Time Nick Message 00:02 OldCoder NEWS: 1. My MT worlds will I hope return tonight or tomorrow. 2. I will update only if there is LevelDB. 3. Somebody tell MarkV that he can have the changes he wishes. 4. I will prepare docs for LM too as he wishes. 5. I will host other projects too if they are positive. 00:02 OldCoder 00:02 OldCoder My server host has returned from Europe and the upstream ISP is changing now. To achieve a much better uptime. 00:02 OldCoder 00:03 OldCoder VanessaE, Jordach, mrtux, Naked, NekoGloop, PilzAdam, ruskie, sokomine, and Lions and Tigers oh my ^ 00:03 OldCoder 00:03 mrtux wat 00:04 OldCoder Details are above 00:04 PilzAdam OldCoder, you know that ShadowBot kicks for multihighlights? 00:04 NekoGloop wassup 00:04 OldCoder PilzAdam, I do but this was a limited and useful announcement 00:04 Naked great news Oldcoder 00:04 OldCoder NekoGloop, an octocore is up! 00:04 Jordach !op OldCoder 00:04 PilzAdam OldCoder, please dont highlight me again in a mass-highlight 00:04 mrtux i havent played minetest for how long now... 00:04 OldCoder PilzAdam, Hmm? O.K. Explain in PM pls as I am confused 00:04 Jordach OldCoder, you cant be kicked for mass hl now 00:04 OldCoder Jordach, thank you for information 00:04 Jordach provided you are OP 00:04 OldCoder mrtux, you seem to be here regardless 00:05 * OldCoder is busy switching DNS from the bad ISP to the good one 00:05 Jordach OldCoder, the return to normality 00:05 OldCoder Jordach, heh. Not likely. Are many of us normal? 00:05 OldCoder But we do what we can. 00:05 Jordach thats on your definition 00:05 OldCoder Which I decline to think about for now 00:06 OldCoder *edit DNS* <- sound effect 00:06 Peacock you would never kick oldcoder anyhow :p 00:06 OldCoder Peacock, bot has :-) It is fine. Some degree of order is good. 00:06 Jordach Order and Chaos 00:06 OldCoder Heh 00:06 OldCoder And friends 00:07 Jordach two things that create balance 00:07 OldCoder Which transcends labels of the type 00:07 OldCoder Indeed 00:07 Jordach i am calm and quiet 00:07 Exio4 !op Exio4 00:07 Exio4 :> 00:07 Jordach my girlfriend is the said polar inverse 00:07 OldCoder This is healthy but sometimes one must kick up one's heels 00:07 PilzAdam Exio4, you are doing it wrong 00:07 PilzAdam !op Exio4 00:07 PilzAdam here you go 00:07 Exio4 lol 00:07 Jordach !deop Exio4 00:07 Peacock imanigary (or paid) women don't count :p 00:07 Jordach nope.avi 00:07 Peacock j/k 00:08 Jordach Peacock, oldcoder has seen mine 00:08 Exio4 Jordach: why not :> 00:08 * Jordach doesnt trust a troll 00:08 Peacock in pics or person? 00:08 Jordach pictures 00:08 * Exio4 is sad 00:08 OldCoder Be friendly 00:08 OldCoder Do not be sad 00:08 OldCoder You are among friends if you wish them 00:08 Jordach !voice Exio4 00:08 Exio4 awww 00:08 Jordach better? 00:08 Peacock dunno, anyone who has woman wouldn't be here, they'd be getting it (if you know what i mean :P) 00:09 Peacock i mostly kidding though :p 00:09 Exio4 Jordach: i'm sad cuz other things ;P 00:09 Jordach heh 00:09 Peacock im not sad, im Black Jesus 00:09 Jordach "BLACK JESUS!" 00:09 Exio4 i can't get a driving licence, but i can vote for the elections 00:09 Jordach FG reference 00:10 Jordach OldCoder, want to say hello to Sam II? http://i.imgur.com/CxKA3ps.png 00:10 * OldCoder wonders what in the world possessed him to buy dangercoder.com 00:10 OldCoder Hm? Reviewing 00:10 Peacock dont feel bad exio, americans' can die in wars before theyre allowed to drink :p 00:10 Peacock doesnt that suck 00:10 * OldCoder has been puzzled by that 00:10 Jordach then they can drink after service 00:10 Jordach even OldCoder is more third person than me :P 00:10 Exio4 Peacock: your use of "american" sucks too 00:10 Peacock you couldn't convince me to fight any modern war without being drunk off my ass 00:10 OldCoder Sam II seems like a fine lad 00:11 OldCoder Tell me of him and he shall be blogged 00:11 Jordach OldCoder, Sam I http://i.imgur.com/SfblUEx.png 00:11 Jordach doesnt he look familiar> 00:11 Peacock exio in what sense? 00:11 OldCoder Too young to drink but old enough to fight 00:11 OldCoder Reviewing the other image 00:11 OldCoder I see... Mark II is more polished 00:12 Jordach Sam* 00:12 PilzAdam *Fiola 00:12 Jordach Sam means, Sam ain't Minecraft 00:13 OldCoder Ah 00:13 Jordach Sams is plural, which can mean, Sam ain't Minecraft Steve 00:13 OldCoder Or recursive 00:13 OldCoder Sam Ain't Minecraft Sam 00:13 Peacock recursive acronym lol 00:13 Peacock another one i heard is GNU's Not Useful lol 00:14 Jordach acronym, thats the word i was looking for 00:14 Peacock on ED i think 00:14 OldCoder Heh 00:14 Jordach OldCoder, NekoGloop is back 00:14 Jordach prepare for kittens! :3 00:14 NekoGloop in case you hadn't noticed 00:14 OldCoder Oh boy 00:14 OldCoder Meow 00:14 * Jordach feels 0.4.3 deja vu 00:15 Peacock now this is weird, i had two players build stuff all afternoon, the minute I built something, they griefed it lol 00:15 Peacock and took off 00:15 Naked use WE and move their creations 00:15 Jordach Peacock, say I am admin 00:16 Jordach they'll learn 00:16 Peacock meh, it's a test server, i expected as much :p 00:16 Peacock the terminal output is infiintely more useful to me 00:17 Peacock but not the debug log, thats more heavy than oprah winfrey 00:17 Jordach \o/ 00:18 Mallot1 hi 00:18 Peacock /\o/\ 00:18 Peacock anyone can do the C and the A? 00:18 NekoGloop o< 00:18 NekoGloop /o\ 00:18 NekoGloop close enough 00:18 Peacock lol 00:19 Peacock A yeah, not the C :P 00:19 Jordach /o< 00:19 Jordach better? 00:20 PilzAdam no 00:20 Peacock now it just looks crippled 00:20 Mallot1 if minetest programmed in strictly Irrlicht and C++? (the core part of minetest not the lua modding) 00:20 Peacock if implies a question 00:20 Mallot1 what? 00:20 Mallot1 oh 00:20 Mallot1 sorry 00:20 Peacock i dont understand the Q 00:21 Peacock now i get it, i think so yes 00:21 Jordach /o_ 00:21 Jordach there 00:21 Mallot1 i meant is minetest programmed in strictly Irrlicht and C++? (the core part of minetest not the lua modding) 00:21 Mallot1 oh ok thanks B) 00:21 Peacock though you might ask -dev for a detailed answer 00:22 PilzAdam what do you mean by "strictly"? 00:23 Peacock aaaaaaaaaand he's gone 00:23 Mallot1 im still here 00:23 Mallot1 im in difernt rooms 00:24 Peacock im occupying 5 dimensions at once 00:24 Peacock i feel like a god 00:24 Mallot1 PilzAdam: i mean everything else besides the modding part of minetest. 00:24 Mallot1 Peacock: lol 00:25 Peacock now, bow before me or suffer everlasting shame and dishonor 00:25 PilzAdam it doesnt make sense to me that you list a libary and a programming language 00:25 Peacock :P 00:25 Peacock he's asking a generalized question :p 00:27 Mallot1 yea 00:27 Peacock yea to the bowing before me bit, or to the generalized question? :p 00:28 Mallot1 the question X3 00:29 Mallot1 im asking if the core of minetest is made only with Irrlicht library and the C++ programming language. 00:29 PilzAdam no 00:29 Mallot1 what else? 00:30 PilzAdam it uses other libaries like jthread 00:30 Exio4 i wonder how would you include "lua modding" without using lua btw 00:30 Peacock and j-dawg :P 00:30 PilzAdam and there are essential Lua scripts that are relevant for the core 00:31 Peacock the stuff in /builtin? 00:31 PilzAdam yep 00:31 Peacock lots of fun tweaking with that stuff :-) 00:31 Mallot1 oh ok :) thanks B) 00:32 Mallot1 i want to start wth 3d graphics and cant find anything for Opengl 00:32 Peacock start with tutorials first 00:32 Peacock minetest has a lot of source files 00:33 Peacock im guessing most of it isn't necessarily about the graphics bit 00:34 Mallot1 ok 00:34 Mallot1 do you know of any irrlicht tutorials? 00:34 PilzAdam ehm 00:34 PilzAdam do you know of any internet search engine? 00:35 Exio4 Mallot1: you are doing it completely wrong 00:35 Mallot1 yea let me help 00:36 Mallot1 PilzAdam: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=google.com 00:36 PilzAdam google is evil 00:36 Peacock why would you google google? 00:36 PilzAdam just dont google products 00:37 Mallot1 Exio4: what should i do? 00:37 PilzAdam +use 00:37 Peacock google's fine 00:37 PilzAdam no! 00:37 Peacock yes 00:37 Mallot1 PilzAdam: LOL 00:37 Mallot1 u guys r fighting bout google 00:37 Peacock dont make me drag you off to the umschlagplatz :p 00:37 Mallot1 B) 00:38 Peacock theres duckduckgo but it duckducksucks 00:38 PilzAdam use ixquick.com 00:38 Peacock i dont even know of that one lol 00:38 PilzAdam duckduckgo fails because it tries to be like google 00:38 Peacock they all try to be like google :P 00:38 Peacock and if they had google's user base, it wouldn't be any different :p 00:39 PilzAdam ixquick.com doesnt 00:39 PilzAdam go to the website, read the docs 00:39 Peacock what does google does that so evil? 00:40 PilzAdam it makes money from my private data 00:40 PilzAdam and of course I dont get the money 00:40 Peacock and you wouldn't if you could? 00:42 Peacock facebook and google might be evil, but if anyone had the chance to invent them first, i doubt anyone would refuse 00:42 PilzAdam of course they are succesful companies 00:43 Peacock exactly, its easy to complain about evil unless you have the chance to do it yourseld 00:43 Peacock *yourself 00:44 Peacock i dont think my life is interesting enough to give a fark what google does with my searches lol 01:20 hmmmm http://ubuntuforums.org/announce.html 01:20 hmmmm bamm 01:21 Exio4 lol 01:21 PilzAdam heh 01:21 PilzAdam read it as "Canonical has sold all your data and crashed its own servers, Sowwwy!!!!" 01:23 Menche the most useful bug report award doesn't go to:https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=101168 01:23 PilzAdam oh yea, thats the well known "ADAM PILZ" error 01:24 Exio4 wtf 01:24 * Menche thinks about telling him that minetest doesn't load mods when caps lock is on 01:24 Exio4 haha 01:24 Exio4 nice one 01:26 Menche lets see... carts uses github... i predict that he still has the folder named "carts-master" or whatever github names it 01:26 Exio4 may i tell him to stop using caps & other stuff, and asking me in spanish? 01:26 * Exio4 is argentinian 01:28 PilzAdam bye 01:30 Exio4 any moderator/admin of the forum? 01:45 * Menche got a PM that reads, "how on earth is the settings on remobo" 01:45 Menche how on earth is your grammar 01:45 * Menche isn't sure what he is asking 01:47 Exio4 https://xkcd.com/676/ 02:01 pehjota Peacock: The existence of similar but non-evil successful companies (like Ixquick, which has been around since 1998 and now has a second search engine, Startpage) invalidates that argument. It's easy to complain about evil unless you have the chance to do it yourself *or someone else already has done it*. 02:01 pehjota Also, re: USA's NSA PRISM program: . 02:02 Peacock do you seriously think other countries dont do the same, or that this is new? 02:02 Naked arguing or protesting wont stop this. 02:02 Jordach hey VanessaE 02:02 VanessaE hi 02:03 Peacock it was a given for me that this was going on during the cold war too :p 02:03 Naked and like peacock said, my life is interesting enough... 02:04 kahrl Peacock: just because it's been going on for decades it's not evil? 02:04 pehjota Peacock: No, I've always known that the USA and other countries have been doing this for decades. The page to which I linked just describes how Ixquick doesn't (and can't) provide such data to governments. 02:04 Peacock no, but it makes people ignorant to think this is new 02:05 pehjota Peacock: I definitely don't think PRISM is anything new. I just think it's a good publicized opportunity to show what's been going on for so long. 02:05 Peacock fact is, governments granted themselves extraordinary powers in the two world wars that they haven't let go since 02:06 Peacock and with so many nutjobs in the world on the left and right, its not entirely a bad idea either 02:06 Exio4 the people is dumb enough for giving their data for free 02:06 Exio4 and letting their childs give it for free 02:06 pehjota (PRISM and the other leaked programs like the recent Verizon deal and the AT&T deal from 2001 just prove what we've known all along.) 02:06 Peacock if you dont know what world your bringing your child into, its your own damn fault, i wouldn't have kids 02:07 pehjota Exio4: Yeah. 02:07 Peacock nor would i fill their heads with all sorts of idealisms 02:07 Peacock so they can be let down 02:07 Exio4 it is the main problem, the idea is screaming at their face until they react and see what they are doing 02:07 Peacock theyll keep doing it 02:08 Peacock what can you do? 02:08 Peacock voting gives you more of the same, revolution gives you worse 02:08 Exio4 "we are already fucked up, i don't mind putting more stuff inside my ass" 02:08 Exio4 - Peacock 2013 02:09 Peacock what i do is simple, i fill all my online shit with as much bullshit as possible 02:09 Peacock my facebook location? a city that was torn down 30 years ago 02:09 Exio4 do you think your cousins aren't uploading your photos about you? 02:09 Peacock they dont have photos of me, and if they did, id untag myself, thats all 02:10 Exio4 how funny is that 02:10 Exio4 people already saw that, iirc they have logs after that, plus the "funny thing" of they can still say your name in the photo 02:10 Exio4 and say your REAL location 02:10 Exio4 and say your REAL name, and that bullshit you used to fill up your profile, is all now redirected to real info 02:11 Exio4 err 02:11 Peacock ok, so wtf do you get up thats so important the gov't can't know? 02:11 Peacock and what makes you think it was any different for your parents or grandparents? 