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00:00 * Uberi pats MinetestBot
00:12 Exio a super-random offtopic question, how would you handle dynamic-defined entities in a game engine?
00:12 Uberi you could define existing entities and modify their properties?
00:12 Exio not all the properties
00:13 Uberi it works per-entity too!
00:13 Uberi which ones?
00:13 Exio things like the texture/name/"that stuff" should be locked
00:13 Exio all other stuff should be able to get tweaked in runtime if wanted
00:13 Uberi nah texture isn't locked, it's changable via lua
00:13 Exio no no
00:13 Exio i don't mean in minetest
00:13 Uberi see: player skin changers
00:13 Exio in a "random game"
00:13 Uberi oh
00:14 Uberi well in my games they all go into the world's spatial tree
00:15 Exio hmm
00:15 Exio spatial tree?
00:15 Uberi yeah, makes a ton of things a lot easier
00:15 Uberi especially physics
00:16 Uberi the physics engine reuses it for broadphase collision
00:17 Exio i actually just want to try to make an "example game" for learning how to use lua, sdl and a "real use" of OOP
00:17 Exio so it will be a plataform 2d game
00:18 Uberi hmm, you could always just throw it all in a array-like table and do whatever if there are a reasonable number of entities
00:19 Uberi it worked quite well for me with some quite complex entities, about 50+ onscreen at once before performance starts to drop
00:19 Exio i don't really think the entities will be very complex
00:20 Exio the "most complex" entities will be dumb balls or so :P
00:20 Exio my idea is trying to make the engine "the simple that it can be" and make the IA and not-'heavy' stuff in lua
00:20 Exio AI/IA
00:20 Exio w/e :P
00:21 Uberi it doesn't really matter how you store it if it's a simple scene without too many objects in it
00:21 Exio yep
00:22 Exio my first base-idea was making a lot of "virtual entities" without doing anything special with them and making lua define "them" per entity
00:41 khonkhortisan JPEG FATAL ERROR: Not a JPEG file: starts with 0x89 0x50 ok... what file?
00:42 kahrl khonkhortisan: try minetest --verbose
00:42 kahrl this can't really be fixed because it's in irrlicht
00:43 khonkhortisan I like verbose better than a half-full Media bar
00:43 khonkhortisan it shows me it's doing something
01:01 khonkhortisan VanessaE, above error for 128px files: default_ice.jpg homedecor_gate_barbed_wire_left.jpg homedecor_gate_barbed_wire_right.jpg homedecor_gate_chainlink_left.jpg homedecor_gate_chainlink_right.jpg moretrees_fir_trunk.jpg moretrees_fir_trunk_top.jpg | Also, "unknown block" is now "unknown node"
01:01 khonkhortisan bin/minetest --verbose > log 2>&1 ; grep -B 1 "JPEG FATAL ERROR:" < log
01:01 VanessaE thanks, I'll fix them now.
01:11 VanessaE khonkhortisan: fixed in git.
01:18 khonkhortisan got it
01:25 BlockMen bye
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02:04 arsdragonfly !up arsenalmp.no-ip.org
02:04 MinetestBot arsenalmp.no-ip.org:30000 seems to be down
02:04 arsdragonfly !up arsenalmp.no-ip.org 30002
02:04 MinetestBot arsenalmp.no-ip.org:30002 is up (390ms)
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02:28 khonkhortisan it just sits there and mocks me http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121014220336/thetekkit/images/b/b5/Null_Cell.png
02:31 VanessaE heh
02:31 VanessaE you can do it :)
02:32 khonkhortisan "the server owner must op the mod itself, by typing, '/Op [redpower(2)]'...because [the Deployer needs] permission to interact with the environment"
02:36 * arsdragonfly plans to turn his phone into a dedicated server
02:36 arsdragonfly I'll have a new one soon :-D
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03:53 Tesseract VanessaE: Could you add the colon character to the signs in homedecor?
03:54 VanessaE I'll try
03:55 Tesseract Thanks. :-) It will require great drawing skills. ;-)
03:56 * [0gb_us] is away: away
03:58 khonkhortisan are animated inventory images supported yet?
03:59 VanessaE I don't think so
04:03 VanessaE Tesseract: fixed in git.
04:07 VanessaE (had to look up how the charmap works, since thexyz originally wrote it :)
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04:17 Tesseract [0gb_us]: Please turn off that away CTCP ACTION.
04:17 [0gb_us] Hmm? How do I do that? And why?
04:17 khonkhortisan * [0gb_us] is away: away
04:18 Tesseract (On my IRC network I block it with a module)
04:18 [0gb_us] Yea, I know what it is. Just not how to turn it off or why.
04:18 [0gb_us] *Yeah
04:18 Tesseract [0gb_us]: Look in your settings, because it is annoying.
04:19 [0gb_us] Personally, I find it useful on clients that don't report the /away status to the user.
04:20 Tesseract It is spammy, if you don't respond they can assume that you are away.
04:20 [0gb_us] Okay, found the setting.
04:20 Tesseract Imagine if everyone had it set.
04:20 [0gb_us] WHen I don't respond, some people get mad thinking I'm ignoring them.
04:20 [0gb_us] I don't see the issue with others having it set.
04:21 khonkhortisan that's their problem, this is irc
04:21 Tesseract Their problem. :-) A lot of the messages in the channel would be away/back messages.
04:21 [0gb_us] It turns into MY problem when they get mad at me.
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04:22 Tesseract /mode +q/b/R/g
04:23 khonkhortisan /mode #minetest -c
04:25 khonkhortisan or is it S?
04:25 [0gb_us] I don't know. "/help mode" returns nothing.
04:26 Tesseract [0gb_us]: /quote help cmode/umode
04:28 Tesseract khonkhortisan: c is color filter, S is unused.
04:32 [0gb_us] /help says cmode and umode are invalid commands.
04:42 ch98 Yay gcc4.2 is now installed in to this computer
04:43 khonkhortisan why so old?
04:43 khonkhortisan (I have 4.7.1)
04:43 Tesseract [0gb_us]: /quote help
04:44 [0gb_us] /quote returns nothing.
04:44 ch98 well my computer had 4.0.1 when i installed xcode so this is better
04:44 [0gb_us] Ah, I remember xcode. Good times.
04:44 Tesseract I win! 4.8.1 :-)
04:45 VanessaE 4.6.3 here.
04:45 [0gb_us] Same. 4.6.3.
04:46 [0gb_us] I bet it's preinstalled. I don't remember installing that.
04:46 VanessaE build-essential
04:46 VanessaE comes with it.
04:46 [0gb_us] I don't remember installing build-essential either.
04:46 khonkhortisan okay, well who has gdb 7.5.50? It tells you the actual package name of the debuginfo you're missing
04:47 VanessaE not even to compile MT
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04:47 VanessaE ?
04:47 Tesseract It is in base-devel/build-essential/whatever your distro calls it.
04:47 khonkhortisan if you build, you have build-essential
04:47 [0gb_us] No, last time I compiled Minetest was before my computer freaked out and I wiped it.
04:47 VanessaE [0gb_us]: odd.  well get your butt over to github and grab the latest sources ;)
04:47 VanessaE (or use my build.  I seem to recall you run Ubuntu 12.04 also)
04:48 [0gb_us] Nah, I don't need sources. I have a .deb!
04:48 VanessaE of 0.4.7?
04:48 [0gb_us] Come to think of it, I DID compile a few days ago, but on another computer. THAT computer I DID install build-essential on.
04:48 [0gb_us] Yes, a .deb of 0.4.7.
04:49 [0gb_us] It's at minetest.net.
04:51 [0gb_us] I have gdb 7.4-2012.04, it seems.
05:09 arsdragonfly How to create a .x mesh?
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05:10 VanessaE blender can export them if you enable the direct-x exporter.
05:12 khonkhortisan Have you looked in the file?
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05:22 ch98 oh same old error
05:22 ch98 what is whrong with this???
05:25 khonkhortisan VanessaE, with 128pxHDX, menu_overlay.png says 128px, while minetest_menu_overlay.png says 512px.
05:25 VanessaE I could swear I fixed all of those
05:25 VanessaE *grumble*
05:26 khonkhortisan it cloned itself to avoid the antivirus
05:26 VanessaE haha
05:27 khonkhortisan I deleted my ~/minetest/cache, I was going to look around in /tmp
05:27 ch98 Can anyone test my concrete mod? I updated it but never got to test it without minetest
05:27 khonkhortisan the liquid-to-solid one?
05:29 khonkhortisan And also, the button-glass-mesecon connection has insulated texture on the top and bottom of the part that goes through the glass, but is transparent on the sides.
05:30 VanessaE khonkhortisan: fixed in git
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06:02 VanessaE bbl, bedtime.
06:02 [0gb_us] Good night.
