IRC log for #minetest, 2013-03-10

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Time	Nick	Message
00:05	jojoa1997	attempt to index a feil "env" a nil value http://paste.ubuntu.com/5600563/
00:08	jojoa1997	VanessaE ^
00:08	VanessaE	too tired to code anymore now
00:08	jojoa1997	ok
00:08	VanessaE	I'm working on other stuff
00:08	jojoa1997	can anyone else help
00:08	* noklz	licks everyone
00:09	Uberi	jojoa1997: what is the error?
00:09	jojoa1997	attempt to index a feil "env" a nil value
00:09	jojoa1997	feild
00:10	Uberi	field?
00:10	jojoa1997	[19:05] <jojoa1997> attempt to index a feil "env" a nil value http://paste.ubuntu.com/5600563/
00:11	Uberi	maybe the variable minetest was shadowed
00:11	jojoa1997	shadowed?
00:12	Uberi	(inner scope variable shadowed outer scope)
00:12	Uberi	anyways, I can check for you if you paste the whole code somewhere
00:16	OldCoder	Hi
00:16	Uberi	hey OldCoder o/
00:16	OldCoder	Here for the day unless called away... I was out helping somebody with their PC
00:18	jojoa1997	uberi http://paste.ubuntu.com/5600588/
00:18	Kacey	i got a new computer OldCoder
00:19	Uberi	jojoa1997: what line is the error on?
00:19	Uberi	you can find that in debug.txt btw
00:22	OldCoder	Kacey, what is it like?
00:22	Kacey	Asus Notebook
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00:22	Kacey	Windows 8 64 bit
00:22	OldCoder	Good
00:23	Kacey	4GB RAM
00:23	OldCoder	Well, good enough; I am not quite sold on Win8
00:23	OldCoder	Ah
00:23	OldCoder	That is plenty
00:23	Kacey	lots of stuff
00:23	OldCoder	Indeed
00:23	Kacey	compared to my netbook, heaven
00:23	jojoa1997	gtg bye
00:23	jojoa1997	line 4
00:23	Uberi	OK
00:23	YoungDerp	my netbook is an Acer Aspire One
00:24	YoungDerp	with xubuntu
00:24	YoungDerp	and 1GB RAM
00:24	Kacey	jordan4ibanez, hi
00:24	jordan4ibanez	hello
00:24	Uberi	hey jordan4ibanez
00:24	jordan4ibanez	hi uberi
00:25	Kacey	if you put up a RoR server we could drive together
00:25	jordan4ibanez	I can't portforward
00:25	Kacey	:/
00:25	Kacey	maybe i can
00:26	jordan4ibanez	try it
00:26	PilzAdam	bye
00:27	Kacey	what port?
00:27	jordan4ibanez	idk, look at the wiki for servers on rigs of rods wiki, I've never attempted it
00:27	jordan4ibanez	brb
00:29	Uberi|AoS	bye everyone!
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00:37	* kaeza	wants to play AC
00:37	* kaeza	is bored of the noobtards in online servers
00:39	Kacey	assassin's creed?
00:45	kaeza	AssaultCube :(
00:45	Kacey	aah
00:46	kaeza	unrelated: http://cheezburger.com/7114861312
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01:46	jojoa1997	hi
01:46	khonkhortisan	Is there a circuit (not logic) simulator?
01:55	jojoa1997	opinion should i add obsidian to minetest_game through pull request
01:56	* khonkhortisan	is not familiar with it
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02:29	Kacey	jordan4ibanez, i failed at making the server
02:29	MinetestBot	GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Re-add dungeons in new dungeongen.cpp 269f052931 2013-03-09T18:28:19-08:00 http://git.io/2QZWrw
02:29	Kacey	afk
02:29	jordan4ibanez	lol
02:30	khonkhortisan	I hope dungeons are part of mg_flags
02:30	MinetestBot	GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Re-add dungeons in new dungeongen.cpp 3157fea62e 2013-03-09T18:29:46-08:00 http://git.io/BY1yJQ
02:32	khonkhortisan	okay, looks like it is
02:41	jordan4ibanez	http://youtu.be/zRZx0gm1pMA
02:41	sokomine	anyone in a mood to test something (not yet finished)?
02:42	Kacey	back
02:43	Kacey	jordan4ibanez, RoR server at 24.45.35.134 port 12031 is where i am
02:45	jordan4ibanez	why didn't you set a map? D:
02:45	YoungDerp	?
02:45	YoungDerp	it is north saint helens for mao
02:45	YoungDerp	map*
02:45	jordan4ibanez	oh ok
02:46	jordan4ibanez	let me get it
02:47	jordan4ibanez	which one exactly, nhelens.terr?
02:47	YoungDerp	nhelens
02:48	YoungDerp	are you on?
02:51	jordan4ibanez	yes
02:51	jordan4ibanez	I am not really in the mood to drive right now though, sorry
02:51	YoungDerp	ok
03:03	jordan4ibanez	fuck, I missed lunavorax AGAIN
03:03	YoungDerp	lol
03:06	Duke_Nukem	holy shit
03:06	Duke_Nukem	I can't believe this wasn't taken
03:07	Kacey	...
03:07	Commander_Keen	hory shet
03:07	Chuck_Norris	haha registered
03:09	jordan4ibanez	lol
03:09	Duke_Nukem	fak u dolan
03:10	kaeza	gooby pls
03:10	kaeza	deuk nekum pls
03:13	_66_75_63_6b	No one will ever know what my name means, and that's the best part
03:15	toopackshackor	I_Know
03:15	toopackshackor	oops lol
03:16	kaeza	CMshould have guessed...
03:16	kaeza	patsefail
03:16	kaeza	pastefail*
03:17	Kacey	fail fail
03:17	Kacey	you fail at failing
03:17	kaeza	so... I do good?
03:17	Kacey	no
03:17	kaeza	:(
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03:29	Mallot1	how do you fix a full atlas problem
03:30	Mallot1	im trying to get onto vanessae's server but the command prompt windos says full atlas not adding any more textures
03:30	VanessaE	so disable it
03:30	VanessaE	in minetest.conf, enable_texture_atlas = false
03:30	Mallot1	ok ill try it
03:30	Mallot1	thx
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03:31	Mallot1	umm nv it loaded and, OMG THat servers awesome!!! you really out did your self ;)
03:32	VanessaE	thanks :-)
03:35	khonkhortisan	If I have a floor of pistons pointing up, how do I activate each one individually?
03:35	NakedFury	have an individual button for each
03:36	khonkhortisan	yes, but how do I wire it?
03:37	VanessaE	vertical wires with an offset?
03:37	khonkhortisan	heh. They don't even receive vertically.
03:37	khonkhortisan	have to offset the pistons too
03:37	VanessaE	oh.
03:37	VanessaE	damn.
03:39	NekoGloop	3d microcontrollers would solve all of this.
03:39	khonkhortisan	lol I have a vertical piston with sand on top, and I saw the piston without the pusher, then I saw the pusher as an item.
03:40	khonkhortisan	it's in my inventory now
03:40	khonkhortisan	I think I turned on the piston while the sand was still falling
03:40	khonkhortisan	got it to stop with the piston on top of the sand
03:41	Kacey	nodebreaker + piston = trolling
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03:42	Kacey	the pusher is not diggable so put it in your friend's doorway
03:42	khonkhortisan	I'm also trying to use pistons, different sands, and node breakers to make a typewriter and I can't figure out how to make an erase button while keeping one side of the page visible
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03:44	NekoGloop	piston pushers should use leafdecay-esque code...
03:45	khonkhortisan	they ignore the destructive entity attacking them
03:46	khonkhortisan	does wood have a facedir now?
03:47	Kacey	no?
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03:47	khonkhortisan	huh.
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03:49	Kacey	http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&amp;NR=1&amp;v=8ulOkEdBTKw
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03:57	Kacey	bye all
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04:11	jojoa1997	guys i added the pull request for obsidian
04:11	VanessaE	I see it.
04:12	VanessaE	you should squash your three commits into one
04:12	jojoa1997	how
04:12	jojoa1997	also the stone generator i want to get rid off
04:13	jojoa1997	!up 0gb.us
04:13	VanessaE	dunno how to do it in windows
04:13	MinetestBot	0gb.us:30000 is up (0.485ms)
04:16	VanessaE	jojoa1997: do you have a git command line?  maybe you can use the linux way.   git rebase -i HEAD~3   (that's a tilde ~)
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04:19	* VanessaE	pokes kaeza
04:19	VanessaE	..and kaeza1
04:29	khonkhortisan	there's also git commit --amend
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04:50	kaeza	SPAM http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=75013#p75013
04:52	VanessaE	mmmh
04:52	VanessaE	that's questionable
04:52	kaeza	actually, not sure if spam, or just a noob that adds the signature to every post lol
04:54	VanessaE	there.  edited out the ads.
04:56	kaeza	I love how you mods can edit a message without leaving traces
04:56	VanessaE	and sent a message to the offender suggesting he not continue doing that.
04:56	kaeza	you are like ninkas :)
04:57	kaeza	ninjas, even
04:57	VanessaE	heh
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05:08	jojoa1997	who was the spammer
05:08	VanessaE	just some n00b on the forums
05:09	jojoa1997	name
05:09	kaeza	that's TOP SECRET
05:09	VanessaE	johnbone
05:09	jojoa1997	was it meant tio be +1
05:09	VanessaE	presumably, hence the ad got edited out.
05:10	VanessaE	but the +1 remains.
05:10	kaeza	tio == uncle in spanish :P
05:10	kaeza	sorry, I'll stop
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05:11	* kaeza	now git pull minetest to test the dungeons
05:11	kaeza	+will
05:11	jojoa1997	kaeza tio == to
05:12	kaeza	awww...
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05:29	kaeza	hmm... I wonder...
05:29	kaeza	what would happen if I create a game with no mods?
05:29	VanessaE	you'd have no content :)
05:29	VanessaE	just tons and tons of unknown blocks :)
05:29	MiJyn	lol
05:30	kaeza	gonna test this
05:30	MiJyn	what would happen if I have no games, and force minetest to use none by editing the source?
05:30	VanessaE	good question.
05:31	MiJyn	and then completely screw up the map generator, the inventory box
05:31	MiJyn	you know, 3D transformations, sort of like what they do with water
05:31	MiJyn	or rather, like with cloth
05:31	kaeza	hmm... speaking of which... where is the default inventory defined?
05:31	kaeza	in default mod or internally in the engine?
05:31	MiJyn	take it, and whirl+pinch the hell out of it
05:31	VanessaE	I assume it's part of builtin
05:33	kaeza	MiJyn, 1) install PilzAdam's `clean' mod, 2) set it to remove "default:stone", 3) ???, 4) profit, 5) LAAAAAAAAAG
05:34	kaeza	but you get an awesome view
05:34	MiJyn	lol
05:35	kaeza	I feel like doing weird stuff tonight
05:36	kaeza	let's do an ABM that turns air into lava :D
05:38	* MiJyn	doesn't want kaeza to ever to to a science lab...
05:38	MiJyn	*go
05:39	kaeza	has anyone actually tested the new dungeon stuff?
