Time Nick Message 00:00 jojoa1997 Let's use Minecraft's ones :-) 00:00 jordan4ibanez It's not something to take lightly, this game, is an incredible engine, and -dev is just using it to turn it into Minecraft. 00:00 jordan4ibanez I had to take a break, so I would not leave, when I realized this. 00:01 BlockMen ok, i need to sleep. gd n8t 00:01 arsdragonfly jordan4ibanez: the next time they add a new feature, they should say "because it's NOT in minecraft" 00:02 hmmmm umm.. 00:02 jordan4ibanez No, "Because it's a cool idea". 00:02 khonkhortisan mod-controlled client gui 00:02 hmmmm jordan4ibanez, what's the problem 00:02 khonkhortisan that's not in mc 00:02 jojoa1997 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6--kTcODn8 00:02 hmmmm i don't get how you're so upset that there are a lot of elements from minecraft here in the default game 00:02 hmmmm there's a reason why everything's modifiable 00:02 hmmmm if you don't like it, you can change it 00:03 hmmmm you can't do that with minecraft, minecraft will always be minecraft 00:03 arsdragonfly Yea,a cool idea that minecraft hasn't implemented 00:03 hmmmm so shut up and do something productive instead of bitch about it. 00:03 jordan4ibanez I'm not upset about that. I'm upset, because a lot of cool features, are being rejected, because the -dev team thinks that a feature will cause arguments in a scenario at some point in time. 00:03 hmmmm it's completely in your power. 00:03 VanessaE hmmmm: I believe the argument is that it shouldn't need changed - it should be available by default - if someone doesn't want it, it's a lot easier to delete a folder than to track down and install a mod if the feature doesN'T exist. 00:03 VanessaE whatever "it" might be. 00:04 hmmmm indeed 00:04 jordan4ibanez Fuck you hmmmm. This isn't about modability, it's about the default game. And that people who don't know that the forums even exist, think that this game is a pile of fucking dog shit because of the blandness. 00:05 hmmmm the default game is fine as it is. 00:05 hmmmm again, YOU are the one with the complaints 00:05 hmmmm you're the minority 00:05 hmmmm and this game is awesome, you couldn't make something better no matter how hard you tried 00:05 hmmmm stop complaining and be grateful 00:05 VanessaE hmmmm: he tried before if I recall right :) 00:05 hmmmm minetest could just not exist and you'd be stuck with nothing 00:06 jordan4ibanez When I try to tell people about Minetest, they tell me, "Wow this game is a piece of fucking shit" Every where I go. I have to explain to people about mods. Imgur, Reddit, Facebook, Youtube, different IRC channels, anything. It's the same thing from everyone. How am I supposed to bring people to this game if the default game sucks so much ass? 00:06 hmmmm mods are well-advertised on the website 00:06 hmmmm on its very own, minetest is technically superior to minecraft in pretty much every way possible 00:06 kahrl_ tell them to install the dwarves game or whatever? 00:07 jordan4ibanez Like I said, people expect a some-what exciting game out of the box at least, and this game mode as it is, is not. I will leave that at this. 00:07 jojoa1997 hmmmm i think the default game should have alot more 00:07 VanessaE One thing that would help is if we stopped calling the "default" game "minetest" but picked something entirely different from the engine. 00:07 VanessaE tell the user, "get the minetest engine and the XXX game pack" 00:07 jojoa1997 i think common would be better with more added 00:07 VanessaE otherwise they will assume "get the minetest engine and the minetest_game pack" 00:08 VanessaE jojoa1997: common isn't a game, it's more like a library 00:08 arsdragonfly Those who say that one game is a fucking shit at the first glance shouldn't exist in the minetest community 00:08 jojoa1997 ok but you get my point 00:08 jojoa1997 more needs to be added 00:08 VanessaE jojoa1997: and more is being added. 00:08 jojoa1997 yes 00:08 jojoa1997 stop 00:08 jojoa1997 i am saying more needs to get added and a lot more is added 00:08 VanessaE the problem is what other games draw from that "library". 00:08 jojoa1997 and is bing added 00:09 VanessaE hmmmm: isn't it time we started thinking about new names for the standard games? I think it would solve a lot of problems. 00:09 hmmmm i suppose so 00:10 jojoa1997 what we need is to put all the mods in the current game versions and have them use those mods. cause it would be easier for other games(minitest) to use it from common 00:10 hmmmm it's just that i can't understand this anti-dev sentiment that everybody seems to have 00:10 hmmmm we are giving them something for free 00:10 hmmmm something that takes a lot of time, effort and skill that they clearly lack 00:10 emptty at first I though that jordan4ibanez was joking 00:10 hmmmm and then they shit in our face and tell us "fuck you" 00:10 VanessaE hmmmm: well, haven't you noticed the pattern in all of these complaints? 00:11 hmmmm i feel like we should start banning these people, but it'd probably go too far 00:11 emptty side note: I am very grateful to what you guys did :) 00:12 hmmmm vanessae, not really, what? 00:12 VanessaE the pattern I see is that "the engine is good, but no one is willing to entertain the idea of adding feature X to one of the default games", to the point that the desire to avoid that feature turns into a perceived, vocal rejection of the idea altogether. 00:12 hmmmm which is what you basically said earlier 00:12 VanessaE is it true? not really, but there is a kernel of truth to it. 00:12 hmmmm the more i think about it the more i agree 00:13 hmmmm minetest's core is way more than a game at this point 00:13 hmmmm it does more stuff than a game ever would 00:13 VanessaE exactly. and it's surely NOT a "test" anymore. 00:13 hmmmm it's more impressive than a game too 00:14 VanessaE yes 00:14 hmmmm but people have lots of reservations to changing names 00:14 hmmmm we'd have to have a lot of consensus 00:14 hmmmm a LOT 00:14 hmmmm i mean look at the shitstorm with mese, and that's just a yellow block with a word scribbled on it 00:15 VanessaE well then I tell you what: 00:15 hmmmm when we refer to the core, i'd like to call it 00:15 hmmmm "something Content Engine" 00:15 VanessaE rather than rename the game, let's rename the core. 00:15 hmmmm Voxel Content Engine 00:15 VanessaE naw, too generic 00:15 emptty or you could put some presure to mod authors so that they start considering their work seriously and release it seriously instead of assuming that everyone will go for the git release of their repo 00:15 hmmmm Minetest Voxel Content Engine 00:15 hmmmm Minetest VCE 00:15 VanessaE no, something that doesn't mention "minetest" at all 00:15 VanessaE nevermind what the API says 00:16 hmmmm i really wonder what celeron would have to say about this 00:16 VanessaE ping in him -dev and find out :) 00:16 hmmmm i have a policy to not ping people 00:16 hmmmm unless i really need to 00:16 arsdragonfly open voxel engine maybe? 00:16 VanessaE emptty: making "proper" releases is pointless. 00:17 hmmmm these are all possibilities 00:17 kahrl_ it needs to be something that is short or can be shortened easily 00:17 VanessaE arsdragonfly: maybe, but I think we need to avoid giving it a technical name, other than "engine". 00:17 emptty VanessaE: yeah that's what people keep telling me, but I find it astonishing 00:17 hmmmm mtvce 00:17 kahrl_ nobody would want to say it otherwise 00:17 VanessaE hmmmm: too many syllables. 00:17 kahrl_ hmmmm: too many consonants, I think 00:17 VanessaE lol 00:17 hmmmm lol 00:17 VanessaE ninja'd! HIYAH! 00:17 VanessaE :) 00:17 hmmmm and then instead of "minetestserver" we make that 00:17 hmmmm mtvced 00:18 VanessaE ok I think that idea is out. :D 00:18 VanessaE -ed? 00:18 VanessaE -d? 00:18 VanessaE daemon? 00:18 hmmmm daemon 00:18 hmmmm obvs 00:18 VanessaE mmmh 00:18 khonkhortisan mt+mtd 00:18 VanessaE doesn't work, the server doesn't run as a daemon anyway 00:18 kahrl_ Voxel Daemon? 00:18 hmmmm mtc mtd 00:18 hmmmm lol 00:18 hmmmm sounds like we'd have a mascot 00:18 hmmmm beastie made up of blocks 00:19 VanessaE yeah, "sam", with the minetest logo on his/her chest :) 00:19 VanessaE holding a mese pickaxe instead of a trident :) 00:19 jojoa1997 or you could put some presure to mod authors so that they start considering their work seriously and release it seriously instead of assuming that everyone will go for the git release of their repo re: yes i agree. that is one of the reasons i am using dropbox for minitest. i want to have releases not a here is a single game and you get what i take. oh and if i say i want to fix one bug when 00:19 jojoa1997 i could wait a week and fixe 10 while adding more content and discovering more bugs then it is tough luck to them 00:20 hmmmm but yeah i'd definitely love a name change overall 00:20 hmmmm i mean when i tell people about "minetest" they give me a look 00:20 VanessaE jojoa1997, emptty: the problem with using downloadable packages is that it makes it much more difficult for a server owner to keep their mods up-to-date. 00:20 VanessaE hmmmm: exactly. 00:21 jojoa1997 not really 00:21 hmmmm i am guessing celeron didn't have reservations about that name as we do because it doesn't have as much meaning in his native tounge 00:21 hmmmm and now it's too late 00:21 VanessaE hmmmm: well do recall that back before 0.4.0, it was all one package - the engine + game in one downloadable unit. 00:21 jojoa1997 it is all the same download 00:21 arsdragonfly we should change before it's much too late 00:22 jojoa1997 yes 00:22 kahrl_ Vanessa is a ninja today :) 00:22 VanessaE it isn't too late to rename the project, but it IS way too late to change the API. 00:22 VanessaE kahrl_: a term I stole from nekogloop :) 00:22 arsdragonfly You can use aliases anyway 00:22 emptty well, sed could help in any API renaming 00:22 VanessaE arsdragonfly: for API functions? 00:22 hmmmm no emptty 00:23 arsdragonfly yes 00:23 hmmmm minetest is the namespace used in lua 00:23 kahrl_ sapier wants to change all minetest.env: calls to minetest. calls 00:23 hmmmm we can't change it 00:23 ShadowNinja in builtin minetest = newname, compatability fixed :-) 00:23 hmmmm all of the modders would need to change their stuff 00:23 kahrl_ so why not change it to voxeld. 00:23 hmmmm oh 00:23 jojoa1997 POLL: We should rename Minetest to Jojoamine. 1) yes! 2)!!yes!! 3)!Y!E!S! 00:23 hmmmm hah 00:23 arsdragonfly 4 00:23 hmmmm shadowninja, good point 00:23 arsdragonfly lol 00:23 hmmmm so i guess it's not too bad to change the api 00:24 hmmmm i keep forgetting you can do nifty things like that in lua 00:24 hmmmm so kahrl, you say voxeld? 00:24 hmmmm and what do we call the client 00:24 hmmmm voxelc? :/ 00:24 VanessaE nae, voxel-anything is too generic, and too technuical 00:24 VanessaE technical* 00:24 emptty voxelworld ? 00:24 VanessaE remember your average user 00:24 arsdragonfly openmine? 00:24 kahrl_ maybe we should hold a name contest 00:24 VanessaE OpenMine Engine 00:25 emptty openmine +1 00:25 VanessaE arsdragonfly is on the right track 00:25 VanessaE "The OpenMine Engine" or TOME 00:25 ShadowNinja Sounds good 00:25 hmmmm originally when i wanted to make a minecraft clone, the name i was going to do was OpenCraft 00:25 VanessaE BinGO! 00:25 VanessaE bingo, too 00:25 hmmmm but that's the name of a 3rd party minecraft server now 00:25 VanessaE OpenCraft? well so that's out 00:25 hmmmm lol :( 00:25 hmmmm the early attempts at a minecraft clone 00:26 VanessaE so use arsdragonfly and my idea. 00:26 kahrl_ "open" or "free" is an important distinction to some 00:26 VanessaE TOME: The OpenMine Engine 00:26 hmmmm me and the guy i was working with, we actually believed that storing things in a sparse voxel octree would work 00:26 VanessaE kahrl_: agreed 00:26 hmmmm i'm glad that entire idea died fast 00:26 hmmmm erm yes 00:27 hmmmm when you have software prefixed with Open, that usually indicates that it conforms to some set of POSIX standards 00:27 hmmmm OpenSolaris, OpenIndiana, OpenBSD, OpenBSM, etc. 00:27 kahrl_ OpenOffice 00:27 hmmmm OpenSSH for that matter 00:27 emptty bigger project changed their name successfully, like openoffice -> libreoffice 00:27 hmmmm erm 00:27 VanessaE kahrl_: bad example :) 00:27 hmmmm that was a fork 00:27 hmmmm there's still openoffice 00:28 hmmmm i don't think we need to go as corny as "libre" 00:28 hmmmm i'd rather free 00:28 hmmmm FreeCraft? 00:28 VanessaE definitely not. 00:28 VanessaE naw 00:28 VanessaE too obvious 00:28 kahrl_ FreeCell. Oh wait 00:28 hmmmm which is the name of a clone of warcraft 2 00:28 hmmmm hah 00:29 hmmmm i wonder how fast i could make a decent starcraft clone 00:29 hmmmm knowing all i do about that damn game 00:29 VanessaE hmmmm: I have a friend back in Missouri who would love that :) 00:29 hmmmm and i don't even *do* games... 00:30 hmmmm yet i got sucked into the world of game development 00:30 emptty hmmmm: I didn't knew that openoffice still tried to survive, that's interesting 00:31 VanessaE emptty: yeah, at the hands of a corporation that can't get their heads out of their asses regarding trademarks. 00:32 hmmmm wow 00:32 VanessaE ? 00:32 hmmmm if this were 10 years ago and i did create a completely compatible free starcraft clone, i wonder what the public reaction would be 00:33 jojoa1997 Well just make a good name ok 00:34 hmmmm nowadays i can't do the same because i just don't have the same knowledge of their newer products 00:34 hmmmm and they're much more complex 00:34 VanessaE How about MineCluserfuck? Now, now, it isn't a clusterfuck yet, we're trying to prevent it from becoming one. 00:34 VanessaE heh 00:34 VanessaE (he was of course kidding) 00:34 hmmmm lol 00:34 arsdragonfly It's said that the name of Electronic Arts came after a day-long brainstorm 00:35 hmmmm EA is a good name but such a crap company 00:35 hmmmm basically all of their growth is artificial, through buying other companies 00:36 kahrl_ maybe pick a name from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creator_deity ? 00:37 kahrl_ since the engine creates worlds... 00:37 hmmmm as VanessaE calls it, G*d 00:37 VanessaE Naw 00:37 VanessaE that might be seen as blasphemous by some. 00:37 kahrl_ ok, true 00:37 hmmmm we should call it Mohammed 00:38 Menche and running it from the commandline with an asterisk in it 00:38 VanessaE judging by the forum thread "Do you believe in God", there are a lot of religious folks in the community 00:38 Menche sandbox game that uses voxels = VoxBox? 00:38 VanessaE hmmmm: oh sure, and piss off 1/5 of the planet? :) 00:38 hmmmm well 00:38 kahrl_ I should read Offtopic sometimes 00:38 hmmmm i guess you're right 00:39 hmmmm we'd probably all get assassinated 00:39 VanessaE heh 00:39 VanessaE Jihadtest :) 00:39 hmmmm declare fatwa against minetest devs! 00:39 VanessaE hey grog. 00:39 thefamilygrog66 hey V 00:40 thefamilygrog66 hey, I wanted to ask you what "lighting bug" the 3d forniture wall torch had 00:40 emptty Menche: I like the idea, but the resulting name is hard to pronounce, I think 00:40 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=87451#p87451 00:40 VanessaE HAH! 00:40 VanessaE guess he couldn't leave :) 00:41 hmmmm hrmm 00:41 hmmmm vanessae, you should probably make a poll thread on this topic 00:41 thefamilygrog66 since I based my lava lamps on it... 00:41 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: When you punch the lamp, it would go: Off, medium, bright, low, dim, off 00:42 VanessaE instead of off, dim, low, medium, bright, ogg 00:42 VanessaE off* 00:42 thefamilygrog66 oh, the table lamps - gotcha 00:42 thefamilygrog66 I noticed that as well 00:42 hmmmm so far, serious ideas for names are: FreeVoxel, voxelc/voxeld, VoxBox, MT Voxel Content Engine, some others that i missed 00:42 thefamilygrog66 not the wall torch tho 00:42 VanessaE hmmmm: ok, gimme a few mins 00:42 hmmmm definitely not "VoxelWorld" - that's insanely generic sounding and probably in use already 00:42 arsdragonfly openmine? 00:42 hmmmm oh yes 00:42 kahrl_ hmmmm: those all have voxel in them, which Vanessa said is too technical 00:43 hmmmm FreeMine, OpenMine 00:43 Menche how is voxel too technical? 00:43 VanessaE I'll plug in all of these names 00:43 hmmmm kahrl, we'll let the people decide 00:43 hmmmm ! 00:43 hmmmm i don't think it is. 00:45 emptty VanessaE: I'd love to ear your arguments against releasing games on top of that engine 00:45 hmmmm but of course, minetest will remain the name of the main game 00:45 kahrl_ if there are many religious people in the userbase voxeld (with the daemon as logo) might not be a good idea 00:45 thefamilygrog66 what are you guys discussing? 00:45 hmmmm hah 00:45 kahrl_ there are quite a few christians who refuse to install FreeBSD based on the logo 00:45 hmmmm i remember that 00:45 Menche it doesn't even run as a daemon 00:45 hmmmm also it didn't look appealing for businesses 00:45 kahrl_ Menche: also true 00:46 hmmmm they recently changed the logo for freebsd to a spherical translucent thing with cones 00:46 Menche besides, that's probably way too generic 00:46 thefamilygrog66 the same folks who won't buy proctor and gamble products? 00:46 hmmmm lol^ 00:47 VanessaE ok, I've got FreeVoxel, voxelc/voxeld, VoxBox, MT Voxel Content Engine, The FreeMine Engine, The OpenMine Engine 00:47 VanessaE any others? 00:47 thefamilygrog66 the devil's shampoo! 00:47 emptty well, the freebsd logo didn't change on their web page (yet) 00:47 hmmmm what about FreeMine and OpenMine without the "the" and "engine"? 00:47 VanessaE sure 00:48 VanessaE as options in addition to with "the/engine" 00:48 VanessaE ? 00:48 hmmmm yeah 00:48 VanessaE ok, got those 00:48 hmmmm VoxBox sounds good but i don't think that one will work out in the end 00:48 Menche open a forum thread asking for ideas? and that way people couldn't complain about it being done in secret 00:48 hmmmm people might confuse it for some sort of voice-processing software 00:48 VanessaE how about NodeBuilder? 00:48 hmmmm i mean, "vox" 00:48 hmmmm NodeBuilder? yuuuck! 00:49 VanessaE lol 00:49 hmmmm throw it in anyway 00:49 arsdragonfly FreeNode! 00:49 arsdragonfly lol 00:49 emptty :) 00:49 VanessaE arsdragonfly: haha 00:49 thefamilygrog66 did someone design a nodebox designer?! 