| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:00 |
sokomine |
nicks are expensive! |
| 00:00 |
INeedANewNick |
I was rarkenin. |
| 00:00 |
INeedANewNick |
I am no longer rarkenin, however. |
| 00:00 |
* sokomine |
borrows ineedanewnick a slightly-used but still good e |
| 00:00 |
sokomine |
why not? don't you like the name anymore? |
| 00:01 |
INeedANewNick |
It's not my real name, and my true name is now known by a user here. |
| 00:01 |
INeedANewNick |
Wait, they're not in THIS room. |
| 00:02 |
VanessaE |
I just use my first name. No point going through a bunch of trouble to pick a fancy handle. |
| 00:02 |
khonkhortisan |
FirstL |
| 00:02 |
VanessaE |
*nod* |
| 00:02 |
Octupus |
VanessaE: I built a nice house you should go see and web |
| 00:02 |
Octupus |
*wb |
| 00:02 |
* VanessaE |
goes to look |
| 00:02 |
sokomine |
oh! a nice house? where? |
| 00:03 |
* sokomine |
wants to do sightseeing as well |
| 00:03 |
VanessaE |
where is it? |
| 00:03 |
jordan4ibanez |
How would I affect the stack using on_dig = func(pos, node, digger)? |
| 00:03 |
jordan4ibanez |
say I want to give the dug stack metadata |
| 00:03 |
VanessaE |
jordan4ibanez: use the various itemstack functions such as take_item() |
| 00:04 |
Octupus |
VanessaE: On the south road I think |
| 00:04 |
Octupus |
Its made with iron bricks and cobble |
| 00:04 |
Octupus |
With some fences and some flowers |
| 00:05 |
Octupus |
South bridge I think |
| 00:05 |
VanessaE |
if it's on the south road, it's a way's out here :-) |
| 00:05 |
Octupus |
It's somewhere aroun there not to far from space but past kirakz land |
| 00:06 |
Octupus |
*spawn |
| 00:06 |
VanessaE |
qah, that's over on the West end I think |
| 00:06 |
jordan4ibanez |
vanessae but how do I set metadata to the dug itemstack if there is no callback for it? |
| 00:06 |
VanessaE |
ah HAH |
| 00:07 |
VanessaE |
found it |
| 00:07 |
sokomine |
jordan4ibanez: good idea. i could use that as well - for a marker. so that one point of an area can be marked with a chest, and another one with such a marker (that remembers where the chest is). i think that might be easier for players to set up than entering /protect x1,y1,z1 x2,y2,z2 |
| 00:09 |
VanessaE |
Octupus: cute :-) |
| 00:09 |
VanessaE |
fixed your floor for you (patterns were off a bit) |
| 00:10 |
Octupus |
What do you see in there? |
| 00:10 |
Octupus |
I memorized my house so ? |
| 00:11 |
Octupus |
Or just screenshot it and make me see :) |
| 00:11 |
sokomine |
are you still at the house? |
| 00:11 |
VanessaE |
yes |
| 00:12 |
VanessaE |
Octupus: some of the floor tiles were off by a quarter turn. nothing major. |
| 00:12 |
Octupus |
What block were the floor hmmm? |
| 00:12 |
VanessaE |
iron checker |
| 00:12 |
Octupus |
What are the walls? |
| 00:13 |
VanessaE |
ironstone brick and cobble. |
| 00:13 |
Octupus |
What's my door then? |
| 00:13 |
VanessaE |
oak-color wood/glass lattice. |
| 00:14 |
Octupus |
Hmmmmmmmmm 3/3 your at my house :) |
| 00:14 |
VanessaE |
well not to mention the locked sign that identifies it as yours ;) |
| 00:14 |
Octupus |
Ohh yea forgot about dat :) |
| 00:15 |
VanessaE |
needs a sidewalk too |
| 00:15 |
Octupus |
Like ma flowers at the side of ma house :) |
| 00:15 |
VanessaE |
heh, saw that |
| 00:17 |
Octupus |
Gonna make it prettier though |
| 00:17 |
sokomine |
fine :-) |
| 00:19 |
Octupus |
:) |
| 00:19 |
Octupus |
Den ima make a little farm at the back ;) |
| 00:19 |
* VanessaE |
looks at a minetest-related google-plus request..who is this? :() |
| 00:19 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 00:20 |
sokomine |
farms are good |
| 00:22 |
Octupus |
Lol |
| 00:23 |
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| 00:24 |
jordan4ibanez |
how do I set metadata for an entity or item? >.< |
| 00:25 |
sokomine |
i know how it's done for a tool. have a look at my replacer mod |
| 00:27 |
jordan4ibanez |
wow that's very strange |
| 00:27 |
jordan4ibanez |
you basically hacked in the metadata lol |
| 00:28 |
sokomine |
oh, i got that idea from elsewhere :-) |
| 00:29 |
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| 00:29 |
sokomine |
it was the usage the screwdriver stores (that has a limited durability) iirc |
| 00:35 |
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| 00:38 |
jordan4ibanez |
local item = inv:add_item("main", "cauldron:cauldron") |
| 00:38 |
jordan4ibanez |
local itemmeta = item:get_metadata() |
| 00:38 |
jordan4ibanez |
itemmeta:set_string("test", "fgyeytdstgfgfgfg") |
| 00:38 |
jordan4ibanez |
why doesn't this work?? |
| 00:38 |
VanessaE |
sokomine: "do you have normal slabs (for the wall) available?" <-- what did you mean? |
| 00:40 |
VanessaE |
sokomine: screenshot, as requested: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2004142013%20-%2008:39:45%20PM.png |
| 00:40 |
ShadowNinja |
jordan4ibanez: item metadata is just a string, set it like itemstack.metadata = "data" |
| 00:40 |
VanessaE |
I see what you meant now, so no. the saw isn't producing normal 'wall' slabs. |
| 00:55 |
jordan4ibanez |
So I'm doing local item = inv:add_item("main", "cauldron:cauldron") How would I add metadata or a meta integer to it? |
| 00:55 |
ShadowNinja |
item.metadata = tostring(myNumber) |
| 00:56 |
ShadowNinja |
If you want to store a table use minetest.serialize |
| 00:58 |
jordan4ibanez |
attempted to index loca "item" a userdata value |
| 00:59 |
Kacey |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtZQjLxdW6s we need this mod... |
| 01:01 |
jordan4ibanez |
wait i think i might have it |
| 01:04 |
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| 01:05 |
jordan4ibanez |
so apparently this local item = inv:add_item("main", "cauldron:cauldron") returns nil |
| 01:08 |
Octupus |
Rawer |
| 01:15 |
Octupus |
Start this chat up again BOOM |
| 01:19 |
lordcirth |
I'm trying to host minetest 0.4.6, but when my friend tries to join I get "Server: peer_id=3: failed to emerge player" |
| 01:19 |
lordcirth |
It spams over and over, he's hung at connection |
| 01:20 |
lordcirth |
Anybody ever have this problem? know how to solve it? |
| 01:21 |
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| 01:26 |
jordan4ibanez |
he needs to change his name |
| 01:26 |
Octupus |
Bang bang |
| 01:33 |
Kacey |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtZQjLxdW6s we really need it |
| 01:34 |
sokomine |
where was that frontier of the map again? is 30200 still safe? |
| 01:34 |
sokomine |
vanessa: thanks! i'll check the screenshot |
| 01:36 |
sokomine |
hmpf. seems the shapes in the saw got mixed up |
| 01:37 |
sokomine |
might be due to the bug. i'll have to figure out how these pull requests went..... |
| 01:46 |
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| 01:56 |
jordan4ibanez |
look at this |
| 01:56 |
jordan4ibanez |
http://pastie.org/pastes/7559454/text?key=1lxijkulbu9njtpi50wf9q |
| 01:56 |
jordan4ibanez |
this fuckin mess just to set itemstack metadata |
| 01:56 |
jordan4ibanez |
fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffufk |
| 01:58 |
Kacey |
night all |
| 02:18 |
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| 02:21 |
jordan4ibanez |
WOW |
| 02:21 |
jordan4ibanez |
get_item_meta and set_item_meta, That'd be KIND OF useful in the api |
| 02:21 |
[0gb_us] |
I think those ARE in the API. |
| 02:22 |
[0gb_us] |
Oh, wait. Maybe not. |
| 02:23 |
ShadowNinja |
get is, set is just itemstack.metadata = "data" |
| 02:26 |
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| 02:30 |
jordan4ibanez |
It's just not letting me replace the metadata, I just don't know why |
| 02:45 |
khonkhortisan |
jordan4ibanez, this mess to get the names of used images https://github.com/khonkhortisan/1x1textureresizer/blob/master/init.lua#L67-L102 |
| 02:49 |
jordan4ibanez |
lol xD |
| 02:49 |
jordan4ibanez |
I finally successfully did it |
| 02:49 |
jordan4ibanez |
inv:set_stack("main", i, "cauldron:cauldron") |
| 02:49 |
jordan4ibanez |
local itemstack = inv:get_stack("main", i):to_table() |
| 02:49 |
jordan4ibanez |
local newstack = itemstack |
| 02:49 |
jordan4ibanez |
newstack["metadata"] = "wiener" |
| 02:49 |
jordan4ibanez |
inv:set_stack("main", i, poop) |
| 02:49 |
jordan4ibanez |
oops, poop is supposed to be newstack |
| 02:51 |
ShadowNinja |
VanessaE: disable backups in gedit settings, you pushed a temp file again |
| 02:51 |
VanessaE |
oops! |
| 02:51 |
VanessaE |
to which repo? |
| 02:51 |
khonkhortisan |
init.lua~, .directory, these are to be destroyed |
| 02:52 |
ShadowNinja |
technic indev |
| 02:52 |
VanessaE |
damn it |
| 02:53 |
VanessaE |
fixed, and .gitignore updated to cover it for the future. |
| 03:09 |
jordan4ibanez |
damn minetest's api might have some slight bottlenecks, but it's becoming insanely flexible |
| 03:12 |
telek |
Indeed. |
| 03:19 |
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| 03:23 |
jordan4ibanez |
YAY now your cauldron stays the same level when you dig it :D |
| 03:30 |
jordan4ibanez |
crap, how do you give an item entity metadata |
| 03:33 |
jordan4ibanez |
Fuck it, I don't have the mental capacity to support item drop with this mod |
| 03:37 |
telek |
You mean to drop into the cauldron? |
| 03:38 |
jordan4ibanez |
No, I mean to make the cauldron drop into an item and have itemstack metadata |
| 03:39 |
jordan4ibanez |
I don't even think it's possible, so I'm just going to move on to the sound effects! |
| 03:39 |
khonkhortisan |
We'll just say the liquid spills out when you throw it on the ground |
| 03:40 |
jordan4ibanez |
that's a good idea, at max level it could bubble over and spill over an acidic liquid |
| 03:42 |
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| 03:56 |
[0gb_us] |
item_drop is WAY annoying anyway. Don't support it, so server admins will be less inclined to install item_drop. |
| 03:57 |
[0gb_us] |
Between you and me though, I think I know how to add support for it. |
| 04:00 |
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| 04:00 |
Exio |
I don't see a why not, it is annoying, but it makes the games a bit harder |
| 04:00 |
jordan4ibanez |
It makes the game easier for me |
| 04:00 |
Exio |
if there was a better support for that (some client prediction, and so? - engine tweaks) |
| 04:00 |
FreeFull |
You could make items gravitate away from players rather than to them |
| 04:00 |
FreeFull |
That would be even harder |
| 04:01 |
Exio |
lol |
| 04:01 |
jordan4ibanez |
I don't understand the issue with the items flying up when there's a bunch of them near you though |
| 04:02 |
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| 04:03 |
khonkhortisan |
then you can design an item-chasing course where players race each other to corner and collect their items |
| 04:04 |
jordan4ibanez |
GETCHYA ITEMS OVER HERE |
| 04:08 |
khonkhortisan |
so would that bea pro-greif or anti-greif measure? |
| 04:09 |
[0gb_us] |
item_drop is way annoying, but I guess it doesn't concern me any more. |
| 04:11 |
khonkhortisan |
I'm using an inventory mod, so I place a node, dig it, and have a stack of 99 plus one dropped node |
| 04:12 |
VanessaE |
sokomine: you here? |
| 04:12 |
jordan4ibanez |
Well technically khon, all you need to do is reverse the value in setvelocity in itemdrops for that |
| 04:15 |
jordan4ibanez |
can I adjust the volume of a sound without restarting it? |
| 04:15 |
jordan4ibanez |
with the sound handler that is |
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| 04:41 |
VanessaE |
http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2004152013%20-%2012:40:39%20AM.png |
| 04:41 |
[0gb_us] |
Nice! |
| 04:41 |
VanessaE |
Chess set built on my server by MichaelEh. |
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| 04:41 |
[0gb_us] |
That's pretty cool. |
| 04:45 |
leo_rockway |
greetings |
| 04:45 |
[0gb_us] |
Greetings. |
| 04:45 |
VanessaE |
hey leo. |
| 04:45 |
leo_rockway |
I just noticed there were changes in git. Any doc on how to compile the new version? |
| 04:45 |
khonkhortisan |
Use luajit. |
| 04:45 |
leo_rockway |
also, are there mobs in the new survival game? |
| 04:45 |
[0gb_us] |
The old doc has how to compile it. |
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| 04:46 |
[0gb_us] |
I don't know about any mobs. |
| 04:46 |
khonkhortisan |
no there aren't mobs in survival |
| 04:46 |
[0gb_us] |
But I also quit watching the repository, so I'm out of the loop. |
| 04:46 |
leo_rockway |
okay |
| 04:46 |
[0gb_us] |
I found a game called "Monster RPG 2". It sounds like a squeal, but I can't find the original .... |
| 04:46 |
leo_rockway |
I see that minetest_game says it requires common, but I'm not sure where to clone it to. |
| 04:47 |
[0gb_us] |
Put common in "games" with minetest_game. |
| 04:47 |
leo_rockway |
alright |
| 04:47 |
MichaelEh |
okay vanessa |
| 04:47 |
leo_rockway |
and how do I build survival? |
| 04:47 |
VanessaE |
MichaelEh: see your pm. |
| 04:48 |
[0gb_us] |
You don't build survival, you put it in games with common. |
| 04:48 |
VanessaE |
survival is like minetest_game. Stick it in games/ |
| 04:48 |
VanessaE |
ditto for common and build |
| 04:49 |
VanessaE |
(I'm glad I simply outright bundle all four games components into my Linux builds :-) ) |
| 04:49 |
leo_rockway |
alright, thank you =] |
| 04:50 |
MichaelEh |
post the picture of the chessboard in the forums, Vanessa so everyone can see it. |
| 04:50 |
[0gb_us] |
Yeah. My update script used to download all four too. It also downloaded dungeon, celeron55's game. |
| 04:50 |
VanessaE |
sure. |
| 04:50 |
MichaelEh |
got to get some sleep |
| 04:50 |
[0gb_us] |
Good night. |
| 04:50 |
VanessaE |
done. |
| 04:51 |
MichaelEh |
it was worth reproducing Okean's chessboard now that Gameboom erased their world |
| 04:51 |
VanessaE |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=84188#p84188 |
| 04:51 |
VanessaE |
damn. missed. |
| 04:52 |
[0gb_us] |
Meh. I'm sure he'll see it. |
| 04:52 |
VanessaE |
yeah |
| 04:58 |
[0gb_us] |
"The next instalment in the classic Monster RPG series, Monster RPG 2 is a ..." SO where do I find the original Monster RPG? I can't seem to find it anywhere, and Google is no help. It's like it completely disappeared from the web ... |
| 04:58 |
[0gb_us] |
*So |
| 04:58 |
VanessaE |
no idea |
| 04:58 |
leo_rockway |
well, that worked. Thank you. |
| 04:58 |
* [0gb_us] |
gives up and just gets #2 |
| 05:00 |
khonkhortisan |
The grain on the wood isn't even, and there's one extra on the cobble, another on the corner |
| 05:00 |
[0gb_us] |
It looks similar to the original Final Fantasy for Nintendo. |
| 05:00 |
[0gb_us] |
Wood as in planks? |
| 05:12 |
khonkhortisan |
yeah, on the chess board |
| 05:19 |
VanessaE |
I'm sure he'll fix it eventually. |
| 05:20 |
khonkhortisan |
hey, we don't have corner grain wood |
| 05:21 |
khonkhortisan |
http://i00.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/814229300/High-Quality-font-b-wooden-b-font-font-b-frame-b-font-apply-for-font-b.jpg |
| 05:23 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 05:23 |
VanessaE |
maybe I'll add it to gloopblocks ;) |
| 05:25 |
khonkhortisan |
Placing it would be difficult. If it was placed like an insulated mesecon corner, you could rotate it on the ground. If the viewing angle worked like pistons, you could put it on the wall. But without being able to stand on your head, you wouldn't be able to rotate it on the wall. |
| 05:28 |
VanessaE |
meh, that's easily handled. |
| 05:30 |
RealBadAngel |
hi all |
| 05:30 |
VanessaE |
hey RBA. check your pm's |
| 05:30 |
VanessaE |
you have messages stacking up :D |
| 05:33 |
RealBadAngel |
hehe i can see |
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| 06:08 |
RealBadAngel |
well, i wonder why so many mesecons items doesnt have crafting recipes |
| 06:09 |
RealBadAngel |
button, lever, lightstones... |
| 06:09 |
RealBadAngel |
is it something wrong with my copy of mesecons? |
| 06:11 |
* VanessaE |
checks her server.. |
| 06:11 |
RealBadAngel |
minetest.register_craft({ |
| 06:11 |
RealBadAngel |
output = '"mesecons_button:button_off" 2', |
| 06:11 |
RealBadAngel |
recipe = { |
| 06:11 |
RealBadAngel |
{'"group:mesecon_conductor_craftable"','"default:stone"'}, |
| 06:11 |
RealBadAngel |
} |
| 06:11 |
RealBadAngel |
}) |
| 06:11 |
RealBadAngel |
wtf is that? |
| 06:11 |
VanessaE |
mesecon conductor craftable??? |
| 06:12 |
VanessaE |
never heard of that |
| 06:12 |
RealBadAngel |
i mean what that ---> '" |
| 06:12 |
VanessaE |
that's old |
| 06:13 |
VanessaE |
I can craft a button with stone and a single regular mesecons wire |
| 06:13 |
RealBadAngel |
old? https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/blob/master/mesecons_button/init.lua#L93 |
| 06:14 |
VanessaE |
and the wall lever recipe works too |
| 06:14 |
VanessaE |
mesecon |
| 06:14 |
VanessaE |
stone |
| 06:14 |
VanessaE |
stick |
| 06:14 |
VanessaE |
but UI craft guide doesn't pick these up. |
| 06:14 |
VanessaE |
the '" "' nomenclature is really old, obsolete syntax |
| 06:14 |
VanessaE |
but Jeija still uses it |
| 06:15 |
VanessaE |
so you have to control for that also |
| 06:15 |
RealBadAngel |
those recipes are wrong |
| 06:15 |
VanessaE |
I think '" "' and "' '" are equivalent in that regard. |
| 06:15 |
VanessaE |
no, they're actually right. |
| 06:15 |
VanessaE |
that syntax is valid |
| 06:15 |
VanessaE |
it's just old and deprecated. |
| 06:15 |
RealBadAngel |
no it isnt |
| 06:15 |
RealBadAngel |
get craft recipes routines wont work with it |
| 06:16 |
VanessaE |
then get craft recipes is broken |
| 06:16 |
VanessaE |
that syntax used to be in the API ages ago. |
| 06:16 |
VanessaE |
ask c55, he'll verify |
| 06:16 |
RealBadAngel |
old deprecated obsolete and you want me to fix my code to use it? |
| 06:16 |
RealBadAngel |
:) |
| 06:17 |
RealBadAngel |
fix the damn recipes |
| 06:17 |
VanessaE |
yep |
| 06:17 |
VanessaE |
I've been fixing them as I come across them, but I haven't dug into mesecons code in quite a while. |
| 06:18 |
RealBadAngel |
i will hunt them down and pull |
| 06:18 |
VanessaE |
either way, your code is busted, because that syntax is still considered valid, if deprecated :) |
| 06:18 |
RealBadAngel |
so valid ive never seen such "flowers" before |
| 06:18 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 06:19 |
RealBadAngel |
and actually ive seen much better inventions |
| 06:20 |
RealBadAngel |
with use of slashes |
| 06:22 |
RealBadAngel |
pulled the 1st one |
| 06:23 |
RealBadAngel |
meseblock -> cookin -> 162 mesecons? |
| 06:23 |
RealBadAngel |
lol |
| 06:24 |
VanessaE |
yup |
| 06:24 |
VanessaE |
1 block = 9 crystals = 9*18 mesecons |
| 06:25 |
VanessaE |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/fbc22f91d511b961b4fbf605b7d8e1b07a7c0e06 |
| 06:25 |
VanessaE |
there's the commit that removed the double-quoted itemstrings. |
| 06:25 |
VanessaE |
way back prior to even 0.4.0 :) |
| 06:26 |
VanessaE |
at least, removed them from the api that is |
| 06:30 |
RealBadAngel |
shall be removed then from engine too |
| 06:31 |
RealBadAngel |
we dont need several kinds of valid formats |
| 06:32 |
RealBadAngel |
atm i can think of 4 |
| 06:32 |
RealBadAngel |
' ' , " ", '" "' and this one with slashes |
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| 06:33 |
VanessaE |
slashes? you mean escaped strings? |
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| 06:33 |
RealBadAngel |
which were used also in mesecons i think |
| 06:33 |
Jordach |
hey all |
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RealBadAngel |
hi Jordach |
| 06:33 |
[0gb_us] |
Hello. |
| 06:34 |
VanessaE |
hey Jordach |
| 06:34 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: seen the latest changes to HDX and homedecor? :) |
| 06:35 |
Jordach |
nope. |
| 06:35 |
VanessaE |
check them out. They're good. |
| 06:35 |
Jordach |
<Jordach> fine |
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| 06:38 |
RealBadAngel |
ive pushed some bugfixes and changes to technic indev |
| 06:39 |
VanessaE |
updated my server accordingly. |
| 06:39 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, ooh |
| 06:39 |
Jordach |
nice |
| 06:40 |
VanessaE |
thought you'd like it :) |
| 06:47 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, hdx looks a lot better than it used to |
| 06:50 |
RealBadAngel |
yikes, game of thrones s03e03 is out :) |
| 06:50 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, hint: the leaves needs to be more tiled |
| 06:50 |
VanessaE |
RealBadAngel: you broke UI again, aaa_recipeshook in depends.txt. I just deleted and pushed. |
| 06:50 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: which leaves? |
| 06:50 |
RealBadAngel |
hehe noticed it too a minute ago |
| 06:50 |
Jordach |
default:leaves |
| 06:50 |
VanessaE |
oh those |
| 06:50 |
VanessaE |
I still need to figure out what kind of trees default trees even ARE |
| 06:51 |
[0gb_us] |
They are apple trees. |
| 06:52 |
VanessaE |
I'm not so sure if that's accurate |
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| 06:52 |
VanessaE |
for a while there they never spawned apples except if planted...like they were some kind of hybrid |
| 06:52 |
VanessaE |
I always figured they were maybe walnut, if they didn't spawn apples. |
| 06:52 |
[0gb_us] |
Then why do they sometimes have apples? What other kind of tree has apples? |
| 06:52 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, latest mapgen spawns apples randomly |
| 06:53 |
VanessaE |
true |
| 06:53 |
VanessaE |
still |
| 06:53 |
VanessaE |
moretrees already has nice apple trees :) |
| 06:53 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, all Oak Leaves in Minecraft drop apples |
| 06:53 |
[0gb_us] |
That may be, but it doesn't make the default trees not apple trees. |
| 06:54 |
Jordach |
(every now and then) |
| 06:54 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: ewwww |
| 06:54 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, its like a 1/25 drop |
| 06:54 |
[0gb_us] |
THose are called ACORNS, Jordach. |
| 06:54 |
VanessaE |
I'll fix the leaves later on, if I can find a really good image of apple leaves. |
| 06:54 |
VanessaE |
(the ones I use for moretrees apple trees bear blossoms) |
| 06:56 |
[0gb_us] |
OOH! Add flowering cheries! |
| 06:56 |
[0gb_us] |
Or don't, it's up to you. |
| 06:56 |
[0gb_us] |
But pink trees would be awesome. |
| 06:57 |
VanessaE |
actually, someone long ago had a cherry tree mod |
| 06:57 |
VanessaE |
and I still have the textures for it too |
| 06:58 |
VanessaE |
I don't remember who it was or even what the mod name was. |
| 06:58 |
VanessaE |
gt_cherryblosson maybe? |
| 06:58 |
VanessaE |
growing trees mod? |
| 06:58 |
VanessaE |
If someone wants to donate a proper L-systems model and give me some biome data I'll add cherry trees to moretrees. |
| 06:59 |
[0gb_us] |
I have no idea how the L-systems work, and I quit Minetest anyway. But maybe someone else knows how to do it. |
| 07:00 |
VanessaE |
you quit? why? |
| 07:00 |
[0gb_us] |
Arguing with certain people out of game and dealing with vandals in game became too stressful for me. |
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| 07:01 |
VanessaE |
damn :( |
| 07:01 |
[0gb_us] |
When PilzAdam had the settings for the new camera jerking, that was the last straw for me. Camera jerking is stupid, and there should be a way to shut it off. |
| 07:02 |
VanessaE |
maybe you just need a break. |
| 07:02 |
[0gb_us] |
But no, he likes camera jerking, and wants to force it on everyone. |
| 07:02 |
[0gb_us] |
No. I gave up. I'm not doing this anymore. |
| 07:02 |
VanessaE |
:-( |
| 07:02 |
[0gb_us] |
Unlike those before me, I won't try to erase my work from the web though. |
| 07:03 |
VanessaE |
people are leaving in droves :( |
| 07:03 |
[0gb_us] |
I'm not spiteful, just tired. |
| 07:03 |
[0gb_us] |
Yeah. It happens. |
| 07:03 |
RealBadAngel |
take a break just, it helps |
| 07:03 |
[0gb_us] |
Too late. |
| 07:04 |
[0gb_us] |
I already passes my world on to rarkenin, and released several inhibitors in said world. |
| 07:05 |
[0gb_us] |
My OCD won't let me take back a "tainted" world, so I'd have to start over. But I"m still hosting that world for him, and I can't host a second world. |
| 07:05 |
VanessaE |
maybe you will find some time later that you still want to play a little. e.g. on someone else server. |
| 07:06 |
[0gb_us] |
Nah. I purged Minetest from my computer already. Plus, If I play, I'm back to dealing with vandals. And possibly developers. |
| 07:06 |
[0gb_us] |
And that irritating camera jerking. |
| 07:06 |
VanessaE |
no vandals on my server, and the only devs there are RBA and I :-) |
| 07:06 |
* VanessaE |
secretly re-installs latest Minetest git on 0gb's machine.. |
| 07:07 |
[0gb_us] |
Yeah, and your server is wonderful. However, I need a sense of value. For example, my main goal is to hoard iron. But on your server, material goods have no value. |
| 07:07 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 07:07 |
VanessaE |
so hoard land instead |
| 07:07 |
[0gb_us] |
Good luck, I have screen lock. You don't know my password. |
| 07:07 |
VanessaE |
that's still quite finite. |
| 07:08 |
[0gb_us] |
No protection. I can't put land in locked chests, and I can't protect it with protector. |
| 07:08 |
[0gb_us] |
So I can't truly own it. |
| 07:08 |
VanessaE |
node_ownership |
| 07:09 |
[0gb_us] |
Yeah, but only you have access to that. |
| 07:09 |
[0gb_us] |
If I'm not mistaken. |
| 07:09 |
VanessaE |
yeah |
| 07:10 |
[0gb_us] |
Creative mode is great, but it's not the mode for me. Then again, I guess neither is survival, due to vandals. |
| 07:13 |
* [0gb_us] |
wishes for a world without people who TRY to hurt others |
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| 07:18 |
VanessaE |
I wish. |
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| 07:53 |
[0gb_us] |
I found a new licence: http://www.nooskewl.com/content/official-license-post |
| 07:54 |
VanessaE |
looks like WTFPL but expressed in legalese |
| 07:54 |
[0gb_us] |
