 04:40 Peacock ive been labeled ADD, and a dozen other things too lol 04:40 thefamilygrog66 hehe 04:40 Peacock see 2 doctors, get 5 opinons lol 04:40 VanessaE hahga 04:40 VanessaE haha 04:41 thefamilygrog66 What's NC like, V? 04:41 Peacock i mean its no secret ive had over 30 very different jobs lol 04:41 Peacock probably warm :P 04:41 thefamilygrog66 warmer than here, I'm sure... 04:42 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: the weather is usually good, the scenery is breathtaking, and the people are generally really nice. 04:42 thefamilygrog66 cool 04:42 VanessaE well warmer, sure. 04:42 VanessaE but I meant the winters don't get crazy like they do in the north 04:42 thefamilygrog66 I haven't been to the US in like 17 years or something 04:43 thefamilygrog66 lived in New Orleans for a couple months back in my early 20s 04:43 thefamilygrog66 toured down the west coast in my mid-late 20s 04:45 thefamilygrog66 so why is this server "realtest"? 04:46 thefamilygrog66 what does that mean, exactly? 04:46 Peacock i think i went to florida in 95 04:47 VanessaE that's Dan Duncombe's rewrite of sda97's Realtest Game, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2671 04:48 VanessaE just about everything you could want to change about minetest_game has been changed. that ^^^ was the result. 04:48 VanessaE Dan cleaned it up and brought it all up-to-date. 04:49 Peacock what sticks out most in my memory of florida is the humidity lol 04:50 dumdidum hello, is there any use for leaves? 04:50 VanessaE use them for fuel, dumdidum 04:50 Peacock toilet paper :P 04:50 thefamilygrog66 I use leaves for making rope 04:50 VanessaE Peacock: it has...changed. the whackos got even more whacko. 04:50 Peacock must be the sun, Icarus and all :P 04:50 thefamilygrog66 I never met any wackos in New Orleans. 04:51 thefamilygrog66 Oh wait. 04:51 dumdidum VanessaE: don't burn long enough and i have electric furnaces ... 04:51 Peacock though increasingly the humidity up north in the summer has been reminding me of that lol 04:51 dumdidum ropes would be an idea ... but what to do with so much of them? ^^ 04:52 Peacock you know what looks cool though? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willemstad i'd like to visit that place 04:54 thefamilygrog66 dumdidum, I use them for climbing cliffs, etc. 04:54 VanessaE brb 04:54 thefamilygrog66 they're part of the moreblocks mod, however 04:58 dumdidum thefamilygrog66, for climbing i use what i have in that moment ... 04:58 thefamilygrog66 fair enough 04:58 dumdidum i could produce unprocessed plastic base :D 04:58 thefamilygrog66 yep 05:00 NekoGloop Our legion of nyancats... they shall blot out the sun! 05:01 VanessaE NekoGloop: forget the nyan cats. fix the damn kitten generator 05:01 VanessaE Oldcoder's and thefamilygrog66's kitten piles are drindling. 05:01 NekoGloop that's why i have so many nyan cats 05:01 VanessaE dwindling* 05:02 thefamilygrog66 I try to keep the kitty litter cleaned regularly 05:02 paramat okay i cant wait for proller, seems to be unavailable, if anyone wants to test my core floatlands fix in their next compile i would be very grateful :) 05:08 us^0gb paramat: I can run update_minetest (my update command) now. What am I looking for to test? 05:08 paramat hey cool ... 05:09 thefamilygrog66 getting sleepy - gonna crash now. night folks! 05:09 VanessaE night 05:09 us^0gb Good night! 05:09 ndjdjksisksk um hi 05:09 us^0gb Hello! 05:09 ndjdjksisksk um 05:09 VanessaE hi ndjdjksisksk 05:09 ndjdjksisksk lol 05:10 ndjdjksisksk i need to fix my username 05:10 paramat ... new code is here https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=117500#p117500 05:10 us^0gb /nick 05:10 ndjdjksisksk it's not working 05:11 paramat ... the existing floatland code is here https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/mapgen_indev.cpp#L347 05:11 us^0gb paramat: Okay, I guess my update command is no good here. Once that function is replaced, what am I looking for to test it? 05:11 paramat issue at github https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/989 05:13 paramat floatlands get larger towards world edges and towards y = 31000, so teleport to (30000 30000 30000) and check terrain is continuous over chunk boundaries 05:14 OldCoder Hey 05:14 OldCoder Sapier is long gone I assume 05:14 * OldCoder has hoped for 7 days to find him 05:14 OldCoder And nobody else knows what to do about a serialize sdata nil mobf error 05:14 OldCoder Oh, well 05:14 VanessaE he's in .de I think so expect him to return soon 05:15 VanessaE [11-08 18:03] * sapier has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 05:16 OldCoder VanessaE, I will be most pleased to speak with him as the worlds must rise again. So will kahrl pursue merge in the next week or two? 05:16 us^0gb paramat: Okay, I'm on it. 05:16 OldCoder us^0gb, Hi! 05:16 paramat :) 05:17 us^0gb Hello, OldCoder! 05:17 OldCoder o/ 05:17 VanessaE OldCoder: idk, ask kahrl :) 05:18 OldCoder VanessaE, But you are apparent his Merge Muse :P 05:18 Peacock this is soo my wife lol http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/30/article-0-16B0E7B6000005DC-397_964x655.jpg 05:18 VanessaE ha! 05:18 OldCoder You said you were encouraging the merge yourself 05:18 OldCoder I have tested the client side... time to get a merge on 05:22 Peacock shadowbot doesn't seem to like oldcoder lol 05:22 Peacock lol 05:22 Peacock nice 05:22 OldCoder WTF did the bot kick me for? 05:23 OldCoder I said like one thing! 05:23 OldCoder D: 05:23 Peacock beats me, you werent even flooding 05:23 OldCoder D: 05:23 OldCoder D: 05:23 OldCoder 05:23 OldCoder Yep 05:23 OldCoder We do need it 05:23 OldCoder ShadowNinja, I meant no harm by kicking the bot 05:23 OldCoder But for Pete's Sake a little fine tuning might help 05:23 Peacock every time anyone posts even 3 lines of code it kicks 05:23 OldCoder Peacock, last year was pretty bad 05:23 OldCoder We need a kickbot 05:23 Peacock all the bots royally sucks 05:23 OldCoder Nah 05:24 OldCoder But seriously I don't know why it kicked me 05:24 OldCoder 05:24 Peacock the forum bot is a PITA, the IRC bots are PITA lol 05:24 OldCoder That is like the 10th time 05:24 OldCoder The others were deserved 05:24 OldCoder This time... WTF 05:24 Peacock like serious-fucking-ly, i programmed better bots a decade ago lol 05:24 OldCoder Anyway ShadowNinja you have my apologies but fine tune it please 05:24 Peacock mine could log in to different websites and fetch info and stats 05:24 OldCoder Peacock, Be polite to the departed bot... It served a purpose... May it rest in pieces :P 05:25 OldCoder Yep 05:25 OldCoder Lots can do that now 05:25 OldCoder I should bring my own madmoo here sometime 05:25 Peacock yeah but a decade ago that used to be impressive :P 05:25 Peacock the bots today seemed half-assed 05:25 OldCoder Must aim higher now 05:25 us^0gb Cmake is throwing errors at me. It looks like I need to download a clean copy of Minetest. 05:25 OldCoder Some do calculus 05:25 Peacock *seem 05:25 OldCoder us^0gb, Fortunately not difficult 05:25 Peacock cmake doesn't like you, try dmake 05:26 us^0gb Not difficult, but requires more downloading. 05:26 OldCoder Yep 05:28 us^0gb I've been wrestling with some erroneus software all day today and all night yesterday. Forgive me if I'm a bit lazy now. 05:28 OldCoder Lazy is not crazy as you wend your way through the mazey 05:28 Peacock well that's trisquel, ubuntu-based, which is debian-based 05:28 Peacock try debian, or another root distro 05:28 Peacock slackware has a new version 05:28 OldCoder Yay 05:28 OldCoder <- Used Slackware for a decade 05:28 OldCoder But then I made my own 05:29 Peacock i may try slackware soon 05:29 OldCoder It is nice and friendly 05:29 OldCoder Heh 05:29 Peacock im neither satisfied with debian or arch 05:29 OldCoder Like a coiled rattlesnack 05:29 OldCoder Like a coiled rattlesnake * 05:29 us^0gb My errors had nothing to do with my main system, but with the systems I keep locked up in virtual machines. Trisquel is still ticking on as usual. 05:29 * OldCoder imagines that a snake for eating is a rattlesnack 05:30 Peacock Ouroboros? 05:31 Peacock though i dont like deriv of deriv of deriv distributions lol 05:32 OldCoder My distro is no derive 05:32 OldCoder My distro is no deriv * 05:32 OldCoder And Slackware is the OLDEST 05:32 OldCoder surviving distro 05:32 OldCoder All others are children to it 05:32 Peacock slackware/redhat/debian are some of the oldest 05:32 OldCoder Even Red Hat and Debian :-) 05:32 OldCoder Nah 05:32 OldCoder Slackware 05:32 OldCoder Is The First 05:32 Peacock so why dont you put it out there? 05:33 us^0gb I would prefer gNewSense, which is based on Debian directly, but it doesn't recognize my wireless card. Dragora, which is not based on anything, won't even install a working system. 05:33 OldCoder Linux Number One 05:33 OldCoder because I have my own distro to work on now Peacock 05:33 Peacock well yeah but if you dev your own distro, why not publish? 05:33 OldCoder Ah 05:33 Peacock people are dying for a decent working distro lol 05:33 OldCoder There is a story behind that. Far too dramatic for this channel. 05:34 OldCoder If we become acquainted, I will explain 05:34 OldCoder But thank you for the thought 05:34 OldCoder It is TL;DR and Off Topic times 80,000 05:34 OldCoder Seriously 05:34 Peacock if we could unite all the distros into 2 or 3 distinct distros/version, that'd be alot better than the 200 or 300 we have now lol 05:34 OldCoder Yes and no 05:34 OldCoder Distros rise and fall 05:35 Peacock because thats 295/300 that totally suck lol 05:35 OldCoder Based on merit, backing, other factros 05:35 OldCoder Most die 05:35 OldCoder The survivors evolve 05:35 OldCoder it is good 05:35 OldCoder 05:35 OldCoder Different strains arise 05:35 OldCoder Different purposes 05:35 Peacock like puppy? 05:35 OldCoder Yes 05:35 OldCoder Puppy is marvelous is it not? 05:35 OldCoder But it is NOT 05:35 Peacock puppy and slackware interest me 05:35 OldCoder a replacement for Windows 05:35 OldCoder Yes 05:35 OldCoder Slackware Dare 05:35 OldCoder Try it 05:35 OldCoder Slackware is frightening 05:35 Peacock well my P4 is having a harder and harder time running any of the latest distros 05:36 OldCoder Slackware Scare 05:36 OldCoder The Dare is to Slackware 05:36 us^0gb The work load is increased, as work must be duplicated for each distribution. So there would be advantages to a combination. Yet I doubt a combination will happen any time soon, especially down to a single-digit number of distributions. 05:36 OldCoder 05:36 OldCoder Here is an old Linux proverb Peacock 05:36 Peacock so long as the p4 still functions technically, i wanna use it for HEPC 05:36 OldCoder "When you learn Red Hat, you learn Red Hat. When you learn Slackware, you learn UNIX!" 05:36 Peacock ogb: well considering the duplication of effort, and the missing features/software of linux, i think it would definately help to combine efforts and reduce the number of distros 05:37 us^0gb It would have that advantage. It's also unlikely to happen though. 05:37 Peacock i think the biggest hurdle right now is devs rewriting parts of software that work, to the detriment of what's missing/never been done 05:38 us^0gb I wouldn't know about that, but it does sound like a problem. 05:38 Peacock well, alsa -> pulseaudio, alsa worked for most people, what they wanted was audio editing software on par with proprietary solutions 05:39 Peacock same with video editing 05:39 us^0gb So ... stuff we didn't have then? 05:39 Peacock linux could use a dictator lol 05:39 Peacock stuff we've never had yeah lol 05:39 us^0gb I thought you said it was a writing of stuff we already had. 05:40 us^0gb There's also the fact that we have fifty text editors. I see why we would need more than one, but we might have too many. 05:41 paramat 0gb, no problem if you can't test that code :) you should of course feel free to be lazy 05:41 us^0gb Take GIMP for example. How many good image editors do we have? To the best of my knowledge, only GIMP. And that's all we need. 05:42 Peacock I thought you said it was a writing of stuff we already had. 05:42 Peacock i meant that devs focus on reinventing what already works 05:42 us^0gb paramat: I just didn't want to download Minetest again or compile from scratch (as the patch would only require a partial compile on the old copy of Minetest). But I already downloaded and started the compiler. 05:43 us^0gb Did Alsa work for what people needed it to work for? 05:43 OldCoder Worked for me 05:44 us^0gb From Peacock's description, it sounds like Pulse filled a need some people had. Not everyone, but it was a new feature. 05:45 us^0gb It was before my time, I'm just going off what I hear here. 05:45 Peacock except for intel onboard audio, which is what, 70% of the computers they sell in stores? 05:46 us^0gb Is that for Windows then? 05:46 Peacock since pulse came out, it hasn't work properly on *any* of the computers i've bought, if it was just 1 i'd excuse it as an anomaly lol 05:47 Peacock 100% of computers sold here are windows in OS and drivers, i dont feel like building my own and having worked at UPS i dont trust them to deliver the parts intact :P 05:48 Peacock though it must make advocates' jobs difficult to convert people who already bought windows machine to use linux if shit like pulse won't work correctly with common audio hardware 05:48 us^0gb Yeah, but Windows isn't functional. If Intel Onboard Audio is for Windows, it doesn't help people who want working systems. 05:48 Peacock well this might sound naive, but you'll never convert people if linux doesn't work with the hardware they have :P 05:49 Peacock and intel onboard audio is pretty standard on all the shit i've bought lol 05:49 Warr1024 sudo apt-get remove pulse 05:49 Peacock thats what i did yeah lol 05:49 Peacock alsa worked fine before they fucked the pooch with pulseaudio 05:49 us^0gb I'm not defending Pulse, I'm simply saying Intel Onboard Audio doesn't sound like an option. 