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06:51 silwol good morning
06:51 silwol ...at least for those in a timezone near me
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08:14 Calinou the new grass sound is nice, but cuts sharply at end :/
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08:29 arsdragonfly PlayerArgsEnd not found
08:29 arsdragonfly how to fix that?
08:30 [0gb_us] Delete your players.
08:30 [0gb_us] Or find which player account is bugged up, and delete just that one.
08:31 arsdragonfly how to find the bugged one ? I don't like to look through every player
08:31 arsdragonfly Or, is there a line of PlayerArgsEnd at the end of each player's profile?
08:32 [0gb_us] Yeah, you'd have to look through all of them, unless you want to perform some command line wizardry.
08:32 [0gb_us] Yeah, I think that's at the end of the file.
08:32 [0gb_us] Of all the files.
08:34 arsdragonfly hmmm
08:34 * arsdragonfly goes to learn some bash script
08:37 [0gb_us] Hmm. I don't know how to loop through files in a directory, but if you know how to do that, you could use grep to search each file.
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09:17 whirm arsdragonfly: for FILE in *.thing ; do whatever $FILE ; done
09:18 arsdragonfly whirm : minetest player profile filename has no suffix :-(
09:18 whirm then *
09:18 whirm only
09:19 whirm brb
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09:23 whirm arsdragonfly: what are you looking for in the file btw?
09:30 arsdragonfly whirm : nvm I've finished the script
09:30 whirm k
09:30 arsdragonfly Thanks all the same
09:30 whirm np
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10:25 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
10:26 Calinou hi
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10:30 arsdragonfly|pho hey guys
10:30 arsdragonfly|pho http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=94578
10:31 arsdragonfly|pho bash script for the PlayerArgsEnd error
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10:33 lamefun http://pastebin.com/f4Ub2zxz --- outputs:
10:33 lamefun Found target: lamefun
10:33 lamefun null!??!?! we have target!
10:33 lamefun what's wrong with the code?
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12:33 arsdragonfly It's been so quiet for a few hours...
12:33 MinetestBot GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: Enable word wrapping in profiler IGUIStaticText (freetype needs this) 21d6b39fd7 2013-06-13T05:32:53-07:00 http://git.io/GbMSsw
12:33 arsdragonfly Oh
12:34 kahrl good timing ;)
12:36 arsdragonfly That looks good
12:37 arsdragonfly can the text in a formspec textarea be wrapped?
12:38 kahrl does every mod want that?
12:38 arsdragonfly idk but I think it'll be good for kaeza's bookex mod
12:39 arsdragonfly maybe textual fields need that too
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12:54 KikaRz Hello everyone!
12:55 PilzAdam KikaRz, there are new commits at minetest/minetest and minetest/minetest_game, you can test your update scripts
12:55 KikaRz Yay :D
12:55 KikaRz What they have?
12:58 iqualfragile hi
12:58 KikaRz Oh, Minetest_game has new sounds
12:58 KikaRz and Minetest update, has wordwrapping, right?
13:00 KikaRz guys, when we do make -j5, on a already compiled version, it just updates?
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13:03 KikaRz my minetest is crashing '-'
13:05 KikaRz I guess my "test" world is corrupted.
13:05 KikaRz I can't delete it
13:05 KikaRz And It's crashing my minetest
13:12 iqualfragile KikaRz: yes, it just updates the changed parts (in case you have not executed make clean) and rebuilds the binaries
13:12 iqualfragile rm .minetest/worlds/test ?
13:12 KikaRz :(
13:12 KikaRz i loved my cute world
13:12 KikaRz bye cutie world
13:13 iqualfragile mv .minetest/worlds/test .minetest/corrupttest
13:13 KikaRz ?
13:13 KikaRz It's one directory.
13:14 KikaRz rm -r ?
13:14 iqualfragile you could just move your world to another location and hope for a tool to get released to fix it
13:14 KikaRz *f
13:14 iqualfragile it would be rm -r to delete
13:14 KikaRz yes, its r
13:14 iqualfragile but moving it might be smarter
13:14 KikaRz rm -r makes folders and etc to get removed
13:16 KikaRz Have coloredblocks something related to papyrus??? http://i.imgur.com/kb81HsO.png
13:16 KikaRz lawl
13:17 KikaRz Good news everyone... My mod "coloredblocks" will be launched officially today, but... Will have constant updates.
13:32 * arsdragonfly hopes minetest will be rolling updated on linux and windows
13:45 lamefun in Lua
13:45 lamefun how do I know that an ObjectRef no longer exist?
13:46 PilzAdam lamefun, if minetest.object_refs[your_object_ref] ~= nil then
13:47 MinetestBot GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Reset dig_time when switching to a tool that cant dig the current node 7a58c1d4ca 2013-06-13T06:34:48-07:00 http://git.io/K_g4Ag
13:48 lamefun how to know if a node is passable?
13:50 lamefun and how to check if something obstructs a line?
13:50 PilzAdam passable?
13:50 PilzAdam you mean if you can walk through it like troches?
13:50 PilzAdam *troches
13:50 PilzAdam *torch
13:51 lamefun yes
13:51 PilzAdam in the node definition table the field walkable says if you can walk on it, so torches are walkable = false
13:52 PilzAdam dirt and stone are walkable = true
13:52 PilzAdam so, walkable pretty much means "solid"
13:52 PilzAdam <lamefun> and how to check if something obstructs a line? <- minetest.env:line_of_sight(pos1,pos2,stepsize) ->true/false
13:53 PilzAdam do you want to make a turret mod?
13:53 lamefun yes
13:53 lamefun how do you know?
13:53 lamefun they already work, in fact
13:53 lamefun just blocked by grass and water
13:55 lamefun ...
13:55 lamefun PilzAdam, line_of_sight is blocked by water
13:57 kahrl water is transparent (by default anyway)
13:58 kahrl line_of_sight only checks for air it seems
13:59 PilzAdam shouldnt it check for solidness or so?
13:59 kahrl yeah it seems like a bug
13:59 kahrl I mean, assume you're in a 1x2x1 shaft -> block the top and bottom with a torch -> mobs can't see you through that hatch anymore
14:00 lamefun and how to use :punch?
14:00 PilzAdam yep, environment.cpp:385 if(n.param0 != CONTENT_AIR) {
14:01 lamefun I copied tool_capabilities from steel sword, but it still doesn't damage
14:01 kahrl in fact, isOccluded in clientmap.cpp looks like a fancier version of line_of_sight
14:01 kahrl it looks at each node's visual_solidness
14:02 kahrl and solidness
14:06 VanessaE good morning all
14:07 sfan5 hi
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14:20 VanessaE slow morning huh
14:22 lamefun can I add some numbers or label above LuaEntitySAO?
14:22 lamefun or at least an info text
14:22 lamefun or something
14:22 lamefun or formspec
14:22 PilzAdam nope
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14:22 PilzAdam you can use on_rightclick() and show_formspec(), though
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14:31 PilzAdam VanessaE, https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/commit/22b0c38ac6fef197ec8360a8adc10f5a85b917b1
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14:33 VanessaE checking
14:35 VanessaE that works.
14:36 VanessaE better than the "thump" sound anyway :D
14:36 PilzAdam pushed a fix for gravel and snow
14:36 lamefun PilzAdam, but how to know the turret form is for in register_on_player_receive_fields?
14:38 PilzAdam lamefun, hm?
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14:39 lamefun ?
14:39 lamefun function(player, formname, fields)
14:39 lamefun how do I get ObjectRef of turret from that?
14:40 PilzAdam you can use formname for that
14:40 PilzAdam its the same you pass to to show_formspec()
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14:40 PilzAdam so you could do something like show_formspec(..., "yourmod:turret_form:"..minetest.serialize(obj), ...)
14:41 PilzAdam hm, better use tostring(obj) there
14:42 lamefun serialize ObjectRed?
14:42 lamefun *ref?
14:42 PilzAdam and then do function(player, formname, fields) obj = minetst.obj_refs[tonumber(string.sub(formname, 20)))]
14:42 PilzAdam tostring(obj_ref) returns the object ID as a string AFAIK
14:43 PilzAdam VanessaE, pushed to upstream
14:44 MinetestBot GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest_game: Use louder footstep sound as dug_node 179f4c3f91 2013-06-13T07:36:11-07:00 http://git.io/9b7maw
14:46 MinetestBot GIT: metaducky AT gmail DOT com commited to minetest/minetest: Fixes cmake-gui causing RUN_IN_PLACE to be always off 40b2f36eb8 2013-06-13T07:45:52-07:00 http://git.io/tlsE1A
14:52 sfan5 !server ping:least
14:52 MinetestBot sfan5: Minetest❤Ru | minetest.ru | Clients: 2/100, 7 | Version: 0.4.5 | ping: 0.099
14:55 arsdragonfly !server ping.most
14:55 MinetestBot arsdragonfly: No results
14:55 arsdragonfly !server ping:most
14:55 MinetestBot arsdragonfly: Arsdragonfly's server | arsenalmp.no-ip.org:30002 | Clients: 0/100, 2 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.468
14:55 PilzAdam heh
14:55 arsdragonfly uh :-P
14:55 PilzAdam MinetestBot, disable troll mode
14:55 arsdragonfly well that's expected
14:56 sfan5 !server players:most
14:56 MinetestBot sfan5: Ray's server | 173.195.255.46 | Clients: 11/25, 16 | Version: 0.4.7-7734717 | ping: 0.220
14:59 lamefun mgturret:turret_form:userdata: 0x7f8314014cb8
14:59 lamefun it doesn't look like a number
15:00 PilzAdam hmm, there was a way to get the object ID
15:05 PilzAdam lamefun, dunno, you could have your own table where you store the object ref by an unique index
15:06 lamefun How to get notified when object is deactivated?