It's as free as WTFPL, but lacks the swearing. |
| 07:55 |
* [0gb_us] |
likes this version of WTFPL better |
| 07:55 |
[0gb_us] |
The main reason I never used WTFPL is because of the "F". |
| 07:56 |
celeron55 |
CC0 = WTFPL without swearing |
| 07:57 |
[0gb_us] |
Ah, I see. I should have used that then. |
| 07:57 |
[0gb_us] |
Too late now though. |
| 07:57 |
celeron55 |
why too late |
| 07:58 |
VanessaE |
he purged,. |
| 07:58 |
[0gb_us] |
OH! I've been meaning to talk to you. |
| 07:58 |
[0gb_us] |
Too late as my stuff I'm making is already licenced. |
| 07:58 |
[0gb_us] |
celeron55: Are Minetest "mods" modifications or modules? |
| 07:59 |
celeron55 |
neither 8) |
| 07:59 |
[0gb_us] |
Moderators then? Or what? |
| 07:59 |
celeron55 |
they're also scripts |
| 07:59 |
celeron55 |
but the name for them is just mods |
| 08:00 |
[0gb_us] |
Not short for anything? Okay, I've never heard of that. |
| 08:00 |
celeron55 |
because they are modular modifications made with scripting; all of those names by themselves are misleading |
| 08:00 |
[0gb_us] |
I see. |
| 08:00 |
celeron55 |
in all official documentation they are always called just "mods" :P |
| 08:01 |
[0gb_us] |
I figured "modification" was inaccurate, as modifications must be made in C++, but I though module might be fitting. |
| 08:01 |
[0gb_us] |
Whatever works though, makes no difference to me. |
| 08:02 |
celeron55 |
but module often implies a binary interface |
| 08:02 |
[0gb_us] |
Anyway, thanks for clearing that uo! |
| 08:02 |
[0gb_us] |
It does? My bad. |
| 08:02 |
[0gb_us] |
Hmm. |
| 08:02 |
* [0gb_us] |
has a lot to learn yet |
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| 08:03 |
celeron55 |
anyhow, i must say i don't really understand people who delete everything when the quit |
| 08:05 |
ruskie |
there's probably a word for those |
| 08:05 |
[0gb_us] |
I'm quiting, but I'm not deleting my stuff. |
| 08:05 |
VanessaE |
rather than ask why people delete their stuff, the better question is why are people leaving. |
| 08:06 |
[0gb_us] |
I lost most of it due to hard drive failure, but the stuff I didn't lose is still up. |
| 08:06 |
Calinou |
some people randomly download mods just in case the upload site fails :P I did that for a few mods |
| 08:06 |
[0gb_us] |
I think deleting one's stuff when they leave is spiteful, and I feel no resentment toward anyone, so there would be no point. |
| 08:07 |
celeron55 |
maybe [0gb_us] could try to analyze it why he is quitting |
| 08:07 |
celeron55 |
this is a rare chance 8) |
| 08:07 |
VanessaE |
celeron55: scroll back. |
| 08:07 |
VanessaE |
he already did. |
| 08:07 |
[0gb_us] |
I know exactly why I'm quiting. |
| 08:07 |
[0gb_us] |
I analized whether or not quitting was the right option. |
| 08:07 |
VanessaE |
in short, disagreements with code devs on how things should work, disagreements with other, unsavory parts of the community, e.g. vandals. |
| 08:07 |
VanessaE |
core devs* |
| 08:08 |
[0gb_us] |
It's just too stressful here while I remain bound to the game. |
| 08:08 |
celeron55 |
well, griefers are griefers |
| 08:09 |
[0gb_us] |
Now that I'm no longer bound, this place seems friendly once more, so I'll stick around IRC for a while. |
| 08:09 |
* VanessaE |
piles a few cute, fluffy kittens around [0gb_us]'s feet. |
| 08:09 |
celeron55 |
griefers are why i haven't personally maintained a minetest server in a long time (in addition to me getting somewhat bored to this genre of games) |
| 08:09 |
[0gb_us] |
I've only met one person on IRC who I really dislikes, and he's never on anymore. |
| 08:10 |
[0gb_us] |
Yeah, a probably permanent problem, those people. |
| 08:10 |
VanessaE |
yeah but you find griefers in almost any game where there's some kind of construction aspect. |
| 08:10 |
Calinou |
even without construction |
| 08:10 |
VanessaE |
I've seen the term applies to campers too |
| 08:10 |
VanessaE |
applied* |
| 08:10 |
Calinou |
teamkillers in FPSes are griefers :P |
| 08:11 |
[0gb_us] |
As for the genre, there isn't much of a goal ... |
| 08:11 |
VanessaE |
indeed, in other games with completely different gameplay |
| 08:12 |
VanessaE |
celeron55: the problem of griefing in minetest is easily mitigated, at the expense of some "friendliness" |
| 08:12 |
Calinou |
not giving interact by default is boring, kinda |
| 08:12 |
[0gb_us] |
And without friendliness, the game looses a lot. |
| 08:13 |
Calinou |
or give it in an easy way, just to not accept obvious griefers |
| 08:13 |
VanessaE |
maybe |
| 08:13 |
Calinou |
(I stopped joining any MC server that requires something "heavy" to get interact) |
| 08:13 |
VanessaE |
but which is more friendly? a server you can be pretty sure isn't heavily griefed, or one where you have to sign on every couple of days just to rebuild your stuff |
| 08:13 |
Calinou |
fair protection mods work |
| 08:13 |
Calinou |
i.e. (not node_ownership) |
| 08:14 |
celeron55 |
well, minetest would be a lot better if we designed and implemented the best possible automatic griefer avoidance stuff and included it in upstream releases |
| 08:14 |
celeron55 |
but that's a really boring problem for me at least |
| 08:14 |
[0gb_us] |
I think Glomie's/Zeg9's protector is the ultimate option. |
| 08:14 |
VanessaE |
only reason I don't use protection mods of the caliber of glomie's and similar is that it makes it trivial to claim land that isn't yours. |
| 08:14 |
Calinou |
it works nicely, [0gb_us], yeah |
| 08:15 |
[0gb_us] |
Any protection that requires admins do divy it out is highly unfriendly. Worse than no protection. |
| 08:15 |
Calinou |
if you don't connect for a while, why not remove your protection blocks? |
| 08:15 |
[0gb_us] |
In my opinion. |
| 08:15 |
Calinou |
(automatically, by the server I mean) |
| 08:15 |
VanessaE |
griefer signs in, looks through the inventory for either a protect block or materials to make one, and suddenly they own your house because you forgot to use one |
| 08:16 |
[0gb_us] |
Because old buildings shouldn't be wrecked. Try moving out to another city if you need space. |
| 08:16 |
[0gb_us] |
Then the issue is to not forget to protect. |
| 08:16 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: two words: Papyrus Town |
| 08:16 |
[0gb_us] |
Papyrus Town? |
| 08:16 |
VanessaE |
redcrab's server. oldest town on the server, badly griefed a while back because it wasn't protected. |
| 08:17 |
VanessaE |
took Neuro and I a while to rebuild it adequately. |
| 08:17 |
[0gb_us] |
So players need to learn to protect their things. |
| 08:18 |
VanessaE |
and leave protection blocks all over the place, spoiling the landscape and structures? |
| 08:18 |
VanessaE |
no thanks. |
| 08:18 |
[0gb_us] |
It should be the player's responsibility, and the player should be given the tools. In a perfectly configured worls, no admin is needed. |
| 08:19 |
[0gb_us] |
Except maybe to do maintenance tasks such as moving the spawn point. |
| 08:19 |
celeron55 |
then what comes to disagreements with developers, that's just bound to happen to individuals if anything is added or done at all; and having settings and options for *everything* can in the long run complicate the codebase and divide the userbase too much |
| 08:20 |
celeron55 |
so my answer to that really is: either deal with it, or become an active developer yourself so you can make things the way you see as good |
| 08:20 |
[0gb_us] |
celeron55: That's fine, and I understand. But it's not something I can work with. When stupid features are added, there should be a way to disable them. For example, camera jerking and particles. These things are annoying and have no value. |
| 08:20 |
VanessaE |
celeron55: it would, yes, but we can all agree that sometimes it's just easier to add a config option than to argue with the contingent of people who want a given option reverted. |
| 08:21 |
[0gb_us] |
I've tried adding code, and any non-bug fix I submit is turned down. |
| 08:21 |
celeron55 |
VanessaE: true; but the starting point should always be "no setting", and it should only be added if there is enough requests for it |
| 08:21 |
VanessaE |
celeron55: that's fair, but how many is "enough"? |
| 08:21 |
[0gb_us] |
The bug fixes pretty much hae to be pulled, but no one with power likes my other additions. |
| 08:21 |
[0gb_us] |
*have |
| 08:22 |
VanessaE |
obviously the answer to that question depends on the feature at hand. |
| 08:23 |
VanessaE |
I personally can't think of anything that I'd want to turn off now, it all seems to work okay. |
| 08:23 |
celeron55 |
[0gb_us]: generally additions that come out of nowhere will be discarded; it seems to be really hard to realize to people but it's equally important to communicate about an addition as implementing it |
| 08:23 |
[0gb_us] |
Anyway, between particular developers being stubborn and vandals in game wrecking stuff, it's just too stressful for me. |
| 08:23 |
[0gb_us] |
I see. |
| 08:23 |
[0gb_us] |
So I should not write code, but discuss writing code? |
| 08:23 |
celeron55 |
work itself is not useful at all; what is useful is work that is done towards an agreed direction |
| 08:24 |
celeron55 |
it sucks as a contributor, but imagine every random person getting their additions to the core that they happened to code and wanted in |
| 08:24 |
VanessaE |
[0gb_us]: he is referring to prestidigitator's mapgen "contributions" that were unannounced, not discussed in any way, and ultimate unwanted because they were redundant really |
| 08:24 |
VanessaE |
at least that's the most visible one I can recall. |
| 08:24 |
[0gb_us] |
I see. |
| 08:24 |
celeron55 |
it would be a terrible and completely non-directed mess of random things |
| 08:24 |
VanessaE |
celeron55: you mean like most of the projects on the internet? :) |
| 08:25 |
celeron55 |
well... dunno 8) |
| 08:26 |
[0gb_us] |
Well, there's still the stressful vandals. None of my stuff ever gets wrecked, because I use protection, but other people ignore protection, and blame me for not taking care of vandals. If they just protected their stuff, vandals couldn't hurt them. Somehow, it's my fault anyway. Really!? No, not my fault. |
| 08:27 |
celeron55 |
[0gb_us]: generally it seems to be a good idea to use roughly equally much time for designing stuff together as for coding the stuff (in my experience) |
| 08:27 |
VanessaE |
[0gb_us]: on the other hand, if one wants to contribute something, if they don't discuss it with someone, they should at least check out the list of issues, feature request, etc. and work against those. |
| 08:29 |
VanessaE |
there, finally finished uploading updates for my server's map/game/cache |
| 08:29 |
[0gb_us] |
When I have an issue, I try to fix it myself instead of complaining. Then I submit a pull request. The goal isn't "to code", the goal is to fix the problems I have with things. Searching the list of other people's problems doesn't help with that. Not to be selfish, but if people won't even take pull requests to fix the things I care about, why should I try to fix other people's issues? They should try to fix those themselves as well. |
| 08:30 |
celeron55 |
afaik your fixes to issues have been noted |
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| 08:30 |
celeron55 |
even if such isn |
| 08:30 |
celeron55 |
even if such isn't taken directly, it always influences the final fix |
| 08:30 |
celeron55 |
either as a hint of how to do it, or as a hint of how to not do it 8) |
| 08:31 |
[0gb_us] |
So far, nothing I do has had any real influence, save for ONE bug fix, a patch to an issue everyone was complaining about. |
| 08:32 |
celeron55 |
by the way, where are these things you have done? |
| 08:32 |
[0gb_us] |
None of the people in power seem to care about my other stuff. Which honestly, is fine. But why waste my time, if my time will just be wasted? I'm done trying. |
| 08:33 |
[0gb_us] |
I've been trying to fix lack of sustainability, mostly. |
| 08:33 |
[0gb_us] |
I've also tried to add features to chat commands. |
| 08:33 |
[0gb_us] |
I forget what else. |
| 08:33 |
Calinou |
<[0gb_us]> celeron55: That's fine, and I understand. But it's not something I can work with. When stupid features are added, there should be a way to disable them. For example, camera jerking and particles. These things are annoying and have no value. |
| 08:33 |
Calinou |
...what? |
| 08:33 |
Calinou |
I'd like to see you as leader of a FOSS project |
| 08:33 |
[0gb_us] |
Oh, I also tried adding configuration settings. |
| 08:33 |
celeron55 |
but like i don't remember anything, and either i don't know your github account or you haven't submitted any pull requests on github |
| 08:34 |
[0gb_us] |
*But |
| 08:34 |
Calinou |
there is setting and setting, some are useful, some are not |
| 08:34 |
Calinou |
you can disable view bobbing already, it's enough |
| 08:34 |
[0gb_us] |
You CAN"T dissable the bobbing though. |
| 08:34 |
Calinou |
landing effect, you can't (by the way: it affects where you point, to disabling it could give some tiny advantage) |
| 08:34 |
Calinou |
view_bobbing_amount = 0 |
| 08:34 |
[0gb_us] |
That's the whole point, you can't! |
| 08:34 |
Calinou |
or view_bobbing = 0 if you don't want the wield item to sway |
| 08:34 |
celeron55 |
[0gb_us]: are you going to show me a patch or not? |
| 08:34 |
RealBadAngel |
btw, some1 could make GUI tool to manage minetest.conf |
| 08:35 |
[0gb_us] |
No, that disables bobbing from walking, wich I'm not needing disabled. It's so slight. It's the damage and fall bobbing that jerk so much and need to be disableable. |
| 08:35 |
[0gb_us] |
A patch to which? |
| 08:35 |
Calinou |
VanessaE: you can hide protection blocks underground :P |
| 08:36 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: ok, so what about the next 10 nodes above? :-) |
| 08:36 |
Calinou |
we could make them non-solid and transparent anyway |
| 08:36 |
celeron55 |
i'm not trying to get you back into development, but rather i want to analyze whether there is something that i am able to change in our principles or guides that would help future contributors that may think like [0gb_us] |
| 08:36 |
RealBadAngel |
PilzAdam forced no setting for that, Taoki wanted the config option |
| 08:36 |
Calinou |
(but still visible) |
| 08:36 |
VanessaE |
good luck protecting a skyscraper with such blocks, invisibly. |
| 08:36 |
[0gb_us] |
The bobbing was a complaint, not a patch, as there WAS a setting, and PilzAdam had it removed. |
| 08:36 |
celeron55 |
[0gb_us]: ideally i would like to see all of your unaccepted patches to core |
| 08:36 |
Taoki |
I insisted on keeping a setting for the fall bobbing. Never the less it should be good as it is too |
| 08:37 |
Calinou |
also, there is little reason to disable the fall bobbing, it adds a lot of feel to the game |
| 08:37 |
[0gb_us] |
To the core? I mostly work in common and mientest_game, as I have no C++ skill yet. I'm learning C now though, C++ is probably next. |
| 08:37 |
Calinou |
when I play without it (on older versions), it felt weird :P |
| 08:37 |
Taoki |
Calinou: True, it is something too small to want to disable |
| 08:37 |
celeron55 |
[0gb_us]: ah, now i get some results |
| 08:37 |
RealBadAngel |
some like it, some dont, as usual. thus config option shall be there imho |
| 08:38 |
[0gb_us] |
I don't think it adds "feel", I think it adds annoyance. The camera doesn't need to be jerked arround. |
| 08:38 |
[0gb_us] |
That's all I was asking for. Configuration. |
| 08:38 |
[0gb_us] |
No matter though. Not my issue any more. |
| 08:38 |
Calinou |
Taoki: in xonotic you can also disable the fall bobbing, everyone does that :P |
| 08:39 |
Taoki |
Calinou: Xonotic has a different policy on settings. There's basically a setting for every little thing. MineTest (and most projects) try to avoid settings for anything that doesn't really need them |
| 08:39 |
[0gb_us] |
I've withdrawn all pull requests that go against PilzAdam's vission, and as soon as the last two are pulled or denied, I'll delete my fork. |
| 08:40 |
Taoki |
I ike Xon having so many cvars personally (as long as it doesn't slow things down). Sometimes that can get confusing though. Hard to find the balance between making a setting for everything and not doing so |
| 08:40 |
Calinou |
yes, but it's a bit hard to navigate through them all |
| 08:40 |
Calinou |
minetest doesn't have a console where you can set settings in real time anyway |
| 08:40 |
RealBadAngel |
lets group them and make those gui to manage all settings |
| 08:41 |
RealBadAngel |
with just checkboxes |
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| 08:43 |
RealBadAngel |
shouldnt be that hard, irrlicht examples are out there, copy some config file routines from mt and make standalone config utility |
| 08:45 |
RealBadAngel |
what do you think about it folks? |
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| 08:46 |
celeron55 |
[0gb_us]: all of your pull requests are less than 21 days old and most of them are closed by yourself |
| 08:46 |
celeron55 |
[0gb_us]: you're in way too much hurry in here |
| 08:46 |
VanessaE |
celeron55: to be fair, the rate at which the codebase is moving, 21 days is an eon. |
| 08:47 |
celeron55 |
not really; the pull requests to common mods are compatible for merging for a long time |
| 08:47 |
RealBadAngel |
ive seen things commited after half a year already ;) |
| 08:47 |
RealBadAngel |
clouds, shaders to name two of them |
| 08:47 |
celeron55 |
i see [0gb_us]'s stuff as mostly as a discussion starter than ready-to-merge stuff |
| 08:48 |
VanessaE |
celeron55: sure, of course. I'm just thinking of how some of my own projects have gone, and I know RBA can attest to this in his projects - even a couple of days can mean the difference between a killer feature making into the project versus it having to be completely rewritten. |
| 08:49 |
[0gb_us] |
I see. Well, the final straw was the removal of settings. I withdrew my stuff only because I was leaving anyway, and I figured it wouldn't make it in. I withdrew to speed my departure. |
| 08:49 |
[0gb_us] |
I can't delete my fork until my stuff is merged, denied, or withdrawn. |
| 08:50 |
[0gb_us] |
Speaking of which, I still haven't seen kaeza .... |
| 08:51 |
VanessaE |
he's been on the forums, but last time I saw him here I think he was having connection issues. |
| 08:51 |
[0gb_us] |
I see. I guess I'll continue to wait then. |
| 08:52 |
[0gb_us] |
I need him to pull a bug fix, but he'll do that before my common pulls are decided upon, so I really shouldn't be in a rush with kaeza. |
| 08:54 |
celeron55 |
i do think there are some things going on that could just rip apart this whole project though |
| 08:55 |
celeron55 |
on the other hand there has always been so i'm not really worried 8) |
| 08:55 |
celeron55 |
there has always been a good chance of the project just dying |
| 08:57 |
celeron55 |
i have learnt to not care too much (which has probably kept me from stressing myself to death) |
| 08:57 |
VanessaE |
some things going on, such as what? |
| 08:57 |
celeron55 |
the thing i'm most worried at the moment could be that most developers aren't really playing the game much at all |
| 08:57 |
Taoki |
RealBadAngel: Are big trees in the engine now, or still a Lua mod? |
| 08:58 |
VanessaE |
Taoki: still in my mod. |
| 08:58 |
VanessaE |
but the engine handles the hard work. |
| 08:58 |
celeron55 |
or, one thing |
| 08:58 |
VanessaE |
celeron55: ironic you should say that, since said you don't play anymore :) |
| 08:58 |
Taoki |
VanessaE: What's the link to your mod? |
| 08:58 |
celeron55 |
VanessaE: it's not ironic because i acknowledge it too |
| 08:59 |
VanessaE |
Taoki: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4394 |
| 08:59 |
[0gb_us] |
That's the thing: the stress is too much for me. |
| 08:59 |
[0gb_us] |
I can't be involved AND not care. |
| 09:00 |
celeron55 |
there aren't any quick solutions to this; the simplified things to do are making the game interesting to those who currently develop it, or getting some people from the playerbase into devving or at least into being authoritative of what is done |
| 09:00 |
celeron55 |
i have no idea how to do either, so i'll do nothing |
| 09:00 |
VanessaE |
celeron55: I call it irony because the very thing you are afraid may kill the project is something you yourself are guilty of. :-) <--- note the smiley. This is supposed to be light-hearted. |
| 09:02 |
VanessaE |
as for who has the authority to make decisions on the game or the engine.. *shakes head* that's a problem we can't solve at all right now, as there just aren't enough people involved in the "hard" aspects of the project |
| 09:02 |
VanessaE |
(e.g. the nuts, bolts, and sludge of the engine) |
| 09:02 |
celeron55 |
but really, i do think at this rate our end product isn't going to improve at least at such a rate that could be possible in an another situation |
| 09:03 |
Calinou |
pilzadam is the person to blame, /me says |
| 09:03 |
celeron55 |
well currently the authority is the people who do most core work |
| 09:03 |
Calinou |
I don't know why but his comments on pull requests look... stupid |
| 09:03 |
[0gb_us] |
Blame him for what? |
| 09:03 |
Calinou |
for not merging nice stuff, removing settings |
| 09:03 |
Calinou |
or answering with "there are mods" |
| 09:03 |
[0gb_us] |
I see. |
| 09:03 |
[0gb_us] |
I hate that answer. |
| 09:04 |
Taoki |
VanessaE: Thanks. Though I don't understand why they aren't default yet |
| 09:04 |
celeron55 |
well for that to change, somebody must go and work with PilzAdam |
| 09:04 |
Taoki |
celeron55: If the engine handles the generation of large trees, why aren't they in yet? Still too slow or maybe buggy? |
| 09:04 |
celeron55 |
he's quite the only "game developer" who dares to work with the core team in a productive way |
| 09:04 |
[0gb_us] |
Maybe one day, after I finish learning C. Assuming I'm able to start caring again. |
| 09:04 |
VanessaE |
Taoki: because they need plants_lib, which is not (imho) fast enough to be suitable for inclusion into common. it needs to be rewritten in C++. |
| 09:05 |
Taoki |
oh, ok |
| 09:05 |
celeron55 |
Taoki: hmmmm is responsible for making that to happen some day; i guess the engine doesn't have good means to place them yet |
| 09:05 |
* Taoki |
nods |
| 09:06 |
Taoki |
Yeah, Pilz is a very helpful and involved dev. I fix many codes with him and get them merged soon |
| 09:06 |
VanessaE |
pilzadam usually asks for my opinion on things he's about to commit, so at least there's some balance there :-) |
| 09:06 |
VanessaE |
(he's survival, I'm creative... talk about polar opposites :D ) |
| 09:06 |
celeron55 |
but really, everyone should understand that we do have resources to do more stuff, but the problems are mostly organizational, and the only one who can fix that is you, by getting to know the upstream development and working with the upstream devs |
| 09:06 |
Taoki |
Yeah. MT is one of the fewer FOSS projects that have the luck of having enough resources. |
| 09:07 |
Taoki |
An year ago I was complaining that there's no one around to merge codes we contribute. That changed, and a lot of awesome things are happening quickly now |
| 09:08 |
[0gb_us] |
Yeah, I'm done with upstream devs. At least, as developers. They still hold great non-dev conversation! ☺ |
| 09:08 |
[0gb_us] |
And come to think of it, it's fun to talk about the dev stuff too, now that I'm not emotionally attached any more. |
| 09:08 |
celeron55 |
also if the project is going to a wrong direction, it's again the reader of this text who can fix it, not the old-timers like me |
| 09:08 |
celeron55 |
(altough, i can use my authority to make things better when i see a way to do so) |
| 09:09 |
celeron55 |
getting emotionally attached to anything is the worst thing to do ever |
| 09:09 |
celeron55 |
it can only cause sadness |
| 09:09 |
[0gb_us] |
Without emotion though, I don't have the heart to do anything. |
| 09:09 |
sfan5 |
any comments to #580 and #595 ? should I close them? |
| 09:09 |
celeron55 |
well, it's possible towards some philosophy or so |
| 09:10 |
Taoki |
I guess. I'm mostly attached to the things I code myself :P But not only |
| 09:10 |
[0gb_us] |
Emotions are lame though. |
| 09:10 |
celeron55 |
the buddhists or so have always taught that you shouldn't get emotionally attached to your code, right? |
| 09:11 |
celeron55 |
8) |
| 09:11 |
Calinou |
gentoo users* |
| 09:11 |
[0gb_us] |
If I don't care, I have no reason to code. If I do care, I'm hurt when it goes wrong. There's no way to win. Life sucks. |
| 09:12 |
celeron55 |
the key here is to think of code as a way to achieve some end result |
| 09:12 |
celeron55 |
the code is not important but the end result is |
| 09:13 |
[0gb_us] |
Yes, but if the ends cannot be achieved, there is no point. That's why I'm making my own game. After I learn C. |
| 09:14 |
Taoki |
true |
| 09:15 |
[0gb_us] |
My graphics will suck though, as will my sounds. This will be a fact. |
| 09:15 |
celeron55 |
so does your C currently too |
| 09:16 |
celeron55 |
use some time to learn those while learning C 8) |
| 09:16 |
[0gb_us] |
My C is fixable. |
| 09:16 |
celeron55 |
art and music are skills too |
| 09:16 |
[0gb_us] |
I have the type of mind that can code, I just need to learn. |
| 09:16 |
[0gb_us] |
I've never had a mind that could di music. |
| 09:16 |
celeron55 |
you can get a long way by just knowing a bit of theory and practicing |
| 09:16 |
[0gb_us] |
I MIGHT be able to learn graphic art. |
| 09:17 |
[0gb_us] |
I used to be a violinist. I spent six years of practice, and still sucked. I can't do music well, it's not within my power. |
| 09:17 |
celeron55 |
but yeah, most who have to learn C have done programming since being teens so it's kind of a longer project |
| 09:18 |
[0gb_us] |
I picked up PHP right away, unlike music though. Sure, PHP isn't C, but it means I can code better than work with music. ☺ |
| 09:19 |
celeron55 |
i'm in the happy situation that if in doubt, i can do some art and music |
| 09:20 |
[0gb_us] |
