IRC log for #minetest, 2013-10-11

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00:03	jojoa1997	guess what
00:03	jojoa1997	minetest now has stained glass
00:04	jojoa1997	i will leave my sense of copying minetest mods out there
00:04	jojoa1997	or maybe everyone wants the same thing
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00:18	jojoa1997	would you suggest using paragenv7 and mg together?
00:20	zat	Has anybody noticed that trying to rollback immediately after the server has started will crash it?
00:20	zat	Though I am not sure if it is only for me, since I have altered the rollback code much. :S
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02:10	* VanessaE	wanders off to bed.
02:10	VanessaE	night
02:11	zat	noche
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02:37	zat	ping Sokomine
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03:10	zsoltisawesome	Why has nobody said anything?
03:10	us`0gb	No one is on this channel. It is empty.
03:12	us`0gb	Okay, I was wrong. I have the .iso, I'm just not used to having .iso files not have a CD-like icon, so I missed it.
03:13	zsoltisawesome	WAT?
03:32	NakedFury	I have poweriso for such occasions
03:33	NakedFury	I used to download games like crazy and iso is the preffered pirate method for them
03:33	zsoltisawesome	Yes
03:33	zsoltisawesome	I really hate that too
03:33	Menche	i usually write ISOs to a usb stick with dd
03:34	zsoltisawesome	How the heck do you use dd
03:34	Menche	dd if=source of=destination
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03:34	NakedFury	I feel left out. what is dd?
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03:35	zsoltisawesome	Linux console command
03:35	Menche	a utility for writing raw data
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03:35	NakedFury	ohh
03:35	NakedFury	linux stuff
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03:35	zsoltisawesome	You say that like Linux is utterly confusing
03:35	zsoltisawesome	Which it is :D
03:36	NakedFury	it is when you dont use it
03:36	Menche	no it isn't :(
03:36	us`0gb	Oh, what? I posted that in the wrong channel. SORRY!
03:36	us`0gb	I meant to post that in #trisquel .
03:38	zsoltisawesome	Oh XD
03:39	zsoltisawesome	Umm, why do only smart people use Linux?
03:39	us`0gb	If you want something confusing though, pick up a copy of Microsoft WIndows.
03:39	us`0gb	Smart people use BSD.
03:40	us`0gb	I'm just a normal guy.
03:40	zsoltisawesome	Correction: Smart People Use Pure Unix
03:41	zsoltisawesome	:D
03:43	zsoltisawesome	And insane people use JOS
03:43	Menche	what is that?
03:44	zsoltisawesome	Java Operating System
03:44	Menche	that's a thing?
03:44	Menche	lol
03:44	zsoltisawesome	Yep
03:44	zsoltisawesome	Ikr
03:46	zsoltisawesome	I also found a Windows 3.1 virtual simulator on the web: http://www.michealv.org
03:47	zsoltisawesome	facepalm
03:47	zsoltisawesome	I spelled it wrong
03:48	zsoltisawesome	Minetest must be hating me right now
03:49	zsoltisawesome	I told it to infinitely set my hearts to full if the boolean setting DontDie was set to true
03:51	Menche	isn't there a way to make it completely ignore damage/health?
03:51	zsoltisawesome	Yes but this was simpler to set as a Boolean setting in minetest.conf
03:56	zsoltisawesome	Hey! Is anyone here a good pixel artist?
03:57	zsoltisawesome	Like 80x80?
03:57	zsoltisawesome	Or higher
03:59	zsoltisawesome	I wanna make a Minetest themed Street Fighter style game
04:03	zsoltisawesome	XD I imagined a minetest character throwing a block at a person
04:12	zsoltisawesome	(=Â´âˆ€ï½€)äºº(Â´âˆ€ï½€=)
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08:48	JamesTait	Good morning all! Happy Friday, and happy Egg Day! :-D
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10:29	proller	Taoki, !
10:30	Taoki	hi
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10:37	proller	Taoki, can you test and write micro review abound sand/gravel in -next
10:44	Evergreen	I have an idea for a map, turn a large section of the flolands into a worldedit schematic, and copy it into a singlenode generation world.
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10:53	reacktor	o/
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11:05	Taoki	proller: What's new in sand and gravel in Next?
11:05	proller	try build something from the\
11:06	Taoki	Ah... they're falling nodes?
11:06	proller	flowing
11:06	proller	and falling too
11:07	Taoki	Flowing? How can gravel flow?
11:08	Taoki	That sounds interesting, will test :)
11:08	Taoki	Any news on weather too?
11:08	proller	yes, better to try
11:08	proller	now i have no time
11:08	Taoki	Great stuff
11:19	Taoki	proller: I see n updates on your weather branch. Is it an amended commit... how do you pull those?
11:19	Taoki	I tried "git pull -f" to be safe
11:20	proller	now no updates
11:20	Taoki	Ahh, ok
11:22	Taoki	Haha... yes I can see how gravel blocks slip. Nice idea!