02:12 Exio4 facebook is a private company 02:12 Peacock doesn't answer my question though 02:12 Peacock what do you do that would make you a target for your gov't? 02:13 Exio4 you're giving your data for free to a big company that makes money from your data, data that you give to them for free, and you don't even know, because people is supa-l33t that if they see a popup saying "clop here" they will click it because why not. 02:13 * pehjota just followed up on a discussion between PilzAdam and Peacock about search engines and didn't mean to start a discussion about privacy on social networks. :) 02:13 Peacock dumb people who click on anything deserve what they get 02:13 Exio4 that dumb people is the 95% of the userland when talking about computers 02:13 kahrl you want to give your government incriminating data that lets them use it against you in case they stop liking you? 02:14 Exio4 kahrl: that too, they can use all what you upload in any way 02:14 kahrl say if you get some info about corruption and make it public 02:14 Peacock dude, i grew weed for nearly 3 years and i was pretty sure my phones were tapped but i never got caught 02:14 Peacock (this was over a decade ago) 02:14 Jordach my dad had been doing it for 10 02:14 Exio4 isn't growing weed for "personal use" legal though? 02:15 Peacock not where im from 02:15 Exio4 iirc it is in argentina 02:15 Peacock and it was for personal use either lol 02:15 Peacock *wasnt 02:15 VanessaE Peacock: the government's filtering and surveillance systems tag people for review based on keywords and associations - if we were to start seriously talking about, say, how to build a bomb (something every high-schooler probably knew at one time anyway, by way of mandatory chemistry or science classes), those algorithms would flag this venue as something to review. 02:15 Peacock 200 plants would have landed me in jail for at least 5 years back then 02:15 pehjota Peacock: The "I don't have anything to hide" argument is false. Throughout history, people who simply disagreed with their government and voiced opinions had something to hide from those governments (including the USA at times in its own democratic history!). 02:15 VanessaE whether they can tie a given user id back to a real person is immaterial - the fact that it's a computer program doing it without human intervention is the issue 02:15 Exio4 pehjota: did you mean the whole world 02:16 Naked stop agrandizing your self importance. no government is interested in you unless you turn into a psycho terrorist or super mega genius 02:16 Exio4 latin america, europe, usa, canada, check the history of everywhere 02:16 kahrl http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Litvinenko 02:17 kahrl if he had given the government incriminating info he'd just be considered a criminal, not a murder victim 02:17 VanessaE Naked: or if you talk about just the right sort of things, without ever having any intent on doing anything. even empty threats you would never actually carry out will land you in hot water now. 02:17 pehjota Exio4: Yes, that's what I mean. I just used the USA as an example. 02:17 Exio4 hehe 02:17 Peacock Alexander Litvinenko was wacked by the FSB for sharing secrets with the brits 02:17 Peacock its called dont fuck with the russians 02:17 Peacock especially if you are one 02:18 Peacock though i dont see anyone here who has an interesting enough life to be a target for surveillance 02:18 kahrl I'm not saying what he did was right or a good idea or the other way round, I'm just giving an example 02:18 Naked yeah 02:19 Exio4 i don't get any real point for giving info and making your privacy nearly null 02:19 VanessaE Peacock: if you saw some of the things my husband and I have posted in other venues, you'd probably change your mind. 02:19 Peacock if your gov't was interested in you, they wouldn't need facebook or google to find out about you 02:19 Naked ^ 02:19 VanessaE true 02:19 VanessaE those just make it easier for them 02:19 Peacock you still have to use phones, pay bills, drive a car 02:19 Naked stop using internet at all and live in a shack in the middle of nowhere 02:19 pehjota Peacock: Right, but Facebook and Google make it so much easier. 02:19 Naked now you have privacy 02:19 kahrl Gustl Mollath didn't think he'd be an interesting target until he found out about corruption at his wife's job 02:20 Exio4 pehjota: they don't understand our paranoia :P 02:20 Peacock well either you become a complete hermit, garanteeing your privacy, or you deal with it 02:20 Peacock i chose to deal with it 02:20 Exio4 the idea is not giving ALL THE INFO because why not 02:20 Peacock if the governments' wasting money spying on me, i need to stop paying taxes cuz theyre obviously being wasted 02:20 Exio4 if facebook usage was controlated and wasn't a huge invasion to the privacy, like it is right now, it wouldn't be a problem probably 02:20 Peacock but i doubt they care about me 02:21 kahrl well, better stop paying taxes now 02:21 pehjota If people don't volunteer all of their personal information to their governments (as they do with Facebook, etc.), then governments have to go back to the time-consuming and expensive processes of actually trying to collect that information themselves. Back to more privacy. 02:21 Peacock terrorism is a fact of life, and we've been pretty sheltered in the west so far, and we've been dumb as doorknobs with our immigration policies, anyone could have seen this coming 02:22 Exio4 pehjota: that is what i want, not "super-paranoic-privacy where nobody knows anything about me", but having some privacy about what i'm actually doing 02:22 Peacock 9/11 aint a first, there was Oklahoma before that, and Waco, etc. 02:22 Exio4 if someone, probably, opens the facebook of a small guy right now, you will be able to understand his life more than what he can do 02:23 Exio4 ('small' guy = 13~14) 02:23 Peacock the biggest problem is people VOLUNTEERING info 02:23 Peacock ie, your own fault 02:23 Exio4 it is the problem, and as they upload photos about their asses they upload photos about you, and people that isn't them 02:24 kahrl war on terrorism is stupid given that more people die from infants mishandling guns than from terrorism 02:24 Peacock the war on drugs is dumb too, but its been going on for 30 years and the US has one of the highest incarceration rates of the industrialized world 02:24 Peacock if not the highest 02:25 Exio4 you normally don't upload to 'facebook' photos about you alone, but with people 02:25 Peacock its all about money 02:25 Exio4 the problem is when that people doesn't want to see their face in that photo, they will upload it anyway 02:25 Peacock private prisons, contractors, the military, these are all local industries 02:25 Peacock cheap plastic crap? china, otherwise we'd pay a lot more for that 02:25 Exio4 "studying english with !!!!1!!" *album with 40000 photos 02:26 Exio4 "going to the university/school with !" in twitter 02:26 Exio4 i don't mind giving my name/surname now, but i don't like the idea of *OTHER* people giving data about other people 02:27 Peacock if im going to be involved in politics, id rather talk about real wages and the cost of life 02:27 Exio4 if you want to fuck your privacy, don't fuck other's 02:27 Peacock theyre not protesting in brazil because of privacy, its because of the quality of life 02:28 Exio4 it is because the over-cost of the mundial stuff and the high taxes 02:28 Peacock same problem everywhere, paying more for less 02:28 Exio4 not the quality itself but more "if we pay a lot, where is it?" 02:28 Exio4 Peacock: like so 02:28 pehjota Peacock: Agreed on the war on drugs. And on Brazil, that's true; but to organize protests against governments, people usually need privacy from governments. 02:29 Exio4 how is that related though 02:29 Exio4 pehjota: he can't understand that, for him it is a binary "thing" 02:29 Peacock heres a simple trick: dont assume that phone and mail and email are safe, they havent been for a very long time 02:29 Exio4 or you are a paranoic with 100% privacy, or you are a supa-facebook(er) 02:29 Peacock havent you seen any gangster movies? lol 02:30 Exio4 Peacock: in a movie i saw a guy jumping 50m and he didn't break any of his legs 02:30 Peacock they wouldn't talk on the phones back in the 50s and 60s, why would it be different now? 02:30 Exio4 i guess i can do that too 02:30 kahrl of course you should encrypt your email and stuff, but how do you get everyone you're involved with in doing that too? 02:30 kahrl to do* 02:30 Peacock if you seriously want to organize against your gov't, you have to be smarter then they are, otherwise, give up before you lose everything, because you will 02:30 pehjota Peacock: Right. And Facebook and Twitter are even less safe. 02:30 Exio4 that is the main problem 02:31 Exio4 if the stuff is already pretty unsafe 02:31 Exio4 WHY does it need to be EVEN MORE? 02:31 Peacock personally i haven't seen a revolution in modern times that made things better for it's people 02:31 Exio4 Peacock: Richard Stallman would you kill you ;) 02:31 Peacock they almost always become paranoid about securing their power 02:31 Peacock RMS can kiss my ass lol 02:32 Exio4 linus would do that :> 02:32 kahrl dance dance revolution? 02:32 Peacock have you seen some of the youtube videos with him in it? he's nuts 02:32 Exio4 rick astley revolution! 02:32 Peacock i saw him throw a hissy fit in south america over english/spanish 02:32 Exio4 hissy fit? 02:32 Exio4 ahm 02:32 Exio4 translated 02:32 Peacock gimme a sec 02:33 Exio4 already translated, i got what you meant 02:33 Exio4 the bot wasn't responding 02:33 Peacock here's your hero: http://youtu.be/WM8mKMtEg7M 02:33 Exio4 Peacock: rms is paranoic, crazy 02:33 Peacock personally, i dont think he bathes 02:34 Exio4 how is that related to what he is saying 02:34 Exio4 really, tell me how is that related to the stuff he says 02:34 Peacock its related to RMS and nothing more :p 02:34 Exio4 i'm talking about what he says 02:34 pehjota Peacock: Such characterizations are ad hominem arguments. His personality is unusual, but his points are no less correct for it. 02:35 Exio4 pehjota: i didn't recall if it was exactly ad hominem, thanks! :P 02:36 Peacock google, Richard Stallman: 2mil results, Richard Stallman Nuts: half a mil. 02:36 Peacock those are pretty good odds 02:37 pehjota No one claimed he's "normal". He's a hacker and a "genius"; they tend to be different. :) 02:38 Peacock im not religious, and if i was, i wouldn't put my eggs in HIS basket 02:38 Peacock he talks about freedom but has a pretty good idea of what everybody else should be doing, he's no better than the pope 02:39 pehjota But like I said, his personality doesn't detract from his arguments. Anyway, ad hominem attacks on RMS are a little off-topic for what was a privacy discussion. 02:39 Exio4 pehjota: he doesn't have any argument left :P 02:40 pehjota And I should be going to bed, too. 02:40 Exio4 good night man! 02:40 Peacock well, sticking to basics, his vision of things will never come to be, so i'd rather back a horse thas has a chance of winning 02:40 Exio4 that is what makes his ideas don't "win" 02:40 Exio4 people having the fear to change 02:40 Peacock and thats why people like him, the perpetual victim/underdog 02:41 Exio4 people not being themselves but being what the other people is 02:41 Exio4 being other sheep ;) 02:41 pehjota Exio4: Well I don't think "he doesn't have any argument left" is entirely fair to say. The privacy debate was good. 02:42 Exio4 pehjota: he is trying and retrying trying to "defeat" the argument with saying stuff about RMS, not what he says 02:42 Peacock ok so whats your argument (about privacy) 02:42 Exio4 (he = rms) 02:42 Exio4 Peacock: if you didn't get it yet then you should go back to kindergarten 02:42 Exio4 i guess in that place is where you learn to read. 02:42 Peacock you never told me what you did thats needs to be kept secret? 