IRC log for #minetest, 2013-09-28

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Time	Nick	Message
00:00	Peacock	i figure its not defined in the
00:00	Peacock	if y0 == cloudyq then -- CLouds
00:00	Peacock	block
00:00	paramat	correct
00:00	paramat	set y to CLOUDY
00:01	* Peacock	expects kick
00:01	Peacock	like this?
00:01	Peacock	local x = x0 + i + a
00:01	Peacock	local z = z0 + k + b
00:01	Peacock	local y = CLOUDY
00:01		Peacock was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
00:01	paramat	:)
00:01	Exio4	lol..
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00:02	paramat	for only 3 lines?
00:02	paramat	4
00:02	Peacock	hehe, i told you i saw it coming :P
00:02	paramat	oh just saw that line :)
00:03	Peacock	didn't see much of a point in pastebinning 3 lines of code lol
00:05	Peacock	what was the purpose of xmin/max, zmin/max? i removed them from my pastebin for a full plane
00:06	paramat	so you can limit the realm horizontally if you want
00:07	Peacock	ok so my removing it doesnt fuck anything up, thats good lol
00:07	paramat	yeah
00:08	Peacock	i figured with my water world, if Earth has flooded, humanity would have escape to a habitable world (fantasy i know lol)
00:09	Peacock	not sure if to make the "other world" entirely freebuild or keep the same rules as the level below
00:11	PilzAdam	Peacock, flooding on purpose can get you banned...
00:11	Peacock	i wasnt flooding on purpose, i simply posted 3 lines of code
00:11	PilzAdam	* Peacock expects kick
00:12	paramat	moorealm was particularly unsuitable for a server due to the potential atmosphere abm meltdown
00:12	PilzAdam	you can simply s/\n/;/
00:14	Peacock	it is abit comical that i get kicked for posting 3 lines of code, but some people get away with asking the same question a dozen times
00:14	Peacock	but if you really want to ban me, go ahead, theres no shortage of bright minds here :P (sarcasm)
00:14	Peacock	what is  s/\n/;/    ?
00:15	Exio4	replace newlines with ;
00:15	Exio4	hi
00:15	PilzAdam	use ; instead of newlines
00:15	Exio4	b
00:15	Exio4	hi;b
00:15	PilzAdam	its also valid Lua, btw
00:15	Peacock	meh, methink the bot should differentiate between people posting many lines, and people posting many lines of the same thing
00:16	PilzAdam	its dissalowed to post 3 lines of code
00:16	kaeza	it does
00:16	PilzAdam	use a pastebin
00:16	Peacock	for 3 lines?
00:16	PilzAdam	yes
00:16	Peacock	you got more free time than i do
00:16	PilzAdam	IRC is not meant to post code
00:17	Peacock	were talking about MT related shit, you'd rather nothing was going on here?
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00:18	harrison	mr Peacock, are you free?
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00:19	Peacock	I'm freeeeeee
00:19	Peacock	btw, only surviving cast member, is Mr Rumbold lol
00:19	Peacock	they all dropped like flies in the last decade :/
00:19	harrison	? not the blonde girl?
00:19	Peacock	Brahms? she went years ago
00:20	Peacock	breast cancer i believe
00:20	harrison	how about allo allo?
00:20	harrison	now that was funny
00:20	Peacock	Peacock and Rumbold were the only two left, i only learned recently Peacock passed away
00:20	paramat	i watched the original series as a child in the late 70's
00:20	Peacock	it played in Canada on YTV when i was a kid :P
00:20	Peacock	but usually around midnight
00:21	harrison	never saw allo allo?
00:21	harrison	from the same writers i think
00:21	Peacock	it was 12:00 Are You Being Served?, 12:30 Keeping Up Appearances, 1:00 Yes Minister/Yes Prime Minister
00:21	harrison	terrible accents in occupation france
00:21	Peacock	allo allo never grew on me
00:21	Peacock	i liked Waiting For God and To The Manor Born tho
00:22	harrison	what was the show with felicity kendall ? she and her husband were like hippies trying to garden
00:22	harrison	i watched that
00:23	harrison	The Leith police dismisseth us ␊They thought we sought to stay; ␊The Leith police dismisseth us ␊They thought we'd stay all day. ␊The Leith police dismisseth us, ␊We both sighed sighs apiece; ␊And the sighs that we sighed as we said goodbye ␊Were the size of the Leith police.
00:23	Peacock	The Good Family i think
00:23	harrison	Good something
00:23	harrison	not family i think
00:24	paramat	The Good Life
00:24	harrison	sounds right
00:24	harrison	she was hot
00:24	harrison	i was 13 or so
00:24	harrison	so my standards were not restrictive
00:24	Peacock	Yeah it had Paul Eddington and Penelope Keith (they were more interesting than the stars lol)
00:26	PilzAdam	bye
00:28	Peacock	sweet, no more bs for working on stuff lol
00:29	Peacock	paramat i wasn't sure why moonrealm was slow on my server, but when more than 1 person explored it locked the whole thing up
00:33	paramat	:) 4 line kick is a little harsh
00:33	Peacock	it was 3 :P
00:33	Peacock	the line i posted above was seperate
00:34	paramat	ah
00:34	Peacock	but if you post a piece of code with 2-3 newlines, irc splits them up
00:34	Peacock	but im not about to start reformatting all my code with ; to please IRC lol
00:34	paramat	moonrealm had atmosphere nodes, so every chunk had 80^3 'add nodes'
00:34	Peacock	well i had disabled atmosphere
00:34	Peacock	but the version i ran on my server wasn't LVM
00:35	paramat	thats why
00:35	harrison	Peacock: i invite you to #spasim
00:36	Peacock	paragen looks cool though since its got more of a height differential
00:36	harrison	code fragments and (nonobscene, nonpolitical) ascii art are always welcome there
00:36	Peacock	and that layering effect that's more realistic
00:36	Peacock	harrison i know too much about politics to be nonpolitical :P
00:37	harrison	not YOU, the ascii art
00:37	harrison	and that is for my own protection
00:37	harrison	i made that rule so that i would remember not to say anything political there
00:37	Peacock	besides, when it comes to politics, i always use satirical obscene statements to get my point across lol
00:38	harrison	fine, fine
00:38	harrison	i approve
00:38	harrison	not in that particular channel is all
00:38	harrison	cmon you will class up the joint
00:39	Peacock	example, right now they're talking about assisted suicide in my country, which they call "dying with dignity" which i'm against, so i suggested they do the same thing to the crippled and retarded so they can die with dignity too :P
00:39	Peacock	which makes the whole thing look like T4
00:40	Peacock	citation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_T4)
00:44	Mossmanikin	Guess this was too political? :D
00:45	harrison	i like your snarky attitude Peacock it is a shame you have declined by invitation (so it seems)
00:46	harrison	by/my
00:46	Peacock	tbh i cant remember channels, ive been invited to a ton, but i barely use IRC, except for minetest
00:46	Peacock	honestly before minetest i thought IRC was dead :P
00:47	Peacock	but opensource being what it is, being 10 years behind the times is totally normal lol
00:47	harrison	i thought you might be a coder
00:47	harrison	The taking of thousands of brains from euthanasia victims demonstrated the way research was connected to the medical killings.
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00:47	Peacock	i am, php, perl, lua, (and the less programmerish html, css, javascript)
00:48	Peacock	harrison well hell, they used to experiment on orphans in my province in the 50s and 60's,
00:48	Peacock	what i dont trust about assisted suicide, is the power of the doctors
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00:49	harrison	so no statically compiled language
00:49	dafull97	hey Guys
00:49	Mossmanikin	hi
00:49	harrison	i suppose you have ideas about toy world renderers (sl, minecraft, minetest, that sort of thing)
00:49	Peacock	naw i was never much good at C/Java type languages, thought that might have something to do with there being less interesting things to code with it
00:50	paramat	Peacock, paragen is my flagship hardcore mapgen written for vmanip. You can make the realm or terrain height (VSCALE) as big as you want, moonrealm was limited to 2 chunk depth 160m
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00:51	harrison	for a realtime raytracer, one must have speed
00:51	Peacock	paramat well thats what i want to use for alien worlds (paragen) though i need to speed it up somewhat for the case where several users are exploring (loading terrain)
00:52	Peacock	harrison ive never found OS coding very much interesting, websites and game mods are something else
00:53	harrison	raytracing == OS coding (???)
00:54	Peacock	naw totally different things, but when you talk about C, its mostly shit like that (OS, engines, etc.)
00:54	* harrison	is protected from criticism by a thick pupa
00:54	Peacock	and c++ is so fucking complicated its no fun lol
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00:54	* harrison	emerges from the pupa, crawls up a stalk, and dries its wings
00:56	harrison	i believe you. i suppose c++ is not any fun. i have always avoided it
00:56	Peacock	ive read more than a few books on the subject, and it kills my enthusiasm every time lol
00:56	* harrison	tires of being an insect and goes back to being a cuttlefish
00:56	Peacock	like, wtf am i gonna code, device drivers? lol
00:57	harrison	and you call yourself a universal polymath
00:57	Peacock	i have an interest in many things, just not c/c++ lol
00:58	* harrison	suddenly jets away in a cloud of ink
01:01	paramat	okay the treegen functions are called from within the ongen function so they should be converted to LVM, that will speed things up
01:02	Peacock	polymaths are awesome btw, so many people these days train for a specific job, ive had 20+ in my life so far lol
01:03	Peacock	(and never the same one twice)
01:04	Peacock	paramat not sure how to make schematics in the current format, not even sure if WE saves schematics in its own format :/
01:05	paramat	and yes line 492 of pastebin 'local y = CLOUDY' followed by 'local vi = area:index(x, y, z)'
01:05	Peacock	i did that and it stopped crashing :-)
01:06	paramat	i have to learn schematics for massive generative architecture: multiple placing of an apartment schematic
01:07	Peacock	though between lsystems and schematics, not sure which is better
01:07	paramat	although for paragen i prefer each tree to be unique, schematics would mean 1 or a few fixed structures, so i prefer LVM trees
01:07	Peacock	both generate the same tree
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01:07	Peacock	lvm = schematics
01:08	paramat	sort of :)
01:08	Peacock	lsystems can be made unique by throwing in a few math.randoms
01:09	paramat	thanks for testing paragen LVM, perhaps you could host it and put a link in my thread?
01:09	Peacock	host it as a file or a server?
01:10	paramat	oh sorry i meant just as a file
01:10	Peacock	i put the code up so you could use it, but ive made some changes on mine to make it work with my custom default
01:10	Peacock	and custom hieght
01:10	Peacock	*height
01:11	paramat	okay yeah better idea i'll grab the pastebin and host it myself :)
01:11	Peacock	well dont forget the fixes :P
01:11	Peacock	(for clouds)
01:11	Peacock	besides these days i use zippyshare and some people dont like that lol
01:11	Peacock	you know how to use github, which is more than me lol
01:12	paramat	yes i'll edit your fixes out
01:12	paramat	i'm useless on github
01:14	Peacock	if youre useless, im less than useless lol
01:16	paramat	^ oops i mean i'll remember the fixes
01:16	Peacock	lol i understood :P i already removed my own fixes (height, missing nodes) before posting the pastebin
01:17	Peacock	thought some thoughts about that: a helper function that takes an array of nodes and returns an array of content id's wouldn't be bad for your other mapgen type mods
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01:30	Dark_Soul	hello everyone
01:30	harrison	http://youtu.be/Fo09wEWFsVk
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01:31	Dark_Soul	is there a mod that adds the priv "invisiablity"?
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01:35	Dark_Soul	kaeza do you know if theres any mod that have the priv "invisability"?
01:35	harrison	"inadvisability"
01:36	Miner_48er	Dark_Soul explain what the priv invisibility should be?
01:36	kaeza	"indivisibility"
01:36	Miner_48er	or should do?
01:37	paramat	Peacock, what's the advantage of that (02:17) over our current way? sorry am not good programmer
01:37	Dark_Soul	where no one can see you for admins so they can go check on players to check for griefing cuase if the admin is turned the wrong way and the griefer sees them they will stop and move away
01:38	Dark_Soul	i think this would be a great mod for server owners
01:38	Peacock	paramat for a single mod, nothing, but over several mods, it would help coding lvm
01:39	ShadowNinja	That would be fairly easy to do with a mod, just set a transparent player texture.
01:39	Dark_Soul	but that would mean skins and some servers  (like mine) do not run skins.
01:40	harrison	then you have no "skin in the game"
01:40	Miner_48er	is there a way to hide the name too?
01:40	Dark_Soul	yea that to cuase they could still see there name
01:44	kaeza	name yourself "I" or "_" :P
01:45	Dark_Soul	this is for admins -.-
01:45	Dark_Soul	they cant be names I or _
01:45	Dark_Soul	well i guess they could be but..
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01:51	Dark_Soul	hello
01:51	Dark_Soul	Prestotron thanks for your help with linux i love it :)
01:53	Miner_48er	Dark_Soul did you get that run script to work?
01:54	prestotron55	[deleted]
01:54	paramat	Peacock, i think we need to add 'nodeid.air' and then change the 'if' statement in the cloud loop to 'if data[vi] == nodeid.air then', should speed up cloudgen
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02:05	Dark_Soul	back
02:05	Dark_Soul	sorry now what?
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02:12	paramat	... and of course nodeids for trees, i'll work on this LVM version and post it in the thread
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02:48	VanessaE	hi
02:48	prestotron55	[deleted]
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02:56	TheUniversalBuil	Hello
02:57	TheUniversalBuil	Can the pipeworks mod pick up fresh water?
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03:00	Miner_48er	yes
03:00	TheUniversalBuil	great
03:00	VanessaE	it doesn't properly count what it picks up but yes
03:01	VanessaE	it can be used to move water around to some degree.  works best with regular infinite water
03:01	TheUniversalBuil	arn't you the craetor @Vanessa?
03:01	VanessaE	yeah
03:01	TheUniversalBuil	great
03:01	TheUniversalBuil	thanks
03:01	TheUniversalBuil	i love that mod
03:02	TheUniversalBuil	are there diagonal laying pipes?
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03:03	VanessaE	no
03:03	Derp_Pig	Hello
03:03	VanessaE	it would be nice but that would complicate things greatly
03:03	VanessaE	hi Derp_Pig
03:03	TheUniversalBuil	how?
03:03	Derp_Pig	Wow
03:03	Derp_Pig	Minetest had some crazy updates
03:03	Derp_Pig	while i was gone
03:04	VanessaE	TheUniversalBuil: because as it stands now, there are 64 variations of the pipe model, one for each possible combination of pipes exiting the 6 faces of the cube the pipe sits in.  Adding diagonal pipes would increase that by at least an order of magnitude.
03:04	Derp_Pig	what
03:05	VanessaE	Derp_Pig: it has moved along smartly, yes.
03:05	* VanessaE	wonders who Derp_Pig is
03:05	Derp_Pig	Im a "old minetest" player
03:06	Derp_Pig	About 2-3 years ago
03:06	Derp_Pig	But when i discoverd minecraft
03:06	VanessaE	couldn't be 3 years ago.  MT didn't exist then :)
03:06	TheUniversalBuil	tohhh
03:06	VanessaE	but yeah, in the meantime it's changed greatly
03:06	TheUniversalBuil	ok thanks
03:07	Derp_Pig	im pretty sure it was 2 years ago
03:07	VanessaE	Derp_Pig: 2 years ago is possible :)
03:08	Derp_Pig	where you could noclip around and steal those weird gold blocks.... before there was any sound?
