Time  Nick               Message
00:00 VanessaE           now now, my code isn't bad - it's functional, clean, and valid according to the w3c
00:00 VanessaE           (except for one case where I had to violate the "standard" to get something to work right)
00:00 Uberi              VanessaE: like target="_blank"! why did they remove that!
00:01 [0gb_us]           If it doesn't validate as strict XHTML, it isn't truly clean, it's only "clean enough". But "clean enough" isn't clean enough, if you ask me.
00:01 Exio               Uberi: depends of the question the programmer says
00:01 khonkhortisan      minetest isn't clean enough, it leaks memory and segfaults
00:01 [0gb_us]           target="_blank" is annoying to users.
00:01 Uberi              not sure I understand, Exio
00:01 Uberi              [0gb_us]: but it does have legitimate uses, you would admit?
00:01 [0gb_us]           If users want a new tab, they specify that themselves.
00:01 Exio               Uberi: you don't say that just for the lulz and from nothing
00:01 VanessaE           Uberi: no, actually in this case it had to do with how I got the embedded directory listing in my "Minetest" page of the website to work.
00:02 [0gb_us]           Very VERY few legitimate uses. It' HIGHLY abused.
00:02 Uberi              [0gb_us]: of course, but that doesn't justify making it impossible to bring about said legitimate uses
00:02 VanessaE           I don't remember what it was now, but some dumb-ass restriction in where I could put one tag versus another (which were supposed to be mutually exclusive, but needed to be used together for the effect to work)
00:02 Uberi              it's all about balancing it
00:02 Exio               [0gb_us]: ALL the stuff is abused IN BAD WAYS
00:02 VanessaE           brb
00:02 khonkhortisan      If I'm writing a comment on github, and I click on the files changed to reference it, I want it to open in a new tab.
00:03 Uberi              VanessaE: like putting block elements inside <a> tags?
00:03 Uberi              that was annoying to work around
00:03 Exio               and because that, we need to stop using javascript, the internet
00:03 [0gb_us]           Then that's the browser failing to implement the standard correctly. That's no excuse for bad code, bad code just gives browsers an excuse not to catch up with the standard.
00:04 [0gb_us]           Block elements should never be in an <a/> tag.
00:04 paxcoder           wrong
00:04 paxcoder           new std allows this
00:04 Uberi              paxcoder: I am fully aware
00:04 [0gb_us]           "STD"?
00:04 Uberi              (short for standard)
00:04 * [0gb_us]         only knows of sexually transmitted diseases
00:04 khonkhortisan      your browser has internet stds
00:05 Menche             c++ programs use std namespaces
00:05 [0gb_us]           I'm not on WIndows, so no it doesn't.
00:05 Uberi              salivating transcendental diasporas
00:05 khonkhortisan      std::map
00:05 paxcoder           apparently, windows do not gain focus depending on what i'm looking at
00:05 paxcoder           i also joined #std for some reason
00:06 Uberi              khonkhortisan: btw I can confirm the issue (#93) but don't have time to fix it right now
00:06 khonkhortisan      k
00:06 paxcoder           [0gb_us], std is a std way to abbreviate standard
00:06 paxcoder           (in computing lingo anyway)
00:07 paxcoder           stdlib.h
00:07 paxcoder           libstdc++
00:07 khonkhortisan      standard is a standard way to expand std
00:08 Menche             std is a std way to abbreviate standard
00:08 khonkhortisan      yes, pax just said that
00:08 Menche             oh, didn't see that
00:08 khonkhortisan      and you copied it exactly :)
00:09 khonkhortisan      no information was lost in the double translation
00:10 paxcoder           let's talk about why we dislike "bad" languages
00:10 Uberi              we dislike "bad" languages?
00:10 paxcoder           Uberi, Exio, care to start with JS?
00:11 Exio               with what?
00:11 khonkhortisan      lua can create, copy, and delete files, but can't do anything with directories. You must create a function to copy tables, or split strings.
00:11 [0gb_us]           Lua indexes from one. BAD. Python treats indention as syntax. BAD. English is full of inconsistencies. BAD.
00:11 Uberi              Exio: I believe he meant JavaScript
00:11 paxcoder           With ECMAScript, Exio
00:11 Exio               but i mean, with what? a webpage? :P
00:11 Uberi              [0gb_us]: 1 based indexing is quite intuitive for new users, from my experiences
00:11 paxcoder           no, you personally
00:11 khonkhortisan      I could see how a whitespace error would be bad
00:11 lordcirth          [0gb_us], well at least python forces you to be neat :)
00:12 khonkhortisan      whether you use zero or one, you're still going to be off by one anyway
00:12 Exio               lordcirth: => bad code
00:12 Uberi              I know there is a rationale for 0 based indexing, but ask someone to count to something and they will almost always start with 1, 2, 3...
00:12 Uberi              the aim of programming is letting the human tell the computer what to do, not the other way around
00:12 paxcoder           khonkhortisan, hehe
00:12 lordcirth          Uberi, true say
00:12 [0gb_us]           lordcirth: I'm much neater when I can use proper indention as opposed to forced indention.
00:12 khonkhortisan      then you get into the field of natural language programming
00:12 [0gb_us]           Python forces me to be LESS neat than usual.
00:13 paxcoder           khonkhortisan, let's not go there
00:13 Uberi              paxcoder: I don't really like the way JS does certain things, such as bitwise operations/numbers in general
00:13 paxcoder           that field doesn't exist
00:13 Exio               paxcoder: i like JS and know some, i don't get the answer :P
00:13 Uberi              but hey, it works in the browser, I can't complain there
00:13 khonkhortisan      I should make a natural language hello world, just to see how weird it is-
00:14 paxcoder           Uberi, try to formalize some more
00:14 Exio               use only english-and-common words as keywords for it
00:14 Uberi              paxcoder: wrt specific things I dislike?
00:14 [0gb_us]           Actually, getting all browsers to render JavaScript well without resorting to hacky code is a pain in the rear.
00:14 paxcoder           Uberi, yes
00:14 Uberi              sure thing
00:14 paxcoder           [0gb_us], how do you "render" JS?
00:14 Uberi              JS numbers are all internally represented as doubles
00:15 paxcoder           Uberi, ouch
00:15 Uberi              (I mean 64 bit floating point numbers, 6 bit exponent)
00:15 [0gb_us]           Or rather, "interpret", not "render". My bad.
00:15 Uberi              that means you lose a TON of precision with big numbers and can't do math properly, essentially
00:15 khonkhortisan      that sounds really bad to not have even a little control over your variable types
00:16 paxcoder           khonkhortisan, yes it does. Makes me have doubts about #asm.js
00:16 Uberi              also since numbers are all actually floats, bitwise operations are... well, you can guess
00:17 khonkhortisan      shifted?
00:17 Uberi              well, for one bitwise operations work by rounding the numbers to ints, performing the operation, then converting the int back to a float
00:18 paxcoder           a major source of problems is + being the concat operator for strings as well as a numerical operator for addition
00:18 Exio               duck typing?
00:18 paxcoder           the truth table is messed up as well
00:18 paxcoder           Exio, no, just dynamic typing
00:18 Exio               then try duck typing
00:19 paxcoder           in JS not everything is an object
00:19 Uberi              weak typing is more of an issue
00:19 Exio               i like weak typing at some point :P
00:19 Uberi              python handles polymorphism fine, because it is strongly typed
00:19 khonkhortisan      touch typing you've lost me
00:19 Exio               Uberi: python...?
00:19 Uberi              JS is weakly typed so polymorphism can get pretty confusing
00:19 paxcoder           grr.. did i miss anything?
00:19 Uberi              Exio: yep
00:19 Uberi              just one line
00:19 Uberi              "(8:19:39 PM) Uberi: JS is weakly typed so polymorphism can get pretty confusing"
00:20 WiredOnLinux       I love the new Website
00:20 Uberi              it's quite lovely, yes
00:20 Uberi              mobile friendly too, from my tests this morning
00:21 Exio               Uberi: i don't see how can python be "strongly typed" :P
00:21 Uberi              Exio: strongly typed means that things that are of one type, such as a str, don't suddenly turn into another type
00:21 Exio               strongly + dynamic you mean?
00:22 Uberi              yep
00:22 Uberi              strong/weak and dynamic/static are independent
00:22 Exio               i think i'm a bit weird, i like C weak typing :P
00:22 Uberi              well when you have polymorphism, it can get pretty messy
00:23 Uberi              for example, paxcoder gave the example of adding two things together
00:23 Uberi              "1"+"2"=="12", but 1+2==3
00:23 Exio               in those cases, yes
00:23 Uberi              this is not a big problem when you already know what the types are
00:24 paxcoder           actually, it is
00:24 Uberi              but if the language can essentially change the types around at will, it becomes a problem
00:24 paxcoder           hmm
00:24 paxcoder           my interpreter (chromium) concatinets if any of the args is a string
00:25 paxcoder           *concatenates
00:25 paxcoder           i think i saw somewhere it should add if the first thing is a number
00:25 khonkhortisan      what if the string won't turn into a number?
00:25 Exio               i would like to write a type checker just for the lulz
00:26 Uberi              khonkhortisan: the computer shuts down after sending nuclear launch codes off to north korea
00:26 Exio               i should do, a pre-processor and that stuff :P
00:26 Exio               lol Uberi
00:26 paxcoder           khonkhortisan, it doesn't
00:26 khonkhortisan      then I shall stay away
00:26 paxcoder           it's always a string
00:26 paxcoder           * always string concatenation
00:26 Exio               xD
00:26 Uberi              be back in a bit
00:27 paxcoder           also if you prepend a 0 to a number, suddenly it's octal base
00:27 paxcoder           *number literal
00:28 khonkhortisan      add a zero, multiply, take the zero, you have encryption
00:28 paxcoder           wat
00:28 Exio               "ERROR: The typechecker failed" suddenly "Sending nuclear launch codes ... b[OK]"
00:28 khonkhortisan      very weak encryption
00:28 Exio               er, fail, the [ok] should be green :P
00:29 paxcoder           khonkhortisan, that's called encoding
00:29 Exio               khonkhortisan: i always use rot13 two times for my password files
00:29 Exio               rot26 ftw!
00:29 khonkhortisan      Error: The typechecker failed. Sending nuclear launch codes [OK]
00:29 NakedFury          what is rot13?
00:30 Exio               http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rot13 this explains what rot13 pretty well :P
00:30 khonkhortisan      I'll get bad data if I don't decode the rot13 :)
00:30 [0gb_us]           It's a Caesar Cipher, with a rotation of 13.
00:30 khonkhortisan      you need to store a variable for how many times it was done so the cracker doesn't get confused
00:30 khonkhortisan      and try to use it without decoding
00:31 paxcoder           oh i found it
00:31 paxcoder           '5' + 3 gives '53', whereas '5' - 3 gives 2
00:31 khonkhortisan      weird
00:31 paxcoder           implicit cast, because - is an arithmetic operator
00:31 Exio               v1 - (-1 * v2)
00:31 khonkhortisan      the minus forces arithmetic
00:32 paxcoder           that is, only an arithmetic operator
00:32 paxcoder           which is what + should be too
00:32 Exio               what about "abc" - "b" ?
00:32 Exio               ac?
00:32 paxcoder           NaN
00:32 khonkhortisan      stuff = '5' bool = true while true print(stuff) if bool then stuff = stuff + 3 else stuff = stuff - 3 end bool = not bool end
00:33 khonkhortisan      5 53 51 513 511 5113 5111
00:33 khonkhortisan      whoops I can't add
00:33 khonkhortisan      :)
00:33 paxcoder           haha, check it:
00:33 paxcoder           '5'-'2'+1
00:33 paxcoder            4
00:33 paxcoder           1 + '5'-'2'
00:33 paxcoder           13
00:34 paxcoder           (left to right evaluation obviously)
00:34 khonkhortisan      left to right
00:34 paxcoder           khonkhortisan, TYPE FASTER ;-P
00:34 khonkhortisan      that's how long it took me to think
00:34 paxcoder           haha
00:35 paxcoder           anyway, PHP now?
00:36 Exio               scheme
00:36 Exio               or racket
00:36 paxcoder           btw. if someone wants to be mind-boggled, here's JS' truth table: http://stackoverflow.com/a/1998224
00:36 paxcoder           Exio, what about them?
00:37 Exio               paxcoder: their syntax is freaking awesome
00:37 khonkhortisan      left side decides - first is string, second is number
00:37 paxcoder           Exio, are you being sarcastic? because i really think so
00:37 Exio               paxcoder: nope
00:37 paxcoder           khonkhortisan, not always, see false == '0'
00:37 Exio               it is really awesome, when you get used to it
00:38 paxcoder           i don't think it's very practical, but it's awesome because it's simple
00:38 paxcoder           super-parsable
00:38 [0gb_us]           Minetest now keeps crashing on me, but only when I log out .... This is odd, but amusing.
00:38 Exio               paxcoder: why not?
00:38 khonkhortisan      it turns '0' into 0, and 'false' into a number repres...? hmm
00:39 paxcoder           Exio, i don't like to match parentheses. Also, I like my arithmetic operators to be inline
00:39 Exio               i like the idea of (+ x (* a (- b c))) :P
00:39 Exio               (i started hating it)
00:40 paxcoder           as much as this is fun: (+ 1 2 3 4), this isn't: (+ (- (+1 2) 3 (+ 4 5) 6) 1)
00:40 Exio               you are sure what you are doing, and you are doing useless stuff in there :P
00:41 Uberi              [0gb_us]: using a new build?
00:41 Exio               you would need to use () to be sure the stuff gets "in some order" in other programming language
00:41 Exio               wb Uberi :P
00:41 [0gb_us]           No, stable build.
00:41 Uberi              p/
00:41 Uberi              [0gb_us]: aw, in that case I have no idea
00:41 [0gb_us]           No debug info, just a segfault ...
00:42 paxcoder           Exio, i have a syntax error. well i'm not going to go through the bother of correcting it just to prove that it's a bother ;-)
00:42 Uberi              paxcoder: well I think the higher order stuff makes up for it in certain applications
00:42 paxcoder           i like SML better
00:42 [0gb_us]           Also, it only happens with a very minimalistic game. A game that only defines the nodes needed for mapgen.