00:49 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: yes 00:49 VanessaE rubenwardy did 00:49 VanessaE I think 00:49 hmmmm aa 00:49 thefamilygrog66 with textures as well? 00:49 VanessaE hmmmm: 30 days for the run time of the poll 00:49 VanessaE ? 00:49 hmmmm sounds good 00:50 hmmmm anyway, a name change is also a good opportunity to change the versioning scheme if we'd like 00:50 thefamilygrog66 NodeBoxer 00:50 VanessaE shit 00:50 hmmmm for example, when SunOS went to Solaris 00:50 hmmmm they started using the minor version number as the major 00:50 VanessaE I have to drop two options from the list - there's a limit of 7 options. 00:50 hmmmm :/ 00:51 hmmmm what an arbitrary number 00:51 Menche find another poll website? 00:51 thefamilygrog66 can it import 3D models from Blender, etc.? 00:51 hmmmm well i think the one-vote-only idea is pretty crappy anyway 00:51 kahrl_ I don't think 'node' should be in the name 00:51 VanessaE I'll put it on strawpoll.me 00:51 hmmmm we should have people rate from a number of 1 to 9 which name they'd like the best 00:51 hmmmm and then we add all the values up 00:51 kahrl_ the term is only relevant to modders 00:52 thefamilygrog66 who else will be using it, kahrl_? 00:52 hmmmm that's a kind of voting system somewhere in europe but i don't recall which country does that 00:52 kahrl_ thefamilygrog66: anyone who wants to play the game 00:52 hmmmm hmm 00:52 thefamilygrog66 I'm confused. 00:52 hmmmm for some reason i don't feel like celeron would get too upset over this name change 00:53 Menche or do a poll the way the archlinux forums do it 00:53 VanessaE http://strawpoll.me/32805 00:53 VanessaE how's that look> 00:53 thexyz wait, are you seriously going to rename minetest? 00:53 VanessaE ? 00:53 hmmmm yes 00:54 Menche people copy the list and increment numbers before each item, or add a new item 00:54 arsdragonfly VanessaE :cant' log on to the website 00:54 hmmmm people conflate the core with the game way too much 00:54 arsdragonfly :( 00:54 kahrl_ is there a version of the ambience mod that works outside the game? 00:54 VanessaE I'll put the bulk of the descriptive text into the forum post that will link to it. 00:54 kahrl_ I like the night noises, so soothing 00:54 VanessaE arsdragonfly: you shouldn't need to log in. 00:54 thexyz so the core will has new name while the game will remain "Minetest", right? 00:54 VanessaE thexyz: yeash 00:54 VanessaE yeah 00:54 VanessaE damn, my typing sucks 00:54 arsdragonfly VanessaE : well I can't open the web page 00:55 VanessaE arsdragonfly: golden shield is blocking you then 00:55 VanessaE The Great Firewall of China. 00:55 VanessaE meh 00:55 arsdragonfly yes 00:55 hmmmm VanessaE, actually could you add "OpenMiner" and change MT Voxel Content Engine to MT Voxel Engine or "mtve" for short? 00:55 arsdragonfly wow 00:55 arsdragonfly how do u know that :) 00:55 VanessaE sure, hold 00:55 thexyz VanessaE: how about adding an option to leave the old name? 00:55 hmmmm oh wow 00:55 VanessaE arsdragonfly: most of the western world knows about it 00:55 hmmmm arsdragonfly is chatting from the PRC?! 00:55 arsdragonfly yes 00:56 arsdragonfly surprising huh? 00:56 kahrl_ now that the engine does bone animations, how about... FreeBoner 00:56 hmmmm lol^ 00:56 kahrl_ I'm sorry I will shut up now 00:56 thefamilygrog66 errr 00:56 * jojoa1997 scrolling back 00:57 VanessaE I feel the need to add a joke option also, e.g. some CowboyNeal-esque answer but pointed at c55 :) 00:57 VanessaE thexyz: I'll add that, also made hmmmm's changes. it'll be a new URL though. 00:58 jojoa1997 so what has been decided? 00:58 * Menche predicts that 46 polls will be made as people want new additions/changes to the list 00:58 kahrl_ jojoa1997: to make a forum thread 00:59 VanessaE hmmmm: http://strawpoll.me/32807 00:59 hmmmm hmm 00:59 hmmmm i'm not even sure which to vote for 00:59 VanessaE jojoa1997: no decision has been reached, we're composing a poll. 00:59 Menche on the archlinux forums, a poll is done by each voter copying the list of options and upping the number in front of their choice, or adding a new item 01:00 Menche that way, people can add new options they want 01:00 emptty what about running a poll to decide how we run the poll? 01:00 VanessaE Shall I post this, or do we want to make more revisions? 01:00 Menche lol 01:01 emptty srly, I think that Menche proposal is good, as everybody will want to add items to the list 01:01 kahrl_ you need to say that whatever the poll outcome is, it won't be binding 01:01 kahrl_ celeron can veto it, in any case 01:01 VanessaE emptty, Menche: well others can always write-in other options via the forum. 01:01 Menche the problem is, mods would have to watch the list to make sure people don't add 5 votes, vote twice, edit other votes 01:01 thexyz kahrl_: i'm pretty sure he will 01:02 VanessaE Menche: IP matching is turned on, should help keep the ballot stuffers at bay. 01:02 Menche so, we have been sitting here for a while quibbling over changing the name, i've been wondering; who is *really* in charge of this? 01:03 hmmmm everyone and noone 01:03 Menche the problem with a "community driven" project: who makes the final decisions 01:04 hmmmm celeron wants to be "just the guy who maintains the website and updates some repositories" 01:04 Menche let's have a shouting match! 01:04 Menche WHOEVER USES THE MOST CAPS WINS 01:04 hmmmm but he's the only person we really allow to make new developers, it's sort of a self-understood rule 01:05 hmmmm i don't know. he'd probably deny wanting to be that person if he were asked 01:05 kahrl_ problem with VoxBox: http://www.voxbox.net/ is taken 01:05 Menche ah 01:05 Menche besides, it could be shortened to vbox and confused with virtualization software 01:06 kahrl_ mtve.net also taken 01:06 Menche being confused with virtualization software would be a problem until someone implements the x86 instruction set in mesecons 01:06 emptty good luck with that! 01:06 kahrl_ lol 01:07 kahrl_ fucking domain parkes 01:07 kahrl_ parkers* 01:07 hmmmm kahrl, which one are you thinking? 01:07 kahrl_ most of them 01:07 hmmmm FreeMine really sounds the best 01:07 VanessaE hmmmm, others: http://pastebin.com/LL7PpZ3u 01:07 emptty ok, I should sleep since a few hours already. Thanks to all for being such an interesting community, and see you then 01:08 jojoa1997 back 01:08 kahrl_ openmine.net is also parked 01:08 hmmmm sounds good 01:08 hmmmm well hold on a minute, why do we have to be a .net? we're an organization 01:09 Menche minetest.org is already taken? 01:09 kahrl_ freemine.net is registered but doesn't respond 01:09 hmmmm it apparently is 01:09 kahrl_ hmmmm: I was trying .net because minetest.net 01:10 thexyz Menche: yes, OldCoder owns it 01:10 hmmmm i'd say either .net or .org works 01:10 ShadowNinja openmine.org is used my MineCraft fans 01:10 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=87462 01:10 thefamilygrog66 speaking of .net, why is there also a minetest.com site? 01:10 ShadowNinja freemine.org is blank 01:11 jojoa1997 um 01:11 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: minetest.com is run by someone else, and is basically dead. 01:11 Menche saxony 01:11 jojoa1997 why do we have to change the website name? 01:11 kahrl_ ShadowNinja: nope, it's registered but doesn't respond 01:11 jojoa1997 it is like we are making a new game 01:11 jojoa1997 imagine someone updateing and seeing oh well we are not here anymore 01:11 kahrl_ is parked* 01:11 jojoa1997 i say keep all the websites 01:12 VanessaE jojoa1997: so minetest.net could just redirect to the new domain, if we did such a thing 01:12 VanessaE quite trivial to do. 01:12 Menche minetest -> minedone 01:12 jojoa1997 yeahj but i like all my bookmarks 01:12 kahrl_ I would say keep minetest.net the main site 01:12 kahrl_ redirect from whatever.org/net to a subpage of minetest.net for the engine 01:14 jojoa1997 karhl_ +∞ 01:14 hmmmm you can't add infinity 01:14 jojoa1997 oh yeah 01:14 kahrl_ you can 01:14 jojoa1997 local x=1 01:14 jojoa1997 function 01:14 kahrl_ at least we did in analysis 3 class 01:14 * Menche hates it when people respond with just +/-[number] 01:15 jojoa1997 x=x^2 01:15 kahrl_ subtract infinity from infinity, however 01:15 jojoa1997 function 01:15 jojoa1997 end 01:15 OldCoder Hi 01:15 jojoa1997 boom infinity 01:15 jojoa1997 Menche 01:15 jojoa1997 Menche 01:15 jojoa1997 + 01:15 hmmmm the only circumstance in which arithmetic with infinity is defined is 1/inf, and that's only when you're talking about the extended complex plane 01:15 jojoa1997 - 01:15 jojoa1997 1 01:15 kahrl_ hmmmm: I'm talking about measures 01:16 VanessaE hm, the pie graph strawpoll.me creates from the results needs work 01:16 hmmmm just like a more general measure theory class? 01:16 kahrl_ yeah 01:16 hmmmm why would you be doing arithmetic with infinity there 01:16 Menche so we've gone from discussing a name change, to polling systems, to the concept of infinity 01:17 hmmmm not the concept of infinity, technical details about the usage of infinity in arithmetic 01:17 kahrl_ hmmmm: defining the addtivity of measures without having to make restrictions 01:17 VanessaE Menche: all in a day's chat, like usual :_) 01:17 VanessaE :) 01:17 hmmmm well it's all good as long as you've defined it 01:17 Menche #minetest: where we discuss life, the universe, everything, and the kitchen sink 01:17 hmmmm i'm not sure if that's universally accepted as the notation though 01:17 hmmmm but then again, i am not an analyst 01:18 hmmmm the furthest i've gone is one semester of real analysis and a semester of complex analysis 01:18 kahrl_ we also defined 0*∞ = 0 01:18 Dogzilla131 Hi 01:19 Menche hi 01:19 arsdragonfly well there's something interesting here 01:19 arsdragonfly guess what are these websites about? 01:19 arsdragonfly mcbbs.net and mcbbs.org 01:19 hmmmm minecraft builiten board system? 01:20 Menche that was my guess 01:20 hmmmm ah 01:20 hmmmm looks like a chinese minecraft forum 01:20 arsdragonfly the 1st one is a minecraft forum and the 2nd is a website where ppl share their affairs :) 01:20 hmmmm and same with mtbbs.net as well 01:20 arsdragonfly mcbbs.net and mtbbs.net are both chinese :) 01:20 hmmmm woah 01:20 hmmmm mcbbs.org crashed firefox 01:20 hmmmm uh oh 01:21 hmmmm weird.... probably a known issue anyway 01:22 hmmmm i am using firefox 16.0.1 and i refuse to update anymore 01:22 hmmmm it's gone to crap 01:22 jojoa1997 http://strawpoll.me/32815 01:22 Menche with firefox's version numbers, 16 is pretty much the same as 20 anyway 01:23 VanessaE damn it, I hate this social media crap - whatever happened to the concept of sending a plain old email? 01:23 hmmmm in 20, they screwed up the configuration UI 01:23 hmmmm and they added some facebook buttons 01:23 hmmmm horrible 01:23 jojoa1997 vote now 01:24 * Menche proposes "i agree" and "i disagree" to replace "+#" and "-#" 01:24 * arsdragonfly has to use VPN to vote 01:24 arsdragonfly or to visit youtube 01:25 ShadowNinja s/i (aggree)|(disagree)/I \1\. 01:25 hmmmm is talking about circumvention like that not against your laws? 01:27 arsdragonfly chmod 664 the-laws-in-china 01:27 arsdragonfly lol 01:28 hmmmm it's the same in most countries 01:28 hmmmm the US isn't this shining beacon of freedom, you can't change anything and that pisses me off 01:29 hmmmm i like freedom, so i guess that's why one of the first things i did was make the mapgen configurable 01:29 hmmmm options are always great 01:30 thefamilygrog66 encryption is freedom. or something. 01:30 hmmmm freedom of what though.. freedom to observe and discuss, but never to change 01:31 jojoa1997 bx.freedom.org 01:31 hmmmm not found 01:31 thefamilygrog66 proprietary software is murder. 01:31 jojoa1997 oops wrong link 01:31 hmmmm haha 01:31 jojoa1997 www.troll.com 01:31 hmmmm i don't think that guy was trolling 01:32 thefamilygrog66 sorry, I'm just being an ass. 01:32 hmmmm i've met people like that guy before 01:32 Menche uh, troll.com redirects to scholastic books? 01:33 jojoa1997 trolololololoololoolololololololololololllolololololololololololololololololoolololololololooloololololollollolllololololoololooloolololollolololol 01:33 thefamilygrog66 my daughter is playing minecraft, oh well. 01:33 * jojoa1997 sorry i had to 01:33 Menche heretic. 01:33 thefamilygrog66 haha 01:33 jojoa1997 ? 01:33 NakedFury traitor. bring her over to the free side 01:34 jojoa1997 what happened while i left for 10 seconds 01:34 NakedFury everything 01:34 Menche lol. i play minecraft sometimes 01:34 jojoa1997 So there is the cookie side and the free side 01:34 jojoa1997 I play minecraft alot 01:34 thefamilygrog66 she prefers it 01:34 * jojoa1997 = tnt and adventure maps dude 01:34 jojoa1997 so do i but i prefer both 01:34 NakedFury I have been playing some minecraft too. specificaly MineZ 01:35 jojoa1997 minecraft has great survival but minetest has great abilities 01:35 thefamilygrog66 I like tweaking things, and minetest allows me to do that more easily 01:37 thefamilygrog66 it also doesn't crash my laptop as frequently 01:42 jojoa1997 :/ 01:42 * jojoa1997 wasnt pinged 01:42 VanessaE jojoa1997: ping. 01:43 jojoa1997 VanessaE: polo. 01:43 VanessaE heh 01:44 jojoa1997 VanessaE: marco. 01:45 Kacey http://www.downloadmoreram.com/ 01:45 VanessaE heh 01:47 Kacey seems legit... seriously 01:47 ShadowNinja Looks legit ;-) 01:49 kahrl_ The sad thing is that I could actually picture Apple selling more RAM in their app store 01:49 bcnjr5 lol 01:49 Menche could definitely see them blocking part of the RAM and requiring payments to access it 01:50 bcnjr5 more lols 01:50 Menche apparently you have to pay extra to share a data connection over wifi? or at least need the plan to "support" it? 01:50 thefamilygrog66 nice 01:50 khonkhortisan I clicked download, rightclicked to view source, and as I rightclick, I get a javascript alert that says the download is complete, which has paused the bar. 01:51 khonkhortisan Clicking the download bar brings the popup back, reloading restarts the download 01:51 khonkhortisan They really shouldn't've used onclick 01:51 * Menche downloads 4g of RAM 500 times 01:51 * Menche 's harddisk is full of RAM 01:51 Menche lol 01:51 thefamilygrog66 http://lifehacker.com/mac-vs-windows-your-best-arguments-486125257?rev=1367364583 01:51 khonkhortisan I need to download 16 and upload 2 01:52 khonkhortisan Mac is bad because I can't run it in a vm 01:52 Menche apple makes me run windows 01:52 khonkhortisan I need to enable VT-x/AMD-V in my BIOS 01:53 Menche the only reason i have windows anymore is for itunes 01:53 jojoa1997 !up redcrab.suret.net 01:53 MinetestBot redcrab.suret.net:30000 is up (0.313ms) 01:53 jojoa1997 !up redcrab.suret.net:30401 01:53 MinetestBot jojoa1997: Note: Syntax changed please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337' 01:53 jojoa1997 !up redcrab.suret.net 30401 01:53 MinetestBot redcrab.suret.net:30401 is up (0.197ms) 01:54 VanessaE sfan5|OFF: can you please make that bot stop warning of the "bad" syntax? 01:55 jojoa1997 maybe allow the bot to take server:port 01:57 Menche how does the forum decide which topics have new posts? it tried to tell me that there was a new post in a topic where the last post was mine. 01:58 Exio i play MC a lot - as "play" with MT code :P 02:00 VanessaE Menche: maybe editing a post marks it as "new"? 02:01 jojoa1997 oh cool 02:01 * jojoa1997 makes dye in minitest 02:02 * jojoa1997 is tired 02:02 jojoa1997 good night all 02:02 VanessaE jojoa1997: did you update your copies of unified dyes and homedecor btw? 02:02 jojoa1997 yes!!! 02:02 VanessaE they've been fixed to work with default dyes/flowers now. 02:02 VanessaE ok, good. 02:02 jojoa1997 night all 02:02 VanessaE night 02:02 VanessaE lazy ass ;) 02:02 jojoa1997 WTF!!! 02:03 jojoa1997 I AM NO **** *** 02:03 VanessaE kidding :D 02:03 jojoa1997 * ** ** **** *** 02:03 jojoa1997 cye ;-) 02:03 jojoa1997 *cya 02:03 ShadowNinja ShadowBot: reload Minetest 02:04 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: The operation succeeded. 02:04 ShadowNinja !up 67.241.154.164:30000 02:04 MinetestBot ShadowNinja: Note: Syntax changed please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337' 02:04 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: 67.241.154.164:30000:30000 seems to be down 02:04 VanessaE heh 02:04 ShadowNinja Right, I have to prefix ShadowBot 02:06 ShadowNinja ShadowBot: reload Minetest 02:06 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: The operation succeeded. 02:06 ShadowNinja ShadowBot: up 67.241.154.164:30000 02:07 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: 67.241.154.164:30000 is up (0.102ms) 02:07 ShadowNinja ShadowBot: up 67.241.154.164:30001 02:07 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: 67.241.154.164:30001 seems to be down 02:07 ShadowNinja There, but you can't use it because MinetestBot is around :-( 02:51 bcnjr5 oh great... 02:51 VanessaE what? 02:52 bcnjr5 LandMine just pmed me. 02:52 VanessaE (holy crap, homedecor has 128 unique nodes now? Damn.) 02:52 VanessaE ignore him 02:52 ShadowNinja /ignore 02:52 bcnjr5 I did. 02:53 ShadowNinja Well if he comes here ShadowBot will be ready, hopefully a ban on the first message. 02:53 VanessaE ignore him again anyway :) 02:53 bcnjr5 I know. 03:58 arsdragonfly VanessaE : www.stormboard.com 03:59 arsdragonfly check it out 03:59 VanessaE what do I need this for? 03:59 arsdragonfly we need an interactive brainstorm since everyone might has his/her own idea 04:00 VanessaE oh. 04:00 VanessaE eh, IRC and forums are good enough :) 04:00 arsdragonfly a poll is not enough 04:00 khonkhortisan All the websites that require email verification should just all talk to each other so I can just verify my email once 04:01 [0gb_us] khonkhortisan: THat's called OpenID. 04:02 khonkhortisan Can I deduplicate my openids? 04:02 VanessaE [0gb_us]: I pushed more updates to homedecor and unified dyes early this morn right after you left. YOu may want to look into the, 04:02 VanessaE them* 04:02 VanessaE khonkhortisan: only if you run ZFS ;) 04:02 [0gb_us] Duplicate? I don't think so. 04:02 khonkhortisan if I log in with google, then with flickr it might think I'm someone else 04:02 khonkhortisan no, merge 04:03 [0gb_us] Oh, merge. No, I don't think so. 04:03 [0gb_us] Okay, I'll look at home decor tomorrow. 04:04 VanessaE ok 04:04 * [0gb_us] is tired, but waiting for advice on #xfce 04:07 * [0gb_us] may fall asleep soon though 04:07 VanessaE what advice? 