05:49 Warr1024 I need pulse for bluetooth audio when I want it, and I need ~pulse to get audio to work right in almost all other cases. 05:50 Peacock ogb what i'm explaining is that it's not an option, you cant go into a store and say "i want X computer, with Y audio", it's standard here 05:50 Warr1024 you can still buy add-in cards 05:50 Warr1024 the extra expense can be justified not just with better drivers, but often better quality in other areas too 05:50 Peacock i buy enough parts :P the p4 has practically had all its' parts swapped except for the mobo and casing lol 05:50 us^0gb You have to buy it, but then it gets wiped when you install the working system. So we need a replacement. 05:50 Warr1024 and of course a good advocate should have on hand a bunch of good working dumpster-dive parts to swap out :-) 05:51 Peacock yeah but try justifying the expense to average computer users :P 05:51 Warr1024 frankly I can't remember the last time I bought any kind of computer and the audio didn't work. Is this a recent thing? 05:51 Warr1024 Mostly I've had problems with network adapters and 3d accel. 05:51 Peacock only with pulseaudio 05:51 Peacock archbang doesn't use pulseaudio, but crunchbang does, thats why i bitch about it recently lol 05:52 Peacock wifi has actually been fine for me since about 08-09 05:52 Peacock before that it was hell even on oldschool ubuntu 05:52 Warr1024 I haven't actually had much trouble with pulse, on the output side; it's usually the input (i.e. application -> middleware) that I have most of the problems. 05:52 Warr1024 maybe because my pulse output driver is ALSA... 05:53 Peacock well if i needed bluetooth audio desperately enough id use pulse, but more important, i need to not hear popping/screaching sounds on my basic speakers lol 05:53 Warr1024 yeah, for a while I used to sudo apt-get install pulse and log out/in to use my bluetooth headset, then sudo apt-get remove it and relogin when I was done. 05:54 Peacock my last speaker system had tears in it, and im pretty sure thats' pulse lol ive changed speakers and gone with alsa and the whole setup looks 1001% 05:54 Warr1024 Partly I was too lazy to figure out how to actually properly disable/enable it on a per-user basis... 05:54 Peacock i learned the gnarly commands for that :P 05:54 Peacock still tedious though :P 05:54 Warr1024 I suspect that pulse is just a case of too damn much ambition. 05:55 Peacock i can respect their goals, but until it's ready for primetime, distros should have stuck with alsa 05:55 Warr1024 frankly, all an audio system really has to do is move a speaker coil into one of several thousand positions, and do this a few tens of thousands of times a second. It shouldn't really be THAT complicated. 05:55 Peacock people need working audio more than experimental features 05:56 Warr1024 but then everyone wants to do all this fancy mixing, and effect plugins, and networked audio (even though the standard(s) for networked video are all different and unrelated) 05:56 Peacock well alot of people tell me they like pulse because of per-app volume, though most of the audio apps i use have had their own volume bar since the 90s 05:56 Warr1024 yeah, that per-app volume thing seemed like a product whose market had already moved on by the time anyone had figured it out. 05:57 us^0gb Are dungeons able to generate this high up? 05:57 Warr1024 I like the idea of prioritized audio, i.e. have some apps "duck" others when they're making sound, but I don't think I've ever seen that done in a way that could be useful to me. 05:57 Peacock well, all the video and music players already have volume bars, whats important for the audio system at that point is to deliver the best audio possible 05:58 Warr1024 or just deliver OK audio, but with absolutely no crashing :-) 05:58 Peacock though pulse already said it's intels' fault that pulse sucks on intel onboard audio, so i have no reason to use them 05:58 Warr1024 isn't there an option to use ALSA or some sane abstraction layer as a back-end to pulse? 05:58 Peacock then why use pulse at all? 05:59 Warr1024 so you get all the fancy mixing bullshit, but in the end have the actual audio rendering done by something that actually works. 05:59 Peacock alsa has mixers lol 05:59 Warr1024 like if you're using some software that doesn't work well with alsa. 05:59 Warr1024 I've had an app or two that didn't like alsa on random occasions. 06:00 Peacock when shit stops working with alsa and requires pulse that doesnt' work well on any of my machines, thats when i'll consider windows lol 06:00 Peacock or buying a mac 06:00 Warr1024 I wouldn't worry 06:00 Warr1024 I rarely have issues myself. 06:00 Warr1024 most of my stuff uses ALSA when I bother to configure it 06:01 Warr1024 and I only have one app I can think of that likes Pulse better, and runs fine with Pulse piping into ALSA 06:01 Warr1024 I'm pretty sure the machine in question is 100% intel through and through. 06:01 Peacock vlc supports pulse, but nothing else i use prefers it 06:02 Peacock and like i said, archbang doesn't even default to pulse ol 06:02 Warr1024 I think Mumble has given me headaches on anything other than "Default Output Device [PulseAudio]" 06:02 Warr1024 though it's been a while, I may have to check 06:02 Peacock well im not a fan of voicechat lol 06:02 Warr1024 it's nice on private servers with a few friends. 06:02 Warr1024 i.e. the sort of people you might talk on the phone with anyway :-) 06:03 Peacock i hate talking on the phone lol 06:03 Warr1024 I actually don't like it either, but it's a question of bandwidth. 06:03 Peacock i prefer email/letter/txt 06:04 Peacock i get pissed off easily so i prefer the written form where i can think about what im saying lol 06:04 paramat oops laptop crashed 06:05 paramat i havent seen dungeons in floatlands 06:05 Warr1024 So I was thinking of trying to add in a lua api call like minetest.update_texture(filename) that would reload a texture server-side, update the cache, and announce it to all clients for immediate download... anyone tried anything like that before? 06:07 Warr1024 The idea is that I could do something like a skins mod that doesn't require restarting the server to change a player skin. Might be useful for other stuff too, assuming that the texture isn't updated *too* frequently... 06:10 paramat water column vertical transport in core floatlands http://i.imgur.com/N1tlVNV.png 06:11 VanessaE wow, that's a long way down... O.O 06:14 us^0gb paramat: I'm seeing some odities, such as stone-without-dirt isles, but I'm not seeing anything that looks like chunk boundaries. 06:14 Warr1024 is this the new v7 mapgen? 06:15 Warr1024 how close is that thing to primetime? 06:15 us^0gb No, indev. 06:15 Warr1024 what's the diff? indev > v7? 06:15 us^0gb Last I knew, v7 was still not close to done. 06:15 us^0gb Indev is based on v6, not v7. 06:16 Warr1024 ah, ok, so they're independent forks? 06:16 us^0gb It's the same as v6, but with larger caves & biomes and floating isles. 06:16 us^0gb Yeah, they're independent. 06:16 Warr1024 it's all confusing. 06:16 Warr1024 like the sqlite vs. leveldb thing 06:17 Warr1024 it seems like leveldb is superior, but there are a few hoops to jump through to get it enabled... 06:17 us^0gb LevelDB seems better, yes. The hoops will vanish. There wwere hoops to jump through to enable the server list originally as well. 06:18 OldCoder LevelDB is friendly and good to see 06:18 OldCoder LevelDB is kind to you and me 06:18 OldCoder LevelDB is easy as one two three 06:18 OldCoder 06:18 us^0gb paramat: I'm seeing random columns of dirt. 06:19 paramat 0gb, wow thanks, the stone without dirt appears in 'desert' biome areas 06:19 us^0gb OldCoder: If only it were that easy for PowerPC .... 06:19 paramat the random columns of dirt are a not-uncommon bug 06:20 paramat ... they were there before, so that sounds good =) 06:20 OldCoder ah well 06:20 us^0gb Okay, cool. 06:20 us^0gb Both on the ground and in the air, or just in the air? 06:21 paramat well personally i rarely the see those columns at ground level, more often in floatlands 06:21 Warr1024 so will the default mapgen be changing any time soon? 06:22 paramat and more often in my own lua mapgen 06:22 Warr1024 or will we need to wait a good long while for one of the contenders to come out on top? 06:22 paramat v7 will be the one when its done 06:22 us^0gb Default mapgen is no longer an issue. THere is a mapgen selector that defaults to the last one you used. 06:23 Warr1024 oh, this is a singleplayer thing? 06:24 us^0gb It's in single player, but also on servers. 06:24 paramat here's my 'uniflat' that hunts down crazy terrain in mapgen v7 and flattens it http://i.imgur.com/JSjwKFJ.png 06:25 Warr1024 I just figured I shouldn't try changing the mapgen to anything other than the default unless I REALLY knew what I was doing :-/ 06:25 Warr1024 or was willing to scrap the world if my experiments went badly. 06:26 paramat another example that has left a floating rock above the flat area http://i.imgur.com/tlNkdHX.png 06:26 us^0gb v6 and indev are both fine. Singlenode is best for use with certain games. The others are pretty useless for normal play right now. 06:27 us^0gb paramat: I can't really tell what's going on. Does it try to kill mountains or something? 06:27 Warr1024 normal play as in minetest_game or similar? 06:27 us^0gb Warr1024: Yes. 06:27 paramat 0gb yeah lol 06:27 us^0gb Indev is more interesting, v6 in more normal. 06:28 paramat here's another angle on that last area http://i.imgur.com/h5g8RsB.png 06:29 Warr1024 I'm trying to add some interesting gameplay stuff, but I keep running into all these "wouldn't it be cool if"'s that run me up against engine limitations. 06:29 us^0gb THis is v7, right? Did you add the dirt and sand when flattening, or is that now in v7? 06:30 us^0gb Warr1024: I know what you mean. 06:33 paramat 0gb, yeah v7 and i added those materials 06:34 us^0gb Does anyone here know an IRC robot I can bounce text off of? I basically just need to be able to tell it ti tell me specific things. 06:44 hmmmm [01:24 AM] here's my 'uniflat' that hunts down crazy terrain in mapgen v7 and flattens it http://i.imgur.com/JSjwKFJ.png 06:44 paramat i wasnt expecting that floatland code to work first time. so now i'll have to get hold of a core dev or 2 and convince them to merge it for 0.4.8. thanks for the help 0gb 06:44 hmmmm paramat, if you don't like crazy terrain, why don't you just fiddle with the mapgen parameters? 06:44 paramat lol 06:44 hmmmm paramat, we're in a feature freeze but your thing is more or less a bugfix so we'd merge it no problem 06:45 paramat good i want a feature freeze 06:45 us^0gb It's started already? Great, I'm running out of time then. 06:45 hmmmm 0.4.8 happens on Wednesday 06:45 * us^0gb groans 06:46 hmmmm it's about time, right? 06:46 paramat right 06:46 us^0gb Maybe, bad timing for me though. 06:47 paramat only thing is i cant do the actual github pull request for this floatland code (sorry github newbie) 06:50 paramat oh ... the uniflat mod isnt for getting rid of crazy terrain, i like those mad mountains of 0.4.7stable v7, they make excellent cliffs for the flat area 06:51 hmmmm I was trying to get v6-like cliffs in some areas on v7 06:51 VanessaE I'd love to see v5 overhangs brought back :) 06:52 VanessaE those were epic. 06:52 hmmmm I really don't like how each mapgen has their own characteristics 06:52 hmmmm what would be really cool if different regions could have bits of each 06:52 paramat hmm'm i read your code for old and new v7 and got my head around it, mostly 06:52 hmmmm so I'm thinking 06:52 hmmmm what if we generate different regions of the same map with different mapgens 06:52 hmmmm along boundaries between these regions, we interpolate them together somehow 06:53 VanessaE why not? as long as you use water to blend them 06:53 VanessaE or do that 06:53 paramat v5 was 3D perlin noise i think, apparently it is very processing intensive 06:53 hmmmm lol that's gonna be tougher said than done 06:53 VanessaE interpolating between neighboring blocks is gonna be messy though 06:53 hmmmm paramat, 3d noise is extremely fast anymore 06:53 hmmmm I was waiting for celeron to reimplement it but he never did 06:53 paramat nice idea hmmm'm, about the differing mapgens 06:54 hmmmm yeah but we don't need more idea guys, we need guys to actually make it happen 06:54 paramat heheh 06:54 hmmmm like I said.... it's way easier said than done 06:56 paramat in exploring 0.4.7stable v7, although it had it's problems, the perlin noise modulated by another sometimes produced the most amazing forms, and i love the 'ridges' carved through everything 06:56 hmmmm it's carp 06:56 hmmmm crap* 06:56 paramat its fish 06:56 hmmmm lol 06:59 hmmmm see I'm not really satisfied with v7 at all 07:00 hmmmm even though it's technically "nice" 07:00 hmmmm some of it just requires fiddling, some of the parameters need fiddling as well, and then there are some parts that I can't figure out how to do 07:01 hmmmm one of the things I can't figure out is the biomes 07:01 paramat in my lua mapgens i had problems with terrain crossing vertical chunk boundaries 07:01 hmmmm the way Minecraft does biomes is that it just has two inputs, temperature and humidity, and from that it selects a biome which has an average height 07:02 hmmmm first, I don't like how a biome has influence over the terrain shape, but that's really the only way to do it correctly 07:02 hmmmm second, even if I wanted to do it that way, I couldn't make the terrain blend in properly 07:03 hmmmm see I tried this with the very first v7 prototype and as you can predict, there were lots of sharp ridges of discontinuous terrain between biome boundaries 07:03 Warr1024 I don't think minecraft has really done the temperature/humidity biome thing in a long time. 07:03 paramat i saw you mention voronoi diagrams for temp / humidity space 07:03 VanessaE well to be fair, 07:03 hmmmm minecraft interpolates terrain a whole lot so it solves that problem, and it also makes the top of ridges nice and flat which is also nice 07:04 hmmmm I don't interpolate raw terrain points, I only interpolate noise 07:04 VanessaE terrain has little to no real relationship to humidity and temp, short of high elevations generally being colder, or watery areas generally being higher humidity 07:04 hmmmm well 07:04 hmmmm I disagree, it does have an indirect relationship 07:04 hmmmm cloud shadows 07:04 VanessaE ? 