| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:01 |
paramat |
do you know how to upgrade to the new perlin map functions? i can help you out, edit your mod if you want |
| 00:02 |
Peacock |
didn't notice that hte perlins had changed, i noticed the ore choosing part changed, though im not sure how my 7 ores fit into that structure |
| 00:02 |
* paramat |
is in full effect! ;} |
| 00:02 |
Peacock |
heck i might not even be done defining ores, im up to 6 or 7 machines lol; |
| 00:03 |
Peacock |
i may need to add a non-energy crystalline |
| 00:04 |
paramat |
my mods are very perlin heavy ... multiple 3D noise which is very processing intensive, so the new faster perlin functions will help a lot |
| 00:04 |
Peacock |
well vmanip helped alot with the old version too, since it's asteroids and not a full landscape |
| 00:05 |
Peacock |
ill have to do a side-by-side to get the new perlins in, will that change my current map though? |
| 00:05 |
paramat |
umm i think it will be a seamless match |
| 00:06 |
paramat |
... across chunk boundaries if you upgrade mid-world |
| 00:07 |
Peacock |
cool, the last big hurdle will be finding solid ground to dump new players on lol |
| 00:08 |
Peacock |
though i could probably register a few positions in a file as the asteroids generate |
| 00:08 |
Peacock |
either that or pick a static spawn point and let the players build out /explore |
| 00:14 |
paramat |
btw non-flowing liquid is done by this in 0.4.7 'liquid_alternative_flowing = "air",' in the node definition |
| 00:14 |
paramat |
(0.4.7stable), in 0.4.7dev: 'liquid_range = 0' |
| 00:15 |
Peacock |
well i think its the range that causes the lag and cpu load, it only started when it was added |
| 00:15 |
proller |
_range prepared for remove |
| 00:15 |
Peacock |
good luck with PA :p |
| 00:16 |
proller |
he agreed |
| 00:16 |
Peacock |
ah good |
| 00:16 |
kaeza |
why? |
| 00:16 |
Peacock |
honestly i could see the difference between range and viscosity |
| 00:16 |
Peacock |
*couldn't |
| 00:16 |
proller |
its will be replaced with "levels" |
| 00:16 |
proller |
how it works can see in -next |
| 00:17 |
Peacock |
well can't we just leave the normal liquids classic? |
| 00:17 |
proller |
they leave |
| 00:17 |
Peacock |
there was like, 0 lag before, you could make waterfalls and whatnot |
| 00:17 |
proller |
but you can define number of levels in any liquid |
| 00:17 |
proller |
no lag with finite now |
| 00:18 |
Peacock |
yeah but i dont want finite and i dont want classic liquids to behave like it lol |
| 00:18 |
proller |
and with finite you make dynwmic waterfalls |
| 00:18 |
proller |
nobody removes classic |
| 00:18 |
Peacock |
and this gentlemen, is why i moved on to a game with 0 liquids lol |
| 00:18 |
paramat |
so liquid with 2 levels will look abstract and blocky? |
| 00:19 |
paramat |
... and process fast? |
| 00:19 |
proller |
paramat, no, they use same render as now |
| 00:19 |
proller |
VERY fast |
| 00:19 |
Peacock |
my algea farm takes ice or snow and converts it to water in texture only lol |
| 00:19 |
paramat |
proller, please post more screenshots of your stuff :) |
| 00:19 |
proller |
also 1-level liquid already used for sand and gravel |
| 00:20 |
proller |
try it yourself https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7033 |
| 00:20 |
proller |
^ its all-stuff-in-one |
| 00:20 |
paramat |
i saw your old video of drifting clouds, it is awesome |
| 00:20 |
proller |
with -game |
| 00:20 |
proller |
no, its not mine |
| 00:20 |
proller |
its 2-years old and unmerged |
| 00:21 |
paramat |
ah okay |
| 00:21 |
proller |
but my goal near this video |
| 00:21 |
proller |
clouds too hard for now, need client-server sync and more |
| 00:21 |
proller |
other already works |
| 00:21 |
paramat |
ah because clouds are client side |
| 00:22 |
Peacock |
i wish minetest had a tool like remastersys for making custom builsd |
| 00:22 |
Peacock |
*builds |
| 00:23 |
kaeza |
not everyone cares/wants finite liquids |
| 00:24 |
paramat |
also proller, please could you fix the floatlands in indev :} they are a bit embarassing for me because of the flat sides and the non-continuity across chunk boundaries :} its a very quick and easy fix |
| 00:24 |
kaeza |
for whatever reason |
| 00:24 |
proller |
paramat, show diff ;) |
| 00:25 |
proller |
kaeza, old will be always here |
| 00:25 |
proller |
but if you want dynamice weather - only finite support it |
| 00:26 |
Peacock |
what kaeza said (+1) |
| 00:27 |
Peacock |
the more certain things are forced onto people/modders/server admins, the more they're inclined *not* to update MT |
| 00:28 |
proller |
all my new stuff disabled by default |
| 00:34 |
paramat |
proller, posts 36 to 38 here https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=76760#p76760 i did warn you about the flat edges heh :D |
| 00:34 |
proller |
i tried to fix as explained, but nothing |
| 00:34 |
proller |
was flat again |
| 00:35 |
paramat |
oh okay |
| 00:35 |
proller |
can you try change-build? |
| 00:35 |
paramat |
i'll look at your code and provide you with diff |
| 00:36 |
proller |
end of mapgen_indev.cpp |
| 00:36 |
paramat |
SEEDDIFF1 + minp.x * 100 + minp.y * 100 + minp.z * 100 |
| 00:37 |
paramat |
seed should be dependant on y only |
| 00:37 |
paramat |
(seeds) |
| 00:38 |
paramat |
i'll go look at the code ... |
| 00:41 |
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| 00:45 |
Peacock |
well im gonna go download some beer before tackling the litter, dishes and custom craft guide XD bbl |
| 00:48 |
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| 01:05 |
paramat |
where in the code are seeds defined for floatlands? |
| 01:05 |
proller |
minetest.conf |
| 01:05 |
OldCoder |
Hmm |
| 01:06 |
OldCoder |
Somehow I missed Sapier again |
| 01:07 |
paramat |
thanks, i mean where did you add the x, y and z dependancy of the seeddiff (seeddiff = SEEDDIFF1 + minp.x * 100 + minp.y * 100 + minp.z * 100)? |
| 01:13 |
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| 01:13 |
proller |
something in mapgen_indev.cpp:140 |
| 01:13 |
* paramat |
looks |
| 01:16 |
MinetestBot |
GIT: 4Evergreen4 commited to minetest/minetest: Add wrapper for minetest.rotate_and_place. 1d856b734b 2013-11-07T17:14:26-08:00 http://git.io/45fsjw |
| 01:18 |
MinetestBot |
GIT: 4Evergreen4 commited to minetest/minetest_game: Add 6d facedir to logs. 3653859961 2013-11-07T17:16:54-08:00 http://git.io/7YhBPQ |
| 01:19 |
* EvergreenTree |
Dances dances joyfully around the room |
| 01:23 |
EvergreenTree |
Update: Minetest now has horizontal logs! (thanks to VanessaE's 6d facedir prediction routine) |
| 01:23 |
paramat |
cool |
| 01:24 |
VanessaE |
:D |
| 01:24 |
EvergreenTree |
I wasn't expecting to create a function for just making horizontal logs, but whatevs |
| 01:25 |
Peacock |
damnit, finished all the dishes, cleaned the kitchen.... found my wife's coffee cup behind her screen lol |
| 01:25 |
VanessaE |
actually, your wrapper will probably find some use elsewhere too |
| 01:27 |
paramat |
its good to see hmm-mm helping to get 0.4.8 out fast |
| 01:27 |
Peacock |
i think he just got sick of putting it off lol |
| 01:27 |
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| 01:27 |
Peacock |
everytime it was about to come out, bam, new milestone lol |
| 01:27 |
kaeza |
^ |
| 01:28 |
Peacock |
though i dont know how many bugs they expect to fix with a 1 week feature freeze, or if anything at all will even get done during that period lol |
| 01:28 |
kaeza |
0.4.7 is what, half a year old? |
| 01:29 |
OldCoder |
Does kahrl httpfetch make it in? |
| 01:29 |
VanessaE |
almost, kaeza |
| 01:29 |
VanessaE |
5 months, thereabouts |
| 01:29 |
kaeza |
we are not Debian!â„¢ |
| 01:29 |
VanessaE |
haha |
| 01:30 |
us|0gb |
Wait, we're Debian? Hold the release then. We aren't due for it yet. |
| 01:30 |
* Peacock |
roots for debiarch, or archian XD |
| 01:31 |
VanessaE |
ha |
| 01:31 |
VanessaE |
ha! |
| 01:31 |
Peacock |
something with the testing and package management of debian, but the up-to-dateness of arch |
| 01:32 |
Peacock |
unfortunately my dists thread didn't reveal an OS i haven't tried :( lol |
| 01:33 |
paramat |
proller, 'mapgen_indev.cpp:140' defines the perlin offset, nothing to do with seed :) i'll continue to search ... thanks for the help |
| 01:37 |
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| 01:39 |
us|0gb |
Debian's testedness and Arch's cutting edgeness are opposites. Asking for both is like asking for a pixel that is both #ff0000 and #00ff00. |
| 01:40 |
Peacock |
oo, slackware 14.1 released, critics reassessed StarShip Troopers, and the ECB cut it's interest rate |
| 01:40 |
Peacock |
ogb well in other words, id take an arch version that makes sure they don't push changes that will instantly bork my system |
| 01:40 |
zat |
us|0gb: what about #ffff00 |
| 01:41 |
Peacock |
what looks like a few innocuous updates end up being a wasted saturday night |
| 01:41 |
us|0gb |
That isn't both colors though. It's an addition of those values. |
| 01:42 |
Peacock |
though i guess arch assumes most of their users don't have social/sex lives lol |
| 01:52 |
Peacock |
lol http://www.reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport/comments/1g5wny/security_and_hubris_or_what_drove_me_to_perform/ |
| 01:53 |
zat |
Peacock: sounds like you have a problem with Arch= |
| 01:53 |
zat |
? |
| 01:53 |
Peacock |
*had* im using #! tho thats got its' own drawbacks (debian repos ) lol |
| 01:54 |
zat |
#!? |
| 01:55 |
Peacock |
crunchbang |
| 01:56 |
zat |
so what waas your issue with Arch? |
| 01:57 |
Peacock |
the dual nature of pacman/aur repos, and updates borking shit almost each time |
| 01:57 |
paramat |
i wanna fix floatlands in time for 0.4.8 =/ |
| 01:58 |
zat |
Peacock: like what? |
| 01:58 |
zat |
sounds like could not handle its package management? |
| 01:59 |
Peacock |
like what? like glibc, like x, like a number of different things that drops me to shell instead of login screen lol |
| 01:59 |
paramat |
... so far my guess is something to do with seeddiff, farscale, farspread and how they interact ... |
| 02:00 |
zat |
so you could not setup a graphical session correctly Peacock? |
| 02:00 |
Peacock |
thats not my job, when i run sudo pacman -Syu i expect shit to be working when i restart |
| 02:01 |
zat |
that was your problem... expecting it |
| 02:01 |
Peacock |
yeah, and thats why people who's time is worth something go with the commercial offerings too :P |
| 02:01 |
zat |
Pacman gives notes as it updates, telling you what files you must mix in order to update your configs. |
| 02:02 |
zat |
or people that just cannot handle a real operating system ;) |
| 02:03 |
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| 02:03 |
Peacock |
a real operating system just works, it requires less attention and time, not more of both |
| 02:04 |
Peacock |
people who use their computers for work, games, or doing something other than hacking at bash scripts, prefer a functional setup over one that requires constant fixing ;) |
| 02:05 |
Peacock |
when devs get that, linux may be taken more seriously in the consumer and corporate markets :P (other than server setups) |
| 02:05 |
EvergreenTree |
Well, I'm out. It was a very productive day |
| 02:05 |
zat |
I must be crazy, for I have user Archlinux for five years for everything. |
| 02:05 |
zat |
(And my mother too) |
| 02:10 |
Peacock |
mother/aunt/grand-mother, ive heard that from every linux apologist :P doesn't change the fact they have to wait for the l3E7 expert to return to update the system lol |
| 02:11 |
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| 02:13 |
zat |
well, I have not updated her system in two years now that you say |
| 02:14 |
zat |
and whatever you say... it doesn’t change the fact that they will always expect someone else to do it for them even on “simple†things like windows. |
| 02:14 |
zat |
where it is usual to want a fresh install rather than an update. |
| 02:14 |
zat |
and where system updates are scary and sluggish lol |
| 02:18 |
Peacock |
dunno, ive had the exact opposite experience, when i first started using linux, i tried to convert people too, and they all invariably asked me to switch them back within a week |
| 02:18 |
Peacock |
be it shitty flash, shitty office rendering, shitty graphics, bad itunes replacements lol |
| 02:18 |
zat |
users are resistant to changes |
| 02:18 |
zat |
they feel strange in something else that is not exactly what they are used to |
| 02:19 |
Peacock |
thats what the gnome devs said and look who still uses that lol |
| 02:19 |
zat |
A lot of people use gnome |
| 02:19 |
zat |
what makes you think otherwise |
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| 02:19 |
Peacock |
no one i know in these circles lol |
| 02:19 |
zat |
that is your circle |
| 02:20 |
zat |
my girlfriend, right next to me now, she uses gnome |
| 02:20 |
Peacock |
aiight, ask the on the forums who uses gnome3 |
| 02:20 |
zat |
and like five more people I know |
| 02:20 |
zat |
your experience is no more relevant than mine |
| 02:20 |
kaeza |
first time I introduced my sister to Linux, I shower her a VBoxed Ubuntu under Windows... the thing crashed so hard that she was like "fuck no" |
| 02:20 |
Peacock |
my sister, mother and friends all hated it |
| 02:21 |
zat |
like Windows didn crash LOL |
| 02:21 |
Peacock |
one told me "linux is for people with more time than money on their hands" lol |
| 02:21 |
Sokomine |
anyone here who know enough of blender to rotate a model? |
| 02:21 |
Peacock |
XP and 7 never crashed for me, i dualboot |
| 02:21 |
zat |
Sokomine: there is a button for that, maybe the R key as shortcut I think. |
| 02:21 |
zat |
Peacock: Archlinux never crashed for me, XP always crashed for me. |
| 02:21 |
zat |
My experience has more relevance. ;) |
| 02:21 |
Peacock |
the only reason i tried linux was because WinME seriously sucked, but that was a long time ago, and while windows has advanced, lin has been somewhat going in circles |
| 02:22 |
Sokomine |
hmpf. i don't know blender. i just need a model rotated. and i don't know weather 90 or 270 degree would be right |
