IRC log for #minetest, 2013-06-12

Time	Nick	Message
00:11	VanessaE	PilzAdam: I'd try to come up with new sounds to help out but I know how you feel about my general preferences of such stuff
00:11	VanessaE	(too "realistic" etc)
00:14	PilzAdam	bye
00:14	VanessaE	...
00:16	Exio	he missed the trollface
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01:29	Octupus	Hi
01:37	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: digilines and lua controllers are installed now if you wanna sign back in and try them.
01:37	VanessaE	please don't break the server :)
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01:45	ShadowNinja	VanessaE: Have you tried the IRC mod? :-)
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01:49	harrison	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M4gfBNXug4
01:49	khonkhortisan	I go outside and come back in and my game froze :)
01:49	khonkhortisan	Do you want me to attempt to break the server?
01:50	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: no, because it relies on at least one out-of-engine/game library
01:50	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: because I rebooted the server to enable those mods :)
01:51	VanessaE	you break my server I break your head :)
01:51	khonkhortisan	ok, I accept that deal
01:51	ShadowNinja	VanessaE: Yes, LuaSocket. What is so bad about that?
01:52	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: nothing in particular, I just didn'
01:52	VanessaE	didn't feel like installing it :)
01:54	ShadowNinja	Well I rewrote it and added SASL support, among other things. I also have an IRC network set up that you can use. It would be nice if you added it, new_LuaIRC branch.
01:55	VanessaE	hm, nothing for luairc in my system's repository :-/
01:55	VanessaE	oh lua socket, suh
01:55	VanessaE	there it is.
01:55	VanessaE	got a link for the current mod?
01:57	ShadowNinja	VanessaE: It is included. https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-irc/tree/new_LuaIRC
01:57	khonkhortisan	VanessaE, did you know you can have both I+ and UI at the same time?
01:57	VanessaE	nope, wasn't aware of that
01:58	khonkhortisan	it's called modmenu - you type /m to get to the inventory_plus tabs - not the best system, but at least you can have both
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02:09	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: requires outside code? meh.
02:09	VanessaE	sorry, not gonna do it.
02:10	VanessaE	(it's nothing on you or kaeza of course)
02:14	ShadowNinja	sigh There isn't any other way. Unless someone adds socket support to the minetest API.
02:19	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: what does I+ add that UI doesn't already have?
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02:37	arsdragonfly	!up arsenalmp.no-ip.org 30002
02:37	MinetestBot	arsenalmp.no-ip.org:30002 is up (488ms)
02:37	ShadowBot	arsdragonfly: arsenalmp.no-ip.org:30002 is up (634ms)
02:42	ShadowNinja	Uh oh.
02:43	ShadowNinja	ShadowBot: stfu
02:43	ShadowBot	ShadowNinja: The operation succeeded.
02:44	arsdragonfly	lol
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02:51	Miner_48er	lamefun try logging in again
02:51	lamefun	I'm compiling 0.4.7 instead of latest git
02:53	VanessaE	currently, both are equal save for some compiler fix for windows boxes.
02:54	khonkhortisan	I+ can have skins
02:55	khonkhortisan	and armor, but that doesn't work with hdx textures yet
02:56	VanessaE	bummer
02:59	khonkhortisan	well anyway, the point is if you see inventory_plus as a dependency, it doesn't mean you can't use a mod
03:03	VanessaE	ah
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03:09	lamefun	why weren't the protocol reliability problems fixed?
03:10	VanessaE	dunno
03:10	VanessaE	probably a matter of coding difficulty
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03:27	khonkhortisan	When I read what somebody says, I add a voice to it even if I've already just read it
03:39	khonkhortisan	Can a privilage be a table? privs = ... worldedit = {fixlight, save}
03:45	VanessaE	no clue
03:46	ShadowNinja	khonkhortisan: I don't know what you mean but I think not.
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04:23	VanessaE	http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2006122013%20-%2012:20:15%20AM.png
04:23	VanessaE	weird.
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05:07	* sokomine	looks innocent
05:07	* sokomine	hides her sheep-collection somewhere
05:08	khonkhortisan	I expect a screenshot to look the same on other people's computers. Is there a texture pack that runs as a mod, or can be installed separately from where the textures actually are?
05:09	sokomine	if other people have installed texture packs on their machines, or if they activated other options (shaders, antialiassing etc) it might look slightly diffrent
05:21	sokomine	i still read you
05:21	sokomine	you where complaining no one was listening to you
05:22	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: edit minetest.conf, texture_path=/home/foo/bar
05:22	VanessaE	for example, texture_path = /home/vanessa/HDX-256px
05:22	VanessaE	if a mod can change that or not, I dunno
05:22	VanessaE	but change that one variable and you change the texture pack you're using
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06:14	lamefun	Why do dug blocks reappear and built blocks disappear on lag?
06:19	khonkhortisan	It thinks it failed
06:19	khonkhortisan	Good night, UGT
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07:22	VanessaE	well that wasn't quite so bad this time around
07:23	* arsdragonfly	guesses half of the ppl here are afk
07:24	VanessaE	probably.
07:24	* VanessaE	just gave her computer an enema.
07:24	VanessaE	Ubuntu 13.04 is out, 12.04 is back in.
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07:27	arsdragonfly	Why?@_@
07:28	arsdragonfly	hoping to get more fps on your server spawn?
07:29	VanessaE	no, irritated at stuff unrelated to MT
07:30	VanessaE	like no proper automount+auto-open of USB mass storage devices
07:30	VanessaE	programs that used to be fast under 12.04 became dog slow under 13.04, etc.
07:30	VanessaE	same old routine as is always the case with a new version of an OS.
07:30	Calinou	upgrading from 12.10 to 13.04 => no slowdown
07:31	arsdragonfly	all right
07:31	Calinou	VanessaE: full SSD? :P
07:31	VanessaE	Calinou: nope.
07:31	VanessaE	another intersting side effect: shaders in MT don't look as "blown out" (overbright) here as under 13.04.
07:32	VanessaE	in fact they look quite acceptable.
07:32	* StarBlessed	switched to 12.10, then 13.04, then 13.10 from 12.04. It just got worse and worse. 12.04 is still king for speed.
07:32	Calinou	probably due to graphic driver
07:32	Calinou	13.10?
07:32	VanessaE	so I assumed, yeah
07:32	Calinou	it's not even finished
07:32	Calinou	StarBlessed: unity got much faster in 13.04 btw
07:32	StarBlessed	Yes, but who uses Unity? ;)
07:32	Calinou	some people do
07:33	* StarBlessed	grins
07:33	StarBlessed	Yeah, Im only playing. I still use MATE or Xfce4.
07:33	Calinou	don't know what's wrong with 13.04 anyawy
07:33	Calinou	anyway*, it is just as fast as 12.10 for me
07:33	Calinou	and 12.04 (when I used lubuntu for a bit)
07:33	VanessaE	also interesting: dropped items are not overly bright here either.
07:34	VanessaE	(but under 13.04 they were very bright, almost white in some cases)
07:34	StarBlessed	I prefer the flexibility. 12.04 is, and will continue to be my version of choice until they get 14.04 up to scratch
07:34	VanessaE	(ditto for the wield model)
07:34	* arsdragonfly	uses lubuntu 13.04
07:34	Calinou	enjoy your 1 year old software :P
07:34	* StarBlessed	uses Mint Maya
07:35	arsdragonfly	to me, the new versions just get nicer in looks :-P
07:36	StarBlessed	Hehe! I like MATE. It doesnt change its looks. Its gnome 2 through and through
07:36	Calinou	MATE, the windows XP of linuxÂ®
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07:44	VanessaE	heh
07:57	StarBlessed	Hmpf.
07:58	StarBlessed	I may be using an older OS, but at least Openshot doesnt crash every time I hit play.
07:59	StarBlessed	:P @ Calinou who has already left. The emotional equivalent of flipping the bird at a closed door.
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08:02	VanessaE	haha
08:06	StarBlessed	:P @ you too VanessaE ... Just because you lol'd me.
08:06	VanessaE	:P
08:06	StarBlessed	;q
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08:12	VanessaE	oops
08:12	StarBlessed	lol
08:12	VanessaE	focus follows mouse, not eyes :)
08:13	StarBlessed	you need google glass :P
08:14	VanessaE	no thanks :)
08:23	VanessaE	bbl, bedtime
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08:23	StarBlessed	okies :)
08:28	JamesTait	Good morning all, happy Day Against Child Labour and happy Loving Day! :-D
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08:59	deasanta	anyone know of a way to set the interpolation speed when moving an entity using move_to( ?
09:00	Calinou	nope, interpolation is hardcoded
09:00	deasanta	future request?
09:00	deasanta	limits set by engine?
09:01	deasanta	tnx
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09:41	StarBlessed	Have a good night folks :)
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10:57	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
10:59	Exio	hi dictator
10:59	Exio	i mean, PilzAdam
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11:25	Danielamallocci	ciao a tutti
11:27	Danielamallocci	!list
11:29	PilzAdam	Danielamallocci, ?
11:29	Danielamallocci	si
11:29	Danielamallocci	?
11:30	Danielamallocci	!list
11:31	PilzAdam	Danielamallocci, a bit command "!list" does not exist
11:31	PilzAdam	*bot
11:32	Danielamallocci	bot
11:32	PilzAdam	bbl
11:32	Danielamallocci	?
11:33	Danielamallocci	BOT
11:33	Danielamallocci	I don't speak english
11:34	Danielamallocci	I'm italian
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11:53	PilzAdam	Danielamallocci, this is an English channel
11:53	Danielamallocci	sorry
11:53	Danielamallocci	i don't know italian channel
12:01	sfan5	hi
12:02	Exio	hi sfan5
12:12	pandaro	Danielamallocci: hi i'm italian
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12:25	mitori	hello everyone
12:25	PilzAdam	hi
12:27	mitori	so
12:28	mitori	PilzAdam, i heard you had some more commentaries on the sounds?
12:28	PilzAdam	yep
12:29	PilzAdam	3 little things: 1) less bass in dug_node 2) make dig_cracky more "hitting" (like place_hard) 3) a bit less bass in grass_footstep
12:29	PilzAdam	dig_cracky could be a bit more like your original sound
12:30	PilzAdam	also, I normalized all your sounds to -3dB and made them all to mono
12:30	mitori	alright
12:30	mitori	where can i take them?
12:30	PilzAdam	https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/tree/sounds_mito2
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12:35	mitori	are grass_footstep mine in this branch?
12:36	PilzAdam	yes
12:37	mitori	they don't so so... alright, commiting the changes
12:37	mitori	they don't sound so*
12:37	PilzAdam	well, I normalized them to -3dB, but nothing else
12:39	mitori	ok. commiting is done, will you merge them now?
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12:41	* Taoki	pokes mitori. Has someone close by that name... wonders if by chance you're that mitori, though IIRC she doesn't know MineTest
12:41	Zeg9	mitori: in dwarves, one can click "back" and craft 3x3 stuff without a workbench
12:42	mitori	Zeg9 i know. but i'm not doing anything about this because 3x3 is okay. i will only turn off 2x2 by default. thank you for reminding me
12:42	Zeg9	That way is good too :)
12:43	mitori	Taoki, no. where are you from? maybe then I can tell you with about 99% accuracy
12:43	Taoki	mitori: I'm MirceaKitsune. If you don't know that name either it's prolly not the same person then
12:44	mitori	well. i know you from forums (and i knew before that taoki = mirceakitsune) :D
12:44	* svuorela	hates that name, MirceaKitsune.
12:44	Taoki	ok. Prolly not the same person then.
12:44	Taoki	svuorela: Which name?
12:44	mitori	who is that mitori of yours? ;)
12:45	svuorela	my irc client hilights me when MirceaKitsune is mentioned. :)
12:45	svuorela	I guess I should adjust it.
