| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:09 |
STHGOM |
bye |
| 00:12 |
OldCoder |
Hey |
| 00:23 |
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| 00:23 |
Jakssoul |
'Ello everybody. I'm back. |
| 00:27 |
kaeza |
just my 2 cents: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=59225#p59225 |
| 00:27 |
moltenbot |
kaeza's link: [Poll] Respected Community Members (Page 2) - General Discussion - Minetest Forums |
| 00:27 |
kaeza |
VanessaE, OldCoder ^ |
| 00:27 |
OldCoder |
Hey! |
| 00:27 |
OldCoder |
R |
| 00:28 |
OldCoder |
kaeza, Why, thank you; very kind of you |
| 00:28 |
kaeza |
np OC |
| 00:29 |
Jakssoul |
:( I voted for all three of you guys. |
| 00:29 |
Jakssoul |
xD |
| 00:29 |
kaeza |
just felt I should mention that |
| 00:31 |
Jakssoul |
kaeza, you're very worthy of praise as well. |
| 00:32 |
kaeza |
why thank you! |
| 00:32 |
kaeza |
I just try to help |
| 00:32 |
kaeza |
I'm a bit of jerk sometimes, I'm afraid |
| 00:33 |
Jakssoul |
I've got to say, the Minetest community in general are some of the best people I've met in my short time alive. |
| 00:33 |
Jakssoul |
Definitely the best single group of individuals online. |
| 00:34 |
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| 00:36 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: nice |
| 00:36 |
Jakssoul |
Do people just hop on IRC channels and not participate in any kind of conversation often? |
| 00:36 |
VanessaE |
this topic is kind ripe for...friction, but this is nice. |
| 00:37 |
VanessaE |
Jakssoul: sometimes - but a lot of people you see here are idle accounts, where the user isn't actually there |
| 00:37 |
VanessaE |
and most IRC clients auto-rejoin after a network hiccup |
| 00:37 |
Jakssoul |
Oh, okay. |
| 00:37 |
Jakssoul |
What's "ripe for friction"? |
| 00:37 |
kaeza |
VanessaE: let's troll! I'll just make a line made up of all the names in the list :) |
| 00:37 |
VanessaE |
meaning ther....what kaeza said. |
| 00:37 |
kaeza |
PING for everyone! |
| 00:38 |
Exio |
hey! |
| 00:38 |
Jakssoul |
I'll kill you. xD |
| 00:38 |
Exio |
i'm a nice idler anyway |
| 00:38 |
Jakssoul |
I will punish you with BRIMSTONE AND LIMESTONE! |
| 00:38 |
VanessaE |
"lol |
| 00:38 |
kaeza |
Vanessa E, E xio, e cube, ... |
| 00:38 |
Jakssoul |
:D |
| 00:38 |
Exio |
haha |
| 00:39 |
kaeza |
trollolol |
| 00:39 |
Jakssoul |
You better praise the almighty toe fungus. Or else. (Limestone.) :D:D:D |
| 00:41 |
Jakssoul |
OldCoder, a question? |
| 00:41 |
OldCoder |
This is just for fun: |
| 00:42 |
OldCoder |
http://oldcoder.org/test/121225_xmasfriends.jpg |
| 00:42 |
OldCoder |
Jakssoul, Go on |
| 00:42 |
Jakssoul |
Why do some of the members of this community have such an issue with you? |
| 00:42 |
OldCoder |
Jakssoul, PM please |
| 00:42 |
OldCoder |
I'll be happy to talk |
| 00:42 |
Jakssoul |
I apologize. |
| 00:42 |
OldCoder |
No need for sorry; just PM and we'll talk |
| 00:43 |
kaeza |
OldCoder: nice! |
| 00:44 |
kaeza |
I'll post it on my blog if you don't mind OldCoder |
| 00:54 |
OldCoder |
kaeza, Sure! |
| 00:54 |
OldCoder |
Christmas Friends |
| 00:54 |
kaeza |
thx OC |
| 00:56 |
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| 00:58 |
iqualfragile |
!ping minetest.net |
| 00:58 |
moltenbot |
64 bytes from 5.9.130.165: icmp_req=1 ttl=56 time=9.24 ms |
| 00:58 |
iqualfragile |
ah, great |
| 00:58 |
mrdragons |
!ping fbi.gov |
| 00:58 |
moltenbot |
64 bytes from 72.21.81.85: icmp_req=1 ttl=55 time=81.4 ms |
| 00:58 |
iqualfragile |
fu mrdragons |
| 00:58 |
mrdragons |
:P |
| 01:01 |
iqualfragile |
sfan5|OFF: notice: riding is not dificult to implement anymore |
| 01:02 |
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| 01:03 |
Jakssoul |
Who here is taller than 5'10"? |
| 01:04 |
iqualfragile |
if you convert that to a sane unit you might get answers |
| 01:04 |
Jakssoul |
Excuse me? |
| 01:04 |
Jakssoul |
Oh. |
| 01:04 |
Jakssoul |
Metric? |
| 01:05 |
iqualfragile |
jup |
| 01:05 |
Jakssoul |
Forgot, few people here live in the US. Yeah, we have idiotic measurements... |
| 01:05 |
Jakssoul |
1.7 meters? |
| 01:05 |
JesseH |
I am 5 10 |
| 01:06 |
Jakssoul |
Alrighty. |
| 01:06 |
iqualfragile |
VanessaE: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=59231#p59231 can you add a hint to the first post? casimir more or less continues the mod, so that might be apropriate |
| 01:06 |
moltenbot |
iqualfragile's link: [Mod] Drowning [drowning] (Page 3) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums |
| 01:08 |
iqualfragile |
who was 313hummer again? |
| 01:09 |
VanessaE |
iqualfragile: done. |
| 01:09 |
iqualfragile |
thanks |
| 01:16 |
iqualfragile |
i think its jordan4ibanez |
| 01:16 |
iqualfragile |
but im not entirely shure |
| 01:16 |
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| 01:25 |
kaeza |
Yay! mesecons website is now ad-free! |
| 01:25 |
VanessaE |
yep |
| 01:25 |
kaeza |
Jeija: +100000 |
| 01:32 |
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| 01:33 |
VanessaE |
hey hey neko |
| 01:35 |
sapier1 |
can someone tell me what file format .x is ? |
| 01:36 |
VanessaE |
no clue |
| 01:36 |
kaeza |
hi NekoGloop :3 |
| 01:36 |
VanessaE |
some MS format isn't it? |
| 01:37 |
kaeza |
sapier1: it's a DirectX model format |
| 01:37 |
sapier1 |
ok so i assume only win32 blender is able to export to this format? |
| 01:38 |
VanessaE |
I would think any OS build of blender would work? |
| 01:38 |
OldCoder |
Sure |
| 01:38 |
OldCoder |
Should |
| 01:38 |
kaeza |
sapier1: any blender can export it |
| 01:38 |
OldCoder |
Have not checked |
| 01:40 |
kaeza |
sapier1: if you are looking for tech info, https://www.google.com.uy/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmsdn.microsoft.com%2Fen-us%2Flibrary%2Fwindows%2Fdesktop%2Fbb173014(v%3Dvs.85).aspx&ei=ClXaUKK9NZTm8wSE-YHoCw&usg=AFQjCNHon3NevaHqwBcTV4JFx93OYviDDw&bvm=bv.1355534169,d.eWU |
| 01:40 |
sapier1 |
I've got blender 2.62 and can export to : motion capture, stanford, stl, 3d studio, autodesk, wavefront and x3d extensible 3d |
| 01:40 |
kaeza |
... |
| 01:40 |
kaeza |
this one instead: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/bb173014(v=vs.85).aspx |
| 01:41 |
sapier1 |
so minetests current prefered mesh format is only available on windows ?? |
| 01:41 |
kaeza |
sapier1: no |
| 01:41 |
kaeza |
it's cross platform |
| 01:41 |
kaeza |
since it is a plain text format |
| 01:42 |
sapier1 |
I'll try if x3d is same as x |
| 01:42 |
VanessaE |
it is not. |
| 01:42 |
VanessaE |
x3d = xml :-) |
| 01:42 |
FreeFull |
svg = xml |
| 01:42 |
sapier1 |
then you can't use blender to create an .x file on linux |
| 01:42 |
kaeza |
xml = xml :P |
| 01:43 |
kaeza |
sapier1: what you have to do is use the .blend file format for your work |
| 01:43 |
kaeza |
and export to .x when you are ready |
| 01:44 |
kaeza |
it's the same as working with pics |
| 01:44 |
sapier1 |
kaeza thats the problem ... blender doesn't support exporting to .x on linux |
| 01:44 |
kaeza |
you use PNG/BMP/other raster format here |
| 01:44 |
sapier1 |
at least not 2.63 |
| 01:44 |
kaeza |
sapier1: it does on mine |
| 01:44 |
kaeza |
oh |
| 01:44 |
sapier1 |
do you have linux or windows? |
| 01:44 |
kaeza |
I have 2.62 |
| 01:44 |
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| 01:44 |
kaeza |
Ubuntu 12.04 |
| 01:44 |
VanessaE |
maybe it requires a plugin? |
| 01:44 |
sapier1 |
funny |
| 01:45 |
sapier1 |
I didn't expect export formats to be dropped in newer versions |
| 01:45 |
VanessaE |
sapier1: http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Extensions:2.6/Py/Scripts/Import-Export/DirectX_Exporter |
| 01:45 |
kaeza |
you beat me to it |
| 01:45 |
kaeza |
:D |
| 01:45 |
VanessaE |
ninja'd :-) |
| 01:46 |
sapier1 |
thanks vanessae |
| 01:46 |
VanessaE |
sapier1: hope that helps |
| 01:46 |
kaeza |
http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Extensions:2.6/Py/Scripts/Import-Export/DirectX_Exporter |
| 01:46 |
moltenbot |
kaeza's link: Extensions:2.6/Py/Scripts/Import-Export/DirectX Exporter - BlenderWiki |
| 01:46 |
kaeza |
that's better :P |
| 01:46 |
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| 01:46 |
* VanessaE |
puts a kitten on NekoGloop's head |
| 01:47 |
* NekoGloop |
punts it at OldCoder |
| 01:47 |
iqualfragile |
kaeza: ubuntu is not linux, its just a reskinned windows vista, everybody knows that |
| 01:47 |
kaeza |
lol true iqualfragile |
| 01:47 |
VanessaE |
haha |
| 01:47 |
NekoGloop |
so that's why it doesnt boot |
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| 01:47 |
sapier1 |
I've dropped ubuntu as of 12.10 ... I just couldn't get it running on my system |
| 01:48 |
kaeza |
Unity surely suxx |
| 01:48 |
kaeza |
I prefer something more lightweight |
| 01:48 |
sapier1 |
I didn't even get it running in kde or gnome |
| 01:48 |
NekoGloop |
*nix doesnt work, in general. |
| 01:48 |
kaeza |
sapier1: you should try the ROX desktp |
| 01:48 |
kaeza |
top* |
| 01:48 |
iqualfragile |
http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4182 what you you think about that idea? i think ist a good idea because people dislike replanting trees and so they are killing the forrests, but it should not change all the saplings into nodes but just 1-3 per tree (one would have to calculate a bit to get a propability for one single leaf) |
| 01:49 |
moltenbot |
iqualfragile's link: [Mod] Self-planting saplings [autoplant] (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums |
| 01:49 |
sapier1 |
12.10 has severe mouse cursor issues with tripple screen/dual graphics card setups |
| 01:49 |
NekoGloop |
iqualfragile: It is bad and you should feel bad. |
| 01:49 |
kaeza |
iqualfragile: bad idea |
| 01:49 |
iqualfragile |
kaeza: then should should try the BASH desktop |
| 01:49 |
kaeza |
sowwy |
| 01:50 |
iqualfragile |
thanks for your constructive feedback :D |
| 01:50 |
VanessaE |
iqualfragile: no real opinion on that. |
| 01:50 |
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| 01:50 |
kaeza |
iqualfragile: the problem is that you cut down a tree and KABOOM! instant forest! |
| 01:50 |
NekoGloop |
You should try DOS, it's this brand new OS, guarenteed to run on any computer |
| 01:51 |
kaeza |
NekoGloop: I use DOS 5.0 |
| 01:51 |
iqualfragile |
VanessaE: well, lets see: im gona add it to my server, play around with it and then im gona tell you if you should like it or not |
| 01:51 |
VanessaE |
iqualfragile: haha ok :-) |
| 01:51 |
iqualfragile |
kaeza: use 'reading' drop 1-3 per tree |
| 01:51 |
NekoGloop |
... May i say something? |
| 01:51 |
FreeFull |
NekoGloop: Won't run on a raspberry pi, will it? |
| 01:51 |
kaeza |
iqualfragile: and what happens if you have the bad luck to have two saplings in the same (X/Z) |
| 01:52 |
kaeza |
NekoGloop: sure |
| 01:52 |
NekoGloop |
FreeFull: Nothing runs on a raspberry pi |
| 01:52 |
NekoGloop |
And i say: hi. |
| 01:52 |
FreeFull |
NekoGloop: Linux does |
| 01:52 |
NekoGloop |
*nix is bad and you should feel bad |
| 01:52 |
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| 01:53 |
VanessaE |
*nix Is Your Friend (tm) |
| 01:53 |
FreeFull |
Why should I feel bad |
| 01:53 |
FreeFull |
Why is it bad |
| 01:53 |
FreeFull |
What should I use instead |
| 01:53 |
kaeza |
VanessaE: UIYF? new BBS term? |
| 01:53 |
kaeza |
lol |
| 01:53 |
VanessaE |
he |
| 01:53 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 01:53 |
NekoGloop |
use DOS, duh |
| 01:53 |
FreeFull |
DOS doesn't do most things I want |
| 01:54 |
VanessaE |
there, stupid compose key got un-defined. |
| 01:54 |
kaeza |
FreeFull: but plain DOS is a hell of a system for graphics programming |
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| 01:54 |
kaeza |
or in general to access HW directly |
| 01:55 |
kaeza |
no layers in-between, it's just the program and the hardware |
| 01:55 |
kaeza |
(in real mode at least) |
| 01:55 |
FreeFull |
kaeza: You can do that with an ARM board too |
| 01:55 |
FreeFull |
Everything done by writing to memory |
| 01:55 |
FreeFull |
kaeza: http://io.smashthestack.org:84/arm/ |
| 01:56 |
* OldCoder |
blinks and catches it just in time |
| 01:57 |
kaeza |
FreeFull: amazing! |
| 01:57 |
FreeFull |
Once you set up the graphics chip, you just write to whatever you set as the framebuffer |
| 01:58 |
FreeFull |
kaeza: It's much faster than mode 13h too ;) |
| 01:58 |
* kaeza |
misses the good old DOS days |
| 01:59 |
FreeFull |
Yeah, in the DOS days, the BIOS did a lot for you |
| 01:59 |
FreeFull |
The initialisation code isn't toooo long |
| 01:59 |
FreeFull |
http://io.smashthestack.org:84/arm/freefull_02.asm See the source for my entry |
| 02:00 |
FreeFull |
I set my framebuffer at 0x60020000 |
| 02:04 |
iqualfragile |
sapier1: will your mobs spawn on wool? |
| 02:04 |
sapier1 |
on wool? |
| 02:05 |
NakedFury |
why would they? |
| 02:06 |
iqualfragile |
yeah, on wool |
| 02:06 |
NakedFury |
a wool bug? |
| 02:06 |
kaeza |
back |
| 02:06 |
sapier1 |
if you create a spawn algorithm to make them spawn on wool they will but none of the algorithmes in default mobf package will do |
| 02:06 |
kaeza |
FreeFull: interesting program |
| 02:08 |
iqualfragile |
sapier1: that answered my question, thanks |
| 02:09 |
sokomine |
which mob would like to spawn on wool? insects that eat the wool? |
| 02:11 |
sokomine |
i still think that the mobs don't need that much intelligence. they have to be fast enough to be usable. if a mob drops down and would die...well...heal it and place it somewhere else after detecting its state (if that helps). players may find that funny, but it doesn't matter in the end |
| 02:12 |
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| 02:12 |
Jakssoul |
I'm back, you guys can all stop freaking out now. It'll be okay now. |
| 02:12 |
Jakssoul |
xD |
| 02:13 |
kaeza |
lol |
| 02:13 |
kaeza |
wb Jakssoul |
| 02:13 |
Jakssoul |
Como estas, kaeza? |
| 02:13 |
kaeza |
Bien y vos Jakssoul? |
| 02:13 |
kaeza |
XD |
| 02:14 |
Jakssoul |
Vos? Uruguay must be much different than Mexican spanish. |
| 02:14 |
kaeza |
oh right |
| 02:14 |
sapier1 |
@sokomine most of computing power is used for spawn algorithms if you disable them mobf is using next to no cpu power (except of movement/collision handling itself, but thats done in core) |
| 02:14 |
kaeza |
you use "Tú" |
| 02:14 |
Jakssoul |
Right, right. |
| 02:14 |
Jakssoul |
Well, Mexicans. |
| 02:15 |
Jakssoul |
Soy American. |
| 02:15 |
Jakssoul |
Asi, yo toco la clase de Espanol en escuela secondario. |
| 02:15 |
kaeza |
O.o |
| 02:15 |
Jakssoul |
Toce* |
| 02:15 |
Jakssoul |
Que? |
| 02:15 |
kaeza |
EspaÑol |
| 02:16 |
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| 02:16 |
Jakssoul |
What? You're upset because I didn't use the "Chicka"? |
| 02:16 |
Jakssoul |
Hahaha. |
| 02:16 |
kaeza |
lol |
| 02:16 |
kaeza |
j/K |
| 02:16 |
Jakssoul |
No lo tengo. |
| 02:16 |
Jakssoul |
En mi teclado. |
| 02:16 |
kaeza |
"SÃ, yo tomé la clase de Español en la secundaria" |
| 02:16 |
sokomine |
sapier: yes, i noticed. with the spawn at mapgen it runs very well on my computer. so...spawning "dropped" animals again might not be a solution |
| 02:17 |
kaeza |
lol |
| 02:17 |
sokomine |
hm :-) we might as well start speaking german. that would cover some people :-) |
| 02:17 |