04:08 [0gb_us] I don't know what to install. Xubuntu or Linux Mine XFCE edition. 04:08 [0gb_us] *Mint 04:08 VanessaE are you running base ubuntu" 04:08 VanessaE ? 04:08 VanessaE oh wait 04:08 VanessaE I see what you meant 04:08 VanessaE eh, both will be roughly the same I guess 04:08 VanessaE I run Xubuntu (13.04) 04:09 VanessaE mint probably just has a different revision of xfce or different graphics and such, but under the hood it's going to be about the same for either one. 04:10 [0gb_us] THat's why it's so hard to choose. THey are so similar. THere doesn't seem to be a good reason to choose one over the other. 04:11 [0gb_us] If no one has a convincing argument, I'll likely use Xubuntu (12.04) as it's already installed from yesterday. 04:12 VanessaE stick to 12.04 for now 04:12 [0gb_us] I installed it before I knew there was and XFCE edition of Mint. 04:12 VanessaE wait till 14.04 is out before you start considering changing 04:12 VanessaE (13.04 didn't get as much polish as it needed) 04:12 khonkhortisan I can't really use youtube because I attempted to change my email, and gmail accounts are google accounts are youtube accounts. 04:12 [0gb_us] I prefer LTS anyway. 04:14 [0gb_us] I might put Mine XFCE on the other computer, and leave Xubuntu on this one. But using two different systems might be kind of silly. 04:15 [0gb_us] They have different repositories, but that's about it. 04:17 khonkhortisan stormboard reminds me of prezi 04:35 * [0gb_us] sleeps 06:30 ShadowNinja sfan5: I changed the format of searching for my bot, for example ,,(server --ping ">0.200" --ping "<0.500" --players !0) 06:30 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: Public Minetestserver | minetestserver.us.to | Clients: 1/6 | Version: 0.4.6 | ping: 0.250 06:31 ShadowNinja It allows multiple searches, even on the same value 06:32 VanessaE FROM table SELECT ALL DROP... or some other shit :) 06:33 VanessaE (I can never remember the right form of that silly old meme) 06:33 sfan5 DROP TABLE *; usally does it 07:03 sfan5 !server 07:03 MinetestBot sfan5: Spanish Server | 198.211.125.161 | Clients: 0/50 | Version: 0.4.6 minetest | ping: 0.120 07:14 sfan5 !server 07:14 MinetestBot sfan5: NotObamaland | zenoheld.minetest.net | Clients: 1/100 | Version: 0.4.6 zenophobe | ping: 0.337 07:14 sfan5 !server 07:14 MinetestBot sfan5: ShadowNinja's server | 67.241.154.164 | Clients: 0/100 | Version: 0.4.6 build | ping: 0.222 07:15 MinetestBot minetest.org:30015 seems to be down 07:25 sfan5 MinetestBot: reload server 07:25 MinetestBot sfan5: (version: 2013-05-01 07:26:42) 07:26 sfan5 !server ping:>0.2 ping:<0.5 players:!0 07:26 MinetestBot sfan5: No results 07:26 sfan5 !server ping:>0.2 ping:<0.5 07:26 MinetestBot sfan5: 0gb.us's simple server | 0gb.us | Clients: 4/100 | Version: 0.4.6 0gb.us | ping: 0.287 07:27 sfan5 !server ping:<0.1 random 07:27 MinetestBot sfan5: WazuClan.com | wazuclan.com | Clients: 4/32 | Version: 0.4.6 minetest | ping: 0.216 07:27 sfan5 !server ping:<0.1 random 07:27 MinetestBot sfan5: WazuClan.com | wazuclan.com | Clients: 4/32 | Version: 0.4.6 minetest | ping: 0.216 07:27 sfan5 !server ping:<0.1 random 07:27 MinetestBot sfan5: 0gb.us's simple server | 0gb.us | Clients: 4/100 | Version: 0.4.6 0gb.us | ping: 0.287 07:28 sfan5 !server ping:<0.1 07:28 MinetestBot sfan5: Minetest❤Ru | minetest.ru | Clients: 3/100 | Version: 0.4.5 | ping: 0.097 07:28 sfan5 !server ping:<0.1 07:28 MinetestBot sfan5: Minetest❤Ru | minetest.ru | Clients: 3/100 | Version: 0.4.5 | ping: 0.097 07:28 sfan5 !server ping:<0.1 07:28 MinetestBot sfan5: Minetest❤Ru | minetest.ru | Clients: 3/100 | Version: 0.4.5 | ping: 0.097 07:58 celeron55 all the names in the poll suck 07:58 celeron55 they're so unimaginative it's ridiculous 07:59 VanessaE got something better? let's hear it. Otherwise hush. 07:59 VanessaE :) 07:59 VanessaE webdesigner97: how goes the streets mod rewrite/upgrade? 08:00 celeron55 why not some short related word, tweaked a bit? like vixel or myne or something like that 08:00 VanessaE dunno. Maybe no one thought such names would be interesting? 08:00 celeron55 it's hard to make easily remembered names from actual common words; it's not like anyone making a comapny or anything would use then ame "voxel" or "mine" in a name 08:01 celeron55 the name* 08:01 celeron55 the word* 08:01 VanessaE besides, this discussion was more a matter not of being imaginative, or of being interesting, but of being different enough to distance the engine from the game content and avoid confusion. 08:01 VanessaE (while also avoiding minecraft-related references if it could have been helped) 08:02 celeron55 but this gives us an opportunity to actually be original instead of being seen as some purely technical folks who can't make up good names (well, maybe you are, but i am not) 08:02 kaeza FreeNode? 08:02 kaeza :D 08:02 VanessaE kaeza: too late, someone beat you to that one 08:02 arsdragonfly +1 for freenode 08:02 VanessaE john_minetest: http://strawpoll.me/32807 08:03 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5800 08:03 VanessaE there's the forum thread for it. 08:03 celeron55 seriously, none of those names are interesting at all; all of them are way more repugnant than minetest 08:04 VanessaE at least none of them imply the engine is still a "test" :) 08:07 VanessaE for a while I guess, yeah 08:07 celeron55 that was the name of the main game for a very short time 08:07 VanessaE bbl, time for bed. 08:07 celeron55 of course we could name the engine that; it's better than any of the names in the poll for sure 08:08 arsdragonfly start a brainstorm 08:08 celeron55 i'm actually surprised how bad these people are at naming things 08:08 arsdragonfly www.stormboard.com 08:09 rotor112 !up minetest.org 30015 08:09 MinetestBot minetest.org:30015 seems to be down 08:10 rotor112 !up minetest.org 30016 08:10 MinetestBot minetest.org:30016 is up (0.409ms) 08:10 celeron55 (but i mean, mese is pretty much the only original (named) game content in minetest, so basing a name on that is almost fool-proof) 08:10 celeron55 (the only problem with that is that it's a bit nontrivial to pronounce in some languages) 08:13 celeron55 i base my project names on pretty much anything; minetest is probably the least imaginative one ever :P 08:13 celeron55 too bad it got popular 08:15 jin_xi hmm, i think there is a real need for a drama section in the forum... 08:17 celeron55 the forum is minetest's drama section 08:18 jin_xi quite 08:23 rotor112 !b64d rotor112 08:23 MinetestBot ®‹h¯]v 08:23 rotor112 !b64e ®‹h¯]v 08:23 MinetestBot wq7Ci2jCr112 08:23 rotor112 why doesn't it show my name? 08:23 kaeza-phone yay works 08:24 kaeza !b64d ®‹h¯]v 08:24 MinetestBot TypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'Error' objects (file "/home/user/mtbot/bot.py", line 188, in ) 08:24 kaeza !b64d ®‹h¯]v 08:24 MinetestBot TypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'Error' objects (file "/home/user/mtbot/bot.py", line 188, in ) 08:25 kaeza derp 08:25 rotor112 !b64d Vmtaa2MyUldjRmxWYlhocVRURkdidz09 08:25 MinetestBot VkZkc2RWcFlVbXhqTTFGbw== 08:25 rotor112 !b64d VkZkc2RWcFlVbXhqTTFGbw== 08:25 MinetestBot VFdsdVpYUmxjM1Fo 08:26 rotor112 !b64d VFdsdVpYUmxjM1Fo 08:26 MinetestBot TWluZXRlc3Qh 08:26 rotor112 where's OldCoder? 08:28 rotor112 !b16d 333333343334333433333336333333393333333633343335333333363333333533333337333333343333333633333335333333373333333333333337333333343333333233333331 08:28 MinetestBot 333434343336333933363435333633353337333433363335333733333337333433323331 08:28 rotor112 !b16d 33343434333633393336343533363335333733343336333533373333333733343332331 08:28 MinetestBot rotor112: Odd-length string 08:29 jin_xi hey stop it 08:29 rotor112 !b16d 333434343336333933363435333633353337333433363335333733333337333433323331 08:29 MinetestBot 344436393645363537343635373337343231 08:29 rotor112 ok 08:38 sfan5 !b16d sfan5 08:38 MinetestBot sfan5: Non-base16 digit found 08:38 sfan5 !b64d sfan5 08:38 MinetestBot TypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'Error' objects (file "/home/user/mtbot/bot.py", line 188, in ) 08:38 sfan5 :/ 08:42 Stcrafts hello 08:42 arsdragonfly hi 08:42 Stcrafts Yooo 08:51 celeron55 fired up like million thesaurus pages and tried to make as many short and unique names as possible: https://gist.github.com/celeron55/5494364 08:52 sfan5 Line 22... :D 08:53 sfan5 what i think when i see mesemake: "$ stat Mesefile $ mesemake" 08:54 celeron55 if i started a new project to be what minetest is now, i'd maybe use derpxel or buildat or minegap 8) 08:56 celeron55 http://c55.me/random/2013-05/tscrot-2013-05-01_11-56-13.png 08:58 celeron55 perttubox 08:59 celeron55 meseption 09:06 sfan5 i want git to apply this patch, but git apply says "unregognized input": https://gist.github.com/sfan5/5494405 09:09 RealBadAngel what about something with "node" in it? 09:09 RealBadAngel like Nodea for example 09:15 celeron55 the allowance of such depends on whether the name is made for coders vs. users 09:15 celeron55 it was discussed previously (some 6 hours ago) 09:15 jin_xi squarepuncher? 09:16 celeron55 (i find it funny that such name discussion occurs at the time when americans are at their evening 09:16 celeron55 ) 09:16 celeron55 it seems "test" somehow suits those people very badly 09:17 celeron55 everyone else is okay with it 8) 09:18 celeron55 maybe we should market minetest in the US as minegreat 09:18 jin_xi lol 09:18 celeron55 or minebig 09:18 celeron55 minemoney 09:18 celeron55 mineoil 09:19 celeron55 minetaste? that's a good name 09:19 * celeron55 adds to list 09:20 celeron55 well, actualy it's not really that good, it's too similar 09:20 celeron55 the point of a different name is to... well, be different 09:21 sfan5 why was j4i quited? 09:21 sfan5 *muted 09:21 thexyz insults 09:22 thexyz http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-05-01#i_3060967 09:24 sfan5 MinetestBot: reload chop 09:24 MinetestBot sfan5: (version: 2013-05-01 09:25:52) 09:41 kaeza #if 0 // CURL IS BEING DUMB 09:41 kaeza nope: http://dumb.sourceforge.net/ 09:47 celeron55 that's one of the best names for software 09:53 sfan5 kaeza: how comes that you look at my gists 10:01 kaeza I left the OpenPandora community some time ago because I got fed up with that community's tendency to endorse nonfree software and snap back when I disagreed, but I didn't make a topic saying "I'm leaving, you horrible nonfree software apologist heathens!" I just left. 10:02 kaeza are we going to start with this again? 10:02 onpon4 kaeza: No. Why? 10:03 kaeza onpon4, well, you seem to have some inconsistency in what you say and what you do. 10:04 onpon4 kaeza: What's that? 10:08 onpon4 kaeza: It's an honest question. You just posted a quote out of its original context where I was criticizing people for making "Goodbye" topics. "are we going to start with this again?" suggests to me that you think I'm trying to push the ideals of free software. That's not an example of that. 10:21 onpon4 john_minetest: I disagree, and here's why: if you're leaving an entire community, there are two possibilities I can think of: either there is a deep reason that simply cannot be corrected, or you're throwing a fit. If it's just a problem you have with the game, you discuss the problem directly and see if others agree with you, and if not, you either do it yourself or give up. 10:25 celeron55 i agree that leaving and discussing about issues should not be done at the same time 10:25 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 10:25 celeron55 discuss issues if there seems to be a chance for correcting them, and then look a while if something happens, and then just leave silently 10:25 celeron55 (if nothing does happen) 10:26 celeron55 (look a while, or try to do something fo a while) 10:26 celeron55 for* 10:26 onpon4 And since Minetest is free, you even have option 2: do it yourself. 10:26 onpon4 (As opposed to leaving, that is.) 10:27 celeron55 well, discussing and doing should really be done at the same time 10:28 iqualfragile hi PilzAdam 10:28 celeron55 (doing things gives the most knowlegde) 10:29 PilzAdam lol, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/691 10:30 sfan5 what so funny about that? 10:31 iqualfragile oh dear, that might break merges 10:34 jin_xi here is something i wonder: wouldnt it be possible to write a script that generates a new commit in a new repo b from every diff between commits in repo a, running some code sanitizer before committing to b? 10:34 sfan5 jin_xi: yes 10:35 jin_xi so you could fix whitespace and such automatically preserving history and avoiding merge conflicts 11:45 * jojoa1997 grugedly morning all 11:56 all hi jojoa1997 12:03 jojoa1997 HI! 12:17 Calinou aww 12:17 * Calinou on sky hard core, guy comes near me, me logs off 12:17 Calinou now the guy knows exactly where i am and just has to dig below my feet 12:17 rotor112 how can I use the default flowers mod? 12:19 rotor112 I'm using common, type /mods and doesn't get the flowers 12:19 Calinou logic award: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=87570#p87570 12:21 jojoa1997 Calinouy shu up about minecraft tools i just started playing 12:21 jojoa1997 *shut 12:21 rotor112 so why can't I see flowers? 12:22 rotor112 of course I'm using the newest minetest common 12:22 jojoa1997 are you using the newest minetest_game 12:22 rotor112 yes 12:22 rotor112 why? 12:22 jojoa1997 have you searched in new areas? 12:22 Exio minetest_game doesn't have flowers 12:22 Exio you'll need to use build or survival 12:23 jojoa1997 WHAT?!?!?!? 12:23 jojoa1997 that is stupid 12:23 rotor112 I typed /mods 12:23 rotor112 and flowers aren't showed 12:23 Exio jojoa1997: blame PilzAdam 8) 12:24 rotor112 games/common/flowers/init.lua 12:25 rotor112 why? 12:25 * jojoa1997 attacks PilzAdam 12:25 Exio if you want flowers in MT_game, add "flowers" to the end of common_mods in the game.conf (games/minetest_game/game.conf) 12:26 rotor112 flowers are a part of common 12:26 rotor112 so... 12:26 Exio so what? 12:27 sfan5 rotor112: not any game inheirts all mods from common 12:27 sfan5 *all games 12:27 kaeza inherits* 12:27 kaeza :P 12:27 sfan5 *inheirt 12:27 rotor112 I can't find game.conf 12:27 kaeza hey sfan 12:27 sfan5 hi 12:28 jojoa1997 hiu gusy 12:28 jojoa1997 hu gyus 12:29 jojoa1997 hi giys 12:29 * jojoa1997 grrrr 12:29 jojoa1997 hi guys 12:29 Calinou jojoa1997: ö_ö well, you were still incorrect :P 12:29 Calinou about minecraft tools 12:30 jojoa1997 so what i still am right about how i am king of all things 12:30 rotor112 I found it 12:30 rotor112 it should be default 12:34 jojoa1997 bbs 12:40 jojoa1997 HI ALL 12:41 celeron55 "Weeks of programming can save you hours of planning" 12:41 PilzAdam spam: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5808 12:41 PilzAdam celeron55, I suggest to delete all the "Goodbye" topics 12:42 celeron55 i'm starting to understand why companies spend so much money on PR departments 12:42 PilzAdam and add a rule somwhere that disallowrs "goodybe" topics 12:43 PilzAdam *disallows 12:44 celeron55 i think i won't 12:44 celeron55 i'm not sure what to do with these; they often contain useful information but they clutter the place 12:44 celeron55 maybe make a section "goodbye threads"? 8D 12:45 PilzAdam or move to offtopic 12:45 BlockMen PilzAdam, that would be best 12:45 BlockMen it doesnt belong to general discussion 12:46 celeron55 i wish i had time and interest for figuring out what actually is wrong with these people 12:47 BlockMen celeron55, -> http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=87565#p87565 12:47 sfan5 i'm still waiting for someone to merge #692 12:49 celeron55 but what the fuck are these people expecting 12:49 celeron55 it kind of sounds like they came to the wrong place in the first place 12:50 BlockMen celeron55, i guess so 12:50 BlockMen -> http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2013-05-01#i_3062104 that would prevent that a bit 12:51 PilzAdam maybe they think they are some awesome game designers and everything else is just completly stupid and wrong 12:51 celeron55 PilzAdam: are you ok with it if i give sfan5 upstream access? 12:51 PilzAdam and all the devs just waited for them to join and follower their awesome ideas 12:51 celeron55 (just a random question from a random committer in case i'm going insane or something) 12:52 PilzAdam its fine I guess 12:52 celeron55 mito551 is kind of respectable for what he does, but i don't understand why he's getting so pissed off 12:53 NakedFury all the excuses used for leaving are bullshit. the only reason I can see the need to post is some kind of move to grab someones atenttion and get a "dont leave man, we need you" post in the topic 12:53 Stcrafts hi 12:53 sfan5 would someone consider this too hacky: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/695/files 12:53 sfan5 s/:/? :/ 12:54 sfan5 woops, wrong chan 12:56 Stcrafts ..I 12:59 jojoa1997 back 12:59 jojoa1997 anything new? 13:01 jojoa1997 is it just me or is yoputube really laggy 13:08 sfan5 MinetestBot just timed out for the first time 13:10 Guest84546 can anyone hear me? 13:10 Stcrafts who know arsdragonfly 13:11 BlockMen if i have a mod called "abc" with global function "abc:do_something()", can i call this function from mod "xyz" by using "abc:do_something()"? 13:13 BlockMen it always throws an nil error 13:15 BlockMen john_minetest, you know a mod that uses functions from farming? 13:16 Zeg9 Hi 13:16 BlockMen hi Zeg9 13:16 BlockMen john_minetest, nvm 13:16 kaeza BlockMen, can you post the error? 13:17 kaeza hey Zeg9 13:17 kaeza BlockMen, maybe you forgot to initialize the global `abc' table 13:18 BlockMen kaeza, nope. and there error is "attempt to call global 'do_something' (a nil value)" 13:19 kaeza hmm... may I take a peek at the code? 13:19 kaeza actually... hmm 13:20 BlockMen you can if i dont solve it next 20 min...im looking at farming and farming_plus to find error ;) 13:20 kaeza does `xyz' mod depend on `abc'? 13:22 VanessaE hi all. 13:22 VanessaE BlockMen: look how I did that for plants_lib. 13:22 VanessaE (the abc:function() idea) 13:25 BlockMen kaeza, dang. i guess that was it. have another error now... 13:25 BlockMen thx man. 13:26 BlockMen VanessaE, thx but i guess it was the depends thing 13:26 kaeza BlockMen, np 13:26 kaeza I also committed the same mistake 13:27 kaeza hi VanessaE 13:27 [0gb_us] VanessaE: You said none of the names you listed sound lite a test. What about your listed "MT Voxel Engine"? Does "MT" stand for something that doesn't include the word "test"? 