15:06 PilzAdam there is no callback for that
15:07 lamefun ...
15:08 PilzAdam you can store the ID in the Lua entity too
15:10 lamefun PilzAdam, whats' stored in fields in receive_fields?
15:10 lamefun how to know what button was clicked?
15:11 PilzAdam a table like {["button_name"]="button_text"} where only the clicked button is not nil
15:12 PilzAdam and all text fields are there too with {["textfield_name"]="entered text"}
15:12 PilzAdam just use print(dump(fields)) to see it better
15:13 VanessaE PilzAdam: make jungle grass and dry shrubs buildable_to
15:14 PilzAdam junglegrass already has buildable_to = true
15:14 VanessaE double-check that, it ain't behaving as such for me.
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15:14 VanessaE (my own shorter ones do though)
15:15 PilzAdam yep, it definitely is buildable_to
15:15 VanessaE looks like it's being redefined by the farming mod.
15:15 PilzAdam yes
15:16 MinetestBot GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest_game: Make dry shrubs buildable_to d7784c0729 2013-06-13T08:15:42-07:00 http://git.io/j6Il0w
15:16 VanessaE fix it. :)
15:16 VanessaE or moreblocks redefines it too. hmm.
15:16 PilzAdam the farming mod has buildable_to too
15:16 VanessaE I'll make a point to yell at calinou - his isn't registered as such.
15:17 VanessaE in fact he's got a bunch of stuff here that's being redefined.
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15:30 Zeg9 Hello !
15:32 PilzAdam hi
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15:44 sfan5 !up sfan5.dyndns.org 30010
15:44 MinetestBot sfan5.dyndns.org:30010 seems to be down
15:45 VanessaE PilzAdam: what do you plan to do with that hacky water code?  It does seem to help, at the expense of making water stop flowing altogether in extreme cases (plus it spams the console)
15:45 sfan5 !up sfan5.dyndns.org 30010
15:45 MinetestBot sfan5.dyndns.org:30010 is up (203ms)
15:46 sfan5 thexyz: the minetest.ru ping thing doesn't send a (correct) disconnect packet to the minetest server
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15:46 sfan5 *servers.minetest.net
15:46 rubenwardy Hi all!
15:46 sfan5 hi rubenwardy
15:46 PilzAdam VanessaE, you can just remove the debug output
15:47 sfan5 guys!! I got curl working with android minetestserver
15:47 sfan5 !server android
15:47 MinetestBot sfan5: Experimental Server running on an Android phone | 79.235.63.208:30010 | Clients: 0/100, 0 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.150
15:47 KikaRz Hello there :)
15:48 rubenwardy Had a media exam today, geography was yesturday. Last exam is tomorrow: Maths
15:49 KikaRz My college finishes tomorrow, too!
15:50 VanessaE PilzAdam: well I meant do you plan to push that to git?
15:51 VanessaE er...you know what I mean.
15:56 Zeg9 Could one of you please merge #166 (since 0.4.7 is released)
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16:17 sfan5 the fuck!!
16:18 sfan5 I'm running a server for like 1 minute and plop first griefer appears
16:18 KikaRz lol
16:18 KikaRz I can't enter it
16:18 sfan5 thats not funny
16:18 sfan5 its down
16:19 lamefun about mobf
16:19 lamefun how to know if something is a mob?
16:19 lamefun I allowed turrets to damage everything
16:19 lamefun now they shoot meat that falls from cows and server crashes
16:20 rubenwardy lol
16:20 sfan5 KikaRz: up
16:20 rubenwardy is there a key function in the entity's tables?
16:20 sfan5 !up sfan5.dyndns.org 30010
16:20 ShadowBot sfan5: sfan5.dyndns.org:30010 is up (713ms)
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16:21 sfan5 ...what the fuc+
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16:21 sfan5 s/+/k
16:21 sfan5 where is MinetestBot again
16:21 PilzAdam * MinetestBot hat die Verbindung getrennt (Remote host closed the connection)
16:21 sfan5 screen says: ""1900.mtbot(06/12/13 21:08:12)(Dead ???)
16:21 sfan5 ""
16:21 PilzAdam you need to read the part messages
16:22 sfan5 :O
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16:24 Jordach ~MinetestB@5
16:25 Jordach ^ reads like MinetestBS
16:25 Jordach and its raining
16:26 sfan5 Its raining at my place too
16:26 Jordach sfan5, :D
16:26 Jordach <- likes the rain
16:26 Jordach <- windows 7 user
16:27 Jordach I swear i saw JQuery in Blender
16:27 KikaRz Here it's sunny.
16:27 Jordach anyways: rebootingh
16:27 Jordach (system updates)
16:27 PilzAdam lol, rebooting for updated
16:27 PilzAdam -d+s
16:28 mitori hello everyone
16:28 LunaVorax Does Windows still reboot for updates?
16:28 PilzAdam LunaVorax, you usually get a bluescreen before it comes to the reboot
16:29 KikaRz Yea.
16:29 KikaRz STUPID
16:29 KikaRz '-'
16:29 LunaVorax I wish it was true
16:29 KikaRz PilzAdam, my last update on Windows, resulted in a BSOD
16:29 KikaRz *on a
16:29 mitori can anybody help me?
16:29 KikaRz .net Framework 4.5
16:29 KikaRz '-'
16:29 LunaVorax LOL dotNet
16:30 KikaRz stupid
16:31 LunaVorax Stop saying stupid
16:31 LunaVorax You start to sound like Bobby Zilch
16:32 * mitori whispers to Kikarz: silly.
16:32 KikaRz mitori, what?
16:32 mitori instead of stooopid.
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16:38 KikaRz ok
16:38 KikaRz silly windows.
16:38 KikaRz silly dotNet
16:38 KikaRz silly updates
16:39 LunaVorax The funny part is when KikaRz is revealed to be a MacFag
16:40 KikaRz I hate MacDunald
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16:41 rubenwardy windowophobia!
16:41 rubenwardy I dislike the word "fag"
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16:46 PilzAdam awwww, its such a nice word
16:46 PilzAdam what did it do to you?
16:47 Jordach JESUS CHRIST
16:47 Jordach WHAT DID YOU DO
16:50 * PilzAdam confirms
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16:56 rubenwardy How do you say "fool" in german?
16:56 rubenwardy täuschen!
16:57 PilzAdam Narr
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16:57 rubenwardy confusing
16:57 rubenwardy what is the difference between täuschen and narr?
16:57 PilzAdam täuschen is a verb, something like "to bluff"
16:57 rubenwardy ah
16:57 PilzAdam its Narr, not narr
16:57 rubenwardy or to fool someone
16:57 PilzAdam nouns are always caps at first lette
16:57 rubenwardy ok
16:57 PilzAdam +r
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16:58 lamefun how to export to "b3d"?
16:58 rubenwardy export->b3d?
16:59 rubenwardy (blender?)
16:59 rubenwardy file->export->b3d?
17:00 Calinou x > b3d
17:00 Jordach <3 .X
17:00 Calinou .mir > .wayland > .x, though
17:00 Matsetes Hi guys!
17:01 Calinou hi
17:01 rubenwardy HELLO
17:01 Matsetes I have some doubts about playing in multiplayer
17:01 rubenwardy LETS TALK LIKE I CAN NOT FIND MY CAPS LOCK KEY
17:01 lamefun Calinou, Microsoft Desktop Window Manager, prescribed for people by the Global Government!
17:01 rubenwardy MY CAT ATE IT
17:02 PilzAdam !kick rubenwardy CAPS
17:02 rubenwardy was kicked by MinetestBot: CAPS
17:02 Jordach lol
17:02 rubenwardy joined #minetest
17:02 PilzAdam rubenwardy, you found your caps lock key now?
17:02 Calinou lamefun: windows' graphics stack has no name, really
17:02 Jordach <rubenwardy> NOPE
17:02 rubenwardy !kick PilzAdam FOR BEING A STUPID PRICK
17:02 rubenwardy PilzAdam!*@* added to ignore list.