00:42 paxcoder           ML*
00:42 Exio               well, ML syntax is awesome, too
00:42 [0gb_us]           OH! I forgot to define the hand. Maybe that's the issue.
00:42 Uberi              I'm a bit torn on the syntax
00:43 paxcoder           the syntax of ML is much more complex
00:43 Menche             [0gb_us], i get a segfault on logout with my minimal game, too
00:43 Exio               yep
00:43 paxcoder           but it's easier to write than scheme's
00:43 Exio               Menche: git pull && make -j6
00:43 [0gb_us]           Not the game called minimal, but a game that doesn't contain much, and is therefore minimal.
00:44 Menche             yeah, not "minimal", i just defined some nodes
00:44 [0gb_us]           Oh, okay.
00:44 Uberi              anyways, I'm gonna go write some docs for Pipeworks now
00:45 ssieb              I can't get the tube to connect to a chest...
00:45 NakedFury          what docs?
00:45 Uberi              NakedFury: exactly :P
00:45 Uberi              there is currently no documentation except for the forum topic
00:46 Uberi              those of us who play a lot offline are tired of being unable to look up the recipes
00:46 NakedFury          ohh
00:46 [0gb_us]           Okay. no hand == segfault on logout. Good to know.
00:46 [0gb_us]           Adding the hand fixes it.
00:46 Guest18558         minetest runs at 30fps untill i try to break a node...then it crashes any suggestions?
00:46 NakedFury          make it all cool pdf style
00:46 Uberi              Guest18558: can you post `tail -n 100 debug.txt`?
00:46 Exio               Guest18558: any error message, in the console or so? (what can be useful)
00:47 Exio               i learned a new 'word' today
00:47 Exio               http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yo-yo_problem
00:47 alex256            19:29:31: ACTION[main]:         .__               __                   __
00:47 alex256            19:29:31: ACTION[main]:   _____ |__| ____   _____/  |_  ____   _______/  |_
00:47 alex256            19:29:31: ACTION[main]:  /     \|  |/    \_/ __ \   __\/ __ \ /  ___/\   __\
00:47 alex256            19:29:31: ACTION[main]: |  Y Y  \  |   |  \  ___/|  | \  ___/ \___ \  |  |
00:47 Uberi              Exio: unfortunately I see that all too often
00:47 alex256            19:29:31: ACTION[main]: |__|_|  /__|___|  /\___  >__|  \___  >____  > |__|
00:47 alex256            19:29:31: ACTION[main]:       \/        \/     \/          \/     \/
00:47 alex256            19:29:31: ACTION[main]: World at [/root/.minetest/worlds/1]
00:47 alex256            19:29:31: ACTION[main]: Server for gameid="minimal" listening on port 30011.
00:47 alex256            [minimal] giving initial stuff to player
00:47 alex256            19:29:32: ACTION[ServerThread]: singleplayer joins game. List of players: singleplayer
00:47 alex256            -------------
00:47 khonkhortisan      don't paste that here
00:47 Uberi              alex256: please use pasteall.org to paste your stuff
00:47 alex256            Separator
00:47 mauvebic           ?
00:47 alex256            -------------
00:48 Menche             please use pastebin.com
00:48 Exio               damn
00:48 Uberi              uh oh, his client is doing it now
00:48 khonkhortisan      we already know the minetest text logo
00:48 mauvebic           lol
00:48 alex256            sorry...
00:48 Uberi              I prefer pasteall.org because it doesn't have any captchas :)
00:48 khonkhortisan      looks like it didn't shutdown properly
00:48 Uberi              alex256: basically we just need, say, the last 100 lines
00:48 jordan4ibanez      But you can't use pastie.org for world domination
00:48 Exio               Uberi: me too, like having 5 files for adding a line in a 6th
00:49 alex256            yes it crashes
00:49 Uberi              alex256: crashes with what message?
00:49 alex256            yes
00:50 Uberi              um
00:50 Uberi              it crashed with the message, "yes"?
00:50 Menche             please post the last dozen or so lines to one of the pastebin sites mentioned
00:50 alex256            the fist run was at 30 fps ..i could run around but when i tries to break a tree it crashed
00:50 Uberi              alex256: yes, but what was the message when it crashed?
00:51 Uberi              or was there a message at all?
00:51 jordan4ibanez      we should have reusable items, like buckets, which have a renews = "item or node" addition to them, so in the crafting table, when you use a bucket of lava, it turns into a bucket
00:51 Menche             there's already something like that
00:51 Menche             called replace or something
00:52 Uberi              yeah it's for exactly this purpose too
00:52 alex256            singleplayer digs default:tree at(-96,11,608) is the last thing it says.....
00:52 Uberi              alex256: do you have any mods/custom games?
00:52 Uberi              or any other customizations?
00:52 Uberi              do you have shaders enabled?
00:53 Uberi              which game is your world using?
00:53 alex256            no just installed the puppy 0.4.6 on a spare computer
00:53 alex256            minetest_game
00:54 alex256            i can reboot the computer and play as long as i dont break a node?
00:54 Uberi              jordan4ibanez: to answer your question, use "replacements = {'bucket:bucket_lava', 'bucker:bucket_empty'}" or something like that in the craftdef
00:54 Uberi              alex256: can you paste the contents of your minetest.conf?
00:54 Uberi              it's in your minetest installation folder
00:54 jordan4ibanez      :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
00:56 jordan4ibanez      Sorry, I have a lot of mouths
00:56 alex256            http://pastie.org/7493590
00:57 Uberi              hmm, never seen that happen before
00:58 alex256            lol
00:58 Menche             looks perfectly normal
00:58 vidplace7          test more mines B-)
00:58 alex256            sure wait on minute lol'
01:00 khonkhortisan      I've read about APL, and now I don't want to loop over my array :(
01:01 Uberi              khonkhortisan: have you seen any significant APL programs yet? there's a reason they're so rare
01:01 alex256            http://pastie.org/7493620
01:01 Uberi              it's because the original programmers have all gone insane
01:01 khonkhortisan      I thought that's what happened with COBOL
01:01 Uberi              history repeats itself
01:01 khonkhortisan      running minetest as root?
01:01 khonkhortisan      What if you download a bad mod?
01:01 alex256            yes
01:01 Menche             i noticed that too
01:02 Uberi              khonkhortisan: puppy linux, he said
01:02 Uberi              by default you login as root in that distro
01:02 khonkhortisan      Does that not have users?
01:02 khonkhortisan      oh
01:02 Uberi              it's meant for live cds
01:02 khonkhortisan      I have it on my flash drive, I don't run it much
01:02 Menche             it logs you in as root?
01:02 alex256            not by default
01:02 alex256            tyes
01:03 Uberi              I might be thinking of Slax though, I've used that much more than Puppy
01:03 alex256            same version of everything on another computer works fine so i know its not mine test...
01:04 Exio               1 minute for 6mb over lan
01:06 alex256            i just find it wierd i can run around until i punh a tree or dirt....
01:07 Exio               does it segfault? what mods are you using?
01:07 alex256            i can get apples off of trees and eat them but when i try to break a node it crashes
01:07 alex256            no mods
01:07 Exio               (and playing with minimal?)
01:07 alex256            yes
01:07 alex256            both games
01:07 Exio               do you have the same problem with minetest/common?
01:08 alex256            at 30fps until i try and break a node
01:08 lordcirth          puppy still logs in as root by default afaik, but you can su to 'fido'
01:08 Uberi              wait wait you're playing the minimal game?
01:09 alex256            i have tried both
01:09 alex256            same result
01:10 Exio               what is the output of your terminal? "Segfault"? or what?
01:11 alex256            let me include ...only 64 mb of video memory....maybe that is whats doing it...just wierd i can run aroud with 30 fps and eat apples ...only when i break a node does the game crash...wierd?
01:12 jordan4ibanez      should there be a black cauldron you can make with coal?
01:12 Exio               i don't think that can be a problem with minimal
01:12 Uberi              also it's wierd how the exact same thing works on your other computer
01:12 Exio               it works here with 8~ MB <what the bios says> of video memory :)
01:12 alex256            let me download 0.3.1 and see if i have the same results
01:12 Exio               ehm..
01:13 Exio               30kb/s IN LAN
01:13 Exio               this wireless is awesome
01:21 lordcirth          Exio, but your computer is probably allocating RAM to the GPU as well
01:21 lordcirth          maybe his isn't
01:21 Exio               lordcirth: ?
01:21 khonkhortisan      Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo!
01:21 Exio               k, this is getting weird
01:21 lordcirth          Exio, you said you have 8MB VRAM, but most OS's will assign RAM to graphics as needed
01:21 khonkhortisan      If you can understand that...
01:22 Exio               lordcirth: ram to the graphics? how would that work? (this is a netbook - btw)
01:23 lordcirth          Exio, if you run low on VRAM, most OS's will set aside spare RAM for the graphics card - its a bit slower than accesing VRAM but better than crashing
01:23 Exio               i didn't know that
01:23 lordcirth          for example, I have a 1GB card but its allowed to take up to 2GB of my RAM if it needs to
01:24 Exio               any codename for that? i'd like to search more about it
01:25 Exio               and i don't even have a full gb of ram here (1gb - gpu vram - etc)
01:25 Exio               -/+ buffers/cache:         70        920
01:26 lordcirth          Exio, can't think of/remember what its called - and now that I think about it, I forget the command I ran to find out its assigned 2GB
01:26 lordcirth          if you only have 1GB RAM, very little/none might be allocated to GPU
01:27 Exio               exactly
01:27 Exio               hi jordan4ibanez
01:27 Exio               er, jojoa1997|Tablet
01:27 Exio               "jo<tab>"
01:27 jordan4ibanez      hello
01:27 khonkhortisan      luajit didn't make it on the jit wikipedia page
01:28 TorpedoSkyline     Hey guys, just installed Minetest and I'm having the weirdest issue... I can't create a new world to play in. xD
01:28 TorpedoSkyline     Windows 8 64-bit, official build, 0.4.6
01:28 lordcirth          TorpedoSkyline, what error msg?
01:28 TorpedoSkyline     No error message at all, it just doesn't display it in the list of worlds.
01:28 Deivan             In a formspec how I send items to the user main item list?
01:28 Exio               perm problems, seems to
01:29 lordcirth          TorpedoSkyline, so you hit New, and what happens? nothing?
01:29 Deivan             The name main don't is the correct...
01:29 Exio               lordcirth: btw, how much ram do you have? :P
01:29 lordcirth          Exio, 8GB
01:29 TorpedoSkyline     lordcirth, I hit new and it brings me to a place to enter a name and select game. Type in the name and select a game, click create, and it doesn't show up in the list.
01:30 lordcirth          Exio, full tower PC, slight advantage :)
01:30 TorpedoSkyline     As if I had done nothing.
01:30 Exio               i was going to upgrade my desktop to 12gb but the days i was going to went it rain
01:30 lordcirth          TorpedoSkyline, what OS?
01:30 TorpedoSkyline     lordcirth, Windows 8 64-bit.
01:30 jojoa1997|Tablet   Hello!
01:31 Exio               TorpedoSkyline: does that happens when you run minetest as administrator?
01:31 lordcirth          TorpedoSkyline, oh right sry. run it from cmd so you can get any error messages
01:31 TorpedoSkyline     Exio, good question...
01:31 Exio               (where do you have minetest?)
01:31 lordcirth          Exio, ya I was thinking it might be permissions
01:31 jojoa1997|Tablet   I lobe jeija's new minetest costomizer. i have a compiler without the hassle
01:31 TorpedoSkyline     C:\Program Files (x86)\Minetest-0.4.6
01:31 Exio               yep, that is the problem :P
01:31 Exio               run it in a "non-protected" directory
01:31 TorpedoSkyline     boom, yep
01:32 Exio               like "Personal files" or C:\Games or w/e
01:32 TorpedoSkyline     thanks Exio and lordcirth, that was the exactly the problem.
01:32 Exio               :D
01:32 lordcirth          np
01:35 TorpedoSkyline     this is so awesome =D
01:37 sdzen              so why the website change btw people
01:38 sdzen              I really liked the green one that was set up
01:39 khonkhortisan      the background is one of the submissions for the cloud menu
01:41 Exio               j/*
01:41 Exio               er
01:48 StarDancer         hey, I was wondering, does anyone know what's needed to make rails and power rails connect visually?
01:49 StarDancer         they both appear to chain to themselves, but will not chain to eachother, that I can see
01:49 Exio               some patches to the engine, there was some pull requests around for that
01:50 StarDancer         also, can anyone recommend a good code reader? I'm on windows, viewing stuff in notepad, and all of the indents and line returns are jumbled, so it's a great glob of difficult to decypher text
01:50 khonkhortisan      StarDancer, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/473
01:50 sdzen              so does that justify it?
01:50 sdzen              a runner up?
01:50 sdzen              :P
01:51 jojoa1997|Tablet   StarDancer notepad++
01:51 khonkhortisan      It works, it's just not merged.
01:51 Exio               StarDancer: notepad++ is pretty good imo
01:51 Exio               er
01:52 StarDancer         er, what do you mean, khonkhortisan?
01:53 khonkhortisan      That commit works perfectly for joining different types of rails. The problem is that it's still a pull request and minetest doesn't do that by default.
01:54 jordan4ibanez      in this scenario you cannot walk up the stairs on the plank of wood http://i.imgur.com/qchfFfA.png
01:55 khonkhortisan      What is the actual height you can walk up?
01:55 khonkhortisan      I assume you'd fall a little before hitting that step
01:56 NakedFury          I think the max we can climb without jumping is half a node
01:56 jordan4ibanez      you don't
01:56 NakedFury          "I think"
01:56 jordan4ibanez      since the client detects that there is no collision detection going on under you, it thinks you are falling, and will not run the code to move you upward
01:57 jordan4ibanez      this also makes it so you cannot jump, on normal nodes, if you move to the edge, you also experience the same effect with the bug in the client collision detection
01:59 khonkhortisan      there are buttons on your shoes and enough of them must be pressed for the jets to activate
02:04 Deivan             jojoa1997|Tablet, I already update the workbench.
02:04 Deivan             I need eat some...  Cya.
02:04 Deivan             AFK
02:05 Exio               "A programmer has a problem, so they decided to use threads. Now problems two they have."
02:16 lordcirth          Exio, is the Yoda grammar supposed to imply race conditions?