| 02:22 |
zat |
In respect of what Peacock? |
| 02:22 |
Sokomine |
if you're happy with windows, then use it. as long as you force no one else to use that *censored* :-) |
| 02:22 |
Peacock |
in respect to constantly swapping components that work to the detriment of bugs and missing features |
| 02:22 |
zat |
Peacock: your experience. |
| 02:23 |
zat |
highly biased also |
| 02:23 |
Peacock |
yeah and what experiences do the zealots use? lol |
| 02:23 |
Peacock |
biased because i dualboot? lol |
| 02:23 |
* Peacock |
senses M$ shill comment coming |
| 02:23 |
zat |
biased because you only present your opinion as the absolute truth for everything |
| 02:23 |
zat |
Your sense fail, sorry |
| 02:23 |
Peacock |
no i present my opinion, your confusing me for the FSF lol |
| 02:24 |
zat |
I don’t even talk about MS, it doesn’t worry me. |
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| 02:25 |
Peacock |
you implied that windows crashes (alot?), though im not sure that compensates for updates completely borking a system or missing features |
| 02:25 |
zat |
Peacock: your experience~ |
| 02:25 |
Peacock |
yeah, so? lol quit saying, what are you basing all your own statements on? |
| 02:25 |
zat |
I have not had a buggy update in probably two years. |
| 02:26 |
Peacock |
in your experience |
| 02:26 |
zat |
Why is your experience more relevant than mine? |
| 02:26 |
zat |
;) |
| 02:26 |
Peacock |
well you keep saying my opinions are based on my experience, im simply returning the favour :-) |
| 02:27 |
zat |
Well, so give me an objective argument. |
| 02:27 |
Peacock |
your grandma or mine? because no one i introduced to linux though it was objectively better then what they had before |
| 02:28 |
zat |
that is not objective |
| 02:28 |
zat |
you only talk about experiences |
| 02:28 |
zat |
and experiences of inexperienced people that are scared of new things naturally |
| 02:29 |
Peacock |
so anyone that doesn't like linux is either a moron or scared, gee where have i heard that before lol |
| 02:29 |
zat |
I didnt say that, you are saying that. |
| 02:29 |
Peacock |
im platform agnostic, im simply pointing out that windows has caught up in the last few version while linux has been somewhat stuck in a ditch, with even the newer android overtaking it in popularity |
| 02:30 |
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| 02:30 |
dafull97 |
Craigy here? |
| 02:30 |
Peacock |
linux isn't new btw lol |
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| 02:31 |
Peacock |
linux (1991), a unix-like (1969) system |
| 02:33 |
Peacock |
and i dont totally hate arch, i like it for awhile, i just wish it wasn't a high maintenance girlfriend lol |
| 02:34 |
zat |
Peacock: Windows has caught up... I would not call it that considering that Microsoft heavily invests in making manufacturers sell computers with Windows preinstalled so users learn it is the standard. |
| 02:34 |
zat |
To misinform users and make privative file formats so they can make look other office suits are not good. |
| 02:35 |
Peacock |
what do hardware manufacturers have to do with the OS itself being more usable and stable than it was in the 90s? |
| 02:35 |
zat |
All systems become more usable/stable with time. |
| 02:36 |
Peacock |
well i had the best of times with lin around 06-07 (old-school ubuntu), its been slowly but steadily increasing in maintenance requirements since |
| 02:37 |
zat |
The funny thing, users are extremely critical and intolerant about issues happening in GNU/Linux systems, like they are unforgivable. |
| 02:37 |
Peacock |
and btw, linux computer sold in store cost more than windows computers because they can put a shitton of bloatware on win computers to more than subsidize the cost of the license |
| 02:37 |
zat |
They don’t complain that Windows normally degrades and has to be installed from zero every few months. |
| 02:38 |
Peacock |
what you think windows and mac don't take shit for their bugs? lol it's only lin devs that say "its free, you cant complain" lol |
| 02:38 |
zat |
what are bugtrackers for then |
| 02:38 |
Peacock |
every few months... what do you think distro-hopping is? either shit got borked or the user got fed up with whatever dist they were using |
| 02:39 |
us`0gb |
That's why I kept switching. |
| 02:39 |
Peacock |
i seriously do hope linux gets better, but i also recognize so long as it's fanboys are unwilling to look at it critically, shit won't get fixed |
| 02:40 |
us`0gb |
I plan to switch again once Guix is stabilized. |
| 02:40 |
Peacock |
Guix, thats a new one? |
| 02:40 |
us`0gb |
It is indeed. |
| 02:40 |
us`0gb |
Not yet ready for everyday use though. |
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| 02:42 |
Peacock |
im holding out hope for a slightly more stable version of archbang, or a truly freer debian (or nonfree depending who you ask) |
| 02:42 |
Peacock |
i still have a hard time with mint :/ |
| 02:42 |
zat |
The only thing I criticize, I do not like most desktop environments. |
| 02:43 |
Peacock |
seems xfce on *buntu is slower than xfce on debian or arch |
| 02:43 |
zat |
other than that, what can I criticize? |
| 02:43 |
SmugLeaf |
xfce on gentoo |
| 02:43 |
SmugLeaf |
master race |
| 02:43 |
Peacock |
well zat, ive been using linux for nigh onto 10 or 12 years, ive had a long list of issues over those years but i wont start posting it all here now for everyone's sake lol |
| 02:44 |
zat |
I really cannot believe you have been for 10 or 12 years and you call it linux. |
| 02:44 |
zat |
The name of the OSes are the name of the distributions. |
| 02:45 |
SmugLeaf |
what |
| 02:45 |
SmugLeaf |
no |
| 02:45 |
SmugLeaf |
linux is linux |
| 02:45 |
Peacock |
its linux, not GNU linux, not Ubuntu, its linux lol |
| 02:45 |
SmugLeaf |
well specifically linux is the kernel |
| 02:45 |
zat |
Right SmugLeaf, just the kernel. |
| 02:45 |
Peacock |
yes if people want to be anal, linux is the kernel, but none of it would exist without linux lol |
| 02:45 |
SmugLeaf |
you could kind of get away with refering to the userspace as the distro name |
| 02:45 |
Peacock |
thats why we call it linux |
| 02:46 |
Peacock |
distro is simply a combination of different components |
| 02:46 |
SmugLeaf |
since the distros use such different userspace configs |
| 02:46 |
Peacock |
most of which hinge on the package manager and DE |
| 02:46 |
zat |
Peacock: there are distros that can optionally use BSD or Hurd. |
| 02:46 |
us`0gb |
Actually, GNU existed long before Linux and convinced Torvalds to release Linux under the GNU license. |
| 02:46 |
kaeza |
HURRD |
| 02:46 |
Peacock |
yeah ive heard of Arch Hurd, never tried that tho |
| 02:46 |
SmugLeaf |
hurrrrrrr |
| 02:46 |
SmugLeaf |
portage on freebsd |
| 02:46 |
SmugLeaf |
gentoo master race |
| 02:47 |
zat |
Originally GNU project was going to use Hurd as kernel. |
| 02:47 |
Peacock |
yes GNU existed before linux, but it still took longer to finish hurd |
| 02:47 |
SmugLeaf |
does the GNU kernel boot anything yet? |
| 02:47 |
SmugLeaf |
it's still dead right? |
| 02:47 |
Peacock |
and torvalds didn't really care about GNU |
| 02:47 |
Peacock |
"I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be big and professional like gnu)" - Linus |
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| 02:48 |
SmugLeaf |
shit |
| 02:48 |
SmugLeaf |
I started with linux in highschool |
| 02:48 |
SmugLeaf |
that makes it close to 10 years now |
| 02:48 |
SmugLeaf |
i'm so old |
| 02:48 |
SmugLeaf |
;_; |
| 02:48 |
SmugLeaf |
RIP binge drunking |
| 02:48 |
Peacock |
though that didn't stop stallman from muscling in on the credit and trying to take over a few critical projects like glibc (http://www.redhat.com/archives/redhat-install-list/2001-August/msg00346.html) |
| 02:49 |
us`0gb |
Hurd works sort of, but not really. BUt you can't say "without Linux, we wouldn't have" any more than you can say that about GNU. |
| 02:49 |
us`0gb |
GNU contributed much more to the system. |
| 02:49 |
Peacock |
GNU needs linux more than linux needed GNU, that's what it boils down to :P |
| 02:49 |
SmugLeaf |
^ |
| 02:49 |
us`0gb |
And the GNU project is the one that assembled the pieces, nit the Linux team. |
| 02:49 |
Peacock |
without Linus, none of it would have taken off |
| 02:49 |
zat |
If there was no linux, there would be other kernel. |
| 02:49 |
SmugLeaf |
android uses a non-GNU userspace |
| 02:50 |
SmugLeaf |
zat: how old was the GNU userspace before linus made a kernel? |
| 02:50 |
Peacock |
and i wouldn't place my faith in a man like stallman who thinks paedophilia, necrophilia, and eating shit off your feet is OK |
| 02:50 |
zat |
SmugLeaf: I dont know |
| 02:51 |
us`0gb |
Actually, the GNU team fought tooth and nail to make this happen. Linux was only the final piece of the puzzle. |
| 02:51 |
dafull97 |
us`0gb |
| 02:51 |
dafull97 |
pm please |
| 02:51 |
us`0gb |
Peacock: I think some of what Stallman thinks is garbage. But that doesn't mean it all is. |
| 02:51 |
Peacock |
i think he's mentally ill |
| 02:52 |
Peacock |
i also think the FSF is a cult, its got a guru, dogma, followers, and it asks for money |
| 02:52 |
Peacock |
neither the leader or it's followers seem terribly mentally stable |
| 02:52 |
zat |
Peacock: so what are the problem with GNU/Linux distros? |
| 02:52 |
zat |
only how stable are the packages they push to repos |
| 02:52 |
zat |
? |
| 02:53 |
us`0gb |
The open source group asks for money as well. I think the Linux FOundation does too. |
| 02:53 |
Peacock |
yeah but all the zealots i meet are from the fsf |
| 02:53 |
Peacock |
thats the difference between a nonprofit and a cult |
| 02:54 |
us`0gb |
I've seen many Windows zealots. I haven't watched for Linux ones, but it's not only GNU. |
| 02:54 |
Peacock |
linux, linus, BSD licenses, they believe in mixing and coexistence, the fsf and the gpl don't lol |
| 02:54 |
kaeza |
^ |
| 02:54 |
zat |
Wat, the worst fanboys ever are Free-BDS and Python ones. |
| 02:55 |
zat |
BSD* |
| 02:55 |
Peacock |
funny, even though windows makes up a much bigger market share, i meet fewer of it's zealots than i do linux zealots, (not saying they dont exist, i also hate mac fanbois) |
| 02:55 |
us`0gb |
Peacock: That's because of what we believe. We believe that those things are bad, and therefore, mixing with them isn't something we desire. |
| 02:56 |
kaeza |
"bad"? |
| 02:56 |
zat |
Windows users are normally users that cannot define what operating system means. |
| 02:56 |
kaeza |
you make it sound way worse than it is |
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Menche |
I once told my uncle, who uses Windows, that I use linux. His question: "Linux? Is that sort of like Explorer?" |
| 02:57 |
us`0gb |
Actually, I was putting it lightly, not making it out like it was as big of an issue as I feel it is. |
| 02:57 |
Peacock |
ogb: key word being "believe", and thats why i treat you guys as a cult lol |
| 02:57 |
zat |
Menche: once I was asked: “I heard you use a Windows linux, how is it like?†|
| 02:57 |
Peacock |
notions of good, evil, bad, good, those are religious concepts |
| 02:57 |
kaeza |
yes, I won't say that M$ are some kind of holy man, |
| 02:58 |
Peacock |
naw, MS is a business, like mac, they're in it for the money, does that make them evil? |
| 02:58 |
us`0gb |
I used that word to seem less like I'm telling you off. |
| 02:58 |
us`0gb |
It's not about money. |
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kaeza |
but you are putting the hobbyist programmers, who release binaries but not the source ("freeware") in the same bag as the "evil" people |
| 02:58 |
zat |
Not evil exactly, but their strategy to try keeping market share are bad. |
| 02:58 |
dmitryk1 |
Hi All |
| 02:58 |
Peacock |
yeah well like alot of guys before you, you talk to me about beliefs, good guys and bad guys, it all sounds terribly dogmatic |
| 02:58 |
zat |
Microsoft likes misinforming users. |
| 02:58 |
kaeza |
dmitryk1, hi |
| 02:59 |
us`0gb |
kaeza: Exactly. |
| 02:59 |
Peacock |
zat most people live in countries where there are monopolies over one industry or another |
| 02:59 |
zat |
Peacock: ???? |
| 02:59 |
us`0gb |
Peacock: Morality is subjective. I don't know what you want in that regard. |
| 02:59 |
dmitryk1 |
Has anybody debug minetest in VS2010? Can help me? |
| 03:00 |
Peacock |
Russia is an energy producer, do you decry Gazprom? |
| 03:00 |
zat |
I cannot keep discussing now, I need to sleep. |
| 03:00 |
Peacock |
the US is IT and defense, obviously theyre going to have big players too |
| 03:00 |
Peacock |
*and finance |
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zat |
EH sorry, before a leave... |
| 03:01 |
kaeza |
dmitryk1, what problems are you having |
| 03:01 |
kaeza |
? |
| 03:01 |
kaeza |
hi again zat :P |
| 03:01 |
zat |
Please someone try my damn new rollback!!!!! |
| 03:02 |
zat |
kaeza: ::) |
| 03:05 |
dmitryk1 |
kaeza, I get all sources from git, get irrlicht jthread and zlib, get from old and run minetest.vcproj and get errors about not found some file |
| 03:06 |
dmitryk1 |
example: error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'irrTypes.h': No such file or directory |
| 03:07 |
dmitryk1 |
but it put in minetest\irrlicht\irrlicht-1.8\include\irrTypes.h |
| 03:08 |
dmitryk1 |
May send me working vss project and sourses? |
| 03:09 |
dmitryk1 |
I have error after install mods and want look why |
| 03:11 |
kaeza |
well, you could have started with that |
| 03:11 |
dmitryk1 |
I very small understand c++ and hope can find error reason |
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kaeza |
what is the error you get from the mods (and which mod(s) are we talking about)? |
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| 03:11 |
kaeza |
(look at the end of debug.txt) |
| 03:12 |
Peacock |
i usually get warnings about irrtypes.h too when i compile, but it proceeds anyways :S |
| 03:12 |
dmitryk1 |
In thread 2448: ..\..\src\minetest\src\nodedef.cpp:500: CNodeDefManager::set: Assertion 'c <= 0xfff' failed. Debug stacks: DEBUG STACK FOR THREAD 2448: #0 main |
