| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:02 |
OldCoder |
NEWS: 1. My MT worlds will I hope return tonight or tomorrow. 2. I will update only if there is LevelDB. 3. Somebody tell MarkV that he can have the changes he wishes. 4. I will prepare docs for LM too as he wishes. 5. I will host other projects too if they are positive. |
| 00:02 |
OldCoder |
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| 00:02 |
OldCoder |
My server host has returned from Europe and the upstream ISP is changing now. To achieve a much better uptime. |
| 00:02 |
OldCoder |
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| 00:03 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, Jordach, mrtux, Naked, NekoGloop, PilzAdam, ruskie, sokomine, and Lions and Tigers oh my ^ |
| 00:03 |
OldCoder |
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| 00:03 |
mrtux |
wat |
| 00:04 |
OldCoder |
Details are above |
| 00:04 |
PilzAdam |
OldCoder, you know that ShadowBot kicks for multihighlights? |
| 00:04 |
NekoGloop |
wassup |
| 00:04 |
OldCoder |
PilzAdam, I do but this was a limited and useful announcement |
| 00:04 |
Naked |
great news Oldcoder |
| 00:04 |
OldCoder |
NekoGloop, an octocore is up! |
| 00:04 |
Jordach |
!op OldCoder |
| 00:04 |
PilzAdam |
OldCoder, please dont highlight me again in a mass-highlight |
| 00:04 |
mrtux |
i havent played minetest for how long now... |
| 00:04 |
OldCoder |
PilzAdam, Hmm? O.K. Explain in PM pls as I am confused |
| 00:04 |
Jordach |
OldCoder, you cant be kicked for mass hl now |
| 00:04 |
OldCoder |
Jordach, thank you for information |
| 00:04 |
Jordach |
provided you are OP |
| 00:04 |
OldCoder |
mrtux, you seem to be here regardless |
| 00:05 |
* OldCoder |
is busy switching DNS from the bad ISP to the good one |
| 00:05 |
Jordach |
OldCoder, the return to normality |
| 00:05 |
OldCoder |
Jordach, heh. Not likely. Are many of us normal? |
| 00:05 |
OldCoder |
But we do what we can. |
| 00:05 |
Jordach |
thats on your definition |
| 00:05 |
OldCoder |
Which I decline to think about for now |
| 00:06 |
OldCoder |
*edit DNS* <- sound effect |
| 00:06 |
Peacock |
you would never kick oldcoder anyhow :p |
| 00:06 |
OldCoder |
Peacock, bot has :-) It is fine. Some degree of order is good. |
| 00:06 |
Jordach |
Order and Chaos |
| 00:06 |
OldCoder |
Heh |
| 00:06 |
OldCoder |
And friends |
| 00:07 |
Jordach |
two things that create balance |
| 00:07 |
OldCoder |
Which transcends labels of the type |
| 00:07 |
OldCoder |
Indeed |
| 00:07 |
Jordach |
i am calm and quiet |
| 00:07 |
Exio4 |
!op Exio4 |
| 00:07 |
Exio4 |
:> |
| 00:07 |
Jordach |
my girlfriend is the said polar inverse |
| 00:07 |
OldCoder |
This is healthy but sometimes one must kick up one's heels |
| 00:07 |
PilzAdam |
Exio4, you are doing it wrong |
| 00:07 |
PilzAdam |
!op Exio4 |
| 00:07 |
PilzAdam |
here you go |
| 00:07 |
Exio4 |
lol |
| 00:07 |
Jordach |
!deop Exio4 |
| 00:07 |
Peacock |
imanigary (or paid) women don't count :p |
| 00:07 |
Jordach |
nope.avi |
| 00:07 |
Peacock |
j/k |
| 00:08 |
Jordach |
Peacock, oldcoder has seen mine |
| 00:08 |
Exio4 |
Jordach: why not :> |
| 00:08 |
* Jordach |
doesnt trust a troll |
| 00:08 |
Peacock |
in pics or person? |
| 00:08 |
Jordach |
pictures |
| 00:08 |
* Exio4 |
is sad |
| 00:08 |
OldCoder |
Be friendly |
| 00:08 |
OldCoder |
Do not be sad |
| 00:08 |
OldCoder |
You are among friends if you wish them |
| 00:08 |
Jordach |
!voice Exio4 |
| 00:08 |
Exio4 |
awww |
| 00:08 |
Jordach |
better? |
| 00:08 |
Peacock |
dunno, anyone who has woman wouldn't be here, they'd be getting it (if you know what i mean :P) |
| 00:09 |
Peacock |
i mostly kidding though :p |
| 00:09 |
Exio4 |
Jordach: i'm sad cuz other things ;P |
| 00:09 |
Jordach |
heh |
| 00:09 |
Peacock |
im not sad, im Black Jesus |
| 00:09 |
Jordach |
"BLACK JESUS!" |
| 00:09 |
Exio4 |
i can't get a driving licence, but i can vote for the elections |
| 00:09 |
Jordach |
FG reference |
| 00:10 |
Jordach |
OldCoder, want to say hello to Sam II? http://i.imgur.com/CxKA3ps.png |
| 00:10 |
* OldCoder |
wonders what in the world possessed him to buy dangercoder.com |
| 00:10 |
OldCoder |
Hm? Reviewing |
| 00:10 |
Peacock |
dont feel bad exio, americans' can die in wars before theyre allowed to drink :p |
| 00:10 |
Peacock |
doesnt that suck |
| 00:10 |
* OldCoder |
has been puzzled by that |
| 00:10 |
Jordach |
then they can drink after service |
| 00:10 |
Jordach |
even OldCoder is more third person than me :P |
| 00:10 |
Exio4 |
Peacock: your use of "american" sucks too |
| 00:10 |
Peacock |
you couldn't convince me to fight any modern war without being drunk off my ass |
| 00:10 |
OldCoder |
Sam II seems like a fine lad |
| 00:11 |
OldCoder |
Tell me of him and he shall be blogged |
| 00:11 |
Jordach |
OldCoder, Sam I http://i.imgur.com/SfblUEx.png |
| 00:11 |
Jordach |
doesnt he look familiar> |
| 00:11 |
Peacock |
exio in what sense? |
| 00:11 |
OldCoder |
Too young to drink but old enough to fight |
| 00:11 |
OldCoder |
Reviewing the other image |
| 00:11 |
OldCoder |
I see... Mark II is more polished |
| 00:12 |
Jordach |
Sam* |
| 00:12 |
PilzAdam |
*Fiola |
| 00:12 |
Jordach |
Sam means, Sam ain't Minecraft |
| 00:13 |
OldCoder |
Ah |
| 00:13 |
Jordach |
Sams is plural, which can mean, Sam ain't Minecraft Steve |
| 00:13 |
OldCoder |
Or recursive |
| 00:13 |
OldCoder |
Sam Ain't Minecraft Sam |
| 00:13 |
Peacock |
recursive acronym lol |
| 00:13 |
Peacock |
another one i heard is GNU's Not Useful lol |
| 00:14 |
Jordach |
acronym, thats the word i was looking for |
| 00:14 |
Peacock |
on ED i think |
| 00:14 |
OldCoder |
Heh |
| 00:14 |
Jordach |
OldCoder, NekoGloop is back |
| 00:14 |
Jordach |
prepare for kittens! :3 |
| 00:14 |
NekoGloop |
in case you hadn't noticed |
| 00:14 |
OldCoder |
Oh boy |
| 00:14 |
OldCoder |
Meow |
| 00:14 |
* Jordach |
feels 0.4.3 deja vu |
| 00:15 |
Peacock |
now this is weird, i had two players build stuff all afternoon, the minute I built something, they griefed it lol |
| 00:15 |
Peacock |
and took off |
| 00:15 |
Naked |
use WE and move their creations |
| 00:15 |
Jordach |
Peacock, say I am admin |
| 00:16 |
Jordach |
they'll learn |
| 00:16 |
Peacock |
meh, it's a test server, i expected as much :p |
| 00:16 |
Peacock |
the terminal output is infiintely more useful to me |
| 00:16 |
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| 00:17 |
Peacock |
but not the debug log, thats more heavy than oprah winfrey |
| 00:17 |
Jordach |
\o/ |
| 00:18 |
Mallot1 |
hi |
| 00:18 |
Peacock |
/\o/\ |
| 00:18 |
Peacock |
anyone can do the C and the A? |
| 00:18 |
NekoGloop |
o< |
| 00:18 |
NekoGloop |
/o\ |
| 00:18 |
NekoGloop |
close enough |
| 00:18 |
Peacock |
lol |
| 00:19 |
Peacock |
A yeah, not the C :P |
| 00:19 |
Jordach |
/o< |
| 00:19 |
Jordach |
better? |
| 00:20 |
PilzAdam |
no |
| 00:20 |
Peacock |
now it just looks crippled |
| 00:20 |
Mallot1 |
if minetest programmed in strictly Irrlicht and C++? (the core part of minetest not the lua modding) |
| 00:20 |
Peacock |
if implies a question |
| 00:20 |
Mallot1 |
what? |
| 00:20 |
Mallot1 |
oh |
| 00:20 |
Mallot1 |
sorry |
| 00:20 |
Peacock |
i dont understand the Q |
| 00:21 |
Peacock |
now i get it, i think so yes |
| 00:21 |
Jordach |
/o_ |
| 00:21 |
Jordach |
there |
| 00:21 |
Mallot1 |
i meant is minetest programmed in strictly Irrlicht and C++? (the core part of minetest not the lua modding) |
| 00:21 |
Mallot1 |
oh ok thanks B) |
| 00:21 |
Peacock |
though you might ask -dev for a detailed answer |
| 00:22 |
PilzAdam |
what do you mean by "strictly"? |
| 00:23 |
Peacock |
aaaaaaaaaand he's gone |
| 00:23 |
Mallot1 |
im still here |
| 00:23 |
Mallot1 |
im in difernt rooms |
| 00:24 |
Peacock |
im occupying 5 dimensions at once |
| 00:24 |
Peacock |
i feel like a god |
| 00:24 |
Mallot1 |
PilzAdam: i mean everything else besides the modding part of minetest. |
| 00:24 |
Mallot1 |
Peacock: lol |
| 00:25 |
Peacock |
now, bow before me or suffer everlasting shame and dishonor |
| 00:25 |
PilzAdam |
it doesnt make sense to me that you list a libary and a programming language |
| 00:25 |
Peacock |
:P |
| 00:25 |
Peacock |
he's asking a generalized question :p |
| 00:27 |
Mallot1 |
yea |
| 00:27 |
Peacock |
yea to the bowing before me bit, or to the generalized question? :p |
| 00:28 |
Mallot1 |
the question X3 |
| 00:29 |
Mallot1 |
im asking if the core of minetest is made only with Irrlicht library and the C++ programming language. |
| 00:29 |
PilzAdam |
no |
| 00:29 |
Mallot1 |
what else? |
| 00:30 |
PilzAdam |
it uses other libaries like jthread |
| 00:30 |
Exio4 |
i wonder how would you include "lua modding" without using lua btw |
| 00:30 |
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| 00:30 |
Peacock |
and j-dawg :P |
| 00:30 |
PilzAdam |
and there are essential Lua scripts that are relevant for the core |
| 00:31 |
Peacock |
the stuff in /builtin? |
| 00:31 |
PilzAdam |
yep |
| 00:31 |
Peacock |
lots of fun tweaking with that stuff :-) |
| 00:31 |
Mallot1 |
oh ok :) thanks B) |
| 00:32 |
Mallot1 |
i want to start wth 3d graphics and cant find anything for Opengl |
| 00:32 |
Peacock |
start with tutorials first |
| 00:32 |
Peacock |
minetest has a lot of source files |
| 00:33 |
Peacock |
im guessing most of it isn't necessarily about the graphics bit |
| 00:34 |
Mallot1 |
ok |
| 00:34 |
Mallot1 |
do you know of any irrlicht tutorials? |
| 00:34 |
PilzAdam |
ehm |
| 00:34 |
PilzAdam |
do you know of any internet search engine? |
| 00:35 |
Exio4 |
Mallot1: you are doing it completely wrong |
| 00:35 |
Mallot1 |
yea let me help |
| 00:36 |
Mallot1 |
PilzAdam: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=google.com |
| 00:36 |
PilzAdam |
google is evil |
| 00:36 |
Peacock |
why would you google google? |
| 00:36 |
PilzAdam |
just dont google products |
| 00:37 |
Mallot1 |
Exio4: what should i do? |
| 00:37 |
PilzAdam |
+use |
| 00:37 |
Peacock |
google's fine |
| 00:37 |
PilzAdam |
no! |
| 00:37 |
Peacock |
yes |
| 00:37 |
Mallot1 |
PilzAdam: LOL |
| 00:37 |
Mallot1 |
u guys r fighting bout google |
| 00:37 |
Peacock |
dont make me drag you off to the umschlagplatz :p |
| 00:37 |
Mallot1 |
B) |
| 00:38 |
Peacock |
theres duckduckgo but it duckducksucks |
| 00:38 |
PilzAdam |
use ixquick.com |
| 00:38 |
Peacock |
i dont even know of that one lol |
| 00:38 |
PilzAdam |
duckduckgo fails because it tries to be like google |
| 00:38 |
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| 00:38 |
Peacock |
they all try to be like google :P |
| 00:38 |
Peacock |
and if they had google's user base, it wouldn't be any different :p |
| 00:39 |
PilzAdam |
ixquick.com doesnt |
| 00:39 |
PilzAdam |
go to the website, read the docs |
| 00:39 |
Peacock |
what does google does that so evil? |
| 00:40 |
PilzAdam |
it makes money from my private data |
| 00:40 |
PilzAdam |
and of course I dont get the money |
| 00:40 |
Peacock |
and you wouldn't if you could? |
| 00:42 |
Peacock |
facebook and google might be evil, but if anyone had the chance to invent them first, i doubt anyone would refuse |
| 00:42 |
PilzAdam |
of course they are succesful companies |
| 00:43 |
Peacock |
exactly, its easy to complain about evil unless you have the chance to do it yourseld |
| 00:43 |
Peacock |
*yourself |
| 00:44 |
Peacock |
i dont think my life is interesting enough to give a fark what google does with my searches lol |
| 01:08 |
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| 01:20 |
hmmmm |
http://ubuntuforums.org/announce.html |
| 01:20 |
hmmmm |
bamm |
| 01:21 |
Exio4 |
lol |
| 01:21 |
PilzAdam |
heh |
| 01:21 |
PilzAdam |
read it as "Canonical has sold all your data and crashed its own servers, Sowwwy!!!!" |
| 01:23 |
Menche |
the most useful bug report award doesn't go to:https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=101168 |
| 01:23 |
PilzAdam |
oh yea, thats the well known "ADAM PILZ" error |
| 01:24 |
Exio4 |
wtf |
| 01:24 |
* Menche |
thinks about telling him that minetest doesn't load mods when caps lock is on |
| 01:24 |
Exio4 |
haha |
| 01:24 |
Exio4 |
nice one |
| 01:26 |
Menche |
lets see... carts uses github... i predict that he still has the folder named "carts-master" or whatever github names it |
| 01:26 |
Exio4 |
may i tell him to stop using caps & other stuff, and asking me in spanish? |
| 01:26 |
* Exio4 |
is argentinian |
| 01:28 |
PilzAdam |
bye |
| 01:30 |
Exio4 |
any moderator/admin of the forum? |
| 01:45 |
* Menche |
got a PM that reads, "how on earth is the settings on remobo" |
| 01:45 |
Menche |
how on earth is your grammar |
| 01:45 |
* Menche |
isn't sure what he is asking |
| 01:47 |
Exio4 |
https://xkcd.com/676/ |
| 02:01 |
pehjota |
Peacock: The existence of similar but non-evil successful companies (like Ixquick, which has been around since 1998 and now has a second search engine, Startpage) invalidates that argument. It's easy to complain about evil unless you have the chance to do it yourself *or someone else already has done it*. |
| 02:01 |
pehjota |
Also, re: USA's NSA PRISM program: <https://ixquick.com/eng/prism-program-revealed.html>. |
| 02:02 |
Peacock |
do you seriously think other countries dont do the same, or that this is new? |
| 02:02 |
Naked |
arguing or protesting wont stop this. |
| 02:02 |
Jordach |
hey VanessaE |
| 02:02 |
VanessaE |
hi |
| 02:03 |
Peacock |
it was a given for me that this was going on during the cold war too :p |
| 02:03 |
Naked |
and like peacock said, my life is interesting enough... |
| 02:03 |
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| 02:04 |
kahrl |
Peacock: just because it's been going on for decades it's not evil? |
| 02:04 |
pehjota |
Peacock: No, I've always known that the USA and other countries have been doing this for decades. The page to which I linked just describes how Ixquick doesn't (and can't) provide such data to governments. |
| 02:04 |
Peacock |
no, but it makes people ignorant to think this is new |
| 02:05 |
pehjota |
Peacock: I definitely don't think PRISM is anything new. I just think it's a good publicized opportunity to show what's been going on for so long. |
| 02:05 |
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| 02:05 |
Peacock |
fact is, governments granted themselves extraordinary powers in the two world wars that they haven't let go since |
| 02:06 |
Peacock |
and with so many nutjobs in the world on the left and right, its not entirely a bad idea either |
| 02:06 |
Exio4 |
the people is dumb enough for giving their data for free |
| 02:06 |
Exio4 |
and letting their childs give it for free |
| 02:06 |
pehjota |
(PRISM and the other leaked programs like the recent Verizon deal and the AT&T deal from 2001 just prove what we've known all along.) |
| 02:06 |
Peacock |
if you dont know what world your bringing your child into, its your own damn fault, i wouldn't have kids |
| 02:07 |
pehjota |
Exio4: Yeah. |
| 02:07 |
Peacock |
nor would i fill their heads with all sorts of idealisms |
| 02:07 |
Peacock |
so they can be let down |
| 02:07 |
Exio4 |
it is the main problem, the idea is screaming at their face until they react and see what they are doing |
| 02:07 |
Peacock |
theyll keep doing it |
| 02:08 |
Peacock |
what can you do? |
| 02:08 |
Peacock |
voting gives you more of the same, revolution gives you worse |
| 02:08 |
Exio4 |
"we are already fucked up, i don't mind putting more stuff inside my ass" |
| 02:08 |
Exio4 |
- Peacock 2013 |
| 02:09 |
Peacock |
what i do is simple, i fill all my online shit with as much bullshit as possible |
| 02:09 |
Peacock |
my facebook location? a city that was torn down 30 years ago |
| 02:09 |
Exio4 |
do you think your cousins aren't uploading your photos about you? |
| 02:09 |
Peacock |
they dont have photos of me, and if they did, id untag myself, thats all |
| 02:10 |
Exio4 |
how funny is that |
| 02:10 |
Exio4 |
people already saw that, iirc they have logs after that, plus the "funny thing" of they can still say your name in the photo |
| 02:10 |
Exio4 |
and say your REAL location |
| 02:10 |
Exio4 |
and say your REAL name, and that bullshit you used to fill up your profile, is all now redirected to real info |
| 02:11 |
Exio4 |