11:23	Taoki	Might be a bit laggy and slow to update, but works fine
11:24	Taoki	Actually, I wonder... I wonder: What if gravel and sand could partly be turned into liquid nodes, so that they spill and flow? After all, sand flows like water in a sense
11:24	Taoki	Only that they'd need to be solid too, so you don't sink into them but walk on them
11:26	proller	you can change leveled=1 to leveled=4 and it will split
11:27	Taoki	Awesome :D
11:27	Taoki	That's amazig
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11:29	Taoki	Ahhhhh... rain generates water on the ground too in weather mod. I love you proller :D
11:29	Taoki	Although... does that water ever evaporate or sink into the ground?
11:29	twoelk	for a moment there I had this picture of me sinking in quicksand: "throw a rope!"
11:31	proller	Taoki, evaporate
11:31	Taoki	Awesome
11:31	Taoki	Weather needs to be in quickly :D
11:37	Taoki	The wat rain floods the map is a little weird however
11:37	Taoki	**way
11:38	sfan5	hi everyone
11:43	proller	Taoki, i think current rain water drop must be maximal and on 100%, at 65 must be much less water
11:43	proller	like maximum average flooding 0.5 node per game day
11:44	Taoki	proller: Ah, I just noticed I'm in a 97% humidity area. Still, the valley is turning into a whole lake :P
11:50	Taoki	proller: I asked the Lua team, and someone made a formula to generate a circle using radius and number of points. Will help for your weather system
11:50	Taoki	http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=VBEKMgTg
11:50	Taoki	You can test and tweak it here easily, if needed: http://www.lua.org/cgi-bin/demo
11:51	Taoki	So use that formula to get the spawners around the player, and make the two parameters settings at the beginning of the script file. Should work nicely
11:51	Taoki	BRB
11:52	proller	for start simplest is x,y;x-1,y;x+1,y;x-1,y-1, ... -> 9 points
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11:57	GNADev\|zRokh	hi
11:57	GNADev\|zRokh	JesseH!
11:57	GNADev\|zRokh	:D
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12:16	VanessaE	hi
12:22	Taoki	proller: Yeah, but that makes the circle customizable easily
12:27	Taoki	I tested it in the demo and indeed it works. So just use the 2D coordinates, add the third where the spawners should be, and it should work fine.
12:27	Taoki	*height at which spawners should be
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12:30	Taoki	Weather mod rocks so far in what regards node management. Rain stopped; The puddles littering the landscape are slowly vanishing. But holes that water built up in remain, and became full water sources
12:30	Taoki	Very nice work again :)
12:31	Taoki	Still, I think water should only appear in holes, not over flat land
12:31	VanessaE	or it should use a 2d nodebox for the "just wet" level and never go beyond that level except in holes etc.
12:32	VanessaE	(where "just wet level" could be a separate node)
12:33	VanessaE	use texture alpha and a variant of the standing water texture that's only about 50% visible
12:33	VanessaE	or perhaps less, 25 to 33%... that way the ground really does look wet
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12:37	twoelk	splish splash - where is the rubber boots mod?
12:37	VanessaE	lol
12:43	twoelk	actually I can hardly wait for the sounds this feature deserves
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12:46	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
12:46	VanessaE	hi
12:48	Taoki	hi
12:48	Taoki	proller: What decides when water turns into snow or when it turns into ice?
12:48	Taoki	What's the difference (and different needed factors) between the two
12:48	proller	heat
12:49	proller	in -next it adjustable
12:49	proller	you can make melting stone
12:49	VanessaE	proller: any news on synching the humidity and temperature to match what plants_lib uses?
12:49	Taoki	Ah... so the temperature is the factor
12:50	proller	default:ice : groups = {melt=3},
12:50	proller	VanessaE, no, its hmmmm area
12:50	* VanessaE	pokes hmmmm
12:51	proller	default:water_source": freeze=-1
12:53	Taoki	What about evaporating water? I mean, if a lake is located at say 40*C, will the lake start to disappear?
12:54	proller	now only _flowing evaporating
12:54	Taoki	ok
12:55	Taoki	This will be a bit tricky. Since the smaller a water pool is, the faster it should evaporate based on temperature
12:55	Taoki	So a small node of flowing fluid should easily vanish at even 15C. But from 40C, even lakes could start disappearing
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12:57	Taoki	Also, Ice and Snow don't seem to disappear when placed in an area of 35C
12:57	proller	count lake size will eat 101% cpu
12:57	proller	they must melt
12:57	Taoki	proller: Yeah, it would have to be done per individual water source
12:57	proller	wait
12:57	Taoki	ok
13:01	Taoki	Yeah, only some melt
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13:18	Taoki	proller: Looking a bit through the source of weather mod. What's keeping you from making chance depend on amount of rain, and you have a TODO about that instead? Isn't it possible to just use ", chance = get_rain(pos)"?
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13:36	VanessaE	hi
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13:44	proller	Taoki, have no time
13:45	Taoki	ok, will note it for later then
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13:57	Taoki	True that
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14:05	apollo	hi everyone
14:06	apollo	i haven't donwload this game,so i love
14:06	VanessaE	hi
14:06	apollo	downloaded+
14:06	apollo	i want to know if this game is done in java like minecraft
14:06	VanessaE	no it isn't.
14:07	VanessaE	the engine is written in C++ and C, and the game content is written in Lua
14:07	apollo	luaÂ¿?
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14:07	VanessaE	Lua is a scripting language
14:07	VanessaE	it's what handles most of the logic - how nodes are registered, whether a door opens when you right click it, that sort o thing.
