IRC log for #minetest, 2013-04-14

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Time	Nick	Message
00:00	VanessaE	now now, my code isn't bad - it's functional, clean, and valid according to the w3c
00:00	VanessaE	(except for one case where I had to violate the "standard" to get something to work right)
00:00	Uberi	VanessaE: like target="_blank"! why did they remove that!
00:01	[0gb_us]	If it doesn't validate as strict XHTML, it isn't truly clean, it's only "clean enough". But "clean enough" isn't clean enough, if you ask me.
00:01	Exio	Uberi: depends of the question the programmer says
00:01	khonkhortisan	minetest isn't clean enough, it leaks memory and segfaults
00:01	[0gb_us]	target="_blank" is annoying to users.
00:01	Uberi	not sure I understand, Exio
00:01	Uberi	[0gb_us]: but it does have legitimate uses, you would admit?
00:01	[0gb_us]	If users want a new tab, they specify that themselves.
00:01	Exio	Uberi: you don't say that just for the lulz and from nothing
00:01	VanessaE	Uberi: no, actually in this case it had to do with how I got the embedded directory listing in my "Minetest" page of the website to work.
00:02	[0gb_us]	Very VERY few legitimate uses. It' HIGHLY abused.
00:02	Uberi	[0gb_us]: of course, but that doesn't justify making it impossible to bring about said legitimate uses
00:02	VanessaE	I don't remember what it was now, but some dumb-ass restriction in where I could put one tag versus another (which were supposed to be mutually exclusive, but needed to be used together for the effect to work)
00:02	Uberi	it's all about balancing it
00:02	Exio	[0gb_us]: ALL the stuff is abused IN BAD WAYS
00:02	VanessaE	brb
00:02	khonkhortisan	If I'm writing a comment on github, and I click on the files changed to reference it, I want it to open in a new tab.
00:03	Uberi	VanessaE: like putting block elements inside <a> tags?
00:03	Uberi	that was annoying to work around
00:03	Exio	and because that, we need to stop using javascript, the internet
00:03	[0gb_us]	Then that's the browser failing to implement the standard correctly. That's no excuse for bad code, bad code just gives browsers an excuse not to catch up with the standard.
00:04	[0gb_us]	Block elements should never be in an <a/> tag.
00:04	paxcoder	wrong
00:04	paxcoder	new std allows this
00:04	Uberi	paxcoder: I am fully aware
00:04	[0gb_us]	"STD"?
00:04	Uberi	(short for standard)
00:04	* [0gb_us]	only knows of sexually transmitted diseases
00:04	khonkhortisan	your browser has internet stds
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00:05	Menche	c++ programs use std namespaces
00:05	[0gb_us]	I'm not on WIndows, so no it doesn't.
00:05	Uberi	salivating transcendental diasporas
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00:05	khonkhortisan	std::map
00:05	paxcoder	apparently, windows do not gain focus depending on what i'm looking at
00:05	paxcoder	i also joined #std for some reason
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00:06	Uberi	khonkhortisan: btw I can confirm the issue (#93) but don't have time to fix it right now
00:06	khonkhortisan	k
00:06	paxcoder	[0gb_us], std is a std way to abbreviate standard
00:06	paxcoder	(in computing lingo anyway)
00:07	paxcoder	stdlib.h
00:07	paxcoder	libstdc++
00:07	khonkhortisan	standard is a standard way to expand std
00:08	Menche	std is a std way to abbreviate standard
00:08	khonkhortisan	yes, pax just said that
00:08	Menche	oh, didn't see that
00:08	khonkhortisan	and you copied it exactly :)
00:09	khonkhortisan	no information was lost in the double translation
00:10	paxcoder	let's talk about why we dislike "bad" languages
00:10	Uberi	we dislike "bad" languages?
00:10	paxcoder	Uberi, Exio, care to start with JS?
00:11	Exio	with what?
00:11	khonkhortisan	lua can create, copy, and delete files, but can't do anything with directories. You must create a function to copy tables, or split strings.
00:11	[0gb_us]	Lua indexes from one. BAD. Python treats indention as syntax. BAD. English is full of inconsistencies. BAD.
00:11	Uberi	Exio: I believe he meant JavaScript
00:11	paxcoder	With ECMAScript, Exio
00:11	Exio	but i mean, with what? a webpage? :P
00:11	Uberi	[0gb_us]: 1 based indexing is quite intuitive for new users, from my experiences
00:11	paxcoder	no, you personally
00:11	khonkhortisan	I could see how a whitespace error would be bad
00:11	lordcirth	[0gb_us], well at least python forces you to be neat :)
00:12	khonkhortisan	whether you use zero or one, you're still going to be off by one anyway
00:12	Exio	lordcirth: => bad code
00:12	Uberi	I know there is a rationale for 0 based indexing, but ask someone to count to something and they will almost always start with 1, 2, 3...
00:12	Uberi	the aim of programming is letting the human tell the computer what to do, not the other way around
00:12	paxcoder	khonkhortisan, hehe
00:12	lordcirth	Uberi, true say
00:12	[0gb_us]	lordcirth: I'm much neater when I can use proper indention as opposed to forced indention.
00:12	khonkhortisan	then you get into the field of natural language programming
00:12	[0gb_us]	Python forces me to be LESS neat than usual.
00:13	paxcoder	khonkhortisan, let's not go there
00:13	Uberi	paxcoder: I don't really like the way JS does certain things, such as bitwise operations/numbers in general
00:13	paxcoder	that field doesn't exist
00:13	Exio	paxcoder: i like JS and know some, i don't get the answer :P
00:13	Uberi	but hey, it works in the browser, I can't complain there
00:13	khonkhortisan	I should make a natural language hello world, just to see how weird it is-
00:14	paxcoder	Uberi, try to formalize some more
00:14	Exio	use only english-and-common words as keywords for it
00:14	Uberi	paxcoder: wrt specific things I dislike?
00:14	[0gb_us]	Actually, getting all browsers to render JavaScript well without resorting to hacky code is a pain in the rear.
00:14	paxcoder	Uberi, yes
00:14	Uberi	sure thing
00:14	paxcoder	[0gb_us], how do you "render" JS?
00:14	Uberi	JS numbers are all internally represented as doubles
00:15	paxcoder	Uberi, ouch
00:15	Uberi	(I mean 64 bit floating point numbers, 6 bit exponent)
00:15	[0gb_us]	Or rather, "interpret", not "render". My bad.
00:15	Uberi	that means you lose a TON of precision with big numbers and can't do math properly, essentially
00:15	khonkhortisan	that sounds really bad to not have even a little control over your variable types
00:16	paxcoder	khonkhortisan, yes it does. Makes me have doubts about #asm.js
00:16	Uberi	also since numbers are all actually floats, bitwise operations are... well, you can guess
00:17	khonkhortisan	shifted?
00:17	Uberi	well, for one bitwise operations work by rounding the numbers to ints, performing the operation, then converting the int back to a float
00:18	paxcoder	a major source of problems is + being the concat operator for strings as well as a numerical operator for addition
00:18	Exio	duck typing?
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00:18	paxcoder	the truth table is messed up as well
00:18	paxcoder	Exio, no, just dynamic typing
00:18	Exio	then try duck typing
00:19	paxcoder	in JS not everything is an object
00:19	Uberi	weak typing is more of an issue
00:19	Exio	i like weak typing at some point :P
00:19	Uberi	python handles polymorphism fine, because it is strongly typed
00:19	khonkhortisan	touch typing you've lost me
00:19	Exio	Uberi: python...?
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00:19	Uberi	JS is weakly typed so polymorphism can get pretty confusing
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00:19	paxcoder	grr.. did i miss anything?
00:19	Uberi	Exio: yep
00:19	Uberi	just one line
00:19	Uberi	"(8:19:39 PM) Uberi: JS is weakly typed so polymorphism can get pretty confusing"
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00:20	WiredOnLinux	I love the new Website
00:20	Uberi	it's quite lovely, yes
00:20	Uberi	mobile friendly too, from my tests this morning
00:21	Exio	Uberi: i don't see how can python be "strongly typed" :P
00:21	Uberi	Exio: strongly typed means that things that are of one type, such as a str, don't suddenly turn into another type
00:21	Exio	strongly + dynamic you mean?
00:22	Uberi	yep
00:22	Uberi	strong/weak and dynamic/static are independent
00:22	Exio	i think i'm a bit weird, i like C weak typing :P
00:22	Uberi	well when you have polymorphism, it can get pretty messy
00:23	Uberi	for example, paxcoder gave the example of adding two things together
00:23	Uberi	"1"+"2"=="12", but 1+2==3
00:23	Exio	in those cases, yes
00:23	Uberi	this is not a big problem when you already know what the types are
00:24	paxcoder	actually, it is
00:24	Uberi	but if the language can essentially change the types around at will, it becomes a problem
00:24	paxcoder	hmm
00:24	paxcoder	my interpreter (chromium) concatinets if any of the args is a string
00:25	paxcoder	*concatenates
00:25	paxcoder	i think i saw somewhere it should add if the first thing is a number
00:25	khonkhortisan	what if the string won't turn into a number?
00:25	Exio	i would like to write a type checker just for the lulz
00:26	Uberi	khonkhortisan: the computer shuts down after sending nuclear launch codes off to north korea
00:26	Exio	i should do, a pre-processor and that stuff :P
00:26	Exio	lol Uberi
00:26	paxcoder	khonkhortisan, it doesn't
00:26	khonkhortisan	then I shall stay away
00:26	paxcoder	it's always a string
00:26	paxcoder	* always string concatenation
00:26	Exio	xD
00:26	Uberi	be back in a bit
00:27	paxcoder	also if you prepend a 0 to a number, suddenly it's octal base
00:27	paxcoder	*number literal
00:28	khonkhortisan	add a zero, multiply, take the zero, you have encryption
00:28	paxcoder	wat
00:28	Exio	"ERROR: The typechecker failed" suddenly "Sending nuclear launch codes ... b[OK]"
00:28	khonkhortisan	very weak encryption
00:28	Exio	er, fail, the [ok] should be green :P
00:29	paxcoder	khonkhortisan, that's called encoding
00:29	Exio	khonkhortisan: i always use rot13 two times for my password files
00:29	Exio	rot26 ftw!
00:29	khonkhortisan	Error: The typechecker failed. Sending nuclear launch codes [OK]
00:29	NakedFury	what is rot13?
00:30	Exio	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rot13 this explains what rot13 pretty well :P
00:30	khonkhortisan	I'll get bad data if I don't decode the rot13 :)
00:30	[0gb_us]	It's a Caesar Cipher, with a rotation of 13.
00:30	khonkhortisan	you need to store a variable for how many times it was done so the cracker doesn't get confused
00:30	khonkhortisan	and try to use it without decoding
00:31	paxcoder	oh i found it
00:31	paxcoder	'5' + 3 gives '53', whereas '5' - 3 gives 2
00:31	khonkhortisan	weird
00:31	paxcoder	implicit cast, because - is an arithmetic operator
00:31	Exio	v1 - (-1 * v2)
00:31	khonkhortisan	the minus forces arithmetic
00:32	paxcoder	that is, only an arithmetic operator
00:32	paxcoder	which is what + should be too
00:32	Exio	what about "abc" - "b" ?
00:32	Exio	ac?
00:32	paxcoder	NaN
00:32	khonkhortisan	stuff = '5' bool = true while true print(stuff) if bool then stuff = stuff + 3 else stuff = stuff - 3 end bool = not bool end
00:33	khonkhortisan	5 53 51 513 511 5113 5111
00:33	khonkhortisan	whoops I can't add
00:33	khonkhortisan	:)
00:33	paxcoder	haha, check it:
00:33	paxcoder	'5'-'2'+1
00:33	paxcoder	4
00:33	paxcoder	1 + '5'-'2'
00:33	paxcoder	13
00:34	paxcoder	(left to right evaluation obviously)
00:34	khonkhortisan	left to right
00:34	paxcoder	khonkhortisan, TYPE FASTER ;-P
00:34	khonkhortisan	that's how long it took me to think
00:34	paxcoder	haha
00:35	paxcoder	anyway, PHP now?
00:36	Exio	scheme
00:36	Exio	or racket
00:36	paxcoder	btw. if someone wants to be mind-boggled, here's JS' truth table: http://stackoverflow.com/a/1998224
00:36	paxcoder	Exio, what about them?
00:37	Exio	paxcoder: their syntax is freaking awesome
00:37	khonkhortisan	left side decides - first is string, second is number
00:37	paxcoder	Exio, are you being sarcastic? because i really think so
00:37	Exio	paxcoder: nope
00:37	paxcoder	khonkhortisan, not always, see false == '0'
00:37	Exio	it is really awesome, when you get used to it
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00:38	paxcoder	i don't think it's very practical, but it's awesome because it's simple
00:38	paxcoder	super-parsable
00:38	[0gb_us]	Minetest now keeps crashing on me, but only when I log out .... This is odd, but amusing.
00:38	Exio	paxcoder: why not?
00:38	khonkhortisan	it turns '0' into 0, and 'false' into a number repres...? hmm
00:39	paxcoder	Exio, i don't like to match parentheses. Also, I like my arithmetic operators to be inline
00:39	Exio	i like the idea of (+ x (* a (- b c))) :P
00:39	Exio	(i started hating it)
00:40	paxcoder	as much as this is fun: (+ 1 2 3 4), this isn't: (+ (- (+1 2) 3 (+ 4 5) 6) 1)
00:40	Exio	you are sure what you are doing, and you are doing useless stuff in there :P
00:41	Uberi	[0gb_us]: using a new build?
00:41	Exio	you would need to use () to be sure the stuff gets "in some order" in other programming language
00:41	Exio	wb Uberi :P
00:41	[0gb_us]	No, stable build.
00:41	Uberi	p/
00:41	Uberi	[0gb_us]: aw, in that case I have no idea
00:41	[0gb_us]	No debug info, just a segfault ...
00:42	paxcoder	Exio, i have a syntax error. well i'm not going to go through the bother of correcting it just to prove that it's a bother ;-)
00:42	Uberi	paxcoder: well I think the higher order stuff makes up for it in certain applications
00:42	paxcoder	i like SML better
00:42	[0gb_us]	Also, it only happens with a very minimalistic game. A game that only defines the nodes needed for mapgen.