That must be nice. |
| 09:20 |
Taoki |
Minetest is actually how I've learned C++ in practice |
| 09:20 |
Taoki |
Other C++ codes I could barely understand, but MT's made sense |
| 09:20 |
celeron55 |
making art and music is slow and painful and i can't play any real instrument nor know much of music theory and also i can't paint with real equipment... but when i comes to making a game, it's barely enough 8) |
| 09:21 |
Taoki |
Kinda the same there |
| 09:21 |
[0gb_us] |
Maybe I'll come back after I learn C then, to learn C++ with you guys. Maybe. |
| 09:21 |
Taoki |
[0gb_us]: I suggest Mt's code as a way of learning C++. It's very easy and clean IMO |
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| 09:22 |
Taoki |
BTW. I'm getting the feeling shaders are no longer workng for me. I have the Shaders checkbox enabled, but water is no longer lowered and sunlight is no longer smooth with daytime cycle |
| 09:23 |
Taoki |
Is there some automated detection which fails for my card perhaps? |
| 09:23 |
Taoki |
fglrx driver here |
| 09:23 |
[0gb_us] |
Water isn't in the shaders any more. |
| 09:23 |
[0gb_us] |
I don't know on the rest. |
| 09:23 |
Taoki |
ok. Daytime isn't being smooth either |
| 09:23 |
celeron55 |
there's zero automatic detection |
| 09:23 |
Taoki |
hmm |
| 09:24 |
Calinou |
new_style_water = 1 |
| 09:24 |
celeron55 |
unless somebody has added it |
| 09:24 |
Calinou |
works with and without shader |
| 09:24 |
VanessaE |
Taoki: check if some lighted objects like glowlights, glow glass, etc looks "dim" or "flat". If it does, shaders are disabled. |
| 09:25 |
Taoki |
I'm trying to help someone run MT on an older machine. But even without shaders they get 1fps. Anyone know what could improve that? |
| 09:25 |
VanessaE |
most visible thing I can see a difference in anyway. |
| 09:25 |
celeron55 |
Taoki: how old machine |
| 09:25 |
VanessaE |
Taoki: he's in VESA mode ;) |
| 09:25 |
mauvebic |
Music and art, Name two classes i completely failed lol </jeopardy> |
| 09:26 |
Taoki |
VanessaE: She's running Win 7 though on an older laptop |
| 09:26 |
Taoki |
celeron55: gma915gc, 2gb ddr2, pentium mobile 1.5ghz, windows 7 |
| 09:26 |
mauvebic |
though i make a kickass marbleized cheesecake :/ |
| 09:26 |
VanessaE |
Taoki: I would guess lack of a compatible driver for Win 7 then. Remember that Vista-class and later Windows dropped support for a lot of older drivers. |
| 09:27 |
VanessaE |
graphics I am reasonably good at. Music, not so much. Food, I kick ass :D |
| 09:27 |
[0gb_us] |
Switch to Ubuntu then. The Ubuntu drivers work with Minetest. |
| 09:27 |
mauvebic |
i love to cook, which is ironic because i dont eat much at all lol |
| 09:28 |
Taoki |
Anyway, should it be working with the specs I mentioned? |
| 09:28 |
Calinou |
[0gb_us]: intel drivers are slower on linux |
| 09:28 |
Calinou |
Taoki: yes but really slowly |
| 09:28 |
Calinou |
disable aero |
| 09:28 |
Taoki |
She runs the classic Windows interface, Aero isn't supported |
| 09:28 |
Calinou |
k |
| 09:28 |
[0gb_us] |
celeron55: Ah. I see. I'm on AMD, so maybe that's why my drivers are fine. |
| 09:28 |
celeron55 |
well, assuming GMA915 is a bit like GMA945, it'll work at more than 1fps but nothing fancy at all |
| 09:28 |
Calinou |
[0gb_us]: >AMD >fine |
| 09:28 |
Calinou |
uhu h |
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| 09:29 |
VanessaE |
that would be why. Aero is a 3D/directx desktop, no? |
| 09:29 |
Calinou |
Taoki: disable 3D clouds, fancy trees, farmesh too |
| 09:29 |
Calinou |
this makes minetest playable on my netbook |
| 09:29 |
VanessaE |
if it can't run aero, it probably won't run anything else that needs direct rendering/3d/etc. |
| 09:29 |
celeron55 |
Calinou: and the most important, shaders |
| 09:29 |
celeron55 |
on such an old card shaders will make everything like 5x slower |
| 09:30 |
Calinou |
these are 5× slower on anything :P |
| 09:30 |
celeron55 |
not really, someone told they have a GPU on which shaders run faster than non-shaders for MT |
| 09:30 |
celeron55 |
darkrose i think |
| 09:31 |
Calinou |
not for me at least |
| 09:31 |
Calinou |
but shaders look much better |
| 09:31 |
celeron55 |
it was some of ATI's first card that was designed for heavy shaders 8) |
| 09:31 |
Calinou |
I do get more FPS with shaders on xonotic |
| 09:31 |
Calinou |
AMD is better with heavy opengl, nv is better with lightweight opengl most of the time |
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| 09:32 |
nashi |
allo. |
| 09:32 |
Taoki |
hi :) |
| 09:32 |
[0gb_us] |
Hello. |
| 09:32 |
nashi |
Im friends with Taoki but I live in the usa. |
| 09:33 |
* [0gb_us] |
is slightly dyslexic, and read that as "I live in the sea" at first |
| 09:33 |
Taoki |
Yis. I was helping nashi setup MT on a laptop, but it seems to run at only 1FPS |
| 09:34 |
nashi |
I have many computers from 386 to 6 core thuban 3.4ghz with hd6800, I am interested in minetest but cannot program, only hardware expert. I am wondering if anyone knows the exact requirements for minetest I would like to know, if not maybe I can help establish them |
| 09:34 |
nashi |
sorry [0gb_us] |
| 09:34 |
mauvebic |
dyslexic, is that the same as reading anagrams of whats really there? |
| 09:34 |
[0gb_us] |
No worries. Not your fault. Plus, I found it amusing. |
| 09:35 |
mauvebic |
or is that rather aphasic |
| 09:35 |
Calinou |
if you're talking about recent hardware: a celeron and its IGP will play minetest fine, even in 1920×1080 but without shaders |
| 09:35 |
nashi |
im badly disabled so I have an old used ibm x41 tablet pc Im just getting working, apparently minetest does not like the intel gma915gc video in this. |
| 09:35 |
Calinou |
with shaders, an A10-5800K should be fine |
| 09:35 |
nashi |
Calinou: you might have missed where I said I own everything from a 386 on up... |
| 09:35 |
[0gb_us] |
Sometimes I rearrange words, other times, letters. Other times I add or remove words. |
| 09:35 |
Calinou |
"recent hardware" I said ;) |
| 09:35 |
nashi |
[0gb_us]: dyslexic too, and yeah it just messes with lettering arrangements. |
| 09:36 |
VanessaE |
for me, shaders cost me about 5 fps. |
| 09:36 |
nashi |
Calinou: everyone's opinion of what that term means is...different. |
| 09:36 |
nashi |
and no, not all celerons will play minetest fine. I have a celeron 266 here that I bet wont :) |
| 09:36 |
Calinou |
more like 40 for me but I'm still above 60 |
| 09:37 |
Calinou |
nashi: a G1610 is better than a C2D E8400 by the way :P |
| 09:37 |
[0gb_us] |
Hmm. Should I buy gear for my (RPG) team, or duke it out with monsters with what I already have? |
| 09:37 |
nashi |
Calinou: G1610 is that one of the new trinity APUs? or something else? |
| 09:37 |
Calinou |
it's intel |
| 09:37 |
Calinou |
APUs are named Ax-yyyy(K) |
| 09:37 |
nashi |
I cant remember them all ;) |
| 09:38 |
nashi |
ah yeah forgot that. |
| 09:38 |
Calinou |
A4/A6 are dual core (one module), A8 and A10 quad core (two modules) |
| 09:38 |
Taoki |
Calinou: She collects old hardware as well as new one :) But generally, I remember Intel video cards tend to have issues with 3D stuff |
| 09:38 |
nashi |
I just cant remember what the g1610 is |
| 09:38 |
Taoki |
MineTest is a good case cuz everyone talks about it running on some of the oldest hardware |
| 09:38 |
nashi |
oldest? |
| 09:39 |
Calinou |
these work fine today, for lightweight gaming |
| 09:39 |
Taoki |
Well, much older |
| 09:39 |
[0gb_us] |
I'm'a just go with what we have. |
| 09:39 |
nashi |
I should get an 8088 or a z80 and see if it works tango_ xD |
| 09:39 |
Calinou |
nashi: ivy bridge celeron, the "worst" one |
| 09:39 |
nashi |
dont say oldest or much older hon |
| 09:39 |
Calinou |
intel asks you 10 additional euros for every 100mhz :P |
| 09:39 |
nashi |
Calinou: ahhhhh IB. |
| 09:39 |
Calinou |
and 30 in the high end range |
| 09:39 |
nashi |
er Taoki |
| 09:39 |
Calinou |
this is how the 2700K has 3% additional perf but 10% higher price than a 2600K |
| 09:39 |
Taoki |
yes |
| 09:40 |
nashi |
yeah Calinou thats why I have a thuban 6 core @ 3.4ghz for my main and newest pc. newest tech to feature full real cores for all cores. |
| 09:40 |
nashi |
this will last me a few more years then Ill decide what to do. |
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| 09:41 |
Taoki |
niice |
| 09:41 |
* Taoki |
still has a 4 core - 8 thread 2.6ghz CPU. Though it runs at 2.8 |
| 09:41 |
nashi |
Taoki: dont be silly, I know you have the i7 920 |
| 09:41 |
Taoki |
yeah :) |
| 09:42 |
nashi |
you just need a better HSF then you can get 3ghz+ easy |
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| 09:42 |
Calinou |
thuban? wtf is that |
| 09:42 |
nashi |
as I told you when you got it, 92mm heatpipe wasnt enough |
| 09:42 |
Calinou |
overclocking, lol |
| 09:42 |
nashi |
Calinou: the core for the 6 core phenom II |
| 09:42 |
Calinou |
can't boot at 3900mhz on a 2600K |
| 09:42 |
nashi |
core name** |
| 09:43 |
mauvebic |
all this algebra lol think ill hit the hay :p |
| 09:43 |
mauvebic |
nite |
| 09:43 |
nashi |
night |
| 09:43 |
Taoki |
night |
| 09:43 |
Calinou |
day |
| 09:43 |
nashi |
I think I like you Calinou :) |
| 09:43 |
[0gb_us] |
Good night, |
| 09:44 |
nashi |
but yeah the thuban is the last core made for socket AM3 though I have it in a high end AM3+ mobo |
| 09:45 |
Taoki |
Calinou is the only MT user I know who's also a "coleague" in Xonotic :) |
| 09:45 |
nashi |
oh neat |
| 09:45 |
celeron55 |
wtf |
| 09:45 |
nashi |
hi celeron55 |
| 09:45 |
Taoki |
hi hi |
| 09:45 |
celeron55 |
well hello i guess |
| 09:46 |
nashi |
why wtf did I do something wrong or something? >.< |
| 09:46 |
Taoki |
celeron55: We're trying to figure out why MT worls at only 1fps on nashi's laptop |
| 09:46 |
Taoki |
**works |
| 09:46 |
nashi |
it's because it's a gma915gc trying to run opengl, really.... |
| 09:46 |
* Taoki |
nods |
| 09:47 |
celeron55 |
my mom hates my collection of random crap computers, maybe i can refer to nashi from now on 8D |
| 09:47 |
nashi |
lol |
| 09:47 |
* nashi |
breathes a sigh of relief |
| 09:47 |
nashi |
mine arent crap, to me anyways |
| 09:47 |
Taoki |
nashi: BTW, if you're on Windows it also supports Direct 3D. Need to edit the config file to switch to it, but last time I tried it it worked |
| 09:48 |
Taoki |
Yeah, old hardware can be fun to keep around and still test and use sometimes |
| 09:48 |
nashi |
that may actually make it runnable, if I know the old intel gma cards |
| 09:48 |
Taoki |
Ok. I'll look for the setting |
| 09:48 |
celeron55 |
my first question is that why would anyone hate themselves enough to run windows 7 on a computer with gma915 |
| 09:48 |
celeron55 |
it must be painful |
| 09:49 |
Taoki |
# Possible values: null, software, burningsvideo, direct3d8, direct3d9, opengl |
| 09:49 |
Taoki |
#video_driver = opengl |
| 09:49 |
nashi |
celeron55: http://foxtecha.com/pics/comps/fuzzy/scsi-makeover/IMG_0174-t.jpg my custom made all scsi 386 dx 40MHz |
| 09:49 |
nashi |
actually no its very snappy for basic tasks, celeron55 |
| 09:49 |
[0gb_us] |
Better question. Why would anyone hate themselves enough to run Windows? |
| 09:49 |
Taoki |
nashi: Open minetest.conf from user settings and try the line video_driver = direct3d8 or direct3d9 |
| 09:49 |
nashi |
the latest ESR of firefox with all my plugins runs great, and I use over 20 |
| 09:50 |
nashi |
um [0gb_us] lets just say that linux and I dont get along, even though ive messed with it since redhat 5.2 and used to be a freeBSD fangirl from v5 to v7 |
| 09:50 |
nashi |
even for the most basic tasks, it just pukes up errors and crashes and hardlocks for me. on known good hardware iwth known good drivers. and im sick of it. |
| 09:51 |
[0gb_us] |
Hmm. I see. Windows hates me, and Linux hates you. |
| 09:51 |
nashi |
I wish I could run linux, I try it every few months... but I just want stuff to work, and work well, and windows does that for me. |
| 09:52 |
nashi |
recently installed updated and configured win7 on my x41 tablet, take a look. http://foxtecha.com/pics/screenshots/x41-desktop-4.15.2003.jpg |
| 09:52 |
[0gb_us] |
That's why I use Linux. Windows never works well in my hands. |
| 09:52 |
nashi |
Ill put it this way. I had xmint first on this - xfce mint 14 x86 |
| 09:53 |
celeron55 |
that looks like my windowses back in 2004 |
| 09:53 |
Taoki |
I had luck with both Windows and Linux equally, though I do have modern hardware. Linux is slightly more buggy in general, but nothing I can't handle |
| 09:53 |
nashi |
it was actually working well for a change until I tried to copy some background images off of my core2 duo file server. |
| 09:53 |
nashi |
the transfer kept just.... stopping and hanging. |
| 09:53 |
nashi |
so I tried over gigabit instead of wifi. same thing. |
| 09:54 |
nashi |
I finally copied them over to my desktop from server and then onto a memstick. got them to this that way. |
| 09:54 |
* Taoki |
sorta wishes I didn't give away my old 486 years ago. I remember how the newest OS I could install on it was Windows 98 :P |
| 09:54 |
nashi |
then I tried to play some of my movie files..... |
| 09:54 |
nashi |
hardlock, crash, hang, blip.... |
| 09:54 |
nashi |
just the same every time ive ever tried linux. livecd, ubuntu, opensuse, fedora, you name it. |
| 09:55 |
nashi |
and its not like the hardware in this thinkpad or my other stuff is unusual. |
| 09:55 |
[0gb_us] |
Oh, what? My newest RPG team mate only is able to equip a pistol, which requires ammunition. And I have no idea where to refill. |
| 09:55 |
nashi |
then I install 7. takes a while to update but once its up and running its quite snappy. |
| 09:55 |
nashi |
ew |
| 09:55 |
Taoki |
nashi: For videos and mp3 songs, you need special codecs from the Packman repository. For most distros I think, due to legal issues... only Ubuntu includes them and takes the risk I heard. Still that shouldn't cause a crash, just a "codec not found" error |
| 09:55 |
nashi |
Taoki: I know this. |
| 09:56 |
* Taoki |
nods |
| 09:56 |
nashi |
I had the proper codecs. just some of my files linux HAAAAAAATES |
| 09:56 |
nashi |
its always files over the network linux chokes on for me. |
| 09:56 |
Taoki |
Maybe you can send me one of those files. I'm curious how my openSUSE will react |
| 09:56 |
nashi |
soon as I installed win7 though, copied over my 800mb of background images over wifiG |
| 09:56 |
nashi |
without a problem |
| 09:56 |
nashi |
ill have to boot xmint from my dvd or memstick to find one that does, then I will. ok hon? |
| 09:57 |
Taoki |
sure :) |
| 09:57 |
nashi |
remind me sometime. |
| 09:57 |
Taoki |
yeah |
| 09:57 |
celeron55 |
i haven't really had a single issue with the MATE version of mint 14 |
| 09:57 |
nashi |
I like xfce. but it happens with other WMs too. |
| 09:57 |
Taoki |
nashi: Anyway, let me know if adding direct3d to the config makes it work. I'm curious if that fixes it :) |
| 09:57 |
Taoki |
Minetest I mean |
| 09:57 |
nashi |
ok lemme edit the file |
| 09:58 |
[0gb_us] |
Mint is great, but MATE's menu doesn't accept additions. |
| 09:58 |
celeron55 |
but anyways, bad luck with linux hardware support is just that, no way around it |
| 09:58 |
Taoki |
Add video_driver = direct3d8 or video_driver = direct3d9 |
| 09:58 |
Taoki |
true |
| 09:58 |
nashi |
these are intel and broadcom parts. its not linux hardware support. its the software crunching and burning on the files I use. |
| 09:58 |
Calinou |
celeron55 uses a beginner-friendly distro O_o |
| 09:58 |
[0gb_us] |
Also in Mint, I can't adjust my monitor's brightness. I can in Ubuntu. |
| 09:59 |
nashi |
erm Taoki this is a directx7 gpu |
| 09:59 |
Calinou |
nashi: broadcom isn't known for their linux support; intel is, however |
| 09:59 |
Calinou |
this doesn't clean them of their anticompetitive stuff |
| 09:59 |
Calinou |
they're worse than MS actually |
| 09:59 |
celeron55 |
Calinou: if i need a computer just to get some work done, yes, that's what i do |
| 09:59 |
nashi |
why would you use the os to change monitor brightness O.o |
| 09:59 |
Taoki |
That's what I consider the biggest Linux issue at this day; Some hardware isn't properly supported yet. Windows always supports anything you plug into it (from what I know at least). On the bright side, Linux usually runs what it does support out of the box, no other drivers needed |
| 09:59 |
Taoki |
nashi: Ok. Try d3d8 and 9 still, maybe it will work |
| 09:59 |
nashi |
and Calinou the intel abg locks on the same files the broadcom does too. I also have a usb realtek and it locks on them too |
| 09:59 |
Taoki |
And automatically detect 7, don't know how the code there is done |
| 10:00 |
[0gb_us] |
My monitor has no buttons for brightness control, it's a laptop. |
| 10:00 |
Calinou |
Taoki: choose your HW properly and it'll work |
| 10:00 |
celeron55 |
dealing with dx7 is irrlicht's issue |
| 10:00 |
Calinou |
nobody is responsible for poor computer choices (99% of them sadly) |
| 10:00 |
celeron55 |
dunno if it does it or how it does it |
| 10:00 |
Taoki |
Calinou: Yeah. For Lnux you need to check that what you buy is compatible first, to be safe |
| 10:00 |
[0gb_us] |
And the function keys for brightness don't work in Mint. |
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| 10:00 |
[0gb_us] |
Hello! |
| 10:00 |
Calinou |
since when function keys are useful? |
| 10:00 |
Calinou |
echo "0" > /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness |
| 10:00 |
nashi |
[0gb_us]: oh you have one of those poor man laptops without hardware controls |
| 10:00 |
[0gb_us] |
I use the function keys to adjust brightness. |
| 10:00 |
Calinou |
they work for me on my netbook by the way |
| 10:01 |
Calinou |
fn+f5 and fn+f6 |
| 10:01 |
nashi |
yes on good laptops those are hardware not software controlled |
| 10:01 |
Taoki |
Hi PilzAdam |
| 10:01 |
[0gb_us] |
What am I supposed to use? |
| 10:01 |
VanessaE |
morning, PilzAdam |
| 10:01 |
PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
| 10:01 |
Taoki |
PilzAdam is another one of the main devs nashi, I solve many of my codes with him :) |
| 10:01 |
nashi |
[0gb_us]: im talking about the way the controls work in the laptop, silly. software based controls are a cheezy shortcut inexpensive laptop makers use |
| 10:01 |
celeron55 |
nashi: many that seem like "hardware controls" loop things through ACPI or something else |
| 10:02 |
[0gb_us] |
Ah. Well, I haveno money, so it seems fitting. |
| 10:02 |
celeron55 |
that's a painful thruth you'll find out when trying linux on things |
| 10:02 |
nashi |
celeron55: ive worked with laptops back as old as 486sx 25.... |
| 10:02 |
PilzAdam |
2/5 Abitur exams done! |
| 10:02 |
VanessaE |
nashi: which means, PilzAdam causes many problems that Taoki has to try to help solve ;-) |
| 10:02 |
nashi |
and hi PilzAdam :) |
| 10:02 |
* VanessaE |
hides from PilzAdam |
| 10:02 |
nashi |
LOL VanessaE |
| 10:02 |
Taoki |
hehe |
| 10:03 |
celeron55 |
nashi: old laptops tend to have more hardware stuff |
| 10:03 |
nashi |
ok the conf.example is the correct one or do I rename it .conf and put it in the root or is it somewhere else? |
| 10:03 |
Calinou |
[0gb_us]: people have money in 2013? |
| 10:03 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: Ugh... school stuff? I don't envy you one bit. |
| 10:03 |
nashi |
celeron55: not all of them. :) |
| 10:03 |
Calinou |
minetest.conf.example is not a requirement at all |
| 10:03 |
Taoki |
nashi: Example.conf lists the settings. The file you must edit is in userdata/.minetest |
| 10:03 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, its easy |
| 10:03 |
Calinou |
just take some settings, paste them in minetest.conf without the # AFTER starting and exiting minetest |
| 10:03 |
Taoki |
On windows it mught just be user/.../minetest |
| 10:03 |
nashi |
Taoki: yeah theres just an .conf.example there |
| 10:03 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: *looks in purse* yeah, I have five cents here... wait, there's a dime... |
| 10:03 |
Calinou |
then start and quit the game |
| 10:03 |
nashi |
so ill copy it to .conf and edit it |
| 10:04 |
[0gb_us] |
Don't worry, he can't get you. Where are you, anyway? He's all the way over in Germany. |
| 10:04 |
Taoki |
Yeahm the .example files aren't counted |
| 10:04 |
celeron55 |
if you run minetest once, it will create minetest.conf to where it belongs |
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| 10:04 |
nashi |
then its not in the root of where I extracted it to >.> |
| 10:04 |
nashi |
gawd I hate it when games dont keep their conf files where I put the game.... |
| 10:04 |
* nashi |
goes searching |
| 10:05 |
celeron55 |
minetest does so |
| 10:05 |
Taoki |
nashi: It might be in C:/Users/.../minetest (or in documents). I do prefer when the config is in the root folder tho |
| 10:05 |
celeron55 |
maybe it crashed or something, in that case it won't create it 8) |
| 10:05 |
Taoki |
IIRC Minetest has a run in place setting, but that's speciified at compile time |
| 10:05 |
nashi |
it didnt, theres no .conf in c:\games\minetest\ |
| 10:05 |
Taoki |
Hmm |
| 10:06 |
Calinou |
suggestion for common: on sandstone, use one texture for side, one for top and one for bottom |
| 10:07 |
[0gb_us] |
Why? |
| 10:07 |
Taoki |
Yeah. MC does it like that, I think it's a bit prettier |
| 10:07 |
VanessaE |
why? |
| 10:07 |
Taoki |
It's more styled I think |
| 10:07 |
* [0gb_us] |
mutters about more copying of Minecraft |
| 10:07 |
celeron55 |
the official minetest zips are a run-in-place build |
| 10:07 |
celeron55 |
dunno about rubenwardy's installer |
| 10:07 |
nashi |
real sandstone looks different on the top, the sides, and the bottom. *shrug* |
| 10:07 |
nashi |
celeron55: I got the latest mc zip, next to the beta installer which I did not get. |
| 10:07 |
PilzAdam |
nashi, in the real voxel world? |
| 10:08 |
Calinou |
stop being so mut (:D) about that, [0gb_us] |
| 10:08 |
nashi |
PilzAdam: what does a car company have to do with.... ;) |
| 10:08 |
Calinou |
we should copy MC and improve it |
| 10:08 |
Calinou |
not "differ from it because we're FOSS" |
| 10:08 |
Taoki |
nah. There is a Minecraft mod for Minetest still |
| 10:08 |
Calinou |
copy MC as in, the not-annoying features |
| 10:08 |
nashi |
yeah searched my whole hdd, no minetest.conf at all |
| 10:08 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: that's what Minitest is supposed to be. |
| 10:08 |
[0gb_us] |
It's not like I care any more, but "Minecraft does it" is not a valid excuse for you Minetesters to do it. |
| 10:08 |
Taoki |
Right. Take what's good from it |
| 10:08 |
Calinou |
depends on whether you want to kill minecraft's sales :) |
| 10:09 |
Taoki |
[0gb_us]: Yeah. Only get the good things from MC |
| 10:09 |
Taoki |
As in ideas |
| 10:09 |
Calinou |
gtg |
| 10:09 |
Taoki |
later |
| 10:09 |
nashi |
yeah dont build this in java PLEEEEASE |
| 10:09 |
Taoki |
MineTest will never be in java/ C++, Irrlicht engine and Lua |
| 10:10 |
VanessaE |
java? bite your tongue. |
| 10:10 |
Taoki |
**it is in C++ Irrlicht and Lua |
| 10:10 |
Taoki |
Yeah. Java is only good cuz it runs in browser, MineCraft is the only case I know of it running 3D |
| 10:10 |
nashi |
ok. there is no minetest.conf in my entire hdd, and I did run it with UAC turned off, and I did run the run in place version, and I did run it in a location outside of program files directory. |
| 10:10 |
celeron55 |
lol, porting 50k lines of C++ to Java wouldn't make any sense |
| 10:10 |
nashi |
it also did not crash, I exited it normally. |
| 10:11 |
Taoki |
Strange then |
| 10:11 |
celeron55 |
just create it then, to the same directory as where the .example is |
| 10:11 |
PilzAdam |
is Lua embedable into Java? |
| 10:11 |
nashi |
doing so now celeron55 |
| 10:11 |
celeron55 |
PilzAdam: of course it is |
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| 10:12 |
Taoki |
nashi: Just to be sure it's not a permission thing, try right click and "Run as admin". Just if it didn't come to mind... in some rare cases that solved things for me |
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| 10:12 |
nashi |
Taoki: I have UAC off. my account *IS* an admin. |
| 10:12 |
Taoki |
oh ok |
| 10:12 |
nashi |
Ive gotten tired of those headaches long ago and fixed it. |
| 10:12 |
Taoki |
Yes, create minetest.conf manually then, should work |
| 10:12 |
* Taoki |
nods |
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| 10:13 |
nashi |
blug... stupid default notepad. downloading notepad2, f/oss which reads linux text files without cr/lf properly |
| 10:14 |
Taoki |
Oh... on a separate note. I've been thinking about trying to code support for colored light sources, so items which cast light can be given a color for that light in the Lua API. Would that be an ok thing to try making? |
| 10:14 |
celeron55 |
it's ridiculous that even w7's notepad doesn't understand \n |
| 10:14 |
Taoki |
Unrelated to the ahrdware lighting discusssion, don't think I know enough to go that far :P |
| 10:14 |
VanessaE |
YES! |
| 10:15 |
Taoki |
Someone did that long ago (before Lua was even added) but didn't post the code. It looked awesome in MineTest |
| 10:15 |
nashi |
thats microsoft saying snootynose to linux and trying to get people that dont know any better to think linux breaks text files. stupid and aggrivating. |
| 10:15 |
Taoki |
Ok :) I'll see if I can look into that today. Hopefully I can manage to do it |
| 10:15 |
[0gb_us] |
I see. That's as underhanded as ever, Microsoft. |
| 10:15 |
Taoki |
Issue is there's one value for light intensity being stored now, and this would mean storing 3. Need to see how I can do that without breaking the existing setup either |
| 10:16 |
celeron55 |
well it's the same as what they did with their new "open" office document format; it's just for breaking things |
| 10:16 |
Taoki |
Finished what I had in mind for the Structure I/O and Mapgen mod, so maybe I can work on that some |
| 10:17 |
[0gb_us] |
Yeah. So many broken standards ... |
| 10:17 |