14:07	VanessaE	of*
14:08	VanessaE	anything that needs a lot of CPU power is usually done in C++
14:08	apollo	ok so this game is not a real copy of minecraft...it's made since 0
14:08	VanessaE	definitely not a copy
14:09	VanessaE	it's a similar game though
14:09	apollo	wow
14:09	VanessaE	easily more fun, and infinitely more moddable
14:09	apollo	yeah i'm agree with u!
14:11	apollo	Many "youtubers"think that this is a chinese copy of minecraft and i think this is for gnu/linux so this neither can be disassembled,noÂ¿?
14:12	apollo	this gamar or neither*
14:12	VanessaE	it's Open Source
14:12	VanessaE	and runs in Windows, Linux, and I think OS-X.
14:12	VanessaE	the server half can also run on Android or Rasberry Pi, I've heard.
14:13	VanessaE	it is written by a number of people around the world - started by celeron55 out of Finland.
14:13	apollo	wow i like the open source i think that this "youtubers" are idiot and they don't know nothing!!!
14:13	VanessaE	source code: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/
14:13	apollo	wow
14:14	VanessaE	game content: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game
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14:16	harrison	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTs3knPoajk
14:16	apollo	i love it! i'm going to donwload right now!
14:16	VanessaE	have fun :)
14:16	apollo	i was talking about the spanish youtubers,!!!!
14:16	apollo	this people...
14:17	apollo	VanessaE: thanks for help me!
14:18	VanessaE	you're welcome
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14:21	apollo	i love the open source,i use gnu/linux and i'm learning java but what i do with this to cooperate with the community Â¿?
14:22	VanessaE	well it depends on what you want to do
14:22	apollo	i can do*
14:22	VanessaE	if you want to contribute to the engine, you'll need to learn C++
14:22	VanessaE	if you want to contribute to the game content, you'll need to learn Lua and the Minetest modding API ( https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt ).
14:23	apollo	puff it's difficult?
14:23	VanessaE	You'll need Lua and the modding API if you want to just write a mod for the game
14:23	VanessaE	Lua and modding is easy
14:23	VanessaE	C++ is harder but it depends on your skills
14:23	PilzAdam	Java!
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14:25	VanessaE	for engine work, you might do well to learn some SQL (well, sqlite) and how the map format works
14:25	VanessaE	the rest is just kinda...dive in, fiddle with it a while, and see what you can do
14:26	apollo	i know some of SQL
14:28	apollo	ok this year i will enter to tthe university so i will learn c or c++ (maybe i don't know) si but now i will learn lua
14:28	VanessaE	sounds good
14:28	VanessaE	learn Lua and the modding API and make some small mod
14:28	apollo	ok
14:28	VanessaE	start by adding some random node to the world, then make it do something when you punch it
14:28	VanessaE	then just...go from there
14:29	apollo	ok i see
14:31	apollo	well first i'm going to play the game and then i will search more info and courses about lua an the api to do some mods,thanks for all!!!
14:31	apollo	i going to download right now!!!
14:31	apollo	bye
14:31	VanessaE	bye
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15:17	thexyz	you don't need sql
15:18	zat	Â¿
15:18	VanessaE	well I guess not since the backend abstraction thing.
15:19	VanessaE	forgot about that.
15:19	zat	Did I miss something? I am almost done with my SQLite rollback implementation.
15:19	VanessaE	he's talking about someone else, zat
15:20	zat	ah good
15:20	VanessaE	who was asking some general questions about learning MT and contributing to it
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15:23	zat	My implementation is working very good so far
15:23	zat	I found the bottleneck was actually when loading the file
15:24	zat	...the whole file is loaded into memory it seems.
15:24	VanessaE	you should get your hands on a big rollback.txt and run through it as if it were some live users. See how your sql implementation compares, file-size-wise
15:24	zat	unnoticeable when it is a couple dozens mbs
15:24	zat	well, my rollback.txt in my public server is 1.6gbs
15:25	VanessaE	you know, for every place action in the rollback, for example, execute that action in a suitable sandbox and let your sql implementation capture the event in its normal fashion
15:25	zat	now I am adapting my implementation so at startup it migrates the whole file to the sqlite table.
15:25	VanessaE	oh, good idea
15:25	VanessaE	that's essentially what I was suggesting anyway
15:25	zat	so you also suggested it before?
15:26	VanessaE	no, only justnow
15:26	zat	ah good
15:26	zat	well, but this change will make, I am afraid, the switch only one way.
15:26	zat	I did not want to let both methods coexists mainly for the code is a real mess
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15:29	VanessaE	that's okay, I see no reason, personally, to keep the old .txt method if the sqlite method is superior, assuming you can guarantee that sqlite will always be available (in light of the alternate database backends option)
15:31	zat	that is precisely my uncertainty... I think I will need someone to tell me if it is good enough
15:38	ShadowNinja	zat: SQLite should always be available, especially is there are more uses for it than for a map. Or at least support for it won't be droped without a bug version bump. (1.0.0 or so)
15:39	ShadowNinja	if * big*
15:39	zat	that clears it then
15:40	VanessaE	works for me.
15:45	thexyz	what's this sqlite rollback?