02:43 Exio4 i already said 02:43 Exio4 i don't want 100% privacy but being able to have some privacy 02:43 Peacock 100% privacy is talking to people in person (something weird for geeks i know) 02:43 pehjota Peacock: No, I was basically just meta-defending your privacy arguments for a second there. ;) 02:44 Peacock unless you put up your phone/internet/snailmail network, you can never be assured of total privacy 02:44 Exio4 i want to be able to do something and not having all the people around me, and friend-of-friends-of-friends knowing it 02:44 Exio4 Peacock: try to go to someone's house that uses facebook or twitter 02:44 Peacock so your gov't lets all your neighbours know everytime you get layed? 02:44 Exio4 he will probably say "at home with " 02:44 Exio4 (s)he 02:45 Peacock not many people in north america i know that tags into every place anymore, that was a fad some years ago 02:45 Peacock when it was all new 02:45 Exio4 i don't said tag 02:45 Exio4 i said name 02:45 Peacock "checking in", "tag" etc. 02:45 pehjota Privacy is like security. There's no such thing as total privacy. The idea is just to make it sufficiently difficult for a government or company to learn more about you than you want them to. 02:45 Exio4 good way to say it 02:45 Exio4 a very good way 02:46 Peacock like i said, i make it difficult by filling all my online profiles with bullshit 02:46 Exio4 suddenly, people around you, we end in the same 02:46 Peacock god knows facebook harasses me to fill all those out, so bogus schools, hometowns, locations, why not 02:46 Exio4 you need to make the people around you respect your privacy 02:46 Exio4 that doesn't happens 02:47 Exio4 Peacock: 95% of your friends are in X city 02:47 Exio4 or 90% or any "big number" 02:47 Exio4 or are in a small range of cities 02:47 Peacock you chose who you surround yourself with, how can they not now you value privacy more than me or the average guy? 02:47 Exio4 plus people that is in a small group goes to X school 02:47 Peacock im not terribly sedentary lol 02:47 Exio4 and you are in a "Italian Language study group" where those guys go day to whatever they do 02:48 Exio4 try to look around 02:48 Peacock ok, say the gov't knows all this about you, what can they do with it? 02:48 Exio4 they can know more about you that what you do 02:48 Exio4 but not just the gov 02:48 Exio4 normal people 02:48 Peacock ive managed to avoid collections for this long lol 02:49 Peacock and the gov't shares your adress with them too 02:49 Exio4 you don't understand it 02:49 Exio4 my main respect about privacy is for other people 02:49 Exio4 i don't like the idea of a friend of the sister of a cousin of an aunt of a friend knows what i'm doing at home at 3PM 02:50 Exio4 why is that even needed? 02:50 Peacock ive avoided collection agencies and ive avoided getting caught for growing weed, i have a pretty good idea of what not to put out there 02:50 Exio4 you do 02:50 Exio4 not the people around you 02:50 Exio4 i end in the same 02:50 Exio4 the main problem isn't the person "itself" but the related people 02:50 Peacock you need to chose your friends more wisely 02:51 Exio4 Peacock: try to check facebook 02:51 Exio4 like you were a friend 02:51 Peacock no one can even see my page on facebook unless i add them first 02:51 Exio4 yes 02:51 Exio4 like you were a friend 02:51 Exio4 i said. 02:51 kahrl or unless facebook redoes their privacy settings once again 02:52 Exio4 they will be useless, people doesn't use it 02:52 kahrl no but at least every half a year they reset something to public by default 02:52 Exio4 people will say "at the bed, fucking, with !" with friends-of-firneds 02:52 Peacock facebook changes their privacy settings all the time, you got to be vigilant or gtfo 02:52 Exio4 friends in the privacy-thingy 02:53 Peacock besides, ive gone from 1K friends to 13 friends for that reason 02:53 Exio4 ehm, i don't know how the stuff is called, nor i recall it 02:53 Exio4 do those 13 friends have 1K friends or just the same 13? 02:53 Peacock doesn't matter, friends of friends have no access 02:53 Exio4 . 02:53 Exio4 you still don't understand 02:53 Exio4 or what? 02:54 Peacock and if someone starts sharing my shit, i dont care if youre my sister, ill flush you 02:54 Exio4 the idea is avoiding that 02:54 Exio4 and being paranoic before someone is even able to share shit about you. 02:55 Exio4 still 02:55 Exio4 the main problem is the normal people 02:55 Peacock i understand your concerns, just not your paranoia 02:55 Exio4 aren't your parents uploading photos of when you were with them 4 months ago? 02:55 Exio4 (or 4 hours, i don't know you) 02:55 Peacock you could pull the same shit as me and probably get away with it because busting you is more expensive 02:56 Peacock no 02:56 Peacock my mother worked for the gov't, she knows better 02:56 Peacock and my fathers' gone 02:56 Exio4 why don't you let her upload photos about you 02:57 Exio4 with you, and so 02:57 Exio4 that is what all does, didn't you say you want to be with "that all"? 02:57 Peacock my mother worked for the PQ government during the FLQ terrorism crisis in the 70's, she knows better 02:57 Exio4 because being paranoic won't win? 02:57 Exio4 still 02:57 Exio4 sab 20 lug 2013, 23.57.43, ART 02:57 Exio4 getting late, 23:57 02:57 Peacock because being paranoid wont bring you any benefits, it will just stress you out more for when you really do have a problem to deal with 02:57 Exio4 inb4 sunday 02:58 Exio4 Peacock: i don't see the point of not being paranoic and giving data for free 02:58 Exio4 that is 02:58 Exio4 i guess i repeat(ed) this for like 50 times by now 02:58 Peacock i dont give away data, like i said, im full of shit where my profiles are concerned, but im not paranoid either 02:58 Exio4 at least 02:58 Exio4 you are being paranoic when doing that 02:59 Peacock naw, 02:59 Exio4 not "100% paranoic" but if you didn't care about that 02:59 Peacock it was common sense even back in the 90s 02:59 Peacock nigerian prince scams aren't new 02:59 Exio4 back in the 90s 02:59 Exio4 you talk like you were 80yo 02:59 Peacock you dont tell the internet when you go on vacation and post your adress 02:59 Peacock nearly in my 30s 02:59 Exio4 you normally upload photos about your vacation 03:00 Exio4 because it is the logic right now 03:00 Peacock dude, i cant afford a vacation, thats why im alot more concerned with real wages and quality of life 03:00 Exio4 you say that like being paranoic was a full time activity 03:01 Peacock the way people talk about it, yeah it seems that way lol 03:01 pehjota Exio4: It's Sunday for you now. :P (23:01 here.) 03:01 Exio4 pehjota: yes :P 03:01 Exio4 [00:01:06] Exio4: It's Sunday for you now. :P (23:01 here.) 03:01 Exio4 23:01:06! 03:01 Peacock 23hrs here too 03:01 Exio4 (i guess the server is synced :P) 03:01 Peacock DST 03:01 Exio4 ART 03:02 Exio4 i'm argentinian, you probably know 03:02 Exio4 and you are canadian maudevic, no? 03:02 Exio4 or how was your nick spelled 03:02 pehjota Exio4: Yeah: "23:01:06 Exio4: It's Sunday for you now. :P (23:01 here.)" :) 03:02 Exio4 hehe 03:02 pehjota (NTP FTW.) 03:02 * Exio4 highfives pehjota 03:03 pehjota \o 03:03 Exio4 o/ :P 03:04 pehjota And I'm from the East coast of the USA (EST/EDT). 03:04 Peacock black jesus i just realized today was/is saturday lol 03:05 pehjota Yay Saturn's Day. 03:06 Peacock wife's hours changed this week and i was all fucked up when i woke up and breakfast was missing :/ 03:06 Peacock j/k 03:20 pehjota Someone should point PilzAdam to this log ^ tomorrow – show him what he started by saying not to use Google Search. ;) 03:21 Peacock lol, but then the whole discussion would start over :p 03:22 pehjota In any case, Peacock, you should try Ixquick and Startpage. They don't "duckducksuck". Their results are pretty good (they better be; Ixquick's been doing metasearch since 1998 as I said). ;) 03:23 pehjota I mostly just use Startpage (basically a proxy for Google), but I sometimes try Ixquick and find it gives even better results. 03:23 Peacock well with chromium typing anything in the adress bar tends to take you to google search 03:23 pehjota Peacock: Change that in the settings. 03:24 hdastwb or use Firefox… 03:24 pehjota (I don't remember how to do that, but it's possible to use Chromium without it sending everything you do to Google.) 03:24 Peacock i prefer chromium *because* when i fuck up the adress it brings me to the likeliest thing i was looking for lol 03:25 Peacock and firefox at the time, offered no easy way to sync bookmarks across computers 03:25 hdastwb I think it does now, but I haven't used it 03:25 Peacock there are addons, but addons break everytime firefox has a version change 03:26 pehjota Peacock: You know, helping people not fuck up addresses is the reason DNS was designed in the first place. You really fuck up domains that often? ;) 03:26 hdastwb there: http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-sync-take-your-bookmarks-and-tabs-with-you 03:26 Peacock and before anyone says syncing is evil, i have a seperate account just for chromium lol 03:27 Peacock one other thing that drove me to insanity was the whole browser crashing when one page acted up 03:27 pehjota Yeah, like hdastwb mentioned, Firefox Sync. 03:28 pehjota Peacock: One page == Adobe Flash Player? Or some JavaScript program? 03:28 hdastwb yeah, but it doesn't spawn millions of different processes that overrun your computer 03:28 Peacock the processes are there tho so it's only the tab that crashes and not everything else 03:29 pehjota I run Mozilla Firefox (Debian Iceweasel, really) for months on end with hundreds (sometimes a thousand or so) tabs open at once. It never crashes. 03:29 pehjota And I have only one firefox-bin process. 03:29 Peacock and yeah, its usually javascript that does it lol 03:29 pehjota Peacock: Easy: NoScript. 03:29 Peacock i got flashblock and all, but not noscript since its too impractical 03:29 ShadowNinja A thousand? 03:29 pehjota ShadowNinja: Yes, I'm bad at closing things… ;) 03:29 hdastwb granted, I've never experienced a browser crash because of content on the pages I'm looking at; both seem to isolate themselves well 03:30 Peacock with noscript most sites don't work properly 03:30 ShadowNinja Me too, but I have a few dozen at amx. 03:30 hdastwb I'll admit to abusing tab groups… 03:30 Peacock and im too tired to make exceptions for every site i like lol 03:30 ShadowNinja s/at amx/max/ 03:31 * ShadowNinja is running /clearobjects again. 03:31 pehjota Peacock: There used to be something called "degrading gracefully". What kind of shit Web sites do you use that won't work at all without JavaScript? 03:31 Peacock most of them 03:31 hdastwb I currently have 66 tabs open in my minetest tab group; I use the dropdown thing to manage them since the tabbar can't scroll accurately enough 03:32 pehjota Even Facebook has a "mobile" version that requires no JavaScript, I believe. 03:32 Peacock pure HTML/CSS sites are rare these days 03:32 hdastwb pure HTML/CSS doesn't give web developers very many options with the implementations of their sites either 03:33 Peacock well anything with dynamic features is going to involve one or more scripting languages 03:33 Peacock usually php/asp + javascript 03:33 VanessaE html + css + a bit of js is enough for my site at least :) 03:33 hdastwb AJAX is almost always preferable to reloading entire pages, but you can't do that without Javascript 03:33 VanessaE (but then, mine looks like it was designed in 1995 :P ) 03:33 Peacock god knows i used to make good money off pretty basic websites lol 03:34 ShadowNinja VanessaE: What is your map size now? 03:34 Peacock people thought it was rocket science then 03:34 VanessaE ShadowNinja: 1.4GB 03:35 * ShadowNinja wonders if and when redcrab will update... 03:35 Peacock update map or client? 03:35 pehjota Anyway, I'm finally going to bed now before it becomes Sun's Day here too. :P 03:35 ShadowNinja Hmmm: http://ix.io/6M2 03:36 VanessaE ShadowNinja: probably not for a long while yet, if ever - many of his mods are out of date and his mapfile is broken 03:36 VanessaE he's still on 0.4.4, so I understand anyway 03:37 Peacock not bad 03:37 ShadowNinja Why is the moddb under the forum? 03:40 VanessaE ? 03:42 ShadowNinja VanessaE: forum.minetest.net/mmdb 03:43 VanessaE ohyes 03:43 ShadowNinja Uses the forum login? 03:43 VanessaE don't remember any details though - probably to be used with the mod manager that's in the client 03:44 Megaf_ so, How do I unban someone from my server? 03:44 Megaf_ I used the /ban nick command 03:44 * ShadowNinja wants his normal nick on the forums. :'( 03:44 ShadowNinja Megaf_: /unban nick 03:48 Megaf_ that would not work, it crashes the server 03:48 VanessaE Megaf_: edit worlds/yourworld/ipban.txt and then restart your server. 03:49 VanessaE one line per ban, so just delete the offending line, if /unban doesn't work 03:50 kahrl /unban has been broken in 0.4.7, it was fixed shortly after that 03:51 Peacock do wildcards work in ingame bans? 03:52 ShadowNinja Peacock: No. 03:52 kahrl there are only IP bans, actually 03:52 ShadowNinja CIDR bans would be nice... 03:53 Peacock hm, so some random Guest account is banned 'till i remember the 4 digits that came after lol 03:53 Peacock otherwise with wildcards id just do /ban Guest* 03:54 Peacock i suppose its still possible with a mod, onjoinplayer and regex 03:54 ShadowNinja Peacock: Look in ipban.txt. It will be listed there. 