Time Nick Message 00:06 zat My server is not even trying to announce when server_announce = 1 00:06 zat (USE_CURL was used) 00:06 zat What might it be? 00:06 zat (compiling from latest commit) 00:12 diemartin zat, did you use -DUSE_CURL=1 or -DENABLE_CURL=1 ? 00:12 diemartin ENABLE_CURL is the correct one AFAIK 00:13 zat curl 00:13 zat cool* I will check, I was using the USE_ one. 00:14 diemartin also, I'd use -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 00:14 diemartin but that's just preference 00:14 zat I am using it :) 00:14 diemartin good :) 00:17 dafull97 us `0gb, do you know how to change a new spawn point 00:17 dafull97 only for new players 00:22 thefamilygrog66 dafull97: add this line (changing to whatever coords you prefer) to the minetest.conf file: static_spawnpoint = 0, 3, 0 00:22 zat diemartin: strange, doesnt work either 00:24 dafull97 thanks dude! 00:24 dafull97 @ thefamilygrog66 00:24 zat My config has: http://pastebin.com/JW7cUKMA , I guess it is fine. ? 00:24 thefamilygrog66 np 00:24 dafull97 server announce = 1 00:24 dafull97 server_announce = 1 00:25 zat It has underscore 00:25 zat -- CURL_INCLUDE_DIR = CURL_INCLUDE_DIR-NOTFOUND 00:25 diemartin zat, did it detect cURL at cmake stage? 00:25 zat ¬¬!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 00:25 diemartin aha! :) 00:26 zat damn me for not reading carefully that... thanks die! 00:26 diemartin np :) 00:30 dafull97 +1 for diemartin has helped alot of people! 00:31 diemartin https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/memes/00-stopit.png 00:31 zat Have the LEL meme diemartin? 00:32 diemartin zat: http://fuuu.us 00:32 zat there is not the one I know 00:33 zat diemartin → http://uppix.net/YQ2V6T.jpg 00:34 diemartin O_o' 00:35 zat le me 00:36 diemartin zat face 00:36 zat die 00:36 diemartin martin 00:37 zat please 00:39 nanomo what are the software requirments to run minetest on windows? 00:41 Whitemau5 ok so i have a question 00:41 us`0gb Your question has been taken into consideration. Please hold while we deliberate upon an answer. 00:42 Whitemau5 i havent even asked it yet -_- 00:43 PilzAdam this brins the question up: why havent you asked it yet? 00:43 PilzAdam *brings 00:44 diemartin nanomo, a PC with Microsoft Windows XP or later installed, and optionally an user 00:44 nanomo diemartin: i have a win2003 server and minetest close right after the cmd console it's showed 00:45 diemartin maybe also a relatively recent graphics card and CPU 00:45 PilzAdam nanomo, do you have opengl support? 00:45 nanomo diemartin: if i run a cmd ,. change the directory to /bin and run minetest.exe --help nothing happens 00:45 diemartin (dual core recommended, though it's reported to run on a P4) 00:45 nanomo PilzAdam: it's a VPS, so i don't think there is some graphic card 00:46 PilzAdam --help doesnt work? thats strange 00:46 nanomo nope, but if i use the same files on win7 every works 00:46 Whitemau5 ok here it is: i want ot create a skin for minetest so i can play it, but i dont know: is there a specific webistie to create a minetest skin or can i use a minecraft skin creator website such as: minecraftskins.com 00:47 PilzAdam Minetest's skins are compatible with Minecraft's 00:47 PilzAdam so yes, you can use that editor 00:48 Whitemau5 ok because i want to make a skin on minecraftskins.com and have someone upload it for me on minetest on a server but i wanted to make sure i kne wwhat to do 00:50 Whitemau5 thanks bye 00:52 PilzAdam nanomo, I dont like to suggest that, but try running it as admin 00:53 * us`0gb gasps 00:53 nanomo PilzAdam: i tried that too :( 00:53 * us`0gb gasps again 00:54 PilzAdam have you tried restarting? 00:55 dafull97 sorry closed tab didnt relize 01:01 nanomo PilzAdam: yes, i've installed vc redistributable 2010 too 01:01 PilzAdam Im out of ideas now 01:01 PilzAdam what a shitty OS just closes programs without... anythin? 01:02 dafull97 PilzAdam, i might could help a little... i Remoted to his Computer/Server 01:02 nanomo PilzAdam: yes, and seems not to create debug.txt neither 01:03 PilzAdam well, if --help doesnt work then it simply doesnt start the program at all 01:04 dafull97 nanomo, can i conenct via remote again... i might have one more idea 01:04 * PilzAdam wouldnt give dafull97 access... 01:05 dafull97 why not, i already did... im not a hacker -_- 01:06 zat Damn the only thing I need to get working is giving certain privileges to one user, and modifying the auth.txt when the server is off does not work. 01:06 dafull97 i can help with that zat 01:06 dafull97 minetest.conf 01:06 nanomo i did :S 01:07 zat There I am, viming the file. 01:07 dafull97 cd .. 01:07 dafull97 cd .. 01:07 dafull97 crap 01:07 dafull97 haha 01:07 zat kik 01:07 PilzAdam the fact that you are not a hacker is why I wouldnt give you access 01:08 PilzAdam if you were a hacker then you would follow the ethical guidelines of the hacker community 01:08 dafull97 i c, i'm meaning i would make a shortcut to the minetest.exe file and put --help as a aruguement 01:09 PilzAdam that wouldnt help 01:09 dafull97 and see the output 01:09 dafull97 how not? 01:09 dafull97 then see if the program was functionable at all 01:10 PilzAdam because it does the same thing as typing that into a cmd? 01:10 dafull97 yea true, haha 01:10 dafull97 beside that it runs as administrator 01:10 dafull97 with shortcut 01:10 dafull97 run cmd as admin then it the same thing 01:11 dafull97 zat, goto minetest.conf and search for name and set the name of your main admin or whatever and un "#" it at the beginning 01:12 dafull97 save it 01:12 dafull97 restart server 01:12 zat Yes dafull97, I am the admin, but I want to give fly, noclip and teleport to another user. 01:12 PilzAdam you should first shut down the server, then edit minetest.conf, and then start again 01:12 PilzAdam btw 01:12 dafull97 in game goto chat, /grant fly 01:12 dafull97 and replace fly with priv 01:13 zat I want them to persist 01:13 dafull97 it will save them 01:13 dafull97 until you revoke it 01:14 dafull97 such as /revoke 01:14 zat it does not 01:14 dafull97 hmm, it should? 01:14 zat the user logs out and they are still the original 01:14 dafull97 you can edit it in the players section 01:14 zat is it possible? 01:15 Inocudom Here is a video of someone that managed to keep a male griefer (carpenter) bee as a pet. It was a docile pet. 01:15 Inocudom http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=rmN52-EIIpI 01:15 dafull97 maybe not... im looking now... there is a way some where 01:16 PilzAdam Inocudom, youtube provides shorter links under "share" 01:17 dafull97 found it! /.minetest/worlds/yourworld/auth.txt 01:17 dafull97 and find there username 01:17 dafull97 add privs 01:17 zat remember, my first message: 01:17 zat Damn the only thing I need to get working is giving certain privileges to one user, and modifying the auth.txt when the server is off does not work. 01:17 Inocudom http://youtu.be/rmN52-EIIpI 01:18 dafull97 you save it right? the /grant worked for me and save 01:18 dafull97 until i /revoke 01:19 Inocudom It does work, I see. That particular male griefer bee can make for a good pet if it has honey and a small home container. 01:24 * dafull97 is getting on his server 01:25 PilzAdam zat, so, did I understand it correectly? /grant works while the player is logged in, but when he quits and rejoins then it doesnt work? 01:32 zat Right Pilz. 01:33 PilzAdam do you get any warnings about file access issues? 01:35 zat nothing 01:35 zat (new players are correctly added to the file) 01:37 PilzAdam have you modified builtin in any way? 01:41 dafull97 i offically admit i need to learn more before helping other players 01:41 dafull97 Help? : http://pastebin.com/SCHeLtbq 01:42 zat PilzAdam: never touched builtin 01:42 zat could it be a mod? 01:46 dafull97 VanessaE, are you here? 01:46 Inocudom http://youtu.be/u0cuWrVReSo (oOChainLynxOo's new video of the nyan cat server) 01:48 codehero huh. the mob mod works quite good 01:48 codehero the only thing that bothers me is the spawning :P 01:49 zat is actually the mobs mod expensive? 01:51 codehero in terms of resources? 01:55 zat yes 01:55 PilzAdam bye 02:16 thefamilygrog66 I've uploaded my new Magic Beans mod to GitHub, and have included 16px textures for those who'd prefer that (cough...Jordach): https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7307 02:16 dafull97 need Help 02:16 thefamilygrog66 what's up? 02:17 dafull97 wow, nevermind 02:17 dafull97 simple fix haha 02:17 thefamilygrog66 I like those ones! 02:17 dafull97 getting better at this =D 02:17 thefamilygrog66 It's a fun learning curve, sort of... :) 02:17 dafull97 hope i can help many people in the future 02:17 dafull97 yes learn alot in the last week 02:20 zat wow, Minecraft is the most sluggish game I have ever tried. I just tried to... try it. 02:20 dafull97 who knows Lua? 02:22 thefamilygrog66 I know some lua, why? 02:22 dafull97 what other languages you know? 02:22 thefamilygrog66 php 02:22 thefamilygrog66 javascript 02:22 thefamilygrog66 BASIC 02:22 thefamilygrog66 haha 02:22 thefamilygrog66 Pascal 02:22 thefamilygrog66 Turing 02:23 dafull97 nice ok... 02:23 thefamilygrog66 PERL 02:23 dafull97 python? 02:23 thefamilygrog66 haven't played with python yet 02:23 dafull97 C/C++? 02:23 thefamilygrog66 nope, again not yet 02:23 dafull97 what would you suggest out of all the languages you learned? 02:23 dafull97 and what are the ups of lua nad downs? 02:23 thefamilygrog66 just the ones that I've either learned at school or needed for work or for fun 02:24 zat dafull97: suggest... what for? 02:24 thefamilygrog66 ^^^ 02:24 thefamilygrog66 some are more specialized than others, depends on what you're doing 02:24 dafull97 what would you suggest out of all the languages you learned? 02:24 zat what for? 02:24 kahrl what language is haha? 02:25 dafull97 On more of the network side, and Gaming, and overall 02:25 dafull97 programming Language 02:25 zat what scale of development 02:25 zat how complicated will it be 02:25 zat elaborate 02:25 thefamilygrog66 kahrl, I was laughing at BASIC, cause it's the first one I learned back in the 1980s (I'm old) 02:26 kahrl Oh, yeah. Laughing at BASIC is permitted. 02:26 dafull97 haha 02:26 zat BASIC? I first learned Atari BASIC. 02:26 dafull97 on Network - 02:26 dafull97 on Gaming - 02:26 dafull97 Overall - 02:26 thefamilygrog66 That said, my last mod - the hedge maze one - was based on an old BASIC program I copied out of compute magazine in '81. 02:26 dafull97 what would you suggest 02:27 zat need low maintainance? need performance? need stability? 02:27 zat what is more important? 02:27 thefamilygrog66 zat, mine was commodore basic, on a PET then a C64 02:27 zat thefamilygrog66: ok wat lol 02:28 dafull97 i've been more into scripting... what is them, zat 02:28 zat if you are more into scripting, take a look at lua or javascript. 02:29 zat for the most pro level of performance... C/C++ 02:31 dafull97 ok, what is the best for networking... Lua, or javascript 02:31 kahrl what kind of networking? 02:32 thefamilygrog66 zat - here's what I learned on: http://www.cosam.org/images/pet/pet.jpg 02:32 dafull97 overall networking 02:32 kahrl lua by itself doesn't have networking functions as it's based on the C library 02:32 dafull97 ok, so C/C++ better for Networking? 02:32 kahrl don't know about javascript, aside from that you can obviously use it in a HTML page 02:33 thefamilygrog66 dafull97, if you're referring to website stuff, php and javascript 02:33 dafull97 no, more of client/Server stuff 02:33 thefamilygrog66 ahh, gotcha 02:34 dafull97 lua, what is that used for mostly? 02:34 dafull97 beside mods 02:34 kahrl you can do pretty much anything in C and C++, but you might need to write a lot of code depending on what you want 02:36 thefamilygrog66 http://www.lua.org/about.html 02:36 kahrl http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lua_%28programming_language%29#Applications 02:37 dafull97 instead of reading 100 sentences can you put it into 1-2 sentences im tired haha 02:39 kahrl not really 02:40 dafull97 ok ;/ haha 02:41 dafull97 can you make a hello world of lua in pastebin? =D 02:41 dafull97 so i can see some code haha 02:41 kahrl scroll up from my link 02:42 dafull97 im thinking C/C++ or lua 02:43 thefamilygrog66 print "hello world" 02:43 thefamilygrog66 http://www.lua.org/cgi-bin/demo 02:43 dafull97 that's lua? 02:43 dafull97 wow preety simple =D 02:43 pitriss dafull97: you can't compare c/c++ and lua.. c/c++ is programing language, lua is scripting language 02:44 dafull97 now is lua still used activly? 02:44 thefamilygrog66 you could also get fancier: io.write("Hello world, from ",_VERSION,"!\n") 02:44 dafull97 pitriss, i know this 02:45 kahrl scripting languages aren't programming languages? turing would disagree... 02:45 dafull97 im trying to decide a programming language/scripting langu\uage to learn 02:45 dafull97 almost same, i agree 02:45 pitriss kahrl: i mean, purposes of each of mentioned language 02:46 dafull97 pitress, i understand... tring to decide a new lang. to learn 02:46 dafull97 you have any preferances? 02:51 dafull97_ any preferances? 02:51 dafull97_ i timed out... :/ 02:51 kahrl it depends on what I'm doing 02:52 dafull97_ yes, overall Lua or C/C++? 02:52 kahrl I don't have any overall preferences 02:53 kahrl except no java :P 02:53 dafull97_ what would you perfer if you had to have one hahahaha 02:53 us`0gb C is more useful. Lua is easier. 02:53 us`0gb *C/C++ 02:53 dafull97_ us `0gb !! 02:53 dafull97_ finally 02:53 dafull97_ hahaha 02:54 dafull97_ jk... 02:54 us`0gb Finally what? 02:54 dafull97_ talked :P 02:54 us`0gb No one said anything to me on this channel, so I was mostly quiet. 02:54 dafull97_ i like talking to you 02:54 dafull97_ haha 02:54 dafull97_ i didnt know you was here 02:55 us`0gb I'm on another channel trying to get my computer connected to the web and failing. 02:55 dafull97_ oh, sucks 02:55 us`0gb Yeah. But such is life. 02:56 dafull97_ haha, yea 02:56 dafull97_ you gonna be on tomarrow? 02:56 us`0gb It seems I may have to choose between getting my computer connected to the Internet, making it able to sleep, or getting a new one that I can't afford. 02:57 us`0gb I'll likely be here tomorrow, though not all day. I have work. 02:58 harrison get the new box 02:58 harrison you deserve it 02:58 dafull97_ i have to do school, on most of the day 02:58 us`0gb I can't afford it, it's about $600 USD. 02:59 us`0gb And that's for the low-end one. 02:59 thefamilygrog66 I thought you were a mac guy, 0gb 03:00 us`0gb Mac? No, I run Trisquel at the moment, and I'm trying to switch to gNewSense. 03:00 us`0gb (Both are GNU/Linux-libre.) 03:00 thefamilygrog66 ahh, cool 03:02 dafull97_ im linux guy 03:02 dafull97_ =D 03:03 thefamilygrog66 windows/linux here 03:03 dafull97_ i have a windows for school that it 03:03 thefamilygrog66 I use it for work mainly 03:05 * thefamilygrog66 has to figure out how to make a decent beanstalk to add to the magic beans mod... 08:09 Calinou hi :) 08:10 Calinou where? 08:10 * Calinou steals mese from john_minetest's chests 08:10 us`0gb To where from where? 08:11 VanessaE hi 08:11 Calinou that's a lot yeah 08:11 Calinou >university 08:11 Calinou have fun... 08:11 us`0gb Fun. WHat are you studying? 08:12 us`0gb Oh, nice! 08:12 Calinou read: windows, office, photoshop, vmware 08:12 us`0gb What? Bleh. 08:12 us`0gb I don't know about VMware, but I don't like those others. 08:13 Calinou that's what you study in CS courses 08:13 Calinou john_minetest: and expensive as hell 08:13 Calinou but well, we all know all unis use pirated SW 8D 08:13 Calinou that's not the same thing 08:13 Calinou virtualbox is slower, but it's FOSS 08:13 kahrl we didn't have to use proprietary software in most of our CS courses, but a number of students used facebook 08:14 Calinou openoffice is dead, vive libreoffice 08:14 Calinou kahrl: lucky 08:14 us`0gb I like VirtualBox. It even allows file transfers between systems and copy/paste, et cetera. 08:14 Calinou vmware can do that too, I guess 08:14 Calinou downsides of VirtualBox is slower 3D accel, slower CPU stuff 08:15 us`0gb I'm not using proprietary software in most of my computer courses either. 08:16 us`0gb I use it to run Xubuntu, which has Flash installed. I need Flash to access my seminars. 08:16 kahrl actually the only closed-source software I remember we had to use was some graph drawing software by a company affiliated with our algorithms professor 08:16 us`0gb I guess I need proprietary software for all my courses ... But usually nothing other than Flash. 08:17 Calinou well, any uni here requires you to use office, windows, OS X and stuff like that :P 08:17 Calinou I gtg, bye 08:18 us`0gb Bye. 08:18 Calinou so is quake 2 08:18 * Calinou gallops away 08:18 us`0gb My school "requires" Office, but LibreOffice works. Just not officially. 