Jakssoul |
Yo no sabÃa que usted habla español tanto diferente. |
| 02:17 |
kaeza |
tan* |
| 02:17 |
sokomine |
but i don't know spanish (or which language is it?) |
| 02:18 |
kaeza |
no tanto |
| 02:18 |
Jakssoul |
Spanish, yes. |
| 02:18 |
Jakssoul |
Quiero aprender Latin. |
| 02:18 |
kaeza |
ah well, I suck at spanish anyway |
| 02:18 |
kaeza |
and I speak natively :P |
| 02:18 |
sokomine |
latin's even worse :-) though it's fun to try to guess what a latin phrase might mean |
| 02:19 |
Jakssoul |
Volo discere Latin. Videre? Hoc est Latina. |
| 02:19 |
kaeza |
Google Translate Win! |
| 02:19 |
Jakssoul |
YES! |
| 02:19 |
kaeza |
:P |
| 02:19 |
Jakssoul |
That's what I used. xD |
| 02:19 |
Jakssoul |
Not for Spanish, just the Latin. |
| 02:19 |
sokomine |
tss :-) don't cheat :-) |
| 02:20 |
Jakssoul |
No tenemos clase de Latin en mi escuela! |
| 02:20 |
kaeza |
who uses latin anyway |
| 02:21 |
Jakssoul |
I want to! |
| 02:21 |
Jakssoul |
The Romans did. |
| 02:21 |
kaeza |
I'd prefer to learn Italian, French, of even Japanese |
| 02:21 |
Jakssoul |
The greatest civilization (Other than the Americans. ;) [Sarcasm]) ever! |
| 02:21 |
Jakssoul |
Italian is rather nice. I'm a pureblooded Italian. |
| 02:22 |
mrdragons |
Are you in the mafia? >.> |
| 02:22 |
sokomine |
iirc there is a small spot in swiss where they still speak some kind of latin |
| 02:22 |
Jakssoul |
My dad is. |
| 02:22 |
Jakssoul |
Legitimately. Chicago Mafia. Serving time right now, because he's a peon. |
| 02:22 |
Jakssoul |
Complete idiot... |
| 02:22 |
mrdragons |
Oh |
| 02:23 |
kaeza |
why do you stereotype all italians as being part of the mafia? everyone knows they are good for Pizza! XD |
| 02:23 |
Jakssoul |
Pizza.. |
| 02:23 |
Jakssoul |
No. You ass hat! |
| 02:24 |
Jakssoul |
Rigatoni. |
| 02:24 |
Jakssoul |
Yes. |
| 02:24 |
Jakssoul |
:D |
| 02:25 |
Jakssoul |
Well, Pizza, and being home to some of this worlds greatest Geniuses. *Cough* Leonardo da Vinci. *Cough*. |
| 02:25 |
Jakssoul |
Who actually spent most of his life in France... Traitor. xD |
| 02:27 |
kaeza |
well, in a plane there are three men, an italian, a french, and an Uruguayan. The Italian says "we are over Italia"; "how do you know?", "Because I see the Leaning tower of Pisa". Then the french says "We are in France"; "how do you know?", "because I see the Eiffel Tower". Then the uruguayan says "We are over Uruguay"; "how do you know?", because they already stole my watch" XD |
| 02:28 |
sokomine |
you're making me hungry.... |
| 02:28 |
kaeza |
</badjoke> |
| 02:28 |
Jakssoul |
YES! |
| 02:29 |
Jakssoul |
That was a pretty good one, actually. |
| 02:29 |
Jakssoul |
Have you heard of the Italian man who went to Malta? |
| 02:29 |
kaeza |
nope |
| 02:29 |
Jakssoul |
Youtube. |
| 02:29 |
Jakssoul |
Right now, buddy. You'll laugh your ass off. |
| 02:29 |
kaeza |
... |
| 02:30 |
Jakssoul |
Sorry, I was kidding about the order. |
| 02:30 |
Jakssoul |
But it's very humorous. |
| 02:30 |
kaeza |
ummm... lol? |
| 02:30 |
Jakssoul |
What? |
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LandMineOG |
Wassssup |
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Jakssoul |
Hey, how're you doing? |
| 02:38 |
LandMineOG |
Oldcoder how are u doing? |
| 02:38 |
LandMineOG |
Fine jakssoul thanks |
| 02:38 |
Jakssoul |
That's always good. |
| 02:40 |
OldCoder |
lahwran, Hi |
| 02:40 |
OldCoder |
Oops |
| 02:40 |
OldCoder |
LandMineOG, Hi |
| 02:41 |
LandMineOG |
Hi oldcoder what u been up too? |
| 02:41 |
OldCoder |
Coding ATM |
| 02:41 |
OldCoder |
For a friend who needs a favor |
| 02:41 |
LandMineOG |
Ohh nice...may I ask the purpose of the application? |
| 02:42 |
kaeza |
hi LandMineOG |
| 02:42 |
OldCoder |
It is statistics I think |
| 02:42 |
Jakssoul |
I'm now looking into making a mod for Minetest. Me being the perfectionist I am when it comes to software.. well.. it will never be completed. |
| 02:43 |
LandMineOG |
Hi kaeza how is ur day? |
| 02:43 |
kaeza |
fine LandMineOG, and yours? |
| 02:44 |
NakedFury |
Jakssoul: start simple enough to satisfy your perfectionism |
| 02:44 |
NakedFury |
1 block |
| 02:44 |
NakedFury |
then expand to 2, repeat and then make complex systems |
| 02:45 |
Jakssoul |
That's probably a fantastic idea. I was about to make something crazy. |
| 02:45 |
Jakssoul |
I'll be back in a few minutes after reading the guide. |
| 02:45 |
iqualfragile |
Jakssoul: what were you about to make |
| 02:45 |
iqualfragile |
-.- |
| 02:45 |
LandMineOG |
Excelent kaeza |
| 02:45 |
kaeza |
good |
| 02:45 |
iqualfragile |
why does that keep happening to me? |
| 02:47 |
NakedFury |
what keeps happening? |
| 02:53 |
OldCoder |
NakedFury, He spoke to somebody who had just left |
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Kacey |
hallo |
| 02:56 |
NakedFury |
hey |
| 02:56 |
LandMineOG |
Its spelled hello kacey |
| 02:56 |
LandMineOG |
Use proper grammar thanks |
| 02:57 |
VanessaE |
German spelling of "hello", LandMineOG. |
| 02:57 |
Kacey |
hallo is german dumbass |
| 02:57 |
VanessaE |
and spelling != grammar. |
| 02:58 |
FreeFull |
Actually, spelling is part of grammar |
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FreeFull |
Not the whole thing, just a part |
| 02:59 |
VanessaE |
you can have piss-poor spelling without trashing your grammar, as long as your misspellings don't result in valid, but out-of-context wording. |
| 02:59 |
LandMineOG |
Wow vanessae u get more man with me all the time |
| 03:00 |
VanessaE |
eh? |
| 03:00 |
LandMineOG |
Its christmas give me a break gosh |
| 03:00 |
LandMineOG |
More mean******* |
| 03:00 |
VanessaE |
LandMineOG: translation: grammar nazi FAIL. |
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OldCoder |
Jakssoul, wb |
| 03:01 |
LandMineOG |
Vanessae u know english isn't my native language |
| 03:01 |
Jakssoul |
Sorry, had to help a kid with his new Christmas present. Some foster kid that's here. |
| 03:02 |
VanessaE |
That does it. I'm gonna have to give you an "F". |
| 03:02 |
Jakssoul |
He got a $250 3DS game system.. >_> |
| 03:02 |
* VanessaE |
writes a big, red "F" on LandMineOG's hat |
| 03:02 |
LandMineOG |
Don't put me on the spot |
| 03:02 |
* LandMineOG |
is sad |
| 03:02 |
Jakssoul |
Have you guys seen the Augmented Reality those things have!? |
| 03:02 |
Jakssoul |
IT'S AMAZING! Like, mind-blowingly amazing. |
| 03:03 |
VanessaE |
Jakssoul: not yet. in fact I haven't even *seen* a 3DS in operation at all. |
| 03:03 |
Jakssoul |
I pretty much despise Nintendo products, but WOW. |
| 03:03 |
Jakssoul |
Yeah. They're... eh. But I'm just saying for the AR technology. |
| 03:03 |
Jakssoul |
Mind blowing. |
| 03:04 |
LandMineOG |
Oldcoder...vanessae is being a bully....she is making fun of my grammar |
| 03:05 |
Jakssoul |
You might deserve it. |
| 03:05 |
Jakssoul |
(Kidding.) |
| 03:05 |
VanessaE |
"So these people have the cake AND eat it too AND the cake is a lie." <-- there is so much wrong with that sentence that I don't even know where to start. :-) |
| 03:05 |
VanessaE |
(closing sentence on a post on slashdot regarding people buying tablets instead of more PCs etc) |
| 03:05 |
Jakssoul |
The cake is a lie! |
| 03:06 |
Jakssoul |
Would it make me seem gay to wear shin high Batman socks? XD My Fiance got me them for Christmas. (In case you were wondering, I am Batman.) |
| 03:07 |
kaeza |
haven't played portal yet :/ |
| 03:07 |
OldCoder |
LandMineOG, making fun? No... Too rigid probably |
| 03:07 |
Jakssoul |
I just heard about it in Game Informer. Portal was.... not my slice of.. wait for it... CAKE! XD |
| 03:07 |
Kacey |
you cant be batman I AM BATMAN!!!!! |
| 03:07 |
VanessaE |
Jakssoul: I see no reason to avoid them. |
| 03:07 |
Jakssoul |
You are NOT Batman!!!!! |
| 03:07 |
Jakssoul |
Yo soy Batman. |
| 03:07 |
Jakssoul |
Me llamo Batman. |
| 03:07 |
OldCoder |
Jakssoul, Fiance? |
| 03:07 |
Jakssoul |
There. I just said it in Spanish in two different ways. |
| 03:07 |
VanessaE |
you're a llama bat man? :-) |
| 03:07 |
Kacey |
estoy batman |
| 03:07 |
Jakssoul |
Yes sir, OldCoder. |
| 03:08 |
OldCoder |
I C |
| 03:08 |
Jakssoul |
So you are only Batman for a temporary span of time? |
| 03:08 |
Jakssoul |
Why, OldCoder? |
| 03:08 |
OldCoder |
Jakssoul, you are relatively young |
| 03:08 |
Kacey |
until i take off my suit |
| 03:08 |
OldCoder |
Serious about marriage? |
| 03:09 |
Jakssoul |
Absolutely. I'm going to be 18 in a few days here? |
| 03:09 |
OldCoder |
Yes |
| 03:09 |
Jakssoul |
I've been with this girl for almost three years. |
| 03:09 |
OldCoder |
All right |
| 03:09 |
kaeza |
wow 18? |
| 03:09 |
Jakssoul |
She's the only thing that's kept me going. |
| 03:09 |
OldCoder |
O.K. |
| 03:09 |
Jakssoul |
Yeah, why, kaeza? |
| 03:09 |
LandMineOG |
Jakssoul are u getting married because u got her pregnant right? |
| 03:09 |
kaeza |
nothing :) |
| 03:09 |
Jakssoul |
NO! Hahaha. |
| 03:09 |
kaeza |
thought you were older |
| 03:09 |
kaeza |
touché from LandMineOG |
| 03:10 |
Jakssoul |
She is not at all pregnant. I hope! xD (She's not.) |
| 03:10 |
LandMineOG |
I like u jakssoul...u have a sense of humor |
| 03:10 |
Jakssoul |
Well thanks. You actually got me to laugh out loud. Maybe in nervousness, but still. |
| 03:10 |
Kacey |
humor? |
| 03:10 |
Kacey |
nobody has seen my humor |
| 03:10 |
Jakssoul |
kaeza, proper grammar can give the appearance of maturity online it seems. |
| 03:11 |
Jakssoul |
So if MT runs off of these LUA scripts, then what does MC run off of? |
| 03:11 |
kaeza |
lol u r gay |
| 03:11 |
VanessaE |
Jakssoul: Java |
| 03:11 |
kaeza |
now I sound like a COD player :P |
| 03:11 |
tjbarber |
except when it comes to capitalization, Jakssoul. ;) |
| 03:11 |
Jakssoul |
Hahahaah! No kidding. I could never stand Call of Duty online. |
| 03:11 |
Jakssoul |
What do you mean, tjbarber? |
| 03:12 |
iqualfragile |
calpitaliwhat? |
| 03:12 |
Kacey |
Jakssoul: notch's farts and drugs |
| 03:12 |
Jakssoul |
HAHAHA! I just absolutely died of laughter. Oh my. |
| 03:12 |
VanessaE |
capitalization need not get too much attention, except for the word "I"... that one's just irritating to see written wrong :-) |
| 03:12 |
tjbarber |
Jakssoul, a lot of activity in IRC channels doesn't start with capitalization for some reason |
| 03:12 |
Jakssoul |
I didn't capitalize kaeza's name because he does not capitalize it himself. |
| 03:12 |
tjbarber |
LOL yes VanessaE =P |
| 03:12 |
VanessaE |
one bloody letter and people can't even bother with that much :-) |
| 03:12 |
Jakssoul |
Ohhhh! Got it. |
| 03:12 |
kaeza |
VanessaE: i think the same |
| 03:12 |
kaeza |
lol u mad? |
| 03:12 |
Kacey |
really? because i neverr capitalize i |
| 03:13 |
Jakssoul |
I Used To Always Type Like This. |
| 03:13 |
tjbarber |
meh |
| 03:13 |
Jakssoul |
So Be Very Thankful I No Longer Do. |
| 03:13 |
tjbarber |
lol Jakssoul |
| 03:13 |
tjbarber |
everything's a movie. |
| 03:13 |
Jakssoul |
I got SO much crap for it years ago. |
| 03:13 |
Jakssoul |
I just stopped two or three years ago. |
| 03:13 |
iqualfragile |
my client automaticly captializes names when i use tab to autocomplete then |
| 03:13 |
kaeza |
AND DON'T BE ANNOYING AND WRITE LIKE THIS EITHER |
| 03:14 |
Jakssoul |
I didn't even realize I could tab to autocomplete names. :( |
| 03:14 |
tjbarber |
Jakssoul, why would you ever want to hit the shift key for the beginning of very word? xD |
| 03:14 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: that does it. I'm giving you an "F"! |
| 03:14 |
Jakssoul |
Thanks for letting me know, iqualfragile! |
| 03:14 |
* VanessaE |
writes a big, red "F" on kaeza's hat. |
| 03:14 |
Jakssoul |
I don't know, tjbarber, just did! |
| 03:14 |
* Kacey |
wants an "F" |
| 03:14 |
Jakssoul |
VanessaE, how do I do that... "action" thing? |
| 03:14 |
tjbarber |
oh gosh kaeza, that looks like one of those emails that grandmothers send to everyone in their contacts |
| 03:14 |
Jakssoul |
THAT! How do I do it? |
| 03:14 |
Kacey |
do /me |
| 03:14 |
VanessaE |
Jakssoul: /me does something |
| 03:14 |
* Jakssoul |
Eats lots of lies. |
| 03:14 |
* VanessaE |
does something |
| 03:15 |
Jakssoul |
Yay! |
| 03:15 |
* kaeza |
adds VanessaE's "F" to his collection. he surely sucks at english |
| 03:15 |
Jakssoul |
I've been wondering that for a while. Thanks, Kacey and VanessaE. |
| 03:15 |
* Kacey |
really wants that "F" |
| 03:15 |
* Jakssoul |
Gives Kacey an "F". |
| 03:15 |
tjbarber |
on Textual there is /slap |
| 03:16 |
* tjbarber |
slaps Jakssoul around a bit with a large trout |
| 03:16 |
Jakssoul |
Mine probably isn't good enough. |
| 03:16 |
VanessaE |
jeez, did no one here ever watch Animaniacs? |
| 03:16 |
kaeza |
fck Pidgin: /slap: unknown command |
| 03:16 |
tjbarber |
lol Animaniacs XD |
| 03:16 |
* Kacey |
eats the "F" |
| 03:16 |
* Jakssoul |
stares in horror. |
| 03:16 |
Kacey |
mmmmmm fudge |
| 03:16 |
Jakssoul |
NOOOO! That "F" was made with L0v3! |
| 03:16 |
kaeza |
heeeelloooooo NURSE! |
| 03:16 |
Kacey |
i am the 1337 |
| 03:17 |
tjbarber |
ಠ_ಠwut |
| 03:17 |
Jakssoul |
66, 4 26 743 5337. |
| 03:17 |
kaeza |
Kacey: no u r a n008 |
| 03:17 |
Jakssoul |
I use T9 code, nobody ever figures it out. ;) |
| 03:17 |
kaeza |
0 3 0 3 456 |
| 03:17 |
* kaeza |
is singing |
| 03:17 |
Kacey |
n008? n008? n000000000000000000!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:17 |
Jakssoul |
Usually I don't tell people I'm using T9 code... so yeah. xD |
| 03:18 |
Jakssoul |
0 3 0 3 456 = Nothing. |
| 03:18 |
kaeza |
Jakssoul: that's prone to "lol autocorrect"! |
| 03:18 |
Jakssoul |
9428? |
| 03:18 |
Jakssoul |
4 366'8 438 48? |
| 03:20 |
kaeza |
C;D;)f; |
| 03:20 |
kaeza |
^_^ |
| 03:20 |
LandMineOG |
So what did santa bring u guys? |
| 03:20 |
Jakssoul |
Santa brought me nothing. |
| 03:20 |
LandMineOG |
Besides aids kaeza |
| 03:20 |
Jakssoul |
So, yeah. I have a fantastic way of ruining the mood. :( |
| 03:21 |
* Jakssoul |
Goes and sits in a corner to cry. |
| 03:21 |
Jakssoul |
Bahahah. |
| 03:21 |
kaeza |
well, santa gave me an empty box |
| 03:22 |
Jakssoul |
I didn't even get an empty box! |
| 03:22 |
* Jakssoul |
Cries more. |
| 03:22 |
Kacey |
EMPTY BOX!!!!!!!! im jealous |
| 03:22 |
kaeza |
so I could pack my stuff and GTFO my parents' house :D |
| 03:22 |
* Jakssoul |
is going to be right back. |
| 03:22 |
Kacey |
all i got was 12 months of xbox live gold... |
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| 03:24 |
TorpedoSkyline |
oi |
| 03:24 |
TorpedoSkyline |
ok, this is tjbarber but under hacker guise ;P |
| 03:24 |
NakedFury |
some lego architecture editions and an android tablet |
| 03:25 |
Jakssoul |
Kacey, I got a pair of socks. |
| 03:25 |
Jakssoul |
From my Fiance. Oh, and a Batman shirt. From her as well |
| 03:25 |
Jakssoul |
That was my Christmas. I don't wanna hear it. xD |
| 03:25 |
kaeza |
A pair of sneakers and a bottle of whiskey for me |
| 03:25 |
VanessaE |
my Christmas was the same as every year - a movie and chinese food :-) |
| 03:25 |
Jakssoul |
I don't drink, so.. Glad I didn't get any whiskey? xD |
| 03:26 |
Jakssoul |
Movie and Chinese. Very, very nice. |
| 03:27 |
Kacey |
my christmas was sleeping |
| 03:27 |
VanessaE |
good way to spend it |
| 03:27 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 03:27 |