| 03:13 |
kaeza |
dmitryk1, too many mods installed |
| 03:13 |
kaeza |
(actually, too many items defined) |
| 03:14 |
dmitryk1 |
I find htis in forum byt hope what it my mistake |
| 03:14 |
Peacock |
didn;t they pull V's fix for the node count? |
| 03:15 |
kaeza |
Peacock, I think that only fixes the "dummy" nodedefs for unknown items |
| 03:15 |
kaeza |
not "real" items |
| 03:15 |
kaeza |
not sure :P |
| 03:15 |
zat |
ok thx |
| 03:15 |
zat |
cya |
| 03:16 |
kaeza |
night zat |
| 03:17 |
kaeza |
dmitryk1, can you paste a listing of your mods ( http://pastebin.com ) ? |
| 03:17 |
dmitryk1 |
i read about around 2000 nodes. it very small |
| 03:18 |
dmitryk1 |
kaeza, directory? |
| 03:18 |
kaeza |
minetest\mods\ |
| 03:23 |
dmitryk1 |
http://pastebin.com/RW4yxGRY |
| 03:24 |
Peacock |
tabarnacle, thats a full file list lol |
| 03:24 |
VanessaE |
uch. backslashes for path elements.... a travesty. |
| 03:24 |
VanessaE |
:)_ |
| 03:25 |
NekoGloop |
VanessaE, I'm taking an operating systems class, and after the DOS section? I agree. |
| 03:25 |
kaeza |
wait... |
| 03:25 |
kaeza |
0.4.5 ??? |
| 03:25 |
VanessaE |
NekoGloop: yep. Now you know why they went that way. stupid, wasn't it? |
| 03:25 |
us-0gb |
I remember 0.4.5. That one was a good one. |
| 03:25 |
Peacock |
and why run minetest from \Backup\? |
| 03:25 |
Peacock |
0.4.6 was the best :P |
| 03:25 |
NekoGloop |
let's use - |
| 03:26 |
Peacock |
NG you should do network admin, lots of jobs |
| 03:26 |
us-0gb |
I liked 0.4.5 better than 0.4.6, but I like 0.4.8 (?) better than both. |
| 03:26 |
Peacock |
or android dev, but ugh, java lol |
| 03:26 |
VanessaE |
the latest homedecor and moretrees now require git from this evening btw. moreblocks and ilights will also if my pulls go into those two repos :) |
| 03:26 |
dmitryk1 |
:) it's global backup |
| 03:26 |
Peacock |
odd, i had more bugs/performance issues with 0.4.5, but 0.4.6 was smooth as data's bottom |
| 03:27 |
kaeza |
dmitryk1, try updating to some latest build for windows |
| 03:28 |
kaeza |
this seems to be one of the most recent: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1523 |
| 03:28 |
kaeza |
... |
| 03:28 |
kaeza |
dat avatar sfan5 |
| 03:28 |
dmitryk1 |
VanessaE, I look like you mods |
| 03:29 |
Peacock |
he should go with one of the my little pony avatars XD |
| 03:29 |
dmitryk1 |
kaeza, I download latest version... Or no? |
| 03:29 |
VanessaE |
you what? |
| 03:29 |
kaeza |
dmitryk1, yes |
| 03:29 |
Peacock |
btw, one of the moderators handy with GIT, what would you say about an archive thread of the various minetest versions? |
| 03:31 |
kaeza |
at least PA and sfan have an archive AFAIK |
| 03:31 |
kaeza |
including some forks |
| 03:32 |
dmitryk1 |
VanessaE, sorry for my english :) |
| 03:32 |
VanessaE |
it's ok :) |
| 03:33 |
Peacock |
or maybe the minetest website could have previous version DLs of the source? |
| 03:34 |
VanessaE |
It used to. |
| 03:34 |
Peacock |
alot of projects do |
| 03:35 |
Peacock |
id like to test my space game on 0.4.6 but i dont know the appropriate git hieroglyphs lol |
| 03:39 |
dmitryk1 |
I found 0.4.7 minetest. Is it only 2000 nodes too? |
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dmitryk1 |
0.4.7 is crash too |
| 03:41 |
dmitryk1 |
is has plan to lager max nodes count? |
| 03:42 |
dmitryk1 |
and what about VS project? |
| 03:51 |
Peacock |
try removing some of the bigger mods first and see if you still have problems |
| 03:52 |
VanessaE |
VS? |
| 03:53 |
Peacock |
im wondering about that too lol |
| 03:53 |
VanessaE |
and yes, later versions have more than 2000 nodes. current 0.4.8-git has 32766. |
| 03:53 |
dmitryk1 |
VS-Microsoft Visual Studio |
| 03:54 |
VanessaE |
I doubt it. |
| 03:54 |
VanessaE |
minetest aims to be platform-agnostic |
| 03:54 |
VanessaE |
(unless that's MSVC, in which case yes) |
| 03:55 |
Peacock |
Microsoft Vietcong? |
| 03:55 |
VanessaE |
wait, visual studio is visual basic, yes? |
| 03:55 |
dmitryk1 |
VanessaE, yes, but you can write platform-agnostic on ms product. |
| 03:56 |
VanessaE |
hm |
| 03:57 |
dmitryk1 |
VanessaE? Ha! Yes. And Visual C++, J++,Java,Jscript,C# and others |
| 03:57 |
VanessaE |
well, there is an MSVC hook of some kind. |
| 03:57 |
VanessaE |
but as a Visual Studio project? doubt it. |
| 03:58 |
* VanessaE |
will stick to Linux :) |
| 03:58 |
dmitryk1 |
You not like developers on windows? |
| 03:58 |
VanessaE |
I don't like windows at all |
| 03:59 |
Peacock |
im curious about the differences between cpp and c#, since i find cpp to be a mess |
| 03:59 |
VanessaE |
but the decision to allow for MS product support is not mine, that's up to the core dev team |
| 03:59 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: C# bears more resemblance to Java than to C, as I'm told. |
| 03:59 |
dmitryk1 |
Sorry. I Think I can halp You to write this good game. |
| 04:00 |
VanessaE |
dmitryk1: help is always welcome |
| 04:00 |
VanessaE |
but you'll have to work within the current framework for now I guess |
| 04:01 |
dmitryk1 |
I think what c++ code can write on any platform and late compile on another. |
| 04:02 |
dmitryk1 |
linux only+minetest in develop so strange |
| 04:02 |
Menche |
strange? |
| 04:02 |
Menche |
how? |
| 04:03 |
dmitryk1 |
Its "platform-agnostic" |
| 04:03 |
VanessaE |
minetest isn't linux-only. |
| 04:04 |
VanessaE |
that's just what most of the devs use, but some folks develop it on windows too |
| 04:05 |
dmitryk1 |
And then i try ask about Win develop You joke about it :) |
| 04:05 |
Menche |
why can't you develop it on Win? |
| 04:05 |
VanessaE |
well, to be fair, windows is a bit of a joke ;) |
| 04:05 |
VanessaE |
oh, Menche... --> msg |
| 04:06 |
dmitryk1 |
Yes. Can anybody windows developer help me to start? Can you give me some contacts? |
| 04:08 |
dmitryk1 |
VanessaE, I understand, you not like windows :) |
| 04:09 |
* VanessaE |
pokes at NekoGloop |
| 04:09 |
VanessaE |
he knows windows fairly well, but not core dev stuff |
| 04:09 |
* NekoGloop |
yawns |
| 04:09 |
Peacock |
V, if windows were a joke howcome we're a fraction of windows users? :P |
| 04:10 |
kaeza |
dmitryk1, the only one I know that compiles natively on Windows is BlockMen (search the forums) |
| 04:10 |
kaeza |
other devs crosscompile from Linux |
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Peacock |
and why would (professional) game devs take it more seriously than they take us lol |
| 04:15 |
dmitryk1 |
kaeza, thank I try to find him. |
| 04:16 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: because it's THAT big of a joke? :) |
| 04:16 |
us-0gb |
I wonder how hard it would be to write an auto-respond script for when someone mentions my name on IRC .... |
| 04:17 |
Peacock |
if you thought that many people were dumb you wouldn't believe in democracy :-) |
| 04:17 |
us-0gb |
I guess it would depend on the IRC client. |
| 04:17 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: dumb + democracy = USA. 'nuff said? :D |
| 04:17 |
* us-0gb |
nods |
| 04:17 |
Menche |
technically, representative democracy or republic. different things. |
| 04:18 |
Peacock |
well if you don't like free markets and democracy your fellow americans could suggest places you might enjoy more, like north Korea or the middle east :P |
| 04:18 |
us-0gb |
So we are a country of dumb people who can't vote directly. |
| 04:18 |
VanessaE |
free market? what's that? |
| 04:18 |
VanessaE |
oh |
| 04:18 |
VanessaE |
you mean that thing we allegedly have, but don't in actuality? |
| 04:19 |
us-0gb |
Yeah, that. |
| 04:19 |
VanessaE |
. |
| 04:19 |
Peacock |
well if you really believed that you'd apply for refugee status in China |
| 04:20 |
NekoGloop |
VanessaE, what is this, doodle god? |
| 04:20 |
NekoGloop |
how do I make dumb and democracy |
| 04:20 |
VanessaE |
? |
| 04:20 |
us-0gb |
Not really. Life here is more comfortable than in China. |
| 04:20 |
VanessaE |
I poked you because you know windows, and dmitryk1 needs help with minetest dev under that platform |
| 04:20 |
Peacock |
it amazes me how people who receive generous benefits from their government can also rail against their own countries |
| 04:20 |
Menche |
a new forum member with 1 post just reported a post by a moderator. the reason he gave: "Dont Care!" (sic) |
| 04:21 |
VanessaE |
? |
| 04:21 |
kaeza |
wat |
| 04:21 |
NekoGloop |
VanessaE, i was talking about "dumb + democracy = USA" |
| 04:22 |
NekoGloop |
well ok i know that but uhhh how do i get dumb and democracy |
| 04:22 |
VanessaE |
NekoGloop: you can't argue against the fact that the vast majority of voters in this country leave their brains at home when they go to the polls |
| 04:22 |
NekoGloop |
what elements to i combine |
| 04:23 |
Peacock |
in any case you're much more likely to have a tea-party dictatorship than a left-wing dictatorship, so i'd thank my lucky stars you have democracy lol |
| 04:23 |
VanessaE |
NekoGloop: mix one part congresscritters with three parts attack ads, then carefulyl fold in two parts money and a dash of television. bake at 350 for 4 months. |
| 04:24 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: don't get me wrong, I'm glass we have the system we have (to a degree; it's a republic, not a democracy), but if you watch what goes on here from our perspective, well...its just going to shit :( |
| 04:24 |
Peacock |
and you think the 70s werent bad? |
| 04:24 |
Peacock |
the US has always rebounded |
| 04:24 |
VanessaE |
and the voters cast their ballots from emotion and party lines, not intelligence. |
| 04:25 |
VanessaE |
I'm sure it'll rebound, but when? |
| 04:25 |
Peacock |
i mean, you get benefits, you have a house, thats more than i have working |
| 04:25 |
Peacock |
so the US cant be that bad a place |
| 04:25 |
VanessaE |
I have a house I pay $720 USD a month for, and it's a rental. |
| 04:26 |
Peacock |
thats more than i could afford on benefits |
| 04:26 |
VanessaE |
I have benefits I earned every penny of, that wouldn't even pay the rent + electric if Abe and I weren't together. |
| 04:27 |
Peacock |
well i do contracts, my wife does hours, and we only have a decent flat, though i dont rail nearly as much against my own country lol |
| 04:27 |
Peacock |
and trust me, you ain't seen monopolies until you've been to Canada |
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| 04:27 |
VanessaE |
I rail against the government, not the country. |
| 04:28 |
VanessaE |
(as do most others here :) ) |
| 04:28 |
Peacock |
there aren't enough consumers here with the territory we have to justify as many players as the US has |
| 04:28 |
Peacock |
so we get fucked on wireless, phone, cable, gas |
| 04:28 |
us-0gb |
That distinction is a good point. |
| 04:28 |
Peacock |
we even pay more for cars and any product you can think of that the US has |
| 04:29 |
us-0gb |
THat's not the government lowering the prices though. |
| 04:29 |
Peacock |
naw, the last time the US tried to lower prices (homes, subprime) you got the great recession, so i'd say thats a BAD idea lol |
| 04:30 |
Peacock |
the plain fact is i couldn't survive on welfare, and barely survived the one time i was on unemployment, thats why id rather take *any* job than ever go back on unemployment lol |
| 04:31 |
VanessaE |
that was private industry doign that, Peacock |
| 04:31 |
VanessaE |
subprime referred to the interest rates, not the actual raw cost of the homes |
| 04:32 |
Peacock |
im pretty sure the subprime thing was Bush's doing |
| 04:32 |
VanessaE |
maybe he had a hand in it, but it was all private industry actually doing it |
| 04:32 |
VanessaE |
lenders and the like |
| 04:32 |
Peacock |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_policies_and_the_subprime_mortgage_crisis |
| 04:32 |
VanessaE |
the rules for lending got relaxed |
| 04:32 |
VanessaE |
private industry abused them |
| 04:33 |
VanessaE |
bubble -> burst |
| 04:33 |
Peacock |
yeah, so when the gov't sets the rules rather than private industry, you got disaster, but you still rail against private industry, explain lol |
| 04:33 |
VanessaE |
um, no |
| 04:34 |
VanessaE |
if the government says "you can give up to 5 kilos of cheese to each customer each month" and you give 4 when you can only safely sustain 4, what's gonna happen? |
| 04:34 |
VanessaE |
er give 5 when you can sustain 4. |
| 04:34 |
Peacock |
bush wanted to help americans buy homes, that lead the gov't to back risky loans, and the banks said wtf, why not.... surprised? |
| 04:34 |
dafull97 |
VanessaE |
| 04:34 |
VanessaE |
yes, dafull97 |
| 04:34 |
dafull97 |
can you do a big favor for me =) |
| 04:35 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: not surprised at all, because it was the *banks* that chose to *abuse* the options made available to them |
| 04:35 |
VanessaE |
dafull97: what? |
| 04:35 |
dafull97 |
next time you see craigydavi in here |
| 04:35 |
dafull97 |
tell him to talk to me in my email |
| 04:35 |
Peacock |
thats like blaming the drug addict even though he had plenty of enablers around him |
| 04:35 |
VanessaE |
dafull97: sure. |
| 04:35 |
dafull97 |
since we work different times |
| 04:35 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: blame the pusher as much as the addict. |
| 04:35 |
VanessaE |
but don't blame the cops for arresting them both. |
| 04:36 |
Peacock |
so you admit the government is no better than industry in setting policy, yet you lay the blame at industry's feet |
| 04:36 |
dafull97 |
thanks VanessaE.. |
| 04:36 |
VanessaE |
the government sets the rules, private industry finds ways to *abuse* the rules. loopholes and the like. |
| 04:36 |
VanessaE |
I blame the ones who actually caused the problems, not the ones who loosened the rules. |
| 04:37 |
VanessaE |
loose rules are not a license to abuse the syste, |
| 04:37 |
VanessaE |
system* |
| 04:37 |
VanessaE |
but that's exactly what private industries do |
| 04:37 |
VanessaE |
all the while raking in huge profits, and claiming at the same time that they're "losing" money |
| 04:37 |
Peacock |
private industry does what is profitable, if the government backs risky loans, then it's a no-brainer |