17:02 Matsetes I thought that using the ip of the other player who is running the game will work
17:02 Calinou HUH, RUBENWARDY SAID SOME NON-CAP CHARACTERS
17:02 Matsetes What I have to do?
17:03 PilzAdam rubenwardy, MinetestBot cant handle mor than one word kick messages
17:03 Calinou :-)
17:03 lamefun how to export 3d models for use in Minetest?
17:03 rubenwardy !kick PilzAdam FOR_BEING_A_STUPID_PRICK
17:03 Calinou PilzAdam: forbeingastupidprick!
17:03 Calinou lamefun: .x is the best format for minetest
17:04 rubenwardy WHY IS PILZADAM A BELL END?
17:04 Calinou IIRC, only single-part models are supported
17:04 Jordach PilzAdam, if you cant handle the community then stay in -dev
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17:05 rubenwardy !rev RACECAR
17:05 MinetestBot RACECAR
17:05 Jordach !rev lol
17:05 MinetestBot lol
17:06 lamefun Calinou, x3d is XML, b3d is binary
17:09 lamefun and DirectX X exporter exports .x, not .b3d
17:10 Jordach lamefun, you can export as you plase
17:10 Jordach please*
17:10 Jordach if Irrlicht supports it, Minetest does too
17:11 Jordach b3d and .x are known to be supported
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17:12 Calinou b3d/x/map/md2/md3 will all work
17:12 Calinou but .x is the most common format in minetest, it is used by carts and player model
17:12 Jordach and i use it as well
17:12 Calinou text formats have their upsides, even if they are heavier
17:12 mitori and once again i want to ask for help
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17:12 Jordach yes milleja46
17:12 mitori i have run into nasty bug
17:12 Jordach mitori*
17:13 mitori my map doesn't save the environment
17:13 mitori onlyinventory
17:13 milleja46 bwaha ha ha
17:13 * milleja46 is busy watching the ps e3 live feed :P
17:13 VanessaE Calinou: why are you redefining a bunch of the default nodes, in moreblocks?
17:13 Jordach damit
17:13 Jordach i was going to say VanessaE is about
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17:14 VanessaE Jordach:  HIYAH!
17:14 mitori milleja46 and how is it?
17:14 VanessaE ninja'd again :D
17:14 Calinou VanessaE: lack of sunlight_propagates
17:14 Jordach VanessaE, i have omniscience
17:14 VanessaE PilzAdam:  ^^^^^^   can you two please get together and fix that?
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17:14 Jordach you can ask me you know
17:14 Jordach i could Pull Request it
17:15 milleja46 mitori: amazing, the devs with all the games they are putting out pulled out all the stops to get some amazing games this year
17:15 PilzAdam <mitori> my map doesn't save the environment <- are you sure that you really modify the inventory and not just a stack (i.e. call inv:set_stack())?
17:15 PilzAdam VanessaE, wut?
17:15 VanessaE PilzAdam: look at his changes and merge them into default and/or farming
17:15 mitori PilzAdam, not through the code. i actually PLAY. go to the menu. get back into the game. all the changes i made - gone
17:15 Calinou would be better if all drawtypes but normal and liquid/flowingliquid had sunlight_propagates = true by default
17:16 Jordach PilzAdam, add sunlight_propagates to nodes like ladders, fences
17:16 Jordach glass...
17:16 Calinou Jordach: my method should work fine
17:16 VanessaE Calinou: probably so, actually.
17:16 Jordach that too
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17:16 PilzAdam VanessaE, Calinou, Jordach, isnt that a rather hacky fix?
17:16 VanessaE all the nodes in minetest_game and minimal anywya
17:16 Jordach PilzAdam, NO
17:16 VanessaE PilzAdam: hacky fix for what?  plants shouldn't block sunlight
17:17 Calinou PilzAdam: no?
17:17 Calinou this is not harsh linux
17:18 VanessaE ditto for fences, ladders.
17:18 mitori http://imgur.com/Z5Dmfnl,7bHCFNX,Nk6DLLU
17:18 mitori three steps
17:18 Jordach mitori, album them next time
17:18 mitori ok
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17:19 Jordach it saves about 1/3 of the kb required to see the link
17:19 mitori alright, got you
17:19 Jordach <- has unlimited internet
17:19 VanessaE all objects should have sunlight_propagates unless that object would create a completely dark room if used to build one.
17:19 Jordach im just being me
17:19 VanessaE plants, ladders, saplings, fences, etc.
17:20 VanessaE s/would/should/
17:20 khonkhortisan noteblocks had that set wrong
17:20 Calinou unlimited internet here too, just like almost everyone
17:20 khonkhortisan I don't remember which way
17:20 lamefun Could not load mesh, file format seems to be unsupported
17:20 lamefun I exported as .x
17:20 lamefun same result with .obj
17:20 Jordach youre doing it wrong
17:20 PilzAdam VanessaE, sunlight_propagates means: "Dont block sunlight at all"; when we get hardware lighting that would mean: no shadows; I guess you dont want that
17:21 VanessaE PilzAdam: then change it later once we have hardware lighting.
17:21 lamefun cool error messages are very cool, cool
17:21 lamefun Could not load mesh
17:21 khonkhortisan a slab would allow light through horizontally but not vertically
17:21 PilzAdam VanessaE, thats exactly why its hacky
17:21 VanessaE for now, put calinou's changes in so he can stop redefining common nodes.
17:21 PilzAdam it should be independent from the lighting system
17:22 PilzAdam *of
17:22 Calinou no?
17:22 Calinou few nodes might require normal nodes to let light pass through or the inverse
17:22 Calinou eg. light blocks
17:22 VanessaE right
17:22 khonkhortisan ^ that's not a reusable redefine
17:22 lamefun how do I make it say what doesn't it like in my mesh?
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17:22 khonkhortisan One mod adds sunlight_propogates, a second mod adds an on_place function and loses the first change
17:22 VanessaE why would something like dirt have sunlight_propagates?  it wouldn't.  plants should for now, until they are able to cast shadows.
17:23 KikaRz VanessaE, i'm waiting yourz.
17:23 VanessaE KikaRz: busy arguing :)
17:23 KikaRz Ok.
17:23 KikaRz IF YOU TRY TO KILL VANESSAE, I'LL HACK YOU!
17:23 KikaRz that's one warning
17:23 khonkhortisan using what?
17:24 KikaRz 100 computers from Mega.co.nz and 20 from MediaFire.
17:24 KikaRz Kidding
17:24 KikaRz I'll just go to your homes, and kill you.
17:24 * Calinou crushes KikaRz using their case
17:24 khonkhortisan I was thinking something more along the lines of http://www.backtrack-linux.org/
17:24 khonkhortisan instead of a dos
17:27 lamefun How to make it give useful error messages about my mesh?
17:27 VanessaE PilzAdam: done yet? :)
17:27 PilzAdam hm?
17:28 VanessaE Calinou's changes to the various plants.
17:28 VanessaE the sunlight thing?
17:28 VanessaE we ain't getting hardware lighting for a while, if ever.  We need this now.
17:28 Calinou hardware lighting would cause too much complaints from the P4 owners club
17:28 PilzAdam its too hacky. period.
17:28 Calinou wtf?
17:28 VanessaE PilzAdam: it is NOT hacky!
17:28 Calinou PilzAdam: this is exactly not hacky
17:29 VanessaE sublight_propagates is supposed to be set to true on plants et.al
17:29 VanessaE s/sub/sun/
17:29 Calinou redefining ~15 nodes to fix something is hacky
17:29 KikaRz lol
17:29 PilzAdam it is light system independet; fix the light system rather than the nodes
17:29 VanessaE PilzAdam: NO!
17:29 VanessaE fix the damn nodes first.
17:29 PilzAdam "is supposed to be" {{cn}}
17:29 Calinou how would you "fix the light system", PilzAdam?
17:29 Calinou explain, please
17:29 VanessaE that can be fixed now.  fix the lighting system later if it can be fixed at all.
17:30 PilzAdam Calinou, -> hardware lighting -> beatiful shadows
17:30 VanessaE Calinou: he wants objects to be able to cast real shadows, which as I understand will be very CPU expensive.
17:31 Calinou PilzAdam: yes, but the notion of light level would be removed. = how do you make mobs spawn in the dark?
17:31 Calinou VanessaE: GPU intensive you mean
17:31 VanessaE Calinou: hardly, the way this game runs, most of the work is being done by the CPU :-/
17:31 Calinou and my PC could handle that ok
17:31 VanessaE (though ideally, it should be the GPU)
17:32 Calinou VanessaE: rendering is always done on the GPU
17:32 VanessaE Calinou: if it were being done as much by the GPU as it should be, I wouldn't be pulling 100% of one core and up to 75% of a second core just to do 30 fps.
17:33 Calinou your server is a particular case
17:33 PilzAdam VanessaE, ehm... I dont want to have real shadows in the current system
17:33 Calinou you probably get more than 30 FPS on a new world
17:33 VanessaE PilzAdam: then fix the nodes to work for the *current system*
17:33 Calinou PilzAdam: huh? so why do you want HW lighting?