00:42	paxcoder	ML*
00:42	Exio	well, ML syntax is awesome, too
00:42	[0gb_us]	OH! I forgot to define the hand. Maybe that's the issue.
00:42	Uberi	I'm a bit torn on the syntax
00:43	paxcoder	the syntax of ML is much more complex
00:43	Menche	[0gb_us], i get a segfault on logout with my minimal game, too
00:43	Exio	yep
00:43	paxcoder	but it's easier to write than scheme's
00:43	Exio	Menche: git pull && make -j6
00:43	[0gb_us]	Not the game called minimal, but a game that doesn't contain much, and is therefore minimal.
00:44	Menche	yeah, not "minimal", i just defined some nodes
00:44	[0gb_us]	Oh, okay.
00:44	Uberi	anyways, I'm gonna go write some docs for Pipeworks now
00:45	ssieb	I can't get the tube to connect to a chest...
00:45	NakedFury	what docs?
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00:45	Uberi	NakedFury: exactly :P
00:45	Uberi	there is currently no documentation except for the forum topic
00:46	Uberi	those of us who play a lot offline are tired of being unable to look up the recipes
00:46	NakedFury	ohh
00:46	[0gb_us]	Okay. no hand == segfault on logout. Good to know.
00:46	[0gb_us]	Adding the hand fixes it.
00:46	Guest18558	minetest runs at 30fps untill i try to break a node...then it crashes any suggestions?
00:46	NakedFury	make it all cool pdf style
00:46	Uberi	Guest18558: can you post `tail -n 100 debug.txt`?
00:46	Exio	Guest18558: any error message, in the console or so? (what can be useful)
00:47	Exio	i learned a new 'word' today
00:47	Exio	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yo-yo_problem
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00:47	alex256	19:29:31: ACTION[main]:         .__               __                   __
00:47	alex256	19:29:31: ACTION[main]:   _____ |__| ____   _____/  |_  ____   _______/  |_
00:47	alex256	19:29:31: ACTION[main]:  /     \|  |/    \_/ __ \   __\/ __ \ /  ___/\   __\
00:47	alex256	19:29:31: ACTION[main]: |  Y Y  \  |   |  \  ___/|  | \  ___/ \___ \  |  |
00:47	Uberi	Exio: unfortunately I see that all too often
00:47	alex256	19:29:31: ACTION[main]: |__|_|  /__|___|  /\___  >__|  \___  >____  > |__|
00:47	alex256	19:29:31: ACTION[main]:       \/        \/     \/          \/     \/
00:47	alex256	19:29:31: ACTION[main]: World at [/root/.minetest/worlds/1]
00:47	alex256	19:29:31: ACTION[main]: Server for gameid="minimal" listening on port 30011.
00:47	alex256	[minimal] giving initial stuff to player
00:47	alex256	19:29:32: ACTION[ServerThread]: singleplayer joins game. List of players: singleplayer
00:47	alex256	-------------
00:47	khonkhortisan	don't paste that here
00:47	Uberi	alex256: please use pasteall.org to paste your stuff
00:47	alex256	Separator
00:47	mauvebic	?
00:47	alex256	-------------
00:48	Menche	please use pastebin.com
00:48	Exio	damn
00:48	Uberi	uh oh, his client is doing it now
00:48	khonkhortisan	we already know the minetest text logo
00:48	mauvebic	lol
00:48	alex256	sorry...
00:48	Uberi	I prefer pasteall.org because it doesn't have any captchas :)
00:48	khonkhortisan	looks like it didn't shutdown properly
00:48	Uberi	alex256: basically we just need, say, the last 100 lines
00:48	jordan4ibanez	But you can't use pastie.org for world domination
00:48	Exio	Uberi: me too, like having 5 files for adding a line in a 6th
00:49	alex256	yes it crashes
00:49	Uberi	alex256: crashes with what message?
00:49	alex256	yes
00:50	Uberi	um
00:50	Uberi	it crashed with the message, "yes"?
00:50	Menche	please post the last dozen or so lines to one of the pastebin sites mentioned
00:50	alex256	the fist run was at 30 fps ..i could run around but when i tries to break a tree it crashed
00:50	Uberi	alex256: yes, but what was the message when it crashed?
00:51	Uberi	or was there a message at all?
00:51	jordan4ibanez	we should have reusable items, like buckets, which have a renews = "item or node" addition to them, so in the crafting table, when you use a bucket of lava, it turns into a bucket
00:51	Menche	there's already something like that
00:51	Menche	called replace or something
00:52	Uberi	yeah it's for exactly this purpose too
00:52	alex256	singleplayer digs default:tree at(-96,11,608) is the last thing it says.....
00:52	Uberi	alex256: do you have any mods/custom games?
00:52	Uberi	or any other customizations?
00:52	Uberi	do you have shaders enabled?
00:53	Uberi	which game is your world using?
00:53	alex256	no just installed the puppy 0.4.6 on a spare computer
00:53	alex256	minetest_game
00:54	alex256	i can reboot the computer and play as long as i dont break a node?
00:54	Uberi	jordan4ibanez: to answer your question, use "replacements = {'bucket:bucket_lava', 'bucker:bucket_empty'}" or something like that in the craftdef
00:54	Uberi	alex256: can you paste the contents of your minetest.conf?
00:54	Uberi	it's in your minetest installation folder
00:54	jordan4ibanez	:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
00:56	jordan4ibanez	Sorry, I have a lot of mouths
00:56	alex256	http://pastie.org/7493590
00:57	Uberi	hmm, never seen that happen before
00:58	alex256	lol
00:58	Menche	looks perfectly normal
00:58	vidplace7	test more mines B-)
00:58	alex256	sure wait on minute lol'
01:00	khonkhortisan	I've read about APL, and now I don't want to loop over my array :(
01:01	Uberi	khonkhortisan: have you seen any significant APL programs yet? there's a reason they're so rare
01:01	alex256	http://pastie.org/7493620
01:01	Uberi	it's because the original programmers have all gone insane
01:01	khonkhortisan	I thought that's what happened with COBOL
01:01	Uberi	history repeats itself
01:01	khonkhortisan	running minetest as root?
01:01	khonkhortisan	What if you download a bad mod?
01:01	alex256	yes
01:01	Menche	i noticed that too
01:02	Uberi	khonkhortisan: puppy linux, he said
01:02	Uberi	by default you login as root in that distro
01:02	khonkhortisan	Does that not have users?
01:02	khonkhortisan	oh
01:02	Uberi	it's meant for live cds
01:02	khonkhortisan	I have it on my flash drive, I don't run it much
01:02	Menche	it logs you in as root?
01:02	alex256	not by default
01:02	alex256	tyes
01:03	Uberi	I might be thinking of Slax though, I've used that much more than Puppy
01:03	alex256	same version of everything on another computer works fine so i know its not mine test...
01:04	Exio	1 minute for 6mb over lan
01:06	alex256	i just find it wierd i can run around until i punh a tree or dirt....
01:07	Exio	does it segfault? what mods are you using?
01:07	alex256	i can get apples off of trees and eat them but when i try to break a node it crashes
01:07	alex256	no mods
01:07	Exio	(and playing with minimal?)
01:07	alex256	yes
01:07	alex256	both games
01:07	Exio	do you have the same problem with minetest/common?
01:08	alex256	at 30fps until i try and break a node
01:08	lordcirth	puppy still logs in as root by default afaik, but you can su to 'fido'
01:08	Uberi	wait wait you're playing the minimal game?
01:09	alex256	i have tried both
01:09	alex256	same result
01:10	Exio	what is the output of your terminal? "Segfault"? or what?
01:11	alex256	let me include ...only 64 mb of video memory....maybe that is whats doing it...just wierd i can run aroud with 30 fps and eat apples ...only when i break a node does the game crash...wierd?
01:12	jordan4ibanez	should there be a black cauldron you can make with coal?
01:12	Exio	i don't think that can be a problem with minimal
01:12	Uberi	also it's wierd how the exact same thing works on your other computer
01:12	Exio	it works here with 8~ MB <what the bios says> of video memory :)
01:12	alex256	let me download 0.3.1 and see if i have the same results
01:12	Exio	ehm..
01:13	Exio	30kb/s IN LAN
01:13	Exio	this wireless is awesome
01:21	lordcirth	Exio, but your computer is probably allocating RAM to the GPU as well
01:21	lordcirth	maybe his isn't
01:21	Exio	lordcirth: ?
01:21	khonkhortisan	Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo!
01:21	Exio	k, this is getting weird
01:21	lordcirth	Exio, you said you have 8MB VRAM, but most OS's will assign RAM to graphics as needed
01:21	khonkhortisan	If you can understand that...
01:22	Exio	lordcirth: ram to the graphics? how would that work? (this is a netbook - btw)
01:23	lordcirth	Exio, if you run low on VRAM, most OS's will set aside spare RAM for the graphics card - its a bit slower than accesing VRAM but better than crashing
01:23	Exio	i didn't know that
01:23	lordcirth	for example, I have a 1GB card but its allowed to take up to 2GB of my RAM if it needs to
01:24	Exio	any codename for that? i'd like to search more about it
01:25	Exio	and i don't even have a full gb of ram here (1gb - gpu vram - etc)
01:25	Exio	-/+ buffers/cache:         70        920
01:26	lordcirth	Exio, can't think of/remember what its called - and now that I think about it, I forget the command I ran to find out its assigned 2GB
01:26	lordcirth	if you only have 1GB RAM, very little/none might be allocated to GPU
01:27	Exio	exactly
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01:27	Exio	hi jordan4ibanez
01:27	Exio	er, jojoa1997|Tablet
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01:27	Exio	"jo<tab>"
01:27	jordan4ibanez	hello
01:27	khonkhortisan	luajit didn't make it on the jit wikipedia page
01:28	TorpedoSkyline	Hey guys, just installed Minetest and I'm having the weirdest issue... I can't create a new world to play in. xD
01:28	TorpedoSkyline	Windows 8 64-bit, official build, 0.4.6
01:28	lordcirth	TorpedoSkyline, what error msg?
01:28	TorpedoSkyline	No error message at all, it just doesn't display it in the list of worlds.
01:28	Deivan	In a formspec how I send items to the user main item list?
01:28	Exio	perm problems, seems to
01:29	lordcirth	TorpedoSkyline, so you hit New, and what happens? nothing?
01:29	Deivan	The name main don't is the correct...
01:29	Exio	lordcirth: btw, how much ram do you have? :P
01:29	lordcirth	Exio, 8GB
01:29	TorpedoSkyline	lordcirth, I hit new and it brings me to a place to enter a name and select game. Type in the name and select a game, click create, and it doesn't show up in the list.
01:30	lordcirth	Exio, full tower PC, slight advantage :)
01:30	TorpedoSkyline	As if I had done nothing.
01:30	Exio	i was going to upgrade my desktop to 12gb but the days i was going to went it rain
01:30	lordcirth	TorpedoSkyline, what OS?
01:30	TorpedoSkyline	lordcirth, Windows 8 64-bit.
01:30	jojoa1997|Tablet	Hello!
01:31	Exio	TorpedoSkyline: does that happens when you run minetest as administrator?
01:31	lordcirth	TorpedoSkyline, oh right sry. run it from cmd so you can get any error messages
01:31	TorpedoSkyline	Exio, good question...
01:31	Exio	(where do you have minetest?)
01:31	lordcirth	Exio, ya I was thinking it might be permissions
01:31	jojoa1997|Tablet	I lobe jeija's new minetest costomizer. i have a compiler without the hassle
01:31	TorpedoSkyline	C:\Program Files (x86)\Minetest-0.4.6
01:31	Exio	yep, that is the problem :P
01:31	Exio	run it in a "non-protected" directory
01:31	TorpedoSkyline	boom, yep
01:32	Exio	like "Personal files" or C:\Games or w/e
01:32	TorpedoSkyline	thanks Exio and lordcirth, that was the exactly the problem.
01:32	Exio	:D
01:32	lordcirth	np
01:35	TorpedoSkyline	this is so awesome =D
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01:37	sdzen	so why the website change btw people
01:38	sdzen	I really liked the green one that was set up
01:39	khonkhortisan	the background is one of the submissions for the cloud menu
01:41	Exio	j/*
01:41	Exio	er
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01:48	StarDancer	hey, I was wondering, does anyone know what's needed to make rails and power rails connect visually?
01:49	StarDancer	they both appear to chain to themselves, but will not chain to eachother, that I can see
01:49	Exio	some patches to the engine, there was some pull requests around for that
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01:50	StarDancer	also, can anyone recommend a good code reader? I'm on windows, viewing stuff in notepad, and all of the indents and line returns are jumbled, so it's a great glob of difficult to decypher text
01:50	khonkhortisan	StarDancer, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/473
01:50	sdzen	so does that justify it?
01:50	sdzen	a runner up?
01:50	sdzen	:P
01:51	jojoa1997|Tablet	StarDancer notepad++
01:51	khonkhortisan	It works, it's just not merged.
01:51	Exio	StarDancer: notepad++ is pretty good imo
01:51	Exio	er
01:52	StarDancer	er, what do you mean, khonkhortisan?
01:53	khonkhortisan	That commit works perfectly for joining different types of rails. The problem is that it's still a pull request and minetest doesn't do that by default.
01:54	jordan4ibanez	in this scenario you cannot walk up the stairs on the plank of wood http://i.imgur.com/qchfFfA.png
01:55	khonkhortisan	What is the actual height you can walk up?
01:55	khonkhortisan	I assume you'd fall a little before hitting that step
01:56	NakedFury	I think the max we can climb without jumping is half a node
01:56	jordan4ibanez	you don't
01:56	NakedFury	"I think"
01:56	jordan4ibanez	since the client detects that there is no collision detection going on under you, it thinks you are falling, and will not run the code to move you upward
01:57	jordan4ibanez	this also makes it so you cannot jump, on normal nodes, if you move to the edge, you also experience the same effect with the bug in the client collision detection
01:59	khonkhortisan	there are buttons on your shoes and enough of them must be pressed for the jets to activate
02:04	Deivan	jojoa1997|Tablet, I already update the workbench.
02:04	Deivan	I need eat some...  Cya.
02:04	Deivan	AFK
02:05	Exio	"A programmer has a problem, so they decided to use threads. Now problems two they have."
02:16	lordcirth	Exio, is the Yoda grammar supposed to imply race conditions?