05:39	kaeza	I'm getting errors about "dungeongen.h" not found
05:40	MiJyn	I haven't
05:40	kaeza	hmmmm, you forgot to include dungeongen.h in your commit (?)
05:40	MiJyn	talking about that, I wonder if he'll ever put jungles
05:41	hmmmm	fudge
05:41	hmmmm	i'm sorry kaeza
05:41	hmmmm	are you the only one to clone it?
05:41	kaeza	seems so
05:41	hmmmm	i'm going to rewrite history so you'll need to force pull
05:41	kaeza	ok
05:42	MiJyn	hmmmm, you sound like doctor who xD
05:42	kaeza	and np :)
05:42	hmmmm	i do not normally condone this but it's only been like 2 hours
05:43	hmmmm	thank you kaeza.
05:43	MinetestBot	GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Re-add dungeons in new dungeongen.cpp 650e932ddf 2013-03-09T21:42:51-08:00 http://git.io/Esxshg
05:44	MiJyn	awesome
05:44	MiJyn	will try this
05:44	kaeza	hmmmm, np :) glad I found it before any more users updated
05:44	VanessaE	and to think I almost cloned it :)
05:45	kaeza	or else... more forum SPAAAAAM :P
05:45	VanessaE	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=75019#p75019\
05:45	VanessaE	no mention of any of my mods? :-(
05:45	kaeza	anyway, pulling & testing
05:45	kaeza	whoops
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05:48	kaeza	there
05:49	kaeza	post edited :P
05:50	kaeza	I'd also suggest IRC, but some users are complaining it's a bit laggy
05:50	kaeza	and prolly of no use there
05:51	VanessaE	"and...computers"
05:51	VanessaE	lol
05:51	kaeza	:P
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06:14	kaeza	compiling... warnings, warnings everywhere
06:14	kaeza	success!
06:17	kaeza	so... do I have to enable the dungeons explicitly or something like that?
06:31	hmmmm	yes
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06:35	kaeza	using no mods... game started in less than half a second lol
06:37	kaeza	hmmmm, how do I enable dungeon generation?
06:37	hmmmm	add dungeons to mg_flags
06:37	kaeza	mg_flags=dungeons?
06:38	hmmmm	no, mg_flags = trees, caves, dungeons
06:38	hmmmm	by default mg_flags = trees, caves, v6_biome_blend, and if you omit all of that you'd get a very plain world with no trees or caves
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06:41	VanessaE	hm, that didn't help.
06:41	VanessaE	(updated video driver)
06:42	VanessaE	does anyone else experience a rapid, high-speed flickering in Unified Inventory when you flip pages, with 'preload item visuals' turned off?
06:44	VanessaE	namely, when you flip to a new page you hadn't been to before, where the engine has to stop and render the items being displayed
06:44	kaeza	hmmmm, preeteh
06:45	kaeza	it generates actual stairs ^_^
06:45	VanessaE	the formspec used to just disappear for a moment, now it flickers, or wipes, or appears as rapidly-moving stripes while it is rendering.
06:45	hmmmm	you found one already!?
06:45	VanessaE	is this intended?
06:45	kaeza	hmmmm, /grant singleplayer all :P
06:45	kaeza	noclip FTW!
06:45	hmmmm	even so, it's dark
06:45	hmmmm	and you probably can't see it with all the caves in the way
06:45	kaeza	lots of them actually
06:46	kaeza	but, I found something strange
06:46	hmmmm	ah you must just be in a good area
06:46	hmmmm	it's perlin-noise distributed
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06:47	kaeza	hmmmm, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1389773028.jpg
06:48	VanessaE	weird caves
06:48	hmmmm	woah
06:48	hmmmm	did you disable caves?
06:48	kaeza	yep
06:48	hmmmm	what are in those little holes
06:49	VanessaE	then what are all those little... holes?
06:49	VanessaE	LOL
06:49	hmmmm	just air?
06:49	kaeza	mg_flags = flat, dungeons
06:49	hmmmm	that is not right
06:49	hmmmm	i did not see that when testing
06:49	kaeza	hmmmm, the little spots are filled with water
06:49	VanessaE	o.O
06:49	hmmmm	oh
06:49	hmmmm	do you have finite liquids enabled
06:50	kaeza	not that I see
06:50	VanessaE	I never heard of water generating that low before, or in that configuration.
06:50	hmmmm	those water springs were added by proller with his finite liquid stuff
06:50	kaeza	my config: http://pastebin.com/zMsFjUbk
06:50	hmmmm	if finite liquid is enabled it'll spawn those things all around
06:51	VanessaE	that's kinda wasteful isn't it?
06:51	hmmmm	odd....
06:51	hmmmm	check games/minetest/default/mapgen.lua, copy paste that here
06:52	kaeza	using `minimal' game
06:52	hmmmm	minimal then
06:53	kaeza	http://pastebin.com/vA9G4HV9
06:54	kaeza	hmm... just guessing...
06:55	kaeza	line 113 shouldn't be setting_getbool?
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06:58	hmmmm	ahh
06:58	hmmmm	perhaps that's what the problem is
06:58	hmmmm	try fixing that and checking if that problem still persists
06:58	VanessaE	looks at code and cringes at generation of ores and clay being in lua ....*shudder*
06:58	hmmmm	yeah can it
06:59	hmmmm	it's coming
06:59	VanessaE	:P
07:00	kaeza	hmmmm, yep, that seems to have fixed the problem
07:00	kaeza	no more water springs
07:00	hmmmm	now that's weird becuase i did not notice any such problem at all, and i believe i have that same code in my copy of mapgen.lua
07:02	hmmmm	perhaps because it's only in minimal, and i've been using minetest_game ever since i had to install that to check out something vanessa was talking about
07:02	kaeza	https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1390650450.jpg
07:03	kaeza	hmmmm, do you have an explicit liquid_finite in your minetest.conf?
07:03	kaeza	maybe this only happens if you don't set the variable at all
07:04	hmmmm	hmm
07:05	hmmmm	i don't have liquid_finite in there at all
07:05	hmmmm	again, probably because i've been using minetest_game only
07:11	kaeza	https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1390632101.jpg
07:11	hmmmm	that's normal
07:11	hmmmm	it looks cool, right?
07:11	kaeza	yep :P
07:12	hmmmm	good
07:12	kaeza	nah, I'm not saying that it's an issue at all
07:12	kaeza	on the contrary
07:12	hmmmm	coming back soon.... jungles!
07:13	kaeza	+((2^128)-1)
07:13	VanessaE	as long as you use moretrees nodes for it ;)
07:14	hmmmm	haw haw... don't think so
07:14	hmmmm	jungles will be just like they were before they were removed - no shenanigans - the people know exactly what they're getting
07:15	hmmmm	i'll eventually work something out so they can be replaced, though.
07:16	kaeza	crap
07:16	kaeza	I hate that crash-on-chat bug
07:21	VanessaE	not to change the subject, but that flickering bug I mentioned also affects the default creative inventory, so it's gotta be the engine doing it...
07:22	kaeza	coolness https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1391803198.jpg
07:22	VanessaE	dungeon?
07:22	kaeza	VanessaE, I'll test that
07:22	kaeza	yeo
07:22	kaeza	yep*
07:23	VanessaE	kaeza: please do - use my server since it has tons of items - gives you a better chance to see it
07:23	kaeza	going in
07:23	VanessaE	ok
07:25	kaeza	hmm
07:25	VanessaE	?
07:25	kaeza	mt is slow as hell now, but dunno why
07:25	kaeza	halted for 10 secs in the "Connecting to server" screen
07:25	VanessaE	eek
07:26	kaeza	the weird thing is that it's only using ~5% of one core
07:28	kaeza	it's been stuck for around 2 mins now in "Waiting content"
07:28	VanessaE	wow, that IS slow
07:28	VanessaE	but I see you on the server
07:29	kaeza	ah
07:29	VanessaE	wait, there probably was new media to receive
07:29	kaeza	maybe this is the bug you were talking about
07:29	VanessaE	that's why it took a while
07:29	kaeza	the one not displaying the % with freetype enabled
07:30	VanessaE	no, this is after you're in the game.
07:30	kaeza	I meant, that you were talking about the other day
07:30	kaeza	...?
07:30	VanessaE	well someone else mentioned that actually.
07:30	VanessaE	I don't use freetype on my setup - no proper outlines/shadows behind the text.
07:31	kaeza	ah yes :)
07:31	VanessaE	so the bug I refer to now is...  when you hit 'i' and flip through the pages with the single ">" button, the formspec flickers and blinks and turns into stripes and rolls like a bad TV for a second with each page flip.
07:32	MiJyn	bye all
07:32	VanessaE	(where it used to just disappear for a moment)
07:32	VanessaE	night MiJyn
07:32	MiJyn	goodnight VanessaE
07:32	kaeza	cya MiJyn
07:33	VanessaE	kaeza: make sure you have preload item visuals turned off.
07:33	kaeza	ah crap
07:33	VanessaE	a high-rez texture pack will maximize the effect of the bug
07:33	VanessaE	?
07:33	kaeza	gimme a sec
07:33	VanessaE	timed out.
07:34	kaeza	I had preload on
07:34	VanessaE	oh ok
07:34	kaeza	also, it got stuck in the "waiting content" screen
07:34	kaeza	had to kill :/
07:38	kaeza	hrm... will have to look at this tomorrow
07:39	VanessaE	what's wrong?
07:39	kaeza	for some reason it freezes randomly
07:39	VanessaE	odd
07:40	kaeza	there I am
07:41	VanessaE	yup, I'm there next to you
07:44	kaeza	laaa~
07:44	kaeza	~ag
07:45	kaeza	modem wants to be killed again
07:45	kaeza	brb
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07:50	VanessaE	anything with that inventory issue?
07:52	kaeza1	seems like so
07:52	VanessaE	eh?
07:52	kaeza1	actually, the form just disappears for a moment and then reappears
07:52	VanessaE	keep paging through it
07:53	VanessaE	each new page gives it a chance to flicker
07:53	VanessaE	wonder if it's because I'm using irrlicht 1.8
07:54	kaeza1	nope
07:54	kaeza1	don't see anything out of the ordinary
07:54	kaeza1	Irr 1.8.2 here
07:54	VanessaE	great.  Another ubuntu glitch.
07:54	kaeza1	.7.2*
07:54	VanessaE	why am I not surprised.
07:55	VanessaE	well thanks for trying anywa
07:55	VanessaE	+y
07:55	kaeza1	np
07:57	kaeza1	okay, off to bed
07:57	kaeza1	good night
07:57	VanessaE	night
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09:51	jin_xi	ok, testing dungeons
09:54	VanessaE	cool
09:55	VanessaE	I just finished another re-install (this time from a freshly-downloaded DVD image, freshly burned on a drive I know for a fact is 100% good, and installed using my spare DVD reader since my main DVD drive took a shit)
09:56	VanessaE	what a load of fun that was :-/
09:58	VanessaE	morning Taoki
09:58	Taoki	hi :)
10:01	iqualfragile	morning guys
10:01	VanessaE	morning iq
10:02	iqualfragile	VanessaE: me too, i have used the forbidden command…
10:02	iqualfragile	lucily my backup-partition is mounted ro
10:02	VanessaE	heh
10:02	VanessaE	well in my case it was a matter of trust, after that bad RAM module I couldn't be sure what was and wasn't good in the OS's files.