17:33 PilzAdam Calinou, for shadows?
17:33 VanessaE Calinou: sure, I can break 90fps sometimes, but not if the map has any amount of useful stuff on it.
17:34 PilzAdam VanessaE, s/fix the nodes/use a hack to/
17:34 VanessaE PilzAdam:  it is not hacky.
17:34 VanessaE hacky would be fucking with the C++ code to fix it.
17:34 VanessaE (without really fixing it)
17:35 VanessaE changing a node definition because it's simply wrong for the current system is not hacky.
17:35 Calinou VanessaE: too much nodeboxes probably
17:35 PilzAdam making the node defintion based on the light system is hacky, not other way round
17:35 Calinou + occlusion culling that doesn't cull most stuff
17:36 VanessaE Calinou: I blame occlusion culling.
17:36 lamefun What part is responsible for those ultra-cool ultimate error messages?
17:36 Calinou PilzAdam: "bouncy" group is also a node definition based on the physics system
17:36 Calinou what's your point
17:36 VanessaE PilzAdam: the lighting system at present cannot handle making shadows, and it never will at the rate we're going.
17:36 lamefun irrlicht or minetest?
17:37 VanessaE so to refuse to fix a node definition so that it works properly is not hacky.
17:37 lamefun Maybe I'm missing texture, that's why?
17:37 PilzAdam VanessaE, it acutally creates shadows
17:37 Calinou lamefun: which one
17:37 lamefun No idea
17:37 Calinou not realtime ones, PilzAdam :P
17:37 Calinou lamefun: I mean which error message
17:38 lamefun Calinou, I exported my turret to .x, started the game and
17:38 lamefun Could not load mesh, file format seems to be unsupported:
17:38 lamefun 21:35:41: ERROR[main]: GenericCAO::addToScene(): Could not load mesh
17:38 lamefun very ultra ultimate cool error message
17:38 Calinou :/
17:38 Calinou it is explicit
17:38 Calinou so why are you sarcasming on it
17:38 lamefun because I want my mesh to work
17:39 sokomine are you doing models/meshs? if so, can you be conviniced of doing a few more animals? :-) we could need more
17:39 VanessaE PilzAdam: please.  just fix the node definitions.
17:39 lamefun That's why free is going to die and proprietary to prevail, they have locked-up education and industry standards. A normal, complete person would have given up already.
17:39 VanessaE you can't define against something we don't have, that's as wrong as it gets
17:40 lamefun was kicked by VanessaE:  don't start that shit again!
17:40 Calinou lamefun: fun fact: having more than one standard creates competition
17:40 Calinou lack of competition? hello 1000 euro celerons :>
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17:41 Matsetes Guy, is there anyone who can help me hosting a multiplayer?
17:42 Matsetes I configured the port but it does not work (or it seems so)
17:42 lamefun Calinou, what's the export format that's sure to load?
17:43 Calinou .x.
17:43 Calinou what blender version are you using, lamefun
17:43 Calinou Matsetes: explain "does not work"
17:43 Matsetes It load all the time... I'm trying with my own computer
17:44 lamefun latest
17:44 Matsetes I opened with advanced a world in local at port 30000
17:44 Matsetes I configured the router to open the port 30000
17:45 Matsetes I opened another windows of minetest and in multiplayer I wrote my ip and port 30000
17:46 Calinou le facepalm
17:46 Calinou to connect to your own PC: 127.0.0.1
17:46 Calinou to connect to PC on your network: your internal IP. see "ipconfig" or "ifconfig"
17:46 sfan5 wat
17:46 Calinou to connect to PC on other network: external IP
17:46 Calinou http://youripis.org for external IP
17:47 KikaRz Cool... VanessaE using bad language... * VanessaE expulsou lamefun de #minetest ( don't start that shit again!)
17:47 VanessaE you ain't seen me launch into a real tirade, KikaRz
17:47 VanessaE others here can surely remember my last one.
17:48 Matsetes Calinou ok, with 127.0.0.1 it works
17:48 lamefun Calinou, it's minetest's fault
17:49 PilzAdam nononono
17:49 Matsetes But how can I try if someone other can access to it?
17:49 lamefun I did this: model = "mgturret" instead of mesh = "mgturret.x"
17:49 PilzAdam _MY_ IP is 127.0.0.1.
17:49 Calinou Matsetes: tell someone from another network
17:49 lamefun it should have said: mesh not speficied or mesh "" not found
17:49 Calinou or possibly just find names
17:49 Calinou it does this already
17:49 Calinou texture = "default_stone" searches for default_stone.png, iirc
17:49 Calinou not 100% sure
17:49 Matsetes Calinou Ok, thank's I'll wait for someone
17:50 * Calinou also has 127.0.0.1
17:50 Jordach me too
17:50 * Calinou invents first 128 bit CPU
17:50 Calinou oh I have 126,2323.0.0.1,115
17:51 * Jordach invents 2048 bit CPU
17:52 Calinou not the first one? sucks
17:52 Calinou AMD probably beat you to it
17:53 Jordach Calinou, its called 64 Pi's strapped together
17:54 KikaRz <VanessaE> WAIT DAMN IT
17:54 KikaRz <KikaRz> ok.
17:54 KikaRz <KikaRz> sowwy.
17:54 KikaRz That's the start of a tirade.
17:55 * sfan5 's ip is 127.273.1.6
17:55 MinetestBot minetest.org:30015 is up (502ms)
17:55 Jordach <- runs windows 7
17:56 whirm joined #minetest
17:56 Jordach mines 192.2.0.2
17:56 Jordach my clementine server is at 192.2.0.3
17:56 Jordach (i use it like spotify)
17:57 KikaRz Really... Now you are talking about IPs?
17:58 Calinou le me finishes a trackmania track, le me is last
17:58 Calinou if noone does worse than me, I get no ladder points :(
17:58 Calinou Jordach: you're on win7 now? weren't you on vista?
17:58 Jordach Calinou, upgraded
17:59 Jordach Calinou, my next target is 8 during next year
17:59 Jordach and this is nearly a 10yr old tower
17:59 Calinou Jordach: paid, or haxored? :P
17:59 Jordach paid
17:59 Calinou john_minetest: yeah, pressforwards
17:59 Jordach its 25 quid
17:59 Calinou pretty boring in multiplayer :P
17:59 Calinou I mostly play fullspeed
17:59 Calinou I'm 8423rd
18:00 Calinou yey one did 38.51 while I did 38.40
18:00 Calinou a guy who is 5873rd... gimme your LP >:D
18:01 Calinou +15.54 :>
18:03 Matsetes Thanks, Calinou, I solved
18:08 Calinou np
18:17 Jordach btw, a nice hole in GPL3
18:18 Jordach delete the source when the app starts
18:18 Calinou "Jordach is allowed to do anything he wants with GPL3"
18:18 Calinou written by RMS at the end
18:18 * Jordach slaps Calinou with a MS Mouse
18:18 * Calinou counterattacks using his G500
18:18 * Jordach counters with a Windows Surface
18:19 Jordach <Calinou> touché
18:19 Jordach microsoft*
18:19 sfan5 meow
18:19 * Jordach hands MinetestBot a kitten
18:19 Jordach MinetestBot, should at random times, just meow
18:20 * khonkhortisan runs in holding a logitech mouse over his head
18:20 PilzAdam sfan5, why doesnt /msg MinetestBot msg #minetest meow  work?
18:20 PilzAdam uh, missing !
18:20 MinetestBot meow
18:20 sfan5 MinetestBot: meow
18:21 sfan5 Jordach: goin' to add that now
18:21 PilzAdam MinetestBot, reaload kitten
18:21 Jordach sfan5, when no one has spoken for 10 mins, it starts a time in mins
18:21 Jordach (at random) then counts until then the does that again
18:21 PilzAdam MinetestBot: reaload kitten
18:21 Jordach (maybe 30 mins)
18:21 sfan5 *reload
18:21 PilzAdam MinetestBot: reload kitten
18:21 MinetestBot PilzAdam: kitten: no such module!
18:21 KikaRz !c 16/2
18:21 Jordach 8
18:22 KikaRz Thank you.
18:22 sfan5 hahahaha
18:22 Jordach ninja'd MinetestBot
18:22 KikaRz MinetestBot, I hate you... stupid Meow.
18:22 Calinou fail
18:22 Jordach i have a maths exam tomorrow :P
18:22 Calinou oh you need to use !msg apparently
18:23 sfan5 hm
18:23 sfan5 this is tricky
18:24 * Jordach gives MinetestBot some diet coke + pop rocks
18:25 MinetestBot *plop*
18:25 Jordach <- evil bastard
18:25 * john_minetest puts an decoffeined kitten on Jordach's head
18:25 Jordach caffiened*
18:25 MinetestBot *cat rocket starts and flies to moon*
18:25 MinetestBot whoooosshhh!