err |
| 02:11 |
Peacock |
ok, so wtf do you get up thats so important the gov't can't know? |
| 02:11 |
Peacock |
and what makes you think it was any different for your parents or grandparents? |
| 02:12 |
Exio4 |
facebook is a private company |
| 02:12 |
Peacock |
doesn't answer my question though |
| 02:12 |
Peacock |
what do you do that would make you a target for your gov't? |
| 02:13 |
Exio4 |
you're giving your data for free to a big company that makes money from your data, data that you give to them for free, and you don't even know, because people is supa-l33t that if they see a popup saying "clop here" they will click it because why not. |
| 02:13 |
* pehjota |
just followed up on a discussion between PilzAdam and Peacock about search engines and didn't mean to start a discussion about privacy on social networks. :) |
| 02:13 |
Peacock |
dumb people who click on anything deserve what they get |
| 02:13 |
Exio4 |
that dumb people is the 95% of the userland when talking about computers |
| 02:13 |
kahrl |
you want to give your government incriminating data that lets them use it against you in case they stop liking you? |
| 02:14 |
Exio4 |
kahrl: that too, they can use all what you upload in any way |
| 02:14 |
kahrl |
say if you get some info about corruption and make it public |
| 02:14 |
Peacock |
dude, i grew weed for nearly 3 years and i was pretty sure my phones were tapped but i never got caught |
| 02:14 |
Peacock |
(this was over a decade ago) |
| 02:14 |
Jordach |
my dad had been doing it for 10 |
| 02:14 |
Exio4 |
isn't growing weed for "personal use" legal though? |
| 02:15 |
Peacock |
not where im from |
| 02:15 |
Exio4 |
iirc it is in argentina |
| 02:15 |
Peacock |
and it was for personal use either lol |
| 02:15 |
Peacock |
*wasnt |
| 02:15 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: the government's filtering and surveillance systems tag people for review based on keywords and associations - if we were to start seriously talking about, say, how to build a bomb (something every high-schooler probably knew at one time anyway, by way of mandatory chemistry or science classes), those algorithms would flag this venue as something to review. |
| 02:15 |
Peacock |
200 plants would have landed me in jail for at least 5 years back then |
| 02:15 |
pehjota |
Peacock: The "I don't have anything to hide" argument is false. Throughout history, people who simply disagreed with their government and voiced opinions had something to hide from those governments (including the USA at times in its own democratic history!). |
| 02:15 |
VanessaE |
whether they can tie a given user id back to a real person is immaterial - the fact that it's a computer program doing it without human intervention is the issue |
| 02:15 |
Exio4 |
pehjota: did you mean the whole world |
| 02:16 |
Naked |
stop agrandizing your self importance. no government is interested in you unless you turn into a psycho terrorist or super mega genius |
| 02:16 |
Exio4 |
latin america, europe, usa, canada, check the history of everywhere |
| 02:16 |
kahrl |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Litvinenko |
| 02:17 |
kahrl |
if he had given the government incriminating info he'd just be considered a criminal, not a murder victim |
| 02:17 |
VanessaE |
Naked: or if you talk about just the right sort of things, without ever having any intent on doing anything. even empty threats you would never actually carry out will land you in hot water now. |
| 02:17 |
pehjota |
Exio4: Yes, that's what I mean. I just used the USA as an example. |
| 02:17 |
Exio4 |
hehe |
| 02:17 |
Peacock |
Alexander Litvinenko was wacked by the FSB for sharing secrets with the brits |
| 02:17 |
Peacock |
its called dont fuck with the russians |
| 02:17 |
Peacock |
especially if you are one |
| 02:18 |
Peacock |
though i dont see anyone here who has an interesting enough life to be a target for surveillance |
| 02:18 |
kahrl |
I'm not saying what he did was right or a good idea or the other way round, I'm just giving an example |
| 02:18 |
Naked |
yeah |
| 02:19 |
Exio4 |
i don't get any real point for giving info and making your privacy nearly null |
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| 02:19 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: if you saw some of the things my husband and I have posted in other venues, you'd probably change your mind. |
| 02:19 |
Peacock |
if your gov't was interested in you, they wouldn't need facebook or google to find out about you |
| 02:19 |
Naked |
^ |
| 02:19 |
VanessaE |
true |
| 02:19 |
VanessaE |
those just make it easier for them |
| 02:19 |
Peacock |
you still have to use phones, pay bills, drive a car |
| 02:19 |
Naked |
stop using internet at all and live in a shack in the middle of nowhere |
| 02:19 |
pehjota |
Peacock: Right, but Facebook and Google make it so much easier. |
| 02:19 |
Naked |
now you have privacy |
| 02:19 |
kahrl |
Gustl Mollath didn't think he'd be an interesting target until he found out about corruption at his wife's job |
| 02:20 |
Exio4 |
pehjota: they don't understand our paranoia :P |
| 02:20 |
Peacock |
well either you become a complete hermit, garanteeing your privacy, or you deal with it |
| 02:20 |
Peacock |
i chose to deal with it |
| 02:20 |
Exio4 |
the idea is not giving ALL THE INFO because why not |
| 02:20 |
Peacock |
if the governments' wasting money spying on me, i need to stop paying taxes cuz theyre obviously being wasted |
| 02:20 |
Exio4 |
if facebook usage was controlated and wasn't a huge invasion to the privacy, like it is right now, it wouldn't be a problem probably |
| 02:20 |
Peacock |
but i doubt they care about me |
| 02:21 |
kahrl |
well, better stop paying taxes now |
| 02:21 |
pehjota |
If people don't volunteer all of their personal information to their governments (as they do with Facebook, etc.), then governments have to go back to the time-consuming and expensive processes of actually trying to collect that information themselves. Back to more privacy. |
| 02:21 |
Peacock |
terrorism is a fact of life, and we've been pretty sheltered in the west so far, and we've been dumb as doorknobs with our immigration policies, anyone could have seen this coming |
| 02:22 |
Exio4 |
pehjota: that is what i want, not "super-paranoic-privacy where nobody knows anything about me", but having some privacy about what i'm actually doing |
| 02:22 |
Peacock |
9/11 aint a first, there was Oklahoma before that, and Waco, etc. |
| 02:22 |
Exio4 |
if someone, probably, opens the facebook of a small guy right now, you will be able to understand his life more than what he can do |
| 02:23 |
Exio4 |
('small' guy = 13~14) |
| 02:23 |
Peacock |
the biggest problem is people VOLUNTEERING info |
| 02:23 |
Peacock |
ie, your own fault |
| 02:23 |
Exio4 |
it is the problem, and as they upload photos about their asses they upload photos about you, and people that isn't them |
| 02:24 |
kahrl |
war on terrorism is stupid given that more people die from infants mishandling guns than from terrorism |
| 02:24 |
Peacock |
the war on drugs is dumb too, but its been going on for 30 years and the US has one of the highest incarceration rates of the industrialized world |
| 02:24 |
Peacock |
if not the highest |
| 02:25 |
Exio4 |
you normally don't upload to 'facebook' photos about you alone, but with people |
| 02:25 |
Peacock |
its all about money |
| 02:25 |
Exio4 |
the problem is when that people doesn't want to see their face in that photo, they will upload it anyway |
| 02:25 |
Peacock |
private prisons, contractors, the military, these are all local industries |
| 02:25 |
Peacock |
cheap plastic crap? china, otherwise we'd pay a lot more for that |
| 02:25 |
Exio4 |
"studying english with <yourname>!!!!1!!" *album with 40000 photos |
| 02:26 |
Exio4 |
"going to the university/school with <someone>!" in twitter |
| 02:26 |
Exio4 |
i don't mind giving my name/surname now, but i don't like the idea of *OTHER* people giving data about other people |
| 02:27 |
Peacock |
if im going to be involved in politics, id rather talk about real wages and the cost of life |
| 02:27 |
Exio4 |
if you want to fuck your privacy, don't fuck other's |
| 02:27 |
Peacock |
theyre not protesting in brazil because of privacy, its because of the quality of life |
| 02:28 |
Exio4 |
it is because the over-cost of the mundial stuff and the high taxes |
| 02:28 |
Peacock |
same problem everywhere, paying more for less |
| 02:28 |
Exio4 |
not the quality itself but more "if we pay a lot, where is it?" |
| 02:28 |
Exio4 |
Peacock: like so |
| 02:28 |
pehjota |
Peacock: Agreed on the war on drugs. And on Brazil, that's true; but to organize protests against governments, people usually need privacy from governments. |
| 02:29 |
Exio4 |
how is that related though |
| 02:29 |
Exio4 |
pehjota: he can't understand that, for him it is a binary "thing" |
| 02:29 |
Peacock |
heres a simple trick: dont assume that phone and mail and email are safe, they havent been for a very long time |
| 02:29 |
Exio4 |
or you are a paranoic with 100% privacy, or you are a supa-facebook(er) |
| 02:29 |
Peacock |
havent you seen any gangster movies? lol |
| 02:30 |
Exio4 |
Peacock: in a movie i saw a guy jumping 50m and he didn't break any of his legs |
| 02:30 |
Peacock |
they wouldn't talk on the phones back in the 50s and 60s, why would it be different now? |
| 02:30 |
Exio4 |
i guess i can do that too |
| 02:30 |
kahrl |
of course you should encrypt your email and stuff, but how do you get everyone you're involved with in doing that too? |
| 02:30 |
kahrl |
to do* |
| 02:30 |
Peacock |
if you seriously want to organize against your gov't, you have to be smarter then they are, otherwise, give up before you lose everything, because you will |
| 02:30 |
pehjota |
Peacock: Right. And Facebook and Twitter are even less safe. |
| 02:30 |
Exio4 |
that is the main problem |
| 02:31 |
Exio4 |
if the stuff is already pretty unsafe |
| 02:31 |
Exio4 |
WHY does it need to be EVEN MORE? |
| 02:31 |
Peacock |
personally i haven't seen a revolution in modern times that made things better for it's people |
| 02:31 |
Exio4 |
Peacock: Richard Stallman would you kill you ;) |
| 02:31 |
Peacock |
they almost always become paranoid about securing their power |
| 02:31 |
Peacock |
RMS can kiss my ass lol |
| 02:32 |
Exio4 |
linus would do that :> |
| 02:32 |
kahrl |
dance dance revolution? |
| 02:32 |
Peacock |
have you seen some of the youtube videos with him in it? he's nuts |
| 02:32 |
Exio4 |
rick astley revolution! |
| 02:32 |
Peacock |
i saw him throw a hissy fit in south america over english/spanish |
| 02:32 |
Exio4 |
hissy fit? |
| 02:32 |
Exio4 |
ahm |
| 02:32 |
Exio4 |
translated |
| 02:32 |
Peacock |
gimme a sec |
| 02:33 |
Exio4 |
already translated, i got what you meant |
| 02:33 |
Exio4 |
the bot wasn't responding |
| 02:33 |
Peacock |
here's your hero: http://youtu.be/WM8mKMtEg7M |
| 02:33 |
Exio4 |
Peacock: rms is paranoic, crazy |
| 02:33 |
Peacock |
personally, i dont think he bathes |
| 02:34 |
Exio4 |
how is that related to what he is saying |
| 02:34 |
Exio4 |
really, tell me how is that related to the stuff he says |
| 02:34 |
Peacock |
its related to RMS and nothing more :p |
| 02:34 |
Exio4 |
i'm talking about what he says |
| 02:34 |
pehjota |
Peacock: Such characterizations are ad hominem arguments. His personality is unusual, but his points are no less correct for it. |
| 02:35 |
Exio4 |
pehjota: i didn't recall if it was exactly ad hominem, thanks! :P |
| 02:36 |
Peacock |
google, Richard Stallman: 2mil results, Richard Stallman Nuts: half a mil. |
| 02:36 |
Peacock |
those are pretty good odds |
| 02:37 |
pehjota |
No one claimed he's "normal". He's a hacker and a "genius"; they tend to be different. :) |
| 02:38 |
Peacock |
im not religious, and if i was, i wouldn't put my eggs in HIS basket |
| 02:38 |
Peacock |
he talks about freedom but has a pretty good idea of what everybody else should be doing, he's no better than the pope |
| 02:39 |
pehjota |
But like I said, his personality doesn't detract from his arguments. Anyway, ad hominem attacks on RMS are a little off-topic for what was a privacy discussion. |
| 02:39 |
Exio4 |
pehjota: he doesn't have any argument left :P |
| 02:40 |
pehjota |
And I should be going to bed, too. |
| 02:40 |
Exio4 |
good night man! |
| 02:40 |
Peacock |
well, sticking to basics, his vision of things will never come to be, so i'd rather back a horse thas has a chance of winning |
| 02:40 |
Exio4 |
that is what makes his ideas don't "win" |
| 02:40 |
Exio4 |
people having the fear to change |
| 02:40 |
Peacock |
and thats why people like him, the perpetual victim/underdog |
| 02:41 |
Exio4 |
people not being themselves but being what the other people is |
| 02:41 |
Exio4 |
being other sheep ;) |
| 02:41 |
pehjota |
Exio4: Well I don't think "he doesn't have any argument left" is entirely fair to say. The privacy debate was good. |
| 02:42 |
Exio4 |
pehjota: he is trying and retrying trying to "defeat" the argument with saying stuff about RMS, not what he says |
| 02:42 |
Peacock |
ok so whats your argument (about privacy) |
| 02:42 |
Exio4 |
(he = rms) |
| 02:42 |
Exio4 |
Peacock: if you didn't get it yet then you should go back to kindergarten |
| 02:42 |
Exio4 |
i guess in that place is where you learn to read. |
| 02:42 |
Peacock |
you never told me what you did thats needs to be kept secret? |
| 02:43 |
Exio4 |
i already said |
| 02:43 |
Exio4 |
i don't want 100% privacy but being able to have some privacy |
| 02:43 |
Peacock |
100% privacy is talking to people in person (something weird for geeks i know) |
| 02:43 |
pehjota |
Peacock: No, I was basically just meta-defending your privacy arguments for a second there. ;) |
| 02:44 |
Peacock |
unless you put up your phone/internet/snailmail network, you can never be assured of total privacy |
| 02:44 |
Exio4 |
i want to be able to do something and not having all the people around me, and friend-of-friends-of-friends knowing it |
| 02:44 |
Exio4 |
Peacock: try to go to someone's house that uses facebook or twitter |
| 02:44 |
Peacock |
so your gov't lets all your neighbours know everytime you get layed? |
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| 02:44 |
Exio4 |
he will probably say "at home with <yourname>" |
| 02:44 |
Exio4 |
(s)he |
| 02:45 |
Peacock |
not many people in north america i know that tags into every place anymore, that was a fad some years ago |
| 02:45 |
Peacock |
when it was all new |
| 02:45 |
Exio4 |
i don't said tag |
| 02:45 |
Exio4 |
i said name |
| 02:45 |
Peacock |
"checking in", "tag" etc. |
| 02:45 |
pehjota |
Privacy is like security. There's no such thing as total privacy. The idea is just to make it sufficiently difficult for a government or company to learn more about you than you want them to. |
| 02:45 |
Exio4 |
good way to say it |
| 02:45 |
Exio4 |
a very good way |
| 02:46 |
Peacock |
like i said, i make it difficult by filling all my online profiles with bullshit |
| 02:46 |
Exio4 |
suddenly, people around you, we end in the same |
| 02:46 |
Peacock |
god knows facebook harasses me to fill all those out, so bogus schools, hometowns, locations, why not |
| 02:46 |
Exio4 |
you need to make the people around you respect your privacy |
| 02:46 |
Exio4 |
that doesn't happens |
| 02:47 |
Exio4 |
Peacock: 95% of your friends are in X city |
| 02:47 |
Exio4 |
or 90% or any "big number" |
| 02:47 |
Exio4 |
or are in a small range of cities |
| 02:47 |
Peacock |
you chose who you surround yourself with, how can they not now you value privacy more than me or the average guy? |
| 02:47 |
Exio4 |
plus people that is in a small group goes to X school |
| 02:47 |
Peacock |
im not terribly sedentary lol |
| 02:47 |
Exio4 |
and you are in a "Italian Language study group" where those guys go day to whatever they do |
| 02:48 |
Exio4 |
try to look around |
| 02:48 |
Peacock |
ok, say the gov't knows all this about you, what can they do with it? |
| 02:48 |
Exio4 |
they can know more about you that what you do |
| 02:48 |
Exio4 |
but not just the gov |
| 02:48 |
Exio4 |
normal people |
| 02:48 |