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10:03	VanessaE	brb
10:03	iqualfragile	well, i was in a chroot and thought it would be safe to rm -rf / but … well, i forgot that i had mounted some things (proc dev (…)
10:03	iqualfragile	)
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10:06	jin_xi	wow, definitely infinitely cool that dungeons are back in!
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10:07	VanessaE	there we go, that should be the last of it.
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10:17	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
10:17	jin_xi	Hey Adam
10:17	VanessaE	morning adam
10:26	* PilzAdam	found a dungeon :-)
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10:28	rotor112	What's the meaning of LIGHTBANK_NIGHT?
10:31	iqualfragile	morning pilzadam
10:33	rotor112	Am I allowed to call him Adamspilz?
10:33	PilzAdam	no
10:33	rotor112	ok
10:33	VanessaE	of course not, how do you know he even takes any pillz? ;-)
10:35	rotor112	Pilz = mushroom
10:35	VanessaE	ok 'shrooms then ;D
10:35	* VanessaE	mumbles something about a snake and a badger also.
10:36	* rotor112	wants to know the meaning of LIGHTBANK_NIGHT
10:38	* PilzAdam	found a BIG dungeon
10:38	* tripod	eats cookies
10:39	* rotor112	wants to know the position
10:40	PilzAdam	seed = 9061539142909761287; go to -242,8.5,-19 and dig straight down
10:42	rotor112	so LIGHTBANK_NIGHT=1 and LIGHTBANK_DAY=0
10:42	VanessaE	bbl. way past my bedtime.
10:42	VanessaE	night all.
10:43	rotor112	that's the reason
10:44	rotor112	why I never meet her at her server
10:46	rotor112	std::cout << bank << std::endl; only says me 0 and 1
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10:53	rotor112	hi
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10:55	rotor112	hi
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11:01	rotor112	hi
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11:03	PilzAdam	New win32 build with dungeons: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4547
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11:08	rotor112	hi
11:10	webdesigner97	hi
11:10	webdesigner97	how can i find out how is online?
11:10	rotor112	look at the list →
11:11	webdesigner97	ok
11:11	* rotor112	wants to know the meaning of LIGHTBANK_NIGHT
11:13	rotor112	how can I get the time in c++?
11:13	Exio	what time?
11:14	rotor112	the time of minetest
11:14	rotor112	eg 24000
11:16	Jordach	rotor112, it can be found from .lua
11:17	* rotor112	wants to know the meaning of LIGHTBANK_NIGHT
11:17	Jordach	LIGHTBANK_NIGHT is the light level at NIGHT
11:17	rotor112	std::cout << bank << std::endl; only says me 0 and 1
11:21	Exio	rotor112: grep the files, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/environment.h#L89
11:22	RealBadAngel	u32 time_of_day = env->getTimeOfDay();
11:22	rotor112	thanks
11:23	Exio	in any case, i think asking those stuff (core dev) is better for #minetest-dev
11:24	rotor112	ok
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11:24	Jordach	Exio, rotor112 going into -dev is a BAD idea
11:25	rotor112	why?
11:25	PilzAdam	s/BAD/GOOD/
11:26	thexyz	i wonder, is it worth to reimplement plantlib in core/c++?
11:26	jin_xi	Jordach: not if you're aware of some single things, like waiting for an answer and reading backlog instead of spamming etc
11:26	Jordach	thexyz, good idea
11:27	rotor112	why does nodebox only work with paramtype light?
11:27	PilzAdam	thexyz, maybe just a function for Lua to get the biome?
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11:29	thexyz	PilzAdam: would be useful too
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11:55	markveidemanis_	Hi
11:55	markveidemanis_	hello i can talk in bold
11:55	markveidemanis	Hmm? how does xchat work?
11:59	markveidemanis	Its quiet here
11:59	Jordach	as usual
11:59	markveidemanis	tep...
11:59	markveidemanis	yep.../
12:01	ironzorg	if you have nothing to say, say nothing
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12:03	markveidemanis	nothing
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12:04	markveidemanis	HI rotor112
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12:04	markveidemanis	10 reasons men are lazy:
12:04	rotor112	hi
12:04	markveidemanis	1.)
12:05	markveidemanis	HI!
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12:13	rotor112	hi
12:13	d
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14:15	ShadowNinja	Error I got a few times on my server, doesn't cause a crash: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5601956/
14:18	sfan5	ShadowNinja: player file corruption
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14:45	Kacey	hi all
14:47	NekoGloop	Do we need two of you?
14:48	Kacey	YoungDerp is my floater
14:48	Kacey	in case i crash
14:51	Kacey	https://github.com/Kaceyproductions/factorization
14:51	Kacey	check it out
14:53	NekoGloop	I never liked factorization in MC...
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15:20	RealBadAngel	http://i.imgur.com/2a2VIYh.png
15:20	RealBadAngel	started on gate menus
15:21	YoungDerp	cool
15:21	YoungDerp	https://github.com/Kaceyproductions/factorization
15:22	RealBadAngel	not much of the content yet ;)
15:23	YoungDerp	still wip
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15:28	jojoa1997	can someone help i keep getting this error
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15:28	jojoa1997	code http://paste.ubuntu.com/5602180/ error http://paste.ubuntu.com/5602183/
15:31	jojoa1997	anyone
15:35	* VanessaE	wanders in
15:35	VanessaE	jojoa1997: did you remember to depend on default?
15:35	jojoa1997	yes
15:35	jojoa1997	why
15:35	jojoa1997	what do you mean and good morning
15:36	VanessaE	thexyz: I'd prefer plants_lib not be made into C++, rather that the heaviest functions be given some kind of C++ hooks so I can still maintain the mod.
15:36	jojoa1997	what is the problem with env
15:36	VanessaE	jojoa1997: just making a guess.
15:37	jojoa1997	that is happening no matter what
15:37	PilzAdam	jojoa1997, do you run this code in the correct Lua environment?
15:37	jojoa1997	what do you mean correct environment
15:38	PilzAdam	is this code directly in the init.lua?
15:38	jojoa1997	no
15:38	jojoa1997	but it worked before
15:38	PilzAdam	can you post the code where you call this code?
15:38	jojoa1997	the init.lua points to other files
15:39	thexyz	same error vanessae had
15:39	jojoa1997	http://paste.ubuntu.com/5602220/
15:39	jojoa1997	that is the init
15:39	thexyz	you try to get minetest.env before it's created
15:40	jojoa1997	how do i creat minetest.env
15:40	thexyz	you cannot call environment methods in main body of init.lua
15:40	jojoa1997	?
15:40	jojoa1997	that is a function for a node
15:40	thexyz	you probably wanted to use closures but did something wrong
15:41	jojoa1997	the function either is turned on by mesecons or it is used as an abm
15:41	thexyz	hence you got minetest.env called
15:41	jojoa1997	local count = table.getn(minetest.env:get_objects_inside_radius(pos, 50)) if count == nil then
15:41	jojoa1997	local count = table.getn(minetest.env:get_objects_inside_radius(pos, 50))
15:41	jojoa1997	that is the right one
15:41	jojoa1997	forget the count ==
15:42	thexyz	i'll check it later
15:42	thexyz	now just google for closures in lua
15:43	PilzAdam	jojoa1997, the problem is in line 53
15:43	PilzAdam	you cant do it like this
15:43	PilzAdam	better use: action_on = function(pos) npc_spawner(pos, "peaceful_npc:npc_def") end,
15:44	jojoa1997	what would i change it to. i need it to e turned on by mesecons
15:44	jojoa1997	oh
15:45	jojoa1997	what about line 61
15:45	PilzAdam	same
15:46	jojoa1997	i thought function(pos) was defining a function why use it there
15:47	PilzAdam	if you do action_on = npc_spawner(...) then it calls the function npc_spawner and sets action_on to the return value
15:48	PilzAdam	but you want to set action_on to a function that calls npc_spawner
15:49	jojoa1997	do i need the end
15:49	jojoa1997	the abms dont have an end
15:50	PilzAdam	yes you need an end for each function()
15:50	jojoa1997	yeah it works now thanks
15:51	jojoa1997	pilzadam what do you think of my pull request adding obsidian
15:52	PilzAdam	it is messed up
15:52	PilzAdam	rebase that to the current upstream/master branch
15:53	PilzAdam	(maybe it would be best to make a new pull request)
15:53	jojoa1997	how is it messed up?
15:54	PilzAdam	your work is not based on the latest code in upstream, wich already adds this abm
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15:55	VanessaE	afternoon, Calinou
15:55	Calinou	afternoon here too :P
15:56	jojoa1997	is this right for replacements relpacements = { GET, summon_core}
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15:56	jojoa1997	relpacements = { GET, summon_core}
15:56	jojoa1997	summon core is what goes in and get is what comes out
15:57	PilzAdam	no
15:57	PilzAdam	replacements = {{"old1", "new1"}, {"old2", "new2"}, ...}
15:58	jojoa1997	replacements = {"old", "new"
15:58	thexyz	VanessaE: why not?
15:58	thexyz	we only need to formalize it
15:59	* VanessaE	shrugs
15:59	VanessaE	Someone else would have to take over maintaining it then
16:00	thexyz	let's say this thing allows us to place nodes over another nodes under some conditions
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16:00	thexyz	well, I'd like to do the same with lua version before including into main game
16:01	jojoa1997	pilzadam it changes the latest code upstream
16:01	jojoa1997	for my pull request
16:05	jojoa1997	relpacements = {summon_core, GET}
16:05	jojoa1997	npc_recipes('dwarf', 'bucket:bucket_lava', 'bucket:bucket_empty')
16:06	jojoa1997	core = lava, get = empty
16:06	jojoa1997	what is wrong
16:06	PilzAdam	see my comment above
16:07	jojoa1997	i did that is right
16:07	jojoa1997	the lava bucket is the old one and the empty is the new one
16:07	VanessaE	thexyz: besides, there is at least one bug in the Lua version I've been too lazy to fix.  I guess I just want to make sure I can still maintain it, so as not to put the load onto someone else.
16:07	* Jordach	flops down on the channel sofa
16:07	VanessaE	(namely, specifying a grow node for the abm-based grow-into-something-else code doesn't actually do anything)
16:08	* Jordach	is currently high
16:08	PilzAdam	jojoa1997, look at the { in my post
16:08	* Calinou	is below Jordach, so he is low
16:08	jojoa1997	so there are 2 {
16:09	jojoa1997	nope doesnt work
16:09	jojoa1997	found the error
16:09	jojoa1997	i put relpace
16:10	Jordach	Calinou, remind me to install the weed mod :)
16:10	VanessaE	Jordach: puff, puff, give! :)
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16:11	Jordach	VanessaE, close contact with two stoners
16:11	VanessaE	lol
16:11	Jordach	this is why im currently high
16:11	VanessaE	Been a long time since I smoked.