18:25 Calinou nope, still not
18:26 Calinou coke and centos
18:26 Jordach and thats the start of Nyan Cat
18:26 Jordach MentOs
18:26 Jordach OS*
18:26 MinetestBot KikaRz, I hate you... stupid Meow.
18:26 Jordach why isnt there one
18:26 * Jordach says hold the fuck on
18:26 Jordach RENDER TIME!
18:26 * Calinou renders to Jordach
18:26 * sfan5 holds the "fuck"
18:27 khonkhortisan VanessaE, moretrees_fir_trunk_top.jpg 0x89 0x50
18:27 KikaRz MinetestBot, shut up, and write in your diary...
18:27 KikaRz Dear diary... Today, I met one stupid cat, and I tried to be like him... Result: FAILED
18:27 KikaRz KikaRz had a fight with me... That little beautiful...
18:27 Jordach <Boris_Johnson> very nice.
18:28 MinetestBot KikaRz: no! >:(
18:28 Jordach ha#
18:28 Calinou KikaRz: you fight yourself?
18:28 KikaRz Yes! You were made for that! You moron! Go get some lemons!
18:28 KikaRz No Calinou , it's MinetestBot diary.
18:28 khonkhortisan umm my singleplayer world list is empty
18:28 khonkhortisan I just updated minetest
18:29 KikaRz khonkhortisan
18:29 * Calinou changed their signature
18:29 VanessaE khonkhortisan: I thought I fixed that texture?
18:29 KikaRz did you know that NEW version CORRUPTED my best world?
18:29 VanessaE huh, I guess I missed that one.
18:29 khonkhortisan For now I only lost the world list
18:30 * Calinou reads "NSFW" instead of "NEW"
18:30 * Calinou goes to make a NSFW version of More Blocks that corrupts worlds
18:30 Calinou (only if the user thinks it is the best world)
18:30 * john_minetest reads "NTFS" instead of "NSFW"
18:31 khonkhortisan you can track statistics of what world is run the most
18:31 * KikaRz reads "Fat32" as her weight-balance. :(
18:31 Jordach john_minetest, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt6iTwVIiMM
18:31 * khonkhortisan reads "NTP" instead of "NTFS"
18:31 PilzAdam New win32 build with the new sounds: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4547
18:32 Calinou khonkhortisan: NTP is evil
18:32 khonkhortisan why?
18:32 Calinou so NTFS, NSFW and NEW are evil
18:32 VanessaE khonkhortisan: fixed in git.
18:32 khonkhortisan I know it skipped a second and caused a kernel panic
18:32 VanessaE PilzAdam: fix those node defs yet? :)
18:33 khonkhortisan Minetest must be telling me to stop cloning the Null Cell and play on public servers instead :P
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18:37 khonkhortisan the local world list broke. Anyone know the fix?
18:37 Calinou khonkhortisan: world list is per game
18:37 khonkhortisan ah.
18:37 Calinou at bottom left of screen you can change games
18:37 Calinou PilzAdam: you should make the fact that world list is per game more obvious
18:37 khonkhortisan they're all empty
18:37 Calinou (or show worlds of all games...)
18:40 khonkhortisan My name is now Guest4050 in the multiplayer tab
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18:47 khonkhortisan GL_OUT_OF_MEMORY Could not bind Texture - it's blinking between Item textures... loading bar and blackness
18:47 khonkhortisan My minetest is broken
18:47 khonkhortisan I'm barely using any swap at all!
18:47 khonkhortisan maybe it's video memory
18:48 khonkhortisan and it switched back to qwerty
18:49 thexyz this error is about video memory
18:52 khonkhortisan src/minetest/bin/minetest has created a minetest.conf in src/minetest/, instead of using the one in ~/.minetest/
18:52 khonkhortisan RUN_IN_PLACE is still true
18:55 khonkhortisan ln -s gives me my configuration back, but my worlds are still missing
18:59 khonkhortisan that video memory error happened because preload item visuals is on by default
19:01 KikaRz khonkhortisan, this stupid new version fucked up our worlds
19:05 khonkhortisan From what I can tell, the only change is using the minetest source folder instead of the .minetest configuration folder
19:06 MinetestBot john_minetest: Sorry, I haven't seen zeg9 around.
19:06 khonkhortisan Try turning RUN_IN_PLACE off
19:07 Jordach does anyone have a copy of the stu's player model
19:07 khonkhortisan huh. Now it compiles the server before the client
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19:08 khonkhortisan turning off RUN_IN_PLACE made my font really small, and made there only be minimal to pick from
19:09 khonkhortisan okay, so the solution for me was to turn of RUN_IN_PLACE and to ln -s ~/src/minetest/games ~/.minetest/games
19:10 khonkhortisan ModError: Failed to load and run /usr/local/share/minetest/builtin/builtin.lua
19:10 khonkhortisan Almost had it
19:11 khonkhortisan I'll just install then.
19:12 khonkhortisan How odd. Installing made my font bigger again
19:12 Jordach VanessaE, do you have a copy of the stu's player model
19:12 Jordach (in blend.)
19:14 khonkhortisan Now I want to know how to change the font size
19:14 khonkhortisan I see
19:15 VanessaE um
19:15 Jordach the original one on omploader is gone
19:16 VanessaE wait, I have a .blend here, might be the one you want?
19:17 PilzAdam !deop VanessaE
19:17 PilzAdam >:-)
19:17 Jordach VanessaE, git it
19:17 Jordach or somewhere
19:17 khonkhortisan !op VanessaE
19:17 VanessaE Jordach, try this:  http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/stu-model.zip
19:17 Jordach might be the droid im looking for
19:18 Jordach YES
19:18 Jordach YES IT IS
19:18 VanessaE \o/
19:18 khonkhortisan !rev EassenaV ot sutats rotarepo lennahc sevig
19:18 MinetestBot gives channel operator status to VanessaE
19:19 VanessaE Jordach: there is a dropbox link on stu's first post?
19:19 Jordach VanessaE, it does not contain the source blend
19:19 VanessaE ah
19:19 PilzAdam !rev tset em\
19:19 MinetestBot \\me test
19:19 PilzAdam awww
19:19 VanessaE feel free to spread that
19:19 khonkhortisan !rev tset me/
19:19 MinetestBot /em test
19:19 khonkhortisan !rev tset em/
19:19 MinetestBot /me test
19:20 PilzAdam madAzliP kcik/
19:20 PilzAdam !rev madAzliP kcik/
19:20 MinetestBot /kick PilzAdam
19:20 khonkhortisan !rev madAzliP kcik!
19:20 MinetestBot !kick PilzAdam
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19:20 * khonkhortisan is now known as madAzliP
19:21 Jordach cmon
19:21 Jordach quit playing with MinetestBot
19:21 Jordach .....thats my job :P
19:21 Jordach VanessaE, nope.
19:21 MinetestBot Keep playing with me
19:21 PilzAdam ^ twss
19:21 khonkhortisan Small fonts give me more screen space
19:22 Tesseract PilzAdam: \x01ACTION test\x01 With real \x01 backwards. (or use b64d)
19:22 khonkhortisan I might as well separate my games from minimal
19:23 VanessaE Jordach: nope what?
19:23 Jordach VanessaE, arms and legs not doubled up
19:23 VanessaE damn, that must have been the .blend for the old char model :(
19:23 Jordach as seen in my renders
19:24 Jordach leme check my mediafire
19:24 VanessaE can't you import the .x and revise it as needed?
19:24 Jordach VanessaE, nope
19:24 Jordach .x isnt importable
19:24 VanessaE damn
19:24 Jordach *technically* its possibly
19:24 Jordach possible*
19:24 VanessaE wait, lemme look some more
19:24 Jordach but i then lose the bones and UV layout
19:25 VanessaE hah!
19:25 VanessaE found it.
19:25 Jordach hold on
19:25 Jordach VanessaE, gogogo
19:26 Jordach ssh that bastard
19:26 VanessaE re-download the zip file
19:26 VanessaE this is the contents of the folder that I got when I extracted the only zip I ever downloaded.
19:26 VanessaE if this one's wrong, then stu distributed the wrong .blend :)
19:26 VanessaE ssh hell, I use rsync over ssl :)
19:27 Jordach now this IS THE DROID IM LOOKING FOR
19:27 VanessaE is it?
19:27 * khonkhortisan moved stuff to ~/.minetest/games and ~/.minetest/textures/all
19:27 Jordach VanessaE, thats the correct model
19:27 VanessaE yay!
19:28 * Jordach gives VanessaE a kitten
19:30 Jordach i also plan on fixing the biggest mistake on the player model to date
19:30 Jordach the eyes and mouth should be shifted up one set of pixels
19:30 khonkhortisan the player is ambidextrous?