08:19 us`0gb Also, same deal with Windows / OS X. 08:19 kahrl png is so 1997, too :P 08:19 Calinou I'll never be able to use linux @ uni when I'll be at uni later 08:20 us`0gb Althogh the school tech support helped me with an issue on my GNU/Linux-libre system, which they don't officially allow. 08:20 Calinou png doesn't support animation, and noone uses apng :( 08:20 Calinou so gif is like flash here :P 08:21 Calinou yes, but noone uses it, chrome(ium) doesn't even support it by default, you need a extension 08:21 us`0gb PNG unofficially supports animation. I've seen animated PNGs. 08:21 Calinou firefox got quite better as of firefox 22 but it still takes ~3-4 secs to start compared to chromium's < 1 sec 08:22 Calinou meh, I never get toolbars 08:22 Calinou I read what I do when installing software :P 08:23 us`0gb Chromium also fails to let you see the http:// prefix. And yes, I care. 08:23 Calinou it's copied anyway 08:24 Calinou same :P 08:24 us`0gb I also read license terms, which drives people nuts when they are waiting for me to finish. 08:25 us`0gb Yeah. People want to rush you, but you need to know what you are agreeing to. 08:29 us`0gb "Functional programming combines the flexibility and power of abstract mathematics with the intuitive clarity of abstract mathemat 08:29 us`0gb Sorry, wrong channel. 08:50 JamesTait Good morning all! Happy Friday, and happy Ask A Stupid Question Day! :-D 08:52 us_0gb Food morning! 08:52 us_0gb *Good 08:53 JamesTait I actually didn't mind the first version. ;) 08:56 VanessaE hi 08:56 * VanessaE offers everyone a hot bowl of creamy chicken ramen, speaking of food... 08:57 us_0gb Hello, VanessaE! 08:57 VanessaE hi 08:59 JamesTait VanessaE, I'll take you up on that offer! :) 08:59 VanessaE here ya go ;) 08:59 VanessaE that's gourmet-quality salt and fat there! 09:00 us_0gb I'm about to have a ping timeout. Good night! 09:00 * JamesTait noms merrily 09:00 VanessaE night, 0gb. 09:00 us_0gb Am I still here? 09:01 VanessaE yup 09:01 * VanessaE resets 0gb's ping timer. 09:01 us_0gb I must nit understand the meaning of "sudo ifconfig wlan0 down". 09:01 us_0gb *not 09:01 VanessaE heh 09:01 us_0gb Do you know how to kill my wireless card? 09:02 VanessaE your computer knew you wanted to keep chatting :P 09:02 VanessaE you probably need to kill your hostapd daemon first 09:02 us_0gb I do want to chat, but I also need to experiment with something. 09:02 VanessaE (or wpa_supplicant) 09:03 VanessaE (or Network Manager) 09:03 us_0gb Hmm. THat sounds like it's outside my current skill set. I'll have to put it off for now then. 09:03 VanessaE one of those is keeping your wireless alive automatically. 09:04 us_0gb Yeah, I bet you're right. I lost connection for a couple seconds and something brought it back. 09:04 VanessaE in your panel, there should be a network connection widget. right click that and there should be a checkbox for wireless 09:04 VanessaE uncheck that and it should shut off the wireless, if I remember right 09:05 us_0gb Right lick brings up a single-item menu. THe item is "About", and is just credits for the indicator applet. 09:06 VanessaE left click then 09:06 us_0gb No worries though. I have another experiment to keep me busy. 09:06 VanessaE depends on your desktop/window manager 09:06 VanessaE xfce puts it in two separate menus, gnome I think crams it all into one 09:07 VanessaE others may vary 09:09 us{0gb Thanks, VanessaE! 09:09 VanessaE you're welcome :) 09:10 us{0gb I have good news and bad news. The good news is that I've located the cause of my computer freezing when it wakes. The bad news is that the cause is the wireless card. 09:10 VanessaE I ran into that last time I installed; network manager wanted to control my wireless device, but I wanted manual control. 09:10 VanessaE damn 09:10 VanessaE bad hardware? 09:11 us{0gb Yeah. If by "bad" you mean "the developers didn't release specs so people couldn't build the needed firmware/driver". 09:12 VanessaE heh 09:13 VanessaE well I meant actual hardware failure :P 09:13 us{0gb Oh, nothing like that. This time. 09:13 VanessaE "this time"... heh 09:13 us{0gb I suppose it's the developers' policy that's bad, not the hardware. 09:14 us{0gb Well, I've have two hard drives die on me and earlier today, I couldn't even boot the BIOS, so yeah, this time. 09:14 VanessaE ouch 09:15 us{0gb Yeah. It was scary. 09:16 us{0gb One of these day's I'll be able to afford a computer that isn't second hand. But that will be a while. 09:16 us{0gb *days 09:17 us{0gb And now the Dragora installer hates me. THough I no longer need Dragora, so I guess it's all good. 09:17 VanessaE Dragora? 09:18 us{0gb Another GNU/Linux-libre system I was trying to try out hoping to fix my computer issues. 09:18 us{0gb Trisquel freezes when waking from sleep and gNewSense doesn't, but can't use the wireless card. 09:19 us{0gb But it seems it doesn't freeze BECAUSE it can't use the wireless card, so I've narrowed my solution search. 09:37 us{0gb I haven't tried Inkscape yet, but GIMP is awesome. 09:37 VanessaE nice 09:37 us{0gb What is that in the middle of the logo? 10:34 Jordach food morning JamesTait 10:35 JamesTait Jordach, hi! o/ 10:35 Jordach > Happy Friday, and happy Ask A Stupid Question Day! :-D 10:35 Jordach lol 10:35 JamesTait Actually, I am still feeling hungry. 10:45 Jordach you're worse than me 10:48 Jordach aww 10:56 VanessaE bbl]\ 11:00 Evergreen Best post ever? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=112205#p112205 11:03 Jordach hey Evergreen 11:03 Evergreen Hi 11:03 Jordach hahhaha 11:03 Jordach -h 11:04 Jordach fun fact: i've found something awesome to do in blender 11:05 Jordach make a plane from add, give it the cloth modifier, press the play button on the anim player 11:05 Jordach (make sure the plane is subdivided 11:05 Jordach <- is making a rendered comic book 11:05 Jordach k# 11:05 Jordach -k# 11:05 Jordach lol :P 11:10 Jordach Evergreen, y u no use quassel 11:10 Evergreen Because it the gui stopped loading 11:10 Evergreen it wasn't working for me 11:11 Jordach oh 11:11 Jordach i think you're missing the QT4 lib 11:20 Jordach i just noticed the age of my keyboard: http://i.imgur.com/Sr1tlmm.jpg 11:24 arsdragonfly It can be older if there's nothing on it :P 11:33 Jordach haha 11:34 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 11:35 Krock hi 11:35 Jordach PilzAdam, openspades? 11:35 PilzAdam nah, I have to eat something first 11:36 Jordach lol eating 11:36 Jordach i'll be in the usual placre 11:36 Jordach place* 11:54 dafull97 Good morning all!! 11:54 dafull97 friday! 11:54 * dafull97 is glad it is friday 12:07 dafull97 you guys awake? =P 12:07 arsdragonfly 20:05 friday here 12:08 JamesTait It's lunch time here, I'm awake, but have other things on my mind. ;) 12:08 dafull97 JamesTait: oh haha it is 8:08 here, in the morning 12:11 Jordach proller, lol'd at the PM 12:14 proller need more noobs 8) 12:19 dafull97 Hey Jordach, remember me? 12:20 Jordach yes 12:20 Jordach proller, go to the forum's offtopic section then; weapons free 12:21 proller hardcore_mese_tnt ! 12:21 Jordach arsdragonfly, are you somewhere near asia 12:21 dafull97 where is the money2 mod? 12:21 arsdragonfly china to be exact :P 12:21 arsdragonfly Money2??? 12:22 Jordach arsdragonfly, ah 12:24 arsdragonfly https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7253 12:24 arsdragonfly Check out my AdvancedMarket mod 12:25 arsdragonfly Revolutional way of trading 12:25 arsdragonfly Buggy and WIP as it is though 12:25 dafull97 nice, but i need currency for my server and stores 12:26 Jordach china has access to IRC 12:26 Jordach notbad.jpg 12:28 arsdragonfly Yes of course, but anything but easy when trying to find some other stuff :P 12:28 arsdragonfly Tibet, etc. 12:31 * Jordach thinks Minetest playing cards would be awesome 12:31 dafull97 is there a mod like a Vendor where you just click a "Shop" or a Pod 12:31 Jordach dafull97, DanDucombe's Minegelds do that job nicely 12:31 dafull97 i have them 12:31 dafull97 mod currency? 12:32 dafull97 but how do i use a "Shop" 12:33 * Jordach isnt sure what you're on about 12:37 dafull97 like a currency system, and a Shop system thing and use money and shop to buy stuff from shop 12:38 dafull97 does the Minegelds currency have shops? 12:44 dafull97 Jordach ^^ 12:47 dafull97 all who wants to play minetest, join my server! - DJ Server - 5.231.69.196 12:47 dafull97 port - 30000 12:47 dafull97 Thanks! 12:47 Jordach dafull97, yes 12:47 Jordach my tab key isnt working 12:48 Jordach now it is 12:48 Jordach wtf 12:48 dafull97 really? thats good! 12:48 dafull97 haha 13:09 Evergreen I don't think saying "I got banned for no reason plz unban me plz plz plz plz plz plz. I beg you plz." is a good way pf getting unbanned from a server. :P 13:10 dafull97 Evergreen, who siad that? haha 13:10 Evergreen darthvader 13:12 dafull97 who, on your server? 13:13 Jordach Evergreen doesnt have a server afaik 13:13 Jordach and FUCK 13:13 Evergreen No, on landrush 13:13 dafull97 oh, haha... why "FUCK"? 13:13 Jordach viewskew's MG versions isn't latest: latest has support for pdf and ODT 13:14 Jordach which would have been lovely. 13:14 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=112240#p112240 13:14 VanessaE oh boy 13:14 Evergreen Me and a friend are thinking of building a server machine, and finding a place to put it as neither of our internet providers allow servers 13:14 VanessaE and I thought you were exaggerating :) 13:14 Evergreen Nope 13:14 dafull97 hahaha, wow... 13:14 VanessaE also, hi 13:14 Jordach hai VanessaE 13:14 dafull97 hey VanessaE 13:14 Evergreen He actually said he was 10, and he was from africa 13:15 PilzAdam Jordach, today is the "No reason day", you might want to change the topic 13:15 PilzAdam (https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=112235#p112235) 13:15 Jordach !topic 13:15 Jordach !op 13:15 VanessaE what, no sandwich of the day? 13:15 Jordach well that should have worked 13:15 PilzAdam +r? 13:16 Jordach accident 13:16 Jordach i tabbed when trying to command 13:16 PilzAdam what is +r? 13:16 Jordach googling 13:17 Jordach !op 13:17 Jordach disabled 13:18 Jordach PilzAdam, for some reason /mode #minetest -o Jordach doesnt work 13:18 PilzAdam +r is registered users only 13:20 Jordach oh fuck 13:20 Jordach i got nick in the wrong place :P 13:21 VanessaE surely your client has /op and /deop 13:23 Jordach VanessaE, try to be professional for once :P 13:23 VanessaE why? where's the fun in that? 13:23 PilzAdam the fun is that you can misstype and e.g. dissalow unregistered users to join :-p 13:24 VanessaE :P 13:29 kahrl a read for anyone who is considering using SHA-3: https://www.cdt.org/blogs/joseph-lorenzo-hall/2409-nist-sha-3 13:30 Jordach tl;dr 13:30 kahrl in that case, don't use SHA-3 :P 13:31 VanessaE too bad there's no clear way to know what standard is being used by a given site. 13:33 VanessaE I think I'll stick to using AES for my local stuff. 13:34 * Jordach prefers 1kb level encryption 13:34 Jordach 1kb of keys 13:34 kahrl AES is encryption, SHA-3 is a hash function 13:34 VanessaE ohhh 13:35 Jordach MD5 FTW 13:36 Jordach but theres an easier way to erase a HDD - The microwave 13:36 VanessaE I wondered why that seemed wrong.... and I've used SHA hashes before 13:36 * VanessaE feels stupid 13:36 kahrl Jordach, I prefer chainsaws 13:37 Jordach that too 13:37 Jordach or the volcano they detroyed the Ring with 13:37 Jordach 14:13 Jordach > I finally stoped being lazy for 1 minute 14:13 PilzAdam ;-) 14:13 Jordach PilzAdam, at least i do constructive things 14:14 Jordach the more i use blender, the better the chances of me creating a video based render that I LIKE. 14:14 Jordach (i often hate how the pipeline doesnt work as expected, even though anim player is fine) 14:14 PilzAdam its not a generally lazyness but Im lazy in terms of supporting my old mods 14:15 Jordach heh 14:15 Jordach once my wool mod became mainstream, i stopped giving a shit 14:15 Jordach ^ VanessaE 14:15 PilzAdam I like writing new original code, but I lose interest in it after 2 days 14:15 Jordach you're as bad as me PilzAdam 14:16 PilzAdam e.g. I recently wrote a 2D RPG engine in Java; I got it all somewhat working in 2 days but I never felt like doing graphics, sound or actual game content 14:16 Jordach the only time i ever updated wool was to make it work with digging groups (which in turn put more colours in) 14:18 Jordach fun fact: my model has had broken UV for weeks; never got around to fix em 14:18 Jordach (the template master) 14:29 babyface1031 can anyone help me set up a microcontroler? 14:30 pitriss babyface1031: you mean luacontroller? 14:30 babyface1031 yes 14:30 babyface1031 sorry i had it puller up to write and it said microcontroler 14:31 pitriss hehe np, what you need to do with it? 14:32 babyface1031 i am trying to make it if c and d are on then no power goes to b But if c is off then b gets power 14:32 pitriss ah.. 14:33 pitriss wait sec..:) 14:33 babyface1031 ok thank you 14:34 pitriss btw what with that pin.d ? if it is "off" then don't allow any function or? 14:35 babyface1031 D is always on 14:35 pitriss ahh so no need to worry about it then? 14:36 babyface1031 nope thast should always be on unless someone comes and mess with my stuff 14:37 VanessaE for functions like that, microcontrollers are simpler. 14:38 VanessaE on(D)sbi(b=!c&d) ; I think 14:38 VanessaE er 14:38 VanessaE on(D)sbi(b,!c&d) ; I think 14:38 VanessaE I hate using Luacontrollers when a plain old µC will do the job 14:39 VanessaE feels like throwing an FPGA at something when all you need are a couple of 7400's. 14:40 Jordach VanessaE, it's like comparing a PDP-8 to the K supercomputer 14:40 VanessaE heh 14:42 babyface1031 i did luacontroller cause i couldnt craft the micro controller 14:42 VanessaE ah 14:43 pitriss microcontroller was replaced by luacontroller IMO 14:43 VanessaE no 14:43 VanessaE definitely not. 14:43 VanessaE µC's have their place. 14:43 pitriss hmm so this can be issue on landrush server then 14:44 VanessaE only if someone depends on them and they're yanked away suddenly. 14:44 VanessaE otherwise I guess everyone has to use LuaC's 14:44 VanessaE on my server, both are available. 14:44 babyface1031 i am trying to do something like stonewall pitriss 14:44 pitriss babyface1031: so closing doors during night? 14:44 babyface1031 yeah 14:45 pitriss babyface1031: there is no need to use controller then:) 14:45 VanessaE an inverter and a solar panel is enough 14:45 babyface1031 oh i didnt know 14:45 VanessaE panel --> inverter --> door 14:45 * Jordach can do that in 3 node spades 14:45 Jordach space 14:45 babyface1031 oh see i alway try ot make things hard than they neeed to be 14:45 Jordach S.Panel, Microcontroller + door 14:45 pitriss babyface1031: yes as VanessaE said mesecon solar panel, not gate, doors 14:48 babyface1031 thank you it works now :D 14:48 pitriss yw 14:48 VanessaE np 15:03 Jordach *GIMP crashes* NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! 15:03 Jordach Dan_D, I know what you did LAST SUMMER 15:03 Dan_D Huh? 15:04 Dan_D Anyone hee use Kubuntu? 15:04 Jordach PilzAdam does 15:04 Dan_D Is he here? 15:04 Jordach should be 15:05 * Jordach removes PilzAdam's ability to commit to minetest/minetest and minetest/minetest_game 15:05 Jordach 15:05 Dan_D I accidentally removed the thing on the bar at the top in Kubuntu where you can switch between desktops. I can't work out how to get it back. Help PilzAdam? 15:05 Jordach +1 for quassel 15:05 Jordach Dan_D, use the mouse scrollwheel on desktop 15:06 Dan_D Ok 15:06 Jordach it should change (does for Mint, xfce) 15:06 Dan_D Will the touchpad scroll wheel work? 15:06 Jordach yes 15:06 Jordach it works in xubuntu 15:06 Jordach (i actually tested this) 15:06 Dan_D Nope, it doesn't seem to 15:07 Dan_D And I can't open anything now I don't hink, not without logging in and out again 15:08 Dan_D So, this is stupid 15:09 * VanessaE peeks in 15:10 Jordach hello VanessaE 15:10 VanessaE hi. don't ask me why I just did that, I was already here :P 15:10 Jordach VanessaE.py needs fixing 15:10 IceCraft hi 15:10 * Jordach asks VanessaE why 15:10 Jordach No reason. 15:11 VanessaE holy crap 15:11 VanessaE my survival server now has 78 mods on it 15:11 VanessaE (including the original minetest_game stuff) 15:12 VanessaE more than that, actually, if you count the modpacks 15:13 Dan_D Back to Windows for now then 15:13 VanessaE windows, ew. 15:13 Dan_D Yeah, Linux is awkward as shit 15:13 VanessaE Dan_D: you're just used to a different interface, that's all 15:13 VanessaE for me, windows is awkward 15:14 Dan_D So, I accidentally remove something from the bar at the top, and I can never get it back. 15:14 VanessaE sure you can. 15:14 Dan_D But no-one knew how 15:14 VanessaE usually it's just right click the bar, "add to panel" or something similar 15:14 Dan_D Just now that is 15:14 VanessaE depends on your desktop environment 15:15 Dan_D Kubuntu 15:15 VanessaE ok, so that's KDA 15:15 VanessaE er KDE 15:15 Dan_D If I right-click the bar it assumes I am clicking on the nearest icon 15:15 Dan_D PS I am on Windows right now 15:16 Dan_D What is the best Linux distro, not Including ..buntu 15:16 VanessaE the best? well for n00bs, Xubuntu or Mint. For the experienced, probably Debian or Fedora. For the hackers, probably Arch or Gentoo 15:17 VanessaE for the insane, Slackware :P 15:17 Dan_D Xubuntu is ..buntu 15:17 VanessaE Xubuntu is Xubuntu. It is not Ubuntu. 