| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:06 |
zat |
My server is not even trying to announce when server_announce = 1 |
| 00:06 |
zat |
(USE_CURL was used) |
| 00:06 |
zat |
What might it be? |
| 00:06 |
zat |
(compiling from latest commit) |
| 00:12 |
diemartin |
zat, did you use -DUSE_CURL=1 or -DENABLE_CURL=1 ? |
| 00:12 |
diemartin |
ENABLE_CURL is the correct one AFAIK |
| 00:13 |
zat |
curl |
| 00:13 |
zat |
cool* I will check, I was using the USE_ one. |
| 00:14 |
diemartin |
also, I'd use -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 |
| 00:14 |
diemartin |
but that's just preference |
| 00:14 |
zat |
I am using it :) |
| 00:14 |
diemartin |
good :) |
| 00:17 |
dafull97 |
us `0gb, do you know how to change a new spawn point |
| 00:17 |
dafull97 |
only for new players |
| 00:18 |
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| 00:22 |
thefamilygrog66 |
dafull97: add this line (changing to whatever coords you prefer) to the minetest.conf file: static_spawnpoint = 0, 3, 0 |
| 00:22 |
zat |
diemartin: strange, doesnt work either |
| 00:24 |
dafull97 |
thanks dude! |
| 00:24 |
dafull97 |
@ thefamilygrog66 |
| 00:24 |
zat |
My config has: http://pastebin.com/JW7cUKMA , I guess it is fine. ? |
| 00:24 |
thefamilygrog66 |
np |
| 00:24 |
dafull97 |
server announce = 1 |
| 00:24 |
dafull97 |
server_announce = 1 |
| 00:25 |
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| 00:25 |
zat |
It has underscore |
| 00:25 |
zat |
-- CURL_INCLUDE_DIR = CURL_INCLUDE_DIR-NOTFOUND |
| 00:25 |
diemartin |
zat, did it detect cURL at cmake stage? |
| 00:25 |
zat |
¬¬!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:25 |
diemartin |
aha! :) |
| 00:26 |
zat |
damn me for not reading carefully that... thanks die! |
| 00:26 |
diemartin |
np :) |
| 00:30 |
dafull97 |
+1 for diemartin has helped alot of people! |
| 00:31 |
diemartin |
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/memes/00-stopit.png |
| 00:31 |
zat |
Have the LEL meme diemartin? |
| 00:32 |
diemartin |
zat: http://fuuu.us |
| 00:32 |
zat |
there is not the one I know |
| 00:33 |
zat |
diemartin → http://uppix.net/YQ2V6T.jpg |
| 00:34 |
diemartin |
O_o' |
| 00:35 |
zat |
le me |
| 00:36 |
diemartin |
zat face |
| 00:36 |
zat |
die |
| 00:36 |
diemartin |
martin |
| 00:37 |
zat |
please |
| 00:39 |
nanomo |
what are the software requirments to run minetest on windows? |
| 00:40 |
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| 00:41 |
Whitemau5 |
ok so i have a question |
| 00:41 |
us`0gb |
Your question has been taken into consideration. Please hold while we deliberate upon an answer. |
| 00:42 |
Whitemau5 |
i havent even asked it yet -_- |
| 00:43 |
PilzAdam |
this brins the question up: why havent you asked it yet? |
| 00:43 |
PilzAdam |
*brings |
| 00:44 |
diemartin |
nanomo, a PC with Microsoft Windows XP or later installed, and optionally an user |
| 00:44 |
nanomo |
diemartin: i have a win2003 server and minetest close right after the cmd console it's showed |
| 00:45 |
diemartin |
maybe also a relatively recent graphics card and CPU |
| 00:45 |
PilzAdam |
nanomo, do you have opengl support? |
| 00:45 |
nanomo |
diemartin: if i run a cmd ,. change the directory to /bin and run minetest.exe --help nothing happens |
| 00:45 |
diemartin |
(dual core recommended, though it's reported to run on a P4) |
| 00:45 |
nanomo |
PilzAdam: it's a VPS, so i don't think there is some graphic card |
| 00:46 |
PilzAdam |
--help doesnt work? thats strange |
| 00:46 |
nanomo |
nope, but if i use the same files on win7 every works |
| 00:46 |
Whitemau5 |
ok here it is: i want ot create a skin for minetest so i can play it, but i dont know: is there a specific webistie to create a minetest skin or can i use a minecraft skin creator website such as: minecraftskins.com |
| 00:47 |
PilzAdam |
Minetest's skins are compatible with Minecraft's |
| 00:47 |
PilzAdam |
so yes, you can use that editor |
| 00:48 |
Whitemau5 |
ok because i want to make a skin on minecraftskins.com and have someone upload it for me on minetest on a server but i wanted to make sure i kne wwhat to do |
| 00:50 |
Whitemau5 |
thanks bye |
| 00:52 |
PilzAdam |
nanomo, I dont like to suggest that, but try running it as admin |
| 00:53 |
* us`0gb |
gasps |
| 00:53 |
nanomo |
PilzAdam: i tried that too :( |
| 00:53 |
* us`0gb |
gasps again |
| 00:54 |
PilzAdam |
have you tried restarting? |
| 00:54 |
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| 00:55 |
dafull97 |
sorry closed tab didnt relize |
| 01:01 |
nanomo |
PilzAdam: yes, i've installed vc redistributable 2010 too |
| 01:01 |
PilzAdam |
Im out of ideas now |
| 01:01 |
PilzAdam |
what a shitty OS just closes programs without... anythin? |
| 01:02 |
dafull97 |
PilzAdam, i might could help a little... i Remoted to his Computer/Server |
| 01:02 |
nanomo |
PilzAdam: yes, and seems not to create debug.txt neither |
| 01:03 |
PilzAdam |
well, if --help doesnt work then it simply doesnt start the program at all |
| 01:04 |
dafull97 |
nanomo, can i conenct via remote again... i might have one more idea |
| 01:04 |
* PilzAdam |
wouldnt give dafull97 access... |
| 01:05 |
dafull97 |
why not, i already did... im not a hacker -_- |
| 01:06 |
zat |
Damn the only thing I need to get working is giving certain privileges to one user, and modifying the auth.txt when the server is off does not work. |
| 01:06 |
dafull97 |
i can help with that zat |
| 01:06 |
dafull97 |
minetest.conf |
| 01:06 |
nanomo |
i did :S |
| 01:07 |
zat |
There I am, viming the file. |
| 01:07 |
dafull97 |
cd .. |
| 01:07 |
dafull97 |
cd .. |
| 01:07 |
dafull97 |
crap |
| 01:07 |
dafull97 |
haha |
| 01:07 |
zat |
kik |
| 01:07 |
PilzAdam |
the fact that you are not a hacker is why I wouldnt give you access |
| 01:08 |
PilzAdam |
if you were a hacker then you would follow the ethical guidelines of the hacker community |
| 01:08 |
dafull97 |
i c, i'm meaning i would make a shortcut to the minetest.exe file and put --help as a aruguement |
| 01:09 |
PilzAdam |
that wouldnt help |
| 01:09 |
dafull97 |
and see the output |
| 01:09 |
dafull97 |
how not? |
| 01:09 |
dafull97 |
then see if the program was functionable at all |
| 01:10 |
PilzAdam |
because it does the same thing as typing that into a cmd? |
| 01:10 |
dafull97 |
yea true, haha |
| 01:10 |
dafull97 |
beside that it runs as administrator |
| 01:10 |
dafull97 |
with shortcut |
| 01:10 |
dafull97 |
run cmd as admin then it the same thing |
| 01:11 |
dafull97 |
zat, goto minetest.conf and search for name and set the name of your main admin or whatever and un "#" it at the beginning |
| 01:12 |
dafull97 |
save it |
| 01:12 |
dafull97 |
restart server |
| 01:12 |
zat |
Yes dafull97, I am the admin, but I want to give fly, noclip and teleport to another user. |
| 01:12 |
PilzAdam |
you should first shut down the server, then edit minetest.conf, and then start again |
| 01:12 |
PilzAdam |
btw |
| 01:12 |
dafull97 |
in game goto chat, /grant <username> fly |
| 01:12 |
dafull97 |
and replace fly with priv |
| 01:13 |
zat |
I want them to persist |
| 01:13 |
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| 01:13 |
dafull97 |
it will save them |
| 01:13 |
dafull97 |
until you revoke it |
| 01:14 |
dafull97 |
such as /revoke <username> <privalege> |
| 01:14 |
zat |
it does not |
| 01:14 |
dafull97 |
hmm, it should? |
| 01:14 |
zat |
the user logs out and they are still the original |
| 01:14 |
dafull97 |
you can edit it in the players section |
| 01:14 |
zat |
is it possible? |
| 01:15 |
Inocudom |
Here is a video of someone that managed to keep a male griefer (carpenter) bee as a pet. It was a docile pet. |
| 01:15 |
Inocudom |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=rmN52-EIIpI |
| 01:15 |
dafull97 |
maybe not... im looking now... there is a way some where |
| 01:16 |
PilzAdam |
Inocudom, youtube provides shorter links under "share" |
| 01:17 |
dafull97 |
found it! /.minetest/worlds/yourworld/auth.txt |
| 01:17 |
dafull97 |
and find there username |
| 01:17 |
dafull97 |
add privs |
| 01:17 |
zat |
remember, my first message: |
| 01:17 |
zat |
Damn the only thing I need to get working is giving certain privileges to one user, and modifying the auth.txt when the server is off does not work. |
| 01:17 |
Inocudom |
http://youtu.be/rmN52-EIIpI |
| 01:18 |
dafull97 |
you save it right? the /grant <username> <privs> worked for me and save |
| 01:18 |
dafull97 |
until i /revoke |
| 01:19 |
Inocudom |
It does work, I see. That particular male griefer bee can make for a good pet if it has honey and a small home container. |
| 01:24 |
* dafull97 |
is getting on his server |
| 01:25 |
PilzAdam |
zat, so, did I understand it correectly? /grant works while the player is logged in, but when he quits and rejoins then it doesnt work? |
| 01:32 |
zat |
Right Pilz. |
| 01:33 |
PilzAdam |
do you get any warnings about file access issues? |
| 01:35 |
zat |
nothing |
| 01:35 |
zat |
(new players are correctly added to the file) |
| 01:37 |
PilzAdam |
have you modified builtin in any way? |
| 01:41 |
dafull97 |
i offically admit i need to learn more before helping other players |
| 01:41 |
dafull97 |
Help? : http://pastebin.com/SCHeLtbq |
| 01:42 |
zat |
PilzAdam: never touched builtin |
| 01:42 |
zat |
could it be a mod? |
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| 01:46 |
dafull97 |
VanessaE, are you here? |
| 01:46 |
Inocudom |
http://youtu.be/u0cuWrVReSo (oOChainLynxOo's new video of the nyan cat server) |
| 01:48 |
codehero |
huh. the mob mod works quite good |
| 01:48 |
codehero |
the only thing that bothers me is the spawning :P |
| 01:49 |
zat |
is actually the mobs mod expensive? |
| 01:51 |
codehero |
in terms of resources? |
| 01:55 |
zat |
yes |
| 01:55 |
PilzAdam |
bye |
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| 02:16 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I've uploaded my new Magic Beans mod to GitHub, and have included 16px textures for those who'd prefer that (cough...Jordach): https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7307 |
| 02:16 |
dafull97 |
need Help |
| 02:16 |
thefamilygrog66 |
what's up? |
| 02:17 |
dafull97 |
wow, nevermind |
| 02:17 |
dafull97 |
simple fix haha |
| 02:17 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I like those ones! |
| 02:17 |
dafull97 |
getting better at this =D |
| 02:17 |
thefamilygrog66 |
It's a fun learning curve, sort of... :) |
| 02:17 |
dafull97 |
hope i can help many people in the future |
| 02:17 |
dafull97 |
yes learn alot in the last week |
| 02:20 |
zat |
wow, Minecraft is the most sluggish game I have ever tried. I just tried to... try it. |
| 02:20 |
dafull97 |
who knows Lua? |
| 02:22 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I know some lua, why? |
| 02:22 |
dafull97 |
what other languages you know? |
| 02:22 |
thefamilygrog66 |
php |
| 02:22 |
thefamilygrog66 |
javascript |
| 02:22 |
thefamilygrog66 |
BASIC |
| 02:22 |
thefamilygrog66 |
haha |
| 02:22 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Pascal |
| 02:22 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Turing |
| 02:23 |
dafull97 |
nice ok... |
| 02:23 |
thefamilygrog66 |
PERL |
| 02:23 |
dafull97 |
python? |
| 02:23 |
thefamilygrog66 |
haven't played with python yet |
| 02:23 |
dafull97 |
C/C++? |
| 02:23 |
thefamilygrog66 |
nope, again not yet |
| 02:23 |
dafull97 |
what would you suggest out of all the languages you learned? |
| 02:23 |
dafull97 |
and what are the ups of lua nad downs? |
| 02:23 |
thefamilygrog66 |
just the ones that I've either learned at school or needed for work or for fun |
| 02:24 |
zat |
dafull97: suggest... what for? |
| 02:24 |
thefamilygrog66 |
^^^ |
| 02:24 |
thefamilygrog66 |
some are more specialized than others, depends on what you're doing |
| 02:24 |
dafull97 |
what would you suggest out of all the languages you learned? |
| 02:24 |
zat |
what for? |
| 02:24 |
kahrl |
what language is haha? |
| 02:25 |
dafull97 |
On more of the network side, and Gaming, and overall |
| 02:25 |
dafull97 |
programming Language |
| 02:25 |
zat |
what scale of development |
| 02:25 |
zat |
how complicated will it be |
| 02:25 |
zat |
elaborate |
| 02:25 |
thefamilygrog66 |
kahrl, I was laughing at BASIC, cause it's the first one I learned back in the 1980s (I'm old) |
| 02:26 |
kahrl |
Oh, yeah. Laughing at BASIC is permitted. |
| 02:26 |
dafull97 |
haha |
| 02:26 |
zat |
BASIC? I first learned Atari BASIC. |
| 02:26 |
dafull97 |
on Network - |
| 02:26 |
dafull97 |
on Gaming - |
| 02:26 |
dafull97 |
Overall - |
| 02:26 |
thefamilygrog66 |
That said, my last mod - the hedge maze one - was based on an old BASIC program I copied out of compute magazine in '81. |
| 02:26 |
dafull97 |
what would you suggest |
| 02:27 |
zat |
need low maintainance? need performance? need stability? |
| 02:27 |
zat |
what is more important? |
| 02:27 |
thefamilygrog66 |
zat, mine was commodore basic, on a PET then a C64 |
| 02:27 |
zat |
thefamilygrog66: ok wat lol |
| 02:28 |
dafull97 |
i've been more into scripting... what is them, zat |
| 02:28 |
zat |
if you are more into scripting, take a look at lua or javascript. |
| 02:29 |
zat |
for the most pro level of performance... C/C++ |
| 02:31 |
dafull97 |
ok, what is the best for networking... Lua, or javascript |
| 02:31 |
kahrl |
what kind of networking? |
| 02:32 |
thefamilygrog66 |
zat - here's what I learned on: http://www.cosam.org/images/pet/pet.jpg |
| 02:32 |
dafull97 |
overall networking |
| 02:32 |
kahrl |
lua by itself doesn't have networking functions as it's based on the C library |
| 02:32 |
dafull97 |
ok, so C/C++ better for Networking? |
| 02:32 |
kahrl |
don't know about javascript, aside from that you can obviously use it in a HTML page |
| 02:33 |
thefamilygrog66 |
dafull97, if you're referring to website stuff, php and javascript |
| 02:33 |
dafull97 |
no, more of client/Server stuff |
| 02:33 |
thefamilygrog66 |
ahh, gotcha |
| 02:34 |
dafull97 |
lua, what is that used for mostly? |
| 02:34 |
dafull97 |
beside mods |
| 02:34 |
kahrl |
you can do pretty much anything in C and C++, but you might need to write a lot of code depending on what you want |
| 02:36 |
thefamilygrog66 |
http://www.lua.org/about.html |
| 02:36 |
kahrl |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lua_%28programming_language%29#Applications |
| 02:37 |
dafull97 |
instead of reading 100 sentences can you put it into 1-2 sentences im tired haha |
| 02:39 |
kahrl |
not really |
| 02:40 |
dafull97 |
ok ;/ haha |
| 02:41 |
dafull97 |
can you make a hello world of lua in pastebin? =D |
| 02:41 |
dafull97 |
so i can see some code haha |
| 02:41 |
kahrl |
scroll up from my link |
| 02:42 |
dafull97 |
im thinking C/C++ or lua |
| 02:43 |
thefamilygrog66 |
print "hello world" |
| 02:43 |
thefamilygrog66 |
http://www.lua.org/cgi-bin/demo |
| 02:43 |
dafull97 |
that's lua? |
| 02:43 |
dafull97 |
wow preety simple =D |
| 02:43 |
pitriss |
dafull97: you can't compare c/c++ and lua.. c/c++ is programing language, lua is scripting language |
| 02:44 |
dafull97 |
now is lua still used activly? |
| 02:44 |
thefamilygrog66 |
you could also get fancier: io.write("Hello world, from ",_VERSION,"!\n") |
| 02:44 |
dafull97 |
pitriss, i know this |
| 02:45 |
kahrl |
scripting languages aren't programming languages? turing would disagree... |
| 02:45 |
dafull97 |
im trying to decide a programming language/scripting langu\uage to learn |
| 02:45 |
dafull97 |
almost same, i agree |
| 02:45 |
pitriss |
kahrl: i mean, purposes of each of mentioned language |
| 02:46 |
dafull97 |
pitress, i understand... tring to decide a new lang. to learn |
| 02:46 |
dafull97 |
you have any preferances? |
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dafull97_ |
any preferances? |
| 02:51 |
dafull97_ |
i timed out... :/ |
| 02:51 |
kahrl |
it depends on what I'm doing |
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dafull97_ |
yes, overall Lua or C/C++? |
| 02:52 |
kahrl |
I don't have any overall preferences |
| 02:53 |
kahrl |
except no java :P |
| 02:53 |
dafull97_ |
what would you perfer if you had to have one hahahaha |
| 02:53 |
us`0gb |
C is more useful. Lua is easier. |
| 02:53 |
us`0gb |
*C/C++ |
| 02:53 |
dafull97_ |
us `0gb !! |
| 02:53 |
dafull97_ |
finally |
| 02:53 |
dafull97_ |
hahaha |
| 02:54 |
dafull97_ |
jk... |
| 02:54 |
us`0gb |
Finally what? |
| 02:54 |
dafull97_ |
talked :P |
| 02:54 |
us`0gb |
No one said anything to me on this channel, so I was mostly quiet. |
| 02:54 |
dafull97_ |
i like talking to you |
| 02:54 |
dafull97_ |
haha |
| 02:54 |
dafull97_ |
i didnt know you was here |
| 02:55 |
us`0gb |
I'm on another channel trying to get my computer connected to the web and failing. |
| 02:55 |
dafull97_ |
oh, sucks |
| 02:55 |
us`0gb |
Yeah. But such is life. |
| 02:56 |
dafull97_ |
haha, yea |
| 02:56 |
dafull97_ |
you gonna be on tomarrow? |
| 02:56 |
us`0gb |
It seems I may have to choose between getting my computer connected to the Internet, making it able to sleep, or getting a new one that I can't afford. |
| 02:57 |
us`0gb |
I'll likely be here tomorrow, though not all day. I have work. |
| 02:58 |
harrison |
get the new box |
| 02:58 |
harrison |
you deserve it |
| 02:58 |
dafull97_ |
i have to do school, on most of the day |
| 02:58 |
us`0gb |
I can't afford it, it's about $600 USD. |
| 02:59 |
us`0gb |
And that's for the low-end one. |
| 02:59 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I thought you were a mac guy, 0gb |
| 03:00 |
us`0gb |
Mac? No, I run Trisquel at the moment, and I'm trying to switch to gNewSense. |
| 03:00 |
us`0gb |
(Both are GNU/Linux-libre.) |
| 03:00 |
thefamilygrog66 |
ahh, cool |
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dafull97_ |
im linux guy |
| 03:02 |
dafull97_ |
=D |
| 03:03 |
thefamilygrog66 |
windows/linux here |
| 03:03 |
dafull97_ |
i have a windows for school that it |
| 03:03 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I use it for work mainly |
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* thefamilygrog66 |
has to figure out how to make a decent beanstalk to add to the magic beans mod... |
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Calinou |
hi :) |
| 08:10 |
Calinou |
where? |
| 08:10 |
* Calinou |
steals mese from john_minetest's chests |
| 08:10 |
us`0gb |
To where from where? |
| 08:11 |
VanessaE |
hi |
| 08:11 |
Calinou |
that's a lot yeah |
| 08:11 |
Calinou |
>university |
| 08:11 |
Calinou |
have fun... </sarcasm> |
| 08:11 |
us`0gb |
Fun. WHat are you studying? |
| 08:12 |
us`0gb |
Oh, nice! |
| 08:12 |
Calinou |
read: windows, office, photoshop, vmware |
| 08:12 |
us`0gb |
What? Bleh. |
| 08:12 |
us`0gb |
I don't know about VMware, but I don't like those others. |
| 08:13 |
Calinou |
that's what you study in CS courses |
| 08:13 |
Calinou |
john_minetest: and expensive as hell |
| 08:13 |
Calinou |
but well, we all know all unis use pirated SW 8D |
| 08:13 |
Calinou |
that's not the same thing |
| 08:13 |
Calinou |
virtualbox is slower, but it's FOSS |
| 08:13 |
kahrl |
we didn't have to use proprietary software in most of our CS courses, but a number of students used facebook |
| 08:14 |
Calinou |
openoffice is dead, vive libreoffice |
| 08:14 |
Calinou |
kahrl: lucky |
| 08:14 |
us`0gb |
I like VirtualBox. It even allows file transfers between systems and copy/paste, et cetera. |
| 08:14 |
Calinou |
vmware can do that too, I guess |
| 08:14 |
Calinou |
downsides of VirtualBox is slower 3D accel, slower CPU stuff |
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us`0gb |
I'm not using proprietary software in most of my computer courses either. |
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us`0gb |
I use it to run Xubuntu, which has Flash installed. I need Flash to access my seminars. |
| 08:16 |
kahrl |
actually the only closed-source software I remember we had to use was some graph drawing software by a company affiliated with our algorithms professor |
| 08:16 |
us`0gb |
I guess I need proprietary software for all my courses ... But usually nothing other than Flash. |
| 08:17 |
Calinou |
well, any uni here requires you to use office, windows, OS X and stuff like that :P |
| 08:17 |
Calinou |
I gtg, bye |
| 08:18 |
us`0gb |
Bye. |
| 08:18 |
Calinou |
so is quake 2 |
| 08:18 |
* Calinou |
gallops away |
| 08:18 |
us`0gb |
My school "requires" Office, but LibreOffice works. Just not officially. |
| 08:19 |
us`0gb |
Also, same deal with Windows / OS X. |
| 08:19 |
kahrl |
png is so 1997, too :P |
| 08:19 |
Calinou |
I'll never be able to use linux @ uni when I'll be at uni later |
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us`0gb |
Althogh the school tech support helped me with an issue on my GNU/Linux-libre system, which they don't officially allow. |
| 08:20 |
Calinou |
png doesn't support animation, and noone uses apng :( |
| 08:20 |
Calinou |
so gif is like flash here :P |
| 08:21 |