12:45	Taoki	ahh
12:45	PilzAdam	mitori, would it be possible to make dig_cracky a bit more "clean" (i.e. remove the "hollow" effect)?
12:45	mitori	let me see...
12:45	Taoki	mitori: She's a close frieend from what I can say here. Since it's nt a common name, I was surprised when I saw someone with it here :)
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12:47	mitori	she? cool. yeahm i wouldn't call that a common name either. but i haven't seen anybody with it (well, except for myself)
12:48	mitori	PilzAdam, i don't think so.
12:51	mitori	well, i played around for a bit
12:51	mitori	PilzAdam, i will now commit and you'll see for yourself
12:51	Taoki	Wanted to make a suggestion, but thought to ask first: Can tool items (such as pickaxes, etc.) be given a specific swing / refire rate? Which can also affect the swing animation and how frequntly that tool hits / digs, not just the strength it does it with
12:51	PilzAdam	oh, wait I have messed up the sounds
12:52	Taoki	I know that some pickaxes dig faster / slower than others, but the visual animation and dig sound is always the same
12:52	Taoki	Any way to tweak that?
12:52	PilzAdam	Taoki, I dont see a problem in that
12:53	Taoki	Yeah. Was wondering if the feature already exists, to define that as an item parameter in LUA
12:53	Taoki	The swing rate & speed
12:53	PilzAdam	no, the speed is hardcoded in camera.cpp
12:54	Taoki	ok. Might consider adding a parameter for that, not sure
12:55	PilzAdam	mitori, ok, pushed everything to my branch (https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/tree/sounds_mito2), do you want to look through it to see if I messed something up?
12:55	mitori	alright. sounds like a good idea to me
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12:58	deasanta	is there a good way documented anywhere to work with entities? - im receiving a lot of these messages when moving in and out of areas "ServerEnvironment::deactivateFarObjects(): id=230 m_static_exists=true but static data doesn't actually exist in (20,0,-52)"
12:58	PilzAdam	deasanta, what Minetest version do you use?
12:58	deasanta	4.7 mingw
12:59	deasanta	0.4.7. srry
12:59	PilzAdam	what mods do you use (only the ones that add entities are important)?
12:59	deasanta	your simple mobs and my own
12:59	deasanta	both do it
13:00	mitori	PilzAdam, looks (sounds) fine, but i have this weird bug: sometimes when i placed a block sound would go only into my left ear, but wouldn't go to the right. dunno if somebody have said about it already. sometimes when i place a block it happens, sometimes it doesn't . so, i think it's a code problem. so it's all good with sounds, i'm looking forward to seeing it upstream then.
13:01	PilzAdam	mitori, never head of that bug
13:01	deasanta	are the sound mono - single channel?
13:02	PilzAdam	deasanta, this should be fixed in 0.4.7 AFAIK
13:02	PilzAdam	need to test it myself
13:02	mitori	i just spawned in a new world, creatie mode, took cobblestone and went on building
13:02	mitori	without stopping
13:02	mitori	just creating a line
13:02	Zeg9	I had this sound problem, then I re-plugged my speakers :p
13:02	deasanta	tnx - ill get a later one and try again - saw vanessa ad someone discuss it a few days ago
13:02	PilzAdam	mitori, since the basic sounds are done, here is a todo list if you want to work further (you dont have to, but would be nice if you do): https://gist.github.com/PilzAdam/5765036
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13:03	deasanta	thanks pilz - will try the latest build
13:03	deasanta	thanks pilzadam - will try the latest build
13:03	mitori	i was thinking about doing this "add some missing sounds (e.g. dirt_footstep)" and add a sound for sand
13:04	* Zeg9	would love a dirt-breaking sound
13:04	PilzAdam	hmm.. cant reproduce the sound bug, I have placed over 150 cobble now
13:05	PilzAdam	mitori, the first one in the list is the most important for me, since I dislike the same "plop" sound for all nodes
13:06	PilzAdam	mitori, I ask VanessaE to check the branch too and then I commit to upstream
13:06	mitori	PilzAdam that's a good thing you can't reproduce the bug. i'll keep that preference in mind.
13:07	mitori	why?
13:07	PilzAdam	unlike some people think, I dont commit things on my own
13:07	PilzAdam	and for minetest_game I usually ask VanessaE to check it
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13:17	mitori	why Vanessa?
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13:47	PilzAdam	mitori, because the other devs dont really care about minetest_game
13:47	mitori	O_o
13:47	mitori	that's new
13:48	mitori	btw i've done the dug_node_sand
13:50	PilzAdam	can you do that for other materials too (like dirt, wood)?
13:50	PilzAdam	although I guess wood could use the same as stone
13:53	mitori	i did for dirt
13:57	PilzAdam	bbl
13:58	mitori	bye
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14:52	KikaRz	Hello
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14:56	KikaRz	VanessaE, are you there?
14:58	mitori	hi
14:58	KikaRz	Hi mitori.
14:59	KikaRz	what are wool colors available on DEFAULT game ?
15:01	KikaRz	huh=
15:01	KikaRz	?
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15:14	Jordach	omg: a member older than me http://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?id=14
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15:18	* KikaRz	lagtest
15:18	KikaRz	my net is stupid '-'
15:21	Jordach	i know why my pc is malfunctioning
15:21	KikaRz	why?
15:21	Jordach	CMOS battery is flat.
15:21	KikaRz	COOL!
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15:22	Jordach	what was making me think my PC was dying was actually something stupid
15:22	Jordach	when it lost the CMOS Batt. tick it rebooted after death
15:22	Jordach	restoring the tick like a pacemaker
15:25	KikaRz	WOw...
15:26	KikaRz	Jordach, Minetest isn't updated at long time ago
15:26	KikaRz	'-'
15:26	KikaRz	1 week
15:26	KikaRz	'-'
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15:32	KikaRz	I need a new wallet... WITH MONEY 'Â«'
15:32	rubenwardy	Wah!!!!!!!!!!!!!
15:32	rubenwardy	Hi All
15:32	KikaRz	Hi rubenwardy,
15:32	KikaRz	Why you don't set up a mask?
15:33	rubenwardy	Because 1) I am not paranoid
15:33	rubenwardy	2) How the hell do you do it?
15:33	KikaRz	... placing +i flag
15:33	KikaRz	and asking on IRC
15:33	rubenwardy	3) it is also pointless, because you can access me with rubenwardy.no-ip.biz
15:34	KikaRz	ok
15:34	KikaRz	rubenwardy, what are default wool colors in Minetest?
15:35	rubenwardy	erm
15:35	rubenwardy	is this some sort of quiz?
15:35	rubenwardy	do I get a melon?
15:35	KikaRz	No. It's a help to my future mod?
15:35	PilzAdam	rubenwardy, KikaRz is just lazy as usual
15:36	PilzAdam	he wants others to look in wool/init.lua for him
15:36	rubenwardy	Black, Grey, White, Yellow, Orange, Red, Green, Blue, Cyan, Marango or whateber
15:36	KikaRz	PilzAdam, i'm lazy than you.
15:36	KikaRz	*lazier
15:36	KikaRz	Marango?
15:37	KikaRz	PilzAdam, I don't have Minetest here -.-
15:40	Zeg9	there is github too...
15:41	rubenwardy	https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/wool/init.lua
15:41	rubenwardy	magneta
15:42	KikaRz	No Internet.
15:42	Zeg9	How are you talking here then?
15:42	Zeg9	btw, https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/177 << good idea
15:43	KikaRz	Zeg9, problems with network are causing just apps that use some ports are working
15:43	KikaRz	Like, IRC, Skype, Steam.
15:43	KikaRz	Mods are still placed on different folders?
15:44	rubenwardy	white, grey, black, red, yellow, green, cyan, blue, magenta, orange, violet, brown, pink, dark_grey, #dark_green
15:44	rubenwardy	place wool: infront of each
15:44	KikaRz	Thank you rubenwardy. :)
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15:48	hylian	can I turn off shadows? I plant a few trees, and all of a sudden in some spots it's like night time during the day...
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15:48	KikaRz	hylian, I think so...
15:48	BlockMen	hi
15:48	hylian	hello BlockMen
15:48	rubenwardy	you need a hacked client
15:48	rubenwardy	I think
15:48	rubenwardy	you could just use a torch
15:48	PilzAdam	hylian, thats a bug, place a new sapling, when it grows then the shadows go away
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15:49	hylian	thanks PilzAdam
15:49	* Zeg9	just got this error message in dwarves:
15:49	Zeg9	http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?438dfea355b89152#gDOWiWomb/oKnjTAy7DkjZ4c59Ne16+7ob9sq9FONp4=
15:50	hylian	help
15:50	hylian	oops, sorry, meant to type /help
15:50	Zeg9	mitori,^^
15:50	KikaRz	hylian, not here, on the game '-'
15:51	PilzAdam	Zeg9, why do you want people to enable javascript to see a fucking pastein?
15:51	Zeg9	Maybe because it is encrypted?
15:51	* hylian	is thankful to the freenode minetest crew
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15:53	rubenwardy	^ happy custommer sealt with
15:53	rubenwardy	*dealt
15:53	rubenwardy	A first for PA!
15:53	PilzAdam	damn
15:53	rubenwardy	joking :P
15:53	PilzAdam	that goes against my evil masterplan
15:54	rubenwardy	PilzAdam wants to turn minetest into this: http://killscreendaily.com/media/img/articles/et_the_extra-terrestrial.png
15:54	rubenwardy	ET the video game by Attari
15:54	rubenwardy	*-t
15:55	PilzAdam	still too bloated ;-)
15:57	BlockMen	rubenwardy, lol :D
15:57	rubenwardy	Late reaction!
15:57	rubenwardy	:P
15:57	PilzAdam	BlockMen, hi me :-p
15:58	BlockMen	hey, stop adressing myself :P
15:59	KikaRz	Stupid PilzAdam, stop drugging yourself. Nobody wants Minetest like that -.-... -.-
16:00	rubenwardy	that was mean
16:08	KikaRz	rubenwardy... now that I have internet...
16:10	KikaRz	Poor MinetestBot...
16:10	PilzAdam	!up test.net
16:10	ShadowBot	PilzAdam: test.net:30000 seems to be down
16:10	PilzAdam	wow, ShadowBot works
16:12	KikaRz	Yes :)
16:12	mitori	Zeg9, got that error too. don't think it's dwarves problem, rather minetest itself
16:12	KikaRz	No need of MinetestBot!
16:12	KikaRz	!up vanessae.mine.bz
16:12	ShadowBot	KikaRz: vanessae.mine.bz:30000 is up (377ms)
16:12	PilzAdam	mitori, this kind of error is thrown if register_ore() calls are wrong
16:13	PilzAdam	e.g. if the size is too small for the number of ores you want to generate
16:13	mitori	how is this possible?
16:14	PilzAdam	I had this in MiniTest
16:14	PilzAdam	e.g. clust_num_ores is 10 but clust_size is 1
16:14	mitori	what is the optimal difference there can be?
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16:15	PilzAdam	clust_size is the length of one side of a cube, so clust_num_ores shouldnt be higher than clust_size^3
16:17	mitori	so
16:17	mitori	clustnumores >= (clustsize)^3
16:18	PilzAdam	<=
16:20	PilzAdam	it will fail if clust_num_ores > clust_size^3
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16:26	Jordach	OMFG
16:27	Jordach	you should see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA
16:28	PilzAdam	hah!
16:28	PilzAdam	fuck you Microsoft
16:28	Jordach	Sony: Shut up and take my money
16:28	Jordach	To*
16:29	KikaRz	lol.