13:27 VanessaE hi 13:28 VanessaE [0gb_us]: forgot about that one. ask hmmmm :-) 13:29 jojoa1997 Hi [0gb_us], VanessaE' 13:29 jojoa1997 Hi [0gb_us], VanessaE 13:29 [0gb_us] By the way, there is currently another project in very early development called OpenMiner, so you might want to remove that one from the list. 13:29 [0gb_us] Hey, jojoa1997. 13:29 * jojoa1997 ping all! 13:30 [0gb_us] jojoa1997: "ping *" 13:30 kaeza pong 13:30 VanessaE [0gb_us]: well it's not like that poll is gonna go anywhere, anyways 13:30 VanessaE jojoa1997: pong. 13:31 jojoa1997 [0gb_us]: "pong" 13:31 jojoa1997 VanessaE:ping 13:31 jojoa1997 :-D 13:32 * VanessaE throws a handful of expired pings at jojoa1997 13:32 jojoa1997 *ping was banned 13:32 * jojoa1997 /me wars GO! 13:33 VanessaE no. 13:33 * [0gb_us] answers "ping" with "polo", something he saw other people doing on this channel 13:33 jojoa1997 [0gb_us]: marco 13:33 Stcrafts 0.0 13:33 [0gb_us] jojoa1997: Pong. 13:33 sfan5 jojoa1997: ping 13:33 jojoa1997 VanessaE: pong 13:33 jojoa1997 sfan5 pingy 13:34 Stcrafts pingpong 13:34 jojoa1997 Starcrafts marcopolo 13:34 Stcrafts I poor at English... 13:34 * jojoa1997 found an amazing minecraft seed 13:35 kaeza s/craft/test/ 13:35 Zeg9 jojoa1997: pong, delay of 300 seconds, please fix my connection ;) 13:35 jojoa1997 what does s// mean? 13:35 [0gb_us] It's some sort of programmer talk for substitution. 13:35 * jojoa1997 connects Zeg9's computer to mine via usb ?.? 13:35 celeron55 it's a sed command 13:36 jojoa1997 s/amazing/jojoa1997 13:36 jojoa1997 0 13:36 [0gb_us] !g sed 13:36 MinetestBot [0gb_us]: http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/Sed.html 13:36 celeron55 meaning substitution 13:36 jojoa1997 !g 0gb.us 13:36 MinetestBot jojoa1997: https://github.com/0gb-us 13:36 VanessaE jojoa1997: unterminated s command 13:36 jojoa1997 !g VanessaE 13:36 MinetestBot jojoa1997: http://www.vanessae.com/ 13:36 VanessaE wtf? 13:36 celeron55 VanessaE: vim supports those! 13:36 Stcrafts someone know arsdragonfly? 13:36 jojoa1997 yeah i know he was on here earlier 13:37 VanessaE um, that is NOT my website. 13:37 * jojoa1997 dun dun DUN! 13:37 kaeza WOW 13:37 kaeza didn't know you sang :D 13:37 jojoa1997 is it possible to made a craft item show up as a cube? 13:37 [0gb_us] Unlike 0gb.us, VanessaE isn't a globally unique identifier. So there are others. 13:38 jojoa1997 oh wow your british 13:39 jojoa1997 ;-) 13:39 VanessaE [0gb_us]: which is why I use my full name where the venue allows for it. 13:39 VanessaE good luck finding another VanessaEzekowitz out there :) 13:39 jojoa1997 venue? 13:39 [0gb_us] Ah, I see. I forgot about the short name limit on IRC. Is there a limit on the forum then? 13:40 Stcrafts I know minetest only 4 month ，I try to make a mod，but have a lot of problem 13:40 [0gb_us] !g Ezekowitz 13:40 MinetestBot [0gb_us]: http://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/author/jezekowitz/ 13:40 VanessaE jojoa1997: venue /ven you/ (n) 1. A location in which something takes place. 13:40 jojoa1997 Stcrafts what is the prob 13:40 [0gb_us] !g Vanessa Ezekowitz 13:40 MinetestBot [0gb_us]: http://www.gedasymbols.org/user/vanessa_ezekowitz/ 13:40 jojoa1997 paste all your code in here 13:40 VanessaE [0gb_us]: yep, that's mine. 13:41 jojoa1997 and all your debuig.txt 13:41 [0gb_us] I was just about to ask. It seemed like it could be you. 13:41 jojoa1997 >:-D 13:43 [0gb_us] VanessaE: Are you on Facebook? And Launchpad? And Wikipedia? And is your middle initial E? 13:43 VanessaE [0gb_us]: yes on all three. 13:43 Stcrafts :P my english is 13:43 jojoa1997 VanessaE what is your last name? 13:43 BlockMen can i use this global function abc:do_something() to register nodes? 13:44 BlockMen it seems npt 13:44 VanessaE jojoa1997: *facepalm* 13:44 BlockMen *not 13:44 jojoa1997 yes 13:44 [0gb_us] There's a Vanessa E Ezekowitz on Amazon. 13:44 jojoa1997 but you have to make the function register nodes 13:44 Adarqet !g shoes for guns 13:44 MinetestBot Adarqet: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1994-01-20/news/9401200197_1_guns-sawed-off-ballistics 13:44 * jojoa1997 achoo 13:44 VanessaE that's me also, [0gb_us]/ 13:44 VanessaE . 13:45 jojoa1997 [0gb_us] is a stalker 13:45 VanessaE so stalk, see if I give two shits :) 13:45 BlockMen jojoa, ofc. but i get a "does not follow naming conventions" error 13:45 jojoa1997 VanessaE: you give three shits 13:46 [0gb_us] Well, that's only one page of search results, but I'm not really going to keep looking. If you aren't the only Vanessa Ezekowitz, you're certainly the most prominent one. 13:46 Adarqet !g mossberg500 13:46 MinetestBot Adarqet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossberg_500 13:46 jojoa1997 paste your code and error on pastebinj.com 13:46 jojoa1997 pastebin.com 13:46 VanessaE [0gb_us]: yeah, I guess I'm a bit "loud" aren't I? :) 13:47 [0gb_us] You just have a big presence! 13:47 Vanessa_Ezekowit am i? 13:47 Vanessa_Ezekowit do i? 13:47 VanessaE grrrr 13:47 * Vanessa_Ezekowit muwhahaha 13:48 [0gb_us] Lose the underscore, and it'll fit. 13:48 * VanessaEzekowitz muwqhahaha 13:48 VanessaE jojoa: don't. just don't. 13:49 jojoa19978 wtf 13:50 VanessaE haha 13:50 * jojoa1997 watching minecraft parodies 13:51 VanessaEzekowitz there, 13:51 VanessaE back to normal, and protected. :) 13:52 * jojoa1997 VanessaE` 13:52 jojoa1997 ~`~`~`~ 13:52 jojoa1997 lol 13:53 jojoa1997 i just sawe a parody where the player jumped into the end with only a wood sword and leather armor 13:53 Koren heya 13:53 VanessaE hi 13:53 NickParrington Hello. 13:54 jojoa1997 hay 13:54 celeron55 VanessaE: lol, gedasymbols.org 13:54 celeron55 there's a chance i would have used something drawn by you 13:54 VanessaE possible. 13:55 celeron55 probably not though 13:55 jojoa1997 ok so 13:55 celeron55 in any case i've used gEDA for actual PCBs 13:55 VanessaE not unless you're designing c64 stuff 13:55 VanessaE ditto. all of my projects are made with gschem and geda/pcb 13:56 Koren Does this commit broke your game too ? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/a4183994a446a065e3151745b4167270ebae6194 13:56 celeron55 i once tried kicad, or maybe twice 13:56 celeron55 it's horrible 13:56 jojoa1997 so when will held stuff be shown by default and also moving heads 13:56 VanessaE Kray: break it how? 13:56 Kray wat 13:56 VanessaE fak 13:56 VanessaE Koren: break it how? 13:57 Koren The game don't launch because it failed to run builtin.lua 13:57 Koren when I comment dofile(minetest.get_modpath("__builtin").."/features.lua"), game runs 13:57 VanessaE Koren: pastebin the error messages please 13:58 PilzAdam Koren, actually yes 13:58 PilzAdam sfan5, ^ 13:58 PilzAdam 15:56:40: ERROR[main]: /home/adam/Minetest/minetest/bin/../builtin/features.lua:4: '}' expected (to close '{' at line 3) near '=' 13:58 Koren http://pastebin.com/30hgDCaE 13:59 NickParrington Oops. I left the chat, but I meant to clear the scrollback. 13:59 PilzAdam sfan5, its glasslike_framed = true, 13:59 PilzAdam not "glasslike_framed" = true, 13:59 celeron55 either nothing or [""] 13:59 VanessaE why even include true? 13:59 jojoa1997 Koren what is the code 14:00 PilzAdam VanessaE, to make it not nil 14:00 celeron55 they are keys, so they need values 14:00 VanessaE if minetest.features.glasslike_frames then ..... end 14:00 * PilzAdam fixes it 14:00 VanessaE framed* 14:00 sfan5 how i feel: http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/37429751.jpg 14:00 jojoa1997 oh what does glass framed do?\ 14:00 kaeza I guess sfan5 is too much used to python syntax 14:00 sfan5 kaeza: you're right, i use python alo 14:00 sfan5 *a lot 14:00 celeron55 sfan5: this is why nobody wants to merge anything from others; it'll just break something an be a headache :D 14:01 VanessaE PilzAdam: why does it matter if it's nil? wouldn't the absence of the feature in the list imply that it is false? 14:01 VanessaE and therefore its presence is true? 14:01 celeron55 and* 14:01 VanessaE don't overcomplicate it! 14:01 sfan5 celeron55: :D 14:01 PilzAdam https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/b28734c82cdb88228a12a3cac90f51ab9384b653 14:01 sfan5 *deletes newest minetest build from his server* 14:02 kaeza actually, the truth value of nil is false 14:02 NickParrington VanessaE: If not set to true (or something else), it's an unset variable. In Lua, those "disappear". 14:03 VanessaE hrm 14:03 VanessaE good point 14:03 celeron55 VanessaE: setting values of named keys to true is how you do sets in lua 14:03 VanessaE didn't think of it from that standpoint 14:03 PilzAdam VanessaE, http://www.lua.org/pil/ 14:03 PilzAdam :-p 14:04 celeron55 (as well as javascript, and everything else that doesn't specifically include a set container) 14:05 VanessaE PilzAdam: don't. just don't. the PiL is written by Lua experts FOR experts (most of the time, it's been useless to me, in favor of other resources) 14:05 VanessaE celeron55: not a feature I've used before is all. 14:05 thexyz pil is fairly simple 14:05 VanessaE for you. 14:06 sfan5 but lua's stack-based functio calling is not easy to understand 14:06 VanessaE let's not start that again. 14:06 sfan5 +n 14:06 [0gb_us] Hmm? Odd. I usually use either the Minetest API doc or the Lua doc that PilzAdam linked to. 14:06 celeron55 pil is basically all i needed for understanding lua (in addition to the reference)... but whatever 14:07 thexyz sfan5: well, you don't need to know how it works to use it 14:07 thexyz VanessaE: okay 14:07 sfan5 thexyz: thats actually right 14:08 thexyz everything I say is right! 14:08 thexyz (from my point of view, at least) 14:09 thexyz (at the moment of time I say that) 14:09 kaeza thexyz, what if you say "this statement is false"? 14:09 [0gb_us] Then it is false, creating a time space paradox. 14:10 VanessaE [0gb_us]: you mean one of those universe-destroying things? surely it'll only be limited to our galaxy 14:10 [0gb_us] Isn't destroying the universe fun? 14:10 VanessaE sure, if you're a god maybe :) 14:10 jojoa1997 everything I say is right! 14:10 [0gb_us] I don't think time space is localized to our galaxy. 14:10 jojoa1997 sfan how tall am i 14:11 jojoa1997 @Everyone are we minetest-alpha,beta, or delta 14:12 sfan5 brand new win32 build for those interested: http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/c55/minetest-0.4.6-b28734c-win32.7z 14:12 morten771 would the gamma quadrant do? ;-) 14:12 kaeza morten771, wat 14:13 PilzAdam jojoa1997, we are at Minetest 0.4.6 14:13 [0gb_us] 0.4.6 is out now? Yay! 14:13 * [0gb_us] runs off to compile 14:14 jojoa1997 werent we alrady 0.4.6 14:14 [0gb_us] Yeah. 14:14 jojoa1997 so why you need to compile 14:15 [0gb_us] I was pretending to be so far out of the loop, that I didn't even know 0.4.6 was out yet. 14:15 VanessaE jojoa1997: sarcasm FAIL 14:15 Exio VanessaE: what is sarcasm 14:15 Exio >:D 14:15 morten771 stardate 0004.6 in a galaxy where near ours 14:16 * jojoa1997 never heard of sarcas...what? 14:16 [0gb_us] What about incrementing the version upon every commit? 0.4.6.0 would be stable, then 0.4.6.1, 0.4.6.2, et cetera. 14:16 morten771 sar-casm is that a disease? 14:16 [0gb_us] !g sarcasm 14:16 MinetestBot [0gb_us]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm 14:16 PilzAdam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm 14:17 PilzAdam :-( 14:17 jojoa1997 !g seriousness 14:17 MinetestBot jojoa1997: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seriousness 14:17 [0gb_us] PilzAdam: Ha ha, too slow. 14:18 kaeza lol Calinou changed his signature again 14:18 * kaeza loves this guy 14:18 kaeza (or girl...?) 14:19 PilzAdam kaeza, neither of those, its french 14:19 Exio lol 14:19 kaeza PilzAdam, :D 14:19 kaeza he is a hug 14:19 PilzAdam new win build: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4547 14:19 VanessaE heh 14:20 kaeza http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=67257#p67257 14:21 jojoa1997 what is new with this version 14:21 morten771 so... the easiest way to test this out is with wine, or? (I'm on linux mint ~ubuntu10.04) 14:21 PilzAdam as you can tell from the name: stuff 14:21 jojoa1997 Calinouehow do you get vines in minecraft> 14:21 jojoa1997 ? 14:21 VanessaE he isn'tin here, jojoa1997 14:21 PilzAdam morten771, ehm, if you are on linux you shouldnt run win builds 14:22 PilzAdam but yes, Minetest works in wine 14:22 PilzAdam thats how I test my builds 14:22 morten771 aha 14:22 PilzAdam (yes, I test every single build before uploading) 14:25 kaeza offtopic: I'd like to see a reply from celeron55 to that topic :P 14:26 VanessaE new ubuntu 13.04 build up. 14:26 morten771 I suppose I could downloadin the source and make it ofcourse, instead of running the windows build... there is no precompiled linux binaries for me to download, right? 14:26 morten771 oh. 14:26 Exio jojoa1997: you get vines with shears in jungle trees - in swamps - or farming it 14:27 jojoa1997 thanks 14:31 PilzAdam morten771, I strongly recommend compiling yourself 14:32 [0gb_us] I used to use Wine for running dev Minetest too, before I started compiling it. It works, but Minetest is faster OUTSIDE of Winne. 14:32 [0gb_us] *Wine 14:33 jojoa1997 idea! 14:33 [0gb_us] Uh oh. 14:33 * [0gb_us] braces himself 14:33 jojoa1997 i cant remmeber the name but a minecraft movie using the frame byu frame thingy 14:33 jojoa1997 stopmotion movie? 14:35 jojoa1997 what do you think 14:35 [0gb_us] Okay. Is that something you're planning? It sounds hard but fun. 14:35 PilzAdam you havent even told us any idea 14:35 [0gb_us] I think his idea is to create one. 14:35 jojoa1997 yeah a stopmotion movie 14:36 jojoa1997 it would be easy cause i could move block by block 14:36 Exio ? 14:36 Exio frame by frame what 14:36 [0gb_us] Moving that far for each frame would be very jerky. 14:37 jojoa1997 frame by frame shots 14:37 Exio jojoa1997: fps_limit=5 14:37 Exio recordmydesktop 14:37 Exio profit 14:37 jojoa1997 i have a program that does stopmotion movies 14:38 Exio is it opensource 14:38 Exio or do you have a license for using it being l33t - read that as: is it cracked? 14:39 morten771 ok what make system do you use for compiling? 14:40 morten771 and is there a nice source archive file to download or do I have to download from svn or something is I want same version of ther source as the latest windows build? 14:40 PilzAdam https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/README.txt#L80 14:40 PilzAdam ^ morten771 14:44 morten771 ok 15:01 jojoa1997 we need to add one of the multiple current ways to make wool to default 15:02 jojoa1997 and VanessaE i love what ypou did with the new uinified dyes 15:02 VanessaE jojoa1997: flowers_plus. :) 15:02 VanessaE thanks :) 15:02 jojoa1997 oh yeah' 15:02 jojoa1997 VanessaE i will be having white dye(bonemeal) spawn all the flowers 15:03 VanessaE self-replicating white dandelions? :) 15:03 jojoa1997 no 15:03 jojoa1997 bonemal spawns flowers 15:03 VanessaE jojoa1997: default dyes/flowers turn white dandelions into white dye. 15:03 jojoa1997 i know 15:04 jojoa1997 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQCnkWeq7fM 15:06 [0gb_us] PilzAdam wants the way to get wool to be his farming, added to common. So that's what's probably going to happen. 15:08 VanessaE meh 15:08 jojoa1997 i know but PilzAdam add your farming already 15:21 jojoa1997 forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php??pid=87627#p87627 15:21 Calinou prepend "http://" before so that it is clickable by xchat users ;) 15:22 VanessaE Bad request. The link you followed is incorrect or outdated. 15:22 Calinou same 15:22 Exio ^ 15:22 Calinou VanessaE: merged pull request 15:22 VanessaE Calinou: thanks 15:22 jojoa1997 forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=87627#p87627 15:22 VanessaE I had the same prob in homedecor after converting to 6d. What's odd is I know I tested that. *shrug* it works now. 15:22 jojoa1997 this is what i get for manually typing it 15:23 Calinou you can convert MC packs to minetest easily now, rename files, color grass/leaves 15:23 Calinou for torches and cactus it's going to be a little more complicated, though 15:24 Zeg9 Hi again 15:24 VanessaE am I the only one who tries not to show custom textures and shaders when taking a screenshot for publication? 15:24 sfan5 brb, restarting computer 15:24 jojoa1997 Calinou i have already converted it with a .bat file but i cant to the color changes(grass, leaves), torches, and the cacti are a problem 15:24 VanessaE jojoa1997: imagemagick. 15:24 Calinou heh, steam needs to "convert TF2 data into a new file format" 15:24 jojoa1997 i mean i cant get the colorization right 15:24 Calinou doing it :P 15:25 Calinou hi Zeg9 15:25 Calinou I still can't log in to your server, can you reset my password please? 15:25 jojoa1997 VanessaE gimp it 15:25 Zeg9 Oh, it isn't started yet. 15:25 BlockMen bye everyone 15:25 Exio jojoa1997: .bat lol 15:25 VanessaE jojoa1997: use imagemagick for command-line work. makes it very easy to script things. 15:25 * Zeg9 will backup the world and start his server 15:25 jojoa1997 Exio it works on all windows computers and it is really fast 15:26 * Calinou doesn't even know what's the command to name files on windows 15:26 Calinou on windows, I know these commands: dir, del, ipconfig, cd 15:26 Calinou nothing else :P 15:26 Exio jojoa1997: bash is 1337% more powerful and haz 9001% more stuff 15:26 jojoa1997 Exio by me a new computer to put linux on 15:26 VanessaE over 9000, meh 15:26 VanessaE that meme is old. 15:26 VanessaE old meme is old. 15:26 VanessaE (almost blew the chance ;) ) 15:27 jojoa1997 Calinou ren blockIron.png "default_steel_block.png" 15:27 Exio VanessaE: the irc is old 15:27 Calinou jojoa1997: if you're scared of dual boot, you can buy a separate HDD/SSD 15:27 [0gb_us] VanessaE: Yeah, I've noticed people like taking shots in their custom textures. 15:27 Calinou TIL a new windows command :D 15:28 Zeg9 VanessaE, [0gb_us] for mod releases and pull requests, I use default textures; else I don't see any problem using a texture pack 15:28 jojoa1997 Calinou i cant install linux on my computer end of story. Tell me to use linux is like saying ok let me buy you a computer for YOU to own 15:28 VanessaE Calinou: two words: overzealous parents. 