02:17 Exio               lordcirth: yep
02:17 Exio               other http://xkcd.com/1171/
02:18 lordcirth          Exio, ever hear the programmer's version of 99 bottles?
02:19 khonkhortisan      every time 'problems' goes the wrong way, just start over (git checkout master)
02:19 Exio               nope lordcirth
02:21 lordcirth          Exio, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=nPuHip9J
02:24 Exio               lol
02:24 lordcirth          Exio, is so true tho
02:26 Exio               most of those "jokes" are a "true" too :P
02:33 ShadowNinja        proller__: do you have screenshots of math mapgen?
02:33 proller__          go to server DEV fractal world
02:38 proller__          and fly deeep
02:38 proller__          its mandelbox
02:50 ShadowNinja        at -2000 it just stops
02:51 khonkhortisan      fractal?
02:52 ShadowNinja        math mapgen, mandelbrot I think
02:53 Exio               i would like a way to define math-functions with some functions what can "generate" the terrain
02:53 khonkhortisan      menger sponge?
02:53 hmmmm              hah
02:53 hmmmm              make it out of sponge blocks
03:02 hmmmm              welp
03:02 hmmmm              that was unproductive
03:02 hmmmm              i know why proller didn't give a screenshot too, it doesn't look flattering in 2d
03:04 VanessaE           bbl
03:04 VanessaE           sleep
03:05 Exio               wow
03:05 Exio               making grass, dirt and stone liquid but with "normal" values to walkable, buildable_to, etc
03:05 Exio               => "non blocky world" :P
03:06 Menche             you can make liquid non-walkable?
03:06 Menche             but the collisionbox would still be a full node right?
03:07 Exio               try it, it is.. weird :P
03:07 Menche             i remember someone did that with sand
03:07 Exio               aw, i'm not the only who is bored? :P
03:07 * Menche           starts making a roof out of stone... aaaa it's covering the entire hiiiillll.....
03:08 Exio               hehe
03:09 * Menche           is swept away in a flood of stone
03:09 Menche             what happens when non-walkable liquid dumps on you anyway?
03:09 Exio               00:10:34: ACTION[ServerThread]: singleplayer digs default:dirt_flowing at (442,17,824)
03:10 Exio               Menche: like sand
03:13 Exio               i have my inv full of flowing dirt, flowing stone and flowing dirt_with_grass!
03:13 Exio               :D
03:14 * Menche           starts throwing balls of liquid dirt around
03:14 Exio               the problem of having a world of full flowing nodes
03:15 Exio               from my normal 200~ FPS
03:15 Exio               it went to... 20
03:15 Menche             lol
03:15 Menche             liquids are that hard to draw?
03:15 Menche             or would it be all the calculations for flowing
03:15 Exio               no idea really
03:15 Exio               maybe the calculations, i'd say
03:16 Menche             then finite_liquids is enabled...
03:16 Exio               nah, that would make have 2 FPS
03:16 Menche             and the continent washes out to sea...
03:16 Exio               lol
03:16 khonkhortisan      Congratulations, you have unified the world.
03:17 Menche             that would be really laggy, all the caves would flow in on themselves
03:17 Exio               xD
03:21 Exio               btw Menche, i have liquid_update=0
03:21 Exio               it is not like the liquid flowing is limited or so
03:22 Exio               it flows at the speed of my cpu :P
03:24 Exio               nuu, my world is getting flat
03:25 Menche             you enabled finite_liquid?
03:25 Exio               yep
03:25 * Menche           goes to try that
03:25 Exio               xD
03:25 lordcirth          so I made a nuclear gen for Technic
03:25 lordcirth          LV
03:32 Exio               finally the kernel started working and separated the process in a proper way
03:33 Exio               now minetest is using my whole first module, and jackd is in the third :D
03:33 Exio               well, not whole, "half"
03:52 Exio               Menche: you were right
03:52 Exio               now i have half of the ocean with a dirt/stone/grass/sand "cover"
03:54 RealBadAngel       lordcirth, can i see the code?
03:54 Exio               a bit more than half :P
05:36 hmmmm              http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/132626/3d-printers-a-border-security-threat-minister
05:36 hmmmm              you can print off sheets of ecstasy tablets with 3d printers according to this guy
05:37 Exio               lemme print gold and sell it
05:37 mauvebic           dibs on 3d-printable meth :p
05:39 khonkhortisan      gotta have printer-compatible pellets, that's all
05:40 mauvebic           can a 3d printer print a 3d printer?
05:43 mauvebic           apparently so http://reprap.org/wiki/Main_Page
05:52 khonkhortisan      it can print most of it
05:58 mauvebic           lol http://mediacdn.disqus.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/269/6243/original.jpg
06:00 khonkhortisan      I never counted the screens
06:00 mauvebic           meh, most of my dvd's stopped working years ago lol
06:00 mauvebic           and if it aint that, its the 6th or 7th player that breaks down lol
06:09 [0gb_us]           Nice. I think the answer is to hack your DVD player to allow you to skip the ads.
06:09 mauvebic           aint nobody got time for dat
06:09 [0gb_us]           I know, but funny.
06:10 mauvebic           with internet speeds today, you can dl faster than sitting through all the unskippable crap lol
06:11 [0gb_us]           True. I'm watching streaming stuff quickly right now.
06:11 [0gb_us]           At has ads, but they are a lot shorter than those of paid DVDs.
06:11 [0gb_us]           *Have
06:12 mauvebic           dunno why they go out of their way to make paid dvd's so painful, its like they want people to pirate stuff
06:12 [0gb_us]           Yeah ....
06:14 mauvebic           i mean, its not like the pirates ever see the warning screens lol
06:14 [0gb_us]           I was just talking to my brother about that.
07:18 MinetestBot        GIT: darkrose commited to minetest/minetest: Merge pull request #654 from ShadowNinja/remove_old_makefile 1f42479e0c 2013-04-14T00:18:11-07:00 http://git.io/YmZs3Q
07:23 * VanessaE         peeks back in
07:23 VanessaE           boo.
07:24 Exio               hi wild VanessaE!
07:25 VanessaE           hey.
07:38 Exio               what's up?
07:40 VanessaE           I am :-/
07:40 VanessaE           sleep didn't happen tonight
07:41 Exio               got that
07:42 Exio               i was playing with my microphone and signing, suddenly 4:40AM
07:42 Exio               *yawns* i'm going to sleep soon :P
07:42 Exio               (yes, i'm bored)
07:44 VanessaE           nnoooooooooo
07:45 VanessaE           someone has to keep me company :)
07:46 Exio               haha
07:47 Exio               VanessaE: make a good(?) crosshair texture
07:50 Exio               k, going to sleep, good night
08:10 VanessaE           eh
08:11 VanessaE           a crosshair?  is that even texturable yet?
09:43 PilzAdam           Hello everyone!
10:32 Calinou            hi
10:40 VanessaE           hey
10:49 * Calinou          almost finished updating minecraft enhanced to 0.4.6
10:49 Calinou            added sponge mod support too
10:49 Calinou            (fun fact: it looks REALLY ugly without shaders)
10:49 VanessaE           I just added a bunch of new stuff in the last couple days to HDX also
11:06 Deivan             Is possible change the face of a node, the image of the face?
11:06 Deivan             I need the same for a object in the inventory.
11:09 VanessaE           you can either supply a new texture or redefine the node
11:09 Deivan             How, I set the image but nothing happen.
11:10 VanessaE           you probably named it wrong or put it in the wrong location
11:10 Deivan             Well, double checking now...  AFK
11:11 KikaRz             Good morning people
11:11 VanessaE           hey
11:11 Deivan             Good morning.
11:12 Deivan             I use this line to set: item.inventory_image = <image.png>
11:12 Deivan             No effect.
11:12 VanessaE           no
11:12 Deivan             Only work in the nod/tool definition...
11:12 VanessaE           inventory_image = "filename.png",
11:12 Deivan             Yes.
11:12 Deivan             Is it
11:12 markveidemanis     inventorycube...
11:12 Deivan             <> is a variable.
11:12 Deivan             Only a notation...
11:12 VanessaE           and tiles = {"another filename.png"},
11:13 Deivan             Don't is working here...  The comma is necessary?
11:13 VanessaE           yes
11:13 Deivan             Hum...  More tests.
11:15 Deivan             Don't is working...
11:16 Deivan             item.inventory_image = watch.images_d[1]..","
11:16 Deivan             item.inventory_image = watch.images_d[1]..
11:16 Deivan             Nothing...
11:16 Deivan             item.inventory_image = watch.images_d[1]
11:16 PilzAdam           Deivan, paste your whole code
11:17 Deivan             Is a single line...
11:17 Deivan             :-/
11:17 Deivan             I will test without a variable...
11:17 Deivan             Moment.
11:19 Deivan             I catch the item from item=itemstack:to_table() in a on_use event
11:19 Deivan             I tested with a tool and with a node.
11:19 Deivan             The next line is item.inventory_image = "a.png"
11:19 Deivan             Only this
11:20 Deivan             But don't is working.  I am working in the watch mod and this guy make a node for each face.
11:20 Deivan             My project is a routine to change the face, but don't is working...
11:20 PilzAdam           you want to change the texture of an item at runtime?
11:20 Deivan             Yes.
11:20 PilzAdam           thats not possible
11:20 Deivan             This is my question...
11:21 Deivan             Is possible set a annimation to a node/
11:21 Deivan             ?
11:21 Deivan             And change what animation I need show?
11:21 PilzAdam           yes, see the torch in the default mod
11:21 Deivan             But the torch don't change the animation at running time.
11:21 PilzAdam           but you cant set the animation frame manually
11:21 Deivan             I need, well, 12 animations.
11:22 Deivan             Or 12 frames.
11:22 Deivan             Or I play a frame and wait or a change animations.
11:24 Deivan             Hum... Tiles have a name, why?
11:25 Deivan             Is the file name...  :-/
11:25 KikaRz             Deivan, look out the spam... You are being like me after my big change...
11:25 KikaRz             Write everything in one line.
11:25 Deivan             I am thinking...
11:26 Deivan             I test some codes here if someone have a idea please call me. :D
11:26 Deivan             AFK
11:26 KikaRz             VanessaE, i love the initial image, of your texture pack (when we enter the game
11:26 VanessaE           thanks
11:26 VanessaE           I need to update that image though
11:27 VanessaE           it shows some old textures now
11:27 KikaRz             I love this inventory!!! OMG!!!
11:27 VanessaE           :D
11:27 KikaRz             so pretty *w*
11:27 Deivan             Is a problem if I make a tool as a entity?
11:27 VanessaE           Deivan: might be, dunno
11:27 Deivan             Well, more tests.  Thanks.
11:27 Deivan             AFK
11:28 KikaRz             I had to reenter... world wasn't loading
11:28 VanessaE           that might have been my fault, I was just uploading some images to my webspace
11:28 VanessaE           (I might have been taking up all the bandwidth there)
11:29 KikaRz             Ok
11:29 KikaRz             now i think its fine
11:42 KikaRz             VanessaE
11:42 KikaRz             If the rollercoaster guy don't talk to me, i'll destroy the part of his rollercoaster, that is in my place
11:46 KikaRz             Ok, VanessaE?
11:49 VanessaE           hm?
11:51 KikaRz             VanessaE?
11:51 KikaRz             where are the leaves from the farm?
11:52 VanessaE           leaves from the farm?
11:52 KikaRz             Yea
11:52 KikaRz             :C
11:53 VanessaE           I don't understand
11:53 KikaRz             Come to.
11:54 KikaRz             Come to the server...
11:54 VanessaE           coming now.
12:11 markveidemanis     Help with chatcommand:
12:11 markveidemanis     /cls, clear the screen
12:17 KikaRz             I'm back.
12:20 VanessaE           and I'm off to bed
12:20 VanessaE           night all.
13:01 Zeg9               Hi !
13:01 markveidemanis     Hello Zeg
13:01 markveidemanis     Join 86.158.246.237, were making bas080 a BDay present
13:29 markveidemanis     Hi
13:37 lordcirth          markveidemanis, joining for lulz
13:49 rubenwardy         hi all
13:49 paxcoder           hey
13:51 KikaRz             Hi rubenwardy
13:56 rubenwardy         any news?
13:56 markveidemanis     YES
13:57 * Mati^1           hi
13:57 markveidemanis     86.158.246.237 for [0000]
13:57 markveidemanis     [] il tell you what its for when you are on
13:59 KikaRz             VanessaE?
13:59 KikaRz             server down?
13:59 [0gb_us]           !up vanessae.mine.bz
13:59 KikaRz             It said *** Server shutting down
13:59 [0gb_us]           Ah. No bot.
13:59 KikaRz             :s
14:00 KikaRz             Waiting content...
14:00 Octupus            Bang Bang
14:00 KikaRz             Hi YoungDerp
14:00 KikaRz             Hi Kacey
14:00 Octupus            Hi Kacey
14:00 Kacey              uugh
14:01 KikaRz             DOUGH!
14:01 KikaRz             we cant put torches in the air
14:01 KikaRz             or server crash
14:01 Octupus            Im gonna come back to my guys
14:01 KikaRz             msg NickServ Identify kaka1822121
14:01 Octupus            If you guys don't mind :)
14:01 KikaRz             OMG!!!
14:01 KikaRz             :@
14:01 KikaRz             damn
14:01 KikaRz             damn
14:02 [0gb_us]           Time for a new password, I guess.
14:03 [0gb_us]           Even if no one saw, this room is being recorded, so ...
14:03 KikaRz             0gb_us, it's fakez :B
14:03 Octupus            I like kaka but he is way to old he even shud by be substitute for Real Madrid he. Should be RESERVE
14:03 KikaRz             if you type your real password, it appears *******
14:03 KikaRz             XD
14:04 [0gb_us]           Hmm. I would test that, but I don't want to lose my password ...
14:04 KikaRz             just connect you in another tab
14:04 KikaRz             and Query
14:04 KikaRz             to yourself
14:04 Octupus            ***********
14:04 KikaRz             *or query to yourself
14:04 Octupus            It works lol
14:06 bas080             Reporting irrelevant(offtopic) post http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=83993#p83993
14:07 markveidemanis     My server now has no biomes, just grass
14:07 Octupus            Where da heck is LAD
14:07 PilzAdam           bas080, thats a valid question
14:07 bas080             It is not relevant to the topic tbm
14:08 [0gb_us]           Where should he ask then?