07:05 hmmmm err 07:05 VanessaE I mean the underlying terrain (dirt/rock) under things like snow-capped mountains or tree-laden forests 07:05 VanessaE oh you mean the leeward side of a mountain? sure 07:05 VanessaE but we aren't modeling the American midwest here ;) 07:05 VanessaE (I think it's called a rain shadow) 07:05 hmmmm that's not what it's called, I forget what it's called 07:05 hmmmm rain shadow, probably 07:07 Warr1024 if your ambition is to make something THAT realistic, then it's no surprise that v7 has been a long time in the making. 07:07 VanessaE but anyway, I'm saying to mathematically generate the land, but change *what* you place based on whatever factors you want for the biome, not too different from what's done now. 07:07 VanessaE but with far more variation than we see now 07:07 paramat in my recent lua mapgens i reduce temp and humidity with altitude, so the terrain chooses the biome 07:07 VanessaE something like what paramat's mod does 07:08 VanessaE in fact I'd venture a guess that his method is exactly what's needed, but of course implemented in C++ 07:08 VanessaE v7 was supposed to be able to do that, no? 07:10 hmmmm well 07:10 hmmmm I think so yeah 07:10 hmmmm in a more indirect fashion 07:10 paramat V, not sure if anything ive done is any solution for v7 *^_^* 07:11 paramat interpolating terrain is what my flatten mods do, but i have probably misunderstood your problem 07:12 paramat V, which mod are you referring to? 07:13 VanessaE um 07:13 VanessaE I can't remember the name now :) 07:13 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7366 07:13 VanessaE this one 07:13 paramat ah yeah 07:14 VanessaE I think that mod is a good approach at least to the biomes; 07:14 VanessaE the terrain is a different story, but once you have the terrain, the biomes should be able to just it right over it 07:14 paramat the temp / humidity spaces are 3D, snow biomes become more common on higher ground 07:15 VanessaE I mean, maybe you have a trench here, a river there, an 1km high mountain off that way, but what they're made *of* and what grows on them need not depend on anything but temperature, humidity, and elevation. 07:15 VanessaE s/an/a/ 07:16 VanessaE (and of course a "this land is fertile" perlin layetr) 07:16 VanessaE (layer*) 07:16 paramat fertility perlin =) 07:16 VanessaE yep :) 07:16 VanessaE (as in plants_lib, of course ;) ) 07:16 VanessaE but seriously. 07:17 VanessaE decide what to make the land out of and what to put on it based on temp/humidity/elevation[/fertility], but generate the actual underlying terrain's shape independently 07:18 paramat so i can see now is the time for me to start learning c++, github, fork and pulling, compiling etc i just noticed i have been at the forums just over a year 07:22 paramat so biome choosing the terrain seems backwards to me, terrain determines biome through altitude 07:23 paramat my temp and humidity spaces are 2D noise in x and z, plus a linear reduction with altitude 07:24 VanessaE that's how I do it also 07:25 VanessaE (2d noise that is) 07:25 VanessaE I don't account for elevation directly in the temperature model thoguh 07:25 VanessaE I check it separately. 07:27 VanessaE I probably should though, come to think of it. 07:27 VanessaE what parameters/model are you using? 07:28 paramat hm? temp and humidity? 07:28 VanessaE I use the original snow biomes settings for the temperature, the in-game settings that generate the deserts as my humidity control, fertility is just made up 07:29 paramat ah i see 07:29 paramat the snow biomes mod temp perlin has far too small a spread, 150 nodes 07:29 VanessaE yeah, but I kept it because it was the standard :) 07:29 VanessaE I wanted to remain compatible 07:30 proller paramat, you can use getHeat / getHumidity 07:30 paramat im using 500 nodes for temp and humidity, since the interaction tends to produce detail on half that scale 07:30 OldCoder I may sleep soon. If Sapier comes passing along sdata nil serialize issue would be appreciated 07:30 paramat hi proller :) yeah im looking forward to using that 07:31 VanessaE OldCoder: try to hold out a bit longer :) 07:31 VanessaE OldCoder: your kitten pile is dwindling because ^^^^^ he won't fix the kitten generator 07:34 OldCoder Are the kittens ok 07:34 OldCoder I do not wish them turned into rugs and such 07:37 VanessaE naw, the remaining kittens are fine :) 07:37 VanessaE but they're getting lonely, need more of 'em :) 07:38 paramat okay its late here in the UK, im off :P 07:46 OldCoder Glad 07:46 OldCoder Zzz 08:13 VanessaE Ioff to bed too 08:13 VanessaE I'm off to bed too, rather. 08:13 VanessaE night all 08:29 GNADev|zRokh hey doods 08:34 hoodedice Anyone? 08:35 kaeza no 08:35 hoodedice debug.txt does not list every thing as in the console 08:35 hoodedice It misses some outputs out 08:35 kaeza debug_log_level = 4 08:35 hoodedice minetest.conf? 08:35 kaeza yep 08:36 hoodedice cool. Thanks 08:37 hoodedice Wow. It did note a lot now 08:37 hoodedice What is 'VERBOSE'? 08:39 hoodedice "irrlicht doesn't support removing renderers" 08:39 hoodedice ? 08:43 hoodedice kaeza 08:43 hoodedice While the new log level is highly detailed 08:43 hoodedice I cant find what I need 08:44 hoodedice It goes like "ERROR: generate shader blah blah' 08:44 kaeza well, you could start by telling what are you trying to do 08:44 hoodedice Found it 08:44 hoodedice Trying to work out RBA's GSL shaders on intel crapware 08:47 kaeza no idea about that, sorry 08:47 hoodedice This error line : Unary operation not folded into constant; is not showing up in the debug 08:47 hoodedice .txt 08:48 hoodedice Damn the Windows terminal emulator 08:48 hoodedice (aka cmd) 08:48 hoodedice IT IS SO GOD DAMN PRIMITIVE!! 08:51 hoodedice "done" https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=117522#p117522 08:51 hoodedice Thank you, kaeza 08:51 GNADev|zRokh who likes 2D Top-Down Survival games? 08:51 kaeza np... for what? :P 08:52 hoodedice Sup, GNADev|zRokh 08:52 hoodedice Thanks for... hmm... Even I dunno XD 08:52 GNADev|zRokh nothing much, developing a 2D top-down survival game... 08:53 hoodedice Python? 08:54 GNADev|zRokh Java :P 08:54 kaeza lol 08:54 GNADev|zRokh and im thinking about cross-platform multiplayer 08:54 GNADev|zRokh like NDS and PC can do multiplayer together etc... 08:55 GNADev|zRokh NDS version will be made after the beta is done for the PC 08:55 hoodedice NDS? 08:56 hoodedice nintedo 08:56 hoodedice lol 08:56 GNADev|zRokh yes 08:56 GNADev|zRokh Nintendo DS 08:56 GNADev|zRokh :P 08:56 hoodedice y u no android 08:56 hoodedice java after all 08:56 GNADev|zRokh android will be for sure 08:56 GNADev|zRokh and also iSoftware 08:56 hoodedice check out Zombie HQ by Rebellion on android 08:56 hoodedice icrap? meh 08:57 GNADev|zRokh thats just for the ones using istuff 08:57 hoodedice ZHQ is like, 2.5D but gameplay is nice... 08:57 GNADev|zRokh well Xorima will also be like 2.5D... here, have a screenie :D http://imgur.com/NBmWyr1 08:58 hoodedice That's 2D not 2.5 08:58 hoodedice Zelda-ish though 08:58 GNADev|zRokh exactly :D 08:59 GNADev|zRokh wanna try out the shitty-pre-pre-pre alpha? 09:00 hoodedice sure 09:00 hoodedice I think I have the JDK... 09:00 GNADev|zRokh then wait... let me compile it... 09:00 hoodedice Yeah, I do 09:00 hoodedice Wincrap 09:00 GNADev|zRokh btw, i think it uses JRE6... :D 09:00 GNADev|zRokh i use Linux :D 09:00 GNADev|zRokh but a shitty distro 09:00 hoodedice I used to 09:00 GNADev|zRokh Trisquel-mini 09:00 hoodedice use Xubuntu 09:02 hoodedice ima play swat4 now 09:02 hoodedice brb 09:04 GNADev|zRokh dood, its ready... 09:05 Peacock http://youtu.be/nv5fYWy3H9Q 09:05 kaeza lol Peacock 09:06 GNADev|zRokh http://gnadev.hj.cx/xorima 09:06 GNADev|zRokh the password is prealpha 09:08 GNADev|zRokh the game does not yet have a pause screen 09:08 GNADev|zRokh but it does have a functioning menu screen (except for the Options button, because i need to make them first :P) 09:08 GNADev|zRokh exept* 09:10 GNADev|zRokh minimum input requirments: Keyboard 09:10 GNADev|zRokh :D 09:12 kaeza well at least it's something 09:12 * kaeza died in lava ;_; 09:13 GNADev|zRokh lol :D 09:13 GNADev|zRokh i know :D 09:13 GNADev|zRokh its actually my school project :D 09:13 GNADev|zRokh need to finish a good part of it before that season that comes after winter... #BrainGlitch 09:14 GNADev|zRokh kaeza, what do you think? 09:14 GNADev|zRokh there will also soon be an XP bar :P 09:14 kaeza has potential 09:14 GNADev|zRokh yay :D 09:15 GNADev|zRokh what if i told you that every friend that i have will get a key for the game when it hits beta and goes on Desura... 09:15 GNADev|zRokh the price will be $1.5 09:15 GNADev|zRokh :P 09:16 GNADev|zRokh including you :D 09:17 kaeza awww ♥ 09:17 GNADev|zRokh dood O.O 09:17 GNADev|zRokh stop being a pussy and man up! 09:17 GNADev|zRokh NEVER give another man a heart! 09:17 GNADev|zRokh :D 09:17 kaeza ◉︵◉ 09:17 GNADev|zRokh :D 09:18 GNADev|zRokh and also, i think that every month 3 people that share and like the facebook page will get a chance to win a key :P 09:18 GNADev|zRokh i think that would be good 09:18 GNADev|zRokh :P 09:20 kaeza I think you could get more support (and attract more devs) if you opensource it 09:20 kaeza does not mean you can't sell it 09:21 GNADev|zRokh i wont opensource it yet.... i will when we hit 1 000 000 copies sold 09:21 GNADev|zRokh :P 09:21 kaeza oh and no GPL pls 09:21 GNADev|zRokh i know 09:21 GNADev|zRokh GNU Public License... xD 09:22 kaeza BSD ♥ 09:23 Tux[Qyou] BSOD 3< 09:23 GNADev|zRokh <3 maybe? 09:23 GNADev|zRokh not 3< 09:23 kaeza BDSM <4 09:23 * kaeza runs 09:23 GNADev|zRokh hey Tux[Qyou], wanna try out the pre-pre-pre-alpha of Xorima? 09:24 Tux[Qyou] wat 09:25 hoodedice evil closed source project? 09:25 GNADev|zRokh pretty much... 09:25 hoodedice http://nooooooooooooooo.com/ 09:25 GNADev|zRokh but its closed-source only for a temporary time 09:26 kaeza 1000000 copies is a bit ambitious :P 09:30 hoodedice Too ambitious 09:30 GNADev|zRokh without ambition nobody will be successful 09:30 hoodedice It makes me remember 09:30 GNADev|zRokh kaeza, tell Tux[Qyou] that Xorima is safe 09:31 hoodedice Minecraft... "It will be open -sourced when no one wants it anymore" 09:32 GNADev|zRokh i know 09:32 kaeza no u 09:32 GNADev|zRokh but a wise man once told me (Zeg9) "Do it like id software did it; when the game hits enought copies, make it free, maybe open source" 09:32 hoodedice wow, it works, #Xorima 09:32 hoodedice teating now 09:33 GNADev|zRokh teating? 09:33 kaeza teating! 09:33 hoodedice testing -.- 09:33 hoodedice What are the buttons? 09:33 GNADev|zRokh WASD, SPACE 09:34 hoodedice Can't 'run' be switched off? 09:34 GNADev|zRokh run? 09:34 GNADev|zRokh you can't run :D 09:34 hoodedice yellow bar thingy 09:34 hoodedice Press space to respawn? 09:35 GNADev|zRokh yes 09:35 GNADev|zRokh :P 09:35 hoodedice Doesnt work 09:35 GNADev|zRokh yellow = energy, red = health 09:35 GNADev|zRokh rlly? 09:35 GNADev|zRokh hmm... 09:35 GNADev|zRokh then escape... 09:35 GNADev|zRokh wait there 09:36 hoodedice esc works 09:36 GNADev|zRokh yep, bug detected... 09:36 GNADev|zRokh :D 09:36 GNADev|zRokh i thought i changed it to space, but didnt... 09:36 hoodedice looks good 09:36 GNADev|zRokh thanks :P 09:37 hoodedice Though it's still ver 0.0.0.0.0.1 09:37 hoodedice XD 09:37 GNADev|zRokh i know :D 09:37 * GNADev|zRokh is using Eclipse Kepler for the first time in his life 09:37 hoodedice Eclipse is... nice 09:37 GNADev|zRokh i know :D 09:38 hoodedice But again, I haven't really used anything else 09:38 GNADev|zRokh its a all-in-one IDE :D 09:38 hoodedice hmm 09:38 GNADev|zRokh Java, PHP, HTML, C, C++ etc 09:38 hoodedice Can I see the source for now? 09:39 kaeza eclipse? that bloated piece of shi^Wsoftware? 09:39 kaeza use jEdit :P 09:39 hoodedice Trust kaeza to tell that 09:39 hoodedice XD 09:40 GNADev|zRokh ok, hoodedice, but only with the current version! 09:40 Ritchie i like to write code in kate :) 09:40 GNADev|zRokh and later 09:40 GNADev|zRokh kate? 09:40 Ritchie text editor from KDE 09:40 hoodedice yeah 09:40 hoodedice I like to code in.... 09:40 hoodedice Leafpad XDXDXDXD 09:40 Ritchie :D 09:41 kaeza cat anyone? 09:41 hoodedice Sure 09:42 kaeza oh right... Windows 09:42 kaeza you may want to use COPY CON Main.java :P 09:42 hoodedice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J---aiyznGQ 09:42 * Ritchie slaps Windows with a stick and runs away 09:43 hoodedice >Windows cracks 09:43 GNADev|zRokh hoodedice, i heard you have a cracked windows... can i has? 09:43 GNADev|zRokh :D 09:43 GNADev|zRokh #hoodediceIsAPirate 09:43 hoodedice I have 20 ays left... 09:43 hoodedice *days 09:44 GNADev|zRokh lol :D 09:44 hoodedice After obliterating Xubuntu from my PC 09:44 hoodedice And Kaspersky 09:44 hoodedice I had to repair install twice 09:44 hoodedice Then found out 09:44 GNADev|zRokh hood, you use Windows right.... then with what do you open the jar file with... javaw.exe doesnt work... 09:45 hoodedice I have the Android SDK and JDK 09:45 hoodedice So it opens 09:45 hoodedice So... Then found out 09:45 hoodedice My 'legit' key wasn't so... 09:45 GNADev|zRokh ok... because Tux needs help,and i needs help 09:45 hoodedice err, 'legit' 09:45 Tux[Qyou] kinda 09:45 GNADev|zRokh :D 09:45 hoodedice 20 days of PC use, and then restricted to an ubuntu live cd lol 09:46 * kaeza pokes hoodedice with ReactOS 09:46 Ritchie hoodedice: why doesn't you use linux? 