Jakssoul |
Absolutely. |
| 03:27 |
Kacey |
mostly because i was sick |
| 03:28 |
Jakssoul |
Oh. I'm sorry. :/ |
| 03:28 |
Kacey |
sore throat and congested chest |
| 03:28 |
VanessaE |
oh that sucks :( |
| 03:28 |
Kacey |
bad coughing fits |
| 03:28 |
kaeza |
I'm glad to be of the southern hemisphere. fcking 35 degrees Celsius |
| 03:29 |
Jakssoul |
You know, anytime I boot puppy linux, it claims my laptop is 85 degrees Celsius. Wouldn't that literally melt the plastic? |
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youlysses |
There any "big" technological inspired mods out? |
| 04:11 |
NakedFury |
technic |
| 04:12 |
NakedFury |
found a drowning and hunger mods too |
| 04:13 |
youlysses |
NakedFury: I thought that was exclussively *minecraft* based? |
| 04:14 |
kaeza |
neither hunger nor drowning worked last time I tested |
| 04:14 |
NakedFury |
really? |
| 04:14 |
NakedFury |
they dont have bars |
| 04:14 |
kaeza |
hunger kept killing me after eating apples |
| 04:14 |
mrdragons |
lol |
| 04:14 |
kaeza |
and drowning did not do anything when underwater |
| 04:15 |
NakedFury |
they need bars and a underwater check |
| 04:15 |
kaeza |
I waited for like five minutes but no damage |
| 04:16 |
kaeza |
I should test again with latest version ^_^ |
| 04:22 |
VanessaE |
"technological" inspired? |
| 04:22 |
VanessaE |
there's mesecons of course. |
| 04:23 |
youlysses |
Minetest forums down again? |
| 04:23 |
VanessaE |
crap. it would appear so. |
| 04:26 |
kaeza |
VanessaE: yes |
| 04:26 |
kaeza |
forums down again :/ |
| 04:27 |
kaeza |
oh sorry |
| 04:27 |
kaeza |
youlysses: ^ |
| 04:29 |
youlysses |
Yeah, that's what I thought. :-P |
| 04:34 |
VanessaE |
youlysses: there's also a few misc. electronic devices in Home Decor, but they mostly don't do anything. |
| 04:36 |
Exio |
well, talking about that, any way to add things to 'the GUI' like bars? |
| 04:36 |
VanessaE |
not at present. |
| 04:37 |
Exio |
hm, that explains why hunger/drowing don't have bars :P |
| 04:38 |
youlysses |
VanessaE: I'd like to see some game, not nesscarily minetest, that the core of the game is focused around this. Though I guessed this could be accomplished via a bundle of mods. :-P |
| 04:40 |
VanessaE |
afaik any server that has mesecons, technic, industrial, and homedecor pretty much covers the gamut of technology in minetest right now |
| 04:44 |
Exio |
any thing like ravines in the world gen atm? |
| 04:44 |
VanessaE |
not explicitly, but sometimes you get them randomly. |
| 04:44 |
VanessaE |
depending on your definition of such |
| 04:46 |
Exio |
some big hole in the ground with a big fall between the top and the 'ground' :P |
| 04:46 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 04:46 |
VanessaE |
well I see those quite often, but to me a ravine is that, but as a long channel e.g. like a canyon |
| 04:47 |
Exio |
yeah :P |
| 04:47 |
Exio |
btw, your texture pack is awesome, 64x version here <netbook>, between 30 and 50 FPS, like using default :D |
| 04:47 |
Exio |
and it looks a lot better |
| 04:47 |
VanessaE |
thanks :-) |
| 04:49 |
VanessaE |
do you have the version with the fancy splash screen? :-) |
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| 04:50 |
Kacey |
VanessaE? |
| 04:50 |
VanessaE |
hm? |
| 04:50 |
Kacey |
where can i see the crafting for the mese update |
| 04:50 |
VanessaE |
which recipe? |
| 04:50 |
Exio |
hehe, i think, i have the last git 'release' in your github :P |
| 04:50 |
VanessaE |
there are a few different ones |
| 04:51 |
VanessaE |
Exio: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2012172012%20-%2003:15:04%20AM.png |
| 04:51 |
Kacey |
all of them |
| 04:51 |
VanessaE |
Kacey: they're not listed anywhere explicitly yet. |
| 04:51 |
VanessaE |
dig a mese crystals in stone to get a crystal, use three of those + 2 sticks to make a pick, or craft 1 by itself to get fragments, or craft 9 to get a mese block. |
| 04:52 |
Kacey |
how about mese coins? |
| 04:52 |
VanessaE |
mese coins is unrelated |
| 04:52 |
VanessaE |
and the author of the mod in question decided to base it on gold insted. |
| 04:52 |
VanessaE |
instead. |
| 04:52 |
Kacey |
ooh wow |
| 04:53 |
Kacey |
ok what do fragments do? |
| 04:53 |
Exio |
ah, yeah, the fancy splash version :P |
| 04:53 |
VanessaE |
Kacey: right now not much - ufos and peaceful_npc mods use them to craft things. |
| 04:54 |
Kacey |
ooh ok |
| 04:54 |
VanessaE |
Kacey: they're too new to really "do" anything yet until people start using them in crafting recipes |
| 04:55 |
kaeza |
aaaaand minetest.net is still down :/ |
| 04:55 |
VanessaE |
yup |
| 04:56 |
kaeza |
celeron55 should try finding a better host |
| 04:57 |
kaeza |
cjb.net is a good one IMHO |
| 04:57 |
kaeza |
I don't recall if they support php |
| 04:58 |
Exio |
something related to tools, any way to force some block "drop" anything what isn't the block itself (like making a special tool for breaking stone and getting it, or a overheat pickaxe) |
| 04:58 |
Exio |
+? |
| 04:58 |
Exio |
:P |
| 04:59 |
VanessaE |
Exio: based on the particular tool? not sure. dropping a node other than what was dug, regardless of the tool, is easy |
| 05:00 |
Exio |
hm |
| 05:01 |
Exio |
i want the based on the tool thing |
| 05:02 |
VanessaE |
I guess you could watch for the pointed item to appear in the inventory and exchange it for something else |
| 05:02 |
VanessaE |
and do that only if a particular tool is wielded at the time |
| 05:03 |
Exio |
i think it had some 'very easy way', like on_dig (return otherblock) or whatever |
| 05:06 |
Exio |
and other very 'visual' thing, is possible to change the color of the "block hitbox" when you aim them? |
| 05:07 |
kaeza |
lol trolling FTW! http://cheezburger.com/6866364160 |
| 05:07 |
moltenbot |
kaeza's link: Except During a Leap Year..... - Cheezburger |
| 05:08 |
kaeza |
totally hilarious |
| 05:18 |
* youlysses |
wishes that fedora had a more current release packaged. |
| 05:19 |
youlysses |
...Oh well, I won't be on it for atmost another week. :-P |
| 05:21 |
Exio |
ff |
| 05:21 |
Exio |
minetest segfaulted |
| 05:21 |
Exio |
and i don't know why, the console only say seg fault :/ |
| 05:22 |
kaeza |
Exio: debug.txt? |
| 05:25 |
Exio |
hm |
| 05:27 |
Exio |
i don't see any error |
| 05:27 |
Exio |
related for that |
| 05:28 |
kaeza |
mods installed? |
| 05:28 |
Exio |
nope |
| 05:28 |
Exio |
just default |
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| 05:29 |
Exio |
my debug.txt is flooded with lines like it: 05:17:01: INFO[ServerThread]: WARNING: active block modifiers took 719ms (longer than 200ms) |
| 05:29 |
Exio |
poor netbook :P |
| 05:29 |
kaeza |
hmm |
| 05:30 |
kaeza |
do something for me: |
| 05:30 |
kaeza |
delete debug.txt |
| 05:30 |
Exio |
but, i don't know how to 'produce' the bug! hehe |
| 05:30 |
kaeza |
start game, and when it crashes, pastebin or upload debug.txt |
| 05:30 |
kaeza |
hmm |
| 05:31 |
Exio |
wow, 27 MB my debug.txt |
| 05:31 |
* kaeza |
's debug.txt was 2GB |
| 05:31 |
Exio |
i don't have enough space for that atm :P |
| 05:32 |
kaeza |
Exio: maybe you don't have enough memory |
| 05:32 |
kaeza |
or processing power |
| 05:32 |
Exio |
intel atom n270 with 1gb (ram) |
| 05:33 |
kaeza |
hmm, the processor is not bad, but I guess if 1GB is enuff... |
| 05:33 |
Exio |
isn't bad? :P |
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kaeza |
Intel® Atom™ Processor N270 (512K Cache, 1.60 GHz, 533 MHz FSB) |
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Exio |
well, i will get a bulldozer soon :D |
| 05:42 |
Exio |
going to sleep, night |
| 05:44 |
kaeza |
night Exio |
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us_0gb |
Hello! |
| 06:06 |
OldCoder |
Hi |
| 06:06 |
VanessaE |
welcome, 0gb ;) |
| 06:07 |
NakedFury |
what is the name of your light block vanessa? homedecor:? |
| 06:08 |
us_0gb |
VanessaE, I think your server just booted me. |
| 06:08 |
VanessaE |
homedecor:light_panel I think |
| 06:08 |
VanessaE |
us_0gb: you timed out I think. |
| 06:09 |
VanessaE |
NakedFury: lemme chek |
| 06:09 |
VanessaE |
homedecor:glowlight_thick_yellow |
| 06:09 |
us_0gb |
Great, now my window's frozen, and I'm not running from the command line this time Quick, xkill! xkill! |
| 06:10 |
VanessaE |
or thick_white or thin_yellow or thin_white |
| 06:10 |
NakedFury |
going to test i |
| 06:10 |
NakedFury |
t |
| 06:10 |
VanessaE |
there's also a wall version, and a ceiling- or floor-mounted cube in yellow and white |
| 06:10 |
VanessaE |
us_0gb: crashola eh? :-) |
| 06:11 |
us_0gb |
More of a freeze than a crash, I think. The window wouldn't close. |
| 06:13 |
VanessaE |
figures.. |
| 06:14 |
VanessaE |
my server tends to stress peoples' clients just a little ;) |
| 06:14 |
us_0gb |
That, and my client love freezing and crashing. |
| 06:14 |
us_0gb |
*loves |
| 06:14 |
VanessaE |
as does mine |
| 06:14 |
VanessaE |
no matter whose server i'm on |
| 06:14 |
VanessaE |
I'm* |
| 06:18 |
kaeza |
meh forums still down |
| 06:18 |
kaeza |
o hai us_0gb |
| 06:18 |
VanessaE |
yup :-/ |
| 06:19 |
us_0gb |
Yeah. It came up for a little bit, then went down again. |
| 06:19 |
us_0gb |
tAnd hello! |
| 06:19 |
us_0gb |
I think I just hit "t" to input text .... |
| 06:19 |
kaeza |
lol |
| 06:19 |
VanessaE |
you did :-) |
| 06:19 |
kaeza |
too much MT |
| 06:19 |
* us_0gb |
slaps forhead |
| 06:20 |
mrdragons |
lol |
| 06:20 |
VanessaE |
at least in IRC you don't have to worry about F10 crashing your client;) |
| 06:20 |
us_0gb |
Huh. F10 open one of my menus on IRC. |
| 06:20 |
kaeza |
F10 is a standard hotkey for "Menu" |
| 06:21 |
kaeza |
almost the same as pressing/releasing Alt |
| 06:21 |
us_0gb |
I was unaware. I don't really use my F keys. |
| 06:21 |
VanessaE |
what weird, mutates OD do you run that Alt is a meny key? ;-) |
| 06:22 |
kaeza |
on Ubuntu, it brings up the search bar |
| 06:22 |
kaeza |
and on Win it activates the leftmost menu |
| 06:22 |
us_0gb |
Yeah, alt alone isn't doing anything for me. And I'm on Ubuntu. |
| 06:22 |
VanessaE |
I use Xubuntu, which lacks such weird things :-) |
| 06:23 |
us_0gb |
My Ubuntu lacks such weird things too. |
| 06:24 |
kaeza |
Ubuntu 12.04 here |
| 06:24 |
kaeza |
using Unity |
| 06:24 |
us_0gb |
Ubuntu 12.04.1 with Gnome fallback. |
| 06:24 |
VanessaE |
Xubuntu 12.04 here because 12.10 is a steaming pile of horse manure. :-) |
| 06:25 |
us_0gb |
Is it? |
| 06:25 |
VanessaE |
yep. |
| 06:25 |
kaeza |
I wish I could install another distro |
| 06:26 |
us_0gb |
I just decided to go with the long term support version. I guess that was a good choice, but for the wrong reason. |
| 06:26 |
kaeza |
but with this crappy 4GB cap, downloading an ISO is a no-no |
| 06:26 |
VanessaE |
we tried Mint 14 via a virtual machine, others have run Ubuntu itself, and all agreed that it doesn't work as well as 12.04 |
| 06:26 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: still dragging your heels on ISP upgrade? :-/ |
| 06:26 |
kaeza |
yup |
| 06:27 |
us_0gb |
I was using Mint 13 for a while, but haven't tried 14. |
| 06:27 |
kaeza |
I plan to ditch this thing when things settle a bit (I'm a bit broke with all the festivities) |
| 06:27 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: understood |
| 06:28 |
VanessaE |
been there, done that, got the overdue bills to prove it :D |
| 06:28 |
VanessaE |
(except we're broke for a different reason :) ) |
| 06:29 |
kaeza |
well, if I spent less in drinks and smokes, I could easily avoid that lol |
| 06:29 |
VanessaE |
haha |
| 06:29 |
kaeza |
oh that's bad |
| 06:30 |
VanessaE |
? |
| 06:30 |
kaeza |
been remodelling your house? |
| 06:30 |
VanessaE |
the real one or my in-game one? |
| 06:30 |
kaeza |
IRL |
| 06:30 |
VanessaE |
yup |
| 06:30 |
VanessaE |
today I tore out a flight of stairs |
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us_0gb |
Sounds like fun. |
| 06:31 |
VanessaE |
and I've got the sore toe (hammer -> foot), hand (slipped, hit a board), and elbow (ditto) to prove it :-) |
| 06:31 |
kaeza |
heh |
| 06:31 |
us_0gb |
Quck! Pretend we weren't talking about Jakssoul! |
| 06:31 |
Jakssoul |
us_0gb, Did you respond to me on the forum? I've not checked yet. |
| 06:31 |
Jakssoul |
Hahaahah! :D |
| 06:31 |
Jakssoul |
Skillful. |
| 06:31 |
VanessaE |
forums are down again Jakssoul |
| 06:31 |
kaeza |
teh forumz are down :/ |
| 06:31 |
us_0gb |
Is the forum back up? |
| 06:31 |
us_0gb |
What thread? |
| 06:31 |
VanessaE |
us_0gb: nope. |
| 06:32 |
Jakssoul |
Oh blah! :( |
| 06:32 |
Jakssoul |
On Minetest's popularity, |
| 06:32 |
kaeza |
It seems PilzAdam is still a favorite |
| 06:32 |
Jakssoul |
No no no. |
| 06:32 |
kaeza |
just onee vote ahead of VanessaE |
| 06:32 |
us_0gb |
This is one of many reasons why we should NEVER have to log into the game using our forum accounts. |
| 06:32 |
Jakssoul |
I mean MINETEST. Not it's people. |
| 06:33 |
us_0gb |
Favorite of who? |
| 06:33 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: until rubenwardy updated his tallies...then I'll probably fall to 2 behind Adam :-) |
| 06:33 |
Jakssoul |
But you're just too awesome to lose! :p |
| 06:33 |
VanessaE |
us_0gb: overall |
| 06:33 |
Jakssoul |
Is he ever even on the IRC? |
| 06:33 |
kaeza |
agreed |
| 06:33 |
VanessaE |
sure he is |
| 06:34 |
kaeza |
Jakssoul: mostly idle on #minetest |
| 06:34 |
Jakssoul |
Not since I've been here. Or at the times I am at least. |
| 06:34 |
Jakssoul |
:p |
| 06:34 |
VanessaE |
ok guys, I'm off to bed before I fall asleep at the keys |
| 06:34 |
VanessaE |
night :-) |
| 06:34 |
Jakssoul |
Goodnight. |
| 06:34 |
kaeza |
night V |
| 06:34 |
us_0gb |
Yeah, I need to go to bed soon too. But I'm finishing this small hut too. |
| 06:35 |
us_0gb |
tGoodnight. |
| 06:35 |
* kaeza |
is bragging about how Pilz Adam gave him his 1000th post |
| 06:35 |
* us_0gb |
hit "t" again .... |
| 06:35 |
* Jakssoul |
doesn't care because he's SO cool. |
| 06:35 |
kaeza |
lol |
| 06:35 |
Jakssoul |
xD |
| 06:35 |
kaeza |
us_0gb: you're playing too much Minetest |
| 06:35 |
Jakssoul |
Not possible! |
| 06:36 |
us_0gb |
What do you mean? No I'm not. *shifty eyes* |
| 06:41 |
us_0gb |
I should have made my house entirely out of locked chests and steel doors. Then no one could wreck it. |
| 06:42 |
kaeza |
us_0gb: seems like the only true antigriefing option right now |
| 06:42 |
us_0gb |
Unless your house is made of locked chests, I'm not sure what good locked doors are in the default game. |
| 06:42 |
us_0gb |
I do like them though. |
| 06:43 |
us_0gb |
Don't get me wrong. |
| 06:43 |
kaeza |
I understand you |
| 06:44 |
kaeza |
you make your house of wood, and use a steel door |
| 06:44 |
kaeza |
*genius* |
| 06:44 |
us_0gb |
I know, right? |
| 06:44 |
kaeza |
"no one will enter my house" |
| 06:44 |
us_0gb |
On VanessaE's server, I found a house with a steel door. But everyone has fly/noclip there. |
| 06:45 |
kaeza |
that's even worse |
| 06:45 |
us_0gb |
Everyone can easily get past the door. |
| 06:45 |
kaeza |
but in creative there's really no win in stealing other people's possessions |
| 06:46 |
kaeza |
so I guess that's ok |
| 06:46 |
us_0gb |
I've also seen locked chests full of stuff there. But it's creative mode. Why do you need to store stuff? And why does it matter if it gets stolen? |