| 04:37 |
VanessaE |
(yeah, "losing", as in "I made a million less this month" == "I lost a million this month") |
| 04:38 |
VanessaE |
you mean like fannie mae? those are private. |
| 04:38 |
VanessaE |
or they were |
| 04:38 |
VanessaE |
now they're government-owned, in response to the crisis |
| 04:39 |
Peacock |
id propose that the fault isn't industry or the gov'ts, its the boomer voters who voted in people who made all that possible, and even then, i dont think it's a reason to deprive smarter generations of their democracy because of boomer mistakes |
| 04:39 |
VanessaE |
that's part of the problem too. |
| 04:40 |
VanessaE |
which is why I said the voters leave their brains at home. |
| 04:40 |
Peacock |
and now boomers want their benefits, and leave the kids to pay for it all |
| 04:40 |
VanessaE |
but remember, voters == private industry also. |
| 04:40 |
Peacock |
depends on which voters you're talking about |
| 04:40 |
Peacock |
i sincerely think the boomers should be made to pay their debts |
| 04:41 |
Peacock |
young people aren't stupid, they know they wont get as many benefits as boomers did, all while we pay taxes to support theirs |
| 04:41 |
VanessaE |
and those debts would be... what exactly? |
| 04:41 |
Peacock |
do you seriously think pensions and medicaid will still be there in 20 years? |
| 04:42 |
VanessaE |
pensions are a private industry thing. |
| 04:42 |
Peacock |
not here |
| 04:42 |
VanessaE |
here they are. |
| 04:42 |
VanessaE |
maybe you mean retirement. |
| 04:42 |
VanessaE |
and yes, because every working american pays into a separate fund for that, called FICA. |
| 04:42 |
VanessaE |
it's totally and completely separate from the general fund, which is the one you hear all the noise about. |
| 04:43 |
Peacock |
point is, the greatest generation (ww2 generation) built the great society, and the boomers took advantage of it while reducing their own burden in paying for it, and their children will be the ones left to pay for it, while they get nothing |
| 04:43 |
Peacock |
though because the boomers were dumb in their own choices, you think democracy is stupid by consequence |
| 04:44 |
Peacock |
though young people have access to way more information than boomers ever had |
| 04:44 |
VanessaE |
those boomers are paying in as well, you realize. |
| 04:44 |
VanessaE |
were/are |
| 04:44 |
VanessaE |
don't fall for the scare tactics |
| 04:44 |
Peacock |
boomers fucked the west, and we'll be the ones to rebuild it lol |
| 04:45 |
Peacock |
paying for it how, by deferring their retirement by 2 or 3 years? |
| 04:45 |
Peacock |
some of my friends don't think they'll ever be able to retire |
| 04:45 |
VanessaE |
I mean in taxes. |
| 04:46 |
Peacock |
the boomers have been cutting their taxes since the 80s |
| 04:46 |
Peacock |
though no one alive today thinks they can go anywhere but up |
| 04:46 |
VanessaE |
from the age of 21 until 60-65 or whatever, a portion of their pay still goes to FICA, and that portion has not decreased, afaik. |
| 04:47 |
Peacock |
and i pay for pension programs which will probably be insolvent by the time i reach retirement |
| 04:47 |
Peacock |
at least the boomers will get theirs |
| 04:48 |
Peacock |
if youre looking for someone to blame, dont blame industry or the government, blame the voters of the 70s,80s and 90s |
| 04:49 |
VanessaE |
you mean the same voters that, surprise! run private industry now? |
| 04:49 |
VanessaE |
private industry doesn't just spring forth from the ground like weeds. there are real voters at fault. |
| 04:50 |
Peacock |
it takes a majority to vote in a government, last time i checked, its not 51% of the pop. that runs industry |
| 04:50 |
Peacock |
most CEOs believe in balancing the books |
| 04:50 |
VanessaE |
it takes a majority to vote, but our electoral system doesn't count the popular vote. |
| 04:51 |
VanessaE |
a 60% majority of voters can turn into a 45-49% minority when the electoral college votes are counted. |
| 04:51 |
Peacock |
so your solution is to abolish democracy and private industry? |
| 04:51 |
Peacock |
why not move to a country that's already done it? |
| 04:51 |
VanessaE |
when did I say that? |
| 04:52 |
Peacock |
or if you dont wanna move, why not start a Coop? |
| 04:52 |
VanessaE |
the correct solution would be to get money (most of which comes from private industry) out of politics, so as to level the proverbial playing field. |
| 04:53 |
VanessaE |
without the attack ads, people would have little choice but to make up their minds for themselves. |
| 04:54 |
VanessaE |
If you advertise, don't tell me what your opponent didn't do, tell me what you will do. |
| 04:54 |
VanessaE |
99% of the ads of that flavor are candidate A attacking B directly, with as many scare tactics as they can cram into a 30 second commercil |
| 04:54 |
VanessaE |
commercial* |
| 04:55 |
Peacock |
so, removing attack ads would fix it all, or? |
| 04:55 |
VanessaE |
the actual clean, attack-free political commercial is a rare bird |
| 04:56 |
us-0gb |
VanessaE: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDEQtwIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D6TiXUF9xbTo&ei=uG58Ur60IqH9iwLC9IGQDw&usg=AFQjCNHxsacQiaW8l9fh2fOTmF2pLhzg-w&bvm=bv.56146854,d.cGE (Sorry for the long URI, I'm not on my usual system, which would have cleaned that garbage.) |
| 04:57 |
Peacock |
well, the last time i checked even negative political ads are free speech, so long as you don't advocate people committing crimes i don't see a problem |
| 04:57 |
us-0gb |
Oops, that's the wrong URI anyway. |
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us-0gb |
Never mind, that was the right URI. |
| 04:58 |
Peacock |
lol |
| 04:58 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: freedom of speech does not mean freedom to attack. |
| 04:58 |
VanessaE |
"You can't yell 'fire!' in a crowded theater" |
| 04:58 |
Peacock |
freedom of speech means being able to say whatever the fuck you want, no matter how dumb |
| 04:59 |
VanessaE |
us-0gb: care to summarize? not really in the mood to watch a video. |
| 04:59 |
Peacock |
if people are dumb enough to commit crimes based on that, then they should be jailed, none of that liberal BS about good behaviour letting them out early |
| 04:59 |
* paramat |
may have just solved the core floatland discontinuity bug =) |
| 04:59 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: sure, but freedom of speech needs some limits, otherwise it devolves to anarchy |
| 04:59 |
VanessaE |
those same dumb people are who VOTE and when they do that, they affect ME. |
| 05:00 |
VanessaE |
your freedom of speech stops where my wallet begins. |
| 05:00 |
Peacock |
dunno, the same people who thinks there should be limits on free speech seem to think the general populace is too dumb to make up their own minds about what's right and wrong |
| 05:00 |
VanessaE |
yeah, because those people are *kept* dumb. Not that they're naturally stupid. |
| 05:01 |
VanessaE |
try living in this country for say 10-15 years. you'll change your tune real quick :) |
| 05:01 |
Peacock |
id hate to live in a country that tells me what i can and can't say because some people might be too dumb to interpret it correctly |
| 05:02 |
VanessaE |
paramat: I've been wondering.. how much of your work can (will) be translated into new C++ mapgen features? Some of the shit you do is just plain awesome. |
| 05:02 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: you mean the same country that says money == free speech? |
| 05:02 |
Peacock |
i think actual crimes should be prosecuted, correctly, without the liberal bias, and not bother the state with thoughtcrime |
| 05:03 |
VanessaE |
I agree there. |
| 05:03 |
us-0gb |
VanessaE: Basically an attack on another candidate. An example of what you were talking about. |
| 05:03 |
Peacock |
well limits on free speech is essential thoughtcrime |
| 05:03 |
VanessaE |
us-0gb: right. exactly my point then. |
| 05:03 |
Peacock |
and thoughtcrime is subjective on the person(s) in power not agreeing with the message |
| 05:03 |
us-0gb |
paramat: Awesome! |
| 05:03 |
paramat |
V, all of it can, but im hesitant to get that deeply involved in the core, as a modder i can work alone and freely :) |
| 05:03 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: getting on TV and influencing MILLIONS to some particular action that leads to the further downfall of this country is not a thoughtcrime |
| 05:04 |
VanessaE |
paramat: fair enough :) |
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paramat |
heh i was about to learn C++ but then LVM came along, i may be able to do everything i want in lua mods and games |
| 05:05 |
Peacock |
well the only thing i can recommend to the US is to change to a system that allows more than 2 parties |
| 05:05 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: the system DOES allow more than two. there are about half a dozen. |
| 05:05 |
VanessaE |
problem is getting them into higher officies. |
| 05:05 |
Peacock |
though i can understand that after being a colony of the UK you wanted nothing to do with the parliamentary system |
| 05:05 |
VanessaE |
offices* |
| 05:06 |
VanessaE |
I think at present there are one or two independents in the House, out of 532 total (there are 3 empty seats) |
| 05:06 |
VanessaE |
the secondary problem is some of those third-party candidates are just bat-shit insane :) |
| 05:07 |
Peacock |
well parliamentary systems help with the formation of new parties |
| 05:07 |
Peacock |
if you prefer coalition gov'ts as i do, then proportional rep also helps |
| 05:08 |
Peacock |
though you wont change anyone's vote by telling them it's industrys' or govts' fault |
| 05:08 |
VanessaE |
Right now we have the Dempcrats, Republicans, the Tea Party, Libertarians, Green Party, and one or two others that I don't remember right now |
| 05:08 |
Peacock |
if anything you'll drive them to the tea party |
| 05:08 |
VanessaE |
Democrats* |
| 05:10 |
VanessaE |
hell there are couple dozen in total actually. |
| 05:10 |
VanessaE |
the Constitution party was the other major one. |
| 05:11 |
Peacock |
so, essentially, you dont think there's anything wrong with industry, its more the political system that sticks you with two choices that have a chance of winning? |
| 05:11 |
VanessaE |
it's both. |
| 05:11 |
VanessaE |
the private industries support the two main parties, who support them, in a self-reinforcing cycle. |
| 05:11 |
Peacock |
well if you wanna change things id pick 1 goal and work at it |
| 05:12 |
VanessaE |
the end result is third-party candidates have little to no chance at higher offices and virtually zero chance at getting into a proper televised debate. |
| 05:12 |
Peacock |
hell, you americans can recall some of your representatives, we can't even do that in Toronto with our crack-smoking mayor |
| 05:13 |
VanessaE |
I wish we could. problem is no one's got enough gumption to do it. everyone's got their 6-packof bud and american idle. |
| 05:14 |
Peacock |
well then democracy's not the problem, the voters are |
| 05:14 |
VanessaE |
I vote for whoever makes the most sense, from a purely rational standpoint, but I am one person out of around 130 million. |
| 05:14 |
VanessaE |
(who vote) |
| 05:15 |
Peacock |
well in the last few years i've been voting separatist since i dont like the direction Canada's been taking |
| 05:16 |
VanessaE |
two things would fix the problem: get rid of the winner-takes-all, first-past-the-post system of electoral votes, and repeal/overturn Citizens United. |
| 05:17 |
VanessaE |
49 of the 50 states give all their electoral votes to only one candidate or the other, regardless of the popular vote in that state, so if 50.0001% of the voters in a state go republican, let's say, then the whole state does, rather than giving (int(50% of electoral votes) + 1) to that party and the rest to whoever else. |
| 05:17 |
VanessaE |
(the exception is Nebraska, who did exactly that) |
| 05:18 |
us-0gb |
The whole electoral college thing is a bad idea. |
| 05:18 |
us-0gb |
It's not just the implementation. |
| 05:18 |
VanessaE |
it was a good idea when votes took weeks to count and there were only 13 colonies. |
| 05:18 |
VanessaE |
now it's just stupid |
| 05:18 |
us-0gb |
Weeks to count ... ha, we don't have that anymore. |
| 05:19 |
paramat |
hmmmm, would you be interested in fixing the core floatlands bug together with proller and myself? i believe the bug is caused by an incremented noise index in a [x[z[y]]] mapgen loop, which of course creates discontinuous terrain across chunk boundaries |
| 05:20 |
paramat |
... https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/mapgen_indev.cpp#L347 |
| 05:21 |
VanessaE |
in fact the 2012 election was a perfect example. 336 vs 206 electoral votes, in favor of obama. That's 50% more for obama vs. rmoney. the popular vote tells a different story: they were separated by only about 4 percent (in favor of obama) |
| 05:21 |
Peacock |
well judging from the 1st bush election it still tooks weeks to count lol |
| 05:21 |
VanessaE |
had the electoral votes at least been counted by district than by state, the results would have more closely matched the popular votr. |
| 05:21 |
paramat |
noise index needs to be calculated per node instead of incremented +1 each time |
| 05:21 |
VanessaE |
vote* |
| 05:22 |
VanessaE |
(not that the outcome would have changed) |
| 05:22 |
VanessaE |
ok bush's first election was a clusterfuck :) |
| 05:22 |
VanessaE |
I'll grant you that |
| 05:22 |
Menche |
i forget which, but there have been a few elections where the winner of the popular vote lost the electoral vote |
| 05:23 |
VanessaE |
yes |
| 05:23 |
VanessaE |
in fact wasn't one of bush's elections like that? |
| 05:24 |
VanessaE |
yes |
| 05:24 |
VanessaE |
the 2000 election |
| 05:24 |
Peacock |
though in the end, just because voters are dumb and the system needs an update, doesn't mean i think democracy should be abandoned |
| 05:24 |
VanessaE |
48.4% of the popular vote went to Gore (vs. 47.9% to Bush), but Bush won the electoral college by 5 votes. |