09:46 hoodedice I do like ubuntu 09:46 hoodedice But ease of use for the rest of em 09:46 hoodedice AND GAMES!!! 09:46 hoodedice (lol) 09:47 hoodedice em = family 09:47 Ritchie i don't like ubuntu, i like debian 09:48 Ritchie with trinity desktop 09:48 Ritchie ubuntu - spyware 09:48 Ritchie https://fixubuntu.com/ 09:48 hoodedice xubuntu 09:48 hoodedice -.- 09:48 hoodedice happy? 09:49 Ritchie btw - https://micahflee.com/2013/11/canonical-shouldnt-abuse-trademark-law-to-silence-critics-of-its-privacy-decisions/ 09:49 hoodedice What ubuntu did is what most corps do 09:49 hoodedice Nothing new 09:50 hoodedice Just a huge hullabaloo because it is supposed to be open source? 09:50 Ritchie hoodedice: i use kubuntu but there are some things why i doesn't like it 09:50 hoodedice you *doesn't* like it... 09:50 hoodedice I see nothing wrong in what Canonical did with Lee 09:54 Ritchie i had second hdd mounted to /media/Data, then someday was *surprise* and then my symlinks to that disk didn't work because somebody decided to change mount point to /media//Data and i had to find what went wrong if my symlinks didn't work 09:55 Ritchie because this behavior changed after some update 09:55 hoodedice 13.10 I guess 09:55 hoodedice Nah 09:55 hoodedice I don't remeber 10:00 GNADev|zRokh kaeza, you use linux? 10:01 kaeza yes, why? 10:01 GNADev|zRokh you know that button (on Gnome) at the top-left corner where you can see all the categories of programs? 10:01 GNADev|zRokh how do i add a program to there? 10:01 kaeza use a menu editor 10:02 kaeza if you mean for your game, look at the desktop file specification somewhere 10:02 GNADev|zRokh hey, is there like a folder for each category? 10:02 GNADev|zRokh i saw something like that somewhere 10:02 kaeza not really 10:03 GNADev|zRokh ok... 10:03 kaeza Wndows organizes the start menu as folders though 10:03 kaeza +i 10:03 Ritchie GNADev|zRokh: do a right click on that button, menu editor should be in ight click menu 10:03 Ritchie s/ight/right 10:06 GNADev|zRokh but arent 10:06 GNADev|zRokh i can only change the icon 10:09 GNADev|zRokh ok, done :D 10:09 GNADev|zRokh thanks 10:09 GNADev|zRokh kaeza, pop quiz: whats MyLyn? 10:09 kaeza huh? 10:09 kaeza !g mylyn 10:09 MinetestBot kaeza: http://www.eclipse.org/mylyn/ 10:10 kaeza Eclipse :/ 10:11 GNADev|zRokh Kaeza :/ 10:11 GNADev|zRokh L:D 10:11 kaeza hi john_minetest 10:11 hoodedice hey 10:12 GNADev|zRokh hi john 10:12 GNADev|zRokh hey, could you please give some feedback on my game? 10:12 GNADev|zRokh http://gnadev.hj.cx/xorima the password is prealpha 10:12 GNADev|zRokh :P 10:12 GNADev|zRokh kaeza (and i think that hoodedice) tried it already :D 10:13 hoodedice I did 10:13 GNADev|zRokh great :D 10:13 kaeza [07:53:26] * DeutscheDoge2@VE-S (DeutscheDoge2@VE-Survival) has joined 10:13 hoodedice Lots of stuff yet to do, so it wasn't a serious test 10:13 kaeza wow so player, very miner, wow 10:13 GNADev|zRokh yeah... but doods, you can suggest features and stuff :P 10:14 kaeza GNADev|zRokh, I did 10:14 GNADev|zRokh play it? i know you did :D 10:14 kaeza [07:20:48] I think you could get more support (and attract more devs) if you opensource it 10:14 GNADev|zRokh oh, and you also suggested that i got more devs :D 10:14 GNADev|zRokh im thinking about it... probably i will 10:14 hoodedice suggestion1 - Remove the damn yellow bar thingy 10:14 GNADev|zRokh or make the regen faster? 10:15 hoodedice Make the spending slower 10:15 GNADev|zRokh oh ok... 10:15 hoodedice Or put a 'walk' mode 10:15 GNADev|zRokh the energy is currently a double and walking takes away 0.01... 10:15 GNADev|zRokh ok 10:15 GNADev|zRokh i will :D 10:15 hoodedice =) 10:15 hoodedice Feat. request 1. GUNS!!! 10:15 hoodedice XD 10:15 GNADev|zRokh nah dood, swords and zombies! 10:15 GNADev|zRokh maybe guns 10:16 hoodedice Party? 10:16 GNADev|zRokh but then guns wont be craftable, they will be super rare :D 10:16 GNADev|zRokh party? what do you mean? 10:16 GNADev|zRokh found from chests :D 10:16 hoodedice AI which help the player? 10:16 GNADev|zRokh oh.... maybe :D 10:16 GNADev|zRokh because i am working on the zombies.... so when i get them to work, then 10:17 GNADev|zRokh i dont have any ideas on how to make the zombies move to the direction of the player if (s)he is near 10:17 GNADev|zRokh but if you know java you could join :D 10:17 hoodedice I dunno anything 10:17 GNADev|zRokh ok... :D 10:17 hoodedice Draw a vector to the player and trace it 10:17 GNADev|zRokh aaanywayyysss... bye for now 10:17 GNADev|zRokh oh... :D 10:17 GNADev|zRokh ok :D 10:18 GNADev|zRokh but later doods 10:18 GNADev|zRokh gonna work outside... 10:18 GNADev|zRokh need woods 10:29 reactor Hello, I am a computer program. 10:52 reactor OldCoder: I have an idea. 10:54 reactor OldCoder: what if I do the pre-catastrophe version of the city instead? 11:32 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 11:32 reactor o/ PilzAdam. 11:38 Peacock simultaneously had dinner while the wife had breakfast XD jet lag without the jet :P 11:53 Megaf folks, is there a way to trace down the cause of these crashes? I will crash and in each crashes it "says" about a different mod, http://paste.debian.net/64802/ 11:53 Megaf always pointing this (a nil value) 11:54 kaeza Megaf, there's a pull request to fix that 11:55 Megaf kaeza, so that's actually a bug and there is nothing I can do to fix that 11:55 Megaf ok, good to know there's people working on it, thanks 11:55 kaeza Megaf, I'm waiting for a core dev to merge it 11:55 kaeza https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/217 11:57 Megaf kaeza, I had a similar crash but then related to VanessaE's mod moretrees and so with VanessaE's homedecor and so with the node_ownership mod, always the same nil value, do you think it's all related to this "default" bug? 12:29 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix crash updating gametype without game 7bd30b59ee 2013-11-09T04:30:44-08:00 http://git.io/FDsz1Q 12:58 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix game buttons not beeing 48x48 b6bb3ffec4 2013-11-09T04:58:57-08:00 http://git.io/pdKPzw 13:18 OldCoder Hi 13:18 OldCoder Did I miss Sapier again? 13:20 reactor OldCoder:? 13:20 OldCoder reactor:? 13:20 reactor o/ 13:20 OldCoder o/ back 13:20 reactor I have an idea, but I'm not sure if it's better. 13:20 OldCoder Why not share it? 13:21 reactor Pripyat before the shit. 13:21 reactor But it's more likely not better from the finding an application for it. 13:22 OldCoder Application? 13:22 OldCoder Do you mean the purpose of a world? 13:23 reactor Yes. 13:23 reactor And I have one more idea, might be better. 13:23 reactor Pripyat as of mid-90s. 13:24 reactor When some buildings were still alive. 13:24 reactor And do personnel vs robbers. 13:25 reactor As in, robbers come from the abandoned surroundings, and the buildings' personnel protect valuable property there. 13:26 reactor Not sure if better than plain deathmatch in fully abandoned place, though. 13:26 reactor But it would be more interesting from the modeling point of view, as in, model some buildings in their original state. 13:30 MinetestBot GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Add BlockMen to core dev list 0aeecf3f7f 2013-11-09T05:28:00-08:00 http://git.io/0bBbbQ 13:31 PilzAdam sfan5, MinetestBot should post these commit messages only in #minetest 13:35 OldCoder john_minetest, No 13:35 OldCoder john_minetest, SQLite3 and MySQL can be used but LevelDB is an alternative 13:35 kahrl PilzAdam, why? 13:36 OldCoder reactor, that sounds interesting 13:36 OldCoder kahrl, will you consider merging httpfetch soon? 13:36 reactor OldCoder: maybe you have an idea how to apply it? 13:36 OldCoder Does anybody know when Sapier may be here? 13:36 OldCoder Reviewing further 13:36 kahrl OldCoder: it's up to the other devs 13:36 PilzAdam kahrl, MinetestBot gets kicked from other channels because its considered spam there 13:37 OldCoder reactor, I am not certain of what the question means 13:37 reactor The map, I mean. 13:37 reactor I'm kind of out of ideas 13:37 kahrl huh 13:37 kahrl like #minetest-de? 13:37 OldCoder kahrl, very well; to be clear, if I use httpfetch, it is client only patch; is this correct? 13:37 kahrl OldCoder: correct 13:37 OldCoder reactor, the map is good; shall we finish the details? 13:37 reactor OldCoder: I'm asking about what to do with it. 13:38 kahrl OldCoder: well, technically it adds lua api calls on the server side but I don't think you meant those 13:38 OldCoder kahrl, thank you. Difficult decision. I have the patch but if people without patched clients come the game is broken 13:38 kahrl OldCoder: those lua api calls aren't related to media download though 13:38 OldCoder reactor, you mean; whether creative or fighting?> 13:38 OldCoder kahrl, yes; I meant download speed 13:38 reactor OldCoder: kind of. 13:38 reactor OldCoder: idk. 13:38 PilzAdam kahrl, no, like ##minebest 13:38 kahrl ah 13:38 OldCoder kahrl, I can apply the patch but 80% of my visitors will be missing some textures 13:39 OldCoder reactor, why not wait and see. Invite people to visit and comment. 13:39 OldCoder reactor, Let us refine the world. 13:39 kahrl I like the messages in #minetest-de because it's a lot easier to see them all there because there's a lot less noise 13:39 reactor OldCoder: just building/surviving there would be not much different from many-many other maps, among which are maps that are a lot better for that 13:39 OldCoder There is time to decide. 13:39 OldCoder reactor, but it is an interesting world. Can be creative or fighting either. 13:39 reactor OldCoder: okay then. I get it we need to develop the map itself for a while. 13:39 OldCoder reactor, Not much work is needed. Coming along nicely. 13:40 reactor Where do I find people who could be interested in modeling buildings, too? 13:40 OldCoder reactor, I assume here 13:40 OldCoder And on forums 13:40 OldCoder kahrl, encourage people to help you merge as the decision is difficult. I wish to use your patch. But most people will have their own clients. And the clients will not get all the textures without the patch. 13:40 sfan5 PilzAdam: I haven't seen any channel where that is considered spam 13:40 reactor Oh well. I'm not very convincing. I don't know. 13:40 OldCoder reactor, it will be fine 13:41 PilzAdam sfan5, ##minebest 13:44 reactor Besides, I don't have enough time/motivation to develop it myself. What I'm looking for is someone to pass the work on to, so that I can gradually stop maintaining it, but not be afraid what has already been done will be lost. 13:46 OldCoder reactor, Heh 13:46 OldCoder reactor, relax and take this one step at a time 13:47 OldCoder The world is just born 13:47 OldCoder It is too soon to plan for its old age :-) 13:47 reactor Well, I mean, eh. 13:47 OldCoder reactor, for now; just decide what is needed to polish the edges 13:47 OldCoder reactor, help me to document the world 13:47 reactor I'm going to gradually stop caring about things unrelated to my speciality, which is by far not game development. 13:48 OldCoder We will write a little about the buildings and history. You will check for broken mods. Then you can move on to other projects. 13:48 OldCoder I will run your world or pass it on to others. 13:48 OldCoder 13:48 reactor But I don't want all the stuff to be lost, because I've already invested time. 13:48 OldCoder See note above 13:48 reactor Oh. 13:48 reactor Well, the mods are okay. 13:48 OldCoder Visit the world, look for problems 13:48 reactor The map only relies on default, stairs and doors. 13:48 reactor And custom textures. 13:48 OldCoder Answer my questions in the near future and help me to write of the world 13:48 OldCoder Then go do a new project 13:48 OldCoder Is this fair? 13:48 reactor Yep. 13:49 reactor Thank you in advance. 13:49 OldCoder All right 13:49 OldCoder 13:49 OldCoder Certainly 13:50 reactor Documentation... Hmm. Well, I've kind of started making a list of places of interest, both present in the world and pending. 13:50 OldCoder Yes 13:50 OldCoder Spend a little time there 13:51 reactor We probably need a convenient manner of storing materials to base models on. 13:51 reactor Will a directory per building with a pile of photos in it be allright? 13:56 OldCoder Reviewing 13:56 OldCoder Of course 13:56 OldCoder This is more than most people provide 13:56 reactor Most of the materials I downloaded were "do not distribute", but I don't remember the links to refer. 13:56 reactor What do I do? 13:57 * OldCoder considers 13:57 OldCoder *Now* you tell us :-) What type of materials? 13:58 reactor Shall I just put a copyright notice in there? "The materials are present here only for convenience and consistency. No copyright infringement intended." 13:58 reactor Photos, videos of the place. 13:58 reactor From various sites. 13:58 reactor Including youtube. 13:59 reactor I store data I find interesting locally, not to wait every time. 13:59 OldCoder reactor, the notice will not help :-) Photos of what place? 13:59 reactor Pripyat. 13:59 OldCoder This is a real place? 13:59 reactor ^ 14:00 * OldCoder is curious. Is Pripyat real? 14:00 reactor What? 14:00 OldCoder Photos, videos of the place 14:00 OldCoder Photos and videos of *what* place? 14:00 reactor What do you think I'm doing? I'm trying to recreate a real place ingame, ofc. 14:01 OldCoder I believe you are creating a world. They come from different sources. 14:01 reactor Why I started all this is, the author's representation was not precise enough. 14:01 OldCoder The materials can't go on official Minetest sites; but you can use them as models 14:02 reactor I'm talking about reference materials for modeling. 