Calinou |
yes, but noone uses it, chrome(ium) doesn't even support it by default, you need a extension |
| 08:21 |
us`0gb |
PNG unofficially supports animation. I've seen animated PNGs. |
| 08:21 |
Calinou |
firefox got quite better as of firefox 22 but it still takes ~3-4 secs to start compared to chromium's < 1 sec |
| 08:22 |
Calinou |
meh, I never get toolbars |
| 08:22 |
Calinou |
I read what I do when installing software :P |
| 08:23 |
us`0gb |
Chromium also fails to let you see the http:// prefix. And yes, I care. |
| 08:23 |
Calinou |
it's copied anyway |
| 08:24 |
Calinou |
same :P |
| 08:24 |
us`0gb |
I also read license terms, which drives people nuts when they are waiting for me to finish. |
| 08:25 |
us`0gb |
Yeah. People want to rush you, but you need to know what you are agreeing to. |
| 08:29 |
us`0gb |
"Functional programming combines the flexibility and power of abstract mathematics with the intuitive clarity of abstract mathemat |
| 08:29 |
us`0gb |
Sorry, wrong channel. |
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JamesTait |
Good morning all! Happy Friday, and happy Ask A Stupid Question Day! :-D |
| 08:52 |
us_0gb |
Food morning! |
| 08:52 |
us_0gb |
*Good |
| 08:53 |
JamesTait |
I actually didn't mind the first version. ;) |
| 08:56 |
VanessaE |
hi |
| 08:56 |
* VanessaE |
offers everyone a hot bowl of creamy chicken ramen, speaking of food... |
| 08:57 |
us_0gb |
Hello, VanessaE! |
| 08:57 |
VanessaE |
hi |
| 08:59 |
JamesTait |
VanessaE, I'll take you up on that offer! :) |
| 08:59 |
VanessaE |
here ya go ;) |
| 08:59 |
VanessaE |
that's gourmet-quality salt and fat there! |
| 09:00 |
us_0gb |
I'm about to have a ping timeout. Good night! |
| 09:00 |
* JamesTait |
noms merrily |
| 09:00 |
VanessaE |
night, 0gb. |
| 09:00 |
us_0gb |
Am I still here? |
| 09:01 |
VanessaE |
yup |
| 09:01 |
* VanessaE |
resets 0gb's ping timer. |
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us_0gb |
I must nit understand the meaning of "sudo ifconfig wlan0 down". |
| 09:01 |
us_0gb |
*not |
| 09:01 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 09:01 |
us_0gb |
Do you know how to kill my wireless card? |
| 09:02 |
VanessaE |
your computer knew you wanted to keep chatting :P |
| 09:02 |
VanessaE |
you probably need to kill your hostapd daemon first |
| 09:02 |
us_0gb |
I do want to chat, but I also need to experiment with something. |
| 09:02 |
VanessaE |
(or wpa_supplicant) |
| 09:03 |
VanessaE |
(or Network Manager) |
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us_0gb |
Hmm. THat sounds like it's outside my current skill set. I'll have to put it off for now then. |
| 09:03 |
VanessaE |
one of those is keeping your wireless alive automatically. |
| 09:04 |
us_0gb |
Yeah, I bet you're right. I lost connection for a couple seconds and something brought it back. |
| 09:04 |
VanessaE |
in your panel, there should be a network connection widget. right click that and there should be a checkbox for wireless |
| 09:04 |
VanessaE |
uncheck that and it should shut off the wireless, if I remember right |
| 09:05 |
us_0gb |
Right lick brings up a single-item menu. THe item is "About", and is just credits for the indicator applet. |
| 09:06 |
VanessaE |
left click then |
| 09:06 |
us_0gb |
No worries though. I have another experiment to keep me busy. |
| 09:06 |
VanessaE |
depends on your desktop/window manager |
| 09:06 |
VanessaE |
xfce puts it in two separate menus, gnome I think crams it all into one |
| 09:07 |
VanessaE |
others may vary |
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us{0gb |
Thanks, VanessaE! |
| 09:09 |
VanessaE |
you're welcome :) |
| 09:10 |
us{0gb |
I have good news and bad news. The good news is that I've located the cause of my computer freezing when it wakes. The bad news is that the cause is the wireless card. |
| 09:10 |
VanessaE |
I ran into that last time I installed; network manager wanted to control my wireless device, but I wanted manual control. |
| 09:10 |
VanessaE |
damn |
| 09:10 |
VanessaE |
bad hardware? |
| 09:11 |
us{0gb |
Yeah. If by "bad" you mean "the developers didn't release specs so people couldn't build the needed firmware/driver". |
| 09:12 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 09:13 |
VanessaE |
well I meant actual hardware failure :P |
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us{0gb |
Oh, nothing like that. This time. |
| 09:13 |
VanessaE |
"this time"... heh |
| 09:13 |
us{0gb |
I suppose it's the developers' policy that's bad, not the hardware. |
| 09:14 |
us{0gb |
Well, I've have two hard drives die on me and earlier today, I couldn't even boot the BIOS, so yeah, this time. |
| 09:14 |
VanessaE |
ouch |
| 09:15 |
us{0gb |
Yeah. It was scary. |
| 09:16 |
us{0gb |
One of these day's I'll be able to afford a computer that isn't second hand. But that will be a while. |
| 09:16 |
us{0gb |
*days |
| 09:17 |
us{0gb |
And now the Dragora installer hates me. THough I no longer need Dragora, so I guess it's all good. |
| 09:17 |
VanessaE |
Dragora? |
| 09:18 |
us{0gb |
Another GNU/Linux-libre system I was trying to try out hoping to fix my computer issues. |
| 09:18 |
us{0gb |
Trisquel freezes when waking from sleep and gNewSense doesn't, but can't use the wireless card. |
| 09:19 |
us{0gb |
But it seems it doesn't freeze BECAUSE it can't use the wireless card, so I've narrowed my solution search. |
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us{0gb |
I haven't tried Inkscape yet, but GIMP is awesome. |
| 09:37 |
VanessaE |
nice |
| 09:37 |
us{0gb |
What is that in the middle of the logo? |
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Jordach |
food morning JamesTait |
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JamesTait |
Jordach, hi! o/ |
| 10:35 |
Jordach |
<JamesTait> > Happy Friday, and happy Ask A Stupid Question Day! :-D |
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Jordach |
lol |
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JamesTait |
Actually, I am still feeling hungry. |
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Jordach |
you're worse than me |
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Jordach |
aww |
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VanessaE |
bbl]\ |
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Evergreen |
Best post ever? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=112205#p112205 |
| 11:03 |
Jordach |
hey Evergreen |
| 11:03 |
Evergreen |
Hi |
| 11:03 |
Jordach |
hahhaha |
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Jordach |
-h |
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Jordach |
fun fact: i've found something awesome to do in blender |
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Jordach |
make a plane from add, give it the cloth modifier, press the play button on the anim player |
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Jordach |
(make sure the plane is subdivided |
| 11:05 |
Jordach |
<- is making a rendered comic book |
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Jordach |
k# |
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Jordach |
-k# |
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Jordach |
lol :P |
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Jordach |
Evergreen, y u no use quassel |
| 11:10 |
Evergreen |
Because it the gui stopped loading |
| 11:10 |
Evergreen |
it wasn't working for me |
| 11:11 |
Jordach |
oh |
| 11:11 |
Jordach |
i think you're missing the QT4 lib |
| 11:20 |
Jordach |
i just noticed the age of my keyboard: http://i.imgur.com/Sr1tlmm.jpg |
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arsdragonfly |
It can be older if there's nothing on it :P |
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Jordach |
haha |
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PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
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Krock |
hi |
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Jordach |
PilzAdam, openspades? |
| 11:35 |
PilzAdam |
nah, I have to eat something first |
| 11:36 |
Jordach |
lol eating |
| 11:36 |
Jordach |
i'll be in the usual placre |
| 11:36 |
Jordach |
place* |
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dafull97 |
Good morning all!! |
| 11:54 |
dafull97 |
friday! |
| 11:54 |
* dafull97 |
is glad it is friday |
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dafull97 |
you guys awake? =P |
| 12:07 |
arsdragonfly |
20:05 friday here |
| 12:08 |
JamesTait |
It's lunch time here, I'm awake, but have other things on my mind. ;) |
| 12:08 |
dafull97 |
JamesTait: oh haha it is 8:08 here, in the morning |
| 12:11 |
Jordach |
proller, lol'd at the PM |
| 12:14 |
proller |
need more noobs 8) |
| 12:19 |
dafull97 |
Hey Jordach, remember me? |
| 12:20 |
Jordach |
yes |
| 12:20 |
Jordach |
proller, go to the forum's offtopic section then; weapons free |
| 12:21 |
proller |
hardcore_mese_tnt ! |
| 12:21 |
Jordach |
arsdragonfly, are you somewhere near asia |
| 12:21 |
dafull97 |
where is the money2 mod? |
| 12:21 |
arsdragonfly |
china to be exact :P |
| 12:21 |
arsdragonfly |
Money2??? |
| 12:22 |
Jordach |
arsdragonfly, ah |
| 12:24 |
arsdragonfly |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7253 |
| 12:24 |
arsdragonfly |
Check out my AdvancedMarket mod |
| 12:25 |
arsdragonfly |
Revolutional way of trading |
| 12:25 |
arsdragonfly |
Buggy and WIP as it is though |
| 12:25 |
dafull97 |
nice, but i need currency for my server and stores |
| 12:26 |
Jordach |
china has access to IRC |
| 12:26 |
Jordach |
notbad.jpg |
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arsdragonfly |
Yes of course, but anything but easy when trying to find some other stuff :P |
| 12:28 |
arsdragonfly |
Tibet, etc. |
| 12:31 |
* Jordach |
thinks Minetest playing cards would be awesome |
| 12:31 |
dafull97 |
is there a mod like a Vendor where you just click a "Shop" or a Pod |
| 12:31 |
Jordach |
dafull97, DanDucombe's Minegelds do that job nicely |
| 12:31 |
dafull97 |
i have them |
| 12:31 |
dafull97 |
mod currency? |
| 12:32 |
dafull97 |
but how do i use a "Shop" |
| 12:33 |
* Jordach |
isnt sure what you're on about |
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dafull97 |
like a currency system, and a Shop system thing and use money and shop to buy stuff from shop |
| 12:38 |
dafull97 |
does the Minegelds currency have shops? |
| 12:44 |
dafull97 |
Jordach ^^ |
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dafull97 |
all who wants to play minetest, join my server! - DJ Server - 5.231.69.196 |
| 12:47 |
dafull97 |
port - 30000 |
| 12:47 |
dafull97 |
Thanks! |
| 12:47 |
Jordach |
dafull97, yes |
| 12:47 |
Jordach |
my tab key isnt working |
| 12:48 |
Jordach |
now it is |
| 12:48 |
Jordach |
wtf |
| 12:48 |
dafull97 |
really? thats good! |
| 12:48 |
dafull97 |
haha |
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Evergreen |
I don't think saying "I got banned for no reason plz unban me plz plz plz plz plz plz. I beg you plz." is a good way pf getting unbanned from a server. :P |
| 13:10 |
dafull97 |
Evergreen, who siad that? haha |
| 13:10 |
Evergreen |
darthvader |
| 13:12 |
dafull97 |
who, on your server? |
| 13:13 |
Jordach |
Evergreen doesnt have a server afaik |
| 13:13 |
Jordach |
and FUCK |
| 13:13 |
Evergreen |
No, on landrush |
| 13:13 |
dafull97 |
oh, haha... why "FUCK"? |
| 13:13 |
Jordach |
viewskew's MG versions isn't latest: latest has support for pdf and ODT |
| 13:14 |
Jordach |
which would have been lovely. |
| 13:14 |
VanessaE |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=112240#p112240 |
| 13:14 |
VanessaE |
oh boy |
| 13:14 |
Evergreen |
Me and a friend are thinking of building a server machine, and finding a place to put it as neither of our internet providers allow servers |
| 13:14 |
VanessaE |
and I thought you were exaggerating :) |
| 13:14 |
Evergreen |
Nope |
| 13:14 |
dafull97 |
hahaha, wow... |
| 13:14 |
VanessaE |
also, hi |
| 13:14 |
Jordach |
hai VanessaE |
| 13:14 |
dafull97 |
hey VanessaE |
| 13:14 |
Evergreen |
He actually said he was 10, and he was from africa |
| 13:15 |
PilzAdam |
Jordach, today is the "No reason day", you might want to change the topic |
| 13:15 |
PilzAdam |
(https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=112235#p112235) |
| 13:15 |
Jordach |
!topic |
| 13:15 |
Jordach |
!op |
| 13:15 |
|
Topic for #minetest is now http://minetest.net | NEWS: Minetest 0.4.7 released; 0.4.8 will be released soonâ„¢ | RULES: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels | CORE DEVS: #minetest-dev | SERVERS: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC LOGS: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ | WIKI: http://wiki.minetest.net | Today's event: No reason day. | Don't ask about asking questions. |
| 13:15 |
VanessaE |
what, no sandwich of the day? |
| 13:15 |
Jordach |
well that should have worked |
| 13:15 |
PilzAdam |
+r? |
| 13:16 |
Jordach |
accident |
| 13:16 |
Jordach |
i tabbed when trying to command |
| 13:16 |
PilzAdam |
what is +r? |
| 13:16 |
Jordach |
googling |
| 13:17 |
Jordach |
!op |
| 13:17 |
Jordach |
disabled |
| 13:18 |
Jordach |
PilzAdam, for some reason /mode #minetest -o Jordach doesnt work |
| 13:18 |
PilzAdam |
+r is registered users only |
| 13:20 |
Jordach |
oh fuck |
| 13:20 |
Jordach |
i got nick in the wrong place :P |
| 13:21 |
VanessaE |
surely your client has /op and /deop |
| 13:23 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, try to be professional for once :P |
| 13:23 |
VanessaE |
why? where's the fun in that? |
| 13:23 |
PilzAdam |
the fun is that you can misstype and e.g. dissalow unregistered users to join :-p |
| 13:24 |
VanessaE |
:P |
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| 13:29 |
kahrl |
a read for anyone who is considering using SHA-3: https://www.cdt.org/blogs/joseph-lorenzo-hall/2409-nist-sha-3 |
| 13:30 |
Jordach |
tl;dr |
| 13:30 |
kahrl |
in that case, don't use SHA-3 :P |
| 13:31 |
VanessaE |
too bad there's no clear way to know what standard is being used by a given site. |
| 13:33 |
VanessaE |
I think I'll stick to using AES for my local stuff. |
| 13:34 |
* Jordach |
prefers 1kb level encryption |
| 13:34 |
Jordach |
1kb of keys |
| 13:34 |
kahrl |
AES is encryption, SHA-3 is a hash function |
| 13:34 |
VanessaE |
ohhh |
| 13:35 |
Jordach |
MD5 FTW |
| 13:36 |
Jordach |
but theres an easier way to erase a HDD - The microwave |
| 13:36 |
VanessaE |
I wondered why that seemed wrong.... and I've used SHA hashes before |
| 13:36 |
* VanessaE |
feels stupid |
| 13:36 |
kahrl |
Jordach, I prefer chainsaws |
| 13:37 |
Jordach |
that too |
| 13:37 |
Jordach |
or the volcano they detroyed the Ring with |
| 13:37 |
Jordach |
</lotr> |
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| 14:13 |
Jordach |
> I finally stoped being lazy for 1 minute |
| 14:13 |
PilzAdam |
;-) |
| 14:13 |
Jordach |
PilzAdam, at least i do constructive things |
| 14:14 |
Jordach |
the more i use blender, the better the chances of me creating a video based render that I LIKE. |
| 14:14 |
Jordach |
(i often hate how the pipeline doesnt work as expected, even though anim player is fine) |
| 14:14 |
PilzAdam |
its not a generally lazyness but Im lazy in terms of supporting my old mods |
| 14:15 |
Jordach |
heh |
| 14:15 |
Jordach |
once my wool mod became mainstream, i stopped giving a shit |
| 14:15 |
Jordach |
^ VanessaE |
| 14:15 |
PilzAdam |
I like writing new original code, but I lose interest in it after 2 days |
| 14:15 |
Jordach |
you're as bad as me PilzAdam |
| 14:16 |
PilzAdam |
e.g. I recently wrote a 2D RPG engine in Java; I got it all somewhat working in 2 days but I never felt like doing graphics, sound or actual game content |
| 14:16 |
Jordach |
the only time i ever updated wool was to make it work with digging groups (which in turn put more colours in) |
| 14:18 |
Jordach |
fun fact: my model has had broken UV for weeks; never got around to fix em |
| 14:18 |
Jordach |
(the template master) |
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| 14:29 |
babyface1031 |
can anyone help me set up a microcontroler? |
| 14:30 |
pitriss |
babyface1031: you mean luacontroller? |
| 14:30 |
babyface1031 |
yes |
| 14:30 |
babyface1031 |
sorry i had it puller up to write and it said microcontroler |
| 14:31 |
pitriss |
hehe np, what you need to do with it? |
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babyface1031 |
i am trying to make it if c and d are on then no power goes to b But if c is off then b gets power |
| 14:32 |
pitriss |
ah.. |
| 14:33 |
pitriss |
wait sec..:) |
| 14:33 |
babyface1031 |
ok thank you |
| 14:34 |
pitriss |
btw what with that pin.d ? if it is "off" then don't allow any function or? |
| 14:35 |
babyface1031 |
D is always on |
| 14:35 |
pitriss |
ahh so no need to worry about it then? |
| 14:36 |
babyface1031 |
nope thast should always be on unless someone comes and mess with my stuff |
| 14:37 |
VanessaE |
for functions like that, microcontrollers are simpler. |
| 14:38 |
VanessaE |
on(D)sbi(b=!c&d) ; I think |
| 14:38 |
VanessaE |
er |
| 14:38 |
VanessaE |
on(D)sbi(b,!c&d) ; I think |
| 14:38 |
VanessaE |
I hate using Luacontrollers when a plain old µC will do the job |
| 14:39 |
VanessaE |
feels like throwing an FPGA at something when all you need are a couple of 7400's. |
| 14:40 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, it's like comparing a PDP-8 to the K supercomputer |
| 14:40 |
VanessaE |
heh |
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| 14:42 |
babyface1031 |
i did luacontroller cause i couldnt craft the micro controller |
| 14:42 |
VanessaE |
ah |
| 14:43 |
pitriss |
microcontroller was replaced by luacontroller IMO |
| 14:43 |
VanessaE |
no |
| 14:43 |
VanessaE |
definitely not. |
| 14:43 |
VanessaE |
µC's have their place. |
| 14:43 |
pitriss |
hmm so this can be issue on landrush server then |
| 14:44 |
VanessaE |
only if someone depends on them and they're yanked away suddenly. |
| 14:44 |
VanessaE |
otherwise I guess everyone has to use LuaC's |
| 14:44 |
VanessaE |
on my server, both are available. |
| 14:44 |
babyface1031 |
i am trying to do something like stonewall pitriss |
| 14:44 |
pitriss |
babyface1031: so closing doors during night? |
| 14:44 |
babyface1031 |
yeah |
| 14:45 |
pitriss |
babyface1031: there is no need to use controller then:) |
| 14:45 |
VanessaE |
an inverter and a solar panel is enough |
| 14:45 |
babyface1031 |
oh i didnt know |
| 14:45 |
VanessaE |
panel --> inverter --> door |
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* Jordach |
can do that in 3 node spades |
| 14:45 |
Jordach |
space |
| 14:45 |
babyface1031 |
oh see i alway try ot make things hard than they neeed to be |
| 14:45 |
Jordach |
S.Panel, Microcontroller + door |
| 14:45 |
pitriss |
babyface1031: yes as VanessaE said mesecon solar panel, not gate, doors |
| 14:48 |
babyface1031 |
thank you it works now :D |
| 14:48 |
pitriss |
yw |
| 14:48 |
VanessaE |
np |
| 15:03 |
Jordach |
*GIMP crashes* NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! |
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| 15:03 |
Jordach |
Dan_D, I know what you did LAST SUMMER |
| 15:03 |
Dan_D |
Huh? |
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| 15:04 |
Dan_D |
Anyone hee use Kubuntu? |
| 15:04 |
Jordach |
PilzAdam does |
| 15:04 |
Dan_D |
Is he here? |
| 15:04 |
Jordach |
should be |
| 15:05 |
* Jordach |
removes PilzAdam's ability to commit to minetest/minetest and minetest/minetest_game |
| 15:05 |
Jordach |
</baiting> |
| 15:05 |
Dan_D |
I accidentally removed the thing on the bar at the top in Kubuntu where you can switch between desktops. I can't work out how to get it back. Help PilzAdam? |
| 15:05 |
Jordach |
+1 for quassel |
| 15:05 |
Jordach |
Dan_D, use the mouse scrollwheel on desktop |
| 15:06 |
Dan_D |
Ok |
| 15:06 |
Jordach |
it should change (does for Mint, xfce) |
| 15:06 |
Dan_D |
Will the touchpad scroll wheel work? |
| 15:06 |
Jordach |
yes |
| 15:06 |
Jordach |
it works in xubuntu |
| 15:06 |
Jordach |
(i actually tested this) |
| 15:06 |
Dan_D |
Nope, it doesn't seem to |
| 15:07 |
Dan_D |
And I can't open anything now I don't hink, not without logging in and out again |
| 15:08 |
Dan_D |
So, this is stupid |
| 15:09 |
* VanessaE |
peeks in |
| 15:10 |
Jordach |
hello VanessaE |
| 15:10 |
VanessaE |
hi. don't ask me why I just did that, I was already here :P |
| 15:10 |
Jordach |
VanessaE.py needs fixing |
| 15:10 |
IceCraft |
hi |
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* Jordach |
asks VanessaE why |
| 15:10 |
Jordach |
No reason. |
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| 15:11 |
VanessaE |
holy crap |
| 15:11 |
VanessaE |
my survival server now has 78 mods on it |
| 15:11 |
VanessaE |
(including the original minetest_game stuff) |
| 15:12 |
VanessaE |