03:08	Derp_Pig	Those were the days
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03:08	Derp_Pig	Is there still no-clip
03:08	VanessaE	those weird gold blocks were probably mese, and those still exist.  noclip is supported and is a server-side privilege
03:09	thefamilygrog66	howdy folks
03:09	TheUniversalBuil	how come people rarely use the mob mod?
03:09	TheUniversalBuil	*mobs
03:09	VanessaE	hey TheUniversalBuil
03:09	VanessaE	oops
03:09	VanessaE	hey thefamilygrog66
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03:09	thefamilygrog66	haha
03:09	thefamilygrog66	hey VanessaE
03:09	VanessaE	TheUniversalBuil: because entities e.g. mobs are somewhat buggy.
03:09	VanessaE	some people use them
03:09	thefamilygrog66	<- uses the mobs mod
03:09	Derp_Pig	Yeah! Mese, wasent that some joke made by the devoper... hmmmmm
03:09	thefamilygrog66	simple mobs that is
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03:10	TheUniversalBuil	oh ok
03:10	NakedFury	still used but new textures
03:10	Derp_Pig	its been awhile
03:10	thefamilygrog66	I added a mob that uses the player model with Herobrine skin, randomly spawning on wood (i.e. inside houses, typically). Scary stuff.
03:11	thefamilygrog66	For awhile, he was 4x the size as normal and would spawn in the desert - giants!
03:11	VanessaE	Derp_Pig: it was a joke originally yes (mese is short for "messenger" in finnish or something)
03:12	thefamilygrog66	fosscon
03:13	* thefamilygrog66	still pronounces it "mess-ay"
03:13	thefamilygrog66	can't help it
03:14	VanessaE	to me, it's a long-E, like "geese".
03:15	Derp_Pig	VanessaE: Oh ok i renember. That was the most fun i renember having on my old pc. Before i discoved minecraft... Then i totally forgot about the amazing community :'(
03:16	thefamilygrog66	you say potahto
03:16	VanessaE	you should give latest git a try (on my servers ;) ).
03:17	VanessaE	thefamilygrog66: let's call the whole thing off? ;)
03:17	thefamilygrog66	Haha
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03:17	thefamilygrog66	I'm running the daily build client on my linux desktop, but still 0.4.7 stable on my windows laptop
03:17	VanessaE	(Laugh-in was one of my favorites)
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03:18	thefamilygrog66	My house smells like freaking grape juice - the grapes are ripening out back, it's insane
03:18	VanessaE	mmmmmmm
03:19	thefamilygrog66	they taste pretty sweet, but seedy - I guess the former owners made wine
03:19	thefamilygrog66	I wish there was a beer tree out back, if there was such a thing!
03:19	VanessaE	time to make some jelly :)
03:20	thefamilygrog66	Yeah, I'm gonna look into that. Nice apple tree in the back yard too - apple crisp, apple pie time.
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03:22	VanessaE	mmmmmmmmm
03:22	VanessaE	I'll take a few casseroles-full of that apple crisp ;)
03:22	thefamilygrog66	Haha, tasty.
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03:22	Derp_Pig	back.
03:22	thefamilygrog66	Hey V, did you see my attempt at player_physics_override?
03:23	VanessaE	no
03:24	thefamilygrog66	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7307
03:24	VanessaE	oh yes I saw that
03:25	Derp_Pig	Wait. Does minetest still have the weird magical bears?
03:25	Derp_Pig	hehe.
03:25	thefamilygrog66	?!
03:25	ShadowNinja	ShadowBot: topic remove -2
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03:25	VanessaE	you mean dungeon masters?
03:25	VanessaE	those exist as part of a separate mod now, simple mobs
03:25	Derp_Pig	Yes. -_-
03:25	Derp_Pig	Oh ok
03:26	ShadowNinja	LOL, magical bears.
03:26	thefamilygrog66	I hate their fireballs.
03:26	ShadowNinja	plol
03:26	Derp_Pig	Its been awhile O: com'on guys!
03:26	thefamilygrog66	I'm so making a magical bear mod. :)
03:26	Derp_Pig	...
03:27	ShadowNinja	Derp_Pig: No insult intended, it's just funny to think of them as something so inocent sounding.
03:27	thefamilygrog66	Sorry, my last mod was magic beans - change one letter...
03:28	Derp_Pig	Oh ok
03:28	Derp_Pig	I know
03:28	Derp_Pig	They were pretty annoying
03:28	Derp_Pig	:/
03:28	thefamilygrog66	They keep burning my server, even with fire disabled, those jerks.
03:30	Derp_Pig	Yeah
03:31	Derp_Pig	Im hope they game is playable with my gamepad, i dont feel like going downstairs to my PC
03:31	Derp_Pig	and its 11:30
03:31	Derp_Pig	so you can see why
03:33	thefamilygrog66	Hey, same timezone.
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03:34	Derp_Pig	Nicee
03:35	Derp_Pig	I am about to install minetest
03:35	diemartin	he's alive!
03:35	Derp_Pig	This is intense
03:36	thefamilygrog66	Which server are you on VanessaE - creative or survival?
03:36	VanessaE	neither at the moment
03:36	thefamilygrog66	ahh
03:37	VanessaE	I'm testing out Mossmannikin/Neuromancer's Undergrowth modpack
03:37	VanessaE	I'm starting to like it
03:37	thefamilygrog66	Simonster wants me to make a mod somehow involving Adventure Time - not sure where to start.
03:37	thefamilygrog66	Cool.
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03:39	dafull97	Hey guys, first message in Xubuntu... =D
03:39	VanessaE	hey
03:40	Derp_Pig	VanessaE does minetest have gamepad support so i dont waste time in the profiler?
03:40	NakedFury	no
03:40	VanessaE	no
03:40	Derp_Pig	ok thanks
03:40	VanessaE	but you can use a key<->joy emulator
03:40	Derp_Pig	yeah
03:41	Derp_Pig	im using the logitech profiler
03:41	Derp_Pig	:D
03:41	VanessaE	idk what that is
03:42	Derp_Pig	it lets you set what the buttons do for the gamepad... like i would set square for i so i opens the invitory, blah blah you get the point lol
03:44	Derp_Pig	ok its all set
03:44	Derp_Pig	Cant wait!
03:44	Derp_Pig	bye!
03:46	dafull97	VanessaE, so i have a Question... again... haha
03:46	VanessaE	hm?
03:46	dafull97	How would i install minetest on Xubuntu?
03:46	dafull97	i remember you helped someone out earlier, haha =P
03:47	VanessaE	https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/daily-builds
03:47	VanessaE	install that PPA
03:47	thefamilygrog66	Or compile it: http://dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest
03:47	thefamilygrog66	Depends if you want the daily build, or stable.
03:47	dafull97	T hanks
03:49	VanessaE	stable indeed...
03:49	VanessaE	such a thought ;)
03:50	thefamilygrog66	haha
03:51	thefamilygrog66	my server is running stable, and I start to drown while climbing ladders or standing in doorways
03:51	thefamilygrog66	o_O
03:52	VanessaE	weird
03:54	thefamilygrog66	basically, if the player is occupying a node space in which there is another node, even one that is only partial (e.g. ladder, rope, etc.) it interprets it as though you were in a solid node and you start losing air
03:54	VanessaE	you sure there isn't some mod doing that?
03:54	VanessaE	because that sounds more like some suffocation-type mod..
03:55	thefamilygrog66	pretty sure I don't have the suffocation mod installed :P
03:55	thefamilygrog66	it only behaves that way when I'm using a daily build client on the 0.4.7 server
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03:57	thefamilygrog66	hey, can any node be climbable, provided I include climbable = true, when I registr the node?
03:57	thefamilygrog66	*register
03:58	VanessaE	I think so, yes
03:58	thefamilygrog66	Cool - adding beanstalks is gonna be a lot easier than I thought
03:59	thefamilygrog66	no parkour jumping required
03:59	VanessaE	hah
04:00	thefamilygrog66	not sure what to put at the top yet - cloud maybe, but that's pretty permanent
04:01	VanessaE	fake it.  make your own block with the cloud texture
04:01	VanessaE	make it require a bucket to scoop up ;)
04:01	thefamilygrog66	haha, cool
04:02	thefamilygrog66	I made the majority of roads on my server out of cloud, using worldedit
04:02	VanessaE	hell of a way to lay roadbed :
04:02	VanessaE	:)
04:03	thefamilygrog66	and added a custom compass block at intersections
04:03	thefamilygrog66	yep!
04:11	clarksallador	ahmm hi?
04:11	ShadowNinja	VanessaE, thefamilygrog66: That is a known bug with some older servers with newer clients.
04:11	VanessaE	hi clarksallador
04:11	thefamilygrog66	cool, thanks ShadowNinja - good to know
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04:13	dafull97	sup guys?
04:15	dafull97	VanessaE, say my name im testing a IRC client
04:15	VanessaE	dafull97: er, ok
04:15	VanessaE	there.
04:16	dafull97	Thanks, works... im testing XChat on Xubuntu =D
04:17	VanessaE	I use xchat.
04:18	thefamilygrog66	webchat.freenode.net
04:18	thefamilygrog66	lazy
04:18	thefamilygrog66	can't even type complete sentences, hah
04:19	thefamilygrog66	Also, I'm starting to fade - night folks.
04:19	dafull97	Really? on what?
04:19	dafull97	and night familygrog
04:19	zat	Isn’t it odd that you dig stone and get cobblestone?
04:20	VanessaE	why not>?
04:20	VanessaE	you have to break the stone to dig it
04:21	VanessaE	ergo you get broken up stones, hence cobble
04:21	dafull97	VanessaE, i cannot start after adding repositories... command sudo apt-get install minetestc55
04:22	dafull97	and then minetest, wont start?
04:22	VanessaE	run it from a terminal
04:22	VanessaE	see what error comes up
04:22	dafull97	i did
04:22	dafull97	bash: /usr/games/minetest: No such file or directory
04:22	VanessaE	close the terminal and open a new one
04:22	VanessaE	sometimes it will do that when you install a program
04:23	VanessaE	and just, "minetest" without any path
04:23	* dafull97	Bows to VanessaE
04:23	dafull97	it works =P
04:23	VanessaE	of course :)
04:24	dafull97	haha, one the best troubleshooters ;)
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04:27	kahrl	VanessaE: I think "hash -r" would fix that too, instead of reopening the terminal
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04:27	dafull97	yea probably... im a little nublish sometimes
04:28	VanessaE	hash eh?
04:29	VanessaE	heh, didn't know about that one
04:29	VanessaE	maybe you mean bash -r?
04:29	VanessaE	no that ain't it...
04:29	* VanessaE	shrugs
04:30	kahrl	no, actually hash -r
04:30	kahrl	but telling someone to reopen the terminal is easier :)
04:30	VanessaE	huh.  no manpage for the hash command.  explains why I didn't know about it :P
04:31	kahrl	it's a shell builtin, I have a manpage for it though (explains the POSIX requirements)
04:32	kahrl	so "help hash" should show the help
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04:45	zat	VanessaE: Yes, you have to indeed break the stone, still, when I dig planks I get them whole, when I dig on glass I get it whole, etc... inconsistent to me.
04:45	* VanessaE	shrugs
04:45	VanessaE	that's just the way it is :P
04:47	* dafull97	is listening to Skillet - One Day too late
04:49	dafull97	who likes skillet?
04:50	VanessaE	never heard of 'em
04:50	VanessaE	modern music...bleah... get off my lawn, etc.
04:51	dafull97	like Rock?
04:51	dafull97	or pop?
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04:56	dafull97	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNEC735juI4 - best song made by skillet! Pop/Rock
04:57	dafull97	im falling asleep, good night
05:19	clarksallador	can i ask?
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05:23	VanessaE	just assk
05:24	VanessaE	ask*
05:28	clarksallador	ahmm how do you make a server here?
05:28	VanessaE	this should help:  http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Setting_up_a_server
05:29	VanessaE	basically, it boils down to...create a world, run the server program the the right switches to specify the game type, world name, location of log and config files, etc.  and open up your router or modem to outside connections.
05:30	VanessaE	s/the the/with the/
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05:35	werwerwer	does anybody here succeed in compilation minetest on windows with mingw and sound enabled and actually get sound?
05:39	diemartin	http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2223#comic
05:49	cy1	Any fun servers?
05:53	VanessaE	mine :_)
05:53	VanessaE	:)
06:15	werwerwer	there's no fun servers. only survival and creative
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06:17	VanessaE	mine's fun :(
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06:48	sfan5	!op
06:48	sfan5	:-/
06:52	us|0gb	Sorry sfan5, you're no longer allowed to do that.
06:52	sfan5	I am
06:52	us|0gb	Then why is the command not working?
06:53	sfan5	but there is no reverse lookup for the IPv6 of minetest.ru, that results in my hostname not matching the one in the config
06:53	sfan5	s/hostname/hostmask/
06:53	us|0gb	Ah, I see. No host mask then.
06:53	us|0gb	Never mind.
06:54		Topic for #minetest is now http://minetest.net | NEWS: Minetest 0.4.7 released; 0.4.8 will be released soonâ„¢ | RULES: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels | CORE DEVS: #minetest-dev | SERVERS: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC LOGS: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ | WIKI: http://wiki.minetest.net | Don't ask about asking questions.
06:54	us|0gb	Why is your mask off if you are logged in? I don't understand.
06:54	us|0gb	What does reverse lookup have to do with masks?
06:56	sfan5	sfan5!*@2a01:4f8:151:8106::2 doesn't match sfan5!~sfan5minetest.ru
06:56	sfan5	it is the other way around now actually
06:57	us|0gb	Okay, so it is host names not masks then.
06:57	sfan5	I still need to add the new modules so I could actually fix that now
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06:59	sfan5	!op
07:00	sfan5	!deop
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07:27	GNADev|zRokh	hi, i has a question about tools...
07:27	GNADev|zRokh	how do i get if the tool has 1 use left?
07:28	us|0gb	You'd have to do math. You can't get a number of uses back, just an amount of wear.
07:29	GNADev|zRokh	?
07:29	us|0gb	You can't get back a number of uses the tool has left.
07:30	us|0gb	You can oly get back how much health the tool has left, which isn't the same number.
07:30	us|0gb	*only
07:31	GNADev|zRokh	oh....... so how do i get its health?
07:31	GNADev|zRokh	or better yet...
07:32	GNADev|zRokh	i need to first have a tool with unlimited uses, then limit that use with a function, then after 7 uses it will be unlimited again
07:32	GNADev|zRokh	oh, and change the description of the tool every time the tool has been used
07:32	GNADev|zRokh	possibru?
07:32	us|0gb	WHat do you mean by limit the tool?
07:33	us|0gb	As for descriptions, they cannot change, but you can swap the tool out for an identical one with a different description.
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07:35	GNADev|zRokh	1. The empty tool is given
07:35	GNADev|zRokh	2. If a player has at least 12 of a certain items (bullets) in the inventory, the tool will be took away (on use) and given the loaded item that has 12 uses (reloaded gun)
07:35	GNADev|zRokh	3. after 12 uses the tool is gone and the empty tool is given
07:36	GNADev|zRokh	i need the minetest.* stuff
07:36	GNADev|zRokh	do you get what im saying?
07:37	werwerwer	if anybody cares  - to make sounds work on windows you need some "wrap_oal.dll" %)
07:37	us|0gb	I don't know what you mean by "minetest.* stuff", but the rest is possible.
07:37	us|0gb	Hmm. It will take effort though.