celeron55 |
nobody benefits at all |
| 10:17 |
Taoki |
celeron55: Something I'm confused about. You said minetest.conf is in the root folder by default. But when compiling from GIT with default cmake options, the config is in /home/username/.minetest |
| 10:18 |
Taoki |
Is it only default for release builds? |
| 10:18 |
Taoki |
Or maybe only a Linux thing |
| 10:18 |
nashi |
they do. more sales. thats what they are here for. which gets into politics - discussion of why an absolute (profit based society like USA) is a bad thing |
| 10:18 |
nashi |
I forgot the name. sorry, ive got a neurological disorder |
| 10:20 |
celeron55 |
Taoki: default options have RUN_IN_PLACE=0 |
| 10:20 |
celeron55 |
except that for windows it's 1 |
| 10:22 |
nashi |
yyyeah still unplayable but its actually faster. |
| 10:23 |
nashi |
erm |
| 10:23 |
nashi |
ok, in the titlebar it still says opengl 1.1.0 |
| 10:23 |
nashi |
but it made me re-set all my customized keybindings.... |
| 10:24 |
Taoki |
It's likely running direct3d if you set that. Someone should fix the titlebar in that case |
| 10:24 |
nashi |
so no its not reading the minetest.conf in the root of the minetest directory |
| 10:26 |
celeron55 |
Taoki: the title is given by irrlicht |
| 10:26 |
Taoki |
ah, ok |
| 10:26 |
celeron55 |
nashi: which package of MT are you using |
| 10:26 |
nashi |
minete3st ver-0.4.6 run in place =1 by the esc screen |
| 10:27 |
nashi |
1fps looking down at water :p |
| 10:27 |
celeron55 |
well then that's just odd |
| 10:27 |
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| 10:28 |
nashi |
the reason im using this tablet is that im basically housebound and sometimes bedridden. cant always even sit up, severe pain. ive got a bunch of very bad health issues including a terminal degenerative neurological one. |
| 10:29 |
nashi |
hey celeron55 would the path_user be where it tries to read the minetest.conf from? that's bin/ and I can put the conf there to try |
| 10:30 |
Taoki |
From what I remember myself yes, but can't tell for sure |
| 10:30 |
nashi |
Taoki: I asked celeron not you |
| 10:30 |
PilzAdam |
path_user is the minetest folder in run_in_place=1 |
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| 10:30 |
nashi |
so will it only access the minetest.conf from that directory and not the root minetest one one level up? |
| 10:31 |
PilzAdam |
(so its minetest/bin/../) |
| 10:31 |
nashi |
sort of. to be specific... |
| 10:31 |
nashi |
C:\games\minetest-0.4.6 |
| 10:32 |
PilzAdam |
then put minetest.conf into C:/games/minetest-0.4.6/minetest.conf |
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| 10:32 |
nashi |
thats where we are having the problem of it not reading from! |
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| 10:33 |
Taoki |
nashi: Another idea if I may. After restarting minetest, check that the settings you disabled (3D clouds, opaque water, etc) stayed disabled. If they did, a minetest.conf was generated somewhere somehow |
| 10:33 |
nashi |
trying now |
| 10:33 |
Taoki |
Since that's where any change is stored |
| 10:33 |
nashi |
yes, are saved. |
| 10:33 |
nashi |
erm |
| 10:33 |
Taoki |
ok. There must be a minetest.conf somewhere then. |
| 10:33 |
nashi |
yeah its still in opengl |
| 10:34 |
nashi |
Irrlicht Engine version 1.8.0 |
| 10:34 |
nashi |
Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate Edition Service Pack 1 (Build 7601) |
| 10:34 |
nashi |
Using renderer: OpenGL 1.1.0 |
| 10:34 |
nashi |
GDI Generic: Microsoft Corporation |
| 10:34 |
nashi |
OpenGL driver version is not 1.2 or better. |
| 10:34 |
nashi |
Failed to load OpenGL's multitexture extension, proceeding without. |
| 10:34 |
nashi |
Warning: OpenGL device only has one texture unit. Disabling multitexturing. |
| 10:34 |
nashi |
GLSL not available. |
| 10:34 |
nashi |
Resizing window (800 600) |
| 10:34 |
nashi |
Loaded texture: C:/games/minetest-0.4.6/textures/base/pack/menuheader.png |
| 10:34 |
Taoki |
If they are persisted a minetest.conf exists and it's the one being used. But in a location that's very hard to find |
| 10:35 |
Taoki |
I think I remember something. The path might be C:/Users/Username/.minetest, but .minetest might be marked a hidden folder. I don't remember well since last time I used Windows 7 |
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| 10:35 |
nashi |
I turn on hidden show hon |
| 10:35 |
Taoki |
ok. It's really strange then |
| 10:36 |
Taoki |
A minetest.conf exists somewhere for sure, otherwise no setting would be persisted. But where could it be hidden so badly :P |
| 10:36 |
ruskie |
it's probably %appdata% |
| 10:36 |
nashi |
no kidding |
| 10:36 |
nashi |
im in there right now ruskie |
| 10:36 |
nashi |
its not there. |
| 10:36 |
ruskie |
did you check under roaming/local/and there's some other? |
| 10:37 |
nashi |
yes, I did. |
| 10:37 |
Taoki |
really odd, and makes no sense |
| 10:40 |
nashi |
yeah its not reading that minetest.conf its still got WASD for the binds, I rebound to arrows |
| 10:43 |
Taoki |
celeron55: Does Minetest print the path to the user folder at startup in any circumstance, if you run it from a console? |
| 10:43 |
Taoki |
Like where it reads the conf from |
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| 10:43 |
Taoki |
Actually I'll check that |
| 10:43 |
PilzAdam |
bin/minetest --verbose |
| 10:44 |
PilzAdam |
12:43:37: INFO[main]: Using relative paths (RUN_IN_PLACE) |
| 10:44 |
PilzAdam |
12:43:37: INFO[main]: path_share = /home/adam/Minetest/minetest/bin/.. |
| 10:44 |
PilzAdam |
12:43:37: INFO[main]: path_user = /home/adam/Minetest/minetest/bin/.. |
| 10:44 |
Taoki |
Ah, found a log line that's useful once I load my world: 13:42:40: ACTION[main]: World at [/home/mircea/.minetest/worlds/Mircea] |
| 10:44 |
Taoki |
It prints where you loaded the world from. The minetest.conf is likely stored in the same location where worlds are |
| 10:45 |
PilzAdam |
Taoki, use --verbose |
| 10:45 |
Taoki |
nashi: Try running it from a console and see where the line "ACTION[main]: World at" points to. And --verbose like PilzAdam suggested |
| 10:45 |
Taoki |
**With --verbose |
| 10:45 |
Taoki |
yeah |
| 10:46 |
Taoki |
With --verbose it's even better |
| 10:46 |
Taoki |
13:44:37: INFO[main]: logfile = /home/mircea/.minetest/debug.txt |
| 10:46 |
Taoki |
That indicates the path too |
| 10:46 |
nashi |
erm.... |
| 10:47 |
nashi |
it looks like the base dir is worlds directory |
| 10:48 |
Taoki |
Is debug.txt there too? |
| 10:49 |
Taoki |
As well as a "cache" folder |
| 10:49 |
nashi |
no. freaky. |
| 10:49 |
Taoki |
Indeed |
| 10:50 |
PilzAdam |
... you know that path_share and path_user are actually printed to the console with --verbose? |
| 10:50 |
Taoki |
oh, I'll check that |
| 10:50 |
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| 10:51 |
Taoki |
Eh, for me it says 13:49:32: INFO[main]: Using system-wide paths (NOT RUN_IN_PLACE) |
| 10:51 |
nashi |
yes its showing that PilzAdam but its not using them. |
| 10:51 |
nashi |
the minetest.conf in that directory is most definitely not is what is being used. |
| 10:51 |
PilzAdam |
Taoki, read 2 lines further |
| 10:51 |
Taoki |
yes, it's showing those too, sorry |
| 10:52 |
PilzAdam |
nashi, run it with --config path/to/minetest.conf |
| 10:52 |
nashi |
k |
| 10:53 |
Taoki |
right. That can help until the mystery is solved (if it can be) |
| 10:54 |
nashi |
PilzAdam: ok... it has my modified keybinds, which arent in that minetest.conf! |
| 10:55 |
nashi |
this is just infuriating. |
| 10:55 |
celeron55 |
well what the fuck |
| 10:55 |
Taoki |
really strange.. |
| 10:56 |
Taoki |
Can't think of anything, never had such happening in my case :/ |
| 10:56 |
nashi |
its still trying to use opengl renderer |
| 10:56 |
nashi |
so its not using the minetest.conf I just told it to |
| 10:56 |
nashi |
that command line switch isnt doing a damn thing. |
| 10:57 |
celeron55 |
if you give it --config, it should either load that config or just fail immediatley |
| 10:57 |
celeron55 |
immediately* |
| 10:57 |
PilzAdam |
nashi, you are doing something wrong |
| 10:57 |
nashi |
dont try that shit on me. lemme give you a screenshot to prove it. |
| 10:57 |
PilzAdam |
nashi, do you have a # at the beginning of your settings in minetest.conf? |
| 10:58 |
VanessaE |
(2 minutes later: <nashi> um...well wait a sec here...) |
| 10:58 |
VanessaE |
;) |
| 10:58 |
nashi |
VanessaE: nope. |
| 10:59 |
celeron55 |
the chances of this happening as it is described are so close to zero that i don't really even believe it now |
| 10:59 |
nashi |
this is too damn slow to try to get them all rnning in windows and arranged. lemme get this on my desktop for the screenshot. |
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| 10:59 |
Taoki |
celeron55: Something strange is happening somehow |
| 11:00 |
Taoki |
In the code or with the paths |
| 11:00 |
celeron55 |
the way --config is handled is so simple that it can't fail to do what it's asked to |
| 11:01 |
Taoki |
Yeah, makes the problem even weirder. Trying to think if something in the system could cause paths to fail, etc |
| 11:01 |
nashi |
unless its programmed wrong so that the underlying engine is mucking it up in the os. |
| 11:02 |
PilzAdam |
nashi, please paste your minetest.conf you are trying to load |
| 11:03 |
Taoki |
Just tested. If the path is wrong in --config parameter, it won't start up at all |
| 11:03 |
nashi |
give me a moment, setting up and installing minetest on desktop |
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| 11:04 |
nashi |
yep I set things up after using --config file and it resets them. |
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| 11:04 |
Taoki |
Awesome! It means it's using the specified one at last |
| 11:04 |
nashi |
one sec PilzAdam |
| 11:04 |
nashi |
no it doesnt tango_ |
| 11:04 |
nashi |
er Taoki |
| 11:04 |
Taoki |
ok |
| 11:05 |
Taoki |
I need to go eat, will be away for a few minutes if that's ok |
| 11:05 |
Taoki |
Hope all goes well ^^ |
| 11:05 |
[0gb_us] |
Are you editing the conf while Minetest is running? |
| 11:05 |
[0gb_us] |
You have to shut down Minetest before editing the conf. |
| 11:06 |
nashi |
http://foxtecha.com/files/minetest.conf |
| 11:06 |
nashi |
I do shut it down [0gb_us] |
| 11:07 |
nashi |
im not.... that kind of special person. :) |
| 11:07 |
[0gb_us] |
Okay, darn. |
| 11:07 |
[0gb_us] |
I thought I had an easy solution! ☺ |
| 11:07 |
nashi |
ill put it this way, I cant wrap my head around opject oriented coding, but I taught myself TRSDOS for the TRS-80, apple BASIC, and microsoft QBASIC back when it was in DOS 6 |
| 11:08 |
PilzAdam |
nashi, are you fucking kidding me? |
| 11:08 |
nashi |
excuse me? |
| 11:08 |
PilzAdam |
you _have_ a # at the beginning of the driver setting line |
| 11:08 |
PilzAdam |
the # comments the line out, so its ignored |
| 11:08 |
nashi |
no, *I* do not. the entire file does by default. and half the programs ive edited settings for have that sort of thing required. |
| 11:08 |
PilzAdam |
the correct line would be "video_driver = direct3d8" and not "#video_driver = direct3d8" |
| 11:08 |
nashi |
I learned that many moons ago when removing those for several programs. |
| 11:09 |
PilzAdam |
just remove the # |
| 11:09 |
nashi |
so how am I supposed to somehow instinctively know which to do for your very special program? |
| 11:09 |
celeron55 |
maybe read the text at the of that file |
| 11:09 |
celeron55 |
top* |
| 11:09 |
PilzAdam |
I asked you if you have it there |
| 11:09 |
ruskie |
nashi, # is generally a comment in a lot of configs and a few languages as well |
| 11:10 |
nashi |
how about you look at what ive said so far, im extremely disabled, everything hurts, and I have advanced neurological effing problems. it hurts like hell to type it hurts like hell to do anything, and im trying to hold my mind together to do simple things that used to be so easy to me. |
| 11:10 |
nashi |
so give me a little damn slack, ok? |
| 11:11 |
celeron55 |
no |
| 11:11 |
nashi |
80% of people die by the time they reach year 10 of multiple system atrophy and im in year 12. those remaining people are usually in effing nursing homes. docs tell me they dont know how im still alive |
| 11:11 |
nashi |
so shove it up your ass about YOU not telling me that had to be removed. |
| 11:12 |
celeron55 |
lol |
| 11:12 |
PilzAdam |
I knew it |
| 11:12 |
celeron55 |
this is just ridiculous |
| 11:13 |
celeron55 |
she types quite a lot considering it hurts so much |
| 11:14 |
VanessaE |
jeez |
| 11:14 |
celeron55 |
i'd guess reading the top of minetest.conf.example would be slightly easier than typing that wall of text anyways |
| 11:15 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, youre up late |
| 11:15 |
Jordach |
or maybe, youve woke up early like me |
| 11:15 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: yeah. no sleep tonight :-/ |
| 11:15 |
VanessaE |
insomnia sucks. |
| 11:16 |
sfan5 |
fuck! virtualbox crashed again |
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| 11:19 |
sfan5[Mac] |
....now back to work |
| 11:20 |
VanessaE |
show that program who's boss :) |
| 11:21 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, he's using a MAC! KILL HIM! |
| 11:21 |
celeron55 |
who needs OSX anyway 8) |
| 11:21 |
sfan5[Mac] |
iphone app developers... |
| 11:21 |
[0gb_us] |
At least OS X is better than that piece of trash, Windows. |
| 11:21 |
sfan5[Mac] |
yeah |
| 11:21 |
VanessaE |
what's wrong with mac, aside from being Apple? :) |
| 11:21 |
Jordach |
Minetest App? |
| 11:21 |
sfan5[Mac] |
Jordach: i'm compiling irrlicht |
| 11:21 |
celeron55 |
who needs iphone :P |
| 11:21 |
Jordach |
\O/ |
| 11:21 |
Jordach |
celeron55, the bovine masses |
| 11:22 |
celeron55 |
lol |
| 11:22 |
Jordach |
who wouldnt mind a free game of Minetest |
| 11:22 |
Taoki |
back |
| 11:22 |
sfan5 |
THIS FUCKING VIRTUALBOX CRAP |
| 11:22 |
sfan5 |
*sigh* |
| 11:22 |
Taoki |
celeron55, PilzAdam: You could have responded better to her :/ You saw what she wrote about being disabled. She needed help with a problem which apparently was difficult to solve |
| 11:22 |
* Jordach |
hugs sfan5 |
| 11:23 |
sfan5 |
it can't compile irrlicht and run an irc client at the same tim |
| 11:23 |
sfan5 |
*time |
| 11:23 |
sfan5 |
atleast it somehow preserves the execution state of the processes |
| 11:23 |
sfan5 |
(when it crashes) |
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| 11:25 |
celeron55 |
Taoki: i guess her life is very hard if she goes around with that attitude |
| 11:25 |
sfan5[Mac] |
... |
| 11:25 |
celeron55 |
she could've just said she sucks and went on |
| 11:26 |
celeron55 |
that's what i'd have done |
| 11:26 |
Taoki |
I don't agree. But no need to go into a debate about it... |
| 11:27 |
Taoki |
She also mentioned that removing the # didn't fix it |
| 11:27 |
Jordach |
well. most people struggle with removing the simplest of drivers on windows these days. |
| 11:27 |
Jordach |
we need BETTER IT lessons globally. |
| 11:27 |
Taoki |
And she's (rightfully) upset for how you acted there. But again, no need to go into that... it doesn't help |
| 11:27 |
celeron55 |
if somebody needs some kind of special serving, that somebody should state it very clearly beforehand |
| 11:28 |
Taoki |
It's not what she meant. It's just that doing many things is very difficult and stressful for her. It's a lot different when you're in such a position |
| 11:28 |
celeron55 |
i won't go into guessing how i should behave on the internet based on some vague aside mentions of something like it didn't matter |
| 11:28 |
Taoki |
I know her for many years, and got to understand how that's like. Many people don't |
| 11:29 |
Jordach |
Taoki, celeron55 my school is like this everyday, shame i have to go there (fuck autism) and the annoyance of highest IQ |
| 11:30 |
Jordach |
(yes, im the most intelligent.) |
| 11:30 |
* Jordach |
watches Thunderbird fill my inbox with unred messages |
| 11:31 |
VanessaE |
celeron55: simple rule. "That which is hateful to you, don't do to another." |
| 11:31 |
celeron55 |
also, i didn't even say anything but "no" |
| 11:32 |
celeron55 |
go blame PilzAdam if you wish to blame someone |
| 11:32 |
Jordach |
i FEEL OLD http://c55.me/~celeron55/random/2012-03/screenshot_628953797.png |
| 11:32 |
Jordach |
I* |
| 11:32 |
* Taoki |
doesn't agree with how PilzAdam acted either |
| 11:32 |
celeron55 |
next time i'll not try to help anyone if they come here, apparently it makes people happier 8) |
| 11:32 |
VanessaE |
no blame being assigned, merely answering your statement of "how you should act". |
| 11:32 |
Jordach |
PilzAdam usually does give stick to everyone who dont agree with him |
| 11:33 |
Taoki |
Yeah, not trying to find blame either. It just feels wrong that some people wish to act in a certain way |
| 11:34 |
Jordach |
i've just caught up to LAST YEAR in unread email |
| 11:34 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: dayum. remind me never to try to contact you by email :) |
| 11:34 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, i read em |
| 11:35 |
celeron55 |
anyway, i respect PilzAdam for even daring to start questioning the # that nobody did |
| 11:35 |
Jordach |
but i use a gmail add-on so i can read it by right clicking it |
| 11:35 |
Jordach |
(but leaves it unread) |
| 11:35 |
celeron55 |
nashi should be thankful that PilzAdam doesn't have that much respect for her, otherwise the problem would've gone unnoticed |
| 11:35 |
VanessaE |
or someone else would have caught it. |
| 11:35 |
* Taoki |
prefers not to comment |
| 11:36 |
celeron55 |
but as i said, some people are best left unhelped |
| 11:36 |
Jordach |
yeah |
| 11:36 |
celeron55 |
for some reason |
| 11:36 |
* Jordach |
thinks minetest needs a help desk |
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| 11:38 |
sfan5[Mac] |
why? |
| 11:38 |
Jordach |
because we answer the SAME QUESTIONS DAY IN, DAY OUT |
| 11:39 |
ruskie |
wouldn't a FAQ be good enough?L |
| 11:40 |
Jordach |
ruskie, not everyone does the same thing |
| 11:40 |
Jordach |
most windows users run the game from the .zipball |
| 11:40 |
Jordach |
*which* doesnt work |
| 11:41 |
VanessaE |
and that's a question I did not see addressed in this ...discussion. |
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| 11:42 |
VanessaE |
ruskie: good luck getting anyone to *read* it. |
| 11:43 |
[0gb_us] |
So ... Maybe the Windows users should compile it? |
| 11:44 |
Jordach |
[0gb_us], nobody compiles on windows |
| 11:44 |
VanessaE |
hah! you seeing unicorns where you live, 0gb? :) |
| 11:44 |
[0gb_us] |
Maybe they should though. |
| 11:45 |
[0gb_us] |
No, I'm not on drugs or something, VanessaE. |
| 11:45 |
Jordach |
[0gb_us], nobody uses cmake on windows |
| 11:45 |
Jordach |
it doesnt work |
| 11:45 |
[0gb_us] |
Then quit using WIndows. Windows doesn't work either. |
| 11:46 |
Jordach |
[0gb_us], /ctcp jordach version |
| 11:46 |
sfan5 |
... |
| 11:46 |
* Jordach |
uses ubuntu |
| 11:46 |
[0gb_us] |
- Unknown command; see /help for the available commands |
| 11:46 |
VanessaE |
[0gb_us]: that much I can agree with :-) |
| 11:47 |
[0gb_us] |
I didn't mean you personally shouldn't use WIndows. |
| 11:47 |
[0gb_us] |
I mean in general. If the build isn't working, an building it themselves doesn't work on Windows ... |
| 11:47 |
Jordach |
>jordach< CTCP VERSION |
| 11:47 |
Jordach |
* Received a CTCP VERSION from Jordach |
| 11:47 |
Jordach |
-Jordach- VERSION xchat 2.8.8 Ubuntu |
| 11:47 |
markveidemanis |
Will irc mod work with minimal? |
| 11:48 |
Jordach |
markveidemanis, the source needs a changing for IRC mod |
| 11:48 |
Jordach |
READ THE FIRST FUCKING POST. |
| 11:48 |
[0gb_us] |
Yes it will, asside from the crash that has no error message. |
| 11:50 |
Jordach |
finally caught upto january 1st, 2013 |
| 11:50 |
Taoki |
celeron55, PilzAdam: Congrats. She deleted Minetest due to how the people who made it are like. Glad we know how to interact the community :/ |
| 11:51 |
[0gb_us] |
Meh. The game doesn't need players anyway. |
| 11:51 |
Jordach |
[0gb_us], probably right |
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| 11:51 |
Taoki |
I'm sorry that the main devs treat others this way, sorry to say it |
| 11:51 |
* Jordach |
is disliking the converted minecrappers |
| 11:51 |
* Jordach |
points the gun away from sfan5 |
| 11:51 |
[0gb_us] |
Yeah, they were bothersome. |
| 11:51 |
Jordach |
sfan5 is an exception |
| 11:52 |
PilzAdam |
Taoki, the way she talked to me and others in the channel made me act like this |
| 11:53 |
* Jordach |
was playing Mortal Kombat |
| 11:53 |
PilzAdam |
and I dont really care if she has physical problems, I cant really know that in IRC |
| 11:53 |
* Jordach |
has finally made it to 1st March 2013 |
| 11:54 |
Taoki |
PilzAdam: She felt people are being mean and prejudicious to her. She is a seensitive person, but I think others should know to be more careful and try explaining things better. |
| 11:54 |
Taoki |
Some don't really notice those things. Others can be easily affected by it |
| 11:54 |
* sfan5[Mac] |
had finally compiled Irrlicgt |
| 11:54 |
sfan5[Mac] |
*Irrlicht |
| 11:55 |
Jordach |
sfan5, Mac Maintainer |
| 11:55 |
sfan5[Mac] |
no,no |
| 11:55 |
sfan5[Mac] |
please no |
| 11:55 |
Jordach |
^ is going to hell |
| 11:56 |
markveidemanis |
118 |
| 11:56 |
markveidemanis |
Hmmmm... |
| 11:56 |
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| 11:56 |
Jordach |
0800 118 118 is the phone number for a telephone operator in the UK |
| 11:56 |
markveidemanis |
I guess it works... |
| 11:57 |
minetest-D1BC56E |
*** markveidemanis joined the game |
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minetest-D1BC56E |
*** markveidemanis left the game |
| 11:57 |
Jordach |
sfan5, kick minetest-D1BC56E |
| 11:58 |
markveidemanis |
Does this even work? |
| 11:58 |
Jordach |
<minetest-D1BC56E> *** markveidemanis joined the game |
| 11:58 |
Jordach |
<minetest-D1BC56E> *** markveidemanis left the game |
| 11:58 |
Jordach |
does THAT say anything |
| 11:58 |
|
minetest-D1BC56E was kicked by sfan5: no spammy bots |
| 11:58 |
markveidemanis |
Its not spammy! |
| 11:58 |
Jordach |
markveidemanis, dont make me join the server and just literally spam |
| 11:58 |
sfan5[Mac] |
it is |
| 11:58 |
markveidemanis |
ok, sorry |
| 11:58 |
Jordach |
because it would broadcast such |
| 11:59 |
markveidemanis |
It will be on #mtmt now |
| 11:59 |
markveidemanis |
channel is in init, right? |
| 12:00 |
Jordach |
naw shit |
| 12:00 |
Jordach |
go check |
| 12:03 |
Jordach |
emails finally clear |
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| 12:08 |
[0gb_us] |
The channel is in minetest.conf. |
| 12:08 |
[0gb_us] |
*The channel is set in minetest.conf. |
| 12:09 |
[0gb_us] |
If you have an up to date copy, anyway. |
| 12:09 |
markveidemanis |
with external_commands, can i use python to edit the file? |
| 12:09 |
[0gb_us] |
Not sure. |
| 12:09 |
Jordach |
NO |
| 12:09 |
Jordach |
python is a programming language, not a FUCKING TEXT EDITOR. |
| 12:10 |
* [0gb_us] |
used to use PHP as a text editor |
| 12:10 |
* sfan5[Mac] |
likesvim |
| 12:10 |
sfan5[Mac] |
*likes vim |
| 12:10 |
VanessaE |
nano ftw. :) |
| 12:10 |
* Jordach |
likes emacs |
| 12:10 |
markveidemanis |
PYTHON |
| 12:10 |
markveidemanis |
file.open |
| 12:10 |
Jordach |
^ knows nothing |
| 12:10 |
markveidemanis |
file.write |
| 12:11 |
* tripod |
eats vim |
| 12:11 |
markveidemanis |
file.write(line) |
| 12:11 |
sfan5[Mac] |
tripod: :( |
| 12:11 |
tripod |
because i love it so much sfan5[Mac] |
| 12:11 |
Jordach |
http://xkcd.com/378/ |
| 12:11 |
VanessaE |
markveidemanis: why would you want to write a file with python from inside a lua mod? |
| 12:11 |
* [0gb_us] |
will not participate in this text editor war |
| 12:12 |
markveidemanis |
It says use bas but i think it only matters that i edit it |
| 12:12 |
markveidemanis |
And i only know python |
| 12:12 |
VanessaE |
you're doing it wrong. If you need to write a file, from with Lua, do it with Lua code, not an external command. |
| 12:14 |
markveidemanis |
Theres no harm in trying |
| 12:14 |
VanessaE |
yes there is. |
| 12:14 |
VanessaE |
you are overcomplicating the matter. |
| 12:14 |
[0gb_us] |
It makes the code harder to maintain. |
| 12:15 |
VanessaE |
and you make the assumption that the user will have python installed. |
| 12:15 |
[0gb_us] |
OH! That too. |
| 12:15 |
VanessaE |
why should they need two interpreted languages to do what the outer one (Lua) can do on its own? |
| 12:19 |
markveidemanis |
IT WORKS |
| 12:26 |
markveidemanis |
I have a mod request |
| 12:26 |
markveidemanis |
GUI that places blocks in the world |
| 12:26 |
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celeron55 |
markveidemanis: it's called minetest |
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| 12:30 |
Taoki |
Hmmm. I'm thinking of trying to code support for colored lights, but am not sure about one thing; Should I modify the existing light value to hold 3 parameters instead of 1, or make a new field for the color of the light? |
| 12:31 |
Taoki |
The second option sounds better. More correct and also more doable |
| 12:31 |
VanessaE |
second option. |
| 12:31 |
Taoki |
That if I even figure out how to get it working at all |
| 12:31 |
Taoki |
ok |
| 12:31 |
markveidemanis |
Hmm? |
| 12:31 |
VanessaE |
light_color = "rrggbb", |
| 12:31 |
VanessaE |
seems simple enough. |
| 12:31 |
markveidemanis |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=83557#p83557 |
| 12:31 |
markveidemanis |
I know its called minetest... |
| 12:32 |
VanessaE |
or just a number specifying the hue in degrees, maybe. |
| 12:32 |
Taoki |
RGB is best |
| 12:32 |
VanessaE |
ok |
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| 12:35 |
* [0gb_us] |
wishes there was a way to freeze an arbitrary application's state to be used later |
| 12:37 |
RealBadAngel |
Taoki, ive seen already here a branch with couloured lights |