03:55 Peacock oh well, this particular world is going to hell, the griefers already got started wit hthe lava lol 03:57 Peacock http://cdn.meme.li/instances/300x300/39903800.jpg 04:01 Mallot1 hey 04:01 Mallot1 "The procedure entry point __gxx_personality_v0 could not be located in the dynamic link library F:Projects\Coding programs\CodeBlocks\irrlicht-1­.8\lib\Irrlicht.dll." What did u do wrong? 04:01 Mallot1 "The procedure entry point __gxx_personality_v0 could not be located in the dynamic link library F:Projects\Coding programs\CodeBlocks\irrlicht-1­.8\lib\Irrlicht.dll." What did i do wrong? 04:02 Peacock posting it twice doesn't help :p 04:04 Peacock did you try irrlick 1.7? 04:04 kahrl well it's obvious, your irrlicht has a personality disorder 04:05 Peacock his irrlicht was likely arrested in a stolen car wearing women's clothes :p 04:05 Mallot1 ? 04:05 Peacock lol j/k 04:05 Mallot1 lol 04:05 Mallot1 and changed something th esecond post 04:06 Mallot1 changed u to i 04:06 Peacock well i heard someone say irrlicht 1.8 was buggy, dont know if its true 04:07 Peacock maybe its just your install though, did you try reinstalling? 04:07 kahrl did you use the MSVC irrlicht.dll with mingw? 04:07 hdastwb ah; see, there's our C++ compilers not being binary-compatible issue again 04:08 Mallot1 what is that? 04:08 Mallot1 i used the gcc version 04:08 hdastwb I think you're good then… 04:09 kahrl maybe it uses the msvc one through your %PATH% or something 04:10 hdastwb the problem is that there's no standardization as to how library code is represented in shared libraries (DLLs for Windows), thus different compilers do things differently and make it hard to link cross-compiler 04:11 kahrl well, there is, but only for C 04:11 hdastwb the other problem is that calling MSVC a C++ compiler is a bit of a long shot… 04:11 kahrl not C++ 04:11 hdastwb yes, I was just talking about C++ code 04:11 Peacock is he compiling on windows or trying to run binaries? 04:12 Exio4 C ftw :> 04:12 Peacock B ftw 04:12 hdastwb he's got Code::Blocks on his path; I'm assuming he's compiling 04:12 Peacock yeah, he'd have better luck with those ready-made binaries people put up (on windows anyways) 04:13 hdastwb …and watch as the big argument we just had on -dev migrates to this channel 04:13 Peacock please no, dev arguments for dev channel 04:13 Peacock :p 04:13 VanessaE "ready-made binary" --> http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/c55/minetest-0.4.7-46d1d70-win32.7z 04:13 Peacock we just had a big one about privacy an hour ago :p 04:13 VanessaE in case Mallot1's just has a bad copy 04:13 VanessaE -'s 04:15 Mallot1 im not trying to install minetest 04:15 Mallot1 in trying to use irrlicht 04:16 VanessaE ohhh 04:16 hdastwb have you linked the static library into your program? 04:16 hdastwb you probably did; that was a stupid question… 04:16 Mallot1 Irrlicht.h? 04:17 Mallot1 heres my code: 04:17 Peacock what did #irrlicht have to say? 04:17 hdastwb you'd pass it in using a -l flag on the command line 04:17 hdastwb or, with Code::Blocks, in the project settings 04:17 Mallot1 http://pastebin.com/2vyd4DH4 04:18 hdastwb how are you compiling it? 04:18 Mallot1 i have to go in a couple minites 04:18 Mallot1 by clicking build and run 04:19 Mallot1 . #irrlicht noone is active 04:19 Mallot1 the period is a typo 04:22 Exio4 [01:19:36] . #irrlicht noone is active 04:22 Exio4 how much did you wait 04:23 Mallot1 well someone anwserd an hour ago 04:23 Mallot1 a asked a question 5 minites ago 04:23 Mallot1 and i have to go in a couple of minites 04:24 VanessaE minutes* 04:24 Mallot1 ok 04:25 Exio4 you are doing it wrong, then 04:25 Exio4 you ask, then wait for some hours 04:25 Exio4 if you don't see a response, you go to the forums 04:25 Exio4 but before doing all of this 04:25 Exio4 you should have rtfm(ed) and used a search engine to look around 04:26 Exio4 if you aren't able to get useful info, or you can't understand it, go back and try to get the proper bases first 04:26 Exio4 if not, this is a deadend 04:26 Exio4 anyway 04:26 Exio4 good night 04:27 Peacock all your bases are belong to us 04:27 Mallot1 i gtg 04:28 Mallot1 and u NEVER give up 04:43 Peacock in the server list, what does C/D/P mean? 04:43 VanessaE creative, damage enabled, pvp enabled 04:43 VanessaE I think. 04:43 Peacock must be a bug because i have damage disabled and mine says CDP 04:43 Peacock unless D is for something else 04:44 VanessaE I'm probably wrong then :P 04:44 Peacock i thought p meant public tho so heh lol 05:04 VanessaE bbl 05:30 Peacock anybody using ubuntu services should change their passwords 05:30 Peacock http://ubuntuforums.org/announce.html?p=11488790 07:36 PoorBstrd Hi 07:37 VanessaE hi 07:37 PoorBstrd I would like to point something out 07:38 VanessaE careful, that could be dangerous ;) 07:39 nalkri I'd like PoorBstrd to point something out 07:39 nalkri The curiosity is driving me mad 07:39 PoorBstrd http://bpaste.net/show/4AhFBmalHja53WJnl0js/ 07:39 PoorBstrd The side of the list goes off the screen[/irrelevant] 07:40 Calinou huh? 07:40 * Calinou won their prediction 07:40 Calinou you pasted a banlist, I did /banlist 07:40 VanessaE what's so special abotu the ban list? 07:40 PoorBstrd ALL the entries match an IP i have had once! 07:41 PoorBstrd ...Probably 07:41 VanessaE most of them are proxies 07:41 VanessaE afaik anyway 07:42 PoorBstrd http://bpaste.net/show/GvNtsvGrqr07CZ8riekp/ 07:42 PoorBstrd my ip is at the top 07:43 PoorBstrd if i restart my router, is it possible to get a same IP as i previously had? 07:43 VanessaE sometimes 07:43 nalkri I will always get the same 8 as befor 07:43 VanessaE but 86.158.* doesn't appear in the ban list, so you needn't worry 07:43 nalkri *before 07:44 PoorBstrd But, you see my ip changes 07:44 PoorBstrd Last record by system: 86.142.63.81 07:44 VanessaE if your IP changes so radically that you gotta worry about which class-B you're on, you should stop using proxies/tor/etc to sign onto irc 07:45 VanessaE your ISP isn't likely to move you from one network segment to another randomly like that 07:45 * VanessaE pokes Taoki[mobile] 07:46 Calinou what did Taoki[mobile] do? :P 07:46 VanessaE he signed on ;) 07:46 Taoki[mobile] Hi 07:46 nalkri I died on spawn and then my client crashed :( 07:46 Taoki[mobile] Yeah, on thw road now 07:47 PoorBstrd Perhaps you didnt quite get my point 07:47 Taoki[mobile] I wish there was an android minetest roo 07:48 VanessaE eventually I'm sure there will be :) 07:48 MasterBot Could you unban me? 07:48 VanessaE if you were banned, you wouldn't be able to chat in here :P 07:49 MasterBot I am banned 07:50 MasterBot markveidemanis MarkTwain 07:50 Calinou Taoki[mobile]: it would probably be too slow 07:50 MasterBot Calinou: Minecraft isnt 07:50 Calinou if your app isn't made for ARM-style workloads then it's goin to be slow 07:50 MasterBot On my tablet 07:50 Calinou MasterBot: minecraft is a very lightweight C++ recode 07:50 Calinou the pocket edition 07:51 Calinou Taoki[mobile]: maybe on a good smartphone/tablet it would be playable 07:51 MasterBot Then make the same for minetest, i think its already in progress 07:51 MasterBot mosstest? 07:51 Calinou mosstest is java, and is pointless 07:51 Taoki[mobile] On my Galaxy S3 it should work 08:24 Calinou finally github decided to not show that obnoxious "1000+ commits" 08:24 Calinou minetest has 2,971 commits 08:37 PenguinDad https://pod.geraspora.de/posts/1413792 :D 09:24 pitriss Hi all. I need bit help with luacontroller programing.. I'm playing on landrush server an there i'm trying to program lua controller.. .. when I'm use if event.type == "on" then ... end then my code is working.. 09:25 MasterBot Hello 09:25 pitriss ..but when I try if event.type == "on" and event.pin == "B" then ... end then my code won't work.. 09:25 pitriss where I did mistake? 09:25 MasterBot What are you trying to do? 09:26 pitriss MasterBot: Hi. 09:26 MasterBot if pin.b == true then 09:27 pitriss Im trying to detect which pin get on signal to decide action.. event.pin was in examples on internet but it looks broken.. i will try your solution:) 09:27 MasterBot Wait.. 09:28 MasterBot if pin.b then 09:28 MasterBot thats shorter and correct 09:30 pitriss MasterBot: ok:) 09:32 pitriss MasterBot: yes it seems ok..:) Thank you.. 09:32 MasterBot No worries 09:33 Peacock im guessing pin.b isn't a bool 09:41 MasterBot yes it is 09:41 MasterBot :) 09:44 Peacock ahhh, i see what he did there lol event.pin == 'B" instead of pin.b 09:45 MasterBot When you SET ports, it is important to use port.a = true 09:47 MasterBot Anyone have any experience optimizing a website? 09:47 MasterBot i am having trouble 09:48 Peacock if you were coding it ten years ago i could help, im pretty useless now though 10:06 * VanessaE wanders off to bed..again 10:13 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=101194#p101194 10:13 Calinou lol 10:27 arsdragonfly http://imgur.com/WA6RoRA 10:27 arsdragonfly double epic fail :-P 10:28 arsdragonfly notice that there's a bottle on the edge 10:35 nalkri Does the server care about interact being in the centre of view? 10:37 nalkri I'm guessing it never knows but... 10:37 Calinou nalkri: interact being in the centre of view? 10:37 nalkri The crosshair being in the centre of the view 10:37 Calinou no, anticheat doesn't prevent mining behind you or stuff like that 10:37 nalkri Cool :) 10:37 Calinou but it prevents mining from far away 10:37 Calinou lol "cool" 10:38 Calinou le haxor 10:38 nalkri I was just thinking of using a Wii remote or similar 10:38 nalkri I'm certainly no elite hacksaw 10:39 nalkri of course using a game 'troller would pretty much require voice 10:50 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 10:50 Calinou hi 10:51 MasterBot Hi 10:59 mitori http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachyon 11:15 PenguinDad Preview Picture of my next mod. http://mg.viewskew.com/u/penguidad/m/morefences-preview/ 11:18 PilzAdam is the second from the left a pumpkin fence? 11:20 PenguinDad It's a bronze fence. 11:22 PilzAdam you definitely need a pumpkin fence 11:22 Calinou nyancat fences or nothing 11:23 PenguinDad I have nyancat fences 11:33 PenguinDad PilzAdam: here a pumpkin fence http://mg.viewskew.com/u/penguidad/m/morefences-pumpkin-fence/ 11:33 Calinou >viewskew 11:37 PilzAdam new win build: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4547 11:40 PenguinDad Mithril Fences will be added ,too 11:41 Calinou weren't apples supposed to heal 0.5 heart? 11:41 Calinou they heal 2 hearts on VanessaE's server 11:42 MasterBot Have a heart, Calinou! 11:43 PilzAdam Calinou, moretrees overrides them 11:45 MasterBot You can't have an input unless you get more than half of one 11:46 PenguinDad Hi meldrian 11:46 meldrian hey ho 11:48 MasterBot !server players:most 11:48 MinetestBot MasterBot: LandRush Server | 205.185.115.160:31000 | Clients: 13/15, 15 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.296 11:48 MasterBot !server players:most ping:least 11:48 MinetestBot MasterBot: LandRush Server | 205.185.115.160:31000 | Clients: 13/15, 15 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.296 11:48 MasterBot fair enough 11:49 MasterBot Error Access Denied: Too many Users 12:02 PenguinDad !up 0gb.us 12:02 MinetestBot 0gb.us:30000 is up (375ms) 12:08 MinetestBot GIT: RealBadAngel commited to minetest/minetest: Fix light issue in 6d facedir. 0850d3fcf8 2013-07-21T05:06:18-07:00 http://git.io/kkEumw 12:23 sudi hey 12:24 sudi are you doing some kind of occlusion testing before rendering? 12:28 Calinou sudi: yes 12:28 Calinou if you have a compatible driver, of course 12:28 Calinou except when you're inside a block in noclip 12:29 sudi Calinou: what kind of occlusion testing? 12:29 Calinou what do you mean by "what kind"? 12:29 Calinou occlusion culling + view frustum culling 12:33 sudi how does the occlusion culling work? 12:33 sudi i mean 12:33 Calinou sudi: you can read the source code 12:33 sudi is it using the voxel data 12:33 sudi in an octree 12:33 sudi or are you rendering stuff to a buffer 12:33 sudi and filter like that 12:35 RealBadAngel its irrlicht stuff 12:36 RealBadAngel minetest world is an irrlicht scene node 12:36 RealBadAngel and all such computations are made by irllicht 12:36 sudi ok 12:36 sudi thx 12:36 sudi thats what i wanted to know 12:38 sudi so no special octree culling used there 12:38 RealBadAngel afaik no 12:39 RealBadAngel all the elements are just gathered together and thrown in into scene 12:40 BlockMen hi everyone 12:42 RealBadAngel hi 12:43 PenguinDad G'Day 12:45 Calinou voxel, not octree 12:45 qwrwed RealBadAngel, I can't get Technic supply converters to work - I could get a HV-MV conversion fine, but not an MV-LV conversion https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=101104#p101104 12:46 RealBadAngel qwrwed, i will take a look on it. its not my code, i have to read it 12:47 qwrwed ok 12:48 Zeg9 Hey qwrwed, long time 12:48 sudi Calinou: well since the voxel data could be easily put into an octree for visibility checking 12:48 qwrwed Hi Zeg9 :) 12:50 sudi btw you didn't happen to implement a marching cube algorythm or dual contouring? 