| 06:46 |
kaeza |
heh |
| 06:46 |
kaeza |
the griefing is a problem though |
| 06:47 |
kaeza |
but there's no reasonable option right now |
| 06:47 |
kaeza |
the node_ownership mod has it's advantages |
| 06:47 |
us_0gb |
I'm putting one locked chest in my house, just so people know who's house it is though. But it won't be full of junk. |
| 06:48 |
us_0gb |
Yeah, my Land Claim plugin is based on the ideas of node_ownership and protector. |
| 06:48 |
kaeza |
but unless you hack it, you are pretty much screwed if the user who placed the blocks leaves forever |
| 06:49 |
us_0gb |
I actually like it that way. As long as the user dosen't protct a lava flow or something. |
| 06:49 |
us_0gb |
I don't want the historical buildings demolished. |
| 06:50 |
kaeza |
if you remove the fire mod, lava bocomes less of a danger to sturucture |
| 06:50 |
kaeza |
structures* |
| 06:50 |
kaeza |
becomes* |
| 06:50 |
us_0gb |
My Land Claims protect against fire. |
| 06:51 |
kaeza |
yeah |
| 06:51 |
kaeza |
I tried it |
| 06:51 |
us_0gb |
So no need to remove fire. |
| 06:52 |
kaeza |
now if only someone hacked lava so it doesn't damage players... I guess that's not an option actually |
| 06:52 |
us_0gb |
Why is that not an option? |
| 06:53 |
kaeza |
I mean, you can do it, but it takes more away from the survival element |
| 06:53 |
kaeza |
for legitimately generated lava |
| 06:53 |
us_0gb |
True. Which is also true for removing fire. |
| 06:54 |
us_0gb |
Oops, I dug into a lava flow. Now all my torches burned away. |
| 06:54 |
kaeza |
I get your point |
| 06:55 |
us_0gb |
On Globis's server, I used to dam lava with logs. |
| 06:55 |
us_0gb |
It was so odd ... |
| 06:55 |
kaeza |
hmm... disabling lava buckets has also disadvantages, since lava is legitimately used for decorative purposes |
| 06:56 |
us_0gb |
Right. Which is why they're only disabled in claimed areas. |
| 06:56 |
us_0gb |
It's not a perfect system, but it's the best I can come up with. |
| 06:57 |
kaeza |
yeah... this discussion about grief prevention has going on for ages |
| 06:58 |
kaeza |
but you cannot devise a system that prevents griefing without affecting legit uses of griefing tools |
| 06:58 |
kaeza |
err |
| 06:58 |
kaeza |
you get the point |
| 06:58 |
us_0gb |
Here's a question: Why do players call vandalism "grief", but not call murder "grief"? |
| 06:59 |
kaeza |
that's a good question |
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| 07:00 |
kaeza |
but the thing is if they can kill you, then you have a chance to defend yourself |
| 07:00 |
us_0gb |
I mean, it's not like people were looking for a word to describe it. There's already a word: vandaism. |
| 07:01 |
kaeza |
whereas anyone cam come and "grief" (or destroy) you house when you are away/disconnected |
| 07:01 |
kaeza |
can* |
| 07:01 |
us_0gb |
Yeah, but why not just call it vandalism, because that's what it is? |
| 07:01 |
kaeza |
true |
| 07:02 |
kaeza |
the only real solution (albeit a not very efficient one) would be to have a moderator watching the server 24/7 |
| 07:03 |
us_0gb |
And what's up with the term "griefing"? You can GIVE someone grief, but you can't "grief them". "Grief" is NOT a verb. |
| 07:03 |
us_0gb |
You'd need a moderator you can trust, too. |
| 07:04 |
us_0gb |
My sister has dealt with moderators that wreck her bases .... |
| 07:04 |
kaeza |
I get your point |
| 07:05 |
kaeza |
but for example, what most server admins want is that players join their server right? |
| 07:05 |
kaeza |
so more or less, they want fame |
| 07:06 |
kaeza |
what good will do if a moderator/admin destroys the players' houses? |
| 07:07 |
us_0gb |
Right. You can usually trust the administrator, because you can trust that they want to keep you. It's bad MODERATORS my sister was dealing with. |
| 07:07 |
kaeza |
so if a mod is a jerk, you report it to an admin |
| 07:07 |
us_0gb |
True enough. |
| 07:07 |
kaeza |
and if the admin is a jerk, you simply leave the server and find a better one |
| 07:08 |
us_0gb |
It sucks that you'll lose your creations though. |
| 07:09 |
us_0gb |
That's why I started my own, actually. The server I was at got wiped, and I didn't want it to happen again. |
| 07:09 |
kaeza |
yeah, but you'll have too much work rebuilding your house again and again if both the mod and the admin are jerks |
| 07:09 |
kaeza |
nice |
| 07:09 |
us_0gb |
That is a good point. |
| 07:11 |
kaeza |
I never had these problems since I mostly play singleplayer |
| 07:11 |
kaeza |
but Vanessa's server and Shaun's server are quite peaceful |
| 07:12 |
us_0gb |
I only do any real building on servers with protector or my plugin installed, so I also don't have these issues. |
| 07:12 |
kaeza |
and I bet V will surely kill anyone that destroys her world ^_^ |
| 07:12 |
us_0gb |
Redcrab has a unique setup though, one that also works. So I build there too. |
| 07:13 |
kaeza |
how so? |
| 07:13 |
kaeza |
I mean, I never played on redcrab's |
| 07:13 |
us_0gb |
VanessaE's server was beautiful when I first went there. But now people filled it with stacks of televisions, and such. |
| 07:13 |
kaeza |
lol true... sadly |
| 07:14 |
us_0gb |
Redcrab has a custom version of node_ownership, that lets a player define their own protected spaces. |
| 07:15 |
us_0gb |
I don't build heavily on servers that use node_ownership as their form of protection, but I make an exception for Redcrab's server, because of the customization. |
| 07:16 |
kaeza |
that's a good idea. does it also protect against bucket based attacks? |
| 07:17 |
us_0gb |
I don't think node_ownership does, but his version protects against buckets. In fact, you can't even use buckets in unprotected areas. Only in your own areas. |
| 07:17 |
kaeza |
that's a good idea indeed |
| 07:18 |
us_0gb |
You can FILL in areas you don't own though. |
| 07:18 |
us_0gb |
Which is less dangerous. |
| 07:19 |
kaeza |
also, comparing two numbers (pos of node being modified and range of owned area) is much faster than say protector which checks for protector node in vicinity |
| 07:19 |
kaeza |
i.e: node by node |
| 07:19 |
us_0gb |
Yeah. That's why I took mine in a different direction. |
| 07:21 |
us_0gb |
Mine should have faster lookups than node_ownership too, because you don't have to check against EVERY protected area. But mine also has more data to keep in memory, so it's a tradeoff. |
| 07:21 |
us_0gb |
I'm still looking for a better way. |
| 07:22 |
us_0gb |
Someone flooded VanessaE's forest .... |
| 07:22 |
kaeza |
lolwut |
| 07:23 |
us_0gb |
Water. But I fixed it. |
| 07:23 |
kaeza |
hmm... you're giving me an idea |
| 07:23 |
us_0gb |
Care to elaborate? |
| 07:24 |
kaeza |
stupid idea of mine, but since I have much free time nowadays... |
| 07:24 |
kaeza |
yes |
| 07:24 |
kaeza |
hmm |
| 07:24 |
kaeza |
basically, a "beacon" node |
| 07:25 |
us_0gb |
I think someone built one at one point. |
| 07:25 |
kaeza |
you put it wherever you think someone may have destroyed something |
| 07:25 |
kaeza |
and it stores a special message in the log |
| 07:25 |
us_0gb |
Oh, nice. And wait for a moderator. |
| 07:26 |
kaeza |
aha |
| 07:26 |
kaeza |
and the moderator reads the log and sees who made the mess |
| 07:26 |
kaeza |
no one but an admin can remove the beacon |
| 07:27 |
kaeza |
obviously, the mod must also punish if a beacon is placed unjustifiably |
| 07:28 |
kaeza |
and you give a single beacon per user |
| 07:28 |
kaeza |
so they must place it wisely |
| 07:28 |
kaeza |
it's not a perfect idea |
| 07:28 |
kaeza |
but what the hell |
| 07:28 |
us_0gb |
Sounds good. The moderator can give them a new one if they rightfully used their old one. |
| 07:29 |
kaeza |
right |
| 07:30 |
us_0gb |
Anyway, I'm way overdue for bed. Good night. |
| 07:30 |
kaeza |
and maybe "good samaritan" (or police) users can get more than one beacon if the admin sees he deserves |
| 07:30 |
kaeza |
good night |
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kaeza |
morning |
| 08:51 |
moltenbot |
Minetest server minetest.net:30000 DOWN |
| 08:52 |
moltenbot |
Minetest server minetest.net:80:80 DOWN |
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kaeza |
john_minetest: minetest.net is down |
| 09:02 |
kaeza |
and it's minetest.org:30000 |
| 09:03 |
kaeza |
!up minetest.org |
| 09:03 |
moltenbot |
Minetest server minetest.org:30000 DOWN |
| 09:03 |
kaeza |
? |
| 09:03 |
moltenbot |
Minetest server minetest.org:30015:30015 DOWN |
| 09:03 |
kaeza |
?? |
| 09:04 |
kaeza |
!up minetest.org 30015 |
| 09:04 |
moltenbot |
Minetest server minetest.org:30015 UP |
| 09:04 |
kaeza |
aha! |
| 09:04 |
kaeza |
anyway, I'm off to bed now |
| 09:04 |
kaeza |
good night/morning everyone |
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sapier |
hello |
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LunaVorax |
Hi! |
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* OldCoder |
is asleep |
| 10:14 |
sapier |
can anyone tell me if minetest is using multithreading? |
| 10:15 |
Zeg9 |
For singleplayer, sure |
| 10:15 |
Zeg9 |
I'm not sure about multiplayer though |
| 10:16 |
sapier |
are lua scripts done in parallel too? |
| 10:17 |
Zeg9 |
I don't think |
| 10:18 |
sapier |
puuh ... I hope you're right |
| 10:18 |
thexyz |
lua is single-threaded |
| 10:18 |
sapier |
good :-) adding synchronisation to lua scripty may be difficult |
| 10:18 |
thexyz |
otherwise we'd have many fun errors |
| 10:21 |
sapier |
I know ... is there even something like mutexes or semaphores in lua? |
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| 11:01 |
Zeg9 |
Everyone will rush on it |
| 11:01 |
Zeg9 |
making it unusable again lol |
| 11:01 |
sapier |
yes .. and mobf is supporting animated mobs as of 1.9.1 release |
| 11:01 |
Zeg9 |
sapier: Great! |
| 11:02 |
sapier |
doesn't mean all mobs are animated by now ;-) |
| 11:16 |
RealBadAngel |
default tree vs L-system apple tree: http://realbadangel.pl/apple_tree.png |
| 11:18 |
RealBadAngel |
i have almost finished L-system tree generator, still adding new features |
| 11:18 |
sapier |
can you add tree growth? making worlds a little bit more dynamic? |
| 11:19 |
sapier |
mobf is part of animals_modpack |
| 11:19 |
sapier |
those animals are only there to demonstrate what mobf can do ;-) |
| 11:20 |
sapier |
is it the only message ore are other mods missing too? |
| 11:20 |
sapier |
mobf itself depends on some mods |
| 11:21 |
RealBadAngel |
tree above was generated with this: http://pastebin.com/jdCLLNUL |
| 11:21 |
moltenbot |
RealBadAngel's link: local pos = pointed_thing.above apple_tree={ axiom="FFFFAF", rule - Pastebin.com |
| 11:21 |
john_mt|afk |
mobf, inventory_plus, fire, wool |
| 11:21 |
RealBadAngel |
saper you can define all when spawnin a tree |
| 11:21 |
john_mt|afk |
oh, so I need the default gamre |
| 11:21 |
john_mt|afk |
*game. |
| 11:21 |
john_mt|afk |
bbl, cya |
| 11:21 |
FreeFull |
sapier: I imagine adding tree growth and decay would produce more of a strain, especially since you want it all to happen in an instant when you load a place you haven't been to in a while |
| 11:21 |
RealBadAngel |
decay shall be removed |
| 11:22 |
RealBadAngel |
it wont work with big trees |
| 11:22 |
RealBadAngel |
imagine decay facing this: ive cut one fully grown oak, over 5300 leaves, over 250 trunks |
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RealBadAngel |
hi PilzAdam, right in time |
| 11:23 |
sapier |
@freefull ok I don't know how heavy that l-tree algorithm is and if it's even suitable for dynamic growth |
| 11:23 |
PilzAdam |
Hello RBA & others |
| 11:24 |
RealBadAngel |
PilzAdam, 2 links for ya, http://realbadangel.pl/apple_tree.png and http://pastebin.com/jdCLLNUL |
| 11:24 |
sapier |
I just wanted to mention about half a year ago I've been convinced tress with sizes above 20 are not wanted ;-) |
| 11:25 |
RealBadAngel |
hehhe |
| 11:25 |
sapier |
have a look at the discussion in growing_trees if you don't believe me ;-) |
| 11:25 |
RealBadAngel |
PilzAdam, treegen is fully configureable from LUA now |
| 11:25 |
PilzAdam |
nice |
| 11:26 |
RealBadAngel |
and able to replace even small default trees |
| 11:26 |
sapier |
pilzadam can you fix github issue 229? ;-) |
| 11:26 |
sapier |
@realbadangel did you do some performance tests too? |
| 11:26 |
RealBadAngel |
and also is able to produce any kind of fruit tree |
| 11:27 |
RealBadAngel |
sapier, of course, replaced default treegen with 20 times bigger trees |
| 11:27 |
RealBadAngel |
not much of a difference |
| 11:27 |
sapier |
I'd prefere faster operation to bigger trees ;-) |
| 11:27 |
RealBadAngel |
notice you have to generate far less big trees than default sticks |
| 11:29 |
PilzAdam |
sapier, dunno, seems a bit hacky |
| 11:29 |
sapier |
:-) that's not what I'm talking about ... it wouldn't be got if this algorithm is lets say 100 times faster for bigger trees but 10000 slower for small ones ... the exact numbers don't matter |
| 11:29 |
RealBadAngel |
sapier: fast operation timings are preffered when catchin fleas |
| 11:29 |
RealBadAngel |
;) |
| 11:29 |
sapier |
@pilzadam ... it is but it's better than having a server run havok anytime it's at its performance limit |
| 11:29 |
sapier |
and real world has a speed limit too ... its speed of light |
| 11:32 |
sapier |
and i don't see any other solution if a server isn't capable of doing all the calculations needed to be done (atm) it's better to skipe some calculations than to sit there consume all load and memory until os kills us |
| 11:33 |
RealBadAngel |
https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest |
| 11:33 |
moltenbot |
RealBadAngel's link: RealBadAngel/minetest ? GitHub |
| 11:33 |
RealBadAngel |
git with treegen, up to date vs current master |
| 11:34 |
RealBadAngel |
i need to make just a few more fixes to it, then will pull it |
| 11:35 |
RealBadAngel |
later today will make also LUA part for minetest_game, VanessaE made yesterday textures for several kinds of trees |
| 11:37 |
sapier |
isn't pi a compiler preprocessor macro? |
| 11:37 |
PilzAdam |
RealBadAngel, can you add the API function to Lua-api-txt? |
| 11:37 |
RealBadAngel |
look at the example atm |
| 11:37 |
PilzAdam |
and why are you modifying the caves generation? |
| 11:38 |
RealBadAngel |
because it was fucked up |
| 11:38 |
RealBadAngel |
caves were generated above ground |
| 11:38 |
RealBadAngel |
and were destroying everythin |
| 11:38 |
PilzAdam |
I guess this should be a seperate commit |
| 11:38 |
RealBadAngel |
it will be part of hmms mapgen |
| 11:39 |
RealBadAngel |
but i was sick of those caves |
| 11:39 |
RealBadAngel |
i suggest you replace CONTENT_AIR with c_mese |
| 11:39 |
RealBadAngel |
and see what fuckin cave generator was doing |
| 11:40 |
PilzAdam |
I saw the screenshots on -dev |
| 11:40 |
RealBadAngel |
you will be suprised seeing mese clouds |
| 11:40 |
sapier |
I like mese clouds :-) |
| 11:40 |
RealBadAngel |
and it doesnt have to be separate commit because i was workin on mapgen |
| 11:41 |
RealBadAngel |
very same file |
| 11:41 |
sapier |
:-) sounds like "I was working on minetest so I change everywhere" ;-) |
| 11:41 |
RealBadAngel |
no |
| 11:42 |
RealBadAngel |
that was part of the very same loop |
| 11:42 |
sapier |