07:38	us|0gb	First, the empty gun. You;ll need to use the on_use() property to load the bullets.
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07:38	GNADev|zRokh	i know that, but thanks you, still...
07:38	GNADev|zRokh	now question: how do i take away 12 bullets?
07:39	GNADev|zRokh	or if 12 bullets arent in the players inventory, then do nothing
07:39	us|0gb	Take the bullets in the on_use() function after checking to see if the player has enough in their inventory.
07:39	GNADev|zRokh	thats the point, idk how to check the inv
07:39	GNADev|zRokh	oh, and btw, what could i use instead of gunpowder?
07:39	GNADev|zRokh	coal?
07:40	GNADev|zRokh	or make gravel give gunpowder
07:40	us|0gb	player.get_inventory(), I think.
07:40	GNADev|zRokh	a 1/3 chance
07:40	GNADev|zRokh	wait... now i know what im looking for
07:40	werwerwer	use gunpowder fron tnt mod
07:41	GNADev|zRokh	nah, i dont want tnt, i made C4
07:41	GNADev|zRokh	:D
07:42	GNADev|zRokh	i have the node ready, working on the explosion etc...
07:43	werwerwer	well, if you use tnt-compatible gunpowder (which is made of gravel and coal) that would be great
07:46	GNADev|zRokh	wait.... gravel and coal... GENIUS, thanks :D
07:46	GNADev|zRokh	{coal, gravel, coal} (shapeless) == gunpowder
07:46	GNADev|zRokh	:D
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07:50	GNADev|zRokh	hey, can a craftitem be type = "fuel" ?
07:53	kahrl	GNADev|zRokh: sure
07:55	GNADev|zRokh	:D
07:55	GNADev|zRokh	gunpowder + flame == BOOM :D
07:57	GNADev|zRokh	hey, could somebody help me make textures?
07:57	GNADev|zRokh	plz?
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08:08	GNADev|zRokh	kaeza, do you make textures?
08:08	GNADev|zRokh	and if so, then could you make textures for Terror?
08:17	kaeza	yes, and nope
08:17	GNADev|zRokh	why?
08:17	kaeza	...
08:18	GNADev|zRokh	i suck at texturing.....
08:21	GNADev|zRokh	please?
08:22	kaeza	too busy
08:23	GNADev|zRokh	us|0gb i wanna make a defuse kit, the C4 is not diggable, so do i do if pointed_thing == terror:c4 ?
08:23	GNADev|zRokh	<:\
08:23	us|0gb	That sounds right.
08:23	us|0gb	Wait, no it doesn't.
08:23	GNADev|zRokh	i know
08:23	GNADev|zRokh	idk how the syntax is... :/
08:24	GNADev|zRokh	i just did it like i thought
08:24	us|0gb	You need to get the name of the node at pointed_thing.under.
08:24	GNADev|zRokh	oh......
08:24	us|0gb	I think it's this:
08:25	us|0gb	if minetest.get_node(pointed_thing.under).name == "terror:c4" then
08:25	us|0gb	I might have some of the names wrong, you'll have to check the API doc.
08:26	kaeza	do I detect a CS mod?
08:27	GNADev|zRokh	kinda :D
08:27	GNADev|zRokh	its called Terror
08:27	us|0gb	"CS" is what?
08:27	GNADev|zRokh	Schfifty five
08:27	GNADev|zRokh	Counter Strike
08:27	GNADev|zRokh	a HL1 mod
08:27	GNADev|zRokh	FPS
08:27	us|0gb	Ah, got it.
08:28	kaeza	rather, a Minetest mod to mimic CS gameplay
08:28	kaeza	(you can make a CS mod to mimic Minetest gameplay :P)
08:28	GNADev|zRokh	0gb, kaeza, wanna listen to a great song? http://youtu.be/kFF3pVOHtoA?t=40s
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08:28	GNADev|zRokh	i know
08:28	GNADev|zRokh	.amxx :D
08:30	us|0gb	What the heck was that?
08:31	GNADev|zRokh	:D
08:32	GNADev|zRokh	it was Schfifty Five
08:32	us|0gb	Yeah, I got that much.
08:32	GNADev|zRokh	my gf's age is schfifty five
08:32	Calinou	>implying you have a gf
08:32	us|0gb	I'm not convinced that's a number.
08:33	GNADev|zRokh	yes it is, its schfifty schfifty schifty!
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08:34	us|0gb	...
08:35	us|0gb	I'm not even convinced that's a word.
08:37	GNADev|zRokh	:D
08:42	Jordach	btw, whoever moded the making an npc by xyro fire needs their ass kicked: remember to remove the redirect when moving posts
08:42	Jordach	moved*
08:43	GNADev|zRokh	WII Sports Club, every single sport costs 10$/sport and they are all digital and not tied to your WII account but to the single console. if the console breaks you have to re-buy every single sport for 10$/sport
08:44	VanessaE	Jordach:  wasn't me but why the fuck can't we just disable that stupid flag by default?  it's too easy to forget it.
08:44	Jordach	dammit Calinou or sfan5
08:44	Jordach	get yer brains in gear
08:45	* Jordach	prepares a slap
08:46	* GNADev|zRokh	slaps Jordach
08:46	GNADev|zRokh	What's wrong with you, Robin?!
08:47	* Jordach	slaps GNADev|zRokh with !kick
08:48	GNADev|zRokh	:D
08:48	Jordach	!!mute is more painful
08:48	Jordach	you get to listen but not speak
08:49	GNADev|zRokh	ouch......
08:49	* Jordach	noticed alot of OSS uses orange as a colour
08:50	kaeza	> alot
08:50	Jordach	a lot*
08:50	us|0gb	THough some, such as Clementine, use it as a fruit.
08:50	Calinou	more like gray
08:50	GNADev|zRokh	Karma's a bitch
08:51	GNADev|zRokh	CapCom is going bankrupt :D
08:51	kaeza	old news
08:51	kaeza	and sad too :(
08:51	GNADev|zRokh	how sad?
08:52	Jordach	vlc, blender, clementine, he/xchat, LO Impress/Draw <- can list right now
08:52	GNADev|zRokh	Capcom wants to make DLC bigger
08:52	sfan5	Jordach: hm?
08:52	Jordach	they're idiots: everyone wants a 2d Megaman game
08:52	kaeza	doesn't matter
08:52	Jordach	sfan5, did you move xyro_fire's post
08:52	kaeza	Jordach, +1
08:52	* GNADev|zRokh	wants a 1D DumbassMan game :D
08:52	Calinou	<GNADev|zRokh> Karma's a bitch
08:52	Calinou	says the guy that doesn't use reddit
08:52	Jordach	!kick...
08:52	sfan5	Jordach: which post?
08:52	GNADev|zRokh	NOOO! i could use Reddit
08:53	Jordach	sfan5, making an npc that was in FD
08:53	Jordach	you left a re-direct
08:53	GNADev|zRokh	Jordach, do you know who's the Black Buster Critic
08:53	sfan5	I did not move any topic about NPCs
08:53	Jordach	sfan5, okay, dammit Calinou
08:56	* Jordach	waits two years for LO to get going..
08:58	Jordach	even with the quickstarter, it takes an age if you dont often use LO
09:02	* GNADev|zRokh	is watching a video about a grown man wanting to have sex with Bart Simpson... WTF
09:03	Jordach	GNADev|zRokh, shush
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09:11	sfan5	wait what? https://twitter.com/Dinnerbone/status/383724382079954944
09:12	sfan5	apparently mc wants to use strings to name blocks too
09:13	Calinou	yeah, bad ones
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09:20	Jordach	> 95 = minecraft:chest_locked_aprilfools_super_old_legacy_we_should_not_even_have_this
09:20	Jordach	oh look, they're copying us again
09:22	Jordach	and yet they don't have a /giveme
09:24	* Jordach	evilly laughs
09:24	* GNADev|zRokh	is grossed out because SolidMario wants to have sex with Bart and he thinks he has a cute butt.... >:S
09:25	Jordach	shut it GNADev|zRokh
09:25	Calinou	GNADev|zRokh: no thanks.
09:25	GNADev|zRokh	hey, anybody wanna play MT online with me?
09:25	Jordach	you want me to mute you for a few hours and set my user mode to +r
09:25	Jordach	because i will.
09:25	GNADev|zRokh	+r? whats that?
09:26	Jordach	something you wont be able to bypass with normal means
09:27	GNADev|zRokh	tempting....... but nah! imma continue Syntax :P
09:30	Jordach	hehe, my joker is genius
09:30	Jordach	AWW SHIT
09:31	* Jordach	has to re-do MinetestBot's model
09:31	Jordach	she's still a Gen 2
09:33	Jordach	btw, my joker card: http://i.imgur.com/6XiJrke.png
09:34	Jordach	(afaik, the cards should come out as pixels
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09:38	us|0gb	Jordach, I like that ten card. It's clever.
09:39	Jordach	us|0gb, that was the point
09:40	Jordach	(actually I ran out of space on the 64x64 card to fit another 16x texture in, so i used the block)
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09:41	* GNADev|zRokh	is back
09:41	Jordach	oh ffs
09:42	arsdragonfly	Jordach turn some ingots on those cards upside down
09:42	Jordach	arsdragonfly, i didn't keep the cards as xcfs
09:42	Jordach	i saved them as png's on output
09:42	arsdragonfly	oh
09:43	Jordach	arsdragonfly, but anyone can read the numbers on the sides
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09:44	markveidemanis	Just to confirm: Am I Un-Banned?
09:44	Jordach	joining the channel = unbanned
09:44	Jordach	a message would occur if you did
09:44	arsdragonfly	just a minor tweak :P
09:44	Jordach	were*(
09:44	Jordach	-)
09:44	Jordach	-(*
09:46	Jordach	Calinou, your joker card is done ;)
09:46	markveidemanis	<MinetestBot> You are banned! // *Kicked by MinetestBot
09:46	Jordach	you're here
09:46	markveidemanis	Ok, good
09:46	Jordach	being in this channel with the ability to talk is not banned
09:47	markveidemanis	Hmm...
09:47	markveidemanis	Is MasterBot unbanned too?
09:47	arsdragonfly	long time no see markveidemanis
09:47	markveidemanis	Hi %nick !
09:48	Jordach	markveidemanis, checking
09:48	markveidemanis	His nick is not on the list but whoa, thats a lot of ips!
09:49	markveidemanis	I have not been here for quite a few monthsa
09:49	markveidemanis	*months
09:50	Jordach	MasterBot is clear
09:50	Jordach	just checked on the ban listings
09:51	markveidemanis	In that time i got a 3GHz Dual-Core PC with 4GB RAM but im having problems running Xubuntu on it, as i  dont have an integrated wireless card, i have to use a TP-LINK TL-WDN3200 to access the internet from windows. However the chipsets provided for it on linux cut out after a randim time
09:51	markveidemanis	Yea, and the keyboard on the new pc is different :P
09:52	Calinou	use ethernet then
09:53	markveidemanis	Hmm?
09:53	markveidemanis	Cable is too short!
09:53	markveidemanis	and will cause a hazard
09:53	Calinou	20 meters
09:53	markveidemanis	going accross the width of the corridor, up the stairs, and into my room
09:53	Calinou	there are 20 meters cables
09:53	Jordach	markveidemanis, i can get 15m for ~£15 in most Computer Stors
09:53	Calinou	possibly even more
09:53	markveidemanis	Im not gonna measure it
09:53	Jordach	Stores*
09:53	Calinou	I use 20 meter cable :P
09:54	Jordach	Calinou, 15 over here
09:54	Jordach	because 15 was the perfect length to reach my machine
09:54	markveidemanis	I know theres a way
09:54	markveidemanis	The dongle worked for a bit in xubuntu
09:55	markveidemanis	Who has OpenArena/Sauerbraten/nexuiz/garrys mod 11/13/assaultcube/hl2 deathmatch?
09:55	Calinou	15m was enough for me, but not by much
09:55	markveidemanis	Ive been busy these months!
09:55	Calinou	I have oa, sauer, assaultcube
09:55	* Calinou	finds Red Eclipse better than Sauerbraten
09:55	markveidemanis	Lets play one of them
09:55	Calinou	http://redeclipse.net
09:56	markveidemanis	I had it a while ago
09:56	markveidemanis	Lets do oa instead
09:56	markveidemanis	Simple
09:57	markveidemanis	what port do i  forward?
09:57	markveidemanis	also whats your machine calinou?
09:57	Calinou	what's my machine?
09:57	Calinou	a self built PC
09:58	markveidemanis	specs
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09:58	Calinou	http://paste.ubuntu.com/6166231/
09:58	Calinou	lol "Display Driver: vesa 2.3.2"
09:58	arsdragonfly	Jordach why is minecraft copying minetest "again"?
09:59	markveidemanis	I am jealous
09:59	markveidemanis	1920...
09:59	markveidemanis	1366x768
09:59	Calinou	full HD screens cost ~150€ these days
09:59	Calinou	at best
09:59	us|0gb	Because Minecraft knows how cool Minetest is, and wants to be as cool itself.
09:59	markveidemanis	with a 1440x900 in the cupboard!
09:59	markveidemanis	But its blurry!!!
09:59	Calinou	markveidemanis: be happy, I'm jealous of other people for other reasons
09:59	Calinou	more important ones
09:59	markveidemanis	..
09:59	markveidemanis	Exterior?
09:59	arsdragonfly	I mean , has it done copying before?
10:00	Calinou	exterior?
10:00	markveidemanis	screw the forwarding im hosting oa on 30000
10:01	markveidemanis	Whats a hostname?
10:01	markveidemanis	localhost:30000?
10:01	us|0gb	I don't know all what they've copied from "Minetest", but I know some of it wasn't from Minetest proprer, but from community plugins. I think they copied VanessaE's flower pots, for example.
10:01	us|0gb	*proper
10:02	Calinou	they are 3D, they didn't
10:02	Calinou	one of their new flowers looks quite similar to Minetest tulip :P
10:02	arsdragonfly	actually they've always been copying from the community :P
10:03	arsdragonfly	from pistons to horses
10:05	Calinou	except that they nerfed ALL the thing
10:05	Calinou	+s
10:06	markveidemanis	86.137.37.21
10:06	markveidemanis	On openarena
10:06	* arsdragonfly	tried using a real nerf gun a few days ago
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10:07	GNADev|zRokh	who uses wine?
10:07	GNADev|zRokh	or windows
10:07	arsdragonfly	and got a deeper understanding of the word :D
10:07	Jordach	i'll drink it, but it isn't as nice as beer
10:07	markveidemanis	I have windows
10:08	GNADev|zRokh	i have a problem: i try to run AOS with wine and i get an error: Initdirectinput failed: 80040154
10:08	Calinou	markveidemanis: port 30000? does not work
10:08	Calinou	default port doesn't either
10:08	markveidemanis	279760
10:08	markveidemanis	default even
10:08	Calinou	nope doesn't work
10:08	markveidemanis	why dont you host
10:08	markveidemanis	:P
10:08	arsdragonfly	I had them closed 'cause it's a bit cold outside
10:08	Calinou	GNADev|zRokh: try OpenSpades :)
10:08	Calinou	open source client for AOS
10:08	Calinou	works on all OSes
10:09	GNADev|zRokh	WOAH :D
10:09	GNADev|zRokh	thanks
10:09	arsdragonfly	zRokh what's your resolution?
10:09	markveidemanis	How about some Gmod 11?
10:09	GNADev|zRokh	freespades.sourceforge.net?