Peacock |
ive managed to avoid collections for this long lol |
| 02:49 |
Peacock |
and the gov't shares your adress with them too |
| 02:49 |
Exio4 |
you don't understand it |
| 02:49 |
Exio4 |
my main respect about privacy is for other people |
| 02:49 |
Exio4 |
i don't like the idea of a friend of the sister of a cousin of an aunt of a friend knows what i'm doing at home at 3PM |
| 02:50 |
Exio4 |
why is that even needed? |
| 02:50 |
Peacock |
ive avoided collection agencies and ive avoided getting caught for growing weed, i have a pretty good idea of what not to put out there |
| 02:50 |
Exio4 |
you do |
| 02:50 |
Exio4 |
not the people around you |
| 02:50 |
Exio4 |
i end in the same |
| 02:50 |
Exio4 |
the main problem isn't the person "itself" but the related people |
| 02:50 |
Peacock |
you need to chose your friends more wisely |
| 02:51 |
Exio4 |
Peacock: try to check facebook |
| 02:51 |
Exio4 |
like you were a friend |
| 02:51 |
Peacock |
no one can even see my page on facebook unless i add them first |
| 02:51 |
Exio4 |
yes |
| 02:51 |
Exio4 |
like you were a friend |
| 02:51 |
Exio4 |
i said. |
| 02:51 |
kahrl |
or unless facebook redoes their privacy settings once again |
| 02:52 |
Exio4 |
they will be useless, people doesn't use it |
| 02:52 |
kahrl |
no but at least every half a year they reset something to public by default |
| 02:52 |
Exio4 |
people will say "at the bed, fucking, with <guy>!" with friends-of-firneds |
| 02:52 |
Peacock |
facebook changes their privacy settings all the time, you got to be vigilant or gtfo |
| 02:52 |
Exio4 |
friends in the privacy-thingy |
| 02:53 |
Peacock |
besides, ive gone from 1K friends to 13 friends for that reason |
| 02:53 |
Exio4 |
ehm, i don't know how the stuff is called, nor i recall it |
| 02:53 |
Exio4 |
do those 13 friends have 1K friends or just the same 13? |
| 02:53 |
Peacock |
doesn't matter, friends of friends have no access |
| 02:53 |
Exio4 |
. |
| 02:53 |
Exio4 |
you still don't understand |
| 02:53 |
Exio4 |
or what? |
| 02:54 |
Peacock |
and if someone starts sharing my shit, i dont care if youre my sister, ill flush you |
| 02:54 |
Exio4 |
the idea is avoiding that |
| 02:54 |
Exio4 |
and being paranoic before someone is even able to share shit about you. |
| 02:55 |
Exio4 |
still |
| 02:55 |
Exio4 |
the main problem is the normal people |
| 02:55 |
Peacock |
i understand your concerns, just not your paranoia |
| 02:55 |
Exio4 |
aren't your parents uploading photos of when you were with them 4 months ago? |
| 02:55 |
Exio4 |
(or 4 hours, i don't know you) |
| 02:55 |
Peacock |
you could pull the same shit as me and probably get away with it because busting you is more expensive |
| 02:56 |
Peacock |
no |
| 02:56 |
Peacock |
my mother worked for the gov't, she knows better |
| 02:56 |
Peacock |
and my fathers' gone |
| 02:56 |
Exio4 |
why don't you let her upload photos about you |
| 02:57 |
Exio4 |
with you, and so |
| 02:57 |
Exio4 |
that is what all does, didn't you say you want to be with "that all"? |
| 02:57 |
Peacock |
my mother worked for the PQ government during the FLQ terrorism crisis in the 70's, she knows better |
| 02:57 |
Exio4 |
because being paranoic won't win? |
| 02:57 |
Exio4 |
still |
| 02:57 |
Exio4 |
sab 20 lug 2013, 23.57.43, ART |
| 02:57 |
Exio4 |
getting late, 23:57 |
| 02:57 |
Peacock |
because being paranoid wont bring you any benefits, it will just stress you out more for when you really do have a problem to deal with |
| 02:57 |
Exio4 |
inb4 sunday |
| 02:58 |
Exio4 |
Peacock: i don't see the point of not being paranoic and giving data for free |
| 02:58 |
Exio4 |
that is |
| 02:58 |
Exio4 |
i guess i repeat(ed) this for like 50 times by now |
| 02:58 |
Peacock |
i dont give away data, like i said, im full of shit where my profiles are concerned, but im not paranoid either |
| 02:58 |
Exio4 |
at least |
| 02:58 |
Exio4 |
you are being paranoic when doing that |
| 02:59 |
Peacock |
naw, |
| 02:59 |
Exio4 |
not "100% paranoic" but if you didn't care about that |
| 02:59 |
Peacock |
it was common sense even back in the 90s |
| 02:59 |
Peacock |
nigerian prince scams aren't new |
| 02:59 |
Exio4 |
back in the 90s |
| 02:59 |
Exio4 |
you talk like you were 80yo |
| 02:59 |
Peacock |
you dont tell the internet when you go on vacation and post your adress |
| 02:59 |
Peacock |
nearly in my 30s |
| 02:59 |
Exio4 |
you normally upload photos about your vacation |
| 03:00 |
Exio4 |
because it is the logic right now |
| 03:00 |
Peacock |
dude, i cant afford a vacation, thats why im alot more concerned with real wages and quality of life |
| 03:00 |
Exio4 |
you say that like being paranoic was a full time activity |
| 03:01 |
Peacock |
the way people talk about it, yeah it seems that way lol |
| 03:01 |
pehjota |
Exio4: It's Sunday for you now. :P (23:01 here.) |
| 03:01 |
Exio4 |
pehjota: yes :P |
| 03:01 |
Exio4 |
[00:01:06] <pehjota> Exio4: It's Sunday for you now. :P (23:01 here.) |
| 03:01 |
Exio4 |
23:01:06! |
| 03:01 |
Peacock |
23hrs here too |
| 03:01 |
Exio4 |
(i guess the server is synced :P) |
| 03:01 |
Peacock |
DST |
| 03:01 |
Exio4 |
ART |
| 03:02 |
Exio4 |
i'm argentinian, you probably know |
| 03:02 |
Exio4 |
and you are canadian maudevic, no? |
| 03:02 |
Exio4 |
or how was your nick spelled |
| 03:02 |
pehjota |
Exio4: Yeah: "23:01:06 <pehjota> Exio4: It's Sunday for you now. :P (23:01 here.)" :) |
| 03:02 |
Exio4 |
hehe |
| 03:02 |
pehjota |
(NTP FTW.) |
| 03:02 |
* Exio4 |
highfives pehjota |
| 03:03 |
pehjota |
\o |
| 03:03 |
Exio4 |
o/ :P |
| 03:04 |
pehjota |
And I'm from the East coast of the USA (EST/EDT). |
| 03:04 |
Peacock |
black jesus i just realized today was/is saturday lol |
| 03:05 |
pehjota |
Yay Saturn's Day. |
| 03:06 |
Peacock |
wife's hours changed this week and i was all fucked up when i woke up and breakfast was missing :/ |
| 03:06 |
Peacock |
j/k |
| 03:20 |
pehjota |
Someone should point PilzAdam to this log ^ tomorrow – show him what he started by saying not to use Google Search. ;) |
| 03:21 |
Peacock |
lol, but then the whole discussion would start over :p |
| 03:22 |
pehjota |
In any case, Peacock, you should try Ixquick and Startpage. They don't "duckducksuck". Their results are pretty good (they better be; Ixquick's been doing metasearch since 1998 as I said). ;) |
| 03:23 |
pehjota |
I mostly just use Startpage (basically a proxy for Google), but I sometimes try Ixquick and find it gives even better results. |
| 03:23 |
Peacock |
well with chromium typing anything in the adress bar tends to take you to google search |
| 03:23 |
pehjota |
Peacock: Change that in the settings. |
| 03:24 |
hdastwb |
or use Firefox… |
| 03:24 |
pehjota |
(I don't remember how to do that, but it's possible to use Chromium without it sending everything you do to Google.) |
| 03:24 |
Peacock |
i prefer chromium *because* when i fuck up the adress it brings me to the likeliest thing i was looking for lol |
| 03:25 |
Peacock |
and firefox at the time, offered no easy way to sync bookmarks across computers |
| 03:25 |
hdastwb |
I think it does now, but I haven't used it |
| 03:25 |
Peacock |
there are addons, but addons break everytime firefox has a version change |
| 03:26 |
pehjota |
Peacock: You know, helping people not fuck up addresses is the reason DNS was designed in the first place. You really fuck up domains that often? ;) |
| 03:26 |
hdastwb |
there: http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-sync-take-your-bookmarks-and-tabs-with-you |
| 03:26 |
Peacock |
and before anyone says syncing is evil, i have a seperate account just for chromium lol |
| 03:27 |
Peacock |
one other thing that drove me to insanity was the whole browser crashing when one page acted up |
| 03:27 |
pehjota |
Yeah, like hdastwb mentioned, Firefox Sync. |
| 03:28 |
pehjota |
Peacock: One page == Adobe Flash Player? Or some JavaScript program? |
| 03:28 |
hdastwb |
yeah, but it doesn't spawn millions of different processes that overrun your computer |
| 03:28 |
Peacock |
the processes are there tho so it's only the tab that crashes and not everything else |
| 03:29 |
pehjota |
I run Mozilla Firefox (Debian Iceweasel, really) for months on end with hundreds (sometimes a thousand or so) tabs open at once. It never crashes. |
| 03:29 |
pehjota |
And I have only one firefox-bin process. |
| 03:29 |
Peacock |
and yeah, its usually javascript that does it lol |
| 03:29 |
pehjota |
Peacock: Easy: NoScript. |
| 03:29 |
Peacock |
i got flashblock and all, but not noscript since its too impractical |
| 03:29 |
ShadowNinja |
A thousand? |
| 03:29 |
pehjota |
ShadowNinja: Yes, I'm bad at closing things… ;) |
| 03:29 |
hdastwb |
granted, I've never experienced a browser crash because of content on the pages I'm looking at; both seem to isolate themselves well |
| 03:30 |
Peacock |
with noscript most sites don't work properly |
| 03:30 |
ShadowNinja |
Me too, but I have a few dozen at amx. |
| 03:30 |
hdastwb |
I'll admit to abusing tab groups… |
| 03:30 |
Peacock |
and im too tired to make exceptions for every site i like lol |
| 03:30 |
ShadowNinja |
s/at amx/max/ |
| 03:31 |
* ShadowNinja |
is running /clearobjects again. |
| 03:31 |
pehjota |
Peacock: There used to be something called "degrading gracefully". What kind of shit Web sites do you use that won't work at all without JavaScript? |
| 03:31 |
Peacock |
most of them |
| 03:31 |
hdastwb |
I currently have 66 tabs open in my minetest tab group; I use the dropdown thing to manage them since the tabbar can't scroll accurately enough |
| 03:32 |
pehjota |
Even Facebook has a "mobile" version that requires no JavaScript, I believe. |
| 03:32 |
Peacock |
pure HTML/CSS sites are rare these days |
| 03:32 |
hdastwb |
pure HTML/CSS doesn't give web developers very many options with the implementations of their sites either |
| 03:33 |
Peacock |
well anything with dynamic features is going to involve one or more scripting languages |
| 03:33 |
Peacock |
usually php/asp + javascript |
| 03:33 |
VanessaE |
html + css + a bit of js is enough for my site at least :) |
| 03:33 |
hdastwb |
AJAX is almost always preferable to reloading entire pages, but you can't do that without Javascript |
| 03:33 |
VanessaE |
(but then, mine looks like it was designed in 1995 :P ) |
| 03:33 |
Peacock |
god knows i used to make good money off pretty basic websites lol |
| 03:34 |
ShadowNinja |
VanessaE: What is your map size now? |
| 03:34 |
Peacock |
people thought it was rocket science then |
| 03:34 |
VanessaE |
ShadowNinja: 1.4GB |
| 03:35 |
* ShadowNinja |
wonders if and when redcrab will update... |
| 03:35 |
Peacock |
update map or client? |
| 03:35 |
pehjota |
Anyway, I'm finally going to bed now before it becomes Sun's Day here too. :P |
| 03:35 |
ShadowNinja |
Hmmm: http://ix.io/6M2 |
| 03:36 |
VanessaE |
ShadowNinja: probably not for a long while yet, if ever - many of his mods are out of date and his mapfile is broken |
| 03:36 |
VanessaE |
he's still on 0.4.4, so I understand anyway |
| 03:37 |
Peacock |
not bad |
| 03:37 |
ShadowNinja |
Why is the moddb under the forum? |
| 03:40 |
VanessaE |
? |
| 03:42 |
ShadowNinja |
VanessaE: forum.minetest.net/mmdb |
| 03:43 |
VanessaE |
ohyes |
| 03:43 |
ShadowNinja |
Uses the forum login? |
| 03:43 |
VanessaE |
don't remember any details though - probably to be used with the mod manager that's in the client |
| 03:44 |
Megaf_ |
so, How do I unban someone from my server? |
| 03:44 |
Megaf_ |
I used the /ban nick command |
| 03:44 |
* ShadowNinja |
wants his normal nick on the forums. :'( |
| 03:44 |
ShadowNinja |
Megaf_: /unban nick |
| 03:48 |
Megaf_ |
that would not work, it crashes the server |
| 03:48 |
VanessaE |
Megaf_: edit worlds/yourworld/ipban.txt and then restart your server. |
| 03:49 |
VanessaE |
one line per ban, so just delete the offending line, if /unban doesn't work |
| 03:50 |
kahrl |
/unban has been broken in 0.4.7, it was fixed shortly after that |
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Peacock |
do wildcards work in ingame bans? |
| 03:52 |
ShadowNinja |
Peacock: No. |
| 03:52 |
kahrl |
there are only IP bans, actually |
| 03:52 |
ShadowNinja |
CIDR bans would be nice... |
| 03:53 |
Peacock |
hm, so some random Guest account is banned 'till i remember the 4 digits that came after lol |
| 03:53 |
Peacock |
otherwise with wildcards id just do /ban Guest* |
| 03:54 |
Peacock |
i suppose its still possible with a mod, onjoinplayer and regex |
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ShadowNinja |
Peacock: Look in ipban.txt. It will be listed there. |
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Peacock |
oh well, this particular world is going to hell, the griefers already got started wit hthe lava lol |
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Peacock |
http://cdn.meme.li/instances/300x300/39903800.jpg |
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Mallot1 |
hey |
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Mallot1 |
"The procedure entry point __gxx_personality_v0 could not be located in the dynamic link library F:Projects\Coding programs\CodeBlocks\irrlicht-1Â.8\lib\Irrlicht.dll." What did u do wrong? |
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Mallot1 |
"The procedure entry point __gxx_personality_v0 could not be located in the dynamic link library F:Projects\Coding programs\CodeBlocks\irrlicht-1Â.8\lib\Irrlicht.dll." What did i do wrong? |
| 04:02 |
Peacock |
posting it twice doesn't help :p |
| 04:04 |
Peacock |
did you try irrlick 1.7? |
| 04:04 |
kahrl |
well it's obvious, your irrlicht has a personality disorder |
| 04:05 |
Peacock |
his irrlicht was likely arrested in a stolen car wearing women's clothes :p |
| 04:05 |
Mallot1 |
? |
| 04:05 |
Peacock |
lol j/k |
| 04:05 |
Mallot1 |
lol |
| 04:05 |
Mallot1 |
and changed something th esecond post |
| 04:06 |
Mallot1 |
changed u to i |
| 04:06 |
Peacock |
well i heard someone say irrlicht 1.8 was buggy, dont know if its true |
| 04:07 |
Peacock |
maybe its just your install though, did you try reinstalling? |
| 04:07 |
kahrl |
did you use the MSVC irrlicht.dll with mingw? |
| 04:07 |
hdastwb |
ah; see, there's our C++ compilers not being binary-compatible issue again |
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Mallot1 |
what is that? |
| 04:08 |
Mallot1 |
i used the gcc version |
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hdastwb |
I think you're good then… |
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kahrl |
maybe it uses the msvc one through your %PATH% or something |
| 04:10 |
hdastwb |
the problem is that there's no standardization as to how library code is represented in shared libraries (DLLs for Windows), thus different compilers do things differently and make it hard to link cross-compiler |
| 04:11 |
kahrl |
well, there is, but only for C |
| 04:11 |
hdastwb |
the other problem is that calling MSVC a C++ compiler is a bit of a long shot… |
| 04:11 |
kahrl |
not C++ |
| 04:11 |
hdastwb |
yes, I was just talking about C++ code |
| 04:11 |
Peacock |
is he compiling on windows or trying to run binaries? |
| 04:12 |
Exio4 |
C ftw :> |
| 04:12 |
Peacock |
B ftw |
| 04:12 |
hdastwb |
he's got Code::Blocks on his path; I'm assuming he's compiling |
| 04:12 |
Peacock |
yeah, he'd have better luck with those ready-made binaries people put up (on windows anyways) |
| 04:13 |
hdastwb |
…and watch as the big argument we just had on -dev migrates to this channel |
| 04:13 |
Peacock |
please no, dev arguments for dev channel |
| 04:13 |
Peacock |
:p |
| 04:13 |
VanessaE |
"ready-made binary" --> http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/c55/minetest-0.4.7-46d1d70-win32.7z |
| 04:13 |
Peacock |
we just had a big one about privacy an hour ago :p |
| 04:13 |
VanessaE |
in case Mallot1's just has a bad copy |
| 04:13 |
VanessaE |
-'s |
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Mallot1 |
im not trying to install minetest |
| 04:15 |
Mallot1 |
in trying to use irrlicht |
| 04:16 |
VanessaE |
ohhh |
| 04:16 |
hdastwb |
have you linked the static library into your program? |
| 04:16 |
hdastwb |
you probably did; that was a stupid question… |