14:08 PilzAdam           dont be so strictly against offtopic
14:08 bas080             pm, irc , email
14:08 PilzAdam           the forum is a communication platform for humans, not for on-topic bots
14:09 [0gb_us]           There's no reason to contact him directly. I know a lot of people ignore my pms and emails. And he might not be on  IRC.
14:09 KikaRz             bas080, happy birthday :)
14:09 bas080             Ty KikaRz
14:11 Octupus            Happy Birthday bas my birthday was last week Sunday :)
14:11 KikaRz             mine is 22 april...
14:11 Octupus            :)
14:14 bas080             April rules! :)
14:15 KikaRz             <3
14:18 Aggies             ello
14:20 KikaRz             ello
14:20 Octupus            Hero
14:21 lordcirth          are textures automatically downloaded from the server if needed?
14:21 KikaRz             yh
14:21 KikaRz             i think
14:22 lordcirth          well, that makes showing mods easier
14:25 markveidemanis     lordcirth
14:25 markveidemanis     I have finished screwing with the map setting
14:27 lordcirth          markveidemanis, good
14:27 KikaRz             VanessaE, the 12M21 rollercoaster has been destroyed
14:31 markveidemanis     I need a painting mod
14:31 KikaRz             Search for it at: forum.minetest.net
14:31 markveidemanis     That searchengine is bad, il use google :D
14:32 markveidemanis     6 matches
14:32 markveidemanis     Apple store: make me a fire
14:32 markveidemanis     No matches
14:33 Aggies             lol
14:35 * Aggies           goeslooking for Kacey
14:39 * Kacey            hands Aggies a spacebar
14:39 * Aggies           says it is hard typing sideways
14:44 Aggies             hey kacey i got ror to work
14:47 Aggies             lagmeter 25.1
14:47 Aggies             seconds
14:53 Kacey              Aggies, you need to switch from XChat to HexChat
14:53 Aggies             k
14:58 KikaRz             hey
14:58 KikaRz             VNC allow us to graphical support in vps?
14:58 KikaRz             https://freevps.us/thread-6334.html
14:59 markveidemanis     Who can edit me the mod that allows to paint
14:59 markveidemanis     It crashen when i place painted canvas
15:01 sfan5              KikaRz: ye
15:01 sfan5              *yes
15:01 KikaRz             COOL!
15:01 sfan5              but its not intendet to use a gui with a virtual server
15:02 sfan5              as that makes it really slow
15:02 KikaRz             well
15:02 KikaRz             its easier if we use a gui...
15:02 KikaRz             well
15:02 KikaRz             anyways...
15:02 KikaRz             Who knows a 128 MB Ram free vps?
15:02 KikaRz             or 256?
15:02 INeedANewNick      They don
15:03 INeedANewNick      *don't work well at all.
15:05 sfan5              KikaRz: if you NEED to install a gui on a server to set it up correctly, you don't deserve a vps
15:06 KikaRz             Whaaaa????
15:07 KikaRz             not that
15:07 KikaRz             i don't want to install it on the vps
15:08 KikaRz             i just asked.
15:08 Octupus            Hello
15:08 Octupus            Hello
15:08 Octupus            Anyone remember my ass HMM
15:09 Kacey              who are you?
15:09 Kacey              lo
15:09 Kacey              lol
15:09 KikaRz             LAD = captainLAD
15:10 LAD                yea what?
15:10 Kacey              https://github.com/Kaceyproductions/xytest my newest mod
15:10 KikaRz             what it ha?
15:10 KikaRz             *has?
15:12 Guest90360         would i get baned if i spam?
15:12 PilzAdam           sure
15:12 Guest90360         :)
15:13 markveidemanis     wanna spam?
15:13 markveidemanis     go to #spam
15:13 markveidemanis     +i
15:13 markveidemanis     lol kicked already :D
15:14 telek              If you wanna spam, go to the grocery store!
15:14 markveidemanis     lol
15:14 rubenwardy         lol
15:14 markveidemanis     http://pastie.org/7525629 help
15:14 markveidemanis     Crash when i place painter pic
15:14 markveidemanis     painting:pic
15:15 Guest90360         ok i was dared to do it and im not aloud to back out so ban Octupus for this :)
15:15 Guest90360         .
15:15 Guest90360         .
15:15 Guest90360         .
15:15 Guest90360         .
15:15 Guest90360         .
15:15 Guest90360         .
15:15 Guest90360         .
15:15 Guest90360         .
15:15 Guest90360         .
15:15 rubenwardy         lol
15:16 Octupus            What a lier
15:16 rubenwardy         you know what is coming when you see this:
15:16 rubenwardy         (4:15:54 PM) mode (+o sfan5) by ChanServ
15:17 telek              Yep
15:17 KikaRz             People
15:17 KikaRz             who knows a free VPS?
15:17 LAD                i do
15:17 telek              KikaRz: Google does!
15:19 KikaRz             telek, no, he doesn't
15:19 Octupus            Please unban lad sfan he was being retarded
15:19 Octupus            I will watch him
15:20 KikaRz             COME ON!
15:20 Aggies             kacey i'll turn on teamviewer so you can do it k
15:20 Kacey              not right now
15:21 Aggies             y not
15:21 Kacey              i am lagging
15:21 KikaRz             Someone, can tell me damn free vps?
15:21 Aggies             o
15:21 Octupus            sfan5: Can you please unban LAD he was just bored cause no one talked to him anymore
15:21 sfan5              why should I, he spammed
15:22 Octupus            He was lonely pleae unban I won't let him do it gain
15:22 Octupus            Please sfan5
15:22 PilzAdam           Octupus, the reason doesnt matter
15:24 Octupus            One more chance sfan5 or you can ban me instead
15:25 markveidemanis     LOL
15:26 sfan5              fuck
15:26 sfan5              that was wrong
15:26 Octupus            Why you unban everyone lol
15:26 Aggies             dude
15:26 ShadowNinja        LOL
15:26 sfan5              i accidently clicked the wrong button
15:26 sfan5              damn you, xchat developers
15:26 Octupus            You gonna have to reban all of them?
15:27 Aggies             rotfl
15:28 markveidemanis     LOOOL
15:28 markveidemanis     i will do it if you op ,e
15:29 Aggies             wtf
15:29 KikaRz             Omg...
15:29 Aggies             wht
15:29 KikaRz             UNBAN RAFFLE
15:30 Aggies             this is hilarious
15:32 KikaRz             who can help me?
15:32 KikaRz             to register my vps?
15:32 KikaRz             i got a problem...
15:33 INeedANewNick      I cna help reban them,
15:33 KikaRz             INeedANewNick [~rarkenin@unaffiliated/rarkenin]
15:33 KikaRz             rarkenin needs a new nick
15:34 Aggies             wait kacey y do i need hexchat not xchat
15:34 PilzAdam           INeedANewNick, use pwgen to get a new nick
15:34 KikaRz             Login You Have Been Blacklisted - Contact Support
15:34 KikaRz             o_o'
15:34 KikaRz             Really? o_O'
15:35 INeedANewNick      Doesn't pwgen just generate strong passwords without any thought?
15:35 Kacey              XChat will stop working after a period and then you have to pay to use it
15:35 PilzAdam           yes
15:35 KikaRz             Kacey, nope
15:35 Kacey              HexChat stays free
15:35 Kacey              for windows
15:35 PilzAdam           Kacey, only on windows
15:35 KikaRz             PilzAdam, nope
15:35 Aggies             o when canu do it
15:36 INeedANewNick      You see, I'm not just trying to get a random nick. I'm trying to get one that represents who I am.
15:36 Kacey              when i get back to my grandma's
15:36 Aggies             k
15:36 KikaRz             http://www.rinkworks.com/namegen/
15:36 KikaRz             that helps
15:36 Aggies             which is when it needs to b before noon
15:37 INeedANewNick      Something English or based on my real name helps.
15:37 KikaRz             Anariaru, this is a good name for you, INeedANewNick
15:37 INeedANewNick      But NOT so much that my identity is guessed.
15:37 Kacey              afternoon
15:37 INeedANewNick      What does Anariaru represent?
15:37 * Kacey            hands INeedANewNick a new nick
15:38 Aggies             f*** then i can't have it yet because i leave at around noon
15:38 LAD                If i fuck up again My firend will pay? what is this an italian maphia no can tlak to him like for fuck sack i do something ban me not him, and if any one should get banned for fuck sack read this it will in lighten your eyes and see what problems other people have other than one little 5 second spam http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5616
15:39 INeedANewNick      Unbanned about 13 minutes ago, at it again
15:39 LAD                i did't spam
15:40 Aggies             yep it is wierd what they do
15:40 LAD                im standing up for a friend that is being persucuted for my actions
15:40 Octupus            Stfu LAD
15:40 LAD                Octu please i hate seeing people take rage out on people for my actions :(
15:40 INeedANewNick      Although I have no authority to enforce this, please calm down.
15:41 PilzAdam           LAD, please stop being offtopic
15:41 LAD                ...
15:41 INeedANewNick      Can we move to a topical channel and discuss this?
15:41 Octupus            Just shush its all good now lo
15:41 KikaRz             Guys? Who the H*ck can give me a free vps site?????
15:41 KikaRz             :@
15:42 LAD                im just sad ok guys
15:42 * telek            sticks a sock in KikaRz' :@
15:42 Aggies             thank u telek
15:42 * KikaRz           punches telek because he sticked a sock in her mother.
15:42 telek              As to the offtopic-stuff
15:42 KikaRz             Go to your room now!
15:43 telek              How about a #minetest-chat channel, keep the basic help and sch here and move all our day to day chat to the -chat channel?
15:43 * telek            eyerolls and afks to his room :)
15:44 INeedANewNick      I think this is a good idea.
15:44 KikaRz             telek, this isn't offtopic...
15:44 KikaRz             I Need a vps for a Minetest server -.-
15:45 INeedANewNick      I think it should still go into #minetest-chat since #minetest is directly about gameplay, modding, etc.
15:45 INeedANewNick      You shouldn't take offense for this, it's a valid question, and has something to do with Minetest, just not that closely.
15:45 ShadowNinja        but will it just die like -delta -mods and -doc?
15:46 KikaRz             Oh my f*ckin god...
15:46 rubenwardy         nope, stay in #minetest
15:46 KikaRz             Can you please, tell me a site?
15:46 INeedANewNick      OK, Freenode OPed me in there for some reason, should I put through the registration?
15:46 rubenwardy         ShadowNinja: and -wiki
15:47 rubenwardy         http://host1free.com/
15:47 rubenwardy         KikaRz ^^
15:47 KikaRz             No
15:47 KikaRz             That doesn't work.
15:47 KikaRz             I can't register... 1 VPS per IP...
15:48 KikaRz             and i dont remember mine.
15:53 PilzAdam           Zeg9, could you please stop writing "+1" under every single pull request?
15:53 Zeg9               I will, sorry. I'll remove my useless comments
16:16 markveidemanis     AUTOCORREST CAN GO TO H'ELL
16:16 Aggies             yeah
16:28 alex256            well i have a new respect for minetest seeing it run on a low spec. computer...
16:29 telek              alex256: How low spec?
16:29 markveidemanis     hi
16:29 Aggies             mmmk
16:30 alex256            dell demension 2400 with 32mb radeon video card..
16:30 Aggies             k
16:30 markveidemanis     I am launching a PAINT challenge
16:31 markveidemanis     On 86.158.111.163
16:32 alex256            for some reason it would crash with the intergrated 64 mb card....so i stuck an old drawer pci video card in it and it worked great...
16:33 Aggies             lol
16:34 Aggies             fishy fishy
16:35 alex256            what really is wierd is it runs better with a 32mb radeon than a 256mb radeon...wierd..guess its all about the cpu
16:37 alex256            puppy/old intergrated intel graphics = :(
16:38 ShadowNinja        alex256: Minetest was designed for slow graphic cards, that is why it doesn't do so well on better cards
16:38 Aggies             fishy mcbites mcbites
16:38 telek              alex256: Nice.
16:38 alex256            that is really cool shadow
16:39 telek              Lowest I've used it on so far is a 9800+P3
16:39 telek              Radeon that is.
16:39 telek              Mods can obliterate the 'low end' usage though
16:40 alex256            im am using a radeon 7000 32 mb pci and i get 45 fps...and i think that is freaking awesome
16:40 alex256            2.8 mhz pentium 4
16:42 telek              That IS good.
16:42 alex256            i have always disliked intel...but...i have to admit here its pretty awesome at the moment
16:42 RealBadAngel       seems like i do have UI crafting guide working again, better than ever
16:43 Aggies             i give up
16:43 telek              I got either 30 or 60 fps on the 9800 with the basic minetest package way back when. With a decent set of mods it tends to half that fps rating though.
16:43 telek              Aggies: ?
16:43 RealBadAngel       telek, are u using luajit?
16:43 alex256            yea the pentium is blowing the amd sempron away..
16:43 ShadowNinja        55 pull requests and counting...
16:43 Aggies             fishy fishy
16:44 alex256            mcbites lol
16:44 Aggies             ha finally
16:44 telek              RBA: Nope. At the moment I'm not even running a server. Not sure if it's permissions issues again or what, but my minetest install is now complaining none of the base modules are available when trying to load my worlds.
16:45 RealBadAngel       try it then, luajit speeds up all lua code at least 2 times
16:45 telek              I'll have to. Very least it might help with the map loading stuff.
16:46 telek              FYI dedicated server though
16:46 RealBadAngel       it helps overall
16:46 telek              So the frame rates are strictly client related.
16:46 RealBadAngel       are you on linux?
16:47 telek              Also minetest is totally playable over dialup :) And yeah.
16:47 RealBadAngel       http://luajit.org/download/LuaJIT-2.0.1.tar.gz  unpack, enter /src folder
16:47 alex256            ^^^^^wow dial up huh
16:47 Aggies             yay
16:47 RealBadAngel       make, make install
16:47 RealBadAngel       then just recompile minetest
16:51 Aggies             afk
16:53 Aggies             back
17:00 alex256            !up 108.237.169.225
17:00 MinetestBot        108.237.169.225:30000 is up (0.488ms)
17:01 Aggies             alex256 is it 0.4.5
17:01 alex256            !up 108.237.169.225
17:01 MinetestBot        108.237.169.225:30000 seems to be down
17:02 alex256            hmm not running from the terminal...wierd
17:02 alex256            no it is 0.4.6
17:02 Aggies             to the state of massechuesetts
17:02 jojoa1997|Tablet   Deivan
17:03 jojoa1997|Tablet   your mod gives me tons of errors
17:04 Calinou            Zeg9: can't log in to your server
17:04 Calinou            telek: over dialup, one player will congest upload bandwidth
17:05 Calinou            alex256: no P4 runs at 2.8ghz
17:05 Calinou            one does run at 3.8ghz though
17:05 alex256            yes it does...