12:50 sudi i mean just for testing 12:50 sudi ? 12:51 RealBadAngel i dont know even whats that lol 12:52 sudi RealBadAngel: marching cubes produces round feature meshes from voxel data 12:53 sudi dual contouring can produce both. round and sharp features(boxes) 12:53 RealBadAngel im reading now about it 12:53 RealBadAngel and i dont think its needed here 12:53 RealBadAngel for round things you can use meshes 12:53 sudi no its not 12:54 sudi well i am trying to build a level editor using voxel data for easy modeling of the enviroment 12:54 RealBadAngel you can import to minetest any model that irrlicht supports 12:54 sudi but since this editor is not supposed to produce minecraft like worlds 12:54 sudi its not that easy 12:55 sudi its not really related to minetest 12:56 sudi just wondering of some technics used 12:56 sudi i could still use in the editor 12:57 RealBadAngel for such questions you shall rather try irrlicht channel or forums 12:57 sudi well you guys obviously invested some time thinking about voxel worlds and represantation and storing 12:59 Calinou nothing wrong with blocks 13:04 BlockMen RealBadAngle, btw thx for making drowning controlable by LUA 13:07 sudi Calinou: true but if you don't want them....or at least not everywhere 13:27 sudi https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/36978459/voxel1.png 13:27 sudi https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/36978459/voxel2.png 13:27 sudi https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/36978459/voxel3.png 13:27 sudi https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/36978459/voxel4.png 13:27 PilzAdam hello john_pony! 13:31 thexyz oh wow 13:32 thexyz https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6611 13:33 PenguinDad But don't use it on a server!!1! 13:34 thexyz just don't use it 13:35 thexyz it's so insecure i don't even 13:36 Zeg9 "oh cool a terminal emulator for minetest" 13:36 Zeg9 That's what I thought when I saw the mod 13:36 Zeg9 When I read a bit more, I understood it was REALLY calling the commands... 13:37 Zeg9 mesecons with their command blocks is already enough :D 13:38 MasterBot sudo rm / 13:38 Zeg9 john_minetest: let's create a "server modpack" 13:39 PilzAdam john_minetest, echo "name = PilzAdam" >> minetest.conf; and you get the server priv after next restart 13:39 PilzAdam thats how you take over the server 13:41 thexyz PilzAdam: that was possible btw 13:41 PenguinDad :D 13:41 thexyz similar thing 13:42 BlockMen PilzAdam, your builtin mod was crashing Minetest+ 13:42 BlockMen https://github.com/PilzAdam/builtin_item/blob/master/init.lua#L89 13:42 * PilzAdam hides 13:43 BlockMen that fixes ->https://github.com/BlockMen/minetest_plus/blob/master/mods/builtin_item/init.lua#L89 13:44 sudi john_minetest: didn't mean to post them here... 13:45 sudi had the wrong tap open when i was pasting the links 13:45 sudi and to answer the question 13:45 sudi its not minetest 13:46 PenguinDad Maybe Minecraft? 13:46 sudi PenguinDad: no 13:47 Zeg9 sudi: a project you're working on? 13:47 Zeg9 (no kidding :p) 13:48 PenguinDad G'Day Jordach 13:48 Jordach morning 13:48 sudi Zeg9: yeah 13:48 PilzAdam sfan5, why doesnt MinetestBot just check if the nickname is identified? that would be better than hostmasks 13:52 Jordach PilzAdam, you only get a hostmask if youre identified 13:52 PilzAdam Jordach, ummm.... 13:53 PilzAdam you may want to think about what you have said again 13:54 PilzAdam Zeg9, a picture is not a good bug report 13:55 pehjota Jordach: You're thinking of cloaks. 13:55 Zeg9 PilzAdam, There is no error 13:56 PilzAdam and you dont have hardware or a driver? 13:57 Zeg9 Linux 3.9.9-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Jul 3 22:45:16 CEST 2013 x86_64 13:57 Zeg9 Using renderer: OpenGL 2.1 13:57 Zeg9 Mesa DRI Intel(R) Ironlake Desktop : Intel Open Source Technology Center 13:57 Zeg9 OpenGL driver version is 1.2 or better. 13:57 Zeg9 GLSL version: 1.2 13:59 Yepoleb Is it possible to disable transparent leaves? 13:59 PenguinDad Yes 13:59 PilzAdam yes 14:00 Yepoleb how? 14:01 PenguinDad Disable fancy trees in settings. 14:03 Yepoleb thanks 14:07 MasterBot !up minetest.org 30010 14:07 MinetestBot minetest.org:30010 seems to be down 14:14 MasterBot !up google.com 14:14 MinetestBot google.com:30000 seems to be down 14:14 MasterBot !up google.com:80 14:14 MinetestBot MasterBot: Note: Syntax changed please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337' 14:14 MasterBot !up google.com 80 14:14 MinetestBot google.com:80 seems to be down 14:14 PilzAdam !ignore MasterBot 14:14 Exio4 aww 14:14 Exio4 i still have that cute +v 14:15 PilzAdam !devoice Exio4 14:15 Exio4 ew 14:15 * Exio4 throws renewable obsidian to PilzAdam 14:16 MasterBot PilzAdam: you are a knob 14:16 PilzAdam I read it as "* Exio4 throws nothing to PilzAdam" 14:16 PenguinDad :D 14:16 Exio4 ew 14:17 Exio4 PilzAdam: how would you check if an user is identified? 14:18 PilzAdam there is a way 14:19 MasterBot the number thing 14:19 Exio4 PilzAdam: what way? 14:19 Exio4 i want to know a cheap way ofc 14:19 Exio4 not sending a who/is every line 14:20 Exio4 BlockMen: https://github.com/BlockMen/minetest_plus/blob/master/mods/hud/hunger.lua#L23 14:20 Exio4 wouldn't be possible to just use "after 0"? 14:22 BlockMen Exio, i guess it would work. but i noticed different times (on other things) that after 0 is not working 14:22 BlockMen like for adding hud elements 14:22 Exio4 i just said that case 14:25 BlockMen Exio4, i will check if 0 is working; and is there a benefit? 14:26 Exio4 not 0.5 delay ;P 14:28 BlockMen if you will be able to eat something before its override i will change to 0 :P 14:28 BlockMen and it works with 0 btw 14:29 Exio4 i don't use MT+ though 14:30 Exio4 and as you handle all this stuff in the server, without any type of prediction i guess that game will work pretty well in singleplayer but will suck in MP 14:30 Exio4 where having a not-constant latency and possible lagspikes (because the internet is shared, you'll be downloading something maybe) is a common thing 14:32 BlockMen well, since there is nearly no one playing this game and no server hosting it i dont know how Minetest+ works on MP 14:34 BlockMen so if anyone here could test MT+ on a server i would be grateful 14:36 Exio4 i can setup a test server in this server, only for testing, would you try it? 14:36 Exio4 hi torified zeg9 14:36 PenguinDad G'Day Zeg9 14:36 Exio4 BlockMen: hi? :P 14:36 Zeg9 Hi :P 14:38 Zeg9 Exio4: how did you get this trekweb thing ? 14:38 BlockMen Exio4, that would be nice, thx 14:38 Exio4 having a #trekweb znc + asking for cloak to the GC :P 14:39 Exio4 BlockMen: lemme setup this, i will use the latest git, is that k? (for both, minetest & mt_plus) 14:39 BlockMen Exio4, yes, last git would be best (both) :) 14:40 Exio4 good 14:41 Exio4 compiling 14:41 BlockMen im kinda excited weather it lags as much as expected^^ 14:42 Exio4 should i configure something before or just run the world? 14:42 BlockMen just run...no need to configure (i guess) 14:42 Exio4 i hope it doesn't kill me ;P 14:43 BlockMen thats an easter egg :P 14:43 Exio4 ew 14:43 Exio4 BlockMen: query? 14:44 BlockMen huh? 14:45 Exio4 private message 14:52 PenguinDad What about waffles for minetest? 14:52 PenguinDad waffle.io 15:10 * Jordach wonders if anyone plays zero-k.info 15:26 Jordach Calinou, played zero-k yet? 15:28 Calinou no 15:29 PenguinDad What is zero-k? 15:29 Jordach http://zero-k.info :P 15:31 PenguinDad Don't like RTS games. 15:39 meldrian Jordach, thx4link, i'll check it out 15:40 PilzAdam inb4 new holarse article 15:51 nalkri To Technic generators stack? 15:51 nalkri As in, can I make a stack of mills and just use one water block to power them all? 15:51 nalkri *and get all the power out of the bottom) 15:54 Jordach nope 15:54 Jordach one water turbine per 1 water source 15:55 nalkri Cool, I'll make a grid then :) 15:56 PenguinDad Yeah, Rancon is interested on my Mod. 15:58 nalkri Jordach: but if I separated them by one each vertically it woulld work right? 15:58 Jordach nalkri, no 15:58 nalkri I thought all that mattered was flowing water 15:58 Jordach you have to have them separated by one nodes space, so like: x x x x 15:59 Jordach and wires underneath the turbine 15:59 nalkri Oh well, it won't be quite as pretty as I wanted then :) 16:00 pitriss nalkri: if you will find my house on landrush you can take look at my water mill farm:D 16:00 nalkri pitriss: send me coords? 16:00 nalkri I can't log in right now but I'll come see 16:00 nalkri I think it was near my Tower of Doom 16:01 PenguinDad !server players:most 16:01 MinetestBot PenguinDad: Clip Minetest server | 217.8.90.18:30001 | Clients: 11/12, 11 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.244 16:01 Jordach !deop OldCoder 16:02 pitriss nalkri: IDK coords but my home is visible on map, so i can take screenshot.. but I will send you coords when I finally connect to landrush:) 16:02 nalkri pitriss: thanks :) 16:04 * nalkri still thinks a nice stack of water mills would look pretty 16:04 Zeg9 !server 16:04 MinetestBot Zeg9: Testing: ipv6 only, ARM cpu | [2002:50f0:d845:2:cd6e:4cde:e82b:f2a1]:1234 | Clients: 0/100, 0 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.160 16:04 Zeg9 !server 16:04 MinetestBot Zeg9: Testing: ipv6 only, ARM cpu | [2002:50f0:d845:2:cd6e:4cde:e82b:f2a1]:1234 | Clients: 0/100, 0 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.160 16:04 Zeg9 -_-, why is it always this one? 16:05 MinetestBot I like IPv6 16:05 Jordach !server 16:05 MinetestBot Jordach: Megaf Server | megaf.no-ip.info | Clients: 5/25, 6 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.340 16:05 Jordach Zeg9, ^ 16:05 nalkri !server 16:05 MinetestBot nalkri: LinuxGaming.us | LinuxGaming.us | Clients: 9/32, 15 | Version: 0.4.6 | ping: 0.211 16:05 Zeg9 !server 16:05 MinetestBot Zeg9: Clip Minetest server | 217.8.90.18:30001 | Clients: 8/12, 11 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.311 16:05 Zeg9 Ah. Worked that time :P 16:05 Zeg9 does players:least takes 0-player servers into account? 16:06 Zeg9 !server players:least 16:06 MinetestBot Zeg9: Testing: ipv6 only, ARM cpu | [2002:50f0:d845:2:cd6e:4cde:e82b:f2a1]:1234 | Clients: 0/100, 0 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.160 16:06 Zeg9 ^ seems so:p 16:06 PilzAdam !server players:leas players:>0 16:06 MinetestBot PilzAdam: No results 16:07 PilzAdam !server players:least players:>0 16:07 MinetestBot PilzAdam: No results 16:07 PilzAdam sfan5? 16:07 Zeg9 !server players:>0 players:least 16:07 MinetestBot Zeg9: [Non-24hr] CalumMc's Server | minetest.mcalinden.me.uk | Clients: 1/6, 2 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.158 16:07 Zeg9 :-) 16:07 PilzAdam ah 16:09 Zeg9 !server name:lol 16:09 MinetestBot Zeg9: No results 16:10 Zeg9 !server hosting-os:windows 16:10 MinetestBot Zeg9: No results 16:10 MinetestBot Zeg9: Testing: ipv6 only, ARM cpu | [2002:50f0:d845:2:cd6e:4cde:e82b:f2a1]:1234 | Clients: 0/100, 0 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.160 16:11 Zeg9 ARM cpu, hosting under windows ? weird. 16:18 proller ubuntu 16:19 NekoGloop meow 16:19 proller but now no info about hosting-os reported 16:20 NekoGloop !server players:most 16:20 MinetestBot NekoGloop: LinuxGaming.us | LinuxGaming.us | Clients: 9/32, 15 | Version: 0.4.6 | ping: 0.194 16:29 MasterBot Theres a special thing in irc that not many people know about 16:29 MasterBot what you do is, /q and it lets you talk to that user ! 16:30 MasterBot PilzAdam is not the only one who can mock 16:34 Zeg9 MasterBot: do you know about the /part trick ? 16:34 MasterBot no 16:35 MasterBot what does that do? 16:35 MasterBot ... 16:35 MasterBot Its like magic! 16:35 PilzAdam Zeg9, *highfive* 16:35 Zeg9 :-) 16:35 Jordach MasterBot, /part 0 16:36 MasterBot did it display the message i typed? 16:36 Zeg9 You probably didn't run the good command. 16:36 Zeg9 /part run_code{MinetestBot.admin()} 16:37 Jordach !op 16:37 Jordach sfan5, is sfan5| you? 16:38 sfan5| I'm sfan5 16:39 PilzAdam sfan5|, phone? 16:40 sfan5| yep 16:40 Jordach !doep 16:40 Jordach !deop 16:41 Jordach sfan5|, didnt trust it 16:43 Jordach sfan5, you could have asked 16:44 * sokomine looks puzzled 16:44 sokomine i get strange effects in latest build... 16:44 sfan5| asked what? 16:44 sokomine kind of like a prism... 16:44 Jordach sfan5|, me, duh 16:45 Calinou sokomine: the NSA is spying minetest! 16:46 Jordach the was a spuy 16:46 Jordach spy* 16:47 sokomine here you can see the effect i'm puzzled about: http://mg.viewskew.com/u/sokomine/m/screenshot-35555951/ 16:48 sokomine calinou: at least that seems relatively unlikely :-) not many economic secrets to be gathered here...