16:11	VanessaE	doesn't serve me much purpose except as a pain killer and sleep aid :-)
16:11	* Jordach	is going to flop over
16:12	* Jordach	can't even sit up
16:13	jojoa1997	i dont smoke
16:14	* Jordach	wants to know how hard minetest is while like this
16:17	Jordach	coca-cola is not helping atm
16:18	jojoa1997	i am going to post pics of dwarf soon
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16:19	NakedFury	are you makinng a dwarf mod?
16:21	jojoa1997	no my npc mod
16:21	jojoa1997	i have fast, default, and now dwarf npcs
16:22	jojoa1997	i also plan on having giant ones next
16:22	PilzAdam	why dont you use the API of simple mobs?
16:23	mauvebic	wait if were gonna have this debate we need sapier lol :p
16:24	Jordach	* [sapier] (~sapierpD9E2C128.dip.t-dialin.net): purple
16:24	Jordach	* [sapier] kornbluth.freenode.net :Frankfurt, Germany
16:24	Jordach	* [sapier] is away (Ich bin gerade nicht hier)
16:24	Jordach	* [sapier] End of WHOIS list.
16:24	Jordach	he's here but not here
16:24	mauvebic	ya know, you could end the debate on mob apis by pulling one of them to the engine
16:25	PilzAdam	simple mobs is AFAIK the only one that doesnt lock up servers
16:25	thexyz	any sane mod for minecraft-like item pickup?
16:25	thexyz	which doesn't cause a lot of lag
16:26	jojoa1997	yep
16:26	jojoa1997	item_pickup
16:26	jojoa1997	i will send later
16:27	thexyz	i believe there are multiple versions of this one
16:28	jojoa1997	this one only picks up stuff
16:28	mauvebic	item pickup doesnt seem to make much sense in creative mode either - if you can pull nodes out of nowhere, you should be able to pick up as infinitely a number
16:30	mauvebic	alternatively id have to write a 'hack' (not really) to always keep one empty space in the inventory
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16:39	thexyz	so..?
16:39	thexyz	which is the best one?
16:39	hmmmm	do you guys like there being no generated apple trees?
16:39	thexyz	oh, also, any mod to remove dropped items after some time?
16:40	jojoa1997	feast you eyes on the almighty, the powerful, the amazing
16:40	PilzAdam	hmmmm, apple trees in mapgen would be nice
16:40	jojoa1997	dwarves http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=75079#p75079
16:40	mauvebic	apple trees == default trees?
16:40	jojoa1997	ca;inou has apples go on trees on mapgen in moreores
16:40	hmmmm	no, default trees are just trees with no apples, apple trees randomly have apples in them
16:40	hmmmm	i don't really understand why it was changed
16:41	mauvebic	kk without having to plantem'
16:41	jojoa1997	how do yhe dwarves look
16:41	thexyz	ok, forget my last question
16:41	mauvebic	whats annoying is 'foresting' a region and having apples in all of them lol maybe we could split trees and apple orchards
16:41	hmmmm	people disabling features becasue THEY don't like them
16:41	hmmmm	grr
16:42	mauvebic	which feature exactly?
16:42	hmmmm	ah that was probably why, because they seemed 'out of place' in a mass of trees
16:42	hmmmm	we're still talking about the pre-generated apple trees
16:42	mauvebic	kk well in a 'natural' world you should be able to find food without having to build a farm first
16:43	hmmmm	i agree
16:43	mauvebic	hell you could even throw in random poison berry shrubs
16:43	hmmmm	lol
16:43	mauvebic	we got shittons of those around here lol
16:43	hmmmm	this will break compatibility btw
16:43	hmmmm	trees won't be in the same exact spots as previous versions
16:43	PilzAdam	ummm
16:44	hmmmm	but then again, anything added or removed that uses myrand() would break compatibility as well..
16:44	mauvebic	well i think for most people the important bit is not corrupting old maps
16:44	PilzAdam	hmmmm, the current code uses myrand and not pseudorandom based on blockseed to place trees
16:44	hmmmm	i know
16:45	hmmmm	the thing is, if you add back the check to see whether a tree placed is an apple tree, you're calling myrand(), which changes everything else
16:47	VanessaE	hmmmm: who need generated apple trees?  moretrees has this covered ;-)
16:48	mauvebic	yeah but moretrees aint in default and people need to scavenge for food
16:48	jojoa1997	it needs to be in default
16:48	VanessaE	true.
16:48	mauvebic	one idea: pull moretrees, add a bunch of default looking trees to it, and add a flag enable_fancy_trees... ?
16:48	VanessaE	moretrees is a good candidate for minetest_game, imho, pending final improvements to plants_lib
16:49	VanessaE	mauvebic: default looking trees = beech.  there's code there, you just have to uncomment it.
16:49	VanessaE	and Vadtec is working on a decent couple of trees to be placed in deserts (e.g. junipers and the like)
16:49	jojoa1997	it isnt in hte current moreores
16:50	jojoa1997	the apple thingy
16:50	celeron55	hmmmm: i suggest simply not caring about mapgen consistency, at least for now
16:50	VanessaE	jojoa1997: moreores?
16:50	mauvebic	like i said, pull it :P just make sure you can switch easily back and forth, so people dont go "well they dont really fit in with my buildings/town" :p
16:50	jojoa1997	oh nvm
16:50	PilzAdam	VanessaE, moretrees is definetly not a candidate for minetest_game because its too slow and we are currently in a process were mapgen is moved backt to core
16:50	jojoa1997	i do know there is something that adds apples
16:50	VanessaE	mauvebic: actually I think I already made those beech trees enable/disable via a config option rather than comment/uncomment come code.
16:51	thexyz	PilzAdam: is your mod sane enough?
16:51	thexyz	item_drop
16:51	PilzAdam	lemme look at the code
16:51	VanessaE	PilzAdam: moretrees is as fast as Lua can possibly go.  the slow part is plants_lib, and most of that will be rewritten into C++ to eliminate the slowness.
16:51	mauvebic	the thing is default trees are ridiculously small, and moretrees on the other end are way too big to fit into my cities :/
16:51	thexyz	well
16:51	VanessaE	at least, if thexyz has his way :)
16:51	thexyz	plants_lib is not slow because of Lua
16:51	thexyz	but because of code
16:51	thexyz	mostly
16:52	thexyz	i believe
16:52	VanessaE	thexyz: that's what I mean.  My code is as fast as Lua can go under Minetest.
16:52	VanessaE	we need LuaJIT.
16:52	thexyz	lol, no
16:52	jojoa1997	http://paste.ubuntu.com/5602434/
16:52	VanessaE	lol, yes.
16:52	thexyz	tell me more about string.find
16:52	mauvebic	youve been talking to mijyn :p
16:52	jojoa1997	that is for item_pickup
16:52	thexyz	there are many other things it seems
16:52	thexyz	which could be optimized
16:53	VanessaE	your tests produced invalid results because you weren't testing mods that have heavy in-Lua CPU usage
16:53	thexyz	instead, you're yelling at lua
16:53	VanessaE	like what?
16:53	VanessaE	thexyz: look, I profiled my code.
16:53	VanessaE	I know just how fast it is.
16:53	thexyz	I didn't say a word about luajit
16:53	VanessaE	and it's *FAST*
16:53	thexyz	yes, yes
16:53	thexyz	fast
16:53	thexyz	but the thing is that it can be faster
16:54	VanessaE	perhaps so
16:54	thexyz	and that string.find is just ridiculous
16:54	mauvebic	string.find for what?
16:54	VanessaE	why are you hating on string.find?
16:54	VanessaE	mauvebic: searching some tables for a single entry
16:54	thexyz	mauvebic: https://github.com/VanessaE/plantlife/blob/master/plants_lib/init.lua#L382
16:54	thexyz	because it's just ridiculous!
16:54	thexyz	how've you come to that solution?
16:55	mauvebic	to find walls?
16:55	VanessaE	thexyz: because it was the simplest way that involved the least amount of code?
16:55	thexyz	VanessaE: that's just crazy
16:55	mauvebic	this is for the vines?
16:55	VanessaE	mauvebic: given a node name at (pos), search table {verticals} for a match.
16:55	thexyz	it'd take ~5 lines of code to make it proper
16:55	VanessaE	mauvebic: at present, only poison ivy uses it I think.
16:56	mauvebic	im trying to understand what the function does but it doesnt make much sense to me yet :/
16:56	thexyz	VanessaE: i think this one is used in abm, isn't it?
16:56	VanessaE	thexyz: yep.
16:57	thexyz	in register_on_generated too
16:57	VanessaE	the mapgen code can use it also, but at present I don't think any dependent mod actually uses it.
16:58	mauvebic	spawn_on_surfaces( has a shitton of nested code
16:58	VanessaE	yup
16:58	thexyz	mauvebic: the whole code is not very clean"
16:59	VanessaE	though a few levels of nesting are just for readability
16:59	VanessaE	(like the various if...and...and...and... chains)
16:59	mauvebic	oh they added temp and humidity to mapgen? sweet that just freed up 200 lines of code in my stuff
16:59	VanessaE	mauvebic: no, I added that to plants_lib.
17:00	thexyz	i wonder how much will my server lag with item_drop
17:00	mauvebic	i gaveup on trying to implement humidity when i tried to take into account surrounding water lol
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17:01	mauvebic	whats the diff between spawn_on_surfaces and search_for_surfaces?
17:02	VanessaE	mauvebic: search_for_surfaces is used in the mapgen code to find surfaces to put stuff on :-)
17:02	VanessaE	that's the heaviest routine in the mod
17:02	mauvebic	but shouldn't the former be registering abm's for the grow surfaces, why do you need to search them again?
17:03	VanessaE	mauvebic: because abm-based stuff already has a surface hunting routine by virtue of the ABM nodenames= field.
17:03	PilzAdam	thexyz, my item_drop mod should work
17:03	VanessaE	mapgen has no such feature, so I had to create it.
17:03	mauvebic	ah ok, you wrote functions for plants to spawn as the mapgen is working
17:04	VanessaE	right
17:04	VanessaE	only moretrees uses that code at present; jojoa1997 is trying to hook into it to place NPCs also.
17:04	thexyz	PilzAdam: I've decided to just put everything what fits into inventory and drop out what doesn't
17:04	thexyz	PilzAdam: (realtest here)
17:06	mauvebic	prestibags mod gave me an idea for plants, what if we used animated meshes?\
17:06	VanessaE	thexyz: well anyway if you can improve on it, please so.
17:06	VanessaE	mauvebic: that would require entities.  Nodes have no meshes.
17:07	VanessaE	(none that can be explicitly defined by Lua I mean)
17:07	mauvebic	so instead of spawning plantlike nodes you spawn entities
17:07	VanessaE	right.  there's already a hook that can do this but you have to write a short routine to place one entity at the position given by the plants_lib code
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17:07	mauvebic	theyd look more like plants and maybe even flutter(sp?) in the wind like plants
17:09	VanessaE	seems to me a better idea would be to add a flag to the plantlike draw type to allow the engine to slowly warp the model to simulate that
17:09	mauvebic	yeah but that idea would require a patch/pull
17:09	VanessaE	yeah
17:10	mauvebic	at which point they would probably say to use an animated texture :p
17:11	Jordach	or just write a shader
17:11	mauvebic	thats back in cpp territory?