16:30	Calinou	yeah sure, 5â‚¬/month online play
16:30	Calinou	now you can build a PC with a 4770K and a 780 for cheaper :>
16:30	KikaRz	XBOX: eX-wife from Bill Gates, otherwise, Xheating
16:31	Calinou	you mean eX-wife from Bill gates, Otherwise, Xheating
16:31	Calinou	Xheating lol
16:31	Calinou	sounds like a TDP manager for the X server
16:31	Calinou	(sponsored by AMD)
16:31	KikaRz	Well...
16:32	Jordach	Calinou, i already pay for XBL
16:32	Jordach	so its not different
16:32	Jordach	(for me and PilzAdam)
16:32	Jordach	also: PS4 is not region locked
16:33	KikaRz	(y)
16:33	Jordach	JP games on a EURO PS4
16:33	Jordach	and it works
16:33	PilzAdam	XLive is more than 5â‚¬ per month
16:33	Jordach	yup
16:33	KikaRz	Stupid Microsoft
16:33	PilzAdam	btw: I dont have my XBox anymore
16:33	Calinou	PC gaming ftw
16:33	* Calinou	waves
16:33	* KikaRz	waves to Calinou and says: bye!
16:33	Calinou	KikaRz: >microsoft >not stupid
16:34	KikaRz	Calinou, yes, they are. Who is going to pay for Online Playing?
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16:34	BlockMen	Pc gaming is anyway best. fuck you xbox, wii or ps :P
16:35	PilzAdam	consoles are cool
16:35	KikaRz	I love WII blocked comercials
16:35	KikaRz	*commercials
16:35	KikaRz	*banned
16:35	Jordach	they got pissed on clearly
16:35	PilzAdam	but this "all in one home media device" shit is just wrong
16:36	Calinou	PilzAdam: the PS4 and xbox target families and not youngsters
16:36	Calinou	but again, who will buy them? youngsters. 8)
16:36	PilzAdam	I want to play and not watch TV
16:36	Jordach	s/youngsters/Cod of Duty morons
16:36	Calinou	PilzAdam: what about watching TV while playing?
16:36	BlockMen	PilzAdam, i dont see the pros of consoles. i can do much more on pc than on consoles
16:36	Calinou	this. is. multitaskinggggggg
16:36	KikaRz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Et-q9ZnKoQ
16:36	KikaRz	hahahahah
16:39	rubenwardy	"Microsoft" was named after Bill Gate's sex lif
16:39	rubenwardy	*life
16:40	rubenwardy	Micro-soft!
16:40	Calinou	I'll name YOUR sex life
16:41	BlockMen	You can say about Gates what you want, be seriously, he did it. He was sucessfull with his company..so why making bad jokes?
16:41	rubenwardy	I was joking :p
16:41	rubenwardy	I am using Windows
16:41	Calinou	sucessful by having a monopoly, yeah
16:41	Calinou	it's like saying intel's success is due to their "innovation"
16:42	Calinou	it's just because they're 2 years ahead of AMD, that's all
16:42	BlockMen	so? if you would have a company u would be happy to have a monopoly :P
16:42	Calinou	yes and no
16:42	Calinou	what's the point in having billions of unused money?
16:42	BlockMen	also: monopol will fall someday from alone...its just a matter of time ;)
16:43	Calinou	or not
16:43	Calinou	at least not in a medium term
16:43	rubenwardy	not unused, the africans are having their life improved by it!
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16:43	BlockMen	i dont think that microsoft will dominate the market in 20 year anymore
16:43	rubenwardy	Linux!
16:43	Calinou	BlockMen: android
16:44	BlockMen	and to the money: gates gives alot to others...
16:44	BlockMen	Calinou, maybe...
16:44	BlockMen	or another OS that isnt invented yet :P
16:44	Calinou	BlockMen: he does, but he is not involved in MS anymore
16:44	Calinou	now it is steve ballmer and this guy hasn't donated anything to anyone
16:45	Calinou	not even a mese crystal to jor
16:45	Calinou	Jordach*, aw he left
16:45	BlockMen	but gates has still majority in stocks??
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16:46	Calinou	who cares?
16:46	Calinou	he's not deciding anything now
16:46	Calinou	if he was here I'm sure he'd say "fuck no" to the whole modern UI
16:47	BlockMen	guess so. but its the same like at apple. without jobs it will go down again....
16:47	BlockMen	and so will microsoft
16:47	Calinou	or not
16:47	* Calinou	predicts amazing sales for the 2013 macbook air ._.
16:47	rubenwardy	Jobs did not do much apart from marketing
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16:48	Calinou	so is cook doing
16:48	rubenwardy	the other steve actually designed stuff
16:49	Calinou	steve ballmer?
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16:49	Calinou	he can design stuff, but not successful stuff
16:49	BlockMen	i am kinda sure that apple will go down again. not this year or next year, but in 5+ years. cook has not the spirit of jobs
16:49	BlockMen	and that was the thing of apple
16:50	BlockMen	and look at ios7..its looks like a strange copy of win phone
16:51	ShadowNinja	Or Android...
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16:55	silwol	hi everybody
16:55	ShadowNinja	Hello.
16:55	silwol	i'm playing 0.4.7 - how do I find snow and ice blocks?
16:55	Calinou	hi
16:55	Calinou	silwol: there are none by default
16:55	Calinou	there are no snow biomes :P
16:55	silwol	okay, so I need to set configuration options?
16:55	ShadowNinja	silwol: You need to use creative mode or /giveme
16:55	silwol	ok
16:56	ShadowNinja	Once MGv7 comes around...
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16:56	BlockMen	doesnt it work with the snowmod aswell?
16:57	Zeg9	Snow mod defines its own nodes
16:57	ShadowNinja	Yes, there is a snow mod, but it is slow because everything is done in Lua.
16:57	silwol	ok
16:57	ShadowNinja	Although not that bad, especialy with LuaJIT.
16:58	silwol	so i'm looking forward to mgv7 becoming usable :-)
16:58	Zeg9	silwol = SilverWolfLilly22 ?
16:59	silwol	it's fine for me, 0.4.7 is a great release anyway. minetest is making great progress in my opinion
16:59	silwol	no, silwol has no different nick
16:59	Zeg9	Ok
16:59	Calinou	talking from yourself in third person ftw :P
16:59	* silwol	sometimes does this :-D
17:00	* BlockMen	does never so
17:00	Zeg9	Why would Zeg9 do this
17:00	* Zeg9	hides
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17:01	Calinou	le Calinou tries to find a 60k+ trackmania server that isn't full and that isn't a nascar server
17:02	Calinou	that fun-fs-40-80 server I've been looking at for 15 minutes is still full, 16 players
17:03	mitori	Zeg9, i think i fixed the problem
17:03	mitori	but i'm working on some big update
17:04	mitori	so... you'll have to wait :(
17:04	silwol	i'm off to minetest... cu
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17:06	Zeg9	mitori, thanks :D
17:06	mitori	no, i'm sorry
17:07	mitori	because i don't know how long it will take to do the thing i want to do
17:07	mitori	only today i started doing it. done about a 5% :(
17:10	khonkhortisan	VanessaE, your 128px HDX menu image says 512px
17:11		TheLastProject joined #minetest
17:11	khonkhortisan	For some reason, I had to set my texture path to .../textures/all
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17:13	PilzAdam	ShadowNinja, change your nick to be different from ShadowBot's
17:14	Calinou	suggestion: SunlightNinja
17:14	ShadowNinja	Heh
17:15	sfan5	MinetestBot!
17:15	MinetestBot	sfan5!
17:15	Tesseract	Registered but not enforced.
17:16	Calinou	O_o
17:16	* Calinou	praises Tesseract for its deferred shading and dynamic lighting
17:17	Tesseract	Last seen seven weeks ago, but registered seven years ago, this will be a while...
17:19	KikaRz	MinetestBot!
17:19	MinetestBot	KikaRz!
17:19	khonkhortisan	How do I tell git to remove a local repo? If I delete .git/, the files are still there. If I delete the toplevel directory, I have other files next to the repo. Git knows all the files it cloned, how do I tell it to delete them?
17:19	KikaRz	Thank you, sfan5. I'm not ignored anymore. And I'll promiss to do not spam it anymore.
17:19	sfan5	*promise
17:20	Tesseract	khonkhortisan: Hmmm? Do you want .git without the files?
17:20	sfan5	!c 2^1
17:20	MinetestBot	2
17:20	sfan5	!c 2^2
17:20	MinetestBot	4
17:21	Tesseract	!c 100^100^100
17:21	MinetestBot	Sorry, no result.
17:21	khonkhortisan	I want to undo git clone ; mv ./* .. ; mv ./.git ..
17:21	khonkhortisan	I have other files in ..
17:21	khonkhortisan	basically, completely remove a local git repository that is missing a containing folder
17:22	PilzAdam	git checkout <first commit id>; git revert <first commit id>
17:22	PilzAdam	then remove .git
17:22	PilzAdam	then all files that are tracked by git are removed, but the others are untouched
17:23	khonkhortisan	git rev-list --max-parents=0 HEAD plus that did what I wanted. Thanks!
17:28	KikaRz	http://imgur.com/xBl8pwN \| http://imgur.com/aFZsgqi \| http://imgur.com/7vzbmF1 \| http://imgur.com/pJK6tiU -- Pics from WIP mod, by KikaRz. ColoredBlocks. Only people that can test: VanessaE ; rubenwardy - Ask Kika for more testers
17:28	* Zeg9	wonders if the lua menu fixes the click on server makes connect to it and other issues
17:29	KikaRz	Added person to list: sfan5
17:29	Exio	KikaRz: unload scam.exe
17:29	Calinou	COOL MOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
17:29	* Calinou	facepalms
17:29	KikaRz	Exio: ERROR
17:29	PilzAdam	KikaRz, you dont need testers for such a simple mod
17:29	Calinou	YACBM
17:29	KikaRz	Calinou, when you know the SECRETS...
17:29	KikaRz	PilzAdam, when you know the SECRETS...
17:29	Calinou	yet another colored blocks mod
17:29	rubenwardy	like bobblocks
17:29	KikaRz	Calinou, WRONG!
17:29	KikaRz	rubenwardy, WRONG!
17:30	KikaRz	Nobody knows the secrets. Just VanessaE
17:30	khonkhortisan	Someone should make a solidcolor block
17:30	PilzAdam	khonkhortisan, green screen mod
17:30	KikaRz	And Bobblocks is totally different from this mod.
17:30	thexyz	do we have a minecraft-like 2-nodes chest mod yet?
17:30	khonkhortisan	yeah, if the node just sits there
17:30	Exio	nope thexyz
17:30	PilzAdam	thexyz, yep
17:30	Exio	er
17:30	PilzAdam	in MiniTest
17:31	PilzAdam	not a extern mod, though
17:31	Exio	ah
17:31	BlockMen	PilzAdam, oh. then i can stop my work on it
17:31	khonkhortisan	I see.
17:31	BlockMen	release it as extern mod
17:31	khonkhortisan	512px takes a while to download
17:31	BlockMen	*too
17:31	PilzAdam	okay
17:32	BlockMen	PilzAdam, but with Minetest inventory size :P
17:35	thexyz	PilzAdam: awesome
17:38	thexyz	the good thing about MiniTest is that it, unlike minetest_game, has a direction
17:38	* Zeg9	would maybe start a game. It would have a goal.
17:38	Zeg9	I mean, an in-game goal.
17:38	BlockMen	thexyz, minetest_plus also have :P
17:38	BlockMen	*will have
17:38	BlockMen	*maybe
17:39	PilzAdam	the good thing in MiniTest is, that I, and only I decide what goes in
17:39	KikaRz	Guys
17:39	thexyz	hm.. I thought Notch/jeb_ did
17:40	mitori	lol
17:40	KikaRz	you know what results the "top" mix from: Blue + Red'
17:40	KikaRz	?
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17:40	Zeg9	magenta?