10:09	markveidemanis	anyone?
10:09	GNADev|zRokh	idk
10:10	arsdragonfly	iirc only 640*480,800*600,and 1024*768 work fine
10:10	arsdragonfly	or you'll have a directdraw error
10:10	VanessaE	us|0gb: actually, they're ironzorg's flowerpots, not mine. :)
10:10	us|0gb	My bad.
10:11	GNADev|zRokh	i have a directinput error, not a directdraw error
10:11	arsdragonfly	oh
10:12	arsdragonfly	then I have no idea :(
10:12	markveidemanis	garrys mod uses half life 2 port right?
10:13	GNADev|zRokh	calinou, i cant find OpenSpades anywhere :/
10:13	Jordach	GNADev|zRokh, hold on
10:13	Jordach	i have a binary lying in my mediafire
10:13	GNADev|zRokh	wait i think i found iot
10:13	GNADev|zRokh	it*
10:13	GNADev|zRokh	this it: https://sites.google.com/a/yvt.jp/openspades/downloads ?
10:13	Jordach	GNADev|zRokh, there's a bug in the windows version
10:14	Jordach	which occurs in 0.0.8b
10:14	GNADev|zRokh	0.0.8b?
10:14	GNADev|zRokh	you mean the client version?
10:14	Jordach	i just happen to have a fixed build, and yes
10:14	GNADev|zRokh	or AOS version?
10:14	Jordach	http://www.mediafire.com/download/gi552pv9wdtvjet/OpenSpades-0.0.8b-Windows.zip
10:14	Jordach	GNADev|zRokh, OpenSpads
10:14	GNADev|zRokh	oh ok........
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10:19	jrabbit	http://i.imgur.com/EjzuF6Y.png :(
10:19	jrabbit	what happened
10:19	jrabbit	--verbose isn't telling me anything useful
10:19	GNADev|zRokh	thanks Jordach :)
10:19	GNADev|zRokh	bbl
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10:20	nore	hi all
10:20	us|0gb	Hello!
10:22	Calinou	hi
10:23	Calinou	jrabbit: old version :/
10:23	us|0gb	Hello!
10:23	Calinou	latest is 0.4.7, and you should use git
10:23	jrabbit	Calinou: I can try that
10:23	jrabbit	(i'm just using whats in debian)
10:23	jrabbit	it was workign grea
10:23	jrabbit	then bam everythign is grey
10:23	jrabbit	lol
10:26	Jordach	hey nore
10:28	jrabbit	Calinou: Ill try a newer version
10:29	jrabbit	Calinou: same thing with 4.7
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10:30	VanessaE	jrabbit:  zero point four point seven
10:30	jrabbit	sure
10:31	Jordach	got very bored: http://i.imgur.com/TFHUtyp.png
10:32	jrabbit	7load new world- works fine
10:32	jrabbit	>_>
10:32	Jordach	nearly 100% accurate copy of the one sitting in legacy
10:32	jrabbit	sooo is the other one fucked?
10:32	Jordach	jrabbit, possibly
10:32	jrabbit	:(
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10:32	Jordach	hey Krock
10:32	Calinou	krock block
10:32	Calinou	</TF2 achievement>
10:32	Krock	hi
10:33	jrabbit	the new version in debian sid/unstablre driftds left for no reason
10:34	Jordach	just banned a spammer with the message: no spamming your shitty jewelery
10:34	Calinou	lol
10:34	markveidemanis	Also in the time i have developed my website at http://marktest.co.uk and am looking for some publicity
10:34	Jordach	markveidemanis, no, not here
10:35	Jordach	that's why you were banned before
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10:35	markveidemanis	...
10:35	markveidemanis	I have started a fresh and promise only to mention it this once
10:35	markveidemanis	I need help getting publicity. If you are not interested I wont tell you again.
10:36	jrabbit	strange... happenign in the previous version
10:36	jrabbit	gah
10:36	Jordach	markveidemanis: google for website forums, and ask for advice etc
10:36	Jordach	that's where you should start, not here
10:37	markveidemanis	webuser.co.uk?
10:38	Jordach	fun fact: i have about $120 worth of free AdWords
10:38	Jordach	google keeps giving me the money for free :P
10:38	us|0gb	How did you get them to do that?
10:39	* us|0gb	could use an ad budget
10:39	Jordach	us|0gb, sign up for google adwords but don't buy
10:40	Jordach	they'll eventually give you a code
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10:40	us|0gb	I did sign up with a code I got one time, and I've never gotten a code again.
10:40	sfan5	wow, unitys 2nd monitor support is really buggy
10:41	sfan5	if I open a context menu it shows the side dock and top bar even if vlc on the 2nd screen is in fullscreen
10:41	sfan5	(open a context menu on the first screen)
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10:41	Jordach	lol, i'm more imaginative when bored
10:41	sfan5	(shows the side dock and top bar on the 2nd screen)
10:44	Jordach	sfan5, lol
10:44	Jordach	unity sucks
10:44	Jordach	get over it
10:44	Jordach	use xfce or kde
10:45	us|0gb	Xfce is nice, as are GNOME2, MATE, and Cinnamon.
10:46	Jordach	Cinnamon ftw
10:46	Jordach	nothing can beat it
10:47	Calinou	xfce is best pony
10:47	* Calinou	gallops away
10:48	kahrl	jrabbit: maybe you got teleported outside the world for some reason
10:49	kahrl	try /teleport 0,0,0
10:50	Jordach	there's a simple reason why I don't like exploring caves with simple mobs: http://i.imgur.com/IACCO0O.png
10:50	jrabbit	kahrl: that was it!
10:50	jrabbit	the mouse is still drifting to the left
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10:50	jrabbit	in that world and a second
10:50	jrabbit	but not a third
10:50	jrabbit	:x
10:51	GNADev|zRokh	Jordach, do you play OpenSpades?
10:51	GNADev|zRokh	because i could use some help :/
10:51	Jordach	yes, but i use a different name there
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10:52	GNADev|zRokh	ok, so i set the bitColors to 16, bitDepth to 16, size to 600x400
10:52	GNADev|zRokh	but it still lags
10:52	GNADev|zRokh	and crashes
10:52	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
10:52	Jordach	<PilzAdam> Hello everyone!
10:52	Jordach	FUCK..
10:52	us|0gb	Hello!
10:52	GNADev|zRokh	but mainly lags
10:52	GNADev|zRokh	like 10fps
10:52	Jordach	i hit enter as PilzAdam hit enter
10:52	Jordach	GNADev|zRokh, which server
10:52	GNADev|zRokh	in a 2 player server
10:52	Jordach	umm
10:52	Jordach	no idea
10:52	GNADev|zRokh	me + one more
10:52	GNADev|zRokh	hi PA
10:52	Jordach	you sure that GPU has enough RAM
10:52	GNADev|zRokh	:D
10:52	GNADev|zRokh	512MB... :D
10:53	Jordach	GNADev|zRokh, should be enough, I have 512
10:53	Jordach	GNADev|zRokh, disable shaders
10:53	GNADev|zRokh	i did
10:53	GNADev|zRokh	i disabled particles, wait...
10:53	Jordach	GNADev|zRokh, make it look like this: http://i.imgur.com/nyyD0jD.png
10:53	GNADev|zRokh	HQ Postprocess is off, blood is off, shader effects are low, lightning is low
10:53	GNADev|zRokh	eax is off
10:54	Jordach	global illumination
10:54	Jordach	turn that off
10:54	GNADev|zRokh	off
10:54	Jordach	hmm
10:54	GNADev|zRokh	by default
10:54	GNADev|zRokh	everything is off
10:54	GNADev|zRokh	im also in windowed
10:54	Jordach	GNADev|zRokh, THERE WE GO
10:54	Jordach	FULLSCREEN = 60fps on my end
10:54	GNADev|zRokh	woah!
10:54	GNADev|zRokh	O.O
10:55	GNADev|zRokh	what server?
10:55	Jordach	GNADev|zRokh, any
10:55	GNADev|zRokh	O.O
10:55	GNADev|zRokh	32 player?
10:55	Jordach	some maps like Super Cool Build with lots of blocks are the only way I slowdown
10:55	GNADev|zRokh	to what fps?
10:55	GNADev|zRokh	10?
10:55	GNADev|zRokh	20?
10:55	Jordach	any other time it's butter smooth, PilzAdam, sfan5 and ShadowNinja can attest that with full shaders
10:56	Jordach	GNADev|zRokh, they get 60
10:56	GNADev|zRokh	>:O
10:56	* GNADev|zRokh	needs a new PC
10:56	Jordach	even my GeForce 6200 is ancient by today's standards, but even I get a better fps
10:56	GNADev|zRokh	well wait a sec... let me get my stats...
10:57	markveidemanis	http://forum.webuser.co.uk/showthread.php?p=1054633#post1054633
10:57	GNADev|zRokh	oh, and btw, i think i got this PC at the same time CSS was released.....
10:57	markveidemanis	Can minetest do more that 60 fps?
10:57	GNADev|zRokh	so thats a long time...
10:57	markveidemanis	I cant seem to make it go over
10:57	GNADev|zRokh	on my pc, no
10:58	GNADev|zRokh	it gets like 20-25
10:58	markveidemanis	Whats your specs?
10:58	GNADev|zRokh	idk... 512MB ram, 80GB storage....
10:58	GNADev|zRokh	Linux Trisquel 6.0 mini
10:59	GNADev|zRokh	dont even think about it!
10:59	markveidemanis	processor??
10:59	GNADev|zRokh	idk...
10:59	GNADev|zRokh	prob. not good....
10:59	GNADev|zRokh	the pc is as old as CSS....
11:00	markveidemanis	do lscpu
11:00	Jordach	GNADev|zRokh, if you compile OpenSpades natively, you'll get better FPS than in Wine
11:00	GNADev|zRokh	where is the source code?
11:00	Jordach	!g openspades github
11:00	MinetestBot	Jordach: https://github.com/yvt/openspades
11:00	Jordach	^ there
11:00	GNADev|zRokh	thanks dood
11:00	Jordach	PilzAdam has instructions on building it
11:00	GNADev|zRokh	ShadowNinja?
11:01	GNADev|zRokh	O.O
11:01	Jordach	https://gist.github.com/PilzAdam/813b7add5cc4d7ad41b6
11:01	GNADev|zRokh	who started OpenSpades?
11:01	Jordach	yvt
11:01	Jordach	AoS didn't work on a Mac, so he made his own
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11:02	Jordach	hey Dan_D
11:02	Dan_D	Hi guys
11:02	Jordach	Dan_D, are you dandy right now?
11:02	* Jordach	runs
11:02	Dan_D	Anything interesting been happening while I was gone?
11:02	Jordach	nope.avi
11:03	GNADev|zRokh	Jordach, who is yvt?
11:03	Dan_D	Ok
11:03	Jordach	GNADev|zRokh, some japanese(?) AoS player with a Mac
11:03	PilzAdam	read it as "Im too lazy to read logs, tell me what happened!"
11:03	Jordach	that's all I know
11:03	GNADev|zRokh	oh
11:03	GNADev|zRokh	:D
11:03	GNADev|zRokh	:D to PilzAdam :D
11:03	Dan_D	BD
11:07	GNADev|zRokh	DB**
11:08	Dan_D	Is Mg_name indev the old version of mapgen,before v6?
11:09	Jordach	indev has some new shit including floating islands
11:09	GNADev|zRokh	Do the peanut butter jelly with a baseball bat
11:09	GNADev|zRokh	<3
11:10	Jordach	dont make me kick you as a warning GNADev|zRokh
11:10	GNADev|zRokh	ok.....
11:10	Jordach	because you're getting repetitive with nonsense
11:10	GNADev|zRokh	but can i ask you something?
11:10	GNADev|zRokh	what time is it?
11:10	Jordach	get fucked.
11:11	Jordach	im not falling in a trap.
11:11	GNADev|zRokh	It's actually...
11:11	GNADev|zRokh	Peanut butter jelly time
11:11	GNADev|zRokh	ok, bye
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11:15	Dan_D	Why is it that with system wide Minetest install on linux I have to make the texturesfolder and the game folder, because the ones created are not deleteable or moveable? That is stupid.
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11:17	GNADev|zRokh	Jordach, i found a video of Schfifty Five
11:17	GNADev|zRokh	a real video not an animation :D
11:19	GNADev|zRokh	Jordach do you like Dubstep?
11:19	Jordach	GNADev|zRokh, shut it
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11:19	Jordach	i've tired of your bs
11:19	PilzAdam	Dan_D, do you try to mess arround in /usr/share/ ?
11:20	Dan_D	Yes, but I can'tpaste,move or delete anything in there
11:20	PilzAdam	you shouldnt do that
11:21	Dan_D	So I made a new folder in .minetest
11:21	PilzAdam	where?
11:21	Dan_D	A new games folder in daniel/.minetest
11:21	PilzAdam	what is the whole path?
11:21	GNADev|zRokh	Dan_D, do you like Dubstep? i'll PM you a Youtube link :P
11:21	PilzAdam	!mute GNADev|zRokh
11:21	Dan_D	PilzAdam, how do I get the whole path?
11:22	Dan_D	It is the folder with the downloads folder int it,
11:22	PilzAdam	pwd
11:22	Dan_D	And it also has .minetest
11:22	PilzAdam	I guess you are new to Linux?
11:22	Dan_D	Yep
11:22	Dan_D	Xubuntu
11:22	PilzAdam	I suggest you to learn how to use it first
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11:23	Dan_D	How can I learn without being able to use it to learn? I have had it just over a day.
11:25	markveidemanis	Dan_D, want some help with linux? I have used Ubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu, and some other small ones, they are quite similar
11:25	Dan_D	Not nowI dont think
11:26	Dan_D	But maybe in future
11:26	markveidemanis	maybe first thing you want to do is drag the bar at the top to the bottom, it looks better
11:26	Dan_D	The bar thingy at the top? I like it there
11:26	Dan_D	Although on Windows I like the start bar at the side
11:27	PilzAdam	markveidemanis, wow! so helpful! now he really knows how to use linux!
11:27	Dan_D	Should I remove iron from Minetest Nostalgia?
11:28	markveidemanis	PilaAdam, be patient
11:28	Dan_D	Because in the first Minetest release, the ore spawns, and drops lumps, but doesn'tdo anything beyond that. I added ingots and pickaxe
11:50	Jordach	ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
11:50	Jordach	cold seat
11:52	Jordach	dear lord https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=112386#p112386
11:53	Jordach	> V4.06
11:54	Jordach	im changing that to 0.4.6 so no-body gets confused over it
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12:03	VanessaE	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=112367#p112367
12:03	VanessaE	\o/
12:10	arsdragonfly	lol
12:11	nore	http://nore.mesecons.net/screenshot_1685639558.png
12:11	nore	I village with too many inns...
12:11	VanessaE	haha
12:11	VanessaE	playing Monopoly in MT or something? ;)
12:11	VanessaE	"Ok, I'll build a hotel on Park Place..."
12:11	nore	I counted 7 of them
12:12	nore	and 3 pubs too
12:12	VanessaE	"and another on Boardwalk"...
12:12	VanessaE	:P
12:13	nore	I get those messages randomly when running Minetest
12:13	* Jordach	takes a HDX and throws it on the fire
12:13	nore	radeon: The kernel rejected CS, see dmesg for more information.
12:13	nore	do you know what it means?
12:13	nore	(and an unusable screen)
12:14	Jordach	borked video drivere
12:14	Jordach	-e
12:15	nore	I closed the screenshot in hte browser, and it seems fine now
12:15	nore	not enough video memory?