17:12	Jordach	mauvebic, nono, GLSL shader
17:12	mauvebic	from lua?
17:12	Jordach	mauvebic, nope
17:12	Jordach	minetest/client/shaders/test_shader_2
17:12	mauvebic	though regarding shaders: diffuse (coloured?) lighting would be cool
17:13	mauvebic	for the ambience
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17:13	Jordach	ooops
17:15	mauvebic	what is test shader 2? (found the files)
17:15	Jordach	it controls things such as overall brightnes
17:15	Jordach	lighting
17:15	Jordach	etc
17:17	mauvebic	kk i see where the shader colors come from
17:18	mauvebic	for the lua api, something like : post_light_color = {a=192, r=255, g=64, b=0},   for light sources would be nice
17:19	mauvebic	my neons should have a blueish tint to the lighting, street-lights should be either orange/yellowish or blueish depending where you live, etc. lol
17:19	mauvebic	configurable light sources could be handy for that
17:21	mauvebic	and you cant have a redlight district without red lights :/ lol
17:22	Jordach	the above is true
17:23	Kacey	how do i make a flat world?
17:23	mauvebic	minetest.conf (somehow, not sure)
17:23	Kacey	mg_flags = ?
17:24	mauvebic	https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example
17:24	mauvebic	seems up to date
17:24	mauvebic	oh, and for the love of... which wiki has accurate info on the latest mapgen flags? lol
17:24	rubenwardy	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example you mean
17:25	mauvebic	dunno, pasted the first link from google
17:25	mauvebic	and googling about the mapgen turns up alot of old wikis and posts from 2011 lol
17:26	mauvebic	vanessae the new mapgen does indeed seem to have heat/humidity values (line 304/305 of the link i posted)
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17:27	webdesigner97	hi
17:27	Kacey	got it
17:28	mauvebic	im curious what would happen if i turned on the flatmap flag on an old map from <0.4.4
17:29	VanessaE	mauvebic: that new mapgen isn't being actively used yet, it's still in development.
17:30	mauvebic	well at least in future we wont have to fiddle around to find those values :-)_
17:31	webdesigner97	I wonder wheter it's possible to communicate with a MT-Server from PHP... e.g. if I want to get the result of "/status"
17:31	mauvebic	you could have a mod post to a file or to an url
17:31	mauvebic	if the lua can't do it then you could do with python
17:32	webdesigner97	hmm
17:33	mauvebic	depends if the php is local or external really
17:33	webdesigner97	so i could write the server staus to a file, always when a player joins or leaves? Good idea
17:33	mauvebic	but if you can write a php to take POST input, you can write a lua/python script that can POST
17:34	webdesigner97	I think this "statusToFile" thing would be best...
17:34	mauvebic	or use GET if you dont need much space
17:34	mauvebic	yeah lua can write to file, and you oculd have any script/language read that file later
17:34	mauvebic	street grid a nightmare lol: http://ompldr.org/vaHBvZA/map.png
17:35	webdesigner97	yep. And I can use the functions minetest.get_connected_players to find out who is online...
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17:37	webdesigner97	And i can update this file with "minetest.register_on_leaveplayer" and "minetest.register_on_joinplayer"
17:38	mauvebic	you just need one function with 2 paramaters i think
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17:38	webdesigner97	?
17:38	mauvebic	the first a flag to indicate join/leave, the second for whatever info you want to save to file
17:38	jojoa1997	what group def makes items not go in creative
17:38	mauvebic	not_in_creative=1 i think\
17:39	mauvebic	alternatively you can leave description blank
17:39	webdesigner97	I still don't understand what you mean :/
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17:40	jojoa1997	http://paste.ubuntu.com/5602566/ ?
17:40	jojoa1997	that right
17:40	mauvebic	nope
17:40	mauvebic	not_in_creative isn't a nodedef field, it should go in groups
17:41	mauvebic	though for tools? not sure
17:42	mauvebic	youd need to find another tool thats hidden from creative and see how they did it :/
17:42	webdesigner97	um, what does get_connected_players() return? Can I write it directly into a file or do I have to modify it?
17:42	mauvebic	try it with print
17:43	webdesigner97	ok
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17:43	jojoa1997	is this almost instakill http://paste.ubuntu.com/5602574/
17:44	jojoa1997	also how do i determin the amount of damage it gives
17:44	mauvebic	dont know that much about tools/mobs/damage, is pilzadam/sapier in the house?
17:45	webdesigner97	This code gives error: print(minetest.get_connected_players()) (w8, I'll copy error message
17:46	mauvebic	it probably returned a table then
17:47	webdesigner97	it says "attempt to index field 'env', a nil value"
17:47	mauvebic	minetest.get_connected_players() -> list of ObjectRefs
17:47	mauvebic	so treat it like walking an array of entities
17:48	webdesigner97	ok....
17:48	jojoa1997	i figured out how to make attacking like minecraft
17:49	mauvebic	another tip would be to search the forums for that function and look at sample code of how its used :-)
17:49	jojoa1997	full_punch_interval = 0.1
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17:51	Kacey	hi M13
17:51	M13	celeron55, I finally found the older versions of minetest on github, lol, I love the first github of minetest
17:51	VanessaE	afternoon, M13
17:52	M13	VanessaE, its morning here, lol
17:52	VanessaE	ok, morning then.
17:52	M13	morning
17:52	M13	how are you
17:52	Kacey	its noon here
17:52	M13	I found minetest-0.0.1
17:52	M13	the first version with cmake
17:52	M13	:P
17:52	Kacey	sounds fun
17:52	webdesigner97	omg, the example in http://dev.minetest.net/get_server_status doesn't work.... Access violation
17:54	mauvebic	weirdness
17:54	thexyz	webdesigner97: debug.txt
17:55	webdesigner97	mom
17:55	mauvebic	what does she have to do with it?
17:56	webdesigner97	18:55:57: VERBOSE[main]: Loading and running script from C:\Program Files (x86)\Minetest-c55 Win32\minetest-0.4.4-win32\bin\..\mods\minetest\mtremote\init.lua In trans_func. Access violation at 01471E02 write?=0 address=0 In trans_func. Access violation at 01471E02 write?=0 address=0 In trans_func. Access violation at 01471E02 write?=0 address=0
17:56	webdesigner97	oh
17:57	webdesigner97	Access violation at 01471E02 write?=0 address=0
17:57	Kacey	webdesigner97, do you host the technic recpe list?
17:57	webdesigner97	no
17:57	Kacey	uugh it is WAY out of date
17:57	mauvebic	weird, youre not running out of memory are you?
17:57	webdesigner97	Ram: 56% used
17:57	webdesigner97	so, no
17:58	mauvebic	pointer might be broken
17:58	mauvebic	or dereferenced or wtv
17:58	Kacey	http://ompldr.org/vaHBvdA/screenshot_68193620.png
17:58	webdesigner97	what does that mean?
17:58	webdesigner97	maybe i can just try the same code in mt 0.4.5
17:58	mauvebic	from wiki (brace yourself): A segmentation fault occurs when a program attempts to access a memory location that it is not allowed to access, or attempts to access a memory location in a way that is not allowed (for example, attempting to write to a read-only location, or to overwrite part of the operating system).
17:58	mauvebic	Segmentation is a historic term for the approach to memory management nowadays known as paging (see e.g. Lions' Commentary on UNIX 6th Edition, with Source Code), but the term is still used in the context of "segmentation fault".
17:58	mauvebic	On Unix-like operating systems, a signal called SIGSEGV (abbreviated from segmentation violation) is sent to a process that accesses an invalid memory address. On Microsoft Windows, a process that accesses invalid memory receives the STATUS_ACCESS_VIOLATION exception.
17:59	mauvebic	sorry, easier than explaining in my own words lol
17:59	mauvebic	so youre either out of memory, or its a bug :p
17:59	webdesigner97	hm
17:59	webdesigner97	so it's a bug
18:00	mauvebic	i cant say for sure, youd need the top devs to make that determination
18:00	webdesigner97	it also doesn't work in mt 0.4.5
18:00	Kacey	brb'
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18:01	* webdesigner97	is sad now
18:02	webdesigner97	without this code, everything works fine...
18:02	mauvebic	hmm, well talk to one of the devs about it, if it is a bug, file an issue on github, best way to get it fixed
18:03	M13	yes
18:03	webdesigner97	ok
18:04	thexyz	oh wow how helpful
18:04	mauvebic	lol well what else would you have me do
18:05	thexyz	>Access violation at 01471E02 write?=0 address=0 In trans_func.
18:05	thexyz	webdesigner97: what's in your debug.txt?
18:06	webdesigner97	Access violation at 01471E02 write?=0 address=0
18:06	mauvebic	<webdesigner97> 18:55:57: VERBOSE[main]: Loading and running script from C:\Program Files (x86)\Minetest-c55 Win32\minetest-0.4.4-win32\bin\..\mods\minetest\mtremote\init.lua In trans_func. Access violation at 01471E02 write?=0 address=0 In trans_func. Access violation at 01471E02 write?=0 address=0 In trans_func. Access violation at 01471E02 write?=0 address=0
18:06	mauvebic	thats all of it?
18:07	webdesigner97	no, w8
18:07	thexyz	wow, https://github.com/Herzult/SimplePHPEasyPlus
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18:07	thexyz	should use it somewhere
18:07	thexyz	despite not writing anything in php
18:07	webdesigner97	I'll give line by line
18:07	webdesigner97	18:58:23: VERBOSE[main]: Loading and running script from C:\Program Files (x86)\Minetest-c55 Win32\minetest-0.4.4-win32\bin\..\mods\minetest\mtremote\init.lua
18:08	webdesigner97	In trans_func.
18:08	webdesigner97	Access violation at 01471E02 write?=0 address=0
18:08	webdesigner97	(the last two rows *3)
18:08	webdesigner97	18:58:23: ERROR[main]: Some exception: "Access violation"
18:08	webdesigner97	end of file
18:08	mauvebic	hmm, a windows access violation, is this bug reproducible(gr/sp? lol) on linux?
18:09	webdesigner97	idk, i don't have linux
18:09	mauvebic	what did you do i can try
18:09	* Kacey	is playing with luacontrollers
18:10	webdesigner97	I have a mod with only init.lua. Content of init.lua:
18:10	mauvebic	<thexyz> wow, https://github.com/Herzult/SimplePHPEasyPlus   <-- youre kidding right? lol
18:11	webdesigner97	print(minetest.get_server_status())
18:12	thexyz	mauvebic: http://i.stack.imgur.com/ssRUr.gif
18:12	mauvebic	you sure thats minetest.get_server_status() and not minetest.env:get_server_status() ?
18:13	mauvebic	lol jquery
18:13	webdesigner97	that's exactly the example code from... (w8)
18:13	webdesigner97	http://dev.minetest.net/get_server_status
18:13	thexyz	mauvebic: i love "Related" block
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18:14	Kacey	Nil is the type of the value nil, whose main property is to be different from any other value; it usually represents the absence of a useful value.