15:17 Dan_D No, but it ends in buntu 15:17 VanessaE doesn't matter. 15:17 Dan_D Therefore it is shit and bad 15:18 VanessaE the *buntus get their stuff from the Debian world. 15:18 Dan_D I have tried Lubuntu,Ubuntu, Kubuntu and I can't use them without them becoming unusable after a couple of days 15:18 VanessaE I used Xubuntu for years, quite happily. Only reason I switched was a perceived performance issue (that turns out didn't exist) 15:18 VanessaE try Xubuntu then. 15:18 Dan_D Lubuntu and Kubuntu break, Ubuntu lags like hell 15:18 VanessaE ot ises the XFCE desktop, which works similar to say WinXP and prior 15:19 Dan_D I hate WinXP 15:19 VanessaE you know, REAL taskbars and menus and such 15:19 dafull97 Hello all, 15:19 VanessaE define "lags like hell" 15:19 VanessaE hi dafull97 15:19 * dafull97 Enters room with swag 15:19 dafull97 hahaha 15:19 Dan_D Te mouse randomly freezes and Programs take a long long time to open 15:20 VanessaE odd 15:20 VanessaE well try Xubuntu anyway 15:20 Dan_D Maybe. 15:20 VanessaE it's not like you HAVE to install it. it's a live DVD/CD 15:20 Dan_D Does it come in the Wubi installer? 15:20 VanessaE you can just run from there but remember that running from optical media (or USB thumbdrive) is SLOW. 15:20 VanessaE idk, maybe 15:20 VanessaE I've never used that method, as I don't dual-boot 15:21 Dan_D And bootloading disks do NOTwork 15:21 VanessaE (If I need windows some day, I'll use a virtual machine) 15:21 VanessaE what do you mean bootloading disks doesn't work? 15:21 Dan_D My computer ignores them and goes straight to Windows 15:22 VanessaE because your BIOS is probably configured to ignore optical media 15:22 Dan_D Also, how do I get rid of KolibriOS? I deleted all the files, but it is still in BIOS as dual boot. 15:22 VanessaE this is not an OS issue, this is a BIOS issue, easy to fix on most machines. There'll be a boot menu where you can select what media/drives you can boot from 15:23 VanessaE that's not BIOS, that's the master boot record on your hard disk 15:23 Dan_D But how do I get rid of the dual-boot thing? 15:23 VanessaE easiest way to remove that entry is to fiddle with grub a bit 15:23 Dan_D But HOW?? 15:23 Dan_D I can't work out how to do anything with grub... 15:24 dafull97 VanessaE, why do you own so many servers? 15:24 VanessaE I don't know how to make that change, except that you'll have to first get into your BIOS, make sure you can boot from CD/DVD/USB. From there, boot with any random Linux disk, doesn't matter what. 15:25 VanessaE dafull97: I have two, and they're both running on my home PC. 15:25 Dan_D What xubuntu install size should Iselect? 15:25 dafull97 and PilzAdam, are you here? 15:25 dafull97 VanessaE, oh... thats awesome.... i like running mine in VPS security Reasons... =D 15:26 VanessaE Dan_D: for the disk size? 4GB is sufficient for a base install + most stuff. 8GB is enough for a full suite with everything under the sun 15:26 Dan_D Ok 15:26 VanessaE 1GB RAM is enough to get you going nicely. 2GB recommended. 15:26 VanessaE less is usable, if slow. 15:26 Dan_D I have 2gb ram 15:26 dafull97 256mb ram is enought to run minetest server right? 15:26 Dan_D And how do I get rid of KolibriOS 15:27 Dan_D Maybe 15:27 dafull97 VanessaE, 256mb ram is enought to run minetest server right? 15:27 VanessaE dafull97: not really. 15:27 dafull97 really? 15:27 VanessaE 512MB is better. 15:28 pitriss dafull97: nope.. even 510MB was too low 15:28 pitriss *512 15:28 VanessaE With 256MB you'll find your server will crash often due to out of memory 15:28 pitriss it was laggy for 5 ppl connected 15:28 VanessaE 512MB will be enough for most stuff, the server uses about 300-350MB RAM but you want enough for your OS too 15:28 dafull97 on mine? 15:28 Dan_D How do I dispose of KlolibriOS 15:28 VanessaE er your VPS's OS anyway 15:29 VanessaE Dan_D: you have to use GRUB to do it 15:29 VanessaE but I have no idea how as it's been years since I had to mess with that 15:29 Dan_D How do I useGRUB 15:29 dafull97 pitriss, when did you connect 15:29 pitriss Dan_D: ask in grub related topic.. 15:29 pitriss *channel 15:29 pitriss Me? Im still here:] 15:30 VanessaE Dan_D: doesn't Windows have some kind of repair tool in it? 15:30 VanessaE use that to rebuild the Master Boot Record 15:30 VanessaE (or just re-install if you have to) 15:31 Dan_D How do I re-install windows without losing everything? 15:31 dafull97 pitriss, im meaning ws you connected to my server? 15:31 Dan_D And how do I get this repair tool? 15:31 VanessaE make backups and don't let Windows re-format your disk 15:31 VanessaE it should be built into Windows, if I remember right. Something about "rollback"? 15:31 Dan_D I can't make backups, the disk is corrupt and nothing gets backed up. 15:32 VanessaE it's been too many years. 15:32 VanessaE what disk is corrupt? 15:32 pitriss dafull97: i wasn't there.. we have own private server: 15:32 VanessaE your system drive? 15:32 Dan_D C:\ 15:32 VanessaE if it was, you couldn't boot from it 15:32 Dan_D Yep 15:32 dafull97 pitriss, ohh... ok... so what is the recommecnded memory? 15:32 VanessaE your drive is not corrupt 15:32 Dan_D But backup won't do any backups of the programs file, because it claims corruption. 15:32 pitriss dafull97: 1GB is fine, our serve have now 2.5GB 15:32 VanessaE just make some backups to an external drive, or to CD/DVD, or to another computer, or to "the cloud" 15:32 VanessaE nononono 15:33 VanessaE use your file manager 15:33 VanessaE copy your stuff to a safe place the old fashioned way 15:33 Dan_D And also, I have several corrupted non-deletable files on mycomputer 15:33 VanessaE forget automated backup tools 15:33 Dan_D And when I boot windows, I get a thing that is meantto check for corrupted files, but it crashes. 15:33 VanessaE forget all that for the moment 15:34 Dan_D Also, Windows explorer crashes if I right-click things in it,leading to the loss of the start menu 15:34 VanessaE just fire up your file manager and dump everything you want to save onto a thumbdrive or DVD or something 15:34 VanessaE ok, then you'll have to back your stuff up from the command line 15:34 VanessaE (the "CMD prompt" or whatever they call it now...the old DOS prompt_) 15:35 Dan_D Ah, I hate command line 15:35 VanessaE well when the GUI is busted, you have to use the command line :) 15:35 dafull97 RAM?? 15:36 Dan_D Windows is stupid. Linux is worse. Mac is just... nope.avi 15:36 Dan_D Mac is the devil'sspawn 15:36 Dan_D iOS isn't though 15:36 dafull97 pitriss, RAM?? 15:36 VanessaE you could also boot from any random linux CD/DVD/USB after you change your BIOS settings, use THAT to do the backup 15:36 werwerwer_ Dan_D is there anything good in OS's then? 15:36 VanessaE (using the file manager that goes with whatever desktop yoyu're using) 15:36 VanessaE you're* 15:37 Dan_D Well, KolibriOS was shitty 15:37 Jordach Dan_D, then don't have a PC is you're calling all OS'es shitty 15:37 Jordach <- takes donations 15:37 Dan_D OSs are good so long as they are usable and don't break when used 15:37 VanessaE What about android? :) 15:37 Jordach 15:37 VanessaE Dan_D: tip: OS's break. Always. Keep backups. 15:37 Dan_D No, I like windows, it is just full of Crashiness 15:38 VanessaE of course it is, if your fs is as corrupt as you say 15:38 Dan_D VanessaE: HTF do I backup without command line, and without a file manager? 15:38 VanessaE you're lucky any of your personal data is still reachable. 15:38 Dan_D Yeah 15:38 werwerwer_ Dan_D use any linux live cd 15:38 VanessaE Dan_D: by going into your BIOS and making your PC boot a Linux distro of any kind 15:38 VanessaE and use that 15:38 Dan_D Some prgrams,like GIMP, have just randomly stopped working, and never boot 15:38 Dan_D Ah well 15:39 VanessaE any random distro 15:39 Dan_D To the survival server then! 15:39 VanessaE knoppix is one of the better ones for this particular task, but use whatever you have handy 15:39 werwerwer_ btw there are some windows based live cds if you hate linux so much 15:39 Dan_D And BTW, mostof my personal data is kept on d:\ 15:39 werwerwer_ doesn't matter 15:40 Dan_D I like Linux, it is just it appears to be designed for awkwardness 15:40 dafull97 brb later guys 15:40 VanessaE ok, so just copy everything else to D:/ from your linux install (the Wubi one), then shut down and unplug that drive. 15:40 VanessaE Re-install windows (again, you HAVE to make your BIOS boot from your install media) 15:40 Dan_D Ok 15:40 VanessaE then shut down again and re-connect the D:/ drive 15:40 Dan_D How do I re-install Windows? Do I download it from somewhere? 15:41 VanessaE you should already have a "recovery" CD 15:41 Dan_D Oh. IDK where if I do. 15:41 Jordach Dan_D, oh deer 15:41 VanessaE wherever you keep the stuff that came with your PC 15:41 Dan_D deer? 15:41 VanessaE you know a box in the closet somewhere. 15:41 * Jordach thinks people should only install Operating Systems if they know what the fuck they're doing 15:41 Dan_D I have 2 foam packaging pieces 15:41 Dan_D Which it came in 15:42 Dan_D I didn't install Windows 15:42 VanessaE Dan_D: you're fucked. 15:42 VanessaE get off of that busted OS now, while you still can 15:42 Dan_D And I am using the Wubi installer for ..buntu Distros 15:42 Dan_D Ok, do backups, I am also half-way through installing Xubuntu. 15:43 Dan_D My internet is so damn slow 15:43 VanessaE if your underlying OS is busted, that Wubi installer is likely to fail also 15:43 * Jordach uses Windows primarily and is quite happy as-is 15:43 Dan_D It worked yesterday 15:43 Jordach > yesterday 15:43 Jordach i smell a failing HDD 15:43 VanessaE says the guy who calls all *buntus shit 15:44 Dan_D I think only some parts of C:\ are corrupt 15:44 VanessaE If C:/ is corrupt, NOTHING is safe 15:44 VanessaE and that's especially true of an overlaying OS 15:44 Dan_D Program Files mainly 15:44 Jordach all subdirs of C:\ are FUCKED. 15:44 VanessaE if your house's foundation were crumbling, you're not gonna be safe building on a second story on your house. 15:44 Dan_D Unless it's minetest 15:44 werwerwer_ if c: and d: are different physical disks, than d: is more or less safe 15:45 Dan_D In which case it will hover :) 15:45 Dan_D They are partitions I think 15:45 VanessaE then you're doubly screwed. 15:45 Dan_D So they aren't safe I guess 15:45 Dan_D Ah, bugger 15:45 VanessaE if C:/ is truly failing, D:/ will fail soon 15:45 VanessaE a partition only separates the data, it doesn't separate disk-level corruption 15:46 Dan_D Windows Backup backups everything except Program Files, and Appdata 15:46 VanessaE (it will usually keep one bad fs from "leaking" into the other, but that's probably not the problem here) 15:46 Dan_D Those two it says are on a corrupt drive 15:46 VanessaE don't use Windows Backup 15:46 werwerwer_ if it's really hardware problem you sould experience bsods alot. do you? 15:46 Jordach Dan_D, #windows 15:46 Dan_D bsods? 15:46 VanessaE Blue Screen of Death 15:46 Jordach !g bsod 15:46 VanessaE aka a kernel panic 15:46 MinetestBot Jordach: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Screen_of_Death 15:46 werwerwer_ blue screen of death 15:46 Dan_D I have never had them yet 15:46 VanessaE does your PC just freeze up or reboot without warning? 15:47 Jordach Dan_D, from you're statements, your machine has 3 months 15:47 werwerwer_ than it's likely to be software fail 15:47 Dan_D Sometimes the Desktop freezes, which is annoying 15:47 VanessaE hm, looking at Wubi here.. 15:47 Dan_D And sometimes desktop and start menu disappear entirely 15:47 werwerwer_ it's just explorer crash 15:47 VanessaE get a Linux distro on there NOW. get your data off that disk before the OS dies completely. 15:48 Dan_D Ok 15:48 Dan_D After the explorer crash, I have to reboot 15:48 VanessaE then if you wanna go back to Windows, go find and download a safe, clean copy and re-install from that 15:48 Dan_D And also, linux once took mt system up to 80+ *c 15:48 VanessaE (I can't help you with where to get one, you could always buy a copy in an local computer sture) 15:48 Jordach Dan_D, then you're using the wrong OS 15:48 Dan_D Which is worrying 15:48 VanessaE store* 15:49 Jordach don't use Kubuntu 15:49 Jordach that needs a lot of power 15:49 Dan_D I have removed Kubuntu 15:49 Jordach Lubuntu is your BEST BET. 15:49 VanessaE Jordach: I already told him to use Xubuntu 15:49 Jordach VanessaE, in his case, speed is needed 15:49 Dan_D Lubuntu broke with an update 15:49 Dan_D The mouse stopped moving in Lubuntu 15:49 * harrison prepares to molt 15:49 Dan_D The touchpad WAS enabled 15:50 Dan_D And it happened straight after an update 15:50 Dan_D Just under 40 Minutes to go before Xubuntu is downloaded 15:51 VanessaE Dan_D: I'd be more inclined to blame your broken Windows filesystem since Linux sits on top of it in those Wubi-installed situations 15:51 Dan_D Just to say, last night, it said over 532334 Hours to go, when downloading a .zip 15:51 VanessaE (Linux in a disk image, sits in the Windows filesystem. If the windows fs is busted, it can corrupt the linux image) 15:51 Dan_D Ah 15:51 Dan_D Ok 15:51 Jordach hey Calinou 15:51 VanessaE it's just a guess mind you 15:51 Evergreen Wow, darthvader has some really hardcore math for us: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=112259#p112259 15:51 Dan_D The laptop only cost ~£150 though 15:52 VanessaE either way Jordach's estimate is right - you've got roughly 2 or 3 months of life left in that PC if you don't fix it. 15:52 Jordach oh and btw: before i had the internet, I HAD THAT BEFORE. 15:52 Dan_D Ah, goddammit 15:52 Dan_D I am too young for these things 15:52 Jordach i had to copy and paste on to flash pens using the file manager of the task manager 15:52 VanessaE how old are you anyway? 15:53 Jordach that was hell: freeze = fucked 15:53 Dan_D I shall make as may lovely mods as I can before my computer fails 15:53 Dan_D I am 14 15:53 werwerwer_ old enough 15:53 Calinou hi :) 15:53 werwerwer_ install linux 15:53 VanessaE time to talk to your parents then about getting the laptop reformatted 15:53 Calinou Dan_D: it might only cost £150 but is insanely slow 15:53 VanessaE they can take it somewhere to get it cleaned up 15:53 Dan_D I have tried Linux about 3 times already werwerwer 15:53 VanessaE (it'll cost money though) 15:54 Calinou lol, tech support 15:54 Dan_D Also, it has 2Gb Ram, 1.6Ghz Intel Atom processor 15:54 Calinou yes, insanely slow 15:54 VanessaE Dan_D: I told you, if the underlying OS or filesystem is busted, you're hosed. 15:54 VanessaE EVERYTHING will be broken eventually. 15:54 Calinou I have a very similar, if not same CPU in my netbook (atom N455) 15:54 Calinou single core with HT, 1.6ghz 15:54 Dan_D Yep 15:55 Dan_D The model code is NP-N145-JPO3UK 15:56 Dan_D NOT 15:56 Dan_D *NOT the product number 15:57 * Jordach pokes sfan5 15:57 Dan_D Also, Windows has to be shut down using the power button 15:57 Jordach that's making the PROBLEM WORSE 15:57 Dan_D Because it can't turn off the normal way 15:57 Jordach Dan_D, ctrl + alt + del, summon the task manager 15:57 Dan_D I left it going over 14 hours on the Shutting Down screen 15:57 Dan_D TAsk manager op0ened... 15:58 Jordach you see the File > New Task (run) option 15:58 Jordach open THAT. 15:58 werwerwer_ shutdown -t 0 -f -s 15:58 Jordach that file manager can copy and paste to flash pens 15:58 VanessaE oh that's bad 15:58 Jordach sfan5, you're fucking file service is down. 15:58 VanessaE you're totally fucked, Dan_D. 15:58 Dan_D Don'tyou mean Applications, New Task... 15:58 Jordach Dan_D, that 15:58 Jordach <- windows 7 15:58 Dan_D Noooooooooooooooooo!!!! 15:58 VanessaE NEVER shut your PC down with the power button 15:58 VanessaE I repeat, NEVER. 15:59 Dan_D It can't so soon!!! 15:59 Dan_D I have to use the power button, every time 15:59 VanessaE then your PC is already dead - software-wise. 15:59 VanessaE you HAVE to reinstall 15:59 Dan_D ' I left it going over 14 hours on the Shutting Down screen' 15:59 VanessaE assuming the hardware is still okay 16:00 Jordach Dan_D, there is no recovery now 16:00 Dan_D It simply doesn't shut down that way 16:00 Jordach your window is slipping 16:00 Dan_D STOP!!!!!! 16:00 Dan_D I CAN TAKE NO MORE! 16:00 Dan_D *RAGE AT THE WORLD* 16:00 VanessaE your PC is dying. 16:00 Dan_D Soz 16:00 Dan_D No! NO! 16:00 Jordach now you see why i buy Desktop hardware 16:00 VanessaE get your parents to take it in for service. 16:01 VanessaE with a little luck, the hardware is okay. 16:01 * Jordach hates netbooks and laptops 16:01 VanessaE reinstalling windows is fast and cheap enough 16:01 VanessaE but you HAVE to figure out the backup isue 16:01 VanessaE issue* 16:01 Dan_D http://nooooooooooooooo.com/ 16:01 VanessaE I don't care how you go about doing it, but get your personal data off that machine NOW. 16:01 Jordach that's my line 16:02 Dan_D Copy and paste everything from both C:\ and D:\? 