02:17	Exio	lordcirth: yep
02:17	Exio	other http://xkcd.com/1171/
02:18	lordcirth	Exio, ever hear the programmer's version of 99 bottles?
02:19	khonkhortisan	every time 'problems' goes the wrong way, just start over (git checkout master)
02:19	Exio	nope lordcirth
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02:21	lordcirth	Exio, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=nPuHip9J
02:24	Exio	lol
02:24	lordcirth	Exio, is so true tho
02:26	Exio	most of those "jokes" are a "true" too :P
02:33	ShadowNinja	proller__: do you have screenshots of math mapgen?
02:33	proller__	go to server DEV fractal world
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02:38	proller__	and fly deeep
02:38	proller__	its mandelbox
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02:50	ShadowNinja	at -2000 it just stops
02:51	khonkhortisan	fractal?
02:52	ShadowNinja	math mapgen, mandelbrot I think
02:53	Exio	i would like a way to define math-functions with some functions what can "generate" the terrain
02:53	khonkhortisan	menger sponge?
02:53	hmmmm	hah
02:53	hmmmm	make it out of sponge blocks
03:02	hmmmm	welp
03:02	hmmmm	that was unproductive
03:02	hmmmm	i know why proller didn't give a screenshot too, it doesn't look flattering in 2d
03:04	VanessaE	bbl
03:04	VanessaE	sleep
03:05	Exio	wow
03:05	Exio	making grass, dirt and stone liquid but with "normal" values to walkable, buildable_to, etc
03:05	Exio	=> "non blocky world" :P
03:06	Menche	you can make liquid non-walkable?
03:06	Menche	but the collisionbox would still be a full node right?
03:07	Exio	try it, it is.. weird :P
03:07	Menche	i remember someone did that with sand
03:07	Exio	aw, i'm not the only who is bored? :P
03:07	* Menche	starts making a roof out of stone... aaaa it's covering the entire hiiiillll.....
03:08	Exio	hehe
03:09	* Menche	is swept away in a flood of stone
03:09	Menche	what happens when non-walkable liquid dumps on you anyway?
03:09	Exio	00:10:34: ACTION[ServerThread]: singleplayer digs default:dirt_flowing at (442,17,824)
03:10	Exio	Menche: like sand
03:13	Exio	i have my inv full of flowing dirt, flowing stone and flowing dirt_with_grass!
03:13	Exio	:D
03:14	* Menche	starts throwing balls of liquid dirt around
03:14	Exio	the problem of having a world of full flowing nodes
03:15	Exio	from my normal 200~ FPS
03:15	Exio	it went to... 20
03:15	Menche	lol
03:15	Menche	liquids are that hard to draw?
03:15	Menche	or would it be all the calculations for flowing
03:15	Exio	no idea really
03:15	Exio	maybe the calculations, i'd say
03:16	Menche	then finite_liquids is enabled...
03:16	Exio	nah, that would make have 2 FPS
03:16	Menche	and the continent washes out to sea...
03:16	Exio	lol
03:16	khonkhortisan	Congratulations, you have unified the world.
03:17	Menche	that would be really laggy, all the caves would flow in on themselves
03:17	Exio	xD
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03:21	Exio	btw Menche, i have liquid_update=0
03:21	Exio	it is not like the liquid flowing is limited or so
03:22	Exio	it flows at the speed of my cpu :P
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03:24	Exio	nuu, my world is getting flat
03:25	Menche	you enabled finite_liquid?
03:25	Exio	yep
03:25	* Menche	goes to try that
03:25	Exio	xD
03:25	lordcirth	so I made a nuclear gen for Technic
03:25	lordcirth	LV
03:32	Exio	finally the kernel started working and separated the process in a proper way
03:33	Exio	now minetest is using my whole first module, and jackd is in the third :D
03:33	Exio	well, not whole, "half"
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03:52	Exio	Menche: you were right
03:52	Exio	now i have half of the ocean with a dirt/stone/grass/sand "cover"
03:54	RealBadAngel	lordcirth, can i see the code?
03:54	Exio	a bit more than half :P
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05:36	hmmmm	http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/132626/3d-printers-a-border-security-threat-minister
05:36	hmmmm	you can print off sheets of ecstasy tablets with 3d printers according to this guy
05:37	Exio	lemme print gold and sell it
05:37	mauvebic	dibs on 3d-printable meth :p
05:39	khonkhortisan	gotta have printer-compatible pellets, that's all
05:40	mauvebic	can a 3d printer print a 3d printer?
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05:43	mauvebic	apparently so http://reprap.org/wiki/Main_Page
05:52	khonkhortisan	it can print most of it
05:58	mauvebic	lol http://mediacdn.disqus.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/269/6243/original.jpg
06:00	khonkhortisan	I never counted the screens
06:00	mauvebic	meh, most of my dvd's stopped working years ago lol
06:00	mauvebic	and if it aint that, its the 6th or 7th player that breaks down lol
06:09	[0gb_us]	Nice. I think the answer is to hack your DVD player to allow you to skip the ads.
06:09	mauvebic	aint nobody got time for dat
06:09	[0gb_us]	I know, but funny.
06:10	mauvebic	with internet speeds today, you can dl faster than sitting through all the unskippable crap lol
06:11	[0gb_us]	True. I'm watching streaming stuff quickly right now.
06:11	[0gb_us]	At has ads, but they are a lot shorter than those of paid DVDs.
06:11	[0gb_us]	*Have
06:12	mauvebic	dunno why they go out of their way to make paid dvd's so painful, its like they want people to pirate stuff
06:12	[0gb_us]	Yeah ....
06:14	mauvebic	i mean, its not like the pirates ever see the warning screens lol
06:14	[0gb_us]	I was just talking to my brother about that.
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07:18	MinetestBot	GIT: darkrose commited to minetest/minetest: Merge pull request #654 from ShadowNinja/remove_old_makefile 1f42479e0c 2013-04-14T00:18:11-07:00 http://git.io/YmZs3Q
07:23	* VanessaE	peeks back in
07:23	VanessaE	boo.
07:24	Exio	hi wild VanessaE!
07:25	VanessaE	hey.
07:38	Exio	what's up?
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07:40	VanessaE	I am :-/
07:40	VanessaE	sleep didn't happen tonight
07:41	Exio	got that
07:42	Exio	i was playing with my microphone and signing, suddenly 4:40AM
07:42	Exio	*yawns* i'm going to sleep soon :P
07:42	Exio	(yes, i'm bored)
07:44	VanessaE	nnoooooooooo
07:45	VanessaE	someone has to keep me company :)
07:46	Exio	haha
07:47	Exio	VanessaE: make a good(?) crosshair texture
07:50	Exio	k, going to sleep, good night
08:10	VanessaE	eh
08:11	VanessaE	a crosshair?  is that even texturable yet?
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09:43	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
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10:32	Calinou	hi
10:40	VanessaE	hey
10:49	* Calinou	almost finished updating minecraft enhanced to 0.4.6
10:49	Calinou	added sponge mod support too
10:49	Calinou	(fun fact: it looks REALLY ugly without shaders)
10:49	VanessaE	I just added a bunch of new stuff in the last couple days to HDX also
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11:06	Deivan	Is possible change the face of a node, the image of the face?
11:06	Deivan	I need the same for a object in the inventory.
11:09	VanessaE	you can either supply a new texture or redefine the node
11:09	Deivan	How, I set the image but nothing happen.
11:10	VanessaE	you probably named it wrong or put it in the wrong location
11:10	Deivan	Well, double checking now...  AFK
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11:11	KikaRz	Good morning people
11:11	VanessaE	hey
11:11	Deivan	Good morning.
11:12	Deivan	I use this line to set: item.inventory_image = <image.png>
11:12	Deivan	No effect.
11:12	VanessaE	no
11:12	Deivan	Only work in the nod/tool definition...
11:12	VanessaE	inventory_image = "filename.png",
11:12	Deivan	Yes.
11:12	Deivan	Is it
11:12	markveidemanis	inventorycube...
11:12	Deivan	<> is a variable.
11:12	Deivan	Only a notation...
11:12	VanessaE	and tiles = {"another filename.png"},
11:13	Deivan	Don't is working here...  The comma is necessary?
11:13	VanessaE	yes
11:13	Deivan	Hum...  More tests.
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11:15	Deivan	Don't is working...
11:16	Deivan	item.inventory_image = watch.images_d[1]..","
11:16	Deivan	item.inventory_image = watch.images_d[1]..
11:16	Deivan	Nothing...
11:16	Deivan	item.inventory_image = watch.images_d[1]
11:16	PilzAdam	Deivan, paste your whole code
11:17	Deivan	Is a single line...
11:17	Deivan	:-/
11:17	Deivan	I will test without a variable...
11:17	Deivan	Moment.
11:19	Deivan	I catch the item from item=itemstack:to_table() in a on_use event
11:19	Deivan	I tested with a tool and with a node.
11:19	Deivan	The next line is item.inventory_image = "a.png"
11:19	Deivan	Only this
11:20	Deivan	But don't is working.  I am working in the watch mod and this guy make a node for each face.
11:20	Deivan	My project is a routine to change the face, but don't is working...
11:20	PilzAdam	you want to change the texture of an item at runtime?
11:20	Deivan	Yes.
11:20	PilzAdam	thats not possible
11:20	Deivan	This is my question...
11:21	Deivan	Is possible set a annimation to a node/
11:21	Deivan	?
11:21	Deivan	And change what animation I need show?
11:21	PilzAdam	yes, see the torch in the default mod
11:21	Deivan	But the torch don't change the animation at running time.
11:21	PilzAdam	but you cant set the animation frame manually
11:21	Deivan	I need, well, 12 animations.
11:22	Deivan	Or 12 frames.
11:22	Deivan	Or I play a frame and wait or a change animations.
11:24	Deivan	Hum... Tiles have a name, why?
11:25	Deivan	Is the file name...  :-/
11:25	KikaRz	Deivan, look out the spam... You are being like me after my big change...
11:25	KikaRz	Write everything in one line.
11:25	Deivan	I am thinking...
11:26	Deivan	I test some codes here if someone have a idea please call me. :D
11:26	Deivan	AFK
11:26	KikaRz	VanessaE, i love the initial image, of your texture pack (when we enter the game
11:26	VanessaE	thanks
11:26	VanessaE	I need to update that image though
11:27	VanessaE	it shows some old textures now
11:27	KikaRz	I love this inventory!!! OMG!!!
11:27	VanessaE	:D
11:27	KikaRz	so pretty *w*
11:27	Deivan	Is a problem if I make a tool as a entity?
11:27	VanessaE	Deivan: might be, dunno
11:27	Deivan	Well, more tests.  Thanks.
11:27	Deivan	AFK
11:28	KikaRz	I had to reenter... world wasn't loading
11:28	VanessaE	that might have been my fault, I was just uploading some images to my webspace
11:28	VanessaE	(I might have been taking up all the bandwidth there)
11:29	KikaRz	Ok
11:29	KikaRz	now i think its fine
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11:42	KikaRz	VanessaE
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11:42	KikaRz	If the rollercoaster guy don't talk to me, i'll destroy the part of his rollercoaster, that is in my place
11:46	KikaRz	Ok, VanessaE?
11:49	VanessaE	hm?
11:51	KikaRz	VanessaE?
11:51	KikaRz	where are the leaves from the farm?
11:52	VanessaE	leaves from the farm?
11:52	KikaRz	Yea
11:52	KikaRz	:C
11:53	VanessaE	I don't understand
11:53	KikaRz	Come to.
11:54	KikaRz	Come to the server...
11:54	VanessaE	coming now.
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12:11	markveidemanis	Help with chatcommand:
12:11	markveidemanis	/cls, clear the screen
12:17	KikaRz	I'm back.
12:20	VanessaE	and I'm off to bed
12:20	VanessaE	night all.
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13:01	Zeg9	Hi !
13:01	markveidemanis	Hello Zeg
13:01	markveidemanis	Join 86.158.246.237, were making bas080 a BDay present
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13:29	markveidemanis	Hi
13:37	lordcirth	markveidemanis, joining for lulz
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13:49	rubenwardy	hi all
13:49	paxcoder	hey
13:51	KikaRz	Hi rubenwardy
13:56	rubenwardy	any news?
13:56	markveidemanis	YES
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13:57	* Mati^1	hi
13:57	markveidemanis	86.158.246.237 for [0000]
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13:57	markveidemanis	[] il tell you what its for when you are on
13:59	KikaRz	VanessaE?
13:59	KikaRz	server down?
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13:59	[0gb_us]	!up vanessae.mine.bz
13:59	KikaRz	It said *** Server shutting down
13:59	[0gb_us]	Ah. No bot.
13:59	KikaRz	:s
14:00	KikaRz	Waiting content...
14:00	Octupus	Bang Bang
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14:00	KikaRz	Hi YoungDerp
14:00	KikaRz	Hi Kacey
14:00	Octupus	Hi Kacey
14:00	Kacey	uugh
14:01	KikaRz	DOUGH!
14:01	KikaRz	we cant put torches in the air
14:01	KikaRz	or server crash
14:01	Octupus	Im gonna come back to my guys
14:01	KikaRz	msg NickServ Identify kaka1822121
14:01	Octupus	If you guys don't mind :)
14:01	KikaRz	OMG!!!
14:01	KikaRz	:@
14:01	KikaRz	damn
14:01	KikaRz	damn
14:02	[0gb_us]	Time for a new password, I guess.
14:03	[0gb_us]	Even if no one saw, this room is being recorded, so ...
14:03	KikaRz	0gb_us, it's fakez :B
14:03	Octupus	I like kaka but he is way to old he even shud by be substitute for Real Madrid he. Should be RESERVE
14:03	KikaRz	if you type your real password, it appears *******
14:03	KikaRz	XD
14:04	[0gb_us]	Hmm. I would test that, but I don't want to lose my password ...
14:04	KikaRz	just connect you in another tab
14:04	KikaRz	and Query
14:04	KikaRz	to yourself
14:04	Octupus	***********
14:04	KikaRz	*or query to yourself
14:04	Octupus	It works lol
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14:06	bas080	Reporting irrelevant(offtopic) post http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=83993#p83993
14:07	markveidemanis	My server now has no biomes, just grass
14:07	Octupus	Where da heck is LAD
14:07	PilzAdam	bas080, thats a valid question
14:07	bas080	It is not relevant to the topic tbm
14:08	[0gb_us]	Where should he ask then?