18:15	thexyz	> Some people see a problem and think "I know, I'll use Java!" Now they have a ProblemFactory.
18:15	thexyz	oh wow, http://ws.apache.org/xmlrpc/apidocs/org/apache/xmlrpc/server/RequestProcessorFactoryFactory.RequestSpecificProcessorFactoryFactory.html
18:15	mauvebic	webdesigner97 minetest.get_server_status() works for me on arch
18:16	webdesigner97	hmm..... for me it doesn't :/
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18:16	mauvebic	though i sent myself the output of minetest.get_server_status() to a minetest.chat ms
18:16	* webdesigner97	is frustrated
18:16	mauvebic	*msg
18:17	mauvebic	uhuhuhuhuh, java lol
18:17	webdesigner97	You mean "minetest.chat_send_all(minetest.get_server_status())"
18:17	mauvebic	naw just myself
18:18	mauvebic	minetest.register_chatcommand("/t", {
18:18	mauvebic	params = "<none>",
18:18	mauvebic	description = "compass",
18:18	mauvebic	privs = {server=true},
18:18	mauvebic	func = function(name, param)
18:18	mauvebic	minetest.chat_send_player(name, minetest.get_server_status())
18:18	mauvebic	end,
18:18	mauvebic	})
18:18	webdesigner97	ok
18:18	webdesigner97	but my version "minetest.chat_send_all(minetest.get_server_status())" crahes with the same error :((
18:18	webdesigner97	so I can't use it for now
18:19	mauvebic	access violation for win builds
18:19	mauvebic	what version? 0.45
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18:19	webdesigner97	I tried on 0.4.4 and 0.4.5
18:20	M13	webdesigner97, Minetest 0.3.3 is available ;)
18:20	mauvebic	not much more i can do to help :( i can only guess the server info isn't stored where the client thinks its stored
18:21	mauvebic	0.3.3 lol :P did that one have lua yet?
18:21	Calinou	found a way to crash: open console, press ctrl+left
18:21	webdesigner97	ok.... :)
18:22	Calinou	erm, nevermind
18:22	Calinou	probably just a segfault, but the game hanged anyway
18:23	Calinou	PilzAdam: in the mobs mod, when a mob is above/under you, they constantly glitch, maybe this could be fixed by checking distance to player and not moving if less than 1 block away
18:23	Calinou	(horizontally)
18:23	webdesigner97	ok. gtg now. bye
18:24	VanessaE	Calinou: did you see my report re: moreblocks?  circlestonebrick alias missing.
18:25	Calinou	the stairs, or the normal blocks?
18:25	Calinou	minetest.register_alias("moreblocks:circlestonebrick", "moreblocks:circle_stone_bricks")
18:25	VanessaE	the stairs/slabs
18:25	Calinou	ah
18:25	Jordach	^ noob
18:25	Calinou	no u
18:25	VanessaE	lol
18:25	Jordach	no u
18:27	jordan4ibanez	did #offtopic get removed by freenode??
18:28	Kacey	errors...
18:31	M13	Jordach, does anyone play on your redcrab server?
18:32	Jordach	dunno
18:32	M13	I was on there for like an hour and all i saw was greifing
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18:35	Calinou	VanessaE: added!
18:35	VanessaE	thanks
18:35	Calinou	M13: I read "all I did was griefing" :P
18:35	Calinou	it's "griefing" not "greifing"
18:37	VanessaE	Calinou: much better!
18:38	VanessaE	now sdzen's castle looks right again :)
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18:40	VanessaE	now I just need someone to sign on and build a few nice tall towers around the spawn so it looks really busy :-)
18:40	Calinou	Ogb's server has 30 second laga gain :P
18:42	M13	Calinou, i'm not a griefer
18:43	M13	VanessaE i would
18:43	M13	:P
18:44	VanessaE	so get 0.4.5, sign on, and build something :-)
18:45	M13	:-) I already have 0.4.5 compiled and all
18:45	M13	and ok :-)
18:45	M13	let me finish a upload to dropbox
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18:53	PilzAdam	mauvebic, yes
18:53	M13	I connected :)
18:53	PilzAdam	Calinou, I actually like it because they look "confused" :-)
18:55	M13	VanessaE, damn you have alot of textures
18:55	VanessaE	yup
18:55	VanessaE	over 2500 items on the server.
18:55	M13	what mods do you have?
18:55	M13	damn!!
18:55	VanessaE	um, look at the server topic in the forums :)
18:55	M13	that has to be hard on your network
18:56	VanessaE	not really
18:56	M13	hmmm nice
18:56	M13	brb
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18:57	M13	VanessaE, im at 90 %
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19:01	Umbron	hi
19:01	Umbron	someone here?
19:01	PilzAdam	yes
19:01	FreeFull	Maybe
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19:03	Umbron	adam?
19:04	PilzAdam	Umbron?
19:04	Umbron	grüße aus sachsen ^^
19:04	PilzAdam	in Niedersachsen schneit es gerade
19:05	Umbron	wir ham nur dichten nebel XD
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19:05	NekoGloop	Aderp.
19:05	Umbron	und glatteis
19:05	NekoGloop	PilzAderp.
19:07	Umbron	soooooooo
19:11	Umbron	tote hose
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19:20	NekoGloop	#minetest-german pls
19:21	* john_minetest	changes the switch to "english" again.
19:21	* john_minetest	puts a kitten on NekoGloop's head
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19:25	jojoa1997	is it possible to have an entity give of light like lightsource=5
19:25	PilzAdam	no
19:25	Kacey	i ddont see why not
19:26	PilzAdam	the light system of Minetest stores the light value for each node corner as a u8
19:26	jojoa1997	i want to do it without haveing the entity attach to an invisbke node that gives light
19:26	PilzAdam	moving things would simply dont fit into it
19:26	jojoa1997	that should be changed
19:26	PilzAdam	it would be really difficult
19:27	jojoa1997	i have an idea
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19:27	Kacey	hax it?
19:27	jojoa1997	have the entity attach to a nodebox that has the dimensions {0,0,0,0,0,0} and have that node be a light source
19:28	jojoa1997	one problem
19:28	jojoa1997	i dont know how to
19:28	PilzAdam	1st: you cant attach entities to nodes; 2nd: you can simply use drawtype "airlike" 3rd: nodes cant move
19:29	jojoa1997	i will find an example
19:31	RealBadAngel	nodes cant move?
19:31	RealBadAngel	and what is sand doing?
19:31	YoungDerp	entity
19:32	jojoa1997	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4277
19:32	jojoa1997	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2621
19:32	PilzAdam	RealBadAngel, falling sand gets converted to an entity and when hitting ground it will be converted back to a node
19:33	jojoa1997	http://paste.ubuntu.com/5602902/
19:33	RealBadAngel	ofc i know it, but pointed it just
19:33	jojoa1997	the first 2 links are mods
19:33	jojoa1997	the paste is from the second link
19:33	jojoa1997	and they both add nodes above the players head that add light
19:33	PilzAdam	jojoa1997, that isnt attaching objects to nodes but simply adding nodes to the positon of the object
19:33	jojoa1997	now how thay do it idk
19:34	jojoa1997	ok thanks
19:34	jojoa1997	i think it should be considered
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19:35	jojoa1997	PilzAdam how is this not using the new lava function https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/139
19:35	jojoa1997	it edits the function itself
19:37	jojoa1997	also the flow +flow = stone is more sensible since you get cobble from digging stone
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19:39	Kacey	afklunch
19:42	sokomine	how do you call a "bottich" in english? (small, half-heigh barrel, opened on the top, used for washing/producing wine/...)
19:43	jojoa1997	a barrel
19:43	PilzAdam	dictionary says "tub"
19:43	sokomine	no unique term for it?
19:43	PilzAdam	or "vat"
19:44	sokomine	hm, perhaps. i'm not sure about the suggestions from the dictionary
19:45	PilzAdam	vat is a "Fass" and tub is "Trog"
19:45	sokomine	i thought barrel was the translation for fass? tub sounds promising then
19:45	thexyz	oh well
19:45	thexyz	we forgot to redraw the image
19:45	thexyz	it still states "Minetest-c55"
19:46	jojoa1997	for those interested the stable version of my npcs is out now
19:46	VanessaE	thexyz: I already covered that.
19:46	VanessaE	(see shadowninja's pull req and my comment thereon)
19:46	sokomine	jojoa: fine. hope they get added back soon on vanessas server. there's a small house just for them :-)
19:47	thexyz	VanessaE: ?
19:47	VanessaE	you mean the footer image on the main menu yes?
19:47	thexyz	yeah
19:47	thexyz	i only see this one https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/532
19:47	* sokomine	hides from some regular channel users because her barrel requires lots of nodeboxes to look like a barrel
19:47	jojoa1997	vanessae i think i have an alias that will make the old npc name changed to the new default
19:47	VanessaE	thexyz: right.  Scroll down.
19:47	sokomine	when i placed several in one place they suddenly got invisible :-)
19:47	VanessaE	jojoa1997: cool
19:48	jojoa1997	VanessaE download them they are ready
19:48	thexyz	VanessaE: I only see 1 comment by Jordach
19:48	thexyz	and your github page still 404s
19:49	thexyz	wtf is happening?
19:49	VanessaE	????
19:49	Jordach	whats going on
19:49	Jordach	and the ping was for what?
19:49	thexyz	though it clearly states "3 participants"
19:49	thexyz	ShadowNinja, Jordach, VanessaE
19:49	thexyz	strange
19:49	thexyz	(like in horror film, yeah?)
19:49	Kacey	bbl
19:50	VanessaE	wtf??
19:50	VanessaE	why can I see my own pages but no one else can?
19:50	thexyz	VanessaE: http://i.imgur.com/JwcnLJd.png
19:50	VanessaE	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/532#issuecomment-14666475
19:50	VanessaE	does the direct link work"
19:50	VanessaE	?
19:51	PilzAdam	I see the same as thexyz
19:52	VanessaE	wtf!?
19:52	thexyz	VanessaE: nope
19:52	PilzAdam	also this issue by VanessaE 404s: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/533
19:52	thexyz	VanessaE: contact github support maybe?
19:52	thexyz	> I'm started to disappear, help me!
19:53	thexyz	s/'m'//
19:53	thexyz	s/'m//
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19:54	VanessaE	there, email sentg.
19:54	VanessaE	-g
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19:56	jojoa1997	topic updated
19:56	jojoa1997	VanessaE will you add peaceful_npc right now
19:56	VanessaE	well the point is, there's a nice hand-drawn image on there by me, plus a couple of minor code tweaks to shadow's patch to make it look proper.
19:56	VanessaE	http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/menufooter.png
19:57	VanessaE	here's the image in question.
19:57	jojoa1997	also dont change these 2 lines https://github.com/jojoa1997/peaceful_npc/blob/master/init.lua#L2
19:57	VanessaE	http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5602982/
19:57	VanessaE	and here's the diff/patch against shadow's that you couldn't see.
