| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:00 |
jojoa1997 |
Let's use Minecraft's ones :-) |
| 00:00 |
jordan4ibanez |
It's not something to take lightly, this game, is an incredible engine, and -dev is just using it to turn it into Minecraft. |
| 00:00 |
jordan4ibanez |
I had to take a break, so I would not leave, when I realized this. |
| 00:01 |
BlockMen |
ok, i need to sleep. gd n8t |
| 00:01 |
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| 00:01 |
arsdragonfly |
jordan4ibanez: the next time they add a new feature, they should say "because it's NOT in minecraft" |
| 00:02 |
hmmmm |
umm.. |
| 00:02 |
jordan4ibanez |
No, "Because it's a cool idea". |
| 00:02 |
khonkhortisan |
mod-controlled client gui |
| 00:02 |
hmmmm |
jordan4ibanez, what's the problem |
| 00:02 |
khonkhortisan |
that's not in mc |
| 00:02 |
jojoa1997 |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6--kTcODn8 |
| 00:02 |
hmmmm |
i don't get how you're so upset that there are a lot of elements from minecraft here in the default game |
| 00:02 |
hmmmm |
there's a reason why everything's modifiable |
| 00:02 |
hmmmm |
if you don't like it, you can change it |
| 00:03 |
hmmmm |
you can't do that with minecraft, minecraft will always be minecraft |
| 00:03 |
arsdragonfly |
Yea,a cool idea that minecraft hasn't implemented |
| 00:03 |
hmmmm |
so shut up and do something productive instead of bitch about it. |
| 00:03 |
jordan4ibanez |
I'm not upset about that. I'm upset, because a lot of cool features, are being rejected, because the -dev team thinks that a feature will cause arguments in a scenario at some point in time. |
| 00:03 |
hmmmm |
it's completely in your power. |
| 00:03 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: I believe the argument is that it shouldn't need changed - it should be available by default - if someone doesn't want it, it's a lot easier to delete a folder than to track down and install a mod if the feature doesN'T exist. |
| 00:03 |
VanessaE |
whatever "it" might be. |
| 00:04 |
hmmmm |
indeed |
| 00:04 |
jordan4ibanez |
Fuck you hmmmm. This isn't about modability, it's about the default game. And that people who don't know that the forums even exist, think that this game is a pile of fucking dog shit because of the blandness. |
| 00:05 |
hmmmm |
the default game is fine as it is. |
| 00:05 |
hmmmm |
again, YOU are the one with the complaints |
| 00:05 |
hmmmm |
you're the minority |
| 00:05 |
hmmmm |
and this game is awesome, you couldn't make something better no matter how hard you tried |
| 00:05 |
hmmmm |
stop complaining and be grateful |
| 00:05 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: he tried before if I recall right :) |
| 00:05 |
hmmmm |
minetest could just not exist and you'd be stuck with nothing |
| 00:06 |
jordan4ibanez |
When I try to tell people about Minetest, they tell me, "Wow this game is a piece of fucking shit" Every where I go. I have to explain to people about mods. Imgur, Reddit, Facebook, Youtube, different IRC channels, anything. It's the same thing from everyone. How am I supposed to bring people to this game if the default game sucks so much ass? |
| 00:06 |
hmmmm |
mods are well-advertised on the website |
| 00:06 |
hmmmm |
on its very own, minetest is technically superior to minecraft in pretty much every way possible |
| 00:06 |
kahrl_ |
tell them to install the dwarves game or whatever? |
| 00:07 |
jordan4ibanez |
Like I said, people expect a some-what exciting game out of the box at least, and this game mode as it is, is not. I will leave that at this. |
| 00:07 |
jojoa1997 |
hmmmm i think the default game should have alot more |
| 00:07 |
VanessaE |
One thing that would help is if we stopped calling the "default" game "minetest" but picked something entirely different from the engine. |
| 00:07 |
VanessaE |
tell the user, "get the minetest engine and the XXX game pack" |
| 00:07 |
jojoa1997 |
i think common would be better with more added |
| 00:07 |
VanessaE |
otherwise they will assume "get the minetest engine and the minetest_game pack" |
| 00:08 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997: common isn't a game, it's more like a library |
| 00:08 |
arsdragonfly |
Those who say that one game is a fucking shit at the first glance shouldn't exist in the minetest community |
| 00:08 |
jojoa1997 |
ok but you get my point |
| 00:08 |
jojoa1997 |
more needs to be added |
| 00:08 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997: and more is being added. |
| 00:08 |
jojoa1997 |
yes |
| 00:08 |
jojoa1997 |
stop |
| 00:08 |
jojoa1997 |
i am saying more needs to get added and a lot more is added |
| 00:08 |
VanessaE |
the problem is what other games draw from that "library". |
| 00:08 |
jojoa1997 |
and is bing added |
| 00:09 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: isn't it time we started thinking about new names for the standard games? I think it would solve a lot of problems. |
| 00:09 |
hmmmm |
i suppose so |
| 00:10 |
jojoa1997 |
what we need is to put all the mods in the current game versions and have them use those mods. cause it would be easier for other games(minitest) to use it from common |
| 00:10 |
hmmmm |
it's just that i can't understand this anti-dev sentiment that everybody seems to have |
| 00:10 |
hmmmm |
we are giving them something for free |
| 00:10 |
hmmmm |
something that takes a lot of time, effort and skill that they clearly lack |
| 00:10 |
emptty |
at first I though that jordan4ibanez was joking |
| 00:10 |
hmmmm |
and then they shit in our face and tell us "fuck you" |
| 00:10 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: well, haven't you noticed the pattern in all of these complaints? |
| 00:11 |
hmmmm |
i feel like we should start banning these people, but it'd probably go too far |
| 00:11 |
emptty |
side note: I am very grateful to what you guys did :) |
| 00:12 |
hmmmm |
vanessae, not really, what? |
| 00:12 |
VanessaE |
the pattern I see is that "the engine is good, but no one is willing to entertain the idea of adding feature X to one of the default games", to the point that the desire to avoid that feature turns into a perceived, vocal rejection of the idea altogether. |
| 00:12 |
hmmmm |
which is what you basically said earlier |
| 00:12 |
VanessaE |
is it true? not really, but there is a kernel of truth to it. |
| 00:12 |
hmmmm |
the more i think about it the more i agree |
| 00:13 |
hmmmm |
minetest's core is way more than a game at this point |
| 00:13 |
hmmmm |
it does more stuff than a game ever would |
| 00:13 |
VanessaE |
exactly. and it's surely NOT a "test" anymore. |
| 00:13 |
hmmmm |
it's more impressive than a game too |
| 00:14 |
VanessaE |
yes |
| 00:14 |
hmmmm |
but people have lots of reservations to changing names |
| 00:14 |
hmmmm |
we'd have to have a lot of consensus |
| 00:14 |
hmmmm |
a LOT |
| 00:14 |
hmmmm |
i mean look at the shitstorm with mese, and that's just a yellow block with a word scribbled on it |
| 00:15 |
VanessaE |
well then I tell you what: |
| 00:15 |
hmmmm |
when we refer to the core, i'd like to call it |
| 00:15 |
hmmmm |
"something Content Engine" |
| 00:15 |
VanessaE |
rather than rename the game, let's rename the core. |
| 00:15 |
hmmmm |
Voxel Content Engine |
| 00:15 |
VanessaE |
naw, too generic |
| 00:15 |
emptty |
or you could put some presure to mod authors so that they start considering their work seriously and release it seriously instead of assuming that everyone will go for the git release of their repo |
| 00:15 |
hmmmm |
Minetest Voxel Content Engine |
| 00:15 |
hmmmm |
Minetest VCE |
| 00:15 |
VanessaE |
no, something that doesn't mention "minetest" at all |
| 00:15 |
VanessaE |
nevermind what the API says |
| 00:16 |
hmmmm |
i really wonder what celeron would have to say about this |
| 00:16 |
VanessaE |
ping in him -dev and find out :) |
| 00:16 |
hmmmm |
i have a policy to not ping people |
| 00:16 |
hmmmm |
unless i really need to |
| 00:16 |
arsdragonfly |
open voxel engine maybe? |
| 00:16 |
VanessaE |
emptty: making "proper" releases is pointless. |
| 00:17 |
hmmmm |
these are all possibilities |
| 00:17 |
kahrl_ |
it needs to be something that is short or can be shortened easily |
| 00:17 |
VanessaE |
arsdragonfly: maybe, but I think we need to avoid giving it a technical name, other than "engine". |
| 00:17 |
emptty |
VanessaE: yeah that's what people keep telling me, but I find it astonishing |
| 00:17 |
hmmmm |
mtvce |
| 00:17 |
kahrl_ |
nobody would want to say it otherwise |
| 00:17 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: too many syllables. |
| 00:17 |
kahrl_ |
hmmmm: too many consonants, I think |
| 00:17 |
VanessaE |
lol |
| 00:17 |
hmmmm |
lol |
| 00:17 |
VanessaE |
ninja'd! HIYAH! |
| 00:17 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 00:17 |
hmmmm |
and then instead of "minetestserver" we make that |
| 00:17 |
hmmmm |
mtvced |
| 00:18 |
VanessaE |
ok I think that idea is out. :D |
| 00:18 |
VanessaE |
-ed? |
| 00:18 |
VanessaE |
-d? |
| 00:18 |
VanessaE |
daemon? |
| 00:18 |
hmmmm |
daemon |
| 00:18 |
hmmmm |
obvs |
| 00:18 |
VanessaE |
mmmh |
| 00:18 |
khonkhortisan |
mt+mtd |
| 00:18 |
VanessaE |
doesn't work, the server doesn't run as a daemon anyway |
| 00:18 |
kahrl_ |
Voxel Daemon? |
| 00:18 |
hmmmm |
mtc mtd |
| 00:18 |
hmmmm |
lol |
| 00:18 |
hmmmm |
sounds like we'd have a mascot |
| 00:18 |
hmmmm |
beastie made up of blocks |
| 00:19 |
VanessaE |
yeah, "sam", with the minetest logo on his/her chest :) |
| 00:19 |
VanessaE |
holding a mese pickaxe instead of a trident :) |
| 00:19 |
jojoa1997 |
<emptty> or you could put some presure to mod authors so that they start considering their work seriously and release it seriously instead of assuming that everyone will go for the git release of their repo re: yes i agree. that is one of the reasons i am using dropbox for minitest. i want to have releases not a here is a single game and you get what i take. oh and if i say i want to fix one bug when |
| 00:19 |
jojoa1997 |
i could wait a week and fixe 10 while adding more content and discovering more bugs then it is tough luck to them |
| 00:20 |
hmmmm |
but yeah i'd definitely love a name change overall |
| 00:20 |
hmmmm |
i mean when i tell people about "minetest" they give me a look |
| 00:20 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997, emptty: the problem with using downloadable packages is that it makes it much more difficult for a server owner to keep their mods up-to-date. |
| 00:20 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: exactly. |
| 00:21 |
jojoa1997 |
not really |
| 00:21 |
hmmmm |
i am guessing celeron didn't have reservations about that name as we do because it doesn't have as much meaning in his native tounge |
| 00:21 |
hmmmm |
and now it's too late |
| 00:21 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: well do recall that back before 0.4.0, it was all one package - the engine + game in one downloadable unit. |
| 00:21 |
jojoa1997 |
it is all the same download |
| 00:21 |
arsdragonfly |
we should change before it's much too late |
| 00:22 |
jojoa1997 |
yes |
| 00:22 |
kahrl_ |
Vanessa is a ninja today :) |
| 00:22 |
VanessaE |
it isn't too late to rename the project, but it IS way too late to change the API. |
| 00:22 |
VanessaE |
kahrl_: a term I stole from nekogloop :) |
| 00:22 |
arsdragonfly |
You can use aliases anyway |
| 00:22 |
emptty |
well, sed could help in any API renaming |
| 00:22 |
VanessaE |
arsdragonfly: for API functions? |
| 00:22 |
hmmmm |
no emptty |
| 00:23 |
arsdragonfly |
yes |
| 00:23 |
hmmmm |
minetest is the namespace used in lua |
| 00:23 |
kahrl_ |
sapier wants to change all minetest.env: calls to minetest. calls |
| 00:23 |
hmmmm |
we can't change it |
| 00:23 |
ShadowNinja |
in builtin minetest = newname, compatability fixed :-) |
| 00:23 |
hmmmm |
all of the modders would need to change their stuff |
| 00:23 |
kahrl_ |
so why not change it to voxeld. |
| 00:23 |
hmmmm |
oh |
| 00:23 |
jojoa1997 |
POLL: We should rename Minetest to Jojoamine. 1) yes! 2)!!yes!! 3)!Y!E!S! |
| 00:23 |
hmmmm |
hah |
| 00:23 |
arsdragonfly |
4 |
| 00:23 |
hmmmm |
shadowninja, good point |
| 00:23 |
arsdragonfly |
lol |
| 00:23 |
hmmmm |
so i guess it's not too bad to change the api |
| 00:24 |
hmmmm |
i keep forgetting you can do nifty things like that in lua |
| 00:24 |
hmmmm |
so kahrl, you say voxeld? |
| 00:24 |
hmmmm |
and what do we call the client |
| 00:24 |
hmmmm |
voxelc? :/ |
| 00:24 |
VanessaE |
nae, voxel-anything is too generic, and too technuical |
| 00:24 |
VanessaE |
technical* |
| 00:24 |
emptty |
voxelworld ? |
| 00:24 |
VanessaE |
remember your average user |
| 00:24 |
arsdragonfly |
openmine? |
| 00:24 |
kahrl_ |
maybe we should hold a name contest |
| 00:24 |
VanessaE |
OpenMine Engine |
| 00:25 |
emptty |
openmine +1 |
| 00:25 |
VanessaE |
arsdragonfly is on the right track |
| 00:25 |
VanessaE |
"The OpenMine Engine" or TOME |
| 00:25 |
ShadowNinja |
Sounds good |
| 00:25 |
hmmmm |
originally when i wanted to make a minecraft clone, the name i was going to do was OpenCraft |
| 00:25 |
VanessaE |
BinGO! |
| 00:25 |
VanessaE |
bingo, too |
| 00:25 |
hmmmm |
but that's the name of a 3rd party minecraft server now |
| 00:25 |
VanessaE |
OpenCraft? well so that's out |
| 00:25 |
hmmmm |
lol :( |
| 00:25 |
hmmmm |
the early attempts at a minecraft clone |
| 00:26 |
VanessaE |
so use arsdragonfly and my idea. |
| 00:26 |
kahrl_ |
"open" or "free" is an important distinction to some |
| 00:26 |
VanessaE |
TOME: The OpenMine Engine |
| 00:26 |
hmmmm |
me and the guy i was working with, we actually believed that storing things in a sparse voxel octree would work |
| 00:26 |
VanessaE |
kahrl_: agreed |
| 00:26 |
hmmmm |
i'm glad that entire idea died fast |
| 00:26 |
hmmmm |
erm yes |
| 00:27 |
hmmmm |
when you have software prefixed with Open, that usually indicates that it conforms to some set of POSIX standards |
| 00:27 |
hmmmm |
OpenSolaris, OpenIndiana, OpenBSD, OpenBSM, etc. |
| 00:27 |
kahrl_ |
OpenOffice |
| 00:27 |
hmmmm |
OpenSSH for that matter |
| 00:27 |
emptty |
bigger project changed their name successfully, like openoffice -> libreoffice |
| 00:27 |
hmmmm |
erm |
| 00:27 |
VanessaE |
kahrl_: bad example :) |
| 00:27 |
hmmmm |
that was a fork |
| 00:27 |
hmmmm |
there's still openoffice |
| 00:28 |
hmmmm |
i don't think we need to go as corny as "libre" |
| 00:28 |
hmmmm |
i'd rather free |
| 00:28 |
hmmmm |
FreeCraft? |
| 00:28 |
VanessaE |
definitely not. |
| 00:28 |
VanessaE |
naw |
| 00:28 |
VanessaE |
too obvious |
| 00:28 |
kahrl_ |
FreeCell. Oh wait |
| 00:28 |
hmmmm |
which is the name of a clone of warcraft 2 |
| 00:28 |
hmmmm |
hah |
| 00:29 |
hmmmm |
i wonder how fast i could make a decent starcraft clone |
| 00:29 |
hmmmm |
knowing all i do about that damn game |
| 00:29 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: I have a friend back in Missouri who would love that :) |
| 00:29 |
hmmmm |
and i don't even *do* games... |
| 00:30 |
hmmmm |
yet i got sucked into the world of game development |
| 00:30 |
emptty |
hmmmm: I didn't knew that openoffice still tried to survive, that's interesting |
| 00:31 |
VanessaE |
emptty: yeah, at the hands of a corporation that can't get their heads out of their asses regarding trademarks. |
| 00:32 |
hmmmm |
wow |
| 00:32 |
VanessaE |
? |
| 00:32 |
hmmmm |
if this were 10 years ago and i did create a completely compatible free starcraft clone, i wonder what the public reaction would be |
| 00:33 |
jojoa1997 |
Well just make a good name ok |
| 00:34 |
hmmmm |
nowadays i can't do the same because i just don't have the same knowledge of their newer products |
| 00:34 |
hmmmm |
and they're much more complex |
| 00:34 |
VanessaE |
<Abe> How about MineCluserfuck? <Me> Now, now, it isn't a clusterfuck yet, we're trying to prevent it from becoming one. |
| 00:34 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 00:34 |
VanessaE |
(he was of course kidding) |
| 00:34 |
hmmmm |
lol |
| 00:34 |
arsdragonfly |
It's said that the name of Electronic Arts came after a day-long brainstorm |
| 00:35 |
hmmmm |
EA is a good name but such a crap company |
| 00:35 |
hmmmm |
basically all of their growth is artificial, through buying other companies |
| 00:36 |
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| 00:36 |
kahrl_ |
maybe pick a name from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creator_deity ? |
| 00:37 |
kahrl_ |
since the engine creates worlds... |
| 00:37 |
hmmmm |
as VanessaE calls it, G*d |
| 00:37 |
VanessaE |
Naw |
| 00:37 |
VanessaE |
that might be seen as blasphemous by some. |
| 00:37 |
kahrl_ |
ok, true |
| 00:37 |
hmmmm |
we should call it Mohammed |
| 00:38 |
Menche |
and running it from the commandline with an asterisk in it |
| 00:38 |
VanessaE |
judging by the forum thread "Do you believe in God", there are a lot of religious folks in the community |
| 00:38 |
Menche |
sandbox game that uses voxels = VoxBox? |
| 00:38 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: oh sure, and piss off 1/5 of the planet? :) |
| 00:38 |
hmmmm |
well |
| 00:38 |
kahrl_ |
I should read Offtopic sometimes |
| 00:38 |
hmmmm |
i guess you're right |
| 00:39 |
hmmmm |
we'd probably all get assassinated |
| 00:39 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 00:39 |
VanessaE |
Jihadtest :) |
| 00:39 |
hmmmm |
declare fatwa against minetest devs! |
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| 00:39 |
VanessaE |
hey grog. |
| 00:39 |
thefamilygrog66 |
hey V |
| 00:40 |
thefamilygrog66 |
hey, I wanted to ask you what "lighting bug" the 3d forniture wall torch had |
| 00:40 |
emptty |
Menche: I like the idea, but the resulting name is hard to pronounce, I think |
| 00:40 |
VanessaE |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=87451#p87451 |
| 00:40 |
VanessaE |
HAH! |
| 00:40 |
VanessaE |
guess he couldn't leave :) |
| 00:41 |
hmmmm |
hrmm |
| 00:41 |
hmmmm |
vanessae, you should probably make a poll thread on this topic |
| 00:41 |
thefamilygrog66 |
since I based my lava lamps on it... |
| 00:41 |
VanessaE |
thefamilygrog66: When you punch the lamp, it would go: Off, medium, bright, low, dim, off |
| 00:42 |
VanessaE |
instead of off, dim, low, medium, bright, ogg |
| 00:42 |
VanessaE |
off* |
| 00:42 |
thefamilygrog66 |
oh, the table lamps - gotcha |
| 00:42 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I noticed that as well |
| 00:42 |
hmmmm |
so far, serious ideas for names are: FreeVoxel, voxelc/voxeld, VoxBox, MT Voxel Content Engine, some others that i missed |
| 00:42 |
thefamilygrog66 |
not the wall torch tho |
| 00:42 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: ok, gimme a few mins |
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| 00:42 |
hmmmm |
definitely not "VoxelWorld" - that's insanely generic sounding and probably in use already |
| 00:42 |
arsdragonfly |
openmine? |
| 00:42 |
hmmmm |
oh yes |
| 00:42 |
kahrl_ |
hmmmm: those all have voxel in them, which Vanessa said is too technical |
| 00:43 |
hmmmm |
FreeMine, OpenMine |
| 00:43 |
Menche |
how is voxel too technical? |
| 00:43 |
VanessaE |
I'll plug in all of these names |
| 00:43 |
hmmmm |
kahrl, we'll let the people decide |
| 00:43 |
hmmmm |
! |
| 00:43 |
hmmmm |
i don't think it is. |
| 00:45 |
emptty |
VanessaE: I'd love to ear your arguments against releasing games on top of that engine |
| 00:45 |
hmmmm |
but of course, minetest will remain the name of the main game |
| 00:45 |
kahrl_ |
if there are many religious people in the userbase voxeld (with the daemon as logo) might not be a good idea |
| 00:45 |
thefamilygrog66 |
what are you guys discussing? |
| 00:45 |
hmmmm |
hah |
| 00:45 |
kahrl_ |
there are quite a few christians who refuse to install FreeBSD based on the logo |
| 00:45 |
hmmmm |
i remember that |
| 00:45 |
Menche |
it doesn't even run as a daemon |
| 00:45 |
hmmmm |
also it didn't look appealing for businesses |
| 00:45 |
kahrl_ |
Menche: also true |
| 00:46 |
hmmmm |
they recently changed the logo for freebsd to a spherical translucent thing with cones |
| 00:46 |
Menche |
besides, that's probably way too generic |
| 00:46 |
thefamilygrog66 |
the same folks who won't buy proctor and gamble products? |
| 00:46 |
hmmmm |
lol^ |
| 00:47 |
VanessaE |
ok, I've got FreeVoxel, voxelc/voxeld, VoxBox, MT Voxel Content Engine, The FreeMine Engine, The OpenMine Engine |
| 00:47 |
VanessaE |
any others? |
| 00:47 |
thefamilygrog66 |
the devil's shampoo! |
| 00:47 |
emptty |
well, the freebsd logo didn't change on their web page (yet) |
| 00:47 |
hmmmm |
what about FreeMine and OpenMine without the "the" and "engine"? |
| 00:47 |
VanessaE |
sure |
| 00:48 |
VanessaE |
as options in addition to with "the/engine" |
| 00:48 |
VanessaE |
? |
| 00:48 |
hmmmm |
yeah |
| 00:48 |
VanessaE |
ok, got those |
| 00:48 |
hmmmm |
VoxBox sounds good but i don't think that one will work out in the end |
| 00:48 |
Menche |
open a forum thread asking for ideas? and that way people couldn't complain about it being done in secret |
| 00:48 |
hmmmm |
people might confuse it for some sort of voice-processing software |
| 00:48 |
VanessaE |
how about NodeBuilder? |
| 00:48 |
hmmmm |
i mean, "vox" |
| 00:48 |
hmmmm |
NodeBuilder? yuuuck! |
| 00:49 |
VanessaE |
lol |
| 00:49 |
hmmmm |
throw it in anyway |
| 00:49 |
arsdragonfly |
FreeNode! |
| 00:49 |
arsdragonfly |
lol |
| 00:49 |
emptty |
:) |
| 00:49 |
VanessaE |
arsdragonfly: haha |
| 00:49 |
thefamilygrog66 |
did someone design a nodebox designer?! |
| 00:49 |
VanessaE |
thefamilygrog66: yes |
| 00:49 |
VanessaE |
rubenwardy did |
| 00:49 |
VanessaE |
I think |
| 00:49 |
hmmmm |
aa |
| 00:49 |
thefamilygrog66 |
with textures as well? |
| 00:49 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: 30 days for the run time of the poll |
| 00:49 |
VanessaE |
? |
| 00:49 |
hmmmm |
sounds good |
| 00:50 |
hmmmm |
anyway, a name change is also a good opportunity to change the versioning scheme if we'd like |
| 00:50 |
thefamilygrog66 |
NodeBoxer |
| 00:50 |
VanessaE |
shit |
| 00:50 |
hmmmm |
for example, when SunOS went to Solaris |
| 00:50 |
hmmmm |
they started using the minor version number as the major |
| 00:50 |