probably someone wants to fix the vaults but not your l-system trees ... |
| 11:42 |
RealBadAngel |
not even another function |
| 11:43 |
RealBadAngel |
yes, those changes will be included with hmm's mapgen rework |
| 11:43 |
sapier |
true but stil completely different things a vault is a vault a tree a tree ;) |
| 11:43 |
sapier |
I don't see much things those two things have in common |
| 11:43 |
RealBadAngel |
but theres no point when im testin my work seein it completely destroyed by broken cave code :) |
| 11:44 |
sapier |
but it's not my decision so my opinion most likely isn't of any interest |
| 11:44 |
sapier |
@john_minetest it does |
| 11:44 |
RealBadAngel |
they have in common this simple fact thar one destroys results of another |
| 11:44 |
RealBadAngel |
logical? |
| 11:46 |
RealBadAngel |
anyway as i said, final release of treegen will come without those changes |
| 11:46 |
sapier |
@realbadangel no it isn't i don't know if this rule applies to minetest too but at any other project I've been involved. One Patch --> one feature/ problem fix |
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sapier |
@john_minetest mobf_settings isn't mobf if you don't want to use settings gui you can delete it ;-) |
| 11:46 |
RealBadAngel |
shall i said it for the third time? |
| 11:47 |
sapier |
@realbadAngel sorry I've been already writing when you told that final wont contain it |
| 11:47 |
RealBadAngel |
i said it already 5 minutes ago |
| 11:47 |
RealBadAngel |
<PilzAdam> I guess this should be a seperate commit |
| 11:47 |
RealBadAngel |
<RealBadAngel> it will be part of hmms mapgen |
| 11:48 |
sapier |
ok i didn't understand this as "it'll not be in treegen fix" |
| 11:48 |
RealBadAngel |
np :) |
| 11:49 |
RealBadAngel |
its in this git because im testin the trees how them should look like, not how they can be fucked by caves ;) |
| 11:49 |
sapier |
as you're used to mapgen do you have an idea how to add random elements to water? |
| 11:50 |
RealBadAngel |
like for example? |
| 11:50 |
sapier |
fish |
| 11:51 |
sapier |
atm I use a abm linked to water looking for other fish nearby ... this is a real performance killer even with low abm chances |
| 11:51 |
sapier |
looking for other fish to avoid crowded seas |
| 11:52 |
RealBadAngel |
i can take a look where it might be placed |
| 11:53 |
sapier |
spawning algorithms in lua are real performance hogs if those can be moved to c++ everyone would benefit |
| 11:53 |
sapier |
thats's why most "mob" mods out there use eggs to spawn mobs |
| 11:54 |
RealBadAngel |
indeed, i can see the difference with trees |
| 11:54 |
sapier |
john_minetest can you send me full output? |
| 11:54 |
RealBadAngel |
spawnin a big tree by lua was measured in seconds, callin c++ from LUA is instant |
| 11:55 |
sapier |
realbadangel: spawning isn't a problem if your mod has only on mob for example but as soon as you support more it's a real problem |
| 11:55 |
RealBadAngel |
treegen depends on heavy calculations with matrices |
| 11:56 |
sapier |
I assume your main problem was node access if you try to look for each node when you need it you'll have a full lua->c++->lua transition everytime |
| 11:56 |
RealBadAngel |
and as i said, big tree can consist of almost 6k of nodes, thats more than whole mapblock |
| 11:57 |
RealBadAngel |
and when made in c++ spawning such tree is instant |
| 11:57 |
sapier |
of course but i assume that big trees aren't realy often used ;-) |
| 11:57 |
FreeFull |
You could live inside such a tree, couldn't you? |
| 11:58 |
RealBadAngel |
yup :) |
| 11:58 |
RealBadAngel |
takin down such tree takes circa half an hour |
| 11:58 |
sapier |
sounds like worldgen not treegen ;-) |
| 11:58 |
sapier |
i think fire is faster ;-) |
| 11:58 |
FreeFull |
RealBadAngel: Even with the timber mod? |
| 11:59 |
RealBadAngel |
timber mod wont work with them |
| 11:59 |
RealBadAngel |
decay neither |
| 11:59 |
sapier |
why? |
| 11:59 |
FreeFull |
=P |
| 11:59 |
RealBadAngel |
imagine collecting 6k nodes |
| 11:59 |
RealBadAngel |
and what would happen to the game |
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sapier |
limit it to 3k nodes |
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sapier |
having leaves hang around is a big step back |
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RealBadAngel |
that was working with sticks |
| 12:00 |
RealBadAngel |
not with the trees |
| 12:01 |
sapier |
ok I'm not talking about timber mod ... that can be fixed if they want to |
| 12:01 |
RealBadAngel |
propably |
| 12:01 |
sapier |
but leave decay is a must have |
| 12:01 |
RealBadAngel |
if you have nasa mainframe ready for such calculations.... |
| 12:02 |
sapier |
I assume if your treegen is used for small trees leave decay will work? |
| 12:02 |
RealBadAngel |
youre welcome |
| 12:02 |
RealBadAngel |
if you decide to pick default:leaves in definition, decay will work |
| 12:02 |
sapier |
It's easy to tell "not possible" this is a game perfect simulation os of no worth if it can't be played anymore |
| 12:03 |
sapier |
ok so leave decay can work |
| 12:03 |
RealBadAngel |
decay with such trees will be every server murderer |
| 12:03 |
sapier |
enough to me |
| 12:03 |
sapier |
then we need to think about other solutions |
| 12:03 |
RealBadAngel |
ideas welcome |
| 12:04 |
RealBadAngel |
until then, no decay for anything bigger than 1,5x default tree maximum |
| 12:04 |
sapier |
in my opinion minetest worlds are far to static ... don't get me wrong your trees look great! but they seem to make the world even more static |
| 12:05 |
RealBadAngel |
they change far more than you think |
| 12:05 |
RealBadAngel |
you shall play a bit with them |
| 12:05 |
sapier |
hmm I'm running growing_trees with trees as big as 20 nodes having leaves dynamicaly decay and beeing readded ... but of course growing_trees are rare |
| 12:06 |
RealBadAngel |
now you can have randomly selected stage of growth when spawned |
| 12:06 |
sapier |
I don't want to "play" with trees ...trees are some sort of decoration ... it's fun if they change by time |
| 12:07 |
RealBadAngel |
i cant see any sensible solution for replacing a few k of nodes to provide growth over time |
| 12:07 |
sapier |
still they stay the same as soon as generated |
| 12:07 |
sapier |
true talking about some k nodes it won't work anymore but do those trees need to have some k nodes? |
| 12:08 |
RealBadAngel |
the biggest ones, yes |
| 12:08 |
sapier |
so I'm going to chop the trunk and have thousands of leaves floating around in air ... |
| 12:09 |
sapier |
still you've done great work |
| 12:09 |
RealBadAngel |
have you ever have such thoughts when comparing several hundred years old oak, or sequoia wood to the apple tree in your garden? |
| 12:09 |
RealBadAngel |
does they have to be such big for christ sake?? |
| 12:10 |
sapier |
:-) real world has plenty of "computation power" ;-) |
| 12:11 |
sapier |
in our case it's deciding adding a more realism in shape of trees (l-system trees) |
| 12:11 |
sapier |
or adding more realism in behaviour of trees (leave decay) |
| 12:11 |
RealBadAngel |
trees can be shaped as you like |
| 12:11 |
sapier |
i think this is a matter of personal preference |
| 12:11 |
RealBadAngel |
up to u, they have kinda programming language |
| 12:12 |
RealBadAngel |
to design them |
| 12:12 |
sapier |
as far as i understood you using l-system trees won't make leave decay obsolete in any case |
| 12:12 |
RealBadAngel |
u can design with it any shape you want |
| 12:12 |
sapier |
so it's good |
| 12:13 |
celeron55 |
it's interesting to note that mine* games are unique in the aspect that almost everything in the world is simultaneously art and gameplay elements |
| 12:13 |
RealBadAngel |
hi celeron55, i nearly finished the treegen |
| 12:13 |
sapier |
hello |
| 12:13 |
celeron55 |
(and different people weigh them differently) |
| 12:14 |
sapier |
true and someone has to decide (meaning you celeron55) ;-) |
| 12:14 |
RealBadAngel |
celeron55, you can take a look at WIP version of it, https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest |
| 12:14 |
moltenbot |
RealBadAngel's link: RealBadAngel/minetest ? GitHub |
| 12:15 |
RealBadAngel |
ive also made a pretty neat interface to LUA |
| 12:16 |
RealBadAngel |
so engine part wont hold any hardcoded tree definitions |
| 12:18 |
RealBadAngel |
i was thinkin about writing tutorial bout L-system tree design, and makin in forum topic for ppl, let them design some trees and then pick the best ones for the game |
| 12:19 |
berome |
RealBadAngel: tutorial is always a good idea I think |
| 12:21 |
berome |
seeing "post your screenshot" threads, wich is big and heavy sawn, confirm implication of users is a good idea too |
| 12:21 |
RealBadAngel |
there are already some tree screnshots there |
| 12:22 |
celeron55 |
RealBadAngel: looks reasonable, except of one thing: treegen.h includes way too much headers |
| 12:23 |
celeron55 |
environment.h irrlichttypes_extrabloated.h are huge beasts and there should never be any reason to include them in *.h |
| 12:23 |
celeron55 |
unless you have too fast a computer and need to extend compile times many times longer in the long run |
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RealBadAngel |
i know, i need to do some cleanin before pulling |
| 12:25 |
celeron55 |
also you should probably add an another copyright line in treegen.cpp, as most of it is yours |
| 12:26 |
RealBadAngel |
ok. another note, i used different naming method for two helper functions |
| 12:27 |
RealBadAngel |
i used such names because those are names of functions from irrlicht 1.8, ported there |
| 12:27 |
sapier |
is ther eany reason why lava can't be seen from below water? |
| 12:27 |
RealBadAngel |
when game will move to 1.8 helpers can be replaced with natives just |
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celeron55 |
that will be like in 2 years 8) or whichever long it takes for debian stable to include irrlicht 1.8 |
| 12:30 |
FreeFull |
sapier: It's the way that minetest handles liquids right now I think |
| 12:30 |
celeron55 |
(i mean, even debian unstable is still at 1.7.3...) |
| 12:31 |
sapier |
ok ... it's funny if you've got a whome mountain covered with lava drop into water an see the trees below lava again |
| 12:31 |
FreeFull |
Slackware went straight from 4 to 7 |
| 12:32 |
RealBadAngel |
squeeze is 1.7.1 even |
| 12:33 |
sapier |
@john_minetest i think this is a follow up error I've seen in rare occasions ... I'll have a look at possible sources of this error but it'll be a little bit difficult to find |
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sapier |
did you try animated mob too? you need to spawn it by /spawnmob mob_npc:npc <pos> |
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moltenbot |
john_minetest's link: Pastebit, beep beep beep |
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davidpace |
Hi All! |
| 12:38 |
sapier |
wooh ... looks strange |
| 12:38 |
sapier |
thanks for your log |
| 12:50 |
sapier |
I'm going to add a workaround to not make mobf crash ... it's not fixing the real fault but will make mobf work more stable again |
| 12:52 |
sapier |
@john_minetest if you used git version I've added a commit fixing it ... i'll release 1.9.2 soon |
| 12:53 |
sapier |
it's a small fix so maybe you can add it manualy too |
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markveidemanis |
Hello |
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berome |
hello |
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RealBadAngel |
sapier: its useful to put EVERYWHERE check if not nil |
| 13:06 |
RealBadAngel |
it pops up in very strage places |
| 13:07 |
RealBadAngel |
where theoreticaly nil should never appear lua will find a way to stick it there |
| 13:07 |
sapier |
in generall thats true ... but checking anything for nil will blow up mobf code by factor 10 making it defacto unreadable |
| 13:08 |
sapier |
and "nil" is a reasonable value for many cases it's saying "not there" |
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RealBadAngel |
just do it this way, for example if youre usuing player, use if (player) then |
| 13:09 |
sapier |
they bug john_minetest discovered is somehow related to dynamic_data geting lost which basicaly could happen anywhere in mobf as lua doesn't have a "private" concept |
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RealBadAngel |
i told ya, lua found a way ;) |
| 13:10 |
RealBadAngel |
shes a nasty bitch ;) |
| 13:10 |
RealBadAngel |
where devil cant go, will send lua to do his job ;0 |
| 13:10 |
sapier |
most time I do this to but at many occasion I don't check for nil by purpose in cases were a nil value is a bug |
| 13:11 |
sapier |
lua isn't that bad it just requires more brains from programmer ;-) |
| 13:11 |
sapier |
most of us don't have ... me too ;-) |
| 13:11 |
RealBadAngel |
hard to get used to |
| 13:12 |
sapier |
I've written so many languages by now lua isn't even close to worst :-) |
| 13:12 |
RealBadAngel |
but from my experience, checks for nil are a must-have |
| 13:13 |
sapier |
in general thats true ... but what to do if it fails? in most cases you want to have an exception ... lua doesn't have on if I'm correct |
| 13:14 |
RealBadAngel |
99% stuff crashes because variable is lost, not defined or went for a beer |
| 13:14 |
RealBadAngel |
which results in nil |
| 13:14 |
sapier |
true, but in many cases you need that value to be defined ... so error happened before |
| 13:14 |
RealBadAngel |
rest is in the hands of coder |
| 13:15 |
RealBadAngel |
ive chosen to ignore when nil and do nothin |
| 13:15 |
markveidemanis |
I JUST FINISHED CHAPTER 2 IN WORLD OF GOO! |
| 13:15 |
sapier |
yes thats what exception handling is for ... try to continue in production code and kill app in debug mode to find the error as soon as possible |
| 13:15 |
RealBadAngel |
just skip this particular callback |
| 13:15 |
markveidemanis |
chapter 3: cog in the machine |
| 13:16 |
sapier |
iIf you've lost all your private data defining a mob you can't continue ;-) |
| 13:16 |
RealBadAngel |
it happens often when callback is made before initialization procedures |
| 13:16 |
RealBadAngel |
which shall never happen in theory |
| 13:16 |
sapier |
callbacks in mobf explicitly check if initialization is done |
| 13:17 |
RealBadAngel |
setting init flag is also a solution |
| 13:17 |
sapier |
that's the way it's done |
| 13:18 |
RealBadAngel |
but lua has ways we have never dreamed of ;) |
| 13:18 |
sapier |
I've added a "state change" feature in last version switching an entity to another one while preserving its private data thus those data need to be transfered ... somewhere within that code might still be an error |
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sapier |
variable/pointer handling in lua is a nightmare |
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markveidemanis |
hi |
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WOGCorp |
hello |
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WOGCorp |
World Of Goo |
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markveidemanis |
HeLlO |
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markveidemanis |
hi |