17:05 Calinou            telek: is good? lol
17:05 Calinou            65FPS constant, view range 128, 256× pack, shaders, 3D clouds, fancy trees, single player with 10+ mods
17:05 Calinou            without limiting, 200-300FPS
17:06 Calinou            ShadowNinja: it works well on better cards, but you'll be CPU limited most of the time
17:06 Calinou            2600K + 570 both at stock = CPU limited, disabling HT gives more FPS... but also gives sound latency (pulseaudio)
17:07 alex256            well calinou you are wrong i looked at the properties on windows and puppy and on both os's it said 2.8 ghz
17:07 Calinou            ghz not mhz
17:07 Calinou            1000mhz = 1 ghz
17:08 Zeg9               Calinou, any debug info?
17:08 Calinou            "not allowed to log in" when using a name that isn't Calinou, else, "invalid password" even with the right password
17:08 Calinou            try /clearpassword Calinou maybe?
17:08 Zeg9               I'll try
17:09 Zeg9               done
17:09 alex256            ok..calinou it says 2790.59Mhz.....well almost 2.8 mhz lol
17:10 alex256            ghz i mean
17:11 alex256            Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz
17:11 Deivan             jojoa1997|Tablet, you already tested the line with / adding a \ before the /?
17:12 alex256            Family,model,stepping 15,2,9 (Pentium 4)
17:13 jojoa1997|Tablet   yes
17:13 jojoa1997|Tablet   i have been trying everything with that. deivan does your computer work in portugese
17:14 Deivan             UTF8...
17:14 Deivan             I make a version with ISO and you test it again.
17:14 Deivan             Moment.
17:15 jojoa1997|Tablet   what is iso
17:15 Deivan             Codification ISO8859-15
17:15 Deivan             From Windows..
17:16 Deivan             I have a alternative...
17:16 Deivan             I install in a Windows System and test again.
17:16 Deivan             I need some time for it.
17:16 jojoa1997|Tablet   ok
17:19 jojoa1997|Tablet   i got stu's armor mod to work with minitest all i need to do is get the workbench working
17:29 markveidemanis     Can someone find me a 16x16 image of mario?
17:29 PilzAdam           can someone find a link to google.com?
17:30 markveidemanis     IM LOOKING THERE!
17:31 markveidemanis     Says: 16x16 image sprite mario
17:31 markveidemanis     Also says: 256x256
17:32 jojoa1997|Tablet   pilzadam i got armor working
17:34 jojoa1997|Tablet   i just have to figure out how to put it on the player in the inven and also have to make only minecraft armors
17:35 markveidemanis     How do i make a palette in gimp
17:35 markveidemanis     easy access colors
17:35 Calinou            no idea
17:35 Calinou            https://startpage.com/do/search?query=how+to+make+a+palette+in+GIMP
17:35 markveidemanis     ty
17:36 lordcirth          jojoa1997|Tablet, you could have it equip when used, like apples
17:36 jojoa1997|Tablet   have what
17:36 lordcirth          jojoa1997|Tablet, not sure how you would dequip, but its simple
17:36 lordcirth          jojoa1997|Tablet, the armour?
17:36 jojoa1997|Tablet   what do you mean quip
17:36 jojoa1997|Tablet   as in put on player
17:36 lordcirth          yes
17:37 jojoa1997|Tablet   yes it does that
17:37 jojoa1997|Tablet   wait for update
17:37 jojoa1997|Tablet   i just have to get the workbench mod going
17:37 PilzAdam           jojoa1997|Tablet, I want that you call it "Armor" and not "Armour"
17:37 jojoa1997|Tablet   and deivan will be seeing why i am getting the error
17:37 lordcirth          jojoa1997|Tablet, oh ok. So you're trying to get it to show that it's equipped?
17:37 jojoa1997|Tablet   no
17:37 jojoa1997|Tablet   you mean let others show
17:38 jojoa1997|Tablet   and it is armor
17:38 jojoa1997|Tablet   i just spelt it wron
17:38 jojoa1997|Tablet   wrong
17:38 lordcirth          " put it on the player in the inven" means what? show in your own inventory
17:38 lordcirth          "armour" is the correct spelling
17:38 jojoa1997|Tablet   lorcirth do you play minecraft
17:39 jojoa1997|Tablet   cause that is what it looks liek
17:39 jojoa1997|Tablet   like
17:39 lordcirth          no, I don't
17:39 PilzAdam           jojoa1997|Tablet, to show the armor on the 3D player use ^ to overlay images
17:39 jojoa1997|Tablet   PilzAdam i cant atm
17:40 jojoa1997|Tablet   i need to make the textures myself
17:40 jojoa1997|Tablet   oh wait you mean on the player entity
17:40 jojoa1997|Tablet   it show on there
17:40 jojoa1997|Tablet   just not in the inven pic
17:41 Deivan             jojoa1997|Tablet, edit the /domb/domb.lua and remove the entire content of the function function DOM_registra_comandos_de_uso_geral()
17:41 Deivan             And try again.
17:41 Deivan             Leave only the name and the end.
17:41 Deivan             Between lines 365 to 504.
17:42 jojoa1997|Tablet   i did that but will try again
17:42 jojoa1997|Tablet   well i commented out
17:42 Deivan             I need compile the game to windows before will test here...
17:42 jojoa1997|Tablet   ok now error with farming mod
17:43 Deivan             I think you have some wrong in your game...
17:43 jojoa1997|Tablet   did the sound format change by any chance
17:43 Deivan             :-/
17:43 sfan5              i need a developers opinion
17:43 jojoa1997|Tablet   ok what
17:43 jojoa1997|Tablet   ;-_
17:43 jojoa1997|Tablet   ;-)
17:43 sfan5              "developers"
17:44 sfan5              not you
17:44 Deivan             Wow, my server have 1/2 GigaBytes... :-o
17:44 jojoa1997|Tablet   actually i am a dev of minitest so technically i am a developer
17:44 jojoa1997|Tablet   also i put a wink as in joking
17:44 jojoa1997|Tablet   pilzadam you need to fix your farming mod
17:45 jojoa1997|Tablet   it wants a sound not there
17:45 Deivan             Farming is working here normal...
17:45 jojoa1997|Tablet   wait i think i have outdated version
17:46 Deivan             -.-
17:46 jojoa1997|Tablet   yeah it wanted a file that was changed
17:46 Deivan             I have RL work to do.
17:46 Deivan             AFK
17:46 lordcirth          in technic, would you say uranium is around 8x more rare than coal? 16x?
17:47 Calinou            lordcirth: look at the code ;)
17:49 * jojoa1997|Tablet remembers the day when i didnt know how minetest.register_node works
17:49 kaeza              hi all
17:50 jojoa1997|Tablet   PilzAdam what is the diff between farming for stable and for dev
17:52 lordcirth          Calinou, why is clust_scarcity defined as 3 numbers multiplied? is to make gauging the 3d size easier ?
17:53 Guest98024         what did I miss these days?
17:53 jojoa1997|Tablet   0gb.us?
17:54 Guest98024         wat
17:54 jojoa1997|Tablet   i get it
17:54 Guest98024         writing with on-screen kb on win is a PITA
17:55 jojoa1997|Tablet   the reason none of the mods with sounds work is cause minitest is one of the last mods to load
17:57 jojoa1997|Tablet   how do i make a get modpath dofile go to the current dir
18:00 MinetestBot        GIT: Uberi commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Merge remote-tracking branch 'refs/remotes/origin/master' 01d8c26b5b 2013-04-14T10:58:31-07:00 http://git.io/Kru_OA
18:02 alex256            i have tried everything i know to enable_pvp but it doesnt work....any suggestions
18:03 jojoa1997|Tablet   check the damage box
18:04 alex256            says 0 hp taken after being punched hit with a sword ..the only way i get damage is falling...
18:07 alex256            what .lua file is pvp controlled by....?
18:07 Guest98024         engine
18:07 Guest98024         {{cn}}
18:08 jojoa1997|Tablet   Deivan ping
18:09 jojoa1997|Tablet   do i get rid of line 6 in DOM/init.lua?
18:09 alex256            where is the lua file that controls pvp and what is it called....l
18:10 markveidemanis     Join 86.158.111.163 to see some amazing paintings and mario!
18:10 alex256            help please someone....
18:11 sfan5              Currently online: 40 guests, 11 registered users
18:11 PilzAdam           alex256, its not done in lua
18:11 sfan5              :O
18:11 alex256            where then?
18:11 PilzAdam           its in src/tool.cpp
18:11 sfan5              c++
18:12 PilzAdam           the function in line 159 calculates the damage
18:12 Guest98024         hello adam
18:12 alex256            where is it enable at besides the minetest.conf?
18:12 alex256            enabled..
18:13 PilzAdam           what?
18:13 alex256            something  overrides the minetest.conf so defaults are used...where isit and where would it be
18:14 alex256            i mean what is it and where
18:14 PilzAdam           src/defaultsettings.cpp is used when minetest.conf setting isnt present
18:14 alex256            thanks :)
18:15 Guest98024         could that be a prob with the new dmg system
18:15 Guest98024         ?
18:15 alex256            where would src be in puppy linux?
18:15 alex256            cant find it...
18:16 PilzAdam           how have you installed it?
18:16 Guest98024         alex256: clone from github
18:16 lordcirth          alex256, did you install through a package manager?
18:16 PilzAdam           (minetest)
18:16 alex256            i installed a .pet
18:16 PilzAdam           then you probably didnt get the source
18:17 PilzAdam           you need to compile minetest if you change it
18:17 alex256            ok if i get the src would it go in root or filesystem?
18:17 kaeza_             no
18:17 alex256            crap
18:17 PilzAdam           and defaultsettings.cpp definetly dont override minetest.conf
18:18 alex256            well i am stuck then...i cant compile for the life of me
18:18 alex256            everytime i try ...i get errors
18:18 sfan5              tell us the errors an we can help you
18:19 alex256            fonts and enabling pvp seem to be the only issues i know at the moment
18:21 alex256            the fonts  are really small and italic and when i put enable_pvp = true in the minetest.conf nothing changes
18:22 alex256            i can change varibles in the minetest.conf but cant change them back...
18:22 alex256            pvp was working then i did enable_pvp  = false and now its stuck like that
18:23 alex256            could it be the 3D_armor mod conflicting with it?
18:24 Shadowfire         Good afternoon people..
18:25 Shadowfire         I can not seem to find information about the difference of Sfans / Pitzadam / xyz's versions of minetest builds... can someone point me to a document or wiki that lets me know there differences?
18:26 Shadowfire         I am guessing that they add in some of the mods that make them different from stock build... but I am not sure
18:27 kaeza_             hai Jordach
18:27 Jordach            hey
18:27 kaeza_             how's it going?
18:27 Jordach            alright
18:29 jojoa1997|Tablet   if i do a get_modpath does that mean the mod is loaded
18:43 telek              ...
18:43 kaeza_             ?
18:43 telek              What happened to all the mods formerly in minetest_game?
18:44 jojoa1997|Tablet   so...
18:44 kaeza_             common
18:45 telek              kaeza: Was that an answer?
18:45 kaeza_             yep
18:45 mauvebic           those mods were rounded up at gunpoint and sent to "happy camps" :p
18:46 kaeza_             https://github.com/minetest/common
18:46 telek              WTF
18:46 telek              And why isn't the readme in minetest_game set to mention that?
18:47 jordan4ibanez      BECAUSE FUCK YOU
18:47 jordan4ibanez      Just kidding, that's a valid point
18:47 Hwkiller           telek: I think a lot of documentation can be improved, but 1) Anyone can do that; you can help too (I should contribute, but I don't) and 2) Development seems to be going quickly, so changing documentation might be fruitless
18:49 jordan4ibanez      hwkiller are you Likwid H-Craft?
18:49 mauvebic           cant be, hwkiller seems to be able to spell
18:49 Jordach            jordan4ibanez, his english is 2000% better
18:49 Hwkiller           What? No.
18:49 mauvebic           and hwkiller is coherent
18:49 Hwkiller           No idea who that is.
18:49 telek              I don't mind the development, it just sucks ass when there's sudden huge changes in what repos you have to pull and nothing in the changelog to flag this for you. Didn't help that I'd apparently still had celeron's .git config in my minetest_game dir from before the 'main' repo tracking changed.
18:50 jordan4ibanez      Damn, I want to cuss that guy out
18:50 telek              Plus we've been through what, 5 different 'core' moddir changes now in the past 6ish months?
18:50 sdzen              the annoying one on the forums?
18:50 Jordach            sdzen, correcto
18:51 Hwkiller           and from what I hear, there may be another big change right?
18:51 telek              AWESOME. Now I can finally get my server running again.
18:51 Hwkiller           all mods going to one directory, then "games" just being definition files?
18:51 telek              There's worlds/<worldname>/worldmods
18:51 telek              Plus there's games/<blah>
18:51 telek              In my case since I'm 'system install'
18:51 Hwkiller           e.g., all mods in /usr/share/minetest/mods, and games are /usr/share/minetest/games/*, where * are textfiles declaring which mods that game uses?
18:52 telek              I have /usr/share/minetest/games /home/<userdir>/.minetest/games and /home/<userdir/.minetest/world/<worldname>/worldmods all as posssible searchpath settings.
18:53 Jordach            ecube, what happened to your server#
18:53 mauvebic           thats alot of possible mod paths lol\
18:53 Jordach            -#
18:53 ecube              what server
18:53 Hwkiller           Jordach: yes, it seems messy right now
18:53 telek              And yeah /usr/share/minetest/mods as well. I'd stopped using that since they really need to be updated on a case by case basis and fairly rapidly if you're following -git
18:53 jordan4ibanez      jordach should cauldrons explode if there is a walkable node above it?