15:51	VanessaE	thexyz: storing the rollback data in the form of a database, sorted by username, instead of a flat text file.
15:51	ShadowNinja	thexyz: It is the rollback fix on the TODO AFAIK. SQLite should hold this kind of data well, I once wrote a Lua implementation of rollback with luasql.sqlite, but I needed to set nodes, param1, param2, and meta in unloaded chanks.
15:51	VanessaE	faster to search, faster to write
15:52	VanessaE	perhaps also resulting in a smaller file for the same number of rollback-able actions
15:54	zat	If it knows how to optimize its store like Postgres does, then it would be much better.
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16:02	thexyz	so it'll only work with sqlite backend?
16:05	ShadowNinja	thexyz: No, it uses a seperate SQLite database.
16:05	ShadowNinja	(At least I think so)
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16:18	Jordach	Calinou, [17:18:05] <CaptainKiwi> :>
16:18	Jordach	it is spreading :>
16:36	zat	Yes it has a separate SQLite database, thexyz, ShadowNinja.
16:36	zat	I am testing now... my build is writing data to both rollback.txt and rollback.sqlite.
16:37	zat	the sqlite file tends to be 10k bigger than the txt file before reaching around the 600k.
16:38	zat	after that, the sqlite file seems to optimize and be smaller, compared to the txt, as it grows.
16:39	thexyz	this is cool then
16:41	twoelk	would the rollback db allow access while the game is running?
16:41	twoelk	from outside the game
16:42	zat	twoelk: I dont see why not... never tried it though
16:42	zat	for read only, maybe it should work
16:42	zat	sqlite: 3.0mb, txt:3.2mb
16:43	twoelk	the mapping thingie seems to need the world database to be closed for example
16:44	thexyz	http://www.sqlite.org/faq.html#q5
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16:50	twoelk	so I could query the rollback database to feed some life usage statistics (like nodes mined per hour)
16:50	twoelk	and not bother/endanger the world file
16:51	PilzAdam	you can do that in mods too
16:51	twoelk	this sounds safer
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16:52	twoelk	and should not bother the main process with more work
16:52	PilzAdam	with the rollback method you get all the liquid updates too
16:54	twoelk	interesting
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17:00	zat	are param1 and param2 always int?
17:00	us`0gb	I believe so.
17:00	us`0gb	I think an eight bit int.
17:00	PilzAdam	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L298
17:01	PilzAdam	"param1 and param2 are 8 bit integers."
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17:24	us`0gb	I tried to fix one of them yesterday and failed.
17:25	us`0gb	I imagine other people are trying as well, but it will take time.
17:28	us`0gb	Like what?
17:29	us`0gb	THere's also features that are so lame that they are bugs.
17:29	us`0gb	Ah, those. I do like the slab bug.
17:30	us`0gb	THough with the new API, we don't even need the slab bug. We can make nodes that block fall damage without holding shift.
17:32	us`0gb	SOmeone did it already, though I don't know what plugin it is. An I plan to do it again.
17:32	us`0gb	It depends on how bad the bug is. For example, the slab bug isn't hurting anyone.
17:33	PilzAdam	it does hurt game creators that want to create non-easy games
17:33	us`0gb	Carts and animals aren't yet supported, that's third-party work.
17:33	us`0gb	PilzAdam, fair enough.
17:34	us`0gb	Do non-easy games have a use for slabs?
17:34	PilzAdam	well, I can just speak for pilztest, and this has no non-cubic blocks
17:34	us`0gb	Slabs tend to be for decoration, which isn't needed in hard mode.
17:34	PilzAdam	but the shift-elevator thing is annoying me
17:34	PilzAdam	Id like to have a function to disable sneaking
17:34	us`0gb	Yeah, I can see that.
17:35	PilzAdam	i.e. holding shift just makes you walk, it shouldnt affect the your collissionbox
17:35	PilzAdam	john_minetest, for minetest_game maybe, not for other games
17:36	us`0gb	The sneak ladders are also annoying to server administrators that have anticheat on. They allow players to pass the legal speed, then they complain about being sent back.
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17:38	us`0gb	One could argue that the gameplay is already damaged, and removal would fix it.
17:39	us`0gb	Glitches are glitches. Some "features" are more anoying than the glitches, but that doesn't mean the glitches should stay forever.
17:40	us`0gb	Fair enough. But in the long run, fixing bugs is a better option than leaving them even longer.
17:40	us`0gb	WHile I do like that quasi-feature, that doesn't mean I think it should exist in a complete game.
17:41	us`0gb	Especially with an API-supported non-buggy way to achieve that effect.
17:41	PilzAdam	thats a downside of people playing a game while its being developed
17:42	PilzAdam	you have the same problem with MC, many people complained after alpha about the direction Mojang took
17:43	us`0gb	Also the fact that entities fall off the edge of the world. This has crashed servers in the past.
17:44	PilzAdam	does MC have shaders by default?
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18:01	PilzAdam	I have a fix for the black falling nodes somewhere
18:09	PilzAdam	its hacky
18:11	* us`0gb	wishes sites would stop hiding package downloads
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18:48	rubenwardy	Hi all
18:48	us`0gb	Hello!