17:40	KikaRz	No
17:40	rubenwardy	Is Math.atan(position.y-this.y / position.x-this.x)
17:40	KikaRz	http://www.zimagez.com/full/14381f4415e2a8a1329a618ec91320d4052b7e5326d7c67a559cec6c8ec77a89c601a56a0d6f3adae80de3648876e59012e86c8435f55314.php
17:40	rubenwardy	correct in javascript to get the direction to pos from this?
17:40	KikaRz	:P
17:41	thexyz	though MiniTest seems to be not server-friendly as it uses that nasty item_drop mod
17:41	KikaRz	You like my secret, Zeg9?
17:42	khonkhortisan	rubenwardy, no. Use atan2
17:42	Zeg9	So that is the secret?
17:42	KikaRz	Yes.
17:42	khonkhortisan	(position.y-this.y, position.x-this.x)
17:42	KikaRz	You'll be able to mix up colors :P
17:42	khonkhortisan	it handles vertical/horizontal better
17:42	KikaRz	So, it's not a simple color block mod
17:43	VanessaE	hi all.
17:43	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: fixed in git.
17:43	khonkhortisan	I switched to the highest one to slow my computer down :)
17:43	Zeg9	Interesting idea, but don't forget to set a texture for top and bottom :P
17:43	KikaRz	Yes , Zeg9,
17:44	KikaRz	You'll be able to mix EVERYTHING.
17:45	KikaRz	Those 6 colors.
17:45	KikaRz	I'll add more soon
17:47	PilzAdam	thexyz, BlockMen, if I use the chest size of default then the formspec of the double chest is too high for the screen
17:48	VanessaE	you do realize that for a two-color mix, with only top half/bottom half, that's (n^2 + n)/2 = 39 colors from a base of 6.
17:48	KikaRz	VanessaE...
17:48	KikaRz	Do not talk me about MATHS
17:48	VanessaE	I'm just trying to warn you thatit increases rather rapidly with more colors in the mix
17:49	KikaRz	!c (6^2+6)/2
17:49	PilzAdam	KikaRz, you cant code if you dont understand maths
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17:49	KikaRz	Yes I can, PilzAdam
17:49	KikaRz	I'm not making the mixes with code.
17:49	KikaRz	I'm drawing them
17:49	KikaRz	'-'
17:49	VanessaE	er I computed that wrong :)
17:49	PilzAdam	VanessaE, can you recheck the sound branch?
17:49	VanessaE	PilzAdam: shortly
17:49	PilzAdam	I want to push it as it is now
17:49	VanessaE	make that 21 colors.
17:50	VanessaE	ok, gimme a sec.
17:50	BlockMen	PilzAdam, hmm
17:50	KikaRz	VanessaE, what colors?
17:50	VanessaE	KikaRz: whatever you get from mixing two colors out of your proposed 6-color palette.
17:50	KikaRz	Well, I'm thinking on 10 colors
17:50	KikaRz	and then, the mixing.
17:50	KikaRz	VanessaE, i'm not going to make only top-bottom
17:50	thexyz	PilzAdam: I've never said you should use chest size of default
17:51	KikaRz	from left to right, and right to left
17:51	KikaRz	and from bottom-top
17:51	VanessaE	that's still considered a "mix" since you have to put them into one node.
17:51	PilzAdam	thexyz, if I make it smaller then people will lose items if they insall the mod
17:51	KikaRz	VanessaE, calculate me it
17:51	BlockMen	PilzAdam, then make 38 and 68(double chest) ?
17:52	thexyz	PilzAdam: how's that? existing chests won't change, will they?
17:52	PilzAdam	if you place a chest at the side of an "old" chest it will change
17:52	PilzAdam	I could add a check for that
17:53	VanessaE	KikaRz: (6^2 +6)/2 ---> (36 + 6)/2 ---> 42/2 = 21
17:53	PilzAdam	so that new chests only connect to old chests
17:53	PilzAdam	*new
17:53	BlockMen	PilzAdam, they dont have to loose it. add a script that checks slots . when generating double
17:53	KikaRz	21 what?
17:53	KikaRz	21 mixes?
17:53	VanessaE	21 nodes.
17:53	VanessaE	mixes
17:53	VanessaE	whatever you wanna call it
17:53	KikaRz	mixes + actual nodes?
17:53	VanessaE	one node = one mix
17:54	thexyz	PilzAdam: hm.. what node name do you use?
17:54	thexyz	maybe it'd be better to use something different from default:chest
17:54	KikaRz	21+6 = ?
17:54	KikaRz	!c 21+6
17:54	PilzAdam	that could work
17:54	KikaRz	27.
17:55	VanessaE	PilzAdam: as an aside, make dry shrubs buildable_to
17:55	PilzAdam	yea, noticed that too
17:56	VanessaE	mmmh
17:56	thexyz	http://felipec.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/no-feedback.png
17:56	VanessaE	walking on cobble should not sound the same as walking on wood...
17:56	VanessaE	(the current sounds work for wood, but sound wrong on cobble etc)
17:58	VanessaE	and I still say the sounds currently being used for walking on sand and grass should best only be used on snow.
17:59	VanessaE	(currently as in what's in your repo)
18:00	VanessaE	another aside: copper and obsidian blocks have a different dig time than the other stuff in creative
18:00	* Zeg9	leaves, bye
18:02	VanessaE	john_minetest: a friend of mine calls me monkey toes because I'm somewhat adept at picking stuff up with my feet :)
18:02	PilzAdam	thexyz, a different node name doesnt really work, its too hacky
18:03	PilzAdam	it will break craft guides and other stuff
18:04	VanessaE	PilzAdam: also, clay blocks have no walking sound.
18:04	Calinou	dirt too
18:05	Calinou	since 2012 :P
18:05	Calinou	also, someone make less annoying sounds ._.
18:05	Calinou	stone sounds like shit on linux
18:05	Calinou	(yes, it is OS dependent)
18:05	PilzAdam	VanessaE, anything against it?
18:05	VanessaE	against what?
18:05	VanessaE	see above.
18:05	VanessaE	this sound pack is not ready yet, imho.
18:06	PilzAdam	VanessaE, yes, but is there anything that is worse than the current sounds?
18:06	thexyz	PilzAdam: how will it break them?
18:06	rubenwardy	here: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4559
18:06	rubenwardy	and here: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2081
18:06	rubenwardy	^ sound packs
18:06	PilzAdam	thexyz, I cant remove the old chest crafting recipe, but I have to add a new one for my own chest
18:06	VanessaE	PilzAdam: if you move your grass/sand sound over to be used only on snow, and restrict the "waling on hard stuff" sounds to strictly wood/jungle wood, then I'd say no, they're not worse.
18:07	VanessaE	but if you use them the way they are right now, yes, they're worse :(
18:07	rubenwardy	second one is better
18:09	VanessaE	rubenwardy: the current testing PilzAdam and I are doing is based on sounds mito contributed.
18:09	thexyz	PilzAdam: odd
18:09	PilzAdam	thexyz, BlockMen, play MiniTest
18:10	BlockMen	PilzAdam, ok, i will take your code, modify it, give you credit and release chest mod :P
18:11	PilzAdam	VanessaE, explain that to mitori
18:12	VanessaE	regarding chests, just don't break the ability to put two single chests next to one another.
18:12	VanessaE	PilzAdam: that's up to you - you can fix that in code.
18:12	PilzAdam	hm?
18:13	VanessaE	which hm?
18:14	PilzAdam	<VanessaE> PilzAdam: that's up to you - you can fix that in code. <- hm?
18:14	VanessaE	PilzAdam: in the default mod, where you specify which sounds are used for what materials, make a new category/definition/whatever for wood. Rename your "walking on hard stuff" sounds to something like "default_walk_on_wood.1.ogg" or the like, and use those files there.
18:15	VanessaE	put something else into the regular walk-on-hard-stuff section, so that wood sounds different from stone
18:15	PilzAdam	then we need new sounds for stone_foorstep
18:15	VanessaE	yes.
18:15	PilzAdam	-> mitori
18:15	Calinou	oh also, try to use at least 4 footsteps
18:15	NakedFury	why not stop using such shit names and do walk_wood walk_stone
18:15	Calinou	same for mining sounds
18:15	NakedFury	you know easier
18:15	VanessaE	and yes, no less than four sounds for each category
18:16	VanessaE	having just 2 or 3 sounds too repetitive in practice.
18:16	VanessaE	NakedFury: +1
18:16	mitori	so how's current soundpack better?
18:17	VanessaE	mitori: it's better in that the sounds in your proposed pack are too repetitive, too simplified, and too mismatched to the materials they're being used on
18:17	VanessaE	walking on hard stone should not sound the same as walking on wood
18:18	PilzAdam	VanessaE, it does in the current sounds
18:18	mitori	let's move onto something better for the mean time and then, i'll continue working and we'll move to something better
18:18	VanessaE	PilzAdam: it does what?
18:18	Calinou	yep, wood is just louder stone right now
18:18	Calinou	that's bad
18:18	VanessaE	oh right
18:18	Calinou	IMO, just record sounds from real life :P
18:18	PilzAdam	VanessaE, it has same sound for wood and stone walking
18:18	VanessaE	I've never payed too much attention to it before, but now that you've got me looking/listening.
18:18	PilzAdam	VanessaE, mitori's question was how the default is _better_
18:18	Calinou	noticed it since always
18:18	VanessaE	PilzAdam: default is better by virtue of his sounds being worse when used as-is
18:19	VanessaE	Calinou: oh we can't do that, it's too realistic etc.
18:19	VanessaE	:)
18:19	Calinou	realistic sounds are ok
18:19	PilzAdam	VanessaE, in other words: current soundpack is so bad that it doesnt really matter that its bad?
18:19	Calinou	and probably less annoying
18:19	Calinou	remember
18:19	Calinou	sounds must not be annoying, PilzAdam
18:19	VanessaE	PilzAdam: no, ....yeah what Calinou said.
18:20	mitori	but current is annoying as hell!
18:20	VanessaE	no offense, mitori, but some of your proposed sounds suck
18:20	VanessaE	:)
18:20	mitori	not as much as the default soundpack
18:21	PilzAdam	VanessaE, if you would have to decide wich one to choose, would you take mitori's or current default soundpack?
18:21	VanessaE	mitori: the way they're being used in PilzAdam's branch, they are worse than default. If they were being used properly, those same sound bites would be better.
18:21	VanessaE	PilzAdam: I would use a mixture of the two
18:21	mitori	then please do!
18:21	mitori	I would use a mixture of the two
18:21	PilzAdam	VanessaE, so, mitori's footstep_hard for wood and old one for stone
18:22	PilzAdam	what else?
18:22	VanessaE	use the old grass sound on sand.
18:22	VanessaE	use the new grass sound on snow
18:22	VanessaE	come up with something better for grass.
18:22	mitori	i have!
18:22	mitori	wait a sec
18:22	VanessaE	come up with something better for cobble
18:22	NakedFury	we need sounds with this licesnses: This work is licensed under the Attribution Noncommercial License.
18:22	NakedFury	?
18:22	VanessaE	use the old stone sound on obsidian and the various bricks
18:22	Calinou	no, we don't
18:22	Calinou	BY-NC lol
18:22	Calinou	who uses that :P
18:23	VanessaE	NakedFury: quite the opposite, we need to avoid -NC
18:23	mitori	https://www.dropbox.com/s/9ah4chk49oz2ch0/sounds.7z
18:23	VanessaE	(remember that MT is supposed to be usable in a commercial project if needed
18:23	PilzAdam	VanessaE, all nodes that are dugged with group cracky are supposed to sound the same
18:23	VanessaE	PilzAdam: I'm just talking about the walking sounds
18:24	NakedFury	Vanessa the engine but not the mod minetest
18:24	VanessaE	digging sounds are okay-ish
18:24	mitori	sounds for grass
18:24	PilzAdam	VanessaE, can you check the grass footstep sounds mitori linked?