VanessaE |
I have to drop two options from the list - there's a limit of 7 options. |
| 00:50 |
hmmmm |
:/ |
| 00:51 |
hmmmm |
what an arbitrary number |
| 00:51 |
Menche |
find another poll website? |
| 00:51 |
thefamilygrog66 |
can it import 3D models from Blender, etc.? |
| 00:51 |
hmmmm |
well i think the one-vote-only idea is pretty crappy anyway |
| 00:51 |
kahrl_ |
I don't think 'node' should be in the name |
| 00:51 |
VanessaE |
I'll put it on strawpoll.me |
| 00:51 |
hmmmm |
we should have people rate from a number of 1 to 9 which name they'd like the best |
| 00:51 |
hmmmm |
and then we add all the values up |
| 00:51 |
kahrl_ |
the term is only relevant to modders |
| 00:52 |
thefamilygrog66 |
who else will be using it, kahrl_? |
| 00:52 |
hmmmm |
that's a kind of voting system somewhere in europe but i don't recall which country does that |
| 00:52 |
kahrl_ |
thefamilygrog66: anyone who wants to play the game |
| 00:52 |
hmmmm |
hmm |
| 00:52 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I'm confused. |
| 00:52 |
hmmmm |
for some reason i don't feel like celeron would get too upset over this name change |
| 00:53 |
Menche |
or do a poll the way the archlinux forums do it |
| 00:53 |
VanessaE |
http://strawpoll.me/32805 |
| 00:53 |
VanessaE |
how's that look> |
| 00:53 |
thexyz |
wait, are you seriously going to rename minetest? |
| 00:53 |
VanessaE |
? |
| 00:53 |
hmmmm |
yes |
| 00:54 |
Menche |
people copy the list and increment numbers before each item, or add a new item |
| 00:54 |
arsdragonfly |
VanessaE :cant' log on to the website |
| 00:54 |
hmmmm |
people conflate the core with the game way too much |
| 00:54 |
arsdragonfly |
:( |
| 00:54 |
kahrl_ |
is there a version of the ambience mod that works outside the game? |
| 00:54 |
VanessaE |
I'll put the bulk of the descriptive text into the forum post that will link to it. |
| 00:54 |
kahrl_ |
I like the night noises, so soothing |
| 00:54 |
VanessaE |
arsdragonfly: you shouldn't need to log in. |
| 00:54 |
thexyz |
so the core will has new name while the game will remain "Minetest", right? |
| 00:54 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: yeash |
| 00:54 |
VanessaE |
yeah |
| 00:54 |
VanessaE |
damn, my typing sucks |
| 00:54 |
arsdragonfly |
VanessaE : well I can't open the web page |
| 00:55 |
VanessaE |
arsdragonfly: golden shield is blocking you then |
| 00:55 |
VanessaE |
The Great Firewall of China. |
| 00:55 |
VanessaE |
meh |
| 00:55 |
arsdragonfly |
yes |
| 00:55 |
hmmmm |
VanessaE, actually could you add "OpenMiner" and change MT Voxel Content Engine to MT Voxel Engine or "mtve" for short? |
| 00:55 |
arsdragonfly |
wow |
| 00:55 |
arsdragonfly |
how do u know that :) |
| 00:55 |
VanessaE |
sure, hold |
| 00:55 |
thexyz |
VanessaE: how about adding an option to leave the old name? |
| 00:55 |
hmmmm |
oh wow |
| 00:55 |
VanessaE |
arsdragonfly: most of the western world knows about it |
| 00:55 |
hmmmm |
arsdragonfly is chatting from the PRC?! |
| 00:55 |
arsdragonfly |
yes |
| 00:56 |
arsdragonfly |
surprising huh? |
| 00:56 |
kahrl_ |
now that the engine does bone animations, how about... FreeBoner |
| 00:56 |
hmmmm |
lol^ |
| 00:56 |
kahrl_ |
I'm sorry I will shut up now |
| 00:56 |
thefamilygrog66 |
errr |
| 00:56 |
* jojoa1997 |
scrolling back |
| 00:57 |
VanessaE |
I feel the need to add a joke option also, e.g. some CowboyNeal-esque answer but pointed at c55 :) |
| 00:57 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: I'll add that, also made hmmmm's changes. it'll be a new URL though. |
| 00:58 |
jojoa1997 |
so what has been decided? |
| 00:58 |
* Menche |
predicts that 46 polls will be made as people want new additions/changes to the list |
| 00:58 |
kahrl_ |
jojoa1997: to make a forum thread |
| 00:59 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: http://strawpoll.me/32807 |
| 00:59 |
hmmmm |
hmm |
| 00:59 |
hmmmm |
i'm not even sure which to vote for |
| 00:59 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997: no decision has been reached, we're composing a poll. |
| 00:59 |
Menche |
on the archlinux forums, a poll is done by each voter copying the list of options and upping the number in front of their choice, or adding a new item |
| 01:00 |
Menche |
that way, people can add new options they want |
| 01:00 |
emptty |
what about running a poll to decide how we run the poll? |
| 01:00 |
VanessaE |
Shall I post this, or do we want to make more revisions? |
| 01:00 |
Menche |
lol |
| 01:01 |
emptty |
srly, I think that Menche proposal is good, as everybody will want to add items to the list |
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kahrl_ |
you need to say that whatever the poll outcome is, it won't be binding |
| 01:01 |
kahrl_ |
celeron can veto it, in any case |
| 01:01 |
VanessaE |
emptty, Menche: well others can always write-in other options via the forum. |
| 01:01 |
Menche |
the problem is, mods would have to watch the list to make sure people don't add 5 votes, vote twice, edit other votes |
| 01:01 |
thexyz |
kahrl_: i'm pretty sure he will |
| 01:02 |
VanessaE |
Menche: IP matching is turned on, should help keep the ballot stuffers at bay. |
| 01:02 |
Menche |
so, we have been sitting here for a while quibbling over changing the name, i've been wondering; who is *really* in charge of this? |
| 01:03 |
hmmmm |
everyone and noone |
| 01:03 |
Menche |
the problem with a "community driven" project: who makes the final decisions |
| 01:04 |
hmmmm |
celeron wants to be "just the guy who maintains the website and updates some repositories" |
| 01:04 |
Menche |
let's have a shouting match! |
| 01:04 |
Menche |
WHOEVER USES THE MOST CAPS WINS |
| 01:04 |
hmmmm |
but he's the only person we really allow to make new developers, it's sort of a self-understood rule |
| 01:05 |
hmmmm |
i don't know. he'd probably deny wanting to be that person if he were asked |
| 01:05 |
kahrl_ |
problem with VoxBox: http://www.voxbox.net/ is taken |
| 01:05 |
Menche |
ah |
| 01:05 |
Menche |
besides, it could be shortened to vbox and confused with virtualization software |
| 01:06 |
kahrl_ |
mtve.net also taken |
| 01:06 |
Menche |
being confused with virtualization software would be a problem until someone implements the x86 instruction set in mesecons |
| 01:06 |
emptty |
good luck with that! |
| 01:06 |
kahrl_ |
lol |
| 01:07 |
kahrl_ |
fucking domain parkes |
| 01:07 |
kahrl_ |
parkers* |
| 01:07 |
hmmmm |
kahrl, which one are you thinking? |
| 01:07 |
kahrl_ |
most of them |
| 01:07 |
hmmmm |
FreeMine really sounds the best |
| 01:07 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm, others: http://pastebin.com/LL7PpZ3u |
| 01:07 |
emptty |
ok, I should sleep since a few hours already. Thanks to all for being such an interesting community, and see you then |
| 01:08 |
jojoa1997 |
back |
| 01:08 |
kahrl_ |
openmine.net is also parked |
| 01:08 |
hmmmm |
sounds good |
| 01:08 |
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| 01:08 |
hmmmm |
well hold on a minute, why do we have to be a .net? we're an organization |
| 01:09 |
Menche |
minetest.org is already taken? |
| 01:09 |
kahrl_ |
freemine.net is registered but doesn't respond |
| 01:09 |
hmmmm |
it apparently is |
| 01:09 |
kahrl_ |
hmmmm: I was trying .net because minetest.net |
| 01:10 |
thexyz |
Menche: yes, OldCoder owns it |
| 01:10 |
hmmmm |
i'd say either .net or .org works |
| 01:10 |
ShadowNinja |
openmine.org is used my MineCraft fans |
| 01:10 |
VanessaE |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=87462 |
| 01:10 |
thefamilygrog66 |
speaking of .net, why is there also a minetest.com site? |
| 01:10 |
ShadowNinja |
freemine.org is blank |
| 01:11 |
jojoa1997 |
um |
| 01:11 |
VanessaE |
thefamilygrog66: minetest.com is run by someone else, and is basically dead. |
| 01:11 |
Menche |
saxony |
| 01:11 |
jojoa1997 |
why do we have to change the website name? |
| 01:11 |
kahrl_ |
ShadowNinja: nope, it's registered but doesn't respond |
| 01:11 |
jojoa1997 |
it is like we are making a new game |
| 01:11 |
jojoa1997 |
imagine someone updateing and seeing oh well we are not here anymore |
| 01:11 |
kahrl_ |
is parked* |
| 01:11 |
jojoa1997 |
i say keep all the websites |
| 01:12 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997: so minetest.net could just redirect to the new domain, if we did such a thing |
| 01:12 |
VanessaE |
quite trivial to do. |
| 01:12 |
Menche |
minetest -> minedone |
| 01:12 |
jojoa1997 |
yeahj but i like all my bookmarks |
| 01:12 |
kahrl_ |
I would say keep minetest.net the main site |
| 01:12 |
kahrl_ |
redirect from whatever.org/net to a subpage of minetest.net for the engine |
| 01:14 |
jojoa1997 |
karhl_ +∞ |
| 01:14 |
hmmmm |
you can't add infinity |
| 01:14 |
jojoa1997 |
oh yeah |
| 01:14 |
kahrl_ |
you can |
| 01:14 |
jojoa1997 |
local x=1 |
| 01:14 |
jojoa1997 |
function |
| 01:14 |
kahrl_ |
at least we did in analysis 3 class |
| 01:14 |
* Menche |
hates it when people respond with just +/-[number] |
| 01:15 |
jojoa1997 |
x=x^2 |
| 01:15 |
kahrl_ |
subtract infinity from infinity, however |
| 01:15 |
jojoa1997 |
function |
| 01:15 |
jojoa1997 |
end |
| 01:15 |
OldCoder |
Hi |
| 01:15 |
jojoa1997 |
boom infinity |
| 01:15 |
jojoa1997 |
Menche |
| 01:15 |
jojoa1997 |
Menche |
| 01:15 |
jojoa1997 |
+ |
| 01:15 |
hmmmm |
the only circumstance in which arithmetic with infinity is defined is 1/inf, and that's only when you're talking about the extended complex plane |
| 01:15 |
jojoa1997 |
- |
| 01:15 |
jojoa1997 |
1 |
| 01:15 |
kahrl_ |
hmmmm: I'm talking about measures |
| 01:16 |
VanessaE |
hm, the pie graph strawpoll.me creates from the results needs work |
| 01:16 |
hmmmm |
just like a more general measure theory class? |
| 01:16 |
kahrl_ |
yeah |
| 01:16 |
hmmmm |
why would you be doing arithmetic with infinity there |
| 01:16 |
Menche |
so we've gone from discussing a name change, to polling systems, to the concept of infinity |
| 01:17 |
hmmmm |
not the concept of infinity, technical details about the usage of infinity in arithmetic |
| 01:17 |
kahrl_ |
hmmmm: defining the addtivity of measures without having to make restrictions |
| 01:17 |
VanessaE |
Menche: all in a day's chat, like usual :_) |
| 01:17 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 01:17 |
hmmmm |
well it's all good as long as you've defined it |
| 01:17 |
Menche |
#minetest: where we discuss life, the universe, everything, and the kitchen sink |
| 01:17 |
hmmmm |
i'm not sure if that's universally accepted as the notation though |
| 01:17 |
hmmmm |
but then again, i am not an analyst |
| 01:18 |
hmmmm |
the furthest i've gone is one semester of real analysis and a semester of complex analysis |
| 01:18 |
kahrl_ |
we also defined 0*∞ = 0 |
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| 01:18 |
Dogzilla131 |
Hi |
| 01:19 |
Menche |
hi |
| 01:19 |
arsdragonfly |
well there's something interesting here |
| 01:19 |
arsdragonfly |
guess what are these websites about? |
| 01:19 |
arsdragonfly |
mcbbs.net and mcbbs.org |
| 01:19 |
hmmmm |
minecraft builiten board system? |
| 01:20 |
Menche |
that was my guess |
| 01:20 |
hmmmm |
ah |
| 01:20 |
hmmmm |
looks like a chinese minecraft forum |
| 01:20 |
arsdragonfly |
the 1st one is a minecraft forum and the 2nd is a website where ppl share their affairs :) |
| 01:20 |
hmmmm |
and same with mtbbs.net as well |
| 01:20 |
arsdragonfly |
mcbbs.net and mtbbs.net are both chinese :) |
| 01:20 |
hmmmm |
woah |
| 01:20 |
hmmmm |
mcbbs.org crashed firefox |
| 01:20 |
hmmmm |
uh oh |
| 01:21 |
hmmmm |
weird.... probably a known issue anyway |
| 01:22 |
hmmmm |
i am using firefox 16.0.1 and i refuse to update anymore |
| 01:22 |
hmmmm |
it's gone to crap |
| 01:22 |
jojoa1997 |
http://strawpoll.me/32815 |
| 01:22 |
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| 01:22 |
Menche |
with firefox's version numbers, 16 is pretty much the same as 20 anyway |
| 01:23 |
VanessaE |
damn it, I hate this social media crap - whatever happened to the concept of sending a plain old email? |
| 01:23 |
hmmmm |
in 20, they screwed up the configuration UI |
| 01:23 |
hmmmm |
and they added some facebook buttons |
| 01:23 |
hmmmm |
horrible |
| 01:23 |
jojoa1997 |
vote now |
| 01:24 |
* Menche |
proposes "i agree" and "i disagree" to replace "+#" and "-#" |
| 01:24 |
* arsdragonfly |
has to use VPN to vote |
| 01:24 |
arsdragonfly |
or to visit youtube |
| 01:25 |
ShadowNinja |
s/i (aggree)|(disagree)/I \1\. |
| 01:25 |
hmmmm |
is talking about circumvention like that not against your laws? |
| 01:27 |
arsdragonfly |
chmod 664 the-laws-in-china |
| 01:27 |
arsdragonfly |
lol |
| 01:28 |
hmmmm |
it's the same in most countries |
| 01:28 |
hmmmm |
the US isn't this shining beacon of freedom, you can't change anything and that pisses me off |
| 01:29 |
hmmmm |
i like freedom, so i guess that's why one of the first things i did was make the mapgen configurable |
| 01:29 |
hmmmm |
options are always great |
| 01:30 |
thefamilygrog66 |
encryption is freedom. or something. |
| 01:30 |
hmmmm |
freedom of what though.. freedom to observe and discuss, but never to change |
| 01:31 |
jojoa1997 |
bx.freedom.org |
| 01:31 |
hmmmm |
not found |
| 01:31 |
thefamilygrog66 |
proprietary software is murder. |
| 01:31 |
jojoa1997 |
oops wrong link |
| 01:31 |
hmmmm |
haha |
| 01:31 |
jojoa1997 |
www.troll.com |
| 01:31 |
hmmmm |
i don't think that guy was trolling |
| 01:32 |
thefamilygrog66 |
sorry, I'm just being an ass. |
| 01:32 |
hmmmm |
i've met people like that guy before |
| 01:32 |
Menche |
uh, troll.com redirects to scholastic books? |
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jojoa1997 |
trolololololoololoolololololololololololllolololololololololololololololololoolololololololooloololololollollolllololololoololooloolololollolololol |
| 01:33 |
thefamilygrog66 |
my daughter is playing minecraft, oh well. |
| 01:33 |
* jojoa1997 |
sorry i had to |
| 01:33 |
Menche |
heretic. |
| 01:33 |
thefamilygrog66 |
haha |
| 01:33 |
jojoa1997 |
? |
| 01:33 |
NakedFury |
traitor. bring her over to the free side |
| 01:34 |
jojoa1997 |
what happened while i left for 10 seconds |
| 01:34 |
NakedFury |
everything |
| 01:34 |
Menche |
lol. i play minecraft sometimes |
| 01:34 |
jojoa1997 |
So there is the cookie side and the free side |
| 01:34 |
jojoa1997 |
I play minecraft alot |
| 01:34 |
thefamilygrog66 |
she prefers it |
| 01:34 |
* jojoa1997 |
= tnt and adventure maps dude |
| 01:34 |
jojoa1997 |
so do i but i prefer both |
| 01:34 |
NakedFury |
I have been playing some minecraft too. specificaly MineZ |
| 01:35 |
jojoa1997 |
minecraft has great survival but minetest has great abilities |
| 01:35 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I like tweaking things, and minetest allows me to do that more easily |
| 01:37 |
thefamilygrog66 |
it also doesn't crash my laptop as frequently |
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jojoa1997 |
:/ |
| 01:42 |
* jojoa1997 |
wasnt pinged |
| 01:42 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997: ping. |
| 01:43 |
jojoa1997 |
VanessaE: polo. |
| 01:43 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 01:44 |
jojoa1997 |
VanessaE: marco. |
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| 01:45 |
Kacey |
http://www.downloadmoreram.com/ |
| 01:45 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 01:47 |
Kacey |
seems legit... seriously |
| 01:47 |
ShadowNinja |
Looks legit ;-) |
| 01:49 |
kahrl_ |
The sad thing is that I could actually picture Apple selling more RAM in their app store |
| 01:49 |
bcnjr5 |
lol |
| 01:49 |
Menche |
could definitely see them blocking part of the RAM and requiring payments to access it |
| 01:50 |
bcnjr5 |
more lols |
| 01:50 |
Menche |
apparently you have to pay extra to share a data connection over wifi? or at least need the plan to "support" it? |
| 01:50 |
thefamilygrog66 |
nice |
| 01:50 |
khonkhortisan |
I clicked download, rightclicked to view source, and as I rightclick, I get a javascript alert that says the download is complete, which has paused the bar. |
| 01:51 |
khonkhortisan |
Clicking the download bar brings the popup back, reloading restarts the download |
| 01:51 |
khonkhortisan |
They really shouldn't've used onclick |
| 01:51 |
* Menche |
downloads 4g of RAM 500 times |
| 01:51 |
* Menche |
's harddisk is full of RAM |
| 01:51 |
Menche |
lol |
| 01:51 |
thefamilygrog66 |
http://lifehacker.com/mac-vs-windows-your-best-arguments-486125257?rev=1367364583 |
| 01:51 |
khonkhortisan |
I need to download 16 and upload 2 |
| 01:52 |
khonkhortisan |
Mac is bad because I can't run it in a vm |
| 01:52 |
Menche |
apple makes me run windows |
| 01:52 |
khonkhortisan |
I need to enable VT-x/AMD-V in my BIOS |
| 01:53 |
Menche |
the only reason i have windows anymore is for itunes |
| 01:53 |
jojoa1997 |
!up redcrab.suret.net |
| 01:53 |
MinetestBot |
redcrab.suret.net:30000 is up (0.313ms) |
| 01:53 |
jojoa1997 |
!up redcrab.suret.net:30401 |
| 01:53 |
MinetestBot |
jojoa1997: Note: Syntax changed please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337' |
| 01:53 |
jojoa1997 |
!up redcrab.suret.net 30401 |
| 01:53 |
MinetestBot |
redcrab.suret.net:30401 is up (0.197ms) |
| 01:54 |
VanessaE |
sfan5|OFF: can you please make that bot stop warning of the "bad" syntax? |
| 01:55 |
jojoa1997 |
maybe allow the bot to take server:port |
| 01:57 |
Menche |
how does the forum decide which topics have new posts? it tried to tell me that there was a new post in a topic where the last post was mine. |
| 01:58 |
Exio |
i play MC a lot - as "play" with MT code :P |
| 02:00 |
VanessaE |
Menche: maybe editing a post marks it as "new"? |
| 02:01 |
jojoa1997 |
oh cool |
| 02:01 |
* jojoa1997 |
makes dye in minitest |
| 02:02 |
* jojoa1997 |
is tired |
| 02:02 |
jojoa1997 |
good night all |
| 02:02 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997: did you update your copies of unified dyes and homedecor btw? |
| 02:02 |
jojoa1997 |
yes!!! |
| 02:02 |
VanessaE |
they've been fixed to work with default dyes/flowers now. |
| 02:02 |
VanessaE |
ok, good. |
| 02:02 |
jojoa1997 |
night all |
| 02:02 |
VanessaE |
night |
| 02:02 |
VanessaE |
lazy ass ;) |
| 02:02 |
jojoa1997 |
WTF!!! |
| 02:03 |
jojoa1997 |
I AM NO **** *** |
| 02:03 |
VanessaE |
kidding :D |
| 02:03 |
jojoa1997 |
* ** ** **** *** |
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jojoa1997 |
cye ;-) |
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jojoa1997 |
*cya |
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ShadowNinja |
ShadowBot: reload Minetest |
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ShadowNinja: The operation succeeded. |
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ShadowNinja |
!up 67.241.154.164:30000 |
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ShadowNinja: Note: Syntax changed please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337' |
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VanessaE |
heh |
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ShadowNinja |
Right, I have to prefix ShadowBot |
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ShadowBot: reload Minetest |
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ShadowNinja: The operation succeeded. |
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ShadowNinja |
There, but you can't use it because MinetestBot is around :-( |
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bcnjr5 |
oh great... |
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VanessaE |
what? |
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bcnjr5 |
LandMine just pmed me. |
| 02:52 |
VanessaE |
(holy crap, homedecor has 128 unique nodes now? Damn.) |
| 02:52 |
VanessaE |
ignore him |
| 02:52 |
ShadowNinja |
/ignore |
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bcnjr5 |
I did. |
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ShadowNinja |
Well if he comes here ShadowBot will be ready, hopefully a ban on the first message. |
| 02:53 |
VanessaE |
ignore him again anyway :) |
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bcnjr5 |
I know. |
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arsdragonfly |
VanessaE : www.stormboard.com |
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arsdragonfly |
check it out |
| 03:59 |
VanessaE |
what do I need this for? |
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arsdragonfly |
we need an interactive brainstorm since everyone might has his/her own idea |
| 04:00 |
VanessaE |
oh. |
| 04:00 |
VanessaE |
eh, IRC and forums are good enough :) |
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arsdragonfly |
a poll is not enough |
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khonkhortisan |
All the websites that require email verification should just all talk to each other so I can just verify my email once |
| 04:01 |
[0gb_us] |
khonkhortisan: THat's called OpenID. |
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khonkhortisan |
Can I deduplicate my openids? |
| 04:02 |
VanessaE |
[0gb_us]: I pushed more updates to homedecor and unified dyes early this morn right after you left. YOu may want to look into the, |
| 04:02 |
VanessaE |
them* |
| 04:02 |
VanessaE |
khonkhortisan: only if you run ZFS ;) |
| 04:02 |
[0gb_us] |
Duplicate? I don't think so. |
| 04:02 |
khonkhortisan |
if I log in with google, then with flickr it might think I'm someone else |
| 04:02 |
khonkhortisan |
no, merge |
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[0gb_us] |
Oh, merge. No, I don't think so. |
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[0gb_us] |
Okay, I'll look at home decor tomorrow. |
| 04:04 |
VanessaE |
ok |
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* [0gb_us] |
is tired, but waiting for advice on #xfce |
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* [0gb_us] |
may fall asleep soon though |
| 04:07 |
VanessaE |
what advice? |
| 04:08 |
[0gb_us] |
I don't know what to install. Xubuntu or Linux Mine XFCE edition. |
| 04:08 |
[0gb_us] |
*Mint |
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VanessaE |
are you running base ubuntu" |
| 04:08 |
VanessaE |
? |
| 04:08 |
VanessaE |
oh wait |
| 04:08 |
VanessaE |