| 04:16 |
Mallot1 |
Irrlicht.h? |
| 04:17 |
Mallot1 |
heres my code: |
| 04:17 |
Peacock |
what did #irrlicht have to say? |
| 04:17 |
hdastwb |
you'd pass it in using a -l flag on the command line |
| 04:17 |
hdastwb |
or, with Code::Blocks, in the project settings |
| 04:17 |
Mallot1 |
http://pastebin.com/2vyd4DH4 |
| 04:18 |
hdastwb |
how are you compiling it? |
| 04:18 |
Mallot1 |
i have to go in a couple minites |
| 04:18 |
Mallot1 |
by clicking build and run |
| 04:19 |
Mallot1 |
. #irrlicht noone is active |
| 04:19 |
Mallot1 |
the period is a typo |
| 04:22 |
Exio4 |
[01:19:36] <Mallot1> . #irrlicht noone is active |
| 04:22 |
Exio4 |
how much did you wait |
| 04:23 |
Mallot1 |
well someone anwserd an hour ago |
| 04:23 |
Mallot1 |
a asked a question 5 minites ago |
| 04:23 |
Mallot1 |
and i have to go in a couple of minites |
| 04:24 |
VanessaE |
minutes* |
| 04:24 |
Mallot1 |
ok |
| 04:25 |
Exio4 |
you are doing it wrong, then |
| 04:25 |
Exio4 |
you ask, then wait for some hours |
| 04:25 |
Exio4 |
if you don't see a response, you go to the forums |
| 04:25 |
Exio4 |
but before doing all of this |
| 04:25 |
Exio4 |
you should have rtfm(ed) and used a search engine to look around |
| 04:26 |
Exio4 |
if you aren't able to get useful info, or you can't understand it, go back and try to get the proper bases first |
| 04:26 |
Exio4 |
if not, this is a deadend |
| 04:26 |
Exio4 |
anyway |
| 04:26 |
Exio4 |
good night |
| 04:27 |
Peacock |
all your bases are belong to us |
| 04:27 |
Mallot1 |
i gtg |
| 04:28 |
Mallot1 |
and u NEVER give up |
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Peacock |
in the server list, what does C/D/P mean? |
| 04:43 |
VanessaE |
creative, damage enabled, pvp enabled |
| 04:43 |
VanessaE |
I think. |
| 04:43 |
Peacock |
must be a bug because i have damage disabled and mine says CDP |
| 04:43 |
Peacock |
unless D is for something else |
| 04:44 |
VanessaE |
I'm probably wrong then :P |
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Peacock |
i thought p meant public tho so heh lol |
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VanessaE |
bbl |
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Peacock |
anybody using ubuntu services should change their passwords |
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Peacock |
http://ubuntuforums.org/announce.html?p=11488790 |
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PoorBstrd |
Hi |
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VanessaE |
hi |
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PoorBstrd |
I would like to point something out |
| 07:38 |
VanessaE |
careful, that could be dangerous ;) |
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nalkri |
I'd like PoorBstrd to point something out |
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nalkri |
The curiosity is driving me mad |
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PoorBstrd |
http://bpaste.net/show/4AhFBmalHja53WJnl0js/ |
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PoorBstrd |
The side of the list goes off the screen[/irrelevant] |
| 07:40 |
Calinou |
huh? |
| 07:40 |
* Calinou |
won their prediction |
| 07:40 |
Calinou |
you pasted a banlist, I did /banlist |
| 07:40 |
VanessaE |
what's so special abotu the ban list? |
| 07:40 |
PoorBstrd |
ALL the entries match an IP i have had once! |
| 07:41 |
PoorBstrd |
...Probably |
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VanessaE |
most of them are proxies |
| 07:41 |
VanessaE |
afaik anyway |
| 07:42 |
PoorBstrd |
http://bpaste.net/show/GvNtsvGrqr07CZ8riekp/ |
| 07:42 |
PoorBstrd |
my ip is at the top |
| 07:43 |
PoorBstrd |
if i restart my router, is it possible to get a same IP as i previously had? |
| 07:43 |
VanessaE |
sometimes |
| 07:43 |
nalkri |
I will always get the same 8 as befor |
| 07:43 |
VanessaE |
but 86.158.* doesn't appear in the ban list, so you needn't worry |
| 07:43 |
nalkri |
*before |
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PoorBstrd |
But, you see my ip changes |
| 07:44 |
PoorBstrd |
Last record by system: 86.142.63.81 |
| 07:44 |
VanessaE |
if your IP changes so radically that you gotta worry about which class-B you're on, you should stop using proxies/tor/etc to sign onto irc |
| 07:45 |
VanessaE |
your ISP isn't likely to move you from one network segment to another randomly like that |
| 07:45 |
* VanessaE |
pokes Taoki[mobile] |
| 07:46 |
Calinou |
what did Taoki[mobile] do? :P |
| 07:46 |
VanessaE |
he signed on ;) |
| 07:46 |
Taoki[mobile] |
Hi |
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nalkri |
I died on spawn and then my client crashed :( |
| 07:46 |
Taoki[mobile] |
Yeah, on thw road now |
| 07:47 |
PoorBstrd |
Perhaps you didnt quite get my point |
| 07:47 |
Taoki[mobile] |
I wish there was an android minetest roo |
| 07:48 |
VanessaE |
eventually I'm sure there will be :) |
| 07:48 |
MasterBot |
Could you unban me? |
| 07:48 |
VanessaE |
if you were banned, you wouldn't be able to chat in here :P |
| 07:49 |
MasterBot |
I am banned |
| 07:50 |
MasterBot |
markveidemanis MarkTwain |
| 07:50 |
Calinou |
Taoki[mobile]: it would probably be too slow |
| 07:50 |
MasterBot |
Calinou: Minecraft isnt |
| 07:50 |
Calinou |
if your app isn't made for ARM-style workloads then it's goin to be slow |
| 07:50 |
MasterBot |
On my tablet |
| 07:50 |
Calinou |
MasterBot: minecraft is a very lightweight C++ recode |
| 07:50 |
Calinou |
the pocket edition |
| 07:51 |
Calinou |
Taoki[mobile]: maybe on a good smartphone/tablet it would be playable |
| 07:51 |
MasterBot |
Then make the same for minetest, i think its already in progress |
| 07:51 |
MasterBot |
mosstest? |
| 07:51 |
Calinou |
mosstest is java, and is pointless |
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Taoki[mobile] |
On my Galaxy S3 it should work |
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Calinou |
finally github decided to not show that obnoxious "1000+ commits" |
| 08:24 |
Calinou |
minetest has 2,971 commits |
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PenguinDad |
https://pod.geraspora.de/posts/1413792 :D |
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pitriss |
Hi all. I need bit help with luacontroller programing.. I'm playing on landrush server an there i'm trying to program lua controller.. .. when I'm use if event.type == "on" then ... end then my code is working.. |
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MasterBot |
Hello |
| 09:25 |
pitriss |
..but when I try if event.type == "on" and event.pin == "B" then ... end then my code won't work.. |
| 09:25 |
pitriss |
where I did mistake? |
| 09:25 |
MasterBot |
What are you trying to do? |
| 09:26 |
pitriss |
MasterBot: Hi. |
| 09:26 |
MasterBot |
if pin.b == true then |
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pitriss |
Im trying to detect which pin get on signal to decide action.. event.pin was in examples on internet but it looks broken.. i will try your solution:) |
| 09:27 |
MasterBot |
Wait.. |
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MasterBot |
if pin.b then |
| 09:28 |
MasterBot |
thats shorter and correct |
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pitriss |
MasterBot: ok:) |
| 09:32 |
pitriss |
MasterBot: yes it seems ok..:) Thank you.. |
| 09:32 |
MasterBot |
No worries |
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Peacock |
im guessing pin.b isn't a bool |
| 09:41 |
MasterBot |
yes it is |
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MasterBot |
:) |
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Peacock |
ahhh, i see what he did there lol event.pin == 'B" instead of pin.b |
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MasterBot |
When you SET ports, it is important to use port.a = true |
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MasterBot |
Anyone have any experience optimizing a website? |
| 09:47 |
MasterBot |
i am having trouble |
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Peacock |
if you were coding it ten years ago i could help, im pretty useless now though |
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* VanessaE |
wanders off to bed..again |
| 10:13 |
Calinou |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=101194#p101194 |
| 10:13 |
Calinou |
lol |
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arsdragonfly |
http://imgur.com/WA6RoRA |
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arsdragonfly |
double epic fail :-P |
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arsdragonfly |
notice that there's a bottle on the edge |
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nalkri |
Does the server care about interact being in the centre of view? |
| 10:37 |
nalkri |
I'm guessing it never knows but... |
| 10:37 |
Calinou |
nalkri: interact being in the centre of view? |
| 10:37 |
nalkri |
The crosshair being in the centre of the view |
| 10:37 |
Calinou |
no, anticheat doesn't prevent mining behind you or stuff like that |
| 10:37 |
nalkri |
Cool :) |
| 10:37 |
Calinou |
but it prevents mining from far away |
| 10:37 |
Calinou |
lol "cool" |
| 10:38 |
Calinou |
le haxor |
| 10:38 |
nalkri |
I was just thinking of using a Wii remote or similar |
| 10:38 |
nalkri |
I'm certainly no elite hacksaw |
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nalkri |
of course using a game 'troller would pretty much require voice |
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PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
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Calinou |
hi |
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MasterBot |
Hi |
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mitori |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachyon |
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PenguinDad |
Preview Picture of my next mod. http://mg.viewskew.com/u/penguidad/m/morefences-preview/ |
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PilzAdam |
is the second from the left a pumpkin fence? |
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PenguinDad |
It's a bronze fence. |
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PilzAdam |
you definitely need a pumpkin fence |
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Calinou |
nyancat fences or nothing |
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PenguinDad |
I have nyancat fences |
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PenguinDad |
PilzAdam: here a pumpkin fence http://mg.viewskew.com/u/penguidad/m/morefences-pumpkin-fence/ |
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Calinou |
>viewskew |
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PilzAdam |
new win build: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4547 |
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PenguinDad |
Mithril Fences will be added ,too |
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Calinou |
weren't apples supposed to heal 0.5 heart? |
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Calinou |
they heal 2 hearts on VanessaE's server |
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MasterBot |
Have a heart, Calinou! |
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PilzAdam |
Calinou, moretrees overrides them |
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You can't have an input unless you get more than half of one |
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PenguinDad |
Hi meldrian |
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meldrian |
hey ho |
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MasterBot |
!server players:most |
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MinetestBot |
MasterBot: LandRush Server | 205.185.115.160:31000 | Clients: 13/15, 15 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.296 |
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MasterBot |
!server players:most ping:least |
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MinetestBot |
MasterBot: LandRush Server | 205.185.115.160:31000 | Clients: 13/15, 15 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.296 |
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MasterBot |
fair enough |
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MasterBot |
Error Access Denied: Too many Users |
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PenguinDad |
!up 0gb.us |
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MinetestBot |
0gb.us:30000 is up (375ms) |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: RealBadAngel commited to minetest/minetest: Fix light issue in 6d facedir. 0850d3fcf8 2013-07-21T05:06:18-07:00 http://git.io/kkEumw |
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sudi |
hey |
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sudi |
are you doing some kind of occlusion testing before rendering? |
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Calinou |
sudi: yes |
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Calinou |
if you have a compatible driver, of course |
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Calinou |
except when you're inside a block in noclip |
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sudi |
Calinou: what kind of occlusion testing? |
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Calinou |
what do you mean by "what kind"? |
| 12:29 |
Calinou |
occlusion culling + view frustum culling |
| 12:33 |
sudi |
how does the occlusion culling work? |
| 12:33 |
sudi |
i mean |
| 12:33 |
Calinou |
sudi: you can read the source code |
| 12:33 |
sudi |
is it using the voxel data |
| 12:33 |
sudi |
in an octree |
| 12:33 |
sudi |
or are you rendering stuff to a buffer |
| 12:33 |
sudi |
and filter like that |
| 12:35 |
RealBadAngel |
its irrlicht stuff |
| 12:36 |
RealBadAngel |
minetest world is an irrlicht scene node |
| 12:36 |
RealBadAngel |
and all such computations are made by irllicht |
| 12:36 |
sudi |
ok |
| 12:36 |
sudi |
thx |
| 12:36 |
sudi |
thats what i wanted to know |
| 12:38 |
sudi |
so no special octree culling used there |
| 12:38 |
RealBadAngel |
afaik no |
| 12:39 |
RealBadAngel |
all the elements are just gathered together and thrown in into scene |
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| 12:40 |
BlockMen |
hi everyone |
| 12:42 |
RealBadAngel |
hi |
| 12:43 |
PenguinDad |
G'Day |
| 12:45 |
Calinou |
voxel, not octree |
| 12:45 |
qwrwed |
RealBadAngel, I can't get Technic supply converters to work - I could get a HV-MV conversion fine, but not an MV-LV conversion https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=101104#p101104 |
| 12:46 |
RealBadAngel |
qwrwed, i will take a look on it. its not my code, i have to read it |
| 12:47 |
qwrwed |
ok |
| 12:48 |
Zeg9 |
Hey qwrwed, long time |
| 12:48 |
sudi |
Calinou: well since the voxel data could be easily put into an octree for visibility checking |
| 12:48 |
qwrwed |
Hi Zeg9 :) |
| 12:50 |
sudi |
btw you didn't happen to implement a marching cube algorythm or dual contouring? |
| 12:50 |
sudi |
i mean just for testing |
| 12:50 |
sudi |
? |
| 12:51 |
RealBadAngel |
i dont know even whats that lol |
| 12:52 |
sudi |
RealBadAngel: marching cubes produces round feature meshes from voxel data |
| 12:53 |
sudi |
dual contouring can produce both. round and sharp features(boxes) |
| 12:53 |
RealBadAngel |
im reading now about it |
| 12:53 |
RealBadAngel |
and i dont think its needed here |
| 12:53 |
RealBadAngel |
for round things you can use meshes |
| 12:53 |
sudi |
no its not |
| 12:54 |
sudi |
well i am trying to build a level editor using voxel data for easy modeling of the enviroment |
| 12:54 |
RealBadAngel |
you can import to minetest any model that irrlicht supports |
| 12:54 |
sudi |
but since this editor is not supposed to produce minecraft like worlds |
| 12:54 |
sudi |
its not that easy |
| 12:55 |
sudi |
its not really related to minetest |
| 12:56 |
sudi |
just wondering of some technics used |
| 12:56 |
sudi |
i could still use in the editor |
| 12:57 |
RealBadAngel |
for such questions you shall rather try irrlicht channel or forums |
| 12:57 |
sudi |