19:58	VanessaE	jojoa1997: not right now, busy.
19:58	STHGOM	does anyone need a model for a mod?
19:58	jojoa1997	yes
19:58	STHGOM	model/animation/rig
19:59	jojoa1997	actually no
19:59	STHGOM	whatsup?
19:59	MinetestBot	GIT: xyzz commited to minetest/minetest: Update menulogo.png e204bedf1d 2013-03-10T12:57:30-07:00 http://git.io/zNxt3w
19:59	jojoa1997	i would want a couple animals but i cant code the movement
19:59	PilzAdam	protip: use simple mobs API
20:00	STHGOM	i can animate animals
20:00	STHGOM	in blender
20:00	NekoGloop	protip: simple mobs is bad and you should feel bad.
20:00	PilzAdam	STHGOM, maybe you can create some nice models for simple mobs
20:01	jojoa1997	PilzAdam
20:01	PilzAdam	if youre done I can change the API to support animation
20:01	jojoa1997	have you thought about adding armor to minetest_game
20:01	jojoa1997	ore different ores
20:02	STHGOM	PilzAdam: i would make it in blender right?
20:02	PilzAdam	yep
20:03	STHGOM	would i animate?
20:03	sokomine	sthgom: sapier enjoys getting modesl for new animals
20:03	PilzAdam	STHGOM, would be nice
20:03	STHGOM	oky
20:04	VanessaE	thexyz: don't like my image?  :P
20:05	jojoa1997	OldCoder
20:06	STHGOM	just say STHGOM if something comes up
20:07	STHGOM	so who would i PM?
20:07	thexyz	VanessaE: what? were you saying something?
20:07	thexyz	;P
20:08	STHGOM	sry if i interuppted anyone
20:09	STHGOM	PM me if you want models!
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20:12	NekoGloop	As long as they're cute.
20:14	VanessaE	thexyz: :P
20:16	STHGOM	haha
20:16	jojoa1997	what does 1/100 servername mean
20:17	Jordach	RealBadAngel, what's the battery size of mining drill mk32
20:17	Jordach	mk3*
20:17	RealBadAngel	hold on
20:18	RealBadAngel	960.000
20:18	Jordach	they take *forever* to charge
20:18	Jordach	s/./,
20:18	RealBadAngel	960k
20:18	Jordach	a requirement of 3.2 MV bat boxes
20:18	Jordach	we need tool charging docks
20:18	RealBadAngel	theyre supposed to be loaded fast by HV batboxes
20:18	Jordach	which we dont have
20:19	RealBadAngel	yet
20:19	RealBadAngel	with time they will come
20:20	Jordach	is the transfer rate of the MV batbox 256?
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20:20	RealBadAngel	it x4, comparing to lv one
20:20	Jordach	which is
20:22	RealBadAngel	1k/s for LV, 4k/s for MV
20:22	RealBadAngel	it is load rate
20:22	Jordach	4000 a second?
20:22	RealBadAngel	yes
20:22	Jordach	oof
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20:22	Jordach	16k for hv
20:23	RealBadAngel	so loading mk3 will take 1 minute
20:24	Jordach	tool benches should discharge their buffer into the tool inserted
20:24	Jordach	say tool buffer lv has 10000
20:25	RealBadAngel	i know what you heading for
20:26	RealBadAngel	but look. mk branches were designed with power usage in mind
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20:26	bulletrulz	hi
20:26	bulletrulz	:D MiJyn
20:26	RealBadAngel	you could craft mk3 before you have proper infrastructure
20:26	RealBadAngel	but then you will suffer from extremaly long charge times
20:27	RealBadAngel	you need to build HV infrastructure to be compatible with cutting edge tools
20:29	RealBadAngel	this in mind shall force players to build up
20:29	RealBadAngel	and get better stuff
20:30	cisoun	why dungeons aren't coded as a mod ?
20:30	RealBadAngel	because such things take a lot of time
20:30	RealBadAngel	caves, dungeons, trees
20:31	cisoun	mmmh...
20:31	RealBadAngel	you DONT want them to be in lua, trust me
20:31	* Jordach	nods
20:32	NekoGloop	MC-like dungeons would be the only feasible lua dungeons. And we all know how ugly those are.
20:32	* Jordach	nods
20:32	RealBadAngel	btw i havent found any dungeo yet, are they rare or what?
20:33	NekoGloop	in MC?
20:33	RealBadAngel	not that i was lookin hardly for them
20:33	RealBadAngel	mt
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20:33	NekoGloop	old MT?
20:33	RealBadAngel	stupid kitty ;) new
20:33	NekoGloop	?
20:33	RealBadAngel	theyre back
20:33	NekoGloop	ah.
20:34	NekoGloop	baka-koneko
20:34	Jordach	NekoGloop, there used to be stronghold like places in minetest
20:34	NekoGloop	(stupid kitty)
20:34	NekoGloop	were there only three per world?
20:35	RealBadAngel	in mc yes
20:35	NekoGloop	I know that.
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20:37	NekoGloop	random: I actually spawned inside a stronghold in MC
20:37	NekoGloop	(lots of random worldgen mods so the seed would be useless)
20:38	jojoa1997	!up 67.241.154.164
20:38	MinetestBot	67.241.154.164:30000 seems to be down
20:38	Jordach	NekoGloop, defeat the enderdragon with only your fists
20:38	jojoa1997	i did
20:38	Jordach	no creative
20:38	RealBadAngel	http://i.imgur.com/C5c6uDZ.jpg
20:38	NekoGloop	Jordach, I'd need eyes of ender.
20:38	jojoa1997	but i also was on creative
20:39	Jordach	dafuq RealBadAngel
20:39	RealBadAngel	Stargates menus are alomst finished
20:39	jojoa1997	RealBadAngel please release the mod
20:39	Jordach	jojoa1997, demanding doesnt work
20:39	jojoa1997	i said please
20:39	bulletrulz	nooo minetest just froze xD
20:39	RealBadAngel	current version is on github
20:39	jojoa1997	please with a mese pyramid on top
20:39	jojoa1997	link
20:39	RealBadAngel	it will be part of technic modpack
20:39	bulletrulz	and is not responding
20:40	RealBadAngel	but still it doesnt work fully yet
20:40	thexyz	RealBadAngel: you should definetly recompile minetest with -DENABLE_FREETYPE
20:40	Jordach	definitely*
20:40	jojoa1997	rba please send me the link through pm
20:41	cisoun	where are those dungeons supposed to be ?
20:42	RealBadAngel	Could NOT find Freetype (missing: FREETYPE_LIBRARY FREETYPE_INCLUDE_DIRS)
20:42	RealBadAngel	Call Stack (most recent call first):
20:42	RealBadAngel	shall i install something first?
20:42	PilzAdam	infinite stone generator: http://www.zimg.eu/i/3930106760
20:43	NekoGloop	Those have existed for a while, Pilz.
20:44	PilzAdam	but this is the first one with the lavacooling in minetest_game
20:44	jojoa1997	pizadam
20:44	thexyz	*Adam
20:44	jojoa1997	please add my pull request
20:44	jojoa1997	it is so much more sensible
20:44	Jordach	^ lolololololol
20:45	PilzAdam	jojoa1997, wich one?
20:45	NekoGloop	Pilz*
20:45	jojoa1997	who says yes to adding this https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/139
20:46	PilzAdam	see my comment on github
20:46	jojoa1997	what do you mean by rebase
20:46	PilzAdam	git rebase
20:47	jojoa1997	i dont know how to do whatever that is
20:47	PilzAdam	then read some manuals
20:47	jojoa1997	what is the problem with the current way i have it
20:48	PilzAdam	your commit add code that already exists in upstream
20:48	PilzAdam	this results in merge conflict
20:48	PilzAdam	+s
20:49	jojoa1997	rba how do you activate stargates
20:51	jojoa1997	RealBadAngel
20:52	RealBadAngel	it is not working yet
20:52	RealBadAngel	im coding now selectin destinations from list of aviable ones
20:52	jojoa1997	cool
20:52	jojoa1997	i suggest being able to place flat on the ground
20:53	RealBadAngel	im not sure bout it
20:53	jin_xi	ok, got the basics of a turtle system working, based off of your code RealBadAngel
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20:54	jin_xi	can now arbitrary angles and soon materials too
20:54	jin_xi	+use
20:54	RealBadAngel	nice
20:54	RealBadAngel	jojoa1997, you can activate stargate with use of function activateGate (player,pos)
20:55	jin_xi	also i could theoretically draw the turtle, the builder that is
21:03	jojoa1997	had to refork but here https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/141
21:04	jojoa1997	will you add it now
21:05	jojoa1997	PilzAdam ^
21:05	PilzAdam	not now, will look at it tomorow or so
21:06	M13	hey PilzAdam
21:07	sokomine	how was the command to set the time to be constant, that is no day/night cycle?
21:07	PilzAdam	time_speed = 0 in minetest.conf
21:08	PilzAdam	or /set time_speed 0 ingame
21:08	sokomine	thanks!
21:09	mauvebic	after sorting through hundreds of watermarked icons, i finally went with the ones i already have lol http://www.zimg.eu/i/3827838051
21:09	jojoa1997	why were wool, vessels, and dye in deafualt game if they have no use
21:10	M13	joja1997, decoration haha
21:10	M13	jojoa1997*
21:10	jojoa1997	in survival
21:10	jojoa1997	?
21:10	M13	idk
21:15	jojoa1997	RealBadAngel make stargets be powered by both mesecons and technic
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21:19	RealBadAngel	mauvebic, i can see you liked the idea for icons as buttons :)
21:20	RealBadAngel	btw i dont know if anybody knew that before, but i found out today that its possible to use /n in infotext
21:21	mauvebic	well with the 0.4.4 version i had image_buttons didn't work :p
21:21	RealBadAngel	like so: http://i.imgur.com/kZhsbyd.jpg
21:22	mauvebic	and i couldn't update to d1 though 0.45's alot more stable >:-)
21:22	mauvebic	+ icons just take up less space lol
21:22	RealBadAngel	yeah, and look much better
21:23	RealBadAngel	one day i will add tooltips for image buttons
21:23	RealBadAngel	theyre needed imho
21:23	mauvebic	and something i read told me the mind associates images much faster than text? dont know if thats BS or not lol
21:23	jojoa1997	no it is true
21:23	mauvebic	yeah tooltips for image_buttons more useful that labels (dont fit) :-)
21:24	jojoa1997	with a picture you see what you see straight from the eyes to the frontal lobe
21:24	RealBadAngel	i made tooltips for item_image_buttons before, so no problem
21:24	jojoa1997	with text it has to travel through your language parts and some more
21:24	mauvebic	yeah and i figured using gnome icons would be easily recognizable
21:24	mauvebic	i was gonna use item image button, but the tooltip would have given a nodename whereas the button represented (say) multinode
21:25	jojoa1997	VanessaE did i crash your server?
21:25	RealBadAngel	those are way too specialized
21:25	VanessaE	yes, you did actually
21:25	VanessaE	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=75133#p75133
21:25	jojoa1997	weird
21:25	STHGOM	bye
21:25	mauvebic	the gnome icons?