more than that, actually, if you count the modpacks |
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| 15:13 |
Dan_D |
Back to Windows for now then |
| 15:13 |
VanessaE |
windows, ew. |
| 15:13 |
Dan_D |
Yeah, Linux is awkward as shit |
| 15:13 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: you're just used to a different interface, that's all |
| 15:13 |
VanessaE |
for me, windows is awkward |
| 15:14 |
Dan_D |
So, I accidentally remove something from the bar at the top, and I can never get it back. |
| 15:14 |
VanessaE |
sure you can. |
| 15:14 |
Dan_D |
But no-one knew how |
| 15:14 |
VanessaE |
usually it's just right click the bar, "add to panel" or something similar |
| 15:14 |
Dan_D |
Just now that is |
| 15:14 |
VanessaE |
depends on your desktop environment |
| 15:15 |
Dan_D |
Kubuntu |
| 15:15 |
VanessaE |
ok, so that's KDA |
| 15:15 |
VanessaE |
er KDE |
| 15:15 |
Dan_D |
If I right-click the bar it assumes I am clicking on the nearest icon |
| 15:15 |
Dan_D |
PS I am on Windows right now |
| 15:16 |
Dan_D |
What is the best Linux distro, not Including ..buntu |
| 15:16 |
VanessaE |
the best? well for n00bs, Xubuntu or Mint. For the experienced, probably Debian or Fedora. For the hackers, probably Arch or Gentoo |
| 15:17 |
VanessaE |
for the insane, Slackware :P |
| 15:17 |
Dan_D |
Xubuntu is ..buntu |
| 15:17 |
VanessaE |
Xubuntu is Xubuntu. It is not Ubuntu. |
| 15:17 |
Dan_D |
No, but it ends in buntu |
| 15:17 |
VanessaE |
doesn't matter. |
| 15:17 |
Dan_D |
Therefore it is shit and bad |
| 15:18 |
VanessaE |
the *buntus get their stuff from the Debian world. |
| 15:18 |
Dan_D |
I have tried Lubuntu,Ubuntu, Kubuntu and I can't use them without them becoming unusable after a couple of days |
| 15:18 |
VanessaE |
I used Xubuntu for years, quite happily. Only reason I switched was a perceived performance issue (that turns out didn't exist) |
| 15:18 |
VanessaE |
try Xubuntu then. |
| 15:18 |
Dan_D |
Lubuntu and Kubuntu break, Ubuntu lags like hell |
| 15:18 |
VanessaE |
ot ises the XFCE desktop, which works similar to say WinXP and prior |
| 15:19 |
Dan_D |
I hate WinXP |
| 15:19 |
VanessaE |
you know, REAL taskbars and menus and such |
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dafull97 |
Hello all, |
| 15:19 |
VanessaE |
define "lags like hell" |
| 15:19 |
VanessaE |
hi dafull97 |
| 15:19 |
* dafull97 |
Enters room with swag |
| 15:19 |
dafull97 |
hahaha |
| 15:19 |
Dan_D |
Te mouse randomly freezes and Programs take a long long time to open |
| 15:20 |
VanessaE |
odd |
| 15:20 |
VanessaE |
well try Xubuntu anyway |
| 15:20 |
Dan_D |
Maybe. |
| 15:20 |
VanessaE |
it's not like you HAVE to install it. it's a live DVD/CD |
| 15:20 |
Dan_D |
Does it come in the Wubi installer? |
| 15:20 |
VanessaE |
you can just run from there but remember that running from optical media (or USB thumbdrive) is SLOW. |
| 15:20 |
VanessaE |
idk, maybe |
| 15:20 |
VanessaE |
I've never used that method, as I don't dual-boot |
| 15:21 |
Dan_D |
And bootloading disks do NOTwork |
| 15:21 |
VanessaE |
(If I need windows some day, I'll use a virtual machine) |
| 15:21 |
VanessaE |
what do you mean bootloading disks doesn't work? |
| 15:21 |
Dan_D |
My computer ignores them and goes straight to Windows |
| 15:22 |
VanessaE |
because your BIOS is probably configured to ignore optical media |
| 15:22 |
Dan_D |
Also, how do I get rid of KolibriOS? I deleted all the files, but it is still in BIOS as dual boot. |
| 15:22 |
VanessaE |
this is not an OS issue, this is a BIOS issue, easy to fix on most machines. There'll be a boot menu where you can select what media/drives you can boot from |
| 15:23 |
VanessaE |
that's not BIOS, that's the master boot record on your hard disk |
| 15:23 |
Dan_D |
But how do I get rid of the dual-boot thing? |
| 15:23 |
VanessaE |
easiest way to remove that entry is to fiddle with grub a bit |
| 15:23 |
Dan_D |
But HOW?? |
| 15:23 |
Dan_D |
I can't work out how to do anything with grub... |
| 15:24 |
dafull97 |
VanessaE, why do you own so many servers? |
| 15:24 |
VanessaE |
I don't know how to make that change, except that you'll have to first get into your BIOS, make sure you can boot from CD/DVD/USB. From there, boot with any random Linux disk, doesn't matter what. |
| 15:25 |
VanessaE |
dafull97: I have two, and they're both running on my home PC. |
| 15:25 |
Dan_D |
What xubuntu install size should Iselect? |
| 15:25 |
dafull97 |
and PilzAdam, are you here? |
| 15:25 |
dafull97 |
VanessaE, oh... thats awesome.... i like running mine in VPS security Reasons... =D |
| 15:26 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: for the disk size? 4GB is sufficient for a base install + most stuff. 8GB is enough for a full suite with everything under the sun |
| 15:26 |
Dan_D |
Ok |
| 15:26 |
VanessaE |
1GB RAM is enough to get you going nicely. 2GB recommended. |
| 15:26 |
VanessaE |
less is usable, if slow. |
| 15:26 |
Dan_D |
I have 2gb ram |
| 15:26 |
dafull97 |
256mb ram is enought to run minetest server right? |
| 15:26 |
Dan_D |
And how do I get rid of KolibriOS |
| 15:27 |
Dan_D |
Maybe |
| 15:27 |
dafull97 |
VanessaE, 256mb ram is enought to run minetest server right? |
| 15:27 |
VanessaE |
dafull97: not really. |
| 15:27 |
dafull97 |
really? |
| 15:27 |
VanessaE |
512MB is better. |
| 15:28 |
pitriss |
dafull97: nope.. even 510MB was too low |
| 15:28 |
pitriss |
*512 |
| 15:28 |
VanessaE |
With 256MB you'll find your server will crash often due to out of memory |
| 15:28 |
pitriss |
it was laggy for 5 ppl connected |
| 15:28 |
VanessaE |
512MB will be enough for most stuff, the server uses about 300-350MB RAM but you want enough for your OS too |
| 15:28 |
dafull97 |
on mine? |
| 15:28 |
Dan_D |
How do I dispose of KlolibriOS |
| 15:28 |
VanessaE |
er your VPS's OS anyway |
| 15:29 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: you have to use GRUB to do it |
| 15:29 |
VanessaE |
but I have no idea how as it's been years since I had to mess with that |
| 15:29 |
Dan_D |
How do I useGRUB |
| 15:29 |
dafull97 |
pitriss, when did you connect |
| 15:29 |
pitriss |
Dan_D: ask in grub related topic.. |
| 15:29 |
pitriss |
*channel |
| 15:29 |
pitriss |
Me? Im still here:] |
| 15:30 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: doesn't Windows have some kind of repair tool in it? |
| 15:30 |
VanessaE |
use that to rebuild the Master Boot Record |
| 15:30 |
VanessaE |
(or just re-install if you have to) |
| 15:31 |
Dan_D |
How do I re-install windows without losing everything? |
| 15:31 |
dafull97 |
pitriss, im meaning ws you connected to my server? |
| 15:31 |
Dan_D |
And how do I get this repair tool? |
| 15:31 |
VanessaE |
make backups and don't let Windows re-format your disk |
| 15:31 |
VanessaE |
it should be built into Windows, if I remember right. Something about "rollback"? |
| 15:31 |
Dan_D |
I can't make backups, the disk is corrupt and nothing gets backed up. |
| 15:32 |
VanessaE |
it's been too many years. |
| 15:32 |
VanessaE |
what disk is corrupt? |
| 15:32 |
pitriss |
dafull97: i wasn't there.. we have own private server: |
| 15:32 |
VanessaE |
your system drive? |
| 15:32 |
Dan_D |
C:\ |
| 15:32 |
VanessaE |
if it was, you couldn't boot from it |
| 15:32 |
Dan_D |
Yep |
| 15:32 |
dafull97 |
pitriss, ohh... ok... so what is the recommecnded memory? |
| 15:32 |
VanessaE |
your drive is not corrupt |
| 15:32 |
Dan_D |
But backup won't do any backups of the programs file, because it claims corruption. |
| 15:32 |
pitriss |
dafull97: 1GB is fine, our serve have now 2.5GB |
| 15:32 |
VanessaE |
just make some backups to an external drive, or to CD/DVD, or to another computer, or to "the cloud" |
| 15:32 |
VanessaE |
nononono |
| 15:33 |
VanessaE |
use your file manager |
| 15:33 |
VanessaE |
copy your stuff to a safe place the old fashioned way |
| 15:33 |
Dan_D |
And also, I have several corrupted non-deletable files on mycomputer |
| 15:33 |
VanessaE |
forget automated backup tools |
| 15:33 |
Dan_D |
And when I boot windows, I get a thing that is meantto check for corrupted files, but it crashes. |
| 15:33 |
VanessaE |
forget all that for the moment |
| 15:34 |
Dan_D |
Also, Windows explorer crashes if I right-click things in it,leading to the loss of the start menu |
| 15:34 |
VanessaE |
just fire up your file manager and dump everything you want to save onto a thumbdrive or DVD or something |
| 15:34 |
VanessaE |
ok, then you'll have to back your stuff up from the command line |
| 15:34 |
VanessaE |
(the "CMD prompt" or whatever they call it now...the old DOS prompt_) |
| 15:35 |
Dan_D |
Ah, I hate command line |
| 15:35 |
VanessaE |
well when the GUI is busted, you have to use the command line :) |
| 15:35 |
dafull97 |
RAM?? |
| 15:36 |
Dan_D |
Windows is stupid. Linux is worse. Mac is just... nope.avi |
| 15:36 |
Dan_D |
Mac is the devil'sspawn |
| 15:36 |
Dan_D |
iOS isn't though |
| 15:36 |
dafull97 |
pitriss, RAM?? |
| 15:36 |
VanessaE |
you could also boot from any random linux CD/DVD/USB after you change your BIOS settings, use THAT to do the backup |
| 15:36 |
werwerwer_ |
Dan_D is there anything good in OS's then? |
| 15:36 |
VanessaE |
(using the file manager that goes with whatever desktop yoyu're using) |
| 15:36 |
VanessaE |
you're* |
| 15:37 |
Dan_D |
Well, KolibriOS was shitty |
| 15:37 |
Jordach |
Dan_D, then don't have a PC is you're calling all OS'es shitty |
| 15:37 |
Jordach |
<- takes donations |
| 15:37 |
Dan_D |
OSs are good so long as they are usable and don't break when used |
| 15:37 |
VanessaE |
What about android? :) |
| 15:37 |
Jordach |
</burn> |
| 15:37 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: tip: OS's break. Always. Keep backups. |
| 15:37 |
Dan_D |
No, I like windows, it is just full of Crashiness |
| 15:38 |
VanessaE |
of course it is, if your fs is as corrupt as you say |
| 15:38 |
Dan_D |
VanessaE: HTF do I backup without command line, and without a file manager? |
| 15:38 |
VanessaE |
you're lucky any of your personal data is still reachable. |
| 15:38 |
Dan_D |
Yeah |
| 15:38 |
werwerwer_ |
Dan_D use any linux live cd |
| 15:38 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: by going into your BIOS and making your PC boot a Linux distro of any kind |
| 15:38 |
VanessaE |
and use that |
| 15:38 |
Dan_D |
Some prgrams,like GIMP, have just randomly stopped working, and never boot |
| 15:38 |
Dan_D |
Ah well |
| 15:39 |
VanessaE |
any random distro |
| 15:39 |
Dan_D |
To the survival server then! |
| 15:39 |
VanessaE |
knoppix is one of the better ones for this particular task, but use whatever you have handy |
| 15:39 |
werwerwer_ |
btw there are some windows based live cds if you hate linux so much |
| 15:39 |
Dan_D |
And BTW, mostof my personal data is kept on d:\ |
| 15:39 |
werwerwer_ |
doesn't matter |
| 15:40 |
Dan_D |
I like Linux, it is just it appears to be designed for awkwardness |
| 15:40 |
dafull97 |
brb later guys |
| 15:40 |
VanessaE |
ok, so just copy everything else to D:/ from your linux install (the Wubi one), then shut down and unplug that drive. |
| 15:40 |
VanessaE |
Re-install windows (again, you HAVE to make your BIOS boot from your install media) |
| 15:40 |
Dan_D |
Ok |
| 15:40 |
VanessaE |
then shut down again and re-connect the D:/ drive |
| 15:40 |
Dan_D |
How do I re-install Windows? Do I download it from somewhere? |
| 15:41 |
VanessaE |
you should already have a "recovery" CD |
| 15:41 |
Dan_D |
Oh. IDK where if I do. |
| 15:41 |
Jordach |
Dan_D, oh deer |
| 15:41 |
VanessaE |
wherever you keep the stuff that came with your PC |
| 15:41 |
Dan_D |
deer? |
| 15:41 |
VanessaE |
you know a box in the closet somewhere. |
| 15:41 |
* Jordach |
thinks people should only install Operating Systems if they know what the fuck they're doing |
| 15:41 |
Dan_D |
I have 2 foam packaging pieces |
| 15:41 |
Dan_D |
Which it came in |
| 15:42 |
Dan_D |
I didn't install Windows |
| 15:42 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: you're fucked. |
| 15:42 |
VanessaE |
get off of that busted OS now, while you still can |
| 15:42 |
Dan_D |
And I am using the Wubi installer for ..buntu Distros |
| 15:42 |
Dan_D |
Ok, do backups, I am also half-way through installing Xubuntu. |
| 15:43 |
Dan_D |
My internet is so damn slow |
| 15:43 |
VanessaE |
if your underlying OS is busted, that Wubi installer is likely to fail also |
| 15:43 |
* Jordach |
uses Windows primarily and is quite happy as-is |
| 15:43 |
Dan_D |
It worked yesterday |
| 15:43 |
Jordach |
> yesterday |
| 15:43 |
Jordach |
i smell a failing HDD |
| 15:43 |
VanessaE |
says the guy who calls all *buntus shit |
| 15:44 |
Dan_D |
I think only some parts of C:\ are corrupt |
| 15:44 |
VanessaE |
If C:/ is corrupt, NOTHING is safe |
| 15:44 |
VanessaE |
and that's especially true of an overlaying OS |
| 15:44 |
Dan_D |
Program Files mainly |
| 15:44 |
Jordach |
all subdirs of C:\ are FUCKED. |
| 15:44 |
VanessaE |
if your house's foundation were crumbling, you're not gonna be safe building on a second story on your house. |
| 15:44 |
Dan_D |
Unless it's minetest |
| 15:44 |
werwerwer_ |
if c: and d: are different physical disks, than d: is more or less safe |
| 15:45 |
Dan_D |
In which case it will hover :) |
| 15:45 |
Dan_D |
They are partitions I think |
| 15:45 |
VanessaE |
then you're doubly screwed. |
| 15:45 |
Dan_D |
So they aren't safe I guess |
| 15:45 |
Dan_D |
Ah, bugger |
| 15:45 |
VanessaE |
if C:/ is truly failing, D:/ will fail soon |
| 15:45 |
VanessaE |
a partition only separates the data, it doesn't separate disk-level corruption |
| 15:46 |
Dan_D |
Windows Backup backups everything except Program Files, and Appdata |
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| 15:46 |
VanessaE |
(it will usually keep one bad fs from "leaking" into the other, but that's probably not the problem here) |
| 15:46 |
Dan_D |
Those two it says are on a corrupt drive |
| 15:46 |
VanessaE |
don't use Windows Backup |
| 15:46 |
werwerwer_ |
if it's really hardware problem you sould experience bsods alot. do you? |
| 15:46 |
Jordach |
Dan_D, #windows |
| 15:46 |
Dan_D |
bsods? |
| 15:46 |
VanessaE |
Blue Screen of Death |
| 15:46 |
Jordach |
!g bsod |
| 15:46 |
VanessaE |
aka a kernel panic |
| 15:46 |
MinetestBot |
Jordach: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Screen_of_Death |
| 15:46 |
werwerwer_ |
blue screen of death |
| 15:46 |
Dan_D |
I have never had them yet |
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| 15:46 |
VanessaE |
does your PC just freeze up or reboot without warning? |
| 15:47 |
Jordach |
Dan_D, from you're statements, your machine has 3 months |
| 15:47 |
werwerwer_ |
than it's likely to be software fail |
| 15:47 |
Dan_D |
Sometimes the Desktop freezes, which is annoying |
| 15:47 |
VanessaE |
hm, looking at Wubi here.. |
| 15:47 |
Dan_D |
And sometimes desktop and start menu disappear entirely |
| 15:47 |
werwerwer_ |
it's just explorer crash |
| 15:47 |
VanessaE |
get a Linux distro on there NOW. get your data off that disk before the OS dies completely. |
| 15:48 |
Dan_D |
Ok |
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| 15:48 |
Dan_D |
After the explorer crash, I have to reboot |
| 15:48 |
VanessaE |
then if you wanna go back to Windows, go find and download a safe, clean copy and re-install from that |
| 15:48 |
Dan_D |
And also, linux once took mt system up to 80+ *c |
| 15:48 |
VanessaE |
(I can't help you with where to get one, you could always buy a copy in an local computer sture) |
| 15:48 |
Jordach |
Dan_D, then you're using the wrong OS |
| 15:48 |
Dan_D |
Which is worrying |
| 15:48 |
VanessaE |
store* |
| 15:49 |
Jordach |
don't use Kubuntu |
| 15:49 |
Jordach |
that needs a lot of power |
| 15:49 |
Dan_D |
I have removed Kubuntu |
| 15:49 |
Jordach |
Lubuntu is your BEST BET. |
| 15:49 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: I already told him to use Xubuntu |
| 15:49 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, in his case, speed is needed |
| 15:49 |
Dan_D |
Lubuntu broke with an update |
| 15:49 |
Dan_D |
The mouse stopped moving in Lubuntu |
| 15:49 |
* harrison |
prepares to molt |
| 15:49 |
Dan_D |
The touchpad WAS enabled |
| 15:50 |
Dan_D |
And it happened straight after an update |
| 15:50 |
Dan_D |
Just under 40 Minutes to go before Xubuntu is downloaded |
| 15:51 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: I'd be more inclined to blame your broken Windows filesystem since Linux sits on top of it in those Wubi-installed situations |
| 15:51 |
Dan_D |
Just to say, last night, it said over 532334 Hours to go, when downloading a .zip |
| 15:51 |
VanessaE |
(Linux in a disk image, sits in the Windows filesystem. If the windows fs is busted, it can corrupt the linux image) |
| 15:51 |
Dan_D |
Ah |
| 15:51 |
Dan_D |
Ok |
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| 15:51 |
Jordach |
hey Calinou |
| 15:51 |
VanessaE |
it's just a guess mind you |
| 15:51 |
Evergreen |
Wow, darthvader has some really hardcore math for us: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=112259#p112259 |
| 15:51 |
Dan_D |
The laptop only cost ~£150 though |
| 15:52 |
VanessaE |
either way Jordach's estimate is right - you've got roughly 2 or 3 months of life left in that PC if you don't fix it. |
| 15:52 |
Jordach |
oh and btw: before i had the internet, I HAD THAT BEFORE. |
| 15:52 |
Dan_D |
Ah, goddammit |
| 15:52 |
Dan_D |
I am too young for these things |
| 15:52 |
Jordach |
i had to copy and paste on to flash pens using the file manager of the task manager |
| 15:52 |
VanessaE |
how old are you anyway? |
| 15:53 |
Jordach |
that was hell: freeze = fucked |
| 15:53 |
Dan_D |
I shall make as may lovely mods as I can before my computer fails |
| 15:53 |
Dan_D |
I am 14 |
| 15:53 |
werwerwer_ |
old enough |
| 15:53 |
Calinou |
hi :) |
| 15:53 |
werwerwer_ |
install linux |
| 15:53 |
VanessaE |
time to talk to your parents then about getting the laptop reformatted |
| 15:53 |
Calinou |
Dan_D: it might only cost £150 but is insanely slow |
| 15:53 |
VanessaE |
they can take it somewhere to get it cleaned up |
| 15:53 |
Dan_D |
I have tried Linux about 3 times already werwerwer |
| 15:53 |
VanessaE |
(it'll cost money though) |
| 15:54 |
Calinou |
lol, tech support |
| 15:54 |
Dan_D |
Also, it has 2Gb Ram, 1.6Ghz Intel Atom processor |
| 15:54 |
Calinou |
yes, insanely slow |
| 15:54 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: I told you, if the underlying OS or filesystem is busted, you're hosed. |
| 15:54 |
VanessaE |
EVERYTHING will be broken eventually. |
| 15:54 |
Calinou |
I have a very similar, if not same CPU in my netbook (atom N455) |
| 15:54 |
Calinou |
single core with HT, 1.6ghz |
| 15:54 |
Dan_D |
Yep |
| 15:55 |
Dan_D |
The model code is NP-N145-JPO3UK |
| 15:56 |
Dan_D |
NOT |
| 15:56 |
Dan_D |
*NOT the product number |
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| 15:57 |
* Jordach |
pokes sfan5 |
| 15:57 |
Dan_D |
Also, Windows has to be shut down using the power button |
| 15:57 |
Jordach |
that's making the PROBLEM WORSE |
| 15:57 |
Dan_D |
Because it can't turn off the normal way |
| 15:57 |
Jordach |
Dan_D, ctrl + alt + del, summon the task manager |
| 15:57 |
Dan_D |
I left it going over 14 hours on the Shutting Down screen |
| 15:57 |
Dan_D |
TAsk manager op0ened... |
| 15:58 |
Jordach |
you see the File > New Task (run) option |
| 15:58 |
Jordach |
open THAT. |
| 15:58 |
werwerwer_ |
shutdown -t 0 -f -s |
| 15:58 |
Jordach |
that file manager can copy and paste to flash pens |
| 15:58 |
VanessaE |
oh that's bad |
| 15:58 |
Jordach |
sfan5, you're fucking file service is down. |
| 15:58 |
VanessaE |
you're totally fucked, Dan_D. |
| 15:58 |
Dan_D |
Don'tyou mean Applications, New Task... |
| 15:58 |
Jordach |
Dan_D, that |
| 15:58 |
Jordach |
<- windows 7 |
| 15:58 |
Dan_D |
Noooooooooooooooooo!!!! |
| 15:58 |
VanessaE |
NEVER shut your PC down with the power button |
| 15:58 |
VanessaE |
I repeat, NEVER. |
| 15:59 |
Dan_D |
It can't so soon!!! |
| 15:59 |
Dan_D |
I have to use the power button, every time |
| 15:59 |
VanessaE |
then your PC is already dead - software-wise. |
| 15:59 |
VanessaE |
you HAVE to reinstall |
| 15:59 |
Dan_D |
'<Dan_D> I left it going over 14 hours on the Shutting Down screen' |
| 15:59 |
VanessaE |
assuming the hardware is still okay |
| 16:00 |
Jordach |
Dan_D, there is no recovery now |
| 16:00 |
Dan_D |
It simply doesn't shut down that way |
| 16:00 |
Jordach |
your window is slipping |
| 16:00 |
Dan_D |
STOP!!!!!! |
| 16:00 |
Dan_D |
I CAN TAKE NO MORE! |
| 16:00 |
Dan_D |
*RAGE AT THE WORLD* |
| 16:00 |
VanessaE |
your PC is dying. |
| 16:00 |
Dan_D |
Soz |
| 16:00 |
Dan_D |
No! NO! |
| 16:00 |
Jordach |
now you see why i buy Desktop hardware |
| 16:00 |
VanessaE |
get your parents to take it in for service. |
| 16:01 |
VanessaE |
with a little luck, the hardware is okay. |
| 16:01 |
* Jordach |