well you guys obviously invested some time thinking about voxel worlds and represantation and storing |
| 12:59 |
Calinou |
nothing wrong with blocks |
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BlockMen |
RealBadAngle, btw thx for making drowning controlable by LUA |
| 13:07 |
sudi |
Calinou: true but if you don't want them....or at least not everywhere |
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sudi |
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/36978459/voxel1.png |
| 13:27 |
sudi |
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/36978459/voxel2.png |
| 13:27 |
sudi |
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/36978459/voxel3.png |
| 13:27 |
sudi |
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/36978459/voxel4.png |
| 13:27 |
PilzAdam |
hello john_pony! |
| 13:31 |
thexyz |
oh wow |
| 13:32 |
thexyz |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6611 |
| 13:33 |
PenguinDad |
But don't use it on a server!!1! |
| 13:34 |
thexyz |
just don't use it |
| 13:35 |
thexyz |
it's so insecure i don't even |
| 13:36 |
Zeg9 |
"oh cool a terminal emulator for minetest" |
| 13:36 |
Zeg9 |
That's what I thought when I saw the mod |
| 13:36 |
Zeg9 |
When I read a bit more, I understood it was REALLY calling the commands... |
| 13:37 |
Zeg9 |
mesecons with their command blocks is already enough :D |
| 13:38 |
MasterBot |
sudo rm / |
| 13:38 |
Zeg9 |
john_minetest: let's create a "server modpack" |
| 13:39 |
PilzAdam |
john_minetest, echo "name = PilzAdam" >> minetest.conf; and you get the server priv after next restart |
| 13:39 |
PilzAdam |
thats how you take over the server |
| 13:41 |
thexyz |
PilzAdam: that was possible btw |
| 13:41 |
PenguinDad |
:D |
| 13:41 |
thexyz |
similar thing |
| 13:42 |
BlockMen |
PilzAdam, your builtin mod was crashing Minetest+ |
| 13:42 |
BlockMen |
https://github.com/PilzAdam/builtin_item/blob/master/init.lua#L89 |
| 13:42 |
* PilzAdam |
hides |
| 13:43 |
BlockMen |
that fixes ->https://github.com/BlockMen/minetest_plus/blob/master/mods/builtin_item/init.lua#L89 |
| 13:44 |
sudi |
john_minetest: didn't mean to post them here... |
| 13:45 |
sudi |
had the wrong tap open when i was pasting the links |
| 13:45 |
sudi |
and to answer the question |
| 13:45 |
sudi |
its not minetest |
| 13:46 |
PenguinDad |
Maybe Minecraft? |
| 13:46 |
sudi |
PenguinDad: no |
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Zeg9 |
sudi: a project you're working on? |
| 13:47 |
Zeg9 |
(no kidding :p) |
| 13:48 |
PenguinDad |
G'Day Jordach |
| 13:48 |
Jordach |
morning |
| 13:48 |
sudi |
Zeg9: yeah |
| 13:48 |
PilzAdam |
sfan5, why doesnt MinetestBot just check if the nickname is identified? that would be better than hostmasks |
| 13:52 |
Jordach |
PilzAdam, you only get a hostmask if youre identified |
| 13:52 |
PilzAdam |
Jordach, ummm.... |
| 13:53 |
PilzAdam |
you may want to think about what you have said again |
| 13:54 |
PilzAdam |
Zeg9, a picture is not a good bug report |
| 13:55 |
pehjota |
Jordach: You're thinking of cloaks. |
| 13:55 |
Zeg9 |
PilzAdam, There is no error |
| 13:56 |
PilzAdam |
and you dont have hardware or a driver? |
| 13:57 |
Zeg9 |
Linux 3.9.9-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Jul 3 22:45:16 CEST 2013 x86_64 |
| 13:57 |
Zeg9 |
Using renderer: OpenGL 2.1 |
| 13:57 |
Zeg9 |
Mesa DRI Intel(R) Ironlake Desktop : Intel Open Source Technology Center |
| 13:57 |
Zeg9 |
OpenGL driver version is 1.2 or better. |
| 13:57 |
Zeg9 |
GLSL version: 1.2 |
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Yepoleb |
Is it possible to disable transparent leaves? |
| 13:59 |
PenguinDad |
Yes |
| 13:59 |
PilzAdam |
yes |
| 14:00 |
Yepoleb |
how? |
| 14:01 |
PenguinDad |
Disable fancy trees in settings. |
| 14:03 |
Yepoleb |
thanks |
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MasterBot |
!up minetest.org 30010 |
| 14:07 |
MinetestBot |
minetest.org:30010 seems to be down |
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| 14:14 |
MasterBot |
!up google.com |
| 14:14 |
MinetestBot |
google.com:30000 seems to be down |
| 14:14 |
MasterBot |
!up google.com:80 |
| 14:14 |
MinetestBot |
MasterBot: Note: Syntax changed please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337' |
| 14:14 |
MasterBot |
!up google.com 80 |
| 14:14 |
MinetestBot |
google.com:80 seems to be down |
| 14:14 |
PilzAdam |
!ignore MasterBot |
| 14:14 |
Exio4 |
aww |
| 14:14 |
Exio4 |
i still have that cute +v |
| 14:15 |
PilzAdam |
!devoice Exio4 |
| 14:15 |
Exio4 |
ew |
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* Exio4 |
throws renewable obsidian to PilzAdam |
| 14:16 |
MasterBot |
PilzAdam: you are a knob |
| 14:16 |
PilzAdam |
I read it as "* Exio4 throws nothing to PilzAdam" |
| 14:16 |
PenguinDad |
:D |
| 14:16 |
Exio4 |
ew |
| 14:17 |
Exio4 |
PilzAdam: how would you check if an user is identified? |
| 14:18 |
PilzAdam |
there is a way |
| 14:19 |
MasterBot |
the number thing |
| 14:19 |
Exio4 |
PilzAdam: what way? |
| 14:19 |
Exio4 |
i want to know a cheap way ofc |
| 14:19 |
Exio4 |
not sending a who/is every line |
| 14:20 |
Exio4 |
BlockMen: https://github.com/BlockMen/minetest_plus/blob/master/mods/hud/hunger.lua#L23 |
| 14:20 |
Exio4 |
wouldn't be possible to just use "after 0"? |
| 14:22 |
BlockMen |
Exio, i guess it would work. but i noticed different times (on other things) that after 0 is not working |
| 14:22 |
BlockMen |
like for adding hud elements |
| 14:22 |
Exio4 |
i just said that case |
| 14:25 |
BlockMen |
Exio4, i will check if 0 is working; and is there a benefit? |
| 14:26 |
Exio4 |
not 0.5 delay ;P |
| 14:28 |
BlockMen |
if you will be able to eat something before its override i will change to 0 :P |
| 14:28 |
BlockMen |
and it works with 0 btw |
| 14:29 |
Exio4 |
i don't use MT+ though |
| 14:30 |
Exio4 |
and as you handle all this stuff in the server, without any type of prediction i guess that game will work pretty well in singleplayer but will suck in MP |
| 14:30 |
Exio4 |
where having a not-constant latency and possible lagspikes (because the internet is shared, you'll be downloading something maybe) is a common thing |
| 14:32 |
BlockMen |
well, since there is nearly no one playing this game and no server hosting it i dont know how Minetest+ works on MP |
| 14:34 |
BlockMen |
so if anyone here could test MT+ on a server i would be grateful |
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Exio4 |
i can setup a test server in this server, only for testing, would you try it? |
| 14:36 |
Exio4 |
hi torified zeg9 |
| 14:36 |
PenguinDad |
G'Day Zeg9 |
| 14:36 |
Exio4 |
BlockMen: hi? :P |
| 14:36 |
Zeg9 |
Hi :P |
| 14:38 |
Zeg9 |
Exio4: how did you get this trekweb thing ? |
| 14:38 |
BlockMen |
Exio4, that would be nice, thx |
| 14:38 |
Exio4 |
having a #trekweb znc + asking for cloak to the GC :P |
| 14:39 |
Exio4 |
BlockMen: lemme setup this, i will use the latest git, is that k? (for both, minetest & mt_plus) |
| 14:39 |
BlockMen |
Exio4, yes, last git would be best (both) :) |
| 14:40 |
Exio4 |
good |
| 14:41 |
Exio4 |
compiling |
| 14:41 |
BlockMen |
im kinda excited weather it lags as much as expected^^ |
| 14:42 |
Exio4 |
should i configure something before or just run the world? |
| 14:42 |
BlockMen |
just run...no need to configure (i guess) |
| 14:42 |
Exio4 |
i hope it doesn't kill me ;P |
| 14:43 |
BlockMen |
thats an easter egg :P |
| 14:43 |
Exio4 |
ew |
| 14:43 |
Exio4 |
BlockMen: query? |
| 14:44 |
BlockMen |
huh? |
| 14:45 |
Exio4 |
private message |
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PenguinDad |
What about waffles for minetest? |
| 14:52 |
PenguinDad |
waffle.io |
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* Jordach |
wonders if anyone plays zero-k.info |
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Jordach |
Calinou, played zero-k yet? |
| 15:28 |
Calinou |
no |
| 15:29 |
PenguinDad |
What is zero-k? |
| 15:29 |
Jordach |
http://zero-k.info :P |
| 15:31 |
PenguinDad |
Don't like RTS games. |
| 15:39 |
meldrian |
Jordach, thx4link, i'll check it out |
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PilzAdam |
inb4 new holarse article |
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nalkri |
To Technic generators stack? |
| 15:51 |
nalkri |
As in, can I make a stack of mills and just use one water block to power them all? |
| 15:51 |
nalkri |
*and get all the power out of the bottom) |
| 15:54 |
Jordach |
nope |
| 15:54 |
Jordach |
one water turbine per 1 water source |
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nalkri |
Cool, I'll make a grid then :) |
| 15:56 |
PenguinDad |
Yeah, Rancon is interested on my Mod. |
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nalkri |
Jordach: but if I separated them by one each vertically it woulld work right? |
| 15:58 |
Jordach |
nalkri, no |
| 15:58 |
nalkri |
I thought all that mattered was flowing water |
| 15:58 |
Jordach |
you have to have them separated by one nodes space, so like: x x x x |
| 15:59 |
Jordach |
and wires underneath the turbine |
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nalkri |
Oh well, it won't be quite as pretty as I wanted then :) |
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pitriss |
nalkri: if you will find my house on landrush you can take look at my water mill farm:D |
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nalkri |
pitriss: send me coords? |
| 16:00 |
nalkri |
I can't log in right now but I'll come see |
| 16:00 |
nalkri |
I think it was near my Tower of Doom |
| 16:01 |
PenguinDad |
!server players:most |
| 16:01 |
MinetestBot |
PenguinDad: Clip Minetest server | 217.8.90.18:30001 | Clients: 11/12, 11 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.244 |
| 16:01 |
Jordach |
!deop OldCoder |
| 16:02 |
pitriss |
nalkri: IDK coords but my home is visible on map, so i can take screenshot.. but I will send you coords when I finally connect to landrush:) |
| 16:02 |
nalkri |
pitriss: thanks :) |
| 16:04 |
* nalkri |
still thinks a nice stack of water mills would look pretty |
| 16:04 |
Zeg9 |
!server |
| 16:04 |
MinetestBot |
Zeg9: Testing: ipv6 only, ARM cpu | [2002:50f0:d845:2:cd6e:4cde:e82b:f2a1]:1234 | Clients: 0/100, 0 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.160 |
| 16:04 |
Zeg9 |
!server |
| 16:04 |
MinetestBot |
Zeg9: Testing: ipv6 only, ARM cpu | [2002:50f0:d845:2:cd6e:4cde:e82b:f2a1]:1234 | Clients: 0/100, 0 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.160 |
| 16:04 |
Zeg9 |
-_-, why is it always this one? |
| 16:05 |
MinetestBot |
I like IPv6 |
| 16:05 |
Jordach |
!server |
| 16:05 |
MinetestBot |
Jordach: Megaf Server | megaf.no-ip.info | Clients: 5/25, 6 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.340 |
| 16:05 |
Jordach |
Zeg9, ^ |
| 16:05 |
nalkri |
!server |
| 16:05 |
MinetestBot |
nalkri: LinuxGaming.us | LinuxGaming.us | Clients: 9/32, 15 | Version: 0.4.6 | ping: 0.211 |
| 16:05 |
Zeg9 |
!server |
| 16:05 |
MinetestBot |
Zeg9: Clip Minetest server | 217.8.90.18:30001 | Clients: 8/12, 11 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.311 |
| 16:05 |
Zeg9 |
Ah. Worked that time :P |
| 16:05 |
Zeg9 |
does players:least takes 0-player servers into account? |
| 16:06 |
Zeg9 |
!server players:least |
| 16:06 |
MinetestBot |
Zeg9: Testing: ipv6 only, ARM cpu | [2002:50f0:d845:2:cd6e:4cde:e82b:f2a1]:1234 | Clients: 0/100, 0 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.160 |
| 16:06 |
Zeg9 |
^ seems so:p |
| 16:06 |
PilzAdam |
!server players:leas players:>0 |
| 16:06 |
MinetestBot |
PilzAdam: No results |
| 16:07 |
PilzAdam |
!server players:least players:>0 |
| 16:07 |
MinetestBot |
PilzAdam: No results |
| 16:07 |
PilzAdam |
sfan5? |
| 16:07 |
Zeg9 |
!server players:>0 players:least |
| 16:07 |
MinetestBot |
Zeg9: [Non-24hr] CalumMc's Server | minetest.mcalinden.me.uk | Clients: 1/6, 2 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.158 |
| 16:07 |
Zeg9 |
:-) |
| 16:07 |
PilzAdam |
ah |
| 16:09 |
Zeg9 |
!server name:lol |
| 16:09 |
MinetestBot |
Zeg9: No results |
| 16:10 |
Zeg9 |
!server hosting-os:windows |
| 16:10 |
MinetestBot |
Zeg9: No results |
| 16:10 |
MinetestBot |
Zeg9: Testing: ipv6 only, ARM cpu | [2002:50f0:d845:2:cd6e:4cde:e82b:f2a1]:1234 | Clients: 0/100, 0 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.160 |
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Zeg9 |
ARM cpu, hosting under windows ? weird. |
| 16:18 |
proller |
ubuntu |
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NekoGloop |
meow |
| 16:19 |
proller |
but now no info about hosting-os reported |
| 16:20 |
NekoGloop |
!server players:most |
| 16:20 |
MinetestBot |
NekoGloop: LinuxGaming.us | LinuxGaming.us | Clients: 9/32, 15 | Version: 0.4.6 | ping: 0.194 |
| 16:29 |
MasterBot |
Theres a special thing in irc that not many people know about |
| 16:29 |
MasterBot |
what you do is, /q <user> and it lets you talk to that user ! |
| 16:30 |
MasterBot |
PilzAdam is not the only one who can mock |
| 16:34 |
Zeg9 |
MasterBot: do you know about the /part trick ? |
| 16:34 |
MasterBot |
no |
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MasterBot |
what does that do? |
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MasterBot |
... |
| 16:35 |
MasterBot |
Its like magic! |
| 16:35 |
PilzAdam |
Zeg9, *highfive* |
| 16:35 |
Zeg9 |
:-) |
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Jordach |
MasterBot, /part 0 |
| 16:36 |
MasterBot |
did it display the message i typed? |
| 16:36 |
Zeg9 |
You probably didn't run the good command. |
| 16:36 |
Zeg9 |
/part run_code{MinetestBot.admin()} |
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Jordach |
!op |
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Jordach |
sfan5, is sfan5| you? |
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sfan5| |
I'm sfan5 |
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PilzAdam |
sfan5|, phone? |
| 16:40 |
sfan5| |
yep |
| 16:40 |
Jordach |
!doep |
| 16:40 |
Jordach |
!deop |
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Jordach |
sfan5|, didnt trust it |
| 16:43 |
Jordach |
sfan5, you could have asked |
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* sokomine |
looks puzzled |
| 16:44 |
sokomine |
i get strange effects in latest build... |
| 16:44 |
sfan5| |
asked what? |
| 16:44 |
sokomine |
kind of like a prism... |
| 16:44 |
Jordach |
sfan5|, me, duh |
| 16:45 |
Calinou |
sokomine: the NSA is spying minetest! |
| 16:46 |
Jordach |
the was a spuy |
| 16:46 |
Jordach |
spy* |
| 16:47 |
sokomine |
here you can see the effect i'm puzzled about: http://mg.viewskew.com/u/sokomine/m/screenshot-35555951/ |
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sokomine |
calinou: at least that seems relatively unlikely :-) not many economic secrets to be gathered here...(except, perhaps, the upcoming market price for mese on redcrabs server? who knows!) |
| 16:48 |
Exio4 |
MasterBot: /join 0 |
| 16:48 |
Exio4 |
it will join the 0 channel, => single channel for all the stuff |
| 16:49 |
MasterBot |
Cool.. |
| 16:49 |
Exio4 |
did you try it? |
| 16:49 |
Exio4 |
/quote join 0 |
| 16:49 |
Exio4 |
should work too |
| 16:49 |
Zeg9 |
sokomine: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/840 ? |
| 16:51 |
sokomine |
ah, looks similar, although those lights/streaks seem to converge on the crosshair in the center of the screen in my case |
| 16:53 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam, Calinou: fixed the apple redef in moretrees. |
| 16:53 |
VanessaE |
hi all. |
| 16:53 |
PilzAdam |
hi Vennessa |
| 16:54 |
VanessaE |
:P |
| 16:55 |
PilzAdam |
oh, sry its Vennassa |
| 16:55 |
Exio4 |
how do you reproduce it Zeg9? |
| 16:55 |
Exio4 |
what configs? |
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Jordach |
Uberi, you shouldn't be here at this time |
| 16:56 |
Uberi |
it's a sunday! |
| 16:56 |
Uberi |
also I just tested the voxelmanip version of WorldEdit, and I wanted to say that it makes the old version feel like a rust bucket |
| 16:57 |
Jordach |
\o/ |
| 16:57 |
Uberi |
too bad only //set works at the moment :P |
| 16:57 |
Jordach |
PilzAdam, you wanted me to render this right: http://mg.viewskew.com/u/starblessed/m/minecraft-test/ |
| 16:58 |