| 12:37 |
Taoki |
RealBadAngel: Really? Where? |
| 12:37 |
RealBadAngel |
quite old, celeron pointed to it one day |
| 12:38 |
Taoki |
Is it before the lua API got added? Could still help to look at the code |
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| 12:41 |
RealBadAngel |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1262 |
| 12:41 |
RealBadAngel |
but im afraid content is deleted |
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| 12:42 |
RealBadAngel |
i remember watchin a video for it |
| 12:45 |
celeron55 |
[0gb_us]: i wonder if there is any OS that would natively support that :P |
| 12:45 |
celeron55 |
it would require mandatory built-in support at the library level, everywhere |
| 12:45 |
[0gb_us] |
Not sure. It might be worth trying to build once I know C. |
| 12:46 |
celeron55 |
maybe some experiemntal OS that nobody actually uses |
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[0gb_us] |
Not the whole operating system, but the support, I mean to build. |
| 12:47 |
celeron55 |
the program can't use any regular libraries then |
| 12:47 |
celeron55 |
because they have internal state, and at some point they connect to hardware in some way you can't manage |
| 12:48 |
[0gb_us] |
Hmm. Maybe not then. |
| 12:48 |
celeron55 |
8) |
| 12:48 |
celeron55 |
there's often a reason why something hasn't been done |
| 12:49 |
[0gb_us] |
Yeah, I guess you're right. Too bad. I'll have to remain a VirtualBox exclusive feature for now then. ☺ |
| 12:51 |
celeron55 |
it would be interesting to have a switch in every computer that would completely freeze the CPU |
| 12:51 |
celeron55 |
actually |
| 12:51 |
celeron55 |
well yeah, there is one; it's called suspend |
| 12:51 |
[0gb_us] |
True, but it leaves the whole computer unusable. |
| 12:54 |
proller |
celeron55, yout opinion? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/659 |
| 12:54 |
proller |
your |
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celeron55 |
[0gb_us]: you actually can suspend a program in unix-like OSes using SIGSTOP and resume with SIGCONT |
| 12:55 |
celeron55 |
kill -19 <pid> and kill -18 <pid> |
| 12:55 |
celeron55 |
but you can't save it to disk or anything; it'll get deleted if you shut down the system |
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[0gb_us] |
Making an operating system would be pointless, as I said, I could develop the feature for an existing operating system. But as celeron55 said, there's a reason the feature doesn't already exist. |
| 12:56 |
celeron55 |
and yes, that will work on absolutely any process |
| 12:56 |
[0gb_us] |
Ah, I see. |
| 12:56 |
[0gb_us] |
That might come in handy at times. |
| 12:56 |
celeron55 |
on a terminal you can do that with ctrl+z and "fg" |
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sfan5[Mac] |
thats a bash feature, isn't it? |
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[0gb_us] |
SO if that is possible, I don't see why saving it to disc wouldn't be. |
| 12:57 |
[0gb_us] |
*So |
| 12:57 |
[0gb_us] |
Yeah, in bash. |
| 12:58 |
celeron55 |
saving to disk would be completely different |
| 12:58 |
celeron55 |
that command just stops the OS from giving any CPU time to the process |
| 12:59 |
[0gb_us] |
Ah, so it's only sort of artificially frozen. |
| 12:59 |
celeron55 |
as frozen as it needs to be |
| 12:59 |
celeron55 |
it doesn't put it in some bag or anything |
| 13:00 |
celeron55 |
john_minetest: yeah so how about eg. opengl contexts? |
| 13:00 |
celeron55 |
or connections to the X server |
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[0gb_us] |
Which is helpful if you're trying to save some CPU power for a while, but not if you need to halt the process for a later tame. |
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[0gb_us] |
*time |
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sfan5[Mac] |
kill -STOP $process && dump_all_process_memory_to_file $process /tmp/dump$process |
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* Jordach |
wonders why we have X Server |
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sfan5[Mac] |
^ someone needs to write a program for that |
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celeron55 |
Jordach: umm... what do you expect, then? |
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[0gb_us] |
Apparently, people are writing something to replace X server. |
| 13:02 |
celeron55 |
it's a server too |
| 13:02 |
[0gb_us] |
"Wayland", I think. |
| 13:03 |
sfan5[Mac] |
yeah |
| 13:03 |
[0gb_us] |
Replacing one server with another seems reasonable. If you need a server, you need a server. |
| 13:03 |
celeron55 |
but i'm wondering what is it that Jordach is wondering |
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[0gb_us] |
I JUST cleared my log as you said that, so I hope it wasn't directed to me. |
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MinetestBot |
hey guys! |
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[0gb_us] |
Are you actually a robot? |
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sfan5[Mac] |
MinetestBot is a bot |
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[0gb_us] |
A bot that says hello. Misleading. |
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Jordach |
celeron55, its the big problem; why is it needed? |
| 13:08 |
Jordach |
every time i type this in #buildandshoot @quakenet i get this |
| 13:08 |
Jordach |
<Jordach> !jordach |
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Jordach |
<Atlan> He's sexy |
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[0gb_us] |
I think it does the graphical interface, so you don;t need it if you want only text. |
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sfan5[Mac] |
john_minetest: yes |
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sfan5[Mac] |
you just need to integrate it into the window manager |
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celeron55 |
Jordach: unix is designed to only provide the most minimal UI by itself, which is a text console |
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celeron55 |
everything else is done by software in userland |
| 13:17 |
Jordach |
[0gb_us], why is 0gb.us refusing my browser |
| 13:17 |
Jordach |
celeron55, got it |
| 13:17 |
celeron55 |
and anything that gives access to multiple programs is a server |
| 13:17 |
celeron55 |
that isn't in the kernel |
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Jordach |
(it didnt USED TO.) |
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[0gb_us] |
Browser? Maybe because there's no web server installed. |
| 13:18 |
Jordach |
[0gb_us], i do remember a website there before though |
| 13:18 |
[0gb_us] |
Nah, you were probably imagining things. |
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Jordach |
there was a blog, other stuff too |
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[0gb_us] |
Ah, that. We lost that a while ago due to hard drive failure. |
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Jordach |
;) http://web.archive.org/web/20120131144857/http://0gb.us/home/ |
| 13:19 |
[0gb_us] |
That doesn't unbreak my hard drive. |
| 13:20 |
celeron55 |
the question is, though, why didn't you have backups of a server |
| 13:20 |
celeron55 |
or failure-resistant storage |
| 13:20 |
Jordach |
<Calinou> RAID hardware sucks |
| 13:20 |
celeron55 |
RAID isn't backup |
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[0gb_us] |
I hadmost of it backed up, but not the SQL. Without that, I didn't have the heart to put the site back up. |
| 13:21 |
[0gb_us] |
How do I make my hard drive failure resistant? |
| 13:21 |
celeron55 |
by putting two of them in RAID-1 8) |
| 13:23 |
[0gb_us] |
I'm sur I'd like it too, if I understood RAID.' |
| 13:24 |
[0gb_us] |
The non-raid ones seem accurate. |
| 13:25 |
[0gb_us] |
*sure |
| 13:26 |
celeron55 |
raid-0 makes two disks into one bigger medium, raid-1 makes two disks to contain the exact same data (so if one fails, nothing is lost but you need to hurry into a shop to buy a replacement before the other fails too) |
| 13:26 |
celeron55 |
raid >=2 are more complicated things that combine both |
| 13:27 |
celeron55 |
on linux you can do those with software |
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[0gb_us] |
Oh, nice. So what's the point of RAID-0 then? It doesn't seem useful. |
| 13:27 |
celeron55 |
but you can buy hardware to do it instead too for more serious usage |
| 13:29 |
celeron55 |
[0gb_us]: well, having a bigger partition instead of two smaller ones is useful, and also it gives a 2x speed improvement as the data can be interlaced so that both can read different parts of a file at the same time |
| 13:29 |
celeron55 |
and write speed improvement too |
| 13:29 |
celeron55 |
raid-1 gives only the speed one |
| 13:29 |
celeron55 |
eh |
| 13:29 |
celeron55 |
read one* |
| 13:30 |
celeron55 |
of course if any disk fails in raid-0, you're doomed |
| 13:30 |
[0gb_us] |
Okay, cool. So it's mostly for computers that need a lot of power/speed. |
| 13:30 |
celeron55 |
unless you have a backup, which, i may repeat, raid is not |
| 13:30 |
celeron55 |
[0gb_us]: or reliability |
| 13:30 |
celeron55 |
my c55.me server has raid-1 |
| 13:31 |
Kray |
raidz5 8) |
| 13:31 |
celeron55 |
it's a funny setup because it has an SSD and an old HDD, so write speed is horrible and read speed is fast - but it's pretty much unimaginable that they fail at the same time :-D |
| 13:31 |
[0gb_us] |
Nice. |
| 13:32 |
Kray |
raid that can house arbitrary number of disks, and can survive from five faulty disks simultaneously 8) |
| 13:32 |
celeron55 |
SSD will fail either of a manufacturing error or old age at either very fast or after a very long time, and such an old HDD can't really fail suddenly at all, some day it'll just start behaving not-so-well |
| 13:33 |
celeron55 |
though of course nobody recommends anything like this 8D |
| 13:35 |
[0gb_us] |
http://files.myopera.com/Aux/albums/653316/piracy.jpg |
| 13:36 |
Jordach |
"Stopping piracy only creates more piracy." |
| 13:37 |
Jordach |
PilzAdam, your new beds mod has a bug |
| 13:38 |
PilzAdam |
do you want to tell it me or do you want to wait even longer? |
| 13:39 |
Jordach |
well. at night with simple_mobs, i try and sleep but even though I used /time 0, it doesnt recognise |
| 13:40 |
PilzAdam |
works for me |
| 13:41 |
Jordach |
PilzAdam, its the one with the multicoloured beds |
| 13:41 |
PilzAdam |
survival game + simple mobs + latest beds mod + /time 0 + rightclick on the bed = sleeping |
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Jordach |
PilzAdam, not for me |
| 13:42 |
Jordach |
i redigged the bed too |
| 13:42 |
Jordach |
PilzAdam, the red bed doesnt work correctly |
| 13:42 |
Jordach |
i think. |
| 13:44 |
PilzAdam |
just tested all colors |
| 13:44 |
PilzAdam |
everything works perfectly fine |
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celeron55 |
[0gb_us]: that's not quite right these days, most game and music and such purchases are made digitally i think |
| 13:46 |
celeron55 |
which is quite good for the reason presented in the image |
| 13:46 |
[0gb_us] |
True. The last game I bought was online. |
| 13:47 |
PilzAdam |
new win build: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=65717#p65717 |
| 13:49 |
Jordach |
PilzAdam, is there any metadata that the bed uses? |
| 13:50 |
PilzAdam |
dunno |
| 13:50 |
PilzAdam |
look in the code |
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Jordach |
also: theres randomly appearing rectangular sections of shadow that appear for no reason |
| 13:50 |
Jordach |
(luajit build where exit to menu is duff) |
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PilzAdam |
I think hmmmm has fixed it already |
| 13:51 |
PilzAdam |
just plant a sapling to fix the shadow |
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VanessaE |
off to bed (way later than usual) |
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[0gb_us] |
Good night. |
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Jordach |
ungali_mobile, join spam |
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PilzAdam |
yes |
| 14:06 |
PilzAdam |
known |
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PilzAdam |
get Linux and compile it yourself if you want to fix it ;-) |
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Taoki |
Meh... the lighting code sure is a big mess |
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markveidemanis |
How do i use Git |
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PilzAdam |
git help |
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markveidemanis |
Tried that |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: Jeija commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Merge pull request #94 from RealBadAngel/patch-1 8afc6abcd5 2013-04-15T07:19:22-07:00 http://git.io/y3x6Lg |
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markveidemanis |
How do i delete a repository |
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ungali_mobile |
in sources. list? |
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ungali_mobile |
edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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PilzAdam |
ungali_mobile, a git repo |
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ungali_mobile |
oh, lol |
| 14:25 |
markveidemanis |
Is github even up? |
| 14:25 |
markveidemanis |
It wont let me on |
| 14:26 |
PilzAdam |
github works perfectly fine |
| 14:26 |
PilzAdam |
I guess the error is at your side |
| 14:29 |
markveidemanis |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5582 |
| 14:29 |
markveidemanis |
So how do i delete a repository |
| 14:30 |
PilzAdam |
please post mod requests/ideas here: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2434 |
| 14:31 |
markveidemanis |
I edited my existing topic |
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pukki |
hi all |
| 14:33 |
pukki |
is someone here??? |
| 14:33 |
PilzAdam |
no |
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PilzAdam |
</oldjoke> |
| 14:33 |
pukki |
hi adam |
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pukki |
i am new here at this game |
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pukki |
thx |
| 14:34 |
pukki |
i have some question |
| 14:34 |
pukki |
are there monster ingame? |
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PilzAdam |
there are only mods that add monsters |
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PilzAdam |
they are called "mobs" |
| 14:35 |
pukki |
and some like in minecraft?? |
| 14:36 |
PilzAdam |
no |
| 14:36 |
pukki |
i mean are there zombies or skeletons ingame? |
| 14:36 |
PilzAdam |
there are two big mob mods, mobf (Mob Framework) and Simple Mobs |
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Jordach |
http://imgur.com/gallery/KBVbj |
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Jordach |
i just found this and lol'd |
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PilzAdam |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=84247#p84247 |
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PilzAdam |
"I dont know how to use a computer." |
| 14:50 |
PilzAdam |
how should we help him? |
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sfan5[Mac] |
¿o/ |
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sfan5[Mac] |
fail |
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Jordach |
PilzAdam, the beds decide to work again |
| 15:04 |
PilzAdam |
yea, I have anti-Jordach code in there so they randomly dont work if you are Jordach |
| 15:04 |
* Jordach |
slaps PilzAdam with a anti-tampering agreement |
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markveidemanis |
Hey, can someone make me a quick mod |
| 15:09 |
markveidemanis |
Console for chat |
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markveidemanis |
external_cmd but also writes to file |
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markveidemanis |
Painting competition |
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markveidemanis |
86.158.111.163 |
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markveidemanis |
Afterwards, i will copy each of your paintings in GIMP and send them to you :D |
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PilzAdam |
lol |
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PilzAdam |
Moontest isnt even in development for a month and they alread have inactive contributors |
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* sdzen |
looks around |
| 15:54 |
sdzen |
sounds like blockplanet |
| 15:55 |
Calinou |
BlockPlanet: 2012-2012 |
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PilzAdam |
R.I.P. |
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PilzAdam |
sdzen, the only difference is that someone actually has done something for blockplanet |
| 15:56 |
PilzAdam |
Moontest just changes the textures AFAIK |
| 15:56 |
Calinou |
like hmmmm said, we should have a "Moontests" section on the forum for these kinds of mods |
| 15:57 |
* PilzAdam |
downloads the moontest.exe just for the lulz |
| 15:58 |
PilzAdam |
oh, sorry, *moontest-setup.exe |
| 15:59 |
Calinou |
tip: virustotal.com |
| 15:59 |
Calinou |
tip: tips are useful, you should read them more often |
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PilzAdam |
wtf!?! |
| 15:59 |
PilzAdam |
they want a Name, Organisation, Serialnumber |
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PilzAdam |
lol |
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PilzAdam |
I cant continue the "Installation" because of the serial number |
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sdzen |
hmmm |
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sdzen |
obviously some top secret changes were made |
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PilzAdam |
does LGPL allow forks being distributed without source? |
| 16:03 |
Exio |
[12:59:25] <Calinou> tip: tips are useful, you should read them more often |
| 16:03 |
Exio |
redeclipse-tips |
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telek |
PilzAdam: LGPL Allows forks that use the code as a dynamic link library to be used without the 'front end' code being open source |
| 16:09 |
telek |
The library itself would still need to be, and object files allowing for the frontend code to be relinked to a replacement version of the LGPL'd code would be required for static linking (this is why LGPL doesn't allow usage on console apps without purchasing a 'commercial' license, if possible from the library creator) |
| 16:12 |
telek |
So if there was an LGPL'd libminetest.so/dll you could make a proprietary frontend client/server utilizing it, but as it's currently built (each client/server compiled each object file individually into itself) you would fall under the terms of the LGPL. |
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PilzAdam |
thx |
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Zeg9 |
What do everyone think about that: https://github.com/minetest/common/pull/31 |
| 16:31 |
khonkhortisan |
I think it looks less scratched |
| 16:34 |
RealBadAngel |
ha, it started to work :) http://i.imgur.com/gszuUqK.png |
| 16:34 |
RealBadAngel |
time to fill it with contens :) |
| 16:34 |
PilzAdam |
minimalistic GUI FTW! |
| 16:35 |
RealBadAngel |
i will try to keep game gui style |
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* Calinou |
facepalms |
| 16:38 |
Calinou |
why don't you implement an "advanced settings" menu in minetest's menu? |
| 16:39 |
RealBadAngel |
i want gui for ALL the settings aviable |
| 16:39 |
RealBadAngel |
im getting sick of searching .example and copying settings |
| 16:40 |
Calinou |
yes |
| 16:40 |
Calinou |
use an "advanced settings" menu, this is how xonotic works |
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RealBadAngel |
you know how many settings there are out there? |
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PilzAdam |
RealBadAngel, what you want is impossible |
| 16:41 |
RealBadAngel |
easily possible |
| 16:41 |
PilzAdam |
the engine doesnt know about all possible settings |
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Calinou |
RealBadAngel: xonotic has TWO THOUSAND settings |
| 16:42 |
RealBadAngel |
with folks keep adding new settings in such way for example: |
| 16:42 |
Calinou |
wait, more |
| 16:42 |
Calinou |
280 Commands, 4044 cvar(s) |
| 16:42 |
RealBadAngel |
#group,setting_name,description,tooltip,type,default_value |
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RealBadAngel |
"Display properties",wanted_fps, "Set FPS cap", "If FPS would go higher than this, limit it by sleeping/n (to not waste CPU power for no benefit","int",60 |
| 16:43 |
PilzAdam |
where do you want to add these? |
| 16:43 |
RealBadAngel |
something like .example file |
| 16:43 |
Calinou |
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/82342922/temp/xonotic20130415184310-00.jpg |
| 16:43 |
RealBadAngel |
file that would contain settings definitions |
| 16:44 |
RealBadAngel |
utility will just read the file and create valid config |
| 16:44 |
Calinou |
(white means the setting is modified) |
| 16:44 |
RealBadAngel |
and of course allow easily change the settings |
| 16:44 |
PilzAdam |
please dont write the config as the current key change menu |
| 16:45 |
RealBadAngel |
utility wont add itself nothing |
| 16:45 |
PilzAdam |
otherwise minetest.conf would contain all settings default after first startup |
| 16:45 |
Calinou |
this is how you do an "advanced" settings menu, RealBadAngel :P |
| 16:45 |
Calinou |
not with a specific "XWindows" program |
| 16:45 |
PilzAdam |
maybe change the Settings class so it doesnt write the default value |
| 16:45 |
RealBadAngel |
this is not specific program |
| 16:45 |
RealBadAngel |
it compiles together with mt |
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RealBadAngel |
and is 3rd executable in /bin folder |
| 16:46 |
Calinou |
yes |
| 16:46 |
Calinou |
specific program |
| 16:46 |
Calinou |
complicates stuff and makes windows compatibility questionable |
| 16:46 |
Calinou |
and debian packagers are going to whine |
| 16:46 |
RealBadAngel |
? |
| 16:46 |
PilzAdam |
what? an extra program for settings? |
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RealBadAngel |
have you read what i wrote? |
| 16:46 |
Calinou |
yes |
| 16:46 |
RealBadAngel |
it is not specific |
| 16:46 |
Calinou |
you're using an extra program for settings |
| 16:47 |
Calinou |
while this is not a bad thing, it will not get into upstream |
| 16:47 |
Calinou |
(please don't compare this to the mapper) |
| 16:47 |
RealBadAngel |
if folks will not like it, it will remain addition |
| 16:47 |
RealBadAngel |
their lost |
| 16:47 |
Calinou |
RealBadAngel: is it much more complicated to put it in the main game? |
| 16:47 |
Calinou |
you know how to use irrlicht already |
| 16:48 |
RealBadAngel |
ofc. its an irrlicht app |
| 16:48 |
RealBadAngel |
but i dont want to shit main menu with hundreds of settings |
| 16:48 |
Calinou |
use an "Advanced Settings" button. |
| 16:49 |
Calinou |
then you can put all your settings there |
| 16:49 |
RealBadAngel |
and put there those hundreds? |
| 16:49 |
RealBadAngel |
sorry, but no |
| 16:49 |
Calinou |
yes, using a scrolling menu |
| 16:49 |
Calinou |
see the screenshot? |
| 16:49 |
RealBadAngel |
yes |
| 16:49 |
Calinou |
that system is perfectly usable for 4000 cvars, you can search for variable names |
| 16:50 |
RealBadAngel |
and looks like registry editor |
| 16:50 |
PilzAdam |
RealBadAngel, creating an extra program for the settings is nonsense |
| 16:50 |
Calinou |
lol |
| 16:50 |
RealBadAngel |
using the ingame system is pain in the ass |
| 16:50 |
RealBadAngel |
look how many changes adding sound volume control needed |
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| 16:50 |
RealBadAngel |
ridicously insane amount of code |
| 16:51 |
PilzAdam |
then add a system to the main menu that isnt PITA |
| 16:51 |
RealBadAngel |
ingame menu system is overcomplicated |
| 16:51 |
PilzAdam |
creating a new program for it is just stupid workaround |
| 16:52 |
RealBadAngel |
maybe if i will pop up with better menu system we will merge it |
| 16:52 |
RealBadAngel |
atm i wont be even tryin to fit ingame one |
| 16:52 |
RealBadAngel |
sound volume was enough for me |
| 16:53 |
RealBadAngel |
i want to write one from scratch and separate app is the best place for it |
| 16:53 |
PilzAdam |
then rework the whole main menu |
| 16:53 |
PilzAdam |
but dont create a new program for it |
| 16:54 |
PilzAdam |
thats just the worst thing you can do |
| 16:54 |
RealBadAngel |
mergin it into game would be just copy paste |
| 16:54 |
RealBadAngel |
im using very same libraries |
| 16:55 |
PilzAdam |
why do you start wrong to copy and paste it into the right place later? |
| 16:55 |
RealBadAngel |
because im doing it from scratch |
| 16:55 |
RealBadAngel |
not replacing, fixin nor changing |
| 16:56 |
PilzAdam |
you can also do the current main menu from scratch |
| 16:56 |
PilzAdam |
then its in the right place |
| 16:56 |
RealBadAngel |
not really, its a too big mess |
| 16:57 |
PilzAdam |
it will be the same mess if you merge the extra program later |
| 16:57 |
PilzAdam |
or even worse |
| 16:57 |
RealBadAngel |
not really, if it comes to merging, old stuff should be just deleted |
| 16:58 |
PilzAdam |
then you can also delete it a the beginning and start from scratch |
| 16:58 |
markveidemanis |
I need curtains |
| 16:58 |
markveidemanis |
Transparent but not let light through |
| 16:58 |
RealBadAngel |
easier for me to write without need to clean everything around first |
| 16:59 |
RealBadAngel |
this way im sure im having there only really necesary code |
| 17:01 |
RealBadAngel |
i want to make it using classes, nested objects, without any need to manually position things on screen |
| 17:01 |