(except, perhaps, the upcoming market price for mese on redcrabs server? who knows!) 16:48 Exio4 MasterBot: /join 0 16:48 Exio4 it will join the 0 channel, => single channel for all the stuff 16:49 MasterBot Cool.. 16:49 Exio4 did you try it? 16:49 Exio4 /quote join 0 16:49 Exio4 should work too 16:49 Zeg9 sokomine: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/840 ? 16:51 sokomine ah, looks similar, although those lights/streaks seem to converge on the crosshair in the center of the screen in my case 16:53 VanessaE PilzAdam, Calinou: fixed the apple redef in moretrees. 16:53 VanessaE hi all. 16:53 PilzAdam hi Vennessa 16:54 VanessaE :P 16:55 PilzAdam oh, sry its Vennassa 16:55 Exio4 how do you reproduce it Zeg9? 16:55 Exio4 what configs? 16:56 Jordach Uberi, you shouldn't be here at this time 16:56 Uberi it's a sunday! 16:56 Uberi also I just tested the voxelmanip version of WorldEdit, and I wanted to say that it makes the old version feel like a rust bucket 16:57 Jordach \o/ 16:57 Uberi too bad only //set works at the moment :P 16:57 Jordach PilzAdam, you wanted me to render this right: http://mg.viewskew.com/u/starblessed/m/minecraft-test/ 16:58 PilzAdam yes 16:58 Jordach almost done :) 16:58 PilzAdam nice 17:00 sokomine uberi: yes, the voxelmanip is great! 17:01 sokomine do you have any secret hints as to how to convince hmmm to add something else to the schematic part? :-) 17:01 Uberi throw money at him 17:01 Uberi that always works for me 17:01 sokomine i'd really like that to accept a list of replacement nodes (replacements for the names in the schematic file), but he doesn't seem to be intrested and claims nobody else wants that :-( 17:01 sokomine hm. difficult :-( will he accept mese? :-) 17:02 Uberi what's the MESE -> USD rate these days? 17:02 Uberi what's a replacement? 17:02 nalkri Someone tell me that implimenting a hydrological cycle is insane 17:02 PilzAdam over 9000 17:02 PilzAdam nalkri, implementing a hydrologival cycle is insane 17:02 nalkri PilzAdam: thanks 17:02 PilzAdam -v+c 17:02 nalkri If you hadn't I might have done it 17:03 sokomine glad that could be avoided :-) would have only caused you a lot of work without really gaining much 17:03 nalkri Would have murdered any server it ran on 17:03 sokomine uberi: good question. perhaps stonesquares are the most valuable. they're very popular with griefers 17:03 Uberi sokomine: I mean, what is the feature you are requesting, specifically? 17:04 PilzAdam sokomine, hmmmm already said that he wants to do it 17:04 PilzAdam what you want now is that he does it faster, which may result in that he makes it slower 17:05 sokomine uberi: i want to change materials. whereever it says "default:brick" in the schematic, i want it to use i.e. default:clay. that could be done pretty easy because afaik the schematics-format stores a list of node names in its file and uses their indices later on (hmmm described it similar to a simplified mapchunk as stored in the database) 17:05 sokomine ohhhh! thanks! 17:05 sokomine that's very fine :-) 17:05 * sokomine hops around happily 17:05 sokomine no, i just didn't get that he said he wants to do it 17:05 Uberi if you write an mts file parser, you can probably do replacements purely through lua 17:06 Exio4 the idea is avoid 'that' too 17:06 sokomine last time i read something from him he was very reluctant 17:06 Exio4 like "schematic-scope" aliases 17:06 Exio4 i wonder how you reproduce those liquid glitches 17:06 Exio4 Zeg9 / sokomine 17:06 BlockMen bye everyone 17:06 sokomine uberi: yes, that would be possible, but going through disk-i/o for that seems a bit..insane (reading file, changing value, storing file, function would read it again...) 17:07 sokomine exio: i just compiled the newest version some hours ago, logged into a server and got puzzled 17:07 Exio4 hm 17:07 PilzAdam Exio4, Zeg9, maybe I have done something insane here? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/413f0d0353d49d7baed32540d73cbec99e35658a#L1L429 17:07 Uberi sokomine: no no, I mean read it into a table and use place_schematic 17:07 sokomine it does not happen at every angle. and it's always pointing to the crosshair in the middle 17:08 Zeg9 PilzAdam: checking out to the previous commit seems to fix it 17:08 Zeg9 I don't know if it was introduced by this commit, or later ones 17:08 Exio4 VanessaE: i hate moretrees 17:08 Jordach Exio4, doesnt everybody? 17:08 VanessaE why? 17:09 * PilzAdam too 17:09 VanessaE :( 17:09 sokomine uberi: hmmm. but then some of the benefits of place_schematic would get lost? that it is such a compact format is a plus. expanding the table to the {name=bla, param1=blub, param2=x} format would most likely also consume more memory 17:09 Exio4 those amazingly-cute trees makes my FPS drop from 170 to 15 :( 17:09 * Exio4 should disable fancy trees 17:09 * sokomine loves the moretrees! 17:09 VanessaE not my fault :P 17:09 Exio4 they look pretty nice 17:09 Exio4 i was being ironic, they look pretty nice 17:09 sokomine they're great and make the world much nicer. i always enjoy seeing one of those big trees somewhere 17:09 VanessaE blame the folks who work on irrlicht and the rendering engine :-) 17:10 Uberi sokomine: yeah, it is a bit more mem intensive 17:10 Uberi but for most purposes it should be perfectly fine 17:10 Uberi I was using it for WE with a 1.2 million node area, barely noticable 17:10 sokomine uberi: that schematic format is a very nice, very compact, very close to the one used by the map itshelf. that's why i'd like to use it more :) 17:11 Uberi yep 17:11 sokomine i still had issues with importing a 1024x256x1024 map, but that was an out of memory issue, and there seems to be a better solution for importing minecraft classic maps now 17:14 Uberi 268435456 nodes O_o 17:14 sokomine restore it at night :) 17:15 Exio4 sokomine: how many ram do you have? 17:15 sokomine slightly more than mathematics would tell because it may not be aligned to what the map internally uses 17:15 sokomine 8gb 17:16 Exio4 tell VanessaE to convert it :P 17:16 sokomine this is a new machine. the old one had only 4. i'm glad i took the cheap celeron - its integrated graphics are very fine for minetest and much faster than what i had before 17:16 sokomine :-) 17:16 Exio4 sokomine: cheap celeron? 17:16 Exio4 did you have the mobo? 17:17 Exio4 or got it for "nearly nothing"? 17:17 sokomine i was told that hmmm wrote a converter that works offline and puts the result directly into the database. that seems like a better approach. i just couldn't get it to run yet :-( 17:17 Exio4 (read this as: how much did the "upgrade" cost for you) 17:17 Exio4 what converter? 17:17 nalkri I did a quick search but can't find it, can we modify the rate of sun movement? 17:17 Uberi that sounds really useful, now that I think of it 17:18 Exio4 nalkri: time_speed? 17:18 nalkri Exio4: well, I wanted to do seasons 17:18 sokomine no, bought everything new. but the board was relatively cheap as well (only slightly more than the processor). found out i needed a new psu as well because the old one was still needed and all other ones did not have the connectors for...er...what boards currently have 17:18 nalkri So it needs to go sometimes faster during the day and sometimes faster at night 17:19 Exio4 nalkri: ah 17:19 Exio4 ask proller 17:19 nalkri Exio4: for seasons :D 17:19 sokomine nalkri: are you familiar with the 4seasons mod? 17:19 nalkri I'd also like a sun and moon that aren't in a Kepler 17:19 nalkri sokomine: no, I'll search that now 17:19 sokomine it's a mod that changes dirt with grass and leave nodes depending on season. autum and winter look nicest 17:20 nalkri Day length is key for me though 17:20 VanessaE nalkri: RealBadAngel is working on that already I think 17:21 nalkri Great community here :) 17:21 nalkri Helpful and when I'm stupid you tell me so politely 17:21 Exio4 normally the people says we are all assholes and butthurts and should die in the hell but whatever :D 17:21 VanessaE all it really requires is to gradually vary the angle of the ecliptic e.g. at 90 degrees to the horizon, its summer, maybe at 45 degrees its winter or something 17:21 PilzAdam nalkri, havent met me yet? 17:22 nalkri PilzAdam: you've been nice to me so far 17:22 VanessaE (and of course it requires making the day/night transition follow the sun's distance to the horizon) 17:22 PilzAdam then try to pull request something into minetest_game :-p 17:22 nalkri Doing it with ecliptic would be optimal 17:22 sokomine yes, the irc channel is kind of..problematic. it's usual that there are ragequits after chats on irc :-( 17:22 nalkri Better? 17:22 Exio4 haha 17:24 nalkri I wish my brain didn't keep mentioning tides to me in relation to this game 17:27 * Jordach is considering making a minetest movie in blender 17:27 PilzAdam Jordach, "this is minetest!"? 17:27 Jordach PilzAdam, I've learned a great deal more about blender, might try that 17:29 Jordach instead of a stupidly high render quality, like most minecraft movies, i'll try to stick to the game level graphics 17:29 Exio4 how would you render it 17:30 Exio4 isn't your computer pretty sucky? 17:30 Jordach Exio4, CTRL + F12 17:30 Jordach Exio4, it can handle punishment 17:30 Jordach i've been to 200000 verts+ 17:31 * Jordach suggests making a time lapse of making a minetest blender render 17:31 Exio4 Jordach: i mean, you can render it in a phone too, it would be painfully slow tho 17:32 sokomine i've tried out minecraft on a mobile phone recently. it...did work. but that was about it. i wouldn't really want to build anything with such aninterface.... 17:32 Exio4 my phone can't handle it 17:33 nalkri Minecraft PE isn't terrible 17:33 nalkri But I can't run it on my current phone 17:33 Jordach it isn't that bad 17:33 Jordach i can play it on a 7'' tablet 17:33 Jordach but i always die :P 17:33 nalkri it was just about playable on a 4" 17:33 nalkri But my current phone is 2.7" 17:42 Jordach PilzAdam, http://i.imgur.com/ceDSdlQ.png 17:47 Jordach PilzAdam, http://i.imgur.com/PHUPvVa.png 17:48 nalkri Obsidian is renewable with Nether mod :D 17:50 Uberi btw, vmanip data table seems to have undefined behavior when a key is nil 17:52 Jordach JESUS CHRIST 17:52 Jordach i found the source image to the Minecraft Test image 17:52 Jordach \o/ 17:52 Jordach http://onlyhdwallpapers.com/wallpaper/sunset_clouds_landscapes_nature_grass_fields_sunlight_digital_desktop_2560x1600_hd-wallpaper-1007538.jpg vs http://mg.viewskew.com/u/starblessed/m/minecraft-test/ 17:53 VanessaE none of the images in the first link resemble the second 17:53 Jordach ignore steve 17:53 Jordach the background is slightly colourised 17:53 DanDuncombe Why is this? forum.minetest.net uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate is only valid for the following names: users.minetest.ru , minetest.ru (Error code: ssl_error_bad_cert_domain) 17:53 VanessaE the site ignored your attempt to direct-link to the image file. 17:53 Jordach VanessaE, well fuck 17:53 Jordach Vadtec, http://onlyhdwallpapers.com/nature/sunset-clouds-landscapes-nature-grass-fields-sunlight-digital-desktop-hd-wallpaper-1007538/ 17:53 Jordach better, had to backpedal 17:54 VanessaE indeed so 17:54 VanessaE an exact match 17:54 PilzAdam Jordach, we are getting somewhere :-) 17:54 Jordach what are the chances 17:57 DanDuncombe Has someone done something to the forum because I was on it 5 minutes ago? 17:58 VanessaE Jordach: my husband and I have many beautiful High quality images on wikipedia/wikimedia if you need something comparable to that 17:58 VanessaE (and they're all cc-by-sa) 17:58 PilzAdam DanDuncombe, why do you connect to it with https? 17:58 DanDuncombe Do I 17:58 DanDuncombe How can I not do that? 17:59 PilzAdam connect via normal http 17:59 DanDuncombe how? 18:00 PilzAdam just remove the s 18:00 DanDuncombe I did and I got the same message and the thing at the top had switched back to https 18:01 Uberi do I need to do anything with the voxmanip to free the emerged blocks? 18:01 PilzAdam Uberi, no, just write_to_map() 18:01 Uberi in other words, do the emerged blocks stay stuck as emerged and need to be unloaded manually? 18:01 Uberi PilzAdam: what if I'm just doing reading? 