14:08	PilzAdam	dont be so strictly against offtopic
14:08	bas080	pm, irc , email
14:08	PilzAdam	the forum is a communication platform for humans, not for on-topic bots
14:09	[0gb_us]	There's no reason to contact him directly. I know a lot of people ignore my pms and emails. And he might not be on  IRC.
14:09	KikaRz	bas080, happy birthday :)
14:09	bas080	Ty KikaRz
14:11	Octupus	Happy Birthday bas my birthday was last week Sunday :)
14:11	KikaRz	mine is 22 april...
14:11	Octupus	:)
14:14	bas080	April rules! :)
14:15	KikaRz	<3
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14:18	Aggies	ello
14:20	KikaRz	ello
14:20	Octupus	Hero
14:21	lordcirth	are textures automatically downloaded from the server if needed?
14:21	KikaRz	yh
14:21	KikaRz	i think
14:22	lordcirth	well, that makes showing mods easier
14:25	markveidemanis	lordcirth
14:25	markveidemanis	I have finished screwing with the map setting
14:27	lordcirth	markveidemanis, good
14:27	KikaRz	VanessaE, the 12M21 rollercoaster has been destroyed
14:31	markveidemanis	I need a painting mod
14:31	KikaRz	Search for it at: forum.minetest.net
14:31	markveidemanis	That searchengine is bad, il use google :D
14:32	markveidemanis	6 matches
14:32	markveidemanis	Apple store: make me a fire
14:32	markveidemanis	No matches
14:33	Aggies	lol
14:35	* Aggies	goeslooking for Kacey
14:39	* Kacey	hands Aggies a spacebar
14:39	* Aggies	says it is hard typing sideways
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14:44	Aggies	hey kacey i got ror to work
14:47	Aggies	lagmeter 25.1
14:47	Aggies	seconds
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14:53	Kacey	Aggies, you need to switch from XChat to HexChat
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14:53	Aggies	k
14:58	KikaRz	hey
14:58	KikaRz	VNC allow us to graphical support in vps?
14:58	KikaRz	https://freevps.us/thread-6334.html
14:59	markveidemanis	Who can edit me the mod that allows to paint
14:59	markveidemanis	It crashen when i place painted canvas
15:01	sfan5	KikaRz: ye
15:01	sfan5	*yes
15:01	KikaRz	COOL!
15:01	sfan5	but its not intendet to use a gui with a virtual server
15:02	sfan5	as that makes it really slow
15:02	KikaRz	well
15:02	KikaRz	its easier if we use a gui...
15:02	KikaRz	well
15:02	KikaRz	anyways...
15:02	KikaRz	Who knows a 128 MB Ram free vps?
15:02	KikaRz	or 256?
15:02	INeedANewNick	They don
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15:03	INeedANewNick	*don't work well at all.
15:05	sfan5	KikaRz: if you NEED to install a gui on a server to set it up correctly, you don't deserve a vps
15:06	KikaRz	Whaaaa????
15:07	KikaRz	not that
15:07	KikaRz	i don't want to install it on the vps
15:08	KikaRz	i just asked.
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15:08	Octupus	Hello
15:08	Octupus	Hello
15:08	Octupus	Anyone remember my ass HMM
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15:09	Kacey	who are you?
15:09	Kacey	lo
15:09	Kacey	lol
15:09	KikaRz	LAD = captainLAD
15:10	LAD	yea what?
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15:10	Kacey	https://github.com/Kaceyproductions/xytest my newest mod
15:10	KikaRz	what it ha?
15:10	KikaRz	*has?
15:12	Guest90360	would i get baned if i spam?
15:12	PilzAdam	sure
15:12	Guest90360	:)
15:13	markveidemanis	wanna spam?
15:13	markveidemanis	go to #spam
15:13	markveidemanis	+i
15:13	markveidemanis	lol kicked already :D
15:14	telek	If you wanna spam, go to the grocery store!
15:14	markveidemanis	lol
15:14	rubenwardy	lol
15:14	markveidemanis	http://pastie.org/7525629 help
15:14	markveidemanis	Crash when i place painter pic
15:14	markveidemanis	painting:pic
15:15	Guest90360	ok i was dared to do it and im not aloud to back out so ban Octupus for this :)
15:15	Guest90360	.
15:15	Guest90360	.
15:15	Guest90360	.
15:15	Guest90360	.
15:15	Guest90360	.
15:15	Guest90360	.
15:15	Guest90360	.
15:15	Guest90360	.
15:15	Guest90360	.
15:15		Guest90360 was kicked by sfan5: Guest90360
15:15	rubenwardy	lol
15:16	Octupus	What a lier
15:16		LAD was kicked by sfan5: LAD
15:16	rubenwardy	you know what is coming when you see this:
15:16	rubenwardy	(4:15:54 PM) mode (+o sfan5) by ChanServ
15:17	telek	Yep
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15:17	KikaRz	People
15:17	KikaRz	who knows a free VPS?
15:17	LAD	i do
15:17	telek	KikaRz: Google does!
15:18		LAD was kicked by sfan5: LAD
15:19	KikaRz	telek, no, he doesn't
15:19	Octupus	Please unban lad sfan he was being retarded
15:19	Octupus	I will watch him
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15:20	KikaRz	COME ON!
15:20	Aggies	kacey i'll turn on teamviewer so you can do it k
15:20	Kacey	not right now
15:21	Aggies	y not
15:21	Kacey	i am lagging
15:21	KikaRz	Someone, can tell me damn free vps?
15:21	Aggies	o
15:21	Octupus	sfan5: Can you please unban LAD he was just bored cause no one talked to him anymore
15:21	sfan5	why should I, he spammed
15:22	Octupus	He was lonely pleae unban I won't let him do it gain
15:22	Octupus	Please sfan5
15:22	PilzAdam	Octupus, the reason doesnt matter
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15:24	Octupus	One more chance sfan5 or you can ban me instead
15:25	markveidemanis	LOL
15:26	sfan5	fuck
15:26	sfan5	that was wrong
15:26	Octupus	Why you unban everyone lol
15:26	Aggies	dude
15:26	ShadowNinja	LOL
15:26	sfan5	i accidently clicked the wrong button
15:26	sfan5	damn you, xchat developers
15:26	Octupus	You gonna have to reban all of them?
15:27	Aggies	rotfl
15:28	markveidemanis	LOOOL
15:28	markveidemanis	i will do it if you op ,e
15:29	Aggies	wtf
15:29	KikaRz	Omg...
15:29	Aggies	wht
15:29	KikaRz	UNBAN RAFFLE
15:30	Aggies	this is hilarious
15:32	KikaRz	who can help me?
15:32	KikaRz	to register my vps?
15:32	KikaRz	i got a problem...
15:33	INeedANewNick	I cna help reban them,
15:33	KikaRz	INeedANewNick [~rarkeninunaffiliated/rarkenin]
15:33	KikaRz	rarkenin needs a new nick
15:34	Aggies	wait kacey y do i need hexchat not xchat
15:34	PilzAdam	INeedANewNick, use pwgen to get a new nick
15:34	KikaRz	Login You Have Been Blacklisted - Contact Support
15:34	KikaRz	o_o'
15:34	KikaRz	Really? o_O'
15:35	INeedANewNick	Doesn't pwgen just generate strong passwords without any thought?
15:35	Kacey	XChat will stop working after a period and then you have to pay to use it
15:35	PilzAdam	yes
15:35	KikaRz	Kacey, nope
15:35	Kacey	HexChat stays free
15:35	Kacey	for windows
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15:35	PilzAdam	Kacey, only on windows
15:35	KikaRz	PilzAdam, nope
15:35	Aggies	o when canu do it
15:36	INeedANewNick	You see, I'm not just trying to get a random nick. I'm trying to get one that represents who I am.
15:36	Kacey	when i get back to my grandma's
15:36	Aggies	k
15:36	KikaRz	http://www.rinkworks.com/namegen/
15:36	KikaRz	that helps
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15:36	Aggies	which is when it needs to b before noon
15:37	INeedANewNick	Something English or based on my real name helps.
15:37	KikaRz	Anariaru, this is a good name for you, INeedANewNick
15:37	INeedANewNick	But NOT so much that my identity is guessed.
15:37	Kacey	afternoon
15:37	INeedANewNick	What does Anariaru represent?
15:37	* Kacey	hands INeedANewNick a new nick
15:38	Aggies	f*** then i can't have it yet because i leave at around noon
15:38	LAD	If i fuck up again My firend will pay? what is this an italian maphia no can tlak to him like for fuck sack i do something ban me not him, and if any one should get banned for fuck sack read this it will in lighten your eyes and see what problems other people have other than one little 5 second spam http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5616
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15:39	INeedANewNick	Unbanned about 13 minutes ago, at it again
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15:39	LAD	i did't spam
15:40	Aggies	yep it is wierd what they do
15:40	LAD	im standing up for a friend that is being persucuted for my actions
15:40	Octupus	Stfu LAD
15:40	LAD	Octu please i hate seeing people take rage out on people for my actions :(
15:40	INeedANewNick	Although I have no authority to enforce this, please calm down.
15:41	PilzAdam	LAD, please stop being offtopic
15:41	LAD	...
15:41	INeedANewNick	Can we move to a topical channel and discuss this?
15:41	Octupus	Just shush its all good now lo
15:41	KikaRz	Guys? Who the H*ck can give me a free vps site?????
15:41	KikaRz	:@
15:42	LAD	im just sad ok guys
15:42	* telek	sticks a sock in KikaRz' :@
15:42	Aggies	thank u telek
15:42	* KikaRz	punches telek because he sticked a sock in her mother.
15:42	telek	As to the offtopic-stuff
15:42	KikaRz	Go to your room now!
15:43	telek	How about a #minetest-chat channel, keep the basic help and sch here and move all our day to day chat to the -chat channel?
15:43	* telek	eyerolls and afks to his room :)
15:44	INeedANewNick	I think this is a good idea.
15:44	KikaRz	telek, this isn't offtopic...
15:44	KikaRz	I Need a vps for a Minetest server -.-
15:45	INeedANewNick	I think it should still go into #minetest-chat since #minetest is directly about gameplay, modding, etc.
15:45	INeedANewNick	You shouldn't take offense for this, it's a valid question, and has something to do with Minetest, just not that closely.
15:45	ShadowNinja	but will it just die like -delta -mods and -doc?
15:46	KikaRz	Oh my f*ckin god...
15:46	rubenwardy	nope, stay in #minetest
15:46	KikaRz	Can you please, tell me a site?
15:46	INeedANewNick	OK, Freenode OPed me in there for some reason, should I put through the registration?
15:46	rubenwardy	ShadowNinja: and -wiki
15:47	rubenwardy	http://host1free.com/
15:47	rubenwardy	KikaRz ^^
15:47	KikaRz	No
15:47	KikaRz	That doesn't work.
15:47	KikaRz	I can't register... 1 VPS per IP...
15:48	KikaRz	and i dont remember mine.
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15:53	PilzAdam	Zeg9, could you please stop writing "+1" under every single pull request?
15:53	Zeg9	I will, sorry. I'll remove my useless comments
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16:16	markveidemanis	AUTOCORREST CAN GO TO H'ELL
16:16	Aggies	yeah
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16:28	alex256	well i have a new respect for minetest seeing it run on a low spec. computer...
16:29	telek	alex256: How low spec?
16:29	markveidemanis	hi
16:29	Aggies	mmmk
16:30	alex256	dell demension 2400 with 32mb radeon video card..
16:30	Aggies	k
16:30	markveidemanis	I am launching a PAINT challenge
16:31	markveidemanis	On 86.158.111.163
16:32	alex256	for some reason it would crash with the intergrated 64 mb card....so i stuck an old drawer pci video card in it and it worked great...
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16:33	Aggies	lol
16:34	Aggies	fishy fishy
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16:35	alex256	what really is wierd is it runs better with a 32mb radeon than a 256mb radeon...wierd..guess its all about the cpu
16:37	alex256	puppy/old intergrated intel graphics = :(
16:38	ShadowNinja	alex256: Minetest was designed for slow graphic cards, that is why it doesn't do so well on better cards
16:38	Aggies	fishy mcbites mcbites
16:38	telek	alex256: Nice.
16:38	alex256	that is really cool shadow
16:39	telek	Lowest I've used it on so far is a 9800+P3
16:39	telek	Radeon that is.
16:39	telek	Mods can obliterate the 'low end' usage though
16:40	alex256	im am using a radeon 7000 32 mb pci and i get 45 fps...and i think that is freaking awesome
16:40	alex256	2.8 mhz pentium 4
16:42	telek	That IS good.
16:42	alex256	i have always disliked intel...but...i have to admit here its pretty awesome at the moment
16:42	RealBadAngel	seems like i do have UI crafting guide working again, better than ever
16:43	Aggies	i give up
16:43	telek	I got either 30 or 60 fps on the 9800 with the basic minetest package way back when. With a decent set of mods it tends to half that fps rating though.
16:43	telek	Aggies: ?
16:43	RealBadAngel	telek, are u using luajit?
16:43	alex256	yea the pentium is blowing the amd sempron away..
16:43	ShadowNinja	55 pull requests and counting...
16:43	Aggies	fishy fishy
16:44	alex256	mcbites lol
16:44	Aggies	ha finally
16:44	telek	RBA: Nope. At the moment I'm not even running a server. Not sure if it's permissions issues again or what, but my minetest install is now complaining none of the base modules are available when trying to load my worlds.
16:45	RealBadAngel	try it then, luajit speeds up all lua code at least 2 times
16:45	telek	I'll have to. Very least it might help with the map loading stuff.
16:46	telek	FYI dedicated server though
16:46	RealBadAngel	it helps overall
16:46	telek	So the frame rates are strictly client related.
16:46	RealBadAngel	are you on linux?
16:47	telek	Also minetest is totally playable over dialup :) And yeah.