hates netbooks and laptops |
| 16:01 |
VanessaE |
reinstalling windows is fast and cheap enough |
| 16:01 |
VanessaE |
but you HAVE to figure out the backup isue |
| 16:01 |
VanessaE |
issue* |
| 16:01 |
Dan_D |
http://nooooooooooooooo.com/ |
| 16:01 |
VanessaE |
I don't care how you go about doing it, but get your personal data off that machine NOW. |
| 16:01 |
Jordach |
that's my line |
| 16:02 |
Dan_D |
Copy and paste everything from both C:\ and D:\? |
| 16:02 |
Jordach |
yes |
| 16:02 |
Dan_D |
That may take a long time... |
| 16:02 |
Jordach |
(except windows and program files |
| 16:03 |
VanessaE |
so let it take a long time |
| 16:03 |
Dan_D |
Why not program files? I will lose paid software |
| 16:03 |
VanessaE |
because program files is corrupted. |
| 16:03 |
VanessaE |
or likely is. |
| 16:03 |
Dan_D |
ie, prgram suites that cost £300 |
| 16:03 |
VanessaE |
if you paid for a program, you sure as hell better have some install media for it? |
| 16:03 |
Jordach |
Dan_D: tpb if you have the box lying around |
| 16:03 |
Dan_D |
But disk check says it is fine |
| 16:03 |
Dan_D |
I have the install disks for the programs suites |
| 16:03 |
Jordach |
i'll pirate it if i have the original license |
| 16:04 |
VanessaE |
you paid 300 quid for a program for a netbook that was only 150!? |
| 16:04 |
Dan_D |
Just |
| 16:04 |
Dan_D |
Woops |
| 16:04 |
Dan_D |
Yes i did |
| 16:04 |
Jordach |
because simply finding the disks is a pita |
| 16:04 |
us{0gb |
Jordach, what's wrong with laptops? Besides poor hardware support. |
| 16:04 |
Dan_D |
If I am careful I may be able to delay the decline till I get a new laptop, hope fully before Easter |
| 16:05 |
Jordach |
us{0gb, easy to break |
| 16:05 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: you don't need new hardware. you need to reinstall windows. |
| 16:05 |
Dan_D |
I need a new laptop anyway |
| 16:05 |
Jordach |
not to mention fixing things is a pain (esp when something manages to get into the fan) |
| 16:05 |
VanessaE |
if you could afford 300 pounds for a piece of software, you can afford 100 or whatever it is for a legit copy of windows. |
| 16:05 |
Jordach |
30 quid for W8 |
| 16:05 |
Dan_D |
A more powerful one,that I won't bugger ip |
| 16:05 |
Jordach |
(from upgrade channels) |
| 16:05 |
us{0gb |
Hmm. I suppose there's that. Still, laptops don't hurt my wrists like desktops do. |
| 16:05 |
VanessaE |
unless you can get that thing running a live (as in, installed on bare hardware) linux distro |
| 16:05 |
VanessaE |
ok 30 then, either way |
| 16:06 |
Dan_D |
IDK |
| 16:06 |
Dan_D |
I am getting a better more powerful laptop anyway, whatever you say, I have been meaning to for a while |
| 16:06 |
Calinou |
<Dan_D> ie, prgram suites that cost £300 |
| 16:06 |
Calinou |
what program suites? :P |
| 16:06 |
VanessaE |
photoshop :P |
| 16:07 |
Calinou |
lol, photoshop |
| 16:07 |
Dan_D |
Serif |
| 16:07 |
Calinou |
also, it's more like 1000 pounds |
| 16:07 |
Calinou |
not 300 |
| 16:07 |
VanessaE |
well what else do you know of that people fork over that much cash for? :) |
| 16:07 |
Jordach |
Dan_D, get a desktop not a laptop |
| 16:07 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, TPB |
| 16:07 |
VanessaE |
laptops are not suitable for gaming |
| 16:07 |
VanessaE |
get a desktop |
| 16:07 |
Calinou |
don't advocate piracy |
| 16:07 |
Calinou |
VanessaE: except 2000$ ones :p |
| 16:07 |
Dan_D |
Can I carry a desktop around in a school bag? |
| 16:07 |
Calinou |
but they still get very hot :P |
| 16:08 |
VanessaE |
500 bucks or so and you've got yourself a moderately-powerful box. |
| 16:08 |
Jordach |
Calinou, only when I lose the install disk and have the license |
| 16:08 |
Jordach |
that's usually my problem |
| 16:08 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: nothing says you have to throw away the netbook |
| 16:08 |
Dan_D |
Good pojtn |
| 16:08 |
Calinou |
ok laptop + good desktop is a good combo |
| 16:08 |
Calinou |
ok laptops cost ~500 euros usually |
| 16:08 |
Dan_D |
But I already have a WinXP desktop connected to out tv |
| 16:08 |
us{0gb |
I game on my laptop. I'd get carpel tunnel if I gamed on a desktop. |
| 16:09 |
VanessaE |
so? get another then |
| 16:09 |
VanessaE |
don't use a netbook for gaming |
| 16:09 |
VanessaE |
it is not designed for that task |
| 16:09 |
sfan5 |
hi everyone |
| 16:09 |
VanessaE |
hey sfan5 |
| 16:09 |
us{0gb |
Another what? |
| 16:09 |
werwerwer_ |
us{0gb: do you game using touchpad? |
| 16:09 |
us{0gb |
Hello! |
| 16:10 |
Dan_D |
I know it isn't, I assured the shop assistant I would only be using the netbook for Word Documents and such |
| 16:10 |
Calinou |
us{0gb: why carpal tunel? |
| 16:10 |
Dan_D |
I use the touchpad for gaming |
| 16:10 |
us{0gb |
I do game with the touchpad. I find it to be way easier than a mouse. |
| 16:10 |
Calinou |
lol, gaming with touchpad |
| 16:10 |
Calinou |
you've never played a FPS |
| 16:10 |
Dan_D |
I have |
| 16:10 |
Jordach |
http://xkcd.com/488/ |
| 16:10 |
werwerwer_ |
us{0gb thaaats weird |
| 16:10 |
Calinou |
even Minetest is way better with a real mouse :P |
| 16:10 |
Dan_D |
Sauerbraten |
| 16:10 |
Calinou |
also, you don't get carpal tunnel with good mouses |
| 16:10 |
us{0gb |
I started getting carpel tunnel when I used a desktop a lot. |
| 16:10 |
Dan_D |
Sauerbraten is nigh on impossible with a touchpad |
| 16:10 |
Calinou |
which mouse? |
| 16:11 |
Calinou |
using mouse is comfortable for me... |
| 16:11 |
* Jordach |
too |
| 16:11 |
Calinou |
more than touchpad |
| 16:11 |
VanessaE |
I use a logitech M185 wireless mouse with a gel-padded mousepad. no C-T here :) |
| 16:12 |
* Jordach |
neither, and Jordach doesnt use gel padded shit |
| 16:12 |
Jordach |
my arms are fine |
| 16:12 |
Jordach |
http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/2d3e/wqwnvlvahtjdijffg.jpg |
| 16:12 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: I had to, problems with the nerved in my arms (not C-T but some other weird thing that no one can really figure out) |
| 16:12 |
VanessaE |
plus my desk was hurting my hand |
| 16:12 |
us{0gb |
I used a braceMinetest on a mouse is a pain for me. It's really a matter of preference which works better. My only point in arguing the laptop side is to not discourage it. Laptops work better for some people. Just because they don't work as well for you doesn't mean you should claim laptops are bad. |
| 16:12 |
VanessaE |
so the get fixed the issue |
| 16:12 |
Calinou |
lol wireless |
| 16:13 |
Jordach |
> wireless |
| 16:13 |
Jordach |
enjoy your signal when VanessaE is microwaving |
| 16:13 |
VanessaE |
us{0gb: well I guess it's like how some people prefer joysticks to gamepads |
| 16:13 |
Dan_D |
Can I make a joystick work with mt without an external program? |
| 16:13 |
Jordach |
nope.avi |
| 16:13 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: the receiver is only about 1m from the mouse anyway and it never glitches :) |
| 16:13 |
us{0gb |
I had to use a brace for a while to fix my wrist from too much desktop use. I'v never had that issue on my laptop. |
| 16:13 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, haha |
| 16:13 |
Calinou |
a brace? |
| 16:13 |
Jordach |
but then again, my arm is level with the mouse |
| 16:13 |
us{0gb |
A wrist brace. |
| 16:14 |
Dan_D |
MY COMPUTER SHALL NOT DIE! I FORBID IT! BY THE WORD OF ARMOK! |
| 16:14 |
* Jordach |
finds making a rendered Comic Book easier than video |
| 16:14 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: too late. |
| 16:14 |
VanessaE |
your fs is corrupted |
| 16:14 |
VanessaE |
you need to reinstall |
| 16:14 |
us{0gb |
Calinou, http://www.braceshop.com/mcdavid-carpal-tunnel-support.htm?gclid=CLX1mLn867kCFYs1QgoduiMA6A |
| 16:14 |
Dan_D |
ARMOK, GOD OF BLOOD! |
| 16:14 |
VanessaE |
there's simply no choice here. |
| 16:14 |
Jordach |
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! |
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| 16:15 |
Dan_D |
RANDOM RELIGIOUS CULT SHOUTY THINGY! |
| 16:15 |
Jordach |
MILK FOR THE CORN FLAKES! |
| 16:15 |
Dan_D |
YEAH!!!! |
| 16:15 |
Dan_D |
Sorry |
| 16:15 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 16:15 |
Calinou |
KDE users would say "by the word of Amarok" |
| 16:15 |
* Jordach |
high fives Calinou |
| 16:15 |
Dan_D |
Nah,amarok is bad |
| 16:15 |
us{0gb |
Who is Amarok? |
| 16:15 |
VanessaE |
Amarok? ew. |
| 16:15 |
VanessaE |
Audacious ftw. |
| 16:15 |
* Calinou |
uses Clementine, and brohooves Jordach |
| 16:15 |
Dan_D |
Armok, the God of Blood |
| 16:15 |
VanessaE |
us{0gb: media/music player for KDE |
| 16:15 |
* Jordach |
thorws clementines at people, minus the beheading |
| 16:16 |
VanessaE |
also the name of some really obscure tune, from which the program takes its name |
| 16:16 |
us{0gb |
Ah. My default music player, Rhythmbox, is bad as well. |
| 16:16 |
Dan_D |
Slaves to Armok: God of Blood Chapter II: Dwarf Fortress |
| 16:16 |
Dan_D |
http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/ |
| 16:16 |
Jordach |
i hear dwarf fortress is fun |
| 16:17 |
Dan_D |
Such a gret game |
| 16:17 |
VanessaE |
Audacious, in XMMS/Winamp classic view mode, with the "Expensive High-Fi" skin. |
| 16:17 |
VanessaE |
doesn't get any better :) |
| 16:17 |
Dan_D |
It is really hard if you start in an evilbiome,with terrifying surroundings, next to a necromancer tower... |
| 16:17 |
Dan_D |
With bits of hair and skin being re-animated |
| 16:17 |
* Calinou |
is playing TF2 with a custom HUD he installed yesterday |
| 16:18 |
Dan_D |
*collective ewwww* |
| 16:18 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, image or GTFO |
| 16:18 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: hold |
| 16:18 |
Dan_D |
And anyway, my computer has been retarded like this for almost a year now |
| 16:18 |
Jordach |
which slot on the fruit machine VanessaE |
| 16:18 |
us{0gb |
VanessaE, does Audacious keep playing songs if you tell it to play only one? If not, I'll give it a try. Basically, I'm looking for a music player with that one simple feature. |
| 16:18 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: http://www.winamp.com/skin/cpro-expensive-hi-fi/221928 |
| 16:18 |
VanessaE |
that one. |
| 16:19 |
Jordach |
us{0gb, clementine does that if you set it to replace current playlist and not append |
| 16:19 |
VanessaE |
though my version is a bit older than that |
| 16:19 |
us{0gb |
But there is a setting that does not do that? |
| 16:19 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: ah, this is the one I use: http://www.winamp.com/skin/expensive-hi-fi-1-2/122459 |
| 16:20 |
Dan_D |
Face it, my computer SHALL NOT DIE! |
| 16:20 |
VanessaE |
us{0gb: it can play one, or a whole playlist. it can repeat individual songs, or the whol elist alos. |
| 16:21 |
VanessaE |
whole list also* |
| 16:21 |
Jordach |
i used to use this until i found a replacement: http://www.winamp.com/android |
| 16:21 |
Dan_D |
VAnessaE, apart from the how-the-person-died thing, can you think of any other improvemetns to the death name mod? |
| 16:21 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: it's already dead. filesystem corruption is like mold - it spreads if it isn't treated. |
| 16:21 |
VanessaE |
no |
| 16:21 |
us{0gb |
Okay, good. Playing a single song a single time is such a simple feature, but several music players I've tried lack it. And it's the only way I choose to listen to music. |
| 16:21 |
Dan_D |
Yeah, I have a corrupt file in my dropbox which is annoying |
| 16:22 |
VanessaE |
us{0gb: one that's more handy for that task is actually mplayer. |
| 16:22 |
VanessaE |
it's designed for that play-once-and-quit usage |
| 16:22 |
VanessaE |
audacious isn't, but it does work. |
| 16:23 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: eventually, a corrupt library gets loaded, writes out a file you needed, but that file gets written wrong...later you open it up, it calls forth another library that reads it wrong because of the corruption, that library crashes |
| 16:23 |
us{0gb |
Mplayer looks like it doesn't have the library feature, but that's at first glance without installing it. I'll install it and see. |
| 16:23 |
VanessaE |
next thing you know you're hitting Reset or Power or whatever |
| 16:23 |
Dan_D |
Oh well |
| 16:24 |
VanessaE |
demons spew forth, mass hysteria ensues, and your fancy new mod is trashed. |
| 16:24 |
Dan_D |
*Brings in a random squad of cool army guys to kill demons* |
| 16:25 |
Dan_D |
Wow lol https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=112205#p112205 |
| 16:27 |
us{0gb |
Yeah, Mplayer is nice, but it's basically what I have when I use the movie player to play mp3s. |
| 16:27 |
us{0gb |
WHich is sort of a hacky work around I use when I don't have a decent music player. |
| 16:28 |
* Jordach |
lols at ShadowNinja's avatar |
| 16:29 |
VanessaE |
I use Xine for movies usually |
| 16:29 |
VanessaE |
Audacious for music |
| 16:31 |
Dan_D |
Ok, gonna try Xubuntu, see you guys in hell... |
| 16:31 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 16:31 |
VanessaE |
it'll fail |
| 16:31 |
VanessaE |
he just doesn't understand how fucked his machine is with a broken fs |
| 16:31 |
us{0gb |
Xubuntu would be great, if it weren't for that fact that it isn't fully free. |
| 16:32 |
Jordach |
this is why education should have better IT courses, rather than just IT for business |
| 16:32 |
VanessaE |
it's free enough for most people |
| 16:32 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: we didn't need computer courses when I was growing up. We learned it ourselves. |
| 16:32 |
us{0gb |
WHat's broken? What is an FS? I'm assuming it's not a file system, that's easy to fix with an install. |
| 16:32 |
VanessaE |
when I was his age I was already coding my first games and such |
| 16:33 |
VanessaE |
us{0gb: his windows filesystem is corrupted, crashy, and requires rebooting his PC by way of the magic power switch |
| 16:33 |
us{0gb |
VanessaE, that's because computers didn't use to be difficult because they didn't run WIndows. |
| 16:33 |
us{0gb |
(That's about the lack of courses in the past.) |
| 16:33 |
Jordach |
terminals ftw |
| 16:33 |
VanessaE |
I dunno, computers back in the day were essentially CLI-based. |
| 16:33 |
VanessaE |
a lot of people would argue that such things are more complicated than a GUI |
| 16:34 |
VanessaE |
(of course we had GEOS, so that answers to that argument) |
| 16:34 |
Jordach |
emacs anyone |
| 16:34 |
Calinou |
us{0gb: fully free distros are unusable on most hardware |
| 16:34 |
VanessaE |
what are people doing so badly wrong these days that it's become so complicated to use and learn? |
| 16:34 |
us{0gb |
More complicated than a normal GUI, yes. More complicated than WIndows including all the maintenance you have to do because Windows breaks itself, no. |
| 16:35 |
us{0gb |
Calinou, I'm having that very issue right now. |
| 16:35 |
VanessaE |
us{0gb: true enough |
| 16:35 |
us{0gb |
What is the magic power switch? |
| 16:36 |
* VanessaE |
looks at her survival server's map and frowns at there not being a whole lot of development uet |
| 16:36 |
VanessaE |
yet* |
| 16:36 |
VanessaE |
you know, the one that cuts the power and reboots when all else fails? |
| 16:36 |
VanessaE |
like the "magic reset button" |
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us{0gb |
Oh, sorry, I misread again. I read "booting", not "rebooting". It makes more sense as "rebooting". |
| 16:37 |
us{0gb |
I thought he was booting via an unusual switch. |
| 16:37 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 16:37 |
VanessaE |
brain cramp ;) |
| 16:37 |
us{0gb |
I use a button to boot my computer as well. |
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| 16:38 |
dafull97 |
im back for a few... haha |
| 16:38 |
VanessaE |
wb |
| 16:38 |
ShadowNinja |
Jordach: 60x60 limit. :-( |
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| 16:38 |
Jordach |
ShadowNinja, do what i did |
| 16:39 |
dafull97 |
pitrss, are you here? |
| 16:39 |
Jordach |
scale the 8x8 face to 64, then crop the four pixels |
| 16:40 |
dafull97 |
To all! - What is your recommended RAM for a 45 person Server |
| 16:40 |
VanessaE |
45 people? |
| 16:40 |
VanessaE |
about 8 cores at 4.5GHz each and 32GB RAM |
| 16:40 |
us{0gb |
I don't know. A lot? |
| 16:40 |
VanessaE |
:P |
| 16:40 |
PilzAdam |
depends |
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| 16:40 |
Dan_D|ipod |
Hi guys |
| 16:40 |
us{0gb |
32 GIB ... yeah, that would be a beast. |
| 16:40 |
PilzAdam |
dafull97, what game and mods do you want to run? |
| 16:40 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D|ipod: told you. |
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us{0gb |
Hello! |
| 16:41 |
VanessaE |
ha! |
| 16:41 |
dafull97 |
i run 0gb_game |
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| 16:41 |
Dan_D|ipod |
What did you tell me |
| 16:42 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D|ipod: did you finally break it? :) |
| 16:42 |
dafull97 |
and like 15 mods? |
| 16:42 |
Dan_D|ipod |
Not yet |
| 16:42 |
VanessaE |
dafull97: number of mods doesn't matter much. I run a total of 78 on mine |
| 16:42 |
PilzAdam |
dafull97, not "how many mods", but "what mods" |
| 16:42 |
VanessaE |
(and the server doesn't routinely exceed 1GB, if that much) |
| 16:42 |
us{0gb |
PilzAdam, very true. |
| 16:43 |
Dan_D|ipod |
Eg, unified dyes vs some small mod |
| 16:43 |
dafull97 |
um, let me look... i have landrush and currency, firearms mod |
| 16:43 |
VanessaE |
unified dyes IS small. |
| 16:43 |
dafull97 |
simple mobs |
| 16:43 |
VanessaE |
now, you put some of paramat's mods on there...you better have some GOOD hardware :) |
| 16:43 |
PilzAdam |
ugh, then limit max players to 10 |
| 16:43 |
Dan_D|ipod |
Xubuntu takes ages to load... It is still 'configuring hardware' |
| 16:44 |
Calinou |
probably not normal |
| 16:44 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D|ipod: of course, because you're running it on a netbook and you're not even running it on bare hardware |
| 16:44 |
Calinou |
VanessaE: MT server isn't multithreaded so you just need 2 cores... |
| 16:44 |
dafull97 |
WanessaE, what you mean? do i have some of his mods on there? |
| 16:44 |
Calinou |
but fast ones |
| 16:44 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: it IS multithreaded, just not very efficiently so. |
| 16:44 |
Dan_D|ipod |
What about having more trees, plus animals_modpack, plus technic? Lag is what you get |
| 16:44 |
us{0gb |
When Xubuntu takes forexer to load, something is broken. Xubuntu is like lightening. |
| 16:44 |
VanessaE |
(the mapgen can run several threads, but the results are... not the best) |
| 16:45 |
us{0gb |
*forever |
| 16:45 |
Dan_D|ipod |
It is the first time booting, it is setting itself up |
| 16:45 |
VanessaE |
oh, it's probably still installing then |
| 16:46 |
Dan_D|ipod |
Yeah |
| 16:46 |
dafull97 |
VanessaE, what you mean? do i have some of his mods on there? |
| 16:46 |
VanessaE |
well that doesn't count. |
| 16:46 |
VanessaE |
dafull97: doubt it. I was making a joke. |
| 16:46 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D|ipod: just let it finish |
| 16:46 |
VanessaE |
on slow hardware, it takes about 45 minutes to install Xubuntu |
| 16:46 |
Dan_D|ipod |
Aha, says it is running update-grub. will this get rid of kolobrios? |
| 16:46 |
VanessaE |
yes |
| 16:47 |
Dan_D|ipod |
Yay |
| 16:47 |
VanessaE |
at the expense of putting xubuntu in its place :P |
| 16:47 |
Dan_D|ipod |
I never really wanted Kolibrios |
| 16:47 |
dafull97 |
VanessaE, ohhh... sorry new still haha |
| 16:47 |
Dan_D|ipod |
It was stupid |
| 16:47 |
dafull97 |
all my mods!!! - currency farming_plus firearms_guns firearms_spawners firearmslib jail landrush locked_furnace locked_sign maptools mobs rulepop tnt |
| 16:48 |
VanessaE |
I don't see anything particularly heavy in that list. |
| 16:48 |
VanessaE |
tnt can slow a server down while it's detonating, but that's about it I guess |
| 16:48 |
dafull97 |
no, really simple stuff til i get bigger |
| 16:48 |
dafull97 |
tn can? |
| 16:48 |
dafull97 |
tnt* |
| 16:48 |
VanessaE |
now try moretrees + plants_lib :) |
| 16:48 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, "nothing heavy"? have you missed the "mobs" part? |
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| 16:49 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: I assume he means simple mobs. not a particularly heavy mod that I've seen |
| 16:49 |
VanessaE |
mobs != mobf |
| 16:49 |
Dan_D|ipod |
Bah, I keep hitting the to back a page button |
| 16:49 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, I happen to know what my mods are called |
| 16:49 |
Dan_D|ipod |
Lol |
| 16:49 |
PilzAdam |
but anyway, with many people mobs wont run very repsonsive (I think) |
| 16:50 |
Dan_D|ipod |
Who here has the Hill Climb Racer app? |
| 16:50 |
Dan_D|ipod |