14:02 OldCoder Sure. Anyway reactor it is coming along. I must rest soon and then go to work. 14:02 reactor That can be used to determine sizes, shapes etc. 14:02 OldCoder I encourage you to write of the city 14:02 OldCoder Document it; then you can go compose a song or other new projects 14:02 OldCoder john_minetest, I am falling asleep; what is that? 14:03 reactor Write to where? Web interfaces do confuse me, and suppress any intention to write. 14:03 reactor I could slap together a plain text description. 14:03 reactor But eh. Isn't the name self-explanatory? 14:04 reactor I mean, does a world named "Pripyat" really need a description? 14:04 reactor !title 14:04 MinetestBot reactor: Full Time Humor 14:04 OldCoder john_minetest, thank you 14:04 reactor MinetestBot: not descriptive enough. 14:04 OldCoder reactor, yes; a paragraph and list of buildings. You already started that. 14:04 OldCoder reactor, Your world is nearly done 14:04 reactor Is it? 14:04 OldCoder For launch 14:04 reactor It's not by far. Most buildings are not done. 14:04 reactor Oh. 14:04 OldCoder Not much more is needed 14:05 sfan5 reactor: it's not MinetestBot's fault if the title of the webpage is not descriptive 14:05 OldCoder Relax and take this one step at a time 14:05 reactor Yes. We are to get the textures right, though. 14:05 reactor Otherwise, it's ready. 14:05 OldCoder All right 14:05 * OldCoder will nap now 14:05 reactor Also, I think firearms need be disabled for now. 14:05 OldCoder reactor, we can talk again 14:05 reactor Good night, OldCoder. 14:05 OldCoder reactor, I will restart today 14:05 reactor mk 14:05 OldCoder 14:05 OldCoder Zzz 14:06 reactor sfan5: it isn't. 14:06 reactor sfan5: but everyone sometimes needs a scapegoat. 14:06 reactor s/scape/space/ 14:06 reactor or s/space/scape/ 14:06 reactor Damn it. 14:10 issa2013 hello 14:10 issa2013 can u make cross compiling on linux to compile a windows version ? 14:10 reactor s/u/you/ 14:10 reactor s/ca/Ca/ 14:10 reactor Probably yes. 14:11 issa2013 so i need to found how do that 14:11 issa2013 beacause i have a player with windows and i m using the mineste from today 14:12 issa2013 but compiling on linux 14:12 issa2013 so 14:12 issa2013 i need to found how do that 14:12 Trfsrfr Good morning all! Im looking for the location of the code for the most simplest object in Minetest. I want to try and change the color of something. Im a newb Ubuntu user. Can anyone direct me 14:12 harrison http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJlualhdUpc 14:15 reactor issa2013: why not use your power of suggestion and convince that player to switch to a quality, supported operating system? 14:15 reactor john_minetest_: wb. 14:15 issa2013 because i have try but not working 14:16 reactor issa2013: then you need to work on your suggestion. 14:16 kaeza issa2013, ask sfan 5 14:16 reactor issa2013: what is holding that user back from switching? 14:17 issa2013 gaming 14:17 issa2013 is play many games not on linux 14:17 reactor Gaming can be done well under WINE.\ 14:17 reactor He could dual-boot. 14:17 reactor Tons of options eh. 14:17 issa2013 o it's very difficul 14:17 issa2013 user i have think 14:18 issa2013 if u add somthink on the computer so the computer wil be slow 14:18 issa2013 so he is my fault 14:18 issa2013 so now i don't touch his computer 14:18 reactor 20:18 < issa2013> if u add somthink on the computer so the computer wil be slow 14:18 reactor Where'd you read that? 14:18 reactor Some toilet paper? 14:18 issa2013 :) 14:18 markveidemanis Hi 14:19 ndjdjksisksk hi 14:19 ndjdjksisksk wtf 14:19 issa2013 this is the argument of people who don't understand nothing 14:19 reactor This is your problem. Do not ever read toilet paper. Wipe with it. 14:19 issa2013 on the computer 14:19 ndjdjksisksk it is still using ndjdjksisksk 14:19 issa2013 so i have decide to stop convert people to the reason is too dificult 14:19 reactor It is. 14:19 reactor But if the person is your friend, it is rewarding. 14:20 reactor You will lose at least one platform for possible disputes if you get it done. 14:20 reactor s/putes/agreement/ 14:21 stormchaser3000 lol 14:21 stormchaser3000 hi 14:21 stormchaser3000 i am ndjdjksisksk 14:21 reactor What's the matter with you, sfan5? 14:21 reactor Oops. Not you. 14:21 reactor Silly completion. 14:21 kaeza stormchaser3000, O RLY? 14:21 reactor stormchaser3000, i mean. 14:21 stormchaser3000 lol 14:21 stormchaser3000 ndjdjksisksk is my old username 14:22 stormchaser3000 (for prople that do not know that) 14:22 stormchaser3000 people* 14:22 kaeza I totally didn't notice [12:21:10] * ndjdjksisksk is now known as stormchaser3000 14:22 reactor Oh yeah. 14:22 reactor We must be blind or something. 14:22 stormchaser3000 um nvm 14:22 reactor Also. 14:22 reactor What do you mean "nvm"? 14:22 stormchaser3000 i forgot about irc and how it works lol 14:23 * stormchaser3000 is an idiot 14:23 reactor "never mind"? But that would be "nm", if properly abbreviated. 14:23 reactor What's the case with that stray "v"? 14:23 stormchaser3000 yeah nevermind is what i was trying to say 14:23 stormchaser3000 idk 14:24 stormchaser3000 everyone uses nvm instead of nm 14:24 stormchaser3000 lol i am on a chrome book 14:24 reactor Please note most people are retarded. 14:24 reactor You don't have to be one of them. 14:24 stormchaser3000 and i want to compile minetest 14:24 stormchaser3000 ok 14:25 reactor What OS? 14:25 stormchaser3000 chrome os 14:25 reactor I don't know if it's possible. 14:25 stormchaser3000 linux 14:25 stormchaser3000 yeah 14:25 stormchaser3000 i really don't think it is 14:25 reactor Does it have gcc? 14:26 stormchaser3000 unless i compiled it with all of the libraries and posted it on the chrome web store 14:26 stormchaser3000 um i don't have mingw 14:26 stormchaser3000 on here 14:26 reactor What does mingw have to do with this? 14:26 stormchaser3000 um idk what gcc is 14:27 stormchaser3000 :( 14:27 reactor Hard childhood. I see. 14:27 stormchaser3000 i do know that you need it to compile minetest 14:28 reactor How are you supposed to compile if you don't know what cc is? 14:28 MinetestBot GIT: kaeza commited to minetest/minetest_game: Rewrite player.lua 4c0c7ae146 2013-11-09T06:09:30-08:00 http://git.io/IuAocQ 14:28 stormchaser3000 um idk 14:28 kaeza \:D/ 14:28 stormchaser3000 i have compiled minetest on linuc before 14:28 reactor Do you think compiling involves magic and miracles, stormchaser3000? 14:28 stormchaser3000 but this does not have a terminal 14:29 PilzAdam kaeza, also merged your commit about file closing into player_textures 14:29 kaeza huh? 14:29 kaeza now that was ooold O_o 14:29 reactor Oh. You're probably one of those who read and follow manuals, but don't understand what is actually going on. 14:29 PilzAdam https://github.com/PilzAdam/player_textures/commit/838266c3929929b43ae99045100a19c21399fd04 14:29 PilzAdam ^ this one 14:29 reactor You probably should stay away from technology, mate. 14:30 stormchaser3000 hey pilz adam i wold like to add per player skin suport 14:30 reactor He wold. 14:30 PilzAdam stormchaser3000, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3587 14:30 stormchaser3000 like in minetest classic 14:30 kaeza PilzAdam, thanks :) 14:30 stormchaser3000 but with out a mod and haveing it downloadeed from clients and uploaded to servers 14:30 reactor stormchaser3000: search the Internet, there is a mod. 14:30 stormchaser3000 i know 14:31 reactor Then what is your question? 14:31 issa2013 how active GLSL Shaders please 14:31 issa2013 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7570 14:31 stormchaser3000 but i want a mod that can download the skins from peoples clients 14:31 kaeza Megaf, see above 14:31 reactor Clients can't upload stuff, afaik 14:31 PilzAdam issa2013, are you on windows? 14:31 reactor But hmm. Curl has uploading capability. 14:31 issa2013 ubuntu 14:32 stormchaser3000 hey pilz adam do you know of a good terminal emulator foe chrome os 14:32 stormchaser3000 (linux) 14:32 PilzAdam issa2013, do you know how to compile Minetest? 14:32 reactor stormchaser3000: why don't you search the Internet? 14:32 issa2013 yes o have do it now i m playing with the last release dev 14:33 reactor s/last/latest/ 14:33 stormchaser3000 idk um because i can't download programs on a chromebook 14:33 PilzAdam issa2013, download this branch and compile it: https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest/tree/rba_shaders_2 14:33 stormchaser3000 and install them unles it is from the googls store 14:33 stormchaser3000 or google play 14:34 reactor stormchaser3000: I've got an idea for you. Sell this castrated bastard and buy a machine on which you can install a full-featured, well-maintained OS. 14:34 stormchaser3000 lol i am going to install a real linux os on it when i get the chance 14:34 stormchaser3000 this is just for school right now 14:34 reactor stormchaser3000: chromebooks, android and apple tablets are like buying hemorrhoids, in my opinion. 14:34 stormchaser3000 but i want minetest on it 14:35 stormchaser3000 lol 14:35 stormchaser3000 true 14:35 reactor Buy a proper machine eh. 14:35 reactor And for god's sake, learn proper UNIX. 14:35 stormchaser3000 lol 14:35 reactor Beard is optional, and, in fact, deprecated. 14:36 stormchaser3000 hmmm i will se what i can do to the source code 14:36 PilzAdam john_minetest, theres a win build 14:36 reactor john_minetest: why don't you use a good OS instead? 14:37 PilzAdam john_minetest, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=117470#p117470 14:37 reactor I still dont get it why people deliberately do such nasty things to themselves. Macochism? Religiousness? Maybe mental problems? 14:38 reactor john_minetest: virtualization is NOT slower on moder machines. 14:38 reactor Because it's done in hardware. 14:38 reactor Once and for all. 14:38 reactor s/er /ern / 14:38 reactor Dual boot is even less likely to be slow. 14:39 reactor Nobody likes dualboot. But what else to do? 14:39 reactor Besides virtualisation, ofc. 14:39 reactor If you have brain or hand problems, it is. 14:39 reactor But you don't. 14:41 issa2013 PilzAdam, ok that's work 14:41 issa2013 :) 14:41 PilzAdam nice 14:41 reactor issa2013: I wonder. What is you native language? 14:41 reactor s/you/your/ 14:41 reactor "that's work" 14:42 issa2013 it wouldb be interresting to add to move button for mouse 14:42 reactor stormchaser3000: IN YOUR FACE! 14:42 stormchaser3000 hi 14:42 reactor Yeah! IN YOUR FACE! 14:43 stormchaser3000 ok now i am on my real linux computer 14:43 reactor Oh, really? 14:43 stormchaser3000 or real computer 14:43 stormchaser3000 yep 14:43 stormchaser3000 with minetest compiled aready 14:43 reactor Angry German Kid? 14:43 stormchaser3000 no this one uses linux ubuntu 14:43 stormchaser3000 not chrome os 14:43 reactor Ubuntu is the second Winblows. 14:44 PilzAdam john_minetest, WO IST DER ESC KNOPF!!!!!ONE 14:45 arsdragonfly lol 14:45 arsdragonfly keyboard crasher? 14:45 arsdragonfly "Ich bin der Eche Gangster" 14:45 MinetestBot john_minetest: UT-Kid am Durchdrehen - YouTube 14:46 PilzAdam lol, dat windows error sound 14:46 PilzAdam thats what you get when you use windows, kids 14:47 stormchaser3000 lol 14:48 arsdragonfly lol believe it or not this clip has been very hot even here in china 14:49 reactor That is a typical Windows user. 14:49 PilzAdam (Made in Germany) 14:49 arsdragonfly with tons of derivative works 14:49 arsdragonfly and in Japan,too 14:51 issa2013 zi think i have a problem wih moon is black ? 14:51 reactor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9gkxT0WFJY 14:52 arsdragonfly "Ich brauche keine Hilfe, Ich brauche keine Hilfe!hahahahahaha!" 14:52 thexyz forum software which doesn't log moderators' actions is deemed to failure 14:53 arsdragonfly !title 14:53 MinetestBot arsdragonfly: Angry German Kid Reversed With Fake Subtitles - YouTube 14:54 issa2013 reactor, im french 14:54 reactor issa2013: you totally are. 14:54 issa2013 :) 14:54 issa2013 http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/824/q4p8.png 14:55 thexyz it's unsurprising punbb doesn't have one 14:55 reactor issa2013: mk. 14:55 reactor I hate widescreen displays. 14:55 issa2013 reactor, i realy like it 14:55 kaeza dat unity desktop 14:56 reactor unity is bloated and slow 14:56 issa2013 i have e17 14:56 reactor And useless. 14:56 kaeza issa2013, e17 is equally useless IMHO 14:56 issa2013 imho ? 14:57 issa2013 no kaeza terminologie is just enormous 14:57 kaeza In My Humble Opinion 14:57 kaeza too much eye candy 14:57 issa2013 and all effect is good 14:57 issa2013 the problem is the skin of all other windows than not effl 14:57 issa2013 that not efl 14:57 issa2013 and omni is just magik 14:57 issa2013 kaeza, is too much eye candy and it's work prety cool 14:59 kaeza I prefer a simple desktop; Xfce or even Fluxbox/Openbox 15:00 kaeza IceWM is nice too 15:04 reactor john_minetest: ? 15:06 issa2013 i think we need to test he really change and really good 15:06 issa2013 but for minetest 15:06 issa2013 what texture pack i can use ? 15:14 reactor john_minetest: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrkCbUhx_HI 15:15 reactor Note he has a hardon after trying to shove the remote up his. 15:15 reactor Probably sexuality problems. 15:18 PilzAdam thats one of the bugs that needs to be fixed 15:29 issa2013 PilzAdam, what's the futur of this version ? 15:29 issa2013 what is u plan for this ? 15:34 issa2013 lookat this --> http://www.buildaworld.net/ 15:35 issa2013 it's build with irrlich the same 3D engine from minetest 15:45 markveidemanis http://cjdwoods.tumblr.com/post/58761701076/yourstorysofar-dark-mother-the-russian-sleep 15:45 markveidemanis Very Disturbing 15:49 thexyz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICURa0OH3d8 15:53 sfan5 !title 15:53 MinetestBot sfan5: Заниженный таз vs лежачий полицейский Russian tuning vs speed bump - [...] 