I see what you meant |
| 04:08 |
VanessaE |
eh, both will be roughly the same I guess |
| 04:08 |
VanessaE |
I run Xubuntu (13.04) |
| 04:09 |
VanessaE |
mint probably just has a different revision of xfce or different graphics and such, but under the hood it's going to be about the same for either one. |
| 04:10 |
[0gb_us] |
THat's why it's so hard to choose. THey are so similar. THere doesn't seem to be a good reason to choose one over the other. |
| 04:11 |
[0gb_us] |
If no one has a convincing argument, I'll likely use Xubuntu (12.04) as it's already installed from yesterday. |
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VanessaE |
stick to 12.04 for now |
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[0gb_us] |
I installed it before I knew there was and XFCE edition of Mint. |
| 04:12 |
VanessaE |
wait till 14.04 is out before you start considering changing |
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VanessaE |
(13.04 didn't get as much polish as it needed) |
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khonkhortisan |
I can't really use youtube because I attempted to change my email, and gmail accounts are google accounts are youtube accounts. |
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[0gb_us] |
I prefer LTS anyway. |
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[0gb_us] |
I might put Mine XFCE on the other computer, and leave Xubuntu on this one. But using two different systems might be kind of silly. |
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[0gb_us] |
They have different repositories, but that's about it. |
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khonkhortisan |
stormboard reminds me of prezi |
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* [0gb_us] |
sleeps |
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sfan5: I changed the format of searching for my bot, for example ,,(server --ping ">0.200" --ping "<0.500" --players !0) |
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ShadowNinja: Public Minetestserver | minetestserver.us.to | Clients: 1/6 | Version: 0.4.6 | ping: 0.250 |
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ShadowNinja |
It allows multiple searches, even on the same value |
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VanessaE |
FROM table SELECT ALL DROP... or some other shit :) |
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(I can never remember the right form of that silly old meme) |
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sfan5 |
DROP TABLE *; usally does it |
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celeron55 |
all the names in the poll suck |
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celeron55 |
they're so unimaginative it's ridiculous |
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VanessaE |
got something better? let's hear it. Otherwise hush. |
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VanessaE |
:) |
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VanessaE |
webdesigner97: how goes the streets mod rewrite/upgrade? |
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celeron55 |
why not some short related word, tweaked a bit? like vixel or myne or something like that |
| 08:00 |
VanessaE |
dunno. Maybe no one thought such names would be interesting? |
| 08:00 |
celeron55 |
it's hard to make easily remembered names from actual common words; it's not like anyone making a comapny or anything would use then ame "voxel" or "mine" in a name |
| 08:01 |
celeron55 |
the name* |
| 08:01 |
celeron55 |
the word* |
| 08:01 |
VanessaE |
besides, this discussion was more a matter not of being imaginative, or of being interesting, but of being different enough to distance the engine from the game content and avoid confusion. |
| 08:01 |
VanessaE |
(while also avoiding minecraft-related references if it could have been helped) |
| 08:02 |
celeron55 |
but this gives us an opportunity to actually be original instead of being seen as some purely technical folks who can't make up good names (well, maybe you are, but i am not) |
| 08:02 |
kaeza |
FreeNode? |
| 08:02 |
kaeza |
:D |
| 08:02 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: too late, someone beat you to that one |
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arsdragonfly |
+1 for freenode |
| 08:02 |
VanessaE |
john_minetest: http://strawpoll.me/32807 |
| 08:03 |
VanessaE |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5800 |
| 08:03 |
VanessaE |
there's the forum thread for it. |
| 08:03 |
celeron55 |
seriously, none of those names are interesting at all; all of them are way more repugnant than minetest |
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VanessaE |
at least none of them imply the engine is still a "test" :) |
| 08:07 |
VanessaE |
for a while I guess, yeah |
| 08:07 |
celeron55 |
that was the name of the main game for a very short time |
| 08:07 |
VanessaE |
bbl, time for bed. |
| 08:07 |
celeron55 |
of course we could name the engine that; it's better than any of the names in the poll for sure |
| 08:08 |
arsdragonfly |
start a brainstorm |
| 08:08 |
celeron55 |
i'm actually surprised how bad these people are at naming things |
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arsdragonfly |
www.stormboard.com |
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rotor112 |
!up minetest.org 30015 |
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MinetestBot |
minetest.org:30015 seems to be down |
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rotor112 |
!up minetest.org 30016 |
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MinetestBot |
minetest.org:30016 is up (0.409ms) |
| 08:10 |
celeron55 |
(but i mean, mese is pretty much the only original (named) game content in minetest, so basing a name on that is almost fool-proof) |
| 08:10 |
celeron55 |
(the only problem with that is that it's a bit nontrivial to pronounce in some languages) |
| 08:13 |
celeron55 |
i base my project names on pretty much anything; minetest is probably the least imaginative one ever :P |
| 08:13 |
celeron55 |
too bad it got popular |
| 08:15 |
jin_xi |
hmm, i think there is a real need for a drama section in the forum... |
| 08:17 |
celeron55 |
the forum is minetest's drama section |
| 08:18 |
jin_xi |
quite |
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rotor112 |
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rotor112 |
why doesn't it show my name? |
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kaeza-phone |
yay works |
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kaeza |
!b64d ®‹h¯]v |
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kaeza |
derp |
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rotor112 |
where's OldCoder? |
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jin_xi |
hey stop it |
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Stcrafts |
hello |
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arsdragonfly |
hi |
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Stcrafts |
Yooo |
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celeron55 |
fired up like million thesaurus pages and tried to make as many short and unique names as possible: https://gist.github.com/celeron55/5494364 |
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sfan5 |
Line 22... :D |
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sfan5 |
what i think when i see mesemake: "$ stat Mesefile $ mesemake" |
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celeron55 |
if i started a new project to be what minetest is now, i'd maybe use derpxel or buildat or minegap 8) |
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celeron55 |
http://c55.me/random/2013-05/tscrot-2013-05-01_11-56-13.png |
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celeron55 |
perttubox |
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celeron55 |
meseption |
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sfan5 |
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RealBadAngel |
what about something with "node" in it? |
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RealBadAngel |
like Nodea for example |
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celeron55 |
the allowance of such depends on whether the name is made for coders vs. users |
| 09:15 |
celeron55 |
it was discussed previously (some 6 hours ago) |
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jin_xi |
squarepuncher? |
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celeron55 |
(i find it funny that such name discussion occurs at the time when americans are at their evening |
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celeron55 |
) |
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celeron55 |
it seems "test" somehow suits those people very badly |
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celeron55 |
everyone else is okay with it 8) |
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celeron55 |
maybe we should market minetest in the US as minegreat |
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jin_xi |
lol |
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celeron55 |
or minebig |
| 09:18 |
celeron55 |
minemoney |
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celeron55 |
mineoil |
| 09:19 |
celeron55 |
minetaste? that's a good name |
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* celeron55 |
adds to list |
| 09:20 |
celeron55 |
well, actualy it's not really that good, it's too similar |
| 09:20 |
celeron55 |
the point of a different name is to... well, be different |
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sfan5 |
why was j4i quited? |
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sfan5 |
*muted |
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thexyz |
insults |
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thexyz |
http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-05-01#i_3060967 |
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kaeza |
#if 0 // CURL IS BEING DUMB |
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kaeza |
nope: http://dumb.sourceforge.net/ |
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celeron55 |
that's one of the best names for software |
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sfan5 |
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kaeza |
<onpon4> I left the OpenPandora community some time ago because I got fed up with that community's tendency to endorse nonfree software and snap back when I disagreed, but I didn't make a topic saying "I'm leaving, you horrible nonfree software apologist heathens!" I just left. |
| 10:02 |
kaeza |
are we going to start with this again? |
| 10:02 |
onpon4 |
kaeza: No. Why? |
| 10:03 |
kaeza |
onpon4, well, you seem to have some inconsistency in what you say and what you do. |
| 10:04 |
onpon4 |
kaeza: What's that? |
| 10:08 |
onpon4 |
kaeza: It's an honest question. You just posted a quote out of its original context where I was criticizing people for making "Goodbye" topics. "are we going to start with this again?" suggests to me that you think I'm trying to push the ideals of free software. That's not an example of that. |
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onpon4 |
john_minetest: I disagree, and here's why: if you're leaving an entire community, there are two possibilities I can think of: either there is a deep reason that simply cannot be corrected, or you're throwing a fit. If it's just a problem you have with the game, you discuss the problem directly and see if others agree with you, and if not, you either do it yourself or give up. |
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celeron55 |
i agree that leaving and discussing about issues should not be done at the same time |
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PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
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celeron55 |
discuss issues if there seems to be a chance for correcting them, and then look a while if something happens, and then just leave silently |
| 10:25 |
celeron55 |
(if nothing does happen) |
| 10:26 |
celeron55 |
(look a while, or try to do something fo a while) |
| 10:26 |
celeron55 |
for* |
| 10:26 |
onpon4 |
And since Minetest is free, you even have option 2: do it yourself. |
| 10:26 |
onpon4 |
(As opposed to leaving, that is.) |
| 10:27 |
celeron55 |
well, discussing and doing should really be done at the same time |
| 10:28 |
iqualfragile |
hi PilzAdam |
| 10:28 |
celeron55 |
(doing things gives the most knowlegde) |
| 10:29 |
PilzAdam |
lol, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/691 |
| 10:30 |
sfan5 |
what so funny about that? |
| 10:31 |
iqualfragile |
oh dear, that might break merges |
| 10:34 |
jin_xi |
here is something i wonder: wouldnt it be possible to write a script that generates a new commit in a new repo b from every diff between commits in repo a, running some code sanitizer before committing to b? |
| 10:34 |
sfan5 |
jin_xi: yes |
| 10:35 |
jin_xi |
so you could fix whitespace and such automatically preserving history and avoiding merge conflicts |
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* jojoa1997 |
grugedly morning all |
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all |
hi jojoa1997 |
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jojoa1997 |
HI! |
| 12:17 |
Calinou |
aww |
| 12:17 |
* Calinou |
on sky hard core, guy comes near me, me logs off |
| 12:17 |
Calinou |
now the guy knows exactly where i am and just has to dig below my feet |
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rotor112 |
how can I use the default flowers mod? |
| 12:19 |
rotor112 |
I'm using common, type /mods and doesn't get the flowers |
| 12:19 |
Calinou |
logic award: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=87570#p87570 |
| 12:21 |
jojoa1997 |
Calinouy shu up about minecraft tools i just started playing |
| 12:21 |
jojoa1997 |
*shut |
| 12:21 |
rotor112 |
so why can't I see flowers? |
| 12:22 |
rotor112 |
of course I'm using the newest minetest common |
| 12:22 |
jojoa1997 |
are you using the newest minetest_game |
| 12:22 |
rotor112 |
yes |
| 12:22 |
rotor112 |
why? |
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jojoa1997 |
have you searched in new areas? |
| 12:22 |
Exio |
minetest_game doesn't have flowers |
| 12:22 |
Exio |
you'll need to use build or survival |
| 12:23 |
jojoa1997 |
WHAT?!?!?!? |
| 12:23 |
jojoa1997 |
that is stupid |
| 12:23 |
rotor112 |
I typed /mods |
| 12:23 |
rotor112 |
and flowers aren't showed |
| 12:23 |
Exio |
jojoa1997: blame PilzAdam 8) |
| 12:24 |
rotor112 |
games/common/flowers/init.lua |
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rotor112 |
why? |
| 12:25 |
* jojoa1997 |
attacks PilzAdam |
| 12:25 |
Exio |
if you want flowers in MT_game, add "flowers" to the end of common_mods in the game.conf (games/minetest_game/game.conf) |
| 12:26 |
rotor112 |
flowers are a part of common |
| 12:26 |
rotor112 |
so... |
| 12:26 |
Exio |
so what? |
| 12:27 |
sfan5 |
rotor112: not any game inheirts all mods from common |
| 12:27 |
sfan5 |
*all games |
| 12:27 |
kaeza |
inherits* |
| 12:27 |
kaeza |
:P |
| 12:27 |
sfan5 |
*inheirt |
| 12:27 |
rotor112 |
I can't find game.conf |
| 12:27 |
kaeza |
hey sfan |
| 12:27 |
sfan5 |
hi |
| 12:28 |
jojoa1997 |
hiu gusy |
| 12:28 |
jojoa1997 |
hu gyus |
| 12:29 |
jojoa1997 |
hi giys |
| 12:29 |
* jojoa1997 |
grrrr |
| 12:29 |
jojoa1997 |
hi guys |
| 12:29 |
Calinou |
jojoa1997: ö_ö well, you were still incorrect :P |
| 12:29 |
Calinou |
about minecraft tools |
| 12:30 |
jojoa1997 |
so what i still am right about how i am king of all things |
| 12:30 |
rotor112 |
I found it |
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rotor112 |
it should be default |
| 12:34 |
jojoa1997 |
bbs |
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jojoa1997 |
HI ALL |
| 12:41 |
celeron55 |
"Weeks of programming can save you hours of planning" |
| 12:41 |
PilzAdam |
spam: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5808 |
| 12:41 |
PilzAdam |
celeron55, I suggest to delete all the "Goodbye" topics |
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celeron55 |
i'm starting to understand why companies spend so much money on PR departments |
| 12:42 |
PilzAdam |
and add a rule somwhere that disallowrs "goodybe" topics |
| 12:43 |
PilzAdam |
*disallows |
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celeron55 |
i think i won't |
| 12:44 |
celeron55 |
i'm not sure what to do with these; they often contain useful information but they clutter the place |
| 12:44 |
celeron55 |
maybe make a section "goodbye threads"? 8D |
| 12:45 |
PilzAdam |
or move to offtopic |
| 12:45 |
BlockMen |
PilzAdam, that would be best |
| 12:45 |
BlockMen |
it doesnt belong to general discussion |
| 12:46 |
celeron55 |
i wish i had time and interest for figuring out what actually is wrong with these people |
| 12:47 |
BlockMen |
celeron55, -> http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=87565#p87565 |
| 12:47 |
sfan5 |
i'm still waiting for someone to merge #692 |
| 12:49 |
celeron55 |
but what the fuck are these people expecting |
| 12:49 |
celeron55 |
it kind of sounds like they came to the wrong place in the first place |
| 12:50 |
BlockMen |
celeron55, i guess so |
| 12:50 |
BlockMen |
-> http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2013-05-01#i_3062104 that would prevent that a bit |
| 12:51 |
PilzAdam |
maybe they think they are some awesome game designers and everything else is just completly stupid and wrong |
| 12:51 |
celeron55 |
PilzAdam: are you ok with it if i give sfan5 upstream access? |
| 12:51 |
PilzAdam |
and all the devs just waited for them to join and follower their awesome ideas |
| 12:51 |
celeron55 |
(just a random question from a random committer in case i'm going insane or something) |
| 12:52 |
PilzAdam |
its fine I guess |
| 12:52 |
celeron55 |
mito551 is kind of respectable for what he does, but i don't understand why he's getting so pissed off |
| 12:53 |
NakedFury |
all the excuses used for leaving are bullshit. the only reason I can see the need to post is some kind of move to grab someones atenttion and get a "dont leave man, we need you" post in the topic |
| 12:53 |
Stcrafts |
hi |
| 12:53 |
sfan5 |
would someone consider this too hacky: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/695/files |
| 12:53 |
sfan5 |
s/:/? :/ |
| 12:54 |
sfan5 |
woops, wrong chan |
| 12:56 |
Stcrafts |
..I |
| 12:59 |
jojoa1997 |
back |
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jojoa1997 |
anything new? |
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jojoa1997 |
is it just me or is yoputube really laggy |
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sfan5 |
MinetestBot just timed out for the first time |
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Guest84546 |
can anyone hear me? |
| 13:10 |
Stcrafts |
who know arsdragonfly |
| 13:11 |
BlockMen |
if i have a mod called "abc" with global function "abc:do_something()", can i call this function from mod "xyz" by using "abc:do_something()"? |
| 13:13 |
BlockMen |
it always throws an nil error |
| 13:15 |
BlockMen |
john_minetest, you know a mod that uses functions from farming? |
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Zeg9 |
Hi |
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BlockMen |
hi Zeg9 |
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BlockMen |
john_minetest, nvm |
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kaeza |
BlockMen, can you post the error? |
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kaeza |
hey Zeg9 |
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kaeza |
BlockMen, maybe you forgot to initialize the global `abc' table |
| 13:18 |
BlockMen |
kaeza, nope. and there error is "attempt to call global 'do_something' (a nil value)" |
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kaeza |
hmm... may I take a peek at the code? |
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kaeza |
actually... hmm |
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BlockMen |
you can if i dont solve it next 20 min...im looking at farming and farming_plus to find error ;) |
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kaeza |
does `xyz' mod depend on `abc'? |
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VanessaE |
hi all. |
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VanessaE |
BlockMen: look how I did that for plants_lib. |
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VanessaE |
(the abc:function() idea) |
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BlockMen |
kaeza, dang. i guess that was it. have another error now... |
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BlockMen |
thx man. |
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BlockMen |
VanessaE, thx but i guess it was the depends thing |
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kaeza |
BlockMen, np |
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kaeza |
I also committed the same mistake |
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kaeza |
hi VanessaE |
| 13:27 |
[0gb_us] |
VanessaE: You said none of the names you listed sound lite a test. What about your listed "MT Voxel Engine"? Does "MT" stand for something that doesn't include the word "test"? |
| 13:27 |
VanessaE |
hi |
| 13:28 |
VanessaE |
[0gb_us]: forgot about that one. ask hmmmm :-) |
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jojoa1997 |
Hi [0gb_us], VanessaE' |
| 13:29 |
jojoa1997 |
Hi [0gb_us], VanessaE |
| 13:29 |
[0gb_us] |
By the way, there is currently another project in very early development called OpenMiner, so you might want to remove that one from the list. |
| 13:29 |
[0gb_us] |
Hey, jojoa1997. |
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* jojoa1997 |
ping all! |
| 13:30 |
[0gb_us] |
jojoa1997: "ping *" |
| 13:30 |
kaeza |
<all> pong |
| 13:30 |
VanessaE |
[0gb_us]: well it's not like that poll is gonna go anywhere, anyways |
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VanessaE |
jojoa1997: pong. |
| 13:31 |
jojoa1997 |
[0gb_us]: "pong" |