16:02 Jordach yes 16:02 Dan_D That may take a long time... 16:02 Jordach (except windows and program files 16:03 VanessaE so let it take a long time 16:03 Dan_D Why not program files? I will lose paid software 16:03 VanessaE because program files is corrupted. 16:03 VanessaE or likely is. 16:03 Dan_D ie, prgram suites that cost £300 16:03 VanessaE if you paid for a program, you sure as hell better have some install media for it? 16:03 Jordach Dan_D: tpb if you have the box lying around 16:03 Dan_D But disk check says it is fine 16:03 Dan_D I have the install disks for the programs suites 16:03 Jordach i'll pirate it if i have the original license 16:04 VanessaE you paid 300 quid for a program for a netbook that was only 150!? 16:04 Dan_D Just 16:04 Dan_D Woops 16:04 Dan_D Yes i did 16:04 Jordach because simply finding the disks is a pita 16:04 us{0gb Jordach, what's wrong with laptops? Besides poor hardware support. 16:04 Dan_D If I am careful I may be able to delay the decline till I get a new laptop, hope fully before Easter 16:05 Jordach us{0gb, easy to break 16:05 VanessaE Dan_D: you don't need new hardware. you need to reinstall windows. 16:05 Dan_D I need a new laptop anyway 16:05 Jordach not to mention fixing things is a pain (esp when something manages to get into the fan) 16:05 VanessaE if you could afford 300 pounds for a piece of software, you can afford 100 or whatever it is for a legit copy of windows. 16:05 Jordach 30 quid for W8 16:05 Dan_D A more powerful one,that I won't bugger ip 16:05 Jordach (from upgrade channels) 16:05 us{0gb Hmm. I suppose there's that. Still, laptops don't hurt my wrists like desktops do. 16:05 VanessaE unless you can get that thing running a live (as in, installed on bare hardware) linux distro 16:05 VanessaE ok 30 then, either way 16:06 Dan_D IDK 16:06 Dan_D I am getting a better more powerful laptop anyway, whatever you say, I have been meaning to for a while 16:06 Calinou ie, prgram suites that cost £300 16:06 Calinou what program suites? :P 16:06 VanessaE photoshop :P 16:07 Calinou lol, photoshop 16:07 Dan_D Serif 16:07 Calinou also, it's more like 1000 pounds 16:07 Calinou not 300 16:07 VanessaE well what else do you know of that people fork over that much cash for? :) 16:07 Jordach Dan_D, get a desktop not a laptop 16:07 Jordach VanessaE, TPB 16:07 VanessaE laptops are not suitable for gaming 16:07 VanessaE get a desktop 16:07 Calinou don't advocate piracy 16:07 Calinou VanessaE: except 2000$ ones :p 16:07 Dan_D Can I carry a desktop around in a school bag? 16:07 Calinou but they still get very hot :P 16:08 VanessaE 500 bucks or so and you've got yourself a moderately-powerful box. 16:08 Jordach Calinou, only when I lose the install disk and have the license 16:08 Jordach that's usually my problem 16:08 VanessaE Dan_D: nothing says you have to throw away the netbook 16:08 Dan_D Good pojtn 16:08 Calinou ok laptop + good desktop is a good combo 16:08 Calinou ok laptops cost ~500 euros usually 16:08 Dan_D But I already have a WinXP desktop connected to out tv 16:08 us{0gb I game on my laptop. I'd get carpel tunnel if I gamed on a desktop. 16:09 VanessaE so? get another then 16:09 VanessaE don't use a netbook for gaming 16:09 VanessaE it is not designed for that task 16:09 sfan5 hi everyone 16:09 VanessaE hey sfan5 16:09 us{0gb Another what? 16:09 werwerwer_ us{0gb: do you game using touchpad? 16:09 us{0gb Hello! 16:10 Dan_D I know it isn't, I assured the shop assistant I would only be using the netbook for Word Documents and such 16:10 Calinou us{0gb: why carpal tunel? 16:10 Dan_D I use the touchpad for gaming 16:10 us{0gb I do game with the touchpad. I find it to be way easier than a mouse. 16:10 Calinou lol, gaming with touchpad 16:10 Calinou you've never played a FPS 16:10 Dan_D I have 16:10 Jordach http://xkcd.com/488/ 16:10 werwerwer_ us{0gb thaaats weird 16:10 Calinou even Minetest is way better with a real mouse :P 16:10 Dan_D Sauerbraten 16:10 Calinou also, you don't get carpal tunnel with good mouses 16:10 us{0gb I started getting carpel tunnel when I used a desktop a lot. 16:10 Dan_D Sauerbraten is nigh on impossible with a touchpad 16:10 Calinou which mouse? 16:11 Calinou using mouse is comfortable for me... 16:11 * Jordach too 16:11 Calinou more than touchpad 16:11 VanessaE I use a logitech M185 wireless mouse with a gel-padded mousepad. no C-T here :) 16:12 * Jordach neither, and Jordach doesnt use gel padded shit 16:12 Jordach my arms are fine 16:12 Jordach http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/2d3e/wqwnvlvahtjdijffg.jpg 16:12 VanessaE Jordach: I had to, problems with the nerved in my arms (not C-T but some other weird thing that no one can really figure out) 16:12 VanessaE plus my desk was hurting my hand 16:12 us{0gb I used a braceMinetest on a mouse is a pain for me. It's really a matter of preference which works better. My only point in arguing the laptop side is to not discourage it. Laptops work better for some people. Just because they don't work as well for you doesn't mean you should claim laptops are bad. 16:12 VanessaE so the get fixed the issue 16:12 Calinou lol wireless 16:13 Jordach > wireless 16:13 Jordach enjoy your signal when VanessaE is microwaving 16:13 VanessaE us{0gb: well I guess it's like how some people prefer joysticks to gamepads 16:13 Dan_D Can I make a joystick work with mt without an external program? 16:13 Jordach nope.avi 16:13 VanessaE Jordach: the receiver is only about 1m from the mouse anyway and it never glitches :) 16:13 us{0gb I had to use a brace for a while to fix my wrist from too much desktop use. I'v never had that issue on my laptop. 16:13 Jordach VanessaE, haha 16:13 Calinou a brace? 16:13 Jordach but then again, my arm is level with the mouse 16:13 us{0gb A wrist brace. 16:14 Dan_D MY COMPUTER SHALL NOT DIE! I FORBID IT! BY THE WORD OF ARMOK! 16:14 * Jordach finds making a rendered Comic Book easier than video 16:14 VanessaE Dan_D: too late. 16:14 VanessaE your fs is corrupted 16:14 VanessaE you need to reinstall 16:14 us{0gb Calinou, http://www.braceshop.com/mcdavid-carpal-tunnel-support.htm?gclid=CLX1mLn867kCFYs1QgoduiMA6A 16:14 Dan_D ARMOK, GOD OF BLOOD! 16:14 VanessaE there's simply no choice here. 16:14 Jordach BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! 16:15 Dan_D RANDOM RELIGIOUS CULT SHOUTY THINGY! 16:15 Jordach MILK FOR THE CORN FLAKES! 16:15 Dan_D YEAH!!!! 16:15 Dan_D Sorry 16:15 VanessaE heh 16:15 Calinou KDE users would say "by the word of Amarok" 16:15 * Jordach high fives Calinou 16:15 Dan_D Nah,amarok is bad 16:15 us{0gb Who is Amarok? 16:15 VanessaE Amarok? ew. 16:15 VanessaE Audacious ftw. 16:15 * Calinou uses Clementine, and brohooves Jordach 16:15 Dan_D Armok, the God of Blood 16:15 VanessaE us{0gb: media/music player for KDE 16:15 * Jordach thorws clementines at people, minus the beheading 16:16 VanessaE also the name of some really obscure tune, from which the program takes its name 16:16 us{0gb Ah. My default music player, Rhythmbox, is bad as well. 16:16 Dan_D Slaves to Armok: God of Blood Chapter II: Dwarf Fortress 16:16 Dan_D http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/ 16:16 Jordach i hear dwarf fortress is fun 16:17 Dan_D Such a gret game 16:17 VanessaE Audacious, in XMMS/Winamp classic view mode, with the "Expensive High-Fi" skin. 16:17 VanessaE doesn't get any better :) 16:17 Dan_D It is really hard if you start in an evilbiome,with terrifying surroundings, next to a necromancer tower... 16:17 Dan_D With bits of hair and skin being re-animated 16:17 * Calinou is playing TF2 with a custom HUD he installed yesterday 16:18 Dan_D *collective ewwww* 16:18 Jordach VanessaE, image or GTFO 16:18 VanessaE Jordach: hold 16:18 Dan_D And anyway, my computer has been retarded like this for almost a year now 16:18 Jordach which slot on the fruit machine VanessaE 16:18 us{0gb VanessaE, does Audacious keep playing songs if you tell it to play only one? If not, I'll give it a try. Basically, I'm looking for a music player with that one simple feature. 16:18 VanessaE Jordach: http://www.winamp.com/skin/cpro-expensive-hi-fi/221928 16:18 VanessaE that one. 16:19 Jordach us{0gb, clementine does that if you set it to replace current playlist and not append 16:19 VanessaE though my version is a bit older than that 16:19 us{0gb But there is a setting that does not do that? 16:19 VanessaE Jordach: ah, this is the one I use: http://www.winamp.com/skin/expensive-hi-fi-1-2/122459 16:20 Dan_D Face it, my computer SHALL NOT DIE! 16:20 VanessaE us{0gb: it can play one, or a whole playlist. it can repeat individual songs, or the whol elist alos. 16:21 VanessaE whole list also* 16:21 Jordach i used to use this until i found a replacement: http://www.winamp.com/android 16:21 Dan_D VAnessaE, apart from the how-the-person-died thing, can you think of any other improvemetns to the death name mod? 16:21 VanessaE Dan_D: it's already dead. filesystem corruption is like mold - it spreads if it isn't treated. 16:21 VanessaE no 16:21 us{0gb Okay, good. Playing a single song a single time is such a simple feature, but several music players I've tried lack it. And it's the only way I choose to listen to music. 16:21 Dan_D Yeah, I have a corrupt file in my dropbox which is annoying 16:22 VanessaE us{0gb: one that's more handy for that task is actually mplayer. 16:22 VanessaE it's designed for that play-once-and-quit usage 16:22 VanessaE audacious isn't, but it does work. 16:23 VanessaE Dan_D: eventually, a corrupt library gets loaded, writes out a file you needed, but that file gets written wrong...later you open it up, it calls forth another library that reads it wrong because of the corruption, that library crashes 16:23 us{0gb Mplayer looks like it doesn't have the library feature, but that's at first glance without installing it. I'll install it and see. 16:23 VanessaE next thing you know you're hitting Reset or Power or whatever 16:23 Dan_D Oh well 16:24 VanessaE demons spew forth, mass hysteria ensues, and your fancy new mod is trashed. 16:24 Dan_D *Brings in a random squad of cool army guys to kill demons* 16:25 Dan_D Wow lol https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=112205#p112205 16:27 us{0gb Yeah, Mplayer is nice, but it's basically what I have when I use the movie player to play mp3s. 16:27 us{0gb WHich is sort of a hacky work around I use when I don't have a decent music player. 16:28 * Jordach lols at ShadowNinja's avatar 16:29 VanessaE I use Xine for movies usually 16:29 VanessaE Audacious for music 16:31 Dan_D Ok, gonna try Xubuntu, see you guys in hell... 16:31 VanessaE heh 16:31 VanessaE it'll fail 16:31 VanessaE he just doesn't understand how fucked his machine is with a broken fs 16:31 us{0gb Xubuntu would be great, if it weren't for that fact that it isn't fully free. 16:32 Jordach this is why education should have better IT courses, rather than just IT for business 16:32 VanessaE it's free enough for most people 16:32 VanessaE Jordach: we didn't need computer courses when I was growing up. We learned it ourselves. 16:32 us{0gb WHat's broken? What is an FS? I'm assuming it's not a file system, that's easy to fix with an install. 16:32 VanessaE when I was his age I was already coding my first games and such 16:33 VanessaE us{0gb: his windows filesystem is corrupted, crashy, and requires rebooting his PC by way of the magic power switch 16:33 us{0gb VanessaE, that's because computers didn't use to be difficult because they didn't run WIndows. 16:33 us{0gb (That's about the lack of courses in the past.) 16:33 Jordach terminals ftw 16:33 VanessaE I dunno, computers back in the day were essentially CLI-based. 16:33 VanessaE a lot of people would argue that such things are more complicated than a GUI 16:34 VanessaE (of course we had GEOS, so that answers to that argument) 16:34 Jordach emacs anyone 16:34 Calinou us{0gb: fully free distros are unusable on most hardware 16:34 VanessaE what are people doing so badly wrong these days that it's become so complicated to use and learn? 16:34 us{0gb More complicated than a normal GUI, yes. More complicated than WIndows including all the maintenance you have to do because Windows breaks itself, no. 16:35 us{0gb Calinou, I'm having that very issue right now. 16:35 VanessaE us{0gb: true enough 16:35 us{0gb What is the magic power switch? 16:36 * VanessaE looks at her survival server's map and frowns at there not being a whole lot of development uet 16:36 VanessaE yet* 16:36 VanessaE you know, the one that cuts the power and reboots when all else fails? 16:36 VanessaE like the "magic reset button" 16:37 us{0gb Oh, sorry, I misread again. I read "booting", not "rebooting". It makes more sense as "rebooting". 16:37 us{0gb I thought he was booting via an unusual switch. 16:37 VanessaE heh 16:37 VanessaE brain cramp ;) 16:37 us{0gb I use a button to boot my computer as well. 16:38 dafull97 im back for a few... haha 16:38 VanessaE wb 16:38 ShadowNinja Jordach: 60x60 limit. :-( 16:38 Jordach ShadowNinja, do what i did 16:39 dafull97 pitrss, are you here? 16:39 Jordach scale the 8x8 face to 64, then crop the four pixels 16:40 dafull97 To all! - What is your recommended RAM for a 45 person Server 16:40 VanessaE 45 people? 16:40 VanessaE about 8 cores at 4.5GHz each and 32GB RAM 16:40 us{0gb I don't know. A lot? 16:40 VanessaE :P 16:40 PilzAdam depends 16:40 Dan_D|ipod Hi guys 16:40 us{0gb 32 GIB ... yeah, that would be a beast. 16:40 PilzAdam dafull97, what game and mods do you want to run? 16:40 VanessaE Dan_D|ipod: told you. 16:40 us{0gb Hello! 16:41 VanessaE ha! 16:41 dafull97 i run 0gb_game 16:41 Dan_D|ipod What did you tell me 16:42 VanessaE Dan_D|ipod: did you finally break it? :) 16:42 dafull97 and like 15 mods? 16:42 Dan_D|ipod Not yet 16:42 VanessaE dafull97: number of mods doesn't matter much. I run a total of 78 on mine 16:42 PilzAdam dafull97, not "how many mods", but "what mods" 16:42 VanessaE (and the server doesn't routinely exceed 1GB, if that much) 16:42 us{0gb PilzAdam, very true. 16:43 Dan_D|ipod Eg, unified dyes vs some small mod 16:43 dafull97 um, let me look... i have landrush and currency, firearms mod 16:43 VanessaE unified dyes IS small. 16:43 dafull97 simple mobs 16:43 VanessaE now, you put some of paramat's mods on there...you better have some GOOD hardware :) 16:43 PilzAdam ugh, then limit max players to 10 16:43 Dan_D|ipod Xubuntu takes ages to load... It is still 'configuring hardware' 16:44 Calinou probably not normal 16:44 VanessaE Dan_D|ipod: of course, because you're running it on a netbook and you're not even running it on bare hardware 16:44 Calinou VanessaE: MT server isn't multithreaded so you just need 2 cores... 16:44 dafull97 WanessaE, what you mean? do i have some of his mods on there? 16:44 Calinou but fast ones 16:44 VanessaE Calinou: it IS multithreaded, just not very efficiently so. 16:44 Dan_D|ipod What about having more trees, plus animals_modpack, plus technic? Lag is what you get 16:44 us{0gb When Xubuntu takes forexer to load, something is broken. Xubuntu is like lightening. 16:44 VanessaE (the mapgen can run several threads, but the results are... not the best) 16:45 us{0gb *forever 16:45 Dan_D|ipod It is the first time booting, it is setting itself up 16:45 VanessaE oh, it's probably still installing then 16:46 Dan_D|ipod Yeah 16:46 dafull97 VanessaE, what you mean? do i have some of his mods on there? 16:46 VanessaE well that doesn't count. 16:46 VanessaE dafull97: doubt it. I was making a joke. 16:46 VanessaE Dan_D|ipod: just let it finish 16:46 VanessaE on slow hardware, it takes about 45 minutes to install Xubuntu 16:46 Dan_D|ipod Aha, says it is running update-grub. will this get rid of kolobrios? 16:46 VanessaE yes 16:47 Dan_D|ipod Yay 16:47 VanessaE at the expense of putting xubuntu in its place :P 16:47 Dan_D|ipod I never really wanted Kolibrios 16:47 dafull97 VanessaE, ohhh... sorry new still haha 16:47 Dan_D|ipod It was stupid 16:47 dafull97 all my mods!!! - currency farming_plus firearms_guns firearms_spawners firearmslib jail landrush locked_furnace locked_sign maptools mobs rulepop tnt 16:48 VanessaE I don't see anything particularly heavy in that list. 16:48 VanessaE tnt can slow a server down while it's detonating, but that's about it I guess 16:48 dafull97 no, really simple stuff til i get bigger 16:48 dafull97 tn can? 16:48 dafull97 tnt* 16:48 VanessaE now try moretrees + plants_lib :) 16:48 PilzAdam VanessaE, "nothing heavy"? have you missed the "mobs" part? 16:49 VanessaE PilzAdam: I assume he means simple mobs. not a particularly heavy mod that I've seen 16:49 VanessaE mobs != mobf 16:49 Dan_D|ipod Bah, I keep hitting the to back a page button 16:49 PilzAdam VanessaE, I happen to know what my mods are called 16:49 Dan_D|ipod Lol 16:49 PilzAdam but anyway, with many people mobs wont run very repsonsive (I think) 16:50 Dan_D|ipod Who here has the Hill Climb Racer app? 16:50 Dan_D|ipod Or jet pack joyride? 