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18:54	VanessaE	hi
18:56	* Jordach_	plays the old Blue Peter theme
18:56	* rubenwardy	playing with OE CAKE
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19:07	VanessaE	rubenwardy: did you ever use that image like you wanted to>
19:07	VanessaE	for the minetest swag
19:07	rubenwardy	yeah
19:07	VanessaE	link? :)
19:07	rubenwardy	Not reviewed yet
19:07	VanessaE	ok
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19:19	PilzAdam	lol, the english wikipedia has an article about the B243 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesstra%C3%9Fe_243
19:20	PilzAdam	maybe the goal of wikipedia is to create an article for each road in every country that is longer than 100 km
19:22	us`0gb	Who builds one meter roads? That's a waste of space.
19:23	PilzAdam	1m roads are maybe just paths in peoples gardens
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19:24	us`0gb	Ah. Wikipedia articles about garden paths. That should be interesting as people remodel their yards.
19:24	* us`0gb	busts up laughing
19:25	us`0gb	This channel is logged, we can cite that.
19:26	PilzAdam	is this a trustworthy source?
19:26	PilzAdam	if yes then, 1=2
19:26	PilzAdam	feel free to cite that
19:27	thexyz	you just broke the world
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19:27	PilzAdam	thexyz, I just made the world better, since 1 kitten = 2 kittens now!
19:27	thexyz	john_minetest: where are you from, actually?
19:28	us`0gb	I have an algebraic equasion somewhere that looks like a proof that zero equals one. On closer inspection though, it exploits a divide by zero error.
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19:29	thexyz	hm so are drugs allowed in germany now?
19:29	PilzAdam	us`0gb, who doesnt have something like this?
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19:29	Peacock	drugs, Germany, intriguing
19:29	us`0gb	So one equals two shouldn't be hard. Add one to both sides of the equation.
19:30	us`0gb	Yay bogus math!
19:30	PilzAdam	thexyz, only alcohol, nicotin and caffeine
19:30	Peacock	god knows they could plug the deficits in Canada if they legalized/taxed the stuff lol
19:30	PilzAdam	and maybe other things as medical therapy
19:31	thexyz	makes sense
19:32	Peacock	eventually they'll have to anyhow, governments can't afford to keep locking people up for decades for petty drug use
19:32	Peacock	well they wouldn't be illegal then :P
19:33	Peacock	seriously, thats what i keep saying lol
19:33	PilzAdam	IMO nicotine should become illegal, especially in cigarettes
19:33	Peacock	we can hardly afford healthcare and pensions for the aged, could use the extra revenue
19:33	PilzAdam	or, 100â‚¬ tax per gramm
19:34	kahrl	US can't legalize drug use, it would put the private prison companies out of business
19:34	Peacock	meh, cigarettes are taxed enough already, when they start charging the same taxes on junk food, then people can moralize to me about smoking lol
19:34	Peacock	kahrl it's already legal in some states
19:34	Peacock	Oregon and ... i forget :/
19:35	Peacock	its kinda frustrating to see the state (here) pay for mobility scooters, without taxing the cause of obesity, but i have to pay for my vices lol
19:36	Peacock	what about e-cigarettes? i hear those are big in europe, are they really more healthy, or is that BS?
19:36	PilzAdam	john_minetest, because it doesnt work?
19:37	Peacock	6 months old, if it hasn't been pulled by now, theres always a reason :P
19:37	kahrl	besides, RBA has been remaking the whole shader system
19:37	us`0gb	I agree. THings get forgotten.
19:37	kahrl	so there's not really much point to make small changes to the existing one
19:38	VanessaE	https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest
19:38	VanessaE	^^^^ the aforementioned shaders.
19:38	us`0gb	If there is some non-forgetful reason, it should be posted in the pull topic.
19:38	Peacock	more interested in RBAs skydome work :-)
19:38	PilzAdam	us`0gb, it is written there
19:38	Calinou	john_minetest: shaders need a decent graphics card anyway :>
19:38	us`0gb	Oh, then my argument does not apply to that specific pull.
19:38	Peacock	which most people have :P
19:39	us`0gb	Shaders are a must if you are a miner.
19:39	Peacock	+1 for the bugfixing, tho im somewhat happy that the sky/horizon flicker thing has eased abit in the latest git
19:40	Peacock	(when you're underground i mean)
19:41	Peacock	just kinda annoying when the sun/moon pops up intermittently underground :P
19:41	Peacock	my fps drops lower than that in my mall, the store items all have entities representing the node for sale
19:42	Peacock	is there a config for that? like active entity range or something?
19:44	Peacock	wow, all the entities in the mall were loaded lol 0 FPS
19:44	Peacock	i guess turning rotation off didn't do much lol
19:46	VanessaE	clearly something is dreadfully wrong with entities now
19:47	VanessaE	a thousand little 2d sprites or even extruded models as in the item_frames mod shouldn't have hardly any impact
19:47	VanessaE	yet it does.
19:48	Peacock	i think the main problem is all of the entities in my mall are loaded at once
19:48	Peacock	a range and a max loaded entities might help with that (not sure)
19:49	Peacock	my store items are like item frames - theyre small boxes with a tiny version of the node inside
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19:50	jojoa1997	does anyone do videos here?
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19:51	Peacock	the kind you're not proud of or the let's play variety?