12:15	Jordach	could be
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12:19	VanessaE	oh fat lotta good that did.
12:19	Jordach	1/10, would mute again
12:19	VanessaE	[09-28 08:23] <VanessaE> whatever the case, I'll give you exactly one chance okay?
12:19	VanessaE	[09-28 08:23] <VanessaE> don't fuck up.
12:19	VanessaE	[09-28 08:23] <GNADev|zRokh> ok
12:20	VanessaE	-->him in private.
12:20	nore	Jordach, is there any mg server around?
12:20	VanessaE	gah, every time someone says 'mg' I think of dan's minegelf/currency mod and not the experimental mapgen mod :)
12:21	VanessaE	er minegeld
12:21	nore	VanessaE, what do you think of mg? what could be added?
12:22	VanessaE	I liked what I saw last time; I can't think of what to change right now though
12:22	VanessaE	I haven't seen the latest effects
12:25	nore	basically, only changes in villages
12:25	nore	bugfixes, better buildings, etc
12:25	Jordach	sfan5, start a MG server
12:25	Jordach	NOW.
12:26	Jordach	we want to play it!!
12:26	sfan5	Jordach: I'm doing it !!1!!1one
12:26	nore	Jordach, we need other biuldings
12:26	nore	you could help us a bit for that
12:26	Jordach	let's do survival and expand a village without CREATIVE.
12:27	Jordach	because it just feels really cheap
12:27	nore	no, let's do a creative and create new buildings for villages
12:27	nore	and I've an idea: NPC villagers
12:27	Jordach	nore, SIMPLE MOBS
12:27	nore	do you think it could be done?
12:27	Jordach	i've actually made them before using Simple Mobs
12:28	nore	I actually mean real NPCs, that you could trade with, that would chop down tree, really grow wheat in farms, etc
12:29	nore	sfan5, don't forget to pull the latest mg for the server
12:29	sfan5	nore: biomes or master?
12:29	Jordach	i just pulled
12:29	* Jordach	thinks master
12:29	Jordach	i'll continually pull master for testing
12:29	* sfan5	is now testing the biomes branch
12:30	Evergreen	<offtopic>I actually recorded a 32 minute long video with simplescreenrecorder, and it was only 926mb large
12:30	Jordach	JESUS WTF
12:30	Jordach	there was a reason why i went to youtube
12:30	Jordach	and i ended up watching KSP
12:30	nore	sfan5: master
12:31	sfan5	nore: ok
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12:37	VanessaE	Jordach: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=112384#p112384
12:37	VanessaE	explain?
12:37	Jordach	VanessaE, remember 0.3 with glass
12:37	VanessaE	barely
12:37	Jordach	how it had double faces
12:37	Jordach	instead of the whole thing being clear?
12:38	Jordach	that's whats happening; fancy_leaves even when off doubles the faces
12:38	VanessaE	but moretrees leaves are allfaces_options
12:38	VanessaE	er allfaces_optional
12:38	VanessaE	same as default leaves
12:38	VanessaE	(so they should react in the exact same way)
12:38	PilzAdam	when you disable fancy_leaves then its drawn like a normal node
12:39	VanessaE	so why the double faces?  they shouldn't be any different than dirt at that point
12:41	VanessaE	or rather, why would it produce double-faces I mean
12:41	VanessaE	(as in, it shouldn't)
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12:45	sfan5	Evergreen: try joining again
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12:58	VanessaE	hi
12:58	prestotron55	[deleted]
12:58	VanessaE	nuthin'
12:59	prestotron55	[deleted]
13:04	Evergreen	sup prestotron
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13:37	dafull97	Hey guys
13:37	* dafull97	Enters the room
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13:41	VanessaE	hi
13:42	dafull97	Hey VanessaE
13:42	dafull97	will be here for about 30 mins - 1 hr
13:43	dafull97	gotta drive mom to store
13:43	dafull97	VanessaE, how old are you? im 16... haha - if you dont wanna say can you give me a range?
13:44	dafull97	just curious
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13:50	harrison	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo09wEWFsVk&amp;feature=youtu.be
13:50	VanessaE	dafull97: I'm 39.
13:51	Ristovski	Is there a setting for mouse sensitivity?
13:52	harrison	as a mouse i resent that question. i am not too sensitive! (sniff!)
13:52	Evergreen	MY mouse actually has a button in the center that toggles between high sensitivity and low sensitivity
13:53	Evergreen	*My
13:54	* Ristovski	gives harrison some cheese
13:56	harrison	that is a stereotype and deeply offensive! (nibble)
13:56	* sfan5	is back
13:56	* PilzAdam	gives harrison some bacon
13:57	thexyz	s/bacon/beer/
13:57	harrison	that is a stereotype and deeply offensive! (nibble gulp)
13:58	dafull97	VanessaE, how long have you Coded/Programmed?
13:58	Ristovski	Ok, who here uses Linux?
13:58	harrison	i for one
13:58	* PilzAdam	too
13:58	Ristovski	What distros?
13:58	ruskie	too
13:58	sfan5	too
13:58	Ristovski	Im on Arch atm
13:59	PilzAdam	Kubuntu
13:59	Ristovski	ok, everyone uses Linux, lets ask something else
13:59	harrison	i am a 1337 h4xx0r
13:59	Ristovski	who here uses windows
13:59	Ristovski	harrison: yeah, totally 1337 h4x0r
13:59	harrison	siduction which is debian unstable++
13:59	* ruskie	listens to the crickets
13:59	Ristovski	harrison: Look! i can ddos google: ping -f google.com
13:59	VanessaE	dafull97: about 25 years or so
13:59	harrison	i am old and bitter
13:59	kahrl	Ristovski: it's only a ddos if you own a botnet
14:00	kahrl	:P
14:00	Ristovski	kahrl: No! i leet haxor!
14:00	thexyz	you need to do that from two machines
14:00	thexyz	your pc and a phone, for example
14:00	thexyz	then it's ddos
14:00	Ristovski	or my pc and a toaster
14:00	kahrl	or a dual core
14:00	Ristovski	:P
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14:01	ruskie	http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/05/08/11/1754253/the-netbsd-toaster <-- toaster is valid
14:01	Ristovski	http://www.bbspot.com/news/2008/12/linux-on-a-potato.html
14:01	Ristovski	even better
14:02	kahrl	oh wow
14:02	kahrl	how'd they root it?
14:02	Ristovski	VanessaE: What langs you code in?
14:02	Ristovski	kahrl: you fry it
14:02	Ristovski	kahrl: then the potato is r00ted
14:02	Ristovski	and delicious! *nomnomn-
14:03	VanessaE	Ristovski: over the years, BASIC, 6502 assembly, C, bash scripting, a tiny smattering of Python, Verilog, Lua, and a very tiny bit of C++
14:03	Ristovski	VanessaE: Not bad, which ones do you know the best?
14:04	* Ristovski	guesses assembly and C
14:04	VanessaE	Ristovski: BASIC, assembly, and Lua.
14:04	VanessaE	though I haven't touched the former two in ages
14:04	Ristovski	Ok, nice
14:05	VanessaE	these days it's all bash and Lua.
14:05	Ristovski	VanessaE: yeah, more and more stuff is in lua
14:06	Ristovski	VanessaE: By bash scripting i guess you use Linux? If so, what distro if I may ask
14:06	Evergreen	I know you were asking Vanessa, but I use Ubuntu + xfce
14:07	Ristovski	Evergreen: Your argument is invalid, Ubuntu is not a real distro
14:07	thexyz	why?
14:07	Ristovski	*doesnt want to start os/distro wars*
14:07	thexyz	you already did
14:07	Ristovski	Uh-oh
14:08	thexyz	i-it's not like i want to start distro war but your distro is not a real distro
14:08	thexyz	at least explain
14:08	* Ristovski	remains in silence
14:08	VanessaE	I use Linux, yes (Debian sid w/xfce)
14:08	Ristovski	I have debian sid as my secondary os
14:09	Ristovski	And then my taped together GFX driver stopped working
14:12	Ristovski	kahrl: Help! My friend just texted me that he reinstalled windows after his chrome stopped working, and now hes asking if he can RECOVER his games from the formatted drive
14:12	Ristovski	brb Ill kill him
14:12	VanessaE	oh jeez
14:13	Ristovski	VanessaE: exactly, and he wanted me to install linux for him
14:13	Ristovski	inb4 Ristovski spent 2 days in tty fixing broken gfx drivers
14:13	VanessaE	tell him to go buy a tablet
14:13	dafull97	VanessaE said: dafull97: about 25 years or so ; Wow that is amazing!
14:13	Ristovski	VanessaE: Tablet with Windows 8.1!
14:13	VanessaE	dafull97: it's not been the most productive of programming histories
14:14	VanessaE	Ristovski: oh G*d
14:14	dafull97	what is that meaning?
14:14	VanessaE	dafull97: I mean 25 years is a lot of time but I haven't produced all that much during that time
14:14	dafull97	VanessaE, ohh.... i have for 3 1/2 years going on 4
14:14	VanessaE	I've probably written more code in the last year than in the other 24 :)
14:15	dafull97	LOL, i made some programs in python, batch, and only a few webpagse
14:16	dafull97	im wanting to start a programming language like C/C++
14:16	Ristovski	VanessaE: Do you have a github? i would like to see your code
14:16	Ristovski	dafull97: first start C, then C++
14:16	VanessaE	I didn't count HTML in the list of languages since it's just a markup language, nor Javascript since I suck worse at it than at C++ :P
14:17	VanessaE	Ristovski: yes, https://github.com/VanessaE
14:17	kahrl	start a language? as in start designing it?
14:17	Ristovski	okaaay.. could have guessed that :P
14:17	VanessaE	all of what is there is Minetest-related
14:17	prestotron55	[deleted]
14:17	Ristovski	kahrl: yup! Lets mix brainfuck and VB
14:17	kahrl	sounds fun!
14:17	dafull97	yea, its a Markup Language
14:17	VanessaE	the remainder is at http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/index.html
14:18	VanessaE	(most of what is THERE is Commodore 64-related stuff, not Minetest)
14:18	dafull97	Ristovski, Why C First?
14:18	Ristovski	VanessaE: Nice Lua
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14:18	Ristovski	dafull97: you cant just start C++ first and then come back to C
14:18	Ristovski	C++ is C with classes
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14:21	dafull97	yes, i did some research for school on it... had write a 3 page paper
14:21	dafull97	we got to shoose what to write on
14:21	dafull97	it i knew C++ would i need C?
14:22	thexyz	you should start with C
14:22	pitriss	please can anybody tell me how much hp adds bushes:berry_pie_cooked ?:)
14:22	IceCraft	hi
14:22	thexyz	you can understand C, you can't understand C++
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14:23	VanessaE	pitriss: what, that mod still works?
14:24	pitriss	VanessaE: on landrush yes.. but.. maybe thats reason why i cant find it in sources:D
14:24	VanessaE	dafull97: but first, start by stocking up on hair restorer and weed :)
14:24	VanessaE	pitriss: it is/was part of Nature Pack
14:24	VanessaE	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=729
14:24	diemartin	YEY /home/diego/src/minetest/src/client.cpp:1869: void Client::ProcessData(irr::u8*, irr::u32, irr::u16): Assertion '!m_mesh_update_thread.IsRunning()' failed.
14:24	pitriss	VanessaE: thank you..
14:25	VanessaE	diemartin: that sounds like the error I get when I open the inventory too soon after connecting
14:25	diemartin	oops, that was longer than it seemed
14:25	thexyz	or not understand but "know"
14:25	* VanessaE	looks at the contents of that modpack...
14:26	VanessaE	I should import some of the orphaned stuff in that mod into Plantlife modpack
14:26	kahrl	Ristovski: I designed it! http://paste.dy.fi/B6c
14:26	diemartin	VanessaE, yup, except the game was running in the background this time; no inventory request, no movement, nothing
14:26	dafull97	VanessaE, or anyone conserned... what can you do with C++ that you cannot with C?
14:26	VanessaE	(maybe just the berry bushes)
14:27	Ristovski	kahrl: lol
14:27	diemartin	dafull97, overengineer a program :P
14:27	dafull97	overengineer? LOL
14:28	VanessaE	diemartin: "The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain."
14:28	VanessaE	one of my favorite movie quotes :)
14:28	diemartin	heh
14:29	dafull97	overenginner??
14:29	dafull97	what is that?
14:29	dafull97	LOLOLOL
14:29	diemartin	:I
14:29	VanessaE	"Laugh Out Loud Out Loud Out Loud...."
14:29	VanessaE	:-/
14:30	dafull97	VanessaE, hahaha whatever
14:30	VanessaE	hm, looking at nature pack...about all that's left that hasn't been absorbed into some other mod is the bushes mod.
14:31	thexyz	colon dash slash
14:31	VanessaE	I should just add that to plantlife modpack.
14:33	Ristovski	ecksdee
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14:54	OldCoder	If John of Minetest shows up tell him I am late for soccer... But may work with Zegaton later this weekend
14:54	OldCoder	c u
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15:39	VanessaE	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=112409#p112409
15:39	VanessaE	\o/
15:41	sfan5	!title
15:41	MinetestBot	sfan5: [Modpack] Plantlife [20130928] [plantlife] (Page 4) — Mod Releases — Minetest Forums
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16:20	Peacock	didn't have much of a choice in waking up - felt wet sandpaper in my ear, it was the cat XD
16:20	* prestotron55	is working on an operating system
16:20	Peacock	YALD - Yet Another Linux Distro lol
16:21	Peacock	then there's BALD - Beer and Linux Distro :P
16:21	us`0gb	My cat never wakes me up. She doesn't even hang out in my room very often.
16:22	Peacock	most of the time kitty is pretty independent, but when she wants something (attention, cookies, etc.) you don't really have a choice in the matter :P
16:23	VanessaE	one of mine likes to stay nearby and is a snuggler, the other can't help but climb onto my belly and start kneading every chance she gets :)
16:23	Peacock	my cat kneads too when she's about to settle in, we call it nesting lol
16:23	VanessaE	(the former has such a pleading, whiny "meow"..  "Oh G*d I'm soooo pathetic!" :D  )
16:23	us`0gb	It's cute when they kneed, but mine doesn't do it on laps.
16:24	Peacock	often mine jumps on the chair, squeezes her butt in and i have to scoot over and give her room to sit with me lol
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16:25	VanessaE	haha
16:25	us`0gb	My cat sort of purs and meows at the same time. It sounds like a rolling voice like how the Spanish roll their "r"s.
16:25	Peacock	the funniest is dinner, she bitches until we pull out a chair for her too, and she just sits at the table with us while we eat lol
16:30	us`0gb	We don't formally eat at the table. The table is actually under a pile of junk ...
16:30	us`0gb	Why is there a news.com.com? For that matter, why is there a com.com?
16:31	VanessaE	that's been around since...forever
16:33	Peacock	"Looking for a job as Hand of the King? come check us out at handjobs.com" there are tons of bad website names out there :P
16:34	Peacock	names/addresses
16:34	us`0gb	Bad addresses? Yeah, I know all about bad addresses. I have one myself.
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16:35	Peacock	http://mistupid.com/people/page081.htm
16:35	Peacock	Who Represents - whorepresents.com lol
16:36	Peacock	Experts Exchange - expertsexchange.com - lol
16:36	Peacock	or Pen Island - penisland.net
16:37	us`0gb	If you're going to get a sex change, you want it to be carried out by experts. Otherwise, it can get dangerous.