16:51 Jordach Dan_D|ipod, shush 16:51 Dan_D|ipod Why? 16:51 dafull97 VanessaE, Yes it was simple mobs 16:51 PilzAdam VanessaE, you run simplemobs on your survival server? 16:51 Dan_D|ipod I dunna wanna shush 16:51 PilzAdam how does it perform? 16:51 Dan_D|ipod Laggu 16:52 VanessaE PilzAdam: other than the entity duplication issues, it behaves just fine 16:52 PilzAdam I guess you connect over Lan to the server? 16:52 Dan_D|ipod The mobs sometimes don't attack, and sometimes their animations don't change to the attack one when they chase you 16:52 VanessaE I have it on both servers, with the survival one allowing for hostile mobs also. 16:52 us{0gb Hmm. Clementine has the annoying feature of remaining active even when you close the window, but I can live with that a lot better than I can live with Rythmbox playing every mp3 on my hard drive when I only tell it to play one song. 16:52 Calinou it's not a bad thing 16:53 Calinou hides it from alt+tab 16:53 VanessaE my client runs on the same machine as the server, so I never see network latency, but regular server lag of course shows up as bad for me as for anyone else 16:53 VanessaE I haven't noticed that mobs causes any such lag 16:53 us{0gb Also, I seem to have to open Clementine twice for it to actually open. 16:53 thexyz us{0gb: use deadbeef 16:53 * harrison tires of being an insect and goes back to being a cuttlefish 16:53 * harrison drifts closer to the reef 16:53 Jordach us{0gb, first is minimise to tray, second is window 16:54 Dan_D|ipod I get it a lot, also, sometimes I am near them and don't take damage, then start taking damage somewhere else after I have killed them: 16:54 Jordach (for me i just right click it then press play) 16:54 VanessaE Dan_D|ipod: that's more a problem of server lag than network latency 16:54 VanessaE since the mapgen itself more or less runs in the same thread as the Lua stuff 16:54 us{0gb Jordach, I see that, but that still is cumbersome to have to find it in the menu twice before choosing a song. 16:54 * harrison suddenly jets away in a cloud of ink 16:55 dafull97 VanessaE, mobs havnt lagged for me... with 256mb RAM how many people could i host? 16:55 sdzen so apparently my harddrive has finally joined its brothers in the cloud. no minetest for me until I stop running off a cd drive. 16:55 PilzAdam VanessaE, it doesnt exactly run in the same thread, but it locks it 16:55 PilzAdam (Lua locks mapgen) 16:55 us{0gb thexyz, deadbeef does not appear to be in the repository. 16:55 VanessaE PilzAdam: close enough, same effect anyway. hence the "more or less" part. 16:55 VanessaE also, when I wrote "mobs != mobf", I figured you'd misread it. 16:55 PilzAdam In Minetest everything generally locks everything else 16:56 VanessaE not that you don't know your mods. 16:56 sdzen what repo doesnt have deadbeef? 16:56 thexyz us{0gb: what's your distro? 16:56 sdzen mplayer for all your wants and needs :) 16:56 dafull97 *ALL* - how many people could i host with what i provided above? 16:57 thexyz mplayer for music is not the best choice 16:57 us{0gb thexyz, Trisquel. Perhaps deadbeef is proprietary? I lack proprietary stuff in my repos. 16:57 Dan_D|ipod Okay Xubuntu, here I come! 16:57 PilzAdam dafull97, yourself at the same PC, firearms and mobs arent fun over a larger network 16:57 VanessaE Dan_D|ipod: good luck 16:57 dafull97 PilzAdam, what you mean? 16:57 us{0gb sdzen, mplayer is basically what I have when I use my movie player to play music files. 16:58 thexyz us{0gb: no, it's GPL'd, but well, have fun with your distro 16:59 us{0gb Hmm. I wonder why it's missing then. I'll ask in the other channel after I have time to research it a bit. 16:59 thexyz yeah, really, why could it be 16:59 thexyz let me make a wild guess… no, that'd be too harsh 16:59 Jordach haha 17:00 thexyz us{0gb: anyway, you can compile it from sources 17:00 Jordach brb - BACON BAGELS 17:00 VanessaE Jordach: GIMME! 17:00 us{0gb That's a good point. I might do that. 17:01 ShadowNinja Why two us.0gb's? 17:01 thexyz aren't we celebrating gnu 30th anniversary today? 17:02 PilzAdam thexyz, no reason to do that 17:02 PilzAdam (see topic) 17:02 us{0gb ShadowNinja, my hand slipped, and I joined Freenode twice. 17:03 dafull97 PilzAdam, what you mean? 17:03 sfan5 someone mentioned Minetest in /r/Minecraft on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/1n8hgw/i_know_my_computer_probably_wont_be_able_to_run/ccggd6a 17:03 sdzen what magic do you imploy to duplicate with just a slight of hand magician? 17:03 thexyz sfan5: and what? 17:04 us{0gb sdzen, a magician never tells. 17:04 thexyz lol 17:04 thexyz nice comments 17:04 VanessaE "Once it can load in MC maps, it'll be great" 17:04 sfan5 normally people mentioning mc clones in /r/Minecraft get downvoted into hell 17:04 VanessaE HAH! 17:04 thexyz > Is this made in Java? 17:04 sfan5 ^ plol 17:04 thexyz > Mainly in Lua with a smattering of C++. 17:05 sfan5 > Was that the language that Escape from Monkey Island was written in? 17:06 us{0gb "Once it can load in MC maps, it'll be great!" 17:06 VanessaE us{0gb: you're lagging :P 17:06 us{0gb Not this time, I'm just slow. 17:07 Dan_D Haha 17:07 us{0gb Oh, wow. You already said that. 17:07 us{0gb Sorry, my bad. That was just me not reading fully. 17:07 Dan_D First speech from Xubuntu: Hi! 17:07 us{0gb Hello! 17:07 us{0gb How is it? 17:07 VanessaE Dan_D: it works? excellent. 17:07 Dan_D Very fast 17:07 VanessaE I told you it would be :) 17:07 us{0gb Ignoring freedom, Xubuntu is probably my favorite. 17:07 Dan_D MUCH faster than any OS except KolibriOS, which is still there apparently 17:07 VanessaE now give it two days and your underlying windows filesystem will trash it ;) 17:08 Dan_D No VanessaE, that shall not happen. 17:08 dafull97 what is faster Xubuntu or Ubuntu 17:08 sfan5 windows will trash anything 17:08 VanessaE it must have detected the old grub boot record and chose to retain it. no worries. 17:08 sfan5 dafull97: xubuntu 17:08 Dan_D Xubuntu is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay faster 17:08 VanessaE Dan_D: now try it with minetest :) 17:08 dafull97 What is the fastest linux os? 17:08 VanessaE dafull97: depends on what oyu're doing. 17:08 sdzen depends on what you need in a distro 17:09 us{0gb Fastest? SOmething without a desktop. 17:09 sfan5 ^ 17:09 sdzen and VanessaE beat me 17:09 Dan_D VanessaE, how do I get the latest Minetest nightly build, in Xubuntu? 17:09 VanessaE HIYAH! YAH! *insert other random chop-socky here* 17:09 VanessaE ;) 17:09 * us{0gb does not recommend running without a desktop, however 17:09 VanessaE Dan_D: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/README.txt#L83 17:09 VanessaE folow this, to the letter. 17:09 dafull97 overall, with a desktop of corse 17:09 Dan_D Ok 17:09 sfan5 us{0gb: servers too? :P 17:09 sdzen I am sure someone here is running full cli 17:09 ShadowNinja I know someone that can get a server to boot in 1.5s with only slightly higher-end hardware. 17:09 * sdzen calls out 17:10 VanessaE Dan_D: with one exception: you could just git clone the sources instead of grabbing zips if you want to. 17:10 us{0gb Well, servers are different. My server has no desktop, but it's not being used as a client either. 17:10 us{0gb My server runs headless. Like a chicken. 17:10 Dan_D Also, I want it to be all in a folder on the desktop, RUN_IN_PLACE I think the term is. 17:11 VanessaE Dan_D: there is also a nightlies PPA, here: https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/daily-builds 17:11 VanessaE (the PPA is much easier to use) 17:11 sdzen but what if Dan_D has a curfew? :) 17:11 Dan_D VanessaE, can you tellme how to install the nightly as a run in place build, easily 17:12 VanessaE Dan_D: the nightlies PPA isn't run-in-place 17:12 VanessaE it's a system-wide installer 17:12 Jordach what if i told you that Xubuntu is M$ owned 17:12 VanessaE I'd say bite your tongue 17:12 sdzen I would believe it 17:12 VanessaE Dan_D: for linux run-in-place you'll have to compile. 17:12 dafull97 you guys that run your servers 24/7 from home how do you generate money to pay for electric? haha 17:12 Jordach dafull97, solar power 17:12 Jordach VanessaE uses that iirc 17:12 sdzen slaves 17:12 Dan_D Okay, not run_in_place,but how to get the latest basically, and keep it updated? 17:13 VanessaE dafull97: my total power bill runs me less than $100 a month in the summer, and about $150 in the winter. the PC barely registers,. 17:13 VanessaE Dan_D: the PPA. 17:13 Dan_D VanessaE, how to use the ppa 17:13 sdzen VanessaE, do you use appliances or are you foraging for berries? 17:13 Dan_D Is there a big fat 'Install Minetest Here!' Button? 17:13 VanessaE open a terminal and do: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:minetestdevs/daily-builds; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install minetestc55 17:14 VanessaE that'll install it in one line. 17:14 Dan_D Ok 17:14 VanessaE sdzen: appliances. 17:14 dafull97 what is the differance between Xubntu and Ubuntu 17:14 sdzen DE 17:14 VanessaE oven, washing machine, dryer, dish washer, two microwaves, fridge. the usual. 17:14 sdzen 2? 17:14 Dan_D How do I keep it updated? 17:14 Jordach Xubuntu has a faster GUI, Ubuntu? SLOOOOOWWWW 17:14 VanessaE dafull97: Xubuntu is the Ubuntu base stuff plus XFCE and related imagery 17:14 us{0gb Ubuntu has a pesky interface and is slower. It also comes with Amazon ads. 17:15 VanessaE Dan_D: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade 17:15 VanessaE minetest will be updated along with the rest of the system 17:15 VanessaE think "patch tuesday" but without all the reboots. 17:15 Dan_D How do I get the terminal? 17:15 sdzen unity is an evil version of gnome 17:15 dafull97 im thinking hard about switching to Xubuntu, Dan_D how much faster is it? 17:15 Dan_D Also, I only want to update Minetest,not everything 17:15 VanessaE Dan_D: in the Xfce menu, Accessories 17:15 Dan_D Xubuntu is like ligtning on My Netbook 17:15 VanessaE there are a few terminals listed there. Choose your favorite. 17:16 Dan_D Ah tahsnk 17:16 VanessaE (Xfce's terminal is in Xfce menu -> System) 17:16 us{0gb Same here. Xubuntu is way fast on my laptop as well. 17:16 Jordach ctrl + t (if your DE/UI does this) 17:16 VanessaE Windows-F1 for me :) 17:16 Calinou disable compositing for free FPSes in your games 17:17 thexyz ctrl + alt + t 17:17 dafull97 i mainly swirtched to Linux because people say its faster than windows, i have older Laptop.... then i "fell in love" with it hahahaha 17:17 VanessaE (that keystroke is based on a keyboard I had years ago, where there were some generic media keys. the one I used for the terminal was right above F1) 17:17 Jordach thexyz, it's that way round iirc 17:17 * dafull97 is better than VanessaE, not really... haha 17:17 thexyz now enjoy your tearing 17:18 * Jordach had a joke; was too offensive 17:18 Dan_D The one thing I don't like about Xubuntu is whenever I move my mouse to the bottom of the screen to select this box to type stuff in the IRC client, the applications bar pops up and blocks my line of sight. 17:19 Jordach Dan_D, that bar can be disabled 17:19 Calinou first thing I do after xubuntu install: remove bottom panel (dock) 17:19 Jordach i have done so before 17:19 Dan_D Ok 17:19 us{0gb Dan_D, I know, that can be a bit annoying at times, but if you don't want to get used to it, you can remove that bottom bar. 17:19 VanessaE Calinou: two docks, autohide, with the launcher at the top. 17:19 Calinou on my netbook I autohide top panel too 17:19 Dan_D VanessaE, what was the sudo command to just update Minetest and nothing else? 17:20 Calinou Dan_D: depends on how you installed it 17:20 Calinou if you installed it from sources, git pull 17:20 dafull97 Dan_D make Youtube video? i would love to see it before i switched 17:20 VanessaE Dan_D: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install minetestc55 17:20 VanessaE Calinou: nightlies PPA. 17:20 Dan_D Ok thankis 17:20 Dan_D dafull97, I can't really make a video, but you can try a dual boot of it or a live CD 17:21 dafull97 ok, thanks anyway =D 17:21 dafull97 be back in a few 17:21 VanessaE Dan_D: the "update" step tells the package manager (apt) to download the latest program listings and trawl through them looking for new versions. apt-get upgrade actually downloads those new versions. apt-get dist-upgrade is more agressive, but I forget what the real difference is. 17:22 Dan_D How do I remove the bottom panel? 17:23 rubenwardy Hi all 17:23 Dan_D Never mind 17:23 us{0gb Hello! 17:23 Dan_D This IRC client is so much better thanks Mozilla Firefix 17:23 VanessaE Dan_D: right click -> panel -> panel preferences 17:23 Dan_D *FireFox 17:23 thexyz I want blu ray 3d support in Linux, what do I do? 17:23 Dan_D So I, to update minetest, do: 17:24 VanessaE thexyz: ehm...that's still iffy but I guess VLC and some commercial util 17:24 Dan_D sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install minetestc55 17:24 VanessaE Dan_D: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install minetestc55 17:24 VanessaE yes 17:24 Dan_D Yay 17:24 Dan_D I actually remembered something for once :P 17:24 thexyz VanessaE: correct answer is either to install windows or mess with wine and reencoding 17:25 Dan_D Where will the minetest icon/whatever be? 17:25 VanessaE thexyz: no, there's some stuff for linux to do it now. you basically have to rip the disc first though 17:25 VanessaE Dan_D: I don't know that it'll be in the menus. 17:25 VanessaE run it from Alt-F2 17:25 VanessaE or from a terminal 17:25 thexyz VanessaE: I'm sure there is not but could you kindly give me the links? I think H.264 MVC isn't implemented in ffmpeg/libav 17:25 VanessaE or add it to your panel if you want 17:25 thexyz so there's no chance of BD3D working 17:25 us{0gb Installing Windows is never the correct answer. 17:25 Dan_D How to from terminal? 17:26 VanessaE Dan_D: just "minetest" :) 17:26 Dan_D Ok 17:26 thexyz and, well, if it's not implemented in ffmpeg/libav then it's probably not implemented anywhere 17:26 VanessaE thexyz: been too long since I read about it. 17:26 Dan_D Sounds simple enough 17:26 Dan_D Wait-GIMP comes with Xubuntu? Awesome! 17:27 thexyz VanessaE: okay, I have VLC laying around, let's see 17:27 Jordach thexyz, what point of VLC does everything don't you ever understand 17:27 VanessaE thexyz: looks like it does it via the usual win32codecs hook 17:27 us{0gb The Minetest icon should be in the menu under "Games". 17:27 VanessaE Dan_D: yes 17:27 Dan_D Also, my school uses GIMP 2.8 which is almost impossible to use 17:27 * Jordach prefers 2.6.12 17:27 Jordach i aint upgrading ever 17:27 VanessaE us{0gb: oh, so it is! I didn't realize it got added to the menu. 17:27 Jordach as long as it remains compatible with future versions of windows, i'll use it 17:28 us{0gb It does from the stable PPA, anyway. I don't know for sure about the nightly PPA. 17:28 VanessaE Jordach: I hated it at first, and still hate the export-versus-save duality, but after a while you get used to it and actually find yourself missing it when you have to use 2.6 17:28 VanessaE us{0gb: it does from source too. never noticed before. 17:29 us{0gb It does from source? I've never had it do that from source. Maybe it's disabled if you tell it to run in place. 17:29 * us{0gb always runs in place when compiling 17:29 Jordach VanessaE, 2.6 ftw, i dont like the Photoshop like UI 17:29 Dan_D Wow, 15FPS in Minetest,that is 8 more FPS than in Windows 17:29 * Jordach isn't a fan of PS either 17:29 Jordach I've grown up on 2.6, i'll die using 2.6 17:30 Dan_D I like GIMP 2.6 17:30 Dan_D It is nice 17:30 us{0gb The only thing PhotoShop is good for is editing real-life objects. 17:30 us{0gb http://xkcd.com/331/ 17:31 thexyz VanessaE: I don't see any proof of VLC being able to play BD3D (are you sure you're not talking about BD? those are very different things) 17:31 Dan_D Also, I like the concept of IRC clients, I never knew they existed until today 17:31 VanessaE thexyz: as I said, it's been too long since I read up on it. 17:31 thexyz VanessaE: but you did read up on it? 17:32 us{0gb Yeah, IRC clients are more convenient than the web interface usually. 17:32 VanessaE the some time ago, yes but maybe it was plain BD and not BD3D 17:32 thexyz or you don't remember and said "it works" just because you got confused and thought I was talking about BD 17:32 thexyz right 17:32 VanessaE where did I say "it works"? 17:32 thexyz BD is not interesting at all 17:32 VanessaE [09-27 13:28] thexyz: ehm...that's still iffy but I guess VLC and some commercial util 17:32 thexyz okay 17:32 * us{0gb thinks "BD" looks like a face 17:33 thexyz > no, there's some stuff for linux to do it now. you basically have to rip the disc first though 17:33 VanessaE yeah, there I misread BD3D as just BD 17:33 Dan_D Okay, I will amend my previous statement. Any distro ending in buntu is shit, unless it starts with Z 17:33 Dan_D *I mean X 17:33 thexyz okay 17:33 thexyz that's bad 17:33 VanessaE sooner or later it'll happen. 