15:28 jojoa1997 VanessaE: one word mom 15:28 Exio jojoa1997: you live in usa 15:28 Exio you can get your own super-computer for half of the money, of here 15:28 jojoa1997 anways i would like you guys to code something in bash 15:29 Calinou virtualize it then 15:29 Calinou if you don't want to play games in virtualbox, you do not need a beefy CPU 15:29 * Zeg9 just started his server back 15:29 [0gb_us] Zeg9: Some people use custom textures even in releases though. 15:30 VanessaE guys, jojoa1997's computer is locked-down by his mom in such a way as to make it impossible to clandestinely install software such as a virtual machine or a dual-boot OS. 15:30 Zeg9 Yeah, or post processing on screenshots 15:30 Exio how can he use MT then 15:30 VanessaE Zeg9: which is fucking irritating. :-/ 15:30 VanessaE make it look like what the downloader would see initially. 15:30 Zeg9 jojoa1997, this sucks 15:30 VanessaE Exio: I am not sure 15:30 jojoa1997 Exio it is on a very specified lockdown 15:31 Exio you can use a VM - like you can play MT 15:31 Calinou MT runs at 30FPS for me in vbox 15:31 jojoa1997 also i have many backlups of minetest so when she deletes one i can use another 15:31 Calinou sometimes more 15:31 Zeg9 What about having a special executable that will write the OS to a cd, would it be locked by dictator software? 15:32 sfan5 a lockdown software can't always win 15:32 Calinou lockdown software? reinstall windows :trollface: 15:32 sfan5 e.g. you write a xor encrypten os to a usb stick 15:32 VanessaE guys, you are advocating that a 14 year old should violate his parents rules. 15:32 jojoa1997 it isnt lockdown software 15:32 jojoa1997 VanessaE cough cough 15 15:33 Exio you look like 12 tbh 15:33 Zeg9 rules are here to be broken 15:33 * sfan5 agrees with Exio 15:33 VanessaE ok 15 then. 15:33 VanessaE whatever. 15:33 sfan5 <jojoa1997> it isnt lockdown software 15:33 sfan5 what then? 15:34 jojoa1997 Zeg9 broken rules=consequences 15:34 Zeg9 True... 15:34 Calinou well, there is no solution if you can't install software freely 15:34 jojoa1997 consequences=no computer(no minetest) and no tablet(no minetest online) 15:35 jojoa1997 Calinou i can but it never seems to work and i am not changing my computers code 15:35 sfan5 "i am not changing my computers code" what? 15:35 VanessaE he means the OS. 15:35 jojoa1997 guys just drop it 15:36 jojoa1997 i have had this same discussion with you all 3-5 times already 15:36 sfan5 drop it? well the listen to dubstep 15:36 * jojoa1997 smart aleck 15:37 Exio use the /me for things in third person, and check what you write 15:37 [0gb_us] If you want it dropped, then quit asking how to do the impossible. You ask how to do things that you can't do without installing things. 15:37 jojoa1997 Exio i did that on purpose >:-) 15:37 Zeg9 [unrelated] How can I tell firefox to stop asking me to install flash? (not installing icecat or iceweasel or whatever) 15:37 jojoa1997 [0gb_us] i didnt 15:38 Exio Zeg9: install swfdef! 15:38 Calinou Zeg9: by installing flash 15:38 Zeg9 ... 15:38 [0gb_us] Okay, I thought you did. I'm glad I wasn't one of the people telling you to install Linux this time then. 15:38 Calinou works for me under chromium. 15:38 jojoa1997 i think it started here when jojoa1997: bash is 1337% more powerful and haz 9001% more stuff 15:38 VanessaE Zeg9: install gnash. maybe that'll shut it up? 15:38 jojoa1997 said i should uuse linux for the abilities of bash 15:38 Zeg9 I mean, I don't want any flash implementation 15:38 Calinou instead, you'll get pruple flicker everywhere 15:39 [0gb_us] When does it ask for Flash? Just in times a page wants it? 15:39 Calinou and occasionally a pony will appear and say something insightful 15:39 Zeg9 [0gb_us], yes 15:39 VanessaE Zeg9: then use a flashblocker to stop the applets from loading? 15:39 Calinou you can install flash then set it to run on click only 15:39 Calinou chromium can do that 15:39 Calinou or use a flashblock 15:39 Zeg9 I have noscript already, but when I enable javascript,... it enables flash too 15:39 [0gb_us] Well, if a page "needs" flash, I think your browser will try to get you to install it. I'm not sure current Firefox is set up to allow you to disable that. 15:40 Exio i use flashblock - separated"ly" 15:40 Zeg9 I'll look in about:config 15:40 * [0gb_us] likes about:config, it lets him disable that annoying URI "trimming" setting 15:40 Zeg9 I think this should do it: plugins.hide_infobar_for_missing_plugin 15:41 Zeg9 Thanks for your help :P 15:41 Calinou "Error 300 (net::ERR_INVALID_URL) : Unknown error" chromium, that's insightful 15:41 [0gb_us] That'll hide all plugin requests though, right? Is that what you're wanting? 15:41 Calinou I tried to do about:config :P 15:43 * [0gb_us] wonders if he has flash installed 15:43 Calinou by default it is installed on *buntus 15:44 [0gb_us] !g Do I have Flash installed? 15:44 MinetestBot [0gb_us]: http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/find-version-flash-player.html 15:44 [0gb_us] I thought 'buntu had only free software, so no FLash, by default. 15:45 [0gb_us] But I did click the option to install third party stuff, which isn'[t default, so I might have it. 15:45 [0gb_us] Yeah, according to the test, I have Flash. 15:47 ShadowNinja sfan5: If you want to add features to phenny you should add this: Ability to trigger a command both with the prifix and by addressing it by name, like ShadowBot. 15:48 Calinou [0gb_us]: nope, it's far from fully FOSS 15:48 [0gb_us] ShadowBot: assemble the troops. Tonight, we invade. 15:48 [0gb_us] Calinou: My bad then. 15:49 Calinou proprietary firmware is always installed, MP3/flash codecs are installed if wanted ("install third party software"), proprietary drivers available 15:49 ShadowNinja [0gb_us]: Disabled for normal users while MinetestBot is around. 15:49 Calinou now please don't turn this into a FOSS debate :) 15:49 [0gb_us] I read that Ubuntu merged Gobuntu with the main project due to Ubuntu having a fully FOSS option. 15:50 Exio the only way to do that, in 9.10 at least, was with an option in the syslinux when the livecd boots 15:51 [0gb_us] And by the way Calinou, I'm only anti-Windows, not anti-proprietary software in general. I use proprietary software myself, and I also understand developers have to eat. 15:51 rubenwardy hi all 15:51 [0gb_us] Hey, rubenwardy. 15:51 Calinou hi rubenwardy 15:51 * Calinou connects to sky hardcore 15:52 rubenwardy not this proprietary debate agin 15:52 rubenwardy *again 15:52 Calinou WTF, I'm downloading at 604KB/s from steam 15:52 Calinou :D 15:52 [0gb_us] I'm not debating. Is someone debating? 15:52 Calinou I'm not rubenwardy 15:52 Calinou Calinou> now please don't turn this into a FOSS debate :) 15:52 [0gb_us] And we didn't. Yay! 15:52 celeron55 maybe i should add the "celeron55 hates FOSS zealots" text back on the homepage (that it had in 2011) 8) 15:53 VanessaE hey ruben 15:53 Zeg9 Sorry... I shouldn't have talked about this. 15:53 [0gb_us] !g zealots 15:53 MinetestBot [0gb_us]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealotry 15:53 Zeg9 Hi, rubenwardy 15:53 Calinou "celeron55 hates OOP zealots, FOSS zealots, smalltalk, perfectionism and noobs. 8)" 15:53 Calinou I still remember that :P 15:55 rubenwardy popular today 15:55 rubenwardy How is ye oll? 15:55 rubenwardy (How is everyone) 15:55 Calinou aww, there's one person on sky hardcore, presumably Guest9770 15:56 VanessaE doing okay here. 15:56 jojoa1997 what is sky hardcore 15:56 jojoa1997 ? 15:56 Calinou an hardcore server 15:56 jojoa1997 minecaft or minetest? 15:56 Calinou that Guest9770 has a lot of stuff including mese sword, which is OP :P 15:57 [0gb_us] I'm doing well. And you, rubenwardy? 15:57 Calinou minetest 15:57 jojoa1997 what is adress 15:57 rubenwardy Good thanks 15:57 Calinou see public server list: http://servers.minetest.net 15:57 rubenwardy Thinking about playing with the food mod a bit 15:57 [0gb_us] In a couple moths, I'll probably be getting World of Goo. Has anyone played that? 15:58 [0gb_us] *months 15:58 jojoa1997 CAlinou i see no sky hardcore setrver 15:59 rubenwardy I can 15:59 Calinou there is one 15:59 rubenwardy #7 15:59 Calinou .net not .ru 15:59 Calinou Sky hardcore testing new features. liquid, mapgen, dungeons, floatislands. CAN BE RESTARTED OR WIPED AT ANY TIME 15:59 Calinou 80.240.216.69:30010 15:59 ShadowNinja ShadowBot: server --name Sky 15:59 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: Sky hardcore | 80.240.216.69:30010 | Clients: 1/3 | Version: 0.4.6 | ping: 0.161 16:00 rubenwardy lol 16:01 Calinou who will get Guest9770 first? that is the question! 16:08 rubenwardy Is default:dry_shrub still generated? 16:08 Calinou yep 16:08 Calinou in deserts 16:08 VanessaE yes 16:08 VanessaE and by junglegrass mod. 16:10 jojoa1997 are there gold tools? 16:11 jojoa1997 3 DIAMONDS! 16:11 jojoa1997 should i craft a sword or a pick? 16:11 VanessaE no. 16:11 VanessaE unless moreores still has those 16:11 VanessaE a pick, of course. 16:12 jojoa1997 why? 16:12 VanessaE because you need mining tools more than you need defense tools? 16:12 Calinou unless you're playing pvp, zero need for sword 16:12 Calinou but diamond sword is OP :P 16:12 VanessaE surely you'll save your swords for fighting mobs and the picks for everything else 16:13 jojoa1997 well since i only have one stick 16:13 Calinou swords have infinite durability when not using them to mine leaves :P 16:13 VanessaE you only have one stick? poor materials management :) 16:13 * jojoa1997 crying: its so pretty 16:14 VanessaE when playing survival, I always keep up to a full stack of tree trunks on hand, and usually a stack of steel, or cobble if I don't have it. 16:14 jojoa1997 yeah well i have 5 other ones also 16:14 hylian is there a map or something? I would like to go spelunking but find my way back "home" afterwards.. also, is there a mod that adds towns like minecaft has? 16:14 VanessaE in addition to a stack of coal 16:14 Calinou hylian: minetestmapper.py can make surface maps 16:14 Calinou other than that, no 16:14 VanessaE towns? sokomine's random buildings mod. 16:14 VanessaE and traders mod 16:14 VanessaE those add such 16:14 VanessaE I think 16:14 Calinou there are quite a lot of mods that add towns and structures 16:15 jojoa1997 sfan5 did you fall? 16:15 Calinou VanessaE: this gave me an idea, how about adding tags for mod types instead of the obnoxious [Mod]? 16:15 hylian are the towns filled with some npc's to buy stuff from? I am mostly interested in that.. 16:16 VanessaE Calinou: not a bad idea as long as the categories are laid out ahead of time - i.e. mod authors should not be able to just make them up 16:16 Calinou eg. STRUCT for structures, ORE for ores, DECO for decorative, MECH for mechanisms (mesecons), FARM for farm-like stuff, MOB and so on 16:16 Calinou bukkit does that :P 16:16 Calinou (well, bukkit plugins) 16:16 [0gb_us] I keep a stack of trees and mese on hand, but never iron. 16:16 Calinou 6 people on sky hardcore, that's a lot 16:17 VanessaE [0gb_us]: iron isn't rare. there's no reason to hoard it :) 16:17 Calinou it's kinda rare :P 16:17 [0gb_us] THe reason to hoard it is that it is the only thing of value. So yes, there's a reason. 16:17 VanessaE not really. of course, I haven't played survival actively since around 0.4.4 :P 16:17 hylian well thanks. i like the idea of npc's to interact with. otherwise the world feels kind of empty... and most of the time I cant play online, (crappy internet) 16:18 [0gb_us] If half the nodes in the game were iron ore, I'd still hoard iron. 16:18 VanessaE [0gb_us]: but it has no value if it's too common 16:18 hylian because it cuts through rock so much better than stone? I hear you there. 16:19 hylian bye 16:19 [0gb_us] VanessaE: It's the ONLY thing you can make nodes that vandals can't break out of. THAT'S where it gets its value from, not rarity. 16:20 jojoa1997 0gb_us what about obsidian 16:20 jojoa1997 and iron isnt even a block 16:20 VanessaE [0gb_us]: you mean like steel blocks? a mese pick makes quick work of those.. although a vandal is unlikely to have one. 16:20 [0gb_us] jojoa1997: Other players can break obsidian. 16:20 rubenwardy Is it possible to have a modpack in a modpack? 16:20 VanessaE rubenwardy: yes 16:20 rubenwardy cool 16:20 VanessaE but it isn't recommended. 16:21 [0gb_us] And steel doors and locked chests are the only two nodes that defend themselves. 16:21 rubenwardy It is just for my local mod folder 16:21 [0gb_us] VanessaE: Not steel blocks, locked blocks. 16:21 VanessaE oh 16:21 rubenwardy I want to keep all my food mods together, and I might make one of them a mod pack 16:21 VanessaE rubenwardy: moretrees has a few foods now, btw :) 16:22 rubenwardy ah cool 16:22 rubenwardy may add support 16:22 rubenwardy when I sort this shit out 16:22 jojoa1997 just get monkeys :-) 16:22 VanessaE fwiw: raw coconut, coconut milk, acorn muffins, and various roasted nuts 16:23 rubenwardy the "shit" is sorting this out: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/my_mods/food/ 16:24 [0gb_us] The only safe node is a locked node. And there are only five locked nodes, all made from iron. (four are all the locked door, it's a technicality) All five require iron to make, making iron the only vanilla anti-vandal tool. THough it doesn't prevent vandals from filling such a building with their own unbreakable nodes, unless you plan out your building VERY well. 16:24 rubenwardy and making a better structure 16:25 Calinou lol 16:25 Calinou guest9770 teleports near me, I jump IRL 16:26 Calinou [0gb_us]: locked chests can't be broken by other people 16:26 Calinou :> 16:26 [0gb_us] Exactly my point, Calinou. 16:26 Calinou anyway, I fail to understand how Guest9770 got that much resources 16:26 [0gb_us] Locked chests and locked doors are the only things vandals can't destroy. 16:26 Calinou I've saw his bones once: mese tools and sword, gold, iron 16:27 * jojoa1997 places tnt 16:27 Calinou on sky hardcore... it's impossible to get decent resources there 16:27 Calinou my best is stone tools and sword 16:27 Calinou and as soon as I log in back, i'll die 16:27 [0gb_us] That's why I prize iron above all else in the game. 16:27 Calinou mese and diamond swords are OP, again 16:27 Calinou and diamond/mese axes/shovels are useless 16:27 VanessaE OP? 16:27 Calinou overpowered 16:27 VanessaE oh 16:27 Calinou one hit does like 8 health points :P 16:28 jojoa1997 can we set homes? 16:28 Calinou nope 16:28 [0gb_us] Yeah, I didn't know "OP" either. 16:28 * [0gb_us] wishes people would spell out their words 16:29 jojoa1997 Calinou wanna team up? 16:32 jojoa1997 O.o 16:32 Calinou meh, no 16:32 Calinou i'm being chased by guest :P 16:32 jojoa1997 ifell down to 193 and survivaed thanks to loading terrain 16:33 jojoa1997 O.O 16:33 jojoa1997 there is soo much diamonds here 16:33 Calinou "ignore" should deal falldamage imo 16:33 jojoa1997 now to think of it it is ironic 16:34 jojoa1997 cause when terrain loaded i fell inot a pond 16:34 [0gb_us] Sometimes there's something to break your fall JUST below the ignore though. It wouldn't be fair to have ignore deal damage. 16:34 jojoa1997 though i woul have been damaged from hitting bottom 16:34 [0gb_us] I think ignore shouldn't slow your decent though. 16:35 VanessaE bbl 16:35 [0gb_us] Bye. 16:38 Calinou lol, tried to enter pyrovision 16:38 * Calinou presses P 16:38 Calinou game quits 16:38 Calinou is pyrovision xchat? 16:38 Calinou I doubt :) 16:50 khonkhortisan I can fall down a cliff then jump on a ledge from the air 16:51 khonkhortisan if the cliff was the right height, I could walk off the edge, then fall like in cartoons 16:56 Calinou yea 17:21 ShadowNinja I lowered ShadowBot's message flood detection, it was pretty much the same as freenodes limits anyway, It will also activate faster, 5 messages in 15 seconds 17:22 jojoa1997 but that is no fair 17:22 jojoa1997 why 17:22 jojoa1997 wouyld 17:22 jojoa1997 yoiu do ythat 17:22 jojoa1997 why' 17:23 jojoa1997 :-D 17:23 ShadowNinja hmmm 17:23 ShadowNinja And it won't work in annother channel 17:23 khonkhortisan ShadowBot, 17:24 khonkhortisan ShadowBot, you 17:24 khonkhortisan ShadowBot, you should 17:24 khonkhortisan ShadowBot, you should kick 17:24 khonkhortisan ShadowBot, you should kick me 17:24 PilzAdam wtf 17:24 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, turn that shit off 17:24 jojoa1997 so it kicks you if you have bad words huh 17:24 ShadowNinja I fixed it 17:24 ShadowNinja Not here 17:24 jojoa1997 oh :/ 17:25 ShadowNinja Well ten bad words in one message is a ban, but normal detection is off 17:25 jojoa1997 fuck 17:25 jojoa1997 fuck 17:25 jojoa1997 fuck 17:25 jojoa1997 fuck 17:26 jojoa1997 fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck 17:26 ShadowNinja Nooo :-( 17:26 ShadowNinja !op 17:26 PilzAdam wtf 17:26 ShadowNinja !deop 17:26 PilzAdam that bot even gives you OP? 17:26 ShadowNinja Yes 17:27 sfan5 !op 17:27 MinetestBot AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'split' (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/chop.py", line 165, in op) 17:27 khonkhortisan !op 17:27 khonkhortisan just checking... 17:27 sfan5 damnit MinetestBot 17:27 rubenwardy d 17:27 jojoa1997 sorry i thought 10 bad words meant a kick 17:27 * PilzAdam is 100% against this bots 17:27 ShadowNinja Well test that somewhere elso 17:27 jojoa1997 PilzAdam +1 17:28 rubenwardy sdsd 17:28 rubenwardy D 17:28 rubenwardy D 17:28 rubenwardy D 17:28 rubenwardy D 17:28 rubenwardy D 17:28 sfan5 !deop 17:28 MinetestBot AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'split' (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/chop.py", line 177, in deop) 17:28 ShadowNinja If you want I can disable it 17:28 rubenwardy lol 17:28 khonkhortisan just don't get yourself banned 17:28 ShadowNinja It was designed for LM 17:28 khonkhortisan if you can't spam, there's no point :) 17:28 ShadowNinja VanessaE sugested it be a ban 17:28 PilzAdam just deop the bots 17:29 ShadowNinja :-( 17:30 ShadowNinja Should it only be a kick? 17:30 sfan5 MinetestBot: reload chop.py 17:30 MinetestBot sfan5: chop.py: no such module! 