18:25	VanessaE	sure
18:26	VanessaE	PilzAdam: those are better
18:26	VanessaE	normalize them and I'd say those will work well
18:28	PilzAdam	use them for sand too?
18:28	PilzAdam	and for leaves?
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18:29	VanessaE	the digging sounds for sand/leaves are just fine
18:29	PilzAdam	I mean footsteps
18:29	VanessaE	use those ^^^^ for the walking sounds
18:29	VanessaE	yeah
18:29	VanessaE	I didn't try walking on leaves :)
18:30	PilzAdam	what to use on glass? hard or wood footstep?
18:30	VanessaE	something new
18:30	PilzAdam	mitori?
18:30	mitori	yeah?
18:30	PilzAdam	<VanessaE> something new
18:31	mitori	glass walking sounds?
18:31	PilzAdam	;-)
18:31	PilzAdam	yep
18:31	PilzAdam	mitori, oh, and please create mono sounds
18:32	mitori	i will try
18:32	PilzAdam	and normalize them to -3dB, less work for me ;-)
18:32	mitori	but sometimes audition becomes a bitch
18:32	mitori	i started doing that
18:33	mitori	and this grass should have been normalized
18:33	PilzAdam	yea, your new grass_footsteps seem to be normalized already
18:34	VanessaE	I love the glass breaking sounds you're using now
18:34	VanessaE	those are perfect.
18:34	PilzAdam	is it possible that there is a little "tick" in one of the grass_footstep sounds?
18:35	PilzAdam	if yes, then please remove it or make it more quiet
18:35	mitori	oh well
18:35	mitori	dunno about that
18:35	mitori	w8 a sec
18:35	VanessaE	PilzAdam: not on my end, sthey seem fine
18:35	mitori	i'm a bit busy
18:35	VanessaE	-d
18:35	VanessaE	-s
18:35	mitori	i will do glass once i will finish
18:36	VanessaE	mitori: I think if you record the sound of tapping, say, a screwdriver handle onto a glass window lightly, that might do it.
18:36	PilzAdam	I think its in .3.ogg
18:37	mitori	VanessaE ...with a good mic, which I obviously don't have.
18:37	VanessaE	PilzAdam: I hear no excess sound in 3.
18:37	mitori	but okay, i'll try doing that
18:37	PilzAdam	... or my headset just sucks
18:38	PilzAdam	nvm
18:38	VanessaE	gotta run
18:38	PilzAdam	mitori, btw, how have you created the sounds?
18:38	VanessaE	back in an hour or two.
18:38	mitori	what do you mean?
18:39	PilzAdam	did you recorded them yourself?
18:39	mitori	no
18:39	mitori	only one of them
18:39	PilzAdam	and the others?
18:39	mitori	took them from freesounds
18:40	NakedFury	freesounds is CC by NC so people will bitch about here
18:40	mitori	not all of them
18:41	NakedFury	I got all my sounds from that site
18:41	PilzAdam	mitori, do you have the dirt_footstep sound ready?
18:41	mitori	yes
18:42	PilzAdam	can I get them somewhere?
18:43	mitori	https://www.dropbox.com/s/nm92dxqmpybdrh0/sounds2.7z
18:43	khonkhortisan	wow with HDX I fill my memory AND my swap
18:44	khonkhortisan	I think I need more swap
18:44	PilzAdam	mitori, are the grass_footstep in there the same you linked before?
18:44	mitori	yes
18:45	Exio	khonkhortisan: ram*
18:47	thexyz	PilzAdam: is there any MiniTest server?
18:47	PilzAdam	AFAIK no
18:48	thexyz	that's bad
18:50	PilzAdam	mitori, is it possible to make dirt_footstep a bit less "wet"
18:51	mitori	O_o
18:51	PilzAdam	it sounds too much like mud
18:52	mitori	well
18:52	PilzAdam	it should be more "dry" dirt
18:52	mitori	that's what I thought dirt is
18:52	mitori	alright... let me see
18:52	PilzAdam	the second one is better than the first one
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18:54	mitori	try now
18:55	PilzAdam	same link?
18:55	mitori	yeah
18:55	mitori	should has glass step as well
18:55	PilzAdam	can you make dug_node_soil more crumbly? it is used for sand and dirt
18:56	mitori	dirt AND sand? alright. that makes life easier for me
18:57	PilzAdam	you can create seperate sounds for them if you want
18:57	mitori	i did. but sand isn't good enough yet
18:59	mitori	dunno, i added it to the archive, you can check it out.
19:00	mitori	so what do you think about dirt steps, (glass step?) and now as you listen to it, sand/soil dug
19:00	mitori	PilzAdam
19:00	PilzAdam	gimme a second
19:03	PilzAdam	dug_sand sounds like a snake
19:05	thexyz	TIL minetest_game is written in Logos https://github.com/minetest
19:05	khonkhortisan	2GB ram, 4GB swap partition, working on 10GB swap file - that would equal the 16GB ram my motherboard could have in it
19:06	rubenwardy	bye all
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19:07	mitori	PilzAdam lol. okay, you want me to make one sounds? i'd better stick to that idea
19:08	PilzAdam	dirt_footstep still too much like mud
19:10	PilzAdam	and I dont really know what all these dug_node sound should sound like, I generally dont like them
19:11	mitori	ich habe auch keine Ahnung ;P
19:11	PilzAdam	oO
19:13	mitori	well i just couldn't figure out how to say it in english
19:13	mitori	in this particular situation
19:14	mitori	i generally know that this would be "have no idea" but i just couldn't apply it properly T_T
19:16	mitori	PilzAdam, are you still there?
19:16	PilzAdam	yea
19:16	PilzAdam	can you create "dry" dirt_footstep?
19:18	mitori	i would be a magician :D well, i dunno. i did my best. let's try that once more
19:18	mitori	both of them?
19:18	PilzAdam	yea
19:24	mitori	PilzAdam try now the archive
19:24	mitori	same link
19:27	PilzAdam	better
19:27	kahrl	thexyz: the heck is Logos?
19:29	thexyz	kahrl: no idea, google doesn't help
19:29	PilzAdam	kahrl, "Logo" in german
19:29	PilzAdam	small images
19:29	kahrl	I see
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19:30	PilzAdam	mitori, I dont know about the dug_node sounds
19:31	mitori	what?
19:31	mitori	do you like them or not
19:31	mitori	?
19:31	PilzAdam	I dont know what they should sound like
19:31	mitori	me neither
19:31	Calinou	hi
19:31	mitori	so i tried to turn on the creativity
19:31	mitori	hi
19:31	PilzAdam	does anyone here has an idea how dug_node sounds should sound like?
19:31	Calinou	mitori, why aren't you named Mito555 on IRC? :P
19:31	mitori	because mitori is name
19:32	mitori	mito551 is more of nickname
19:32	Calinou	ah
19:33	PilzAdam	I wonder if we can remove the dug_node sounds completly
19:33	khonkhortisan	! Watched as minetest filled my 2GB memory, my 4GB swap partition, and flowed into my 102B swap file, and just as I was about to say "Hey, it loaded!" I get a failed assertion in MushUpdateThread.
19:34	khonkhortisan	:(
19:35	Calinou	>2013
19:35	Calinou	>2GB memory
19:35	mitori	PilzAdam that should be discussed with whole community, no?
19:35	mitori	Calinou lol
19:35	Calinou	khonkhortisan, why do you have a 102B swap file :P
19:35	khonkhortisan	oops
19:35	khonkhortisan	10GB
19:36	PilzAdam	or use the place sound for the dug_node sounds...
19:36	mitori	this idea i don't like
19:36	khonkhortisan	My motherboard can have 16GB ram, so I'm filling the rest of it with swap :)
19:36	Calinou	swap is not additional RAM
19:36	Calinou	you can have 2TB of swap if you wanted it
19:36	Calinou	oh also, more than 1GB of swap isn't that useful
19:36	khonkhortisan	My 2 is right above my G
19:36	khonkhortisan	ik
19:37	khonkhortisan	I'm filling it with textures
19:37	Calinou	twss
19:38	Calinou	(well, not really)
19:40	PilzAdam	mitori, I guess I leave the dug_node sound that is currently in master until someone comes up with a better sound
19:40	mitori	NOOO
19:41	mitori	GOD PLEASE NO.
19:41	Calinou	oh talking about dug_node
19:41	mitori	use the ones for hard stuff for all the stuff, or just leave them out
19:41	Calinou	we need a default dug_node sound
19:41	Calinou	there is a default "digging" sound, but not "dug" one
19:41	Calinou	also a step one would be nice (a very quiet one probably)
19:42	Calinou	or possibly just a stone-like one (makes code more compact)
19:42	mitori	^ (basically what i suggest)
19:42	mitori	sorry for caps, i overreacted
19:43	PilzAdam	yea, just tested the old ones, I forgot how horrible it is
19:43	mitori	yeah. thank you for understanding
19:43	khonkhortisan	pastemagazine stole a good search result
19:43	PilzAdam	Ill take yours and make them gain=0.5 or so
19:44	Calinou	talking about gain, it would be better if default sound volume was 0.5 and not 0.8
19:44	khonkhortisan	http://pastebin.com/r5t4TmtE
19:44	Calinou	john_minetest, we need noclip prevention, yeah
19:44	Calinou	minecraft does it VERY well
19:44	Calinou	works with any lag
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19:45	PilzAdam	mitori, pushed to the branch
19:46	PilzAdam	if you want to test what I currently have
19:46	khonkhortisan	That's how you go through a door without interact
19:46	mitori	to what branch? mito_sounds?
19:46	PilzAdam	https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/tree/sounds_mito2
19:47	Calinou	john_minetest, how did you stop your network connection O_o
19:47	Calinou	unplugging ethernet cable then replugging would usually make you time out, no?
19:47	khonkhortisan	using the operating system
19:47	Calinou_	probably
19:48	khonkhortisan	Â¡parasite_!
19:49	Calinou_	nope!
19:49	Calinou_	or yes
19:50	Calinou	timeout by default is 30 seconds
19:51	Calinou	minetest's way of handling timeouts is... stressful :P
19:51	mitori	PilzAdam, sounds nice. i have also sand steps. and i'm going to work on dirt_stepwark
19:51	Calinou	it makes you stuck but you can still swing arm, but you can't switch items or look around
19:51	Calinou	and only way to get out is to disconnect
19:51	Calinou	(which makes it pointless)
19:51	mitori	PilzAdam want me to give you sand steps?
19:51	PilzAdam	sure
19:52	mitori	https://www.dropbox.com/s/nm92dxqmpybdrh0/sounds2.7z
19:53	Calinou	no prediction when handling inventory
19:53	Calinou	but there is mining prediction
19:54	Calinou	oh also it'd be nice if mining/building prediction were removed when not having interact :P
19:55	khonkhortisan	The way to test lag is to throw a stone on the ground, and measure the time between when the stone hits the ground, and when the stone leaves your hand.
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19:57	Calinou	or possibly just type /l
19:57	Calinou	that's what I do :>
20:06	mitori	i have done some more magic with sounds - dirtstep. but it's still quite wet PilzAdam
20:06	PilzAdam	mitori, it sounded a bit uneven, so I shortened sand_footstep.2 a bit
20:07	mitori	ok
20:07	PilzAdam	I can test the new dirtstep
20:10	PilzAdam	hmmm... the sand_footstep would work as dirt_footstep too
20:12	PilzAdam	mitori, do you have anything against this ^?
20:12	mitori	no
20:13	mitori	go ahead
20:16	* PilzAdam	looks at TODO list he created earlier today
20:16	PilzAdam	"more variety in the existing sounds"
20:16	PilzAdam	i.e. 4 versions of each sound
20:16	* Calinou	noticed that likwid h-craft doesn't come on the forums anymore
20:16	PilzAdam	currently only gravel has this
20:16	Calinou	well, since like april
20:17	PilzAdam	Calinou, \o/
20:17	Calinou	le candy box face \o/
20:17	PilzAdam	_________________\o/\|\|\|___\|\|\|\|\|\|__\|\|\|______
20:17	mitori	omg
20:18	PilzAdam	mitori, can you create the 4 versions of each sound?