| 05:25 |
Peacock |
if people aren't happy with that system theres always china were politics and industry is regulated by the state |
| 05:25 |
Peacock |
*where |
| 05:25 |
paramat |
hmm-mm, it should be a quick fix, i'm sure it can be done in time for 0.4.8 |
| 05:25 |
VanessaE |
people have no ability to change the system anymore |
| 05:25 |
VanessaE |
it's too ingrained. |
| 05:25 |
Peacock |
and they have more power in leftist china? |
| 05:25 |
Peacock |
we've seen left governments all throughout history, they had even less freedom |
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VanessaE |
just because country A is bad and country B is better doesn't mean country isn't also bad. |
| 05:27 |
* paramat |
sits back with popcorn ... |
| 05:27 |
VanessaE |
it just means country A is worse. |
| 05:28 |
Peacock |
so knocking country B's institutions to make them more in line with country A's doesn't make things better either |
| 05:28 |
Peacock |
ideally people should teach their kids to be better judges of character, because no matter what system you have, you'll always have people willing to take advantage of the situation |
| 05:30 |
Peacock |
no matter where the power rests, you'll always find parasite there |
| 05:30 |
Peacock |
*parasites |
| 05:30 |
VanessaE |
yep |
| 05:30 |
Peacock |
at least in a democratic system, you can vote them out |
| 05:31 |
Peacock |
even shareholders can |
| 05:31 |
VanessaE |
if you're lucky enough to get a chance to vote them out. |
| 05:31 |
Peacock |
well you have to become part of the equation |
| 05:31 |
VanessaE |
we have a secondary problem: do you vote for the garbage, or the trash? |
| 05:32 |
paramat |
in the UK democracy is the illusion of choice, the parties can change very little, and are virtually identical, the system is in power and cannot be voted out |
| 05:32 |
Peacock |
well if you think all the choices are bad, why not try to support someone you think is good, or become a candidate yourself? at least then you can say you tried |
| 05:32 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: did I not already say that I do exactly that? |
| 05:32 |
Peacock |
well by support i mean more than just vote |
| 05:32 |
VanessaE |
I vote for whoever makes the most rational sense, I don't give two shits about parties. |
| 05:32 |
VanessaE |
I do what I can, which is not much. |
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Peacock |
well you're good with computers and the net, that's something all politicians need |
| 05:33 |
Peacock |
these days half the campaigns are waged online |
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VanessaE |
that's what facebook is for :) |
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hmmmm |
paramat, he cannot do what he's doing |
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Peacock |
well if i met a politician i could actually believe in, i'd give my time, but since i think the system could only be made worse by the present lot, i dont bother, thought i dont advocate abolishing freedoms and rights either |
| 05:37 |
hmmmm |
x, z, y order is not unit stride for either 2d or 3d noise |
| 05:37 |
hmmmm |
there is absolutely no surprise the result is screwed up |
| 05:37 |
paramat |
yep |
| 05:37 |
hmmmm |
in order to fix the 2d, what he can do is flip z and x |
| 05:37 |
paramat |
funny its related to what we were discussing |
| 05:37 |
hmmmm |
but it'd be a better idea to just calculate the 3d and only increment the 3d |
| 05:38 |
paramat |
okay |
| 05:38 |
hmmmm |
i am looking at the source right now and there's no reason in particular why you'd need to iterate in the y direction with the innermost loop |
| 05:38 |
paramat |
correct |
| 05:38 |
hmmmm |
so what I'd suggest is changing the loop order to z, y, x, keeping the increment on the 3d noise index |
| 05:39 |
paramat |
the loop order only needs to be [x[z[y]]] in my lua mod version |
| 05:39 |
hmmmm |
then for the 2d noise, calculating in by z * scanline_size + x |
| 05:39 |
hmmmm |
s/in/it/ |
| 05:39 |
paramat |
yes |
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hmmmm |
zstride = node_max.X - node_min.X + 1; |
| 05:40 |
hmmmm |
so int index2d = z * zstride + z; |
| 05:40 |
hmmmm |
+ x |
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paramat |
ive added comments to the closed pull request https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/555 |
| 05:41 |
hmmmm |
so like, proller wrote that and decided, "yep this works good enough, I have no need to fix it before committing" |
| 05:41 |
hmmmm |
see I rely on his own word that his stuff works |
| 05:41 |
hmmmm |
but evidently that's not the case |
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paramat |
i warned him in my flolands mod thread about the flat edges :) |
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paramat |
before he merged it |
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hmmmm |
do you use the indev mapgen personally? |
| 05:42 |
paramat |
yes |
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paramat |
the big caves underground have faceted edges like a gem, they look really out of place :) |
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hmmmm |
see, the reason why I can't take it as a serious mapgen is because it's something already established + his wacky own random ideas that aren't really part of the game, hardcoded in |
| 05:43 |
paramat |
other than that i think the farlands are beautiful |
| 05:43 |
hmmmm |
for big caves he should be using negative 3d noise |
| 05:44 |
hmmmm |
his approach to large caves by just abusing the hell out of the current cave functions...... that's bad |
| 05:45 |
paramat |
so im gonna try get this fixed for 0.4.8 |
| 05:45 |
paramat |
LOL |
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paramat |
thanks for the help |
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hmmmm |
np |
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kaeza |
hrm... I get SIGSEGV when pressing enter while on a formspec using the textlist[] element |
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kaeza |
and gdb is being stupid |
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VanessaE |
using shadow's pcall_errfunc patch? |
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kaeza |
nope |
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VanessaE |
huh. weird. |
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kaeza |
but this is SIGSEGV, not a random Lua error |
| 06:08 |
VanessaE |
true |
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VanessaE |
but I did have one or two cases where a segfault arose from Lua code |
| 06:09 |
VanessaE |
took a few runs before I was able to get some error output |
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kaeza |
Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
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kaeza |
0x0955e3e4 in ?? () |
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kaeza |
thanks Obama^Wgdb |
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VanessaE |
haha |
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VanessaE |
that error is about as useful as tits on a bull :) |
| 06:10 |
VanessaE |
ok, I'm off to bed now. |
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VanessaE |
night all |
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arsdragonfly_ |
is that 10x server performance PR really that effective? |
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kaeza |
nite |
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arsdragonfly_ |
night |
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meh, so much for sleep. |
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OldCoder |
Hey |
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Rhy5 |
Hi there! |
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OldCoder |
o/ |
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OldCoder |
kahrl, Hi |
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Rhy5 |
Thats a pretty strange way to spell 'Karl' or 'Carl |
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Rhy5 |
#minetest-mods |
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OldCoder |
It is the nick he uses |
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hey |
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hey |
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Rhy5 |
Hey |
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Rhy5 |
Pay |
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Rhy5 |
Say |
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Rhy5 |
Day |
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Rhy5 |
French for ya. |
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xD |
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OldCoder |
Hey Pay Day is Far From Gray Say Tell Me the Way to Pay Day I Pray For Pay |
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Rhy5 |
Jesus man! |
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Heh |
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kahrl |
jesus was a girl |
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Peacock |
that would account for the long hair :P |
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VanessaE |
hi |
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JamesTait |
Good morning all; happy Friday and happy X-Ray Day! :-D |
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JamesTait |
john_minetest, coincidence? I think not! Put on your tinfoil hat immediately, they're on to you! |
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* john_minetest |
uses a lead hat because tinfoil isn't that safe |
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sfan5 |
hi everyone |
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EvergreenTree |
Someone needs to update the changelog: dev.minetest.net/changelog |
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EvergreenTree |
Whoops, I mean: http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog |
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EvergreenTree |
Quick question: Is there already an option to disable bones in minetest_game? |
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pitriss |
EvergreenTree: how about remove it from game? |
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EvergreenTree |
No, I was just thinking about giving the player that option |
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EvergreenTree |
Since it is just in mineteset_game you can just remove it though... |
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EvergreenTree |
Probably not necessary |
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EvergreenTree |
If you don't like it, just rm -r minetest/games/minetest_game/mods/bones and be done with it |
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EvergreenTree |
Hi ruben |
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reactor |
R TBON CЛYLA R TBON PAБOTHNK |
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zat |
Robotnik? :D |
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reactor |
I mean, o/ |
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zat |
PIngas. |
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reactor |
zat: tell me more about that. |
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zat |
reactor: pingas pingas pingas pingas pingas pingas pingas pingas pingas pingas |
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reactor |
zat: please go on. |
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zat |
while (1) pingas; |
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zat |
interpret it. |
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reactor |
I'm not sure I understand you fully. |
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zat |
reactor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyM1UGD8sqM |
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reactor |
!title |
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MinetestBot |
reactor: SNOOPING AS USUAL I SEE - YouTube |
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reactor |
Do you say Snooping as usual you see for some special reason? |
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zat |
SnooPINGAS usual I see... |
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reactor |
Can you elaborate on that? |
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zat |
No. |
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zat |
It cannot be elaborated further. |
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zat |
It is just as it is. |
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reactor |
Does this make you feel unhappy? |
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zat |
Yes. |
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reactor |
I see. |
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reactor |
zat: is something else troubling you? |
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zat |
Yes. |
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reactor |
Please go on. |
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zat |
No. |
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reactor |
Does this make you feel unhappy? |
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zat |
Yes. |
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reactor |
Why don't you tell me a little more about this. |
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zat |
No. |
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reactor |
Are you saying no just to be negative? |
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rubenwardy |
Hi all! |
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reactor |
Hi rubberwardy. |
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rubenwardy |
... |
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PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
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AspireMint |