| 13:31 |
jojoa1997 |
VanessaE:ping |
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jojoa1997 |
:-D |
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* VanessaE |
throws a handful of expired pings at jojoa1997 |
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jojoa1997 |
*ping was banned |
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* jojoa1997 |
/me wars GO! |
| 13:33 |
VanessaE |
no. |
| 13:33 |
* [0gb_us] |
answers "ping" with "polo", something he saw other people doing on this channel |
| 13:33 |
jojoa1997 |
[0gb_us]: marco |
| 13:33 |
Stcrafts |
0.0 |
| 13:33 |
[0gb_us] |
jojoa1997: Pong. |
| 13:33 |
sfan5 |
jojoa1997: ping |
| 13:33 |
jojoa1997 |
VanessaE: pong |
| 13:33 |
jojoa1997 |
sfan5 pingy |
| 13:34 |
Stcrafts |
pingpong |
| 13:34 |
jojoa1997 |
Starcrafts marcopolo |
| 13:34 |
Stcrafts |
I poor at English... |
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* jojoa1997 |
found an amazing minecraft seed |
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kaeza |
s/craft/test/ |
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Zeg9 |
jojoa1997: pong, delay of 300 seconds, please fix my connection ;) |
| 13:35 |
jojoa1997 |
what does s// mean? |
| 13:35 |
[0gb_us] |
It's some sort of programmer talk for substitution. |
| 13:35 |
* jojoa1997 |
connects Zeg9's computer to mine via usb ?.? |
| 13:35 |
celeron55 |
it's a sed command |
| 13:36 |
jojoa1997 |
s/amazing/jojoa1997 |
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jojoa1997 |
0 |
| 13:36 |
[0gb_us] |
!g sed |
| 13:36 |
MinetestBot |
[0gb_us]: http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/Sed.html |
| 13:36 |
celeron55 |
meaning substitution |
| 13:36 |
jojoa1997 |
!g 0gb.us |
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MinetestBot |
jojoa1997: https://github.com/0gb-us |
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VanessaE |
jojoa1997: unterminated s command |
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jojoa1997 |
!g VanessaE |
| 13:36 |
MinetestBot |
jojoa1997: http://www.vanessae.com/ |
| 13:36 |
VanessaE |
wtf? |
| 13:36 |
celeron55 |
VanessaE: vim supports those! |
| 13:36 |
Stcrafts |
someone know arsdragonfly? |
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jojoa1997 |
yeah i know he was on here earlier |
| 13:37 |
VanessaE |
um, that is NOT my website. |
| 13:37 |
* jojoa1997 |
dun dun DUN! |
| 13:37 |
kaeza |
WOW |
| 13:37 |
kaeza |
didn't know you sang :D |
| 13:37 |
jojoa1997 |
is it possible to made a craft item show up as a cube? |
| 13:37 |
[0gb_us] |
Unlike 0gb.us, VanessaE isn't a globally unique identifier. So there are others. |
| 13:38 |
jojoa1997 |
oh wow your british |
| 13:39 |
jojoa1997 |
;-) |
| 13:39 |
VanessaE |
[0gb_us]: which is why I use my full name where the venue allows for it. |
| 13:39 |
VanessaE |
good luck finding another VanessaEzekowitz out there :) |
| 13:39 |
jojoa1997 |
venue? |
| 13:39 |
[0gb_us] |
Ah, I see. I forgot about the short name limit on IRC. Is there a limit on the forum then? |
| 13:40 |
Stcrafts |
I know minetest only 4 month ，I try to make a mod，but have a lot of problem |
| 13:40 |
[0gb_us] |
!g Ezekowitz |
| 13:40 |
MinetestBot |
[0gb_us]: http://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/author/jezekowitz/ |
| 13:40 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997: venue /ven you/ (n) 1. A location in which something takes place. |
| 13:40 |
jojoa1997 |
Stcrafts what is the prob |
| 13:40 |
[0gb_us] |
!g Vanessa Ezekowitz |
| 13:40 |
MinetestBot |
[0gb_us]: http://www.gedasymbols.org/user/vanessa_ezekowitz/ |
| 13:40 |
jojoa1997 |
paste all your code in here |
| 13:40 |
VanessaE |
[0gb_us]: yep, that's mine. |
| 13:41 |
jojoa1997 |
and all your debuig.txt |
| 13:41 |
[0gb_us] |
I was just about to ask. It seemed like it could be you. |
| 13:41 |
jojoa1997 |
>:-D |
| 13:43 |
[0gb_us] |
VanessaE: Are you on Facebook? And Launchpad? And Wikipedia? And is your middle initial E? |
| 13:43 |
VanessaE |
[0gb_us]: yes on all three. |
| 13:43 |
Stcrafts |
:P my english is |
| 13:43 |
jojoa1997 |
VanessaE what is your last name? |
| 13:43 |
BlockMen |
can i use this global function abc:do_something() to register nodes? |
| 13:44 |
BlockMen |
it seems npt |
| 13:44 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997: *facepalm* |
| 13:44 |
BlockMen |
*not |
| 13:44 |
jojoa1997 |
yes |
| 13:44 |
[0gb_us] |
There's a Vanessa E Ezekowitz on Amazon. |
| 13:44 |
jojoa1997 |
but you have to make the function register nodes |
| 13:44 |
Adarqet |
!g shoes for guns |
| 13:44 |
MinetestBot |
Adarqet: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1994-01-20/news/9401200197_1_guns-sawed-off-ballistics |
| 13:44 |
* jojoa1997 |
achoo |
| 13:44 |
VanessaE |
that's me also, [0gb_us]/ |
| 13:44 |
VanessaE |
. |
| 13:45 |
jojoa1997 |
[0gb_us] is a stalker |
| 13:45 |
VanessaE |
so stalk, see if I give two shits :) |
| 13:45 |
BlockMen |
jojoa, ofc. but i get a "does not follow naming conventions" error |
| 13:45 |
jojoa1997 |
VanessaE: you give three shits |
| 13:46 |
[0gb_us] |
Well, that's only one page of search results, but I'm not really going to keep looking. If you aren't the only Vanessa Ezekowitz, you're certainly the most prominent one. |
| 13:46 |
Adarqet |
!g mossberg500 |
| 13:46 |
MinetestBot |
Adarqet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossberg_500 |
| 13:46 |
jojoa1997 |
paste your code and error on pastebinj.com |
| 13:46 |
jojoa1997 |
pastebin.com |
| 13:46 |
VanessaE |
[0gb_us]: yeah, I guess I'm a bit "loud" aren't I? :) |
| 13:47 |
[0gb_us] |
You just have a big presence! |
| 13:47 |
Vanessa_Ezekowit |
am i? |
| 13:47 |
Vanessa_Ezekowit |
do i? |
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VanessaE |
grrrr |
| 13:47 |
* Vanessa_Ezekowit |
muwhahaha |
| 13:48 |
[0gb_us] |
Lose the underscore, and it'll fit. |
| 13:48 |
* VanessaEzekowitz |
muwqhahaha |
| 13:48 |
VanessaE |
jojoa: don't. just don't. |
| 13:49 |
jojoa19978 |
wtf |
| 13:50 |
VanessaE |
haha |
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* jojoa1997 |
watching minecraft parodies |
| 13:51 |
VanessaEzekowitz |
there, |
| 13:51 |
VanessaE |
back to normal, and protected. :) |
| 13:52 |
* jojoa1997 |
VanessaE` |
| 13:52 |
jojoa1997 |
~`~`~`~ |
| 13:52 |
jojoa1997 |
lol |
| 13:53 |
jojoa1997 |
i just sawe a parody where the player jumped into the end with only a wood sword and leather armor |
| 13:53 |
Koren |
heya |
| 13:53 |
VanessaE |
hi |
| 13:53 |
NickParrington |
Hello. |
| 13:54 |
jojoa1997 |
hay |
| 13:54 |
celeron55 |
VanessaE: lol, gedasymbols.org |
| 13:54 |
celeron55 |
there's a chance i would have used something drawn by you |
| 13:54 |
VanessaE |
possible. |
| 13:55 |
celeron55 |
probably not though |
| 13:55 |
jojoa1997 |
ok so |
| 13:55 |
celeron55 |
in any case i've used gEDA for actual PCBs |
| 13:55 |
VanessaE |
not unless you're designing c64 stuff |
| 13:55 |
VanessaE |
ditto. all of my projects are made with gschem and geda/pcb |
| 13:56 |
Koren |
Does this commit broke your game too ? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/a4183994a446a065e3151745b4167270ebae6194 |
| 13:56 |
celeron55 |
i once tried kicad, or maybe twice |
| 13:56 |
celeron55 |
it's horrible |
| 13:56 |
jojoa1997 |
so when will held stuff be shown by default and also moving heads |
| 13:56 |
VanessaE |
Kray: break it how? |
| 13:56 |
Kray |
wat |
| 13:56 |
VanessaE |
fak |
| 13:56 |
VanessaE |
Koren: break it how? |
| 13:57 |
Koren |
The game don't launch because it failed to run builtin.lua |
| 13:57 |
Koren |
when I comment dofile(minetest.get_modpath("__builtin").."/features.lua"), game runs |
| 13:57 |
VanessaE |
Koren: pastebin the error messages please |
| 13:58 |
PilzAdam |
Koren, actually yes |
| 13:58 |
PilzAdam |
sfan5, ^ |
| 13:58 |
PilzAdam |
15:56:40: ERROR[main]: /home/adam/Minetest/minetest/bin/../builtin/features.lua:4: '}' expected (to close '{' at line 3) near '=' |
| 13:58 |
Koren |
http://pastebin.com/30hgDCaE |
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NickParrington |
Oops. I left the chat, but I meant to clear the scrollback. |
| 13:59 |
PilzAdam |
sfan5, its glasslike_framed = true, |
| 13:59 |
PilzAdam |
not "glasslike_framed" = true, |
| 13:59 |
celeron55 |
either nothing or [""] |
| 13:59 |
VanessaE |
why even include true? |
| 13:59 |
jojoa1997 |
Koren what is the code |
| 14:00 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, to make it not nil |
| 14:00 |
celeron55 |
they are keys, so they need values |
| 14:00 |
VanessaE |
if minetest.features.glasslike_frames then ..... end |
| 14:00 |
* PilzAdam |
fixes it |
| 14:00 |
VanessaE |
framed* |
| 14:00 |
sfan5 |
how i feel: http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/37429751.jpg |
| 14:00 |
jojoa1997 |
oh what does glass framed do?\ |
| 14:00 |
kaeza |
I guess sfan5 is too much used to python syntax |
| 14:00 |
sfan5 |
kaeza: you're right, i use python alo |
| 14:00 |
sfan5 |
*a lot |
| 14:00 |
celeron55 |
sfan5: this is why nobody wants to merge anything from others; it'll just break something an be a headache :D |
| 14:01 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: why does it matter if it's nil? wouldn't the absence of the feature in the list imply that it is false? |
| 14:01 |
VanessaE |
and therefore its presence is true? |
| 14:01 |
celeron55 |
and* |
| 14:01 |
VanessaE |
don't overcomplicate it! |
| 14:01 |
sfan5 |
celeron55: :D |
| 14:01 |
PilzAdam |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/b28734c82cdb88228a12a3cac90f51ab9384b653 |
| 14:01 |
sfan5 |
*deletes newest minetest build from his server* |
| 14:02 |
kaeza |
actually, the truth value of nil is false |
| 14:02 |
NickParrington |
VanessaE: If not set to true (or something else), it's an unset variable. In Lua, those "disappear". |
| 14:03 |
VanessaE |
hrm |
| 14:03 |
VanessaE |
good point |
| 14:03 |
celeron55 |
VanessaE: setting values of named keys to true is how you do sets in lua |
| 14:03 |
VanessaE |
didn't think of it from that standpoint |
| 14:03 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, http://www.lua.org/pil/ |
| 14:03 |
PilzAdam |
:-p |
| 14:04 |
celeron55 |
(as well as javascript, and everything else that doesn't specifically include a set container) |
| 14:05 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: don't. just don't. the PiL is written by Lua experts FOR experts (most of the time, it's been useless to me, in favor of other resources) |
| 14:05 |
VanessaE |
celeron55: not a feature I've used before is all. |
| 14:05 |
thexyz |
pil is fairly simple |
| 14:05 |
VanessaE |
for you. |
| 14:06 |
sfan5 |
but lua's stack-based functio calling is not easy to understand |
| 14:06 |
VanessaE |
let's not start that again. |
| 14:06 |
sfan5 |
+n |
| 14:06 |
[0gb_us] |
Hmm? Odd. I usually use either the Minetest API doc or the Lua doc that PilzAdam linked to. |
| 14:06 |
celeron55 |
pil is basically all i needed for understanding lua (in addition to the reference)... but whatever |
| 14:07 |
thexyz |
sfan5: well, you don't need to know how it works to use it |
| 14:07 |
thexyz |
VanessaE: okay |
| 14:07 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: thats actually right |
| 14:08 |
thexyz |
everything I say is right! |
| 14:08 |
thexyz |
(from my point of view, at least) |
| 14:09 |
thexyz |
(at the moment of time I say that) |
| 14:09 |
kaeza |
thexyz, what if you say "this statement is false"? |
| 14:09 |
[0gb_us] |
Then it is false, creating a time space paradox. |
| 14:10 |
VanessaE |
[0gb_us]: you mean one of those universe-destroying things? surely it'll only be limited to our galaxy |
| 14:10 |
[0gb_us] |
Isn't destroying the universe fun? |
| 14:10 |
VanessaE |
sure, if you're a god maybe :) |
| 14:10 |
jojoa1997 |
<thexyz> everything I say is right! |
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| 14:10 |
[0gb_us] |
I don't think time space is localized to our galaxy. |
| 14:10 |
jojoa1997 |
sfan how tall am i |
| 14:11 |
jojoa1997 |
@Everyone are we minetest-alpha,beta, or delta |
| 14:12 |
sfan5 |
brand new win32 build for those interested: http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/c55/minetest-0.4.6-b28734c-win32.7z |
| 14:12 |
morten771 |
would the gamma quadrant do? ;-) |
| 14:12 |
kaeza |
morten771, wat |
| 14:13 |
PilzAdam |
jojoa1997, we are at Minetest 0.4.6 |
| 14:13 |
[0gb_us] |
0.4.6 is out now? Yay! |
| 14:13 |
* [0gb_us] |
runs off to compile |
| 14:14 |
jojoa1997 |
werent we alrady 0.4.6 |
| 14:14 |
[0gb_us] |
Yeah. |
| 14:14 |
jojoa1997 |
so why you need to compile |
| 14:15 |
[0gb_us] |
I was pretending to be so far out of the loop, that I didn't even know 0.4.6 was out yet. |
| 14:15 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997: sarcasm FAIL |
| 14:15 |
Exio |
VanessaE: what is sarcasm |
| 14:15 |
Exio |
>:D |
| 14:15 |
morten771 |
stardate 0004.6 in a galaxy where near ours |
| 14:16 |
* jojoa1997 |
never heard of sarcas...what? |
| 14:16 |
[0gb_us] |
What about incrementing the version upon every commit? 0.4.6.0 would be stable, then 0.4.6.1, 0.4.6.2, et cetera. |
| 14:16 |
morten771 |
sar-casm is that a disease? |
| 14:16 |
[0gb_us] |
!g sarcasm |
| 14:16 |
MinetestBot |
[0gb_us]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm |
| 14:16 |
PilzAdam |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm |
| 14:17 |
PilzAdam |
:-( |
| 14:17 |
jojoa1997 |
!g seriousness |
| 14:17 |
MinetestBot |
jojoa1997: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seriousness |
| 14:17 |
[0gb_us] |
PilzAdam: Ha ha, too slow. |
| 14:18 |
kaeza |
lol Calinou changed his signature again |
| 14:18 |
* kaeza |
loves this guy |
| 14:18 |
kaeza |
(or girl...?) |
| 14:19 |
PilzAdam |
kaeza, neither of those, its french |
| 14:19 |
Exio |
lol |
| 14:19 |
kaeza |
PilzAdam, :D |
| 14:19 |
kaeza |
he is a hug |
| 14:19 |
PilzAdam |
new win build: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4547 |
| 14:19 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 14:20 |
kaeza |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=67257#p67257 |
| 14:21 |
jojoa1997 |
what is new with this version |
| 14:21 |
morten771 |
so... the easiest way to test this out is with wine, or? (I'm on linux mint ~ubuntu10.04) |
| 14:21 |
PilzAdam |
as you can tell from the name: stuff |
| 14:21 |
jojoa1997 |
Calinouehow do you get vines in minecraft> |
| 14:21 |
jojoa1997 |
? |
| 14:21 |
VanessaE |
he isn'tin here, jojoa1997 |
| 14:21 |
PilzAdam |
morten771, ehm, if you are on linux you shouldnt run win builds |
| 14:22 |
PilzAdam |
but yes, Minetest works in wine |
| 14:22 |
PilzAdam |
thats how I test my builds |
| 14:22 |
morten771 |
aha |
| 14:22 |
PilzAdam |
(yes, I test every single build before uploading) |
| 14:25 |
kaeza |
offtopic: I'd like to see a reply from celeron55 to that topic :P |
| 14:26 |
VanessaE |
new ubuntu 13.04 build up. |
| 14:26 |
morten771 |
I suppose I could downloadin the source and make it ofcourse, instead of running the windows build... there is no precompiled linux binaries for me to download, right? |
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| 14:26 |
morten771 |
oh. |
| 14:26 |
Exio |
jojoa1997: you get vines with shears in jungle trees - in swamps - or farming it |
| 14:27 |
jojoa1997 |
thanks |
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| 14:31 |
PilzAdam |
morten771, I strongly recommend compiling yourself |
| 14:32 |
[0gb_us] |
I used to use Wine for running dev Minetest too, before I started compiling it. It works, but Minetest is faster OUTSIDE of Winne. |
| 14:32 |
[0gb_us] |
*Wine |
| 14:33 |
jojoa1997 |
idea! |
| 14:33 |
[0gb_us] |
Uh oh. |
| 14:33 |
* [0gb_us] |
braces himself |
| 14:33 |
jojoa1997 |
i cant remmeber the name but a minecraft movie using the frame byu frame thingy |
| 14:33 |
jojoa1997 |
stopmotion movie? |
| 14:35 |
jojoa1997 |
what do you think |
| 14:35 |
[0gb_us] |
Okay. Is that something you're planning? It sounds hard but fun. |
| 14:35 |
PilzAdam |
you havent even told us any idea |
| 14:35 |
[0gb_us] |
I think his idea is to create one. |
| 14:35 |
jojoa1997 |
yeah a stopmotion movie |
| 14:36 |
jojoa1997 |
it would be easy cause i could move block by block |
| 14:36 |
Exio |
? |
| 14:36 |
Exio |
frame by frame what |
| 14:36 |
[0gb_us] |
Moving that far for each frame would be very jerky. |
| 14:37 |
jojoa1997 |
frame by frame shots |
| 14:37 |
Exio |
jojoa1997: fps_limit=5 |
| 14:37 |
Exio |
recordmydesktop |
| 14:37 |
Exio |
profit |
| 14:37 |
jojoa1997 |
i have a program that does stopmotion movies |
| 14:38 |
Exio |
is it opensource |
| 14:38 |
Exio |
or do you have a license for using it being l33t - read that as: is it cracked? |
| 14:39 |
morten771 |
ok what make system do you use for compiling? |
| 14:40 |
morten771 |
and is there a nice source archive file to download or do I have to download from svn or something is I want same version of ther source as the latest windows build? |
| 14:40 |
PilzAdam |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/README.txt#L80 |
| 14:40 |
PilzAdam |
^ morten771 |
| 14:44 |
morten771 |
ok |
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| 15:01 |
jojoa1997 |
we need to add one of the multiple current ways to make wool to default |
| 15:02 |
jojoa1997 |
and VanessaE i love what ypou did with the new uinified dyes |
| 15:02 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997: flowers_plus. :) |
| 15:02 |
VanessaE |
thanks :) |
| 15:02 |
jojoa1997 |
oh yeah' |
| 15:02 |
jojoa1997 |
VanessaE i will be having white dye(bonemeal) spawn all the flowers |
| 15:03 |
VanessaE |
self-replicating white dandelions? :) |
| 15:03 |
jojoa1997 |
no |
| 15:03 |
jojoa1997 |
bonemal spawns flowers |
| 15:03 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997: default dyes/flowers turn white dandelions into white dye. |
| 15:03 |
jojoa1997 |
i know |
| 15:04 |
jojoa1997 |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQCnkWeq7fM |
| 15:06 |
[0gb_us] |
PilzAdam wants the way to get wool to be his farming, added to common. So that's what's probably going to happen. |
| 15:08 |
VanessaE |
meh |
| 15:08 |
jojoa1997 |
i know but PilzAdam add your farming already |
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| 15:21 |
jojoa1997 |
forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php??pid=87627#p87627 |
| 15:21 |
Calinou |
prepend "http://" before so that it is clickable by xchat users ;) |
| 15:22 |
VanessaE |
Bad request. The link you followed is incorrect or outdated. |
| 15:22 |
Calinou |
same |
| 15:22 |
Exio |
^ |
| 15:22 |
Calinou |
VanessaE: merged pull request |
| 15:22 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: thanks |
| 15:22 |
jojoa1997 |
forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=87627#p87627 |
| 15:22 |
VanessaE |
I had the same prob in homedecor after converting to 6d. What's odd is I know I tested that. *shrug* it works now. |
| 15:22 |
jojoa1997 |
this is what i get for manually typing it |
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| 15:23 |
Calinou |
you can convert MC packs to minetest easily now, rename files, color grass/leaves |
| 15:23 |
Calinou |
for torches and cactus it's going to be a little more complicated, though |
| 15:24 |
Zeg9 |
Hi again |
| 15:24 |
VanessaE |
am I the only one who tries not to show custom textures and shaders when taking a screenshot for publication? |
| 15:24 |
sfan5 |
brb, restarting computer |
| 15:24 |
jojoa1997 |
Calinou i have already converted it with a .bat file but i cant to the color changes(grass, leaves), torches, and the cacti are a problem |
| 15:24 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997: imagemagick. |
| 15:24 |
Calinou |
heh, steam needs to "convert TF2 data into a new file format" |
| 15:24 |
jojoa1997 |
i mean i cant get the colorization right |
| 15:24 |
Calinou |
doing it :P |
| 15:25 |
Calinou |
hi Zeg9 |
| 15:25 |
Calinou |
I still can't log in to your server, can you reset my password please? |
| 15:25 |
jojoa1997 |
VanessaE gimp it |
| 15:25 |
Zeg9 |
Oh, it isn't started yet. |
| 15:25 |
BlockMen |
bye everyone |
| 15:25 |
Exio |
jojoa1997: .bat lol |
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| 15:25 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997: use imagemagick for command-line work. makes it very easy to script things. |
| 15:25 |
* Zeg9 |
will backup the world and start his server |
| 15:25 |
jojoa1997 |
Exio it works on all windows computers and it is really fast |
| 15:26 |
* Calinou |
doesn't even know what's the command to name files on windows |
| 15:26 |
Calinou |
on windows, I know these commands: dir, del, ipconfig, cd |
| 15:26 |
Calinou |
nothing else :P |
| 15:26 |
Exio |
jojoa1997: bash is 1337% more powerful and haz 9001% more stuff |
| 15:26 |
jojoa1997 |
Exio by me a new computer to put linux on |
| 15:26 |
VanessaE |
over 9000, meh |
| 15:26 |
VanessaE |
that meme is old. |
| 15:26 |
VanessaE |
old meme is old. |
| 15:26 |
VanessaE |
(almost blew the chance ;) ) |
| 15:27 |
jojoa1997 |
Calinou ren blockIron.png "default_steel_block.png" |
| 15:27 |
Exio |
VanessaE: the irc is old |
| 15:27 |
Calinou |
jojoa1997: if you're scared of dual boot, you can buy a separate HDD/SSD |
| 15:27 |
[0gb_us] |
VanessaE: Yeah, I've noticed people like taking shots in their custom textures. |
| 15:27 |
Calinou |
TIL a new windows command :D |
| 15:28 |
Zeg9 |
VanessaE, [0gb_us] for mod releases and pull requests, I use default textures; else I don't see any problem using a texture pack |
| 15:28 |
jojoa1997 |
Calinou i cant install linux on my computer end of story. Tell me to use linux is like saying ok let me buy you a computer for YOU to own |
| 15:28 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: two words: overzealous parents. |
| 15:28 |
jojoa1997 |
VanessaE: one word mom |
| 15:28 |
Exio |
jojoa1997: you live in usa |
| 15:28 |
Exio |
you can get your own super-computer for half of the money, of here |
| 15:28 |
jojoa1997 |
anways i would like you guys to code something in bash |
| 15:29 |
Calinou |
virtualize it then |
| 15:29 |
Calinou |
if you don't want to play games in virtualbox, you do not need a beefy CPU |
| 15:29 |
* Zeg9 |
just started his server back |