RealBadAngel |
then just create groups of interactive objects with their callbacks |
| 17:02 |
Zeg9 |
markveidemanis, same here. But this simply is not possible because transparent = let the light through |
| 17:02 |
RealBadAngel |
so switching from tab to tab, or other menu will be just switchin the current group |
| 17:02 |
markveidemanis |
i tried it once |
| 17:02 |
markveidemanis |
Dark, but transparent |
| 17:04 |
RealBadAngel |
what we do have now, its extremally hard to change. all is added manually, with fixed coordinates, weird calculations for it all the time |
| 17:05 |
RealBadAngel |
and spreaded over many files |
| 17:06 |
RealBadAngel |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/4d73d99ebc848e2065b38672e882f994a1d561f4 |
| 17:07 |
RealBadAngel |
look how complicated was adding sound volume controls |
| 17:13 |
RealBadAngel |
i want the system to be modular with minimal settings required |
| 17:14 |
RealBadAngel |
simple as adding child to the parent with one call |
| 17:14 |
RealBadAngel |
not fuckin 268 lines in 7 files for one small window with just one slider |
| 17:15 |
khonkhortisan |
I think removestone should have a recipe where you keep the ingredients. |
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jordan4ibanez |
realbadangel how did you handle sounds for the nodes which loop? |
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telek |
Oh speaking of sound nodes. |
| 17:22 |
Taoki |
Ugh. Light is stored in param1 for each node? Thought it's calculated in realtime |
| 17:22 |
Taoki |
Makes a problem for adding colored lights |
| 17:22 |
Calinou |
why? |
| 17:22 |
Calinou |
you can calculate three values? |
| 17:22 |
Calinou |
triple the amount of bits? |
| 17:22 |
Taoki |
Calinou: How do you separate 3 values from one though? |
| 17:23 |
Calinou |
bits? |
| 17:23 |
telek |
The fire nodes need some work done on them, with a large scale fire going on it the audio was cutting out intermittently because (I assume) each fire node was individually emitting the crackling noise. |
| 17:23 |
Taoki |
That would work. But I don't get how bits there are stoed |
| 17:23 |
Taoki |
*stored |
| 17:23 |
Calinou |
you'd need 3× more bits though |
| 17:24 |
Taoki |
Can't even tell how exactly bits are being stored there |
| 17:25 |
jordan4ibanez |
After 4 hours I figured it out huzzah |
| 17:25 |
Taoki |
That and the overall lighting code is a huge mess. It's like 10 times larger than I think it could have been |
| 17:26 |
Taoki |
I'll surely need help on this one. But I can post what I already found out |
| 17:26 |
Taoki |
Since I got the first part figured out in my mind |
| 17:27 |
Taoki |
Yeah, did a grep through the code. param1 is set or read in like a billion places. I've no idea how on earth we're gonna adapt that to use 3 values |
| 17:31 |
Taoki |
Think I'm gonna post what I could figure out on the forum... hopefully someone else wants this and cares to help |
| 17:32 |
PilzAdam |
RealBadAngel, dont compare adding a setting to ingame menu with adding a setting to the main menu |
| 17:32 |
PilzAdam |
these things are complelty different |
| 17:32 |
PilzAdam |
if you just add a new tab to the main menu then you can make it that it doesnt need so much code for one setting |
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markveidemanis |
Im running minimal... |
| 17:37 |
markveidemanis |
Whoops sorry wrong channel |
| 17:38 |
RealBadAngel |
PilzAdam, current system is way to complicated to be easily changeable |
| 17:38 |
PilzAdam |
if you add a new tab then you create your own system |
| 17:38 |
PilzAdam |
why are you always talking about "current system"? |
| 17:38 |
PilzAdam |
you have to create the system first |
| 17:38 |
RealBadAngel |
all the menus |
| 17:38 |
RealBadAngel |
yes, thats what i plan to do |
| 17:39 |
RealBadAngel |
make clean, easy to use modular menu system |
| 17:39 |
RealBadAngel |
with singleliners to add new menu object |
| 17:42 |
RealBadAngel |
register any menu entry shall consist only of parent to add to, type and handler for action |
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RealBadAngel |
code shall take care of positionin it properly and call handler when needed |
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jordan4ibanez |
can we do this in lua? |
| 17:45 |
RealBadAngel |
impossible |
| 17:45 |
jordan4ibanez |
I SAY NEIGH |
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NakedFury |
this changs have to be source code |
| 17:46 |
jordan4ibanez |
hey jeija can you make it so command blocks can set player's physics? |
| 17:46 |
RealBadAngel |
change looks drastic, but i really want it to be simple as lego blocks |
| 17:47 |
RealBadAngel |
as extremally easy to use |
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RealBadAngel |
i wrote such menu system long time ago from scratch |
| 17:49 |
RealBadAngel |
in times there were DOS there and VESA video drivers |
| 17:50 |
RealBadAngel |
so i know how to do it properly i think |
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khonkhortisan |
Could not open file of texture: default_apple.png^[forcesingle |
| 17:55 |
RealBadAngel |
what does forcesingle do? |
| 17:56 |
PilzAdam |
forces the texture to not be in the texture atlas |
| 17:56 |
PilzAdam |
basically creates a copy of the texture |
| 17:56 |
khonkhortisan |
it makes it not find a file by that name |
| 17:57 |
RealBadAngel |
hmmm, we are not using atlas anymore? |
| 17:57 |
RealBadAngel |
it is disabled by default and obsolete |
| 17:58 |
RealBadAngel |
only remains of the atlas are the each tile has its own "atlas" |
| 17:58 |
khonkhortisan |
What would cause minetest to generate a dummy image for my texture other than it not existing or having the wrong name? |
| 17:59 |
RealBadAngel |
with atlas disabled it just means texture is not found |
| 18:00 |
khonkhortisan |
This error doesn't make sense ERROR[main]: generate_image(): Creating a dummy image for "curtain_papyrus.png" |
| 18:00 |
khonkhortisan |
I have curtain/depends.txt, curtain/init.lua, curtain/textures/curtain_papyrus.png |
| 18:00 |
khonkhortisan |
oops! curtain_papyus.png! Nevermind. |
| 18:00 |
RealBadAngel |
can you upload zipped mod somwhere? |
| 18:01 |
RealBadAngel |
hhahaha |
| 18:01 |
RealBadAngel |
and you blamed poor, dead already atlas for it ;) |
| 18:01 |
RealBadAngel |
shame on you :) |
| 18:03 |
RealBadAngel |
but on the other hand talkin bout weird problems with others really help |
| 18:03 |
RealBadAngel |
either you or some1 else will catch stupid error you have just couldnt see for hours |
| 18:05 |
khonkhortisan |
Once I wrote cect( instead of rect( and I couldn't see it because my font was small enough that the squiggley red underline covered the bottom of the c |
| 18:05 |
RealBadAngel |
hehe |
| 18:07 |
sfan5 |
\ |
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markveidemanis |
Khonk, join server again, i added your paintings to the collection |
| 18:07 |
markveidemanis |
Unfortunately the map is screwed |
| 18:08 |
Zeg9 |
Let me show that gallery |
| 18:08 |
Zeg9 |
Let me see* that gallery |
| 18:08 |
khonkhortisan |
You could probably do better :) |
| 18:11 |
RealBadAngel |
btw, got a thought |
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RealBadAngel |
what if we had lua aviable before game starts? |
| 18:12 |
RealBadAngel |
and write menus in lua? |
| 18:12 |
Jordach |
PilzAdam, sfan5: i think http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=84297#p84297 |
| 18:12 |
Jordach |
warn him first, then ban if repeated |
| 18:21 |
sfan5 |
Jordach: ummm |
| 18:21 |
Jordach |
sfan5, i could crack it with brutality, but im lazy |
| 18:21 |
* Jordach |
considers this might be a trojian |
| 18:22 |
Taoki |
If anyone else is interested in colored lights: forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=84299 |
| 18:22 |
Taoki |
erm, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=84299 |
| 18:22 |
sfan5 |
didn't someone already code colored lights? |
| 18:23 |
khonkhortisan |
We need colored lights - if we don't already have them that is |
| 18:23 |
Taoki |
sfan5: Long ago and the code got lost (were it even compatible at this day) |
| 18:23 |
Taoki |
If someone could still find it though, it could be useful inspiration |
| 18:23 |
Taoki |
khonkhortisan: We do and we don't |
| 18:24 |
PilzAdam |
sfan5, spam: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=84295#p84295 |
| 18:24 |
khonkhortisan |
They could be nice about it and mark it as spam before they start |
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sfan5 |
PilzAdam: banned |
| 18:26 |
Zeg9 |
RealBadAngel, that would be nice, but how to design this, because all mods are server-side... |
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RealBadAngel |
zeg9, there was already client side lua proof of concept by jeija |
| 18:31 |
jordan4ibanez |
who was banned? :D |
| 18:31 |
Zeg9 |
Yeah, but what could this be used too ? ... thinking about it, yeah, it would be a great idea, so people can customize their menu and stuff, but, wouldn't it be a lot of work for small results ? Or maybe I missed something... |
| 18:38 |
* Zeg9 |
is now leaving, bye all. |
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| 18:51 |
sfan5 |
Jordach: valid serial hashes (i think) for moontest setup: http://pastie.org/7589405 |
| 18:53 |
Jordach |
sfan5, cracked |
| 18:53 |
Calinou |
lol, you guys have nothing better to do than crack an user with a pony avatar's program |
| 18:53 |
Calinou |
:3 |
| 18:53 |
Calinou |
also, I got cancer. |
| 18:54 |
Jordach |
sfan5, http://i.imgur.com/CmNAnlh.png |
| 18:54 |
Jordach |
highlight of my day |
| 18:55 |
PilzAdam |
Jordach, post that on the moontest thread |
| 18:55 |
PilzAdam |
sfan5, VM crashed ^ |
| 18:56 |
Calinou |
is this guy trying to spread a virus? that kind of installer looks stupid :P |
| 18:56 |
Calinou |
zero log of actions |
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| 18:57 |
PilzAdam |
bye |
| 18:57 |
Jordach |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=84313#p84313 |
| 19:00 |
jordan4ibanez |
zoilt is a troll either that or he/she is very stupid |
| 19:01 |
Calinou |
I vote for the latter |
| 19:05 |
jordan4ibanez |
I vote for stairs |
| 19:06 |
* Jordach |
still waits until we start seeing R34 of Minetest |
| 19:06 |
Calinou |
won't happen for a while |
| 19:06 |
jordan4ibanez |
an r34 skyline?? |
| 19:06 |
* Jordach |
heads off to blender |
| 19:06 |
Calinou |
jordan4ibanez, stairs? northern lights! |
| 19:06 |
Calinou |
Jordach, first, you have to register a DA account |
| 19:06 |
Calinou |
else you can't get inspiration |
| 19:06 |
Calinou |
*cough**cough* |
| 19:07 |
jordan4ibanez |
OH GOD |
| 19:07 |
Jordach |
Calinou, lolz |
| 19:07 |
Jordach |
Calinou, i have one, but under this nick |
| 19:07 |
Jordach |
not under* |
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khonkhortisan |
I can't seem to reregister :default:anything |
| 19:07 |
sfan5 |
Calinou: use IDA |
| 19:08 |
Calinou |
IDA? |
| 19:08 |
Calinou |
Jordach, who uses same names for DA and other accounts? |
| 19:08 |
sfan5 |
Calinou: https://www.hex-rays.com/products/ida/index.shtml |
| 19:08 |
Calinou |
not even barack obama would do that! |
| 19:08 |
Calinou |
lol, sfan5 |
| 19:08 |
khonkhortisan |
okay, so I can reregister :default:nyancat but not :default:papyrus or :default:wood. |
| 19:08 |
Calinou |
sfan5, DA means deviantart :P |
| 19:09 |
Calinou |
you know why they have so much accounts :P |
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jordan4ibanez |
Maybe we should make minetest like deviantart |
| 19:11 |
jordan4ibanez |
we would get more users |
| 19:11 |
mauvebic |
more users? we need more modders :P the pace of new mods seems to be slowing |
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STHGOM |
modding is the point of minetest! (aside from the fact its free...) |
| 19:13 |
Exio |
is moontest a joke or real |
| 19:13 |
mauvebic |
im also seeing alot of things linger in /general, dunno if its because theyre not finished, or theyve been abandoned, or if simply no one's looking through them to move them |
| 19:14 |
STHGOM |
at minetest.net? |
| 19:14 |
mauvebic |
forums |
| 19:14 |
Calinou |
are you talking about "ore-G"? 8D |
| 19:15 |
Calinou |
if mods are ripoffs, "identical mods", lack a license, or their topic is very poorly written, they won't be moved |
| 19:15 |
Jordach |
that's what we should call this game |
| 19:15 |
mauvebic |
well naw just a bunch of mods i noticed have been there for a month + |
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mauvebic |
since when do ripoffs not make it through? lol thats news to me |
| 19:16 |
mauvebic |
shit man i remember the days where shit got ripped off within hours of posting lol |
| 19:17 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
how do i load a blender file for a mob and does it have to be a special format |
| 19:17 |
mauvebic |
tho these days i worry less about ripoffs and more about being harangued over format lol |
| 19:18 |
khonkhortisan |
I have a bone to pick with Calinou. |
| 19:19 |
mauvebic |
though if they have no chance of making out of general, it should be stated in the thread, so the OP might take a second look at what they can do differently |
| 19:19 |
Exio |
jojoa1997|Tablet: you need blender for opening blender files |
| 19:19 |
Calinou |
khonkhortisan, huh |
| 19:20 |
khonkhortisan |
You redefine papyrus and add sunlight_propagates = true. I redefine papyrus and add an on_punch function. Because your mod redefines the whole node and is run after my mod, your mod wins. |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
im downloading but i mean how do i load blender files into minetest |
| 19:21 |
mauvebic |
<khonkhortisan> use minetest.after, problem solved |
| 19:22 |
khonkhortisan |
There should be a standard way to redefine part of a node without redefining all of it. |
| 19:22 |
mauvebic |
you can even get calinou's def from registered_nodes and add whats missing to it |
| 19:22 |
mauvebic |
unfortunately making changes to registered_nodes wont do anything |
| 19:24 |
Calinou |
khonkhortisan, use the zzz trick, start your mod name with a "zzz" or something like that :P |
| 19:25 |
Calinou |
("zz" should be enough in 99% of cases) |
| 19:25 |
khonkhortisan |
I do that for my textureresizer - but if I did it for this, then I would override your mod. |
| 19:25 |
Jordach |
Calinou, is that the boob size you want ? |
| 19:25 |
Calinou |
yeah, that too |
| 19:25 |
mauvebic |
you can get cheap knockers off the ukrainian internet |
| 19:25 |
Calinou |
khonkhortisan, then make sure you use sunlight_propagates and it's fine |
| 19:25 |
Calinou |
the default papyrus blocks light, looks ugly |
| 19:25 |
khonkhortisan |
We're both only changing one of the variable of the node, that should be compatible. I'll see if I can make a generic function for node redefinition. |
| 19:26 |
Exio |
and add it to builtin? |
| 19:26 |
Jordach |
i just got a captcha |
| 19:26 |
mauvebic |
not difficult, get the nodedef from registered, add your fields to the table and youre done |
| 19:26 |
Jordach |
that says boobs |
| 19:26 |
khonkhortisan |
I don't know where something like that would go |
| 19:26 |
khonkhortisan |
mauvebic, and make every other mod do the same |
| 19:27 |
mauvebic |
well unless a great deal of other people need the function, it should go in your mod's helper functions |
| 19:27 |
khonkhortisan |
When two mods conflict on a node definition, both of them would need the function. |
| 19:28 |
mauvebic |
i have like a million helpers lol though theyve recently added one of them : the nodebox to selection box copy |
| 19:29 |
mauvebic |
which was a no brainer lol |
| 19:31 |
mauvebic |
is MirceaKitsune around? interested in getting this colored lighting thing working |
| 19:31 |
Jordach |
Taoki, ^ |
| 19:31 |
Taoki |
mauvebic: Yep |
| 19:31 |
mauvebic |
thats you? |
| 19:31 |
Exio |
poor Taoki :P |
| 19:31 |
Taoki |
It is. And why poor? |
| 19:32 |
Exio |
a bad joke, because he didn't know your irc nick :P |
| 19:32 |
* Taoki |
checks my wallet ;) |
| 19:32 |
RealBadAngel |
lol |
| 19:32 |
mauvebic |
well, ill never understand why people use different names lol |
| 19:32 |
Taoki |
Yeah, pretty poor actualkly :P |
| 19:32 |
RealBadAngel |
poor because she wants to do thing that was already done and just DELETED |
| 19:32 |
Taoki |
true that |
| 19:32 |
mauvebic |
who deleted it? |
| 19:33 |
mauvebic |
and why? and why did jacobf remove his code and videos on it? |
| 19:33 |
RealBadAngel |
there was branch with coloured lights already |
| 19:33 |
RealBadAngel |
dunno |
| 19:33 |
Calinou |
404 now :P |
| 19:33 |
mauvebic |
anyone still have a copy? |
| 19:33 |
RealBadAngel |
that could be of help |
| 19:33 |
RealBadAngel |
i saw vid once, it was great |
| 19:34 |
mauvebic |
it was a while ago, and i noticed things that were turned down a year ago suddenly become good ideas\ |
| 19:34 |
RealBadAngel |
maybe we shall make post in forums, maybe some1 still have it |
| 19:34 |
mauvebic |
though by then the developer has already quit in frustration |
| 19:36 |
mauvebic |
ive found a few forum posts on irrlicht forums regarding colored and ambient lighting, though if we can avoid doing it from scratch.. |
| 19:36 |
Calinou |
RealBadAngel, flblindman would have it then |
| 19:36 |
Calinou |
</sarcasm> |
| 19:36 |
Jordach |
Calinou, hehe |
| 19:36 |
mauvebic |
where are light sources handled in the source? |
| 19:36 |
jordan4ibanez |
THIS should be the default minetest texture pack http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=73916#p73916 |
| 19:36 |
jordan4ibanez |
wow |
| 19:37 |
Calinou |
where are light sources handled in the source of the source engine, I will only trust this info from a verifiable source? |
| 19:37 |
mauvebic |
pidgeon dropping + stick + apple = candied apple? |
| 19:37 |
RealBadAngel |
this texture pack is really nice |
| 19:38 |
Jordach |
Calinou, is it FDL |
| 19:38 |
Jordach |
GNU FDL* |
| 19:38 |
Calinou |
no, BY-ND |
| 19:38 |
Calinou |
mauvebic, lol |
| 19:38 |
Calinou |
RealBadAngel, pickaxe was made from minecraft though |
| 19:38 |
Calinou |
so no default :3 |
| 19:39 |
jordan4ibanez |
Our game was made from minecraft who the fuck cares |
| 19:40 |
mauvebic |
im guessing this aint it: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/light.h |
| 19:40 |
Calinou |
relevant to texture packs, someone posted a few picks of MCE on their world: http://imageshack.us/a/img822/1108/minetestopengl430fps51.jpg |
| 19:40 |
Calinou |
remembers me of building a skyscraper made of stone in january 2011, on my server, in minecraft :P |
| 19:41 |
Calinou |
I used that pack, it had a more "realistic" feel back then (since september 2011 or so, it's now "vanilla HD" and no longer "realistic") |
| 19:41 |
sfan5 |
my computer can hash one char with sha1 in 0.00000000922480408026 seconds |
| 19:41 |
Calinou |
how do you know? |
| 19:41 |
Exio |
how do you get those cute-numbers? hashing 1000000000000 numbers and checking how many ns it takes? |
| 19:41 |
Exio |
(+ average?) |
| 19:42 |
RealBadAngel |
fuuu, rails are really ugly in this pack |
| 19:42 |
Calinou |
no u |
| 19:42 |
mauvebic |
is light colour defined from the source, or does that go through shaders? |
| 19:43 |
Calinou |
not sure if shaders even affect lighting, ask celeron55 (ping!) |
| 19:44 |
mauvebic |
light.cpp/h seems to be responsible for day/night stuff if i understood correctly |
| 19:44 |
sfan5 |
mauvebic: light also goes through shaders |
| 19:44 |
RealBadAngel |
chests are awesome tho |
| 19:44 |
khonkhortisan |
the "right" way to redefine nodes: http://pastebin.com/jmi2t73A |
| 19:44 |
mauvebic |
so if i wanted to tweak the colors, where do i need to look? |
| 19:45 |
khonkhortisan |
Now how would I get something like this to be used by everything? |
| 19:45 |
jordan4ibanez |
Okay, does someone want to test the cauldron now? |
| 19:45 |
RealBadAngel |
furnaces suck big time |
| 19:45 |
RealBadAngel |
i vote for chests being merged |
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khonkhortisan |
In what file would a minetest.override_node function go? |
| 19:47 |
mauvebic |
can gedit do a multi-file text search? lol |
| 19:47 |
RealBadAngel |
http://i.imgur.com/ZyACDbN.png |
| 19:47 |
RealBadAngel |
i really like it |
| 19:49 |
sfan5 |
Calinou, Exio ,jordan4ibanez: https://gist.github.com/sfan5/5390795 |
| 19:50 |
Exio |
k, python |
| 19:50 |
Calinou |
^ |
| 19:50 |
mauvebic |
ugh, found selection box colour lol |
| 19:51 |
Calinou |
selection box colour should be per-node setting, not client-side |
| 19:51 |
Calinou |
would probably be more useful |
| 19:51 |
mauvebic |
dont care about selection box colour, looking for light color for nodes lol |
| 19:51 |
Calinou |
if node requires pick to be mined, make box dark red? if right click is useful on it, blue? |
| 19:51 |
Exio |
Calinou: that seems cool |
| 19:52 |
jordan4ibanez |
what does that do sfan5? |
| 19:52 |
sfan5 |
jordan4ibanez: read description |
| 19:52 |
Calinou |
it deletes your graphic drivers and restarts |
| 19:52 |
Exio |
IndentationError: unexpected indent |
| 19:53 |
Exio |
good python, forcing me to test indented code |
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sfan5 |
Exio: python version? |
| 19:53 |
Josh__ |
Hi |
| 19:53 |
Exio |
2.6.6 |
| 19:53 |
sfan5 |
the code runs fine for me |
| 19:53 |
sfan5 |
hmm |
| 19:53 |
sfan5 |
i have 2.7.3 |
| 19:53 |
Exio |
testing code in the repl :P |
| 19:53 |
sfan5 |
hi Josh__ |
| 19:53 |
Josh__ |
My minetest game won't connect to any servers |
| 19:53 |
Josh__ |
Internet's functional, But the darned thing wont work |
| 19:54 |
Josh__ |
Any idea why this may be occurring? This has happened many times |
| 19:54 |
Josh__ |
randomly |
| 19:55 |
sfan5 |
md5 is the fastest with avg per char: 0.00000000916245032329948668215522744693452006359279948810581117868423461914062500 |
| 19:55 |
mauvebic |
too many tabs lol be back when im done searching |
| 19:55 |
Josh__ |
anyone want to help? |
| 19:56 |
Josh__ |
Would really appreciate. |
| 19:56 |
Exio |
sfan5: http://dpaste.com/1059571/ |
| 19:56 |
Josh__ |
..... |
| 19:56 |
Calinou |
Josh__, check your firewall? |
| 19:57 |
Calinou |
make sure you allow port 30000, or just disable it |
| 19:57 |
Josh__ |
Calinou: It works normally |
| 19:57 |
sfan5 |
Exio: i guess your python is not good enough, do you have 64 bit? |
| 19:57 |
Exio |
yep |
| 19:57 |
sfan5 |
hm |
| 19:57 |
sfan5 |
the first error is exprected because: |
| 19:57 |
sfan5 |
hashlib.algorithms |
| 19:57 |
sfan5 |
A tuple providing the names of the hash algorithms guaranteed to be supported by this module. |
| 19:57 |
sfan5 |
New in version 2.7. |
| 19:57 |
Josh__ |
Calinou: its just certain times it refuses to budge |
| 19:57 |
sfan5 |
Exio: you should update your python |
| 19:57 |
sfan5 |
just build from source |
| 19:58 |
Exio |
sfan5: nah |
| 19:58 |
mauvebic |
is this it? c = MapBlock_LightColor(255, 0xffff, decode_light(f.light_source)); |
| 19:58 |
mauvebic |
in itemdef.cpp |
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Exio |
sfan5: what cpu do you have, btw? |
| 20:00 |
sfan5 |
model name: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2410M CPU @ 2.30GHz |
| 20:00 |
sfan5 |
cache size: 3072 KB |
| 20:00 |
sfan5 |
flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx rdtscp lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc aperfmperf pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm pcid sse4_1 sse4_2 x2apic popcnt tsc_deadline_timer aes xsave avx lahf_lm ida arat epb xsaveopt pln pts dtherm tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid |
| 20:00 |
Exio |
http://dpaste.com/1059576/ |
| 20:00 |
Exio |
here ^ |
| 20:00 |
sfan5 |
amd... |
| 20:00 |
Exio |
underclocked :P |
| 20:00 |
Exio |
wut? |
| 20:01 |
Josh__ |
? |
| 20:01 |
Josh__ |
Calinou: ? |
| 20:01 |
mauvebic |
if 0xffff is white, is red 0xff00 ? |
| 20:02 |
Taoki |
mauvebic: Not sure what 0x is. ffffff is white and ff0000 is red |
| 20:03 |
mauvebic |
0x means hex value |
| 20:03 |
mauvebic |
that much i do know at least lol |
| 20:03 |
Taoki |
Yeah, I just don't know which :P |
| 20:03 |
mauvebic |
i think i found where to change light colour, question is, where we would store the value? |
| 20:04 |
Taoki |
mauvebic: In param1. It will just need to have 3 more bits |
| 20:04 |
mauvebic |
something like, nodedef.light_source, and nodedef.light_colour? |
| 20:04 |
Taoki |
Sure, as far as the parameter is concerned |
| 20:04 |
Taoki |
That's how I wanted to do it too |
| 20:04 |
Exio |
you should use color (as it is used in other places) |
| 20:04 |
Taoki |
But for the mapgen, param1 will need 3 or 4 bits |
| 20:04 |
mauvebic |
not sure how easy tweaking param1 would be, but adding a def field would probaly be easier? |
| 20:05 |
mauvebic |
from what i understand, param1 is the *amount* of light? |
| 20:05 |
mauvebic |
since fixlight restores a param1 to its max (fully lit) |
| 20:06 |
Exio |
sfan5: what's up with AMD? :P |
| 20:06 |
Taoki |
mauvebic: Yeah, because amount is all that's used currently. If we add color it would need to hold amount and color too |
| 20:06 |
mauvebic |
thats why i think nodedef.light_colour might be more practical/less confusing |
| 20:07 |
mauvebic |
if we dont wanna break people's implementation of fixlight, not to mention everything else that uses param1 |
| 20:07 |
Exio |
i don't know how fast would that be |
| 20:07 |
sfan5 |
Exio: nothing, i though of some comment about amd that was in jordan4ibanez's signature |
| 20:08 |
Taoki |
mauvebic: Nothing else uses param1 iirc. Only param2 is used for other things |
| 20:08 |
Taoki |
param2 is for facedir and wallmounted usually, or flowing liquid. param1 is for lighting stuff |
| 20:09 |
mauvebic |
yeah but you only have one value for each |
| 20:09 |
mauvebic |
otherwise you might as well have param3 for colour |