Or jet pack joyride? |
| 16:51 |
Jordach |
Dan_D|ipod, shush |
| 16:51 |
Dan_D|ipod |
Why? |
| 16:51 |
dafull97 |
VanessaE, Yes it was simple mobs |
| 16:51 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, you run simplemobs on your survival server? |
| 16:51 |
Dan_D|ipod |
I dunna wanna shush |
| 16:51 |
PilzAdam |
how does it perform? |
| 16:51 |
Dan_D|ipod |
Laggu |
| 16:52 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: other than the entity duplication issues, it behaves just fine |
| 16:52 |
PilzAdam |
I guess you connect over Lan to the server? |
| 16:52 |
Dan_D|ipod |
The mobs sometimes don't attack, and sometimes their animations don't change to the attack one when they chase you |
| 16:52 |
VanessaE |
I have it on both servers, with the survival one allowing for hostile mobs also. |
| 16:52 |
us{0gb |
Hmm. Clementine has the annoying feature of remaining active even when you close the window, but I can live with that a lot better than I can live with Rythmbox playing every mp3 on my hard drive when I only tell it to play one song. |
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| 16:52 |
Calinou |
it's not a bad thing |
| 16:53 |
Calinou |
hides it from alt+tab |
| 16:53 |
VanessaE |
my client runs on the same machine as the server, so I never see network latency, but regular server lag of course shows up as bad for me as for anyone else |
| 16:53 |
VanessaE |
I haven't noticed that mobs causes any such lag |
| 16:53 |
us{0gb |
Also, I seem to have to open Clementine twice for it to actually open. |
| 16:53 |
thexyz |
us{0gb: use deadbeef |
| 16:53 |
* harrison |
tires of being an insect and goes back to being a cuttlefish |
| 16:53 |
* harrison |
drifts closer to the reef |
| 16:53 |
Jordach |
us{0gb, first is minimise to tray, second is window |
| 16:54 |
Dan_D|ipod |
I get it a lot, also, sometimes I am near them and don't take damage, then start taking damage somewhere else after I have killed them: |
| 16:54 |
Jordach |
(for me i just right click it then press play) |
| 16:54 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D|ipod: that's more a problem of server lag than network latency |
| 16:54 |
VanessaE |
since the mapgen itself more or less runs in the same thread as the Lua stuff |
| 16:54 |
us{0gb |
Jordach, I see that, but that still is cumbersome to have to find it in the menu twice before choosing a song. |
| 16:54 |
* harrison |
suddenly jets away in a cloud of ink |
| 16:55 |
dafull97 |
VanessaE, mobs havnt lagged for me... with 256mb RAM how many people could i host? |
| 16:55 |
sdzen |
so apparently my harddrive has finally joined its brothers in the cloud. no minetest for me until I stop running off a cd drive. |
| 16:55 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, it doesnt exactly run in the same thread, but it locks it |
| 16:55 |
PilzAdam |
(Lua locks mapgen) |
| 16:55 |
us{0gb |
thexyz, deadbeef does not appear to be in the repository. |
| 16:55 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: close enough, same effect anyway. hence the "more or less" part. |
| 16:55 |
VanessaE |
also, when I wrote "mobs != mobf", I figured you'd misread it. |
| 16:55 |
PilzAdam |
In Minetest everything generally locks everything else |
| 16:56 |
VanessaE |
not that you don't know your mods. |
| 16:56 |
sdzen |
what repo doesnt have deadbeef? |
| 16:56 |
thexyz |
us{0gb: what's your distro? |
| 16:56 |
sdzen |
mplayer for all your wants and needs :) |
| 16:56 |
dafull97 |
*ALL* - how many people could i host with what i provided above? |
| 16:57 |
thexyz |
mplayer for music is not the best choice |
| 16:57 |
us{0gb |
thexyz, Trisquel. Perhaps deadbeef is proprietary? I lack proprietary stuff in my repos. |
| 16:57 |
Dan_D|ipod |
Okay Xubuntu, here I come! |
| 16:57 |
PilzAdam |
dafull97, yourself at the same PC, firearms and mobs arent fun over a larger network |
| 16:57 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D|ipod: good luck |
| 16:57 |
dafull97 |
PilzAdam, what you mean? |
| 16:57 |
us{0gb |
sdzen, mplayer is basically what I have when I use my movie player to play music files. |
| 16:58 |
thexyz |
us{0gb: no, it's GPL'd, but well, have fun with your distro |
| 16:59 |
us{0gb |
Hmm. I wonder why it's missing then. I'll ask in the other channel after I have time to research it a bit. |
| 16:59 |
thexyz |
yeah, really, why could it be |
| 16:59 |
thexyz |
let me make a wild guess… no, that'd be too harsh |
| 16:59 |
Jordach |
haha |
| 17:00 |
thexyz |
us{0gb: anyway, you can compile it from sources |
| 17:00 |
Jordach |
brb - BACON BAGELS |
| 17:00 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: GIMME! |
| 17:00 |
us{0gb |
That's a good point. I might do that. |
| 17:01 |
ShadowNinja |
Why two us.0gb's? |
| 17:01 |
thexyz |
aren't we celebrating gnu 30th anniversary today? |
| 17:02 |
PilzAdam |
thexyz, no reason to do that |
| 17:02 |
PilzAdam |
(see topic) |
| 17:02 |
us{0gb |
ShadowNinja, my hand slipped, and I joined Freenode twice. |
| 17:03 |
dafull97 |
PilzAdam, what you mean? |
| 17:03 |
sfan5 |
someone mentioned Minetest in /r/Minecraft on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/1n8hgw/i_know_my_computer_probably_wont_be_able_to_run/ccggd6a |
| 17:03 |
sdzen |
what magic do you imploy to duplicate with just a slight of hand magician? |
| 17:03 |
thexyz |
sfan5: and what? |
| 17:04 |
us{0gb |
sdzen, a magician never tells. |
| 17:04 |
thexyz |
lol |
| 17:04 |
thexyz |
nice comments |
| 17:04 |
VanessaE |
"Once it can load in MC maps, it'll be great" |
| 17:04 |
sfan5 |
normally people mentioning mc clones in /r/Minecraft get downvoted into hell |
| 17:04 |
VanessaE |
HAH! |
| 17:04 |
thexyz |
> Is this made in Java? |
| 17:04 |
sfan5 |
^ plol |
| 17:04 |
thexyz |
> Mainly in Lua with a smattering of C++. |
| 17:05 |
sfan5 |
> Was that the language that Escape from Monkey Island was written in? |
| 17:06 |
us{0gb |
"Once it can load in MC maps, it'll be great!" |
| 17:06 |
VanessaE |
us{0gb: you're lagging :P |
| 17:06 |
us{0gb |
Not this time, I'm just slow. |
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| 17:07 |
Dan_D |
Haha |
| 17:07 |
us{0gb |
Oh, wow. You already said that. |
| 17:07 |
us{0gb |
Sorry, my bad. That was just me not reading fully. |
| 17:07 |
Dan_D |
First speech from Xubuntu: Hi! |
| 17:07 |
us{0gb |
Hello! |
| 17:07 |
us{0gb |
How is it? |
| 17:07 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: it works? excellent. |
| 17:07 |
Dan_D |
Very fast |
| 17:07 |
VanessaE |
I told you it would be :) |
| 17:07 |
us{0gb |
Ignoring freedom, Xubuntu is probably my favorite. |
| 17:07 |
Dan_D |
MUCH faster than any OS except KolibriOS, which is still there apparently |
| 17:07 |
VanessaE |
now give it two days and your underlying windows filesystem will trash it ;) |
| 17:08 |
Dan_D |
No VanessaE, that shall not happen. |
| 17:08 |
dafull97 |
what is faster Xubuntu or Ubuntu |
| 17:08 |
sfan5 |
windows will trash anything |
| 17:08 |
VanessaE |
it must have detected the old grub boot record and chose to retain it. no worries. |
| 17:08 |
sfan5 |
dafull97: xubuntu |
| 17:08 |
Dan_D |
Xubuntu is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay faster |
| 17:08 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: now try it with minetest :) |
| 17:08 |
dafull97 |
What is the fastest linux os? |
| 17:08 |
VanessaE |
dafull97: depends on what oyu're doing. |
| 17:08 |
sdzen |
depends on what you need in a distro |
| 17:09 |
us{0gb |
Fastest? SOmething without a desktop. |
| 17:09 |
sfan5 |
^ |
| 17:09 |
sdzen |
and VanessaE beat me |
| 17:09 |
Dan_D |
VanessaE, how do I get the latest Minetest nightly build, in Xubuntu? |
| 17:09 |
VanessaE |
HIYAH! YAH! *insert other random chop-socky here* |
| 17:09 |
VanessaE |
;) |
| 17:09 |
* us{0gb |
does not recommend running without a desktop, however |
| 17:09 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/README.txt#L83 |
| 17:09 |
VanessaE |
folow this, to the letter. |
| 17:09 |
dafull97 |
overall, with a desktop of corse |
| 17:09 |
Dan_D |
Ok |
| 17:09 |
sfan5 |
us{0gb: servers too? :P |
| 17:09 |
sdzen |
I am sure someone here is running full cli |
| 17:09 |
ShadowNinja |
I know someone that can get a server to boot in 1.5s with only slightly higher-end hardware. |
| 17:09 |
* sdzen |
calls out |
| 17:10 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: with one exception: you could just git clone the sources instead of grabbing zips if you want to. |
| 17:10 |
us{0gb |
Well, servers are different. My server has no desktop, but it's not being used as a client either. |
| 17:10 |
us{0gb |
My server runs headless. Like a chicken. |
| 17:10 |
Dan_D |
Also, I want it to be all in a folder on the desktop, RUN_IN_PLACE I think the term is. |
| 17:11 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: there is also a nightlies PPA, here: https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/daily-builds |
| 17:11 |
VanessaE |
(the PPA is much easier to use) |
| 17:11 |
sdzen |
but what if Dan_D has a curfew? :) |
| 17:11 |
Dan_D |
VanessaE, can you tellme how to install the nightly as a run in place build, easily |
| 17:12 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: the nightlies PPA isn't run-in-place |
| 17:12 |
VanessaE |
it's a system-wide installer |
| 17:12 |
Jordach |
what if i told you that Xubuntu is M$ owned |
| 17:12 |
VanessaE |
I'd say bite your tongue |
| 17:12 |
sdzen |
I would believe it |
| 17:12 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: for linux run-in-place you'll have to compile. |
| 17:12 |
dafull97 |
you guys that run your servers 24/7 from home how do you generate money to pay for electric? haha |
| 17:12 |
Jordach |
dafull97, solar power |
| 17:12 |
Jordach |
VanessaE uses that iirc |
| 17:12 |
sdzen |
slaves |
| 17:12 |
Dan_D |
Okay, not run_in_place,but how to get the latest basically, and keep it updated? |
| 17:13 |
VanessaE |
dafull97: my total power bill runs me less than $100 a month in the summer, and about $150 in the winter. the PC barely registers,. |
| 17:13 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: the PPA. |
| 17:13 |
Dan_D |
VanessaE, how to use the ppa |
| 17:13 |
sdzen |
VanessaE, do you use appliances or are you foraging for berries? |
| 17:13 |
Dan_D |
Is there a big fat 'Install Minetest Here!' Button? |
| 17:13 |
VanessaE |
open a terminal and do: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:minetestdevs/daily-builds; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install minetestc55 |
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| 17:14 |
VanessaE |
that'll install it in one line. |
| 17:14 |
Dan_D |
Ok |
| 17:14 |
VanessaE |
sdzen: appliances. |
| 17:14 |
dafull97 |
what is the differance between Xubntu and Ubuntu |
| 17:14 |
sdzen |
DE |
| 17:14 |
VanessaE |
oven, washing machine, dryer, dish washer, two microwaves, fridge. the usual. |
| 17:14 |
sdzen |
2? |
| 17:14 |
Dan_D |
How do I keep it updated? |
| 17:14 |
Jordach |
Xubuntu has a faster GUI, Ubuntu? SLOOOOOWWWW |
| 17:14 |
VanessaE |
dafull97: Xubuntu is the Ubuntu base stuff plus XFCE and related imagery |
| 17:14 |
us{0gb |
Ubuntu has a pesky interface and is slower. It also comes with Amazon ads. |
| 17:15 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:15 |
VanessaE |
minetest will be updated along with the rest of the system |
| 17:15 |
VanessaE |
think "patch tuesday" but without all the reboots. |
| 17:15 |
Dan_D |
How do I get the terminal? |
| 17:15 |
sdzen |
unity is an evil version of gnome |
| 17:15 |
dafull97 |
im thinking hard about switching to Xubuntu, Dan_D how much faster is it? |
| 17:15 |
Dan_D |
Also, I only want to update Minetest,not everything |
| 17:15 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: in the Xfce menu, Accessories |
| 17:15 |
Dan_D |
Xubuntu is like ligtning on My Netbook |
| 17:15 |
VanessaE |
there are a few terminals listed there. Choose your favorite. |
| 17:16 |
Dan_D |
Ah tahsnk |
| 17:16 |
VanessaE |
(Xfce's terminal is in Xfce menu -> System) |
| 17:16 |
us{0gb |
Same here. Xubuntu is way fast on my laptop as well. |
| 17:16 |
Jordach |
ctrl + t (if your DE/UI does this) |
| 17:16 |
VanessaE |
Windows-F1 for me :) |
| 17:16 |
Calinou |
disable compositing for free FPSes in your games |
| 17:17 |
thexyz |
ctrl + alt + t |
| 17:17 |
dafull97 |
i mainly swirtched to Linux because people say its faster than windows, i have older Laptop.... then i "fell in love" with it hahahaha |
| 17:17 |
VanessaE |
(that keystroke is based on a keyboard I had years ago, where there were some generic media keys. the one I used for the terminal was right above F1) |
| 17:17 |
Jordach |
thexyz, it's that way round iirc |
| 17:17 |
* dafull97 |
is better than VanessaE, not really... haha |
| 17:17 |
thexyz |
now enjoy your tearing |
| 17:18 |
* Jordach |
had a joke; was too offensive |
| 17:18 |
Dan_D |
The one thing I don't like about Xubuntu is whenever I move my mouse to the bottom of the screen to select this box to type stuff in the IRC client, the applications bar pops up and blocks my line of sight. |
| 17:18 |
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| 17:19 |
Jordach |
Dan_D, that bar can be disabled |
| 17:19 |
Calinou |
first thing I do after xubuntu install: remove bottom panel (dock) |
| 17:19 |
Jordach |
i have done so before |
| 17:19 |
Dan_D |
Ok |
| 17:19 |
us{0gb |
Dan_D, I know, that can be a bit annoying at times, but if you don't want to get used to it, you can remove that bottom bar. |
| 17:19 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: two docks, autohide, with the launcher at the top. |
| 17:19 |
Calinou |
on my netbook I autohide top panel too |
| 17:19 |
Dan_D |
VanessaE, what was the sudo command to just update Minetest and nothing else? |
| 17:20 |
Calinou |
Dan_D: depends on how you installed it |
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| 17:20 |
Calinou |
if you installed it from sources, git pull |
| 17:20 |
dafull97 |
Dan_D make Youtube video? i would love to see it before i switched |
| 17:20 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install minetestc55 |
| 17:20 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: nightlies PPA. |
| 17:20 |
Dan_D |
Ok thankis |
| 17:20 |
Dan_D |
dafull97, I can't really make a video, but you can try a dual boot of it or a live CD |
| 17:21 |
dafull97 |
ok, thanks anyway =D |
| 17:21 |
dafull97 |
be back in a few |
| 17:21 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: the "update" step tells the package manager (apt) to download the latest program listings and trawl through them looking for new versions. apt-get upgrade actually downloads those new versions. apt-get dist-upgrade is more agressive, but I forget what the real difference is. |
| 17:22 |
Dan_D |
How do I remove the bottom panel? |
| 17:23 |
rubenwardy |
Hi all |
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| 17:23 |
Dan_D |
Never mind |
| 17:23 |
us{0gb |
Hello! |
| 17:23 |
Dan_D |
This IRC client is so much better thanks Mozilla Firefix |
| 17:23 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: right click -> panel -> panel preferences |
| 17:23 |
Dan_D |
*FireFox |
| 17:23 |
thexyz |
I want blu ray 3d support in Linux, what do I do? |
| 17:23 |
Dan_D |
So I, to update minetest, do: |
| 17:24 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: ehm...that's still iffy but I guess VLC and some commercial util |
| 17:24 |
Dan_D |
sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install minetestc55 |
| 17:24 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install minetestc55 |
| 17:24 |
VanessaE |
yes |
| 17:24 |
Dan_D |
Yay |
| 17:24 |
Dan_D |
I actually remembered something for once :P |
| 17:24 |
thexyz |
VanessaE: correct answer is either to install windows or mess with wine and reencoding |
| 17:25 |
Dan_D |
Where will the minetest icon/whatever be? |
| 17:25 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: no, there's some stuff for linux to do it now. you basically have to rip the disc first though |
| 17:25 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: I don't know that it'll be in the menus. |
| 17:25 |
VanessaE |
run it from Alt-F2 |
| 17:25 |
VanessaE |
or from a terminal |
| 17:25 |
thexyz |
VanessaE: I'm sure there is not but could you kindly give me the links? I think H.264 MVC isn't implemented in ffmpeg/libav |
| 17:25 |
VanessaE |
or add it to your panel if you want |
| 17:25 |
thexyz |
so there's no chance of BD3D working |
| 17:25 |
us{0gb |
Installing Windows is never the correct answer. |
| 17:25 |
Dan_D |
How to from terminal? |
| 17:26 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: just "minetest" :) |
| 17:26 |
Dan_D |
Ok |
| 17:26 |
thexyz |
and, well, if it's not implemented in ffmpeg/libav then it's probably not implemented anywhere |
| 17:26 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: been too long since I read about it. |
| 17:26 |
Dan_D |
Sounds simple enough |
| 17:26 |
Dan_D |
Wait-GIMP comes with Xubuntu? Awesome! |
| 17:27 |
thexyz |
VanessaE: okay, I have VLC laying around, let's see |
| 17:27 |
Jordach |
thexyz, what point of VLC does everything don't you ever understand |
| 17:27 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: looks like it does it via the usual win32codecs hook |
| 17:27 |
us{0gb |
The Minetest icon should be in the menu under "Games". |
| 17:27 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: yes |
| 17:27 |
Dan_D |
Also, my school uses GIMP 2.8 which is almost impossible to use |
| 17:27 |
* Jordach |
prefers 2.6.12 |
| 17:27 |
Jordach |
i aint upgrading ever |
| 17:27 |
VanessaE |
us{0gb: oh, so it is! I didn't realize it got added to the menu. |
| 17:27 |
Jordach |
as long as it remains compatible with future versions of windows, i'll use it |
| 17:28 |
us{0gb |
It does from the stable PPA, anyway. I don't know for sure about the nightly PPA. |
| 17:28 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: I hated it at first, and still hate the export-versus-save duality, but after a while you get used to it and actually find yourself missing it when you have to use 2.6 |
| 17:28 |
VanessaE |
us{0gb: it does from source too. never noticed before. |
| 17:29 |
us{0gb |
It does from source? I've never had it do that from source. Maybe it's disabled if you tell it to run in place. |
| 17:29 |
* us{0gb |
always runs in place when compiling |
| 17:29 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, 2.6 ftw, i dont like the Photoshop like UI |
| 17:29 |
Dan_D |
Wow, 15FPS in Minetest,that is 8 more FPS than in Windows |
| 17:29 |
* Jordach |
isn't a fan of PS either |
| 17:29 |
Jordach |
I've grown up on 2.6, i'll die using 2.6 |
| 17:30 |
Dan_D |
I like GIMP 2.6 |
| 17:30 |
Dan_D |
It is nice |
| 17:30 |
us{0gb |
The only thing PhotoShop is good for is editing real-life objects. |
| 17:30 |
us{0gb |
http://xkcd.com/331/ |
| 17:31 |
thexyz |
VanessaE: I don't see any proof of VLC being able to play BD3D (are you sure you're not talking about BD? those are very different things) |
| 17:31 |
Dan_D |
Also, I like the concept of IRC clients, I never knew they existed until today |
| 17:31 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: as I said, it's been too long since I read up on it. |
| 17:31 |
thexyz |
VanessaE: but you did read up on it? |
| 17:32 |
us{0gb |
Yeah, IRC clients are more convenient than the web interface usually. |
| 17:32 |
VanessaE |
the some time ago, yes but maybe it was plain BD and not BD3D |
| 17:32 |
thexyz |
or you don't remember and said "it works" just because you got confused and thought I was talking about BD |
| 17:32 |
thexyz |
right |
| 17:32 |
VanessaE |
where did I say "it works"? |
| 17:32 |
thexyz |
BD is not interesting at all |
| 17:32 |
VanessaE |
[09-27 13:28] <VanessaE> thexyz: ehm...that's still iffy but I guess VLC and some commercial util |
| 17:32 |
thexyz |
okay |
| 17:32 |
* us{0gb |
thinks "BD" looks like a face |
| 17:33 |
thexyz |
> no, there's some stuff for linux to do it now. you basically have to rip the disc first though |
| 17:33 |
VanessaE |
yeah, there I misread BD3D as just BD |
| 17:33 |
Dan_D |
Okay, I will amend my previous statement. Any distro ending in buntu is shit, unless it starts with Z |
| 17:33 |
Dan_D |
*I mean X |
| 17:33 |
thexyz |
okay |
| 17:33 |
thexyz |
that's bad |
| 17:33 |
VanessaE |
sooner or later it'll happen. |
| 17:34 |
Dan_D |
And I will install Xubuntu as the first program installation when I get a new laptop definately |
| 17:35 |
thexyz |
VanessaE: replies from developers look like "The reason 3D isn't implemented in any major media players is because nobody cares about 3D except television manufacturers. Also because there's no standardized method of outputting 3D video. There's about 6 different methods out there, at least, all of them mutually contradictory; just see Youtube's "3D player" for an example of the madness." |