17:30 sfan5 MinetestBot: reload chop 17:30 MinetestBot sfan5: (version: 2013-05-01 17:31:43) 17:31 PilzAdam the bots shouldnt kick or ban anyone 17:31 sfan5 my bot doesn't auto-ban anyone 17:31 ShadowNinja Well the point was to prevent spam 17:31 PilzAdam you produce more spa, 17:31 PilzAdam *spam 17:31 ShadowNinja If you want I can disable it here 17:31 sfan5 !op 17:31 sfan5 !deop 17:32 khonkhortisan !op 17:32 khonkhortisan * MinetestBot ignores khonkhortisan 17:32 sfan5 khonkhortisan: even if you take my nick, it matches by hostmaks 17:32 sfan5 *hostmask 17:32 khonkhortisan cool 17:32 ShadowNinja sfan5: You should probably send the reload messages in private 17:32 sfan5 ShadowNinja: yeah 17:33 sfan5 !mute testest 17:33 sfan5 !unmute testtest 17:33 sfan5 !unmute testest 17:34 ShadowNinja Shouldn't it be a nick or host mute? 17:35 jin_xi !derp 17:35 MinetestBot jin_xi: command not found, maybe you wanted to try "rm -Rfv /" 17:36 PilzAdam why does this bot spam so much? 17:36 ShadowNinja sfan5: from a PM ^ 17:36 ShadowNinja -: 17:38 khonkhortisan Can one bot kick the other for spam? 17:38 sfan5 ops can't kick ops IIRC 17:39 sfan5 !op sfan5 17:39 * ShadowBot wakes up 17:39 sfan5 ..they can 17:39 ShadowNinja khonkhortisan: Yes, unless I give MinetestBot the nopunish capability 17:39 * ShadowBot sleeps 17:39 sfan5 !deop 17:39 ShadowNinja sfan5: You are thinking of halfops 17:40 sfan5 yes 17:42 iqualfragile i hope that wont work 17:42 iqualfragile !op iqualfragile 17:42 ShadowNinja It only kicks now 17:43 iqualfragile good 17:43 ShadowNinja iqualfragile: Both bots match by host 17:43 khonkhortisan !kick khonkhortisan 17:44 * khonkhortisan was kicked by MinetestBot (#minetest) 17:44 * khonkhortisan (~kyle@c-76-121-156-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #minetest 17:45 * ShadowNinja has a different kick/join message 17:45 khonkhortisan it works! 17:45 khonkhortisan oh 17:45 ShadowNinja lol 17:45 khonkhortisan I did the kick differently 17:45 khonkhortisan mine is actually sfan5 has kicked MinetestBot from #minetest (MinetestBot) 17:46 ShadowNinja MinetestBot was kicked from #minetest by sfan5 [MinetestBot] 17:46 jin_xi fuckin bot fuckers, stop the fucking spam already if you wanna stop spam 17:46 khonkhortisan chop? 17:47 sfan5 that kick msg was suggested by rubenwardy 17:47 [0gb_us] Reaper chop? 17:47 ShadowNinja Short, mine is something like three sentences ;-) 17:47 sfan5 no,no 17:47 rubenwardy hmm 17:47 khonkhortisan Mine says "MinetestBot has kicked jin_xi from #minetest (CHOP!)" and yours says "jin_xi was kicked from #minetest by MinetestBot (CHOP!)" 17:47 ShadowNinja no, [CHOP!] 17:47 khonkhortisan o 17:53 sfan5 now we can do anything loggingbot is not ..... wait 17:53 rubenwardy what happened? 17:53 sfan5 netsplit 17:53 rubenwardy ? 17:54 khonkhortisan http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-05-01#i_3063235 17:54 rubenwardy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit 17:59 ShadowNinja sfan5: I have already implemented mass hilight protection btw 18:02 thexyz wait, wtf is happening 18:03 thexyz sex sex sex sex sex 18:05 * ShadowBot wakes up 18:06 thexyz go fix the damn thing 18:06 khonkhortisan I think I can say a 4x4 table of a swear word, and avoid both the swearing kick and the spamming kick 18:07 thexyz seriously, what the fuck 18:07 thexyz disable that shit 18:07 Jordach yeah 18:08 Jordach no bots allowed as op 18:08 thexyz that too 18:08 thexyz but it seems I lost that argument 18:08 ShadowNinja thexyz: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-04-28#i_3056934 It doesn't do anyting about only a few ones 18:08 Jordach of i hacked it; i can do damage 18:08 Jordach if* 18:09 PilzAdam thexyz, just kick all bots 18:09 PilzAdam they just spam 18:09 PilzAdam and are annyoing 18:10 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/ACftVQh.png 18:10 Jordach the new name topic has a ton of posts 18:10 thexyz *views 18:10 khonkhortisan I can't click the link in the image 18:10 PilzAdam khonkhortisan, oh no! 18:10 PilzAdam your computer is broken! 18:10 PilzAdam throw it away! 18:11 thexyz ShadowNinja: doesn't ShadowBot kick users who send too many messages? 18:11 khonkhortisan "If I do a search, will I lose the other tabs?" 18:11 thexyz > Another one of the bad ideas the lead devs have. 18:11 ShadowNinja thexyz: yes, five in ten seconds, although that can be disabled if you want 18:12 khonkhortisan There's someone that's using the drop-down menu on the url bar as the history, and refuses to be shown where the long history is 18:12 thexyz didn't you know? all bad ideas come from the devs 18:12 Jordach that is like me asking if the engine is closed source 18:12 thexyz ShadowNinja: that seems more reasonable 18:12 khonkhortisan I thought you said 15 seconds 18:12 Jordach thexyz, yeah 18:12 Jordach did you see me and c55 talking about 0.3.x 18:14 Jordach hey hmmmm 18:14 Jordach you deserved that netsplit 18:14 khonkhortisan Is it worth getting kicked if I spam what loggingbot missed? 18:14 Jordach probably not 18:16 ShadowNinja khonkhortisan: You can do it slowly, as it stands it is just a little faster and barely lower than freenodes flood limits. 18:17 * ShadowBot sleeps 18:17 sfan5 !badword disable 18:17 MinetestBot done. 18:17 sfan5 thexyz: you could also just disable it yourself 18:18 sfan5 !deop 18:18 Jordach sfan5, thats just lazy 18:18 sfan5 <thexyz> go fix the damn thing 18:18 Jordach you could have used /deop sfan5 18:18 sfan5 what is wrong? 18:18 Jordach (or whatever the cmd is) 18:19 Jordach thank fuck we got rid of the swearing filter. 18:19 PilzAdam sfan5, MinetestBot spams more than anyone else 18:19 Jordach this laptop is better on internet than my tower pc \o/ 18:20 sfan5 PilzAdam: what type of spam? 18:20 Jordach !server 18:20 MinetestBot UnboundLocalError: local variable 'cfuncs' referenced before assignment (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/server.py", line 221, in server) 18:20 Jordach !tw 18:20 MinetestBot Jordach: Give me a link, a username, or a tweet id 18:20 PilzAdam that ^ 18:20 Jordach see 18:20 Jordach MinetestBot just breaks too often# 18:20 Jordach -# 18:20 Jordach and its got a whole array of useless shit 18:21 Jordach !tw @jeb_ 18:21 MinetestBot Jordach: Give me a link, a username, or a tweet id 18:21 Jordach !tw jeb_ 18:21 MinetestBot Our appearance in TIME made Norwegian news: http://p3.no/filmpolitiet/2013/04/de-som-beveger-verden/ Always funny when they think Minecraft "reminds of the 80's," though :P (@jeb_) 18:21 Jordach ^ thats the worst# 18:21 sfan5 if you use your microwave to burn down someones house, its not the microwave's fault 18:21 Jordach bots will never replace human ops 18:21 Jordach because they cant reason 18:21 sfan5 like that, if you use an irc bot for spamming its not the bots fault 18:22 Jordach uhm yes 18:22 Jordach a nick is a entity 18:22 ShadowNinja sfan5: does yours auto-ignore after too many commands? 18:22 Jordach no one knows what we look like behind the text 18:22 sfan5 ShadowNinja: i disabled that feature because it lead to confusion 18:23 PilzAdam the only useful function of the bot is the !up command, but people tend to abuse it 18:23 Jordach like markveidamanis 18:23 PilzAdam so, the whole thing is useless 18:23 Jordach i could !server 18:23 ShadowNinja I would agree that bots won't replace ops, but they can be a help. 18:23 Jordach !server 18:23 MinetestBot UnboundLocalError: local variable 'cfuncs' referenced before assignment (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/server.py", line 221, in server) 18:23 sfan5 Jordach: markveidemanis is auto ignored 18:23 Jordach sfan5, alt nicks 18:24 Jordach and anyways 18:24 Jordach if a spammer does come along 18:24 Jordach im pretty sure some auto script can kick someone for using more than 40 lines a time 18:24 Jordach eg, lm 18:24 Jordach (unless they use one liners.) 18:24 sfan5 40 lines, that limit is a bit high 18:24 sfan5 !server 18:24 MinetestBot UnboundLocalError: local variable 'cargs' referenced before assignment (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/server.py", line 223, in server) 18:25 sfan5 damnit 18:25 ShadowNinja sfan5: how about you use a testing channel, like #botwar 18:25 [0gb_us] Bots can't reason? Well, maybe not now, but one day, maybe. 18:26 Jordach [0gb_us], what is this? terminator 2? 18:26 khonkhortisan I couldn't convince a bot it wasn't human 18:26 Jordach because it knows its a bot 18:27 [0gb_us] No. I don't watch movies. But someone said bots will never replace human operators because they can't reason. I think "never" and "currently can't reason" sort of don't work together. 18:27 sfan5 !server 18:27 MinetestBot sfan5: Spanish Server | 198.211.125.161 | Clients: 1/50 | Version: 0.4.6 minetest | ping: 0.120 18:27 khonkhortisan people will never use git because it isn't pre-installed 18:28 [0gb_us] I hate git, and it isn't preinstalled for my system. I use it anyway. 18:29 [0gb_us] It's overly complicated. It gets easier to use as you get used to it, but that doesn't fix the issue that it's overly complicated. 18:29 Exio i don't like or like git, but it makes stuff easier than doing it by hand 18:29 Jordach [0gb_us], they made a nice windows git clien 18:29 Jordach client* 18:30 [0gb_us] Windows is insecure. Using it is not advisable. 18:30 kaeza lol not this crap again 18:30 Jordach bullshit, nmines secure as fuck 18:30 Jordach -n 18:30 Jordach i have two routers 18:30 [0gb_us] Windows being secure is not possible. 18:31 [0gb_us] If you have routers, that's not Windows itself being secure. 18:31 kaeza [0gb_us], [citation needed] 18:31 kaeza (or actually [experience needed]) 18:31 [0gb_us] Assuming the routers are even helping, which may or may not be the case. 18:32 [0gb_us] Do your research. Windows is insecure as heck. 18:32 kaeza [0gb_us], would you mind actually testing for yourself before mindlessly bashing against Windows? 18:32 Jordach [0gb_us], windows' security has improved since vista 18:32 Jordach and guess what the major cause of security issues is 18:32 Jordach THE USER 18:32 kaeza ^ 18:32 Jordach they just click yes to everything 18:32 Jordach because they dont read 18:32 Jordach they expect no harm when UAC is blaring in their FACE 18:33 [0gb_us] Yet the user isn't so insecure on other systems. Meaning it is the system to blame, or at least the system could have prevented it. 18:33 [0gb_us] Either way, Windows is insecure. 18:33 kaeza lol 18:33 Jordach [0gb_us], just because the user is the problem, doesnt mean the system shouldnt have to be proactive all the time 18:33 Jordach the system must warn the user if system files are being changed. 18:34 Jordach (which UAC does already) 18:34 [0gb_us] However, when there are systems that easily protect all the time, how can you say that a system that doesn't is a good system? 18:34 Jordach no security is the best security 18:35 Jordach windows nhas basic OS Protection 18:35 [0gb_us] Also, if you don't want to talk security, Windows is unbelievably bloated, and takes up a lot of system resources. 18:35 Jordach it doesnt mean it stops everything 18:35 Jordach [0gb_us], BULL 18:35 Jordach vista runs bettr than xp for me 18:35 [0gb_us] And when I run Windows, it likes to crash on me a lot. On a CLEAN install of Windows. 18:35 Jordach [0gb_us], your hardware must be old 18:35 Exio [0gb_us]: linux can be insecure with idiot users, want an example? look at 80% of the ubuntu user base 18:36 Jordach zing 18:36 kaeza ^ 18:36 [0gb_us] As insecure as Windows? I highly doubt that. 18:36 Exio random users what have no idea what they are doing and if they read "rm -rf / makes your system faster zomg!" they will do that 18:36 [0gb_us] Any system can be messed up in some way. 18:36 Jordach yes 18:36 Exio if it says 'this is a joke' in red, they will not read it 18:36 Exio because it was AFTER the command 18:36 Jordach Linux is not better than windows 18:37 Exio linux is better because opensourceness 18:37 Jordach in any form of security 18:37 Jordach ** 18:37 [0gb_us] EVERYTHING is better than Windows. Linux is no exception. 18:37 kaeza lol 18:37 khonkhortisan single-character line endings are better 18:37 Exio linux lacks some stuff 18:37 [0gb_us] OS X, DOS, BSD, ... all better. 18:37 Exio like the lastest and supercool(tm) shitty FPS 18:37 Jordach [0gb_us], you know why windows won the OS war? it WORKED ON ALL THE HARDWARE. 18:37 khonkhortisan even dos? 18:37 [0gb_us] I don't kbnow on Amega. It might be worse, I don't know enough to make that call. 18:38 Jordach because x86 is the only decent cpu architecture 18:38 [0gb_us] Yes, even DOS. 18:38 Jordach (during the 90s) 18:38 Jordach DOS == Windows 9x 18:38 Exio Jordach: it won because monopoly - and because that is how the capitalism works 18:38 [0gb_us] No. DOS is not WIndows. 18:38 Exio "the one with the shitty stuff, and the most clear shit in the hand, wins!" 18:38 Jordach [0gb_us], windows 1-3.x 18:38 [0gb_us] Windows doesn't even run on top of DOS these days. 18:38 Jordach 95 still used dos 18:38 Exio til ME 18:38 Jordach [0gb_us], true 18:39 Jordach yeah 18:39 Exio windows is k 18:39 [0gb_us] Old Windows, before Windows was an operating system, ran on DOS, yes. 18:39 Exio not good 18:39 Exio now windows uses nt 18:39 Jordach [0gb_us], you called the monolithic win systems better than NT based 18:39 Exio both of them sucks anyway - so lol 18:39 Exio windows is ok 18:39 Exio but microsoft does shitty stuff as "marketing" 18:40 Jordach because i cant find any decent software that runs perfectly on linux 18:40 Exio what software? 18:40 Exio it runs better than perfect for me 18:40 Jordach basic crap 18:40 [0gb_us] I am saying Windows the opweating system, not the thing that used to ba called Windows but wasn't yet an operating system. 18:40 PilzAdam Jordach, strange, I have that feeling in windows 18:40 Jordach hurr durr 18:40 Exio PilzAdam: exactly 18:41 Jordach oh whats 90 of the minetest player base? 18:41 rubenwardy [0gb_us] is very bias 18:41 Jordach 90%* 18:41 Jordach WINDOWS. 18:41 [0gb_us] Windows doesn't even let me select partial words in most applications. Windows applications are the buggy ones. 18:41 Exio Jordach: do you know what happened in all the history i read 18:41 Jordach Minetest would be nothing without it 18:41 [0gb_us] rubenwardy: I am very bias. I know that. That doesn't make me wrong. 18:41 Jordach same for MC actually., 18:41 Jordach -, 18:42 rubenwardy But it makes you exaggerated 18:42 Exio ragequit 18:43 [0gb_us] I do exaggerate, to get my point across. When I don't exaggerate, people have a tenancy to ignore me. 18:43 Jordach Exio, laptop wireless 18:44 Jordach its horrible 18:44 Exio Jordach: the wireless works in my linux box 18:44 Exio 18:44 Jordach Exio, the wireless router is a cheapy ISP one 18:44 [0gb_us] Jordach: My Xubuntu laptop gets great wireless. 18:44 Jordach and this house is bad with tech (it breaks often( 18:45 Jordach [0gb_us], most wireless chips use the same channels 18:45 [0gb_us] So they configured it specifically for WIndows, maybe. Targetting Windows doesn't magically make it better. 18:45 Jordach thats why it probably works fine 18:45 * Jordach turns to AMD and nVidia 18:45 Jordach [0gb_us], ^ 18:45 Exio amd cpu - nvidia gpu here 18:45 [0gb_us] I'm on AMD, and I do just fine. 18:46 Exio in a linux box, working more than perfectly 18:46 Exio as windows is a piece of shit with the bulldozer arch 18:46 Jordach Exio, good luck with your 32bit timestamp 18:46 Exio gen* or w/e 18:46 Exio Jordach: timestamp? 18:46 Jordach 2048 is your doom 18:46 Exio wat 18:47 ShadowNinja Unix time is stored in a 32 bit integer 18:47 ShadowNinja It is close to running out 18:47 [0gb_us] I hear there are plans for a new timestamp format. 18:47 Kray all modern systems use 64 bit integer 18:47 Kray so no 18:48 [0gb_us] I think the current OFFICIAL format is 32 bit, but in practice, systems use 64 bit, kray. 18:48 Kray what "official" 18:48 Exio posix? 18:48 Kray and it is not a format 18:48 [0gb_us] THe UNIX timestamp specification. 18:49 Exio ah, the y2k unix 18:49 Jordach http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem 18:49 Exio i'm a bit slow with dat stuff 18:49 [0gb_us] Okay, format was the wrong word. 18:49 Jordach youre buggered 18:49 Jordach windows isnt 18:49 Exio Jordach: the last time i tried using a >2038 date in my laptop (x86) didn't work 18:49 [0gb_us] But the point is, Jordach's point is is valid in theory, but not in practice. 18:50 Exio suddenly 18:50 Exio here, x86_64/amd64/64bits 18:50 Jordach unix timestamp breaks 18:50 Exio works :o 18:50 Jordach Exio, embedded unix systems == air traffic control systems 18:50 Kray no standard or specification requires that time_t is 32-bit 18:50 Jordach everything is fucked :) 18:51 Kray it is implementation specific 18:51 Kray and even some would, it doesn't matter 18:51 Kray all modern systems use 64 bit values 18:51 * [0gb_us] just scrolled to the year 2267, with no glitches 18:51 Jordach windows doesnt use that type of time stamp 18:51 [0gb_us] ^ Jordach 18:51 Jordach [0gb_us], again, not everyone is 64bit 18:52 Kray Jordach: it system architechture doesn't matter 18:52 [0gb_us] I could go further, but I have better things to do than scroll through a calendar. 18:52 Jordach everyone still makes 32bit default 18:52 kaeza <[0gb_us]> I do exaggerate, to get my point across. When I don't exaggerate, people have a tenancy to ignore me. <-- exaggeration == lies 18:52 Kray Jordach: all modern systems, including those running on 32-bit x86, use 64-bit time_t 18:52 [0gb_us] People do ignore me when I don't exaggerate a little. Not a lie. 18:52 Kray it is not in any way bound to hardware architechture 18:52 Jordach [0gb_us], i used ubuntu and windows before 18:53 [0gb_us] Also, I bet 32 bit Windows has a timestamp issue as well .... 