20:18	* Calinou	uses berseker and enters a new quest
20:18	mitori	ewllllllll
20:18	mitori	weeeeeellllll
20:18	Calinou	__O_O\|\|\|__WPY___\|\|\|\|\|\|__
20:18	PilzAdam	Wood pony
20:18	Calinou	yeah, 1/100 chance to meet one
20:18	mitori	i don't know
20:18	PilzAdam	there is a statistic how many people have seen it
20:18	Calinou	there are also chests in peaceful forest, 1/300 chance
20:18	mitori	i can tryy
20:18	Calinou	I found one once, but didn't save
20:19	PilzAdam	mitori, they need to be only slightly different
20:19	mitori	yeah, i know
20:19	mitori	but still...
20:19	mitori	that's quite a challenge
20:19	Calinou	oh also, when will this "Not allowing focus change." message be hidden/fixed? :\|
20:19	Calinou	we have a lot of useless messages in console right now
20:20	PilzAdam	do you run with --verbose?
20:20	Calinou	no
20:20	Calinou	start game in a terminal, alt-tab several times and see
20:20	Calinou	personally I run without terminal and debug_log_level 0 but still
20:21	PilzAdam	I always run in terminal with debug_log_level 0
20:24	PilzAdam	mitori, have I already said that I really like to have new sounds in minetest_game finally?
20:24	mitori	no :) but I'm really glad to hear it.
20:26	PilzAdam	I have a branch hanging arround somewhere that adds hurt sounds to the engine
20:26	PilzAdam	can you create some hurt sounds?
20:27	Calinou	PilzAdam, stole them from paintball 2
20:27	Calinou	now you'll say "oh my god, they killed kenny" when dying
20:27	Calinou	steal*
20:27	Calinou	oh also, add respawn sounds, so that you say "yahoo!" when respawning
20:27	mitori	PilzAdam i might try. what kind of hurt sounds?
20:28	khonkhortisan	and a finish loading sound
20:28	Calinou	finnish loading sound*
20:28	Calinou	says a random sentence in finnish after loading
20:28	mitori	lol
20:28	PilzAdam	mitori, https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest/commit/2cdf0ff4abaa045545440c8694b47371766a7b64
20:29	mitori	i'll see what i can do
20:29	kahrl	banzai!
20:30	PilzAdam	damage.ogg should be something like "ouch!" and falling_damage something like a bone crack
20:30	Calinou	PilzAdam, you could steal sounds from xonotic :>
20:30	PilzAdam	damage.ogg and falling_damage.ogg are played at the same time when getting falling damage
20:30	PilzAdam	kahrl, what do you think about the commit ^^^^^ ?
20:30	Calinou	playing both at same time, meh
20:31	Calinou	it would be better if only falling_damage was playd
20:31	PilzAdam	Calinou, that would be too complex
20:31	kahrl	I agree with that
20:31	Calinou	add a sound antispam
20:31	Calinou	don't allow more than 1 sound per 50ms
20:31	Calinou	???
20:31	Calinou	PROFIT
20:31	Calinou	xonotic does that to not play more than 1 hit sound at once
20:32	kahrl	falling_damage.ogg -> I've fallen, and I can't get up!
20:32	kahrl	?
20:32	PilzAdam	in my testing sounds the bone crack with the "ouch" sounded pretty good together
20:33	Calinou	it'd be nice to be able to trigger client side actions when entering a node
20:33	Calinou	such as printing a message, or play a sound, but I mean client side
20:33	Calinou	(prediction)
20:35	kahrl	how about remembering for each bit of damage what caused it?
20:36	kahrl	this could be used for custom death messages (by extending the API) as well as avoiding duplicate sounds
20:38	mitori	PilzAdam did the ouch, same archive
20:39	PilzAdam	hm?
20:39	PilzAdam	oh, ok
20:40	kahrl	PilzAdam, I guess playing both works for now
20:41	kahrl	that commit looks fine then
20:42	PilzAdam	kahrl, I get this mesh update thread running assertion fail thingy when adding new sounds
20:42	kahrl	hmm
20:42	khonkhortisan	I get that too
20:42	kahrl	reproducably?
20:42	khonkhortisan	I downloaded HDX, increased my swap, and now it does that every time I join VE's server
20:43	kahrl	I was hoping to get a fix for that in before 0.4.7 but was unable to reproduce it
20:43	PilzAdam	mitori, a bit too high, isnt it?
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20:45	kahrl	which of the asserts fail?
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20:45	mitori	it sounds awful if it's lower
20:45	PilzAdam	maybe make it a _bit_ slower?
20:46	PilzAdam	kahrl, sry, lost the log
20:46	mitori	i will get to it tommorow
20:46	PilzAdam	k
20:47	mitori	because i'm doing "THIS BIG THING" for dwarves
20:47	mitori	and generally being tired
20:47	Calinou	twss
20:47	Calinou	(Ã—2)
20:48	PilzAdam	kahrl, also not really reproduceable
20:48	VanessaE	back
20:48	PilzAdam	added player_damage.ogg 2 times now (with same cache) and only the first one failed
20:48	sfan5	good night
20:50	PilzAdam	VanessaE, https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/tree/sounds_mito2
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20:52	BlockMen	PilzAdam, is hurt sound goin into engine now?
20:52	PilzAdam	yep
20:53	BlockMen	good. :) is the mc "ugh" used too?
20:53	PilzAdam	mitori wants to create a different one
20:54	Calinou	the minecraft ugh is ok, and is a nice way to troll MC players :P
20:54	Calinou	fun fact: TF2 soldier uses the minecraft "ugh" sounds
20:54	BlockMen	mitori, plz create a similar one then both can be used
20:54	Calinou	it actually is a freesound
20:54	BlockMen	because the "ugh" is just epic
20:54	Calinou	and there are TONS of games which use it
20:54	mitori	BlockMen you mean similiar to MC sound?
20:55	VanessaE	PilzAdam: got it.
20:55	mitori	actually you know what? fuck this shit. i'm gone to record my own ugh, with blackjack and hookers
20:55	mitori	i'm going*
20:55	BlockMen	mitori, yes, similar to the "ugh" sound.
20:56	mitori	got that, thank you. that actually helps a lot
20:56	Calinou	mitori, tip: use good quality
20:56	Calinou	320 kbps 44khz ogg for the win :P
20:56	PilzAdam	MinetestBot!
20:56	MinetestBot	PilzAdam!
20:56	mitori	yes, i know. who the hell do you think i am :P
20:56	MinetestBot	GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Play player_damage.ogg when recieving damage and additionally play player_falling_damage.ogg when recieving falling damage 2cdf0ff4ab 2013-06-12T13:27:06-07:00 http://git.io/AV5dkg
20:56	mitori	MinetestBot! What an exciting time-waster!
20:56	MinetestBot	mitori!
20:56	BlockMen	when i was searching hurt sound i had the ugh and a different one, but PA claimed that it has too diferent voices
20:57	VanessaE	er, I'm not hearing any difference in walking sounds from before?
20:57	PilzAdam	VanessaE, have you force pulled?
20:57	VanessaE	I had to reset --hard; git pull actually.
20:57	VanessaE	but I show commit ff513[...] as current on my local copy
20:58	VanessaE	still hearing the wrong sounds on e.g. wood
20:58	PilzAdam	wrong = ?
20:58	VanessaE	or rather on stone (the one that I said sounds like wood)
20:59	PilzAdam	have you restarted your client?
20:59	kahrl	didn't you revert a commit recently?
20:59	VanessaE	of course.
20:59	kahrl	that might have screwed your history up depending how you did it
20:59	VanessaE	kahrl: I'm working off a separate copy of his branch, not merging this into minetest_game
21:00	VanessaE	lemme try nuking and re-copying it.
21:01	VanessaE	woh wait
21:01	VanessaE	that's better
21:01	PilzAdam	git use --force --strategy=hard
21:01	PilzAdam	*nuke
21:01	PilzAdam	how can you type "use" instead of "nuke"?!
21:01	VanessaE	sounds good except leaves are too quiet
21:02	VanessaE	the walking sound that is
21:02	PilzAdam	default/functions.lua:59 change 0.15 to 0.25
21:03	VanessaE	did you normalize it first?
21:03	PilzAdam	of course
21:03	PilzAdam	the gain is different in the code
21:03	VanessaE	ah ok
21:03	PilzAdam	dirt_with_grass uses 0.25
21:04	VanessaE	hm, still a bit loqw
21:04	VanessaE	low(
21:04	VanessaE	let's try 0.35
21:04	PilzAdam	same volume as dirt_with_grass
21:04	Calinou	is "gain" linear?
21:04	Calinou	and what is the default?
21:04	Calinou	is "0 gain" mute?
21:04	VanessaE	ok, 0.35 sounds about right.
21:05	VanessaE	that walking sound on sand is still terrible though.
21:05	PilzAdam	Calinou, 1) yes, I guess 2) 1.0 3) yes
21:05	Calinou	ok
21:05	PilzAdam	VanessaE, "still"? its a new one
21:05	VanessaE	maybe it's because there are only two sounds
21:05	PilzAdam	and I think its perfect for sand and dirt
21:06	VanessaE	add a few more to the rotation and it should be okay
21:06	PilzAdam	mitori wants to work on more
21:06	PilzAdam	but Id like to commit what we have now, and add the additional sounds later
21:06	VanessaE	remember, you're walking over potentially large spans of dirt, grass, sand, etc, so the sounds can't be too repetitive.
21:06	VanessaE	right, ok
21:07	VanessaE	haha
21:07	VanessaE	<VanessaE> THAT sound is supposed to be "walking on sand".
21:07	Calinou	tip: make sounds with small pitch variations if you don't have enough
21:07	VanessaE	<Abe> Sounds like an echocardiogram
21:07	VanessaE	lol
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21:12	Kacey	hey guys
21:13	mitori	hey
21:13	Calinou	hi
21:13	* Kacey	started a microcontroller project in singleplayer
21:13	PilzAdam	ok, I push the sounds to upstream now
21:13	PilzAdam	anyone objects?
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21:13	VanessaE	not yet
21:14	VanessaE	did you wanna wait for mitori to find better sand sounds?
21:14	PilzAdam	there are no "better" sounds
21:14	mitori	he said he would push it now
21:14	* Calinou	items
21:14	Calinou	but I don't object
21:14	Calinou	:-)
21:14	mitori	and then push more when it's done
21:14	VanessaE	ok, filter the sand sounds, take most of the bass out
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21:14	Calinou	buut, basses sell better
21:14	VanessaE	put the sounds through a high-pass filter, say with a cutoff of around 10kHz
21:15	VanessaE	(audacity can do this but I've never been too successful using its equalizer)
21:17	mitori	https://www.dropbox.com/s/nm92dxqmpybdrh0/sounds2.7z
21:17	mitori	like this?
21:24	VanessaE	mitori: I don't hear any difference
21:24	mitori	wtf
21:24	VanessaE	(comparing the in-game sounds side by side with those)
21:24	mitori	how many files does this archive has?
21:24	VanessaE	two.
21:24	PilzAdam	2
21:25	VanessaE	default_dirt_footstep.1.ogg default_dirt_footstep.2.ogg
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21:26	khonkhortisan	512px + gdb + 2GB ram goes past my patience
21:26	VanessaE	mitori: raise your cutoff frequency to say 13kHz or so, high-pass
21:27	mitori	ok
21:27	mitori	try now
21:28	mitori	i did something different
21:28	VanessaE	url?