| 20:09 |
Taoki |
Yah, that's why bits are needed |
| 20:09 |
sfan5 |
good night |
| 20:09 |
STHGOM |
tata mates! |
| 20:09 |
Taoki |
night |
| 20:10 |
Taoki |
mauvebic: a param3 wouldn't work either without bits, since you'd need to store each color channel |
| 20:10 |
Taoki |
You'd need a param3, param4, and param5, which would be wrong |
| 20:11 |
Calinou |
on sky hardcore I found bones of MirceaKitsune :O |
| 20:11 |
khonkhortisan |
What is a pull request called when I don't know where to put the code? An inclusion request? |
| 20:11 |
Taoki |
On the bright side, we don't necessarily need to store each color as a value between 0 and 255 or a real number between 0 and 1. We could add just another range between 0 and 15 |
| 20:11 |
Taoki |
Calinou: Proballby from when I fell there and died :P |
| 20:11 |
Calinou |
a request to have your stuff in the default game. |
| 20:11 |
Calinou |
Taoki, yeah |
| 20:11 |
mauvebic |
right now is compiling with red light instead of white |
| 20:11 |
Calinou |
0-15 range is accurate enough, yea |
| 20:12 |
Taoki |
For each channel of course. Same as t's done for intensity |
| 20:12 |
jordan4ibanez |
This is the best thing I've ever seen http://imgur.com/gallery/V3OSsDu |
| 20:12 |
Taoki |
This would actually fit param1 like a glove if expanded by a power of 2, if we think about it. Currently it stores a value between 0 and 15, which means 16 bits. Make it 64 bits and it will fit 4 values of 16; Intensity, red, green, blue |
| 20:13 |
mauvebic |
how easy can you/we/anyone do that? |
| 20:13 |
Calinou |
compiling with red light? |
| 20:13 |
* Calinou |
puts his tac goggles |
| 20:13 |
Taoki |
I'm very bad at bits, no idea |
| 20:13 |
Taoki |
It's all about seeing where and how param1 is used and changing it there |
| 20:14 |
Calinou |
we currently have 4 bits for light: 4^2 = 16 light levels, one of them is reserved for sunlight apparently |
| 20:14 |
khonkhortisan |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/661 |
| 20:14 |
Calinou |
12 bits, 4 for each color: 2^12: 4096 (without a calculator, yey) |
| 20:14 |
Taoki |
yeah. Sounds like we'd need 16 bits |
| 20:14 |
Calinou |
why 16? |
| 20:14 |
Calinou |
we need 16 light levels per color |
| 20:14 |
Taoki |
Oh yes, 12 |
| 20:14 |
Calinou |
not that weird 5+6+5 combination 3dfx invented :P |
| 20:15 |
Taoki |
Or... hmmmm. You said 4 bits for storing a 0 - 15 value. To store 3 more such values, wouldn't you need 4 + 4 + 4 + 4? |
| 20:15 |
Taoki |
Ah, you mean if we don't keep intensity separately |
| 20:16 |
Calinou |
no need for separate intensity |
| 20:16 |
Taoki |
Yes, in that case only 12 and 3 values are stored. If that's still compatible enough |
| 20:16 |
Taoki |
True. Yes in that case, 12 bits |
| 20:16 |
Calinou |
we can afford making light calculation 3× more expensive, 4×, less :P |
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Taoki |
Indeed |
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* Calinou |
is CPU limited in minetest at 800FPS or so (without shaders), 1000FPS without hyperthreading |
| 20:17 |
Taoki |
mauvebic: So yeah, param1 needs to go from 4 bits to 12 bits. Someone who knows maths needs to do that though |
| 20:17 |
Calinou |
(guess-work: CPU usage at 100% on one core) |
| 20:17 |
Taoki |
Calinou: 800 FPS? I rarely ever get 100 :( |
| 20:17 |
Calinou |
with misa's pack, shaders, high view distance and outdoors, about 120 to 240, depends |
| 20:17 |
mauvebic |
what would a param1 value look like that in such case? |
| 20:17 |
Calinou |
I limit to 65 to reduce power usage and noise |
| 20:18 |
Calinou |
Taoki, intel rocks at monothread compared to AMD :P |
| 20:18 |
Taoki |
mauvebic: That I don't know... more complex maths |
| 20:18 |
Taoki |
Yeah, I use Intel processors. But AMD / ATI video cards |
| 20:19 |
Calinou |
AMD is usually better when you throw lots of shaders at them, especially true for the HD7000s |
| 20:20 |
Taoki |
mauvebic: My experience with bits is limited, but I used them once. Basically you use a single value to store multiple sets of values. By multiplying each value with a power of 2 or something, which allows the reading code to de-compress the bits and notice what each value is |
| 20:20 |
Taoki |
So in an integer that ranges between 1 and 256, you could compress a certain amount of individual values. |
| 20:21 |
Taoki |
But I totally forgot the formula. It's a common practice in programming though so maybe someone else can help |
| 20:21 |
Calinou |
anyway, it's a nice idea to bring this colored light discussion back, it adds a lot of potential to the game, and finally another minetest-exclusive feature! |
| 20:21 |
Taoki |
Indeed. It's a very needed feature, and will allow for beautiful things :) |
| 20:22 |
Exio |
magenta lights! |
| 20:22 |
* Exio |
wants those |
| 20:22 |
mauvebic |
changing the hex value didn't seem to do anything :/ |
| 20:22 |
mauvebic |
c = MapBlock_LightColor(255, 0xff00, decode_light(f.light_source)); |
| 20:23 |
Exio |
$ grep 'MapBlock_LightColor' * | wc -l |
| 20:23 |
Exio |
17 |
| 20:24 |
Exio |
what of them did you modify? |
| 20:24 |
mauvebic |
0xffff -> 0xff00 |
| 20:24 |
Exio |
i mean, what file/line |
| 20:24 |
mauvebic |
light is still white |
| 20:24 |
mauvebic |
itemdef.cpp |
| 20:25 |
jordan4ibanez |
Someone try this http://ubuntuone.com/5SegH5aid4Z2otm5UXcfJg |
| 20:25 |
Exio |
mauvebic: check mapblock_mesh.h:166 |
| 20:25 |
khonkhortisan |
that's not a modpack |
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jordan4ibanez |
you throw in coal lumps for negative effect, and papyrus for positive, it needs lava underneath it, and you craft it like a cauldron in minecraft, only with steelblocks, you can check the level of the cauldron by rightclicking it with the malevolent decipher |
| 20:27 |
Taoki |
mauvebic: When shaders are enabled, you need to edit the color in the shader file to match. When not, you need to edit a function in the code which already colorizes light (currently only used for making moon light blue) |
| 20:28 |
Calinou |
pop corn: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTM1MjU |
| 20:28 |
Calinou |
people expect too much with ARM :3 |
| 20:28 |
Taoki |
"When shaders are disabled, that's done in mapblock_mesh line 337 (static void finalColorBlend). When shaders are enabled, it's in test_shader_1 file opengl_vertex.glsl." |
| 20:28 |
mauvebic |
ill try loading w/o shaders |
| 20:28 |
mauvebic |
shaders off, stll got this blueish tint, light is still white |
| 20:28 |
Taoki |
mauvebic: It needs to be adapted separartely in both. See my message above |
| 20:29 |
Exio |
test_shader_2 is used for liquid (water :P) |
| 20:29 |
Taoki |
You need to apply the color in those functions I mentioned, otherwise color is overriden or applied incorrectly |
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mauvebic |
where is shader file? |
| 20:29 |
Calinou |
Taoki, also, colored light will be hard to implement, because you need to implement it without and with shaders |
| 20:29 |
Exio |
mauvebic: client/shaders |
| 20:29 |
Taoki |
Calinou: Not hard. I already know where and how that's done |
| 20:29 |
Calinou |
it is very unlikely all old graphic card owners are willing to spend 80 euros in a 7750, so that we could drop fixed-function :P |
| 20:30 |
Taoki |
mauvebic: Something else you should be aware of. The lighting system uses a hack, and stores its intensity in an SColor. R is used for sun light, G for moon light, B for light sources. B is what interests us |
| 20:31 |
Taoki |
It might seem like that by itself is the color value, but it's a (hacky IMO) way of storing multiple intensities per face or vertice |
| 20:31 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
jordan you made the cake mod right? |
| 20:31 |
mauvebic |
no wonder the old code wouldn't work lol |
| 20:31 |
mauvebic |
im in test_shader1/opengl_vertex.glsl |
| 20:31 |
Taoki |
mauvebic: mapblock_mesh line 337 (static void finalColorBlend) That's where to do it without shaders first |
| 20:32 |
Taoki |
Yes, that one's the shader version |
| 20:32 |
Taoki |
Same adaptation must be done there |
| 20:33 |
mauvebic |
for starters, i gotta reverse what i did to itemdef.cpp since thats not helping? |
| 20:34 |
Taoki |
Lighting is applied separately on items and entities and players, in content_cao.cpp. That part is easier |
| 20:34 |
Exio |
git stash |
| 20:36 |
mauvebic |
fuck me lol |
| 20:37 |
mauvebic |
http://ompldr.org/vaTN5cw/screenshot_258552915.png |
| 20:37 |
Calinou |
kinda relevant to lighting: first one who gets smooth lighting to work on nodeboxes and new style water gets nobel prize :P |
| 20:38 |
Calinou |
I wonder how hard this would be. this is technically possible since um, minecraft does it |
| 20:38 |
mauvebic |
i got red light, but i got it everywhere lol |
| 20:38 |
Taoki |
mauvebic: That's normal to get during testing :P |
| 20:38 |
mauvebic |
at night: http://ompldr.org/vaTN5dQ/screenshot_258629199.png |
| 20:38 |
Taoki |
mauvebic: Remember, Red is used to indicate sunlight Green moon Blue torches |
| 20:38 |
Calinou |
changing what light value gives what color could be used for night vision potions :P |
| 20:39 |
Taoki |
So we need to be sure we're editing the real color, not the hacky intensities stored |
| 20:39 |
Calinou |
note that the current implementation of lighting reserves the "15" light value IIRC |
| 20:39 |
Taoki |
mauvebic: Ah, that's good. If it's red both for son and moon light it's a step forward |
| 20:39 |
mauvebic |
so, i managed to change the light colour of everything, though i only wanted to change it for light sources, hmm |
| 20:39 |
Calinou |
just saying, keep in mind, might run into problems due to that |
| 20:39 |
Taoki |
Light is being colorized. We only need to make sure it is based on the color of the light source. That's the tricky calculation |
| 20:40 |
Taoki |
mauvebic: You need to make the blue channel of that hack I mentioned influence overall color |
| 20:40 |
Taoki |
Light and moon must keep their current color (and look blue-ish at night) |
| 20:40 |
mauvebic |
what i did was (lines 369~371): result.setRed(rg); |
| 20:40 |
mauvebic |
result.setGreen(0); |
| 20:40 |
mauvebic |
result.setBlue(0); |
| 20:40 |
Taoki |
Ahh. Yeah that's not it |
| 20:41 |
Taoki |
hold on |
| 20:41 |
Taoki |
s32 rg = (day * daynight_ratio + night * (1000-daynight_ratio)) / 1000; |
| 20:41 |
Taoki |
s32 b = rg; |
| 20:41 |
Calinou |
we could give an orange-ish light to sunrise/sunset maybe :P |
| 20:42 |
Taoki |
mauvebic: ^ in that you need to make the amount cast by b influence color |
| 20:42 |
Taoki |
It's a bit tricky |
| 20:42 |
Taoki |
Calinou: That would rock. Different thing tho |
| 20:42 |
mauvebic |
so use the b conditional at line 353 to determine lightsource colour? |
| 20:42 |
* Taoki |
wants sky settings to be in minetest.conf or lua someday. But not as urgent |
| 20:43 |
Taoki |
mauvebic: Yes. Basically the intensity of b must be colorized |
| 20:43 |
Taoki |
rg are sun and moon light, they must stay as is |
| 20:43 |
mauvebic |
at what value does b become an artificial light source? |
| 20:43 |
Taoki |
Something like mycolor(r,g,b) * b |
| 20:43 |
Taoki |
Not sure. I assume that at 1 it means maximum lihting |
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mauvebic |
what about line 360, that specifically mentions artificial light |
| 20:44 |
mauvebic |
though the numbers dont make sense to me |
| 20:45 |
Taoki |
That might have to go away. It probably makes light yellow-ish when at low intensity |
| 20:45 |
starblessed |
I dont know if anyone is interested, but I just posted a Youtube Tutorial for Linux Mint / Ubuntu / Debian : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PESRAVcd8_0 |
| 20:45 |
Taoki |
Colored lights would probably have to override that |
| 20:45 |
Taoki |
starblessed: nice |
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starblessed |
Its a real basic newbie guide. I hope it helps bring in a few more people :D |
| 20:46 |
starblessed |
Thanks Taoki |
| 20:48 |
mauvebic |
not quite what i was hoping for : http://ompldr.org/vaTN6MA/screenshot_259221243.png |
| 20:48 |
mauvebic |
daytime colours are vanilla, nightime is ambient green |
| 20:49 |
mauvebic |
though aritificial stayed white |
| 20:49 |
Taoki |
mauvebic: That's pretty close. Just not the exact formula yet |
| 20:49 |
khonkhortisan |
bobblocks and lightstone would use it |
| 20:49 |
mauvebic |
result.setRed(rg); |
| 20:49 |
mauvebic |
result.setGreen(b); |
| 20:49 |
mauvebic |
result.setBlue(b); |
| 20:50 |
Taoki |
mauvebic: You probably need to use other balues but rg and b. Must code an algorithm to take a given amount of color and add its influence by "b" |
| 20:50 |
Taoki |
eg: x = mycolor(0,0.5,1) * b |
| 20:51 |
Taoki |
result.setBlue(x); |
| 20:51 |
Taoki |
Maybe a bit more complex |
| 20:57 |
Taoki |
Quick formula idea that might be close to what we're looking for: SColor total; total.setRed(rg * (0.5 * b)); total.setGreen(rg * (0.5 * b)); total.setBlue(b * (0.5 * b)); |
| 20:57 |
Taoki |
0.5 meaning the real color for each channel, till we're setting an actual one |
| 20:57 |
mauvebic |
lol http://ompldr.org/vaTN6Mw/screenshot_259770929.png |
| 20:57 |
khonkhortisan |
you have two rg's and four b's |
| 20:58 |
Taoki |
yeah, it's a confusing formula. The harders part is still storing color in param1, and calculating it per-source |
| 20:59 |
khonkhortisan |
Will you still be able to recognize the old white-only color and change it to rgb? |
| 20:59 |
mauvebic |
error: expected ‘;’ before ‘total’ |
| 20:59 |
hmmmm |
you guys are trying to do colored lighting at the mapnode level? |
| 20:59 |
mauvebic |
yep yep, though im shooting blind here lol |
| 20:59 |
Taoki |
hmmmm: Sure |
| 20:59 |
khonkhortisan |
^ just said it couldn't be done |
| 20:59 |
hmmmm |
if so, be aware that it will not be accepted into minetest's codebase |
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| 21:00 |
hmmmm |
and that's a definite |
| 21:00 |
mauvebic |
doesnt really matter to me, i want it for my game |
| 21:00 |
Taoki |
That makes no sense |
| 21:00 |
Calinou |
hmmmm, is there any other way to do it? |
| 21:00 |
mauvebic |
and whoever else wants it |
| 21:00 |
Taoki |
A lot of people want that, and it's doable as well with some work |
| 21:00 |
hmmmm |
dynamic lighting |
| 21:00 |
hmmmm |
sure, you guys can have it |
| 21:00 |
Taoki |
Calinou: Sounds like he doesn't want it just for the sake of not wanting it... |
| 21:00 |
hmmmm |
maintain your own fork |
| 21:00 |
khonkhortisan |
so it would be two features at once? |
| 21:00 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
jordan4ibanez i cant wait to try your addition to potions |
| 21:00 |
Calinou |
resource intensive > kills "minetest should run on old hardware" goal |
| 21:00 |
khonkhortisan |
dynamic + color? |
| 21:00 |
Calinou |
making it optional is not an option. else everyone is going to use it to make seeing stuff easier |
| 21:01 |
hmmmm |
dynamic lighting would allow for color |
| 21:01 |
Taoki |
Using 3 light values instead of 1 is not resource intensitve |
| 21:01 |
Calinou |
hmmmm, and how slow is it? |
| 21:01 |
Taoki |
Color would work for current lighting too |
| 21:01 |
hmmmm |
no idea |
| 21:01 |
hmmmm |
you guys are NOT making a mapnode larger than 32 bits |
| 21:01 |
mauvebic |
i know it wouldn't be accepted, otherwise jacobf would prolly still be here lol |
| 21:01 |
khonkhortisan |
if you want it to not be resource intensive, render everything in grayscale. |
| 21:01 |
Calinou |
hmmmm, what problems does this do? |
| 21:02 |
mauvebic |
i suggested sticking the colour in the nodedef if thats at all doable |
| 21:02 |
Calinou |
excessive map size? |
| 21:02 |
hmmmm |
how about doubles the size of everything related to map? |
| 21:02 |
Taoki |
It certainly doesn't do anything bad |
| 21:02 |
Calinou |
disk space is cheap today |
| 21:02 |
hmmmm |
triples the amount of move operations needed? |
| 21:02 |
mauvebic |
khonkhortisan, lol |
| 21:02 |
hmmmm |
i'm glad you think so |
| 21:02 |
hmmmm |
so, why don't you make your own fork with this feature |
| 21:02 |
Calinou |
tripling move operations could be bad for slow storage though |
| 21:02 |
Taoki |
you could make a fork of your on without it too :P |
| 21:03 |
mauvebic |
considering how everyone likes to compare their specs here, i seem to have one of the weakest machines around, aside from netbook users, who cant play anyhow |
| 21:03 |
Taoki |
Since everyone I asked wants this feature |
| 21:03 |
hmmmm |
yes, users want a cool feature |
| 21:03 |
Calinou |
I play minetest on my netbook, mauvebic :P |
| 21:03 |
khonkhortisan |
I want it whether you asked me or not |
| 21:03 |
hmmmm |
not really shocking |
| 21:03 |
Taoki |
hmmmm: Developers needing to stop them from getting implemented is pretty new though |
| 21:03 |
hmmmm |
the point is that the "obvious" way to implement it is really shitty for multiple reasons |
| 21:03 |
mauvebic |
cant stand minetest on the netbook, mouse sensitivity issues, another config option you guys dont wanna add |
| 21:04 |
Taoki |
not really |
| 21:04 |
hmmmm |
but yes really |
| 21:04 |
Calinou |
mauvebic, someone made a pull request about it, no? |
| 21:04 |
Calinou |
touchpad works for playing minetest here |
| 21:04 |
mauvebic |
yeah and i +1 it |
| 21:04 |
Calinou |
not the best for pvp though 8D |
| 21:04 |
Taoki |
You just use 3 values instead of 1. Basically 16 - 32 more unmbers, which is nothing for any machine |
| 21:04 |
mauvebic |
but last time someone tried it went to the not-important bin |
| 21:05 |
Taoki |
*numbers |
| 21:05 |
Calinou |
or just use a script that tweaks mouse sens down when starting minetest, mauvebic |
| 21:05 |
mauvebic |
the simplest solution was to get a second tower for my wife to play on lol |
| 21:06 |
mauvebic |
use the netbook for recipes in the kitchen lol |
| 21:06 |
Exio |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/657 |
| 21:06 |
Exio |
+ 4 additions |
| 21:06 |
Exio |
- 1 deletion |
| 21:06 |
Calinou |
Taoki, see what hmmmm said about move operations, we use databases for the world |
| 21:07 |
mauvebic |
point is, nodeboxes and shaders were eventually added despite misgivings over them, and im pretty sure enough people are gonna want colored lighting too |
| 21:07 |
Taoki |
Calinou: If param1 has 3 more bits, it would still use only one move operation if I understand right. Since it's still just one value, only larger |
| 21:07 |
Taoki |
mauvebic: From what I noticed, everyone agees and want them already |
| 21:07 |
mauvebic |
they didn't want to grow the nodeid either until enough people complained they couldn't add more nodes |
| 21:08 |
hmmmm |
where are you going to get three more bits for param1 from |
| 21:08 |
mauvebic |
so instead of fighting it and everyone, can either help or get out of the way (imo) |
| 21:08 |
Taoki |
hmmmm: Not good with bits, but I know it's possible. If currently it stores 16 values, it would simply store 48 |
| 21:08 |
hmmmm |
that's 16 PER LIGHT BANK |
| 21:08 |
hmmmm |
and again, you need a PLACE to put it |
| 21:09 |
hmmmm |
it just doesn't make sense to change minetest in such a fundamental way and shit it up just for some rare, special case in lighting |
| 21:10 |
mauvebic |
they said that about nodeboxes too.... yet here they are |
| 21:10 |
hmmmm |
i'm just saying this now so nobody gets hurt feelings when you ask me to merge it |
| 21:10 |
Calinou |
mauvebic, +1 |
| 21:10 |
khonkhortisan |
No light is white |
| 21:10 |
Taoki |
erm... it wouldn't be that rare of a case. Many mods could use it in many ways, and from what I'm seeing a lot of people would like to use this in their mods |
| 21:10 |
Taoki |
Calinou, +2 :) |
| 21:10 |
mauvebic |
rare? lol i cant picture a dozen mods coming from this |
| 21:10 |
mauvebic |
*can |
| 21:10 |
hmmmm |
'mods' |
| 21:10 |
Taoki |
mauvebic: Agreed |
| 21:10 |
mauvebic |
well you cant have colored lighting from mods |
| 21:11 |
mauvebic |
it needs to be done at the engine level, THEN the mods come |
| 21:11 |
Taoki |
indeed |
| 21:11 |
Calinou |
hmmmm, and the default game could have yellow lamps made from mese maybe. |
| 21:11 |
hmmmm |
look |
| 21:11 |
Calinou |
(if I understood what you said) |
| 21:11 |
hmmmm |
i would love colored light |
| 21:11 |
Taoki |
Yah. Blue lights from diamonds, etc |
| 21:11 |
khonkhortisan |
lamps just as an example? It doesn't have to be in default |
| 21:11 |
hmmmm |
that's great |
| 21:11 |
hmmmm |
but you need to find a better way to do it |
| 21:11 |
mauvebic |
true right now im just guessing since no one else wants to do it |
| 21:12 |
Calinou |
rewriting the whole lighting system is painful |
| 21:12 |
mauvebic |
and my way will prolly be hackish, but it's better than nothing |
| 21:12 |
Taoki |
Calinou: Not rewriting the whole system, just adding extra values to be persisted |
| 21:12 |
Calinou |
hmmmm wanted to have dynamic lighting |
| 21:12 |
khonkhortisan |
dynamic lighting would be a rewrite |
| 21:12 |
Taoki |
That yes |
| 21:12 |
Exio |
mauvebic: suddenly, half of MT code will be "hacky but better than nothing code" |
| 21:13 |
mauvebic |
then if lighting is to be redone anyhow - the new spec should include cloring |
| 21:13 |
Taoki |
I totally support and want hardware lighting. I think I bring this up on a daily basis. But that's a different topic and even harder |
| 21:13 |
mauvebic |
*coloring not chlorine |
| 21:13 |
Calinou |
hacks are how you do progress, taking no risk brings you nowhere |
| 21:13 |
hmmmm |
dynamic lights definitely does not |
| 21:13 |
hmmmm |
i know you guys don't give a shit about the codebase, but i do |
| 21:14 |
hmmmm |
this is basically all i'm hearing: |
| 21:14 |
Taoki |
I care about the code base too. But if the code doesn't go what it should or could, it doesn't help to have a pretty code base to stare at |
| 21:14 |
hmmmm |
end users: WE WANT FEATURE X |
| 21:14 |
Taoki |
As in, if it KEEPS us from doing things |
| 21:14 |
khonkhortisan |
I care that two mods can't redefine the same node without knowing compensating for each other |
| 21:14 |
hmmmm |
developer: I have an obvious but bad way to add feature X! |
| 21:14 |
hmmmm |
me: you should find a better way to do feature X |
| 21:14 |
hmmmm |
end users: YOU JUST DON'T LIKE CHANGE |
| 21:14 |
mauvebic |
well so far, youre not offering any better ideas |
| 21:14 |
Taoki |
end user + developer: ATTAAAAAACK! |
| 21:15 |
mauvebic |
youre just saying its a bad idea and ittl never get in, so yeah, we'll take hacks for five hundred Al |
| 21:15 |
khonkhortisan |
roleplaying is good, it shows the conversation from a viewpoint. |
| 21:15 |
Taoki |
I try to find the best way to add any idea. The best from those which are possible, even if it's not a great one overall |
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| 21:16 |
Taoki |
mauvebic: It might be a bad one with the current obvious implementation. But since that's the best and possibly only one, I'd tend to think its better than nothing |
| 21:16 |
Taoki |
I'd wand hardware lighting a ton more. If only this was any easier to do though... |
| 21:16 |
mauvebic |
i mean starting off, im told the lighting system is a hack, so whats another hack anyhow? |
| 21:16 |
Taoki |
The current voxel lighting is a hack yeah |
| 21:16 |
Taoki |
At least I consider it such. But it was done cuz nothing better could be achieved |
| 21:16 |
Exio |
the correct way should be the rewrite for making it not a hack and implement the real features in a proper way |
| 21:16 |
Exio |
-> hard |
| 21:17 |
Exio |
the easy and fast way is add more hacks into hacky ways to do something already pretty hacky |
| 21:17 |
Taoki |
Which actually proves the point; We had to do a hack cuz there was no other way. If MT didn't it wouldn't have had lighting at all |
| 21:18 |
Taoki |
Well not we, I didn't code the lighting system or know about Minetest by the time that was done :P But yeah |
| 21:18 |
mauvebic |
brb, gonna make more coffee |
| 21:19 |
Taoki |
Setting the color of each surface to simulate light is really really wrong overall in my opinion. Problem remains how to keep those darn lights from shining indoor :P |
| 21:19 |
mauvebic |
ianno c55 said himself, the biggest problem is developers who dont play the game - perhaps its time to listen to those that do play... |
| 21:19 |
Taoki |
till that's figured out, we have to go with an incorrect system |
| 21:20 |
Calinou |
developers don't have time to play, players don't have time to develop |
| 21:20 |
hmmmm |
the current lighting system isn't a hack |
| 21:20 |
Taoki |
I'm one of the devs who do. Otherwise I couldn't put effort into the project so much |
| 21:20 |
jordan4ibanez |
Apparently there was a bombing in boston |
| 21:20 |
Taoki |
hmmmm: It's using vertex color to simulate light. They're not meant to be used for that, at least since the last 20 years. So it's not a correct thing |
| 21:21 |
Calinou |
jordan4ibanez, old news |
| 21:21 |
hmmmm |
conceptually, it's not meant to be used in that manner, but tacking on more colors isn't fixing the problem |
| 21:21 |
hmmmm |
wow, 3 hours ago is old news |
| 21:21 |
jordan4ibanez |
It's not old news |
| 21:21 |
Calinou |
I knew about it 16 mins after yahoo made a post about it :P |
| 21:21 |
Taoki |
hmmmm: Yeah. My idea for colored lights was doing it with the current system. Since hardware light would be even harder to do :P |
| 21:21 |
Taoki |
Both things are hard to do properly overall |
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iqualfragile1 |
oh noes a bombing, lets build more cameras everywhere, that will fix it! |
| 21:22 |
* Calinou |
is watching star's linux tutorials for fun |
| 21:22 |
Taoki |
Only thing that will fix it is if people stop being crazy and stupid in this world, and resorting to that sort of thing. Which is a hard and painful process :) |
| 21:22 |
hmmmm |