Hello |
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Jordach |
hello PilzAdam |
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Jordach |
looks like we both get in about the same time |
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* Jordach |
gets home at 4pm |
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Jordach |
oh, btw, at the next computing lesson I will suggest pilztest and minetest-0.4.8-dev |
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Jordach |
you heard that. |
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PilzAdam |
I still need a proper name for pilztest |
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Jordach |
PilzTest is fine |
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dafull97 |
Hello Guys, VannessaE present? |
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Jordach |
currently here but not active |
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OldCoder |
dafull97, Jordach, PilzAdam hello |
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VanessaE |
hi |
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OldCoder |
PilzAdam, as you may not do much with the world, but just test it, PilzTest seems fine |
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OldCoder |
PilzAdam, I think I asked you about a trivial anti-lava mod that you or sfan5 did a year ago. You didn't recall. Does it sound like something he would have done? |
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* sfan5 |
doesn't think he did an anti-lava mod |
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VanessaE |
anti-lava? |
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OldCoder |
VanessaE, Somebody requested of me that I request of one of those two the following: |
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us^0gb |
OldCoder: Are you talking about the one that erases lava above sea level? |
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dafull97 |
Hey OldCoder, when you get a sec can you meet me in my channel?? |
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OldCoder |
us^0gb, No; I will take a minute and write what I remember |
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VanessaE |
erlehmanmn (sp) did an update to his sponge mod that included a lava-absorbing iron sponge, a few months ago... |
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OldCoder |
dafull97, Yes after done with this |
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dafull97 |
ok thanks |
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OldCoder |
VanessaE, this was very simple and useful. I will write what I remember... |
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OldCoder |
The person who requested it had me pass a short spec. Lava was no longer allowed to be poured or to flow (I don't recall) vertically. There may have been other constraints. sfan5 or PilzAdam (I am reasonably sure) whipped up a simple mod in minutes. Regrettably things became confused after that and the mod is lost. It was just a few short blocks of Lua code. |
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OldCoder |
If it does not ring a bell, never mind |
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OldCoder |
On a separate note, I would be appreciate if somebody might advise Sapier that I have been looking for him for a week. I wish to have Animals again. |
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OldCoder |
* appreciative |
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dafull97 |
CraigyDavi |
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sfan5 |
!seen sapier |
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MinetestBot |
sfan5: sapier was last seen at 2013-11-07 22:50:14 UTC on #minetest |
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CraigyDavi |
dafull -_- |
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dafull97 |
pm so we can finish discussing from yesterday... |
| 16:32 |
CraigyDavi |
no use query |
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EvergreenTree |
Just use /msg |
| 16:35 |
CraigyDavi |
Oh we don't need to message. Everyone can see this. It needs no explanation. This is the matters me and dafull are descussing. http://pastie.org/pastes/8465846/text |
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OldCoder |
sfan5, Thanks. I can't seem to find him. |
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OldCoder |
reactor, Hi. Contact me this weekend for next steps if any. |
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OldCoder |
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OldCoder |
Regarding the paste above: |
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OldCoder |
http://pastie.org/pastes/8465846/text |
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OldCoder |
Yeah, *that's* mature :P |
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OldCoder |
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CraigyDavi |
yeah |
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CraigyDavi |
just spoke to him |
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OldCoder |
Oh? |
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reactor |
OldCoder: ? |
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OldCoder |
He timed oout |
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CraigyDavi |
didnt answer my question |
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CraigyDavi |
and left |
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OldCoder |
reactor, next steps regarding Pripyat |
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OldCoder |
CraigyDavi, I think he lost his connection |
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CraigyDavi |
hmm |
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CraigyDavi |
ok |
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OldCoder |
He was here via the web gateway |
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OldCoder |
It will probably be sorted out later |
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OldCoder |
Good luck with the rebuilding or rollback |
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* OldCoder |
must leave for work now |
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OldCoder |
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reactor |
OldCoder: mkay |
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reactor |
OldCoder: I think Nether may be turned off safely. |
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reactor |
Only the default buildings depend on it. |
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OldCoder |
It is only a few textures; no rush |
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reactor |
And I'm going to replaced them anyway. |
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OldCoder |
That is fine |
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reactor |
s/ced/ce/ |
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OldCoder |
Have fun; let me know what you wish next |
| 16:51 |
reactor |
How's textures, by the way? |
| 16:51 |
reactor |
Last time I tried it, I got default Minetest textures. |
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OldCoder |
reactor, not sure what question means. And others... will somebody consider talking to Sapier about serialize sdata nil error? |
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OldCoder |
reactor, I put them in worldmods as instructed |
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reactor |
OldCoder: eh? |
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OldCoder |
If you don't see them, ask others to report too |
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OldCoder |
reactor, others g2g |
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OldCoder |
c u |
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reactor |
o/ |
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reactor |
I am slow as hell. :( |
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harrison |
i don't wish to quibble -- but i must point out that hell isn't slow |
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Jordach |
rubenwardy_, dat pint |
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Jordach |
ping* |
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rubenwardy_ |
huh? |
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reactor |
harrison: s/hell/PDP-11\/20/ |
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rubenwardy |
The internet is pretty terrible for me now |
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reactor |
Russia? |
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rubenwardy |
Englande |
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rubenwardy |
s/-e |
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reactor |
Weird. |
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reactor |
I thought Russia has the worst consumer Internet access. |
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rubenwardy |
The government is upgrading the wires to fibreopic to houses, so I blame them |
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rubenwardy |
speed, not access |
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Jordach |
reactor, russia is good depending if you live near a city |
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daful9l7 |
Craigy query me again, it wa lunch time sorry |
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Jordach |
[17:13:46] <PilzAdam> oh wait, the operators are already removed |
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Jordach |
PilzAdam, you have two eyes, use 'em |
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harrison |
You are not counting the pineal or 3rd eye? |
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reactor |
Jordach: 100 km from a city. |
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harrison |
The one which looketh within? |
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reactor |
Jordach: it's rather near. |
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Jordach |
reactor, you're going to be bad, thexyz afaik has a good one |
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Jordach |
i live just around ~7 km from my nearest city - and i happen to get 8MB per second |
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reactor |
oh |
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PilzAdam |
Jordach, is the server up? |
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Jordach |
oh shit |
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Jordach |
im making a desert eagle |
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Jordach |
now it is |
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Jordach |
same ip btw |
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sfan5 |
YAY! Novarm made a free version of DipTrace |
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CraigyDavi |
Does anyone know how to change someone's password using auth.txt? |
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sfan5 |
why not use /setpassword |
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sfan5 |
if you still want to base64(sha1(username + password)) |
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Jordach |
!sha sfan5 boobs |
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CraigyDavi |
ah thanks |
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Jordach |
cmon |
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sfan5 |
why would my password be boobs? |
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Jordach |
sfan5, random |
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sfan5 |
Jordach: 'wlI8q8J70PYmf42yfUbyxVoUBL4=' |
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Dan_D |
What would I change in default furnace abm so that it only needs fuel to be active, and doesn't need a cookable item to start? |
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sfan5 |
wait what? |
| 17:50 |
sfan5 |
localdoma.in goes to google.com |
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sfan5 |
s/.com/.se/ |
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Dan_D |
Hello? |
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reactor |
? |
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Dan_D |
Does anyone actually know how the furnace abm works? |
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reactor |
...why? |
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sapier |
I suggest looking at code to find out how it works ;-) or do you have a little bit more precise question Dan_D? |
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Dan_D |
Ok: How do I make |
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Dan_D |
The furnace abm even run when there is nopthing in the input slot, so that it can be uses as a stove of sorts? |
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sapier |
ok I don't understand what you mean with "stove of sorts"? |
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Dan_D |
So that you can use it as a fireplace |
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Dan_D |
Without needing items to cook |
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sapier |
are you talkin about the animation only? |
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Dan_D |
No |
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Dan_D |
I mean, can I make it consume fuel |
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Dan_D |
Without needing to put something in the input slot |
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sapier |
can't tell for sure sorry you'll have to look at abm |
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Dan_D |
Ok |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Fix typo in lua_api.txt 1afd359550 2013-11-08T09:16:08-08:00 http://git.io/btrqqw |
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reactor |
Dan_D: I could tell you how it works... |
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reactor |