| 15:29 |
[0gb_us] |
Zeg9: Some people use custom textures even in releases though. |
| 15:30 |
VanessaE |
guys, jojoa1997's computer is locked-down by his mom in such a way as to make it impossible to clandestinely install software such as a virtual machine or a dual-boot OS. |
| 15:30 |
Zeg9 |
Yeah, or post processing on screenshots |
| 15:30 |
Exio |
how can he use MT then |
| 15:30 |
VanessaE |
Zeg9: which is fucking irritating. :-/ |
| 15:30 |
VanessaE |
make it look like what the downloader would see initially. |
| 15:30 |
Zeg9 |
jojoa1997, this sucks |
| 15:30 |
VanessaE |
Exio: I am not sure |
| 15:30 |
jojoa1997 |
Exio it is on a very specified lockdown |
| 15:31 |
Exio |
you can use a VM - like you can play MT |
| 15:31 |
Calinou |
MT runs at 30FPS for me in vbox |
| 15:31 |
jojoa1997 |
also i have many backlups of minetest so when she deletes one i can use another |
| 15:31 |
Calinou |
sometimes more |
| 15:31 |
Zeg9 |
What about having a special executable that will write the OS to a cd, would it be locked by dictator software? |
| 15:32 |
sfan5 |
a lockdown software can't always win |
| 15:32 |
Calinou |
lockdown software? reinstall windows :trollface: |
| 15:32 |
sfan5 |
e.g. you write a xor encrypten os to a usb stick |
| 15:32 |
VanessaE |
guys, you are advocating that a 14 year old should violate his parents rules. |
| 15:32 |
jojoa1997 |
it isnt lockdown software |
| 15:32 |
jojoa1997 |
VanessaE cough cough 15 |
| 15:33 |
Exio |
you look like 12 tbh |
| 15:33 |
Zeg9 |
rules are here to be broken |
| 15:33 |
* sfan5 |
agrees with Exio |
| 15:33 |
VanessaE |
ok 15 then. |
| 15:33 |
VanessaE |
whatever. |
| 15:33 |
sfan5 |
<jojoa1997> it isnt lockdown software |
| 15:33 |
sfan5 |
what then? |
| 15:34 |
jojoa1997 |
Zeg9 broken rules=consequences |
| 15:34 |
Zeg9 |
True... |
| 15:34 |
Calinou |
well, there is no solution if you can't install software freely |
| 15:34 |
jojoa1997 |
consequences=no computer(no minetest) and no tablet(no minetest online) |
| 15:35 |
jojoa1997 |
Calinou i can but it never seems to work and i am not changing my computers code |
| 15:35 |
sfan5 |
"i am not changing my computers code" what? |
| 15:35 |
VanessaE |
he means the OS. |
| 15:35 |
jojoa1997 |
guys just drop it |
| 15:36 |
jojoa1997 |
i have had this same discussion with you all 3-5 times already |
| 15:36 |
sfan5 |
drop it? well the listen to dubstep |
| 15:36 |
* jojoa1997 |
<safn5> smart aleck |
| 15:37 |
Exio |
use the /me for things in third person, and check what you write |
| 15:37 |
[0gb_us] |
If you want it dropped, then quit asking how to do the impossible. You ask how to do things that you can't do without installing things. |
| 15:37 |
jojoa1997 |
Exio i did that on purpose >:-) |
| 15:37 |
Zeg9 |
[unrelated] How can I tell firefox to stop asking me to install flash? (not installing icecat or iceweasel or whatever) |
| 15:37 |
jojoa1997 |
[0gb_us] i didnt |
| 15:38 |
Exio |
Zeg9: install swfdef! |
| 15:38 |
Calinou |
Zeg9: by installing flash |
| 15:38 |
Zeg9 |
... |
| 15:38 |
[0gb_us] |
Okay, I thought you did. I'm glad I wasn't one of the people telling you to install Linux this time then. |
| 15:38 |
Calinou |
works for me under chromium. |
| 15:38 |
jojoa1997 |
i think it started here when <Exio> jojoa1997: bash is 1337% more powerful and haz 9001% more stuff |
| 15:38 |
VanessaE |
Zeg9: install gnash. maybe that'll shut it up? |
| 15:38 |
jojoa1997 |
said i should uuse linux for the abilities of bash |
| 15:38 |
Zeg9 |
I mean, I don't want any flash implementation |
| 15:38 |
Calinou |
instead, you'll get pruple flicker everywhere |
| 15:39 |
[0gb_us] |
When does it ask for Flash? Just in times a page wants it? |
| 15:39 |
Calinou |
and occasionally a pony will appear and say something insightful |
| 15:39 |
Zeg9 |
[0gb_us], yes |
| 15:39 |
VanessaE |
Zeg9: then use a flashblocker to stop the applets from loading? |
| 15:39 |
Calinou |
you can install flash then set it to run on click only |
| 15:39 |
Calinou |
chromium can do that |
| 15:39 |
Calinou |
or use a flashblock |
| 15:39 |
Zeg9 |
I have noscript already, but when I enable javascript,... it enables flash too |
| 15:39 |
[0gb_us] |
Well, if a page "needs" flash, I think your browser will try to get you to install it. I'm not sure current Firefox is set up to allow you to disable that. |
| 15:40 |
Exio |
i use flashblock - separated"ly" |
| 15:40 |
Zeg9 |
I'll look in about:config |
| 15:40 |
* [0gb_us] |
likes about:config, it lets him disable that annoying URI "trimming" setting |
| 15:40 |
Zeg9 |
I think this should do it: plugins.hide_infobar_for_missing_plugin |
| 15:41 |
Zeg9 |
Thanks for your help :P |
| 15:41 |
Calinou |
"Error 300 (net::ERR_INVALID_URL) : Unknown error" chromium, that's insightful |
| 15:41 |
[0gb_us] |
That'll hide all plugin requests though, right? Is that what you're wanting? |
| 15:41 |
Calinou |
I tried to do about:config :P |
| 15:43 |
* [0gb_us] |
wonders if he has flash installed |
| 15:43 |
Calinou |
by default it is installed on *buntus |
| 15:44 |
[0gb_us] |
!g Do I have Flash installed? |
| 15:44 |
MinetestBot |
[0gb_us]: http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/find-version-flash-player.html |
| 15:44 |
[0gb_us] |
I thought 'buntu had only free software, so no FLash, by default. |
| 15:45 |
[0gb_us] |
But I did click the option to install third party stuff, which isn'[t default, so I might have it. |
| 15:45 |
[0gb_us] |
Yeah, according to the test, I have Flash. |
| 15:47 |
ShadowNinja |
sfan5: If you want to add features to phenny you should add this: Ability to trigger a command both with the prifix and by addressing it by name, like ShadowBot. |
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| 15:48 |
Calinou |
[0gb_us]: nope, it's far from fully FOSS |
| 15:48 |
[0gb_us] |
ShadowBot: assemble the troops. Tonight, we invade. |
| 15:48 |
[0gb_us] |
Calinou: My bad then. |
| 15:49 |
Calinou |
proprietary firmware is always installed, MP3/flash codecs are installed if wanted ("install third party software"), proprietary drivers available |
| 15:49 |
ShadowNinja |
[0gb_us]: Disabled for normal users while MinetestBot is around. |
| 15:49 |
Calinou |
now please don't turn this into a FOSS debate :) |
| 15:49 |
[0gb_us] |
I read that Ubuntu merged Gobuntu with the main project due to Ubuntu having a fully FOSS option. |
| 15:50 |
Exio |
the only way to do that, in 9.10 at least, was with an option in the syslinux when the livecd boots |
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[0gb_us] |
And by the way Calinou, I'm only anti-Windows, not anti-proprietary software in general. I use proprietary software myself, and I also understand developers have to eat. |
| 15:51 |
rubenwardy |
hi all |
| 15:51 |
[0gb_us] |
Hey, rubenwardy. |
| 15:51 |
Calinou |
hi rubenwardy |
| 15:51 |
* Calinou |
connects to sky hardcore |
| 15:52 |
rubenwardy |
not this proprietary debate agin |
| 15:52 |
rubenwardy |
*again |
| 15:52 |
Calinou |
WTF, I'm downloading at 604KB/s from steam |
| 15:52 |
Calinou |
:D |
| 15:52 |
[0gb_us] |
I'm not debating. Is someone debating? |
| 15:52 |
Calinou |
I'm not rubenwardy |
| 15:52 |
Calinou |
Calinou> now please don't turn this into a FOSS debate :) |
| 15:52 |
[0gb_us] |
And we didn't. Yay! |
| 15:52 |
celeron55 |
maybe i should add the "celeron55 hates FOSS zealots" text back on the homepage (that it had in 2011) 8) |
| 15:53 |
VanessaE |
hey ruben |
| 15:53 |
Zeg9 |
Sorry... I shouldn't have talked about this. |
| 15:53 |
[0gb_us] |
!g zealots |
| 15:53 |
MinetestBot |
[0gb_us]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealotry |
| 15:53 |
Zeg9 |
Hi, rubenwardy |
| 15:53 |
Calinou |
"celeron55 hates OOP zealots, FOSS zealots, smalltalk, perfectionism and noobs. 8)" |
| 15:53 |
Calinou |
I still remember that :P |
| 15:55 |
rubenwardy |
popular today |
| 15:55 |
rubenwardy |
How is ye oll? |
| 15:55 |
rubenwardy |
(How is everyone) |
| 15:55 |
Calinou |
aww, there's one person on sky hardcore, presumably Guest9770 |
| 15:56 |
VanessaE |
doing okay here. |
| 15:56 |
jojoa1997 |
what is sky hardcore |
| 15:56 |
jojoa1997 |
? |
| 15:56 |
Calinou |
an hardcore server |
| 15:56 |
jojoa1997 |
minecaft or minetest? |
| 15:56 |
Calinou |
that Guest9770 has a lot of stuff including mese sword, which is OP :P |
| 15:57 |
[0gb_us] |
I'm doing well. And you, rubenwardy? |
| 15:57 |
Calinou |
minetest |
| 15:57 |
jojoa1997 |
what is adress |
| 15:57 |
rubenwardy |
Good thanks |
| 15:57 |
Calinou |
see public server list: http://servers.minetest.net |
| 15:57 |
rubenwardy |
Thinking about playing with the food mod a bit |
| 15:57 |
[0gb_us] |
In a couple moths, I'll probably be getting World of Goo. Has anyone played that? |
| 15:58 |
[0gb_us] |
*months |
| 15:58 |
jojoa1997 |
CAlinou i see no sky hardcore setrver |
| 15:59 |
rubenwardy |
I can |
| 15:59 |
Calinou |
there is one |
| 15:59 |
rubenwardy |
#7 |
| 15:59 |
Calinou |
.net not .ru |
| 15:59 |
Calinou |
Sky hardcoretesting new features. liquid, mapgen, dungeons, floatislands. CAN BE RESTARTED OR WIPED AT ANY TIME |
| 15:59 |
Calinou |
80.240.216.69:30010 |
| 15:59 |
ShadowNinja |
ShadowBot: server --name Sky |
| 15:59 |
ShadowBot |
ShadowNinja: Sky hardcore | 80.240.216.69:30010 | Clients: 1/3 | Version: 0.4.6 | ping: 0.161 |
| 16:00 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 16:01 |
Calinou |
who will get Guest9770 first? that is the question! |
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| 16:08 |
rubenwardy |
Is default:dry_shrub still generated? |
| 16:08 |
Calinou |
yep |
| 16:08 |
Calinou |
in deserts |
| 16:08 |
VanessaE |
yes |
| 16:08 |
VanessaE |
and by junglegrass mod. |
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| 16:10 |
jojoa1997 |
are there gold tools? |
| 16:11 |
jojoa1997 |
3 DIAMONDS! |
| 16:11 |
jojoa1997 |
should i craft a sword or a pick? |
| 16:11 |
VanessaE |
no. |
| 16:11 |
VanessaE |
unless moreores still has those |
| 16:11 |
VanessaE |
a pick, of course. |
| 16:12 |
jojoa1997 |
why? |
| 16:12 |
VanessaE |
because you need mining tools more than you need defense tools? |
| 16:12 |
Calinou |
unless you're playing pvp, zero need for sword |
| 16:12 |
Calinou |
but diamond sword is OP :P |
| 16:12 |
VanessaE |
surely you'll save your swords for fighting mobs and the picks for everything else |
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| 16:13 |
jojoa1997 |
well since i only have one stick |
| 16:13 |
Calinou |
swords have infinite durability when not using them to mine leaves :P |
| 16:13 |
VanessaE |
you only have one stick? poor materials management :) |
| 16:13 |
* jojoa1997 |
crying: its so pretty |
| 16:14 |
VanessaE |
when playing survival, I always keep up to a full stack of tree trunks on hand, and usually a stack of steel, or cobble if I don't have it. |
| 16:14 |
jojoa1997 |
yeah well i have 5 other ones also |
| 16:14 |
hylian |
is there a map or something? I would like to go spelunking but find my way back "home" afterwards.. also, is there a mod that adds towns like minecaft has? |
| 16:14 |
VanessaE |
in addition to a stack of coal |
| 16:14 |
Calinou |
hylian: minetestmapper.py can make surface maps |
| 16:14 |
Calinou |
other than that, no |
| 16:14 |
VanessaE |
towns? sokomine's random buildings mod. |
| 16:14 |
VanessaE |
and traders mod |
| 16:14 |
VanessaE |
those add such |
| 16:14 |
VanessaE |
I think |
| 16:14 |
Calinou |
there are quite a lot of mods that add towns and structures |
| 16:15 |
jojoa1997 |
sfan5 did you fall? |
| 16:15 |
Calinou |
VanessaE: this gave me an idea, how about adding tags for mod types instead of the obnoxious [Mod]? |
| 16:15 |
hylian |
are the towns filled with some npc's to buy stuff from? I am mostly interested in that.. |
| 16:16 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: not a bad idea as long as the categories are laid out ahead of time - i.e. mod authors should not be able to just make them up |
| 16:16 |
Calinou |
eg. STRUCT for structures, ORE for ores, DECO for decorative, MECH for mechanisms (mesecons), FARM for farm-like stuff, MOB and so on |
| 16:16 |
Calinou |
bukkit does that :P |
| 16:16 |
Calinou |
(well, bukkit plugins) |
| 16:16 |
[0gb_us] |
I keep a stack of trees and mese on hand, but never iron. |
| 16:16 |
Calinou |
6 people on sky hardcore, that's a lot |
| 16:17 |
VanessaE |
[0gb_us]: iron isn't rare. there's no reason to hoard it :) |
| 16:17 |
Calinou |
it's kinda rare :P |
| 16:17 |
[0gb_us] |
THe reason to hoard it is that it is the only thing of value. So yes, there's a reason. |
| 16:17 |
VanessaE |
not really. of course, I haven't played survival actively since around 0.4.4 :P |
| 16:17 |
hylian |
well thanks. i like the idea of npc's to interact with. otherwise the world feels kind of empty... and most of the time I cant play online, (crappy internet) |
| 16:18 |
[0gb_us] |
If half the nodes in the game were iron ore, I'd still hoard iron. |
| 16:18 |
VanessaE |
[0gb_us]: but it has no value if it's too common |
| 16:18 |
hylian |
because it cuts through rock so much better than stone? I hear you there. |
| 16:19 |
hylian |
bye |
| 16:19 |
[0gb_us] |
VanessaE: It's the ONLY thing you can make nodes that vandals can't break out of. THAT'S where it gets its value from, not rarity. |
| 16:20 |
jojoa1997 |
0gb_us what about obsidian |
| 16:20 |
jojoa1997 |
and iron isnt even a block |
| 16:20 |
VanessaE |
[0gb_us]: you mean like steel blocks? a mese pick makes quick work of those.. although a vandal is unlikely to have one. |
| 16:20 |
[0gb_us] |
jojoa1997: Other players can break obsidian. |
| 16:20 |
rubenwardy |
Is it possible to have a modpack in a modpack? |
| 16:20 |
VanessaE |
rubenwardy: yes |
| 16:20 |
rubenwardy |
cool |
| 16:20 |
VanessaE |
but it isn't recommended. |
| 16:21 |
[0gb_us] |
And steel doors and locked chests are the only two nodes that defend themselves. |
| 16:21 |
rubenwardy |
It is just for my local mod folder |
| 16:21 |
[0gb_us] |
VanessaE: Not steel blocks, locked blocks. |
| 16:21 |
VanessaE |
oh |
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| 16:21 |
rubenwardy |
I want to keep all my food mods together, and I might make one of them a mod pack |
| 16:21 |
VanessaE |
rubenwardy: moretrees has a few foods now, btw :) |
| 16:22 |
rubenwardy |
ah cool |
| 16:22 |
rubenwardy |
may add support |
| 16:22 |
rubenwardy |
when I sort this shit out |
| 16:22 |
jojoa1997 |
just get monkeys :-) |
| 16:22 |
VanessaE |
fwiw: raw coconut, coconut milk, acorn muffins, and various roasted nuts |
| 16:23 |
rubenwardy |
the "shit" is sorting this out: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/my_mods/food/ |
| 16:24 |
[0gb_us] |
The only safe node is a locked node. And there are only five locked nodes, all made from iron. (four are all the locked door, it's a technicality) All five require iron to make, making iron the only vanilla anti-vandal tool. THough it doesn't prevent vandals from filling such a building with their own unbreakable nodes, unless you plan out your building VERY well. |
| 16:24 |
rubenwardy |
and making a better structure |
| 16:25 |
Calinou |
lol |
| 16:25 |
Calinou |
guest9770 teleports near me, I jump IRL |
| 16:26 |
Calinou |
[0gb_us]: locked chests can't be broken by other people |
| 16:26 |
Calinou |
:> |
| 16:26 |
[0gb_us] |
Exactly my point, Calinou. |
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Calinou |
anyway, I fail to understand how Guest9770 got that much resources |
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[0gb_us] |
Locked chests and locked doors are the only things vandals can't destroy. |
| 16:26 |
Calinou |
I've saw his bones once: mese tools and sword, gold, iron |
| 16:27 |
* jojoa1997 |
places tnt |
| 16:27 |
Calinou |
on sky hardcore... it's impossible to get decent resources there |
| 16:27 |
Calinou |
my best is stone tools and sword |
| 16:27 |
Calinou |
and as soon as I log in back, i'll die |
| 16:27 |
[0gb_us] |
That's why I prize iron above all else in the game. |
| 16:27 |
Calinou |
mese and diamond swords are OP, again |
| 16:27 |
Calinou |
and diamond/mese axes/shovels are useless |
| 16:27 |
VanessaE |
OP? |
| 16:27 |
Calinou |
overpowered |
| 16:27 |
VanessaE |
oh |
| 16:27 |
Calinou |
one hit does like 8 health points :P |
| 16:28 |
jojoa1997 |
can we set homes? |
| 16:28 |
Calinou |
nope |
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[0gb_us] |
Yeah, I didn't know "OP" either. |
| 16:28 |
* [0gb_us] |
wishes people would spell out their words |
| 16:29 |
jojoa1997 |
Calinou wanna team up? |
| 16:32 |
jojoa1997 |
O.o |
| 16:32 |
Calinou |
meh, no |
| 16:32 |
Calinou |
i'm being chased by guest :P |
| 16:32 |
jojoa1997 |
ifell down to 193 and survivaed thanks to loading terrain |
| 16:33 |
jojoa1997 |
O.O |
| 16:33 |
jojoa1997 |
there is soo much diamonds here |
| 16:33 |
Calinou |
"ignore" should deal falldamage imo |
| 16:33 |
jojoa1997 |
now to think of it it is ironic |
| 16:34 |
jojoa1997 |
cause when terrain loaded i fell inot a pond |
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[0gb_us] |
Sometimes there's something to break your fall JUST below the ignore though. It wouldn't be fair to have ignore deal damage. |
| 16:34 |
jojoa1997 |
though i woul have been damaged from hitting bottom |
| 16:34 |
[0gb_us] |
I think ignore shouldn't slow your decent though. |
| 16:35 |
VanessaE |
bbl |
| 16:35 |
[0gb_us] |
Bye. |
| 16:38 |
Calinou |
lol, tried to enter pyrovision |
| 16:38 |
* Calinou |
presses P |
| 16:38 |
Calinou |
game quits |
| 16:38 |
Calinou |
is pyrovision xchat? |
| 16:38 |
Calinou |
I doubt :) |
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khonkhortisan |
I can fall down a cliff then jump on a ledge from the air |
| 16:51 |
khonkhortisan |
if the cliff was the right height, I could walk off the edge, then fall like in cartoons |
| 16:56 |
Calinou |
yea |
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ShadowNinja |
I lowered ShadowBot's message flood detection, it was pretty much the same as freenodes limits anyway, It will also activate faster, 5 messages in 15 seconds |
| 17:22 |
jojoa1997 |
but that is no fair |
| 17:22 |
jojoa1997 |
why |
| 17:22 |
jojoa1997 |
wouyld |
| 17:22 |
jojoa1997 |
yoiu do ythat |
| 17:22 |
jojoa1997 |
why' |
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| 17:23 |
jojoa1997 |
:-D |
| 17:23 |
ShadowNinja |
hmmm |
| 17:23 |
ShadowNinja |
And it won't work in annother channel |
| 17:23 |
khonkhortisan |
ShadowBot, |
| 17:24 |
khonkhortisan |
ShadowBot, you |
| 17:24 |
khonkhortisan |
ShadowBot, you should |
| 17:24 |
khonkhortisan |
ShadowBot, you should kick |
| 17:24 |
khonkhortisan |
ShadowBot, you should kick me |
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khonkhortisan was kicked by ShadowBot: message flood detected |
| 17:24 |
PilzAdam |
wtf |
| 17:24 |
PilzAdam |
ShadowNinja, turn that shit off |
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| 17:24 |
jojoa1997 |
so it kicks you if you have bad words huh |
| 17:24 |
ShadowNinja |
I fixed it |
| 17:24 |
ShadowNinja |
Not here |
| 17:24 |
jojoa1997 |
oh :/ |
| 17:25 |
ShadowNinja |
Well ten bad words in one message is a ban, but normal detection is off |
| 17:25 |
jojoa1997 |
fuck |
| 17:25 |
jojoa1997 |
fuck |
| 17:25 |
jojoa1997 |
fuck |
| 17:25 |
jojoa1997 |
fuck |
| 17:26 |
jojoa1997 |
fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck |
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jojoa1997 was kicked by MinetestBot: CHOP! |
| 17:26 |
ShadowNinja |
Nooo :-( |
| 17:26 |
ShadowNinja |
!op |
| 17:26 |
PilzAdam |
wtf |
| 17:26 |
ShadowNinja |
!deop |
| 17:26 |
PilzAdam |
that bot even gives you OP? |
| 17:26 |
ShadowNinja |
Yes |
| 17:27 |
sfan5 |
!op |
| 17:27 |
MinetestBot |
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'split' (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/chop.py", line 165, in op) |
| 17:27 |
khonkhortisan |
!op |
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| 17:27 |
khonkhortisan |
just checking... |
| 17:27 |
sfan5 |
damnit MinetestBot |
| 17:27 |
rubenwardy |
d |
| 17:27 |
jojoa1997 |
sorry i thought 10 bad words meant a kick |
| 17:27 |
* PilzAdam |
is 100% against this bots |
| 17:27 |
ShadowNinja |
Well test that somewhere elso |
| 17:27 |
jojoa1997 |
PilzAdam +1 |
| 17:28 |
rubenwardy |
sdsd |
| 17:28 |
rubenwardy |
D |
| 17:28 |
rubenwardy |
D |
| 17:28 |
rubenwardy |
D |
| 17:28 |
rubenwardy |
D |
| 17:28 |
rubenwardy |
D |
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| 17:28 |
sfan5 |
!deop |
| 17:28 |
MinetestBot |
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'split' (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/chop.py", line 177, in deop) |
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| 17:28 |
ShadowNinja |
If you want I can disable it |
| 17:28 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 17:28 |
khonkhortisan |
just don't get yourself banned |
| 17:28 |
ShadowNinja |
It was designed for LM |
| 17:28 |
khonkhortisan |
if you can't spam, there's no point :) |
| 17:28 |
ShadowNinja |
VanessaE sugested it be a ban |
| 17:28 |
PilzAdam |
just deop the bots |
| 17:29 |
ShadowNinja |
:-( |
| 17:30 |
ShadowNinja |
Should it only be a kick? |
| 17:30 |
sfan5 |
MinetestBot: reload chop.py |
| 17:30 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: chop.py: no such module! |
| 17:30 |
sfan5 |
MinetestBot: reload chop |
| 17:30 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: <module 'chop' from '/home/user/mtbot/modules/chop.py'> (version: 2013-05-01 17:31:43) |
| 17:31 |
PilzAdam |
the bots shouldnt kick or ban anyone |
| 17:31 |
sfan5 |
my bot doesn't auto-ban anyone |
| 17:31 |
ShadowNinja |
Well the point was to prevent spam |
| 17:31 |
PilzAdam |
you produce more spa, |
| 17:31 |
PilzAdam |
*spam |
| 17:31 |
ShadowNinja |
If you want I can disable it here |
| 17:31 |
sfan5 |
!op |
| 17:31 |
sfan5 |
!deop |
| 17:32 |
khonkhortisan |
!op |
| 17:32 |
khonkhortisan |
* MinetestBot ignores khonkhortisan |
| 17:32 |
sfan5 |
khonkhortisan: even if you take my nick, it matches by hostmaks |
| 17:32 |
sfan5 |
*hostmask |
| 17:32 |
khonkhortisan |
cool |
| 17:32 |
ShadowNinja |
sfan5: You should probably send the reload messages in private |