| 17:35 |
thexyz |
also something along the lines of "it sucks anyway" |
| 17:35 |
Dan_D |
Is it possible to select and copy posts from IRC, rather than memorising them? |
| 17:35 |
thexyz |
http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1462086&postcount=11 |
| 17:36 |
thexyz |
guess that's not going to happen |
| 17:36 |
Jordach |
Dan_D, copy and paste is possible |
| 17:36 |
Jordach |
just highlight the text + nick and ctrl + c, then ctrl+v somewhere else |
| 17:36 |
Dan_D |
I can't highlight the text though |
| 17:36 |
us{0gb |
WHat client, Pidgin? |
| 17:37 |
us{0gb |
Use XChat instead. |
| 17:37 |
Dan_D |
It is Xchat |
| 17:37 |
khonkhortisan |
3D is supposed to be stored as complete frames for both eyes, then processed for whichever viewing method is being used, to be able to change the method |
| 17:37 |
us{0gb |
XChat also comes with Xubuntu. |
| 17:37 |
Jordach |
* Received CTCP-VERSION answer from Dan_D: xchat 2.8.8 Ubuntu |
| 17:37 |
us{0gb |
Oh, my bad. |
| 17:37 |
us{0gb |
I don't know why it wouldn't be working then ... |
| 17:37 |
Calinou |
Dan_D: I hardly enjoy Minetest with 15 fps, especially with low settings... |
| 17:37 |
Dan_D |
VanessaE, you installed pyramids on your server? |
| 17:37 |
khonkhortisan |
Quoting a ctcp makes me think I'm getting one from you |
| 17:37 |
VanessaE |
yes |
| 17:38 |
Dan_D |
Internet is quite slow here... |
| 17:38 |
us{0gb |
Dan_D, are you right clicking to copy or are you using control + c? |
| 17:38 |
khonkhortisan |
or middle clicking to copy? |
| 17:38 |
Dan_D |
I can't select text in the first place |
| 17:39 |
us{0gb |
Okay, that's odd. |
| 17:39 |
Dan_D |
Yeah |
| 17:39 |
Dan_D |
Will exiting the terminal that Mt is running from make Mt close, in Xubuntu? |
| 17:39 |
khonkhortisan |
shift-left/right can highlight if you already have a cursor |
| 17:39 |
VanessaE |
yes |
| 17:40 |
Dan_D |
Okay |
| 17:40 |
VanessaE |
if you [X] out of it |
| 17:40 |
VanessaE |
better to close minetest properly |
| 17:40 |
khonkhortisan |
but not in a terminal |
| 17:40 |
Dan_D |
What about running the sudo command in the same terminal? |
| 17:40 |
Jordach |
never run minetestserver or minetest as root |
| 17:40 |
VanessaE |
why would you use sudo except to update? |
| 17:40 |
Dan_D |
I opened terminal, and typed minetest |
| 17:40 |
us{0gb |
No, never run the server as root. |
| 17:41 |
Dan_D |
It then ran from that terminal |
| 17:41 |
VanessaE |
right. |
| 17:41 |
VanessaE |
just minimize the terminal then |
| 17:41 |
Dan_D |
And I wanted to try and install Wine at the same time |
| 17:41 |
VanessaE |
the [_] button in the title bar. |
| 17:41 |
VanessaE |
oh, for that just go through Synaptic or something |
| 17:41 |
VanessaE |
or open another terminal |
| 17:41 |
VanessaE |
you can have as many open as you want |
| 17:42 |
Jordach |
Wine is not exemplar. |
| 17:42 |
Dan_D |
Is it sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get instal wine |
| 17:42 |
Dan_D |
*install |
| 17:42 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: well if that's the state of things, I guess there's nothing much to say |
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| 17:42 |
Jordach |
lol 3D TV |
| 17:42 |
VanessaE |
some day, maybe it'll happen after the aforementioned 3d format mess is straightened out |
| 17:42 |
Jordach |
it's pointless |
| 17:42 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: should be yes |
| 17:43 |
Dan_D |
Minetest freezes when loading pyramids_mummy.x |
| 17:43 |
Dan_D |
When connecting to your server |
| 17:43 |
VanessaE |
give it time to load the models |
| 17:43 |
Jordach |
Why play GTA5 when you've got Modern Warfare 2 going on outside :P |
| 17:43 |
Dan_D |
I got a timeout error |
| 17:44 |
Dan_D |
Also, Black Ops 2 is broken on my Xbox |
| 17:44 |
VanessaE |
that's okay, just disconnect, wait 45 seconds, and try again |
| 17:44 |
Dan_D |
I am re-trying to connect now |
| 17:44 |
Jordach |
woah |
| 17:44 |
Jordach |
Dan_D, haha mine works |
| 17:44 |
Dan_D |
Black Ops 2? |
| 17:44 |
Jordach |
mhm |
| 17:44 |
khonkhortisan |
3d gaming is better than 3d tv |
| 17:45 |
Calinou |
enjoy your halved FPS, khonkhortisan |
| 17:45 |
Calinou |
as if today's GPUs were too fast |
| 17:45 |
Dan_D |
It freezes and requires the button to be pressed on the Xbox in either multiplayer or Zombies, but not cmpaign |
| 17:45 |
Jordach |
Calinou, the 3DS handles it fine |
| 17:45 |
khonkhortisan |
I just halve my width (cross-eyed) |
| 17:46 |
Jordach |
Dan_D, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=110635#p110635 |
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| 17:46 |
Dan_D |
Lol |
| 17:47 |
Jordach |
i can pixel art on any medium |
| 17:47 |
Jordach |
</deal_with_it) |
| 17:47 |
Jordach |
>* |
| 17:48 |
Dan_D |
I can't install wine, because 3 things are currently unavailable. |
| 17:48 |
* Jordach |
prods sfan5 |
| 17:48 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: pastebin please? |
| 17:48 |
Dan_D |
So off to the software centre... |
| 17:48 |
Dan_D |
I did: |
| 17:48 |
Dan_D |
sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install wine |
| 17:49 |
VanessaE |
I meant the error part silly :P |
| 17:49 |
Dan_D |
Ok |
| 17:49 |
sfan5 |
Jordach: what? |
| 17:49 |
Dan_D |
How am I meant to memorise the long error message? |
| 17:49 |
Jordach |
http://paste.ubuntu.com/6163704/ |
| 17:49 |
Jordach |
sfan5, ^ |
| 17:49 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: copy&paste |
| 17:50 |
Dan_D |
How do I select the error message though? |
| 17:50 |
VanessaE |
the same way you would in windows,. |
| 17:50 |
VanessaE |
highlight with the mouse, right click -> "Copy" |
| 17:50 |
Dan_D |
Well, click and drag doesn't work |
| 17:50 |
khonkhortisan |
screenshot as last resort |
| 17:50 |
VanessaE |
then go to a pastebin and right click->paste |
| 17:50 |
sfan5 |
Jordach: dunno, may be my router |
| 17:50 |
Jordach |
(your service was broken earlier) |
| 17:50 |
Dan_D |
So I can't highlight the text |
| 17:50 |
VanessaE |
you can't highlight in the terminal |
| 17:50 |
VanessaE |
? |
| 17:50 |
Dan_D |
So how do I select the error message? |
| 17:51 |
VanessaE |
you can't highlight in the terminal ? |
| 17:51 |
* Jordach |
uploads something large |
| 17:51 |
thexyz |
VanessaE: I don't see any relation between decoding MVC and outputing 3d though I'm not the one to judge what should those people do with their free time; just saying that this argument is totally invalid; moreover, hdmi 1.4a spec has 3d section which is quite clear; and the easiest way to implement it seems to support 1920×2205 resolution (it is interpreted as 2 1920×1080 frames over/under, with 45 pixel empty space between) |
| 17:51 |
Dan_D |
No I can't |
| 17:51 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: screenshot then |
| 17:51 |
thexyz |
Jordach: you sure have a strong argument here |
| 17:51 |
Dan_D |
What is the screenshot keybind? |
| 17:51 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: Printscreen |
| 17:51 |
Dan_D |
Then what? |
| 17:52 |
Jordach |
current project: http://sfan5.duckdns.org/upload/userdata/3/Page1.png |
| 17:52 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: then upload to imgur or something, like usual |
| 17:52 |
Dan_D |
Ok |
| 17:52 |
Jordach |
1.48mb oops :P |
| 17:53 |
sfan5 |
aww shit |
| 17:53 |
sfan5 |
I shouldn't allow file listing on userdata dirs |
| 17:53 |
* Jordach |
lols |
| 17:53 |
Jordach |
b-b-b-but im the only user of secret links |
| 17:53 |
Dan_D |
http://s9.postimg.org/mzome17bj/Screenshot_270913_18_52_15.png |
| 17:53 |
rubenwardy |
Jordach: one the second box, the bubbles are wrong |
| 17:54 |
thexyz |
that didn't take too long to realise |
| 17:54 |
Jordach |
rubenwardy, the lighting bolt indicates shouting, or forms of agression |
| 17:54 |
rubenwardy |
it is read jordach first then mum |
| 17:54 |
Jordach |
rubenwardy, fuck it |
| 17:54 |
Dan_D |
I only have the Ubuntu software center, the Xchat client, and the terminal running |
| 17:54 |
* Jordach |
says fuck the rules |
| 17:54 |
thexyz |
sfan5 will soon figure he shouldn't be using apache either |
| 17:54 |
Dan_D |
Software center is now installing wine |
| 17:54 |
rubenwardy |
It confused me |
| 17:54 |
Dan_D |
Because terminal gave that error |
| 17:54 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: I shouldn't be? |
| 17:55 |
Jordach |
Dan_D, i has a bigger screen |
| 17:55 |
Dan_D |
Err? What? |
| 17:55 |
Dan_D |
I has been using a netbooks |
| 17:55 |
Jordach |
Dan_D, close ubuntu software centre |
| 17:55 |
thexyz |
sfan5: yes, stop using apache2 now and begin to live in wonderful apache-less world |
| 17:55 |
Jordach |
that's currently locking the dir apt-get needs |
| 17:55 |
Dan_D |
It is half-way through installing Wine though |
| 17:56 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: who will make my .htaccess files work with nginx/lighttpd? |
| 17:56 |
VanessaE |
OH |
| 17:56 |
Dan_D |
Because Using terminal didn'twork, so I resorted to software centre |
| 17:56 |
VanessaE |
dan you didn't say you still had the software center open. |
| 17:56 |
VanessaE |
this is a completely normal error |
| 17:56 |
Dan_D |
I only opened it after the error |
| 17:56 |
VanessaE |
only one program at a time may have the apt database open |
| 17:56 |
thexyz |
sfan5: you don't need .htaccess files |
| 17:56 |
Dan_D |
Then had it open when I screenshotted |
| 17:57 |
Dan_D |
Why is Wine so damn slow???? |
| 17:57 |
Dan_D |
At installing??? |
| 17:57 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: how do I tell the server not to interpret .php files as php code then? |
| 17:57 |
VanessaE |
because it's bit? |
| 17:57 |
VanessaE |
big* |
| 17:57 |
Dan_D |
Oh yeah, good point |
| 17:57 |
Jordach |
rubenwardy, the duvet was a technical cheat: i used the cloth modifier then let it fall over my model and bed, then rendered |
| 17:58 |
Dan_D |
Bye guys for now |
| 17:58 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: anyway, you still had something else open that was using the apt database, maybe software center, maybe something else. that'w hy |
| 17:58 |
VanessaE |
that's why you got that error. |
| 17:58 |
VanessaE |
damn ir |
| 17:58 |
VanessaE |
ARHGH#UT*_)&NT*@!()RT*($)@!T*($_@*!!!!!!! |
| 17:58 |
Jordach |
!!kick VanessaE |
| 17:58 |
Jordach |
spam* |
| 17:58 |
VanessaE |
FUCK YOU YOU BROKE-ASS FINGER! |
| 17:58 |
sfan5 |
Jordach: fixed it |
| 17:58 |
Jordach |
woop |
| 17:58 |
* VanessaE |
screams |
| 17:58 |
* Jordach |
gets the straight jacket |
| 17:59 |
thexyz |
sfan5: I don't understand you; you obviously can do everything .htaccess capable of in nginx, just with different syntax |
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| 17:59 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: I didn't understand you then |
| 17:59 |
thexyz |
dunno about lighttpd but most likely it can do that too |
| 17:59 |
thexyz |
sfan5: that's fine, now stop using it |
| 17:59 |
Jordach |
<sfan5> fuck nginx |
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| 18:00 |
Jordach |
thexyz, not everyone has to use your standards |
| 18:00 |
Dan_D |
Does Xubuntu come with Java? |
| 18:00 |
sfan5 |
nah, I'm very busy (watching animes :P) |
| 18:00 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: no but you can install it from Synaptic |
| 18:00 |
* Jordach |
spray paints the VLC cone onto thexyz's computer case |
| 18:00 |
thexyz |
sfan5: what are you watching? |
| 18:00 |
Jordach |
porn |
| 18:00 |
Jordach |
</reflex> |
| 18:00 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: Makai Ouji - Devils and Realist |
| 18:00 |
thexyz |
Jordach: of course, that was just a recommendation |
| 18:01 |
Jordach |
haha - woah |
| 18:01 |
Jordach |
Quassel just froze |
| 18:01 |
Dan_D |
So, hows life people? |
| 18:02 |
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| 18:02 |
Dan_D |
Also,why are some name greyed out on the nickname area? |
| 18:02 |
Jordach |
wtf |
| 18:02 |
Jordach |
Dan_D, they're away |
| 18:02 |
Dan_D |
Ah |
| 18:02 |
Jordach |
now look at my nick |
| 18:02 |
khonkhortisan |
/away |
| 18:02 |
Dan_D |
How do I make myself come back? |
| 18:03 |
khonkhortisan |
/back |
| 18:03 |
thexyz |
sfan5: is it good? |
| 18:03 |
khonkhortisan |
also, /away <reason> |
| 18:03 |
sfan5 |
only watched the fitst couple episodes, but: yes, it seems to be good |
| 18:03 |
sfan5 |
first* |
| 18:03 |
Dan_D |
Come on wine... |
| 18:04 |
Dan_D |
Just saying, for some reason Wine doesn't run programs as well as Windows |
| 18:04 |
Dan_D |
Even though people say it's better |
| 18:06 |
Dan_D |
How do I find my Windows files? Only D:\ appears, not C:\ |
| 18:06 |
us{0gb |
Wine runs some applications better and others worse. |
| 18:07 |
us{0gb |
No C:? THat's odd ... |
| 18:07 |
thexyz |
why do you need wine? |
| 18:07 |
Dan_D |
To run Windowsprograms |
| 18:08 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: windows files will show up as something like "8GB filesystem" or similar in your file manager |
| 18:08 |
VanessaE |
whatever the size of the partition is |
| 18:08 |
VanessaE |
WINE is not meant for running stuff from your windows partitions |
| 18:08 |
Dan_D |
Yeah, there is 139Gb partition that is D:\, but no 89Gb, which is C:\ |
| 18:09 |
VanessaE |
the idea is that you copy your programs from there TO the linux side and run them locally, but there's a lot WINE can't do. you will have to continue to dual-boot. |
| 18:09 |
VanessaE |
eventually when you've got just linux running on bare hardware, you can use a virtual machine |
| 18:10 |
Dan_D |
Yes, but I want wine to run Windowsprograms, I just can't find them to copy them across |
| 18:10 |
VanessaE |
the windows filesystem may be mounted differently i.e. maybe it's a folder under /media or so |
| 18:10 |
Dan_D |
Also, is there a sudo command for notepad++? |
| 18:10 |
VanessaE |
remember, you're running linux on top of a windows filesystem. |
| 18:10 |
VanessaE |
you don't need sudo to run a notepad. |
| 18:11 |
VanessaE |
use leafpad. |
| 18:11 |
Dan_D |
It was 89Gb for Kubuntu,Ubuntu, and Lubuntu |
| 18:11 |
thexyz |
Dan_D: no, no, what programs do you need to run? |
| 18:11 |
Dan_D |
And I want Notepad++, I am used to it |
| 18:11 |
VanessaE |
(or mousepad... it's in your menu under accessories.) |
| 18:11 |
thexyz |
I'm sure there are better alternatives |
| 18:11 |
Dan_D |
No, Notepad++ absolutely rules the Multiverses! |
| 18:12 |
Dan_D |
Unless there is not Linux Version |
| 18:12 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: then download it from its website and install it using WINE |
| 18:12 |
Dan_D |
I already have it on windows |
| 18:12 |
Jordach |
it should run in WINE afaik |
| 18:12 |
VanessaE |
but you're better off using a native linux program instead |
| 18:12 |
thexyz |
this is really dumb |
| 18:12 |
Dan_D |
What is the best alternative? |
| 18:12 |
VanessaE |
I use gedit |
| 18:13 |
* Jordach |
does too, when on Mint |
| 18:13 |
Dan_D |
Well, wine has a Browse C:\ option. |
| 18:13 |
VanessaE |
geany seems popular too |
| 18:13 |
VanessaE |
that's C:/ on your linux partition - a fake directory for wine |
| 18:13 |
Jordach |
geany eats everything IIRC |
| 18:13 |
VanessaE |
it does not point to the real windows. |
| 18:13 |
proller |
Dan_D, geany |
| 18:13 |
thexyz |
you didn't tell us what do you need editor for |
| 18:13 |
Dan_D |
Leafpad is a 'Simple Text Editor' Can it do macros and such? |
| 18:14 |
VanessaE |
dunno, never used it |
| 18:14 |
Dan_D |
Is it a full blown coding software |
| 18:14 |
Dan_D |
Answer = Nope.avi |
| 18:14 |
Jordach |
Dan_D, then look no further |
| 18:14 |
Jordach |
Geany does that |
| 18:14 |
Dan_D |
Ok |
| 18:14 |
Jordach |
Geany is like N++ |
| 18:14 |
Jordach |
and it does have the tabs |
| 18:14 |
Dan_D |
Or I could just use Wine and Notepad++ |
| 18:15 |
kaeza |
inb4 vim |
| 18:15 |
VanessaE |
bite your tongue, kaeza |
| 18:15 |
Jordach |
Dan_D, http://www.geany.org/Documentation/Screenshots |
| 18:15 |
thexyz |
yeah, vim is good |
| 18:16 |
Dan_D |
A light and fast IDE Using GTK2 |
| 18:16 |
Dan_D |
Is this Geany? |
| 18:16 |
Jordach |
yes |
| 18:16 |
thexyz |
it's awesome and free so why not suggest it? |
| 18:16 |
FreeFull |
Leafpad is more like Notepad than like Notepad++ |
| 18:16 |
Dan_D |
I am installing geany now... |
| 18:16 |
FreeFull |
Although there is some functionality in Notepad that isn't in Leafpad, and vice versa |
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| 18:17 |
Dan_D |
Wow, wine cannot open C:\ drive |
| 18:17 |
FreeFull |
Leafpad doesn't have insert date, notepad doesn't have Auto Indent |
| 18:17 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: because Dan_D is only 14 and barely understands what he's doing right now? |
| 18:17 |
Dan_D |
That is f****** akward |
| 18:17 |
FreeFull |
Dan_D: Check your winecfg |
| 18:17 |
Dan_D |
Ok |
| 18:17 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: WINE can't access the real windows because the system doesn't know that partition exists. |
| 18:17 |
VanessaE |
FreeFull: his linux file managers can't see it. |
| 18:17 |
Dan_D |
It could on Kubuntu |
| 18:17 |
thexyz |
VanessaE: then he shouldn't be doing that |
| 18:18 |
kaeza |
VanessaE, you don't need to be 14 to not understand vim :P |
| 18:18 |
Dan_D |
What is this 'vim'? |
| 18:18 |
Jordach |
dont. |
| 18:18 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: forget it. |
| 18:18 |
Jordach |
you'll pull your own hair out |
| 18:18 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: can of worms. |
| 18:18 |
kaeza |
^ |
| 18:18 |
thexyz |
vim is the best text editor ever made |
| 18:18 |
Jordach |
bullshit |
| 18:18 |
Jordach |
that award goes to notepad |
| 18:18 |
thexyz |
on the other hand, emacs is the best text editor too (some people think that, at least) |
| 18:19 |
Jordach |
everyone has used it once |
| 18:19 |
kaeza |
vim is cat on steroids |
| 18:19 |
thexyz |
those who say "notepad" are incompetent fools |
| 18:19 |
* kaeza |
runs |
| 18:19 |
* Jordach |
has written a vim like app for windows |
| 18:19 |
Jordach |
runs in the dos console |
| 18:19 |
thexyz |
those who compare it with cat are incompetent even more |
| 18:19 |
sdzen |
and not a single person is talking about emacs. |
| 18:19 |
thexyz |
22:17 thexyz: on the other hand, emacs is the best text editor too (some people think that, at least) |
| 18:19 |
VanessaE |
what, no love for pico? :) |
| 18:20 |
VanessaE |
I cut my teeth on that one :P |
| 18:20 |
kaeza |
mp anyone? |
| 18:20 |
thexyz |
there are two editors for linux and both are "the best" |
| 18:20 |
sdzen |
did see that |
| 18:20 |
sdzen |
didnt* |
| 18:20 |
us{0gb |
As fare as command line text editors, I prefer pico over vim and emacs. |
| 18:20 |
VanessaE |
these days it's either nano or gedit, for me |
| 18:20 |
VanessaE |
depending on my mood and the thing being edited. |
| 18:20 |
thexyz |
I have no idea what pico is but vim is better for sure |
| 18:21 |
thexyz |
right, that's like nano? |
| 18:21 |
us{0gb |
Nano is pico. |
| 18:21 |
VanessaE |
similar |
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| 18:21 |
thexyz |
"the editor which can't undo" |
| 18:21 |
thexyz |
oh well |
| 18:21 |
thexyz |
some people call those editors |
| 18:21 |
us{0gb |
I do prefer Gedit. It has undo, pint-and-click, and syntax highlighting. |
| 18:22 |
thexyz |
no, wait, nano has EXPERIMENTAL UNDO FEATURE |
| 18:22 |
sdzen |
scite.. |
| 18:22 |
thexyz |
that's nice |
| 18:22 |
thexyz |
us{0gb: vim has those too |
| 18:23 |
us{0gb |
Vim and emacs are odd, you have to type a command before you can type? I mean, I guess it makes sense because it's non-graphical, but they aren't the editors for me. I like things being easy. |
| 18:23 |
VanessaE |
nano can undo? since when? |
| 18:23 |
thexyz |
no, you don't have to type a command |
| 18:23 |
thexyz |
I don't know about emacs, but vim has multiple modes |
| 18:24 |
thexyz |
I won't explain because you for sure can google |
| 18:24 |
kaeza |
._. |
| 18:24 |
us{0gb |
If vim has that feature, it's either newer than the vim I used, or it's some feature that wasn't easily visible. |
| 18:24 |
thexyz |
but to enter INSERT mode you just have to press I |
| 18:24 |
thexyz |
there are other keys, too |
| 18:24 |
thexyz |
but you can google |
| 18:24 |
kaeza |
I think he meant you need to type 'i' to start editing |
| 18:24 |
thexyz |
yes, and thanks to that there are no crazy ctrl+shift+alt+whatever shortcuts |
| 18:25 |
us{0gb |
Yeah. Hitting any key to start editing is what I mean, but I forgot which specific key you have to hit. |
| 18:26 |
us{0gb |
I understand these are powerful editors in the right hands, but my hands are not the right hands. |
| 18:27 |
thexyz |
did you try it? |
| 18:27 |
thexyz |
you don't need to enter hardcore mode and use hjkl when starting: use mouse, use arrows |