19:31 Jordach aw, im out of mints
19:31 khonkhortisan Should I put minetest_game in ~/.minetest/games/ or in src/minetest/games/ where make install won't complain?
19:34 Jordach holy shit
19:34 Jordach i forgot to install GIMP
19:34 Jordach john_minetest, ambiance mod
19:35 VanessaE Jordach: ambi...what he said
19:35 khonkhortisan ambient -> ambiance
19:35 Jordach it also has some of my tracks in it
19:35 Jordach which are beautiful
19:35 khonkhortisan install the gimp that has image tabs
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19:59 Jordach hey Menche
19:59 KikaRz Jordach, she's busy.
19:59 Jordach wait what
20:00 KikaRz Jordach, she's doing a loop
20:00 KikaRz Jordach, i'm talking about Vanessa
20:00 Jordach ah
20:00 KikaRz Guys, I'm on a votation
20:00 KikaRz wait
20:00 KikaRz IDK the verb
20:00 KikaRz I'm making a vote.
20:01 KikaRz Should I launch my mod to public today?
20:02 Jordach sure
20:03 VanessaE I'm helping her write a mod.
20:05 Jordach protip: make sure i get the scale of the second model right
20:05 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/dvDBs4n.png
20:06 PilzAdam mitori, are you here?
20:09 mitori Pilzadam now
20:09 PilzAdam have you seen the latest commit in minetest_game about sounds?
20:09 mitori Jordach cool pic
20:09 mitori no
20:09 mitori not yet
20:09 Jordach the female skin is actually MinetestBot
20:10 Jordach (and more SMOOTH than sam)
20:10 MinetestBot Jordach, <3
20:10 mitori MinetestBot <- i like him
20:10 Jordach her*
20:10 MinetestBot *her
20:11 mitori NO HIM. I don't care if you are a male or female.
20:11 PilzAdam mitori, https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commit/179f4c3f91f95ef988dfa9103432783ddd1d245e
20:11 MinetestBot mitori, >:-(
20:11 PilzAdam bots are always female
20:11 mitori okay. so what do you want for me to say/do?
20:12 Jordach the joys of windows 7
20:12 Jordach (nearly typed 8 then!)
20:12 mitori PilzAdam, they maybe in german, which has such grammar stuff
20:12 mitori they may be*
20:12 PilzAdam mitori, I want to hear what you think about that
20:12 Jordach mitori, ask thexyz even he says its a gir;
20:12 Jordach girl*
20:13 mitori but ok. sorry, minetestbot. i didn't want to offend you ar anyhting
20:13 mitori Jordach so?
20:14 PilzAdam mitori, basics of the internet: everyone is male; if someone claims to be female then hes a liar; if someone claims to be a child, hes an FBI agent
20:14 mitori THAT'S THE POINT
20:15 Jordach robots are always girls
20:15 Jordach period.
20:15 Jordach hehe period.
20:15 mitori Jordach since then?
20:15 mitori when*
20:15 Jordach MinetestBot used to be called MinetestTan
20:15 Jordach and Chan*
20:15 PilzAdam anyway, mitori, any progress on the sound variants?
20:15 mitori just a sec
20:15 mitori [00:15] <Jordach> MinetestBot used to be called MinetestTan THAT CHANGES THE DEAL!
20:16 PilzAdam Jordach, wtf are you talking about? MinetestTan is gone long time ago
20:16 Jordach anyways; moved the eyes up a bit: http://i.imgur.com/9B5KaaF.png
20:16 Jordach this makes it soooooooooooooooooo much better
20:17 Jordach and pavel's model can now have a actual mouth
20:17 Jordach (might need to trim the hair a tad
20:17 Jordach (best case, i'll probably redo the head and arms with my shader pow-ah!)
20:17 Jordach )
20:17 Jordach </html>
20:18 Jordach anyways, im fucking off for some time
20:18 Jordach laters.
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20:18 mitori PilzAdam, nice, but quite meaningless
20:18 PilzAdam hm?
20:18 mitori i don't like how it sounds with trees and stones, but when it comes to dirt
20:19 mitori it just fades away when you walk
20:19 mitori and when you're standing, it's fine
20:19 mitori it's quite good
20:19 mitori dunno, overall i would say that that is good
20:19 mitori because that lift a lot of pressure from players years
20:19 mitori ears*
20:20 PilzAdam as VanessaE said: better than the plop sound
20:21 mitori yeah. still not liking stone and trees stuff.
20:21 mitori offtopic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8iRmkORbKE
20:23 mitori main_menu.ogg is the music (sound) playing in the bg in main menu?
20:23 PilzAdam yes
20:24 PilzAdam I would buy an PS 4 ASAP if they had the xbox gamepad
20:26 iqualfragile you might be able to connect the xbox gamepad to the ps4
20:26 iqualfragile which reminds me that i wanted to buy a gamepad
20:28 iqualfragile short summary of mitoris link: fuck you microsoft
20:29 iqualfragile haha, yeah, shure 399  dollars is about 250 pounds
20:30 PilzAdam and 399 dollars equals 399 euros
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20:32 * KikaRz announces:
20:32 lordcirth What happened to event.pin in mesecons_luacontroller? It doesn't work anymore.
20:33 Calinou <Jordach> anyways; moved the eyes up a bit: http://i.imgur.com/9B5KaaF.png
20:33 KikaRz Tomorrow: A Mod made by VanessaE, KikaRz and D***D******
20:33 Calinou Sam now has poker face :D
20:33 Calinou KikaRz: DickDickdick?
20:33 KikaRz ColoredBlocks
20:33 KikaRz no Calinou
20:33 KikaRz it's my brother.
20:33 Calinou \o/ YACBM
20:33 KikaRz I can't give the name because it's secret.
20:33 PilzAdam KikaRz, WOOOOWWW! I CANT WAIT FOR YOUR COOOOOOOOL MOOOODDDDDDDD!
20:34 Calinou ^
20:35 KikaRz PilzAdam, sarcasm detected.
20:35 KikaRz Really... Will be cool.
20:36 KikaRz You'll be able to do this:
20:36 KikaRz http://i.imgur.com/mYNiCCc.png
20:36 KikaRz And you will be able to do...
20:36 KikaRz wait
20:36 PilzAdam HOW COOOLLLLL!! IT MAKES MY EYES BLEED!
20:37 KikaRz PilzAdam, shut the fuck up, you damn bastard.
20:38 iqualfragile awsome, brwighthht colarz!!
20:38 KikaRz Nope
20:38 KikaRz Not too bright
20:39 KikaRz That's my screen brightness that makes the blocks be like that
20:39 KikaRz and the game
20:44 KikaRz http://i.imgur.com/YIGZgyR.png
20:44 khonkhortisan your screen brightness doesn't affect screenshots
20:45 KikaRz ...
20:45 KikaRz My Screen Resolution affects brightness
20:46 VanessaE maybe she has to compensate for it via some X setting?
20:46 VanessaE in which case, I would assume a screenshot would reflect the change
20:46 PilzAdam sure, KikaRz is the usual user that edits xorg.conf
20:46 KikaRz ... Shut the hell up you mother f************
20:46 Calinou nvidia-settings can also change X color correction :P
20:47 KikaRz Ignored.
20:47 Calinou KikaRz is probably just working with dell
20:47 KikaRz I'm tired of stupid commentaries by PilzAdam
20:47 KikaRz Nope Calinou
20:47 Calinou Dell® Minetest Monitor Calibration
20:47 Calinou :-)
20:47 KikaRz lol
20:47 Calinou do, do-do-do-do
20:47 KikaRz do-do-do = dodo do?
20:47 KikaRz dodo do whatever he does.
20:47 KikaRz XD
20:48 khonkhortisan f************ = fabulousness!
20:50 KikaRz fucker.
20:51 khonkhortisan no it isn't. Too many asterisks.
20:51 Calinou KikaRz: no, that's intel's 5-tone song
20:51 Calinou but it's not that easy to guess :P
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20:53 iqualfragile it was kind of sarcastic, its just another add-lots-of-shiny-blocks mod
20:53 Calinou just like moreblocks? 8)
20:54 KikaRz No iqualfragile
20:54 KikaRz and they aren't shiny!
20:54 KikaRz damn, fuck that shiny intelligence.
20:54 lordcirth ahah, I found the change in luaC, you have to use event.pin.name instead of event.pin now.
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21:08 KikaRz IDK if I'm gonna launch my mod today
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21:16 imada Bonsoir
21:16 imada des français ici ?
21:16 Uberi salut
21:16 imada salut Uberi
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21:19 imada Vous jouez sur quels serveurs ?
21:19 KikaRz ONLY ENGLISH!
21:19 KikaRz ONLY ENGLISH!
21:19 KikaRz ONLY ENGLISH!
21:19 KikaRz was kicked by ShadowBot: Repetition flood detected.