16:37	Peacock	apparently Zurich is the place to go for that lol
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16:45	Peacock	what a terrifying prospect: http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2013/09/28/jonathan-kay-diane-francis-plan-to-merge-canada-and-the-united-states-has-many-many-problems/?utm_source=dlvr.it&amp;utm_medium=twitter
16:46	sfan5	> ?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
16:46	sfan5	I hate it when people leave this at the end
16:46	VanessaE	that would be just insane.
16:46	Peacock	well its not like the address bar is long enough to notice it sfan :P
16:46	VanessaE	ruin Canada by merging with the US?  insane.
16:46	Peacock	vanessa it would never work
16:46	VanessaE	I wouldn't expect it to
16:47	VanessaE	Canada does too many things the *right* way
16:47	Peacock	Canada has gay marriage on the federal level, and no universal gun rights, the US is the opposite
16:47	Peacock	then what would happen to the health system here? people would never go for it
16:48	Calinou	sfan5: why? :P
16:48	Calinou	VanessaE: no, france does everything right of course!
16:48	* Calinou	gallops away
16:48	Ristovski	hello Calinou
16:48	Peacock	putting that French army training to use i see :P
16:48	sfan5	Calinou: why not
16:49	Calinou	hi Ristovski
16:49	Peacock	the other day my gov't anounce Stealth Snowmobiles lol next up, stealth canoes XD
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17:02	Khaaaaaaaaaaaan	well, this computers' HD is officially full to the brim lol
17:03	Khaaaaaaaaaaaan	going by the rule of 2, if 1.5tb ain't enough, i need to add 3tb lol
17:08	Evergreen	What on earth do you have on that hard drive?    I survived on an 80gb drive
17:08	Evergreen	With only 50 left after the OS
17:08	us`0gb	I used to survive on 20 GiB.
17:08	Khaaaaaaaaaaaan	i dont sleep much, so i read alot and watch alot of shows lol
17:09	markveidemanis	For me 5 is enough
17:09	Khaaaaaaaaaaaan	heck in 95 i had a netbook-sized laptop with a 400mb hd, which was fine until napster came along lol
17:09	* prestotron55	is working on a new OS, not a Linux Distro
17:09	Calinou	why?
17:09	* Evergreen	is doubtful
17:09	prestotron55	[deleted]
17:09	Khaaaaaaaaaaaan	dont ask lol
17:09	prestotron55	[deleted]
17:10	* us`0gb	's new OS *is* a GNU/Linux distro
17:10	prestotron55	[deleted]
17:10	Calinou	Evergreen: I have 256GB SSD and no HDD in my desktop
17:10	Calinou	no HDD noise :d
17:11	us`0gb	Oh, you mean you're *making* an operating system? My bad. I just install them.
17:11	Evergreen	Thank G*d for my 1tb external drive though.   :P
17:11	Khaaaaaaaaaaaan	ideally id like the next drive to be external and hopefully on wifi
17:12	Khaaaaaaaaaaaan	id love to stick the p4 in the spare room but still have access to all the same shows/movies/music from all PCs/laptop
17:14	Khaaaaaaaaaaaan	even vlc's own builtin streaming isn't that great
17:14	Khaaaaaaaaaaaan	XBMC's default player makes HD videos pretty pointless
17:15	zat1	So PilzAdam, you think it is a bug that privileges wont persist between logins?
17:16	PilzAdam	there is no bug in Minetest, since it works for everyone else
17:16	PilzAdam	I guess there are some file access issues or so
17:17	Khaaaaaaaaaaaan	*no such bug :P there are others
17:17	PilzAdam	nope, that are all features :-p
17:18	Khaaaaaaaaaaaan	lol i saw an image the other day
17:18	PilzAdam	me too!
17:19	Khaaaaaaaaaaaan	cant find it now :/ but it had two bugs, the second was dressed in a suit and had open source written under it lol
17:19	us`0gb	Was it transperentpixel.png?
17:21	Khaaaaaaaaaaaan	this is either a variant or the original http://files.myopera.com/freejerk/files/bug-feature.jpg
17:21	Evergreen	plol, so true
17:21	us`0gb	THat looks about right sometimes.
17:22	us`0gb	Like the bug that makes the screen jerk when you get damaged in lava.
17:23	us`0gb	Or the FIrefox bug that displays URI-encoded characters decoded in the address bar.
17:23	Khaaaaaaaaaaaan	sweet, done extracting, brb in #!
17:24	us`0gb	# <unit of time measurement>
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17:26	Peacock	why does freenode always say "invalid password" before ive actually authenticated?
17:26	us`0gb	It expects that you're *going* to send an invalid password, so it lets you know.
17:27	Peacock	i always get failed login attempt warnings too
17:27	Peacock	though xchat doesn't seem to have any settings for autologin
17:27	prestotron55	[deleted]
17:28	us`0gb	Peacock, I use XChat's auto-login feature. By that logic, I reason that XChat must have an autologin feature.
17:28	Peacock	where is it? the menus are kinda random
17:28	prestotron55	[deleted]
17:29	Peacock	i see proxy authentication, but no login tab anywhere in the settings
17:29	us`0gb	"XChat > Network List ...", choose the network, and click "Edit...".
17:29	us`0gb	Each network can use a different password, so it can't be in the general settings menu/
17:30	Peacock	oh wow, there was already something there, even though i never set one on #1
17:30	Peacock	*#!
17:30	us`0gb	I figured, ha ha.
17:31	dafull97	hey 0gb
17:31	Peacock	well that explains the warnings i kept getting lol
17:32	us`0gb	Hello, dafull97!
17:32	Calinou	hi dafull97 :)
17:33	dafull97	Hello Calinou, us `0gb
17:35	Peacock	jesus there are more textures here than i know what to do with lol
17:35	zat1	PilzAdam: how would you check there no file access issues? Also taking into account that creation, and modification of that file works for everything else.
17:37	dafull97	us '0gb, do you know how to revert changes on ubuntu? hahaa
17:37	us`0gb	What kind of changes?
17:38	Peacock	"Quebec sends thousands of duplicate welfare cheques" it's gonna be a good week for drug dealers and liquor stores lol
17:38	us`0gb	zat, the easiest way would be to recursively set the permissions yourself with chmod or something.
17:39	zat	they are fine us`0gb
17:39	us`0gb	I thought you were considering the possibility of issues. My bad.
17:40	zat	as I mentioned, if the game can correctly add users to the file (auth.txt) when they login for first time.
17:40	zat	and the game recognizes previously registered users... so access to that file *must* be working.
17:40	us`0gb	Okay, that's just odd then.
17:41	zat	the thing is... the game won’t take any news privileges I add to that file, for one user, with the server off.
17:41	Peacock	Oh wow, they arrested the leader of the greek pro-nazi Golden Shower party
17:41	zat	also, ingame granted privileges won’t persist between logins.
17:42	zat	although I do not know whether ingame granted privileges should or not persist...
17:43	us`0gb	They should.
17:43	zat	this is very strange then
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17:43	zat	and it happens in both my laptop and a server I set up yesterday on centos.
17:43	zat	both issues
17:44	Dan_D	I have a problem with GIMP- when I try to use save-as, there is no box to type in the desired name.
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17:44	Peacock	thats a feature
17:44	Dan_D	It was there a couple of minutes ago
17:45	Peacock	the designers decided that choosing a name taxes the masses too much
17:45	us`0gb	Back to bugs and features - it's intentional, but it's a bug.
17:45	zat	Peacock: GIMP for the masses? eh...
17:45	Peacock	GIMP is more for the masses than blender is :P
17:45	Peacock	though i hate that save/export change they made
17:45	zat	agree
17:46	Peacock	save should save an image file, and Save Project should be what save currently does
17:46	Dan_D	But how to get the box back? It just disappeared.
17:46	Peacock	file a bug report, in 12 to 18 months there should be a fix
17:46	Peacock	just dont turn off your computer until then XD
17:47	Dan_D	It just re-appeared... and at the same time a bird flew into my window... odd.
17:47	us`0gb	Or save, downgrade, then open and save as.
17:47	us`0gb	Okay, odd.
17:48	us`0gb	I don't know what version of GIMP I'm using (I just use the preinstalled one) but it keeps the image name field. It's a little outdated I guess, but it's an image editor, it doesn't need to be bleeding edge.
17:48	zat	Actually, save/export differentiation makes more sense... I want to save my work in a way it will be further workable, hence the word save. Export to output its current state in a normally plain/raster graphic.
17:49	Peacock	i prefer slightly outdated has the bugs are usually more or less taken care of by that time
17:49	Peacock	*as
17:51	Peacock	these days i dont even update VLC unless im sure i have the .deb for the last version lol
17:52	us`0gb	Save as .xcf then.
17:53	dafull97	how to find your own mac address  in Xubuntu?
17:53	dafull97	VanessaE, us `0gb ^^
17:54	Peacock	network manager
17:54	dafull97	thx
17:55	Peacock	if it's somehow hidden (havent used network-manager in a awhile) then macchanger is another app that'll give it to you easily
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17:55	us`0gb	dafull97, If you try to alert me, it doesn't work if you put a space in my name. My client won't recognize it as me.
17:55	VanessaE	or just open a terminal, ifconfig -a, find your interface in the list, and the MAC access will be there ("hwaddr")
17:56	dafull97	oh i thought there was a space? sorry haha
17:56	us`0gb	No worries. IRC names can't have spaces though.
17:56	dafull97	ohh, ok hahaha
17:56	dafull97	brb have check mail
17:57	us`0gb	Valid characters are alphanemerics and `^_-{}[]\|
17:57	us`0gb	I might have missed a couple.
17:59	Peacock	*alphanumerics
17:59	Peacock	alpha=alphabet, numeric = numerals :P
18:00	Peacock	(etymology is fun) :P
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18:05	Niften	Hi
18:08	us`0gb	Hello!
18:08	us`0gb	Peacock, http://xkcd.com/1010/
18:09	nore	has anyone a problem with the wiki? http://wiki.minetest.net
18:09	nore	it looks like css are missing or something like that for me for most of the pages
18:10	us`0gb	The CSS is intact on my end.
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18:10	zat	nore: http://i.imgur.com/WHDN6.png
18:11	nore	perhaps it is not the css, but it is not like a normal wiki
18:11	zat	nore: define normal wiki... looking like wikipedia?
18:11	us`0gb	nore, screenshot.
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18:13	nore	http://nore.mesecons.net/bug.png
18:13	nore	I don't get that with special pages such as recent changes
18:14	prestotron55	[deleted]
18:14	zat	Looks like old Firefox or CSS fail
18:14	us`0gb	nore, it does seem a chunk of the CSS is missing for you.
18:15	prestotron55	[deleted]
18:15	nore	why does recent_changes work then, while it is like that for most of the pages?
18:15	prestotron55	[deleted]
18:15	us`0gb	prestotron55, no, I *use* a few distros, not hove one. It was a miscommunication.
18:15	us`0gb	*have
18:15	prestotron55	[deleted]
18:16	us`0gb	I'm on Trisquel at the moment.
18:16	prestotron55	[deleted]
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18:17	sfan5	<prestotron55> Wikipedia is in fact MediaWiki so a "normal wiki" is MediaWiki, not Wikipedia. (Epic truth)
18:17	sfan5	epic truth? what?
18:17	prestotron55	[deleted]
18:18	us`0gb	sfan5, happens to me all the time.
18:18	nore	sfan5: do you know what the bug is? http://nore.mesecons.net/bug.png
18:19	sfan5	no
18:19	nore	it happens for almost all pages on wiki.minetest.net
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18:21	zat	what is your Firefox version nore?
18:21	dafull97_	VanessaE, and us`0gb my cuzins client wont connect to any server?
18:21	nore	iceweasel in debian jessie
18:21	zat	what version?
18:21	us`0gb	THat's odd. WHat server?
18:21	prestotron55	[deleted]
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18:22	zat	nore: tell me the numeric version of the browser
18:22	zat	better would be the version of gecko
18:22	us`0gb	Oh, sorry, misread.
18:22	nore	Mozilla Iceweasel 17.0.8
18:22	dafull97_	any server, my server... VanessaE's yours...
18:23	us`0gb	dafull97_, what Minetest version?
18:23	us`0gb	Get 0.4.7 for most servers or the unstable version for VanessaE's server.
18:23	zat	nore: sounds old, does it happen with a different browser?
18:24	dafull97_	from .zip on the website /minetest-0.4.7/
18:24	us`0gb	Hmm. Are there any error messages?
18:24	us`0gb	Can your friend access web pages and such?
18:26	nore	no bug with konqueror...
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18:26	dafull97_	runing it again, i get errors in the prompt
18:26	us`0gb	Nore with Abrowser, which is basically Firefox.
18:27	us`0gb	*Nor, not Nor, my bad.
18:27	us`0gb	*Nor, not Nore
18:27	us`0gb	WHat errors though?
18:31	STHGOM	I'm looking for someone on minetest, has anyone seen dinisfp or someone with a name like it recently?
18:32	zat	me no
18:35	dafull97_	us`0gb, here it is
18:36	dafull97_	14:33:44: ERROR[main]: Access denied. Reason: Your client's version is not suppo rted. 14:33:44: ERROR[main]: Server version is 0.4.7, 14:33:44: ERROR[main]: server's PROTOCOL_VERSION (strict) is 21, client's PROTOC OL_VERSION is 13...20 Could not open file of texture:
18:36	us`0gb	That means the server is running the unstable version. Try a different server.
18:37	us`0gb	Or as Vanessa recommends, compile the unstable client.
18:37	dafull97_	that was my server
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18:38	dafull97_	i accidently deleted the server last night
18:38	hanny	hello
18:38	dafull97_	by, sudeo apt-get remove minetestc55
18:38	us`0gb	Hello!
18:38	dafull97_	anyway, i added the ppa to my server
18:38	us`0gb	dafull97, are you using the PPA?
18:38	dafull97_	and installed again
18:38	dafull97_	yes
18:38	us`0gb	Okay, which? Can you post it?
18:39	us`0gb	You might be using the unstable PPA.
18:39	dafull97_	yea, hold on
18:39	us`0gb	If you use the unstable PPA, a lot of people won't be able to connect to your server, myself included.
18:39	dafull97_	=0.4.7 is the version
18:40	us`0gb	The stable and unstable version both say 0.4.7, unfortunately. Post the PPA address, not the Minetest version.
18:41	dafull97_	ok one sec, i didnt know if that would hlp, sorry =D
18:41	us`0gb	Or actually ... try to create a new world. Does it let you choose a map generator?
18:41	us`0gb	(For example, v6 is a map generator.)
18:41	dafull97_	https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/daily-builds
18:41	dafull97_	there it is
18:41	us`0gb	Okay, that's the unstable version.
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18:42	dafull97_	crap!
18:42	STHGOM	accually minetest can resolve any server
18:42	us`0gb	Basically, most people won't be able to connect.
18:42	dafull97_	ok so uninstall and reinstall
18:42	dafull97_	haha
18:42	dafull97_	using the stable build?
18:42	us`0gb	You'd have to uninstall the PPA too, and I don't know how to do that.
18:43	dafull97_	etc/apt/sources.list
18:43	dafull97_	haha
18:43	dafull97_	nano it
18:46	us`0gb	Okay, change "daily-builds" to "stable" then.
18:46	us`0gb	Then uninstall, apt-get update, and reinstall.
18:46	dafull97_	yea
18:49	us`0gb	Doing that will make youunable to reach Vanessa's server though, just to be clear. She likes to be bleeding edge. Not that I blame her. I stick with the stable version for compatibility, but I like the bleeding edge client.