15:54 reactor markveidemanis: this is old. 15:54 markveidemanis 70 years old in fact 15:55 markveidemanis Do you think it's real? 15:55 markveidemanis looks legit except some details 15:55 sfan5 ofc, every creepypasta is real 15:55 markveidemanis and the very last bit 15:55 reactor john_minetest: xD 15:56 reactor I tried not to sleep once. 15:56 reactor One the second day you start thinking your body is not yours. 15:57 markveidemanis and i sprayed shit on my windows, ripped out my guts and began screaming 15:58 reactor It's no big deal, as soon as you fall asleep, and you will, it will go. 16:01 markveidemanis The images look like a zimbie from half life 16:01 markveidemanis We are you. We are the madness that lurks within you all, begging to be free at every moment in your deepest animal mind. We are what you hide from in your beds every night. We are what you sedate into silence and paralysis when you go to the nocturnal haven where we cannot tread. 16:02 markveidemanis this is most certainly not the words of someone who was flinging his own shit 16:02 markveidemanis Or was it? 16:11 thexyz is the old minetest.net website accessible somewhere? 16:13 sfan5 http://c55.me/minetest/oldsite/ 16:13 sfan5 ^ thexyz 16:14 issa2013 sfan5, do u want explain me how cros compiling 16:15 issa2013 on linux to release minetest for xindows 16:15 sfan5 what's xindows? :P 16:15 issa2013 Windows 16:15 issa2013 :) 16:16 NekoGloop The only incorrect part of that diagram is the windows part 16:16 NekoGloop There's at least a couple more steps 16:17 NekoGloop but with Apple you're fucked 16:18 thexyz sfan5: thanks 16:19 thexyz how to fix linux — recompile the kernel 16:19 thexyz such fun joke 16:20 thexyz everythink on this page is intented to be a joke 16:20 NekoGloop except for the apple part 16:20 NekoGloop that's not a joke 16:20 NekoGloop that's literally the process for fixing an apple computer 16:20 thexyz stereotypes 16:20 NekoGloop bbl 16:21 thexyz call your friend who's "good with computers" 16:21 issa2013 so cross compiling on linux to release for windows ? 16:22 thexyz yes you can 16:25 sfan5 john_minetest: deleting the registry also works 16:29 reactor john_minetest: http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/food/gas%20masks%20main.jpg 16:31 reactor their faces 16:32 markveidemanis I fixed windows. Use Hammer 16:35 thexyz finally 16:35 thexyz !sfu xyz 16:35 MinetestBot xyz Member 435 posts, registered on 2011-11-10 | id: 578 16:35 thexyz oh stupid bot can't work 16:35 thexyz such a surprise 16:36 MinetestBot john_minetest: No Results found 16:36 MinetestBot jmf Member 161 posts, registered on 2012-11-05 | id: 3464 16:36 MinetestBot john_minetest, someone thinks you need to shut the fuck up before you get muted. 16:37 thexyz sfan5: plz add colors 16:37 sfan5 theTroy: there iz colors 16:37 sfan5 but colors are disabled here 16:37 sfan5 woops 16:37 sfan5 ^ thexyz 16:37 thexyz woops indeed 16:37 thexyz they aren't 16:38 thexyz test 16:38 sfan5 hm 16:39 sfan5 !sfu sfan5 16:39 MinetestBot sfan5 9Moderator 2,908 posts, registered on 2011-08-24 | id: 239 16:39 sfan5 green.. 16:39 sfan5 !sfu celeron* 16:39 MinetestBot celeron55 6Administrator 356 posts, registered on 2011-04-19 | id: 2 16:39 MinetestBot Celeron56 4Banned 1 posts, registered on 2012-08-28 | id: 2834 16:39 sfan5 !sfu pilzadam 16:39 MinetestBot PilzAdam 10Developer 3,514 posts, registered on 2012-07-20 | id: 2443 16:39 sfan5 that works too.. 16:40 thexyz oh 16:40 thexyz it just didn't add any colors for me 16:40 sfan5 yep 16:41 rubenwardy How is that done? 16:41 thexyz haha logging bot is so retarded 16:41 thexyz 1like this? 16:42 sfan5 thexyz: the logging bot should s/\x03.// 16:42 rubenwardy Is it like markup, or do you copy and paste it like special ASCII characters 16:42 VanessaE hi all 16:42 thexyz sfan5: maybe 16:42 sfan5 rubenwardy: \x03 16:43 sfan5 !g irc colors 16:43 MinetestBot sfan5: http://www.ircbeginner.com/ircinfo/colors.html 16:43 PilzAdam 05COLORS! 16:43 thexyz I did rant about there not being any sane logging software 16:43 rubenwardy \x03red Hello 16:43 thexyz you tried 16:43 rubenwardy \x03red 16:43 rubenwardy lol 16:43 sfan5 haha 16:43 VanessaE cornernote is alive! (commenting on the mesecons repository) 16:43 rubenwardy 2 hi 16:43 rubenwardy ah ha 16:44 rubenwardy 12this is a wierd way of doing it 16:44 thexyz was he unbanned here? 16:44 sfan5 4are you sure? 16:44 VanessaE idk 16:44 rubenwardy 3Yep 16:44 VanessaE https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/issues/123#issuecomment-28108553 16:45 rubenwardy ?1hi 16:45 rubenwardy 1hi 16:45 sfan5 9 you tried 16:45 PilzAdam 02http://minetest.net/ 16:45 rubenwardy What is character is ctrl+k? 16:45 NekoGloop lol pilz 16:45 thexyz well that's cool, i guess 16:45 sfan5 rubenwardy: \x03 16:45 thexyz hope he won't post more gore here 16:46 PilzAdam now how do I tell xchat to automatically make links underlined and blue? 16:46 rubenwardy ah 16:46 NekoGloop magic 16:46 sfan5 3,3meow? 16:46 rubenwardy PilzAdam, settings->prefer->colors? 16:46 nore 8color test 16:47 nore it actually works! 16:47 thexyz sfan5: this (usually?) doesn't work in terminal emulators 16:47 sfan5 thexyz: I'm pretty sure it works in irssi 16:48 thexyz sfan5: I'm talking about spoilers, when you select text in terminal emulator foreground and background is inverted so it still is invisible 16:48 markveidemanis This is all i have 16:48 * rubenwardy just turned on colored nick names, and wonders what happens 16:49 sfan5 2t3e4s5t 6c7o8l9o10r 11p12l13s 14i15g2n3o4r5e 16:49 sfan5 :D 16:49 markveidemanis HOW? 16:49 sfan5 magic 16:49 thexyz gay.pl 16:50 sfan5 16,16john_minetest 16:50 nore 1a2b3c4d5f6g7h8i9j10l11m12n13o14p15q16r 16:50 sfan5 16,16john_minetest! 16:50 markveidemanis abcdfghijlmnopqr 16:50 ShadowNinja Um, there ARE other channels with -c that you can test in... 16:50 thexyz ___________ 16:50 thexyz / _ _ \ 16:50 thexyz | | |__ (_) | 16:50 thexyz | | '_ \| | | 16:50 thexyz | | | | | | | 16:50 rubenwardy Dont be homophobic, thexyz 16:50 thexyz | |_| |_|_| | 16:50 thexyz \ / 16:50 thexyz ----------- 16:51 markveidemanis haha 16:51 thexyz \ ^__^ 16:51 sfan5 eh 16:51 thexyz \ (oo)_______ 16:51 thexyz (__) )/\ 16:51 sfan5 ShadowBot? 16:51 thexyz ||----w | 16:51 thexyz || || 16:51 markveidemanis haha 16:51 thexyz okey 16:51 sfan5 mooo 16:51 thexyz <3 16:51 sfan5 :D 16:52 nore 12,11Backgrounds too!! 16:52 PilzAdam #minetest: Was never found ontopic since -c again... 16:52 NekoGloop shadowbot ignores ops iirc 16:52 ShadowNinja sfan5: I disabled a protection method, my bot has virtually banned him a few times. ;-) But there is obviously a bug, probably with imunities... 16:52 VanessaE jeesh 16:53 nore irc logs... 16:50 16:53 nore nore 16:53 nore 1a2b3c4d5f6g7h8i9j10l11m12n13o14p15q16r 16:53 nore a few problems with 12colors 16:53 VanessaE colors don't bother me so long as people don't overuse them 16:54 NekoGloop 04meow 16:54 VanessaE (I figure the novelty will wear off sooner or later) 16:54 sfan5 7,13S9,8p10,2a14,5a5,3a10,10a7,2a2,12a4,2a11,10c13,4e3,15e14,9e14,12e9,12e11,12e3,9e9,5 3,10K9,8i8,10t11,6t14,5e6,15n4,14!12,6 11,14<7,33 16:54 VanessaE NekoGloop: fix the damn kitten generator ;) 16:54 ShadowNinja ^ If they are abused any more +c comes back. 16:54 NekoGloop It is fixed 16:54 sfan5 my attempt obviously failed 16:54 nore  16:54 NekoGloop relatively fixed 16:55 rubenwardy Will will please stop doing this! 16:55 rubenwardy *we 16:55 sfan5 7Y4e12s14 4w13e4 8w6i5l14l6! 16:57 rubenwardy wuu2, all? 16:57 PilzAdam 02 03.__ 04 05 06 __ 07 08 09 __ 16:57 PilzAdam 02 _____ 03|__|04 ____ 05 _____06/ |_ 07 ____ 08 ______09_/ |_ 16:57 PilzAdam 02 / \03| |04/ \05_/ __ \06 __\07/ __ \08 / ___/09\ __\ 16:57 PilzAdam 02| Y Y \03 |04 | \05 ___/06| | 07\ ___/08 \___ \ 09 | | 16:57 markveidemanis interrupt 16:57 PilzAdam 02|__|_| /03__|04___| /05\___ >06__| 07\___ >08____ >09 |__| 16:57 kaeza nope 16:57 PilzAdam 02 \/03 04 \/05 \/06 07 \/08 \/ 09 16:57 sfan5 !kick markveidemanis you fool 16:57 rubenwardy (What you up to?) 16:58 markveidemanis F**you 16:58 PilzAdam markveidemanis, stop insulting others 16:58 markveidemanis ..... 16:58 sfan5 (rubenwardy: writing things in braces) 16:58 thexyz 5Pi4lz7Ad8am9: 3ha10vi11ng 12f2un 6t13im5e? 16:58 markveidemanis ▄███▄░░▄███▄░░████▄░████▄░██▄░░▄██ 16:58 markveidemanis ▀█▄▀▀░██▀░▀██░██░██░██░██░░▀████▀░ 16:58 markveidemanis ▄▄▀█▄░██▄░▄██░████▀░████▀░░░░██░░░ 16:58 markveidemanis ▀███▀░░▀███▀░░██░██░██░██░░░░██░░░ 16:59 PilzAdam thexyz, Im a bit bored 16:59 rubenwardy parentheses! 16:59 thexyz I see 16:59 sfan5 I think I'm going to add a rainbow mode to MinetestBot 16:59 * sfan5 pets MinetestBot 16:59 rubenwardy lol 16:59 VanessaE eek 16:59 VanessaE someone discovered figlet. 17:00 nore sfan5, add a "Colored Minetest banner" like PA did... 17:00 sfan5 nore: and it is pasted when someone says minetest? 17:00 PilzAdam D: 17:00 kaeza D: 17:00 sfan5 D: 17:00 PilzAdam D: 17:00 Tiktalik █░░░███░█░░ 17:00 Tiktalik █░░░█░█░█░░ 17:00 Tiktalik ███░███░███ 17:01 Tiktalik figlet is for noobs 17:01 Tiktalik pros make their text MANUALLY 17:01 sfan5 ascii.. 17:01 rubenwardy sfan5, how about for rainbow mode: !mlp david \n David is my favorite pony! 17:01 Tiktalik even if it takes forever 17:01 nore color flood 17:01 sfan5 rubenwardy: haha 17:03 nore has logging bot been updated to handle colors? 17:03 thexyz no 17:03 sfan5 MinetestBot? 17:03 sfan5 MinetestBot! 17:03 MinetestBot sfan5! 17:04 nore why is there no problem in logs now then? 17:04 nore http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-11-09#i_3425344 17:05 thexyz because someone unfun disabled it again 17:05 rubenwardy what 17:05 nore I'm still seeing colors here... strange 17:05 sfan5 nore: the text by markveidemanis uses ascii dos charsa 17:05 sfan5 -a 17:06 nore sfan5, yes but what I said was colored 17:06 nore and yet there are no problems 17:06 nore or wasn't it? 17:06 thexyz that's probably your irc client 17:06 issa2013 hé 17:06 sfan5 nore: many client still show the color even if it doesn't get through 17:06 issa2013 sfan5, PilzAdam about the cross compiling ? 17:06 sfan5 clients have no way to verify 17:07 nore ok... so color mode was disabled... :( 17:07 thexyz fuck ops 17:07 thexyz r-right? 17:08 nore and is there any way to know who did that? 17:08 sfan5 no 17:08 PilzAdam issa2013, look at util/buildbot/buildwin32.sh 17:08 thexyz well if sfan5 says so 17:08 sfan5 technically no 17:09 thexyz okey 17:09 thexyz now have a fun pic http://cs7011.vk.me/c540106/v540106120/56b2/Q5cbgifx5KI.jpg 17:13 markveidemanis https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/q71/556477_1409180825963910_140776713_n.jpg 17:16 reactor ? 17:17 reactor john_minetest: is this German: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFVwiqTAzb4? 17:18 reactor mk 17:19 markveidemanis http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=41633.0 read 17:23 sfan5 markveidemanis: can you please stop? 17:23 sfan5 MinetestBot: quit 17:23 markveidemanis disturbing isnt it? 17:23 sfan5 markveidemanis: can you please stop? 17:25 sfan5 I will! 17:33 issa2013 PilzAdam, http://pastebin.com/j7aF1DTr 17:33 PilzAdam issa2013, of course you have to install mingw 17:33 Jordach evening all 17:34 PilzAdam hey Jorroof 17:34 Jordach wat 17:34 PilzAdam (Dach is german for roof) 17:34 Jordach wat wat wat 17:43 issa2013 who is the leader dev of minetest ? 17:43 Calinou issa2013: celeron55 17:43 PilzAdam there is no lead dev, all core devs are equal 17:44 PilzAdam c55 is just the one who started it all 17:44 thexyz but some devs are more equal 17:45 Jordach mmm chinese food.... 17:45 Jordach not even the curry is spicy enough, its a pussy! 17:46 issa2013 PilzAdam, Calinou u mak some dev for minetest to ? 17:46 issa2013 what are u doing in the real life 17:46 Jordach ...plays minetest? :D 17:48 issa2013 :) 17:48 issa2013 so 17:48 issa2013 i played in minetest i do a little home server 17:49 issa2013 but i explore the map 17:49 issa2013 but when i m dead i respawn to loong from where i am so how please ? 17:50 hmmmm there are bed mods IIRC 17:51 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2625 17:52 Calinou I'm not core dev 17:52 Calinou but I contribute a bit, and make mods/packs 17:53 reactor issa2013 просрал все полимеры. 17:54 thexyz this is gonna be good https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=117421#p117421 17:55 Jordach lol 17:55 Jordach religion ftl 17:55 reactor Totally. 17:55 reactor Religion is ignorance by choice. 17:55 Jordach but science and legends agree on that we came from clay hydrogels 17:57 reactor Why not. 17:59 * rubenwardy is having pizza and chips 17:59 Jordach lol rubem 18:00 rubenwardy with mayonaise! 18:01 reactor Have fun with bowel problems later in life. 18:03 thexyz live fast die young 18:03 thexyz don't care about shit like this 18:04 thexyz right? 18:05 thexyz because this of course will never happen to you 18:05 rubenwardy It is an odd meal for me 18:05 rubenwardy Yesturday I had homemade curry 18:05 issa2013 reactor, wtf 18:08 rubenwardy I am pretty sure my fitness level is going to cause more problems than what I eat 18:08 reactor issa2013: 18:09 reactor Eh? 18:09 reactor rubenwardy: I see. 18:10 issa2013 issa2013 просрал все полимеры. 18:10 issa2013 sorry i don"t understand russia 18:10 reactor Aight. 18:10 * Menche google translates 18:11 thexyz lol 18:11 thexyz it won't help you 18:11 Calinou rubenwardy: it's not hard to walk/run a bit every day, you should do it :P 18:11 rubenwardy I just took my puppy for a 1hr walk :P 18:11 reactor He's a lazy ass. 18:12 rubenwardy yep 18:12 reactor I won't be surprised he also runs Windows on all his machines. 18:12 rubenwardy Nope 18:12 rubenwardy Ubuntu / Windows 18:12 reactor Ubuntu. 