18:53 Jordach            jordan4ibanez, no
18:53 Jordach            destroy the node above it
18:54 ecube              Jordach: what server?
18:54 jordan4ibanez      destroy it WITH AN EXPLOSION
18:54 Jordach            http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1991
18:54 Jordach            ecube, ^
18:55 ecube              oh
18:55 ecube              ran out of resources for that one
18:56 ecube              and personal time as well
18:56 jojoa1997|Tablet   jordan4ibanez i am adding your cake mod to minitest
18:56 mauvebic           with the upcoming mt-porn mod, players can combine personal and playing time
18:56 ecube              I look forward to it
18:57 mauvebic           :p
18:57 telek              jojoa1997|Tablet: So you can have your cake and eat it too? :D
18:57 alex256            .....i figures out why enable_pvp = true wasn't working.....conflict with the 3d_armor mod ...
18:57 jojoa1997|Tablet   jordan is that ok
18:58 telek              New use for the kinect: tracking your joystick for all your 'hardcore' gaming.
18:58 alex256            oh well no armor until someone updates it to work with 0.4.6
18:58 telek              alex256: Changes in how damage stuff works again?
18:59 telek              Y'know it may be time to do some sort of flatfile or prebake for texture generation/loading.
18:59 alex256            armor doesn't work with the latest build. no pvp...
18:59 telek              I've been waiting the past 2-3 minutes for the textures to preload.
18:59 alex256            without armor pvp :)
19:00 mauvebic           telek compile all your mods should speedup load time
19:00 telek              mauvebic: For client-side loads?
19:00 telek              I thought all the texture stuff once loaded was handled by the server proper.
19:00 mauvebic           oh youre connecting to someone else's server? nevermind
19:00 telek              Dedicated server.
19:01 telek              Not the in-client server.
19:01 telek              And seperate computers, so yeah that isn't lagging it :)
19:01 mauvebic           naw textures will take however long it takes to load, not much to be done about that other than to downscale or trim the fart
19:01 mauvebic           *fat
19:01 * telek            nods.
19:01 alex256            what is a good skin mod i can upload to replace not haveing armor anymore lol
19:01 telek              4 fps atm
19:02 mauvebic           jesus
19:02 mauvebic           what does the server run?
19:02 telek              Y'know I think it's running in software rendering mode.
19:02 alex256            lol
19:02 mauvebic           that wont help lol
19:02 ShadowNinja        alex256: player_textures
19:02 alex256            thanks ! armour is broken lol
19:03 alex256            adding now Shadow
19:03 telek              mauvebic: Nope doesn't appear that's what's happening.
19:03 mauvebic           so its slow for another reason
19:03 telek              I'll try moving from where I am.
19:03 telek              It could be the giant pillars of stone all around me and the 30+ different textures :)
19:04 mauvebic           the more complex nodeboxes do slow things down abit
19:04 mauvebic           but hey no one wanted native angles and curves so lol
19:04 alex256            shadow do you have a link?
19:05 khonkhortisan      If I want to make a box, I don't want it to have inside faces
19:05 mauvebic           yeah that was a problem when i tried to make replicators (from star trek)
19:06 telek              Ideally either irrlicht needs to get an ogl 3.3/4.x renderer or we need a second client project for more advanced features (The hardware tesselation features and some of the related newer tech have provisions for generating lots of copies of complete meshes.)
19:06 mauvebic           (having different inside and top texture)
19:07 jordan4ibanez      Nakedfury are you going to let this pile of poop do this? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=83175#p83175
19:08 telek              Given how much of what's going on in minetest is duplicates of identical objects, it should be possible to have a graphics engine that would have negligible cpu/gpu load even with a massively complicated series of blocks visible.
19:08 telek              That's odd
19:08 NakedFury          I am converting torches: http://i.imgur.com/4jwPC.png  they are a lot and its not easy to do the stupid wall torches part
19:08 telek              Was 4 fps before
19:08 telek              Now it's hanging around 30 with nothing more than a relog :D
19:08 PilzAdam           jordan4ibanez, were is the free windows version? http://youtu.be/q8BLWISYESI
19:09 jordan4ibanez      It was reactos, a free shit os
19:09 jordan4ibanez      pilzadam! https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/657
19:09 PilzAdam           need to sleep; bye
19:09 jordan4ibanez      nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
19:10 jordan4ibanez      trees should check that the group soil is below it when you place it, if not, don't place
19:12 * Jordach          experiments with web stuff
19:13 Jordach            several 502's == 503 after enough F5
19:13 Calinou            502, the error of the minecraft forum since 2011®
19:13 * Jordach          is disliking nginx
19:13 mauvebic           thats an asp/php error isnt it?
19:13 Jordach            mauvebic, somewhat
19:14 mauvebic           yeah, i think i remember those, dont miss it though lol
19:14 Jordach            the site works, but breaks every time
19:14 Jordach            ...when you damn need it
19:14 mauvebic           why would you need MC forums?
19:14 Jordach            mauvebic, i dont
19:14 Jordach            8/10 tabs is a 502 Gateway Error
19:15 mauvebic           anyone here old enough to have programmed with perl/cgi? fun days lol
19:15 Calinou            people still do that today
19:15 Calinou            cube_art is made in perl :D
19:15 mauvebic           though with cgi you could write the website backend in c/cpp, though i never tried
19:15 Calinou            and some texture pack converter (no longer needed as of minecraft 1.5)
19:16 Jordach            Calinou, yes we do
19:16 Jordach            a automated renamer
19:17 mauvebic           naw the textures are split now
19:17 Jordach            ugh. Error 503 Service Unavailable
19:18 mauvebic           all we need now is an MC mod converter, same some people the trouble lol
19:19 Calinou            MC world converter would be nice
19:19 Calinou            the anvil format is publicly documented
19:19 mauvebic           hmmmm is doing that
19:19 Calinou            :O
19:19 Jordach            Calinou, Steam now works on Nvidia driver Version current (latest updates) might run TF2
19:19 mauvebic           you didn't see?
19:19 Calinou            Jordach, always worked for me :P (313.18)
19:20 Calinou            I'm on my netbook right now
19:20 Calinou            mauvebic, no
19:20 mauvebic           http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=81504#p81504
19:20 Calinou            _classic_
19:20 Calinou            talking about the full game
19:21 Calinou            we could do some progress by adding all minecraft blocks and items first with a mod, with textures :P
19:21 mauvebic           i know nothing about MC lol their maps have incompatible formats? lame
19:21 Calinou            it is a requirement, not "lame"
19:21 Jordach            Calinou, NVIDIA 304.88
19:22 Calinou            classic > chunk file (infdev?) > MCRegion (beta 1.3: 2011-02-22) > anvil (1.2: 2012-03-01)
19:22 mauvebic           i think weve converted enough MC stuff for one cycle lol
19:22 VanessaE           hi all.
19:22 Jordach            hey VanessaE
19:22 Calinou            hi
19:22 Calinou            mauvebic, maps are converted if needed
19:22 Calinou            but if you want to convert a chunk file map to anvil, you can't, you'll need to convert it to mcregion first :P
19:22 mauvebic           naw i meant concepts, appearances and functions lol
19:23 telek              We need a DF to MT converter!
19:23 VanessaE           hey
19:23 * telek            waves!
19:23 Calinou            lol, nope
19:23 Calinou            cube(2) to minetest :>
19:23 Calinou            actually, for cube/assaultcube maps it wouldn't be too hard
19:24 Calinou            but you need to understand the map format
19:24 telek              Because they're already voxel based?
19:24 mauvebic           well if the maps are binary i may be able to help
19:24 VanessaE           ok time to fix sfan5's fuckup :-)
19:24 Calinou            telek, no, heightmap based
19:24 Calinou            you can't make room-over-room, only with mapmodels that have collision
19:25 Calinou            still better than in doom :D
19:25 Calinou            mauvebic, if you wanted to do that one day, use assaultcube as a base, not cube, cube is dead
19:25 Calinou            they are binary
19:25 mauvebic           neither game is known to me :P but the math i do know at least lol
19:25 ShadowNinja        VanessaE: +bbbb <CopyPaste> repeat, much faster
19:25 mauvebic           lol who are you ip-range blocking?
19:26 VanessaE           ShadowNinja: no way, lots of redundant entries in the list.
19:26 telek              calinou: Ahh intresting
19:26 mauvebic           ahh, markv
19:26 ShadowNinja        The banlist got cleared, VanessaE is re-banning everyone that was banned
19:27 mauvebic           who would clear the banlist? things have been so civilized around here lately
19:27 VanessaE           mauvebic: sfan5 did by accident
19:27 VanessaE           I'm restoring a subset of what was cleared off.
19:27 Calinou            permanent bans are never a good thing
19:27 Calinou            clearing them from time to time is fine
19:28 VanessaE           Calinou: he said it was unintentional.
19:28 Calinou            (unless the person in question is just spamming or a bot)
19:28 mauvebic           tweak the bot to do autobans: use all caps, that's a pladdlin', check your server status 3 times, that's a paddlin, etc.
19:28 Calinou            still :P
19:28 mauvebic           how do you know he/she is spamming if theyve just joined?
19:29 mauvebic           does freenode have a public blacklist?
19:29 VanessaE           ok, that should cover it.
19:29 VanessaE           there's about half a dozen additional ones I didn't restore, figured they're obsolete by not.
19:29 VanessaE           now*
19:30 mauvebic           true but up until just lately the bot couldn't recognize mod == Mod so dont hold your beath :p
19:31 ShadowNinja        A nice feature would be a ban description, so you can go through the list and see witch ones are obsolote
19:31 ShadowNinja        An IP address isn't terribly helpfull
19:32 mauvebic           1h? so they surf porn and come back do the same antics? lol
19:32 Calinou            there's a "why" command with chanserv that allows using ban reasons, AFAIK
19:32 khonkhortisan      ERROR FROM LUA: C++ exception
19:33 Calinou            ERROR FROM C++: Lua exception
19:33 Calinou            :-)
19:33 ShadowNinja        john_minetest: my bot can do that
19:34 khonkhortisan      oh I see what I did wrong
19:42 khonkhortisan      EEW special_tiles can have {image, backface_culling, animation} or {name, backface_culling, animation}
19:42 Calinou            because minetest is boring too
19:43 Calinou            European Evidence Warrant, khonkhortisan? :D
19:43 mauvebic           what happens to evidence collected outside of europe?
19:44 khonkhortisan      compare default:water_flowing with default:water_source
19:46 Hwkiller           hmm... new animals mod isn't working; says I don't have "luatrace" anywhere
19:46 Hwkiller           and I don't; not sure why
19:48 Hwkiller           there are no arch packages that provide "luatrace"
19:48 Hwkiller           wtf
19:48 sdzen              hmmm
19:49 mauvebic           did you check with pacman or packer?
19:49 sdzen              the animals mod has been very, non functional as of late
19:49 Hwkiller           mauvebic: I checked with pkgfile
19:49 Calinou            simplemobs ftw!
19:49 Calinou            it even has 3D models now :3
19:50 Hwkiller           pkgfile -r -s '.*luatrace.*'
19:50 sdzen              it have proper methods of spawning?
19:50 Calinou            yes?
19:51 sapier             mobf tries to load luatrace?
19:51 sdzen              yes
19:51 Hwkiller           es, sapier
19:51 Hwkiller           yes*
19:52 mauvebic           not finding any info on luatrace pertaining to arch
19:52 sapier             argh ... it shouldn't in released version
19:52 mauvebic           im guessing its not much in demand
19:53 sapier             luatrace is quite tricky to use ... I'll uptate version to disable again
19:53 jordan4ibanez      Say I want to remove a space, and the number from an itemstring
19:53 mauvebic           my wife wants those spinny doors you get in big office towers lol
19:53 jordan4ibanez      "test:item 42" how would I go about that?
19:53 Hwkiller           sapier: that might be why actually; I'm trying to use 2.0.81
19:53 jordan4ibanez      to just get "test:item"
19:55 mauvebic           zimg down for anyone else?
19:55 sapier             if you have git try 2.0.82 if not wait 5 min till I update download link
19:56 Hwkiller           sapier: also, is the whole "can't harm mobs" issue officially fixd yet?
19:56 Hwkiller           I was using a workaround posted in the thread for a while
19:56 sapier             yes
19:56 Hwkiller           awesome
19:57 sapier             currently there are no known bugs but it's still a prerelease I'm going to release next stable version end of april
19:57 sapier             current stable version is 2.0 ;-) which is quite stable but a little bit outdated
19:59 Hwkiller           not sure which I was using
20:01 sapier             2.0 won't work very well with current minetest so most likely you had a development version
20:03 Hwkiller           actually, 2.0.5
20:03 Hwkiller           lol
20:03 Hwkiller           eek
20:03 sfan5              jordan4ibanez: string.gsub may help you
20:04 sapier             ok :-) 2.0.5 is stable but as you have recognized doesn't work fully with current minetest
20:04 mauvebic           how to convert nodeboxes to a micronode sytem with coordinates
20:04 Hwkiller           sapier: so your mobf2.1.dev branch is up to date though?
20:05 sapier             yes it's current development branch
20:05 Hwkiller           thanks
20:05 jordan4ibanez      Thank you sfan5, I'm needing this so I can organize good "ingridients" from bad ones, and make the cauldron give out good/bad potions based on the inputted ingridients
20:05 sapier             and download link in main post is updated to 2.0.82 now too
20:05 Hwkiller           installing now.
20:07 Jordach            ooh tf2 finished downloading
20:07 sapier             did anyone try mobf archers and guards?
20:09 Hwkiller           I can test it for you now if you' dlike
20:09 Hwkiller           I'm joining my server
20:10 Hwkiller           My server is basically a rolling release server :p. on the bleeding edge of any mods and minetest -git builds
20:10 sapier             thx ... the more ppl test it the less problems will be in there
20:10 Hwkiller           can I just spawn an npc?
20:10 sapier             no if you spawn it directly it'll attack you give yourself a item and plaxe it
20:13 sapier             you may buy them at trader too ... but you'll have to find a trader house first ;-)
20:13 Hwkiller           hm... do mobs spawn in already-generated areas?
20:13 sapier             partly
20:13 Hwkiller           or would I have to venture way way out to ungen'd area to find a trader :p
20:14 sapier             trader won't spawn in generated area
20:14 Hwkiller           plaxe it?