18:51	dafull97_	so, wait? haha
18:52	us`0gb	I'd switch to the stable version now if you are running a server. I just want you to know what doing so means, so you don't run into problems later.
18:57	dafull97_	ok, now it loads ok.. loads half through the media, dont load anymore
18:57	us`0gb	It could be a time out. Try relogging it.
18:57	us`0gb	*in
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19:01	dafull97_	never mind, i cleared cahce so took a sec
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19:04	us`0gb	Okay, good.
19:04	codehero	how do you change the maximum viewing range?
19:04	codehero	+ and - just change the minimum
19:06	Calinou	codehero: viewing_range_nodes_max = N
19:06	Calinou	N is value (in nodes)
19:07	codehero	okay thank you ^^
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19:13	MinetestBot	GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Lower the default max_users from 100 to 15 372d638ec1 2013-09-28T12:09:52-07:00 http://git.io/bTcMew
19:13	Peacock	you know you're in for a long copy-paste when the dialogue stays on "Collecting Files" for two minutes XD
19:16	dafull97	thx, us`0gb
19:18	us`0gb	Yeah, no problem.
19:21	dafull97	us`0gb, are you Experianced in Xubuntu/Graphics?
19:22	us`0gb	I used to use Xubuntu, I can probably help. What do you mean by graphics though? Graphic editing?
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19:22	Peacock	finally got around to purging PA lol
19:22	us`0gb	"PA"?
19:22	PilzAdam	D:
19:22	Peacock	removing PulseAudio, not sending PilzAdam to a gulag :P
19:23	Peacock	or a political re-reducation camp (if that's what theyre called now) :P
19:23	us`0gb	WHat do you use instead of PulseAudio now?
19:23	Peacock	pure alsa baby
19:24	Peacock	i was testing sfx i had downloaded and it was soo "grinchy" i finally said fuck it lol
19:24	Peacock	a 7 year old tower and a 1 year old tower and pulse sucks on both lol
19:24	dafull97	us`0gb, no i mean like graphics in game, at night only i have black lines acroos screen
19:25	us`0gb	Hmm. I wouldn't know how to fix that, sorry. Only at night though? You could try turning up your monitor brightness and see if that helps.
19:26	us`0gb	Or turn it down, but that'll make it hard to see in caves.
19:26	Peacock	brightness/contrast issue probably
19:30	dafull97	it has lines leading to like corner of blocks, not like alot of them like 4-5 everywhere i turn?
19:30	Peacock	got a screen?
19:32	MinetestBot	GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: Add --version option 5dce44ec5e 2013-09-28T12:30:17-07:00 http://git.io/U0vciA
19:32	MinetestBot	GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: Remove doc/gpl-2.0.txt, add doc/lgpl-2.1.txt f0edd88dff 2013-09-28T12:30:17-07:00 http://git.io/vBHgRQ
19:32	MinetestBot	GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: Show git hash in version string at top left corner of window 8bc7ea61b9 2013-09-28T12:30:17-07:00 http://git.io/AdZeMA
19:33	kahrl	woohoo bot spam
19:33	* us`0gb	waits on pins and needles for two particular commits
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20:01	dafull97	anybody has the jail mod?
20:02	VanessaE	no, no one has that.  no one would EVER have THAT.
20:02	VanessaE	:P
20:03	dafull97	i have it :P
20:03	Peacock	people usually go straight for a ban
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20:03	ShadowNinja	I have one that I wrote myself.
20:03	Peacock	though a debtors' jail in combination with the economy mods would probably make sense
20:04	dafull97	i have jail, 2 jails then ban
20:04	ShadowNinja	Yes, I usually ban.
20:05	Peacock	didnt see much of a point in a jail myself since trying to grief your way out resulted in a ban anyway lol
20:05	us`0gb	I'm still trying to find a way to not need to ban ... I guess I'm too idealistic.
20:05	Peacock	for the kind of players MT and MC gets, yes
20:07	dafull97	i like jails, but 2 jails temp ban then 1 jail and perm ban
20:07	Peacock	depending on the kind of culture of the people joining your server, either they intentionally want to grief, or grow frustrated at their lousy building skills and want to destroy shit, either way, ban is handy :P
20:07	dafull97	also depends on what they do haha
20:08	Peacock	as well as frequent backups
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20:08	Niften	hello
20:09	jojoa1997	hi
20:09	Niften	Does anyone know if there's an actual implemented engine system for LUA?
20:09	Niften	Er
20:09	us`0gb	Hello!
20:09	Niften	*biome system
20:09	Niften	Hey 0gb
20:09	Peacock	no yet
20:10	us`0gb	I'm told it's not in the works either.
20:10	Niften	That's disappointing :c
20:10	Peacock	not? ive been hearing about it for so long i thought it was
20:10	Niften	Maybe the community (us) should make a biome framework?
20:10	Niften	Well
20:10	Niften	There are SOME biome stuffs in the engine
20:10	Niften	I've seen it
20:10	Niften	:p
20:10	us`0gb	The community want it, but don't understand how hard it is for the developers to implement that.
20:10	Niften	minetest.register_biome("etc")
20:10	Peacock	mandelboxes might be cool but we need a more customizable mapgen, and the ability of multiple instances of it :P
20:11	Niften	true
20:11	Niften	maybe we should make a mod for that?
20:11	us`0gb	THere's a minetest.register_biome() now?
20:11	Peacock	ogb: simple, no one dev has taken a personal interest in doing it, its that simple :P
20:11	Niften	i think so 0bg
20:11	Niften	I've seen it in a few mods
20:11	Peacock	-simple
20:12	Peacock	though if youre really interested
20:12	Peacock	take a look at paragen, and how you might throw in a register_biome there
20:12	Niften	MT needs way more biomes
20:12	Niften	there's like, 3?
20:12	Calinou	desert, normal
20:12	Calinou	that's 2
20:12	Niften	what about the ocean :D
20:12	Calinou	ocean is not a biome by definition
20:12	Niften	true
20:12	Calinou	mods can add biomes
20:12	Niften	they can?
20:13	Peacock	well an ocean biome would basically be large bodies of water with a few small islands
20:13	Calinou	yeah
20:13	us`0gb	Forest, plains, ocean (if you count it), desert, beach ...
20:13	Peacock	but,
20:13	Calinou	see Splizard's "snow" mod
20:13	Calinou	they can be slow
20:13	Niften	I saw that
20:13	Niften	but
20:13	Calinou	us`0gb: forest and plains are indirect biomes
20:13	Calinou	they are not considered as biomes in the code :P
20:13	Peacock	plains, valleys, rainforest, deciduous forest, desert, savannah, etc.
20:13	us`0gb	Jungles if you have them enabled.
20:13	Niften	that basically places snow nodes
20:13	Calinou	I read "delicious forest"
20:13	Peacock	snow could be split into arctic and tundra
20:13	Peacock	i love delicious forests
20:13	Niften	ikr calinou xD
20:14	us`0gb	Forests are delicious. We all know it.
20:14	Peacock	plateaus
20:14	Peacock	mountains (real mountains, not cones/stretched spheres)
20:14	Niften	but seriously
20:14	Niften	mt needs more biomes
20:14	Niften	like, real biomes.
20:14	Peacock	to do that, we need to be able to register them for the default mapgen, and not some lua mapgen :P
20:15	Niften	wait
20:15	Peacock	even with lvm, paragen is too slow to run on my server
20:15	Niften	before we do anything
20:15	Niften	is c++ mapgen compatible with lua codes?
20:15	Peacock	default mod /mapgen.lua, take a look
20:15	Niften	ik
20:15	Niften	im wondering how they defined the desert
20:16	Niften	i dont think the desert is in /mapgen.lua
20:16	Niften	more of an engine implement, right?
20:16	Peacock	from mapgen.lua you can control some basic things like concentration, size, height
20:16	us`0gb	I don't know. "grep mapgen_desert_stone *"
20:16	Niften	not what nodes appear in a biome
20:16	Niften	0bg
20:16	Niften	what line?
20:17	us`0gb	What line is what?
20:17	Niften	in mapgen.lua, what line is "grep mapgen_desert_stone *"
20:17	us`0gb	That's not a line, it's a command for finding the lines.
20:17	Niften	oh
20:17	Niften	my bad
20:17	Niften	got confused xD
20:17	us`0gb	No worries.
20:18	Niften	imo mt looks pretty blank..
20:18	Niften	i made a mod that makes grass spawn more frequently
20:18	Niften	that should be added to the default mt
20:18	Niften	idk
20:18	us`0gb	Most of it is handled in Lua. If you think it looks blank, check out my game when it comes out. It will be packed.
20:19	Niften	I mean the grass nodes (not grassblocks) they don't spawn that frequently. I made a mod that has it so that they spawn more frequently which certainly livens things up..
20:19	Niften	just regular grass nodes
20:20	us`0gb	Yeah, I understand. That's something I should add, tall grass.
20:20	Niften	already did :D
20:20	us`0gb	Though not yet, I'm working on lava right now.
20:20	Niften	only like, 4 nodes.
20:20	Niften	0bg
20:21	us`0gb	I mean add it to my game. My game doesn't have the default stuff.
20:21	Niften	Oh.
20:21	Niften	Wait.
20:21	Niften	You're starting from scratch..?
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20:21	us`0gb	I'm rebuilding the game by hand. From scratch. I'm taking minetest_game's sounds, but all else will be new.
20:21	Niften	impressive
20:22	Niften	can I help? :D
20:22	us`0gb	It'll take time though. I also have homework and paid work.
20:22	us`0gb	Help how?
20:22	Niften	I could do textures
20:22	Niften	and some code
20:22	Niften	c:
20:23	us`0gb	You have no idea how awesome that would be. I suck at textures, and my current nodes do not look good.
20:23	Niften	I have a team of artists :D
20:23	Niften	I can also do pretty good textures
20:23	Niften	and, I'm also making a game.
20:23	Niften	With engine modifications.
20:23	Niften	Built off mt
20:24	us`0gb	And to top it off, there will be a lot of nodes. The official goal is 2000+ nodes, but the real goal is 4093 nodes. SO lots to do.
20:24	us`0gb	*So
20:24	Niften	dang
20:24	us`0gb	Yeah. It'll take a while.
20:24	Niften	mmhmm
20:25	Niften	hmm.
20:25	Niften	ill look into biome implementation
20:25	Niften	(better biomes)
20:26	us`0gb	Awesome. I'll do some experimenting with trees when I have time. Some biomes might have unique trees and shrubs.
20:26	Niften	wait.
20:26	Niften	0bg
20:26	Niften	here's a line I made to make grass spawn more frequently
20:26	Niften	local grass_amount = math.floor(perlin1:get2d({x=x0, y=z0}) ^ 1 * 144)
20:26	Niften	try that
20:26	Niften	its ugly but works
20:27	Niften	put the game on github we'll work on it there
20:28	us`0gb	The game isn't even far enough allong to put on Github yet. As soon as I get the C++ hooks implemented.
20:28	us`0gb	I've added that line to my notes.
20:28	Niften	mm
20:28	Niften	alright.
20:28	Niften	oh
20:28	Niften	idea
20:29	Peacock	this one's englaisse is top notch: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7324
20:29	Niften	do you know how to use blender?
20:29	Niften	does anyone?
20:29	us`0gb	"All Mods The Minecraft. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D"
20:29	Niften	xD
20:29	Peacock	lets go frieds - play with my iten drods
20:29	us`0gb	I've never tried Blender.
20:30	Niften	because minetest is boring without mobs :c
20:30	Niften	i saw sapier's
20:30	Niften	so im using that temporarily
20:30	Niften	but i was looking into rebuilding an animals mod
20:30	Peacock	alternatively, minetest is nearly unplayable with mobs
20:30	Niften	better one with better AI
20:30	Niften	peacock it is but it would be extremely boring
20:31	Peacock	meh, mt is first and foremost a building game, having things to kill is secondary
20:31	us`0gb	Ah, mobs. THose are outside the scope of what I'm doing myself, but that would be cool to add to the game.
20:31	Niften	peacock
20:31	us`0gb	But nothing too destructive.
20:31	Niften	i know
20:31	Niften	like, i was thinking pigs and cows.
20:31	Niften	you know what im saying right?
20:31	Niften	like, apples being the only food source is kind of stupid..
20:32	Peacock	why add cows to the game when there are plenty on the chat?
20:32	us`0gb	Yeah ... I'm not sure how livestock would enhance the game though.
20:32	Peacock	(kidding :P)
20:32	Niften	peacock <3
20:32	Niften	0bg
20:32	Niften	it would alot
20:33	Peacock	the farming mod could eventually use livestock, but done in a non-laggy way
20:33	us`0gb	There's no harm in trying it. Minecraft does livestock wrong and I've never seen a good implementation of livestock in Minetest either. But that doesn't mean a good implementation of it is impossible.
20:33	us`0gb	But it would take work.
20:33	Peacock	i dont know why mobs are so slow
20:33	Peacock	its either the movement or the AI involved
20:34	us`0gb	I'm not even talking about the slowness.
20:34	Peacock	if you can call it an AI
20:34	us`0gb	Oh, it's artificial alright. I can tell.
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20:34	Niften_	sorry guys i crashed
20:34	Niften_	did i miss anything?
20:35	us`0gb	Hold on. I'mm PM you to avoid spamming the channel.
20:35	Niften_	alright
20:36	Niften_	thats why we need to make a good implementation of livestock
20:36	us`0gb	Because no one else has it?
20:36	us`0gb	That sounds like a plan.
20:36	Niften_	no, because there's no good implementation.
20:36	Niften_	xD
20:37	Niften_	alright.
20:37	Niften_	lets do this :D
20:37	Niften_	ugh
20:37	Niften_	forgot
20:37	Niften_	we need a blender animator
20:37	Niften_	and, 0bg, when this finishes we can put the animals to our forks
20:37	us`0gb	Our forks of what?
20:38	Niften_	your game
20:38	Niften_	and my game
20:39	us`0gb	Okay. What do you want to call it? For example, the default two are "minetest" and "minimal".
20:40	* kahrl	puts the pork to his fork
20:40	kahrl	sorry vegetarians if that offends you :P
20:40	Niften_	0bg
20:41	Niften_	our fork?
20:41	us`0gb	Our game.
20:42	Niften_	ah
20:42	Niften_	Hmm.
20:42	Niften_	I'm going to bring this into the PM to avoid spamming chat
20:43	us`0gb	Oops ... I accidentally stole someone's Jack in the Box receipt ...
20:43	Niften_	uh oh
20:43	Niften_	*stole*
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20:44	Peacock	have a Jack In The Maze instead
20:44	Peacock	http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5246/5344907315_da264088d6_o.jpg
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20:47	Peacock	nore was that user account created on the forum or on git?
20:47	nore	on the wiki
20:47	nore	http://wiki.minetest.net/Special:RecentChanges
20:48	Peacock	well at least theyre just looking at the concepts and not copy pasting the entirety of the code from GH
20:48	Evergreen	WEll, what good would lua code and c code be to them?   :P
20:49	Peacock	but when you reverse engineer everything about MC and even copy the look and rules of MC, you have to expect they'll borrow-back some ideas too
20:49	Evergreen	Also a question, do the minecraft developers know about the existence of minetest?