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markveidemanis |
hi |
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markveidemanis |
can a computer use wifi AND 3g |
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markveidemanis |
at the same tine |
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markveidemanis |
or commect to 2 wifi netoorks |
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sapier |
it can connect but it can't route through both at same time |
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markveidemanis |
i want to connect to my phone's wifi => 3G network aswell as my router |
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sapier |
ok thats a little bit difficult, most likely the phone hardware is capable of doing it bit assuming its android or iphone neither google nor apple do support this usecase |
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markveidemanis |
oh |
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markveidemanis |
ok |
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markveidemanis |
but i can do USB connection AND wifi...may try that |
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markveidemanis |
tt |
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markveidemanis |
useing 3G now |
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PilzAdam |
thexyz, in the Minetest API wiki you dont go to the correct site if you search for the method names without prefix "minetest." |
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PilzAdam |
should I add redirects to all methods? |
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markveidemanis |
? |
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markveidemanis_ |
hi |
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markveidemanis |
\nick NyanCat |
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NyanCat |
j |
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minetester1 |
HAHA |
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minetester1 |
who will be minetester3? |
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thexyz |
PilzAdam: it's designed to act like this because you call minetest.register_node, not register_node |
| 14:28 |
PilzAdam |
its unhandy |
| 14:29 |
thexyz |
oh, you mean that search is stupid |
| 14:30 |
PilzAdam |
normally I go to lua-api.txt hit Ctrl + F and type "register_node" |
| 14:30 |
PilzAdam |
in the wiki I have to type minetest.register_node |
| 14:31 |
thexyz |
ok, i'll try to install sphinx search |
| 14:31 |
thexyz |
well, redirects are fine too, feel free to make them |
| 14:31 |
PilzAdam |
k, will do |
| 14:32 |
thexyz |
thanks for your support, btw |
| 14:50 |
PilzAdam |
1/3 finished |
| 15:02 |
markveidemanis |
i may have found a bug in technic |
| 15:02 |
markveidemanis |
if i drag out of a mithril locked chest, the item stays in and it all adds up if i do it multiple times |
| 15:03 |
PilzAdam |
2/3 finished |
| 15:07 |
markveidemanis |
] |
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markveidemanis |
how i enable noclip in minetest.conf |
| 15:15 |
PilzAdam |
noclip = true |
| 15:18 |
PilzAdam |
thexyz, done: http://api.minetest.net/Special:RecentChanges |
| 15:18 |
moltenbot |
PilzAdam's link: Recent changes - Minetest API |
| 15:20 |
thexyz |
PilzAdam: nice |
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Calinou |
hi :D |
| 15:28 |
Exio |
hai Calinou |
| 15:28 |
Exio |
:> |
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RealBadAngel |
oke doke, added pitch/yaw/roll commands for L-system turtle |
| 15:29 |
RealBadAngel |
now its possible to design ANY shape of tree |
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Calinou |
turtle trees! |
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celeron55 |
http://api.minetest.net/Intro#Try_it_out.21 |
| 15:43 |
moltenbot |
celeron55's link: Intro - Minetest API |
| 15:43 |
celeron55 |
somebody should probably correct that one 8) |
| 15:43 |
celeron55 |
the part about giving yourself the privilege |
| 15:44 |
PilzAdam |
I can do that |
| 15:44 |
celeron55 |
i guess auth.txt shouldn't even be mentioned and just assume a singleplayer game |
| 15:45 |
PilzAdam |
done |
| 15:46 |
celeron55 |
hmm, also... isn't that "" way of writing the output item not recommended currently? http://api.minetest.net/Intro#Define_a_craft_recipe |
| 15:46 |
moltenbot |
celeron55's link: Intro - Minetest API |
| 15:46 |
celeron55 |
or whas it some other thing |
| 15:46 |
celeron55 |
was* |
| 15:47 |
PilzAdam |
never saw it like this |
| 15:47 |
PilzAdam |
but itemstring says it should be "mod:name 2" |
| 15:47 |
celeron55 |
it had some problems with... umm... something |
| 15:48 |
celeron55 |
the engine accepts that, but mods that inspect the crafting output stuff don't like it |
| 15:48 |
PilzAdam |
https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/206 |
| 15:48 |
moltenbot |
PilzAdam's link: get_craft_recipe() not working when register_craft() has internal quotes ? Issue #206 ? celeron55/minetest ? GitHub |
| 15:49 |
Calinou |
celeron55: "Launch the game now, and notice that the mods are automatically loaded and compiled." < mods aren't compiled, amirite? |
| 15:49 |
Calinou |
they're just read by lua interpreter... |
| 15:49 |
Calinou |
someone is wrong on the internet |
| 15:49 |
celeron55 |
well, lua compiles them to bytecode |
| 15:49 |
Calinou |
luajit, no? |
| 15:49 |
celeron55 |
luajit compiles to native code |
| 15:49 |
PilzAdam |
fixed the quotes thing |
| 15:49 |
Calinou |
ah |
| 15:50 |
sapier |
has luajit been enabled? |
| 15:50 |
Calinou |
no |
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celeron55 |
read through the rest of it; now it's pretty good and up-to-date |
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jeffrash |
I see the server is shutting down. Is everything ok? |
| 16:22 |
jeffrash |
Zeg9, can you backup my castle again? |
| 16:23 |
Zeg9 |
jeffrash, coming |
| 16:24 |
Zeg9 |
jeffrash, it seems the server crashed. Or OldCoder is restarting it |
| 16:24 |
jeffrash |
yes, I was just asking about that too |
| 16:25 |
jeffrash |
I was on and saw the message server shutting down. So I don't think it was a crash |
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markveidemanis |
hi |
| 16:31 |
markveidemanis |
? |
| 16:32 |
jeffrash |
Hi, markveidemanis |
| 16:33 |
markveidemanis |
hello |
| 16:33 |
markveidemanis |
any way to make internet FASTER? |
| 16:33 |
jeffrash |
just waiting on the server to come backup |
| 16:33 |
jeffrash |
sure, faster connection |
| 16:33 |
markveidemanis |
or is zeg's server down? |
| 16:33 |
markveidemanis |
ok |
| 16:34 |
jeffrash |
Yes, I was on when it went down |
| 16:34 |
markveidemanis |
an XBOX is using WiFi so i am using 3G/HSDPA |
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markveidemanis |
is there a way to make my samsung galaxy ace use 3G and not HSDPA? |
| 16:37 |
markveidemanis |
when will server be up |
| 16:38 |
jeffrash |
I will check back later |
| 16:39 |
markveidemanis |
minetest.org:30015 DOWN <== why is it down? |
| 16:40 |
* markveidemanis |
<== he wants to know why it's down |
| 16:41 |
Zeg9 |
jeffrash, when a mod crashes, the sever says "server shutting down" before crashing |
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jeffrash |
oh, I see |
| 16:44 |
jeffrash |
I didn't know that |
| 16:45 |
markveidemanis_ |
my computer ran out of memory and chrome said "he's dead, jim" |
| 16:46 |
markveidemanis_ |
minetest.org:30015 UP |
| 16:47 |
jeffrash |
markveidemanis, it's not up yet |
| 16:47 |
markveidemanis |
yeh it is, im connecting |
| 16:48 |
jeffrash |
oh, ok. I'm not able to |
| 16:48 |
markveidemanis |
its down again! |
| 16:49 |
Zeg9 |
!up minetest.org 30015 |
| 16:49 |
moltenbot |
Minetest server minetest.org:30015 DOWN |
| 16:49 |
Zeg9 |
!up minetest.org |
| 16:49 |
moltenbot |
Minetest server minetest.org:30000 UP |
| 16:49 |
markveidemanis |
ha! |
| 16:50 |
Calinou |
markveidemanis: HSDPA is some kind of 3G improvement |
| 16:50 |
markveidemanis |
improved 3G? |
| 16:52 |
Calinou |
yes |
| 16:53 |
markveidemanis |
yay, i have better 3G then |
| 16:53 |
markveidemanis |
i thought 3g was better... |
| 16:53 |
markveidemanis |
or UMTS |
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markveidemanis |
minetest.org:30015 UP or DOWN? |
| 17:24 |
Calinou |
!up minetest.org:30015 |
| 17:24 |
moltenbot |
Minetest server minetest.org:30015:30015 DOWN |
| 17:25 |
markveidemanis |
and why? |
| 17:25 |
markveidemanis |
DOWN for too long |
| 17:27 |
thexyz |
!up minetest.org 30015 |
| 17:27 |
moltenbot |
Minetest server minetest.org:30015 DOWN |
| 17:27 |
markveidemanis |
why is it DOWN |
| 17:31 |
markveidemanis |
ok, who wants to go on my server |
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Zeg9 |
!up minetest.org 30015 |
| 17:37 |
moltenbot |
Minetest server minetest.org:30015 DOWN |
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| 17:41 |
markveidemanis |
Zeg9: can you send me the zegaton map? |
| 17:41 |
Zeg9 |
markveidemanis , I only have an old one |
| 17:41 |
markveidemanis |
ok |
| 17:41 |
markveidemanis |
before the restart? |
| 17:41 |
Zeg9 |
markveidemanis, ask OldCoder for the current one, also it is saved under levelDB, so you need a levelDB compatible client |
| 17:42 |
markveidemanis |
levelDB? |
| 17:42 |
Zeg9 |
markveidemanis, before the server was hosted by OldCoder |
| 17:42 |
markveidemanis |
Zeg9: can i have a link to the leveldb thing? |
| 17:43 |
markveidemanis |
ima have a go at survival on minetest singleplaye |
| 17:45 |
Zeg9 |
markveidemanis, can't find it |
| 17:45 |
markveidemanis |
ok |
| 17:45 |
Zeg9 |
if you want I can give you an old version of it that is still under sqlite |
| 17:47 |
markveidemanis |
ok |
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markveidemanis |
will it have my house? |
| 17:48 |
Zeg9 |
No, it wouldn't |
| 17:49 |
markveidemanis |
ok |
| 17:49 |
markveidemanis |
no then |
| 17:49 |
markveidemanis |
il just stick to playing on the server |
| 17:49 |
markveidemanis |
my singleplayer is slower than the server... |
| 17:50 |
Calinou |
because he's single |
| 17:50 |
Calinou |
poor player :( |
| 17:50 |
markveidemanis |
i gave up on singleplayer, btw |
| 17:51 |
markveidemanis |
too boring |
| 17:55 |
markveidemanis |
k |
| 17:55 |
markveidemanis |
is serveer up? |
| 18:02 |
markveidemanis |
who here is on a minetest.org server? |
| 18:02 |
markveidemanis |
any port |
| 18:02 |
markveidemanis |
post |
| 18:03 |
* VanessaE |
peeks in for a sec |
| 18:03 |
markveidemanis |
AnyOne? |
| 18:04 |
VanessaE |
markveidemanis: my world backup at 30017 works. |
| 18:04 |
* markveidemanis |
<== he wants to know if there is anyone on the minetest.org servers |
| 18:04 |
markveidemanis |
ok |
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markveidemanis |
[18:06] CTCP TIME reply from OldCoder: Wed Dec 26 10:05:20 <== LOL still asleep |
| 18:08 |
Zeg9 |
mark, he gets to bed at 03:00 am ... |
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markveidemanis |
ha |
| 18:10 |
markveidemanis |
VanessaE and Zeg9: how did you convince oldcoder to run your server(s)? |
| 18:11 |
VanessaE |
he doesn't run a server for me as such, he runs a copy of my world as a backup, and he offered to do so. |
| 18:11 |
markveidemanis |
ok |
| 18:12 |
markveidemanis |
Zeg9? |
| 18:13 |
markveidemanis |
minetest org 30018? thats new |
| 18:13 |
Zeg9 |
Minetest.org 30018 ? let me see |
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markveidemanis |
VanessaE and Zeg9 <=: how did you convince oldcoder to run your server(s)? |
| 18:13 |
kaeza |
hello |
| 18:13 |
markveidemanis |
:=> |
| 18:13 |
markveidemanis |
hi |
| 18:14 |
Exio |
hai kaeza |
| 18:14 |
Zeg9 |
markveidemanis, maybe if you don't spam people will be nice with you |
| 18:14 |
Zeg9 |
hi kaeza |
| 18:14 |
kaeza |
what's up? |
| 18:14 |
markveidemanis |
im not spamming!"" |
| 18:14 |
kaeza |
is there any forum moderator here? |
| 18:15 |
* VanessaE |
is. |
| 18:15 |
kaeza |
hey hey V |
| 18:15 |
markveidemanis |
u r not opped |
| 18:15 |
VanessaE |
I am now. :-) |
| 18:15 |
markveidemanis |
fair enough |
| 18:15 |
VanessaE |
hi kaeza :-) |
| 18:16 |
markveidemanis |
but how does chanserv know you CAN be opped |
| 18:17 |
markveidemanis |
\clear |
| 18:17 |
markveidemanis |
? |
| 18:17 |
markveidemanis |
minetest org 30018 3% media |
| 18:17 |
marktraceur |
Calinou: Did you fix the copper rails in moreores to be in group:rails? |
| 18:18 |
kaeza |
hi marktraceur |
| 18:18 |
marktraceur |
Hi kaeza |
| 18:19 |
markveidemanis |
VanessaE how many letters in your name, you have 10 seconds to answer |
| 18:20 |
VanessaE |
16. |
| 18:20 |
VanessaE |
(counting my last name) |
| 18:20 |
VanessaE |
if I counted it right :-) |
| 18:20 |
markveidemanis |
tep |
| 18:21 |
markveidemanis |
yep |
| 18:21 |
markveidemanis |
#but more than 10 seconds |
| 18:21 |
markveidemanis |
Vanessa Eekowitz |
| 18:21 |
markveidemanis |
whoops |
| 18:21 |
markveidemanis |
Vanessa Ezekowitz |
| 18:21 |
VanessaE |
I wasn't paying attention :-) |
| 18:21 |
markveidemanis |
:-> |
| 18:22 |
markveidemanis |
:->) |
| 18:22 |
markveidemanis |
lol |
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markveidemanis |
i am on minetest org 30014 |
| 18:24 |
markveidemanis |
\clear |
| 18:24 |
markveidemanis |
\/clear |
| 18:24 |
markveidemanis |
:) |
| 18:25 |
markveidemanis |
Zeg(when will server be up)9 |
| 18:25 |
* marktraceur |
wonders why markveidemanis hasn't yet figured out the no-spamming-no-flooding idea |
| 18:25 |
* markveidemanis |
|
| 18:26 |
* markveidemanis |
<== EPIC marktraceur <== NERD |
| 18:26 |
marktraceur |
markveidemanis: Lesson of IRC number 1: Don't antagonize the ops. |
| 18:26 |
markveidemanis |
:P |
| 18:27 |
markveidemanis |
a-n-t-a-g-o-n-i-z-e? |
| 18:27 |
markveidemanis |
when will the lesson be over? |
| 18:27 |
markveidemanis |
im bored |
| 18:27 |
markveidemanis |
:P |
| 18:28 |
marktraceur |
markveidemanis: It is over. Just pipe down and wait for Zeg9 to finish his restart or whatever it was. |
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markveidemanis |
it crashed...not restart |
| 18:28 |
jordach |
hello everyone |
| 18:28 |
Calinou |
markveidemanis: they are, no? |
| 18:28 |
Calinou |
is the group "rails" or "rail", btw? |
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Calinou |
marktraceur* |
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jordach |
oops, closed tab! |
| 18:29 |
marktraceur |
Calinou: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2451 |
| 18:29 |
moltenbot |
marktraceur's link: [Mod] Carts [carts] (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums |
| 18:29 |
marktraceur |
jordach: Time for a proper IRC client? :) |
| 18:29 |
Calinou |
xchat is :> |
| 18:30 |
jordach |
marktraceur: not at home atm |
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| 18:34 |
jordach |
VanessaE: homedecor is missing a mini cd player, desktop computer speakers, a desk, etc.. |
| 18:35 |
VanessaE |
jordach: yeah, there's still stuff that needs to be added. Sooner or later. |
| 18:35 |
Calinou |
homedecor lacks tablets, let's add iOS and android in minetest!!1!1!1 |