18:02 PilzAdam then just do nothing 18:02 Uberi ah thanks 18:15 pehjota DanDuncombe: The cert I get has a subject CN of "forum.minetest.net" and is valid beginning on 2013-07-20 00:24:42 UTC. Maybe you got an older cert? 18:17 Jordach VanessaE, take a look 18:18 VanessaE at? 18:19 Jordach your images 18:19 * Jordach is back from the thing that cleans 18:19 VanessaE oh, I figured you'd just search wikimedia commons. look for "Abe Ezekowitz" and also me. 18:21 PilzAdam hmm.. there are no results when searching for "Vennassa" 18:22 PilzAdam (and no, I wont stop this anytime soon :-p) 18:23 * Jordach considers slapping PilzAdam with 6.72mm rounds 18:23 Jordach s/slapping/peppering 18:23 Jordach pew pew pew 18:26 VanessaE PilzAdam: pet peeve of mine. my name is fucking spelled out right here in IRC and everywhere else it appears. If someone can't even get *that* right, they need to go back to school and learn to read :P 18:27 PilzAdam I suggest you to add an extra highlight for Vennassa or you wont get any messages from me anymore :-p 18:27 * Jordach considers hunting PilzAdam down 18:28 VanessaE in that case I will simply ignore said messages :P 18:29 Jordach VanessaE, http://imgur.com/gallery/KUiTpJf 18:29 Jordach !title 18:29 MinetestBot Jordach: There are miracles happening at Walmart! - Imgur 18:30 Jordach in other news: http://i.imgur.com/d9IWLzs.jpg <- PilzAdam 18:30 Calinou +1 for GIMP 18:30 Jordach 2.6.12 to be exact 18:30 Jordach i hate the export feature 18:31 PilzAdam it requires a lot more works 18:31 PilzAdam -s 18:32 Calinou pressing E instead of S 18:33 PilzAdam Calinou, and 3 more clicks when closing GIMP because you havent saved yet 18:34 VanessaE PilzAdam: or just ctrl-Q, click once to close all 18:34 Calinou yep 18:34 VanessaE (or shift-ctrl-W to close all without quitting) 18:34 VanessaE hardly more clicks/keystrokes, but their decision to split save vs. export was just stupid 18:35 Calinou the GNU weight® 18:35 VanessaE (that and export-overwriting an image on the first save should not ask you a ton of questions) 18:43 Jordach lol, netsplit 18:47 Jordach PilzAdam, http://i.imgur.com/McBvBQz.jpg 18:47 Jordach still not perfect 18:51 Jordach ooh shit 18:51 Jordach system froze D: 18:51 Jordach john_minetest, i've had a portal 2 chell for a VERY LONG TIME 18:51 Megaf_ where can I get this mod folks? http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Mods/More_Blocks 18:51 Jordach https://github.com/calinou/calinou_mods 18:52 Jordach !title 18:52 MinetestBot Jordach: Calinou/calinou_mods · GitHub 18:52 Jordach Megaf_, that link 18:52 Jordach john_minetest, http://i.imgur.com/SfblUEx.png 18:52 Jordach look at the skin list 18:53 Jordach john_minetest, http://i.imgur.com/tXIEfuL.png 18:56 Jordach john_minetest, you're adopted 18:56 Jordach s/john_minetest/PilzAdam/ 19:00 Jordach Oh I like this guy. 19:01 Jordach and caught off guard by my rotating wallpaper 19:01 Jordach got a screamer type image 19:03 hoodedice Hello 19:04 Calinou ##uno 19:04 Jordach john_minetest, artillery + combustible lemons 19:04 Calinou anyone wants to play uno? :p 19:04 hoodedice Question1. What makes 3d objects buggy 19:04 hoodedice ? 19:04 Calinou buggy? 19:04 hoodedice laggy 19:05 hoodedice as in the carts mod 19:05 hoodedice or the helicopter, or the airship mod 19:05 Calinou ask the way minetest is networked 19:05 hoodedice And yes, I am talking about minetest here 19:05 Calinou this is a problem that always happens 19:05 hoodedice networked. As in? 19:05 Calinou insane lag when a server is started for a while 19:05 hoodedice Lag between the server and client? 19:06 Calinou well, the devs decided to write their own UDP network stack 19:06 Calinou yes 19:06 hoodedice I'm talking about singlelayer. Theoretically, there should be no lag 19:06 Jordach Calinou, there should be blackjack and texas hold'em 19:06 Calinou hoodedice, try typing a dummy command such as /l 19:06 Calinou and notice the delay between you type it and you get "invalid command" 19:07 hoodedice In IRC? 19:07 Calinou no in-game 19:07 hoodedice I'm not getting any sort of 'invalid command' 19:08 hoodedice hmm. wait a bit 19:08 Calinou hoodedice, then you are lagging 19:09 hoodedice Instant. 19:09 hoodedice with no mods. 19:12 hoodedice Hmm, that's weird 19:13 hoodedice So, you are basically saying that to implement PIlzAdam's carts roperly, one much have a powerful PC? 19:13 Yepoleb VanessaE: Have you been working on the fluid storage tanks? 19:14 VanessaE no 19:15 hoodedice Hey Calinou, I tried it out, and I get no lag 19:15 Calinou_ hoodedice, try carts at the same moment 19:15 Calinou_ and see if the game starts lagging 19:16 hoodedice I was at 5 FPS. Will try with carts... 19:17 Calinou FPS? then it isn't lag 19:18 hoodedice FPS has no relation with 3D lag? weird. 19:18 hoodedice @john I did that 19:18 Calinou "3D lag" no. 19:18 Calinou also get better hardware 19:18 hoodedice Dude, @John I know that 19:19 hoodedice C2D 'is recommended' 19:19 hoodedice Full view? 19:20 Calinou make sure full view range is off, yeah 19:20 Calinou hoodedice, talking about your graphics card 19:20 hoodedice Peeps. It could be that I am running PilzAdam's build 19:20 hoodedice I dont know 19:20 Calinou you can have a 3970X and use llvmpipe, which gives you 20 FPS 19:21 Calinou disable shaders if you have a slow/old graphics card 19:21 hoodedice I have an Intel GPU 19:21 hoodedice See, Its not about me 19:21 hoodedice eole complain that 3D mods lag in general 19:21 hoodedice *people 19:21 Calinou lag != low fps 19:21 Calinou john_minetest, the recent ones are decent 19:21 hoodedice I dont care about lag on my end 19:21 Calinou but the ones before the sandy bridge gen are pathetic 19:22 Calinou and you are using one of these 19:22 hoodedice That's what everyone says 19:22 Calinou hoodedice, if the entities weren't 3D, it would lag too 19:22 Calinou this isn't reddit, there is no karma system 19:22 hoodedice Now, what I really wanted to ask is: 19:22 Calinou no need to confirm fake claims 19:22 Calinou :) 19:22 Calinou john_minetest, intel started supporting hardware T&L in 2006 only :P 19:23 Yepoleb VanessaE: Are the tanks difficult to implement? 19:23 hoodedice I thought that 3D mods were lagging because they were not 'properly imlemented' 19:23 VanessaE Yepoleb: not really, I just haven't felt much like coding lately 19:24 hoodedice What is preventing them from being 'properly implemented'? 19:25 hoodedice Like for shaders, we have the irrlicht alpha crap 19:26 Calinou hoodedice, irrlicht alpha crap? 19:26 hoodedice Yeah, like on one of these forum posts 19:27 hoodedice Someone said that shaders are not easily to implement because irrlicht has some problem with alpha blending or something 19:27 Calinou shaders are already implemented, and they work 19:27 Calinou use a proper graphics card that supports them :P 19:28 DanDuncombe I can't work out what they actually do 19:28 Yepoleb would it be possible to port the minecraft shader packs to minetest? 19:28 Calinou Yepoleb, not at all 19:28 hoodedice Yes, they do, and under my GPU, they work 19:28 Calinou you would have to rewrite them entirely and hope it's possible 19:28 DanDuncombe I see no visual difference between shaders on and shaders off. 19:28 Calinou DanDuncombe, then your card doesn't support them 19:28 Calinou shaders make top faces of blocks brighter, which looks much better, and smoothens day-night transitions. 19:29 Yepoleb Aren't they GLSL shaders? 19:29 hoodedice It does that to me, but I turn it off because it looks ugly 19:29 DanDuncombe Well, in Ubuntu I get extreme lag but no visual difference, in Windows I have the red colour bug. 19:30 Calinou they are, but you can't port them as-is 19:30 Calinou ugly? you have a weird definition of ugly, IMO :P 19:30 Calinou it looks way better 19:32 Yepoleb would it be more work to port or rewrite them? 19:32 DanDuncombe Apparently I have visited the Minetest Forums 7,315 times 19:33 Calinou Yepoleb, a ton of work, if it's even possible 19:33 Calinou DanDuncombe, how do you know 19:33 Calinou DanDuncombe, red colour bug = you're using Direct3D 19:33 Calinou shaders only work with OpenGL 19:34 Yepoleb why shouldn't it be possible? 19:36 hoodedice Clainou? 19:36 hoodedice *Calinou? 19:37 Calinou stained Clainou 19:37 Calinou :> 19:37 hoodedice Hmm, yeah 19:37 hoodedice So what prevents 3D mods to be 'implemented properly'? 19:37 hoodedice https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6648 19:38 Jordach Stained Clay is a ripoff of unified bricks 19:45 hoodedice ... 19:45 hoodedice Okay, we'll skip to Question2. 19:46 hoodedice Would minetest run any faster/be any lighter, if it had its own game engine instead of irrlicht? 19:46 Jordach minetest IS A GAME ENGINE 19:47 Jordach and it's as light as possible afaik 19:47 Calinou it wouldn't, hoodedice, irrlicht is pretty efficient and fast already 19:48 Calinou you're using 6 year old hardware that never was targeted at gaming, remember 19:48 Calinou oh also, if you're using windows vista or 7, disable "aero" 19:48 Calinou this will give you better FPS 19:48 Jordach 60fps with aero 19:49 Calinou it still reduces your FPS like any kind of desktop effects 19:53 Jordach prepare yourselves, netsplits are coming 20:02 Calinou VanessaE, you ninja'd me on the protection problem topic :P 20:04 VanessaE heg 20:04 VanessaE heh 20:05 sfan5| hi 20:05 Calinou hi 20:05 Megaf folks, any idea of what the minimum hardware requirements would be to host 15 players? 20:05 McBrutal hello 20:06 VanessaE Megaf: a supercomputer :P 20:06 Calinou you would need ~200 KB/s of upload + download bandwidth, a decent dual core CPU, 2GB of RAM 20:06 Calinou should do 20:06 VanessaE (really though, don't even consider running anything remotely heavy on commodity hardware - keep it light and pretty much anything recent will do) 20:06 Calinou I said kilobytes, not bits, remember 20:06 McBrutal I'm looking for help to install no-ip on linux to run a private minetest server. 20:07 Calinou you don't need to install it, McBrutal 20:07 McBrutal ubuntu 20:07 Calinou personally I would rather advise freedns.afraid.org 20:07 Calinou you can create shorter domains, and they don't expire 20:07 VanessaE freedns.afraid.org \o/ 20:07 McBrutal nice 20:07 Yepoleb ^ 20:08 Megaf sou a quadcore Xeon with 10mbps would do 20:08 VanessaE Megaf: plenty 20:08 Calinou you can make a 10 letter subdomain fairly easily 20:08 Calinou Megaf, 10 actual mbps? 20:08 Calinou try with speedtest or something like that 20:08 VanessaE Megaf: just don't run anything too heavy unless you're prepared to deal with mapgen lag and the like 20:08 Megaf Calinou, yep 20:08 sfan5| or try duckdns.org 20:08 McBrutal anyone else having trouble getting the classes mod to work? 20:08 McBrutal im hoping to make a sort of rpg pvp server 20:09 McBrutal the skins mod seems to be buggy too 20:10 nalkri Skins mod works badly with 3d armour I think 20:10 McBrutal I would just like it to work or classes 20:11 McBrutal classes because of different attributes but skins allow the girls in my guild to be themselves 20:11 Yepoleb how can i list all possible config values? 20:12 sfan5| see defaultsettings.cpp 20:15 McBrutal has anyone had success making a rpg pvp server? If I can build something of sorts like that, I think my group would be pretty happy playing 20:17 Megaf this duckdns doesnt work 20:17 Megaf I cant even login to their web page 20:19 thexyz use freedns 20:19 thexyz http://freedns.afraid.org/ 20:20 McBrutal which domain type do I want? 20:20 McBrutal im there now signing up 20:21 Megaf im already a no-ip user... however, Id like to test some other options 20:27 hoodedice He;;o 20:27 hoodedice Hello 20:29 hoodedice Calinou? 20:29 jin_xi shit, so i'm playing nethack and find a wand of wishing on turn 63 20:30 Calinou hoodedice, ? 20:30 hoodedice So yeah lets continue 20:30 hoodedice So I dont care about lag and stuff 20:30 hoodedice on my end 20:31 hoodedice Your last messages indicate that the sole reason for lag is poor hardware. Done. 20:31 hoodedice And that irrlicht is awesome as it is. 20:31 Calinou there is lag and low FPS 20:31 Calinou lag is when you do something, there's a delay between doing something and something actually accounting it 20:31 hoodedice Lag = Latency between what should be processed at said time, and actual time of processing it. 20:31 Calinou low FPS is when your hardware can't keep up, or (rarely) there's a problem in the way a game draws stuff 20:32 hoodedice Low FPS = latency in seeing stuff and when you should actually be seeing it, right? 20:32 hoodedice wow. Didnt see you typing :P 20:32 hoodedice Ok, we got that clear. 20:33 hoodedice So the only way to reduce said processing lag is to get a faster CPU. 20:33 Calinou you said there wasn't processing lag, and in this case, your CPU isn't the limiting factor 20:33 hoodedice Faster than an i3 because my brother has one and it still lags #joke 20:33 Calinou it's the GPU and you have a very weak one 20:33 hoodedice hmm 20:33 Calinou no need to be offensive :P 20:33 hoodedice Yes. 20:34 hoodedice You are not being offensive 20:34 hoodedice And I'm not one to be offended. 20:34 hoodedice (Like the other Satr Blessed something guy :P) 20:34 hoodedice Star 20:34 Calinou intel started making semi-decent IGPs since sandy bridge, the ones they made before really sucked 20:35 hoodedice Well my brother has an i3, and my dad has an i3. 