17:34 Dan_D And I will install Xubuntu as the first program installation when I get a new laptop definately 17:35 thexyz VanessaE: replies from developers look like "The reason 3D isn't implemented in any major media players is because nobody cares about 3D except television manufacturers. Also because there's no standardized method of outputting 3D video. There's about 6 different methods out there, at least, all of them mutually contradictory; just see Youtube's "3D player" for an example of the madness." 17:35 thexyz also something along the lines of "it sucks anyway" 17:35 Dan_D Is it possible to select and copy posts from IRC, rather than memorising them? 17:35 thexyz http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1462086&postcount=11 17:36 thexyz guess that's not going to happen 17:36 Jordach Dan_D, copy and paste is possible 17:36 Jordach just highlight the text + nick and ctrl + c, then ctrl+v somewhere else 17:36 Dan_D I can't highlight the text though 17:36 us{0gb WHat client, Pidgin? 17:37 us{0gb Use XChat instead. 17:37 Dan_D It is Xchat 17:37 khonkhortisan 3D is supposed to be stored as complete frames for both eyes, then processed for whichever viewing method is being used, to be able to change the method 17:37 us{0gb XChat also comes with Xubuntu. 17:37 Jordach * Received CTCP-VERSION answer from Dan_D: xchat 2.8.8 Ubuntu 17:37 us{0gb Oh, my bad. 17:37 us{0gb I don't know why it wouldn't be working then ... 17:37 Calinou Dan_D: I hardly enjoy Minetest with 15 fps, especially with low settings... 17:37 Dan_D VanessaE, you installed pyramids on your server? 17:37 khonkhortisan Quoting a ctcp makes me think I'm getting one from you 17:37 VanessaE yes 17:38 Dan_D Internet is quite slow here... 17:38 us{0gb Dan_D, are you right clicking to copy or are you using control + c? 17:38 khonkhortisan or middle clicking to copy? 17:38 Dan_D I can't select text in the first place 17:39 us{0gb Okay, that's odd. 17:39 Dan_D Yeah 17:39 Dan_D Will exiting the terminal that Mt is running from make Mt close, in Xubuntu? 17:39 khonkhortisan shift-left/right can highlight if you already have a cursor 17:39 VanessaE yes 17:40 Dan_D Okay 17:40 VanessaE if you [X] out of it 17:40 VanessaE better to close minetest properly 17:40 khonkhortisan but not in a terminal 17:40 Dan_D What about running the sudo command in the same terminal? 17:40 Jordach never run minetestserver or minetest as root 17:40 VanessaE why would you use sudo except to update? 17:40 Dan_D I opened terminal, and typed minetest 17:40 us{0gb No, never run the server as root. 17:41 Dan_D It then ran from that terminal 17:41 VanessaE right. 17:41 VanessaE just minimize the terminal then 17:41 Dan_D And I wanted to try and install Wine at the same time 17:41 VanessaE the [_] button in the title bar. 17:41 VanessaE oh, for that just go through Synaptic or something 17:41 VanessaE or open another terminal 17:41 VanessaE you can have as many open as you want 17:42 Jordach Wine is not exemplar. 17:42 Dan_D Is it sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get instal wine 17:42 Dan_D *install 17:42 VanessaE thexyz: well if that's the state of things, I guess there's nothing much to say 17:42 Jordach lol 3D TV 17:42 VanessaE some day, maybe it'll happen after the aforementioned 3d format mess is straightened out 17:42 Jordach it's pointless 17:42 VanessaE Dan_D: should be yes 17:43 Dan_D Minetest freezes when loading pyramids_mummy.x 17:43 Dan_D When connecting to your server 17:43 VanessaE give it time to load the models 17:43 Jordach Why play GTA5 when you've got Modern Warfare 2 going on outside :P 17:43 Dan_D I got a timeout error 17:44 Dan_D Also, Black Ops 2 is broken on my Xbox 17:44 VanessaE that's okay, just disconnect, wait 45 seconds, and try again 17:44 Dan_D I am re-trying to connect now 17:44 Jordach woah 17:44 Jordach Dan_D, haha mine works 17:44 Dan_D Black Ops 2? 17:44 Jordach mhm 17:44 khonkhortisan 3d gaming is better than 3d tv 17:45 Calinou enjoy your halved FPS, khonkhortisan 17:45 Calinou as if today's GPUs were too fast 17:45 Dan_D It freezes and requires the button to be pressed on the Xbox in either multiplayer or Zombies, but not cmpaign 17:45 Jordach Calinou, the 3DS handles it fine 17:45 khonkhortisan I just halve my width (cross-eyed) 17:46 Jordach Dan_D, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=110635#p110635 17:46 Dan_D Lol 17:47 Jordach i can pixel art on any medium 17:47 Jordach * 17:48 Dan_D I can't install wine, because 3 things are currently unavailable. 17:48 * Jordach prods sfan5 17:48 VanessaE Dan_D: pastebin please? 17:48 Dan_D So off to the software centre... 17:48 Dan_D I did: 17:48 Dan_D sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install wine 17:49 VanessaE I meant the error part silly :P 17:49 Dan_D Ok 17:49 sfan5 Jordach: what? 17:49 Dan_D How am I meant to memorise the long error message? 17:49 Jordach http://paste.ubuntu.com/6163704/ 17:49 Jordach sfan5, ^ 17:49 VanessaE Dan_D: copy&paste 17:50 Dan_D How do I select the error message though? 17:50 VanessaE the same way you would in windows,. 17:50 VanessaE highlight with the mouse, right click -> "Copy" 17:50 Dan_D Well, click and drag doesn't work 17:50 khonkhortisan screenshot as last resort 17:50 VanessaE then go to a pastebin and right click->paste 17:50 sfan5 Jordach: dunno, may be my router 17:50 Jordach (your service was broken earlier) 17:50 Dan_D So I can't highlight the text 17:50 VanessaE you can't highlight in the terminal 17:50 VanessaE ? 17:50 Dan_D So how do I select the error message? 17:51 VanessaE you can't highlight in the terminal ? 17:51 * Jordach uploads something large 17:51 thexyz VanessaE: I don't see any relation between decoding MVC and outputing 3d though I'm not the one to judge what should those people do with their free time; just saying that this argument is totally invalid; moreover, hdmi 1.4a spec has 3d section which is quite clear; and the easiest way to implement it seems to support 1920×2205 resolution (it is interpreted as 2 1920×1080 frames over/under, with 45 pixel empty space between) 17:51 Dan_D No I can't 17:51 VanessaE Dan_D: screenshot then 17:51 thexyz Jordach: you sure have a strong argument here 17:51 Dan_D What is the screenshot keybind? 17:51 VanessaE Dan_D: Printscreen 17:51 Dan_D Then what? 17:52 Jordach current project: http://sfan5.duckdns.org/upload/userdata/3/Page1.png 17:52 VanessaE Dan_D: then upload to imgur or something, like usual 17:52 Dan_D Ok 17:52 Jordach 1.48mb oops :P 17:53 sfan5 aww shit 17:53 sfan5 I shouldn't allow file listing on userdata dirs 17:53 * Jordach lols 17:53 Jordach b-b-b-but im the only user of secret links 17:53 Dan_D http://s9.postimg.org/mzome17bj/Screenshot_270913_18_52_15.png 17:53 rubenwardy Jordach: one the second box, the bubbles are wrong 17:54 thexyz that didn't take too long to realise 17:54 Jordach rubenwardy, the lighting bolt indicates shouting, or forms of agression 17:54 rubenwardy it is read jordach first then mum 17:54 Jordach rubenwardy, fuck it 17:54 Dan_D I only have the Ubuntu software center, the Xchat client, and the terminal running 17:54 * Jordach says fuck the rules 17:54 thexyz sfan5 will soon figure he shouldn't be using apache either 17:54 Dan_D Software center is now installing wine 17:54 rubenwardy It confused me 17:54 Dan_D Because terminal gave that error 17:54 sfan5 thexyz: I shouldn't be? 17:55 Jordach Dan_D, i has a bigger screen 17:55 Dan_D Err? What? 17:55 Dan_D I has been using a netbooks 17:55 Jordach Dan_D, close ubuntu software centre 17:55 thexyz sfan5: yes, stop using apache2 now and begin to live in wonderful apache-less world 17:55 Jordach that's currently locking the dir apt-get needs 17:55 Dan_D It is half-way through installing Wine though 17:56 sfan5 thexyz: who will make my .htaccess files work with nginx/lighttpd? 17:56 VanessaE OH 17:56 Dan_D Because Using terminal didn'twork, so I resorted to software centre 17:56 VanessaE dan you didn't say you still had the software center open. 17:56 VanessaE this is a completely normal error 17:56 Dan_D I only opened it after the error 17:56 VanessaE only one program at a time may have the apt database open 17:56 thexyz sfan5: you don't need .htaccess files 17:56 Dan_D Then had it open when I screenshotted 17:57 Dan_D Why is Wine so damn slow???? 17:57 Dan_D At installing??? 17:57 sfan5 thexyz: how do I tell the server not to interpret .php files as php code then? 17:57 VanessaE because it's bit? 17:57 VanessaE big* 17:57 Dan_D Oh yeah, good point 17:57 Jordach rubenwardy, the duvet was a technical cheat: i used the cloth modifier then let it fall over my model and bed, then rendered 17:58 Dan_D Bye guys for now 17:58 VanessaE Dan_D: anyway, you still had something else open that was using the apt database, maybe software center, maybe something else. that'w hy 17:58 VanessaE that's why you got that error. 17:58 VanessaE damn ir 17:58 VanessaE ARHGH#UT*_)&NT*@!()RT*($)@!T*($_@*!!!!!!! 17:58 Jordach !!kick VanessaE 17:58 Jordach spam* 17:58 VanessaE FUCK YOU YOU BROKE-ASS FINGER! 17:58 sfan5 Jordach: fixed it 17:58 Jordach woop 17:58 * VanessaE screams 17:58 * Jordach gets the straight jacket 17:59 thexyz sfan5: I don't understand you; you obviously can do everything .htaccess capable of in nginx, just with different syntax 17:59 sfan5 thexyz: I didn't understand you then 17:59 thexyz dunno about lighttpd but most likely it can do that too 17:59 thexyz sfan5: that's fine, now stop using it 17:59 Jordach fuck nginx 18:00 Jordach thexyz, not everyone has to use your standards 18:00 Dan_D Does Xubuntu come with Java? 18:00 sfan5 nah, I'm very busy (watching animes :P) 18:00 VanessaE Dan_D: no but you can install it from Synaptic 18:00 * Jordach spray paints the VLC cone onto thexyz's computer case 18:00 thexyz sfan5: what are you watching? 18:00 Jordach porn 18:00 Jordach 18:00 sfan5 thexyz: Makai Ouji - Devils and Realist 18:00 thexyz Jordach: of course, that was just a recommendation 18:01 Jordach haha - woah 18:01 Jordach Quassel just froze 18:01 Dan_D So, hows life people? 18:02 Dan_D Also,why are some name greyed out on the nickname area? 18:02 Jordach wtf 18:02 Jordach Dan_D, they're away 18:02 Dan_D Ah 18:02 Jordach now look at my nick 18:02 khonkhortisan /away 18:02 Dan_D How do I make myself come back? 18:03 khonkhortisan /back 18:03 thexyz sfan5: is it good? 18:03 khonkhortisan also, /away 18:03 sfan5 only watched the fitst couple episodes, but: yes, it seems to be good 18:03 sfan5 first* 18:03 Dan_D Come on wine... 18:04 Dan_D Just saying, for some reason Wine doesn't run programs as well as Windows 18:04 Dan_D Even though people say it's better 18:06 Dan_D How do I find my Windows files? Only D:\ appears, not C:\ 18:06 us{0gb Wine runs some applications better and others worse. 18:07 us{0gb No C:? THat's odd ... 18:07 thexyz why do you need wine? 18:07 Dan_D To run Windowsprograms 18:08 VanessaE Dan_D: windows files will show up as something like "8GB filesystem" or similar in your file manager 18:08 VanessaE whatever the size of the partition is 18:08 VanessaE WINE is not meant for running stuff from your windows partitions 18:08 Dan_D Yeah, there is 139Gb partition that is D:\, but no 89Gb, which is C:\ 18:09 VanessaE the idea is that you copy your programs from there TO the linux side and run them locally, but there's a lot WINE can't do. you will have to continue to dual-boot. 18:09 VanessaE eventually when you've got just linux running on bare hardware, you can use a virtual machine 18:10 Dan_D Yes, but I want wine to run Windowsprograms, I just can't find them to copy them across 18:10 VanessaE the windows filesystem may be mounted differently i.e. maybe it's a folder under /media or so 18:10 Dan_D Also, is there a sudo command for notepad++? 18:10 VanessaE remember, you're running linux on top of a windows filesystem. 18:10 VanessaE you don't need sudo to run a notepad. 18:11 VanessaE use leafpad. 18:11 Dan_D It was 89Gb for Kubuntu,Ubuntu, and Lubuntu 18:11 thexyz Dan_D: no, no, what programs do you need to run? 18:11 Dan_D And I want Notepad++, I am used to it 18:11 VanessaE (or mousepad... it's in your menu under accessories.) 18:11 thexyz I'm sure there are better alternatives 18:11 Dan_D No, Notepad++ absolutely rules the Multiverses! 18:12 Dan_D Unless there is not Linux Version 18:12 VanessaE Dan_D: then download it from its website and install it using WINE 18:12 Dan_D I already have it on windows 18:12 Jordach it should run in WINE afaik 18:12 VanessaE but you're better off using a native linux program instead 18:12 thexyz this is really dumb 18:12 Dan_D What is the best alternative? 18:12 VanessaE I use gedit 18:13 * Jordach does too, when on Mint 18:13 Dan_D Well, wine has a Browse C:\ option. 18:13 VanessaE geany seems popular too 18:13 VanessaE that's C:/ on your linux partition - a fake directory for wine 18:13 Jordach geany eats everything IIRC 18:13 VanessaE it does not point to the real windows. 18:13 proller Dan_D, geany 18:13 thexyz you didn't tell us what do you need editor for 18:13 Dan_D Leafpad is a 'Simple Text Editor' Can it do macros and such? 18:14 VanessaE dunno, never used it 18:14 Dan_D Is it a full blown coding software 18:14 Dan_D Answer = Nope.avi 18:14 Jordach Dan_D, then look no further 18:14 Jordach Geany does that 18:14 Dan_D Ok 18:14 Jordach Geany is like N++ 18:14 Jordach and it does have the tabs 18:14 Dan_D Or I could just use Wine and Notepad++ 18:15 kaeza inb4 vim 18:15 VanessaE bite your tongue, kaeza 18:15 Jordach Dan_D, http://www.geany.org/Documentation/Screenshots 18:15 thexyz yeah, vim is good 18:16 Dan_D A light and fast IDE Using GTK2 18:16 Dan_D Is this Geany? 18:16 Jordach yes 18:16 thexyz it's awesome and free so why not suggest it? 18:16 FreeFull Leafpad is more like Notepad than like Notepad++ 18:16 Dan_D I am installing geany now... 18:16 FreeFull Although there is some functionality in Notepad that isn't in Leafpad, and vice versa 18:17 Dan_D Wow, wine cannot open C:\ drive 18:17 FreeFull Leafpad doesn't have insert date, notepad doesn't have Auto Indent 18:17 VanessaE thexyz: because Dan_D is only 14 and barely understands what he's doing right now? 18:17 Dan_D That is f****** akward 18:17 FreeFull Dan_D: Check your winecfg 18:17 Dan_D Ok 18:17 VanessaE Dan_D: WINE can't access the real windows because the system doesn't know that partition exists. 18:17 VanessaE FreeFull: his linux file managers can't see it. 18:17 Dan_D It could on Kubuntu 18:17 thexyz VanessaE: then he shouldn't be doing that 18:18 kaeza VanessaE, you don't need to be 14 to not understand vim :P 18:18 Dan_D What is this 'vim'? 18:18 Jordach dont. 18:18 VanessaE Dan_D: forget it. 18:18 Jordach you'll pull your own hair out 18:18 VanessaE Dan_D: can of worms. 18:18 kaeza ^ 18:18 thexyz vim is the best text editor ever made 18:18 Jordach bullshit 18:18 Jordach that award goes to notepad 18:18 thexyz on the other hand, emacs is the best text editor too (some people think that, at least) 18:19 Jordach everyone has used it once 18:19 kaeza vim is cat on steroids 18:19 thexyz those who say "notepad" are incompetent fools 18:19 * kaeza runs 18:19 * Jordach has written a vim like app for windows 18:19 Jordach runs in the dos console 18:19 thexyz those who compare it with cat are incompetent even more 18:19 sdzen and not a single person is talking about emacs. 18:19 thexyz 22:17 thexyz: on the other hand, emacs is the best text editor too (some people think that, at least) 18:19 VanessaE what, no love for pico? :) 18:20 VanessaE I cut my teeth on that one :P 18:20 kaeza mp anyone? 18:20 thexyz there are two editors for linux and both are "the best" 18:20 sdzen did see that 18:20 sdzen didnt* 18:20 us{0gb As fare as command line text editors, I prefer pico over vim and emacs. 18:20 VanessaE these days it's either nano or gedit, for me 18:20 VanessaE depending on my mood and the thing being edited. 18:20 thexyz I have no idea what pico is but vim is better for sure 18:21 thexyz right, that's like nano? 18:21 us{0gb Nano is pico. 18:21 VanessaE similar 18:21 thexyz "the editor which can't undo" 18:21 thexyz oh well 18:21 thexyz some people call those editors 18:21 us{0gb I do prefer Gedit. It has undo, pint-and-click, and syntax highlighting. 18:22 thexyz no, wait, nano has EXPERIMENTAL UNDO FEATURE 18:22 sdzen scite.. 18:22 thexyz that's nice 18:22 thexyz us{0gb: vim has those too 18:23 us{0gb Vim and emacs are odd, you have to type a command before you can type? I mean, I guess it makes sense because it's non-graphical, but they aren't the editors for me. I like things being easy. 18:23 VanessaE nano can undo? since when? 18:23 thexyz no, you don't have to type a command 18:23 thexyz I don't know about emacs, but vim has multiple modes 18:24 thexyz I won't explain because you for sure can google 18:24 kaeza ._. 