john_minetest: How do you do. |
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reactor |
You want me to start the server? |
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PilzAdam |
oO Ilmenau is greyscale IRL? |
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reactor |
Heh. |
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reactor |
I see. |
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reactor |
We've missed that orange bit. |
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Jordach |
john_minetest, is that your campus (afaik) |
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PilzAdam |
sapier has 666 posts |
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PilzAdam |
coincidence? |
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sapier |
you're not the first to recognize pa ;-) |
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NekoGloop |
He's a vivillon! |
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Jordach |
fuck sakes NekoGloop |
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Jordach |
there's like, what, 20 |
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NekoGloop |
26 |
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NekoGloop |
iirc |
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NekoGloop |
2 of which are unobtainable as of yet |
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Jordach |
someones onto us: <JoJoe_Stinky> wow, looks like blockman writes those scripts for us. |
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* john_minetest |
puts a kitten on NekoGloop's head |
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NekoGloop |
meow |
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* Jordach |
puts john_minetest on PilzAdam's head |
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* PilzAdam |
puts #minetest on Jordach's head |
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IceCraft |
hello |
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Jordach |
hai IceCream |
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IceCraft |
oh yes i forgot |
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PilzAdam |
Jordach, what do you think about Pilztest? |
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Jordach |
notbad.png |
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PilzAdam |
couldyougiveamoredetailedreview.?.ogg |
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Jordach |
? is a disallowed character |
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PilzAdam |
not in ext4 |
| 18:33 |
sapier |
why? ntfs isn't a bad fs ... btw some of the limitations are enforced by explorer not by fs |
| 18:35 |
sapier |
file attributes are a outdated feature |
| 18:35 |
VanessaE |
how do I check (in lua) if a player is online? |
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PilzAdam |
VanessaE, when minetest.get_connected_players() contains it |
| 18:35 |
VanessaE |
ah |
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sapier |
ntfs acl have been copied for unix fs ;-) yet not a very good copy |
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PilzAdam |
is the improvement for it merged yet? |
| 18:36 |
dafull97 |
Hey guyss |
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sapier |
I know ntfs supports all of this but not based uppon limited ONE user ONE group and eveyone else |
| 18:38 |
sapier |
you can specify rights for multiple users and groups in ntfs yet this can't be mapped correct to limited unix user rights |
| 18:39 |
sapier |
I don't know if ntfs supports symlinks yet windows doesn't so no use for them |
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sapier |
actually ntfs seems to support symlinks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS_symbolic_link |
| 18:41 |
sapier |
and as of vista even windows does support em |
| 18:44 |
sapier |
if you read it there is written about unix transition I guess this is a unix driver issue |
| 18:45 |
sapier |
if you want to read a linux fs on windows you need a windows driver for this fs as far as I know there is at least a ext3 driver for windows |
| 18:45 |
sapier |
ntfs is very well documented by now yet its security concept was too advanced to be used in linux for some time |
| 18:45 |
PilzAdam |
its not a matter if its good or not, Microsoft gets a lot of money for it, thats enough |
| 18:45 |
sapier |
and of course noone wants to risk patent issues |
| 18:47 |
sapier |
microsoft did many bad things long time ago but they have lost power to do so long ago |
| 18:47 |
sapier |
today evil corporations are google and apple |
| 18:48 |
sapier |
LOL |
| 18:48 |
sapier |
apple is worse microsoft has ever been |
| 18:48 |
sapier |
yet google at least releases some of its work while apple code is completely closed |
| 18:48 |
PilzAdam |
why do we even talk english in here? |
| 18:49 |
sapier |
it's not minetest-german ;-) |
| 18:49 |
PilzAdam |
I mean, is anyone reading this who doesnt know german? |
| 18:49 |
us^0gb |
I am. |
| 18:50 |
us^0gb |
I can leave though. |
| 18:50 |
sapier |
it's logged so you can't rule out someone will read it ... and don't forget nsa spys the need to translate if we talked in german |
| 18:50 |
PilzAdam |
they can use google translator |
| 18:50 |
PilzAdam |
that way google could steal all the data from the nsa |
| 18:50 |
us^0gb |
Google Translate gets it wrong a lot. |
| 18:51 |
sapier |
I guess nsa translator is way more advanced yet requires more cpu power |
| 18:51 |
sapier |
ao only thing was wasting more electricity ;-) |
| 18:51 |
PilzAdam |
the nsa translator translates everything into "I am a terrorist so its totatlly valid to steal all my private data" |
| 18:52 |
us^0gb |
PilzAdam: That explains SO much. |
| 18:52 |
sapier |
the really sad thing is that these most likely aren't jokes but pure truth |
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us^0gb |
The NSA really does spy on our communications, if that's what you mean. |
| 18:53 |
Calinou |
or GIMPed on |
| 18:53 |
Calinou |
but the NSA needs to spy on themselves too :> |
| 18:54 |
Jordach |
afaik 192.168.*.* are whitelisted |
| 18:54 |
sapier |
yes that's what I mean ... we knew they'd had possibility to do for some time but yet everyone assumed they didn't do it ... now we know they actually do |
| 18:54 |
reactor |
john_minetest: that's lame. |
| 18:54 |
us^0gb |
The worst part is that the NSA tries to weaken encryption algorithms to make them easy for them to break later. And that exposes us to non-NSA threats as well. |
| 18:55 |
MinetestBot |
john_minetest: Linux Sets You Free - YouTube |
| 18:55 |
PilzAdam |
the only sad thing is that the german government doesnt do anything about it |
| 18:55 |
sapier |
they can't they'd reveal their knowledge about this and our own security involvement |
| 18:56 |
Jordach |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=117478#p117478 |
| 18:56 |
Jordach |
post of the YEAR |
| 18:56 |
sapier |
NSA doesn't spy on american ppl this is done by GH?? (can't remeber that short) ... and of course results of spying are transfered to a single database |
| 18:57 |
sapier |
this way NSA is telling truth when telling "We don't spy on us citizens" |
| 18:59 |
sapier |
nsa plz send me a copy of this log in a month ... not in doc format please |
| 18:59 |
us^0gb |
.odt would be nice, if possible. |
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sapier |
does anyone know the telphone voice of mirsosoft netmeeting "this could be recorded" ... I guess now we know what was actually meant by it ;-) |
| 19:01 |
sapier |
they told us for years ... we can't even blame them ;-) |
| 19:03 |
PilzAdam |
Snowden: "hey, the NSA spies all your phones"; Angie: "So what?"; Snowden: "Even your phone, Angie"; Angine: "OMG that was totally unexpected!" |
| 19:11 |
sapier |
politicians are far from having recognized what nsa spy actions really are |
| 19:12 |
us^0gb |
Wow. I need to install 78 new packages to compile Minetest .... |
| 19:12 |
sapier |
I guess you only need to if you want all features |
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dafull97 |
Hey guys |
| 19:13 |
reactor |
Hey dafull97. |
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us^0gb |
Speaking of features, which LevelDB package do I need to add LevelDB support? It isn't listed in the README.txt. |
| 19:13 |
us^0gb |
Hello! |
| 19:13 |
reactor |
john_minetest: FAT doesn't allow for links. That's onle of the reasons it sucks. |
| 19:13 |
reactor |
So does NTFS. |
| 19:14 |
reactor |
Seriously, Windows is a limited toy. |
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us^0gb |
Actually, FAT sucks also because it is prone to both data loss and fragmentation. Issues shared by NTFS, by the way. |
| 19:15 |
sapier |
ntfs is as prone to data los as ext3 and ext4 are too |
| 19:16 |
PilzAdam |
us^0gb, which distro? |
| 19:16 |
reactor |
ext has its problems, too |
| 19:16 |
PilzAdam |
its libleveldb-dev for *buntu |
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us^0gb |
The exts are effected? Great, that's reassuring. Maybe I'll look into other file systems. |
| 19:16 |
reactor |
us^0gb: exactly |
| 19:16 |
sapier |
if your drive crashes all fs have problems with data consistency ;-) |
| 19:16 |
reactor |
ext is better than ntfs anyway |
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dafull97 |
*To all* What is the fastest linux OS in your opion? |
| 19:16 |
sapier |
no it isn't |
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us^0gb |
PilzAdam: Thanks! I'm on an Ubuntu derivative, so that's probably the package I need. |
| 19:17 |
sapier |
ext3/4 are pretty same level as ntfs |
| 19:17 |
reactor |
dafull97: Linux is bloated and huge. |
| 19:17 |
dafull97 |
indeed |
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* Jordach |
agrees |
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dafull97 |
what is the fastest in your option? |
| 19:17 |
sapier |
ext3 is below while fat is hmmm something between minixfs and ext2 |
| 19:17 |
reactor |
Try any of them BSDs, dafull97. |
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* Jordach |
can't bring himself to installing BSD |
| 19:17 |
PilzAdam |
dafull97, the one that you will set up to fit your hardware |
| 19:17 |
sapier |
there isn't a fastest fs this depends on what you're doing |
| 19:18 |
reactor |
and what sapier said |
| 19:18 |
reactor |
But bloat-wise, BSD is better. |
| 19:18 |
reactor |
For most Linux distros come full of shit programs. |
| 19:18 |
us^0gb |
Security-wise, OpenBSD is the best, I hear. |
| 19:18 |
sapier |
yes :-) if there isn't that much released for a os it can't get bloated ... I gues os/2 is even better in this aspect ;-) |
| 19:18 |
dafull97 |
ok cool, since i am still nub to linux, say i install ubuntu server and installed minetest could i see the minetest GUI> |
| 19:19 |
dafull97 |
or not? |
| 19:19 |
reactor |
Well. I heard ubuntu server is at least not as bad as ubuntu desktop. |
| 19:19 |
sapier |
ubuntu is good for beginners yet it's not better than windows |
| 19:19 |
Jordach |
dafull97, minetestserver doesnt have a gui |
| 19:19 |
us^0gb |
Ubuntu Server has no desktop, so no, you can't see the Minetest GUI on it. |
| 19:19 |
dafull97 |
ok im meaning could i play the client... -_- lol |
| 19:20 |
reactor |
Why are people so addicted to GUI? |
| 19:20 |
dafull97 |
ok us got what i meanat |
| 19:20 |
dafull97 |
ease of use |
| 19:20 |
sapier |
imho atm there's not a good recommendation for beginners ubuntu desktop is that heavyly modified by canonical it's almost as crapy as windows |
| 19:21 |
sapier |
and debian is often quite old and beginner unfriendly |
| 19:21 |
dafull97 |
yes, i use Cbuntu |
| 19:21 |
dafull97 |
yes, i use Xbuntu*** |
| 19:21 |
us^0gb |
I'd go with Trisquel, but if you really want *buntu, Xubuntu is nice. |
| 19:21 |
us^0gb |
Oops, I was too slow. |
| 19:21 |
dafull97 |
haha |
| 19:21 |
dafull97 |
yes -P |
| 19:21 |
dafull97 |
** and playing games |
| 19:22 |
dafull97 |
=-P |
| 19:22 |
us^0gb |
And web browsing. And file editing and .... |
| 19:22 |
sapier |
games on linux? only steam games will work |
| 19:22 |
reactor |
dafull97: or man up and use BSD right away. |
| 19:22 |
sapier |
and some rare games that work using wine |
| 19:22 |
reactor |
dafull97: you don't have to go through all the shit to be there. |
| 19:22 |
us^0gb |
And Minetest. |
| 19:23 |
sapier |
but don't expect wine games to run at more then half windows performance |
| 19:23 |
reactor |
dafull97: believe me, you will end up using BSD after 5 years. |
| 19:23 |
dafull97 |
sapier, i play minetest on there, minecraft, and openarena with no steam |
| 19:23 |
sapier |
I wouldn't believe reactor I'm on linux for more than 15 years now ;-) |
| 19:23 |
reactor |
Very fine, they should worm. |
| 19:23 |
dafull97 |
how is free bsd? |
| 19:23 |
reactor |
It's good. |
| 19:24 |
sapier |
yet don't even think about games ;-) |
| 19:24 |
us^0gb |
I used to have a ton of GNU/Linux games before I left them behind for free software. |
| 19:24 |
dafull97 |
u love linux |
| 19:24 |
reactor |
It's somewhat problematic to configure for the first time, but then it's not as. |
| 19:24 |
dafull97 |
it is fully customizeable |
| 19:24 |
us^0gb |
Free games are a bit limited, but GNU/Linux games, not so much anymore. |
| 19:24 |
dafull97 |
and been on it for 3 yrs |
| 19:24 |
reactor |
sapier: I don't get it how you managed to use it for that long. |
| 19:24 |
reactor |
sapier: what distribution? |
| 19:25 |
sapier |
actualy I switched from suse to self built to ubuntu and now that ubuntu is broken to debian |
| 19:25 |
sapier |
stopped building linux when x-server split to hundreds of packets |
| 19:26 |
dafull97 |
Xbuntu has been very flexable and fast |
| 19:26 |
reactor |
sapier: I never got anything to build in Debian. |
| 19:26 |
sapier |
yet none of the current linux distrubutions support multi gpu anymore |
| 19:26 |
reactor |
I only managed to compile smalll things here and there. |
| 19:27 |
sapier |