20:35 Calinou they've been improving quite a lot now 20:35 hoodedice We played minetest on both of them 20:35 Calinou which i3 exactly? do they use an IGP, or a dedicated card? 20:35 Calinou some i3s use slower IGPs than others 20:35 sapier1 i3 is quite a slow cpu especialy if you don't have a dedicated graphics card 20:35 Calinou eg. 3220 has an HD2500, the 3225 has a way faster HD4000 20:35 hoodedice And the difference is like between a P4 and a supercomputer 20:35 Calinou sapier1, wrong 20:35 Calinou i3 is a very fast dual core 20:36 hoodedice Quad core. 20:36 sapier1 no it isn't 20:36 Calinou no, dual core + HT 20:36 Calinou sapier1, of course if you compare it to quad cores, it will suck 20:36 hoodedice The problem with my bro is the motherboard, methinks 20:36 Calinou but it's a very efficient dual core 20:36 hoodedice ASRock. 20:36 Calinou what does a motherboard have to do with performance? 20:36 hoodedice I/O 20:36 sapier1 I compare it to other cpu's of same generation and i3 is low end it's age 20:36 hoodedice I used to have a P4 20:37 hoodedice The old gigabyte mboard busted 20:37 hoodedice So I shifted it to some Korean Pile of junk 20:37 sapier1 ok comparing tp a p4 i3 is a gigantic fast cpu :-) 20:37 Calinou I/O? even on a 50 euro mobo you won't be limited by that... 20:37 Calinou sapier1, i3 is actually mid end 20:37 hoodedice And it was bottled like crap 20:37 Calinou celerons and pentiums being low end, i5 and i7s being high end 20:38 hoodedice Okay, whatever. 20:38 hoodedice Lets just end this. 20:38 hoodedice Is there any way to improve 3D in minetest? 20:39 sapier1 of you think so calinou ... to me celerons and pentiums are "generate money from waste" products :-) 20:39 hoodedice Celerons and Pentiums 20:39 hoodedice Intall Xubuntu on them 20:39 Calinou no? 20:39 hoodedice They'll match with C2Ds in performance 20:39 Calinou you can use xubuntu on a PC that has an i7 too 20:39 hoodedice Yes. 20:39 Calinou a celeron G1610 is as good as a C2D E8400 20:40 Calinou but it has way lower power usage, but cannot be overclocke 20:40 Calinou +d 20:40 Calinou sapier1, you clearly never used a recent celeron 20:40 sapier1 I said same generation :-) 20:40 hoodedice And I was surprised when this 1.6 GHz dual core celeron ran NFS MW at high graphics. 20:40 Calinou they intentionally give it a bad name so that few people buy it :P 20:40 Calinou the CPU does most of the job, remember 20:40 Calinou GPU* 20:41 sapier1 no I don't have any use for intel value devices as intel keeps disabling important features for those 20:42 sapier1 all desktop cpu currently sold have more than enough power for almost everything ... but e.g. virtualization features aren't present on intel low end cpus 20:43 sapier1 amd's cpu power is out of comparison true ... but even cheapest amd supports full feature set 20:43 Calinou blame intel's segmentation then 20:43 hoodedice okay last question. 20:43 Calinou AMD provides good multithread performance, sapier1, but there are still way too many lazy programmers around 20:44 hoodedice I want to help dev minetest engine 20:44 sapier1 yea hav a look at minetest :) 20:44 hoodedice But I have absolutely NO programming background 20:44 Calinou then you can't 20:44 hoodedice Where do I start? 20:44 Calinou you need to code for 10 years to be good 20:44 Megaf Calinou, VanessaE, so, 110 KB/s of UP, 1200 KB/s Down, 280 MB of ram and Pentium II will not do a good server 20:44 nalkri s/10/100/ 20:44 hoodedice 10 years? 20:44 Calinou instead, you can translate to your language, or find and report bugs 20:45 VanessaE Megaf: not really, no 20:45 Calinou Megaf, kilobytes? that's a bit low 20:45 sapier1 at least hoodedice 20:45 Calinou erm 20:45 Calinou pentium II? 20:45 hoodedice Can't see any indians around 20:45 VanessaE not if you want lots of capabilities on your server. 20:45 sapier1 you can do small things that need to be done too of course 20:45 hoodedice Nor that I like my lingo anyway 20:45 Megaf I just want a vanilla server, no mods 20:45 Megaf and up to 10 players 20:45 VanessaE Megaf: that's probably *just* enough for vanilla 20:45 Megaf its a deticated server 20:45 VanessaE you may wanna put a bit more RAM in if yo ucan 20:45 Megaf I just want to give that old sucked an use 20:46 hoodedice Switch to some debian based Linux. 20:46 hoodedice @Megaf 20:46 Calinou lubuntu is very lightweight 20:46 Calinou but it won't do much anyway 20:46 Megaf hoodedice, it is running Debian already, with no X11 20:46 Menche i use vanilla debian 7.0 on mine 20:46 Menche no X 20:46 sapier1 I guess ubuntu is slowly dieing atm 20:46 Calinou it isn't, sapier1 20:46 Menche yay 20:46 hoodedice Ubuntu may be 20:46 Calinou it has less market share than before. but it still has a lot 20:47 hoodedice But not its offsprings 20:47 Calinou and you are free to use ubuntu derivatives 20:47 hoodedice And I dont think many end users (who aint devs) would switch over some Amazon thingy or Mir or whatever 20:47 sapier1 maybe calinou but I don't think it's been wise to get almost any major project in open source world as enemy 20:48 Calinou there is no better compromise than *buntus currently, imo 20:49 sapier1 I've switched to debian I couldn't use any of ubuntus special features ... they've been absolutely useless since they made unity to default desktop 20:49 Calinou debian does not care about recent software, or graphics stack 20:49 Calinou they don't care about wifi working either 20:49 Calinou or end users not all being geeks 20:50 sapier1 of course ... but end users shall use cloud services on their tabs 20:50 hoodedice Debian is happy that way 20:50 Peacock mouhaha, griefers came back today, but i had a surprise waiting :D 20:50 hoodedice I don't know why they still call it Debian 20:50 sapier1 debian is working that's the major difference while ubuntu isn't most fresh software is worth nothing if you can't even run it 20:51 Calinou changing your brand image when it is bad? NEVER!!!! 20:51 Calinou 20:51 hoodedice I mean, Ian broke up with his girlfriend right? 20:51 Calinou >debian >working 20:51 Calinou tried to install it on a laptop once, installer froze because _ethernet_ needed firmware 20:51 hoodedice You must be using ubuntu rolling 20:51 Calinou no I'm using xubuntu 13.04 20:51 hoodedice Switch to stable 20:51 Calinou sadly there's no rolling release 20:51 Peacock heard about the ubuntu forums being hacked? (all accounts/passwords) 20:51 hoodedice No ubuntu rolling @sapier 20:52 hoodedice @Peacock 20:52 sapier1 I used ubuntu LTS amd they didn't even manage to get this version stable 20:52 Calinou ubuntu is very fresh software 20:52 McBrutal anyone know where the install folder is for ubuntu? I want to add mods but its different from windows lol 20:52 hoodedice Xubuntu LTS had a prob with Simle scan 20:52 Calinou any distro, except arch, claiming to be more recent is false, or wrong, or both 20:52 Calinou McBrutal, how did you install minetest? 20:52 Menche McBrutal: ~/.minetest/mods/ 20:52 hoodedice Search for .minetest in home 20:52 hoodedice It will be hidden 20:52 Calinou should be ~/.minetest/mods 20:52 Calinou except if you installed run_in_place 20:52 Peacock http://www.zdnet.com/ubuntu-forums-hacked-1-82m-logins-email-addresses-stolen-7000018336/ 20:53 Menche create the "mods" folder if it doesn't exist 20:53 sapier1 I don't have any experience with arch but I just can't imagine a roling release distribution will ever run except for main usecase 20:53 hoodedice Too many ees tying too fast :P 20:53 McBrutal yeah, I used the software installer 20:53 hoodedice *peeps 20:53 hoodedice software installer? As in Ubuntu Software center? 20:53 hoodedice or Launchpad? 20:54 McBrutal USC 20:54 hoodedice I'm on Windows atm, can someone check what the latest version on ubuntu is? 20:54 McBrutal I have no idea where its putting installs 20:54 hoodedice in any case 20:54 sapier1 13.04 20:55 hoodedice Navigate to home via Nautilus, or whatever explorer you have on ubuntu 20:55 Calinou McBrutal, USC is heavily outdated on most games 20:55 Calinou don't use it 20:55 sapier1 and next ubuntu will be 13.10 ;-) 20:55 hoodedice Search around for a way to view hidden folders 20:55 Calinou install and compile by hand, or use a PPA 20:55 hoodedice Then navigate to .minetest 20:55 hoodedice Enjoy 20:55 Menche ctrl-h shows hidden files on most file managers 20:55 Calinou ^ 20:55 Calinou night now, bye 20:56 hoodedice Use this 20:56 hoodedice https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/stable/+packages 20:56 hoodedice to download for Ubuntu 20:56 Peacock lol poor griefer gave up after 10 minutes 20:56 Peacock (and being shot like a dog twelve times :P) 20:57 Megaf Peacock, what mod is that? 20:57 Peacock jordan's turret 20:58 Peacock modified, and epic 21:00 Peacock the original code shot at it's own owner :/ lol 21:23 Kacey http://pastebin.com/G8xHByGU 21:27 VanessaE "moretubesilter.lua" <-- what's an "ilter"? :P 21:28 Kacey the file is moretubes/filter.lua 21:28 VanessaE you've just got a bad byte in the file then 21:28 Kacey maybe i put a / where a \ is needed 21:28 VanessaE because that's coming back as 0x0c embedded into the filename 21:29 Menche windows and it's silly backslashes... 21:29 Megaf windows is silly 21:30 Megaf silly and shitty, if I can say that 21:30 nalkri All known OSes are silly 21:30 nalkri And shitty 21:30 Kacey yep it was a wrong slash... 21:37 hdastwb Here's a pull request that would let technic stuff visually connect to tubes, if anyone is interested: https://github.com/RealBadAngel/technic/pull/62 21:49 PilzAdam https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/835 good that the sahde bug is fixed 21:49 PilzAdam I mean, sahde was always a core feature of Minetest 22:01 VanessaE speak of the devil 22:05 ben_ o_o 22:06 ben_ anyone here that can answer a quick question about the program? 22:06 Peacock pose your question, i can't garantee ill know the answer though 22:07 PilzAdam ben_, http://minetest.net/irc read the first rule 22:07 ben_ it's about me and my someone else are trying to join in to a local server but when i try to connect it states "too many people 22:07 ben_ ooooooooooooooooook, my bad 22:08 Peacock dont mind him :p 22:08 Peacock too many players? 22:08 Peacock are you in singleplayer or something? 22:08 PilzAdam look at the max_users setting in the mintest.conf of the server 22:08 Kacey ben_, are you sure that it isnt in singleplayer? 22:08 ben_ No, i don't know.... 22:08 ben_ i barely downloaded it 22:08 ben_ so i'm still trying to get the hang of it 22:09 ben_ and thanks pilz adam...will try 22:09 Peacock well if you didn't touch the settings, your prolly in singleplayer 22:09 PilzAdam Peacock, ehm 22:09 ben_ oooooh, well i'm not computer savy 22:10 PilzAdam its unlikely that he runs a singleplayer game 22:10 Peacock then what else could cause it (assuming he hasn't touched settings) ? 22:10 PilzAdam most people dont know the port where the singleplayer game runs on 22:10 Peacock then it wouldn't say "too many players" ? 22:11 PilzAdam ben_, please post the exact error message 22:11 Peacock yes please lol 22:11 ben_ ok, one moment ._. 22:16 ben_ yeah no now i can't even go anywhere 22:17 ben_ ok, but then how do i connect to a multiplayer? 22:18 ben_ i mean i see the public servers but i don't know now how to connect to a local >_< 22:18 PilzAdam just enter the IP of the local server 22:19 ben_ which would be found where? again...sorry but you're talking to a caveman ._. 22:19 PilzAdam how is the setup of your lan? is the server running on a different computer? 22:20 ben_ i have no idea...o_o we're trying to connect via wifi 22:20 PilzAdam is the server running on a different computer? 22:21 ben_ yup 22:21 ben_ i think 22:21 PilzAdam what OS is running on that computer? 22:21 ben_ o_o OS? where's dat? 22:22 Kacey windows, linux? 22:23 ben_ ooooh, hehe stupid question of me...windows 22:23 PilzAdam do you know what a command prompt is? 22:23 ben_ yup 22:24 PilzAdam then type "ipconfig" into it on the server 22:25 ben_ ok 22:26 ben_ which one would it be? Ipv4, subnet mask, default gateway? 22:26 PilzAdam IPv4 22:26 ben_ ok, 22:26 PilzAdam go back to your computer and enter that into Minetest 22:28 ben_ couldn't resolve address 22:28 ben_ ._. 22:28 PilzAdam what is the IP? 22:30 ben_ ._. pilzadam i'm sorry for taking up your time 22:30 ben_ he got distracted 22:30 ben_ ._. going into the pool now 22:30 ben_ ._. 22:30 ben_ sorry 22:31 ben_ thanks though! 23:25 Kacey hey anyone good with making textures? 23:27 sokomine no, sorry. searching people for that as well 23:28 OldCoder Hi 23:28 Kacey hi OC 23:28 OldCoder Kacey, hey! 23:29 OldCoder Let us know if you solve the recent math puzzle 23:30 sokomine hi oldcoder 23:30 OldCoder Hi back! 23:44 Peacock griefers gonna grief lol 23:48 PilzAdam https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=101309#p101309 23:48 PilzAdam lol 23:52 Menche best server in the world 23:54 Peacock 127.0.0.1 lol 23:54 Menche there's no network lag on that one 23:54 Peacock "unique server for every player" 23:59 arsdragonfly absolutely 24/7