19:51	Peacock	:P
19:51	Calinou	<us`0gb> Shaders are a must if you are a miner. => why?
19:51	Calinou	:P
19:53	jojoa1997	ok i will rephrase the question
19:54	jojoa1997	anyone know of a really good/non-laggy screncapture recording system?
19:54	jojoa1997	or program?
19:54	Peacock	as if France, UK, Germany, Russia, China and even my own country don't do their own spying... :P
19:54	thexyz	jojoa1997: what platform?
19:54	jojoa1997	ubuntu
19:54	jojoa1997	but i think any on linux should be compatable with ubuntu if i compile it
19:55	thexyz	just use recordmydesktop then
19:56	thexyz	if you don't need quality it'll suffice
19:57	Peacock	theres xvidcap too, lagged less for me
19:57	thexyz	lol xvid
19:57	jojoa1997	i do need quality though
19:57	thexyz	anyway, if you want quality, I guess you'll have to have fun with ffmpeg
19:57	Peacock	well when it comes to running both minetest and screen recording... lag matters :P
19:58	jojoa1997	i guess a lets play level quality
19:58	thexyz	this shit looks cool http://www.maartenbaert.be/simplescreenrecorder/
19:59	thexyz	configure it to record opengl and try it
20:00	thexyz	if it doesn't work then switch to rectangle mode, i guess
20:00	thexyz	make sure to use h264 output
20:00	jojoa1997	is it possible to be able to set this to download with sudo apt-get update
20:00	jojoa1997	gosh it sucks being a noob again
20:01	thexyz	there's an instruction at the bottom describing how to install it for ubuntu
20:01	jojoa1997	k
20:01	harrison	Peacock: is your comment about lag related to the mention of ffmpeg in the previous line?
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20:02	harrison	ffmpeg works well
20:02	harrison	after one gets it to work
20:02	harrison	at all
20:02	harrison	http://youtu.be/-xkMuqMb32M
20:03	thexyz	wow it can mkv
20:03	thexyz	what a wonderful toy
20:06	jojoa1997	what is realtime rendering?
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20:08	sfan5	jojoa1997: "realtime rendering" is something you can enter into your favourite search engine
20:08	jojoa1997	i already did
20:08	jojoa1997	i was just waiting for someone to way that
20:09	jojoa1997	Real-time rendering is one of the interactive areas of computer graphics, it means creating synthetic images fast enough on the computer so that the viewer can interact with a virtual environment. The most common place to find real-time rendering is in video games. The rate at which images are displayed is measured in frames per second (frame/s) or Hertz (Hz). The frame rate is the measurement of how quickly an imaging device pro
20:09	jojoa1997	duces unique consecutive images.
20:09	jojoa1997	:)
20:09	Calinou	any game is real time rendering
20:09	Peacock	john_minetest, the way i understand it, countries don't spy on their own citizens, so they ask other countries to do it for them, and they do the same for others, tidy arrangement
20:10	Peacock	well just because the yanks got caught with their pants down, doesn't mean they're the only ones doing it :P
20:14	Peacock	true
20:14	Peacock	though in any case, its not as if this shit hasn't been going on since WW1
20:14	jojoa1997	peanut butter pickles
20:14	Peacock	mail, phone, telex lines, the internet is just the most recent addition
20:15	Peacock	why do you think even in gangster movies from 20, 30 years, they'd never speak over the phones lol
20:15	Peacock	people aren't dumb
20:16	Peacock	well the successful gangster types werent dumb at least lol
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20:17	Peacock	wow, another boat capsizes off Italy, did they mine their coasts? lol
20:27	harrison	no, good idea tho
20:27	harrison	what should they mine for?
20:29	Peacock	damn, some old geezer beat my wife to the last turkey and lamb, so were having duck for thanksgiving lol
20:33	Peacock	how do i cook duck?
20:33	Calinou	make a duck face for 20 seconds
20:33	Peacock	this ain't New Jersey :P
20:39	harrison	if you can get that duck breed that starts with "m"
20:39	harrison	those are delicious
20:39	harrison	brown
20:40	harrison	muscovy duck
20:40	harrison	get one of those at the butcher shop
20:41	harrison	or live slaughter emporium
20:41	* Calinou	never goes to a butcher shop
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20:45	Peacock	lac brome duck - locally sourced
20:45	Peacock	though the lamb was new zealand, so im kinda pissed off the geezer took the last 4
20:45	Peacock	and she was gonna take the last duck too, but my wife was like "bitch please"
20:45	Peacock	(thatta girl)
20:48	harrison	once upon a time, i was the ugly duckling, see?
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20:48	harrison	you all remind me of the ducks that used to f*** with me
20:48	harrison	but no i find my glossy plumage can preempt
20:49	harrison	your slings and arrows. yeah, i still feel contempt
20:49	harrison	but now it's mixed with pity
20:49	harrison	for all the drab inhabitants of mediocre city
20:49	harrison	i 'm almost finished -- but before you answer back
20:50	harrison	please try to think of some reply besides a feeble quack
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20:50	Peacock	last time i cooked duck, it felt like eating rubber boots :S
20:51	Peacock	(english cooking strikes again)
20:51	Peacock	:P
20:54	us`0gb	Calinou, shaders give you night vision in Minetest. You could use torches instead, but it slows you down.