but to accomplish that, you want to do 3x more work, replace all current lighting code, make a change to the fundamental structure in minetest, make everything twice as big, consume twice as much bandwith, take longer to manipulate |
| 21:23 |
Taoki |
hmmmm: Would using 3 values instead of 1 just for light make everything 2-3 times larger and longer? I would assume no one would notice a different |
| 21:23 |
Calinou |
bandwidth could be a problem too for home servers |
| 21:24 |
Calinou |
but it's not really significant unless someone spams torches when there are 10+ players nearby |
| 21:24 |
Exio |
Calinou: the bits will need to be used |
| 21:24 |
Exio |
even for dark places... |
| 21:24 |
jordan4ibanez |
and now one went off at jfk library and at a hospital |
| 21:24 |
Taoki |
Funny fact: Some say hardware lighting could be slower. But it would mean not having to calculate per-vertex lighting and network it over. It would make MT a dozen times faster than generating and sending lighting at all |
| 21:24 |
iqualfragile1 |
i think its about change |
| 21:25 |
Taoki |
*slower on old machines |
| 21:25 |
mauvebic |
perhaps we should poll people's specs and finding out just how many are playing on commodore 64's |
| 21:26 |
mauvebic |
because i have these ridiculously old games, some with better gfx |
| 21:26 |
mauvebic |
cuz i get by on 1,2 and 3 gigs of ram, with pretty ordinary graphics cards |
| 21:27 |
mauvebic |
cant we do with lighting what was done w/ particlespawners? |
| 21:27 |
Calinou |
'night |
| 21:27 |
Taoki |
night |
| 21:27 |
mauvebic |
nite |
| 21:27 |
[0gb_us] |
Good night. |
| 21:27 |
Taoki |
We can have hardware lighting, just no way to mask it indoor and in caves |
| 21:28 |
mauvebic |
how much of a presence (if any) do we have on indiegamer forums? |
| 21:29 |
mauvebic |
i could put up help wanted signs lol |
| 21:29 |
iqualfragile1 |
night |
| 21:30 |
mauvebic |
niote |
| 21:30 |
mauvebic |
*nite |
| 21:32 |
mauvebic |
well this convo either died or moved to dev lol so im gonna go finish my tall ship, bbl |
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khonkhortisan |
WHY is there a __newindex metemethod to registered nodes? |
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Traxie21 |
Hia jordy |
| 21:43 |
khonkhortisan |
There is no table.copy(), and __newindex prevents me from adding new keys to the table returned from registered_nodes so that I can then minetest.register_node that table. |
| 21:43 |
Uberi |
khonkhortisan: they have metatables with __newindex on them? |
| 21:43 |
khonkhortisan |
YES!!! |
| 21:43 |
Uberi |
ouch |
| 21:43 |
khonkhortisan |
WHY? |
| 21:44 |
Uberi |
can't you setmetatable to override that? |
| 21:44 |
khonkhortisan |
probably. |
| 21:44 |
Uberi |
very hacky though |
| 21:44 |
Uberi |
probably a bad idea anyways |
| 21:44 |
khonkhortisan |
What would be the non-hacky way to get a node definition, change a few keys, then reregister the node without __newindex getting in the way? |
| 21:45 |
Uberi |
shallow copy + reregister? |
| 21:45 |
Uberi |
I think your override_node thing is a step in the right direction |
| 21:45 |
khonkhortisan |
Then I'd be defining a table copy that would be accessible from all mods |
| 21:45 |
khonkhortisan |
unless I use local |
| 21:46 |
Uberi |
yep, but table copy is broadly useful too |
| 21:52 |
khonkhortisan |
solution: rawset(t, k, v) |
| 21:52 |
Uberi |
I think that's still a bit hacky, personally |
| 21:54 |
khonkhortisan |
getting a table, changing part of it, then sending it back _shouldn't_ be hacky, but __newindex makes it so. I don't even know why it's in there. It doesn't make it read-only, it makes it non-expandable. |
| 21:54 |
Uberi |
khonkhortisan: well what's wrong with a shallow copy? |
| 21:55 |
khonkhortisan |
I can do it without one. |
| 21:58 |
khonkhortisan |
if directly trying to change minetest.registered_nodes[] truly does nothing, I should treat it as if it's already a copy. |
| 21:58 |
Uberi |
well, is this behavior documented? |
| 22:01 |
khonkhortisan |
oh. Directly changing minetest.registered_nodes[] is the same as minetest.register_node(). |
| 22:01 |
Uberi |
interesting |
| 22:01 |
khonkhortisan |
doc/lua_api.txt just says "Anything added using certain minetest.register_* functions get added to the global minetest.registered_* tables." |
| 22:02 |
Traxie21 |
Huh |
| 22:02 |
Uberi |
well, I think relying on undocumented behavior should be avoided if possible |
| 22:02 |
Traxie21 |
That means you could edit every entry in that table |
| 22:03 |
khonkhortisan |
but nothing not in the table without registering it |
| 22:03 |
khonkhortisan |
or rawset()ing it |
| 22:03 |
khonkhortisan |
__newindex really doesn't make sense. What is its purpose? a read-only table? Because it fails at that. |
| 22:04 |
Uberi |
it tries to be a readonly table, I guess |
| 22:05 |
khonkhortisan |
Then it needs more than just __newindex. |
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Exio |
lol |
| 22:09 |
Exio |
added + (rand()%15) |
| 22:09 |
khonkhortisan |
Does this come with a picture? |
| 22:09 |
Exio |
at the end of all the color things (setRed/G/B) |
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| 22:23 |
khonkhortisan |
A shallow copy of node definitions wouldn't work, because tiles can be a table and special_tiles can hold a table of tables |
| 22:24 |
Uberi |
are those tables protected? |
| 22:24 |
jordan4ibanez |
wow this should be in the default game, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5600 this wouldn't make anyone angry, and it's neat |
| 22:25 |
Uberi |
that is pretty cool |
| 22:25 |
Uberi |
but it could use a better background tecture |
| 22:25 |
khonkhortisan |
The tables are protected only by __newindex, which keeps you from adding stuff, but allows you to change stuff. |
| 22:25 |
Uberi |
khonkhortisan: no problem, override_node would use new tables, after all |
| 22:26 |
khonkhortisan |
it would have to be a deep copy |
| 22:26 |
[0gb_us] |
It's a bit Minecrafty, but other than that, it'd be useful for several reasons. |
| 22:26 |
khonkhortisan |
I saw someone using it, and they were suprised the mese went into the wall |
| 22:26 |
Uberi |
khonkhortisan: why a deep copy? we're not modifying those nested tables |
| 22:27 |
jordan4ibanez |
minetest is minecrafty, should I say that we maybe should remove minetest from minetest because it is too minecrafty? |
| 22:27 |
Uberi |
only replacing them |
| 22:27 |
khonkhortisan |
So it's like a trophy case? |
| 22:27 |
[0gb_us] |
Oh, wait. Does it use entities? If so, it should NOT be in default. |
| 22:27 |
Uberi |
what's wrong with entities? |
| 22:27 |
jordan4ibanez |
^exactly, the new limit is 500 |
| 22:28 |
[0gb_us] |
Several things. Entities apparently still clone themselves, as well as slow down the server. And if too many are close by, the delete themselves. |
| 22:28 |
Uberi |
yeah the item dupe glitch is a really big problem |
| 22:29 |
Uberi |
basically if you can do it reliably, you can obtain infinite resources in survival |
| 22:29 |
khonkhortisan |
If the limit is 500, and map blocks are 16 wide, that only lets us fill the world with 12% item frames |
| 22:29 |
[0gb_us] |
Pluss any other entities in use. |
| 22:31 |
jordan4ibanez |
we can spawn the same entity which it is built off of, should we remove item entities from the default game too? So what that there are engine glitches, this is a cool, and interesting thing that would make the game more interesting. |
| 22:31 |
jordan4ibanez |
if you don't want to include a mod because of engine bugs, FIX THOSE BUGS |
| 22:32 |
[0gb_us] |
If they knew how to fix them, they'd be fixed. For now, why add more bugginess? |
| 22:32 |
[0gb_us] |
The engine isn't ready for more entities. Yet. |
| 22:32 |
jordan4ibanez |
Because it's awesome! And it is! |
| 22:33 |
[0gb_us] |
Then add it to YOUR server, not common. Don't force buggy things on everyone. |
| 22:34 |
jordan4ibanez |
It's not forcing buggy things on people, because it's NOT buggy! :D |
| 22:34 |
[0gb_us] |
Entities ARE buggy, so anything that uses entities IS buggy because of it. |
| 22:35 |
jordan4ibanez |
Well you are an entity, are you saying that you are buggy, if you are buggy how do I know your point is valid, since your AI could be flawed! Therefore, your point is null. :D |
| 22:35 |
* Uberi |
errors attempting to index null |
| 22:35 |
[0gb_us] |
No, entities in Minetest. You're the one with AI as opposed to real I. |
| 22:36 |
jordan4ibanez |
See, your sentences are not making sense, I think you are crashing. |
| 22:37 |
Uberi |
it's OK, I'll just clean up the junk with an `rm -rf /` |
| 22:37 |
[0gb_us] |
AI is artificial intelligence. "Real I" is real intelligence. Your logic is invalid and you don't think things through. |
| 22:37 |
jordan4ibanez |
So you are saying that you are artificial? I guess that would explain your inability to process a creative thought. :3 |
| 22:38 |
[0gb_us] |
No, I'm saying YOUR intelligence is artificial. |
| 22:38 |
[0gb_us] |
"You're the one with AI as opposed to real I." |
| 22:39 |
jordan4ibanez |
How do you know if my intelligence is artificial if all you know me as, is words? Probably because of a bottleneck in your programming. See? You have bad AI. |
| 22:39 |
[0gb_us] |
I can tell that much of your logic makes no sense. I'm not the one with AI. |
| 22:40 |
[0gb_us] |
Not only now, but in many things you post. |
| 22:40 |
jordan4ibanez |
I see you must be cleverbot. No AI would admit that they had limited AI. |
| 22:40 |
[0gb_us] |
I have ZERO AI, as I have real I. |
| 22:40 |
jordan4ibanez |
So you are I? |
| 22:41 |
Uberi |
I don't know what you're arguing about, but I can say that both of you are making progressively less sense |
| 22:41 |
[0gb_us] |
No, I have real intelligence. |
| 22:41 |
[0gb_us] |
Uberi: He's trying to say I'm a robot. |
| 22:41 |
jordan4ibanez |
But what would real intelligence be defined as? |
| 22:42 |
Uberi |
er, what are these claims based on? |
| 22:42 |
[0gb_us] |
For one thing, I'm not a robot, and for another, I can actually form a valid argument, unlike you. |
| 22:42 |
[0gb_us] |
I don't know what his claims are based on. |
| 22:42 |
jordan4ibanez |
See, I am human, I have flawed intelligence, your AI is almost perfect, therefore you are a robot. |
| 22:43 |
[0gb_us] |
I HAVE NO AI, I AM NOT A ROBOT. |
| 22:43 |
[0gb_us] |
Stop acting like a fool. |
| 22:43 |
[0gb_us] |
Oh wait, it's not an act. |
| 22:43 |
[0gb_us] |
My bad. |
| 22:44 |
jordan4ibanez |
Only robots could spell so perfectly, why have I not caught one spelling or gramatical error in your output? There's only one explenation, 0gb_us is a robot. |
| 22:44 |
Exio |
the answer is.. |
| 22:44 |
Exio |
42! |
| 22:45 |
[0gb_us] |
The spelling is because I use spell check. The grammar is because I'm not an idiot. |
| 22:45 |
* [0gb_us] |
grabs Excalibur's cane, points it at jordan4ibanez, and exclaims "FOOL!" |
| 22:46 |
jordan4ibanez |
Only robots could be so angered by the fact that organic beings point out the perfection of their AI. You robot. |
| 22:47 |
[0gb_us] |
My issue it that you're calling it AI. It isn't. Please stop being a troll. |
| 22:47 |
jordan4ibanez |
So you're admitting to being a robot? |
| 22:47 |
[0gb_us] |
No. |
| 22:48 |
[0gb_us] |
Robots have AI, as I said, I don't have AI. |
| 22:48 |
jordan4ibanez |
Then how do you function without your AI? |
| 22:49 |
* [0gb_us] |
puts jordan4ibanez in his IRC client's ignore list |
| 22:49 |
Exio |
the ignore list is not in the RFC! |
| 22:49 |
[0gb_us] |
SO? |
| 22:49 |
[0gb_us] |
*So? |
| 22:49 |
jordan4ibanez |
Ahh, you fought well robot, your AI is almost perfect, but I know who you truly are! |
| 22:50 |
[0gb_us] |
My issue was with people claiming my client was bogus for not implementing non-standard things that they want. |
| 22:50 |
Uberi |
if it's not in the IRC, add it to the IRC! |
| 22:50 |
[0gb_us] |
Extra features are fine, provided people don't try to claim that clients that lack them are a problem. |
| 22:50 |
Uberi |
the humans want to communicate more effectively |
| 22:51 |
[0gb_us] |
That's fine. THis human just wants people to not claim his client is bogus. |
| 22:51 |
[0gb_us] |
When my client did nothing wrong. |
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[0gb_us] |
Besides, my client doesn't really even have an ignore list. It's just an excuse to pretend I can't see his posts. |
| 22:54 |
jordan4ibanez |
Well maybe you should program your client to work better with your AI |
| 22:54 |
Uberi |
:P |
| 22:56 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
How do i make a mod use a blender file for the entity |
| 22:56 |
Uberi |
jojoa1997|Tablet: export the blend as a .x |
| 22:56 |
Uberi |
you need to enable to DirectX exporter first though |
| 22:56 |
Uberi |
Ctrl+Alt+U -> Addons -> search for it |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
so how do i export it |
| 22:59 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
nvm found it |
| 22:59 |
Uberi |
sprinkle fairy dust on it and wish very hard |
| 22:59 |
VanessaE |
hi all. |
| 23:00 |
Uberi |
o/ VanessaE |
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* jojoa1997|Tablet |
will have to learn blender and C++ this summer |
| 23:02 |
jordan4ibanez |
look up basic tutorials |
| 23:02 |
jordan4ibanez |
I'll never get used to steam on linux |
| 23:03 |
lordcirth |
jordan4ibanez, TF2 on Linux is great |
| 23:03 |
jordan4ibanez |
I know, it's really fast too, but I'm just so used to the years where I ran steam with winetricks and in pclinuxos kde edition that when steam just works, it's like a surprise |
| 23:06 |
Exio |
hi VanessaE |
| 23:08 |
[0gb_us] |
Hey, VanessaE. |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
how do i attach a mesh to an entity |
| 23:09 |
VanessaE |
with staples? ;-) |
| 23:09 |
Uberi |
jojoa1997|Tablet: visual="mesh" |
| 23:10 |
Uberi |
superglue tends to backfire if you need to replace it later |
| 23:10 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
and mesh = "***.png" |
| 23:10 |
Uberi |
correct |
| 23:10 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
i know |
| 23:10 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
sticky pistons |
| 23:10 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
oh and btw |
| 23:10 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
with minitest i am focusing on the mobs so i can get the basic materials going |
| 23:10 |
Uberi |
sticky pistons? |
| 23:10 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
mesecons |
| 23:11 |
Uberi |
I'd be one to know that :) |
| 23:11 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
though first i need to define emeralds and other |
| 23:11 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
maybe i will use an edited version of mobf instead |
| 23:11 |
jordan4ibanez |
Jojoa: you need to make a mesh, take a screen shot, print it out, glue it to your screen, open minetest, spawn the entity, move it so that the picture is over the entity, there, you've meshed an entity\ |
| 23:12 |
Uberi |
jordan4ibanez: you didn't close the glue's lid afterwards! the glue dried out! |
| 23:12 |
jordan4ibanez |
oops |
| 23:12 |
Uberi |
the glue's parents blame you for its death |
| 23:12 |
Uberi |
they successfully sue you for millions of dollars in damages |
| 23:12 |
* jojoa1997|Tablet |
goes and jumps off a mountain in florida |
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Uberi |
the resulting money is given to charity to help less fortunate glues |
| 23:13 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
one problem |
| 23:13 |
jordan4ibanez |
DAMN |
| 23:14 |
jordan4ibanez |
lordcirth: do you play champions of regnum/ |
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* jojoa1997|Tablet |
throw his nexus out the window |
| 23:14 |
lordcirth |
jordan4ibanez, no? |
| 23:15 |
[0gb_us] |
Staples sound good. Is there a stapler plugin? |
| 23:15 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. SHEEP IS THE MOST FAMOUS MOB IN MINECRAFT AND I CAN'T FIND A SINGLE BLENDER FILE!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:15 |
MiJyn |
hi |
| 23:15 |
[0gb_us] |
Hello. |
| 23:15 |
MiJyn |
jojoa1997|Tablet: umm...... make one yourself? |
| 23:16 |
Uberi |
jojoa1997|Tablet: what about the Simple Mobs one? |
| 23:16 |
Uberi |
there's already 3D sheep in that mod |
| 23:16 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
i just downloaded blender i dont know how to make stuff |
| 23:16 |
jordan4ibanez |
Oh my gosh jojoa, I think you woke up the people in -dev with that war cry |
| 23:16 |
Uberi |
uh oh |
| 23:16 |
MiJyn |
jojoa1997|Tablet: http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=a98a1fce7528ba99398a933aa660b4f7 |
| 23:16 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
wiat |
| 23:16 |
MiJyn |
jojoa1997|Tablet: Convert it then to blender |
| 23:16 |
Uberi |
also try Blendswap, they're really the best |
| 23:17 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
i want to be able to use the minecraft mob textures |
| 23:17 |
jordan4ibanez |
Texture map them then |
| 23:17 |
[0gb_us] |
Ah, for minitest? |
| 23:17 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
yes |
| 23:18 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
i want to get materials out of the way |
| 23:18 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
like leather armor but i cant until i make cows |
| 23:18 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
idea |
| 23:18 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
use mobf |
| 23:18 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
i just convert minecraft models to .x |
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mauvebic |
i should bring back my "no fornicating with sheep" sign :p |
| 23:20 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
? |
| 23:20 |
Uberi |
jojoa1997|Tablet: er, you should probably make sure the licenses are compatible |
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| 23:21 |
mauvebic |
too old :p |
| 23:21 |
mauvebic |
what uberi said too |
| 23:21 |
Uberi |
CC is a safe bet |
| 23:21 |
mauvebic |
theres a difference between being called copycats and doing something that might not be entirely legal |
| 23:21 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
what licenses for what |
| 23:21 |
Uberi |
jojoa1997|Tablet: the blends, of course |
| 23:22 |
Uberi |
most licenses at least leaglly require you to credit the authors |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
you know what i will make my own |
| 23:22 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
i did keep track who made what |
| 23:22 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
but i think it will be a learning experience |
| 23:22 |
mauvebic |
check out google warehouse, you can convert collada's to x (with varying results) |
| 23:23 |
Uberi |
good idea, jojoa1997|Tablet |
| 23:23 |
mauvebic |
thats where i found most of the missing ocean liners i wanted |
| 23:23 |
Uberi |
you'll love blender |
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| 23:23 |
mauvebic |
not sure about that lol |
| 23:23 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
that and i cant open the files or convert them |
| 23:23 |
mauvebic |
my wife had infintely more patience to learn the interface than i did lol |
| 23:24 |
mauvebic |
but hey she puts up with me so obviously... lol |
| 23:24 |
Uberi |
mauvebic: 2.49? |
| 23:24 |
Uberi |
those were the days |
| 23:24 |
Uberi |
2.6x is so much more usable now, anyone can learn it |
| 23:25 |
mauvebic |
2.63 |
| 23:25 |
mauvebic |
im on arch here :p |
| 23:25 |
mauvebic |
i dont like how any toolbar can become any other toolbar, that confuses me lol |
| 23:26 |
mauvebic |
sweet jesus i finally finished all the cabin windows on Queen Mary lol |
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Uberi |
that sounds like a lot of work |
| 23:26 |
mauvebic |
i had a stack of 1000 windows, roughly 60 left lol |
| 23:27 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
ok so |
| 23:27 |
mauvebic |
and people say meshes takes all the hard work away lol |
| 23:35 |
jordan4ibanez |
They would, we could have 3d torches |
| 23:36 |
Uberi |
we do have 3D torches, just not slanted ones though |
| 23:38 |
jordan4ibanez |
How am I even supposed to answer this"? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=84246#p84246 |
| 23:38 |
jordan4ibanez |
Yes exactly, that's the issue, our torches are slanted, but 2d, or they're not and 3d |
| 23:39 |
Uberi |
jordan4ibanez: obviously, the correct solution is to install PC Registry Mechanic 2008 and CoolWebSearch |
| 23:39 |
Uberi |
afterwards, download some more RAM to make it run faster |
| 23:40 |
jordan4ibanez |
I'd rather have ccleaner, defraggler, bleachbit, and advanced system care for a faster, cleaner pc, or call me at 1-111-101-0101 |
| 23:40 |
mauvebic |
"how do i get the lag from minetest" he wants more lag? |
| 23:40 |
jordan4ibanez |
Oh sorry, I thought I was a commercial for a second |
| 23:40 |
Uberi |
why ccleaner when you already have bleachbit? |
| 23:40 |
jordan4ibanez |
BECAUSE MORE CLEAN ARE BETTER! |
| 23:40 |
Exio |
lol jordan4ibanez |
| 23:41 |
jordan4ibanez |
I think I've completely mentally given up today lol |
| 23:41 |
mauvebic |
i remember friends who had half a dozen antiviruses and malware dectetors running at the same time, saying "im totally secure!" but couldn't understand why nothing else ran properly/quickly lol |
| 23:41 |
Uberi |
bwahahaha |
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Uberi |
here's how you get a fully secure PC: |
| 23:41 |
Uberi |
1. unplug the power cord |
| 23:41 |
mauvebic |
and im like "how about not clicking on random shit?" and the dumbfounded look on their faces lol |
| 23:42 |
Uberi |
let's see these crackers break into my turned-off PC |
| 23:42 |
jordan4ibanez |
You need a multicore cpu to run more than 1 virus protector and notepad |
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| 23:45 |
mauvebic |
call me paranoid but im reasonably convinced antivirus companies write alot of viruses, ive never had as many problems as when i ran one |
| 23:45 |
mauvebic |
companies that make a living out of solving problems have no interest (financial or otherwise) in actually solving said problem |
| 23:46 |
jordan4ibanez |
If you don't 100% trust/understand the program you install to keep viruses away, you are likely to have fake viruses installed into your pc |
| 23:46 |
mauvebic |
they throw up alot of false positives to keep people edgy that much i know |
| 23:47 |
mauvebic |
though, adblocker + noscript does the trick nicely for browsers, and if youre dumb enough to download something youre not sure about, you deserve your troubles |
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Uberi |
don't forget having a good firewall |
| 23:47 |
jordan4ibanez |
My friend has a virus protector on his laptop which calls minetest/minecraft a virus |
| 23:48 |
Uberi |
the firewall is a big one, too |
| 23:48 |
jordan4ibanez |
Gambit, can you add support for my cauldron in your fancy texture pack? |
| 23:48 |
Gambit |
"I am not the Gambit from the Minetest forums." |
| 23:49 |
mauvebic |
busy day on twitter lol |
| 23:49 |
jordan4ibanez |
Well then do a funny trick then damnit |
| 23:51 |
mauvebic |
first question that pops into most minds on slashdot: which civil liberties will be the next to go lol |
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| 23:51 |
jordan4ibanez |
Yeah exactly, we're thinking of moving out of the US |
| 23:52 |
mauvebic |
well if you think other governments won't overreact as well... |
| 23:52 |
Uberi |
boston marathon event confirmed as bombing apparently |
| 23:52 |
mauvebic |
in canada weve been fighting this internet-spying bill for a long time, it might finally go through |
| 23:52 |
lordcirth |
does dirt_with_grass not grow underground? I can't find the abm, is it in the C++ ? |
| 23:52 |
Octupus |
Everyone Gambit is from minecraft |
| 23:53 |
Octupus |
I see him in there irc channel |
| 23:53 |
[0gb_us] |
It needs enough light to grow. Put a torch on it. |
| 23:53 |
mauvebic |
though i doubt the conservative party will have any staying power at the next election, they really fumbled with abortion and temporary foreign workers program |
| 23:53 |
mauvebic |
plus the liberals found their own ronald reagan of sorts |
| 23:54 |
lordcirth |
[0gb_us], I have 2 torches right beside it, will try putting it on top |
| 23:54 |
[0gb_us] |
I think it has to be one on top. |
| 23:54 |
Uberi |
mauvebic: I sure hope not |
| 23:55 |
[0gb_us] |
It only takes one, but it may have to be on top. |
| 23:55 |
mauvebic |
uberi you canadian? i thought you were down south |
| 23:55 |
[0gb_us] |
Also, sometimes it takes a long time to grow. |
| 23:56 |
mauvebic |
though the libs are nuts if they think trudeau jr will be any more popular in Quebec than his father was lol |
| 23:56 |
Uberi |
nah mauvebic, I'm in the GTA |
| 23:56 |
mauvebic |
GTA? i grew up there, in Markham |
| 23:56 |
mauvebic |
back then it was mostly fields lol |
| 23:57 |
Uberi |
yeah urban sprawl's on its way |
| 23:57 |
mauvebic |
my best memory is my parents signing up to the Toronto Zoo summer camp program, i loved that place before they redid the whole thing |
| 23:58 |
mauvebic |
they basically closed all the paths going through dense vegetation so you're always walking in the sun (and thir$ty) |
| 23:58 |
mauvebic |
also miss the monorail lol |
| 23:58 |
Uberi |
and the water costs like 6 bucks a bottle |
| 23:59 |
Uberi |
a smart business move, though |
| 23:59 |
mauvebic |
seriously lol it sucks now |
| 23:59 |
Uberi |
Wonderland does the same thing |
| 23:59 |
mauvebic |
well smart, people like me dont go anymore, even when we do visit |
| 23:59 |
lordcirth |
[0gb_us], worked, after a while. thx |
| 23:59 |
mauvebic |
sprawl is a bitch, but its happening in montreal too, belatedly but still |