16:47	RealBadAngel	http://luajit.org/download/LuaJIT-2.0.1.tar.gz  unpack, enter /src folder
16:47	alex256	^^^^^wow dial up huh
16:47	Aggies	yay
16:47	RealBadAngel	make, make install
16:47	RealBadAngel	then just recompile minetest
16:51	Aggies	afk
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16:53	Aggies	back
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17:00	alex256	!up 108.237.169.225
17:00	MinetestBot	108.237.169.225:30000 is up (0.488ms)
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17:01	Aggies	alex256 is it 0.4.5
17:01	alex256	!up 108.237.169.225
17:01	MinetestBot	108.237.169.225:30000 seems to be down
17:02	alex256	hmm not running from the terminal...wierd
17:02	alex256	no it is 0.4.6
17:02	Aggies	to the state of massechuesetts
17:02	jojoa1997|Tablet	Deivan
17:03	jojoa1997|Tablet	your mod gives me tons of errors
17:04	Calinou	Zeg9: can't log in to your server
17:04	Calinou	telek: over dialup, one player will congest upload bandwidth
17:05	Calinou	alex256: no P4 runs at 2.8ghz
17:05	Calinou	one does run at 3.8ghz though
17:05	alex256	yes it does...
17:05	Calinou	telek: is good? lol
17:05	Calinou	65FPS constant, view range 128, 256× pack, shaders, 3D clouds, fancy trees, single player with 10+ mods
17:05	Calinou	without limiting, 200-300FPS
17:06	Calinou	ShadowNinja: it works well on better cards, but you'll be CPU limited most of the time
17:06	Calinou	2600K + 570 both at stock = CPU limited, disabling HT gives more FPS... but also gives sound latency (pulseaudio)
17:07	alex256	well calinou you are wrong i looked at the properties on windows and puppy and on both os's it said 2.8 ghz
17:07	Calinou	ghz not mhz
17:07	Calinou	1000mhz = 1 ghz
17:08	Zeg9	Calinou, any debug info?
17:08	Calinou	"not allowed to log in" when using a name that isn't Calinou, else, "invalid password" even with the right password
17:08	Calinou	try /clearpassword Calinou maybe?
17:08	Zeg9	I'll try
17:09	Zeg9	done
17:09	alex256	ok..calinou it says 2790.59Mhz.....well almost 2.8 mhz lol
17:10	alex256	ghz i mean
17:11	alex256	Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz
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17:11	Deivan	jojoa1997|Tablet, you already tested the line with / adding a \ before the /?
17:12	alex256	Family,model,stepping 15,2,9 (Pentium 4)
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17:13	jojoa1997|Tablet	yes
17:13	jojoa1997|Tablet	i have been trying everything with that. deivan does your computer work in portugese
17:14	Deivan	UTF8...
17:14	Deivan	I make a version with ISO and you test it again.
17:14	Deivan	Moment.
17:15	jojoa1997|Tablet	what is iso
17:15	Deivan	Codification ISO8859-15
17:15	Deivan	From Windows..
17:16	Deivan	I have a alternative...
17:16	Deivan	I install in a Windows System and test again.
17:16	Deivan	I need some time for it.
17:16	jojoa1997|Tablet	ok
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17:19	jojoa1997|Tablet	i got stu's armor mod to work with minitest all i need to do is get the workbench working
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17:29	markveidemanis	Can someone find me a 16x16 image of mario?
17:29	PilzAdam	can someone find a link to google.com?
17:30	markveidemanis	IM LOOKING THERE!
17:31	markveidemanis	Says: 16x16 image sprite mario
17:31	markveidemanis	Also says: 256x256
17:32	jojoa1997|Tablet	pilzadam i got armor working
17:34	jojoa1997|Tablet	i just have to figure out how to put it on the player in the inven and also have to make only minecraft armors
17:35	markveidemanis	How do i make a palette in gimp
17:35	markveidemanis	easy access colors
17:35	Calinou	no idea
17:35	Calinou	https://startpage.com/do/search?query=how+to+make+a+palette+in+GIMP
17:35	markveidemanis	ty
17:36	lordcirth	jojoa1997|Tablet, you could have it equip when used, like apples
17:36	jojoa1997|Tablet	have what
17:36	lordcirth	jojoa1997|Tablet, not sure how you would dequip, but its simple
17:36	lordcirth	jojoa1997|Tablet, the armour?
17:36	jojoa1997|Tablet	what do you mean quip
17:36	jojoa1997|Tablet	as in put on player
17:36	lordcirth	yes
17:37	jojoa1997|Tablet	yes it does that
17:37	jojoa1997|Tablet	wait for update
17:37	jojoa1997|Tablet	i just have to get the workbench mod going
17:37	PilzAdam	jojoa1997|Tablet, I want that you call it "Armor" and not "Armour"
17:37	jojoa1997|Tablet	and deivan will be seeing why i am getting the error
17:37	lordcirth	jojoa1997|Tablet, oh ok. So you're trying to get it to show that it's equipped?
17:37	jojoa1997|Tablet	no
17:37	jojoa1997|Tablet	you mean let others show
17:38	jojoa1997|Tablet	and it is armor
17:38	jojoa1997|Tablet	i just spelt it wron
17:38	jojoa1997|Tablet	wrong
17:38	lordcirth	" put it on the player in the inven" means what? show in your own inventory
17:38	lordcirth	"armour" is the correct spelling
17:38	jojoa1997|Tablet	lorcirth do you play minecraft
17:39	jojoa1997|Tablet	cause that is what it looks liek
17:39	jojoa1997|Tablet	like
17:39	lordcirth	no, I don't
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17:39	PilzAdam	jojoa1997|Tablet, to show the armor on the 3D player use ^ to overlay images
17:39	jojoa1997|Tablet	PilzAdam i cant atm
17:40	jojoa1997|Tablet	i need to make the textures myself
17:40	jojoa1997|Tablet	oh wait you mean on the player entity
17:40	jojoa1997|Tablet	it show on there
17:40	jojoa1997|Tablet	just not in the inven pic
17:41	Deivan	jojoa1997|Tablet, edit the /domb/domb.lua and remove the entire content of the function function DOM_registra_comandos_de_uso_geral()
17:41	Deivan	And try again.
17:41	Deivan	Leave only the name and the end.
17:41	Deivan	Between lines 365 to 504.
17:42	jojoa1997|Tablet	i did that but will try again
17:42	jojoa1997|Tablet	well i commented out
17:42	Deivan	I need compile the game to windows before will test here...
17:42	jojoa1997|Tablet	ok now error with farming mod
17:43	Deivan	I think you have some wrong in your game...
17:43	jojoa1997|Tablet	did the sound format change by any chance
17:43	Deivan	:-/
17:43	sfan5	i need a developers opinion
17:43	jojoa1997|Tablet	ok what
17:43	jojoa1997|Tablet	;-_
17:43	jojoa1997|Tablet	;-)
17:43	sfan5	"developers"
17:44	sfan5	not you
17:44	Deivan	Wow, my server have 1/2 GigaBytes... :-o
17:44	jojoa1997|Tablet	actually i am a dev of minitest so technically i am a developer
17:44	jojoa1997|Tablet	also i put a wink as in joking
17:44	jojoa1997|Tablet	pilzadam you need to fix your farming mod
17:45	jojoa1997|Tablet	it wants a sound not there
17:45	Deivan	Farming is working here normal...
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17:45	jojoa1997|Tablet	wait i think i have outdated version
17:46	Deivan	-.-
17:46	jojoa1997|Tablet	yeah it wanted a file that was changed
17:46	Deivan	I have RL work to do.
17:46	Deivan	AFK
17:46	lordcirth	in technic, would you say uranium is around 8x more rare than coal? 16x?
17:47	Calinou	lordcirth: look at the code ;)
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17:49	* jojoa1997|Tablet	remembers the day when i didnt know how minetest.register_node works
17:49	kaeza	hi all
17:50	jojoa1997|Tablet	PilzAdam what is the diff between farming for stable and for dev
17:52	lordcirth	Calinou, why is clust_scarcity defined as 3 numbers multiplied? is to make gauging the 3d size easier ?
17:53	Guest98024	what did I miss these days?
17:53	jojoa1997|Tablet	0gb.us?
17:54	Guest98024	wat
17:54	jojoa1997|Tablet	i get it
17:54	Guest98024	writing with on-screen kb on win is a PITA
17:55	jojoa1997|Tablet	the reason none of the mods with sounds work is cause minitest is one of the last mods to load
17:57	jojoa1997|Tablet	how do i make a get modpath dofile go to the current dir
18:00	MinetestBot	GIT: Uberi commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Merge remote-tracking branch 'refs/remotes/origin/master' 01d8c26b5b 2013-04-14T10:58:31-07:00 http://git.io/Kru_OA
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18:02	alex256	i have tried everything i know to enable_pvp but it doesnt work....any suggestions
18:03	jojoa1997|Tablet	check the damage box
18:04	alex256	says 0 hp taken after being punched hit with a sword ..the only way i get damage is falling...
18:07	alex256	what .lua file is pvp controlled by....?
18:07	Guest98024	engine
18:07	Guest98024	{{cn}}
18:08	jojoa1997|Tablet	Deivan ping
18:09	jojoa1997|Tablet	do i get rid of line 6 in DOM/init.lua?
18:09	alex256	where is the lua file that controls pvp and what is it called....l
18:10	markveidemanis	Join 86.158.111.163 to see some amazing paintings and mario!
18:10	alex256	help please someone....
18:11	sfan5	Currently online: 40 guests, 11 registered users
18:11	PilzAdam	alex256, its not done in lua
18:11	sfan5	:O
18:11	alex256	where then?
18:11	PilzAdam	its in src/tool.cpp
18:11	sfan5	c++
18:12	PilzAdam	the function in line 159 calculates the damage
18:12	Guest98024	hello adam
18:12	alex256	where is it enable at besides the minetest.conf?
18:12	alex256	enabled..
18:13	PilzAdam	what?
18:13	alex256	something  overrides the minetest.conf so defaults are used...where isit and where would it be
18:14	alex256	i mean what is it and where
18:14	PilzAdam	src/defaultsettings.cpp is used when minetest.conf setting isnt present
18:14	alex256	thanks :)
18:15	Guest98024	could that be a prob with the new dmg system
18:15	Guest98024	?
18:15	alex256	where would src be in puppy linux?
18:15	alex256	cant find it...
18:16	PilzAdam	how have you installed it?
18:16	Guest98024	alex256: clone from github
18:16	lordcirth	alex256, did you install through a package manager?
18:16	PilzAdam	(minetest)
18:16	alex256	i installed a .pet
18:16	PilzAdam	then you probably didnt get the source
18:17	PilzAdam	you need to compile minetest if you change it
18:17	alex256	ok if i get the src would it go in root or filesystem?
18:17	kaeza_	no
18:17	alex256	crap
18:17	PilzAdam	and defaultsettings.cpp definetly dont override minetest.conf
18:18	alex256	well i am stuck then...i cant compile for the life of me
18:18	alex256	everytime i try ...i get errors
18:18	sfan5	tell us the errors an we can help you
18:19	alex256	fonts and enabling pvp seem to be the only issues i know at the moment
18:21	alex256	the fonts  are really small and italic and when i put enable_pvp = true in the minetest.conf nothing changes
18:22	alex256	i can change varibles in the minetest.conf but cant change them back...
18:22	alex256	pvp was working then i did enable_pvp  = false and now its stuck like that
18:23	alex256	could it be the 3D_armor mod conflicting with it?
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18:24	Shadowfire	Good afternoon people..
18:25	Shadowfire	I can not seem to find information about the difference of Sfans / Pitzadam / xyz's versions of minetest builds... can someone point me to a document or wiki that lets me know there differences?
18:26	Shadowfire	I am guessing that they add in some of the mods that make them different from stock build... but I am not sure
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18:27	kaeza_	hai Jordach
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18:27	Jordach	hey
18:27	kaeza_	how's it going?
18:27	Jordach	alright
18:29	jojoa1997|Tablet	if i do a get_modpath does that mean the mod is loaded
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18:43	telek	...
18:43	kaeza_	?
18:43	telek	What happened to all the mods formerly in minetest_game?
18:44	jojoa1997|Tablet	so...
18:44	kaeza_	common
18:45	telek	kaeza: Was that an answer?
18:45	kaeza_	yep
18:45	mauvebic	those mods were rounded up at gunpoint and sent to "happy camps" :p
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18:46	kaeza_	https://github.com/minetest/common
18:46	telek	WTF
18:46	telek	And why isn't the readme in minetest_game set to mention that?
18:47	jordan4ibanez	BECAUSE FUCK YOU
18:47	jordan4ibanez	Just kidding, that's a valid point
18:47	Hwkiller	telek: I think a lot of documentation can be improved, but 1) Anyone can do that; you can help too (I should contribute, but I don't) and 2) Development seems to be going quickly, so changing documentation might be fruitless
18:49	jordan4ibanez	hwkiller are you Likwid H-Craft?
18:49	mauvebic	cant be, hwkiller seems to be able to spell
18:49	Jordach	jordan4ibanez, his english is 2000% better
18:49	Hwkiller	What? No.
18:49	mauvebic	and hwkiller is coherent
18:49	Hwkiller	No idea who that is.
18:49	telek	I don't mind the development, it just sucks ass when there's sudden huge changes in what repos you have to pull and nothing in the changelog to flag this for you. Didn't help that I'd apparently still had celeron's .git config in my minetest_game dir from before the 'main' repo tracking changed.
18:50	jordan4ibanez	Damn, I want to cuss that guy out
18:50	telek	Plus we've been through what, 5 different 'core' moddir changes now in the past 6ish months?
18:50	sdzen	the annoying one on the forums?
18:50	Jordach	sdzen, correcto
18:51	Hwkiller	and from what I hear, there may be another big change right?
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18:51	telek	AWESOME. Now I can finally get my server running again.
18:51	Hwkiller	all mods going to one directory, then "games" just being definition files?
18:51	telek	There's worlds/<worldname>/worldmods
18:51	telek	Plus there's games/<blah>
18:51	telek	In my case since I'm 'system install'
18:51	Hwkiller	e.g., all mods in /usr/share/minetest/mods, and games are /usr/share/minetest/games/*, where * are textfiles declaring which mods that game uses?
18:52	telek	I have /usr/share/minetest/games /home/<userdir>/.minetest/games and /home/<userdir/.minetest/world/<worldname>/worldmods all as posssible searchpath settings.
18:53	Jordach	ecube, what happened to your server#
18:53	mauvebic	thats alot of possible mod paths lol\
18:53	Jordach	-#
18:53	ecube	what server
18:53	Hwkiller	Jordach: yes, it seems messy right now
18:53	telek	And yeah /usr/share/minetest/mods as well. I'd stopped using that since they really need to be updated on a case by case basis and fairly rapidly if you're following -git
18:53	jordan4ibanez	jordach should cauldrons explode if there is a walkable node above it?