PilzAdam |
yes |
| 16:58 |
Jordach |
almost done :) |
| 16:58 |
PilzAdam |
nice |
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sokomine |
uberi: yes, the voxelmanip is great! |
| 17:01 |
sokomine |
do you have any secret hints as to how to convince hmmm to add something else to the schematic part? :-) |
| 17:01 |
Uberi |
throw money at him |
| 17:01 |
Uberi |
that always works for me |
| 17:01 |
sokomine |
i'd really like that to accept a list of replacement nodes (replacements for the names in the schematic file), but he doesn't seem to be intrested and claims nobody else wants that :-( |
| 17:01 |
sokomine |
hm. difficult :-( will he accept mese? :-) |
| 17:02 |
Uberi |
what's the MESE -> USD rate these days? |
| 17:02 |
Uberi |
what's a replacement? |
| 17:02 |
nalkri |
Someone tell me that implimenting a hydrological cycle is insane |
| 17:02 |
PilzAdam |
over 9000 |
| 17:02 |
PilzAdam |
nalkri, implementing a hydrologival cycle is insane |
| 17:02 |
nalkri |
PilzAdam: thanks |
| 17:02 |
PilzAdam |
-v+c |
| 17:02 |
nalkri |
If you hadn't I might have done it |
| 17:03 |
sokomine |
glad that could be avoided :-) would have only caused you a lot of work without really gaining much |
| 17:03 |
nalkri |
Would have murdered any server it ran on |
| 17:03 |
sokomine |
uberi: good question. perhaps stonesquares are the most valuable. they're very popular with griefers |
| 17:03 |
Uberi |
sokomine: I mean, what is the feature you are requesting, specifically? |
| 17:04 |
PilzAdam |
sokomine, hmmmm already said that he wants to do it |
| 17:04 |
PilzAdam |
what you want now is that he does it faster, which may result in that he makes it slower |
| 17:05 |
sokomine |
uberi: i want to change materials. whereever it says "default:brick" in the schematic, i want it to use i.e. default:clay. that could be done pretty easy because afaik the schematics-format stores a list of node names in its file and uses their indices later on (hmmm described it similar to a simplified mapchunk as stored in the database) |
| 17:05 |
sokomine |
ohhhh! thanks! |
| 17:05 |
sokomine |
that's very fine :-) |
| 17:05 |
* sokomine |
hops around happily |
| 17:05 |
sokomine |
no, i just didn't get that he said he wants to do it |
| 17:05 |
Uberi |
if you write an mts file parser, you can probably do replacements purely through lua |
| 17:06 |
Exio4 |
the idea is avoid 'that' too |
| 17:06 |
sokomine |
last time i read something from him he was very reluctant |
| 17:06 |
Exio4 |
like "schematic-scope" aliases |
| 17:06 |
Exio4 |
i wonder how you reproduce those liquid glitches |
| 17:06 |
Exio4 |
Zeg9 / sokomine |
| 17:06 |
BlockMen |
bye everyone |
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sokomine |
uberi: yes, that would be possible, but going through disk-i/o for that seems a bit..insane (reading file, changing value, storing file, function would read it again...) |
| 17:07 |
sokomine |
exio: i just compiled the newest version some hours ago, logged into a server and got puzzled |
| 17:07 |
Exio4 |
hm |
| 17:07 |
PilzAdam |
Exio4, Zeg9, maybe I have done something insane here? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/413f0d0353d49d7baed32540d73cbec99e35658a#L1L429 |
| 17:07 |
Uberi |
sokomine: no no, I mean read it into a table and use place_schematic |
| 17:07 |
sokomine |
it does not happen at every angle. and it's always pointing to the crosshair in the middle |
| 17:08 |
Zeg9 |
PilzAdam: checking out to the previous commit seems to fix it |
| 17:08 |
Zeg9 |
I don't know if it was introduced by this commit, or later ones |
| 17:08 |
Exio4 |
VanessaE: i hate moretrees |
| 17:08 |
Jordach |
Exio4, doesnt everybody? |
| 17:08 |
VanessaE |
why? |
| 17:09 |
* PilzAdam |
too |
| 17:09 |
VanessaE |
:( |
| 17:09 |
sokomine |
uberi: hmmm. but then some of the benefits of place_schematic would get lost? that it is such a compact format is a plus. expanding the table to the {name=bla, param1=blub, param2=x} format would most likely also consume more memory |
| 17:09 |
Exio4 |
those amazingly-cute trees makes my FPS drop from 170 to 15 :( |
| 17:09 |
* Exio4 |
should disable fancy trees |
| 17:09 |
* sokomine |
loves the moretrees! |
| 17:09 |
VanessaE |
not my fault :P |
| 17:09 |
Exio4 |
they look pretty nice |
| 17:09 |
Exio4 |
i was being ironic, they look pretty nice |
| 17:09 |
sokomine |
they're great and make the world much nicer. i always enjoy seeing one of those big trees somewhere |
| 17:09 |
VanessaE |
blame the folks who work on irrlicht and the rendering engine :-) |
| 17:10 |
Uberi |
sokomine: yeah, it is a bit more mem intensive |
| 17:10 |
Uberi |
but for most purposes it should be perfectly fine |
| 17:10 |
Uberi |
I was using it for WE with a 1.2 million node area, barely noticable |
| 17:10 |
sokomine |
uberi: that schematic format is a very nice, very compact, very close to the one used by the map itshelf. that's why i'd like to use it more :) |
| 17:11 |
Uberi |
yep |
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sokomine |
i still had issues with importing a 1024x256x1024 map, but that was an out of memory issue, and there seems to be a better solution for importing minecraft classic maps now |
| 17:14 |
Uberi |
268435456 nodes O_o |
| 17:14 |
sokomine |
restore it at night :) |
| 17:15 |
Exio4 |
sokomine: how many ram do you have? |
| 17:15 |
sokomine |
slightly more than mathematics would tell because it may not be aligned to what the map internally uses |
| 17:15 |
sokomine |
8gb |
| 17:16 |
Exio4 |
tell VanessaE to convert it :P |
| 17:16 |
sokomine |
this is a new machine. the old one had only 4. i'm glad i took the cheap celeron - its integrated graphics are very fine for minetest and much faster than what i had before |
| 17:16 |
sokomine |
:-) |
| 17:16 |
Exio4 |
sokomine: cheap celeron? |
| 17:16 |
Exio4 |
did you have the mobo? |
| 17:17 |
Exio4 |
or got it for "nearly nothing"? |
| 17:17 |
sokomine |
i was told that hmmm wrote a converter that works offline and puts the result directly into the database. that seems like a better approach. i just couldn't get it to run yet :-( |
| 17:17 |
Exio4 |
(read this as: how much did the "upgrade" cost for you) |
| 17:17 |
Exio4 |
what converter? |
| 17:17 |
nalkri |
I did a quick search but can't find it, can we modify the rate of sun movement? |
| 17:17 |
Uberi |
that sounds really useful, now that I think of it |
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Exio4 |
nalkri: time_speed? |
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| 17:18 |
nalkri |
Exio4: well, I wanted to do seasons |
| 17:18 |
sokomine |
no, bought everything new. but the board was relatively cheap as well (only slightly more than the processor). found out i needed a new psu as well because the old one was still needed and all other ones did not have the connectors for...er...what boards currently have |
| 17:18 |
nalkri |
So it needs to go sometimes faster during the day and sometimes faster at night |
| 17:19 |
Exio4 |
nalkri: ah |
| 17:19 |
Exio4 |
ask proller |
| 17:19 |
nalkri |
Exio4: for seasons :D |
| 17:19 |
sokomine |
nalkri: are you familiar with the 4seasons mod? |
| 17:19 |
nalkri |
I'd also like a sun and moon that aren't in a Kepler |
| 17:19 |
nalkri |
sokomine: no, I'll search that now |
| 17:19 |
sokomine |
it's a mod that changes dirt with grass and leave nodes depending on season. autum and winter look nicest |
| 17:20 |
nalkri |
Day length is key for me though |
| 17:20 |
VanessaE |
nalkri: RealBadAngel is working on that already I think |
| 17:21 |
nalkri |
Great community here :) |
| 17:21 |
nalkri |
Helpful and when I'm stupid you tell me so politely |
| 17:21 |
Exio4 |
normally the people says we are all assholes and butthurts and should die in the hell but whatever :D |
| 17:21 |
VanessaE |
all it really requires is to gradually vary the angle of the ecliptic e.g. at 90 degrees to the horizon, its summer, maybe at 45 degrees its winter or something |
| 17:21 |
PilzAdam |
nalkri, havent met me yet? |
| 17:22 |
nalkri |
PilzAdam: you've been nice to me so far |
| 17:22 |
VanessaE |
(and of course it requires making the day/night transition follow the sun's distance to the horizon) |
| 17:22 |
PilzAdam |
then try to pull request something into minetest_game :-p |
| 17:22 |
nalkri |
Doing it with ecliptic would be optimal |
| 17:22 |
sokomine |
yes, the irc channel is kind of..problematic. it's usual that there are ragequits after chats on irc :-( |
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| 17:22 |
nalkri |
Better? |
| 17:22 |
Exio4 |
haha |
| 17:24 |
nalkri |
I wish my brain didn't keep mentioning tides to me in relation to this game |
| 17:27 |
* Jordach |
is considering making a minetest movie in blender |
| 17:27 |
PilzAdam |
Jordach, "this is minetest!"? |
| 17:27 |
Jordach |
PilzAdam, I've learned a great deal more about blender, might try that |
| 17:29 |
Jordach |
instead of a stupidly high render quality, like most minecraft movies, i'll try to stick to the game level graphics |
| 17:29 |
Exio4 |
how would you render it |
| 17:30 |
Exio4 |
isn't your computer pretty sucky? |
| 17:30 |
Jordach |
Exio4, CTRL + F12 |
| 17:30 |
Jordach |
Exio4, it can handle punishment |
| 17:30 |
Jordach |
i've been to 200000 verts+ |
| 17:31 |
* Jordach |
suggests making a time lapse of making a minetest blender render |
| 17:31 |
Exio4 |
Jordach: i mean, you can render it in a phone too, it would be painfully slow tho |
| 17:32 |
sokomine |
i've tried out minecraft on a mobile phone recently. it...did work. but that was about it. i wouldn't really want to build anything with such aninterface.... |
| 17:32 |
Exio4 |
my phone can't handle it |
| 17:33 |
nalkri |
Minecraft PE isn't terrible |
| 17:33 |
nalkri |
But I can't run it on my current phone |
| 17:33 |
Jordach |
it isn't that bad |
| 17:33 |
Jordach |
i can play it on a 7'' tablet |
| 17:33 |
Jordach |
but i always die :P |
| 17:33 |
nalkri |
it was just about playable on a 4" |
| 17:33 |
nalkri |
But my current phone is 2.7" |
| 17:42 |
Jordach |
PilzAdam, http://i.imgur.com/ceDSdlQ.png |
| 17:47 |
Jordach |
PilzAdam, http://i.imgur.com/PHUPvVa.png |
| 17:48 |
nalkri |
Obsidian is renewable with Nether mod :D |
| 17:50 |
Uberi |
btw, vmanip data table seems to have undefined behavior when a key is nil |
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Jordach |
JESUS CHRIST |
| 17:52 |
Jordach |
i found the source image to the Minecraft Test image |
| 17:52 |
Jordach |
\o/ |
| 17:52 |
Jordach |
http://onlyhdwallpapers.com/wallpaper/sunset_clouds_landscapes_nature_grass_fields_sunlight_digital_desktop_2560x1600_hd-wallpaper-1007538.jpg vs http://mg.viewskew.com/u/starblessed/m/minecraft-test/ |
| 17:53 |
VanessaE |
none of the images in the first link resemble the second |
| 17:53 |
Jordach |
ignore steve |
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| 17:53 |
Jordach |
the background is slightly colourised |
| 17:53 |
DanDuncombe |
Why is this? forum.minetest.net uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate is only valid for the following names: users.minetest.ru , minetest.ru (Error code: ssl_error_bad_cert_domain) |
| 17:53 |
VanessaE |
the site ignored your attempt to direct-link to the image file. |
| 17:53 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, well fuck |
| 17:53 |
Jordach |
Vadtec, http://onlyhdwallpapers.com/nature/sunset-clouds-landscapes-nature-grass-fields-sunlight-digital-desktop-hd-wallpaper-1007538/ |
| 17:53 |
Jordach |
better, had to backpedal |
| 17:54 |
VanessaE |
indeed so |
| 17:54 |
VanessaE |
an exact match |
| 17:54 |
PilzAdam |
Jordach, we are getting somewhere :-) |
| 17:54 |
Jordach |
what are the chances |
| 17:57 |
DanDuncombe |
Has someone done something to the forum because I was on it 5 minutes ago? |
| 17:58 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: my husband and I have many beautiful High quality images on wikipedia/wikimedia if you need something comparable to that |
| 17:58 |
VanessaE |
(and they're all cc-by-sa) |
| 17:58 |
PilzAdam |
DanDuncombe, why do you connect to it with https? |
| 17:58 |
DanDuncombe |
Do I |
| 17:58 |
DanDuncombe |
How can I not do that? |
| 17:59 |
PilzAdam |
connect via normal http |
| 17:59 |
DanDuncombe |
how? |
| 18:00 |
PilzAdam |
just remove the s |
| 18:00 |
DanDuncombe |
I did and I got the same message and the thing at the top had switched back to https |
| 18:01 |
Uberi |
do I need to do anything with the voxmanip to free the emerged blocks? |
| 18:01 |
PilzAdam |
Uberi, no, just write_to_map() |
| 18:01 |
Uberi |
in other words, do the emerged blocks stay stuck as emerged and need to be unloaded manually? |
| 18:01 |
Uberi |
PilzAdam: what if I'm just doing reading? |
| 18:02 |
PilzAdam |
then just do nothing |
| 18:02 |
Uberi |
ah thanks |
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pehjota |
DanDuncombe: The cert I get has a subject CN of "forum.minetest.net" and is valid beginning on 2013-07-20 00:24:42 UTC. Maybe you got an older cert? |
| 18:17 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, take a look |
| 18:18 |
VanessaE |
at? |
| 18:19 |
Jordach |
your images |
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* Jordach |
is back from the thing that cleans |
| 18:19 |
VanessaE |
oh, I figured you'd just search wikimedia commons. look for "Abe Ezekowitz" and also me. |
| 18:21 |
PilzAdam |
hmm.. there are no results when searching for "Vennassa" |
| 18:22 |
PilzAdam |
(and no, I wont stop this anytime soon :-p) |
| 18:23 |
* Jordach |
considers slapping PilzAdam with 6.72mm rounds |
| 18:23 |
Jordach |
s/slapping/peppering |
| 18:23 |
Jordach |
pew pew pew |
| 18:26 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: pet peeve of mine. my name is fucking spelled out right here in IRC and everywhere else it appears. If someone can't even get *that* right, they need to go back to school and learn to read :P |
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PilzAdam |
I suggest you to add an extra highlight for Vennassa or you wont get any messages from me anymore :-p |
| 18:27 |
* Jordach |
considers hunting PilzAdam down |
| 18:28 |
VanessaE |
in that case I will simply ignore said messages :P |
| 18:29 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, http://imgur.com/gallery/KUiTpJf |
| 18:29 |
Jordach |
!title |
| 18:29 |
MinetestBot |
Jordach: There are miracles happening at Walmart! - Imgur |
| 18:30 |
Jordach |
in other news: http://i.imgur.com/d9IWLzs.jpg <- PilzAdam |
| 18:30 |
Calinou |
+1 for GIMP |
| 18:30 |
Jordach |
2.6.12 to be exact |
| 18:30 |
Jordach |
i hate the export feature |
| 18:31 |
PilzAdam |
it requires a lot more works |
| 18:31 |
PilzAdam |
-s |
| 18:32 |
Calinou |
pressing E instead of S |
| 18:33 |
PilzAdam |
Calinou, and 3 more clicks when closing GIMP because you havent saved yet |
| 18:34 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: or just ctrl-Q, click once to close all |
| 18:34 |
Calinou |
yep |
| 18:34 |
VanessaE |
(or shift-ctrl-W to close all without quitting) |
| 18:34 |
VanessaE |
hardly more clicks/keystrokes, but their decision to split save vs. export was just stupid |
| 18:35 |
Calinou |
the GNU weight® |
| 18:35 |
VanessaE |
(that and export-overwriting an image on the first save should not ask you a ton of questions) |
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Jordach |
lol, netsplit |
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Jordach |
PilzAdam, http://i.imgur.com/McBvBQz.jpg |
| 18:47 |
Jordach |
still not perfect |
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Jordach |
ooh shit |
| 18:51 |
Jordach |
system froze D: |
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| 18:51 |
Jordach |
john_minetest, i've had a portal 2 chell for a VERY LONG TIME |
| 18:51 |
Megaf_ |
where can I get this mod folks? http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Mods/More_Blocks |
| 18:51 |
Jordach |
https://github.com/calinou/calinou_mods |
| 18:52 |
Jordach |
!title |
| 18:52 |
MinetestBot |
Jordach: Calinou/calinou_mods · GitHub |
| 18:52 |
Jordach |
Megaf_, that link |
| 18:52 |
Jordach |