20:54	Calinou	night vision? not for me...
20:54	Calinou	it's hard for me to see at night
20:54	Calinou	no brightness setting :'(
20:54	us`0gb	On my scree, I can't see in caves without shaders.
20:55	us`0gb	*screen
20:57	sfan5	wat
20:57	harrison	wat
20:57	harrison	right
20:57	harrison	right
20:58	Peacock	the other morning, the cat was sleeping in the wifes butt - proving that even black cats like big butts
20:58	Peacock	*on
20:58	Peacock	lol
20:58	sfan5	>black cat
20:58	sfan5	>big butts
20:58	sfan5	yep
21:01	harrison	The drake has a low breathy call, and the hen a quiet trilling coo.
21:02	thexyz	https://forum.minetest.net/search.php?action=show_user_posts&user_id=7699
21:02	thexyz	quality
21:03	Menche	lol
21:03	Menche	"Hello,Can anyone Help Me Create Mods Myself,??"
21:03	Peacock	simply answer "yes" lol
21:04	Menche	i'd feel more inclined to help if he hadn't forgetten to capitalize "anyone" as well ;P
21:04	us`0gb	I agree though, <+\|-><number> is really pointless.
21:04	Menche	yeah
21:04	Peacock	"sumtin" "dat", when did minetest become the ghetto?
21:04	Menche	lol
21:05	Peacock	tell him "you learn propa english or i be poppin' caps in yo ass yo"
21:05	paramat	heh
21:05	thexyz	us`0gb: +1
21:06	us`0gb	...
21:06	Peacock	ah, there it is: http://englishtoghetto.com/
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21:06	Menche	http://rinkworks.com/dialect/
21:07	Menche	http://rinkworks.com/dialect/dialectp.cgi?dialect=redneck&url=http%3A%2F%2Fminetest.net
21:07	Peacock	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ebonics
21:07	thexyz	> ah was flyin' aroun' in mah U.F.O. wif a shitload of fuel in mah invento'y searchin' th' deserts fo' pyramids. â€“ Th' interestin' part is: ah foun' th' pyramid ha'f-buried in th' san'! Fry mah hide!
21:09	Peacock	i think i'll take that rapture now lol
21:11	Peacock	ain't nobody got time fo dat
21:12	Peacock	the scary part is you could rig the bot to provide english-to-ebonics translations lol
21:13	harrison	Peacock: I feel offended by your recent action(s). Please read http://stop-irc-bullying.eu/stop
21:13	Menche	?
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21:16	JackGruff	Hi guys. If I want to delete a part of world such that the game remakes it, do I have delete the right rows from the sqlite table or can I use worldedit?
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21:17	Menche	delete from the table
21:17	Menche	worldedit would just replace it with air; it wouldn't be regenerated
21:17	JackGruff	yeah, i was hoping worldedit would have that like MCedit did for minecraft chunks
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21:20	JackGruff	i've got the database open in an sqlite reader, how do I read what the coordinate for the pos field is??
21:20	JackGruff	because it's just + or - number
21:22	PilzAdam	JackGruff, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/mapformat.txt#L200
21:22	PilzAdam	note that its the position of the mapblock, so position in nodes / 16
21:23	JackGruff	thanks, why couldn't you guys have just made it x, y, z ?
21:23	JackGruff	i.e. 3 fields
21:24	PilzAdam	"Today we know that SQLite3 allows multiple primary keys (which would allow
21:24	PilzAdam	storing coordinates separately), but the format has been kept unchanged for
21:24	PilzAdam	that part. So, this is where it has come."
21:24	PilzAdam	same document, some lines above the linked line
21:24	JackGruff	ah
21:25	PilzAdam	maybe its also easier to port to other DB backends, Im not very familiar with that part
21:25	PilzAdam	(we currently also have a leveldb backend)
21:27	Peacock	sorry was away, harrison feel free to file a human rights complaint :P
21:30	JackGruff	well, I'll post this as a feature suggestion on the forum thread
21:30	JackGruff	right now I don't feel like setting up the loops and making sure ive got the right blocks from my world
21:32	harrison	Don't blockblock me man!
21:33	Peacock	no one's going to cockblock you harrison
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21:36	harrison	blockblock
21:37	Peacock	my bad :P
21:37	harrison	get your filthy mind out of our nice clean gutter
21:38	PilzAdam	bye
21:38	Menche	what's going on?
21:40	Peacock	not much lol
21:43	JackGruff	have u guys played hydrophobia?
21:47	harrison	My aunt died of rabies. Your remark stirred old, sad memories.
21:47	harrison	JackGruff: I feel offended by your recent action(s). Please read http://stop-irc-bullying.eu/stop
21:48	Peacock	freenode is hardly the place to bitch about bullying :P try bringing up windows or google for fun :P
21:49	JackGruff	is harrison the village clown or something?
21:49	Peacock	naw he's our special-ed greeter (like at walmart)
21:50	Menche	lol
21:50	Menche	"Hello mean guy!"