| 18:27 |
us{0gb |
Try what, vim and emacs? I tried vim, and I saw what I needed to about emacs. |
| 18:28 |
us{0gb |
Hmm. Vim entered this "hardcore" mode upon starting for me then. |
| 18:30 |
thexyz |
are you sure you were running vim? |
| 18:31 |
thexyz |
and not vi, for example |
| 18:31 |
us{0gb |
Hmm. It said it was vim and I opened it using the "vim" command in Terminal. |
| 18:32 |
thexyz |
sometimes it could be aliased to "vi" |
| 18:32 |
us{0gb |
It could be. The header says "VIM - Vi IMproved". |
| 18:32 |
ShadowNinja |
vim takes some time to get used to. And I still don't use hjkl. Although I usually find mouse=a anoying. |
| 18:33 |
thexyz |
then it's vim, are you sure you have correct settings? |
| 18:33 |
thexyz |
ShadowNinja: yes, but it could be easier for beginners |
| 18:33 |
us{0gb |
THis is from the start. I don't know how to alter vim's settings. |
| 18:33 |
us{0gb |
As I said, if the feature is there, it's no in an easy to find place. |
| 18:33 |
* us{0gb |
is no guru |
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thexyz |
maybe |
| 18:34 |
thexyz |
you just edit .vimrc |
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thexyz |
I think it may be a good idea to google for some basic .vimrc |
| 18:34 |
us{0gb |
See, knowing you need to edit a specific file is not an easy to find place. |
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| 18:35 |
FreeFull |
The most basic .vimrc is a blank one |
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us{0gb |
I'll do that when I have time. At the moment, I'm trying to fix my suspend issues. |
| 18:35 |
ShadowNinja |
My /etc/vimrc: http://ix.io/8g9 |
| 18:35 |
thexyz |
FreeFull: I didn't say "most basic" |
| 18:35 |
thexyz |
you at least need "set nocompatible" |
| 18:35 |
FreeFull |
us{0gb: Try running vimtutor |
| 18:36 |
thexyz |
> runtime! archlinux.vim |
| 18:36 |
Dan_D |
I am back |
| 18:36 |
us{0gb |
I'll do that when I have time. At the moment, I'm trying to fix my suspend issues. I know what I need to do to fix the problem, I just don't know how to go about doing that. |
| 18:36 |
FreeFull |
thexyz: Having a vimrc actually makes compatible off |
| 18:36 |
thexyz |
oh, that's interesting |
| 18:39 |
Dan_D |
Oohh, geany looks just like Np++ |
| 18:39 |
thexyz |
this is mine https://gist.github.com/xyzz/ceffbd63d3e11e1952d1 |
| 18:39 |
thexyz |
although I don't remember what some stuff does |
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| 18:40 |
zat |
Is it really necessary that landrush protected blocks must damage users trying to dig/grief in there? |
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| 18:46 |
ShadowNinja |
zat: Nope. But Brenaweb thought so. Some even think you should be banned for that. |
| 18:47 |
us{0gb |
I thought Land Rush was all about attacking people but only when they were online. |
| 18:47 |
zat |
All the new users are getting killed for hitting things nearby as they try to understand the interface. |
| 18:47 |
us{0gb |
Banning and damage seem bad for that. |
| 18:48 |
VanessaE |
well does the mod print a warning saying that the area is protected/ |
| 18:48 |
VanessaE |
? |
| 18:48 |
zat |
Not all players are english speakers. |
| 18:49 |
VanessaE |
so? they can learn a few phrases. |
| 18:49 |
VanessaE |
all servers have rules, do they not? |
| 18:49 |
zat |
I prefer being a little bit less pedantic and let the users figure it out when they see things respawn. |
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VanessaE |
and if they don't "figure it out"? |
| 18:54 |
VanessaE |
I mean, at what point do you need to just say "ok this guy is griefing, not learning"? |
| 18:54 |
Dan_D |
I have downloaded a tar.bz2 of a game, that is for linux, but what do I do to it to compile or whatever? |
| 18:54 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: terminal. tar jxvf filename.tar.bz2 |
| 18:54 |
VanessaE |
then cd into the folder it creates and check for build instructions |
| 18:54 |
Dan_D |
Thanks |
| 18:54 |
VanessaE |
e.g. a README or INSTALL file |
| 18:54 |
Dan_D |
Ok Dokay |
| 18:55 |
VanessaE |
usually you'll just need to sudo apt-get install build-essential; ./configure; make |
| 18:55 |
VanessaE |
the ./configure step will try to find all the libs a program needs. |
| 18:55 |
VanessaE |
when it comes back with an error, search Synaptic for the library it wants and install the "-dev" package that corresponds to it |
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| 18:55 |
VanessaE |
then repeat ./configure until you get no more errors. |
| 18:56 |
Dan_D |
'parently there is 'no such file or directory' |
| 18:57 |
VanessaE |
well just look around in the folder |
| 18:57 |
VanessaE |
check the website it came from also, there may be build instructions there |
| 18:57 |
Dan_D |
Ok |
| 18:58 |
Dan_D |
By the looks of things it is of an older version anyway, so off to Wine it is... |
| 19:03 |
us{0gb |
WHy do textures never look as good in-game as they do in GIMP? |
| 19:04 |
us{0gb |
My nodes look awful. |
| 19:04 |
VanessaE |
the game doesn't to proper scaling/antialiasing |
| 19:04 |
VanessaE |
I mean it's all nearest-neighbor instead of decent stuff like lanczos or even bicubic |
| 19:05 |
VanessaE |
so you see hard, pixelated edges on the imagery |
| 19:05 |
us{0gb |
Anti-aliasing ... Doesn't that have to do with causing blur? |
| 19:05 |
VanessaE |
not if it's done right |
| 19:05 |
khonkhortisan |
antialiasing in minetest causes edge bleed |
| 19:05 |
zat |
VanessaE: and what id they dont figure it out, what if they dont learn a few phrases, what if... -- IT IS JUST A DAMN GAME, period. |
| 19:05 |
PilzAdam |
I always think the opposite: textures look awful in gimp but pretty good in-game, with the high zoom factor and the tiling |
| 19:05 |
VanessaE |
antialiasing is supposed to just smooth the transitions between neighboring pixels |
| 19:05 |
Tiktalik |
if your textures look bad in-game |
| 19:05 |
Tiktalik |
then you need to make better textures |
| 19:05 |
Tiktalik |
you have to check for things like repetitiveness |
| 19:06 |
Tiktalik |
and figure out if you really want to be staring at that texture for a good while |
| 19:06 |
us{0gb |
PilzAdam, exactly my point. What looks good in GIMP looks bad in Minetest. What looks good in Minetest looks bad in GIMP. |
| 19:06 |
PilzAdam |
so, start drawing bad textures :-) |
| 19:06 |
VanessaE |
bbl, getting tired |
| 19:07 |
Tiktalik |
us{0gb: texturing is completely different than, say, spriting |
| 19:07 |
us{0gb |
I tried drawing worse. It didn't help. THare's also images that look bad in both Minetest and GIMP. |
| 19:07 |
us{0gb |
Tiktalik, apparently. I have no idea how to texture. |
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Tiktalik |
us{0gb: a good thing to do is create an image four times bigger than the texture you're making |
| 19:08 |
Tiktalik |
and then tile your texture in it |
| 19:09 |
Tiktalik |
if you've got unpleasant visual things that stand out, like odd lines in your grass |
| 19:09 |
Tiktalik |
you need to remove them |
| 19:10 |
us{0gb |
I have done that. I am careful to make sure things line up properly. But for example, my new mapgen_junglegrass doesn't tile, and it still looks bad in-game. And things that tile properly and look good in GIMP still don't look good in-game. |
| 19:11 |
thexyz |
http://wiki.minetest.net/RPG_mode |
| 19:12 |
us{0gb |
Hmm. I don't know about Skyrim or Ender Dragons, but dragons do sound fun. |
| 19:12 |
thexyz |
surprisingly enough, the wiki is rather active (there's one guy making a lot of changes) |
| 19:13 |
kaeza |
"23:04, 27 September 2013‎ Prestotron55" |
| 19:13 |
kaeza |
> Prestotron55 |
| 19:13 |
kaeza |
.-. |
| 19:14 |
us{0gb |
Oh, I've seen Prestotron55 around IRC lately as well. |
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PilzAdam |
"Dragon 23% done" – "Ok lets do the dragon in 100 lines, we have already 23 done!!!111!" |
| 19:15 |
Dan_D |
Seriously VanessaE, that pyramids_mummy.x is stopping me from joinging the server. |
| 19:15 |
kaeza |
there was a guy, I don't recall if it was on the forums or here, that was asking which one was the "official" wiki, becayse he wanted to contribute |
| 19:15 |
kaeza |
-y+u |
| 19:16 |
PilzAdam |
kaeza, it was "Wuzzy" on the forums |
| 19:16 |
* us{0gb |
considers adding a dirt_with_junglegrass node to his game to make his junglegrass node match it better while still being able to use the more exotic color on mapgen_junglegrass |
| 19:16 |
zat |
PilzAdam: what about features implemented? |
| 19:16 |
thexyz |
it should be stated at the main page of wiki.minetest.com that wiki was moved |
| 19:16 |
Dan_D |
Also VanessaE, what was the server'sirc channel called? |
| 19:16 |
kaeza |
PilzAdam, ah, yes |
| 19:17 |
PilzAdam |
http://wiki.minetest.net/File:Air.png lol |
| 19:17 |
kaeza |
such gimp skills |
| 19:18 |
us{0gb |
Oh, right. dirt_with_junglegrass still wouldn't spawn in jungles. My plans are once again foiled. |
| 19:24 |
kaeza |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=112294#p112294 |
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jojoa1997 |
Hi |
| 19:25 |
kaeza |
you gotta hate that "Hide extension for known file types" thing of Windows |
| 19:25 |
kaeza |
hi jojo |
| 19:27 |
us{0gb |
Hello! |
| 19:27 |
NekoGloop |
kaeza, That's why it |
| 19:27 |
NekoGloop |
's turned off |
| 19:27 |
NekoGloop |
goddamn this keyboard |
| 19:27 |
Wuzzy |
Why did you mention my name? |
| 19:28 |
PilzAdam |
Wuzzy, are you from the Minetest forums? |
| 19:28 |
Wuzzy |
Yes. |
| 19:28 |
PilzAdam |
we talked about your wiki contributions |
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jojoa1997 |
Wuzzy what did you add to the wiki |
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| 19:35 |
Jordach |
this is awesome: http://justgetflux.com/ |
| 19:35 |
Jordach |
in fact; my monitor likes displaying bright blue |
| 19:35 |
Jordach |
everything's got a yellow-y tint |
| 19:38 |
PilzAdam |
reminds me to redshift, which makes your screen red-ish since its easier for your eyes |
| 19:38 |
Jordach |
but it doesnt feel like staring into a giant light bulb anyone |
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Wuzzy |
jojoa1997: I only added Air, Dye, Flower, Cotton Seed, Wheat Seed, Category:Stone, Groups, Screwdriver, Minetest.conf (just copied), Category:Sand, Category:Passable, Template:Group Data, Vanilla Minetest game, Time of Day, Controls/Movement modes, Repairing, Controls (copied and edited), Map Generator Evolution (copied), most files seen at Biomes, a shitload of fixes for crafting recipes, redesign of It |
| 19:39 |
Wuzzy |
ems and a shitload of smaller things. See full list at <http://wiki.minetest.net/Special:Contributions/Wuzzy> |
| 19:40 |
Wuzzy |
Oh, and a complete rework of the Crafting page. |
| 19:41 |
us{0gb |
Nice! Minetest wiki users everywhere thank you. |
| 19:41 |
Wuzzy |
I am now active on wiki.minetest.net, not on wiki.minetest.com anymore. I guess the article copying is done so far. |
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| 19:43 |
thexyz |
that is great |
| 19:43 |
thexyz |
so now we should get someone to set up a redirect |
| 19:44 |
thexyz |
Calinou: plz |
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| 19:45 |
thexyz |
since I don't remember nickname of the guy who hosts it the easiest option will be a javascript-based redirect |
| 19:46 |
Calinou |
why the highlight |
| 19:46 |
NekoGloop |
calinou pls |
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| 19:47 |
Peacock |
didn't you know? its Happy Calinou Highlight Day :P |
| 19:47 |
Jordach |
Calinou, hey hey Calinou |
| 19:47 |
NekoGloop |
HEY! LISTEN! |
| 19:48 |
Jordach |
HELLO! |
| 19:48 |
us{0gb |
WAKE UP! |
| 19:48 |
Jordach |
!op |
| 19:48 |
Peacock |
lose the caps, or lose your teeth :P |
| 19:48 |
Peacock |
*loose? |
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Topic for #minetest is now http://minetest.net | NEWS: Minetest 0.4.7 released; 0.4.8 will be released soonâ„¢ | RULES: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels | CORE DEVS: #minetest-dev | SERVERS: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC LOGS: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ | WIKI: http://wiki.minetest.net | Hourly Event: HIGHLIGHT Calinou. | Don't ask about asking questions. |
| 19:48 |
us{0gb |
Ha ha, the joke's on you. I have no teeth. |
| 19:48 |
* Calinou |
drinks atomic punch and walks near level 3 sentry |
| 19:49 |
* Jordach |
snipes Calinou |
| 19:50 |
Peacock |
atomic punch? i thought we only served that on Tchernobyl Tuesdays |
| 19:50 |
Jordach |
or Fukushima Fridays |
| 19:50 |
ShadowNinja |
~pingcalinou |
| 19:50 |
Jordach |
:> |
| 19:50 |
Peacock |
lol true |
| 19:50 |
ShadowBot |
Calinou Calinou Calinou Calinou Calinou Calinou Calinou Calinou Calinou |
| 19:51 |
Jordach |
hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha |
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| 19:51 |
Jordach |
!ping Calinou |
| 19:51 |
MinetestBot |
Calinou Calinou Calinou Calinou Calinou Calinou Calinou |
| 19:51 |
Peacock |
if they hold the olympics in Japan near Fukushima it will bring new meaning to the term "three legged race" :P |
| 19:51 |
Jordach |
it works |
| 19:52 |
thexyz |
Calinou: make wiki.minetest.com redirect to wiki.minetest.net |
| 19:52 |
Calinou |
not sure if I can |
| 19:52 |
Peacock |
use the force |
| 19:52 |
* Calinou |
uses the force on Peacock... |
| 19:52 |
Calinou |
[segfault] |
| 19:52 |
Jordach |
Calinou, O.O |
| 19:52 |
Peacock |
but dont shart yourself using the force :P |
| 19:52 |
us{0gb |
Minetest still doesn't have sound packs, right? |
| 19:53 |
Jordach |
using the force is needed when you've run out of lube... |
| 19:53 |
* Jordach |
runs |
| 19:53 |
Peacock |
heck people can hardly agree on non-terrible default sounds :P |
| 19:53 |
thexyz |
Calinou: you can edit javascript |
| 19:53 |
us{0gb |
I meant sound pack support. |
| 19:53 |
PilzAdam |
us{0gb, just make a mod that depends on default and has all the soundfiles |
| 19:53 |
Calinou |
how would I do that JS redirect? :P |
| 19:54 |
ShadowNinja |
Calinou: Just change the main page to <h1><a href="wiki.minetest.net">GO TO THE OFFICIAL WIKI</a><h1> |
| 19:54 |
Peacock |
well the lua menu should make it easy enough for anyone to write |
| 19:54 |
Calinou |
lol |
| 19:54 |
us{0gb |
I'm not asking how to implement it server side, I'm making my own stuff that doesn't depend on default, so that's not an issue. I am wondering if clients can override it. |
| 19:55 |
Peacock |
how would that work with ambience type mods? |
| 19:55 |
us{0gb |
I'm going to "steal" default's sounds though. I can't edit sounds. |
| 19:55 |
* us{0gb |
shutters at the thought of ambiance |
| 19:56 |
zat |
that href wont work ShadowNinja |
| 19:56 |
zat |
would append wiki.minetest.net to the path |
| 19:56 |
us{0gb |
Or ambient sounds, rather. |
| 19:56 |
Peacock |
its a good idea, but until we can stream sounds or whatever, several mb's of downloading music to join a server is a bit of a drag yes |
| 19:57 |
Krock |
Hello people, is it normal to play with 2 FPS with a 3 GHz PC? |
| 19:57 |
Peacock |
yes |
| 19:57 |
Peacock |
next |
| 19:57 |
us{0gb |
I meant I don't like the sounds playing while nothing is happening, not the download time. |
| 19:57 |
zat |
Krock: try setting a higher fps rate roflolol |
| 19:57 |
Peacock |
ah well me it's the download time |
| 19:57 |
Jordach |
Krock, what operating system are you using |
| 19:57 |
Krock |
lol the problem is, it won't go higher |
| 19:57 |
Peacock |
people timeout two or three times before being able to join |
| 19:57 |
Krock |
Windows XP, 2 GB RAM |
| 19:58 |
Jordach |
Krock, any graphics cards |
| 19:58 |
Krock |
yes, 64 MB |
| 19:58 |
Jordach |
theres the problem |
| 19:58 |
ShadowNinja |
zat: s/wiki/http:\/\/wiki/ |
| 19:58 |
Jordach |
64mb isnt enough for minetest |
| 19:58 |
Krock |
not? o.o |
| 19:58 |
Jordach |
you'll need at least 256mb+ |
| 19:58 |
Jordach |
or use the intergrated graphics of your motherboard |
| 19:58 |
zat |
ShadowNinja: correct kik |
| 19:58 |
Krock |
it's the integratd one |
| 19:58 |
Peacock |
Minetest runs on old hardware â„¢ |
| 19:58 |
Jordach |
(which is probably quicker) |
| 19:59 |
Peacock |
(probably time to drop that slogan :P) |
| 19:59 |
Krock |
okay thanks jordach, I'll see what i can so |
| 19:59 |
Krock |
*do |
| 19:59 |
Peacock |
not sodo, sudo |
| 20:00 |
Jordach |
Krock, i think you're using AGP, am i correct |
| 20:00 |
Peacock |
they still make AGP cards? |
| 20:00 |
Jordach |
Peacock, yes |
| 20:00 |
Krock |
I'm using an integrated card |
| 20:00 |
Jordach |
my card was manufacted just over two years ago |
| 20:00 |
Peacock |
i had an AGP TV-Tuner card in the late 90s |
| 20:00 |
Jordach |
Krock, AHA |
| 20:00 |
Jordach |
in the bios, you should be able to turn that setting upto 128mb, or at least 256mb |
| 20:01 |
Peacock |
well if it's integrated, isn't the memory shared? |
| 20:01 |
Krock |
and it illl not burn up or something? |
| 20:01 |
Peacock |
only on reentry |
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dafull97 |
Hey guys im back |
| 20:02 |
Calinou |
hi |
| 20:02 |
Jordach |
wait. |
| 20:02 |
Jordach |
i've seen that exact IP before |
| 20:03 |
* Jordach |
is getting suspicious |
| 20:04 |
Peacock |
good enuff for me |
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* Peacock |
fires fouton torpedos at dafull |
| 20:04 |
Jordach |
Peacock, they still make AGP cards, but they're for some reason, more expensive than the PCI-E type |
| 20:04 |
Peacock |
well yeah its kinda Mesozoic at this point |
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| 20:05 |
Peacock |
i haven't seen an AGP port on any of my towers in years |
| 20:05 |
Jordach |
heh |
| 20:05 |
Jordach |
without my card, i only get 20fps |
| 20:05 |
Jordach |
with it, i get 30-50 fps |
| 20:06 |
Peacock |
im getting 20 FPS right now but im running tons of other shit too |
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* Calinou |
never tried his IGP... |
| 20:06 |
Calinou |
HD 3000 |
| 20:07 |
Calinou |
not sure if I'd get 120-150 average FPS everything maxed out with it :> |
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| 20:08 |
Jordach |
Calinou, OpenSpades gets apparently 30fps with full settings |
| 20:08 |
Jordach |
Krock, any better |
| 20:08 |
Krock |
hmm |
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| 20:10 |
Jordach |
Krock, running any background apps |
| 20:10 |
Krock |
yes! it works much fater now :D thanks |
| 20:10 |
Krock |
*faster |
| 20:10 |
Jordach |
Krock, fps now |
| 20:10 |
Calinou |
looks like I have 60 |
| 20:10 |
Krock |
23 |
| 20:10 |
Jordach |
Krock, that's playable on a IGP |
| 20:10 |
Jordach |
i usually got that myself |
| 20:10 |
Jordach |
when i used to have a IGP |
| 20:11 |
Krock |
yes...our eye just needs something like 18 too see a movement |
| 20:11 |
Jordach |
24fps iirc |
| 20:11 |
dafull97 |
Getting Xubuntu =D |
| 20:11 |
Jordach |
Krock, i'm assuming you set the IGP memory to 128mb or 256mb |
| 20:12 |
Jordach |
(512mb is reccomended) |
| 20:12 |
Krock |
yes higher than 256 wasn't possible |
| 20:12 |
Jordach |
ah, but that should alleviate your issue |
| 20:12 |
Jordach |
minetest just happens to use about 25% of the ram needed to run MC |
| 20:13 |
Jordach |
Krock, (which on average is around 250mb) |
| 20:13 |
Krock |
oh |
| 20:13 |
Jordach |
Minecraft likes to give itself a 1gb, minetest doesnt. |
| 20:13 |
Krock |
I never played MC before so I have no idea what the requirements are :3 |
| 20:13 |
Peacock |
obvs since youre not running all that java bs on the side :p |
| 20:14 |
Jordach |
Krock, anyways, enjoy minetest to it's fullest extent |
| 20:14 |
Krock |
yes, thank again for helping me |
| 20:14 |
Peacock |
wow, wife just had that bug where you dig shit underwater and get water nodes too lol |
| 20:15 |
PilzAdam |
Peacock, that minetest version is rater old, isnt it? |
| 20:15 |
Peacock |
0.4.7 |
| 20:16 |
dafull97 |
PilzAdam, have you ever used Xubuntu? |
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PilzAdam |
Peacock, cant be, its fixed since 0.4.5 |
| 20:20 |
PilzAdam |
or do you use a different game than minetest_game? |
| 20:20 |
Peacock |
i guess not, just checked, wife's 0.4.7, im (server) 0.4.7, she dug bricks underwater and got water nodes |
| 20:20 |
Peacock |
what was the fix, lua code or engine? |
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| 20:21 |
PilzAdam |
there is no way you can get water nodes as drops |
| 20:21 |
PilzAdam |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commit/0beabfc7555860b0a1868532615f3d52d7ecceb4 |
| 20:21 |
PilzAdam |
your wife is a cheater :-p |
| 20:21 |
Peacock |
naw im just using a custom default |
| 20:21 |
Peacock |
so i have to add drops '' to all the water nodes |