18:53	Jordach	jordan4ibanez, no
18:53	Jordach	destroy the node above it
18:54	ecube	Jordach: what server?
18:54	jordan4ibanez	destroy it WITH AN EXPLOSION
18:54	Jordach	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1991
18:54	Jordach	ecube, ^
18:55	ecube	oh
18:55	ecube	ran out of resources for that one
18:56	ecube	and personal time as well
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18:56	jojoa1997|Tablet	jordan4ibanez i am adding your cake mod to minitest
18:56	mauvebic	with the upcoming mt-porn mod, players can combine personal and playing time
18:56	ecube	I look forward to it
18:57	mauvebic	:p
18:57	telek	jojoa1997|Tablet: So you can have your cake and eat it too? :D
18:57	alex256	.....i figures out why enable_pvp = true wasn't working.....conflict with the 3d_armor mod ...
18:57	jojoa1997|Tablet	jordan is that ok
18:58	telek	New use for the kinect: tracking your joystick for all your 'hardcore' gaming.
18:58	alex256	oh well no armor until someone updates it to work with 0.4.6
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18:58	telek	alex256: Changes in how damage stuff works again?
18:59	telek	Y'know it may be time to do some sort of flatfile or prebake for texture generation/loading.
18:59	alex256	armor doesn't work with the latest build. no pvp...
18:59	telek	I've been waiting the past 2-3 minutes for the textures to preload.
18:59	alex256	without armor pvp :)
19:00	mauvebic	telek compile all your mods should speedup load time
19:00	telek	mauvebic: For client-side loads?
19:00	telek	I thought all the texture stuff once loaded was handled by the server proper.
19:00	mauvebic	oh youre connecting to someone else's server? nevermind
19:00	telek	Dedicated server.
19:01	telek	Not the in-client server.
19:01	telek	And seperate computers, so yeah that isn't lagging it :)
19:01	mauvebic	naw textures will take however long it takes to load, not much to be done about that other than to downscale or trim the fart
19:01	mauvebic	*fat
19:01	* telek	nods.
19:01	alex256	what is a good skin mod i can upload to replace not haveing armor anymore lol
19:01	telek	4 fps atm
19:02	mauvebic	jesus
19:02	mauvebic	what does the server run?
19:02	telek	Y'know I think it's running in software rendering mode.
19:02	alex256	lol
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19:02	mauvebic	that wont help lol
19:02	ShadowNinja	alex256: player_textures
19:02	alex256	thanks ! armour is broken lol
19:03	alex256	adding now Shadow
19:03	telek	mauvebic: Nope doesn't appear that's what's happening.
19:03	mauvebic	so its slow for another reason
19:03	telek	I'll try moving from where I am.
19:03	telek	It could be the giant pillars of stone all around me and the 30+ different textures :)
19:04	mauvebic	the more complex nodeboxes do slow things down abit
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19:04	mauvebic	but hey no one wanted native angles and curves so lol
19:04	alex256	shadow do you have a link?
19:05	khonkhortisan	If I want to make a box, I don't want it to have inside faces
19:05	mauvebic	yeah that was a problem when i tried to make replicators (from star trek)
19:06	telek	Ideally either irrlicht needs to get an ogl 3.3/4.x renderer or we need a second client project for more advanced features (The hardware tesselation features and some of the related newer tech have provisions for generating lots of copies of complete meshes.)
19:06	mauvebic	(having different inside and top texture)
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19:07	jordan4ibanez	Nakedfury are you going to let this pile of poop do this? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=83175#p83175
19:08	telek	Given how much of what's going on in minetest is duplicates of identical objects, it should be possible to have a graphics engine that would have negligible cpu/gpu load even with a massively complicated series of blocks visible.
19:08	telek	That's odd
19:08	NakedFury	I am converting torches: http://i.imgur.com/4jwPC.png  they are a lot and its not easy to do the stupid wall torches part
19:08	telek	Was 4 fps before
19:08	telek	Now it's hanging around 30 with nothing more than a relog :D
19:08	PilzAdam	jordan4ibanez, were is the free windows version? http://youtu.be/q8BLWISYESI
19:09	jordan4ibanez	It was reactos, a free shit os
19:09	jordan4ibanez	pilzadam! https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/657
19:09	PilzAdam	need to sleep; bye
19:09	jordan4ibanez	nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
19:10	jordan4ibanez	trees should check that the group soil is below it when you place it, if not, don't place
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19:12	* Jordach	experiments with web stuff
19:13	Jordach	several 502's == 503 after enough F5
19:13	Calinou	502, the error of the minecraft forum since 2011®
19:13	* Jordach	is disliking nginx
19:13	mauvebic	thats an asp/php error isnt it?
19:13	Jordach	mauvebic, somewhat
19:14	mauvebic	yeah, i think i remember those, dont miss it though lol
19:14	Jordach	the site works, but breaks every time
19:14	Jordach	...when you damn need it
19:14	mauvebic	why would you need MC forums?
19:14	Jordach	mauvebic, i dont
19:14	Jordach	8/10 tabs is a 502 Gateway Error
19:15	mauvebic	anyone here old enough to have programmed with perl/cgi? fun days lol
19:15	Calinou	people still do that today
19:15	Calinou	cube_art is made in perl :D
19:15	mauvebic	though with cgi you could write the website backend in c/cpp, though i never tried
19:15	Calinou	and some texture pack converter (no longer needed as of minecraft 1.5)
19:16	Jordach	Calinou, yes we do
19:16	Jordach	a automated renamer
19:17	mauvebic	naw the textures are split now
19:17	Jordach	ugh. Error 503 Service Unavailable
19:18	mauvebic	all we need now is an MC mod converter, same some people the trouble lol
19:19	Calinou	MC world converter would be nice
19:19	Calinou	the anvil format is publicly documented
19:19	mauvebic	hmmmm is doing that
19:19	Calinou	:O
19:19	Jordach	Calinou, Steam now works on Nvidia driver Version current (latest updates) might run TF2
19:19	mauvebic	you didn't see?
19:19	Calinou	Jordach, always worked for me :P (313.18)
19:20	Calinou	I'm on my netbook right now
19:20	Calinou	mauvebic, no
19:20	mauvebic	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=81504#p81504
19:20	Calinou	_classic_
19:20	Calinou	talking about the full game
19:21	Calinou	we could do some progress by adding all minecraft blocks and items first with a mod, with textures :P
19:21	mauvebic	i know nothing about MC lol their maps have incompatible formats? lame
19:21	Calinou	it is a requirement, not "lame"
19:21	Jordach	Calinou, NVIDIA 304.88
19:22	Calinou	classic > chunk file (infdev?) > MCRegion (beta 1.3: 2011-02-22) > anvil (1.2: 2012-03-01)
19:22	mauvebic	i think weve converted enough MC stuff for one cycle lol
19:22	VanessaE	hi all.
19:22	Jordach	hey VanessaE
19:22	Calinou	hi
19:22	Calinou	mauvebic, maps are converted if needed
19:22	Calinou	but if you want to convert a chunk file map to anvil, you can't, you'll need to convert it to mcregion first :P
19:22	mauvebic	naw i meant concepts, appearances and functions lol
19:23	telek	We need a DF to MT converter!
19:23	VanessaE	hey
19:23	* telek	waves!
19:23	Calinou	lol, nope
19:23	Calinou	cube(2) to minetest :>
19:23	Calinou	actually, for cube/assaultcube maps it wouldn't be too hard
19:24	Calinou	but you need to understand the map format
19:24	telek	Because they're already voxel based?
19:24	mauvebic	well if the maps are binary i may be able to help
19:24	VanessaE	ok time to fix sfan5's fuckup :-)
19:24	Calinou	telek, no, heightmap based
19:24	Calinou	you can't make room-over-room, only with mapmodels that have collision
19:25	Calinou	still better than in doom :D
19:25	Calinou	mauvebic, if you wanted to do that one day, use assaultcube as a base, not cube, cube is dead
19:25	Calinou	they are binary
19:25	mauvebic	neither game is known to me :P but the math i do know at least lol
19:25	ShadowNinja	VanessaE: +bbbb <CopyPaste> repeat, much faster
19:25	mauvebic	lol who are you ip-range blocking?
19:26	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: no way, lots of redundant entries in the list.
19:26	telek	calinou: Ahh intresting
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19:26	mauvebic	ahh, markv
19:26	ShadowNinja	The banlist got cleared, VanessaE is re-banning everyone that was banned
19:27	mauvebic	who would clear the banlist? things have been so civilized around here lately
19:27	VanessaE	mauvebic: sfan5 did by accident
19:27	VanessaE	I'm restoring a subset of what was cleared off.
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19:27	Calinou	permanent bans are never a good thing
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19:27	Calinou	clearing them from time to time is fine
19:28	VanessaE	Calinou: he said it was unintentional.
19:28	Calinou	(unless the person in question is just spamming or a bot)
19:28	mauvebic	tweak the bot to do autobans: use all caps, that's a pladdlin', check your server status 3 times, that's a paddlin, etc.
19:28	Calinou	still :P
19:28	mauvebic	how do you know he/she is spamming if theyve just joined?
19:29	mauvebic	does freenode have a public blacklist?
19:29	VanessaE	ok, that should cover it.
19:29	VanessaE	there's about half a dozen additional ones I didn't restore, figured they're obsolete by not.
19:29	VanessaE	now*
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19:30	mauvebic	true but up until just lately the bot couldn't recognize mod == Mod so dont hold your beath :p
19:31	ShadowNinja	A nice feature would be a ban description, so you can go through the list and see witch ones are obsolote
19:31	ShadowNinja	An IP address isn't terribly helpfull
19:32	mauvebic	1h? so they surf porn and come back do the same antics? lol
19:32	Calinou	there's a "why" command with chanserv that allows using ban reasons, AFAIK
19:32	khonkhortisan	ERROR FROM LUA: C++ exception
19:33	Calinou	ERROR FROM C++: Lua exception
19:33	Calinou	:-)
19:33	ShadowNinja	john_minetest: my bot can do that
19:34	khonkhortisan	oh I see what I did wrong
19:42	khonkhortisan	EEW special_tiles can have {image, backface_culling, animation} or {name, backface_culling, animation}
19:42	Calinou	because minetest is boring too
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19:43	Calinou	European Evidence Warrant, khonkhortisan? :D
19:43	mauvebic	what happens to evidence collected outside of europe?
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19:44	khonkhortisan	compare default:water_flowing with default:water_source
19:46	Hwkiller	hmm... new animals mod isn't working; says I don't have "luatrace" anywhere
19:46	Hwkiller	and I don't; not sure why
19:48	Hwkiller	there are no arch packages that provide "luatrace"
19:48	Hwkiller	wtf
19:48	sdzen	hmmm
19:49	mauvebic	did you check with pacman or packer?
19:49	sdzen	the animals mod has been very, non functional as of late
19:49	Hwkiller	mauvebic: I checked with pkgfile
19:49	Calinou	simplemobs ftw!
19:49	Calinou	it even has 3D models now :3
19:50	Hwkiller	pkgfile -r -s '.*luatrace.*'
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19:50	sdzen	it have proper methods of spawning?
19:50	Calinou	yes?
19:51	sapier	mobf tries to load luatrace?
19:51	sdzen	yes
19:51	Hwkiller	es, sapier
19:51	Hwkiller	yes*
19:52	mauvebic	not finding any info on luatrace pertaining to arch
19:52	sapier	argh ... it shouldn't in released version
19:52	mauvebic	im guessing its not much in demand
19:53	sapier	luatrace is quite tricky to use ... I'll uptate version to disable again
19:53	jordan4ibanez	Say I want to remove a space, and the number from an itemstring
19:53	mauvebic	my wife wants those spinny doors you get in big office towers lol
19:53	jordan4ibanez	"test:item 42" how would I go about that?
19:53	Hwkiller	sapier: that might be why actually; I'm trying to use 2.0.81
19:53	jordan4ibanez	to just get "test:item"
19:55	mauvebic	zimg down for anyone else?
19:55	sapier	if you have git try 2.0.82 if not wait 5 min till I update download link
19:56	Hwkiller	sapier: also, is the whole "can't harm mobs" issue officially fixd yet?
19:56	Hwkiller	I was using a workaround posted in the thread for a while
19:56	sapier	yes
19:56	Hwkiller	awesome
19:57	sapier	currently there are no known bugs but it's still a prerelease I'm going to release next stable version end of april
19:57	sapier	current stable version is 2.0 ;-) which is quite stable but a little bit outdated
19:59	Hwkiller	not sure which I was using
20:01	sapier	2.0 won't work very well with current minetest so most likely you had a development version
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20:03	Hwkiller	actually, 2.0.5
20:03	Hwkiller	lol
20:03	Hwkiller	eek
20:03	sfan5	jordan4ibanez: string.gsub may help you
20:04	sapier	ok :-) 2.0.5 is stable but as you have recognized doesn't work fully with current minetest
20:04	mauvebic	how to convert nodeboxes to a micronode sytem with coordinates
20:04	Hwkiller	sapier: so your mobf2.1.dev branch is up to date though?
20:05	sapier	yes it's current development branch
20:05	Hwkiller	thanks
20:05	jordan4ibanez	Thank you sfan5, I'm needing this so I can organize good "ingridients" from bad ones, and make the cauldron give out good/bad potions based on the inputted ingridients
20:05	sapier	and download link in main post is updated to 2.0.82 now too
20:05	Hwkiller	installing now.
20:07	Jordach	ooh tf2 finished downloading
20:07	sapier	did anyone try mobf archers and guards?
20:09	Hwkiller	I can test it for you now if you' dlike
20:09	Hwkiller	I'm joining my server
20:10	Hwkiller	My server is basically a rolling release server :p. on the bleeding edge of any mods and minetest -git builds
20:10	sapier	thx ... the more ppl test it the less problems will be in there
20:10	Hwkiller	can I just spawn an npc?
20:10	sapier	no if you spawn it directly it'll attack you give yourself a item and plaxe it
20:13	sapier	you may buy them at trader too ... but you'll have to find a trader house first ;-)
20:13	Hwkiller	hm... do mobs spawn in already-generated areas?