20:14 sapier             you can spawn a mob by "spawnmob" or by item
20:15 sapier             you can spawn a trader by spawnmob too .. but it won't have a house then ;-)
20:18 Hwkiller           the archer works great; still can't hurt it though
20:18 Hwkiller           nvm... apparently my golden sword does no damage
20:18 Hwkiller           my diamond pickaxe works fine
20:19 sapier             hmm maybe groups still aren't correct
20:19 sapier             plz write an issue mobf is too big for me to test everything prior releasing
20:20 Hwkiller           is there a way to test whether it's mobf's fault or if it's moreore's fault?
20:20 sapier             try tools from default if they do work it's most likely a moreores bug
20:21 Hwkiller           looks like it's a moreores bug
20:21 Hwkiller           damn
20:21 Hwkiller           golden swords look badass, but they are worthless
20:22 sapier             most likely groups ar set wrong for them
20:24 Calinou            thexyz, idea, why not create a "Skins" forum where people can post player skins?
20:24 Calinou            (and link to some mods that let people choose their skin too)
20:27 Hwkiller           hm, I need to look at what all you can make in the default game :p
20:27 jordan4ibanez      When I do this string.gsub(input_string2, ("%d+"), ("")) it gives out /000 at the end of the string >.<
20:27 Hwkiller           steel, diamond, mese swords? what else?
20:27 Hwkiller           also, I wonder if I can change the groups myself in the moreores mod
20:27 sapier             I assume you can :-)
20:28 mauvebic           bizarre, my wife was teleported away randomly, when she came back, the server crashed (debug no help)
20:28 Calinou            Hwkiller, there are six tool sets in the default game, from worst to best: wood, stone, steel, bronze, diamond, mese (the last two are the same in terms and speed and durability)
20:29 Calinou            fun fact: a mese axe also mines dirt very well, mese shovels mine wood very well too
20:29 Calinou            :<
20:29 mauvebic           i find shovels and axes to be a bit superfluous when the pick does the job all the same
20:29 sapier             yea and even hand mines dirt almost as good as wood shovel
20:30 Calinou            >wood tools
20:30 Calinou            >useufl
20:30 Calinou            >useful*
20:30 sapier             I assume groups require some balancing
20:30 sapier             the only wood tool usfull is wood pickeaxe to get enough cobble to build a cobble pickeaxe
20:30 MinetestBot        GIT: celeron55 commited to minetest/minetest_game: README.txt: Note requirement of common mods 76398aac4a 2013-04-14T13:28:40-07:00 http://git.io/J4mjuA
20:32 Hwkiller           Calinou: bronze is in the default game?
20:32 Hwkiller           how
20:32 Calinou            yep
20:32 Calinou            since feb 2013 or so
20:32 Calinou            Hwkiller, look at creative inventory
20:32 Hwkiller           I've seen bronze via moreores (copper + tin), but I haven't seen bronze otherwise
20:33 Calinou            bronze is no longer in more ores
20:33 * Calinou          needs to fix more ore one day
20:33 Calinou            only two ores will be exclusive to moreores: mithril and silver... would give little use to moreores alone
20:34 Hwkiller           hm... maybe my moreores is out of date then
20:34 Hwkiller           I still find copper/tin from moreores
20:34 mauvebic           add, well, more ores :p
20:34 mauvebic           theres no shortage of rare earths
20:34 Calinou            I could just drop moreores, a lot of other mods add ores
20:34 mauvebic           exactly, one mod for every 1-2 ores added
20:35 khonkhortisan      eew again. minetest.register_ore adds tile_images, not tiles
20:35 Calinou            copper-iron-mese-coal-diamond, 5 ores ought to be enough for everybody
20:35 VanessaE           nnooooooooo
20:35 mauvebic           a good ore mod would add at least a dozen or more realistic ores
20:35 Hwkiller           Calinou: so how does one find bronze in the default game, smelting copper?
20:35 Calinou            yep
20:35 Calinou            realism at its finest
20:35 Calinou            VanessaE, or merge in moreblocks if there's only two ores to add ;)
20:36 VanessaE           Calinou: naw, feature creep.
20:36 Hwkiller           so I could likely just rm moreores, except that any copper from that mod will be "Unknown" now eh?
20:36 VanessaE           keep them separate I think.
20:36 mauvebic           well it would be easier to have lots of ore than to remember the placement of a limited few to get different crafts outputs
20:36 Calinou            Hwkiller, yes
20:36 VanessaE           or, have RealBadAngel merge the remains of Moreores into Technic mod.
20:36 Calinou            there's a mod by pilzadam that allows replacing unknown nodes
20:36 Calinou            would work too
20:36 Calinou            (but remove tin, as it is now useless)
20:36 Calinou            since you just smelt copper to bronze
20:37 Hwkiller           Calinou: what's the recipe for bronze then?
20:37 Calinou            smelt copper lumps?
20:37 Calinou            in default, not moreores
20:37 Hwkiller           I just get copper ingots
20:38 VanessaE           naw, keep tin
20:38 VanessaE           I use it in homedecor.
20:38 Calinou            ah, right
20:38 khonkhortisan      Does lua have pointers so I can do function(variable) instead of variable = function(variable)?
20:38 Calinou            steel ingot + copper ingot makes bronze
20:38 Hwkiller           ah
20:38 Calinou            in any pattern
20:38 VanessaE           Calinou: which is stupid.
20:38 sapier             no lua doesn't have pointers
20:38 Calinou            this isn't real life :D
20:38 VanessaE           it should have remained as tin+copper.  steel+copper is just nonsense.
20:39 Calinou            tell pilzadam to add tin then :P
20:39 Calinou            hi Octupus
20:39 Octupus            Hero
20:39 khonkhortisan      Your response shows the nonsense, even to someone that doesn't know how to make bronze in real life
20:39 sapier             but why do you think you can't do a "do function(variable)"
20:40 Calinou            :o TIL one can craft furnaces with smooth stone
20:40 khonkhortisan      I want to shorten lines like this: "thing.special_tiles[stile].image = prepareimage(thing.special_tiles[stile].image)"
20:40 sapier             great ... minetest just froze my mouse again
20:41 Calinou            wireless ftw
20:41 Jordach            Calinou, group:stone ftw
20:41 Calinou            yeah
20:41 Calinou            so mossy cobble could be used too, I guess
20:45 VanessaE           there should be a separate group for cobble-like materials if there isn't already.
20:45 Calinou            yeah, cobble group
20:45 VanessaE           cobble, mossy cobble, desert cobble if using the mod that provides that.
20:46 Calinou            and brick group maybe (brick/stone brick)
20:46 VanessaE           yeah.
20:46 mauvebic           ugh, liberals set to elect Justin (Ken Doll) Trudeau as party leader
20:47 VanessaE           I could see that being useful MAYBE.
20:47 thexyz             khonkhortisan: tables
20:47 thexyz             khonkhortisan: tables are always passed by reference
20:48 khonkhortisan      So I need a table that has a reference to an element in another table
20:48 ssieb              VanessaE: Pnuematic tubes won't connect to a chest.  And I just pulled the latest from git to make sure.  Any idea what might be wrong?
20:49 thexyz             khonkhortisan: no, you can just prepareimage(thing.special_tiles[stile]), function prepareimage(t) t.image = …
20:51 VanessaE           they work fine here.  do you have some other mod installed that is redefining the chests?
20:52 thefamilygrog66    howdy
20:52 VanessaE           hey tfg
20:52 Jordach            thefamilygrog66, youre lrfurn mod is awesome
20:53 VanessaE           ssieb: and are you sure you're using the regular default chest and not some other kind that looks similar?  (on my server there are like 10 different kinds of chests, not all of which will connect to a tube)
20:53 thefamilygrog66    hey thanks Jordach - glad you like it
20:53 ssieb              VanessaE: as far as I know it's the default one
20:54 VanessaE           ssieb: you probably should check again, see if anything is redefining them.
20:54 ssieb              I'll check the other mods to see if there's anything
20:54 thefamilygrog66    I have a licensing question...
20:54 VanessaE           thefamilygrog66: yes?
20:54 thefamilygrog66    I'll quote what I already wrote, cause I don't feel like typing it again, haha - one sec
20:55 thefamilygrog66    As an aside, I'm not sure what to do at this point regarding license, since I basically started with an animated gif of a real lava lamp that someone had put online, removed most of the frames, cropped it, reduced the size and resolution, and then added each frame to the .png file (along with my base and top, which is just plain black).  Does anyone know whether I'd still need permission from the person who uploaded the ori
20:55 INeedANewNick      Yes, AFAIK.
20:55 thefamilygrog66    since I've changed it so much?
20:55 VanessaE           you would still need permission, unless the license of the animation is already open
20:56 thefamilygrog66    I was kind of afraid of that
20:56 [0gb_us]           The client can specify graphics in the form of a graphics pack. Can the client specify sounds too?
20:57 Jordach            INeedANewNick, how about beerinator for a nick?
20:57 [0gb_us]           ...
20:58 INeedANewNick      I'd prefer not to allude to anything with alcohol.
20:59 Jordach            Calinou, why does moreblocks make wood blocks rotate?
21:00 thefamilygrog66    this is a guess 0gb, but since there is a textures folder but not a sounds folder, I'd guess not
21:00 VanessaE           Jordach: that was sorta my idea.
21:00 VanessaE           to allow one to align the wood grain in a desired way
21:00 Jordach            VanessaE, so when did you become Calinou?
21:00 [0gb_us]           I figured as much. Both on the sounds and on the rotating wood.
21:01 [0gb_us]           She's alwayse been Calinou.
21:01 [0gb_us]           *always
21:01 VanessaE           hah
21:01 [0gb_us]           She just posted in the wrong client window, and exposed her secret. Oops!
21:02 ssieb              VanessaE: ok, so the tubes don't connect to locked chest, only normal ones?
21:02 VanessaE           ssieb: I believe so, yes.
21:02 ssieb              ah :-(
21:02 VanessaE           because then just anyone could dump stuff into your locked chest, or potentially take it out
21:03 ssieb              true, it would be handy to have identification on more items...
21:04 ssieb              the locked chest has the same texture with the openings on the side though :-)
21:04 VanessaE           ah heh
21:04 VanessaE           well that's a minor bug in pipeworks then :)
21:04 VanessaE           I'll see later if I can fix that issue
21:04 jojoa1997|Tablet   I am almost done with minitest 1.2
21:05 VanessaE           home decor updates today:  http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=84109#p84109
21:06 jojoa1997|Tablet   how would i check for the creative setting
21:06 thefamilygrog66    yay, smart glowlights!
21:06 [0gb_us]           Does plant_lib or poison_ivy depend on default?
21:07 VanessaE           plants_lib does I think.
21:07 [0gb_us]           Hmm. Too bad then. I was going to use it in a non-default world.
21:08 jojoa1997|Tablet   how would i check for the creative setting
21:08 thefamilygrog66    I found the original animated gif again - it's on a site called "Gifninja", which is really sparse and doesn't seem to have any kind of licensing info on it...
21:08 thefamilygrog66    http://gifninja.com/animated-gifs/333797/lava-lamp
21:09 [0gb_us]           No licence means the user gets no rights.
21:09 Calinou            Jordach, wood rotates because you can change the direction of the stripes
21:09 thefamilygrog66    "the user" as in the person who uploaded it to the site?
21:09 [0gb_us]           No, the person downloading it.
21:09 thefamilygrog66    d'oh
21:10 thefamilygrog66    I guess I'm gonna have to fire up one of my old lava lamps and film it then...
21:10 [0gb_us]           Sorry.
21:11 jojoa1997|Tablet   can an if statement be local
21:12 [0gb_us]           No, that wouldn't make sense.
21:12 ssieb              VanessaE: It's not really a bug in pipeworks and I wonder how you could fix it.  The problem is that both chests use the same texture...  Is there some way to redefine the node?
21:12 VanessaE           Calinou: it might be prudent to always place the wood (slabs too) at a specific facedir and let the user rotate them with the screwdriver.
21:12 ssieb              maybe filters could have ownership so only the owner could specify what can go in or out of the chest?
21:12 VanessaE           ssieb: yes, there is.  In fact I thought I was already doing that, but I suppose not.  Maybe someone can submit a separate set of textures to minetest_common for locked chest sides/top/bottom
21:13 VanessaE           that's a possibility
21:14 [0gb_us]           Or, pipeworks can reregister the unlocked chest, and use the texture with a different name.
21:14 Hwkiller           -200 now. :)
21:14 thefamilygrog66    hey, on a related licensing note: what about the usage of nyancat in minetest?
21:14 Hwkiller           found another lava-fall
21:14 khonkhortisan      If print() adds newlines, and io.write() io.flush() doesn't, and io.output() resets the output, how do I not forget where the terminal is to write to it?
21:14 jojoa1997|Tablet   how can i figure out where a missing texture is coming from
21:14 VanessaE           I thought about that, [0gb_us] but I am not sure if that's such a good idea.
21:14 khonkhortisan      file search the texture?
21:14 VanessaE           better to have the locked chest use a different set of textures - maybe the locked chest could be drawn with metal bands around it?
21:15 jojoa1997|Tablet   it is a missing texture
21:15 khonkhortisan      if it's written in one string you can find it
21:15 [0gb_us]           It's a better idea than putting more images in common for things that are SUPPOSED to look the same under normal conditions.
21:15 VanessaE           in fact, maybe someone can do that.  I'm not inclined to bother because my pull request will just be ignored anyway.
21:16 [0gb_us]           Well, I pretty much gave up, so I don't really care any more, but it seems like by default, only the lock needs to look different on the default locked chest.
21:16 [0gb_us]           Yeah, as are mine.
21:16 khonkhortisan      haha terminal = io.output() ... write files ... io.output(terminal)
21:16 ssieb              yes, but bands or something would actually be nicer
21:16 VanessaE           ssieb: yes.
21:17 VanessaE           a locked chest should be wrapped in thin steel bands - after all you need a steel ingot to make one anyway, and a whole ingot seems like almost too much metal just for a lock and shackle.
21:17 [0gb_us]           It seems like a hacky way to get out of reregestering the unlocked chest, if you ask me.
21:18 VanessaE           [0gb_us]: if I re-define the chest, I could potentially cause a problem later e.g if the default chest code needs some radical change.