john_minetest, http://i.imgur.com/SfblUEx.png |
| 18:52 |
Jordach |
look at the skin list |
| 18:53 |
Jordach |
john_minetest, http://i.imgur.com/tXIEfuL.png |
| 18:56 |
Jordach |
john_minetest, you're adopted |
| 18:56 |
Jordach |
s/john_minetest/PilzAdam/ |
| 19:00 |
Jordach |
Oh I like this guy. |
| 19:01 |
Jordach |
and caught off guard by my rotating wallpaper |
| 19:01 |
Jordach |
got a screamer type image |
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hoodedice |
Hello |
| 19:04 |
Calinou |
##uno |
| 19:04 |
Jordach |
john_minetest, artillery + combustible lemons |
| 19:04 |
Calinou |
anyone wants to play uno? :p |
| 19:04 |
hoodedice |
Question1. What makes 3d objects buggy |
| 19:04 |
hoodedice |
? |
| 19:04 |
Calinou |
buggy? |
| 19:04 |
hoodedice |
laggy |
| 19:05 |
hoodedice |
as in the carts mod |
| 19:05 |
hoodedice |
or the helicopter, or the airship mod |
| 19:05 |
Calinou |
ask the way minetest is networked |
| 19:05 |
hoodedice |
And yes, I am talking about minetest here |
| 19:05 |
Calinou |
this is a problem that always happens |
| 19:05 |
hoodedice |
networked. As in? |
| 19:05 |
Calinou |
insane lag when a server is started for a while |
| 19:05 |
hoodedice |
Lag between the server and client? |
| 19:06 |
Calinou |
well, the devs decided to write their own UDP network stack |
| 19:06 |
Calinou |
yes |
| 19:06 |
hoodedice |
I'm talking about singlelayer. Theoretically, there should be no lag |
| 19:06 |
Jordach |
Calinou, there should be blackjack and texas hold'em |
| 19:06 |
Calinou |
hoodedice, try typing a dummy command such as /l |
| 19:06 |
Calinou |
and notice the delay between you type it and you get "invalid command" |
| 19:07 |
hoodedice |
In IRC? |
| 19:07 |
Calinou |
no in-game |
| 19:07 |
hoodedice |
I'm not getting any sort of 'invalid command' |
| 19:08 |
hoodedice |
hmm. wait a bit |
| 19:08 |
Calinou |
hoodedice, then you are lagging |
| 19:09 |
hoodedice |
Instant. |
| 19:09 |
hoodedice |
with no mods. |
| 19:12 |
hoodedice |
Hmm, that's weird |
| 19:13 |
hoodedice |
So, you are basically saying that to implement PIlzAdam's carts roperly, one much have a powerful PC? |
| 19:13 |
Yepoleb |
VanessaE: Have you been working on the fluid storage tanks? |
| 19:14 |
VanessaE |
no |
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hoodedice |
Hey Calinou, I tried it out, and I get no lag |
| 19:15 |
Calinou_ |
hoodedice, try carts at the same moment |
| 19:15 |
Calinou_ |
and see if the game starts lagging |
| 19:16 |
hoodedice |
I was at 5 FPS. Will try with carts... |
| 19:17 |
Calinou |
FPS? then it isn't lag |
| 19:18 |
hoodedice |
FPS has no relation with 3D lag? weird. |
| 19:18 |
hoodedice |
@john I did that |
| 19:18 |
Calinou |
"3D lag" no. |
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Calinou |
also get better hardware |
| 19:18 |
hoodedice |
Dude, @John I know that |
| 19:19 |
hoodedice |
C2D 'is recommended' |
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hoodedice |
Full view? |
| 19:20 |
Calinou |
make sure full view range is off, yeah |
| 19:20 |
Calinou |
hoodedice, talking about your graphics card |
| 19:20 |
hoodedice |
Peeps. It could be that I am running PilzAdam's build |
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hoodedice |
I dont know |
| 19:20 |
Calinou |
you can have a 3970X and use llvmpipe, which gives you 20 FPS |
| 19:21 |
Calinou |
disable shaders if you have a slow/old graphics card |
| 19:21 |
hoodedice |
I have an Intel GPU |
| 19:21 |
hoodedice |
See, Its not about me |
| 19:21 |
hoodedice |
eole complain that 3D mods lag in general |
| 19:21 |
hoodedice |
*people |
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Calinou |
lag != low fps |
| 19:21 |
Calinou |
john_minetest, the recent ones are decent |
| 19:21 |
hoodedice |
I dont care about lag on my end |
| 19:21 |
Calinou |
but the ones before the sandy bridge gen are pathetic |
| 19:22 |
Calinou |
and you are using one of these |
| 19:22 |
hoodedice |
That's what everyone says |
| 19:22 |
Calinou |
hoodedice, if the entities weren't 3D, it would lag too |
| 19:22 |
Calinou |
this isn't reddit, there is no karma system |
| 19:22 |
hoodedice |
Now, what I really wanted to ask is: |
| 19:22 |
Calinou |
no need to confirm fake claims |
| 19:22 |
Calinou |
:) |
| 19:22 |
Calinou |
john_minetest, intel started supporting hardware T&L in 2006 only :P |
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Yepoleb |
VanessaE: Are the tanks difficult to implement? |
| 19:23 |
hoodedice |
I thought that 3D mods were lagging because they were not 'properly imlemented' |
| 19:23 |
VanessaE |
Yepoleb: not really, I just haven't felt much like coding lately |
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hoodedice |
What is preventing them from being 'properly implemented'? |
| 19:25 |
hoodedice |
Like for shaders, we have the irrlicht alpha crap |
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Calinou |
hoodedice, irrlicht alpha crap? |
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hoodedice |
Yeah, like on one of these forum posts |
| 19:27 |
hoodedice |
Someone said that shaders are not easily to implement because irrlicht has some problem with alpha blending or something |
| 19:27 |
Calinou |
shaders are already implemented, and they work |
| 19:27 |
Calinou |
use a proper graphics card that supports them :P |
| 19:28 |
DanDuncombe |
I can't work out what they actually do |
| 19:28 |
Yepoleb |
would it be possible to port the minecraft shader packs to minetest? |
| 19:28 |
Calinou |
Yepoleb, not at all |
| 19:28 |
hoodedice |
Yes, they do, and under my GPU, they work |
| 19:28 |
Calinou |
you would have to rewrite them entirely and hope it's possible |
| 19:28 |
DanDuncombe |
I see no visual difference between shaders on and shaders off. |
| 19:28 |
Calinou |
DanDuncombe, then your card doesn't support them |
| 19:28 |
Calinou |
shaders make top faces of blocks brighter, which looks much better, and smoothens day-night transitions. |
| 19:29 |
Yepoleb |
Aren't they GLSL shaders? |
| 19:29 |
hoodedice |
It does that to me, but I turn it off because it looks ugly |
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DanDuncombe |
Well, in Ubuntu I get extreme lag but no visual difference, in Windows I have the red colour bug. |
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Calinou |
they are, but you can't port them as-is |
| 19:30 |
Calinou |
ugly? you have a weird definition of ugly, IMO :P |
| 19:30 |
Calinou |
it looks way better |
| 19:32 |
Yepoleb |
would it be more work to port or rewrite them? |
| 19:32 |
DanDuncombe |
Apparently I have visited the Minetest Forums 7,315 times |
| 19:33 |
Calinou |
Yepoleb, a ton of work, if it's even possible |
| 19:33 |
Calinou |
DanDuncombe, how do you know |
| 19:33 |
Calinou |
DanDuncombe, red colour bug = you're using Direct3D |
| 19:33 |
Calinou |
shaders only work with OpenGL |
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Yepoleb |
why shouldn't it be possible? |
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hoodedice |
Clainou? |
| 19:36 |
hoodedice |
*Calinou? |
| 19:37 |
Calinou |
stained Clainou |
| 19:37 |
Calinou |
:> |
| 19:37 |
hoodedice |
Hmm, yeah |
| 19:37 |
hoodedice |
So what prevents 3D mods to be 'implemented properly'? |
| 19:37 |
hoodedice |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6648 |
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Jordach |
Stained Clay is a ripoff of unified bricks |
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hoodedice |
... |
| 19:45 |
hoodedice |
Okay, we'll skip to Question2. |
| 19:46 |
hoodedice |
Would minetest run any faster/be any lighter, if it had its own game engine instead of irrlicht? |
| 19:46 |
Jordach |
minetest IS A GAME ENGINE |
| 19:47 |
Jordach |
and it's as light as possible afaik |
| 19:47 |
Calinou |
it wouldn't, hoodedice, irrlicht is pretty efficient and fast already |
| 19:48 |
Calinou |
you're using 6 year old hardware that never was targeted at gaming, remember |
| 19:48 |
Calinou |
oh also, if you're using windows vista or 7, disable "aero" |
| 19:48 |
Calinou |
this will give you better FPS |
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Jordach |
60fps with aero |
| 19:49 |
Calinou |
it still reduces your FPS like any kind of desktop effects |
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Jordach |
prepare yourselves, netsplits are coming |
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Calinou |
VanessaE, you ninja'd me on the protection problem topic :P |
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VanessaE |
heg |
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VanessaE |
heh |
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sfan5| |
hi |
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Calinou |
hi |
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Megaf |
folks, any idea of what the minimum hardware requirements would be to host 15 players? |
| 20:05 |
McBrutal |
hello |
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VanessaE |
Megaf: a supercomputer :P |
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Calinou |
you would need ~200 KB/s of upload + download bandwidth, a decent dual core CPU, 2GB of RAM |
| 20:06 |
Calinou |
should do |
| 20:06 |
VanessaE |
(really though, don't even consider running anything remotely heavy on commodity hardware - keep it light and pretty much anything recent will do) |
| 20:06 |
Calinou |
I said kilobytes, not bits, remember |
| 20:06 |
McBrutal |
I'm looking for help to install no-ip on linux to run a private minetest server. |
| 20:07 |
Calinou |
you don't need to install it, McBrutal |
| 20:07 |
McBrutal |
ubuntu |
| 20:07 |
Calinou |
personally I would rather advise freedns.afraid.org |
| 20:07 |
Calinou |
you can create shorter domains, and they don't expire |
| 20:07 |
VanessaE |
freedns.afraid.org \o/ |
| 20:07 |
McBrutal |
nice |
| 20:07 |
Yepoleb |
^ |
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Megaf |
sou a quadcore Xeon with 10mbps would do |
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VanessaE |
Megaf: plenty |
| 20:08 |
Calinou |
you can make a 10 letter subdomain fairly easily |
| 20:08 |
Calinou |
Megaf, 10 actual mbps? |
| 20:08 |
Calinou |
try with speedtest or something like that |
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VanessaE |
Megaf: just don't run anything too heavy unless you're prepared to deal with mapgen lag and the like |
| 20:08 |
Megaf |
Calinou, yep |
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sfan5| |
or try duckdns.org |
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McBrutal |
anyone else having trouble getting the classes mod to work? |
| 20:08 |
McBrutal |
im hoping to make a sort of rpg pvp server |
| 20:09 |
McBrutal |
the skins mod seems to be buggy too |
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nalkri |
Skins mod works badly with 3d armour I think |
| 20:10 |
McBrutal |
I would just like it to work or classes |
| 20:11 |
McBrutal |
classes because of different attributes but skins allow the girls in my guild to be themselves |
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Yepoleb |
how can i list all possible config values? |
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sfan5| |
see defaultsettings.cpp |
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McBrutal |
has anyone had success making a rpg pvp server? If I can build something of sorts like that, I think my group would be pretty happy playing |
| 20:17 |
Megaf |
this duckdns doesnt work |
| 20:17 |
Megaf |
I cant even login to their web page |
| 20:19 |
thexyz |
use freedns |
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thexyz |
http://freedns.afraid.org/ |
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McBrutal |
which domain type do I want? |
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McBrutal |
im there now signing up |
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Megaf |
im already a no-ip user... however, Id like to test some other options |
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hoodedice |
He;;o |
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hoodedice |
Hello |
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hoodedice |
Calinou? |
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jin_xi |
shit, so i'm playing nethack and find a wand of wishing on turn 63 |
| 20:30 |
Calinou |
hoodedice, ? |
| 20:30 |
hoodedice |
So yeah lets continue |
| 20:30 |
hoodedice |
So I dont care about lag and stuff |
| 20:30 |
hoodedice |
on my end |
| 20:31 |
hoodedice |
Your last messages indicate that the sole reason for lag is poor hardware. Done. |
| 20:31 |
hoodedice |
And that irrlicht is awesome as it is. |
| 20:31 |
Calinou |
there is lag and low FPS |
| 20:31 |
Calinou |
lag is when you do something, there's a delay between doing something and something actually accounting it |
| 20:31 |
hoodedice |
Lag = Latency between what should be processed at said time, and actual time of processing it. |
| 20:31 |
Calinou |
low FPS is when your hardware can't keep up, or (rarely) there's a problem in the way a game draws stuff |
| 20:32 |
hoodedice |
Low FPS = latency in seeing stuff and when you should actually be seeing it, right? |
| 20:32 |
hoodedice |
wow. Didnt see you typing :P |
| 20:32 |
hoodedice |
Ok, we got that clear. |
| 20:33 |
hoodedice |
So the only way to reduce said processing lag is to get a faster CPU. |
| 20:33 |
Calinou |
you said there wasn't processing lag, and in this case, your CPU isn't the limiting factor |
| 20:33 |
hoodedice |
Faster than an i3 because my brother has one and it still lags #joke |
| 20:33 |
Calinou |
it's the GPU and you have a very weak one |
| 20:33 |
hoodedice |
hmm |
| 20:33 |
Calinou |
no need to be offensive :P |
| 20:33 |
hoodedice |
Yes. |
| 20:34 |
hoodedice |
You are not being offensive |
| 20:34 |
hoodedice |
And I'm not one to be offended. |
| 20:34 |
hoodedice |
(Like the other Satr Blessed something guy :P) |
| 20:34 |
hoodedice |
Star |
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Calinou |
intel started making semi-decent IGPs since sandy bridge, the ones they made before really sucked |
| 20:35 |
hoodedice |
Well my brother has an i3, and my dad has an i3. |
| 20:35 |
Calinou |
they've been improving quite a lot now |
| 20:35 |
hoodedice |
We played minetest on both of them |
| 20:35 |
Calinou |
which i3 exactly? do they use an IGP, or a dedicated card? |
| 20:35 |
Calinou |
some i3s use slower IGPs than others |
| 20:35 |
sapier1 |
i3 is quite a slow cpu especialy if you don't have a dedicated graphics card |
| 20:35 |
Calinou |
eg. 3220 has an HD2500, the 3225 has a way faster HD4000 |
| 20:35 |
hoodedice |
And the difference is like between a P4 and a supercomputer |
| 20:35 |
Calinou |
sapier1, wrong |
| 20:35 |
Calinou |
i3 is a very fast dual core |
| 20:36 |
hoodedice |
Quad core. |
| 20:36 |
sapier1 |
no it isn't |
| 20:36 |
Calinou |
no, dual core + HT |
| 20:36 |
Calinou |
sapier1, of course if you compare it to quad cores, it will suck |
| 20:36 |
hoodedice |
The problem with my bro is the motherboard, methinks |
| 20:36 |
Calinou |
but it's a very efficient dual core |
| 20:36 |
hoodedice |
ASRock. |
| 20:36 |
Calinou |
what does a motherboard have to do with performance? |
| 20:36 |
hoodedice |
I/O |
| 20:36 |
sapier1 |
I compare it to other cpu's of same generation and i3 is low end it's age |
| 20:36 |
hoodedice |
I used to have a P4 |
| 20:37 |
hoodedice |
The old gigabyte mboard busted |
| 20:37 |
hoodedice |
So I shifted it to some Korean Pile of junk |
| 20:37 |
sapier1 |
ok comparing tp a p4 i3 is a gigantic fast cpu :-) |
| 20:37 |
Calinou |
I/O? even on a 50 euro mobo you won't be limited by that... |
| 20:37 |
Calinou |
sapier1, i3 is actually mid end |
| 20:37 |
hoodedice |
And it was bottled like crap |
| 20:37 |
Calinou |
celerons and pentiums being low end, i5 and i7s being high end |
| 20:38 |
hoodedice |
Okay, whatever. |
| 20:38 |
hoodedice |
Lets just end this. |
| 20:38 |
hoodedice |
Is there any way to improve 3D in minetest? |
| 20:39 |
sapier1 |