| 18:35 |
jordach |
also, wall mounted lcd tv's would be nice |
| 18:35 |
Calinou |
(oh and don't forget windows 8) |
| 18:36 |
jordach |
<Calinou> (oh and don't forget windows 8) you mean win8 or a 8) ? |
| 18:36 |
jordach |
VanessaE: a vcr, dvd player, perhaps bluray??? |
| 18:37 |
jordach |
and a satellite dish reciever box |
| 18:37 |
VanessaE |
..... |
| 18:37 |
* jordach |
also would like a desk tidy that stores 1-4 items |
| 18:39 |
marktraceur |
jordach: Perhaps you could put this stuff in a forum post or something, and VanessaE can read it later? (perhaps when you link it to her?) |
| 18:39 |
jordach |
ooh! desk chairs that spin with the wheels! |
| 18:40 |
VanessaE |
actually yeah, jordach post that stuff in the Home Decor thread. |
| 18:40 |
VanessaE |
I already plan to add a digital projector since I have one, but the other stuff I hadn't thought of. |
| 18:41 |
jordach |
also, picture of my house on the LAN game with my girlfriend: http://imgur.com/7P7YX,2KqpR,B3yAs |
| 18:42 |
marktraceur |
Daw, they're playing house. |
| 18:42 |
* jordach |
kicks marktraceur |
| 18:42 |
jordach |
its called suvival with mobf here |
| 18:43 |
marktraceur |
Ah. Even so. |
| 18:45 |
celeron55 |
are mobs frightened of flowers |
| 18:45 |
jordach |
the only problem i face is having to /clearobjects often |
| 18:45 |
celeron55 |
or are they camouflaged missile launchers |
| 18:45 |
jordach |
yes |
| 18:46 |
jordach |
punching the tv fires the nukes |
| 18:48 |
Calinou |
jordach: windows 8 of course |
| 18:48 |
Calinou |
no tablet has windows 7 :p |
| 18:48 |
Calinou |
of course it's the ARM "RT" version, with non-disableable secure boot |
| 18:48 |
Calinou |
make that into minetest too |
| 18:48 |
jordach |
Calinou: bullshit, my brother thinks hes 2005 and uses xp tablet edition |
| 18:48 |
jordach |
d: |
| 18:48 |
Calinou |
if the user tries to install another OS on it, the tablet folds then eats the user's hand |
| 18:48 |
jordach |
D: |
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kaeza |
heh seems like someone gave jordach's skin a name without permission ^_^ |
| 18:59 |
markveidemanis |
link |
| 19:00 |
jordach |
VanessaE: heres your long as shit post http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=59327#p59327 |
| 19:00 |
moltenbot |
jordach's link: [Mod] Home Decor [20121005] [homedecor] (Page 4) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums |
| 19:01 |
kaeza |
jordach: that desk would be good for my computers/consoles mod ^_^ |
| 19:02 |
markveidemanis |
yay - Co Operate |
| 19:04 |
kaeza |
jordach, markveidemanis: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3830 |
| 19:04 |
moltenbot |
kaeza's link: [MOD] Computers (Decorative) [0.1.4] [computer] (Page 1) - Modding General - Minetest Forums |
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jordach |
kaeza: i know of that and have used it on VanessaE's serv. |
| 19:04 |
VanessaE |
jordach: dayum! |
| 19:04 |
markveidemanis |
i think its too many |
| 19:04 |
iqualfragile |
g day guys |
| 19:04 |
jordach |
im not at home....this allows me to look for things that should be part of it |
| 19:04 |
kaeza |
oh right, V is using them on her server |
| 19:04 |
kaeza |
g day iqualfragile |
| 19:05 |
markveidemanis |
i expected a block for a computer and a block for the monitor |
| 19:07 |
jordach |
VanessaE: feel free to pick and choose |
| 19:07 |
VanessaE |
I'll see what I can do |
| 19:08 |
VanessaE |
but this will be for later, not right now |
| 19:11 |
jordach |
and yes im part of the hyper class of builder |
| 19:11 |
jordach |
(eg. almost realistic.) |
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| 19:13 |
markveidemanis |
minetest org 30015 <== why DOWN |
| 19:13 |
jordach |
!up minetest.org 30015 |
| 19:13 |
moltenbot |
Minetest server minetest.org:30015 DOWN |
| 19:13 |
marktraceur |
markveidemanis: Because a gazelle attacked the server |
| 19:13 |
markveidemanis |
ok |
| 19:14 |
jordach |
Jordach roundhouse kicked so hard, he made a Amazon AWS server crash. |
| 19:14 |
iqualfragile |
!up minetest.org 30000 |
| 19:14 |
moltenbot |
Minetest server minetest.org:30000 UP |
| 19:14 |
markveidemanis |
30015 |
| 19:15 |
jordach |
also, VanessaE baths are needed |
| 19:17 |
VanessaE |
edit your post to add them |
| 19:17 |
jordach |
done |
| 19:17 |
VanessaE |
I se you already did :-) |
| 19:17 |
VanessaE |
see* |
| 19:17 |
jordach |
"there must be more shit i can think of." |
| 19:17 |
jordach |
VanessaE: lava lamps are a must |
| 19:18 |
* jordach |
loves lava lamps. |
| 19:18 |
* jordach |
also wondered when jordach became a ideas machine |
| 19:19 |
markveidemanis |
what company made World Of Goo? |
| 19:19 |
jordach |
!g which company made world of goo |
| 19:19 |
Minetest-tan |
jordach: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_of_Goo |
| 19:20 |
jordach |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2D_Boy - markveidemanis |
| 19:20 |
moltenbot |
jordach's link: 2D Boy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
| 19:20 |
markveidemanis |
ok thanks |
| 19:20 |
jeffrash |
still can't connect to minetest.org 30015. What's the status? |
| 19:20 |
markveidemanis |
i was wondering what other apps like it there are for Android |
| 19:20 |
markveidemanis |
"!up minetest.org:30015" |
| 19:21 |
markveidemanis |
type it |
| 19:21 |
jeffrash |
!up minetest.org:30015 |
| 19:21 |
moltenbot |
Minetest server minetest.org:30015:30015 DOWN |
| 19:21 |
jordach |
VanessaE: post updated again |
| 19:22 |
jeffrash |
I see that, but is there an ETA? |
| 19:22 |
jordach |
jeffrash: dunno, best asking OldCoder about this, he operates the server nexus |
| 19:22 |
jeffrash |
OldCoder, what's the status on minetest.org 30015? |
| 19:23 |
jordach |
VanessaE: thought of more shit. |
| 19:23 |
jordach |
(do make a checklist.) |
| 19:24 |
VanessaE |
just keep adding to the post, I'll use it for reference later. |
| 19:25 |
jordach |
VanessaE: you could edit the post and add a tick by each completed thing right? |
| 19:25 |
VanessaE |
sure I could do that I suppose |
| 19:26 |
jordach |
editing again. |
| 19:27 |
jordach |
updated |
| 19:29 |
markveidemanis |
VanessaE, add some of the stuff Jordach posted, they're good ideas |
| 19:30 |
markveidemanis |
nope |
| 19:30 |
jordach |
nope. |
| 19:30 |
markveidemanis |
maybe] |
| 19:30 |
jordach |
everyone follows the stable. |
| 19:30 |
markveidemanis |
lol |
| 19:30 |
Calinou |
Version: 0.3.1+dfsg-4 |
| 19:30 |
Calinou |
apt-cache show minetest |
| 19:30 |
Calinou |
nope.Avi |
| 19:30 |
Calinou |
(oops, .avi... poor azerty layout) |
| 19:31 |
jordach |
john_minetest: most debian repos wont accept minetest since the addition of a .x file, eg, == propetrairy |
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jeffrash |
sokomine, I'm playing around with mintest server. How do I make it so people can't grant themselves access? |
| 19:34 |
jeffrash |
sokomine, |
| 19:35 |
jordach |
jeffrash: default settings only gives them to be able to build and shout |
| 19:35 |
jordach |
first player to join becomes the admin |
| 19:35 |
jordach |
(eg, you.) |
| 19:35 |
jeffrash |
oh, I see. |
| 19:36 |
jeffrash |
sokomine, no one else can grant /all to themselves like I just did |
| 19:36 |
jeffrash |
testing |
| 19:37 |
jeffrash |
it worked |
| 19:37 |
jeffrash |
thanks |
| 19:39 |
jordach |
see, this is what happen when you test every. single. release. and. commit. of. minetest. |
| 19:39 |
PilzAdam |
http://api.minetest.net/Groups |
| 19:39 |
moltenbot |
PilzAdam's link: Groups - Minetest API |
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jordach |
lets mine the test until the test mines us. |
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| 19:40 |
VanessaE |
jordach: that's a metric assload of stuff in your list. I'll see what I can add later. Some of that stuff is probably a no-go like coat hangars or soap bottles |
| 19:41 |
VanessaE |
anyway, I'm out. gotta run to the store |
| 19:41 |
markveidemanis |
i just got flash player to work on my android, any recommendations for .swf file links? |
| 19:44 |
markveidemanis |
http://incredibots.com/if/game.php |
| 19:44 |
kaeza |
markveidemanis: filetohd.com |
| 19:46 |
jordach |
VanessaE: im probably going to stop there |
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markveidemanis |
[19:44] <kaeza> markveidemanis: filetohd.com <== any swf files? |
| 19:48 |
jeffrash |
how do I start a none creative world? |
| 19:48 |
jeffrash |
with or without the checkbox its always a creative world |
| 19:48 |
markveidemanis |
im minetest conf set creative to false or 0 |
| 19:49 |
jeffrash |
ok |
| 19:49 |
markveidemanis |
creative_mode = 1 <==replace with ==> creative_mode = 0 |
| 19:52 |
jeffrash |
working |
| 19:52 |
jeffrash |
thanks |
| 19:52 |
jeffrash |
is /spawn a default command? |
| 19:52 |
jeffrash |
It doesn't seem to work for me |
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markveidemanis |
nope, need sethome mod |
| 19:53 |
kaeza |
markveidemanis: you enter the URL of the game, select "Objects" radio button, click on "I accept the terms of service blah blah blah", and click on "Submit"/"Search"/whatever |
| 19:54 |
iqualfragile |
PilzAdam: craftguide has problems with groups and that confuses new players |
| 19:54 |
kaeza |
and it gives you back the SWF links |
| 19:55 |
PilzAdam |
iqualfragile, what problems? |
| 19:55 |
jeffrash |
ok |
| 19:55 |
iqualfragile |
see for yor self, its on my server |
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Jakssoul |
Hey-lo. |
| 19:59 |
Jakssoul |
Why does somebody always Ping timeout when I get on here? o.O |
| 20:00 |
Jakssoul |
Seems that way, at least. |
| 20:00 |
kaeza |
cause nobody likes you :P |
| 20:01 |
kaeza |
lol J/K |
| 20:01 |
markveidemanis |
.clear |
| 20:01 |
PilzAdam |
Jakssoul> Hey-lo. <-- TBBT? |
| 20:01 |
markveidemanis |
/clear..soc |
| 20:01 |
OldCoder |
Hi |
| 20:01 |
markveidemanis |
z |
| 20:01 |
OldCoder |
Checking 30015 |
| 20:01 |
Jakssoul |
TBBT? Huh? |
| 20:02 |
PilzAdam |
The BIg Bang Theory |
| 20:02 |
Jakssoul |
Oh, and hello, PilzAdam! I was just asking yesterday if you ever frequented this IRC channel. |
| 20:02 |
Jakssoul |
I am new, but hadn't really ever seen you on here. I've been saying Hey-lo long before I'd even heard of TBBT. |
| 20:03 |
Jakssoul |
kaeza, wanna hear something wonderful? |
| 20:04 |
kaeza |
sure |
| 20:04 |
iqualfragile |
fusrohda! minetest crashes when im opening the console using F10 |
| 20:04 |
Jakssoul |
In order to get back at my Fiance for her dislike of Minetest, I made a "mod" (Just a block) with her face on it. |
| 20:04 |
Jakssoul |
She's furious. |
| 20:04 |
Jakssoul |
:D |
| 20:04 |
kaeza |
iqualfragile: Fus-Ro-Dah* |
| 20:04 |
Jakssoul |
FUS. RO! DAHHHH! |
| 20:04 |
kaeza |
Jakssoul: O_o |
| 20:04 |
Jakssoul |
Sorry. Had to. |
| 20:04 |
sapier1 |
is someone here who knows how to create meshes in blender that do work in minetest? |
| 20:05 |
Jakssoul |
I mean, isn't that just the perfect idea? xD |
| 20:05 |
iqualfragile |
sapier1: how do i manualy configure mobf then? |
| 20:05 |
kaeza |
heh, hope you chose a nice pic of her, or she'll surely kill you instead |
| 20:06 |
Jakssoul |
It's one I took during a Skype call while she was stretching. |
| 20:06 |
Jakssoul |
Yeah, I'm dead. :D |
| 20:06 |
iqualfragile |
-.- |
| 20:08 |
* jordach |
prefers OH! DA! VING! |
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OldCoder |
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| 20:08 |
OldCoder |
NEWS: There is corruption in Zegaton or a bad mod. Reviewing. |
| 20:09 |
OldCoder |
{} |
| 20:09 |
OldCoder |
{} |
| 20:09 |
OldCoder |
{} |
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OldCoder |
{} |
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OldCoder |
{} |
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OldCoder |
{} |
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OldCoder |
{ |
| 20:09 |
OldCoder |
I am getting that again |
| 20:09 |
OldCoder |
16:20:55: ERROR[main]: ServerEnvironment::deactivateFarObjects(): id=187 m_stat |
| 20:09 |
OldCoder |
WARNING: StaticObjectList::remove(): id=187 not found |
| 20:09 |
OldCoder |
Plus many of these |
| 20:09 |
OldCoder |
Working on it |
| 20:09 |
Jakssoul |
Haha! Did you guys see Casimir's response to why Minetest isn't more popular? |
| 20:09 |
Jakssoul |
"1. The same reason people are using Apple. I don't know that reason, but it has to be the same." |
| 20:10 |
OldCoder |
the same? |
| 20:10 |
Jakssoul |
The same reason. |
| 20:10 |
Jakssoul |
That people use Apple. (The unknown craziness in modern America that causes people to purchase overpriced Apple products.) |
| 20:11 |
OldCoder |
Ah |
| 20:11 |
jordach |
lol. |
| 20:11 |
jordach |
we should be making mac builds |
| 20:11 |
OldCoder |
NEWS Zegaton 30015 is back up. Please test. |
| 20:11 |
Jakssoul |
Ick! |
| 20:11 |
marktraceur |
Jakssoul: Link? |
| 20:12 |
Jakssoul |
People should just get rid of Macs. |
| 20:12 |
Jakssoul |
Link to? |
| 20:12 |
Jakssoul |
http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4210&p=2 |
| 20:12 |
moltenbot |
Jakssoul's link: Why isn't Minetest more popular? (Page 2) - General Discussion - Minetest Forums |
| 20:12 |
Jakssoul |
I started that thread as a simple question, but apparently I've now spawned an entire marketing plan. xD |
| 20:13 |
jordach |
we've been doing that for a whi |
| 20:13 |
jordach |
le actually* |
| 20:13 |
jordach |
lolMac OSX |
| 20:13 |
Jakssoul |
Doing what? |
| 20:14 |
Jakssoul |
Making Mac builds or marketing? |
| 20:14 |
OldCoder |
I am probably here for the next 12 hours except errands. MT work will proceed today. I am going out now briefly to buy fake orange juice. |
| 20:14 |
Jakssoul |
Fake orange juice for the WINN! |
| 20:15 |
marktraceur |
Sunny D!? |
| 20:15 |
Jakssoul |
I hope not. |
| 20:15 |
marktraceur |
*gasp* BLASPHEMER |
| 20:15 |
Jakssoul |
Hahaha. |
| 20:15 |
jordach |
marktraceur: OldCoder cant process most food. |
| 20:16 |
Jakssoul |
So, I looked up and downloaded the entire luatut.com Tutorial on Lua, in hopes of learning more about LUA. Yeah, apparently I have NO idea as to what I'm doing, because I can't get some of the simplest things to work in my Terminal after starting Lua in it. |
| 20:16 |
marktraceur |
Oh hm |
| 20:16 |
* marktraceur |
buys OldCoder an extra CPU....more processing power |
| 20:16 |
Jakssoul |
I am using their recommended SciTE IDE for it, and.. yeah. I'm obviously stupid. |
| 20:17 |
* Jakssoul |
busts out laughing at marktraceur's comment. |
| 20:17 |
marktraceur |
Jakssoul: I think we could probably write a much sexier tutorial for Minetest modding in Lua, it might work out more in your favour |
| 20:17 |
Jakssoul |
Probably, because the current tutorial doesn't explain much. |
| 20:17 |
Jakssoul |
It gives the very basics, but making new blocks isn't what I have in mind. |
| 20:18 |
Jakssoul |
I want to be able to do some real modding for this game, to really propel it forward. |
| 20:18 |
marktraceur |
Jakssoul: I'll see if I can't wrestle some time into my schedule for writing such a tutorial |
| 20:18 |
Jakssoul |
I'd really appreciate it. |
| 20:18 |
* marktraceur |