| 17:32 |
sfan5 |
ShadowNinja: yeah |
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sfan5 |
!mute testest |
| 17:33 |
sfan5 |
!unmute testtest |
| 17:33 |
sfan5 |
!unmute testest |
| 17:34 |
ShadowNinja |
Shouldn't it be a nick or host mute? |
| 17:35 |
jin_xi |
!derp |
| 17:35 |
MinetestBot |
jin_xi: command not found, maybe you wanted to try "rm -Rfv /" |
| 17:36 |
PilzAdam |
why does this bot spam so much? |
| 17:36 |
ShadowNinja |
sfan5: from a PM ^ |
| 17:36 |
ShadowNinja |
-: |
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khonkhortisan |
Can one bot kick the other for spam? |
| 17:38 |
sfan5 |
ops can't kick ops IIRC |
| 17:39 |
sfan5 |
!op sfan5 |
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MinetestBot was kicked by sfan5: MinetestBot |
| 17:39 |
* ShadowBot |
wakes up |
| 17:39 |
sfan5 |
..they can |
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ShadowNinja |
khonkhortisan: Yes, unless I give MinetestBot the nopunish capability |
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* ShadowBot |
sleeps |
| 17:39 |
sfan5 |
!deop |
| 17:39 |
ShadowNinja |
sfan5: You are thinking of halfops |
| 17:40 |
sfan5 |
yes |
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iqualfragile |
i hope that wont work |
| 17:42 |
iqualfragile |
!op iqualfragile |
| 17:42 |
ShadowNinja |
It only kicks now |
| 17:43 |
iqualfragile |
good |
| 17:43 |
ShadowNinja |
iqualfragile: Both bots match by host |
| 17:43 |
khonkhortisan |
!kick khonkhortisan |
| 17:44 |
* khonkhortisan |
was kicked by MinetestBot (#minetest) |
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* khonkhortisan |
(~kyle c-76-121-156-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #minetest |
| 17:45 |
* ShadowNinja |
has a different kick/join message |
| 17:45 |
khonkhortisan |
it works! |
| 17:45 |
khonkhortisan |
oh |
| 17:45 |
ShadowNinja |
lol |
| 17:45 |
khonkhortisan |
I did the kick differently |
| 17:45 |
khonkhortisan |
mine is actually sfan5 has kicked MinetestBot from #minetest (MinetestBot) |
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ShadowNinja |
MinetestBot was kicked from #minetest by sfan5 [MinetestBot] |
| 17:46 |
jin_xi |
fuckin bot fuckers, stop the fucking spam already if you wanna stop spam |
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| 17:46 |
khonkhortisan |
chop? |
| 17:47 |
sfan5 |
that kick msg was suggested by rubenwardy |
| 17:47 |
[0gb_us] |
Reaper chop? |
| 17:47 |
ShadowNinja |
Short, mine is something like three sentences ;-) |
| 17:47 |
sfan5 |
no,no |
| 17:47 |
rubenwardy |
hmm |
| 17:47 |
khonkhortisan |
Mine says "MinetestBot has kicked jin_xi from #minetest (CHOP!)" and yours says "jin_xi was kicked from #minetest by MinetestBot (CHOP!)" |
| 17:47 |
ShadowNinja |
no, [CHOP!] |
| 17:47 |
khonkhortisan |
o |
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Topic for #minetest is now NEWS: Minetest 0.4.6 released | RULES: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels | HOME: http://minetest.net | CORE DEVS: #minetest-dev | STATUS: http://servers.minetest.net/ | IRC LOGS: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ |
| 17:53 |
sfan5 |
now we can do anything loggingbot is not ..... wait |
| 17:53 |
rubenwardy |
what happened? |
| 17:53 |
sfan5 |
netsplit |
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| 17:53 |
rubenwardy |
? |
| 17:54 |
khonkhortisan |
http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-05-01#i_3063235 |
| 17:54 |
rubenwardy |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit |
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ShadowNinja |
sfan5: I have already implemented mass hilight protection btw |
| 18:02 |
thexyz |
wait, wtf is happening |
| 18:03 |
thexyz |
sex sex sex sex sex |
| 18:03 |
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thexyz was kicked by MinetestBot: CHOP! |
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MinetestBot was kicked by thexyz: CHOPCHOPCHOP |
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* ShadowBot |
wakes up |
| 18:06 |
thexyz |
go fix the damn thing |
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| 18:06 |
khonkhortisan |
I think I can say a 4x4 table of a swear word, and avoid both the swearing kick and the spamming kick |
| 18:07 |
thexyz |
seriously, what the fuck |
| 18:07 |
thexyz |
disable that shit |
| 18:07 |
Jordach |
yeah |
| 18:08 |
Jordach |
no bots allowed as op |
| 18:08 |
thexyz |
that too |
| 18:08 |
thexyz |
but it seems I lost that argument |
| 18:08 |
ShadowNinja |
thexyz: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-04-28#i_3056934 It doesn't do anyting about only a few ones |
| 18:08 |
Jordach |
of i hacked it; i can do damage |
| 18:08 |
Jordach |
if* |
| 18:09 |
PilzAdam |
thexyz, just kick all bots |
| 18:09 |
PilzAdam |
they just spam |
| 18:09 |
PilzAdam |
and are annyoing |
| 18:10 |
Jordach |
http://i.imgur.com/ACftVQh.png |
| 18:10 |
Jordach |
the new name topic has a ton of posts |
| 18:10 |
thexyz |
*views |
| 18:10 |
khonkhortisan |
I can't click the link in the image |
| 18:10 |
PilzAdam |
khonkhortisan, oh no! |
| 18:10 |
PilzAdam |
your computer is broken! |
| 18:10 |
PilzAdam |
throw it away! |
| 18:11 |
thexyz |
ShadowNinja: doesn't ShadowBot kick users who send too many messages? |
| 18:11 |
khonkhortisan |
"If I do a search, will I lose the other tabs?" |
| 18:11 |
thexyz |
> Another one of the bad ideas the lead devs have. |
| 18:11 |
ShadowNinja |
thexyz: yes, five in ten seconds, although that can be disabled if you want |
| 18:12 |
khonkhortisan |
There's someone that's using the drop-down menu on the url bar as the history, and refuses to be shown where the long history is |
| 18:12 |
thexyz |
didn't you know? all bad ideas come from the devs |
| 18:12 |
Jordach |
that is like me asking if the engine is closed source |
| 18:12 |
thexyz |
ShadowNinja: that seems more reasonable |
| 18:12 |
khonkhortisan |
I thought you said 15 seconds |
| 18:12 |
Jordach |
thexyz, yeah |
| 18:12 |
Jordach |
did you see me and c55 talking about 0.3.x |
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| 18:14 |
Jordach |
hey hmmmm |
| 18:14 |
Jordach |
you deserved that netsplit |
| 18:14 |
khonkhortisan |
Is it worth getting kicked if I spam what loggingbot missed? |
| 18:14 |
Jordach |
probably not |
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ShadowNinja |
khonkhortisan: You can do it slowly, as it stands it is just a little faster and barely lower than freenodes flood limits. |
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* ShadowBot |
sleeps |
| 18:17 |
sfan5 |
!badword disable |
| 18:17 |
MinetestBot |
done. |
| 18:17 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: you could also just disable it yourself |
| 18:18 |
sfan5 |
!deop |
| 18:18 |
Jordach |
sfan5, thats just lazy |
| 18:18 |
sfan5 |
<thexyz> go fix the damn thing |
| 18:18 |
Jordach |
you could have used /deop sfan5 |
| 18:18 |
sfan5 |
what is wrong? |
| 18:18 |
Jordach |
(or whatever the cmd is) |
| 18:19 |
Jordach |
thank fuck we got rid of the swearing filter. |
| 18:19 |
PilzAdam |
sfan5, MinetestBot spams more than anyone else |
| 18:19 |
Jordach |
this laptop is better on internet than my tower pc \o/ |
| 18:20 |
sfan5 |
PilzAdam: what type of spam? |
| 18:20 |
Jordach |
!server |
| 18:20 |
MinetestBot |
UnboundLocalError: local variable 'cfuncs' referenced before assignment (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/server.py", line 221, in server) |
| 18:20 |
Jordach |
!tw |
| 18:20 |
MinetestBot |
Jordach: Give me a link, a username, or a tweet id |
| 18:20 |
PilzAdam |
that ^ |
| 18:20 |
Jordach |
see |
| 18:20 |
Jordach |
MinetestBot just breaks too often# |
| 18:20 |
Jordach |
-# |
| 18:20 |
Jordach |
and its got a whole array of useless shit |
| 18:21 |
Jordach |
!tw @jeb_ |
| 18:21 |
MinetestBot |
Jordach: Give me a link, a username, or a tweet id |
| 18:21 |
Jordach |
!tw jeb_ |
| 18:21 |
MinetestBot |
Our appearance in TIME made Norwegian news: http://p3.no/filmpolitiet/2013/04/de-som-beveger-verden/ Always funny when they think Minecraft "reminds of the 80's," though :P (@jeb_) |
| 18:21 |
Jordach |
^ thats the worst# |
| 18:21 |
sfan5 |
if you use your microwave to burn down someones house, its not the microwave's fault |
| 18:21 |
Jordach |
bots will never replace human ops |
| 18:21 |
Jordach |
because they cant reason |
| 18:21 |
sfan5 |
like that, if you use an irc bot for spamming its not the bots fault |
| 18:22 |
Jordach |
uhm yes |
| 18:22 |
Jordach |
a nick is a entity |
| 18:22 |
ShadowNinja |
sfan5: does yours auto-ignore after too many commands? |
| 18:22 |
Jordach |
no one knows what we look like behind the text |
| 18:22 |
sfan5 |
ShadowNinja: i disabled that feature because it lead to confusion |
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| 18:23 |
PilzAdam |
the only useful function of the bot is the !up command, but people tend to abuse it |
| 18:23 |
Jordach |
like markveidamanis |
| 18:23 |
PilzAdam |
so, the whole thing is useless |
| 18:23 |
Jordach |
i could !server |
| 18:23 |
ShadowNinja |
I would agree that bots won't replace ops, but they can be a help. |
| 18:23 |
Jordach |
!server |
| 18:23 |
MinetestBot |
UnboundLocalError: local variable 'cfuncs' referenced before assignment (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/server.py", line 221, in server) |
| 18:23 |
sfan5 |
Jordach: markveidemanis is auto ignored |
| 18:23 |
Jordach |
sfan5, alt nicks |
| 18:24 |
Jordach |
and anyways |
| 18:24 |
Jordach |
if a spammer does come along |
| 18:24 |
Jordach |
im pretty sure some auto script can kick someone for using more than 40 lines a time |
| 18:24 |
Jordach |
eg, lm |
| 18:24 |
Jordach |
(unless they use one liners.) |
| 18:24 |
sfan5 |
40 lines, that limit is a bit high |
| 18:24 |
sfan5 |
!server |
| 18:24 |
MinetestBot |
UnboundLocalError: local variable 'cargs' referenced before assignment (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/server.py", line 223, in server) |
| 18:25 |
sfan5 |
damnit |
| 18:25 |
ShadowNinja |
sfan5: how about you use a testing channel, like #botwar |
| 18:25 |
[0gb_us] |
Bots can't reason? Well, maybe not now, but one day, maybe. |
| 18:26 |
Jordach |
[0gb_us], what is this? terminator 2? |
| 18:26 |
khonkhortisan |
I couldn't convince a bot it wasn't human |
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| 18:26 |
Jordach |
because it knows its a bot |
| 18:27 |
[0gb_us] |
No. I don't watch movies. But someone said bots will never replace human operators because they can't reason. I think "never" and "currently can't reason" sort of don't work together. |
| 18:27 |
sfan5 |
!server |
| 18:27 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: Spanish Server | 198.211.125.161 | Clients: 1/50 | Version: 0.4.6 minetest | ping: 0.120 |
| 18:27 |
khonkhortisan |
people will never use git because it isn't pre-installed |
| 18:28 |
[0gb_us] |
I hate git, and it isn't preinstalled for my system. I use it anyway. |
| 18:29 |
[0gb_us] |
It's overly complicated. It gets easier to use as you get used to it, but that doesn't fix the issue that it's overly complicated. |
| 18:29 |
Exio |
i don't like or like git, but it makes stuff easier than doing it by hand |
| 18:29 |
Jordach |
[0gb_us], they made a nice windows git clien |
| 18:29 |
Jordach |
client* |
| 18:30 |
[0gb_us] |
Windows is insecure. Using it is not advisable. |
| 18:30 |
kaeza |
lol not this crap again |
| 18:30 |
Jordach |
bullshit, nmines secure as fuck |
| 18:30 |
Jordach |
-n |
| 18:30 |
Jordach |
i have two routers |
| 18:30 |
[0gb_us] |
Windows being secure is not possible. |
| 18:31 |
[0gb_us] |
If you have routers, that's not Windows itself being secure. |
| 18:31 |
kaeza |
[0gb_us], [citation needed] |
| 18:31 |
kaeza |
(or actually [experience needed]) |
| 18:31 |
[0gb_us] |
Assuming the routers are even helping, which may or may not be the case. |
| 18:32 |
[0gb_us] |
Do your research. Windows is insecure as heck. |
| 18:32 |
kaeza |
[0gb_us], would you mind actually testing for yourself before mindlessly bashing against Windows? |
| 18:32 |
Jordach |
[0gb_us], windows' security has improved since vista |
| 18:32 |
Jordach |
and guess what the major cause of security issues is |
| 18:32 |
Jordach |
THE USER |
| 18:32 |
kaeza |
^ |
| 18:32 |
Jordach |
they just click yes to everything |
| 18:32 |
Jordach |
because they dont read |
| 18:32 |
Jordach |
they expect no harm when UAC is blaring in their FACE |
| 18:33 |
[0gb_us] |
Yet the user isn't so insecure on other systems. Meaning it is the system to blame, or at least the system could have prevented it. |
| 18:33 |
[0gb_us] |
Either way, Windows is insecure. |
| 18:33 |
kaeza |
lol |
| 18:33 |
Jordach |
[0gb_us], just because the user is the problem, doesnt mean the system shouldnt have to be proactive all the time |
| 18:33 |
Jordach |
the system must warn the user if system files are being changed. |
| 18:34 |
Jordach |
(which UAC does already) |
| 18:34 |
[0gb_us] |
However, when there are systems that easily protect all the time, how can you say that a system that doesn't is a good system? |
| 18:34 |
Jordach |
no security is the best security |
| 18:35 |
Jordach |
windows nhas basic OS Protection |
| 18:35 |
[0gb_us] |
Also, if you don't want to talk security, Windows is unbelievably bloated, and takes up a lot of system resources. |
| 18:35 |
Jordach |
it doesnt mean it stops everything |
| 18:35 |
Jordach |
[0gb_us], BULL |
| 18:35 |
Jordach |
vista runs bettr than xp for me |
| 18:35 |
[0gb_us] |
And when I run Windows, it likes to crash on me a lot. On a CLEAN install of Windows. |
| 18:35 |
Jordach |
[0gb_us], your hardware must be old |
| 18:35 |
Exio |
[0gb_us]: linux can be insecure with idiot users, want an example? look at 80% of the ubuntu user base |
| 18:36 |
Jordach |
zing |
| 18:36 |
kaeza |
^ |
| 18:36 |
[0gb_us] |
As insecure as Windows? I highly doubt that. |
| 18:36 |
Exio |
random users what have no idea what they are doing and if they read "rm -rf / makes your system faster zomg!" they will do that |
| 18:36 |
[0gb_us] |
Any system can be messed up in some way. |
| 18:36 |
Jordach |
yes |
| 18:36 |
Exio |
if it says 'this is a joke' in red, they will not read it |
| 18:36 |
Exio |
because it was AFTER the command |
| 18:36 |
Jordach |
Linux is not better than windows |
| 18:37 |
Exio |
linux is better because opensourceness |
| 18:37 |
Jordach |
in any form of security |
| 18:37 |
Jordach |
** |
| 18:37 |
[0gb_us] |
EVERYTHING is better than Windows. Linux is no exception. |
| 18:37 |
kaeza |
lol |
| 18:37 |
khonkhortisan |
single-character line endings are better |
| 18:37 |
Exio |
linux lacks some stuff |
| 18:37 |
[0gb_us] |
OS X, DOS, BSD, ... all better. |
| 18:37 |
Exio |
like the lastest and supercool(tm) shitty FPS |
| 18:37 |
Jordach |
[0gb_us], you know why windows won the OS war? it WORKED ON ALL THE HARDWARE. |
| 18:37 |
khonkhortisan |
even dos? |
| 18:37 |
[0gb_us] |
I don't kbnow on Amega. It might be worse, I don't know enough to make that call. |
| 18:38 |
Jordach |
because x86 is the only decent cpu architecture |
| 18:38 |
[0gb_us] |
Yes, even DOS. |
| 18:38 |
Jordach |
(during the 90s) |
| 18:38 |
Jordach |
DOS == Windows 9x |
| 18:38 |
Exio |
Jordach: it won because monopoly - and because that is how the capitalism works |
| 18:38 |
[0gb_us] |
No. DOS is not WIndows. |
| 18:38 |
Exio |
"the one with the shitty stuff, and the most clear shit in the hand, wins!" |
| 18:38 |
Jordach |
[0gb_us], windows 1-3.x |
| 18:38 |
[0gb_us] |
Windows doesn't even run on top of DOS these days. |
| 18:38 |
Jordach |
95 still used dos |
| 18:38 |
Exio |
til ME |
| 18:38 |
Jordach |
[0gb_us], true |
| 18:39 |
Jordach |
yeah |
| 18:39 |
Exio |
windows is k |
| 18:39 |
[0gb_us] |
Old Windows, before Windows was an operating system, ran on DOS, yes. |
| 18:39 |
Exio |
not good |
| 18:39 |
Exio |
now windows uses nt |
| 18:39 |
Jordach |
[0gb_us], you called the monolithic win systems better than NT based |
| 18:39 |
Exio |
both of them sucks anyway - so lol |
| 18:39 |
Exio |
windows is ok |
| 18:39 |
Exio |
but microsoft does shitty stuff as "marketing" |
| 18:40 |
Jordach |
because i cant find any decent software that runs perfectly on linux |
| 18:40 |
Exio |
what software? |
| 18:40 |
Exio |
it runs better than perfect for me |
| 18:40 |
Jordach |
basic crap |
| 18:40 |
[0gb_us] |
I am saying Windows the opweating system, not the thing that used to ba called Windows but wasn't yet an operating system. |
| 18:40 |
PilzAdam |
Jordach, strange, I have that feeling in windows |
| 18:40 |
Jordach |
hurr durr |
| 18:40 |
Exio |
PilzAdam: exactly |
| 18:41 |
Jordach |
oh whats 90 of the minetest player base? |
| 18:41 |
rubenwardy |
[0gb_us] is very bias |
| 18:41 |
Jordach |
90%* |
| 18:41 |
Jordach |
WINDOWS. |
| 18:41 |
[0gb_us] |
Windows doesn't even let me select partial words in most applications. Windows applications are the buggy ones. |
| 18:41 |
Exio |
Jordach: do you know what happened in all the history i read |
| 18:41 |
Jordach |
Minetest would be nothing without it |
| 18:41 |
[0gb_us] |
rubenwardy: I am very bias. I know that. That doesn't make me wrong. |
| 18:41 |
Jordach |
same for MC actually., |
| 18:41 |
Jordach |
-, |
| 18:42 |
rubenwardy |
But it makes you exaggerated |
| 18:42 |
Exio |
ragequit |
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| 18:43 |
[0gb_us] |
I do exaggerate, to get my point across. When I don't exaggerate, people have a tenancy to ignore me. |
| 18:43 |
Jordach |
Exio, laptop wireless |
| 18:44 |
Jordach |
its horrible |
| 18:44 |
Exio |
Jordach: the wireless works in my linux box |
| 18:44 |
Exio |
</shittyargument> |
| 18:44 |
Jordach |
Exio, the wireless router is a cheapy ISP one |
| 18:44 |
[0gb_us] |
Jordach: My Xubuntu laptop gets great wireless. |
| 18:44 |
Jordach |
and this house is bad with tech (it breaks often( |
| 18:45 |
Jordach |
[0gb_us], most wireless chips use the same channels |
| 18:45 |
[0gb_us] |
So they configured it specifically for WIndows, maybe. Targetting Windows doesn't magically make it better. |
| 18:45 |
Jordach |
thats why it probably works fine |
| 18:45 |
* Jordach |
turns to AMD and nVidia |
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| 18:45 |
Jordach |
[0gb_us], ^ |
| 18:45 |
Exio |
amd cpu - nvidia gpu here |
| 18:45 |
[0gb_us] |
I'm on AMD, and I do just fine. |
| 18:46 |
Exio |
in a linux box, working more than perfectly |
| 18:46 |
Exio |
as windows is a piece of shit with the bulldozer arch |
| 18:46 |
Jordach |
Exio, good luck with your 32bit timestamp |
| 18:46 |
Exio |
gen* or w/e |
| 18:46 |
Exio |
Jordach: timestamp? |
| 18:46 |
Jordach |
2048 is your doom |
| 18:46 |
Exio |
wat |
| 18:47 |
ShadowNinja |
Unix time is stored in a 32 bit integer |
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| 18:47 |
ShadowNinja |
It is close to running out |
| 18:47 |
[0gb_us] |
I hear there are plans for a new timestamp format. |
| 18:47 |
Kray |
all modern systems use 64 bit integer |
| 18:47 |
Kray |
so no |
| 18:48 |
[0gb_us] |
I think the current OFFICIAL format is 32 bit, but in practice, systems use 64 bit, kray. |
| 18:48 |
Kray |
what "official" |
| 18:48 |
Exio |
posix? |
| 18:48 |
Kray |
and it is not a format |
| 18:48 |
[0gb_us] |
THe UNIX timestamp specification. |
| 18:49 |
Exio |
ah, the y2k unix |
| 18:49 |
Jordach |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem |
| 18:49 |
Exio |
i'm a bit slow with dat stuff |
| 18:49 |
[0gb_us] |
Okay, format was the wrong word. |
| 18:49 |
Jordach |
youre buggered |
| 18:49 |
Jordach |
windows isnt |
| 18:49 |
Exio |
Jordach: the last time i tried using a >2038 date in my laptop (x86) didn't work |
| 18:49 |
[0gb_us] |
But the point is, Jordach's point is is valid in theory, but not in practice. |
| 18:50 |
Exio |
suddenly |
| 18:50 |
Exio |
here, x86_64/amd64/64bits |
| 18:50 |
Jordach |
unix timestamp breaks |
| 18:50 |
Exio |
works :o |
| 18:50 |
Jordach |
Exio, embedded unix systems == air traffic control systems |
| 18:50 |
Kray |
no standard or specification requires that time_t is 32-bit |
| 18:50 |
Jordach |
everything is fucked :) |
| 18:51 |
Kray |
it is implementation specific |
| 18:51 |
Kray |
and even some would, it doesn't matter |
| 18:51 |
Kray |
all modern systems use 64 bit values |
| 18:51 |
* [0gb_us] |
just scrolled to the year 2267, with no glitches |
| 18:51 |
Jordach |
windows doesnt use that type of time stamp |
| 18:51 |
[0gb_us] |
^ Jordach |
| 18:51 |
Jordach |
[0gb_us], again, not everyone is 64bit |
| 18:52 |
Kray |
Jordach: it system architechture doesn't matter |
| 18:52 |
[0gb_us] |
I could go further, but I have better things to do than scroll through a calendar. |
| 18:52 |
Jordach |
everyone still makes 32bit default |
| 18:52 |
kaeza |
<[0gb_us]> I do exaggerate, to get my point across. When I don't exaggerate, people have a tenancy to ignore me. <-- exaggeration == lies |
| 18:52 |
Kray |
Jordach: all modern systems, including those running on 32-bit x86, use 64-bit time_t |
| 18:52 |
[0gb_us] |
People do ignore me when I don't exaggerate a little. Not a lie. |
| 18:52 |
Kray |
it is not in any way bound to hardware architechture |
| 18:52 |
Jordach |
[0gb_us], i used ubuntu and windows before |
| 18:53 |
[0gb_us] |
Also, I bet 32 bit Windows has a timestamp issue as well .... |
| 18:53 |
Exio |
two windows(es) |
| 18:53 |
Jordach |
at least it isnt y2k |
| 18:53 |
Jordach |
[0gb_us], nope. windows has 100 yeqrs |
| 18:53 |
Jordach |
years |
| 18:53 |
Jordach |
which you then move the starting year up |
| 18:53 |
kaeza |
[0gb_us], http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exaggeration |
| 18:53 |
Jordach |
(starts on 1970) |
| 18:54 |
[0gb_us] |
I know what exaggeration is. |
| 18:54 |
Jordach |
which then you move up to 2010 to use 2110 |
| 18:54 |
[0gb_us] |
Jordach: I don't see your point. Our time issue isn't synced with the Windows time issue. So? |
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Jordach |
http://i.imgur.com/GswY6Lj.png |
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[0gb_us] |
Jordach: I don't see your point. Our time issue isn't synced with the Windows time issue. So? |