21:51	Peacock	on a channel where some dont believe in drinking, getting high, going out or getting layed, define weird lol
21:52	* john_minetest	puts a pony on Peacock's head
21:52	JackGruff	JackGruff sets mode +clown on harrison
21:52	Peacock	all i'm missing is a mercedes and a sauna now
21:52	Menche	!title
21:52	MinetestBot	Menche: What is realism in realtime rendering? - YouTube
21:52	Peacock	"you know my sister Violet, she's the one with the mercedes, sauna and room for a pony"
21:53	Menche	that youtube video... what exactly is that?
21:54	* Menche	isn't sure what he is looking at
21:54	Peacock	looks like a japanese commercial
22:03	paramat	wow good video and project
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22:07	khonkhortisan	I am not a person like that, and you can guess which half of the sentence is why
22:08	Peacock	sure you can trust me, i just need your name, adress, DOB, mother's maiden, your banking info, and should have a build ready in no time XD
22:09	khonkhortisan	give him the number to the identity theft service as well
22:09	Peacock	lol
22:09	khonkhortisan	I haven't figured out mingw yet
22:09	NakedFury	Social security number, favorite color, middle and high school info, and your first pets name
22:10	Peacock	ironically, it's those security questions that make it easy to hijack accounts
22:10	NakedFury	yup
22:10	NakedFury	really first pets name? high schools name?
22:10	NakedFury	place of birth? bunch of crap security questions
22:11	NakedFury	you just need to make him a friend in facebook and you have all that
22:11	Peacock	i usually go for the custom question, "schlong size", if someone wants to hijack my accounts, they'll have to blow me lol
22:11	NakedFury	nasty lol
22:11	Peacock	lol
22:11	NakedFury	ill send a hooker to do that. she will tell me later
22:12	Peacock	canadian hookers cost more than my accounts are worth lol
22:13	Peacock	though i dont use any form of credit, so i must not make a really tempting target in the first place
22:13	Peacock	(dont really believe in mortgaging paycheques to the bank)
22:15	Peacock	the best is people who anounce their vacations and how long they'll be gone for, along with a home phone number on their profile, a home phone number you can match to an address in the phonebook lol
22:16	khonkhortisan	So only because they're not there, you can find their house
22:16	khonkhortisan	oh on _profile_
22:16	Peacock	they can find it anytime, but telling people when you won't be home isn't terribly smart when you add just about anyone on facebook
22:18	khonkhortisan	You wouldn't think about giving someone the same information on irc, but that's because there's no text box to fill it in.
22:18	NakedFury	"wooo vacation time on las vegas april 20 to may 5. leaving tomorrow at 3pm"
22:19	NakedFury	incredibly moronic thing to post in facebook
22:19	Peacock	thats why dumb people like that have insurance, for everyone else, there's huting rifles XD
22:20	Peacock	*hunting
22:20	khonkhortisan	there's probably someone out there that makes use of that information just to camp out at their house and leave a note "I could've robbed you, you should be more careful"
22:21	khonkhortisan	"You're home early" takes a whole new meaning
22:23	Peacock	heck last time we had a breaking, we held them at bay with a hammer and a big wrench until the cops showed lol
22:26	Peacock	what's even dumber is 3 years ago we didn't have much worth stealing lol
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22:46	Peacock	john do the robbers pose? lol
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23:16	dante123	hi all, is there a way to making a world map with the continents using a picture or something? I'm a grade 3 teacher and want to use minetest in an educational but fun way....and I'm lookin for an easy way to make a world map. Any tips/help is appreciated.
23:17	dante123	Method Im looking at right now is going to take a million years.
23:23	JesseH	Oh man, that would be an interesting project.
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23:27	dante123	what I want is mini versions of the continents and oceans.....
23:27	JesseH	So you just want a worldmap?
23:27	dante123	yes
23:27	JesseH	I thought you mean converting an image to a map :P
23:28	dante123	I want to be able to have groups of kids work on "building up" their assigned continents
23:28	JesseH	hmm, I wish you were my teacher in 3rd grade
23:28	JesseH	I just solved math problems for fun and slept >:(
23:28	dante123	well, having an image of a world map as the basis is what I was wanting to do
23:29	dante123	in other worlds.......oceans and then just flat continents....assign each group of kids the task of adding features....say Amazon river and Andes to south america.....and Rockies and missisipi to North America
23:29	dante123	Big enough to do that...but not too big
23:30	JesseH	I am unsure on how to do this.
23:30	JesseH	Someone else here might be.
23:30	JesseH	Anyone know how to get a picture of a large chunk of the map, from an overhead view?
23:31	dante123	i'm reading a thread about World Painter for minecraft and looking for tools that could help do this in minetest
23:31	jin_xi	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6751
23:31	dante123	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5333
23:33	dante123	yeah that post you linked to has something similar
23:33	dante123	map of temple island
23:34	dante123	this is probably over my head though
23:35	dante123	If someone could help create the continent maps ...I could help generate lots of interest from teachers/students
23:35	dante123	with minetest based projects in social studies using world map
23:35	Taoki	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=114007 I'm looking for an experienced programmer to help with a code, for a mode which will likely be pretty awesome if I ever get it done. See post #4 specifically.
23:37	dante123	brb
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23:55	zat1	ERROR[ServerThread]: RollbackAction::applyRevert(): n_old.name=air, SerializationError: deSerializeLongString: size not read
23:55	zat1	what could this be? any ideas?

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