21:25	mauvebic	or the tooltips?
21:26	VanessaE	qutie so.
21:26	VanessaE	quite so*
21:26	jojoa1997	i have been trying to crash singleplayer forever with that
21:26	jojoa1997	so i thought that it doesnt do it
21:26	mauvebic	hell im even eliminating 18 tanks and using a formspec with simple outlet icon and fill indicator (tiny green png)
21:27	jojoa1997	guess that is what crashed shadowninjas as well
21:27	VanessaE	well do me a favor.  don't use vertical mesecons until I let you know it's been fixed :-)
21:28	jojoa1997	that wasnt vertical mesecons
21:28	VanessaE	oh, you're right
21:28	VanessaE	I misread it.
21:28	hmmmm	hmm  http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Qasr_Kharana_in_Jordan.jpg
21:29	jojoa1997	wow i just relized i found a lag machine lol
21:29	hmmmm	i am getting bad ideas
21:29	hmmmm	oh man somebody has to do this
21:29	VanessaE	jojoa1997: where?
21:29	jojoa1997	where what
21:30	hmmmm	randomized L-system rooms in a building roughly this size that spawns in deserts
21:30	VanessaE	hmmmm: trivial.
21:30	hmmmm	if it's so trivial then do it
21:30	VanessaE	I've got other stuff to do :-)
21:30	hmmmm	well do it nicely*
21:30	VanessaE	this might be right up jin_xi's alley though
21:31	VanessaE	jojoa1997: the lag machine, where did you find it?
21:31	jojoa1997	finally somone wants to add buildings to default
21:31	jojoa1997	VanessaE i made it
21:31	jojoa1997	i am on world
21:31	VanessaE	I'm there
21:32	RealBadAngel	mauvebic: too specialized i meant item_image_buttons
21:32	RealBadAngel	i need to improve basic ones now
21:32	jojoa1997	crashed?
21:32	VanessaE	holy shit
21:32	VanessaE	no, it's still alive
21:32	jojoa1997	what is amazing
21:33	VanessaE	no, strike that - the server's locked up tight
21:33	jojoa1997	nothin in the gui registers
21:33	jojoa1997	yeah
21:33	jojoa1997	that is a not gate without the overheat safety
21:33	jojoa1997	no wonder it worked on singelplayer
21:33	RealBadAngel	hmmmm, ask jin_xi bout it, hes playing with l-system structures
21:34	jojoa1997	restart it?
21:34	VanessaE	server crashed.
21:34	jojoa1997	yep
21:34	jojoa1997	i found that by mistake
21:35	jojoa1997	muwhahahaha
21:35	jojoa1997	i hold the key to running servers
21:35	jojoa1997	wait vanessae
21:35	VanessaE	I hold a more powerful key.  "delete".
21:35	jojoa1997	no
21:36	jojoa1997	while it is down can you add peceful npc i have had it running for 2 days straight
21:36	VanessaE	no.  and you have *not* been testing it for two days straight - you just got it working via plants_lib yesterday afternoon
21:36	VanessaE	also, the server auto-restarts.
21:37	jojoa1997	i have been having it running for 2 days
21:37	jojoa1997	the npcs are fine it is the stuff like commands
21:38	VanessaE	bah, you merged dwarfs into it?
21:38	jojoa1997	merged?
21:38	jojoa1997	what do you mean
21:38	VanessaE	as in you have dwarf NPCs too now?
21:39	jojoa1997	yeah and what does that mean
21:39	VanessaE	create mode 100644 models/dwarf_commoner.png
21:39	VanessaE	create mode 100644 models/dwarf_girl.png
21:39	VanessaE	etc etc
21:39	jojoa1997	each of the different npcs only spawn in different biomes
21:39	jojoa1997	yeah
21:40	jojoa1997	i merged that today but had it on my pc since yesterday
21:41	jojoa1997	amazing http://i.imgur.com/rf8MOsx.png
21:42	VanessaE	what's that?
21:45	VanessaE	thexyz: github fixed the problem - false positive in their spam protection.  you and others should be able to see my stuff now.
21:46	thexyz	VanessaE: yeah
21:46	thexyz	works now
21:46	thexyz	that spam protection is damn evil
21:46	VanessaE	heh
21:46	VanessaE	yeah, they shoulda put some kind of visible widget to warn me :-/
21:46	thexyz	you don't know no one is seeing you anymore
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21:53	harrison	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqj7NSNC224
21:53	harrison	step aside
21:53	harrison	open wide
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22:01	VanessaE	jojoa1997: please do not put giants into peaceful_npc.  make that a separate mod.
22:01	jojoa1997	why not
22:01	jojoa1997	it will be a rarity of 1
22:01	PilzAdam	bye
22:01	jojoa1997	and giant means twice as big
22:02	VanessaE	because I don't want giants on my server and I'd rather not have to delete pieces of your mod to avoid it
22:02	jojoa1997	i will have a config
22:02	VanessaE	no
22:02	jojoa1997	in the init.lua i will have giants = true
22:03	jojoa1997	it will be set to false by default
22:03	VanessaE	configs get overweitten each time I pull
22:03	VanessaE	overwritten*
22:03	VanessaE	oh ok
22:03	VanessaE	as long as they default to disabled.
22:03	jojoa1997	of course
22:03	thexyz	then these are improper configs
22:03	jojoa1997	but i will be adding a twice as big one
22:03	jojoa1997	no
22:04	VanessaE	thexyz: modfolder/settings.lua or similar is improper?
22:04	thexyz	settings.lua.example is good
22:04	thexyz	+ settings.lua in .gitignore
22:04	thexyz	that way they won't be overwritten
22:04	VanessaE	that's a good idea.
22:04	jojoa1997	gitnore?
22:05	thexyz	that's what everyone uses
22:05	thexyz	(minetest, for example)
22:05	thexyz	even better, you can read default values from .example
22:05	thexyz	then read user-specified ones from .lua
22:05	thexyz	and replace them
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22:05	mrtux	VanessaE, PM for a sec.
22:06	VanessaE	sure
22:06	rotor112	hi
22:07	VanessaE	hi
22:08	rotor112	MinetestBot is quiet now...
22:11	mauvebic	shit is it really 18hrs EST?
22:12	VanessaE	yep
22:12	mauvebic	damn, sun threw me off lol
22:12	rotor112	it's 23:12
22:12	thexyz	nope, it's 2:11
22:12	mauvebic	in europe :p
22:12	mauvebic	in russia :p
22:13	mauvebic	anyone from NZ? lol
22:13	VanessaE	bbl
22:13	mauvebic	i bet you dont all have DST throwing you off though :p
22:13	rotor112	UTC++
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22:15	rotor112	in Fi it's UTC+2
22:16	rotor112	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/RAI-OdeonA228022_02.ogg
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22:16	rotor112	bye
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22:17	rotor112	hi
22:18	rotor112	fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maamme
22:19	rotor112	http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maamme
22:21	rotor112	http://screenshots.getdeb.net/playdeb/media/screens/179/179.png
22:22	rotor112	bye
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22:24	YoungDerp	hi all
22:27	YoungDerp	windows updates...
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22:30	Kacey	hi all
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22:40	Menche	rollback's not behaving properly :/
22:41	Menche	it rolled back like half a dozen nodes the first time and failed all the rest  :(
22:41	Kacey	whtelist Menche
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22:43	Menche	and the server hadn't been logging to debug.txt, so i can't see all the IPs
22:43	Kacey	whtelist Menche
22:44	Menche	just downgraded the default privs
22:44	Menche	for now
22:46	Menche	i'd prefer rollback to whitelist
22:46	Kacey	maybe apply for interact
22:49	Menche	was thinking of making a mod
22:49	Menche	that adds a /request command, which queues up a request for moderators to review
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22:53	Menche	you used a different name
22:54	Menche	?
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22:54	Kacey	aah ok
22:55	Menche	minetest + freetype fonts = awesome :D
22:55	Kacey	lol
22:55	Menche	trying to clean up the spawn area on my server, rollback failed me :(
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22:56	sokomine	menche: oh. are there servers that use reviews?
22:56	Menche	?
22:56	Kacey	i had to protect the main spawn room because of griefing
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22:56	* YoungDerp	test
22:57	YoungDerp	hello?
22:57	Menche	Kacey: you didnt add me, i had to remove that
22:57	Kacey	yes i did
22:57	Menche	i added more protection blocks and added you
22:57	Menche	i wasn't added, at least in all of them
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23:01	cisoun	shortest c program: int main;
23:01	cisoun	wut
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23:03	* Menche	hates segfaults
23:03	Menche	3rd time today
23:03	sokomine	menche: oh :-( that's very bad
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23:06	Menche	there anything that could cause a segfault on chat message in minetest/minetest?
23:06	Menche	it didn't do that when i was using celeron55/minetest
23:08	Menche	ARGH
23:08	Menche	segfaulted again on a chat message
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23:13	sokomine	sometimes the game just keeps crashing for a while
23:14	sokomine	and one of my worlds does *not* remember when i placed blocks there. that is strange :-(
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23:23	Kacey	Menche, http://www.novoseusadosinformatica.com.br/arq/minetest/DOM-modpak-cgmr.zip
23:27	OldCoder	Hi
23:29	YoungDerp	hi OC
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23:29	OldCoder	YoungDerp, Hi!
23:32	sokomine	"Too many vertices for 16bit index type, render artifacts may occur."
23:32	sokomine	maybe those nodeboxes got too many
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23:34	Kacey	hi OC
23:34	Kacey	i am YoungDerp
23:34	* Menche	wonders why Kacey has 2 names on at once
23:36	YoungDerp	i got a new computer
23:39	Menche	i think rollback starts to glitch when the file gets too big
23:41	* ShadowNinja	wishes the rollback log were more compressed
23:42	Menche	would it be practical for it to read the log in chunks?
23:43	Menche	my log was 23MB
23:45	Menche	also, it would be useful if you could specify "all" for the time range
23:46	ShadowNinja	my rollback log is 3x the map
23:47	ShadowNinja	and yes, it would
23:47	Menche	IMHO it should read the rollback log in chunks
23:47	Menche	so it isn't overwhelmed by a larger rollback log
23:48	ShadowNinja	does it load the whole file at once?
23:48	Menche	i have no idea
23:48	Menche	perhaps i shouldn't have assumed that
23:48	Menche	anyway, i do know that the log was 23MB, and it was glitching horribly
23:49	Menche	and it worked really well a few days earlier
23:49	ShadowNinja	this is taking forver to type, I am on a phone
23:49	Menche	there anyone online who knows anything about the actual implementation of rollback?
23:50	ShadowNinja	it does use ablot of memory
23:52	Menche	wow, my server had 11 players on at once at some point
23:52	Menche	and it has 8 on now
23:52	Menche	that'll grow the rollback log
23:54	ShadowNinja	about the segfault, got that before
23:54	Menche	minetest/minetest or celeron55/minetest?
23:54	ShadowNinja	celeron55
23:54	Menche	oh
23:55	ShadowNinja	they are the same, just renamed
23:55	Menche	there's some different commits
23:56	ShadowNinja	all merged
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