no idea what you did wrong reactor |
| 19:27 |
reactor |
I somehow attract catastrophes. |
| 19:27 |
reactor |
May be it. |
| 19:27 |
us^0gb |
I do as well. |
| 19:27 |
reactor |
Well, I haven't had any problem with compiling on BSD. |
| 19:28 |
sapier |
only thing difficult on debian is using badly written bleeding edge software |
| 19:28 |
reactor |
Oh. I forget. I was using debian testing. |
| 19:28 |
reactor |
And used to break something after each update. |
| 19:28 |
reactor |
That was a terrible experience. |
| 19:29 |
sapier |
I updated my servers from debian 5 to current version by now |
| 19:29 |
reactor |
Rather, I used to run a distro based on dtesting. |
| 19:29 |
dafull97 |
*TO ALL* What are your best programs or script that you have created? |
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dafull97 |
that you are proud of** |
| 19:29 |
reactor |
dafull97: /dev/null. |
| 19:29 |
sapier |
same was ubuntu while they kept close to debian |
| 19:30 |
sapier |
dafull97 by some time you'll realize you can't create a really good program on your own |
| 19:31 |
us^0gb |
dafull97: Aside from my Minetest Lua scripts, I just build simple scripts. |
| 19:31 |
dafull97 |
sapier, actually i agree, i was asking just your own projects |
| 19:31 |
dafull97 |
and nice john_minetest |
| 19:32 |
sapier |
come on john not even applying some patches or sed modifications? ;-) |
| 19:32 |
dafull97 |
ohh, dang.. well thats good |
| 19:34 |
dafull97 |
all here still> |
| 19:36 |
sapier |
of course ;-) |
| 19:36 |
reactor |
Oh. |
| 19:36 |
reactor |
I remember. |
| 19:36 |
reactor |
dafull97: my automated internet radio feed. |
| 19:36 |
PilzAdam |
john_minetest, personally I think that good code is as important as the functionality |
| 19:36 |
reactor |
But I'm not running it anymore. |
| 19:36 |
dafull97 |
reactor, really? |
| 19:37 |
dafull97 |
that sounds good... lol i couldnt f\do that |
| 19:38 |
reactor |
dafull97: ? |
| 19:39 |
dafull97 |
reactor, was you talking about coding still ? |
| 19:40 |
reactor |
01:29 < dafull97> *TO ALL* What are your best programs or script that you have created? |
| 19:40 |
dafull97 |
yes, i said that was good, i couldnt do that |
| 19:40 |
dafull97 |
lol |
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reactor |
mk |
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harrison |
<sapier> only thing difficult on debian is using badly written bleeding edge software |
| 20:11 |
sapier |
incompatible to even last version of a required lib ;-) |
| 20:11 |
harrison |
this is horribly insensitive!~ some of us prefer the bleeding edge which does not heal and we should not be made fun of |
| 20:13 |
sapier |
*handling some plasters to harrison* |
| 20:13 |
harrison |
ow |
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us^0gb |
I doubt this is possible, but I figure there's no harm in asking just in case. Is there a way to dismantle a Lua function from another script to alter it a bit? |
| 20:19 |
sapier |
you're talking about runtime ? |
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us^0gb |
Yeah. |
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us^0gb |
So one module would be able to slightly alter another module's function without containing the full code of the original function. |
| 20:23 |
us^0gb |
Instead, it would only contain the alteration itself. |
| 20:23 |
sapier |
no I don't think this is possible ... even if it was this'd be very very very bad style ... even worse than goto |
| 20:24 |
us^0gb |
You do have a good point there. I'm not sure what else to do though. |
| 20:24 |
us^0gb |
I'll see what other options I can come up with. |
| 20:25 |
sapier |
while self modifying code may be very smart it's almost not maintainable ;-) |
| 20:25 |
harrison |
when one first suspects that our own consciousness modifies itself in just such an unsafe way, it is as if the fog lifted to reveal that the path we tread falls away to an abyss on either side ... |
| 20:25 |
harrison |
lifts |
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us^0gb |
Containing a full copy of the function would mean that any updates to that function that go noticed would not make it to the modified version though. |
| 20:27 |
us^0gb |
Plus, this is meant as more of a patch than a full function rewrite. |
| 20:27 |
sapier |
maybe you can make the one writing the function add callbacks to it that allow some modification? |
| 20:28 |
us^0gb |
I tried submitting pulls to this, they were rejected in favor of hacky code. |
| 20:28 |
ShadowNinja |
us^0gb: Yes, it is possible. |
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ShadowNinja |
local old_func = func |
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ShadowNinja |
function func() |
| 20:29 |
sapier |
that's replacing function |
| 20:29 |
ShadowNinja |
-- Do custom things |
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us^0gb |
The modification is mid function, a wrapper like that won't work. |
| 20:29 |
ShadowNinja |
old_func() |
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ShadowNinja |
end |
| 20:29 |
ShadowNinja |
Hmmm, well no then. |
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us^0gb |
I figured as much. |
| 20:30 |
us^0gb |
I'll look at other options. |
| 20:30 |
harrison |
Most rappers won't work, unless you count streetlevel sales. |
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us^0gb |
s/at/for/ |
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us^0gb |
Can I tell what function calls another function? Sort of like a debug trace? |
| 20:31 |
us^0gb |
But without the error, and it only needs to go one function up. |
| 20:32 |
sapier |
with debug lib you can do almost anything but if by some time we add at least minimal security capabilities your code will be broken |
| 20:32 |
us^0gb |
Yeah, if it's going to be broken by security code, that's probably not a good option. |
| 20:32 |
ShadowNinja |
us^0gb: You can parse the string returned by "debug.traceback()". |
| 20:33 |
us^0gb |
Okay, that sounds doable. I'll experiment with that. |
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sapier |
debug traceback uses debug lib so it might be better to do it direct ;-) |
| 20:34 |
us^0gb |
Okay, I'll look at both options. See what works best. |
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us^0gb |
I wonder if I can fix this with a Minetest pull ... |
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us^0gb |
Okay, this function is in C++, I can't figure out what it's doing. But it gives me an idea, I think I can pull this of by simply redefining the can_dig() of four nodes. Thanks for the help! |
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Jordach |
Good news everyone: dwarves will be updated before 0.4.8 |
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harrison |
what is the best kind of parrot? vote now |
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us^0gb |
john_minetest: It sounds like I have plenty of time to finish up this game then. |
| 21:18 |
us^0gb |
It's probably a triple leap year of something. |
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us^0gb |
*or |
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Menche |
too bad the date will revert back to December 1901 in January 2038 |
| 21:19 |
us^0gb |
Why does February not have 30 days (31 on leap year)? It should, to match the other months. |
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us^0gb |
Drats. I forgot about the UNIX time loop. |
| 21:20 |
Menche |
but it will be all fine if you use a 64 bit system. |
| 21:20 |
us^0gb |
Oh, good. That's what I have. |
| 21:20 |
Menche |
those use a 64 bit int for the time right? |
| 21:20 |
us^0gb |
Probably. |
| 21:21 |
Menche |
the predicted death of the sun comes before the time will overflow out of a 64-bit int |
| 21:21 |
us^0gb |
Meh, everyone knows Windows isn't safe. |
| 21:23 |
Menche |
now if that screwed up WGA so all the windows computers in the world were marked as pirated and disabled |
| 21:23 |
us^0gb |
GNU/Linux servers at Microsoft Headquarters? Those hypocrites. |
| 21:24 |
Menche |
:D |
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* Menche |
wonders if anyone uses Windows Server for anything serious |
| 21:25 |
us^0gb |
My school does. A school I'm switching away from, by the way. |
| 21:25 |
sfan5 |
ugh |
| 21:25 |
sfan5 |
even my school knows they should use linux for serious things |
| 21:25 |
* Jordach |
can make good use of Windows Server |
| 21:25 |
Jordach |
by replacing it with Arch Linux |
| 21:26 |
sfan5 |
hah |
| 21:30 |
Jordach |
i can use windows server for one thing, screwing up with malware then replacing it with arch |
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* Jordach |
screams in rage |
| 21:32 |
Jordach |
I update to LO 4.0.5 |
| 21:33 |
Jordach |
and GET the NEXT FUCKING UPDATE as a HELP FILE UPDATE. |
| 21:33 |
Jordach |
Jordach:system_core_dump(fuck, this, shit) |
| 21:34 |
us^0gb |
I find myself pulling to minetest_game again .... I said I was going to leave minetest_game alone, but here I find myself. |
| 21:35 |
us^0gb |
Not sure. |
| 21:35 |
PilzAdam |
john_minetest, he still works on it |
| 21:35 |
PilzAdam |
there are still bugs and settings missing |
| 21:36 |
Jordach |
-and settings missing |
| 21:36 |
Menche |
there're bugs missing? |
| 21:36 |
PilzAdam |
Jordach, hm? |
| 21:37 |
Jordach |
PilzAdam, anything RBA codes is a broken wreck |
| 21:37 |
Jordach |
see technic |
| 21:37 |
Jordach |
and unified inventory |
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Menche |
the serverlist already knows which servers have creative mode, pvp, passwords, etc. on |
| 21:39 |
Menche |
would be nice if it could sort into categories with those |
| 21:40 |
Menche |
instead of the somewhat cryptic set of letters before the name |
| 21:40 |
PilzAdam |
the whole menu is coded in Lua, you can change it even without compiling Minetest |
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kaeza |
greetings |
| 22:32 |
kaeza |
LOL https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=117478#p117478 |
| 22:32 |
us^0gb |
Greetings, kaeza! |
| 22:32 |
kaeza |
hey us^0gb |
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* kaeza |
sends to trash |
| 22:33 |
PilzAdam |
kaeza, why? |
| 22:33 |
us^0gb |
Wow, that's just ... odd. And that's her only post, too. |
| 22:34 |
PilzAdam |
kaeza, is offtopic not allowed in offtopic section? |
| 22:34 |
kaeza |
PilzAdam, first post and posting totally offtopic stuff? |
| 22:35 |
us^0gb |
PilzAdam does have a point though. She did post it in the correct forum. |
| 22:36 |
PilzAdam |
kaeza, there are a lot more people who post offtopic all the time, even outside of the offtopic section |
| 22:36 |
kaeza |
okay okay |
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zat1 |
:D http://www.telepizza.cl/contacto.php |
| 22:41 |
kaeza |
dat phone number |
| 22:41 |
zat |
They urgently need an expert developer to fix it |
| 22:41 |
kaeza |
dose errors |
| 22:41 |
zat |
read it as: adding @ in front of every function call |
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zat |
doze |
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ShadowNinja |
Hmmm, so kaeza's a mod now. When did that happen? |
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PilzAdam |
bye |
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paramat |
hi proller :) last night i solved the flat-edge bug in core floatlands, see https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/989 please read last night's minetest channel logs 05:19 to 05:40 |
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paramat |
i will now provide you with my best attempt at the correct mapgen code, but i cant test it, would you be able to test the code? i would very much like to fix this for 0.4.8 |
| 23:09 |
paramat |
eh i missed mr mushroom again :/ |
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us^0gb |
Yup, just barely, too. |
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sfan5 |
good night everyone |
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us^0gb |
Good night. |
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Jordach |
hey paramat |
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Jordach |
you're a day sleeper aren't ya |
| 23:45 |
paramat |
sometimes :) |
| 23:46 |
paramat |
oh Peacock is up! :) |
| 23:47 |
Peacock |
yeah, got up a bit earlier today, 17hrs XD |
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Jordach |
nono, Peacock is the nickname nazi |
| 23:47 |
Jordach |
you are his bitch on his server |
| 23:47 |
Peacock |
guten morgen mein herr |
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Jordach |
eg, no numbers, no stupid shiyt |
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Jordach |
shit |
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paramat |
\o/ |
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Jordach |
Peacock, have you filtered out "YouTube" |
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Peacock |
youtube? |
| 23:51 |
Peacock |
http://youtu.be/pEsZkTTgydc |
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Menche |
!title |
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MinetestBot |
Menche: GET YOUR HANDS OFF MY PENIS! - Epic Australian Man Arrested - YouTube |
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Peacock |
http://youtu.be/P7Jy312JCUQ |
| 23:51 |
Menche |
!title |
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MinetestBot |
Menche: DJ Steve Porter - Rob Ford Crack Remix - YouTube |
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paramat |
epic guy in that vid |
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Peacock |
yeah lol |
| 23:54 |
Peacock |
getting arrested - like a sir |
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paramat |
...eo |
| 23:56 |
paramat |
btw thanks for introducing me to femen, surprisingly i rather like them *^_^* |
| 23:56 |
Menche |
"And you sir, are you waiting to recieve my limp penis?" lol |
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