20:13	sapier	partly
20:13	Hwkiller	or would I have to venture way way out to ungen'd area to find a trader :p
20:14	sapier	trader won't spawn in generated area
20:14	Hwkiller	plaxe it?
20:14	sapier	you can spawn a mob by "spawnmob" or by item
20:15	sapier	you can spawn a trader by spawnmob too .. but it won't have a house then ;-)
20:18	Hwkiller	the archer works great; still can't hurt it though
20:18	Hwkiller	nvm... apparently my golden sword does no damage
20:18	Hwkiller	my diamond pickaxe works fine
20:19	sapier	hmm maybe groups still aren't correct
20:19	sapier	plz write an issue mobf is too big for me to test everything prior releasing
20:20	Hwkiller	is there a way to test whether it's mobf's fault or if it's moreore's fault?
20:20	sapier	try tools from default if they do work it's most likely a moreores bug
20:21	Hwkiller	looks like it's a moreores bug
20:21	Hwkiller	damn
20:21	Hwkiller	golden swords look badass, but they are worthless
20:22	sapier	most likely groups ar set wrong for them
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20:24	Calinou	thexyz, idea, why not create a "Skins" forum where people can post player skins?
20:24	Calinou	(and link to some mods that let people choose their skin too)
20:27	Hwkiller	hm, I need to look at what all you can make in the default game :p
20:27	jordan4ibanez	When I do this string.gsub(input_string2, ("%d+"), ("")) it gives out /000 at the end of the string >.<
20:27	Hwkiller	steel, diamond, mese swords? what else?
20:27	Hwkiller	also, I wonder if I can change the groups myself in the moreores mod
20:27	sapier	I assume you can :-)
20:28	mauvebic	bizarre, my wife was teleported away randomly, when she came back, the server crashed (debug no help)
20:28	Calinou	Hwkiller, there are six tool sets in the default game, from worst to best: wood, stone, steel, bronze, diamond, mese (the last two are the same in terms and speed and durability)
20:29	Calinou	fun fact: a mese axe also mines dirt very well, mese shovels mine wood very well too
20:29	Calinou	:<
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20:29	mauvebic	i find shovels and axes to be a bit superfluous when the pick does the job all the same
20:29	sapier	yea and even hand mines dirt almost as good as wood shovel
20:30	Calinou	>wood tools
20:30	Calinou	>useufl
20:30	Calinou	>useful*
20:30	sapier	I assume groups require some balancing
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20:30	sapier	the only wood tool usfull is wood pickeaxe to get enough cobble to build a cobble pickeaxe
20:30	MinetestBot	GIT: celeron55 commited to minetest/minetest_game: README.txt: Note requirement of common mods 76398aac4a 2013-04-14T13:28:40-07:00 http://git.io/J4mjuA
20:32	Hwkiller	Calinou: bronze is in the default game?
20:32	Hwkiller	how
20:32	Calinou	yep
20:32	Calinou	since feb 2013 or so
20:32	Calinou	Hwkiller, look at creative inventory
20:32	Hwkiller	I've seen bronze via moreores (copper + tin), but I haven't seen bronze otherwise
20:33	Calinou	bronze is no longer in more ores
20:33	* Calinou	needs to fix more ore one day
20:33	Calinou	only two ores will be exclusive to moreores: mithril and silver... would give little use to moreores alone
20:34	Hwkiller	hm... maybe my moreores is out of date then
20:34	Hwkiller	I still find copper/tin from moreores
20:34	mauvebic	add, well, more ores :p
20:34	mauvebic	theres no shortage of rare earths
20:34	Calinou	I could just drop moreores, a lot of other mods add ores
20:34	mauvebic	exactly, one mod for every 1-2 ores added
20:35	khonkhortisan	eew again. minetest.register_ore adds tile_images, not tiles
20:35	Calinou	copper-iron-mese-coal-diamond, 5 ores ought to be enough for everybody
20:35	VanessaE	nnooooooooo
20:35	mauvebic	a good ore mod would add at least a dozen or more realistic ores
20:35	Hwkiller	Calinou: so how does one find bronze in the default game, smelting copper?
20:35	Calinou	yep
20:35	Calinou	realism at its finest
20:35	Calinou	VanessaE, or merge in moreblocks if there's only two ores to add ;)
20:36	VanessaE	Calinou: naw, feature creep.
20:36	Hwkiller	so I could likely just rm moreores, except that any copper from that mod will be "Unknown" now eh?
20:36	VanessaE	keep them separate I think.
20:36	mauvebic	well it would be easier to have lots of ore than to remember the placement of a limited few to get different crafts outputs
20:36	Calinou	Hwkiller, yes
20:36	VanessaE	or, have RealBadAngel merge the remains of Moreores into Technic mod.
20:36	Calinou	there's a mod by pilzadam that allows replacing unknown nodes
20:36	Calinou	would work too
20:36	Calinou	(but remove tin, as it is now useless)
20:36	Calinou	since you just smelt copper to bronze
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20:37	Hwkiller	Calinou: what's the recipe for bronze then?
20:37	Calinou	smelt copper lumps?
20:37	Calinou	in default, not moreores
20:37	Hwkiller	I just get copper ingots
20:38	VanessaE	naw, keep tin
20:38	VanessaE	I use it in homedecor.
20:38	Calinou	ah, right
20:38	khonkhortisan	Does lua have pointers so I can do function(variable) instead of variable = function(variable)?
20:38	Calinou	steel ingot + copper ingot makes bronze
20:38	Hwkiller	ah
20:38	Calinou	in any pattern
20:38	VanessaE	Calinou: which is stupid.
20:38	sapier	no lua doesn't have pointers
20:38	Calinou	this isn't real life :D
20:38	VanessaE	it should have remained as tin+copper.  steel+copper is just nonsense.
20:39	Calinou	tell pilzadam to add tin then :P
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20:39	Calinou	hi Octupus
20:39	Octupus	Hero
20:39	khonkhortisan	Your response shows the nonsense, even to someone that doesn't know how to make bronze in real life
20:39	sapier	but why do you think you can't do a "do function(variable)"
20:40	Calinou	:o TIL one can craft furnaces with smooth stone
20:40	khonkhortisan	I want to shorten lines like this: "thing.special_tiles[stile].image = prepareimage(thing.special_tiles[stile].image)"
20:40	sapier	great ... minetest just froze my mouse again
20:41	Calinou	wireless ftw
20:41	Jordach	Calinou, group:stone ftw
20:41	Calinou	yeah
20:41	Calinou	so mossy cobble could be used too, I guess
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20:45	VanessaE	there should be a separate group for cobble-like materials if there isn't already.
20:45	Calinou	yeah, cobble group
20:45	VanessaE	cobble, mossy cobble, desert cobble if using the mod that provides that.
20:46	Calinou	and brick group maybe (brick/stone brick)
20:46	VanessaE	yeah.
20:46	mauvebic	ugh, liberals set to elect Justin (Ken Doll) Trudeau as party leader
20:47	VanessaE	I could see that being useful MAYBE.
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20:47	thexyz	khonkhortisan: tables
20:47	thexyz	khonkhortisan: tables are always passed by reference
20:48	khonkhortisan	So I need a table that has a reference to an element in another table
20:48	ssieb	VanessaE: Pnuematic tubes won't connect to a chest.  And I just pulled the latest from git to make sure.  Any idea what might be wrong?
20:49	thexyz	khonkhortisan: no, you can just prepareimage(thing.special_tiles[stile]), function prepareimage(t) t.image = …
20:51	VanessaE	they work fine here.  do you have some other mod installed that is redefining the chests?
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20:52	thefamilygrog66	howdy
20:52	VanessaE	hey tfg
20:52	Jordach	thefamilygrog66, youre lrfurn mod is awesome
20:53	VanessaE	ssieb: and are you sure you're using the regular default chest and not some other kind that looks similar?  (on my server there are like 10 different kinds of chests, not all of which will connect to a tube)
20:53	thefamilygrog66	hey thanks Jordach - glad you like it
20:53	ssieb	VanessaE: as far as I know it's the default one
20:54	VanessaE	ssieb: you probably should check again, see if anything is redefining them.
20:54	ssieb	I'll check the other mods to see if there's anything
20:54	thefamilygrog66	I have a licensing question...
20:54	VanessaE	thefamilygrog66: yes?
20:54	thefamilygrog66	I'll quote what I already wrote, cause I don't feel like typing it again, haha - one sec
20:55	thefamilygrog66	As an aside, I'm not sure what to do at this point regarding license, since I basically started with an animated gif of a real lava lamp that someone had put online, removed most of the frames, cropped it, reduced the size and resolution, and then added each frame to the .png file (along with my base and top, which is just plain black).  Does anyone know whether I'd still need permission from the person who uploaded the ori
20:55	INeedANewNick	Yes, AFAIK.
20:55	thefamilygrog66	since I've changed it so much?
20:55	VanessaE	you would still need permission, unless the license of the animation is already open
20:56	thefamilygrog66	I was kind of afraid of that
20:56	[0gb_us]	The client can specify graphics in the form of a graphics pack. Can the client specify sounds too?
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20:57	Jordach	INeedANewNick, how about beerinator for a nick?
20:57	[0gb_us]	...
20:58	INeedANewNick	I'd prefer not to allude to anything with alcohol.
20:59	Jordach	Calinou, why does moreblocks make wood blocks rotate?
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21:00	thefamilygrog66	this is a guess 0gb, but since there is a textures folder but not a sounds folder, I'd guess not
21:00	VanessaE	Jordach: that was sorta my idea.
21:00	VanessaE	to allow one to align the wood grain in a desired way
21:00	Jordach	VanessaE, so when did you become Calinou?
21:00	[0gb_us]	I figured as much. Both on the sounds and on the rotating wood.
21:01	[0gb_us]	She's alwayse been Calinou.
21:01	[0gb_us]	*always
21:01	VanessaE	hah
21:01	[0gb_us]	She just posted in the wrong client window, and exposed her secret. Oops!
21:02	ssieb	VanessaE: ok, so the tubes don't connect to locked chest, only normal ones?
21:02	VanessaE	ssieb: I believe so, yes.
21:02	ssieb	ah :-(
21:02	VanessaE	because then just anyone could dump stuff into your locked chest, or potentially take it out
21:03	ssieb	true, it would be handy to have identification on more items...
21:04	ssieb	the locked chest has the same texture with the openings on the side though :-)
21:04	VanessaE	ah heh
21:04	VanessaE	well that's a minor bug in pipeworks then :)
21:04	VanessaE	I'll see later if I can fix that issue
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21:04	jojoa1997|Tablet	I am almost done with minitest 1.2
21:05	VanessaE	home decor updates today:  http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=84109#p84109
21:06	jojoa1997|Tablet	how would i check for the creative setting
21:06	thefamilygrog66	yay, smart glowlights!
21:06	[0gb_us]	Does plant_lib or poison_ivy depend on default?
21:07	VanessaE	plants_lib does I think.
21:07	[0gb_us]	Hmm. Too bad then. I was going to use it in a non-default world.
21:08	jojoa1997|Tablet	how would i check for the creative setting
21:08	thefamilygrog66	I found the original animated gif again - it's on a site called "Gifninja", which is really sparse and doesn't seem to have any kind of licensing info on it...
21:08	thefamilygrog66	http://gifninja.com/animated-gifs/333797/lava-lamp
21:09	[0gb_us]	No licence means the user gets no rights.
21:09	Calinou	Jordach, wood rotates because you can change the direction of the stripes
21:09	thefamilygrog66	"the user" as in the person who uploaded it to the site?
21:09	[0gb_us]	No, the person downloading it.
21:09	thefamilygrog66	d'oh
21:10	thefamilygrog66	I guess I'm gonna have to fire up one of my old lava lamps and film it then...
21:10	[0gb_us]	Sorry.
21:11	jojoa1997|Tablet	can an if statement be local
21:12	[0gb_us]	No, that wouldn't make sense.
21:12	ssieb	VanessaE: It's not really a bug in pipeworks and I wonder how you could fix it.  The problem is that both chests use the same texture...  Is there some way to redefine the node?
21:12	VanessaE	Calinou: it might be prudent to always place the wood (slabs too) at a specific facedir and let the user rotate them with the screwdriver.
21:12	ssieb	maybe filters could have ownership so only the owner could specify what can go in or out of the chest?
21:12	VanessaE	ssieb: yes, there is.  In fact I thought I was already doing that, but I suppose not.  Maybe someone can submit a separate set of textures to minetest_common for locked chest sides/top/bottom
21:13	VanessaE	that's a possibility
21:14	[0gb_us]	Or, pipeworks can reregister the unlocked chest, and use the texture with a different name.
21:14	Hwkiller	-200 now. :)
21:14	thefamilygrog66	hey, on a related licensing note: what about the usage of nyancat in minetest?
21:14	Hwkiller	found another lava-fall
21:14	khonkhortisan	If print() adds newlines, and io.write() io.flush() doesn't, and io.output() resets the output, how do I not forget where the terminal is to write to it?
21:14	jojoa1997|Tablet	how can i figure out where a missing texture is coming from
21:14	VanessaE	I thought about that, [0gb_us] but I am not sure if that's such a good idea.
21:14	khonkhortisan	file search the texture?
21:14	VanessaE	better to have the locked chest use a different set of textures - maybe the locked chest could be drawn with metal bands around it?
21:15	jojoa1997|Tablet	it is a missing texture
21:15	khonkhortisan	if it's written in one string you can find it
21:15	[0gb_us]	It's a better idea than putting more images in common for things that are SUPPOSED to look the same under normal conditions.
21:15	VanessaE	in fact, maybe someone can do that.  I'm not inclined to bother because my pull request will just be ignored anyway.
21:16	[0gb_us]	Well, I pretty much gave up, so I don't really care any more, but it seems like by default, only the lock needs to look different on the default locked chest.
21:16	[0gb_us]	Yeah, as are mine.
21:16	khonkhortisan	haha terminal = io.output() ... write files ... io.output(terminal)
21:16	ssieb	yes, but bands or something would actually be nicer
21:16	VanessaE	ssieb: yes.
21:17	VanessaE	a locked chest should be wrapped in thin steel bands - after all you need a steel ingot to make one anyway, and a whole ingot seems like almost too much metal just for a lock and shackle.
21:17	[0gb_us]	It seems like a hacky way to get out of reregestering the unlocked chest, if you ask me.
21:18	VanessaE	[0gb_us]: if I re-define the chest, I could potentially cause a problem later e.g if the default chest code needs some radical change.