| 20:22 |
PilzAdam |
and lava and other liquids |
| 20:22 |
Krock |
uhm I also was able to "dig" water and got them as drops, but when i rejoined it wasn't posible to do anymore |
| 20:22 |
Krock |
thaat was a bit weird but..okay |
| 20:22 |
Peacock |
but since when are liquids diggable? seems that's the real bug |
| 20:22 |
us{0gb |
How do I flip a texture backwards? I don't see the option in the API, but I've done it before. |
| 20:22 |
us{0gb |
In the API documentation, I mean. |
| 20:23 |
Peacock |
might be simpler to add a line in register_node (builtin) where it puts the '' drop for every liquid drawtype node |
| 20:24 |
us{0gb |
I'm using digable liquids, so it would be nice if that option wasn't removed. |
| 20:24 |
us{0gb |
I use buckets as tools that dig liquids. |
| 20:25 |
Peacock |
its an option or a bug? |
| 20:25 |
us{0gb |
It's an option. |
| 20:25 |
Peacock |
it make buckets pretty pointless if you can just dig liquids with any tool |
| 20:25 |
Jordach |
diggable liquids would be awesome |
| 20:26 |
Peacock |
weird option lol |
| 20:26 |
Jordach |
punch lava with fists; magically carry lava with bare hands |
| 20:26 |
us{0gb |
The error also happens in some other cases allowing you to dig nodes with the wrong tool. Liquids are not special that way. |
| 20:26 |
Peacock |
yeah because griefing isn't easy enough :P |
| 20:26 |
Peacock |
wonderful lol |
| 20:27 |
us{0gb |
Jordach, you need a bucket for that, but my buckets act like liquid-mining picks. |
| 20:27 |
us{0gb |
Sort of like how the axe is a cactus-mining pick. |
| 20:27 |
Peacock |
dunno, for me, liquids should be naturally occuring, if people want liquids they should dig canals or use those big wheel thingies to bring it up |
| 20:28 |
Peacock |
its pretty funny when you think of the fact that farming is pretty medieval, while anyone can dig a cubic meter of liquids with any tool |
| 20:28 |
us{0gb |
And if you want it that way, that's fine. Bu tdon't take away the option to allow other people to do other things by changing the node registration function to react to the drawtype. |
| 20:29 |
Peacock |
well its already changed in the default mod, so i'd assume no one else can dig liquids either |
| 20:29 |
us{0gb |
Right. So just don't change the registration function for new liquids. |
| 20:30 |
us{0gb |
The bug is in the nodes, not the function. |
| 20:30 |
Peacock |
dont worry, i gave up a long time ago trying to understand half the changes that are made :P i just override default and builtin and deal with it lol |
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anunakki |
hello |
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Dan_D |
Hi guys |
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hoodedice |
Jordach |
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hoodedice |
http://i.imgur.com/5I5R6dJ.png =P |
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Dan_D |
Does Alabeathira sound like a good name for a castleor city? |
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| 21:27 |
Peacock |
whats the difference between snow and snowblock? |
| 21:29 |
kaeza |
snow is the item, and the thin layer of snow on top of blocks |
| 21:29 |
kaeza |
the block is just that: a block made of snow |
| 21:30 |
kaeza |
compare to a steel ingot vs a steel block |
| 21:33 |
PilzAdam |
Peacock, /giveme default:snow and default:snowblock, place them both, compare |
| 21:33 |
Peacock |
thanks, trying to convert paragen to work with lvm, but im missing a few nodes |
| 21:36 |
FreeFull |
kaeza: Well, you can't place a layer of steel ingot onto blocks |
| 21:36 |
Peacock |
lol |
| 21:36 |
FreeFull |
I guess it'd be more like steel plate vs steel block |
| 21:36 |
Peacock |
i dont even get what these leveled nodeboxes are supposed to be lol |
| 21:36 |
kaeza |
FreeFull, but you can't craft steel blocks from steel plates :P |
| 21:36 |
Peacock |
seems overly complicated |
| 21:37 |
kaeza |
anyway, what is a steel plate? O_o |
| 21:37 |
FreeFull |
A hypothetical item |
| 21:38 |
ShadowNinja |
steel quarter-slab. |
| 21:39 |
PilzAdam |
Peacock, the API for all the weather / finite-liquid things are fucked up |
| 21:40 |
Peacock |
weather/finite liquid/leveled nodeboxes, and we still only got one colour of light and weird shadows :P |
| 21:40 |
Peacock |
thats life |
| 21:41 |
ShadowNinja |
So when are client-side mods scheduled for? |
| 21:41 |
Peacock |
anyways eventually i have to update my default and go over it again, i was just hoping it wouldn't be soon |
| 21:41 |
PilzAdam |
ShadowNinja, in the future |
| 21:42 |
ShadowNinja |
PilzAdam: Oh, I thought it was scheduled for the past. </sarcasm> |
| 21:42 |
kaeza |
"the future" == "in the next few trillion years" |
| 21:42 |
kaeza |
"if not, remind us again" |
| 21:43 |
Peacock |
and 3 DB backends if im not mistaken :P |
| 21:45 |
PilzAdam |
I guess dummy cant be counted as real backedn |
| 21:46 |
Peacock |
that brings it up to 4 :P |
| 21:46 |
Peacock |
(wasnt aware) |
| 21:46 |
PilzAdam |
hm? leveldb, sqlite and dummy |
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| 21:46 |
Peacock |
i heard rumours of sophia too |
| 21:46 |
PilzAdam |
thats just sfan5 going crazy |
| 21:47 |
PilzAdam |
and AFAIK he waits for libmtmap |
| 21:48 |
Peacock |
so many DBs, and one ring to rule them all |
| 21:49 |
PilzAdam |
dummy just rules all in terms of speed and code length |
| 21:49 |
ShadowNinja |
PilzAdam: No, sophia is far faster than LevelDB. And it shouldn't be hard to add support for it. |
| 21:49 |
sfan5 |
PilzAdam: going crazy? hm? |
| 21:49 |
PilzAdam |
"moar dbs, moar!!!" :-p |
| 21:49 |
sfan5 |
ShadowNinja: I got a (theoretically) working branch with sophia support, but somehow the internal crc's of sophia get corrupted and it fails to load the database |
| 21:50 |
Peacock |
i wonder why paramat duplicated nodes like cloud and stone :/ |
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Jordach |
Peacock, so the engine doesnt make caves |
| 21:51 |
Peacock |
thats easy, disable caves in map_meta |
| 21:51 |
Peacock |
why the cavegen runs anywhere but underground is beyond me lol |
| 21:51 |
Peacock |
oh no i started a war :( lol |
| 21:52 |
* Peacock |
launches ICBMs at all the DBs |
| 21:53 |
Peacock |
well hopefully when 0.5.0 comes around there'll be 1 standard db (the fastest/bestest) |
| 21:57 |
ShadowNinja |
sfan5: How is Windows support for Sophia? |
| 21:58 |
sfan5 |
ShadowNinja: I don't see why it shouldn't work; I didn't test it however |
| 21:58 |
ShadowNinja |
Does anyone else agree with me that Minetest's major-minor-patch version system is more like huge-major-minor? |
| 21:58 |
sfan5 |
yes |
| 21:58 |
kahrl |
more like 0-major-minor |
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Dan_D |
Hello? |
| 21:59 |
ShadowNinja |
^ I feel like it is goind to take us 10 years to get to 1.0.0. |
| 21:59 |
ShadowNinja |
If Minetest is even actively developed in ten years. |
| 22:00 |
ShadowNinja |
IMO the next release is worthy of the 0.5.0 mark because of LevelDB, which has been the most wanted feature for years. |
| 22:01 |
ShadowNinja |
At least for server owners. |
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Peacock |
i wouldn't call it 0.5.0 without throwing in a few major API things (at least as great as nodeboxes were to pre-nodebox mt) |
| 22:06 |
kahrl |
voxelmanip? |
| 22:06 |
ShadowNinja |
Peacock: Like node models? The idea is that we shouldn't need a dozen MAJOR features to bump the MINOR version number. |
| 22:06 |
PilzAdam |
ShadowNinja, no, we already have some plans for 0.5.0 |
| 22:06 |
ShadowNinja |
^That is pretty big, it makes Lua mapgen practical. |
| 22:06 |
PilzAdam |
such as BKVL |
| 22:06 |
kahrl |
PilzAdam, indeed |
| 22:07 |
Peacock |
well voxelmanip has been with us since 0.4.7, so it wouldn't really count for 0.5.0 anymore (if you wanted to do that, shoulda bumped it to 0.5.0 when it came out) |
| 22:07 |
ShadowNinja |
Meh, but maybe we should bump the versions a little faster, and we should certainly release faster. |
| 22:07 |
kahrl |
perhaps we should start working towards 0.5.0 after releasing 0.4.8 |
| 22:08 |
PilzAdam |
the second digit basically means incompatibilty |
| 22:08 |
ShadowNinja |
Peacock: No, the VM isn't in 0.4.7. |
| 22:08 |
Peacock |
it isn't? pretty sure my version says 0.4.7 ( a git) and it is in there |
| 22:08 |
ShadowNinja |
0.4.7-git does have it, but not 0.4.7-stable. |
| 22:09 |
ShadowNinja |
PilzAdam: Normally the first digit means that, eg python2->3. |
| 22:09 |
PilzAdam |
I know |
| 22:09 |
kahrl |
with #936 git versions will no longer show the same version number as stable ones |
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Peacock |
F5 used to show the precise version (git), dunno why that was taken out |
| 22:10 |
kahrl |
when was that? |
| 22:10 |
kahrl |
I don't remember it |
| 22:10 |
Peacock |
back when i ran arch so, about six months ago |
| 22:11 |
Peacock |
version string said minetest-git(MDY) |
| 22:11 |
ShadowNinja |
kahrl: BTW, a nota about that. I don't think the tag should be shown if you are not on that exact commit. eg no 0.4.7-MSVC-303 |
| 22:11 |
Peacock |
now it just says 0.4.7 |
| 22:11 |
kahrl |
PilzAdam: did you install it via arch? |
| 22:11 |
ShadowNinja |
note* |
| 22:11 |
kahrl |
Peacock: * |
| 22:12 |
PilzAdam |
kahrl, no, its rather unusual to install things with arch in Kubuntu ;-) |
| 22:12 |
kahrl |
heh |
| 22:12 |
Peacock |
what PA said lol |
| 22:13 |
Peacock |
now i compile rather than use packer |
| 22:14 |
kahrl |
ShadowNinja: I think it should be shown, it makes it possible to see the base stable version without having to look up the commit in git log |
| 22:14 |
Peacock |
dunno, for a major version, maybe something like making the mapgen into an object you can define/register more than once, in essence, being able to register realms like the default mapgen, stuff like that |
| 22:16 |
ShadowNinja |
MGv7 Lua-definable biomes? |
| 22:17 |
Peacock |
lua definable biomes yeah, that would be cool |
| 22:17 |
Peacock |
but being able to use the mapgen itself to define realms, that would be cool too |
| 22:18 |
Peacock |
(youd need params to define the ystart and yend tho |
| 22:18 |
* Jordach |
slowly feels worse |
| 22:18 |
kahrl |
oh by the way the arch daily on http://minetest.net/download is broken |
| 22:18 |
kahrl |
the link, I mean |
| 22:18 |
Peacock |
the ability to configure different skies for different realms, would add more to otherworldly realms |
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* Jordach |
pokes VanessaE |
| 22:19 |
* Peacock |
doesnt use arch anymore (not my problem lol) |
| 22:20 |
Peacock |
heck, even being able to have multiple stars/moons or none at all would help differentiate servers |
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* Peacock |
is testing lvm-paragen |
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Peacock |
well, lvm paragen works, but i shouldn;t have used the latest version of paragen lol |
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Peacock |
http://s23.postimg.org/nhpl78ni3/screenshot_1637564865.png |
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Jordach |
sfan5's and nore's mapgen doesnt glitch out |
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Peacock |
theyre using 0.1 paragen i take it? |
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Jordach |
they built they're own |
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Peacock |
that wasnt what nore said |
| 23:08 |
Jordach |
hmm |
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Dark_Soul |
VanessaE are you there? |
| 23:10 |
Peacock |
damnit, wheres the thread with that mapgen and town that sfan and others built? |
| 23:11 |
Peacock |
found it |
| 23:11 |
Peacock |
ok so i dont think its exactly the same code according to this: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=111431#p111431 |
| 23:12 |
Peacock |
though paramats' paragen 0.2.0 has a shitton more biomes than the default mapgen, so i lvm'ed that |
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Peacock |
i just hope he can fix the horizontal splits, since i dont have a clue lol |
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Jordach |
Dark_Soul, i might be of assistance |
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Jordach |
what's the problem |
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* Jordach |
may hav IBS |
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Jordach |
have* |
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paramat |
Peacock, i don't get horizontal splits in non-lvm paragen 0.2.0, are they every chunk? (80 nodes) |
| 23:20 |
Peacock |
i moved a wide distance horizontally, and it seems to be there everywhere :/ |
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Peacock |
i may have fucked up somewhere |
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Jordach |
paramat, Peacock needs a LVM version |
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Jordach |
hey paramat |
| 23:21 |
Peacock |
(i updated the pastebin, i had the wrong heights set- for my own map) |
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paramat |
yeah i'll write the lvm version soon, hi J |
| 23:23 |
Peacock |
allright, fixed all my heights, trying again |
| 23:23 |
Jordach |
hmm, i've been so pressurized by college that i've gotten irritable bowels; great way for a weekend to go |
| 23:23 |
* Jordach |
still feels like shit |
| 23:24 |
Peacock |
not necessary to share with everyone :P you wouldn't want to know what happens after i eat thai food :P |
| 23:24 |
Peacock |
suffice it to say, the battle of Klach D'Kel Brakt pales in comparison |
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paramat |
ah just found your pastebin of paragen lvm :) |
| 23:24 |
Peacock |
the updated one? |
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Jordach |
Peacock, i can usually hold my weight on a lethal curry |
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Peacock |
http://pastebin.com/WY6j60Fs |
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Jordach |
the only thing that burns is my mouth |
| 23:25 |
Peacock |
though asian food is no good if it doesnt burn both ways |
| 23:25 |
* Jordach |
is considering testing Neuromancer's Immersion |
| 23:25 |
Jordach |
let's see how this P4 handles |
| 23:27 |
Jordach |
\o/ it loads |
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paramat |
yeah the updated one i think, i'll reload it |
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Exio4 |
hi paramat |
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Peacock |
hm, i think i fixed the horizontal splits |
| 23:28 |
Exio4 |
how is the mapgen going! |
| 23:28 |
paramat |
hi Exio4 ... it's epic |
| 23:28 |
Peacock |
i had changed ymin and ymax without adjusting the other height levels (like waty and sandy) |
| 23:29 |
Peacock |
so the pastebin i sent you should actually work fine :P |
| 23:30 |
paramat |
ah excellent |
| 23:31 |
paramat |
hm i could make the parameters all relative to ymin to avoid that mistake |
| 23:31 |
Peacock |
well at least it was my mistake :P i changed the height in case i wanted to add more realms in the future, and set it to 25-27K |
| 23:32 |
paramat |
generation time per chunk? |
| 23:32 |
Peacock |
faster than the mainstream 0.2.0, but still a bit slow |
| 23:33 |
Peacock |
i just watch the terminal output and notice it print paragen 1..2...3 much faster |
| 23:35 |
Exio4 |
you should use the fast-mass perlin noise functions |
| 23:35 |
Exio4 |
and cache the node ids outside the on_mapgen |
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Peacock |
one thing i noticed in moonrealm lvm, you get the content id's within ongen, which means theyre called everytime ongen is called right? what if it were defined outside ongen, then it would be only once? |
| 23:36 |
Peacock |
there, exio just said it lol coulda saved me the trouble :P |
| 23:36 |
Exio4 |
yes, it would work, and would be pretty nice to do it, and if you use luajit it would be amazingly fast |
| 23:37 |
Exio4 |
using number indexs could make it be pretty fast too |
| 23:37 |
Peacock |
i do use luajit, so some timesaving would still be good |
| 23:38 |
Exio4 |
local env = minetest.env |
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Exio4 |
local perlin3 = env:get_perlin(perl3.SEED3, perl3.OCTA3, perl3.PERS3, perl3.SCAL3) |
| 23:38 |
Exio4 |
wut |
| 23:38 |
Exio4 |
minetest.env? nah |
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paramat |
Peacock, insert 'local vi = a:index(x, y, z)' at line 492, otherwise no clouds |
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Peacock |
good timing, i just got a segfault for clouds lol |
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paramat |
lol |
| 23:39 |
Peacock |
right under: if y0 == cloudyq then -- CLouds ? |
| 23:39 |
paramat |
yeah i will need to learn to use the new perlin stuff |
| 23:40 |
paramat |
oh um line 492 in the pastebin |
| 23:40 |
Peacock |
ideally maybe just have a single YLEVEL variable, and derive ymin,ymax,waty, sandy from that |
| 23:41 |
Peacock |
under: if env:get_node({x=x,y=CLOUDY,z=z}).name == "air" then ? |
| 23:41 |
paramat |
yes, everything relative to the average surface level, good idea |
| 23:42 |
paramat |
above that |
| 23:42 |
paramat |
under 'local z = z0 + k + b' |
| 23:43 |
Peacock |
perfect thanks |
| 23:44 |
Peacock |
my line numbers dont add up since i have to define a few extra nodes my custom default doesn't have |
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paramat |
Exio4, thanks good advice. |
| 23:44 |
Exio4 |
Peacock: you should use voxelmanip for reading nodes 'names' too |
| 23:44 |
Exio4 |
paramat: what advice? :P |
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Peacock |
*add up = line up |
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Peacock |
exio4 im just splicing the same method used for moonrealm-lvm :P paramat knows more what im doing than i know what im doing lol |
| 23:45 |
Exio4 |
k |
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Exio4 |
thought you coded that part |
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Peacock |
naw i stared at moonrealm and paragen for an hour and just spliced things together |
| 23:46 |
Peacock |
thank god for 24" screens |
| 23:46 |
* Exio4 |
only has a 21.5" screen |
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PilzAdam |
23 here |
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Peacock |
still wide enough to compare two files side-by-side |
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paramat |
Exio4, your advice at 00:35 :) |
| 23:48 |
Peacock |
past midnight in the UK? still 19h here lol |
| 23:48 |
Peacock |
therefore, happy-hour is ongoing lol |
| 23:48 |
Exio4 |
[20:35:08] <Exio4> you should use the fast-mass perlin noise functions |
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Exio4 |
i see |
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paramat |
I heard that new perlin function seed is absolute not seeddiff, how would i make the seed world dependant? |
| 23:49 |
PilzAdam |
paramat, I havent heard about that |
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paramat |
lol my mistake |
| 23:50 |
Peacock |
well if my lvm-convert works, than a few tweaks for speed is all that's missing |
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paramat |
(^ plol) |
| 23:50 |
Peacock |
*then |
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Mossmanikin |
Hi folks |
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paramat |
how about lvm trees? |
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PilzAdam |
use schematics for trees |
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Peacock |
youd need to schematizes them |
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paramat |
okay |
| 23:52 |
Peacock |
(i know the spellings wrong lol) |
| 23:53 |
paramat |
your word's more funky |
| 23:53 |
Peacock |
hm another segfault with the thing you told me to add |
| 23:53 |
Peacock |
paragen/init.lua:527: attempt to index local 'a' (a number value) |
| 23:53 |
Peacock |
for you line 492 |
| 23:54 |
Peacock |
i guess i have to reinit a |
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paramat |
oh there's another 'a' variable! |
| 23:55 |
Peacock |
so what should i do? |
| 23:55 |
Peacock |
ah shit youre right |
| 23:55 |
Peacock |
for a, for b |
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paramat |
best to use 'local vi = area:index(x, y, z)' |
| 23:56 |
Peacock |
and change all the a's to area i guess |
| 23:57 |
paramat |
yes but only in the lvm stuff |
| 23:59 |
Peacock |
builtin/voxelarea.lua:35: attempt to perform arithmetic on local 'y' (a nil value) |
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paramat |
oh yes that bug |