18:53 Exio two windows(es) 18:53 Jordach at least it isnt y2k 18:53 Jordach [0gb_us], nope. windows has 100 yeqrs 18:53 Jordach years 18:53 Jordach which you then move the starting year up 18:53 kaeza [0gb_us], http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exaggeration 18:53 Jordach (starts on 1970) 18:54 [0gb_us] I know what exaggeration is. 18:54 Jordach which then you move up to 2010 to use 2110 18:54 [0gb_us] Jordach: I don't see your point. Our time issue isn't synced with the Windows time issue. So? 18:55 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/GswY6Lj.png 18:55 [0gb_us] Jordach: I don't see your point. Our time issue isn't synced with the Windows time issue. So? 18:55 Jordach i just saw my lag count :) 18:55 Jordach OK 18:55 Exio i'll leave this pc for 292,277,026,296 years - then it will die 18:56 [0gb_us] WHat's with the screen shot? THe lag count then? 18:56 Exio Jordach: [15:53:05] two windows(es) 18:56 Exio for you, ubuntu and windows 18:56 Jordach anyone up for 2.92277026296 * 10^11 18:56 Jordach standard form ftw 18:56 Jordach anyways, im going home in a bit 18:56 Jordach later 19:06 rubenwardy Minetest reliable sources search: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BbcG5Zg2bFOMTW_3EgFeIGKqvcA-Lhp-mGdDOaiQKP4/edit?usp=sharing 19:08 Calinou_ getminecraftforfree.org 19:08 Calinou_ loool 19:08 Calinou_ anyway, why make something else for sources? 19:08 Calinou_ wikipedia was alwas directed by #debian operators 19:08 StrayBytes Hello, why was my "goodbye" topic deleted? It had sparked a useful conversation, so the only explanation I see is that the devs/forum admins do not want something to be shown. Naturally this is quite suspicious. 19:09 Calinou_ StrayBytes, first: this isn't censorshop 19:09 Calinou_ censorship* 19:09 StrayBytes What did happen, then? 19:09 rubenwardy #debian operators? 19:09 StrayBytes There was a good on-topic coversation in the bottom of the first and second page. 19:09 rubenwardy do you mean forge sources? 19:09 Calinou_ rubenwardy, go figure :> 19:09 Calinou_ StrayBytes, on topic? again debating on "hey, minetest is a ripoff, let's add more obsidian types" 19:10 StrayBytes It just seems moderately suspicious, but I'm naturally suspicious of all of this. 19:10 Menche what was the reason for deleting? 19:10 StrayBytes And what you mention deserves closing, not deleting. 19:10 Menche would say that doesn't even need closing 19:11 StrayBytes Closing at most. 19:12 Calinou_ what's the point in keeping a closed "goodbye" topic? so that people can look at another pointless debate? 19:12 StrayBytes I don't think the "this is another ripoff or not" thread is really a good excuse. 19:12 Menche what's the point of closing it at all? 19:12 markveidemanis Anyone want to give the missile mod a shot? 19:12 Calinou_ development is NOT democratic, remember that 19:12 StrayBytes It evoked a bit of duscussion once again on how we are unable to work smoothly. 19:12 StrayBytes It is not democratic, but it is also not elitist. 19:13 StrayBytes What's next? It's renamed BACK to communisticraft for good? 19:13 Calinou_ I don't see any elitism in the current system of development; there are core devs and it's fine this way 19:13 Calinou_ no, a rename is unlikely, see what c-fifty-five replied 19:14 StrayBytes I'm naturally paranoid when I see a topic that is mildly controversial but not deletion-worthy deleted. 19:15 [0gb_us] I would be suspicious as well. 19:15 Calinou_ suspicious about what? 19:16 Menche i do think mods tend to be a bit too quick to close threads 19:16 StrayBytes Calinou_: The deletion in question. 19:16 Calinou_ well, go to the minecraft forums, you'll see 8) 19:17 [0gb_us] Someone deleted jordan's harmless topic about robots too. 19:17 jin_xi well, idk what to make of all this but one thing is for sure: stop making "i'm leaving", "goodbye" and such topics... 19:17 Menche there's been quite a few of those lately 19:18 kahrl_ maybe all the thread could have been merged? 19:18 jin_xi yes, others left quietly 19:18 kahrl_ threads 19:18 [0gb_us] Don't worry, when I leave, I will make no such topic. 19:18 kahrl_ although that could have been confusing 19:18 jin_xi its preferable, but still bad 19:18 Calinou_ [0gb_us], which one? about robots? I don't remember any 19:18 StrayBytes I understand a "goodbye, haha" topic being deleted, but not one that has evoked a bit of useful discussion. Just delete the useLESS replies. 19:19 jin_xi its hard to do this stuff right... 19:19 [0gb_us] Jordan posted in "problems and issues" (or whatever the category is called) that Minetest has no robots. 19:19 Calinou_ "I am quitting Minetest. I'm fed up with this minetest-dev drama. Take this into consideration (or don't, I don't care)." 19:19 Calinou_ well, you just said minetest-dev is "drama" and nothing else 19:21 Calinou_ [0gb_us], not me IIRC, but that sounds like a troll 19:21 [0gb_us] You? I said JORDAN, not you. 19:22 Calinou_ not me as in, "I didn't delete it" 19:22 Calinou_ ;) 19:22 [0gb_us] OH! Got it. 19:23 [0gb_us] It was spam. And yes, Jordan is a troll. But he's harmless, and that topic was actually funny. 19:24 Calinou_ this isn't a forum about fun, post on /r/funny instead 19:24 jin_xi well, harmless... he's started delete-editing his topics 19:24 [0gb_us] So it should have been moved to off topic, not deleted. 19:25 [0gb_us] Well, that topic was harmless anyway. 19:25 Menche why not leave it alone? it would just get buried by more useful stuff as people ignore it 19:25 rubenwardy bye all 19:26 [0gb_us] People were not ignoring it. THey were responding, thinking he really though the no robots thing was a problem. 19:26 [0gb_us] Bye. 19:26 [0gb_us] *thought 19:26 Menche anyway, i don't think that topic was really hurting anything 19:26 [0gb_us] Exactly! 19:26 [0gb_us] It didn't need to be deleted. 19:27 Menche don't think a topic should be closed unless people are actually trying to insult others, and then, just the bad part could be deleted 19:27 [0gb_us] Me neither. 19:27 Calinou_ again: this is a minetest forum, not a general purpose one 19:27 Telek Wouldn't a better solution be to lock it and give a reason why at the bottom? 19:27 [0gb_us] But then again, not my forum, not my rules. 19:28 Menche i think some topics have been closed just because some mod thought someone *might* be offended by it later on 19:28 markveidemanis What does the construct mod do? 19:29 Calinou_ http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=87656#p87656 19:29 Calinou_ http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5173 19:29 Calinou_ two drama topics for you :P 19:30 Menche drama? they don't seem *that* heated 19:30 Menche so it's a discussion where different people have opposing ideas 19:30 Menche they're not hurling insults 19:31 Calinou_ well, feel free to talk around in these topics, but it would probably have little influence on the core devs 19:32 Menche but i don't think they should be closed or deleted 19:32 Exio i think they are useless 19:32 Calinou_ just avoid creating "I'm leaving" topics; noone cares, instead edit your signature to do that 19:38 Calinou_ thexyz, what do you think about adding a "game" part to your dev wiki, then tweaking http://wiki.minetest.net so that it redirects to http://dev.minetest.net? this way we can host everything, it'd be MUCH better in the long run. 19:39 Calinou_ ("Game/" namespace?) 19:39 Calinou_ the whole .com thing is a bit sloppy 19:39 Calinou_ it's not hosted by us and feels inconsistent 19:39 Calinou_ migrating could be done quickly, both sites use mediawiki 19:42 MinetestBot c55.me:30000 seems to be down 19:43 Menche there's no minetest server there 19:43 Calinou_ !up c55.me:30001 19:43 MinetestBot Calinou_: Note: Syntax changed please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337' 19:43 Calinou_ !up c55.me 30001 19:43 MinetestBot c55.me:30001 seems to be down 19:43 Calinou_ there used to be a server there :P 19:43 Calinou_ back in 0.4.2-rc1 days 19:43 Menche you mean after c55 shut it down after getting fed up with griefing? 19:44 Menche that test was on minetest.ru i think 19:46 Menche did anything come of that? 19:46 Menche !up minetest.ru 30001 19:46 MinetestBot minetest.ru:30001 seems to be down 19:48 Calinou_ !server sky 19:48 MinetestBot Calinou_: WazuClan.com | wazuclan.com | Clients: 10/32 | Version: 0.4.6 minetest | ping: 0.226 19:48 Calinou_ !server Sky hardcore 19:48 MinetestBot Calinou_: WazuClan.com | wazuclan.com | Clients: 10/32 | Version: 0.4.6 minetest | ping: 0.226 19:48 Calinou_ hmm 19:48 sfan5 !server name:sky 19:48 MinetestBot sfan5: No results 19:48 sfan5 !server name:hardcore 19:48 MinetestBot sfan5: No results 19:49 Calinou_ !server name:Sky hardcore 19:49 MinetestBot Calinou_: No results 19:49 Calinou_ http://servers.minetest.net/ <= well, it's here 19:49 sfan5 Calinou_: !server is a bit broken right now 19:49 Calinou_ I've griefed Guest9770's buildings, I removed 400+ ladders, and best of all: I enclosed their chests in my own locked chests >:D 19:49 Calinou_ also I got mese and diamond 19:49 Calinou_ tons of wood + apples 19:50 Calinou_ they can't open their chests now :P 19:50 Calinou_ well, it's hard if you're not lagging 19:50 Calinou_ he wasn't here, so I took my time 19:50 Calinou_ max amount of players at same time since server was started 19:50 sfan5 john_minetest: ^ 19:51 ShadowNinja sfan5: ,,(server --name sky) 19:51 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: Sky hardcore | 80.240.216.69:30010 | Clients: 2/6 | Version: 0.4.6 | ping: 0.158 19:51 sfan5 Calinou_: nice, i stole guest9770 iron and tried to fight him but failed.. 19:51 Calinou_ he has mese sword 19:51 Calinou_ but I have one too :P and 40 apples 19:51 Calinou_ he seems to be quite clever, he tried to enclose me with blocks once 19:51 Calinou_ he built a nice desert sand + glass building... which I griefed :3 19:52 Calinou_ you need to register an account there, all that 19:52 Calinou_ too complicated to bother 8) 19:53 RealBadAngel whos Guest9770? 19:55 RealBadAngel john_minetest, switch language then (at the top, to the right) 19:55 Calinou_ if you put no nickname, your name is Guest**** :P 19:56 sfan5 !server hardcore 19:56 MinetestBot sfan5: Sky hardcore | 80.240.216.69:30010 | Clients: 2/100 | Version: 0.4.6 hardcore | ping: 0.153 19:56 Menche still can't decide on a nickname? 19:56 sfan5 !server ping:least 19:56 MinetestBot sfan5: Minetest❤Ru | minetest.ru | Clients: 0/100 | Version: 0.4.5 | ping: 0.097 19:56 us_0gb Client errors. 19:57 sfan5 !server ping:most 19:57 MinetestBot sfan5: 0gb.us's simple server | 0gb.us | Clients: 1/100 | Version: 0.4.6 0gb.us | ping: 0.284 19:58 khonkhortisan [0gb_us] has left #minetest 19:59 us_0gb I get this error: 19:59 us_0gb Nick or channel is temporarily unavailable. 19:59 us_0gb [0gb_us] 19:59 us_0gb I don't know why, but it looks like I can't use that name for now. 20:00 * us_0gb pulls out backup name 20:00 Calinou_ if you enforce name protection and you are renamed, it'll be protected for a few minutes 20:00 Calinou_ I'm named Calinou_ for a reason :P 20:01 us_0gb Why was I renamed though? 20:01 * us_0gb shakes head 20:03 us_0gb Meh. I think I'll use my other name, if I can't be 0gb.us or [0gb_us] 20:04 ShadowNinja :-( I set umode +R because of spammers and now my server can't message me 20:05 RealBadAngle|361 Register your server's name. 20:05 RealBadAngle|361 registered my server's name. 20:05 RealBadAngle|361 *I 20:06 ShadowNinja Yes, I will have to do that, that make three accounts, or I could group it 20:07 Calinou add an antispam to your bot :P 20:07 RealBadAngle|361 Crossover from the Ubuntu Software Center is failing to install. I think it's a sign. 20:07 Calinou ban-forward them to #redeclipse, every 30 seconds, your bot types "~obit " in #redeclipse 20:07 Calinou RealBadAngel, crossover? pfft 20:07 sfan5 Calinou: lol 20:08 Calinou wine runs trackmania fine here, don't need more 8) 20:08 MinetestBot vanessae.mine.bz:30000 is up (0.400ms) 20:08 RealBadAngle|361 I'm Angle, not Angel. 20:08 Shadow-Server *****@***.*** has too many accounts registered. 20:08 Calinou RealBadAngle|361 is 0gb.us... 20:08 Calinou the angle is a spy! 20:09 RealBadAngle|361 I'm'a see if my name is back from whatever lockdown it was in. 20:09 RealBadAngle|361 Nope. [0gb_us] is still unavailable. 20:11 ShadowNinja RealBadAngle|361: /msg nickserv release 20:11 RealBadAngle|361 Calinou: Crossover and PlayOnLinux keep applications running in separate containers, unlike vanilla Wine. I don't often need any of the three, but I just installed my operating system, so I'm installing it for when I need it in the future. 20:12 RealBadAngle|361 Release? Doesn't that unregister? 20:12 RealBadAngle|361 ShadowNinja: ^ 20:12 ShadowNinja No, it releases a services enforcer, you are thinking of drop 20:12 kahrl_ looks like guest9770 left 20:12 khonkhortisan hi RBA 20:13 RealBadAngle|361 Then I still have a name I don't want. 20:14 Calinou wineprefixes can run them in separate environmentzs 20:14 khonkhortisan octorobot-spy 20:14 RealBadAngle|361 Nope, it's gone. 20:14 Calinou -z 20:14 Calinou also, PAYING FOR A LINUX APP? ARE YOU INSANE? :3 20:14 Calinou 20:14 khonkhortisan linux has apps? 20:14 ShadowNinja RealBadAngle|361: Are you getting "nick or channel not currently available" or similar? 20:14 Calinou it has hats 20:15 RealBadAngle|361 ShadowNinja: I used release to erase NotReallyNick a while back, and it is gone. I used release, not drop. 20:15 RealBadAngle|361 ShadowNinja: Yes, that's the message I get. 20:16 ShadowNinja You must have used drop, see help release and help drop 20:16 ShadowNinja I have used it before 20:16 RealBadAngle|361 I didn't use drop, I didn't even know there was a drop command. 20:16 RealBadAngle|361 Crossover Ubuntu Edition? Why is there an Ubuntu-specific edition? 20:20 sfan5 good night guys 20:21 RealBadAngle|361 Good night. 20:22 RealBadAngle|361 Twitter needs to STOP SPAMMING ME. I signed up for ONE contest, which I lost, and now I get endless emails from them. I wonder if I can delete my Twitter account .... 20:23 Calinou tip: use an email client such as thunderbird, blacklist them 20:25 iqualfragile what happened to OldCoder he never says anything anymore 20:25 OldCoder Hi 20:25 OldCoder iqualfragile, it may be settled soon 20:25 OldCoder If things go well, I will return 20:25 OldCoder Otherwise, I will be gone 20:27 RealBadAngle|361 Email clients download emails to my computer, were I don't want them. 20:28 RealBadAngle|361 She reset her world a while back. Some sort of errors, I think she said. 20:29 Calinou it's not like mails are ridiculously heavy 20:30 Calinou I manage three accounts with thunderbird, I use 1GB of disk space at most 20:30 RealBadAngle|361 It's not the size I mind, it's the clutter. 20:30 Calinou clutter is irrelevant 20:30 RealBadAngle|361 Keeping them on the web, I have no clutter. 20:30 Calinou a minetest world is cluttered, it has many trees that aren't cut 20:31 ShadowNinja Use IMAP 20:31 Menche i thought the mail wasn't downloaded with the imap4 protocol 20:31 Calinou gmail ftw 20:31 Calinou that's the only service I use from google :P 20:31 RealBadAngle|361 But a Minetest world doesn't get in my way. Or rather, the trees don't get in my way when I'm working outside Minetest. 20:31 RealBadAngle|361 Yeah, I use Gmail for one feature: I get to use my own domain. 20:31 Calinou john_minetest, "minecart tracks? aaaaaaaand it's gone." :P 20:32 iqualfragile OldCoder: "things"? 20:33 RealBadAngle|361 Menche: I don't know mail protocols. BUt if that doesn't download them, I still have to deal with the Twitter spam at http://mail.google.com/, so .... 20:33 Calinou can't you blacklist contacts in gmail's webmail too? pretty sure you can do that 20:33 RealBadAngle|361 I registered Crossover, and I see NO changes. What was the point? 20:33 khonkhortisan tech support? 20:34 Calinou tech support, a few updates ahead of wine 20:34 Calinou wine is stripped down crossover, slightly older 20:34 RealBadAngle|361 Calinou: If it comes to that, I'll see if that can be done. First, I'll try to delete my Twitter account though. 20:34 Calinou and without commercial support 20:34 Calinou how people feel when they buy a linux app: http://forum-images.hardware.fr/images/perso/aia.gif 20:34 RealBadAngle|361 No, I already have the support, but I registered in the application. Like, I input my account details. 20:35 Calinou "registering" is usually a way to know your email to send you ads :P 20:35 Calinou almost all OEMs do that :P 20:36 RealBadAngle|361 Except that I had to input the email and password from my existing CodeWeavers account. They got no new email address, as they accept no new email address through that method. 20:38 MinetestBot minetest.org:30001 is up (0.497ms) 20:41 RealBadAngle|361 Okay. Twitter says they'll delete my account in thirty days. 20:43 RealBadAngle|361 I log in to shut down my account because of emails, and they send me an email about how I haven't logged in for quite a while ... ironic. 20:44 [0gb_us] YES! I have my name back. 20:45 iqualfragile oh, right i have a one year crossover license lying around… 20:45 iqualfragile no idea what i should do with it 20:46 [0gb_us] I think mine's one year too, but I forget one year from when ... 20:46 Calinou sell them, disguised as a minecraft gift code 20:46 Calinou :trollface: 20:48 [0gb_us] Mine expires at the end of October, according to my records. 20:49 [0gb_us] Do you know how many applications I've installed with Crossover? Two. And I don't even use those applications any more. 20:50 [0gb_us] Still, it's handy to keep around, just in case. 20:57 OldCoder iqualfragile, another time 20:59 iqualfragile ok, if its a healt problem i hope that you get well and do so soon 21:03 Calinou gtg, night 21:04 [0gb_us] Good night. 21:09 [0gb_us] I found the name problem. I was trying to log into Freenode and log into Ubuntu IRC. Apparently, they are the same network. 21:11 [0gb_us] And ... settings fixed. 21:17 * Menche agrees 21:17 [0gb_us] Can one server handle most users though? And who would run it? celeron55 took down his. 21:18 Menche should an official server have mods installed? 21:18 Menche i'm thinking no 21:18 [0gb_us] Definitely not. Official server, official game. 21:18 Menche maybe that would be incentive to add more stuff to the official game :P 21:18 [0gb_us] Not even /home or protection. 21:19 * [0gb_us] really likes protection 21:19 iqualfragile of course not 21:19 iqualfragile no mods 21:19 Menche i threw a dozen clients on my pentium4 server and it handled it fine 21:19 iqualfragile but it would quickly lead to an 'server' gamemode beeing added to minetest… 21:19 [0gb_us] Good point, john_minetest. That could be good. 21:20 Menche of course, they were all in the same location 21:20 iqualfragile it think that bandwidth might be more of a problem 21:20 [0gb_us] True. 21:20 Menche i have had more problems with cpu than with bandwidth 21:21 Menche the connection i had when i first started my server couldn't stream a low res youtube video smoothly 21:21 [0gb_us] john_minetest: No, not unless added to the official game. 21:22 Menche should there be a minetest testing repo? sort of like the old minetest-delta? 