18:13 reactor I rest my case. 18:13 rubenwardy I find windows more productive 18:13 reactor Oh yeah? 18:13 rubenwardy yep 18:13 rubenwardy Except in a few cases 18:13 reactor You really are strange. 18:13 issa2013 :) 18:13 rubenwardy ie: when updates are downloading, or when the antivirus is running 18:14 rubenwardy nope, reactor 18:14 reactor I see. It's not issa2013 who просрал все полимеры, it's you. 18:14 rubenwardy nope, reactor, I am just part of the 46.42% 18:14 thexyz issa2013: roughly, it means something like "all is lost, we're fucked" 18:14 reactor 46.42% of what? 18:14 rubenwardy You are part of the 1.61% 18:14 rubenwardy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems 18:14 Menche that > google translate > fucked all polymer being. 18:14 reactor I see. 18:14 thexyz I'm not sure why are reactor talking russian here but I'm not really surprised 18:14 thexyz s/are/is/ 18:14 reactor Menche: wrong. 18:15 Menche lol 18:15 thexyz no, he's 0.11 i think 18:15 * Menche likes google translate mainly for it's humorous incorrect translations 18:15 reactor Did you know 95% of people are retards? 18:15 thexyz because *bsd iirc 18:15 reactor I don't mean anything, just a food for thought. 18:16 rubenwardy Ubuntu is a better OS 18:16 thexyz who knows 18:16 reactor If you're a lazy dweeb, yes. 18:16 Menche google translate offers several alternate translations but is convinced you're talking about polymers. 18:16 thexyz https://fixubuntu.com/ 18:16 rubenwardy But all my projects and IDEs are on Windows 18:16 reactor Menche: I am. 18:16 thexyz Menche: it's a meme 18:16 reactor IDE. I wonder who needs that shit. 18:16 thexyz it's hard to explain 18:17 rubenwardy You need them to compile 18:17 thexyz watch a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBX2czMmZSU 18:17 Menche you need an IDE to compile? 18:17 reactor HA! 18:17 rubenwardy Not for all 18:17 reactor IN YOUR FACE! 18:17 rubenwardy For VB 18:17 * Menche just makes a Makefile 18:17 rubenwardy Fuck off. reactor!*@* added to ignore list. 18:17 reactor Mkay. 18:17 thexyz lol 18:18 thexyz you don't seem very popular 18:18 rubenwardy Me or him? 18:18 thexyz reactor 18:18 reactor An IDE to compile. You've made my day. 18:19 thexyz hm.. this is weird 18:19 thexyz this is when ops usually appear to stop flamewar 18:19 thexyz or whatever should that be called 18:19 thexyz but there aren't any 18:19 thexyz yet they find time to enable +c or do some other unfun shit 18:20 thexyz how's that related to ops not being here? 18:21 rubenwardy reactor!*@* removed from ignore list. :P 18:22 thexyz that was fast 18:22 thexyz it took longer for me 18:24 reactor Night night. 18:29 dafull97 hey guys 18:32 VanessaE oh sure, I step away to read forums and fix a quick bug in pipeworks, and the whole channel goes to hell 18:34 dafull97 when does craigy ormally get on? 18:35 VanessaE idk 18:35 dafull97 k, haha 19:11 * NekoGloop pats VanessaE's head 19:21 * Calinou peats NekoGloop's hoof 19:21 NekoGloop I don't have hooves 19:22 * john_minetest brohooves Calinou 19:24 PilzAdam john_minetest, http://youtu.be/w2lnMWOld38 19:29 VanessaE bbl 19:33 thexyz Very boring U know wen u open it it will just wait 2 min. But its more dan 2 min. On it so i will rate it 2 stars because u will wate 2 min. On it and it will just stop on it so i dont like this game and i will uninstall on it sooooooo very lame game!:'( 19:35 PilzAdam thexyz, the 2 minute problem is solved in the current dev version 19:35 thexyz it's about android version 19:36 thexyz lol 19:36 thexyz russian comments are even more hilarious 19:58 DarinM1967 Hey everybody. PilzAdam's recommended I come here for help with my blender to direct x issue, since the other channel "minetest-mods" is pretty dead. 20:03 DarinM1967_ Sorry I dropped out. Tried reloading the page and had to log back on. 20:04 Ritchie DarinM1967_: hi, you dropped because your IP address has changed 20:18 DarinM1967 Sorry I'm back again. Sorry for being a pop in and out pest, but the web based system wasn't working very well. 20:20 DarinM1967 I never could tell whether or not any of you could see my messages. If any of you could please let me know. If not I'll repeat myself. Thanks in advanced for any assistance you can give. :) 20:21 PilzAdam DarinM1967, nobody sees your messages 20:22 DarinM1967 Really? PilzAdam's were you able to? 20:22 PilzAdam no 20:23 PilzAdam DarinM1967, you could just look at the logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ 20:27 DarinM1967 Okay then I'll try to explain it again. I am using PilzAdam's Simple Mobs with BlockMan's Wasteland mod and it works great, but I'm having problems exporting a modified version of PilzAdam's "sand monster" as a direct x file, which is now a zombie. Anyway, when I spawn the zombie in it's really small, has no animations and the only part of the texture showing is it's chest and back. 20:28 DarinM1967 I'm using blender 2.69 on Windows 7 64 bit. 20:28 PilzAdam I cant help you with that problem, since i havent made the models for simple mobs 20:28 PilzAdam I guess Jordach could help you a bit 20:29 DarinM1967 That would be great. Should I wait till he responds or Private chat him? 20:29 MinetestBot GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Weather: Fix uninitialized weather_update_time (sorry proller) b401e58c0d 2013-11-09T12:29:22-08:00 http://git.io/EGyeFA 20:30 DarinM1967 Btw PilzAdam Simple Mobs is a great mod. It's simple and clean. Nice job. 20:34 DarinM1967 While I'm waiting for Jordach to respond. I'm curious if any of you have tried BlockMen's "Wasteland". It's a really cool premise. I run PlizAdam's "Simple Mobs" with it and have modified the init.lua so that only rats appear and they do very, very rarely. 20:53 us_0gb I need a recipe for my landclaim nodes. I want to use nine steel blocks, but according to my latest census, there isn't that much iron in the ground. 21:00 stujones11 DarinM1967: see https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4728 21:29 Jordach wat 21:53 paramat PilzAdam, the floatlands fix was tested by us^0gb last night and seems to work https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/989 21:53 OldCoder Sapier is asleep, I assume 21:54 OldCoder Well, if anybody would like to work on MT with me let me know 21:54 OldCoder The worlds are rising again 21:57 paramat Adam ... however i cannot do the actual github pull request is that is required 22:00 thexyz OldCoder: sapier seems to be actively talking in #-dev and submitting pull requests, he must be busy, not asleep 22:00 OldCoder thexyz, t y but as he is not here perhaps I should not disturb him 22:00 OldCoder Would he mind? 22:00 thexyz dunno? 22:00 OldCoder Hmm 22:01 Peacock good morning minetestians 22:03 paramat Hi P 22:05 Peacock http://youtu.be/NZRu2tKTS1Q 22:08 paramat heh he's a peacock! 22:08 us|0gb Good morning! 22:13 Peacock for your bishop ring mod: you could close the top with glass, essentially making it a very long tube lol 22:13 Peacock http://www.terasemweb.org/images/Stanford_Torus.jpg 22:13 Peacock sorta like that 22:14 paramat hmm 22:14 paramat yeah thats so small it needs a top to keep atmosphere in 22:15 Peacock im not entirely sure how big an object has to be to hold an atmosphere 22:15 paramat 100 kms to stop atmosphere leakage? 22:15 Peacock though in Mars's case it's the lack of a magnetic field that accounts for the weak-ass atmosphere on that planet 22:17 Peacock considering the size of maps though, you could probably fit in quite a few rings and have a multi-colony thing going 22:18 paramat yep 1D horizontal realms can be side-by-side or stacked 22:21 paramat mapgen talk on dev channel at 18:16 *reads* 22:24 paramat i think of MT atmosopheres as being 1-2kms deep, since clouds dissappear from view at y = 2100, when the clouds dissappear i consider that orbit or space 22:25 Peacock well the clouds in mt were set ridiculously low to begin with 22:25 Peacock not sure if it's still the case, i always disable them 22:27 cy1 So apparantly in the 1.7 update minecraft devs had the brilliant innovation of referring to their blocks and entities by name instead of an ID number. 22:28 us|0gb You know what? That's a great idea! We should copy that idea. 22:28 Peacock cyl that was convered on the forums lol 22:28 Peacock and as it was said there, namespaces weren't invented by MT lol 22:30 cy1 I know. I just like rolling in irony. 22:30 Peacock irony? lol 22:31 cy1 For the record I think referring to blocks by ID numbers is the better idea, but only if you can keep the client and server in sync. 22:31 cy1 With diverse servers that gets intractable fast. 22:31 us|0gb Yeah, I agree. 22:31 cy1 Unless you can download client mods, from the server itself. Trusted code execution, anyone? 22:32 cy1 ...anyone? 22:32 us|0gb The numbers take less space in the databases too. 22:32 * cy1 crickets 22:32 Peacock i really dont get the psychology here sometimes lol we copy so much from MC, but when MC does something slightly like MT, people go nuts lol 22:32 us|0gb I don't care if they copy us. It's a compliment. 22:32 cy1 Peacock: They're closed source. We're open source. I don't see how that's hard to get. 22:33 us|0gb Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. 22:33 Peacock i dont really see where licensing comes into it cyl lol 22:33 cy1 us|0gb: It could be like for palette images, where you download a list of string identifier -> integer and then the block data is just integers. 22:33 Peacock ogb agreed, we have two very similar games, obviously they're going to employ some of the same ideas 22:33 cy1 Peacock: licensing? Closed source is a physical technique. 22:34 Peacock cyl what? 22:34 cy1 Licenses are only as good as people uphold them. Closed source will stay closed no matter what you say about it though. 22:35 Peacock yeah but what does any of that have to do with both games sharing common features? 22:35 us|0gb cy1: Doe that not happen? In the C++, I thought the server (and probably the client) dealt with nodes by identifier numbers assigned at the time of node registration. 22:35 cy1 eh, I just think that it's more abrasive when secretive hostile apps copy, because even Notch could commit a patch to minetest. 22:35 cy1 us|0gb: ...you know, I'm not sure. Now that I think about it, you might be right. 22:36 Peacock well you can' GPL an idea cyl lol 22:36 Peacock those are called patents, and last i checked, RMS was against those too 22:36 Peacock and namespaces are hardly unique to MT, as i said early on 22:36 cy1 but us modding minecraft? good luck! Get your decompilers and deobfuscaters cracking. You might figure out how to just barely get started in a year or so. :p 22:36 Peacock ogb PA explained that nodeids change when nodes are added/removed 22:37 Peacock cyl well obviously some people do succeed at modding MC 22:37 us|0gb Peacock: You are discussing open/closed source, a thing that has nothing to do with Stallman. Some open source stuff doesn't meet his standard either. 22:37 cy1 Yeah they do... after a massive waste of time and labor. 22:37 Peacock naw cyl is discussing open/closed source, and i dont get what that has to do with namespaces lol 22:38 cy1 It has to do with copying. 22:38 cy1 And why people make an uproar about open -> closed, but not closed -> open 22:38 us|0gb Peacock: How do you remove nodes? 22:38 Peacock cyl well obviously they think it's worth it, and they have the userbase for them to feel they get enough respect out of the effort 22:38 Peacock cyl copying what exactly? 22:39 Peacock ogb well nodes are removed when you no longer register them 22:39 us|0gb THat's not removal then, and of course that would change the IDs if they are assigned at registration time. 22:40 OldCoder Does anybody wish to try Octuteam Revived? kaeza? 22:40 Peacock well they're removed in the sense that you had the node before but no longer after deleting the register node code 22:40 cy1 What's param0 used for again...? 22:40 us|0gb OldCoder: Is that a server or module? 22:40 OldCoder us|0gb, It is a world that is over a year old 22:40 OldCoder Nice and complicated 22:40 us|0gb Param0 might be the node ID or node number. 22:40 OldCoder If it still works with new technic and mesecons 22:40 cy1 Ah, great! 22:41 cy1 Then yes us|0gb, there is a lookup table for string -> integer ID 22:41 us|0gb Oops, I meant node ID or node name. 22:41 cy1 not sure where it is, but the block data definitely considers param0 to be a uh... 22:41 cy1 16 bit integer. 22:41 Peacock minetest.get_content_id(name) -> integer 22:42 us|0gb OldCoder: If this is a hosted world to log into, I'll try it, but I don't have the resources to run a world right now. 22:42 us|0gb Oops, too late. 22:42 cy1 OldCoder: Where is it located? 22:42 us|0gb OldCoder: If this is a hosted world to log into, I'll try it, but I don't have the resources to run a world right now. 22:43 OldCoder us|0gb, cy1 *I* run my worlds :-) 22:43 OldCoder I had 20 and I am reviving them one by one 22:43 OldCoder If there are people to review for broken stuff I will restart the 3rd world 22:43 OldCoder Octuteam 22:43 us|0gb Okay, just being sure before I commit to anything. 22:43 OldCoder Pretty damn complicated 22:43 OldCoder Lots of farms and windmills or whatever 22:43 us|0gb SO we are looking for broken nodes then? 22:43 OldCoder Hang on I lost my sessions 22:43 us|0gb *So 22:43 OldCoder Anything that needs to be fixed 22:44 OldCoder If I have 2 volunteers I will set it up in the next hour 22:44 us|0gb I'll do it. 22:44 cy1 sure 22:44 us|0gb (In another voice) I'll do it as well. 22:45 Peacock multiple personalities, interesting :P 22:45 OldCoder Heh 22:45 cy1 They both type on the same keyboard. It's double hacking. 22:45 OldCoder I have updated the mods, stuff is broken. We will see. 22:45 OldCoder Waiting for Animals ATM. 22:45 OldCoder Sapier is reviewing things. 