21:29	khonkhortisan	oh, the 128 is a different screenshot
21:29	mitori	sane
21:29	mitori	same
21:29	mitori	https://www.dropbox.com/s/nm92dxqmpybdrh0/sounds2.7z
21:30	Calinou	night
21:31	khonkhortisan	okay, who LOL'd my sign? :)
21:31	VanessaE	mitori: getting better. Raise the cutoff to 15kHz and normalize it
21:31	VanessaE	then I think you have a winner
21:32	mitori	i don't want a wiener, why would you offer me that D:
21:32	Calinou	lol
21:32	VanessaE	heh
21:32	Calinou	it's weiner btw
21:32	Calinou	or not
21:32	Calinou	spellcheck proved me wrong
21:32	Exio	lol
21:32	VanessaE	well grilled with a bit of mustard, ketchup, and sauerkraut and they're pretty good......
21:32	Calinou	sauerbraten!
21:32	Exio	redeclipse!
21:33	Exio	:>
21:33	VanessaE	:P
21:33	khonkhortisan	VanessaE, lava spawn
21:33	Calinou	minceraft!
21:33	VanessaE	ohnot again
21:33	khonkhortisan	yes again...
21:33	PilzAdam	battlefield!
21:33	VanessaE	holy shit
21:34	mitori	cod?
21:34	Exio	cs cz
21:34	* PilzAdam	slaps mitori
21:34	mitori	what why?
21:34	PilzAdam	because cod
21:34	* mitori	mitori dodges
21:34	mitori	cod is shit
21:35	PilzAdam	oh, good, /me takes his slap back
21:35	Exio	i don't even know what is cod :(
21:35	kahrl	Exio: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4yIxUOWrtw
21:35	mitori	call of duty
21:35	Exio	ah
21:35	* Calinou	slaps PilzAdam around a bit with a large shotgun
21:35	mitori	slap with a shotgun? that's heavy
21:36	Calinou	xonotic reference :p
21:36	* Exio	slaps Calinou with a flamethrower
21:36	* mitori	takes readies a bfg
21:36	Calinou	hax, there are no bfgs on this channel
21:36	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: Daniel7682 did it.
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21:40	mitori	VanessaE cutoff doesn't work
21:40	mitori	basically... nothing else does much difference
21:40	VanessaE	mitori: you're doing it wrong then :)
21:43	mitori	https://www.dropbox.com/s/nm92dxqmpybdrh0/sounds2.7z
21:43	mitori	try now
21:43	mitori	it's something completely different (but still the same sound)
21:44	VanessaE	THAT sounds good
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21:45	mitori	^_^
21:45	mitori	finally a pull?
21:45	Exio	sounds? :D
21:46	mitori	i hope!
21:47	PilzAdam	it works with a gain of 0.5
21:48	PilzAdam	VanessaE, should I use the old one for dirt?
21:48	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: Daniel7682 trashed the travelnet station also. Rolling him back all the way
21:48	PilzAdam	old one == the one you disliked
21:48	VanessaE	PilzAdam: old as in what's in 0.4.7?
21:48	VanessaE	oh
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21:49	VanessaE	maybe
21:49	Uberi	did you just call 0.4.7 _old_?
21:49	VanessaE	Uberi: relative to the current sound files :)
21:53	PilzAdam	VanessaE, mitori, final check: https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/tree/sounds_mito2
21:55	mitori	oh no]
21:55	mitori	oh no
21:55	mitori	sound of walking of stone are default
21:55	VanessaE	add some kind of special digging sound to glass
21:56	mitori	okay. but please get another sound of hardwalking
21:57	mitori	i can do it
21:58	mitori	stonewalking
21:58	mitori	everything else fine
21:58	PilzAdam	create something that is simliar to the current one
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22:02	STHGOM	hahaha
22:02	STHGOM	microsoft is going down
22:03	PilzAdam	KidMC2 created a user account â€Ž(@ dev wiki)
22:03	Uberi	why not use something else? I hear Jitsi is pretty nice
22:06	mitori	PilzAdam i'm finished give me a sec i upload it to the same archove
22:06	mitori	https://www.dropbox.com/s/nm92dxqmpybdrh0/sounds2.7z
22:07	PilzAdam	the default one has 2 sounds
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22:07	mitori	http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/11/dive-into-the-playstation-4-hardware-with-this-interactive-model?utm_campaign=fbposts&utm_source=facebook
22:07	mitori	okay
22:08	mitori	wait one more sec
22:08	PilzAdam	hmmmm
22:09	PilzAdam	its too high; it should be more "dull" like the current one
22:09	PilzAdam	your sound sounds like the cobble is hollow
22:09	mitori	https://www.dropbox.com/s/nm92dxqmpybdrh0/sounds2.7z
22:10	khonkhortisan	VanessaE, first it notifies the owner. If the digger isn't the owner, then it also notifies the digger. No dig protection at all.
22:10	VanessaE	sokomine: ^^^^^^^
22:10	VanessaE	please fix this asap
22:11	iqualfragile_	john_minetest: what about switching to jitsi?
22:11	VanessaE	mitori: too "woody".
22:11	VanessaE	hollow
22:11	mitori	wait
22:12	PilzAdam	john_minetest, your friends like bill gates?
22:13	iqualfragile_	-.-
22:13	iqualfragile_	john_minetest: right now its a lot easier to get people to use alternative software
22:13	Uberi	not easy enough, iqualfragile_
22:13	iqualfragile_	you know prism
22:13	mitori	https://www.dropbox.com/s/nm92dxqmpybdrh0/sounds2.7z
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22:14	iqualfragile_	well, i was able to get about 80% of my communication to xmpp
22:14	VanessaE	mitori: still too hollow/woody
22:14	iqualfragile_	additionaly jitsi has some added bonus: multipary video calls
22:15	PilzAdam	yea, too hollow
22:15	mitori	if not's not that hollow it hurts
22:15	VanessaE	none of the "hard" materials in the game would even begin to make a sound like that except wood
22:16	VanessaE	your emphasis is too close to the mid range of frequencies, you need to bias toward the high end more
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22:18	Uberi	I like the hollow sound, personally
22:19	Uberi	I just lightly punched a tree in my backyard, it sounded sorta like that
22:19	mitori	...and we are talking stone
22:19	Uberi	oh...
22:19	mitori	https://www.dropbox.com/s/nm92dxqmpybdrh0/sounds2.7z
22:19	Uberi	well I'm going to go punch a rock now then
22:19	mitori	we already delat with wood, fortunately
22:19	mitori	go for it!
22:20	mitori	don't forget to record it ;)
22:20	PilzAdam	mitori, untitled_mixdown.ogg ?
22:20	mitori	ye[p
22:20	mitori	yep
22:20	VanessaE	the mixdown sounds useable for placing glass btw
22:21	VanessaE	the others are usable for stone now I guess
22:21	mitori	please
22:21	Uberi	apparently hitting a rock doesn't make much of a sound
22:21	iqualfragile_	have you used a pickaxe?
22:21	Uberi	just my hand
22:22	mitori	we're not exactly talking about punching it
22:22	mitori	rather walking on it
22:22	iqualfragile_	chat i imagine you to look like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBA8MvkZttE&html5=1
22:22	Uberi	ah well, proceed :)
22:23	PilzAdam	iqualfragile_, "&html5=1" +1
22:23	iqualfragile_	yeah, i add that when sending links so people use html5
22:24	iqualfragile_	i dont have flash anyways
22:24	kahrl	I hate it when somebody else uses the same proxy I use for watching youtube and switches it back to flash
22:25	kahrl	At least that's my theory for why this sometimes gets reset
22:25	Uberi	VanessaE: how many nodes are defined on your server, approximately?
22:25	sokomine	any ideas why a monitor may suddenly disappear from x? perhaps got something to do with xrandr...last i saw it it was displaying a film...then it went into some kind of powersave mode? on the textconsole, it's stil present
22:26	VanessaE	Uberi: upwards of 4000
22:26	Uberi	:O
22:26	VanessaE	nodes/items
22:27	Uberi	thanks, I just need some performance numbers now
22:27	PilzAdam	VanessaE, is it ok if I use default_place_node_hard in node_sound_defaults()
22:27	PilzAdam	otherwise torches have the same place sound as sand, and that doesnt really sound ok
22:27	iqualfragile_	sokomine: it might be because of X
22:27	VanessaE	PilzAdam: that sounds fair
22:28	kahrl	VanessaE: do you see this message sometimes? "WARNING: Going to send a reliable packet .* that is already in outgoing buffer"
22:28	PilzAdam	VanessaE, pushed
22:28	PilzAdam	VanessaE, mitori, recheck the branch
22:29	PilzAdam	kahrl, wich stream?
22:29	kahrl	derr_con... whatever that is
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22:30	VanessaE	kahrl: checking..
22:30	kahrl	looks like verbosestream
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22:30	sokomine	hmm
22:31	sokomine	i want my second monitor back :-(
22:31	mitori	pilzadam, everything's fine except for one little thing
22:31	VanessaE	PilzAdam: checking
22:31	mitori	sokomine what videocard?
22:32	iqualfragile_	have you restartet x right now?
22:32	mitori	sapling placement uses place_node_hard
22:32	mitori	PilzAdam
22:32	PilzAdam	yes, I alrady pushed a fix for that
22:32	mitori	sokomine might this be the drivers?
22:32	mitori	alright
22:33	PilzAdam	saplings and apple use node_sound_leaves_default()
22:33	VanessaE	PilzAdam: all are good, gain on leaves is too low and glass needs its own placement sounds
22:34	PilzAdam	gain on leaves is not too low, its same as on grass
22:35	VanessaE	kahrl: I'm not finding that message in my logs any time in the recent history
22:35	PilzAdam	VanessaE, mitori and I had the problem that we both dont really know what the node_dug sounds are supposed to sound like
22:35	VanessaE	closest I find to that is stuff relating to player timeouts.
22:36	VanessaE	PilzAdam: to my mind, a node, when dug, should make a "louder, fuller" version of the walking sound
22:36	VanessaE	(but not necessarily higher amplitude)
22:36	PilzAdam	so, can I merge the branch now?
22:37	PilzAdam	the node_dug and glass placing sounds can be done later
22:37	VanessaE	fix the volume level on walking on leaves and call it good for now.
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22:37	PilzAdam	to what? gain=0.4?
22:37	VanessaE	I used 0.35
22:39	PilzAdam	MinetestBot!
22:39	MinetestBot	PilzAdam!
22:39	MinetestBot	GIT: mito551 commited to minetest/minetest_game: New sounds c3c5f8a228 2013-06-12T15:38:40-07:00 http://git.io/Wo3Fyg
22:39	Uberi	lovely
22:39	VanessaE	sokomine: you asked earlier about sheep. there are two in the pen in front of your house on the left
22:40	* Exio	git pulls
22:40	VanessaE	none in the larger pen left of that, nor in the pen next to the spawn or behind bulldog's cafe
22:41	PilzAdam	VanessaE, your minetest_game is out of date :-p
22:41	VanessaE	not anymore :P
22:42	Exio	http://dpaste.com/1233597/
22:42	Exio	is this a known bug?
22:42	PilzAdam	mitori, mitori or mito551 in changelog?
22:42	mitori	omfg
22:42	Uberi	Exio: did this happen while starting?
22:42	mitori	that's the hardest question i have been asked in my entire life
22:42	PilzAdam	you want to be called "omfg" in the cahngelog?
22:42	Uberi	good choice, I must say
22:43	mitori	can you write "mitori (aka mito551)"
22:43	PilzAdam	how about mitori551?
22:43	mitori	no way
22:43	mitori	"mitori (aka mito551)"
22:43	PilzAdam	or mito551ri
22:43	Exio	Uberi: while trying to start an old world with the "lastest" minetest_game
22:43	Exio	=> crash
22:43	PilzAdam	mitori, there is no "aka" in the changelog
22:43	mitori	why not?