21:19	[0gb_us]	Don't alter the whole chest. Copy the chest from the registered items array, retexture it, and reregister it.
21:19	VanessaE	redefining it is more hacky than simply giving it its own textures
21:19	[0gb_us]	Not if you do it right.
21:19	[0gb_us]	See the above post. Non-hacky, and forwards compatible.
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21:21	otak	Hi, where can I put a mod to be only used by one world?
21:21	Calinou	worlds/world_name/worldmods
21:21	[0gb_us]	worlds/<world name>/worldmods/<plugin>
21:21	otak	thankyou very much
21:21	Calinou	e.g. ~/.minetest/worlds/my_world/worldmods/moreblocks/init.lua
21:21	thefamilygrog66	is the image of nyan cat wtfpl?
21:22	Calinou	we remade it
21:22	VanessaE	thefamilygrog66: cc-by-sa 3.0
21:22	VanessaE	(the one that's used in the game these days)
21:22	thefamilygrog66	ah, ok
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21:24	jordan4ibanez	now you can define items to be used in the cauldron, good or bad
21:24	[0gb_us]	Didn't you draw it, VanessaE?
21:24	[0gb_us]	Never mind, I'll look at the README later. I've got to go.
21:25	VanessaE	[0gb_us]: yes.
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21:32	khonkhortisan	I think my inventory texture corruption was caused by irrlicht 1.8
21:39	mauvebic	i think i have a basic design for a multi-part/node coal-fired steam engine.... not that the ship will actually move though :S
21:40	lordcirth	khonkhortisan, I had inv texture corruption, it went away when I disabled preloading
21:42	khonkhortisan	Mine didn't go away until I went back to irrlicht 1.7.3
21:48	khonkhortisan	for _,modname in ipairs(minetest.get_modnames()) do io.write('depends.txt',modname..'\n') end
21:48	jojoa1997|Tablet	i have a question
21:49	jojoa1997|Tablet	how do i get an image to overlay a list
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21:49	jojoa1997|Tablet	with formspecs
21:51	Octupus	Guys what's the latest GIT for mt
21:51	khonkhortisan	1f42479e0cad7d93ed9ef1a6f68a995c80e0b178
21:51	Octupus	That's loooong
21:52	khonkhortisan	why do you ask?
21:52	Octupus	In coming back to my
21:52	Octupus	My
21:52	Octupus	Mt
21:52	VanessaE	just look at the Minetest git repository, it shows the current commit id
21:53	khonkhortisan	it's minetest/minetest now
21:55	Octupus	What's the URL
21:55	Octupus	Because everything is changed
21:55	khonkhortisan	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/
21:55	khonkhortisan	and minetest_game is different too
21:55	jojoa1997|Tablet	how do i get an image to overlay a list in the formspec
21:55	Octupus	Pop
21:55	Octupus	oooo
21:56	Octupus	Now I really want the link
21:56	khonkhortisan	I stole the games from the official build instead of actually finding them
21:57	Octupus	Lol
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21:57	Octupus	VanessaE: Can I get a download link
21:57	VanessaE	https://github.com/minetest
21:57	Octupus	Thank you
21:58	VanessaE	go there, find each of the five repositories:  minetest, minetest_game, common, build, survival
21:58	VanessaE	click each one.  There is a "Zip" button on each one.
21:58	VanessaE	those zip buttons will fetch the current sources for each
21:58	VanessaE	compile the server/client ("minetest"), put everything else into (minetestfolder)/games
21:58	Octupus	Isn't there an official download link anymore
21:58	khonkhortisan	http://minetest.net/download.php
21:59	VanessaE	sure on minetest.net there are binaries.
21:59	VanessaE	but they're always outdated.
21:59	VanessaE	I never recommend the official builds - get one of Pilzadam's, thexyz's, sfan5's or my builds.
21:59	Octupus	What is the most common of the 5
22:00	jojoa1997|Tablet	how do i get an image to overlay a list in the formspec
22:00	jordan4ibanez	is there a way to work with node metadata, only with numbers, like set_bool?
22:00	jojoa1997|Tablet	can someone answer
22:01	khonkhortisan	Just use common and minetest_game for the older feel
22:01	Octupus	Who has the most updated Build?
22:02	Octupus	Van,sfan or Adam
22:02	VanessaE	Octupus: you need minetest and common, at the very least.  you need minetest_game OR build OR survival depending on your favorite mode
22:02	Octupus	Ok
22:02	khonkhortisan	jojoa1997|Tablet, have you tried defining them in the opposite order?
22:02	VanessaE	not sure who's build is most up-to-date though
22:02	VanessaE	whose*
22:02	jojoa1997|Tablet	nope
22:03	Octupus	Ohh
22:03	Octupus	I just wanna start playin on a server again preferably a survival only
22:03	jojoa1997|Tablet	still doesnt work
22:04	VanessaE	Octupus: then all you need is 'minetest'.
22:04	VanessaE	the main repository is enough to get you onto a server.
22:04	VanessaE	the other repositories are for the game content, which only applies in singleplayer mode.
22:04	Octupus	Who server can I join then :)
22:04	VanessaE	mine :)
22:04	VanessaE	vanessae.mine.bz
22:04	Octupus	:)
22:04	VanessaE	:30000
22:05	VanessaE	use your old in-game name there, it should still be valid
22:05	Octupus	Ummmm I'm in minetest but I can't find the exe
22:05	VanessaE	build it
22:05	VanessaE	or get pilzadam's build
22:05	jojoa1997|Tablet	anyone else got ideas
22:05	Octupus	?
22:06	khonkhortisan	bin/minetest.exe?
22:06	VanessaE	Octupus:  http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4547
22:06	jordan4ibanez	when a node is removed, does it's metadata get removed too?
22:06	VanessaE	Octupus: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1523
22:07	VanessaE	Octupus: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4240
22:07	VanessaE	Octupus: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5515  <-- Linux only.
22:07	VanessaE	try one of those four builds.
22:07	VanessaE	one of them will surely work for you.
22:07	jojoa1997|Tablet	no one
22:08	Octupus	I'm try Adams one
22:08	VanessaE	jordan4ibanez: no idea.
22:08	Octupus	Because it was the first 1 lol
22:08	khonkhortisan	Metadata is node-based, not position-based
22:08	jojoa1997|Tablet	wait
22:08	jordan4ibanez	WAT
22:08	jojoa1997|Tablet	how do i get an image to overlay a list in the formspec
22:09	jojoa1997|Tablet	sorry wrong paste
22:09	khonkhortisan	it's supposedly stored in the node
22:09	jordan4ibanez	Now I have to figure out how to transfer metadata from node to node OH GOD
22:09	jojoa1997|Tablet	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5605
22:09	sapier	are you sure metatable is nodebased?
22:09	khonkhortisan	not metatable, that's a lua thing
22:10	sapier	I meant metadata ... sorry ... I thought metadata are linked to a specific position
22:10	Octupus	Fur I crashed
22:11	VanessaE	so try another build :)
22:11	jordan4ibanez	It's stored in the node
22:11	Octupus	Um. I forgot my mt passwords
22:11	jordan4ibanez	when the node is removed, it doesn't get transfered
22:11	jordan4ibanez	INTERESTING
22:11	sapier	you may access them through the node at that position but a node itself doesn't have any data as fare as I know
22:12	khonkhortisan	just pretend get_meta(pos) is doing something like get_node(pos).meta (even though it isn't)
22:12	VanessaE	Octupus: you'll have to email the various server admins and ask for a password reset.
22:12	khonkhortisan	it wouldn't make sense to transfer metadata to air
22:12	Octupus	I just forgot my didn't have password b4 I left lol
22:13	VanessaE	just try signing in with a good nickname and make up a password then.
22:13	sapier	get_node just gives you what type of node at a specific position is not a reference to the node itself
22:13	Octupus	Everyone I'm changing my ingame name now
22:15	Octupus	CaptPrice
22:15	VanessaE	CaptPrice?  well okay
22:15	VanessaE	why not just use your old name?
22:15	VanessaE	and if your password doesn't work email the server admin via the forums
22:15	Octupus	Let me try
22:16	lordcirth	RealBadAngel, mining drill crashed on me: LuaError: error: .../minetest_game/mods/technic/technic/mining_drill.lua:323: attempt to index global 'meta' (a userdata value)
22:18	Octupus	Forgot my password dammit
22:18	Octupus	Got it YAY
22:19	Octupus	Passwords can't handle me :)
22:20	Octupus	VanessaE: What's up with the one warnings
22:20	VanessaE	warnings?
22:21	Octupus	Yea PNG
22:21	mauvebic	got more done on the Queen Mary than the titanic lol http://ompldr.org/vaTNqeg/screenshot_178158428.png
22:21	VanessaE	no clue
22:21	jojoa1997|Tablet	MiniTest 1.2 update excuse the big link but that is direct download
22:21	jojoa1997|Tablet	https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/hajo1xxpukccv0e/MiniTest_dev_1_2.zip?token_hash=AAHDaaPNh-DwbHvR0r26t_KlopOf5Nl0T-eW2-aZd4Zi5A&amp;dl=1
22:22	VanessaE	Octupus: you using the default textures?
22:22	Octupus	Yes
22:22	VanessaE	is it that warning about interlaced?
22:22	Octupus	Yes
22:22	VanessaE	ignore that.  it's harmless.
22:22	Octupus	Ok but it's taking long for waiting content
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22:23	VanessaE	it takes a while, yeah
22:24	Octupus	At the beginning or every time?
22:24	VanessaE	turn off preloading item visuals
22:24	VanessaE	(Settings menu)
22:24	Octupus	To late I'm already connectin
22:24	jojoa1997|Tablet	will anyone test this for me
22:25	VanessaE	Octupus: initial media load takes up to about 10 minutes because the engine's network stack sucks ass.  An additional 1-2 minutes for the preload visuals code to run.
22:25	VanessaE	so give it a while.
22:25	Octupus	O
22:26	Octupus	That sucks ass the
22:26	Octupus	*then
22:28	mauvebic	more and more when i look for historical pictures of old buildings what i get instead is pictures of bloody hipsters standing in front of them as they look today :(
22:30	VanessaE	bbl, gott arun
22:32	jojoa1997|Tablet	can someone make a mod where when you press a button you only throw one iem and not the stack
22:33	khonkhortisan	Can lua catch buttons?
22:33	jojoa1997|Tablet	tyes
22:33	jojoa1997|Tablet	the boat mod does this
22:34	jojoa1997|Tablet	and the ufo mod
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22:42	Hwkiller	I don't use too many mods; I should find more. This is what I use now: http://pastie.org/private/s5waaupzgxx1ovh3ez07tq
22:42	Hwkiller	except farmingp is disabled; it's not working for me
22:42	jojoa1997|Tablet	try using a gamemode
22:43	Hwkiller	I use survival
22:43	jojoa1997|Tablet	i mean game
22:43	Hwkiller	oh, you mean like a game mode mod, e.g., civilizatoin?
22:43	Hwkiller	er... civilization*
22:43	jojoa1997|Tablet	there is dwarves, realtest, minitest, skyblock
22:43	Hwkiller	realtest is crazy.
22:44	Hwkiller	never heard of the others though
22:44	jojoa1997|Tablet	dwarvs is by mito and is really unique
22:44	jojoa1997|Tablet	minitest is currently developed by me and it is like minecraft
22:44	jojoa1997|Tablet	skyblock is more like a map
22:45	jojoa1997|Tablet	it is extreme survival and has objectives
22:45	Hwkiller	oh, you're pilzadam?
22:45	jojoa1997|Tablet	no
22:45	jojoa1997|Tablet	i am jojoa1997
22:46	jojoa1997|Tablet	but i am developing minitest
22:50	Hwkiller	I kinda thought minetest was supposed to be like minecraft
22:50	Hwkiller	so what does minitest offer that's unique?
22:50	jojoa1997|Tablet	yes it is like minecraft
22:50	jojoa1997|Tablet	try it out
22:51	Hwkiller	hm, if I do, I'll also make a systemd unit for it, so that I can say "minetestJB1.service" and start world jb1; and minetestminitest.service
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23:03	octobot	Hwkiller: like this? http://sprunge.us/DSgS
23:10	jordan4ibanez	damn I guess there's no way to do this
23:10	jordan4ibanez	I want to have a node keep metadata at a position >.<
23:12	lordcirth	jordan4ibanez, you want the metadata to stay at a position regardless of the node that is there?
23:12	jordan4ibanez	Yes
23:12	lordcirth	jordan4ibanez, what for?
23:13	jordan4ibanez	so that a player can't put dig a cauldron to reset it's goodness value, but I think it's a lost cause unless I set the goodness value of EVERY node in the area
23:13	lordcirth	jordan4ibanez, cauldron? goodness? what mod is this?
23:14	jordan4ibanez	I am making a cauldron for the potions mod
23:14	VanessaE	back.
23:14	lordcirth	jordan4ibanez, can you attach the data to the item? like technic's batteries?
23:15	jordan4ibanez	That's a GREAT idea!
23:15	jordan4ibanez	And a much better solution! Stackmax = 1 and the stack of the cauldron has the goodness so you can't cheat no matter where you are! thank you
23:16	lordcirth	jordan4ibanez, np :)
23:18	lordcirth	jordan4ibanez, can you make something both a node and a tool?
23:19	jordan4ibanez	I don't think so
23:19	INeedANewNick	lordcirth: You could make it intercept on_rightclick and put down a different node.
23:19	INeedANewNick	And when the nodeis dug, intercept that to get a tool.
23:19	lordcirth	INeedANewNick, ah! good idea!
23:19	INeedANewNick	Thanks. Can you suggest a nick for me, though?
23:20	lordcirth	INeedANewNick, well, you said you wanted a nick that suited you, and I don't know u :)
23:20	INeedANewNick	Oh, OK. Sorry.
23:20	lordcirth	INeedANewNick, although, your current nick is funny and memorable. why not keep it? lol
23:21	INeedANewNick	It is a message that I NEED a new nick.
23:21	INeedANewNick	Maybe ThisIsANick?
23:23	lordcirth	INeedANewNick, not bad
23:23	INeedANewNick	Hmmm.
23:23	INeedANewNick	Oh, good, didn;t accidentally ping him.
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23:59	sokomine	what was your old nick then, ineedanewnick?

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