21:19 [0gb_us]           Don't alter the whole chest. Copy the chest from the registered items array, retexture it, and reregister it.
21:19 VanessaE           redefining it is more hacky than simply giving it its own textures
21:19 [0gb_us]           Not if you do it right.
21:19 [0gb_us]           See the above post. Non-hacky, and forwards compatible.
21:21 otak               Hi, where can I put a mod to be only used by one world?
21:21 Calinou            worlds/world_name/worldmods
21:21 [0gb_us]           worlds/<world name>/worldmods/<plugin>
21:21 otak               thankyou very much
21:21 Calinou            e.g. ~/.minetest/worlds/my_world/worldmods/moreblocks/init.lua
21:21 thefamilygrog66    is the image of nyan cat wtfpl?
21:22 Calinou            we remade it
21:22 VanessaE           thefamilygrog66: cc-by-sa 3.0
21:22 VanessaE           (the one that's used in the game these days)
21:22 thefamilygrog66    ah, ok
21:24 jordan4ibanez      now you can define items to be used in the cauldron, good or bad
21:24 [0gb_us]           Didn't you draw it, VanessaE?
21:24 [0gb_us]           Never mind, I'll look at the README later. I've got to go.
21:25 VanessaE           [0gb_us]: yes.
21:32 khonkhortisan      I think my inventory texture corruption was caused by irrlicht 1.8
21:39 mauvebic           i think i have a basic design for a multi-part/node coal-fired steam engine.... not that the ship will actually move though :S
21:40 lordcirth          khonkhortisan, I had inv texture corruption, it went away when I disabled preloading
21:42 khonkhortisan      Mine didn't go away until I went back to irrlicht 1.7.3
21:48 khonkhortisan      for _,modname in ipairs(minetest.get_modnames()) do io.write('depends.txt',modname..'\n') end
21:48 jojoa1997|Tablet   i have a question
21:49 jojoa1997|Tablet   how do i get an image to overlay a list
21:49 jojoa1997|Tablet   with formspecs
21:51 Octupus            Guys what's the latest GIT for mt
21:51 khonkhortisan      1f42479e0cad7d93ed9ef1a6f68a995c80e0b178
21:51 Octupus            That's loooong
21:52 khonkhortisan      why do you ask?
21:52 Octupus            In coming back to my
21:52 Octupus            My
21:52 Octupus            Mt
21:52 VanessaE           just look at the Minetest git repository, it shows the current commit id
21:53 khonkhortisan      it's minetest/minetest now
21:55 Octupus            What's the URL
21:55 Octupus            Because everything is changed
21:55 khonkhortisan      https://github.com/minetest/minetest/
21:55 khonkhortisan      and minetest_game is different too
21:55 jojoa1997|Tablet   how do i get an image to overlay a list in the formspec
21:55 Octupus            Pop
21:55 Octupus            oooo
21:56 Octupus            Now I really want the link
21:56 khonkhortisan      I stole the games from the official build instead of actually finding them
21:57 Octupus            Lol
21:57 Octupus            VanessaE: Can I get a download link
21:57 VanessaE           https://github.com/minetest
21:57 Octupus            Thank you
21:58 VanessaE           go there, find each of the five repositories:  minetest, minetest_game, common, build, survival
21:58 VanessaE           click each one.  There is a "Zip" button on each one.
21:58 VanessaE           those zip buttons will fetch the current sources for each
21:58 VanessaE           compile the server/client ("minetest"), put everything else into (minetestfolder)/games
21:58 Octupus            Isn't there an official download link anymore
21:58 khonkhortisan      http://minetest.net/download.php
21:59 VanessaE           sure on minetest.net there are binaries.
21:59 VanessaE           but they're always outdated.
21:59 VanessaE           I never recommend the official builds - get one of Pilzadam's, thexyz's, sfan5's or my builds.
21:59 Octupus            What is the most common of the 5
22:00 jojoa1997|Tablet   how do i get an image to overlay a list in the formspec
22:00 jordan4ibanez      is there a way to work with node metadata, only with numbers, like set_bool?
22:00 jojoa1997|Tablet   can someone answer
22:01 khonkhortisan      Just use common and minetest_game for the older feel
22:01 Octupus            Who has the most updated Build?
22:02 Octupus            Van,sfan or Adam
22:02 VanessaE           Octupus: you need minetest and common, at the very least.  you need minetest_game OR build OR survival depending on your favorite mode
22:02 Octupus            Ok
22:02 khonkhortisan      jojoa1997|Tablet, have you tried defining them in the opposite order?
22:02 VanessaE           not sure who's build is most up-to-date though
22:02 VanessaE           whose*
22:02 jojoa1997|Tablet   nope
22:03 Octupus            Ohh
22:03 Octupus            I just wanna start playin on a server again preferably a survival only
22:03 jojoa1997|Tablet   still doesnt work
22:04 VanessaE           Octupus: then all you need is 'minetest'.
22:04 VanessaE           the main repository is enough to get you onto a server.
22:04 VanessaE           the other repositories are for the game content, which only applies in singleplayer mode.
22:04 Octupus            Who server can I join then :)
22:04 VanessaE           mine :)
22:04 VanessaE           vanessae.mine.bz
22:04 Octupus            :)
22:04 VanessaE           :30000
22:05 VanessaE           use your old in-game name there, it should still be valid
22:05 Octupus            Ummmm I'm in minetest but I can't find the exe
22:05 VanessaE           build it
22:05 VanessaE           or get pilzadam's build
22:05 jojoa1997|Tablet   anyone else got ideas
22:05 Octupus            ?
22:06 khonkhortisan      bin/minetest.exe?
22:06 VanessaE           Octupus:  http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4547
22:06 jordan4ibanez      when a node is removed, does it's metadata get removed too?
22:06 VanessaE           Octupus: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1523
22:07 VanessaE           Octupus: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4240
22:07 VanessaE           Octupus: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5515  <-- Linux only.
22:07 VanessaE           try one of those four builds.
22:07 VanessaE           one of them will surely work for you.
22:07 jojoa1997|Tablet   no one
22:08 Octupus            I'm try Adams one
22:08 VanessaE           jordan4ibanez: no idea.
22:08 Octupus            Because it was the first 1 lol
22:08 khonkhortisan      Metadata is node-based, not position-based
22:08 jojoa1997|Tablet   wait
22:08 jordan4ibanez      WAT
22:08 jojoa1997|Tablet   how do i get an image to overlay a list in the formspec
22:09 jojoa1997|Tablet   sorry wrong paste
22:09 khonkhortisan      it's supposedly stored in the node
22:09 jordan4ibanez      Now I have to figure out how to transfer metadata from node to node OH GOD
22:09 jojoa1997|Tablet   http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5605
22:09 sapier             are you sure metatable is nodebased?
22:09 khonkhortisan      not metatable, that's a lua thing
22:10 sapier             I meant metadata ... sorry ... I thought metadata are linked to a specific position
22:10 Octupus            Fur I crashed
22:11 VanessaE           so try another build :)
22:11 jordan4ibanez      It's stored in the node
22:11 Octupus            Um. I forgot my mt passwords
22:11 jordan4ibanez      when the node is removed, it doesn't get transfered
22:11 jordan4ibanez      INTERESTING
22:11 sapier             you may access them through the node at that position but a node itself doesn't have any data as fare as I know
22:12 khonkhortisan      just pretend get_meta(pos) is doing something like get_node(pos).meta (even though it isn't)
22:12 VanessaE           Octupus: you'll have to email the various server admins and ask for a password reset.
22:12 khonkhortisan      it wouldn't make sense to transfer metadata to air
22:12 Octupus            I just forgot my didn't have password b4 I left lol
22:13 VanessaE           just try signing in with a good nickname and make up a password then.
22:13 sapier             get_node just gives you what type of node at a specific position is not a reference to the node itself
22:13 Octupus            Everyone I'm changing my ingame name now
22:15 Octupus            CaptPrice
22:15 VanessaE           CaptPrice?  well okay
22:15 VanessaE           why not just use your old name?
22:15 VanessaE           and if your password doesn't work email the server admin via the forums
22:15 Octupus            Let me try
22:16 lordcirth          RealBadAngel, mining drill crashed on me: LuaError: error: .../minetest_game/mods/technic/technic/mining_drill.lua:323: attempt to index global 'meta' (a userdata value)
22:18 Octupus            Forgot my password dammit
22:18 Octupus            Got it YAY
22:19 Octupus            Passwords can't handle me :)
22:20 Octupus            VanessaE: What's up with the one warnings
22:20 VanessaE           warnings?
22:21 Octupus            Yea PNG
22:21 mauvebic           got more done on the Queen Mary than the titanic lol http://ompldr.org/vaTNqeg/screenshot_178158428.png
22:21 VanessaE           no clue
22:21 jojoa1997|Tablet   MiniTest 1.2 update excuse the big link but that is direct download
22:21 jojoa1997|Tablet   https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/hajo1xxpukccv0e/MiniTest_dev_1_2.zip?token_hash=AAHDaaPNh-DwbHvR0r26t_KlopOf5Nl0T-eW2-aZd4Zi5A&dl=1
22:22 VanessaE           Octupus: you using the default textures?
22:22 Octupus            Yes
22:22 VanessaE           is it that warning about interlaced?
22:22 Octupus            Yes
22:22 VanessaE           ignore that.  it's harmless.
22:22 Octupus            Ok but it's taking long for waiting content
22:23 VanessaE           it takes a while, yeah
22:24 Octupus            At the beginning or every time?
22:24 VanessaE           turn off preloading item visuals
22:24 VanessaE           (Settings menu)
22:24 Octupus            To late I'm already connectin
22:24 jojoa1997|Tablet   will anyone test this for me
22:25 VanessaE           Octupus: initial media load takes up to about 10 minutes because the engine's network stack sucks ass.  An additional 1-2 minutes for the preload visuals code to run.
22:25 VanessaE           so give it a while.
22:25 Octupus            O
22:26 Octupus            That sucks ass the
22:26 Octupus            *then
22:28 mauvebic           more and more when i look for historical pictures of old buildings what i get instead is pictures of bloody hipsters standing in front of them as they look today :(
22:30 VanessaE           bbl, gott arun
22:32 jojoa1997|Tablet   can someone make a mod where when you press a button you only throw one iem and not the stack
22:33 khonkhortisan      Can lua catch buttons?
22:33 jojoa1997|Tablet   tyes
22:33 jojoa1997|Tablet   the boat mod does this
22:34 jojoa1997|Tablet   and the ufo mod
22:42 Hwkiller           I don't use too many mods; I should find more. This is what I use now: http://pastie.org/private/s5waaupzgxx1ovh3ez07tq
22:42 Hwkiller           except farmingp is disabled; it's not working for me
22:42 jojoa1997|Tablet   try using a gamemode
22:43 Hwkiller           I use survival
22:43 jojoa1997|Tablet   i mean game
22:43 Hwkiller           oh, you mean like a game mode mod, e.g., civilizatoin?
22:43 Hwkiller           er... civilization*
22:43 jojoa1997|Tablet   there is dwarves, realtest, minitest, skyblock
22:43 Hwkiller           realtest is crazy.
22:44 Hwkiller           never heard of the others though
22:44 jojoa1997|Tablet   dwarvs is by mito and is really unique
22:44 jojoa1997|Tablet   minitest is currently developed by me and it is like minecraft
22:44 jojoa1997|Tablet   skyblock is more like a map
22:45 jojoa1997|Tablet   it is extreme survival and has objectives
22:45 Hwkiller           oh, you're pilzadam?
22:45 jojoa1997|Tablet   no
22:45 jojoa1997|Tablet   i am jojoa1997
22:46 jojoa1997|Tablet   but i am developing minitest
22:50 Hwkiller           I kinda thought minetest was supposed to be like minecraft
22:50 Hwkiller           so what does minitest offer that's unique?
22:50 jojoa1997|Tablet   yes it is like minecraft
22:50 jojoa1997|Tablet   try it out
22:51 Hwkiller           hm, if I do, I'll also make a systemd unit for it, so that I can say "minetest@JB1.service" and start world jb1; and minetest@minitest.service
23:03 octobot            Hwkiller: like this? http://sprunge.us/DSgS
23:10 jordan4ibanez      damn I guess there's no way to do this
23:10 jordan4ibanez      I want to have a node keep metadata at a position >.<
23:12 lordcirth          jordan4ibanez, you want the metadata to stay at a position regardless of the node that is there?
23:12 jordan4ibanez      Yes
23:12 lordcirth          jordan4ibanez, what for?
23:13 jordan4ibanez      so that a player can't put dig a cauldron to reset it's goodness value, but I think it's a lost cause unless I set the goodness value of EVERY node in the area
23:13 lordcirth          jordan4ibanez, cauldron? goodness? what mod is this?
23:14 jordan4ibanez      I am making a cauldron for the potions mod
23:14 VanessaE           back.
23:14 lordcirth          jordan4ibanez, can you attach the data to the item? like technic's batteries?
23:15 jordan4ibanez      That's a GREAT idea!
23:15 jordan4ibanez      And a much better solution! Stackmax = 1 and the stack of the cauldron has the goodness so you can't cheat no matter where you are! thank you
23:16 lordcirth          jordan4ibanez, np :)
23:18 lordcirth          jordan4ibanez, can you make something both a node and a tool?
23:19 jordan4ibanez      I don't think so
23:19 INeedANewNick      lordcirth: You could make it intercept on_rightclick and put down a different node.
23:19 INeedANewNick      And when the nodeis dug, intercept that to get a tool.
23:19 lordcirth          INeedANewNick, ah! good idea!
23:19 INeedANewNick      Thanks. Can you suggest a nick for me, though?
23:20 lordcirth          INeedANewNick, well, you said you wanted a nick that suited you, and I don't know u :)
23:20 INeedANewNick      Oh, OK. Sorry.
23:20 lordcirth          INeedANewNick, although, your current nick is funny and memorable. why not keep it? lol
23:21 INeedANewNick      It is a message that I NEED a new nick.
23:21 INeedANewNick      Maybe ThisIsANick?
23:23 lordcirth          INeedANewNick, not bad
23:23 INeedANewNick      Hmmm.
23:23 INeedANewNick      Oh, good, didn;t accidentally ping him.
23:59 sokomine           what was your old nick then, ineedanewnick?