21:22 [0gb_us] Dev server sounds fine, but if it's an official server, and a plugin is good enough to be used there, it should be added to the official game. 21:23 [0gb_us] Why am I debating this? I don't even care any more .... 21:23 iqualfragile Menche: but now we have luajit, wich boost performance a LOT and we dont need to use an old pentium 21:23 Menche don't need to use an old pentium 21:23 Menche that's really the only computer i can leave at home all the time 21:24 Menche or put the server stuff in another .lua script 21:25 Menche and if minetest.setting_get("server") == true then dofile(server.lua) end 21:26 iqualfragile Menche: more like if singleplayer== false 21:26 Menche lol, whatever 21:26 iqualfragile (as technicaly even a singleplayer game starts a server) 21:26 Menche maybe use the server_dedicated setting 21:27 iqualfragile and it should be saved per world and not per computer 21:27 Menche well, should starting a game from the "advanced" tab be considered singleplayer? probably some people use that to start a multiplayer server 21:27 Menche idk, i wouldn't use a per-world setting 21:28 drdre_ http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Getting_Started 21:29 Menche LOL 21:29 Menche just doesn't quit 21:30 Menche at least that's the "dead" wiki 21:30 drdre_ yeah "dead" 21:30 Menche as in, you can still update it but nobody does 21:30 drdre_ true 21:32 Menche maybe they should have another documentation sprint on irc to get that thing updated 21:32 Menche is there an "official" player wiki? 21:33 PilzAdam the one at minetest.com is kinda official 21:33 khonkhortisan The dev wiki doesn't overlap the Read tab at low horizontal resolution 21:33 Menche there's nothing at wiki.minetest.net and dev.minetest.net is just for development 21:33 drdre_ http://dev.minetest.net/Engine_structure 21:34 Menche *sigh* 21:34 PilzAdam Menche, wiki.minetest.com is not dead 21:34 Menche it is out of date 21:34 PilzAdam that doesnt mean noone can update it 21:34 Menche but nobody does 21:34 Kacey|school hi all 21:35 Menche maybe they should have another documentation sprint on irc to get that thing updated 21:35 Menche hi 21:35 drdre_ http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.inventorycube 21:35 Menche can somebody ban that jerk before he overwrites the entire wiki? 21:36 khonkhortisan To undo a page, I have to pass a check because I'm adding external links 21:36 drdre_ what does that mean? 21:36 khonkhortisan Select all the cat photos. 21:37 drdre_ whats hard about that/ 21:37 khonkhortisan I'm undoing a revision, not adding content. 21:38 khonkhortisan http://dev.minetest.net/Special:Contributions/LandMine 21:39 drdre_ nice 21:39 PilzAdam Menche, done 21:39 drdre_ what a kerk that guy is 21:40 khonkhortisan The contributions were undone. 21:40 drdre_ jerk** 21:40 PilzAdam khonkhortisan, please dont revert spam if the user isnt blocked and still active 21:40 khonkhortisan ? 21:40 PilzAdam it makes it harder to revert it 21:40 khonkhortisan oh, okay. 21:41 NotAidan Who blanked the proposal proposal?! 21:41 NotAidan (this is Rarkenin) 21:42 Menche was that one of the pages landmine hit? 21:42 NotAidan There was wiki vandalism? 21:42 kahrl_ it isn't blank for me 21:42 NotAidan In that case, I take my words back. 21:43 NotAidan Oh, and I was looking at thewrong URL. I take back my words. 21:43 drdre_ i wonder if it would be posble to not revert it 21:44 Menche "Rarkenin/Draft TCP network protocol"? that page looks blank to me 21:44 PilzAdam rarekin himself blanked it 21:44 PilzAdam http://dev.minetest.net/index.php?title=Rarkenin/Draft_TCP_network_protocol&diff=1171&oldid=1170 21:45 PilzAdam *rarkenin 21:47 PilzAdam I deleted Rarkenin/Draft TCP network protocol since he moved it to User:Rarkenin/Draft TCP network protocol 21:48 BlockMen who own minetest.com? someone of our community? 21:48 Menche a user named saxony 21:48 Menche he's on the forums but hasn't been active for a while 21:49 kahrl_ how's the java port coming along? 21:49 Exio kahrl_: working like a charm, look at it! minecraft.net 21:49 BlockMen Menche,ic 21:50 kahrl_ Exio: hmm, I just tried it, it crashed :( 21:50 Exio aww 21:52 Exio well 21:53 sdzen https://github.com/minetest/common/pull/43 21:57 PilzAdam sdzen, pull requests are not the correct changes to suggest new textures 21:57 PilzAdam +place 21:57 sdzen eh 21:57 PilzAdam -changes 21:57 sdzen figured it was worth a shot 21:58 sdzen so what shady channel must I go through? 21:58 PilzAdam dunno 21:58 Menche lol 21:59 sdzen sounds like a rock solid system 21:59 Menche "how do i add x feature?" "dunno" 22:00 Menche the textures are part of the repo, why not use pull requests? 22:00 PilzAdam you can imagine that there are tons of people who want to change textures 22:00 sdzen I can 22:00 sdzen most people dont make requests 22:00 Menche well there has to be *some* way to request changes 22:00 PilzAdam we just dont have a system yet to handle it porperly 22:00 PilzAdam *properly 22:01 Menche and the ETA on that system is... 22:01 RealBadAngel If theres no other system then pull requests are valid way to do so 22:01 Menche "I'm sorry, we can't accept new features because we're working on a feature to accept features" 22:02 BlockMen lol 22:02 Menche can people request a way to handle requests? 22:02 RealBadAngel hehehe, it really looks like that 22:02 BlockMen IMO its the best way atm...and when not wanted the pull request can be closed. i dont see a problem with that right now 22:02 sdzen the best way is to approach pilzadam via PM and beg him 22:03 sdzen thats how I got my animated fire in :P 22:03 PilzAdam ehm 22:03 Menche cue tons of spam in PilzAdam's PM 22:03 PilzAdam IIRC I added animated fire without you begging me 22:04 [0gb_us] While I don't use pull requests to change the textures myself, I'd have to agree, until a better system is set up, pull requests are the way. 22:04 sdzen haha thats only cause you needed it 22:04 sdzen vote on the forums maybe? 22:04 PilzAdam thats always a bad idea 22:05 sdzen it is 22:05 Menche why? 22:05 sdzen cause that never gets payed attention to 22:05 PilzAdam first of all the poll function in the forum is broken 22:05 Menche yes. somebody needs to fix that. 22:05 sdzen if polls got paid attention to, we would still be on the old default 22:05 PilzAdam second, there are more or less random people just voting without thinking about it 22:05 * sdzen remembers that poll 22:06 * Menche remembers a poll he did, because he never figured out how to get rid of it 22:06 sdzen it wasnt with the poll thing 22:06 PilzAdam sdzen, have you considered making a texture pack? 22:06 Menche the forum polls do need fixing 22:06 RealBadAngel still, core devs can vote for the change. easy to count votes 22:06 sdzen I have several. 22:07 * [0gb_us] remembers you can't change you mind on the polls if someone convinces you to see things their way 22:07 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, stop pushing aside any proposed changes to mods, tps or other game modes :P 22:07 sdzen thats why you dont use the poll thing 22:07 sdzen you just make a topic 22:07 sdzen that way peopel can change their minds 22:07 sdzen people* 22:07 Menche i asked one mod to delete it and was told that any *other* mod was able to, so i asked another mod and got the same response... 22:08 [0gb_us] Hmm. Odd. 22:08 sdzen you talk to darkrose as well? 22:08 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, the game is not only your vision but that what community wants and expecting. 22:08 [0gb_us] So all moderators are lesser ranked than all other moderators. 22:08 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, ehm... we talk about textures 22:08 sdzen lets leave the request there and see if the feedback is any good 22:09 sdzen hows that sound? 22:09 BlockMen good 22:09 Menche somebody needs to change that mese crystal texture 22:09 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, code, textures, music whatever. all is binary content :P 22:09 PilzAdam sdzen, I know exactly what will happen: some people like Zeg9 and Exio will post a "+1" and noone will ever merge it 22:09 [0gb_us] Adding numbers is not helpful to a topic. 22:10 sdzen then I will put it to a vote on the forums 22:10 sdzen without that stupid function 22:10 Exio PilzAdam: what 22:10 Exio tell me how many +1 i've posted 22:10 RealBadAngel sdzen, btw i like that obsidian texture, but bricks sucks imho ;) 22:10 sdzen its better then the default 22:11 sdzen those were wayyyyyyy to flat 22:11 sdzen too* 22:11 sdzen and pruple 22:11 sdzen purple* 22:11 Menche anyone else think the mese crystal textures are ugly? 22:11 sdzen I think its looks better then the block 22:11 PilzAdam Exio, mabye not you 22:11 RealBadAngel bricks imho shall be some red/orange, not just red 22:11 PilzAdam I had your nick in mind for some reason 22:11 PilzAdam dunno 22:12 sdzen mine have hues of orange in them 22:12 BlockMen bricks must be dark red 22:12 sdzen see the screenshot I commented under it 22:12 BlockMen like that http://powerpoint.sonyanancysims.com/mypictures/textures/largepicts/Bricks_red.jpg 22:12 PilzAdam we have changed the brick textures already some time ago 22:12 sdzen yes, and it was better before 22:12 PilzAdam we dont just change things just for the sake of changing 22:13 sdzen because IT WAS RED! 22:13 PilzAdam I dont like the gravel and obsidian 22:13 PilzAdam and the glass 22:13 [0gb_us] The old bricks were ugly. The new ones seem fine. 22:13 PilzAdam and the brick 22:14 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/DLoAY1q.png 22:14 RealBadAngel i have such texture for bricks 22:14 PilzAdam yay! bricks made out of oranges 22:15 BlockMen sdzen looks better than RBA's 22:15 sdzen http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=87690#p87690 22:15 sdzen there 22:15 sdzen I don't believe in fancy schmancy automated poll whatsits 22:16 sdzen lets leave it to someone other then pilzadam. 22:16 RealBadAngel googling for bricks images will show you more orange than red :P 22:16 BlockMen sdzen, maybe a screenshot of current and yours would be nice...makes comparing easier 22:16 sdzen yes it would 22:17 sdzen uploading a second pic 22:17 sdzen though the obsidian should be changed 22:17 * Menche likes that obsidian 22:17 sdzen when I first saw it (I didn't know about the update) I thought it was bedrock from minecraft 22:18 BlockMen RBA, not really. most are terracotta, which is neither orange nor red :P 22:18 Menche wait, what obsidian? i like sdzen's proposed change 22:18 sdzen the default one 22:21 RealBadAngel i like bricks like that: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bricks-4172.jpg 22:21 sdzen there. a second picture added for comparison 22:21 sdzen those are still redish 22:22 sdzen not really orange on my screen 22:22 Menche the gravel could perhaps use a bit more contrast, but i prefer sdzen's suggestions for all of those 22:22 RealBadAngel but not so pure red 22:22 sdzen I noticed that gravel uses a grand total of 4 colours 22:22 Menche there *are* bricks that color 22:23 BlockMen RBA, you rly like orange bricks :P 22:23 Menche the default obsidian looks like someone was playing with the gamma 22:23 BlockMen thats my fav: http://www.buildpro.com.au/downloads/Image/products/medium/Austral%20Bricks%20-%20Kooyong%2076-ce5140df15d046a66883807d18d0264b.jpg 22:23 Menche too dark 22:23 sdzen well I must dissapeer for now 22:26 RealBadAngel anyway, those are real bricks, http://i.imgur.com/ogi60rJ.png ;) 22:26 Exio is that.. 16x16? 22:26 RealBadAngel ofc not 22:27 BlockMen RealBadAngel, hmm, as long you like them and they dont become default ;) 22:28 Exio with real HD "res" you can make MT world look pretty nice 22:30 iqualfragile most hd packs dont tile too well 22:33 Exio only shaders are needed for that! 22:33 * VanessaE peeks in 22:33 VanessaE did someone say HD? :) 22:34 Exio aww 22:34 Exio VanessaE: remove the highlight to "HD" and "HDX"! 22:34 VanessaE I don't have such a highlight. I read the scrollback :) 22:35 SamuraiGhost there is a vandal on the wiki: http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/LandMine 22:35 Menche wait, wasn't he blocked? 22:36 VanessaE wtf? my wiki account is dead? 22:36 RealBadAngel iqualfragile, http://imgur.com/a/PXyaA#0 this doesnt tile well? ;) 22:37 Menche IMO, high res textures look out of place in a cube world. 22:37 sapier https://github.com/sapier/moreores updated moreores to 0.4.6 ore functions 22:37 Menche sure, the textures are more detailed, but the landscape is made of cubes 22:38 Exio Menche: depends what "high res" textures 22:38 Exio i don't like very real textures 22:38 SamuraiGhost I don't know if they are blocked, but the changes have not been reverted 22:38 Exio but "HD" alone feels right for me 22:38 Menche don't care for anything above 32x 22:39 RealBadAngel thats why we do have texture packs 22:39 Exio with 128x i'm perfect 22:39 RealBadAngel some likes 16, some more 22:39 Menche really prefer 8x 22:39 Exio or 258, i don't really recall atm 22:40 Dogzill131 How can you find minetest by yourself? 22:40 Dogzill131 If you never heard of it? 22:40 VanessaE G*d damn it get rid of this fuckign cat captcha! 22:40 VanessaE thexyz: ^^^^^ 22:40 Menche i found minetest by searching for minecraft on the AUR 22:40 VanessaE unable to revert landmine's vandalism on the "getting started" page because of that stupid captcha. 22:41 Dogzill131 AUR? 22:41 Menche Arch User Repository 22:41 Menche 3rd party software on Arch linux 22:42 PilzAdam VanessaE, http://vkokoce.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/trollface-hello-kitty-35216.jpg 22:42 jin_xi cant be so hard to find the cats? 22:42 VanessaE jin_xi: no matter how many times I go through it, the match fails. 22:42 Exio is there any way to "generate" a lot of terrain? 22:42 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: actualy that screenshot is quite a bad representation as there are nearly none continious planes 22:42 Exio (i want to generate a "big" part of the nether - because if not it is slow as hell) 22:43 PilzAdam "slow as hell" <- thats intentional 22:43 Dogzill131 Is there a easier way? I found it, but I mean if you want to find the game 22:43 jin_xi no such problems here, just select the cats... 22:43 jin_xi oh well 22:43 jin_xi i thought it was a nice captcha 22:43 jin_xi i like kittehs 22:43 VanessaE jin_xi: um, I'm not stupid. I can tell a cat from a dog easily enough. 22:43 Exio PilzAdam: lol? 22:44 * PilzAdam likes making bad "hell" jokes about his nether mod 22:44 Menche does generating the nether lag the hell out of minetest? or into it... 22:45 PilzAdam hell yea! 22:45 * PilzAdam goes to hell 22:45 PilzAdam bye 22:45 Exio k 22:46 VanessaE fuck it. someone else can fix it then. 22:47 VanessaE I don't have time to guess what the fucking captcha wants me to do. 22:47 jin_xi VanessaE: you can check here http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/redmond/projects/asirra/ 22:47 sapier1 I gave up on changeing something in wiki because of that damn captcha 22:47 VanessaE oh well no shit. 22:47 VanessaE I use firefox. 22:47 VanessaE microshit = made for IE. 22:48 BlockMen firefox WAS awesome 22:48 Menche lol, you can adopt a pet from the captcha 22:48 BlockMen firefo IS crap too 22:48 BlockMen *firefox 22:48 * Menche uses dwb 22:49 sapier1 if you know any better browser just tell me ;-) 22:49 Menche links? 22:49 Exio firefox is still pretty good 22:49 BlockMen SRWare Iron, a Chrome clone that doesnt send all to google 22:49 BlockMen :P 22:49 Exio as i still don't know any browser what is that tweak-able 22:50 sapier1 I hate chrom for starting the version race 22:50 Exio with firefox you can have your personal web-desktop in your browser 22:50 Exio sapier1: +1 22:50 BlockMen sapier1, Mozilla had not to join, they wanted 22:50 sapier1 its quite silly ... firefox 20 ... 22:50 Exio BlockMen: the users 22:51 BlockMen so dont hate Chrome, hate Mozilla (and the users :P) 22:51 sapier1 they had ... common users mind just looks to numbers ... same as mhz 22:51 BlockMen and i dont think so, look at IE users, they are alot behind ff and chrome 22:51 BlockMen or safari 22:51 BlockMen or opera 22:51 sapier1 does anyone install IE or safari on its own? 22:51 BlockMen ya :( 22:52 Exio i did 22:52 sapier1 both are bundled with os 22:52 Exio i needed a browser for my torture box 22:52 Exio so i used ie! :D 22:52 sapier1 i didn't ask for use but INSTALL ;-) 22:52 BlockMen srsly, why is wool not in "survival"?? 22:52 jin_xi lol 22:53 jin_xi cotton kills 22:53 VanessaE BlockMen: oh we can't have THAT! it doesn't help you KILL SHIT AND SURVIVE! G*D forbid the idea. 22:53 Menche only there's nothing to kill in survival... 22:53 VanessaE yet... 22:54 BlockMen VanessaE, umm...and how do you craft beds without wool?? 22:54 Menche some people like the challenge of building nice stuff while surviving 22:54 VanessaE BlockMen: blame pilzadam. 22:54 BlockMen i have my own beds mod :P 22:54 [0gb_us] sapier1: Internet Explorer only has a Windows version. Internet Explorer always comes installed on Windows. So no one who can run it needs to install it on their own. 22:55 Exio in mc now what i have stacks of diamonds, an OP diamond armor-sword pair, and stuff 22:55 Exio i like building random and cute stuff 22:55 BlockMen 0gbus, "Internet Explorer always comes installed on Windows." Not in the EU 22:55 sapier1 that's exactly what I was aiming at ;-) 22:55 Menche i think you can run it in wine. now, why you would want to... 22:55 Exio like filling a whole island with pink-purple-magenta wool, making nether forests ... etc 22:55 [0gb_us] Oh, cool BlockMen. 22:56 sapier1 still firefox was really sluggish for some time ... current 20 version seams to perform way better ... still not good enough to fix githubs bad architecture 22:56 Menche github's fonts render reeaally bad in dwb 22:56 [0gb_us] I use Firefox because Opera won't stop crashing. 22:56 BlockMen does someone know why wool is still not added after i set "common_mods = ..., wool" at game.conf? 23:07 BlockMen nvm 23:40 BlockMen bye