18:24 us{0gb If vim has that feature, it's either newer than the vim I used, or it's some feature that wasn't easily visible. 18:24 thexyz but to enter INSERT mode you just have to press I 18:24 thexyz there are other keys, too 18:24 thexyz but you can google 18:24 kaeza I think he meant you need to type 'i' to start editing 18:24 thexyz yes, and thanks to that there are no crazy ctrl+shift+alt+whatever shortcuts 18:25 us{0gb Yeah. Hitting any key to start editing is what I mean, but I forgot which specific key you have to hit. 18:26 us{0gb I understand these are powerful editors in the right hands, but my hands are not the right hands. 18:27 thexyz did you try it? 18:27 thexyz you don't need to enter hardcore mode and use hjkl when starting: use mouse, use arrows 18:27 us{0gb Try what, vim and emacs? I tried vim, and I saw what I needed to about emacs. 18:28 us{0gb Hmm. Vim entered this "hardcore" mode upon starting for me then. 18:30 thexyz are you sure you were running vim? 18:31 thexyz and not vi, for example 18:31 us{0gb Hmm. It said it was vim and I opened it using the "vim" command in Terminal. 18:32 thexyz sometimes it could be aliased to "vi" 18:32 us{0gb It could be. The header says "VIM - Vi IMproved". 18:32 ShadowNinja vim takes some time to get used to. And I still don't use hjkl. Although I usually find mouse=a anoying. 18:33 thexyz then it's vim, are you sure you have correct settings? 18:33 thexyz ShadowNinja: yes, but it could be easier for beginners 18:33 us{0gb THis is from the start. I don't know how to alter vim's settings. 18:33 us{0gb As I said, if the feature is there, it's no in an easy to find place. 18:33 * us{0gb is no guru 18:34 thexyz maybe 18:34 thexyz you just edit .vimrc 18:34 thexyz I think it may be a good idea to google for some basic .vimrc 18:34 us{0gb See, knowing you need to edit a specific file is not an easy to find place. 18:35 FreeFull The most basic .vimrc is a blank one 18:35 us{0gb I'll do that when I have time. At the moment, I'm trying to fix my suspend issues. 18:35 ShadowNinja My /etc/vimrc: http://ix.io/8g9 18:35 thexyz FreeFull: I didn't say "most basic" 18:35 thexyz you at least need "set nocompatible" 18:35 FreeFull us{0gb: Try running vimtutor 18:36 thexyz > runtime! archlinux.vim 18:36 Dan_D I am back 18:36 us{0gb I'll do that when I have time. At the moment, I'm trying to fix my suspend issues. I know what I need to do to fix the problem, I just don't know how to go about doing that. 18:36 FreeFull thexyz: Having a vimrc actually makes compatible off 18:36 thexyz oh, that's interesting 18:39 Dan_D Oohh, geany looks just like Np++ 18:39 thexyz this is mine https://gist.github.com/xyzz/ceffbd63d3e11e1952d1 18:39 thexyz although I don't remember what some stuff does 18:40 zat Is it really necessary that landrush protected blocks must damage users trying to dig/grief in there? 18:46 ShadowNinja zat: Nope. But Brenaweb thought so. Some even think you should be banned for that. 18:47 us{0gb I thought Land Rush was all about attacking people but only when they were online. 18:47 zat All the new users are getting killed for hitting things nearby as they try to understand the interface. 18:47 us{0gb Banning and damage seem bad for that. 18:48 VanessaE well does the mod print a warning saying that the area is protected/ 18:48 VanessaE ? 18:48 zat Not all players are english speakers. 18:49 VanessaE so? they can learn a few phrases. 18:49 VanessaE all servers have rules, do they not? 18:49 zat I prefer being a little bit less pedantic and let the users figure it out when they see things respawn. 18:53 VanessaE and if they don't "figure it out"? 18:54 VanessaE I mean, at what point do you need to just say "ok this guy is griefing, not learning"? 18:54 Dan_D I have downloaded a tar.bz2 of a game, that is for linux, but what do I do to it to compile or whatever? 18:54 VanessaE Dan_D: terminal. tar jxvf filename.tar.bz2 18:54 VanessaE then cd into the folder it creates and check for build instructions 18:54 Dan_D Thanks 18:54 VanessaE e.g. a README or INSTALL file 18:54 Dan_D Ok Dokay 18:55 VanessaE usually you'll just need to sudo apt-get install build-essential; ./configure; make 18:55 VanessaE the ./configure step will try to find all the libs a program needs. 18:55 VanessaE when it comes back with an error, search Synaptic for the library it wants and install the "-dev" package that corresponds to it 18:55 VanessaE then repeat ./configure until you get no more errors. 18:56 Dan_D 'parently there is 'no such file or directory' 18:57 VanessaE well just look around in the folder 18:57 VanessaE check the website it came from also, there may be build instructions there 18:57 Dan_D Ok 18:58 Dan_D By the looks of things it is of an older version anyway, so off to Wine it is... 19:03 us{0gb WHy do textures never look as good in-game as they do in GIMP? 19:04 us{0gb My nodes look awful. 19:04 VanessaE the game doesn't to proper scaling/antialiasing 19:04 VanessaE I mean it's all nearest-neighbor instead of decent stuff like lanczos or even bicubic 19:05 VanessaE so you see hard, pixelated edges on the imagery 19:05 us{0gb Anti-aliasing ... Doesn't that have to do with causing blur? 19:05 VanessaE not if it's done right 19:05 khonkhortisan antialiasing in minetest causes edge bleed 19:05 zat VanessaE: and what id they dont figure it out, what if they dont learn a few phrases, what if... -- IT IS JUST A DAMN GAME, period. 19:05 PilzAdam I always think the opposite: textures look awful in gimp but pretty good in-game, with the high zoom factor and the tiling 19:05 VanessaE antialiasing is supposed to just smooth the transitions between neighboring pixels 19:05 Tiktalik if your textures look bad in-game 19:05 Tiktalik then you need to make better textures 19:05 Tiktalik you have to check for things like repetitiveness 19:06 Tiktalik and figure out if you really want to be staring at that texture for a good while 19:06 us{0gb PilzAdam, exactly my point. What looks good in GIMP looks bad in Minetest. What looks good in Minetest looks bad in GIMP. 19:06 PilzAdam so, start drawing bad textures :-) 19:06 VanessaE bbl, getting tired 19:07 Tiktalik us{0gb: texturing is completely different than, say, spriting 19:07 us{0gb I tried drawing worse. It didn't help. THare's also images that look bad in both Minetest and GIMP. 19:07 us{0gb Tiktalik, apparently. I have no idea how to texture. 19:08 Tiktalik us{0gb: a good thing to do is create an image four times bigger than the texture you're making 19:08 Tiktalik and then tile your texture in it 19:09 Tiktalik if you've got unpleasant visual things that stand out, like odd lines in your grass 19:09 Tiktalik you need to remove them 19:10 us{0gb I have done that. I am careful to make sure things line up properly. But for example, my new mapgen_junglegrass doesn't tile, and it still looks bad in-game. And things that tile properly and look good in GIMP still don't look good in-game. 19:11 thexyz http://wiki.minetest.net/RPG_mode 19:12 us{0gb Hmm. I don't know about Skyrim or Ender Dragons, but dragons do sound fun. 19:12 thexyz surprisingly enough, the wiki is rather active (there's one guy making a lot of changes) 19:13 kaeza "23:04, 27 September 2013‎ Prestotron55" 19:13 kaeza > Prestotron55 19:13 kaeza .-. 19:14 us{0gb Oh, I've seen Prestotron55 around IRC lately as well. 19:14 PilzAdam "Dragon 23% done" – "Ok lets do the dragon in 100 lines, we have already 23 done!!!111!" 19:15 Dan_D Seriously VanessaE, that pyramids_mummy.x is stopping me from joinging the server. 19:15 kaeza there was a guy, I don't recall if it was on the forums or here, that was asking which one was the "official" wiki, becayse he wanted to contribute 19:15 kaeza -y+u 19:16 PilzAdam kaeza, it was "Wuzzy" on the forums 19:16 * us{0gb considers adding a dirt_with_junglegrass node to his game to make his junglegrass node match it better while still being able to use the more exotic color on mapgen_junglegrass 19:16 zat PilzAdam: what about features implemented? 19:16 thexyz it should be stated at the main page of wiki.minetest.com that wiki was moved 19:16 Dan_D Also VanessaE, what was the server'sirc channel called? 19:16 kaeza PilzAdam, ah, yes 19:17 PilzAdam http://wiki.minetest.net/File:Air.png lol 19:17 kaeza such gimp skills 19:18 us{0gb Oh, right. dirt_with_junglegrass still wouldn't spawn in jungles. My plans are once again foiled. 19:24 kaeza https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=112294#p112294 19:25 jojoa1997 Hi 19:25 kaeza you gotta hate that "Hide extension for known file types" thing of Windows 19:25 kaeza hi jojo 19:27 us{0gb Hello! 19:27 NekoGloop kaeza, That's why it 19:27 NekoGloop 's turned off 19:27 NekoGloop goddamn this keyboard 19:27 Wuzzy Why did you mention my name? 19:28 PilzAdam Wuzzy, are you from the Minetest forums? 19:28 Wuzzy Yes. 19:28 PilzAdam we talked about your wiki contributions 19:32 jojoa1997 Wuzzy what did you add to the wiki 19:35 Jordach this is awesome: http://justgetflux.com/ 19:35 Jordach in fact; my monitor likes displaying bright blue 19:35 Jordach everything's got a yellow-y tint 19:38 PilzAdam reminds me to redshift, which makes your screen red-ish since its easier for your eyes 19:38 Jordach but it doesnt feel like staring into a giant light bulb anyone 19:39 Wuzzy jojoa1997: I only added Air, Dye, Flower, Cotton Seed, Wheat Seed, Category:Stone, Groups, Screwdriver, Minetest.conf (just copied), Category:Sand, Category:Passable, Template:Group Data, Vanilla Minetest game, Time of Day, Controls/Movement modes, Repairing, Controls (copied and edited), Map Generator Evolution (copied), most files seen at Biomes, a shitload of fixes for crafting recipes, redesign of It 19:39 Wuzzy ems and a shitload of smaller things. See full list at 19:40 Wuzzy Oh, and a complete rework of the Crafting page. 19:41 us{0gb Nice! Minetest wiki users everywhere thank you. 19:41 Wuzzy I am now active on wiki.minetest.net, not on wiki.minetest.com anymore. I guess the article copying is done so far. 19:43 thexyz that is great 19:43 thexyz so now we should get someone to set up a redirect 19:44 thexyz Calinou: plz 19:45 thexyz since I don't remember nickname of the guy who hosts it the easiest option will be a javascript-based redirect 19:46 Calinou why the highlight 19:46 NekoGloop calinou pls 19:47 Peacock didn't you know? its Happy Calinou Highlight Day :P 19:47 Jordach Calinou, hey hey Calinou 19:47 NekoGloop HEY! LISTEN! 19:48 Jordach HELLO! 19:48 us{0gb WAKE UP! 19:48 Jordach !op 19:48 Peacock lose the caps, or lose your teeth :P 19:48 Peacock *loose? 19:48 us{0gb Ha ha, the joke's on you. I have no teeth. 19:48 * Calinou drinks atomic punch and walks near level 3 sentry 19:49 * Jordach snipes Calinou 19:50 Peacock atomic punch? i thought we only served that on Tchernobyl Tuesdays 19:50 Jordach or Fukushima Fridays 19:50 ShadowNinja ~pingcalinou 19:50 Jordach :> 19:50 Peacock lol true 19:50 ShadowBot Calinou Calinou Calinou Calinou Calinou Calinou Calinou Calinou Calinou 19:51 Jordach hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha 19:51 Jordach !ping Calinou 19:51 MinetestBot Calinou Calinou Calinou Calinou Calinou Calinou Calinou 19:51 Peacock if they hold the olympics in Japan near Fukushima it will bring new meaning to the term "three legged race" :P 19:51 Jordach it works 19:52 thexyz Calinou: make wiki.minetest.com redirect to wiki.minetest.net 19:52 Calinou not sure if I can 19:52 Peacock use the force 19:52 * Calinou uses the force on Peacock... 19:52 Calinou [segfault] 19:52 Jordach Calinou, O.O 19:52 Peacock but dont shart yourself using the force :P 19:52 us{0gb Minetest still doesn't have sound packs, right? 19:53 Jordach using the force is needed when you've run out of lube... 19:53 * Jordach runs 19:53 Peacock heck people can hardly agree on non-terrible default sounds :P 19:53 thexyz Calinou: you can edit javascript 19:53 us{0gb I meant sound pack support. 19:53 PilzAdam us{0gb, just make a mod that depends on default and has all the soundfiles 19:53 Calinou how would I do that JS redirect? :P 19:54 ShadowNinja Calinou: Just change the main page to

GO TO THE OFFICIAL WIKI

19:54 Peacock well the lua menu should make it easy enough for anyone to write 19:54 Calinou lol 19:54 us{0gb I'm not asking how to implement it server side, I'm making my own stuff that doesn't depend on default, so that's not an issue. I am wondering if clients can override it. 19:55 Peacock how would that work with ambience type mods? 19:55 us{0gb I'm going to "steal" default's sounds though. I can't edit sounds. 19:55 * us{0gb shutters at the thought of ambiance 19:56 zat that href wont work ShadowNinja 19:56 zat would append wiki.minetest.net to the path 19:56 us{0gb Or ambient sounds, rather. 19:56 Peacock its a good idea, but until we can stream sounds or whatever, several mb's of downloading music to join a server is a bit of a drag yes 19:57 Krock Hello people, is it normal to play with 2 FPS with a 3 GHz PC? 19:57 Peacock yes 19:57 Peacock next 19:57 us{0gb I meant I don't like the sounds playing while nothing is happening, not the download time. 19:57 zat Krock: try setting a higher fps rate roflolol 19:57 Peacock ah well me it's the download time 19:57 Jordach Krock, what operating system are you using 19:57 Krock lol the problem is, it won't go higher 19:57 Peacock people timeout two or three times before being able to join 19:57 Krock Windows XP, 2 GB RAM 19:58 Jordach Krock, any graphics cards 19:58 Krock yes, 64 MB 19:58 Jordach theres the problem 19:58 ShadowNinja zat: s/wiki/http:\/\/wiki/ 19:58 Jordach 64mb isnt enough for minetest 19:58 Krock not? o.o 19:58 Jordach you'll need at least 256mb+ 19:58 Jordach or use the intergrated graphics of your motherboard 19:58 zat ShadowNinja: correct kik 19:58 Krock it's the integratd one 19:58 Peacock Minetest runs on old hardware ™ 19:58 Jordach (which is probably quicker) 19:59 Peacock (probably time to drop that slogan :P) 19:59 Krock okay thanks jordach, I'll see what i can so 19:59 Krock *do 19:59 Peacock not sodo, sudo 20:00 Jordach Krock, i think you're using AGP, am i correct 20:00 Peacock they still make AGP cards? 20:00 Jordach Peacock, yes 20:00 Krock I'm using an integrated card 20:00 Jordach my card was manufacted just over two years ago 20:00 Peacock i had an AGP TV-Tuner card in the late 90s 20:00 Jordach Krock, AHA 20:00 Jordach in the bios, you should be able to turn that setting upto 128mb, or at least 256mb 20:01 Peacock well if it's integrated, isn't the memory shared? 20:01 Krock and it illl not burn up or something? 20:01 Peacock only on reentry 20:02 dafull97 Hey guys im back 20:02 Calinou hi 20:02 Jordach wait. 20:02 Jordach i've seen that exact IP before 20:03 * Jordach is getting suspicious 20:04 Peacock good enuff for me 20:04 * Peacock fires fouton torpedos at dafull 20:04 Jordach Peacock, they still make AGP cards, but they're for some reason, more expensive than the PCI-E type 20:04 Peacock well yeah its kinda Mesozoic at this point 20:05 Peacock i haven't seen an AGP port on any of my towers in years 20:05 Jordach heh 20:05 Jordach without my card, i only get 20fps 20:05 Jordach with it, i get 30-50 fps 20:06 Peacock im getting 20 FPS right now but im running tons of other shit too 20:06 * Calinou never tried his IGP... 20:06 Calinou HD 3000 20:07 Calinou not sure if I'd get 120-150 average FPS everything maxed out with it :> 20:08 Jordach Calinou, OpenSpades gets apparently 30fps with full settings 20:08 Jordach Krock, any better 20:08 Krock hmm 20:10 Jordach Krock, running any background apps 20:10 Krock yes! it works much fater now :D thanks 20:10 Krock *faster 20:10 Jordach Krock, fps now 20:10 Calinou looks like I have 60 20:10 Krock 23 20:10 Jordach Krock, that's playable on a IGP 20:10 Jordach i usually got that myself 20:10 Jordach when i used to have a IGP 20:11 Krock yes...our eye just needs something like 18 too see a movement 20:11 Jordach 24fps iirc 20:11 dafull97 Getting Xubuntu =D 20:11 Jordach Krock, i'm assuming you set the IGP memory to 128mb or 256mb 20:12 Jordach (512mb is reccomended) 20:12 Krock yes higher than 256 wasn't possible 20:12 Jordach ah, but that should alleviate your issue 20:12 Jordach minetest just happens to use about 25% of the ram needed to run MC 20:13 Jordach Krock, (which on average is around 250mb) 20:13 Krock oh 20:13 Jordach Minecraft likes to give itself a 1gb, minetest doesnt. 20:13 Krock I never played MC before so I have no idea what the requirements are :3 20:13 Peacock obvs since youre not running all that java bs on the side :p 20:14 Jordach Krock, anyways, enjoy minetest to it's fullest extent 20:14 Krock yes, thank again for helping me 20:14 Peacock wow, wife just had that bug where you dig shit underwater and get water nodes too lol 20:15 PilzAdam Peacock, that minetest version is rater old, isnt it? 20:15 Peacock 0.4.7 20:16 dafull97 PilzAdam, have you ever used Xubuntu? 