20:49	Peacock	probably yeah
20:50	Peacock	some of our dumber users shamelessly advertised MT on their forums lol
20:50	Peacock	which honestly is a dick thing to do when theyre trying to sell a game and you're there giving away free samples lol
20:51	Peacock	not sure the reverse would be tolerated though
20:53	Niften_	back
20:54	Niften_	hello
20:54	Evergreen	I wish people wouldn't spam minecraft with minetest crap, that's probably the worst place to advertise
20:54	Peacock	evergreen it would explain the high number of pure griefers we get lol
20:54	us`0gb	Yeah ... especially because of the type of people it brings here.
20:55	Evergreen	So true
20:55	Niften_	ikr evergreen, gives mt a bad reputation also.
20:55	Peacock	for a while someone was hitting their chat every day with MT stuff, and one of their admins would have to come here and beg us to do something about it lol
20:55	us`0gb	People here want the game to become MORE Minecraft-like, and part of it is that Minecrafters are being recruited.
20:55	Peacock	broke minecrafters yeah
20:56	Peacock	who if they had the choice, would rather play MC, but the next best thing is to turn this into MC
20:56	dafull97	us`0gb come my server? =D
20:56	Peacock	and people have the audacity to complain when MC copies a couple of our concepts lol
20:56	Evergreen	I think minecraft has one of the dumbest user bases ever (aside from admins and such)
20:56	Peacock	well neither game seperates the kids from the adults
20:57	us`0gb	I don't have a whole lot of time before I need to go into work, and I do have a lot that needs to be done first. Sorry, but maybe when I get back at about 9 PM PST.
20:57	Evergreen	I have seen plenty of smart younger people on the forums
20:57	Peacock	kids have a tendency of breaking the rules and bullshitting their way out of punishment, and they're surprised to find out it only works with their own parents
20:57	us`0gb	Some of the younger people are writing scripts too, which is so cool.
20:57	Evergreen	Thankfully, there aren't too many of them around here.
20:58	us`0gb	Sure, Lua is easy, but still. They put in the time to try it out.
20:58	Peacock	not all kids are the same obviously :P but there are more immature kids than there are mature ones
20:58	Evergreen	Usually, the ones like that don't survive long around here anyway
20:58	Evergreen	I think minetest has a pretty darn good user base.
20:58	Niften_	true
20:59	Evergreen	Not lrage, but good
20:59	Evergreen	*large
20:59	Peacock	thats why my server's whitelist has five entries on it :P (sarcasm)
20:59	Niften_	anyone heard of prestotron502
20:59	Peacock	dont ping him
20:59	Peacock	lol
20:59	Evergreen	Yes, he was on an hour or so ago
20:59	Evergreen	maybe sooner
20:59	Niften_	he's one of the biggest liars ever.
21:00	Peacock	protastereon - im making a game - im on the core dev team - im making an OS, that one?
21:00	Niften_	yeah.
21:00	Peacock	annoying as fuck lol
21:00	Niften_	lol
21:00	Niften_	yeah
21:00	Peacock	i have a feeling weve seen him around before under another name
21:00	Peacock	the most annoying users all seem to have the same personality and writing style lol
21:01	Niften_	true
21:01	Niften_	prestotron502 cant do anything lol
21:01	dafull97	us`0gb, ok thanks!
21:01	Peacock	well he's not the only/first one who's all talk lol
21:01	Evergreen	My main handicap is: I start something then never finish it
21:01	Evergreen	That's why I love collabs
21:01	Peacock	in fact, the law of inverse relevance states, the more people talk about doing something, the less they plan on doing anything
21:02	Niften_	evergreen
21:02	Evergreen	y u ping me?     :P
21:02	Niften_	we're working on a better biome implementation system
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21:02	Niften_	hi nekogloop
21:02	Peacock	when will NekoGloopMkIII be ready?
21:03	us`0gb	So if I talk about installing Minecraft all the time then I don't have to actually do it?
21:03	Niften_	technically speaking, yes
21:03	NekoGloopMkII	Peacock, during the holiday season, so you can buy your kids one :3
21:04	Peacock	kids? why would i want kids? lol
21:04	NekoGloopMkII	to eat them, of course
21:04	Peacock	noisy, spoiled, wretched creatures - children should be seen and not heard, and preferably not seen
21:04	codehero	hmmm. for some reasond minetest doesn't want to download the maps from servers
21:05	Peacock	restart and reconnect
21:05	NekoGloopMkII	unplug your computer
21:05	NekoGloopMkII	toss it out
21:05	Peacock	and pour marmalade on it
21:05	NekoGloopMkII	clearly there's a virus on it
21:06	codehero	of course
21:06	Peacock	have you tried submerging it in water?
21:06	Peacock	ittl clean the cache XD
21:06	codehero	show me a linux virus that can do that :P
21:06	codehero	especially one for arch
21:06	NekoGloopMkII	People seem to think linux is virus-free
21:06	Peacock	you know why there are no linux viruses right? you can't break what's already broken XD (jk)
21:07	NekoGloopMkII	You can break what's already broken
21:07	NekoGloopMkII	that's why there -are- linux viruses
21:07	NekoGloopMkII	take this stick for example.
21:07	* NekoGloopMkII	breaks it over codehero's head
21:07	NekoGloopMkII	Now, it is broken
21:07	codehero	hahaha :P
21:07	NekoGloopMkII	But I take one of the pieces...
21:07	* NekoGloopMkII	snaps it in half
21:07	Peacock	true, you should see how many pieces my last printer ended up when it started chewing up paper lol
21:07	codehero	yeah there was some banking virus for linux
21:08	NekoGloopMkII	And now what's broken is broken again.
21:08	codehero	you had to install it yoursef. wasn't very successful
21:08	Peacock	there's the pulseaudio virus which ruins your sound XD
21:09	Evergreen	While there are viruses for linux, they are mostly targeted at companies, not home users
21:09	Peacock	the unity/gnome3 virus that turns your desktop into a fischer price tablet
21:09	Evergreen	Plol
21:09	codehero	really. sounds funny
21:10	Peacock	and the ubuntu lense virus that sends an inventory of your pron folder to shuttleworth
21:10	codehero	well. i only install software from trustworthy sources so i won't have that sort of fun :P
21:10	Peacock	(when people talk about online privacy, its mostly about the pron) XD
21:10	Evergreen	Plus, if you know the rule, all it can do is harm your home directory
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21:11	codehero	yeah. just delete the home folder and you're good to go
21:13	codehero	okay it works. the server just didn't want
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21:27	dafull97	us`ogb, you there?
21:28	dafull97	`us`0gb you there?
21:29	Peacock	* us`0gb has quit
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21:37	dafull97	Peacock, really?
21:37	Peacock	says so in the log lol
21:37	Peacock	i think he had to go to work
21:37	Peacock	Jack Off in the Box or something like that :P
21:37	dafull97	ohh, well anyone on that case... HAHA...
21:38	dafull97	has anyone used the "currency" mod?
21:38	VanessaE	my server has it.
21:40	dafull97	Really? well how do i use the shop... to me it is confusing ;/
21:41	Peacock	shops on my server are pretty simple, left-click buy right-click sell
21:42	Peacock	each shelf item is a single type of node so you can actually fill up a store and have a display type thing going on
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21:42	dafull97	this looks really simple... https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2263
21:44	VanessaE	I don't know how to use the currency mod except that this ^^^^^^ is more complicated than currency
21:44	Peacock	store looks like a safe when it should look more like a vending machine
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21:48	dafull97	:/ Peacock, that kinda true :/
21:48	MinetestBot	GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Add set_name(), set_count(), set_wear() and set_metadata() to Lua ItemStack a9c0961e0c 2013-09-28T14:46:48-07:00 http://git.io/ubeOqw
21:48	MinetestBot	GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Allow to manually specify param2 in minetest.item_place() and return success 731392866f 2013-09-28T14:46:48-07:00 http://git.io/uhKIzA
21:48	MinetestBot	GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest_game: Use 6d facedir to place upside down slabs and stairs 3804d8a078 2013-09-28T14:45:28-07:00 http://git.io/VHF9dg
21:49	dafull97	VanessaE, can help me?
21:49	VanessaE	not really, n
21:49	VanessaE	no*
21:52	dafull97	;?
21:52	dafull97	;/
21:54	Evergreen	PilzAdam: Can you do the same thing with logs that you did with slabs and stairs?
21:54	PilzAdam	maybe
21:56	Evergreen	I want horizontal logs
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22:02	MinetestBot	GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest_game: Longer range and insta-dig in creative e547d279ab 2013-09-28T14:52:59-07:00 http://git.io/73Yebw
22:09	VanessaE	bbl
22:09	Peacock	moretrees has them, theyre just seperate nodes
22:10	VanessaE	Peacock: no.
22:10	VanessaE	6dfacedir.
22:11	Peacock	nein? i must have older version
22:11	VanessaE	and there's an abm in there to convert from the old version that did.
22:11	Peacock	thats probably why lol im just too lazy to update
22:11	Peacock	if this is a duplicate post, might as well trash https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7325
22:12	VanessaE	out ->
22:19	paramat	Captain Peacock, paragen may be too slow for a server, but to speed it up: define node ids outside ongen function, trees by LVM, use new faster perlin functions. I have to learn the 3rd but the first 2 are done, here's how far i got last night: http://www.mediafire.com/download/zlodesj6elnyz6o/paragen020lvmparamat.zip
22:23	dafull97	VanessaE, where do i go to let new players start with items
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22:38	paramat	Peacock, also you can reduce the number of octaves in the perlin noises, terrain will have less detail though
22:38	dafull97	VanessaE, where do i go to let new players start with items
22:39	ShadowNinja	paramat: Do you plan on adding LuaVoxelManip support to your mods?
22:42	paramat	Peacock, octa1 and octa2 = 6. octa3 and octa4 = 5. octa 5, octa6 and octa7 = 2. Try that :)
22:42	paramat	ShadowNinja, thats what we're doing lol :)
22:43	ShadowNinja	:-)
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22:45	ShadowNinja	paramat: Can you use git for your minor updates rather than just pushing releases to it? That way there would be some useful history.
22:49	zat	Buy a sticker of a strong man looking inside a Caribbean vagina!! http://www.bulkyboy.com/shopbb/product.php?productid=16246
22:49	paramat	i've just started pushing paragen 0.2.0 (non-LVM) to git more often, to back it up, but they're all called 0.2.0, just different commit messages
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22:55	paramat	so yes good idea i intend to B)
23:01	dafull97	how do i get to give the new players only items when they start?
23:01	Menche	set "give_initial_stuff" to true
23:10	Peacock	oups sorry paramat was scrubbing out the bathtub before happy hour commences (cuz i sure as hell won't feel like it afterwards XD)
23:10	Peacock	and yes, i defined the nodes outside the ongen functions, i disable the tree functions because for some reason they were spawning way above and w/ no leaves
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23:13	Peacock	i was getting this weird "trying to replace content_ignore" warning this afternoon, though that seem to stop when i disabled trees, so im not sure what i fucked up there :/
23:16	kaeza	Peacock, maybe "trying to place CONTENT_IGNORE to replace <node> ad x,y,z" ?
23:16	kaeza	at*
23:17	Peacock	yeah something like that lol
23:17	PilzAdam	it usually means you misstyped a nodename
23:17	Peacock	well im using get content id
23:19	kaeza	if you misstype a node, I believe get_content_id() returns a suitable "nope" value e.g. the id for ignore or nil, not sure which one
23:19	paramat	yeah i found lots of bugs last night in paragen, i think one was that, just pushed it to git.
23:20	Peacock	i'd look first in the paragen-tree functions, since disabling that did it for me
23:24	paramat	aha ... (perhaps), have you added node.id definitions for tree, jungletree, jungleleaves, sleaf, pleaf?
23:24	dafull97	us`0gb here?
23:25	Peacock	not really since the trees are defined in outside functions
23:25	codehero	VanessaE> may i have interact permission on your survival server?
23:27	dafull97	Peacock
23:27	Peacock	Yes Mrs Slocombe?
23:27	dafull97	can you help? - after server shutdown, i was about to startup and this came up:
23:27	dafull97	--worldname takes precedence over previously selected world.
23:27	dafull97	19:24:46: ERROR[main]: Game "/home/minetest/.minetest/games/0gb.us_game" not found
23:28	Peacock	why would you have a hidden minetest folder within a minetest folder? somethings' up with the path
23:28	dafull97	no?
23:29	dafull97	had same srtup before
23:29	dafull97	setup*
23:29	Menche	i assume that he has a user named 'minetest' with /home/minetest as it's home dir
23:29	dafull97	yes!
23:30	Peacock	is the game folder named like in the error message?
23:30	dafull97	yes
23:30	dafull97	before i only had 0gb.us_game
23:30	Peacock	for some reason MT isn't finding it
23:30	dafull97	then added the path to see if it helped
23:31	dafull97	i will reboot server...
23:32	dafull97	still same error...
23:32	Menche	does /home/minetest/.minetest/games/0gb.us_game exist?
23:33	NekoGloopMkII	no
23:36	dafull97	yes
23:39	dafull97	im will try copying it
23:39	* paramat	begins to remember mrs slocombe =/
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23:42	dafull97	still nothing :(
23:43	Menche	how are you starting minetest?
23:43	dafull97	with a scipt i made
23:44	dafull97	minetest --config /home/minetest/.minetest/minetest.conf --worldname world  --$
23:45	Menche	0gb.us_game/ contains mods/ and game.conf?
23:45	dafull97	minetest --config /home/minetest/.minetest/minetest.conf --worldname world  --worldid 0gb.us_game
23:45	dafull97	i made my own config
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23:46	Menche	i don't think --worldid is an option
23:46	Menche	try --gameid
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23:46	Menche	game.conf is a file that is in a game folder
23:46	dafull97	yes, i know.... what about it? =D
23:47	Menche	what does it contain?
23:48	dafull97	name = 0gb.us
23:48	dafull97	common_mods = bucket, creative, doors
23:48	PilzAdam	common_mods are no longer supported
23:48	dafull97	that why it wont run? it ran fine before i shut donw for 5 mins
23:48	dafull97	i added new mod, money
23:49	Menche	it's probably missing those mods because common isn't used anymore
23:49	Menche	try --gameid 0gb.us
23:49	Menche	instead of 0gb.us_gmae
23:49	Menche	*game
23:50	dafull97	same
23:50	Menche	try running just "minetestserver --gameid list" and see if it lists 0gb.us_game
23:51	dafull97	same, but says "0gb.us" not found
23:51	Evergreen	Kind of sad that every article I see mentioning minetest only shows off 0.3.1
23:52	Menche	yeah
23:52	dafull97	minetest
23:52	dafull97	minimal
23:52	dafull97	that what output is
23:52	Menche	it's not finding 0gb.us_game at all then
23:52	dafull97	nope
23:53	Menche	does it work if you force it to just use minetest_game?
23:53	dafull97	hmm?
23:53	dafull97	yes
23:53	dafull97	i tried
23:53	Menche	any reason to use 0gb.us_game? it's outdated if it uses common_mods
23:53	dafull97	yes, has all my other builds in there
23:54	dafull97	have several buildings there
23:54	Menche	uh
23:54	Menche	use the same world, but make it use minetest_game
23:55	dafull97	i though a world = Gameid and World?
23:55	dafull97	opps, ahah
23:56	Menche	worlds can be used with any game, provided the game defines all the nodes/items used
23:57	Exio4	the base nodes/items without external mods, that is
23:57	Menche	at a glance, 0gb.us_game appears to use the same nodenames
23:59	dafull97	well, when i start with minetest or minetest_game as my gameid, i have nothing at all in my world

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