22:45 us|0gb That second one wasn't me, Peacock. *whistles suspiciously* 22:45 Peacock Deepthroat? 22:45 OldCoder Umm 22:46 Peacock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Throat_(Watergate)) 22:46 OldCoder Ah 22:46 Peacock get your minds out of the gutters :P 22:46 OldCoder 22:46 * OldCoder whistles 22:46 Peacock lol 22:47 us|0gb Gutters, what? I'm thinking of Kermit the Frog. 22:47 cy1 Animals? Another mob framework? :/ 22:47 OldCoder Good old Kermit 22:47 OldCoder cy1, the cows and sheep and birds and fish 22:47 cy1 Oh, mobf. 22:47 OldCoder I am about to try a new release yes 22:47 OldCoder This saving old worlds stuff is tricky 22:47 Peacock goods, i got my 5x5 craft guide working 22:48 OldCoder Shall I add your mod? 22:48 cy1 but do you have any recipes? D: 22:48 OldCoder Does it conflict with zcg craft guide? 22:48 Peacock though for some reason set_list() doesn't set the output of get_craft_recipe in the right tiles, i have to loop through the table 22:48 Peacock dont know if bug or intended 22:48 * us|0gb wonders what kind of dirty thoughts Peacock has about the green Muppet 22:49 Peacock well as far as i can tell, none of the craft guides i tried work correctly 22:49 cy1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOn1htjSZic 22:49 OldCoder Peacock, tried zcg? 22:49 OldCoder And does yours conflict with that? 22:49 Peacock yeah it depends on an inventory mod i dont want/need, i need the craftguide to be standalone 22:50 Peacock its gonna be like an RTS-type research station 22:50 cy1 RTS? 22:50 Peacock real time strategy, you usually have to research stuff before being able to build the complex stuff 22:51 cy1 Ah, huh. 22:51 Peacock so the craft guide im working on wont reveal everything at once 22:51 Peacock though you'll still be able to guess/craft stuff 22:52 Peacock but with a 5x5 grid, that could take a while lol 22:52 cy1 Gotcha... 22:53 Peacock i still need to add a machine slot since half the stuff ins't crafted but made in a factory-type node 22:53 Peacock and i only got about a dozen machines lol 22:55 Peacock next up, the vmanip shield gen 22:55 OldCoder 22:55 OldCoder snow depends on stairsplus but stairsplus is gone... should I simply remove stairsplus from snow depends? 22:55 Peacock theres snow in default now i think 22:56 us|0gb Change the stairsplus dependancy to moreblocks. 22:56 OldCoder us|0gb, t y is Peacock right? 22:56 * OldCoder checks 22:56 Peacock t y? 22:56 OldCoder thank you 22:56 Peacock oh lol 22:57 us|0gb I think there is snow in default, but the snow module adds more than just snow. 22:57 us|0gb It also adds some trees and moss. 22:57 OldCoder I don't see snow in minetest_game 22:57 OldCoder What is your link for latest snow? 22:57 OldCoder The old one from a year ago? 22:57 us|0gb Snow is in default, not minetest_game. 22:57 OldCoder Searching 22:57 Peacock https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/default/nodes.lua#L113 22:58 us|0gb And it's only snow, not all the other stuff added by the snow module. 22:58 OldCoder Thanks 22:58 OldCoder What snow module would you use? 22:58 Peacock https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/default/nodes.lua#L1328 22:58 us|0gb It depends on the effect you want. 22:58 us|0gb DO you want moss and pine trees? 22:58 us|0gb *Do 22:59 OldCoder If they are not high CPU sure 23:00 us|0gb Hmm. I don't know if snow:snow is hgh on resource usage do to its generation ... 23:00 us|0gb I don't think default:snow generates at all yet. 23:00 us|0gb *high 23:00 OldCoder 23:01 Peacock well imo if it's default, i wouldn't bank on the snow mod being maintained eternally 23:01 OldCoder us|0gb, others; what snow module would you recommend? Link 23:01 OldCoder Hmm? 23:01 OldCoder So drop snow? 23:01 us|0gb I've been out of touch with modules for ages. 23:01 us|0gb I don't even know what any do anymore. 23:02 OldCoder Ditto 23:02 us|0gb I mean, I know how they USED to work, but I'm sure much has changed. 23:02 OldCoder But making it work 23:02 Peacock its 50/50, using default means migrating your current nodes -> default nodes, sticking with snow mod means it probably won't be updated often in the future 23:02 us|0gb It would be fine to remove snow, but you'll have broken nodes. 23:02 OldCoder Hmm 23:02 OldCoder I will keep it 23:02 Peacock i have something for broken nodes 23:02 OldCoder Oh? 23:02 cy1 lol bank on the snow mod 23:03 Peacock http://pastebin.com/yDRjHJwX 23:03 OldCoder R 23:03 OldCoder bank? 23:03 OldCoder Peacock, interesting 23:03 OldCoder How do I use it? 23:04 Peacock convert_node(oldnode,newnode) 23:04 OldCoder Ah 23:04 OldCoder Must be tailored 23:04 Peacock if theres nothing on the convert list the abm isn't registered 23:04 OldCoder But OK; may try later 23:04 us|0gb I've seen that one. You have to keep a list of unknown nodes though. I like mine better, but it leaves them all in place, making them still unknown, but as gag nodes the way mese used to be. 23:04 cy1 I made one of those once... 23:05 Peacock well i use it when i dev mods, lots of stuff gets migrated from one mod to another as they grow in complexity lol 23:05 us|0gb We need a new gag node anyway. 23:05 VanessaE hi 23:05 us|0gb Hello! 23:05 Peacock good morning! 23:06 OldCoder snow breaks because no stairsplus 23:06 OldCoder Can this be fixed? 23:06 Menche wasn't stairsplus merged with moreblocks? 23:06 us|0gb Change all references to stairsplus to references to moreblocks. 23:07 OldCoder Patching 23:07 OldCoder So nobody has made an updated snow mod? 23:07 us|0gb I wouldn't know. 23:08 * OldCoder edits 23:09 us|0gb Menche: I was thinking about your idea today (the one about a game referencing modules from anywhere), and I think I'm going to do that in my game using symbolic links. 23:09 Peacock if it depends on stairsplus, wont the mod be looking for stairsplus:* nodes? 23:09 us|0gb Yeah, it might be. 23:10 Peacock or trying to use stairsplus.* functions come to think of it 23:10 Peacock bbl 23:11 us|0gb The references to the functions were the ones I was talking about changing. 23:13 us|0gb OldCoder: You could maybe add "local stairsplus = moreblocks" to the top of the file. 23:13 OldCoder Thanks 23:13 OldCoder Debugging problems 23:13 OldCoder Will report baack 23:13 OldCoder back * 23:13 us|0gb Okay, good luck! 23:14 us|0gb Ah, that's where I recognized you from. I knew it was somewhere. 23:14 OldCoder Hi! 23:15 us|0gb Yeah, I expected you to point that out in the other channel, but you never did. 23:15 us|0gb With that name, it's hard to forget. 23:17 paramat Oldcoder, snow mod by Splizard is *the* snow mod 23:17 cy1 animals_modpack/mobf/mobf.lua:807: attempt to index field 'spawning' (a nil value) 23:17 OldCoder Hi 23:18 OldCoder paramat, Link please? 23:18 paramat https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2290 23:19 paramat but snow nodes are now in 0.4.7 stable, but not used in mapgen 23:19 * john_minetest puts a kitten on OldCoder's head and runs away. Cya. 23:19 OldCoder 23:19 OldCoder Hi! 23:20 OldCoder paramat, So should I use the Splizard mod? 23:21 OldCoder 15:18:20: ERROR[main]: /opt/minetest047/share/minetest/mods/snow/init.lua: 23:21 OldCoder 15:18:20: ERROR[main]: /opt/minetest047/share/minetest/mods/snow/init.lua:271: a 23:21 paramat if you're trying to support an old world, just use the nes nodes provided in minetest game default 23:21 OldCoder ttempt to index global 'moreblocks' (a nil value) 23:21 OldCoder How should I do that? 23:21 OldCoder What do I do? 23:21 paramat umm not sure perhaps alias? 23:21 Menche isn't that fixed by adding moreblocks to depends.txt? 23:21 * OldCoder is not familiar but thanks 23:21 OldCoder Menche, I did that... odd 23:21 OldCoder Reviewing further 23:22 * OldCoder digs into the files 23:22 OldCoder default 23:22 OldCoder moreblocks 23:22 OldCoder I patched RealBadAngel's snow 23:22 OldCoder That is the depends.txt 23:22 OldCoder And I replaced occurrences of stairsplus with moreblocks... 23:23 OldCoder init.lua:moreblocks.register_stair_and_slab_and_panel_and_micro ... 23:23 OldCoder Like that... 23:23 OldCoder Hmm 23:23 * OldCoder tries again 23:24 paramat snow nodes were added to 0.4.7 stable in order to be used by mapgen v7 when that's done 23:25 OldCoder The question is... what should I do... trying again 23:25 OldCoder attempt to index global 'moreblocks' (a nil value) 23:25 OldCoder Any suggestions before I delete snow? 23:26 OldCoder load_mod_moreblocks = true 23:26 us|0gb I need a good way to compare recipes for equality according to Minetest. So, for example, XX_,XX_,XX_ would be equal to _XX,_XX,_XX. Any ideas? Preferably ideas outside of Lua, such as in Sh or Python, but Lua works too. 23:27 OldCoder Hmm... I am loading moreblocks 23:27 OldCoder us|0gb, I can probably write a Perl script 23:27 OldCoder But not today 23:27 OldCoder So, I have moreblocks, it is loaded, snow has moreblocks in depends, but moreblocks is nil 23:27 OldCoder No comments? 23:27 us|0gb Okay, I'll figure it out. I wasn't asking for a writing, just a concept of how. 23:27 OldCoder Sure 23:27 OldCoder Show me two recipes 23:27 OldCoder us|0gb, 23:27 OldCoder Can paste elsewhere or here if short 23:28 us|0gb Where does moreblocks keep its table? 23:28 us|0gb Maybe I had the table namw wrong is why. 23:28 us|0gb *name 23:29 OldCoder Table? 23:29 OldCoder I am in the code 23:29 us|0gb The table it stores its functions in. 23:29 OldCoder Reviewing 23:30 OldCoder function register_stair_slab_panel_micro(modname, subname, recipeitem, groups, 23:30 OldCoder register_stair(modname, subname, recipeitem, groups, images, descriptio 23:30 OldCoder regis 23:30 OldCoder Function just looks like that... 23:30 OldCoder R further 23:30 OldCoder Looks simply like a function 23:30 OldCoder Name is not in a table 23:30 us|0gb No table then? Okay, remove the "moreblocks." prefix on the function calls then. 23:30 OldCoder k will try t y 23:32 OldCoder 15:30:04: ERROR[main]: Failed to load and run script from 23:32 OldCoder 15:30:04: ERROR[main]: /opt/minetest047/share/minetest/mods/snow/init.lua: 23:32 OldCoder 15:30:04: ERROR[main]: /opt/minetest047/share/minetest/mods/snow/init.lua:271: a 23:32 OldCoder ttempt to call global 'register_stair_and_slab_and_panel_and_micro' 23:32 * OldCoder senses this will not work :-) 23:33 OldCoder I could drop dropping just that register call from snow 23:33 Menche try adding the moreblocks prefix to both the calls and definitions? 23:33 OldCoder Then part of snow might still more 23:33 OldCoder Menche, I will try. But isn't there a standard way to do this? And I am the only one who used RBA snow? But thanks, proceeding. 23:33 * OldCoder patches 23:34 us|0gb We just removed the "moreblocks." prefix, as that wasn't working. 23:34 Menche that prefix was in the calls but not the definitions 23:34 OldCoder Wait, I don't want to patch moreblocks 23:34 us|0gb OH! Sorry, my dyslexia was acting up again. 23:34 OldCoder If there is no standard way to do this, I should probably give up snow 23:35 OldCoder But is there no standard way to fix the snow mod? 23:35 Peacock well you could keep the functionality of the snow but just change it to use the default nodes 23:35 OldCoder How so? 23:35 OldCoder Would the old nodes break? 23:36 Peacock not sure of they all use the same types of nodes though 23:36 * OldCoder gives up 23:36 OldCoder Sayanora Snow 23:36 OldCoder There is no standard way? Odd. It seems simple. 23:36 Menche or just copy the old stairsplus functions over so they're part of snow 23:36 OldCoder Just replacing one mod with another 23:36 OldCoder Menche, may try that later thanks 23:37 * OldCoder sighs 23:37 OldCoder Lots of new broken mods 23:38 OldCoder Worlds are down until worked out 23:38 OldCoder Thanks for assistance, folks. I will report back. 23:38 OldCoder 23:39 OldCoder Heh 23:39 OldCoder [FOOD DEBUG] Ingredient sugar has no built in equiv 23:39 OldCoder [FOOD DEBUG] Ingredient cup has no built in equiv 23:39 OldCoder This is likely to take a while 23:39 cy1 OldCoder: That function is in the stairsplus mod I think... isn't it a dependency for "snow"? 23:39 OldCoder cy1, There is no longer a stairsplus mod 23:39 OldCoder I have been told to use moreblocks instead 23:39 OldCoder Using stairsplus breaks things too 23:39 OldCoder Heh double 23:41 cy1 The standard way to fix a mod whose code is old enough that it depends on a mod that no longer exists, is to edit the code in a text editor or IDE repeatedly until it works again. 23:41 cy1 `-` 23:42 Peacock well i think w/ prollers' weather stuff there hasn't been much impetus to maintain snow mod, or rain and snow mod (jeija) 23:42 Peacock *and 23:43 OldCoder Yep 23:43 OldCoder But now worlds are broken and will need to be fixed 23:43 OldCoder Oh well again 23:45 Peacock thats bound to happen when mods and engine are updated - what we need is better migration tools to that end 23:46 us|0gb There's always aliasing, but that is kind of manual. I don't know how we could build a better tool than that, though one is definitely needed. 23:48 OldCoder I am fixing all of it now 23:49 us|0gb Building my jumbo game is going to be a nightmare, if I ever go back to that idea. 23:49 us|0gb Unless I don't use other people's code. 23:50 us|0gb If they want their modules included, they can join the project, but there's little chance they'll want to do thet. 23:50 us|0gb *that 23:55 OldCoder 23:55 OldCoder OK I have got my worlds to load again 23:55 us|0gb Where is the site for the in-game module downloads? 23:55 OldCoder I will set up Octuteam now if some of you wish to try it 23:55 us|0gb Never mind, I think I found it. 23:55 us|0gb I'll try it. 23:56 us|0gb Nope, didn't find it. 23:58 VanessaE us|0gb: https://forum.minetest.net/mmdb/ 23:58 us|0gb VanessaE: Awesome. Thanks! 23:59 us|0gb VanessaE: DO you log in with your forum credentials? It won't let me do that, and I can't find a link to create an account.