20:20 PilzAdam Peacock, cant be, its fixed since 0.4.5 20:20 PilzAdam or do you use a different game than minetest_game? 20:20 Peacock i guess not, just checked, wife's 0.4.7, im (server) 0.4.7, she dug bricks underwater and got water nodes 20:20 Peacock what was the fix, lua code or engine? 20:21 PilzAdam there is no way you can get water nodes as drops 20:21 PilzAdam https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commit/0beabfc7555860b0a1868532615f3d52d7ecceb4 20:21 PilzAdam your wife is a cheater :-p 20:21 Peacock naw im just using a custom default 20:21 Peacock so i have to add drops '' to all the water nodes 20:22 PilzAdam and lava and other liquids 20:22 Krock uhm I also was able to "dig" water and got them as drops, but when i rejoined it wasn't posible to do anymore 20:22 Krock thaat was a bit weird but..okay 20:22 Peacock but since when are liquids diggable? seems that's the real bug 20:22 us{0gb How do I flip a texture backwards? I don't see the option in the API, but I've done it before. 20:22 us{0gb In the API documentation, I mean. 20:23 Peacock might be simpler to add a line in register_node (builtin) where it puts the '' drop for every liquid drawtype node 20:24 us{0gb I'm using digable liquids, so it would be nice if that option wasn't removed. 20:24 us{0gb I use buckets as tools that dig liquids. 20:25 Peacock its an option or a bug? 20:25 us{0gb It's an option. 20:25 Peacock it make buckets pretty pointless if you can just dig liquids with any tool 20:25 Jordach diggable liquids would be awesome 20:26 Peacock weird option lol 20:26 Jordach punch lava with fists; magically carry lava with bare hands 20:26 us{0gb The error also happens in some other cases allowing you to dig nodes with the wrong tool. Liquids are not special that way. 20:26 Peacock yeah because griefing isn't easy enough :P 20:26 Peacock wonderful lol 20:27 us{0gb Jordach, you need a bucket for that, but my buckets act like liquid-mining picks. 20:27 us{0gb Sort of like how the axe is a cactus-mining pick. 20:27 Peacock dunno, for me, liquids should be naturally occuring, if people want liquids they should dig canals or use those big wheel thingies to bring it up 20:28 Peacock its pretty funny when you think of the fact that farming is pretty medieval, while anyone can dig a cubic meter of liquids with any tool 20:28 us{0gb And if you want it that way, that's fine. Bu tdon't take away the option to allow other people to do other things by changing the node registration function to react to the drawtype. 20:29 Peacock well its already changed in the default mod, so i'd assume no one else can dig liquids either 20:29 us{0gb Right. So just don't change the registration function for new liquids. 20:30 us{0gb The bug is in the nodes, not the function. 20:30 Peacock dont worry, i gave up a long time ago trying to understand half the changes that are made :P i just override default and builtin and deal with it lol 20:34 anunakki hello 20:53 Dan_D Hi guys 20:55 hoodedice Jordach 20:55 hoodedice http://i.imgur.com/5I5R6dJ.png =P 20:59 Dan_D Does Alabeathira sound like a good name for a castleor city? 21:27 Peacock whats the difference between snow and snowblock? 21:29 kaeza snow is the item, and the thin layer of snow on top of blocks 21:29 kaeza the block is just that: a block made of snow 21:30 kaeza compare to a steel ingot vs a steel block 21:33 PilzAdam Peacock, /giveme default:snow and default:snowblock, place them both, compare 21:33 Peacock thanks, trying to convert paragen to work with lvm, but im missing a few nodes 21:36 FreeFull kaeza: Well, you can't place a layer of steel ingot onto blocks 21:36 Peacock lol 21:36 FreeFull I guess it'd be more like steel plate vs steel block 21:36 Peacock i dont even get what these leveled nodeboxes are supposed to be lol 21:36 kaeza FreeFull, but you can't craft steel blocks from steel plates :P 21:36 Peacock seems overly complicated 21:37 kaeza anyway, what is a steel plate? O_o 21:37 FreeFull A hypothetical item 21:38 ShadowNinja steel quarter-slab. 21:39 PilzAdam Peacock, the API for all the weather / finite-liquid things are fucked up 21:40 Peacock weather/finite liquid/leveled nodeboxes, and we still only got one colour of light and weird shadows :P 21:40 Peacock thats life 21:41 ShadowNinja So when are client-side mods scheduled for? 21:41 Peacock anyways eventually i have to update my default and go over it again, i was just hoping it wouldn't be soon 21:41 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, in the future 21:42 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: Oh, I thought it was scheduled for the past. 21:42 kaeza "the future" == "in the next few trillion years" 21:42 kaeza "if not, remind us again" 21:43 Peacock and 3 DB backends if im not mistaken :P 21:45 PilzAdam I guess dummy cant be counted as real backedn 21:46 Peacock that brings it up to 4 :P 21:46 Peacock (wasnt aware) 21:46 PilzAdam hm? leveldb, sqlite and dummy 21:46 Peacock i heard rumours of sophia too 21:46 PilzAdam thats just sfan5 going crazy 21:47 PilzAdam and AFAIK he waits for libmtmap 21:48 Peacock so many DBs, and one ring to rule them all 21:49 PilzAdam dummy just rules all in terms of speed and code length 21:49 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: No, sophia is far faster than LevelDB. And it shouldn't be hard to add support for it. 21:49 sfan5 PilzAdam: going crazy? hm? 21:49 PilzAdam "moar dbs, moar!!!" :-p 21:49 sfan5 ShadowNinja: I got a (theoretically) working branch with sophia support, but somehow the internal crc's of sophia get corrupted and it fails to load the database 21:50 Peacock i wonder why paramat duplicated nodes like cloud and stone :/ 21:51 Jordach Peacock, so the engine doesnt make caves 21:51 Peacock thats easy, disable caves in map_meta 21:51 Peacock why the cavegen runs anywhere but underground is beyond me lol 21:51 Peacock oh no i started a war :( lol 21:52 * Peacock launches ICBMs at all the DBs 21:53 Peacock well hopefully when 0.5.0 comes around there'll be 1 standard db (the fastest/bestest) 21:57 ShadowNinja sfan5: How is Windows support for Sophia? 21:58 sfan5 ShadowNinja: I don't see why it shouldn't work; I didn't test it however 21:58 ShadowNinja Does anyone else agree with me that Minetest's major-minor-patch version system is more like huge-major-minor? 21:58 sfan5 yes 21:58 kahrl more like 0-major-minor 21:58 Dan_D Hello? 21:59 ShadowNinja ^ I feel like it is goind to take us 10 years to get to 1.0.0. 21:59 ShadowNinja If Minetest is even actively developed in ten years. 22:00 ShadowNinja IMO the next release is worthy of the 0.5.0 mark because of LevelDB, which has been the most wanted feature for years. 22:01 ShadowNinja At least for server owners. 22:03 Peacock i wouldn't call it 0.5.0 without throwing in a few major API things (at least as great as nodeboxes were to pre-nodebox mt) 22:06 kahrl voxelmanip? 22:06 ShadowNinja Peacock: Like node models? The idea is that we shouldn't need a dozen MAJOR features to bump the MINOR version number. 22:06 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, no, we already have some plans for 0.5.0 22:06 ShadowNinja ^That is pretty big, it makes Lua mapgen practical. 22:06 PilzAdam such as BKVL 22:06 kahrl PilzAdam, indeed 22:07 Peacock well voxelmanip has been with us since 0.4.7, so it wouldn't really count for 0.5.0 anymore (if you wanted to do that, shoulda bumped it to 0.5.0 when it came out) 22:07 ShadowNinja Meh, but maybe we should bump the versions a little faster, and we should certainly release faster. 22:07 kahrl perhaps we should start working towards 0.5.0 after releasing 0.4.8 22:08 PilzAdam the second digit basically means incompatibilty 22:08 ShadowNinja Peacock: No, the VM isn't in 0.4.7. 22:08 Peacock it isn't? pretty sure my version says 0.4.7 ( a git) and it is in there 22:08 ShadowNinja 0.4.7-git does have it, but not 0.4.7-stable. 22:09 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: Normally the first digit means that, eg python2->3. 22:09 PilzAdam I know 22:09 kahrl with #936 git versions will no longer show the same version number as stable ones 22:10 Peacock F5 used to show the precise version (git), dunno why that was taken out 22:10 kahrl when was that? 22:10 kahrl I don't remember it 22:10 Peacock back when i ran arch so, about six months ago 22:11 Peacock version string said minetest-git(MDY) 22:11 ShadowNinja kahrl: BTW, a nota about that. I don't think the tag should be shown if you are not on that exact commit. eg no 0.4.7-MSVC-303 22:11 Peacock now it just says 0.4.7 22:11 kahrl PilzAdam: did you install it via arch? 22:11 ShadowNinja note* 22:11 kahrl Peacock: * 22:12 PilzAdam kahrl, no, its rather unusual to install things with arch in Kubuntu ;-) 22:12 kahrl heh 22:12 Peacock what PA said lol 22:13 Peacock now i compile rather than use packer 22:14 kahrl ShadowNinja: I think it should be shown, it makes it possible to see the base stable version without having to look up the commit in git log 22:14 Peacock dunno, for a major version, maybe something like making the mapgen into an object you can define/register more than once, in essence, being able to register realms like the default mapgen, stuff like that 22:16 ShadowNinja MGv7 Lua-definable biomes? 22:17 Peacock lua definable biomes yeah, that would be cool 22:17 Peacock but being able to use the mapgen itself to define realms, that would be cool too 22:18 Peacock (youd need params to define the ystart and yend tho 22:18 * Jordach slowly feels worse 22:18 kahrl oh by the way the arch daily on http://minetest.net/download is broken 22:18 kahrl the link, I mean 22:18 Peacock the ability to configure different skies for different realms, would add more to otherworldly realms 22:19 * Jordach pokes VanessaE 22:19 * Peacock doesnt use arch anymore (not my problem lol) 22:20 Peacock heck, even being able to have multiple stars/moons or none at all would help differentiate servers 22:22 * Peacock is testing lvm-paragen 22:47 Peacock well, lvm paragen works, but i shouldn;t have used the latest version of paragen lol 22:48 Peacock http://s23.postimg.org/nhpl78ni3/screenshot_1637564865.png 22:49 Jordach sfan5's and nore's mapgen doesnt glitch out 22:49 Peacock theyre using 0.1 paragen i take it? 23:07 Jordach they built they're own 23:08 Peacock that wasnt what nore said 23:08 Jordach hmm 23:09 Dark_Soul VanessaE are you there? 23:10 Peacock damnit, wheres the thread with that mapgen and town that sfan and others built? 23:11 Peacock found it 23:11 Peacock ok so i dont think its exactly the same code according to this: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=111431#p111431 23:12 Peacock though paramats' paragen 0.2.0 has a shitton more biomes than the default mapgen, so i lvm'ed that 23:12 Peacock i just hope he can fix the horizontal splits, since i dont have a clue lol 23:16 Jordach Dark_Soul, i might be of assistance 23:16 Jordach what's the problem 23:20 * Jordach may hav IBS 23:20 Jordach have* 23:20 paramat Peacock, i don't get horizontal splits in non-lvm paragen 0.2.0, are they every chunk? (80 nodes) 23:20 Peacock i moved a wide distance horizontally, and it seems to be there everywhere :/ 23:21 Peacock i may have fucked up somewhere 23:21 Jordach paramat, Peacock needs a LVM version 23:21 Jordach hey paramat 23:21 Peacock (i updated the pastebin, i had the wrong heights set- for my own map) 23:22 paramat yeah i'll write the lvm version soon, hi J 23:23 Peacock allright, fixed all my heights, trying again 23:23 Jordach hmm, i've been so pressurized by college that i've gotten irritable bowels; great way for a weekend to go 23:23 * Jordach still feels like shit 23:24 Peacock not necessary to share with everyone :P you wouldn't want to know what happens after i eat thai food :P 23:24 Peacock suffice it to say, the battle of Klach D'Kel Brakt pales in comparison 23:24 paramat ah just found your pastebin of paragen lvm :) 23:24 Peacock the updated one? 23:25 Jordach Peacock, i can usually hold my weight on a lethal curry 23:25 Peacock http://pastebin.com/WY6j60Fs 23:25 Jordach the only thing that burns is my mouth 23:25 Peacock though asian food is no good if it doesnt burn both ways 23:25 * Jordach is considering testing Neuromancer's Immersion 23:25 Jordach let's see how this P4 handles 23:27 Jordach \o/ it loads 23:27 paramat yeah the updated one i think, i'll reload it 23:27 Exio4 hi paramat 23:28 Peacock hm, i think i fixed the horizontal splits 23:28 Exio4 how is the mapgen going! 23:28 paramat hi Exio4 ... it's epic 23:28 Peacock i had changed ymin and ymax without adjusting the other height levels (like waty and sandy) 23:29 Peacock so the pastebin i sent you should actually work fine :P 23:30 paramat ah excellent 23:31 paramat hm i could make the parameters all relative to ymin to avoid that mistake 23:31 Peacock well at least it was my mistake :P i changed the height in case i wanted to add more realms in the future, and set it to 25-27K 23:32 paramat generation time per chunk? 23:32 Peacock faster than the mainstream 0.2.0, but still a bit slow 23:33 Peacock i just watch the terminal output and notice it print paragen 1..2...3 much faster 23:35 Exio4 you should use the fast-mass perlin noise functions 23:35 Exio4 and cache the node ids outside the on_mapgen 23:35 Peacock one thing i noticed in moonrealm lvm, you get the content id's within ongen, which means theyre called everytime ongen is called right? what if it were defined outside ongen, then it would be only once? 23:36 Peacock there, exio just said it lol coulda saved me the trouble :P 23:36 Exio4 yes, it would work, and would be pretty nice to do it, and if you use luajit it would be amazingly fast 23:37 Exio4 using number indexs could make it be pretty fast too 23:37 Peacock i do use luajit, so some timesaving would still be good 23:38 Exio4 local env = minetest.env 23:38 Exio4 local perlin3 = env:get_perlin(perl3.SEED3, perl3.OCTA3, perl3.PERS3, perl3.SCAL3) 23:38 Exio4 wut 23:38 Exio4 minetest.env? nah 23:38 paramat Peacock, insert 'local vi = a:index(x, y, z)' at line 492, otherwise no clouds 23:38 Peacock good timing, i just got a segfault for clouds lol 23:39 paramat lol 23:39 Peacock right under: if y0 == cloudyq then -- CLouds ? 23:39 paramat yeah i will need to learn to use the new perlin stuff 23:40 paramat oh um line 492 in the pastebin 23:40 Peacock ideally maybe just have a single YLEVEL variable, and derive ymin,ymax,waty, sandy from that 23:41 Peacock under: if env:get_node({x=x,y=CLOUDY,z=z}).name == "air" then ? 23:41 paramat yes, everything relative to the average surface level, good idea 23:42 paramat above that 23:42 paramat under 'local z = z0 + k + b' 23:43 Peacock perfect thanks 23:44 Peacock my line numbers dont add up since i have to define a few extra nodes my custom default doesn't have 23:44 paramat Exio4, thanks good advice. 23:44 Exio4 Peacock: you should use voxelmanip for reading nodes 'names' too 23:44 Exio4 paramat: what advice? :P 23:45 Peacock *add up = line up 23:45 Peacock exio4 im just splicing the same method used for moonrealm-lvm :P paramat knows more what im doing than i know what im doing lol 23:45 Exio4 k 23:45 Exio4 thought you coded that part 23:46 Peacock naw i stared at moonrealm and paragen for an hour and just spliced things together 23:46 Peacock thank god for 24" screens 23:46 * Exio4 only has a 21.5" screen 23:47 PilzAdam 23 here 23:47 Peacock still wide enough to compare two files side-by-side 23:47 paramat Exio4, your advice at 00:35 :) 23:48 Peacock past midnight in the UK? still 19h here lol 23:48 Peacock therefore, happy-hour is ongoing lol 23:48 Exio4 [20:35:08] you should use the fast-mass perlin noise functions 23:48 Exio4 i see 23:48 paramat I heard that new perlin function seed is absolute not seeddiff, how would i make the seed world dependant? 23:49 PilzAdam paramat, I havent heard about that 23:49 paramat lol my mistake 23:50 Peacock well if my lvm-convert works, than a few tweaks for speed is all that's missing 23:50 paramat (^ plol) 23:50 Peacock *then 23:51 Mossmanikin Hi folks 23:51 paramat how about lvm trees? 23:52 PilzAdam use schematics for trees 23:52 Peacock youd need to schematizes them 23:52 paramat okay 23:52 Peacock (i know the spellings wrong lol) 23:53 paramat your word's more funky 23:53 Peacock hm another segfault with the thing you told me to add 23:53 Peacock paragen/init.lua:527: attempt to index local 'a' (a number value) 23:53 Peacock for you line 492 23:54 Peacock i guess i have to reinit a 23:54 paramat oh there's another 'a' variable! 23:55 Peacock so what should i do? 23:55 Peacock ah shit youre right 23:55 Peacock for a, for b 23:56 paramat best to use 'local vi = area:index(x, y, z)' 23:56 Peacock and change all the a's to area i guess 23:57 paramat yes but only in the lvm stuff 23:59 Peacock builtin/voxelarea.lua:35: attempt to perform arithmetic on local 'y' (a nil value) 23:59 paramat oh yes that bug