of you think so calinou ... to me celerons and pentiums are "generate money from waste" products :-) |
| 20:39 |
hoodedice |
Celerons and Pentiums |
| 20:39 |
hoodedice |
Intall Xubuntu on them |
| 20:39 |
Calinou |
no? |
| 20:39 |
hoodedice |
They'll match with C2Ds in performance |
| 20:39 |
Calinou |
you can use xubuntu on a PC that has an i7 too |
| 20:39 |
hoodedice |
Yes. |
| 20:39 |
Calinou |
a celeron G1610 is as good as a C2D E8400 |
| 20:40 |
Calinou |
but it has way lower power usage, but cannot be overclocke |
| 20:40 |
Calinou |
+d |
| 20:40 |
Calinou |
sapier1, you clearly never used a recent celeron |
| 20:40 |
sapier1 |
I said same generation :-) |
| 20:40 |
hoodedice |
And I was surprised when this 1.6 GHz dual core celeron ran NFS MW at high graphics. |
| 20:40 |
Calinou |
they intentionally give it a bad name so that few people buy it :P |
| 20:40 |
Calinou |
the CPU does most of the job, remember |
| 20:40 |
Calinou |
GPU* |
| 20:41 |
sapier1 |
no I don't have any use for intel value devices as intel keeps disabling important features for those |
| 20:42 |
sapier1 |
all desktop cpu currently sold have more than enough power for almost everything ... but e.g. virtualization features aren't present on intel low end cpus |
| 20:43 |
sapier1 |
amd's cpu power is out of comparison true ... but even cheapest amd supports full feature set |
| 20:43 |
Calinou |
blame intel's segmentation then |
| 20:43 |
hoodedice |
okay last question. |
| 20:43 |
Calinou |
AMD provides good multithread performance, sapier1, but there are still way too many lazy programmers around |
| 20:44 |
hoodedice |
I want to help dev minetest engine |
| 20:44 |
sapier1 |
yea hav a look at minetest :) |
| 20:44 |
hoodedice |
But I have absolutely NO programming background |
| 20:44 |
Calinou |
then you can't |
| 20:44 |
hoodedice |
Where do I start? |
| 20:44 |
Calinou |
you need to code for 10 years to be good |
| 20:44 |
Megaf |
Calinou, VanessaE, so, 110 KB/s of UP, 1200 KB/s Down, 280 MB of ram and Pentium II will not do a good server |
| 20:44 |
nalkri |
s/10/100/ |
| 20:44 |
hoodedice |
10 years? |
| 20:44 |
Calinou |
instead, you can translate to your language, or find and report bugs |
| 20:45 |
VanessaE |
Megaf: not really, no |
| 20:45 |
Calinou |
Megaf, kilobytes? that's a bit low |
| 20:45 |
sapier1 |
at least hoodedice |
| 20:45 |
Calinou |
erm |
| 20:45 |
Calinou |
pentium II? |
| 20:45 |
hoodedice |
Can't see any indians around |
| 20:45 |
VanessaE |
not if you want lots of capabilities on your server. |
| 20:45 |
sapier1 |
you can do small things that need to be done too of course |
| 20:45 |
hoodedice |
Nor that I like my lingo anyway |
| 20:45 |
Megaf |
I just want a vanilla server, no mods |
| 20:45 |
Megaf |
and up to 10 players |
| 20:45 |
VanessaE |
Megaf: that's probably *just* enough for vanilla |
| 20:45 |
Megaf |
its a deticated server |
| 20:45 |
VanessaE |
you may wanna put a bit more RAM in if yo ucan |
| 20:45 |
Megaf |
I just want to give that old sucked an use |
| 20:46 |
hoodedice |
Switch to some debian based Linux. |
| 20:46 |
hoodedice |
@Megaf |
| 20:46 |
Calinou |
lubuntu is very lightweight |
| 20:46 |
Calinou |
but it won't do much anyway |
| 20:46 |
Megaf |
hoodedice, it is running Debian already, with no X11 |
| 20:46 |
Menche |
i use vanilla debian 7.0 on mine |
| 20:46 |
Menche |
no X |
| 20:46 |
sapier1 |
I guess ubuntu is slowly dieing atm |
| 20:46 |
Calinou |
it isn't, sapier1 |
| 20:46 |
Menche |
yay |
| 20:46 |
hoodedice |
Ubuntu may be |
| 20:46 |
Calinou |
it has less market share than before. but it still has a lot |
| 20:47 |
hoodedice |
But not its offsprings |
| 20:47 |
Calinou |
and you are free to use ubuntu derivatives |
| 20:47 |
hoodedice |
And I dont think many end users (who aint devs) would switch over some Amazon thingy or Mir or whatever |
| 20:47 |
sapier1 |
maybe calinou but I don't think it's been wise to get almost any major project in open source world as enemy |
| 20:48 |
Calinou |
there is no better compromise than *buntus currently, imo |
| 20:49 |
sapier1 |
I've switched to debian I couldn't use any of ubuntus special features ... they've been absolutely useless since they made unity to default desktop |
| 20:49 |
Calinou |
debian does not care about recent software, or graphics stack |
| 20:49 |
Calinou |
they don't care about wifi working either |
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Calinou |
or end users not all being geeks |
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sapier1 |
of course ... but end users shall use cloud services on their tabs |
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hoodedice |
Debian is happy that way |
| 20:50 |
Peacock |
mouhaha, griefers came back today, but i had a surprise waiting :D |
| 20:50 |
hoodedice |
I don't know why they still call it Debian |
| 20:50 |
sapier1 |
debian is working that's the major difference while ubuntu isn't most fresh software is worth nothing if you can't even run it |
| 20:51 |
Calinou |
changing your brand image when it is bad? NEVER!!!! |
| 20:51 |
Calinou |
</AMD> |
| 20:51 |
hoodedice |
I mean, Ian broke up with his girlfriend right? |
| 20:51 |
Calinou |
>debian >working |
| 20:51 |
Calinou |
tried to install it on a laptop once, installer froze because _ethernet_ needed firmware |
| 20:51 |
hoodedice |
You must be using ubuntu rolling |
| 20:51 |
Calinou |
no I'm using xubuntu 13.04 |
| 20:51 |
hoodedice |
Switch to stable |
| 20:51 |
Calinou |
sadly there's no rolling release |
| 20:51 |
Peacock |
heard about the ubuntu forums being hacked? (all accounts/passwords) |
| 20:51 |
hoodedice |
No ubuntu rolling @sapier |
| 20:52 |
hoodedice |
@Peacock |
| 20:52 |
sapier1 |
I used ubuntu LTS amd they didn't even manage to get this version stable |
| 20:52 |
Calinou |
ubuntu is very fresh software |
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McBrutal |
anyone know where the install folder is for ubuntu? I want to add mods but its different from windows lol |
| 20:52 |
hoodedice |
Xubuntu LTS had a prob with Simle scan |
| 20:52 |
Calinou |
any distro, except arch, claiming to be more recent is false, or wrong, or both |
| 20:52 |
Calinou |
McBrutal, how did you install minetest? |
| 20:52 |
Menche |
McBrutal: ~/.minetest/mods/ |
| 20:52 |
hoodedice |
Search for .minetest in home |
| 20:52 |
hoodedice |
It will be hidden |
| 20:52 |
Calinou |
should be ~/.minetest/mods |
| 20:52 |
Calinou |
except if you installed run_in_place |
| 20:52 |
Peacock |
http://www.zdnet.com/ubuntu-forums-hacked-1-82m-logins-email-addresses-stolen-7000018336/ |
| 20:53 |
Menche |
create the "mods" folder if it doesn't exist |
| 20:53 |
sapier1 |
I don't have any experience with arch but I just can't imagine a roling release distribution will ever run except for main usecase |
| 20:53 |
hoodedice |
Too many ees tying too fast :P |
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McBrutal |
yeah, I used the software installer |
| 20:53 |
hoodedice |
*peeps |
| 20:53 |
hoodedice |
software installer? As in Ubuntu Software center? |
| 20:53 |
hoodedice |
or Launchpad? |
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McBrutal |
USC |
| 20:54 |
hoodedice |
I'm on Windows atm, can someone check what the latest version on ubuntu is? |
| 20:54 |
McBrutal |
I have no idea where its putting installs |
| 20:54 |
hoodedice |
in any case |
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sapier1 |
13.04 |
| 20:55 |
hoodedice |
Navigate to home via Nautilus, or whatever explorer you have on ubuntu |
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Calinou |
McBrutal, USC is heavily outdated on most games |
| 20:55 |
Calinou |
don't use it |
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sapier1 |
and next ubuntu will be 13.10 ;-) |
| 20:55 |
hoodedice |
Search around for a way to view hidden folders |
| 20:55 |
Calinou |
install and compile by hand, or use a PPA |
| 20:55 |
hoodedice |
Then navigate to .minetest |
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hoodedice |
Enjoy |
| 20:55 |
Menche |
ctrl-h shows hidden files on most file managers |
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Calinou |
^ |
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Calinou |
night now, bye |
| 20:56 |
hoodedice |
Use this |
| 20:56 |
hoodedice |
https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/stable/+packages |
| 20:56 |
hoodedice |
to download for Ubuntu |
| 20:56 |
Peacock |
lol poor griefer gave up after 10 minutes |
| 20:56 |
Peacock |
(and being shot like a dog twelve times :P) |
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Megaf |
Peacock, what mod is that? |
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Peacock |
jordan's turret |
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Peacock |
modified, and epic |
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Peacock |
the original code shot at it's own owner :/ lol |
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Kacey |
http://pastebin.com/G8xHByGU |
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VanessaE |
"moretubesilter.lua" <-- what's an "ilter"? :P |
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Kacey |
the file is moretubes/filter.lua |
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VanessaE |
you've just got a bad byte in the file then |
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Kacey |
maybe i put a / where a \ is needed |
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VanessaE |
because that's coming back as 0x0c embedded into the filename |
| 21:29 |
Menche |
windows and it's silly backslashes... |
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Megaf |
windows is silly |
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Megaf |
silly and shitty, if I can say that |
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nalkri |
All known OSes are silly |
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nalkri |
And shitty |
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Kacey |
yep it was a wrong slash... |
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hdastwb |
Here's a pull request that would let technic stuff visually connect to tubes, if anyone is interested: https://github.com/RealBadAngel/technic/pull/62 |
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PilzAdam |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/835 good that the sahde bug is fixed |
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PilzAdam |
I mean, sahde was always a core feature of Minetest |
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VanessaE |
speak of the devil |
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ben_ |
o_o |
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ben_ |
anyone here that can answer a quick question about the program? |
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Peacock |
pose your question, i can't garantee ill know the answer though |
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PilzAdam |
ben_, http://minetest.net/irc read the first rule |
| 22:07 |
ben_ |
it's about me and my someone else are trying to join in to a local server but when i try to connect it states "too many people |
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ben_ |
ooooooooooooooooook, my bad |
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Peacock |
dont mind him :p |
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Peacock |
too many players? |
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Peacock |
are you in singleplayer or something? |
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PilzAdam |
look at the max_users setting in the mintest.conf of the server |
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Kacey |
ben_, are you sure that it isnt in singleplayer? |
| 22:08 |
ben_ |
No, i don't know.... |
| 22:08 |
ben_ |
i barely downloaded it |
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ben_ |
so i'm still trying to get the hang of it |
| 22:09 |
ben_ |
and thanks pilz adam...will try |
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Peacock |
well if you didn't touch the settings, your prolly in singleplayer |
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PilzAdam |
Peacock, ehm |
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ben_ |
oooooh, well i'm not computer savy |
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PilzAdam |
its unlikely that he runs a singleplayer game |
| 22:10 |
Peacock |
then what else could cause it (assuming he hasn't touched settings) ? |
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PilzAdam |
most people dont know the port where the singleplayer game runs on |
| 22:10 |
Peacock |
then it wouldn't say "too many players" ? |
| 22:11 |
PilzAdam |
ben_, please post the exact error message |
| 22:11 |
Peacock |
yes please lol |
| 22:11 |
ben_ |
ok, one moment ._. |
| 22:16 |
ben_ |
yeah no now i can't even go anywhere |
| 22:17 |
ben_ |
ok, but then how do i connect to a multiplayer? |
| 22:18 |
ben_ |
i mean i see the public servers but i don't know now how to connect to a local >_< |
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PilzAdam |
just enter the IP of the local server |
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ben_ |
which would be found where? again...sorry but you're talking to a caveman ._. |
| 22:19 |
PilzAdam |
how is the setup of your lan? is the server running on a different computer? |
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ben_ |
i have no idea...o_o we're trying to connect via wifi |
| 22:20 |
PilzAdam |
is the server running on a different computer? |
| 22:21 |
ben_ |
yup |
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ben_ |
i think |
| 22:21 |
PilzAdam |
what OS is running on that computer? |
| 22:21 |
ben_ |
o_o OS? where's dat? |
| 22:22 |
Kacey |
windows, linux? |
| 22:23 |
ben_ |
ooooh, hehe stupid question of me...windows |
| 22:23 |
PilzAdam |
do you know what a command prompt is? |
| 22:23 |
ben_ |
yup |
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PilzAdam |
then type "ipconfig" into it on the server |
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ben_ |
ok |
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ben_ |
which one would it be? Ipv4, subnet mask, default gateway? |
| 22:26 |
PilzAdam |
IPv4 |
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ben_ |
ok, |
| 22:26 |
PilzAdam |
go back to your computer and enter that into Minetest |
| 22:28 |
ben_ |
couldn't resolve address |
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ben_ |
._. |
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PilzAdam |
what is the IP? |
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ben_ |
._. pilzadam i'm sorry for taking up your time |
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ben_ |
he got distracted |
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ben_ |
._. going into the pool now |
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ben_ |
._. |
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ben_ |
sorry |
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ben_ |
thanks though! |
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Kacey |
hey anyone good with making textures? |
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sokomine |
no, sorry. searching people for that as well |
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OldCoder |
Hi |
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Kacey |
hi OC |
| 23:28 |
OldCoder |
Kacey, hey! |
| 23:29 |
OldCoder |
Let us know if you solve the recent math puzzle |
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sokomine |
hi oldcoder |
| 23:30 |
OldCoder |
Hi back! |
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Peacock |
griefers gonna grief lol |
| 23:48 |
PilzAdam |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=101309#p101309 |
| 23:48 |
PilzAdam |
lol |
| 23:52 |
Menche |
best server in the world |
| 23:54 |
Peacock |
127.0.0.1 lol |
| 23:54 |
Menche |
there's no network lag on that one |
| 23:54 |
Peacock |
"unique server for every player" |
| 23:59 |
arsdragonfly |
absolutely 24/7 |