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21:19 VanessaE KikaRz, relax
21:19 KikaRz lawl
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21:20 KikaRz I just dislike people talking languages that I didn't learn
21:20 KikaRz like FRENCH
21:20 imada ok, sorry
21:20 KikaRz Well, now that you started, you can continue
21:20 Uberi imada: singleplayer for me :)
21:21 imada Uberi: I play on a little personnal server with 2 others friends
21:21 Uberi mostly playing in creative with Mesecons and building ridiculous structures
21:21 Uberi cool, creative or survival?
21:21 Exio KikaRz: what languages do you speak?
21:22 Exio inb4 "fuck you"
21:22 KikaRz Deutsch, "2%" Italian, "100%" Spanish, "100%" Portuguese, "fluent" English, "10%" French, "99,9%" Portuguese (Brazil), "0,01%" Arabiii
21:22 KikaRz :P
21:23 KikaRz and it's "10%" Deutsch
21:23 PilzAdam Du sprichst Deustsch? oO
21:23 imada Uberi: i play in survival, but it's very calm for the moment
21:24 Exio KikaRz: hablas español? e italiano?
21:24 Uberi I speak whatever languages Google Translate supports :P
21:24 KikaRz si, si.
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21:24 Uberi imada: sounds like a lot of fun
21:24 KikaRz Ja.
21:24 Exio i'm learning italian :P
21:24 Exio (and native spanish speaker)
21:25 KikaRz de donde eres?
21:25 Exio argentina
21:25 KikaRz yo soy de Valladolid en España, pero estoy en Portugal... es una mierda.
21:25 Exio ew
21:25 PilzAdam <KikaRz> ONLY ENGLISH!
21:26 KikaRz he tenido un amigo, que se ha suicidado, en argeentina
21:26 Uberi rules are for other people!
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21:46 Topic for #minetest is now http://minetest.net | NEWS: Minetest 0.4.7 released | RULES: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels | CORE DEVS: #minetest-dev | STATUS: http://servers.minetest.net/ | IRC LOGS: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/
21:52 KikaRz ...
21:52 KikaRz Not my rules.
21:52 KikaRz Channel Rules
21:52 KikaRz -.-
21:52 KikaRz Talk with the channel
21:52 KikaRz '-'
21:52 KikaRz was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
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21:52 KikaRz stupid john_minetest did spam... and I'm kicked?
21:52 KikaRz '-'
21:52 VanessaE KikaRz: there really are words that long in some langages.
21:52 VanessaE languages*
21:53 VanessaE some name of a city isn't it?
21:53 KikaRz ... not in English -.-
21:53 VanessaE oh heh, getting it confused for the other one then :)
21:53 Uberi rolls right off the tongue, doesn't it?
21:53 iqualfragile yeah, but the german language has the advantage that you can stack words
21:54 iqualfragile to infinity
21:54 VanessaE Uberi: yeah, if you're ALICE COOPER>
21:54 VanessaE ":)
21:55 iqualfragile dampfschifffahrtskapitänsmützenreingiersasistentenfrauenkleiderweber is what you ment vanessae
21:55 KikaRz poor google translator
21:55 VanessaE don't you use that tone of voice with ME :)
21:55 KikaRz he has no vantages with German
21:55 PilzAdam iqualfragile, Oberweserdampfschifffartsgesellschaft*
21:56 iqualfragile oh, right
21:56 iqualfragile Oberweserdampfschifffartsgesellschaftskapitänsmützenreingiersasistentenfrauenkleiderweber
21:56 KikaRz ...
21:56 VanessaE actually there's one term in english, of medical derivation if I remember right, that's like 110 chars long or some such
21:56 KikaRz Tell us!!!
21:57 iqualfragile its allways funny looking at videos of americans on youtube who are presenting the longest german word :D
21:57 VanessaE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_word_in_English
21:57 VanessaE 189,819 characters, after that one, 1909 :)
21:58 KikaRz Longest word in Portuguese: Otorrinolaringologista
21:58 KikaRz That means:
21:59 KikaRz ENT
21:59 KikaRz Or:
21:59 KikaRz otorhinolaringologist
21:59 KikaRz ENT in German
21:59 PilzAdam VanessaE, titin is also named in the german wikipedia as a "long word", but not "the longest"
21:59 PilzAdam well, the IUPAC version of titin
22:00 Uberi titin would be filed under "jargon", no?
22:00 Uberi I could invent the study of titin, and that would be called titin....ology, 5 letters longer
22:01 KikaRz Let's exceed limit of nodes!
22:01 KikaRz 900 nodes (with stairs, slabs, colors, mixes...)
22:01 KikaRz :P
22:01 PilzAdam KikaRz, do this mod without the words "for", "while", "until" and "goto"
22:01 PilzAdam and "function"
22:02 iqualfragile PilzAdam: goto?
22:02 Uberi new lua has goto, apparently
22:02 KikaRz lawl
22:02 KikaRz we've done
22:02 KikaRz with that
22:02 KikaRz :P
22:02 KikaRz why?
22:03 KikaRz was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
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22:03 KikaRz why?
22:03 PilzAdam KikaRz, one sentence per line, not one word
22:03 iqualfragile VanessaE: think about the way the word for tritin is constructed. now immagine you could do that with every word and you will know how the german language works
22:03 KikaRz VanessaE, '-'
22:03 Uberi KikaRz: so you can write it in a Luacontroller, of course!
22:04 KikaRz Methionylthreonylthreonylglutaminylala…
22:04 KikaRz ylglutaminylprolylleucylglutaminylsery…
22:04 KikaRz lserylthreonylalanylthreonylphenylalan…
22:04 KikaRz rylglycylphenylalanylprolylvalylprolyl…
22:04 KikaRz lanylarginylaspartylglycylglutaminylva…
22:04 KikaRz nylleucylprolylglycylvalylglutaminylis…
22:04 KikaRz was kicked by ShadowBot: Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like ix.io or pastebin.ubuntu.com.
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22:04 KikaRz eonylasparaginylglycylserylglycylgluta…
22:04 KikaRz nylglutamylleucylleucylvalyllysylalany…
22:04 KikaRz asparaginylphenylalanylvalylglutaminyl…
22:04 KikaRz ylthreonylvalylarginylglutaminylglycyl…
22:04 KikaRz utaminylvalylarginylvalylthreonylglycy…
22:04 PilzAdam KikaRz, stop it or ban
22:04 KikaRz lylvalyllysylphenylalanyltyrosylarginy…
22:04 KikaRz was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
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22:04 KikaRz serylvalylasparaginylalanylthreonylasp…
22:04 KikaRz ylthreonylserylthreonylalanylglutamyll…
22:04 KikaRz tamylglutamylglutamylvalylprolylalanyl…
22:04 PilzAdam !op
22:04 KikaRz eucylvalylserylthreonylalanylglutaminy…
22:04 KikaRz glutaminylthreonylarginylisoleucylglut…
22:04 KikaRz ylhistidylphenylalanylaspartylalanylar…
22:04 KikaRz lylglutamylmethionylvalylisoleucylaspa…
22:04 KikaRz was kicked by PilzAdam: KikaRz
22:05 VanessaE wtf?
22:05 Uberi hmm
22:05 Uberi looks like his script got out of control
22:06 PilzAdam leave the ban for a day or two
22:06 VanessaE no.
22:06 VanessaE it was a paste error
22:06 VanessaE she meant to paste a link, not the contents of it.
22:06 PilzAdam yes, he told me in PM
22:06 VanessaE she*
22:06 PilzAdam *he
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22:07 KikaRz See ya tomorrow guys.
22:07 Exio her*?
22:07 Uberi it's the gender neutral "his", in this case
22:07 Uberi which I just made up a few seconds ago but is now part of the English language
22:08 Uberi o/
22:08 KikaRz her, uberi.
22:08 Uberi thon
22:08 KikaRz i'm a girl
22:11 iqualfragile pics or it did not happen
22:12 VanessaE https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=225073880952322&amp;set=a.173365742789803.35755.100003491346789&amp;type=1&amp;theater
22:12 VanessaE kikarz ^^^
22:16 Exio k
22:17 PilzAdam VanessaE, no, you are that ^^^
22:18 VanessaE PilzAdam: I wish I looked that good, shiiit.
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22:18 Mati^1 hi
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22:20 VanessaE er, nice of him to hang out long enough to get a response.
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22:23 Exio hi/part
22:23 Exio oops
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22:52 Architect hi
22:52 Uberi hi
22:53 * Taoki salutes the new sounds added in GIT today!
22:56 Architect anyone else on?
22:56 Uberi no, we're just figments of your imagination
22:58 PilzAdam Architect, sry, was AFK
22:58 PilzAdam Architect, I am not a moderator on the forums, I dont know why you were banned
22:59 PilzAdam Architect, what is your username?
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23:06 Architect Shiftus
23:12 PilzAdam well, you are not banned
23:12 PilzAdam http://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?id=3657
23:13 Architect must have been some sort of glitch
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23:33 PilzAdam bye
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