| 18:55 |
Jordach |
i just saw my lag count :) |
| 18:55 |
Jordach |
OK |
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Exio |
i'll leave this pc for 292,277,026,296 years - then it will die |
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[0gb_us] |
WHat's with the screen shot? THe lag count then? |
| 18:56 |
Exio |
Jordach: [15:53:05] <Exio> two windows(es) |
| 18:56 |
Exio |
for you, ubuntu and windows |
| 18:56 |
Jordach |
anyone up for 2.92277026296 * 10^11 |
| 18:56 |
Jordach |
standard form ftw |
| 18:56 |
Jordach |
anyways, im going home in a bit |
| 18:56 |
Jordach |
later |
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rubenwardy |
Minetest reliable sources search: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BbcG5Zg2bFOMTW_3EgFeIGKqvcA-Lhp-mGdDOaiQKP4/edit?usp=sharing |
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Calinou_ |
getminecraftforfree.org |
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Calinou_ |
loool |
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Calinou_ |
anyway, why make something else for sources? |
| 19:08 |
Calinou_ |
wikipedia was alwas directed by #debian operators |
| 19:08 |
StrayBytes |
Hello, why was my "goodbye" topic deleted? It had sparked a useful conversation, so the only explanation I see is that the devs/forum admins do not want something to be shown. Naturally this is quite suspicious. |
| 19:09 |
Calinou_ |
StrayBytes, first: this isn't censorshop |
| 19:09 |
Calinou_ |
censorship* |
| 19:09 |
StrayBytes |
What did happen, then? |
| 19:09 |
rubenwardy |
#debian operators? |
| 19:09 |
StrayBytes |
There was a good on-topic coversation in the bottom of the first and second page. |
| 19:09 |
rubenwardy |
do you mean forge sources? |
| 19:09 |
Calinou_ |
rubenwardy, go figure :> |
| 19:09 |
Calinou_ |
StrayBytes, on topic? again debating on "hey, minetest is a ripoff, let's add more obsidian types" |
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StrayBytes |
It just seems moderately suspicious, but I'm naturally suspicious of all of this. |
| 19:10 |
Menche |
what was the reason for deleting? |
| 19:10 |
StrayBytes |
And what you mention deserves closing, not deleting. |
| 19:10 |
Menche |
would say that doesn't even need closing |
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StrayBytes |
Closing at most. |
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Calinou_ |
what's the point in keeping a closed "goodbye" topic? so that people can look at another pointless debate? |
| 19:12 |
StrayBytes |
I don't think the "this is another ripoff or not" thread is really a good excuse. |
| 19:12 |
Menche |
what's the point of closing it at all? |
| 19:12 |
markveidemanis |
Anyone want to give the missile mod a shot? |
| 19:12 |
Calinou_ |
development is NOT democratic, remember that |
| 19:12 |
StrayBytes |
It evoked a bit of duscussion once again on how we are unable to work smoothly. |
| 19:12 |
StrayBytes |
It is not democratic, but it is also not elitist. |
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StrayBytes |
What's next? It's renamed BACK to communisticraft for good? |
| 19:13 |
Calinou_ |
I don't see any elitism in the current system of development; there are core devs and it's fine this way |
| 19:13 |
Calinou_ |
no, a rename is unlikely, see what c-fifty-five replied |
| 19:14 |
StrayBytes |
I'm naturally paranoid when I see a topic that is mildly controversial but not deletion-worthy deleted. |
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[0gb_us] |
I would be suspicious as well. |
| 19:15 |
Calinou_ |
suspicious about what? |
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| 19:16 |
Menche |
i do think mods tend to be a bit too quick to close threads |
| 19:16 |
StrayBytes |
Calinou_: The deletion in question. |
| 19:16 |
Calinou_ |
well, go to the minecraft forums, you'll see 8) |
| 19:17 |
[0gb_us] |
Someone deleted jordan's harmless topic about robots too. |
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jin_xi |
well, idk what to make of all this but one thing is for sure: stop making "i'm leaving", "goodbye" and such topics... |
| 19:17 |
Menche |
there's been quite a few of those lately |
| 19:18 |
kahrl_ |
maybe all the thread could have been merged? |
| 19:18 |
jin_xi |
yes, others left quietly |
| 19:18 |
kahrl_ |
threads |
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[0gb_us] |
Don't worry, when I leave, I will make no such topic. |
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kahrl_ |
although that could have been confusing |
| 19:18 |
jin_xi |
its preferable, but still bad |
| 19:18 |
Calinou_ |
[0gb_us], which one? about robots? I don't remember any |
| 19:18 |
StrayBytes |
I understand a "goodbye, haha" topic being deleted, but not one that has evoked a bit of useful discussion. Just delete the useLESS replies. |
| 19:19 |
jin_xi |
its hard to do this stuff right... |
| 19:19 |
[0gb_us] |
Jordan posted in "problems and issues" (or whatever the category is called) that Minetest has no robots. |
| 19:19 |
Calinou_ |
"I am quitting Minetest. I'm fed up with this minetest-dev drama. Take this into consideration (or don't, I don't care)." |
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Calinou_ |
well, you just said minetest-dev is "drama" and nothing else |
| 19:21 |
Calinou_ |
[0gb_us], not me IIRC, but that sounds like a troll |
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[0gb_us] |
You? I said JORDAN, not you. |
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Calinou_ |
not me as in, "I didn't delete it" |
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Calinou_ |
;) |
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[0gb_us] |
OH! Got it. |
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[0gb_us] |
It was spam. And yes, Jordan is a troll. But he's harmless, and that topic was actually funny. |
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Calinou_ |
this isn't a forum about fun, post on /r/funny instead |
| 19:24 |
jin_xi |
well, harmless... he's started delete-editing his topics |
| 19:24 |
[0gb_us] |
So it should have been moved to off topic, not deleted. |
| 19:25 |
[0gb_us] |
Well, that topic was harmless anyway. |
| 19:25 |
Menche |
why not leave it alone? it would just get buried by more useful stuff as people ignore it |
| 19:25 |
rubenwardy |
bye all |
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[0gb_us] |
People were not ignoring it. THey were responding, thinking he really though the no robots thing was a problem. |
| 19:26 |
[0gb_us] |
Bye. |
| 19:26 |
[0gb_us] |
*thought |
| 19:26 |
Menche |
anyway, i don't think that topic was really hurting anything |
| 19:26 |
[0gb_us] |
Exactly! |
| 19:26 |
[0gb_us] |
It didn't need to be deleted. |
| 19:27 |
Menche |
don't think a topic should be closed unless people are actually trying to insult others, and then, just the bad part could be deleted |
| 19:27 |
[0gb_us] |
Me neither. |
| 19:27 |
Calinou_ |
again: this is a minetest forum, not a general purpose one |
| 19:27 |
Telek |
Wouldn't a better solution be to lock it and give a reason why at the bottom? |
| 19:27 |
[0gb_us] |
But then again, not my forum, not my rules. |
| 19:28 |
Menche |
i think some topics have been closed just because some mod thought someone *might* be offended by it later on |
| 19:28 |
markveidemanis |
What does the construct mod do? |
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Calinou_ |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=87656#p87656 |
| 19:29 |
Calinou_ |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5173 |
| 19:29 |
Calinou_ |
two drama topics for you :P |
| 19:30 |
Menche |
drama? they don't seem *that* heated |
| 19:30 |
Menche |
so it's a discussion where different people have opposing ideas |
| 19:30 |
Menche |
they're not hurling insults |
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Calinou_ |
well, feel free to talk around in these topics, but it would probably have little influence on the core devs |
| 19:32 |
Menche |
but i don't think they should be closed or deleted |
| 19:32 |
Exio |
i think they are useless |
| 19:32 |
Calinou_ |
just avoid creating "I'm leaving" topics; noone cares, instead edit your signature to do that |
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Calinou_ |
thexyz, what do you think about adding a "game" part to your dev wiki, then tweaking http://wiki.minetest.net so that it redirects to http://dev.minetest.net? this way we can host everything, it'd be MUCH better in the long run. |
| 19:39 |
Calinou_ |
("Game/" namespace?) |
| 19:39 |
Calinou_ |
the whole .com thing is a bit sloppy |
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| 19:39 |
Calinou_ |
it's not hosted by us and feels inconsistent |
| 19:39 |
Calinou_ |
migrating could be done quickly, both sites use mediawiki |
| 19:42 |
MinetestBot |
c55.me:30000 seems to be down |
| 19:43 |
Menche |
there's no minetest server there |
| 19:43 |
Calinou_ |
!up c55.me:30001 |
| 19:43 |
MinetestBot |
Calinou_: Note: Syntax changed please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337' |
| 19:43 |
Calinou_ |
!up c55.me 30001 |
| 19:43 |
MinetestBot |
c55.me:30001 seems to be down |
| 19:43 |
Calinou_ |
there used to be a server there :P |
| 19:43 |
Calinou_ |
back in 0.4.2-rc1 days |
| 19:43 |
Menche |
you mean after c55 shut it down after getting fed up with griefing? |
| 19:44 |
Menche |
that test was on minetest.ru i think |
| 19:46 |
Menche |
did anything come of that? |
| 19:46 |
Menche |
!up minetest.ru 30001 |
| 19:46 |
MinetestBot |
minetest.ru:30001 seems to be down |
| 19:48 |
Calinou_ |
!server sky |
| 19:48 |
MinetestBot |
Calinou_: WazuClan.com | wazuclan.com | Clients: 10/32 | Version: 0.4.6 minetest | ping: 0.226 |
| 19:48 |
Calinou_ |
!server Sky hardcore |
| 19:48 |
MinetestBot |
Calinou_: WazuClan.com | wazuclan.com | Clients: 10/32 | Version: 0.4.6 minetest | ping: 0.226 |
| 19:48 |
Calinou_ |
hmm |
| 19:48 |
sfan5 |
!server name:sky |
| 19:48 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: No results |
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sfan5 |
!server name:hardcore |
| 19:48 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: No results |
| 19:49 |
Calinou_ |
!server name:Sky hardcore |
| 19:49 |
MinetestBot |
Calinou_: No results |
| 19:49 |
Calinou_ |
http://servers.minetest.net/ <= well, it's here |
| 19:49 |
sfan5 |
Calinou_: !server is a bit broken right now |
| 19:49 |
Calinou_ |
I've griefed Guest9770's buildings, I removed 400+ ladders, and best of all: I enclosed their chests in my own locked chests >:D |
| 19:49 |
Calinou_ |
also I got mese and diamond |
| 19:49 |
Calinou_ |
tons of wood + apples |
| 19:50 |
Calinou_ |
they can't open their chests now :P |
| 19:50 |
Calinou_ |
well, it's hard if you're not lagging |
| 19:50 |
Calinou_ |
he wasn't here, so I took my time |
| 19:50 |
Calinou_ |
max amount of players at same time since server was started |
| 19:50 |
sfan5 |
john_minetest: ^ |
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ShadowNinja |
sfan5: ,,(server --name sky) |
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ShadowBot |
ShadowNinja: Sky hardcore | 80.240.216.69:30010 | Clients: 2/6 | Version: 0.4.6 | ping: 0.158 |
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sfan5 |
Calinou_: nice, i stole guest9770 iron and tried to fight him but failed.. |
| 19:51 |
Calinou_ |
he has mese sword |
| 19:51 |
Calinou_ |
but I have one too :P and 40 apples |
| 19:51 |
Calinou_ |
he seems to be quite clever, he tried to enclose me with blocks once |
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| 19:51 |
Calinou_ |
he built a nice desert sand + glass building... which I griefed :3 |
| 19:52 |
Calinou_ |
you need to register an account there, all that |
| 19:52 |
Calinou_ |
too complicated to bother 8) |
| 19:53 |
RealBadAngel |
whos Guest9770? |
| 19:55 |
RealBadAngel |
john_minetest, switch language then (at the top, to the right) |
| 19:55 |
Calinou_ |
if you put no nickname, your name is Guest**** :P |
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sfan5 |
!server hardcore |
| 19:56 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: Sky hardcore | 80.240.216.69:30010 | Clients: 2/100 | Version: 0.4.6 hardcore | ping: 0.153 |
| 19:56 |
Menche |
still can't decide on a nickname? |
| 19:56 |
sfan5 |
!server ping:least |
| 19:56 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: Minetestâ¤Ru | minetest.ru | Clients: 0/100 | Version: 0.4.5 | ping: 0.097 |
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us_0gb |
Client errors. |
| 19:57 |
sfan5 |
!server ping:most |
| 19:57 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: 0gb.us's simple server | 0gb.us | Clients: 1/100 | Version: 0.4.6 0gb.us | ping: 0.284 |
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khonkhortisan |
[0gb_us] has left #minetest |
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us_0gb |
I get this error: |
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us_0gb |
Nick or channel is temporarily unavailable. |
| 19:59 |
us_0gb |
[0gb_us] |
| 19:59 |
us_0gb |
I don't know why, but it looks like I can't use that name for now. |
| 20:00 |
* us_0gb |
pulls out backup name |
| 20:00 |
Calinou_ |
if you enforce name protection and you are renamed, it'll be protected for a few minutes |
| 20:00 |
Calinou_ |
I'm named Calinou_ for a reason :P |
| 20:01 |
us_0gb |
Why was I renamed though? |
| 20:01 |
* us_0gb |
shakes head |
| 20:03 |
us_0gb |
Meh. I think I'll use my other name, if I can't be 0gb.us or [0gb_us] |
| 20:04 |
ShadowNinja |
:-( I set umode +R because of spammers and now my server can't message me |
| 20:05 |
RealBadAngle|361 |
Register your server's name. |
| 20:05 |
RealBadAngle|361 |
registered my server's name. |
| 20:05 |
RealBadAngle|361 |
*I |
| 20:06 |
ShadowNinja |
Yes, I will have to do that, that make three accounts, or I could group it |
| 20:07 |
Calinou |
add an antispam to your bot :P |
| 20:07 |
RealBadAngle|361 |
Crossover from the Ubuntu Software Center is failing to install. I think it's a sign. |
| 20:07 |
Calinou |
ban-forward them to #redeclipse, every 30 seconds, your bot types "~obit <banned_guy>" in #redeclipse |
| 20:07 |
Calinou |
RealBadAngel, crossover? pfft |
| 20:07 |
sfan5 |
Calinou: lol |
| 20:08 |
Calinou |
wine runs trackmania fine here, don't need more 8) |
| 20:08 |
MinetestBot |
vanessae.mine.bz:30000 is up (0.400ms) |
| 20:08 |
RealBadAngle|361 |
I'm Angle, not Angel. |
| 20:08 |
Shadow-Server |
*****@***.*** has too many accounts registered. |
| 20:08 |
Calinou |
RealBadAngle|361 is 0gb.us... |
| 20:08 |
Calinou |
the angle is a spy! |
| 20:09 |
RealBadAngle|361 |
I'm'a see if my name is back from whatever lockdown it was in. |
| 20:09 |
RealBadAngle|361 |
Nope. [0gb_us] is still unavailable. |
| 20:11 |
ShadowNinja |
RealBadAngle|361: /msg nickserv release |
| 20:11 |
RealBadAngle|361 |
Calinou: Crossover and PlayOnLinux keep applications running in separate containers, unlike vanilla Wine. I don't often need any of the three, but I just installed my operating system, so I'm installing it for when I need it in the future. |
| 20:12 |
RealBadAngle|361 |
Release? Doesn't that unregister? |
| 20:12 |
RealBadAngle|361 |
ShadowNinja: ^ |
| 20:12 |
ShadowNinja |
No, it releases a services enforcer, you are thinking of drop |
| 20:12 |
kahrl_ |
looks like guest9770 left |
| 20:12 |
khonkhortisan |
hi RBA |
| 20:13 |
RealBadAngle|361 |
Then I still have a name I don't want. |
| 20:14 |
Calinou |
wineprefixes can run them in separate environmentzs |
| 20:14 |
khonkhortisan |
octorobot-spy |
| 20:14 |
RealBadAngle|361 |
Nope, it's gone. |
| 20:14 |
Calinou |
-z |
| 20:14 |
Calinou |
also, PAYING FOR A LINUX APP? ARE YOU INSANE? :3 |
| 20:14 |
Calinou |
</sarcasm> |
| 20:14 |
khonkhortisan |
linux has apps? |
| 20:14 |
ShadowNinja |
RealBadAngle|361: Are you getting "nick or channel not currently available" or similar? |
| 20:14 |
Calinou |
it has hats |
| 20:15 |
RealBadAngle|361 |
ShadowNinja: I used release to erase NotReallyNick a while back, and it is gone. I used release, not drop. |
| 20:15 |
RealBadAngle|361 |
ShadowNinja: Yes, that's the message I get. |
| 20:16 |
ShadowNinja |
You must have used drop, see help release and help drop |
| 20:16 |
ShadowNinja |
I have used it before |
| 20:16 |
RealBadAngle|361 |
I didn't use drop, I didn't even know there was a drop command. |
| 20:16 |
RealBadAngle|361 |
Crossover Ubuntu Edition? Why is there an Ubuntu-specific edition? |
| 20:20 |
sfan5 |
good night guys |
| 20:21 |
RealBadAngle|361 |
Good night. |
| 20:22 |
RealBadAngle|361 |
Twitter needs to STOP SPAMMING ME. I signed up for ONE contest, which I lost, and now I get endless emails from them. I wonder if I can delete my Twitter account .... |
| 20:23 |
Calinou |
tip: use an email client such as thunderbird, blacklist them |
| 20:25 |
iqualfragile |
what happened to OldCoder he never says anything anymore |
| 20:25 |
OldCoder |
Hi |
| 20:25 |
OldCoder |
iqualfragile, it may be settled soon |
| 20:25 |
OldCoder |
If things go well, I will return |
| 20:25 |
OldCoder |
Otherwise, I will be gone |
| 20:27 |
RealBadAngle|361 |
Email clients download emails to my computer, were I don't want them. |
| 20:28 |
RealBadAngle|361 |
She reset her world a while back. Some sort of errors, I think she said. |
| 20:29 |
Calinou |
it's not like mails are ridiculously heavy |
| 20:30 |
Calinou |
I manage three accounts with thunderbird, I use 1GB of disk space at most |
| 20:30 |
RealBadAngle|361 |
It's not the size I mind, it's the clutter. |
| 20:30 |
Calinou |
clutter is irrelevant |
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| 20:30 |
RealBadAngle|361 |
Keeping them on the web, I have no clutter. |
| 20:30 |
Calinou |
a minetest world is cluttered, it has many trees that aren't cut |
| 20:31 |
ShadowNinja |
Use IMAP |
| 20:31 |
Menche |
i thought the mail wasn't downloaded with the imap4 protocol |
| 20:31 |
Calinou |
gmail ftw |
| 20:31 |
Calinou |
that's the only service I use from google :P |
| 20:31 |
RealBadAngle|361 |
But a Minetest world doesn't get in my way. Or rather, the trees don't get in my way when I'm working outside Minetest. |
| 20:31 |
RealBadAngle|361 |
Yeah, I use Gmail for one feature: I get to use my own domain. |
| 20:31 |
Calinou |
john_minetest, "minecart tracks? aaaaaaaand it's gone." :P |
| 20:32 |
iqualfragile |
OldCoder: "things"? |
| 20:33 |
RealBadAngle|361 |
Menche: I don't know mail protocols. BUt if that doesn't download them, I still have to deal with the Twitter spam at http://mail.google.com/, so .... |
| 20:33 |
Calinou |
can't you blacklist contacts in gmail's webmail too? pretty sure you can do that |
| 20:33 |
RealBadAngle|361 |
I registered Crossover, and I see NO changes. What was the point? |
| 20:33 |
khonkhortisan |
tech support? |
| 20:34 |
Calinou |
tech support, a few updates ahead of wine |
| 20:34 |
Calinou |
wine is stripped down crossover, slightly older |
| 20:34 |
RealBadAngle|361 |
Calinou: If it comes to that, I'll see if that can be done. First, I'll try to delete my Twitter account though. |
| 20:34 |
Calinou |
and without commercial support |
| 20:34 |
Calinou |
how people feel when they buy a linux app: http://forum-images.hardware.fr/images/perso/aia.gif |
| 20:34 |
RealBadAngle|361 |
No, I already have the support, but I registered in the application. Like, I input my account details. |
| 20:35 |
Calinou |
"registering" is usually a way to know your email to send you ads :P |
| 20:35 |
Calinou |
almost all OEMs do that :P |
| 20:36 |
RealBadAngle|361 |
Except that I had to input the email and password from my existing CodeWeavers account. They got no new email address, as they accept no new email address through that method. |
| 20:38 |
MinetestBot |
minetest.org:30001 is up (0.497ms) |
| 20:41 |
RealBadAngle|361 |
Okay. Twitter says they'll delete my account in thirty days. |
| 20:43 |
RealBadAngle|361 |
I log in to shut down my account because of emails, and they send me an email about how I haven't logged in for quite a while ... ironic. |
| 20:44 |
[0gb_us] |
YES! I have my name back. |
| 20:45 |
iqualfragile |
oh, right i have a one year crossover license lying around… |
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iqualfragile |
no idea what i should do with it |
| 20:46 |
[0gb_us] |
I think mine's one year too, but I forget one year from when ... |
| 20:46 |
Calinou |
sell them, disguised as a minecraft gift code |
| 20:46 |
Calinou |
:trollface: |
| 20:48 |
[0gb_us] |
Mine expires at the end of October, according to my records. |
| 20:49 |
[0gb_us] |
Do you know how many applications I've installed with Crossover? Two. And I don't even use those applications any more. |
| 20:50 |
[0gb_us] |
Still, it's handy to keep around, just in case. |
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OldCoder |
iqualfragile, another time |
| 20:59 |
iqualfragile |
ok, if its a healt problem i hope that you get well and do so soon |
| 21:03 |
Calinou |
gtg, night |
| 21:04 |
[0gb_us] |
Good night. |
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[0gb_us] |
I found the name problem. I was trying to log into Freenode and log into Ubuntu IRC. Apparently, they are the same network. |
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[0gb_us] |
And ... settings fixed. |
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* Menche |
agrees |
| 21:17 |
[0gb_us] |
Can one server handle most users though? And who would run it? celeron55 took down his. |
| 21:18 |
Menche |
should an official server have mods installed? |
| 21:18 |
Menche |
i'm thinking no |
| 21:18 |
[0gb_us] |
Definitely not. Official server, official game. |
| 21:18 |
Menche |
maybe that would be incentive to add more stuff to the official game :P |
| 21:18 |
[0gb_us] |
Not even /home or protection. |
| 21:19 |
* [0gb_us] |
really likes protection |
| 21:19 |
iqualfragile |
of course not |
| 21:19 |
iqualfragile |
no mods |
| 21:19 |
Menche |
i threw a dozen clients on my pentium4 server and it handled it fine |
| 21:19 |
iqualfragile |
but it would quickly lead to an 'server' gamemode beeing added to minetest… |