22:43	PilzAdam	you have to choose one
22:43	mitori	why not?
22:43	Uberi	maybe use a slash? mitori/mito551
22:43	PilzAdam	to keep it short
22:44	Exio	after, i started a game in minimal
22:44	Exio	before*
22:44	mitori	what do you say about slash?
22:44	mitori	mitori/mito551
22:44	mitori	as Uberi suggested?
22:44	mitori	if not, then let the mitori be
22:44	PilzAdam	people might think "mitori and mito551"
22:44	mitori	yes
22:44	Uberi	but that would be true, PilzAdam
22:44	mitori	oh
22:45	mitori	YES
22:45	mitori	Uberi speaks the truth
22:45	Uberi	hear, hear
22:45	Uberi	buy APPL
22:45	Uberi	sell all your Nortel shares before it's too late
22:45	VanessaE	thought it was AAPL?
22:46	mitori	but alright, write me as mitori
22:46	PilzAdam	there we go: http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog#0.4.7_.E2.86.92_.3F
22:46	Uberi	close enough :P
22:46	Uberi	I like this plan of action
22:46	VanessaE	lol
22:46	mitori	lol
22:47	mitori	thank you
22:47	PilzAdam	mitori, create an account and change it yourself if you want to
22:47	Exio	aw
22:47	mitori	and i think WE have done a great job.
22:48	mitori	PilzAdam, no it's fine. i would even say perfect
22:48	mitori	good job everyone
22:48	mitori	now i can go to sleep finally
22:48	mitori	lol
22:49	Uberi	the Mesecons codebase really needs a cleanup
22:49	Uberi	tabs and spaces were never meant to be mixed
22:49	PilzAdam	http://dev.minetest.net/TODO#TODO_in_minetest_game <- see "Sounds"
22:49	mitori	good night everyone, PilzAdam, VanessaE (even though it's even evening by you, as far as I know).
22:50	Uberi	see ya o/
22:50	VanessaE	night :)
22:50	Uberi	does this mean the sounds todo is done?
22:50	Exio	oh
22:50	Exio	this bugs is the known one
22:50	Exio	nvm about my paste
22:50	Exio	and good night mitori
22:50	Exio	Uberi: half done i guess
22:50	Exio	:P
22:51	Uberi	what's the other half? breathing sounds?
22:51	mitori	Exio, Uberi, thank you, good night
22:51	Uberi	actually...
22:51	Exio	aw
22:51	Uberi	[MOD] Breathing Sounds [breathing_sounds] [WTFPL]
22:51	Exio	no, please
22:51	Exio	don't...
22:51	VanessaE	ehm..
22:51	PilzAdam	Uberi, thats the TODO for minetest_game, breathing sounds are not supported by the engine currently
22:52	PilzAdam	hurt sounds are, though -> added to the TODO list
22:52	Uberi	I dunno, maybe we can breath faster and more efficiently if done in C++?
22:52	VanessaE	PilzAdam: as long as hurt sounds can be made gender-specific. :)
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22:52	Uberi	and don't make it configurable either, it isn't up for discussion :P
22:52	VanessaE	(think quake or open arena - your player model determines your 'hurt' sound also)
22:53	Exio	or what about minecraft's hurt sounds? where they aren't male or female sounds?
22:53	Uberi	VanessaE: gender specific players first, perhaps
22:53	Exio	(i don't mean "those")
22:53	VanessaE	Uberi: that should be pretty easy I would think
22:53	VanessaE	hell, doable in lua even
22:53	Uberi	definitely
22:53	PilzAdam	VanessaE, no, you play a male character, use mods if you want to be female
22:54	VanessaE	a new skin is sufficient for my needs :)
22:54	PilzAdam	s/if you want to be/if you want your character to be/
22:55	Exio	PilzAdam: your readme in https://github.com/PilzAdam/beds doesn't work
22:55	PilzAdam	yes
22:55	PilzAdam	who cares?
22:56	Exio	aww
22:57	sokomine	vanessae: strange. first the 5-6 sheep i caught yesterday and which turned into 50 while i was away, and now only tow left. cannibalism? escaped through jumping on each other? sheep are strange!
22:57	* sokomine	eyes pilzadam suspiciously
22:58	VanessaE	PilzAdam: she's right, sheep are....busted.
22:58	Uberi	sokomine: when two sheep love each other very much...
22:58	VanessaE	Uberi: !
22:58	Uberi	they fight to the death and eat the loser's organs
22:58	VanessaE	lol
22:58	Exio	ok
22:58	Exio	... ok
22:58	sokomine	uberi: at least they manage the jumping-part of that quite well :)
22:59	Uberi	it's a feature, not a bug
22:59	PilzAdam	^
22:59	PilzAdam	that goes into my forum signature
22:59	Uberi	so many unintentional features
23:00	sokomine	mitori: i guess icewm and xrandr just don't get along that well :-( so eventually xrandr (or something else) sends the monitor sleeping, icewm at least notices - but does not seem to be able to take the monitor back again?
23:01	Exio	xrandr --output X --auto
23:02	iqualfragile_	short survey: which distro are you guys using?
23:02	Exio	debian in my desktop, and my now unused laptop has an outdated as hell gentoo
23:03	Exio	i have gentoo in the todo list for here, but can't because the network :/
23:03	sokomine	exio: no, doesn't give me the second monitor back :-( maybe icewm can't handle that?
23:03	Uberi	I installed elementary beta a few weeks ago, loving it
23:03	sokomine	debian here as well
23:03	iqualfragile_	:D elementary
23:04	iqualfragile_	i thought about giving that to my grandfatherâ€¦
23:04	VanessaE	iqualfragile_: xubuntu 12.04
23:04	VanessaE	but I guess you already knew that :)
23:04	sokomine	oh! the second monitor was eventually recognized again! only that it's now in mirror-mode.....
23:04	iqualfragile_	yep, you mention it from time to time
23:04	sokomine	i'll call the commands that set it up properly again and hope
23:05	STHGOM	cya
23:05	Uberi	elementary is beautiful but it does need a few more keyboard oriented stuff
23:05	Exio	gl sokomine :P
23:05	Uberi	and they really must stop trying to write everything by themselves and spreading manpower too thin
23:05	sokomine	aah. got it back :-)
23:05	iqualfragile_	Uberi: have you allso tried using pear? :D
23:06	* Exio	gives sokomine a cookie
23:06	* sokomine	inspects the cookie, determins that it is eatible, and starts munching it :-)
23:06	* iqualfragile_	gives sokomine gentoo&wayland
23:06	PilzAdam	sokomine, its after 0 AM
23:06	iqualfragile_	haha, just kiding, i assume neither is realy usable at all
23:07	Uberi	iqualfragile_: nah, you mean the distro right?
23:07	iqualfragile_	PilzAdam: its even after 1 AM!
23:07	iqualfragile_	yep
23:07	PilzAdam	MinetestBot!
23:07	MinetestBot	PilzAdam!
23:07	MinetestBot	GIT: BlockMen commited to minetest/minetest_game: Separate formspecs of active furnace and chests 486509876a 2013-06-12T16:06:26-07:00 http://git.io/CPUvvA
23:07	sokomine	hm, gentoo may well be usable. wayland...don't see much reason for it. my desktop is only a collection of xterms used to start graphical programs like a strange one called mt...:-)
23:08	iqualfragile_	i think it will help with a lot of glitches
23:09	iqualfragile_	i have just recently switched from .ubuntu to archlinux
23:09	iqualfragile_	and i have to admit that i am quite impressed
23:10	iqualfragile_	it is _so_ fast
23:10	Exio	archlinux is meh
23:10	sokomine	speed isn't much of a problem. maybe with mt. the rest...it either is more than fast enough or it takes time (compiling) where you can do something else
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23:11	iqualfragile_	booting is quick, thanks to systemd
23:12	sokomine	i'm a bit annoyed about gnome and kde and all those. there are situations where x is needed (or something graphical); i just don't want what those complex dte come with
23:12	sokomine	oh yes, booting speed surprised me as well with the new debian. might be due to the ssd i put in here as well (the old hard disk got broken sectors so a replacement was needed desperately)
23:13	VanessaE	if it weren't for my bios always taking several seconds, my machine would only take ~10 seconds to boot thanks to my SSD :)
23:14	khonkhortisan	you can take out memcheck
23:14	Exio	in my netbook the bios is what takes most of the boottime
23:15	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: it already skips that. it's all the other stuff it does in the meantime
23:15	khonkhortisan	I press escape through everything
23:15	VanessaE	(random hardware checks, etc)
23:15	khonkhortisan	I get a big table of hardware information
23:15	VanessaE	BIOSes need a "just boot NOW" mode :)
23:15	Exio	my actual mobo does a lot of stuff
23:15	VanessaE	find the first hard disk, load the boot sector, pass everything else to the OS
23:15	Exio	mainly because i have this overclocked, i guess :P
23:15	khonkhortisan	I used to not know what mobo meant
23:16	iqualfragile_	litle bit more then 7 secs
23:16	iqualfragile_	with 4 secs in kernelspace
23:17	iqualfragile_	which makes me think about kompiling it myself and especialy disabling the initramfs
23:18	Exio	hand-compiled kernel and a hand-wrote init script made my netbook get 5 seconds to a TTY and 7 to slim like 2 years ago :P
23:18	Exio	(from grub to the system)
23:18	iqualfragile_	but you are right, the bios is crap, i need to check for compatibilty with coreboot before i buy my next motherboard
23:18	iqualfragile_	jup, 7 to kdm
23:19	Exio	what cpu?
23:19	Exio	intel atom n270 (1.6ghz @ 1core (HT) / 2 threads) 1gb ram
23:19	Exio	my netbook ^
23:19	iqualfragile_	kernel not yet optimized
23:19	iqualfragile_	uh, netbook, yeah, well that is no comparision
23:20	Uberi	how does that run mt, Exio?
23:20	iqualfragile_	deep black magic!
23:20	iqualfragile_	it uses the cloud fror computation!!!
23:20	Uberi	:O
23:21	Exio	Uberi: with 0.4.4 it worked with 50~60FPS "when walking around"
23:21	iqualfragile_	wtf? thats likeâ€¦ more then i get with nouveau
23:21	Exio	intel gpu
23:21	Exio	intel gma 915 or so
23:21	iqualfragile_	yeah, intel gpu--> good drivers
23:21	Exio	not good
23:21	Exio	just good framebuffer
23:21	Exio	outside that, the gpu and drivers are crap
23:22	Exio	and good "support"
23:22	iqualfragile_	& i assume that your screensize is a lot smaller then mine, which makes a load of a difference
23:22	Uberi	Exio: nice
23:22	iqualfragile_	(obviously)
23:22	Exio	iqualfragile_: 10.1" :P
23:22	Exio	i'm on my desktop anyway
23:22	Uberi	only if fill rate is the bottleneck
23:22	Exio	it is way better ^^
23:23	Exio	the bottleneck with the netbook was mainly the cpu and the firmwares to load
23:23	Exio	it took like 2 seconds to load stuff needed for the cpu iirc
23:24	Uberi	available soon: //set blue lightstone
23:24	Exio	wat
23:24	Uberi	new wip WorldEdit feature
23:25	Tesseract	Check all node descriptions?
23:25	Uberi	that's right :)
23:25	Uberi	and also mod names and such
23:25	Uberi	the WE GUI will have a better search with suggestions, probably
23:26	iqualfragile_	good night& stay mashed
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23:51	PilzAdam	bye
23:59	Uberi	MinetestBot!
23:59	MinetestBot	Uberi!
23:59	MinetestBot	GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Support descriptions and partial node names in chat commands (e.g., `//set blue lightstone`, `//replace piston_normal_off bronze block`). 74018dab99 2013-06-12T16:59:13-07:00 http://git.io/w1TOvw

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