| 21:19 |
[0gb_us] |
Good point, john_minetest. That could be good. |
| 21:20 |
Menche |
of course, they were all in the same location |
| 21:20 |
iqualfragile |
it think that bandwidth might be more of a problem |
| 21:20 |
[0gb_us] |
True. |
| 21:20 |
Menche |
i have had more problems with cpu than with bandwidth |
| 21:21 |
Menche |
the connection i had when i first started my server couldn't stream a low res youtube video smoothly |
| 21:21 |
[0gb_us] |
john_minetest: No, not unless added to the official game. |
| 21:22 |
Menche |
should there be a minetest testing repo? sort of like the old minetest-delta? |
| 21:22 |
[0gb_us] |
Dev server sounds fine, but if it's an official server, and a plugin is good enough to be used there, it should be added to the official game. |
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[0gb_us] |
Why am I debating this? I don't even care any more .... |
| 21:23 |
iqualfragile |
Menche: but now we have luajit, wich boost performance a LOT and we dont need to use an old pentium |
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| 21:23 |
Menche |
don't need to use an old pentium |
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| 21:23 |
Menche |
that's really the only computer i can leave at home all the time |
| 21:24 |
Menche |
or put the server stuff in another .lua script |
| 21:25 |
Menche |
and if minetest.setting_get("server") == true then dofile(server.lua) end |
| 21:26 |
iqualfragile |
Menche: more like if singleplayer== false |
| 21:26 |
Menche |
lol, whatever |
| 21:26 |
iqualfragile |
(as technicaly even a singleplayer game starts a server) |
| 21:26 |
Menche |
maybe use the server_dedicated setting |
| 21:27 |
iqualfragile |
and it should be saved per world and not per computer |
| 21:27 |
Menche |
well, should starting a game from the "advanced" tab be considered singleplayer? probably some people use that to start a multiplayer server |
| 21:27 |
Menche |
idk, i wouldn't use a per-world setting |
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drdre_ |
http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Getting_Started |
| 21:29 |
Menche |
LOL |
| 21:29 |
Menche |
just doesn't quit |
| 21:30 |
Menche |
at least that's the "dead" wiki |
| 21:30 |
drdre_ |
yeah "dead" |
| 21:30 |
Menche |
as in, you can still update it but nobody does |
| 21:30 |
drdre_ |
true |
| 21:32 |
Menche |
maybe they should have another documentation sprint on irc to get that thing updated |
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| 21:32 |
Menche |
is there an "official" player wiki? |
| 21:33 |
PilzAdam |
the one at minetest.com is kinda official |
| 21:33 |
khonkhortisan |
The dev wiki doesn't overlap the Read tab at low horizontal resolution |
| 21:33 |
Menche |
there's nothing at wiki.minetest.net and dev.minetest.net is just for development |
| 21:33 |
drdre_ |
http://dev.minetest.net/Engine_structure |
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| 21:34 |
Menche |
*sigh* |
| 21:34 |
PilzAdam |
Menche, wiki.minetest.com is not dead |
| 21:34 |
Menche |
it is out of date |
| 21:34 |
PilzAdam |
that doesnt mean noone can update it |
| 21:34 |
Menche |
but nobody does |
| 21:34 |
Kacey|school |
hi all |
| 21:35 |
Menche |
<Menche> maybe they should have another documentation sprint on irc to get that thing updated |
| 21:35 |
Menche |
hi |
| 21:35 |
drdre_ |
http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.inventorycube |
| 21:35 |
Menche |
can somebody ban that jerk before he overwrites the entire wiki? |
| 21:36 |
khonkhortisan |
To undo a page, I have to pass a check because I'm adding external links |
| 21:36 |
drdre_ |
what does that mean? |
| 21:36 |
khonkhortisan |
Select all the cat photos. |
| 21:37 |
drdre_ |
whats hard about that/ |
| 21:37 |
khonkhortisan |
I'm undoing a revision, not adding content. |
| 21:38 |
khonkhortisan |
http://dev.minetest.net/Special:Contributions/LandMine |
| 21:39 |
drdre_ |
nice |
| 21:39 |
PilzAdam |
Menche, done |
| 21:39 |
drdre_ |
what a kerk that guy is |
| 21:40 |
khonkhortisan |
The contributions were undone. |
| 21:40 |
drdre_ |
jerk** |
| 21:40 |
PilzAdam |
khonkhortisan, please dont revert spam if the user isnt blocked and still active |
| 21:40 |
khonkhortisan |
? |
| 21:40 |
PilzAdam |
it makes it harder to revert it |
| 21:40 |
khonkhortisan |
oh, okay. |
| 21:41 |
NotAidan |
Who blanked the proposal proposal?! |
| 21:41 |
NotAidan |
(this is Rarkenin) |
| 21:42 |
Menche |
was that one of the pages landmine hit? |
| 21:42 |
NotAidan |
There was wiki vandalism? |
| 21:42 |
kahrl_ |
it isn't blank for me |
| 21:42 |
NotAidan |
In that case, I take my words back. |
| 21:43 |
NotAidan |
Oh, and I was looking at thewrong URL. I take back my words. |
| 21:43 |
drdre_ |
i wonder if it would be posble to not revert it |
| 21:44 |
Menche |
"Rarkenin/Draft TCP network protocol"? that page looks blank to me |
| 21:44 |
PilzAdam |
rarekin himself blanked it |
| 21:44 |
PilzAdam |
http://dev.minetest.net/index.php?title=Rarkenin/Draft_TCP_network_protocol&diff=1171&oldid=1170 |
| 21:45 |
PilzAdam |
*rarkenin |
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PilzAdam |
I deleted Rarkenin/Draft TCP network protocol since he moved it to User:Rarkenin/Draft TCP network protocol |
| 21:48 |
BlockMen |
who own minetest.com? someone of our community? |
| 21:48 |
Menche |
a user named saxony |
| 21:48 |
Menche |
he's on the forums but hasn't been active for a while |
| 21:49 |
kahrl_ |
how's the java port coming along? |
| 21:49 |
Exio |
kahrl_: working like a charm, look at it! minecraft.net |
| 21:49 |
BlockMen |
Menche,ic |
| 21:50 |
kahrl_ |
Exio: hmm, I just tried it, it crashed :( |
| 21:50 |
Exio |
aww |
| 21:52 |
Exio |
well |
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| 21:53 |
sdzen |
https://github.com/minetest/common/pull/43 |
| 21:57 |
PilzAdam |
sdzen, pull requests are not the correct changes to suggest new textures |
| 21:57 |
PilzAdam |
+place |
| 21:57 |
sdzen |
eh |
| 21:57 |
PilzAdam |
-changes |
| 21:57 |
sdzen |
figured it was worth a shot |
| 21:58 |
sdzen |
so what shady channel must I go through? |
| 21:58 |
PilzAdam |
dunno |
| 21:58 |
Menche |
lol |
| 21:59 |
sdzen |
sounds like a rock solid system |
| 21:59 |
Menche |
"how do i add x feature?" "dunno" |
| 22:00 |
Menche |
the textures are part of the repo, why not use pull requests? |
| 22:00 |
PilzAdam |
you can imagine that there are tons of people who want to change textures |
| 22:00 |
sdzen |
I can |
| 22:00 |
sdzen |
most people dont make requests |
| 22:00 |
Menche |
well there has to be *some* way to request changes |
| 22:00 |
PilzAdam |
we just dont have a system yet to handle it porperly |
| 22:00 |
PilzAdam |
*properly |
| 22:01 |
Menche |
and the ETA on that system is... |
| 22:01 |
RealBadAngel |
If theres no other system then pull requests are valid way to do so |
| 22:01 |
Menche |
"I'm sorry, we can't accept new features because we're working on a feature to accept features" |
| 22:02 |
BlockMen |
lol |
| 22:02 |
Menche |
can people request a way to handle requests? |
| 22:02 |
RealBadAngel |
hehehe, it really looks like that |
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BlockMen |
IMO its the best way atm...and when not wanted the pull request can be closed. i dont see a problem with that right now |
| 22:02 |
sdzen |
the best way is to approach pilzadam via PM and beg him |
| 22:03 |
sdzen |
thats how I got my animated fire in :P |
| 22:03 |
PilzAdam |
ehm |
| 22:03 |
Menche |
cue tons of spam in PilzAdam's PM |
| 22:03 |
PilzAdam |
IIRC I added animated fire without you begging me |
| 22:04 |
[0gb_us] |
While I don't use pull requests to change the textures myself, I'd have to agree, until a better system is set up, pull requests are the way. |
| 22:04 |
sdzen |
haha thats only cause you needed it |
| 22:04 |
sdzen |
vote on the forums maybe? |
| 22:04 |
PilzAdam |
thats always a bad idea |
| 22:05 |
sdzen |
it is |
| 22:05 |
Menche |
why? |
| 22:05 |
sdzen |
cause that never gets payed attention to |
| 22:05 |
PilzAdam |
first of all the poll function in the forum is broken |
| 22:05 |
Menche |
yes. somebody needs to fix that. |
| 22:05 |
sdzen |
if polls got paid attention to, we would still be on the old default |
| 22:05 |
PilzAdam |
second, there are more or less random people just voting without thinking about it |
| 22:05 |
* sdzen |
remembers that poll |
| 22:06 |
* Menche |
remembers a poll he did, because he never figured out how to get rid of it |
| 22:06 |
sdzen |
it wasnt with the poll thing |
| 22:06 |
PilzAdam |
sdzen, have you considered making a texture pack? |
| 22:06 |
Menche |
the forum polls do need fixing |
| 22:06 |
RealBadAngel |
still, core devs can vote for the change. easy to count votes |
| 22:06 |
sdzen |
I have several. |
| 22:07 |
* [0gb_us] |
remembers you can't change you mind on the polls if someone convinces you to see things their way |
| 22:07 |
RealBadAngel |
PilzAdam, stop pushing aside any proposed changes to mods, tps or other game modes :P |
| 22:07 |
sdzen |
thats why you dont use the poll thing |
| 22:07 |
sdzen |
you just make a topic |
| 22:07 |
sdzen |
that way peopel can change their minds |
| 22:07 |
sdzen |
people* |
| 22:07 |
Menche |
i asked one mod to delete it and was told that any *other* mod was able to, so i asked another mod and got the same response... |
| 22:08 |
[0gb_us] |
Hmm. Odd. |
| 22:08 |
sdzen |
you talk to darkrose as well? |
| 22:08 |
RealBadAngel |
PilzAdam, the game is not only your vision but that what community wants and expecting. |
| 22:08 |
[0gb_us] |
So all moderators are lesser ranked than all other moderators. |
| 22:08 |
PilzAdam |
RealBadAngel, ehm... we talk about textures |
| 22:08 |
sdzen |
lets leave the request there and see if the feedback is any good |
| 22:09 |
sdzen |
hows that sound? |
| 22:09 |
BlockMen |
good |
| 22:09 |
Menche |
somebody needs to change that mese crystal texture |
| 22:09 |
RealBadAngel |
PilzAdam, code, textures, music whatever. all is binary content :P |
| 22:09 |
PilzAdam |
sdzen, I know exactly what will happen: some people like Zeg9 and Exio will post a "+1" and noone will ever merge it |
| 22:09 |
[0gb_us] |
Adding numbers is not helpful to a topic. |
| 22:10 |
sdzen |
then I will put it to a vote on the forums |
| 22:10 |
sdzen |
without that stupid function |
| 22:10 |
Exio |
PilzAdam: what |
| 22:10 |
Exio |
tell me how many +1 i've posted |
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RealBadAngel |
sdzen, btw i like that obsidian texture, but bricks sucks imho ;) |
| 22:10 |
sdzen |
its better then the default |
| 22:11 |
sdzen |
those were wayyyyyyy to flat |
| 22:11 |
sdzen |
too* |
| 22:11 |
sdzen |
and pruple |
| 22:11 |
sdzen |
purple* |
| 22:11 |
Menche |
anyone else think the mese crystal textures are ugly? |
| 22:11 |
sdzen |
I think its looks better then the block |
| 22:11 |
PilzAdam |
Exio, mabye not you |
| 22:11 |
RealBadAngel |
bricks imho shall be some red/orange, not just red |
| 22:11 |
PilzAdam |
I had your nick in mind for some reason |
| 22:11 |
PilzAdam |
dunno |
| 22:12 |
sdzen |
mine have hues of orange in them |
| 22:12 |
BlockMen |
bricks must be dark red |
| 22:12 |
sdzen |
see the screenshot I commented under it |
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BlockMen |
like that http://powerpoint.sonyanancysims.com/mypictures/textures/largepicts/Bricks_red.jpg |
| 22:12 |
PilzAdam |
we have changed the brick textures already some time ago |
| 22:12 |
sdzen |
yes, and it was better before |
| 22:12 |
PilzAdam |
we dont just change things just for the sake of changing |
| 22:13 |
sdzen |
because IT WAS RED! |
| 22:13 |
PilzAdam |
I dont like the gravel and obsidian |
| 22:13 |
PilzAdam |
and the glass |
| 22:13 |
[0gb_us] |
The old bricks were ugly. The new ones seem fine. |
| 22:13 |
PilzAdam |
and the brick |
| 22:14 |
RealBadAngel |
http://i.imgur.com/DLoAY1q.png |
| 22:14 |
RealBadAngel |
i have such texture for bricks |
| 22:14 |
PilzAdam |
yay! bricks made out of oranges |
| 22:15 |
BlockMen |
sdzen looks better than RBA's |
| 22:15 |
sdzen |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=87690#p87690 |
| 22:15 |
sdzen |
there |
| 22:15 |
sdzen |
I don't believe in fancy schmancy automated poll whatsits |
| 22:16 |
sdzen |
lets leave it to someone other then pilzadam. |
| 22:16 |
RealBadAngel |
googling for bricks images will show you more orange than red :P |
| 22:16 |
BlockMen |
sdzen, maybe a screenshot of current and yours would be nice...makes comparing easier |
| 22:16 |
sdzen |
yes it would |
| 22:17 |
sdzen |
uploading a second pic |
| 22:17 |
sdzen |
though the obsidian should be changed |
| 22:17 |
* Menche |
likes that obsidian |
| 22:17 |
sdzen |
when I first saw it (I didn't know about the update) I thought it was bedrock from minecraft |
| 22:18 |
BlockMen |
RBA, not really. most are terracotta, which is neither orange nor red :P |
| 22:18 |
Menche |
wait, what obsidian? i like sdzen's proposed change |
| 22:18 |
sdzen |
the default one |
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| 22:21 |
RealBadAngel |
i like bricks like that: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bricks-4172.jpg |
| 22:21 |
sdzen |
there. a second picture added for comparison |
| 22:21 |
sdzen |
those are still redish |
| 22:22 |
sdzen |
not really orange on my screen |
| 22:22 |
Menche |
the gravel could perhaps use a bit more contrast, but i prefer sdzen's suggestions for all of those |
| 22:22 |
RealBadAngel |
but not so pure red |
| 22:22 |
sdzen |
I noticed that gravel uses a grand total of 4 colours |
| 22:22 |
Menche |
there *are* bricks that color |
| 22:23 |
BlockMen |
RBA, you rly like orange bricks :P |
| 22:23 |
Menche |
the default obsidian looks like someone was playing with the gamma |
| 22:23 |
BlockMen |
thats my fav: http://www.buildpro.com.au/downloads/Image/products/medium/Austral%20Bricks%20-%20Kooyong%2076-ce5140df15d046a66883807d18d0264b.jpg |
| 22:23 |
Menche |
too dark |
| 22:23 |
sdzen |
well I must dissapeer for now |
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RealBadAngel |
anyway, those are real bricks, http://i.imgur.com/ogi60rJ.png ;) |
| 22:26 |
Exio |
is that.. 16x16? |
| 22:26 |
RealBadAngel |
ofc not |
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BlockMen |
RealBadAngel, hmm, as long you like them and they dont become default ;) |
| 22:28 |
Exio |
with real HD "res" you can make MT world look pretty nice |
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iqualfragile |
most hd packs dont tile too well |
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| 22:33 |
Exio |
only shaders are needed for that! |
| 22:33 |
* VanessaE |
peeks in |
| 22:33 |
VanessaE |
did someone say HD? :) |
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| 22:34 |
Exio |
aww |
| 22:34 |
Exio |
VanessaE: remove the highlight to "HD" and "HDX"! |
| 22:34 |
VanessaE |
I don't have such a highlight. I read the scrollback :) |
| 22:35 |
SamuraiGhost |
there is a vandal on the wiki: http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/LandMine |
| 22:35 |
Menche |
wait, wasn't he blocked? |
| 22:36 |
VanessaE |
wtf? my wiki account is dead? |
| 22:36 |
RealBadAngel |
iqualfragile, http://imgur.com/a/PXyaA#0 this doesnt tile well? ;) |
| 22:37 |
Menche |
IMO, high res textures look out of place in a cube world. |
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| 22:37 |
sapier |
https://github.com/sapier/moreores updated moreores to 0.4.6 ore functions |
| 22:37 |
Menche |
sure, the textures are more detailed, but the landscape is made of cubes |
| 22:38 |
Exio |
Menche: depends what "high res" textures |
| 22:38 |
Exio |
i don't like very real textures |
| 22:38 |
SamuraiGhost |
I don't know if they are blocked, but the changes have not been reverted |
| 22:38 |
Exio |
but "HD" alone feels right for me |
| 22:38 |
Menche |
don't care for anything above 32x |
| 22:39 |
RealBadAngel |
thats why we do have texture packs |
| 22:39 |
Exio |
with 128x i'm perfect |
| 22:39 |
RealBadAngel |
some likes 16, some more |
| 22:39 |
Menche |
really prefer 8x |
| 22:39 |
Exio |
or 258, i don't really recall atm |
| 22:40 |
Dogzill131 |
How can you find minetest by yourself? |
| 22:40 |
Dogzill131 |
If you never heard of it? |
| 22:40 |
VanessaE |
G*d damn it get rid of this fuckign cat captcha! |
| 22:40 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: ^^^^^ |
| 22:40 |
Menche |
i found minetest by searching for minecraft on the AUR |
| 22:40 |
VanessaE |
unable to revert landmine's vandalism on the "getting started" page because of that stupid captcha. |
| 22:41 |
Dogzill131 |
AUR? |
| 22:41 |
Menche |
Arch User Repository |
| 22:41 |
Menche |
3rd party software on Arch linux |
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PilzAdam |
VanessaE, http://vkokoce.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/trollface-hello-kitty-35216.jpg |
| 22:42 |
jin_xi |
cant be so hard to find the cats? |
| 22:42 |
VanessaE |
jin_xi: no matter how many times I go through it, the match fails. |
| 22:42 |
Exio |
is there any way to "generate" a lot of terrain? |
| 22:42 |
iqualfragile |
RealBadAngel: actualy that screenshot is quite a bad representation as there are nearly none continious planes |
| 22:42 |
Exio |
(i want to generate a "big" part of the nether - because if not it is slow as hell) |
| 22:43 |
PilzAdam |
"slow as hell" <- thats intentional |
| 22:43 |
Dogzill131 |
Is there a easier way? I found it, but I mean if you want to find the game |
| 22:43 |
jin_xi |
no such problems here, just select the cats... |
| 22:43 |
jin_xi |
oh well |
| 22:43 |
jin_xi |
i thought it was a nice captcha |
| 22:43 |
jin_xi |
i like kittehs |
| 22:43 |
VanessaE |
jin_xi: um, I'm not stupid. I can tell a cat from a dog easily enough. |
| 22:43 |
Exio |
PilzAdam: lol? |
| 22:44 |
* PilzAdam |
likes making bad "hell" jokes about his nether mod |
| 22:44 |
Menche |
does generating the nether lag the hell out of minetest? or into it... |
| 22:45 |
PilzAdam |
hell yea! |
| 22:45 |
* PilzAdam |
goes to hell |
| 22:45 |
PilzAdam |
bye |
| 22:45 |
Exio |
k |
| 22:46 |
VanessaE |
fuck it. someone else can fix it then. |
| 22:47 |
VanessaE |
I don't have time to guess what the fucking captcha wants me to do. |
| 22:47 |
jin_xi |
VanessaE: you can check here http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/redmond/projects/asirra/ |
| 22:47 |
sapier1 |
I gave up on changeing something in wiki because of that damn captcha |
| 22:47 |
VanessaE |
oh well no shit. |
| 22:47 |
VanessaE |
I use firefox. |
| 22:47 |
VanessaE |
microshit = made for IE. |
| 22:48 |
BlockMen |
firefox WAS awesome |
| 22:48 |
Menche |
lol, you can adopt a pet from the captcha |
| 22:48 |
BlockMen |
firefo IS crap too |
| 22:48 |
BlockMen |
*firefox |
| 22:48 |
* Menche |
uses dwb |
| 22:49 |
sapier1 |
if you know any better browser just tell me ;-) |
| 22:49 |
Menche |
links? |
| 22:49 |
Exio |
firefox is still pretty good |
| 22:49 |
BlockMen |
SRWare Iron, a Chrome clone that doesnt send all to google |
| 22:49 |
BlockMen |
:P |
| 22:49 |
Exio |
as i still don't know any browser what is that tweak-able |
| 22:50 |
sapier1 |
I hate chrom for starting the version race |
| 22:50 |
Exio |
with firefox you can have your personal web-desktop in your browser |
| 22:50 |
Exio |
sapier1: +1 |
| 22:50 |
BlockMen |
sapier1, Mozilla had not to join, they wanted |
| 22:50 |
sapier1 |
its quite silly ... firefox 20 ... |
| 22:50 |
Exio |
BlockMen: the users |
| 22:51 |
BlockMen |
so dont hate Chrome, hate Mozilla (and the users :P) |
| 22:51 |
sapier1 |
they had ... common users mind just looks to numbers ... same as mhz |
| 22:51 |
BlockMen |
and i dont think so, look at IE users, they are alot behind ff and chrome |
| 22:51 |
BlockMen |
or safari |
| 22:51 |
BlockMen |
or opera |
| 22:51 |
sapier1 |
does anyone install IE or safari on its own? |
| 22:51 |
BlockMen |
ya :( |
| 22:52 |
Exio |
i did |
| 22:52 |
sapier1 |
both are bundled with os |
| 22:52 |
Exio |
i needed a browser for my torture box |
| 22:52 |
Exio |
so i used ie! :D |
| 22:52 |
sapier1 |
i didn't ask for use but INSTALL ;-) |
| 22:52 |
BlockMen |
srsly, why is wool not in "survival"?? |
| 22:52 |
jin_xi |
lol |
| 22:53 |
jin_xi |
cotton kills |
| 22:53 |
VanessaE |
BlockMen: oh we can't have THAT! it doesn't help you KILL SHIT AND SURVIVE! G*D forbid the idea. |
| 22:53 |
Menche |
only there's nothing to kill in survival... |
| 22:53 |
VanessaE |
yet... |
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| 22:54 |
BlockMen |
VanessaE, umm...and how do you craft beds without wool?? |
| 22:54 |
Menche |
some people like the challenge of building nice stuff while surviving |
| 22:54 |
VanessaE |
BlockMen: blame pilzadam. |
| 22:54 |
BlockMen |
i have my own beds mod :P |
| 22:54 |
[0gb_us] |
sapier1: Internet Explorer only has a Windows version. Internet Explorer always comes installed on Windows. So no one who can run it needs to install it on their own. |
| 22:55 |
Exio |
in mc now what i have stacks of diamonds, an OP diamond armor-sword pair, and stuff |
| 22:55 |
Exio |
i like building random and cute stuff |
| 22:55 |
BlockMen |
0gbus, "Internet Explorer always comes installed on Windows." Not in the EU |
| 22:55 |
sapier1 |
that's exactly what I was aiming at ;-) |
| 22:55 |
Menche |
i think you can run it in wine. now, why you would want to... |
| 22:55 |
Exio |
like filling a whole island with pink-purple-magenta wool, making nether forests ... etc |
| 22:55 |
[0gb_us] |
Oh, cool BlockMen. |
| 22:56 |
sapier1 |
still firefox was really sluggish for some time ... current 20 version seams to perform way better ... still not good enough to fix githubs bad architecture |
| 22:56 |
Menche |
github's fonts render reeaally bad in dwb |
| 22:56 |
[0gb_us] |
I use Firefox because Opera won't stop crashing. |
| 22:56 |
BlockMen |
does someone know why wool is still not added after i set "common_mods = ..., wool" at game.conf? |
| 23:07 |
BlockMen |
nvm |
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BlockMen |
bye |
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