wonders if a video or audio track would be useful for that |
| 20:18 |
* Jakssoul |
shakes his head at video... |
| 20:19 |
Jakssoul |
I mean, it's your tutorial though. xD |
| 20:19 |
tango_ |
wow minetest sure progressed a lot since the last time I looked at it |
| 20:19 |
marktraceur |
Well, I can imagine that there are some people who are visual learners, who need to see something happening |
| 20:19 |
Jakssoul |
That's true. |
| 20:19 |
jeffrash |
how do I install mods? Just copy them into .minetest/mods/minetest? |
| 20:19 |
Jakssoul |
Yes sir, jeffrash. |
| 20:19 |
jordach |
tango_: welcome back |
| 20:19 |
Jakssoul |
For most of them, that's about it. |
| 20:20 |
tango_ |
jordach: "welcome back" is a bit of stretch, but it's good to see there's so much progress |
| 20:20 |
tango_ |
I still won't have enough time to contribute, I'm afraid |
| 20:20 |
jordach |
damn |
| 20:20 |
jordach |
tango_: most people here dont remember 0.2.x like i do |
| 20:21 |
tango_ |
I haven't looked at 0.4 yet |
| 20:21 |
Jakssoul |
I remember.. 0.4.4. :D Hahahah. |
| 20:21 |
* tango_ |
does a git remote-update |
| 20:21 |
jeffrash |
I just tried to install Zeg9's skins but get an error when the server starts |
| 20:21 |
tango_ |
wow can't find cisoun's repo anymore |
| 20:22 |
Jakssoul |
marktraceur, if you end up making a text-based tutorial, try to make it easy to make for offline browsing. Most of my time spent on my netbook is offline. |
| 20:22 |
marktraceur |
Jakssoul: It'll be set up as a nice HTML page, probably, with source and build instructions readily available |
| 20:22 |
jordach |
tango_: we are not 0.3.x anymore, i dont know why it dissapeared |
| 20:22 |
tango_ |
wait, jungle trees _still_ don't produce wood? |
| 20:23 |
Jakssoul |
I'm a cool kid and have WebHTTrack! So, that'll work great. :D |
| 20:23 |
jordach |
yep |
| 20:24 |
tango_ |
why ... |
| 20:29 |
jordach |
because most people are lazy and use jungle wood as a building material |
| 20:29 |
cisoun |
tango_: my repo ? |
| 20:29 |
markveidemanis |
pu si gro.tsetenim |
| 20:29 |
cisoun |
you mean c55's repo ? |
| 20:29 |
markveidemanis |
read backwards |
| 20:30 |
tango_ |
cisoun: you used to have a repo |
| 20:30 |
cisoun |
an old repo forked from minetest-delta yes |
| 20:30 |
tango_ |
on github, a minetest-delta |
| 20:30 |
tango_ |
yeah |
| 20:30 |
tango_ |
whatever |
| 20:30 |
tango_ |
doesn't matter |
| 20:31 |
cisoun |
https://github.com/cisoun/minetest |
| 20:31 |
moltenbot |
cisoun's link: cisoun/minetest ? GitHub |
| 20:31 |
tango_ |
now I'm trying to cmake the latest git but it complains about missing bzip2 dev files and I can't frigging find the stupid package for them |
| 20:31 |
cisoun |
why the hell are you looking after my repo ? o.o |
| 20:31 |
cisoun |
it's a very old one |
| 20:31 |
tango_ |
cisoun: I ran a git remote update |
| 20:31 |
tango_ |
been a LONG time since the last time I did it |
| 20:32 |
cisoun |
I am astonshed I still haven't removed it... |
| 20:32 |
jeffrash |
!up minetest.org:30015 |
| 20:32 |
moltenbot |
Minetest server minetest.org:30015:30015 DOWN |
| 20:32 |
kaeza |
jeffrash: !up minetest.org 30015 |
| 20:33 |
tango_ |
cisoun: you have removed it, I can't find it |
| 20:33 |
cisoun |
It's still here though : https://github.com/cisoun/minetest |
| 20:33 |
kaeza |
!up minetest.org 30015 |
| 20:33 |
moltenbot |
cisoun's link: cisoun/minetest ? GitHub |
| 20:33 |
tango_ |
or, git can't find it 8-) |
| 20:33 |
moltenbot |
Minetest server minetest.org:30015 UP |
| 20:33 |
tango_ |
cisoun: I was following the minetest-delta repo |
| 20:33 |
jordach |
tango_: i suggest you pull latest git at least once a month |
| 20:33 |
tango_ |
jordach: when I used to follow the development closesy, I did it almost daily |
| 20:33 |
jordach |
from celeron55.master# |
| 20:34 |
tango_ |
the real question is: where are the bzip2 dev files hidden in debian? |
| 20:34 |
cisoun |
tango_: https://github.com/erlehmann/minetest-delta |
| 20:34 |
moltenbot |
cisoun's link: erlehmann/minetest-delta ? GitHub |
| 20:34 |
cisoun |
why do you need minetest-delta ? |
| 20:34 |
cisoun |
nostalgia ? |
| 20:34 |
tango_ |
cisoun: I don't |
| 20:34 |
cisoun |
:D |
| 20:34 |
cisoun |
oh |
| 20:34 |
tango_ |
I just said that git couldn't find yours on a remote update |
| 20:34 |
cisoun |
oh well I maybe deleted the -delta repo. |
| 20:35 |
cisoun |
I don't remember. |
| 20:35 |
jordach |
cisoun! |
| 20:35 |
cisoun |
sup |
| 20:35 |
jordach |
its good to see the old guys are talking again |
| 20:35 |
markveidemanis |
Atchhoooo |
| 20:35 |
cisoun |
lawl |
| 20:35 |
markveidemanis |
sorry |
| 20:35 |
* jordach |
always preferred minetest in -dev |
| 20:35 |
* markveidemanis |
<== he agrees |
| 20:36 |
* Jakssoul |
Is confused about what is going on. |
| 20:36 |
* cisoun |
eat some biscuits. |
| 20:36 |
jordach |
because i remember the days when the forums had a noob free zone |
| 20:36 |
RealBadAngel |
if anybody wann play with new treegen and try to design some tree models: |
| 20:36 |
jordach |
cisoun: eats* |
| 20:36 |
RealBadAngel |
source: https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest |
| 20:36 |
cisoun |
yup thanks ! |
| 20:36 |
moltenbot |
RealBadAngel's link: RealBadAngel/minetest ? GitHub |
| 20:37 |
RealBadAngel |
simple tools for it: http://realbadangel.pl/treegen_tools.zip |
| 20:37 |
cisoun |
I feel a little bit ill this evening. So excuse my english. |
| 20:37 |
tango_ |
ah, there we go |
| 20:37 |
RealBadAngel |
and a screenshot: http://realbadangel.pl/RealAppleTree.png |
| 20:37 |
tango_ |
ok, compiling with gcc first |
| 20:38 |
cisoun |
RealBadAngel: that's pretty funky ! |
| 20:38 |
jordach |
cisoun: alcohol! |
| 20:38 |
cisoun |
WHERE ?! |
| 20:38 |
jordach |
beer + minetest + c++ = good times |
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jordach |
though this will be the result: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw2b8ENc_Ak |
| 20:39 |
moltenbot |
jordach's link: Cyanide & Happiness - Beer Run - YouTube |
| 20:40 |
cisoun |
Well, I'm hesitating between a belgian, swiss or dutch beer right now. |
| 20:40 |
NakedFury |
go american |
| 20:40 |
NakedFury |
or puertorican, Medalla |
| 20:41 |
jordach |
cisoun: i prefer 50% alcohol whiskey |
| 20:41 |
cisoun |
Since when whiskey is at 50% ? |
| 20:42 |
cisoun |
I could take an absinthe too. I live near the place where the real absinthe is made. |
| 20:42 |
cisoun |
Gaddamn I don't know. |
| 20:42 |
* cisoun |
keeps eating his biscuits. |
| 20:43 |
marktraceur |
thexyz: What's the URI for that wiki you set up? |
| 20:43 |
Minetest-tan |
GIT: PilzAdam (PilzAdam) commited to celeron55/minetest: Fix 'longjmp causes uninitialized stack frame' in cURL 896e1a30b0 2012-12-26T12:41:00-08:00 |
| 20:43 |
thexyz |
marktraceur: http://api.minetest.net/ |
| 20:43 |
moltenbot |
thexyz's link: Minetest API |
| 20:43 |
NakedFury |
drink some Bacardi while sitting under a palm tree watching women on bathing suits |
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| 20:44 |
marktraceur |
+++ |
| 20:45 |
marktraceur |
thexyz: Wait, is this for mods only? Or core as well? |
| 20:45 |
thexyz |
for mods |
| 20:45 |
marktraceur |
Hrmmm. |
| 20:45 |
thexyz |
there's already wiki for core http://minetest.net/wiki/doku.php |
| 20:45 |
moltenbot |
thexyz's link: |
| 20:45 |
marktraceur |
thexyz: Would it be terrible to make it more general? |
| 20:46 |
marktraceur |
thexyz: Doku is nice and all, but having the wiki available for both modding and general development would be great. |
| 20:46 |
PilzAdam |
thexyz, do I miss something: http://api.minetest.net/Groups ? |
| 20:46 |
moltenbot |
PilzAdam's link: Groups - Minetest API |
| 20:47 |
thexyz |
this one is designed only for lua api (there're hacks for highlighter, for example) |
| 20:47 |
marktraceur |
thexyz: IIRC the syntaxhighlighter does C++ as well |
| 20:47 |
tango_ |
oh god make -j has locked up my computer |
| 20:47 |
tango_ |
should have thought about it |
| 20:47 |
thexyz |
marktraceur: it does |
| 20:48 |
marktraceur |
thexyz: So what would the problem be? |
| 20:48 |
thexyz |
but i also made it to make API methods into links |
| 20:48 |
marktraceur |
Oh, cool |
| 20:48 |
thexyz |
and I don't think it'll suit this wiki, it's named API.minetest.net, btw, what problems do you have with doku? |
| 20:48 |
marktraceur |
thexyz: It's not as intuitive or user-friendly as MediaWiki |
| 20:49 |
thexyz |
it's pretty intuitive if you're developer, and only developers will use it |
| 20:49 |
OldCoder |
Back |
| 20:49 |
marktraceur |
thexyz: That's very small thinking, and I suspect you know that |
| 20:50 |
marktraceur |
thexyz: We're trying to lower the barrier for entry here, and doku is a step in the wrong direction |
| 20:50 |
marktraceur |
thexyz: If you think of people as "developers" and "not developers" then you're losing a huge potential for expansion of your volunteer base |
| 20:50 |
OldCoder |
jordach, I love food and it goes well sometimes. More food this week I seek. But it is a matter for PM. Here we shall discuss mods and not bods. |
| 20:50 |
OldCoder |
Speaking of which... |
| 20:50 |
jordach |
heh |
| 20:51 |
OldCoder |
Anybody have mod updates or requests? |
| 20:51 |
* jordach |
wonders where VanessaE got to |
| 20:51 |
OldCoder |
Could be resting |
| 20:51 |
OldCoder |
Has not slept enough. |
| 20:51 |
PilzAdam |
<VanessaE> anyway, I'm out. gotta run to the store |
| 20:51 |
PilzAdam |
^ jordach |
| 20:52 |
jordach |
i know |
| 20:52 |
jordach |
sometimes she never says if shes back or not |
| 20:53 |
thexyz |
marktraceur: i don't like the idea of making another developer wiki when one already exists |
| 20:54 |
marktraceur |
thexyz: The other one is stagnant. It drives people away. Splitting up modders and developers only worsens that. |
| 20:56 |
marktraceur |
celeron55: Can I ask you to weigh in on this? If you want to hold on to the dokuwiki instance and keep people segregated, fine. But I don't want us to continue on the path of driving away contributors, and I think this is a good way to mitigate those effects. |
| 20:56 |
marktraceur |
s/mitigate/start mitigating/ |
| 20:56 |
kaeza |
marktraceur: +1 |
| 20:58 |
marktraceur |
For more accurate context, I'd like http://api.minetest.net to host documentation for both modding and core development, and I'd like that to happen sooner rather than later. This should ideally happen soon, because (as I've mentioned) there will be a documentation sprint in mid-January and I want this to be ready for it. |
| 20:58 |
moltenbot |
marktraceur's link: Minetest API |
| 20:59 |
thexyz |
marktraceur: ok, let's wait for celeron55's response |
| 21:01 |
Jakssoul |
marktraceur: +1 |
| 21:02 |
Jakssoul |
kaeza, que haces hoy? |
| 21:02 |
NakedFury |
could the examples used be taken from mods? so people see them in action. |
| 21:02 |
kaeza |
coding :) |
| 21:02 |
marktraceur |
NakedFury: What examples? |
| 21:03 |
Jakssoul |
Quick question: How often is the idea of Mintest's name being changed brought up? I've seen people mention it in the forums pretty frequently. |
| 21:03 |
NakedFury |
The groups of a node or tool are defined in the definiton table: |
| 21:03 |
NakedFury |
minetest.register_node("mod:testnode", { |
| 21:03 |
NakedFury |
-- [...] |
| 21:03 |
NakedFury |
groups = {crumbly=1, meat=2,}, |
| 21:03 |
NakedFury |
}) |
| 21:03 |
NakedFury |
The rating can be any integer, but 0 is equal to nil. |
| 21:03 |
Jakssoul |
Tienes feliz, kaeza. |
| 21:03 |
kaeza |
O_o |
| 21:04 |
jordach |
NakedFury: PASTEBIN. jeez. |
| 21:04 |
Jakssoul |
? Did I say that wrong? |
| 21:04 |
marktraceur |
Oh I see. |
| 21:04 |
thexyz |
NakedFury: if they're licensed under appropriate license |
| 21:04 |
kaeza |
please sitck to english for now ^_^ |
| 21:04 |
kaeza |
stick* |
| 21:04 |
marktraceur |
NakedFury: Can't you edit the wiki? |
| 21:04 |
Jakssoul |
Hahaha, I said have happiness? Oh am I wrong? |
| 21:04 |
kaeza |
lol I figured |
| 21:04 |
Jakssoul |
Since I don't know the word for fun.. xD |
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| 21:05 |
kaeza |
'Estás felÃz?' would be a better one |
| 21:05 |
Jakssoul |
Oh, alrighty |
| 21:05 |
NakedFury |
never tried but would it be a good idea or just leave them with the generic modname foofoo stuff? |
| 21:05 |
kaeza |
Fun = "Diversión" |
| 21:05 |
Jakssoul |
Oh that's right! |
| 21:05 |
kaeza |
'Te diviertes kaeza?' |
| 21:06 |
Jakssoul |
I meant it in more of a command, not a question. |
| 21:06 |
kaeza |
o hai leo_rockway |
| 21:06 |
OldCoder |
kaeza, Did you indicate there may be a fix? Did you wish a test? |
| 21:06 |
Jakssoul |
It's a common English saying, "Have fun!" (Now used generally with sarcasm). |
| 21:07 |
kaeza |
OldCoder: I'm fixing it, not yet. I have patched LuaIRC to allow more reliable checking |
| 21:07 |
kaeza |
Jakssoul: then "Diviértete!" or "Que te diviertas!" |
| 21:08 |
Jakssoul |
Alrighty, thanks. |
| 21:08 |
OldCoder |
kaeza, k |
| 21:09 |
jeffrash |
which mod give you the menus to my places, bags, skins, etc? |
| 21:09 |
kaeza |
jeffrash: Unified Inventory |
| 21:12 |
kaeza |
Jakssoul: Spanish is a weird language, so no doubt strangers have some difficulty learning it |
| 21:12 |
leo_rockway |
hello kaeza |
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| 21:13 |
leo_rockway |
and hello everyone |
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| 21:16 |
OldCoder |
kaeza, Spanish is a Romance Language or derivative. Stays with you if you learn it young. |
| 21:16 |
Jakssoul |
Everyone needs to stop speaking anything but Latin. |
| 21:17 |
OldCoder |
Sic Transit Gloria Mundi |
| 21:17 |
Jakssoul |
Exactly. |
| 21:17 |
kaeza |
I have a better idea, we should be able to telepathically impress what we mean in other people's minds! No more need for different languages! |
| 21:18 |
kaeza |
:P |
| 21:18 |
Jakssoul |
That would be nice too. |
| 21:18 |
Jakssoul |
No doubt. xD |
| 21:18 |
Jakssoul |
Sic Finit loqui de latina |
| 21:19 |
kaeza |
Jakssoul: cheater |
| 21:19 |
kaeza |
no Google Translate plz :) |
| 21:19 |
Jakssoul |
Google Translate. :D |
| 21:19 |
Jakssoul |
Hahha! |
| 21:19 |
Jakssoul |
See, you read my mind. |
| 21:19 |
Jakssoul |
We already have that ability! |
| 21:20 |
* kaeza |
has evolved beyond human imagination |
| 21:21 |
* Jakssoul |
welcomes you to where he has been since creation. |
| 21:21 |
Jakssoul |
If you don't worship me, Brimstone and Limestone await you. ;) |
| 21:21 |
kaeza |
/me waited impatiently for Jakssoul's answer |
| 21:21 |
kaeza |
gawd you are slow :P |
| 21:21 |
Jakssoul |
Hahaha! |
| 21:29 |
* jordach |
yawns |
| 21:31 |
* Jakssoul |
yawns. |
| 21:31 |
Jakssoul |
Louder. |
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| 21:31 |
markveidemanis |
hi |
| 21:32 |
Jakssoul |
Hi. |
| 21:33 |
jordach |
O.O |
| 21:33 |
kaeza |
hi |
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| 21:34 |
kaeza |
o hai Kacey |
| 21:34 |
Kacey |
hello |
| 21:34 |
Jakssoul |
Hey-lo., |
| 21:35 |
Jakssoul |
Did you ever get Windows installed? |
| 21:35 |
* Jakssoul |
almost vomits. |
| 21:36 |
* kaeza |
has already vomited |
| 21:36 |
Jakssoul |
Because of Windows? |
| 21:36 |
Kacey |
no i installed xubuntu |
| 21:36 |
Jakssoul |
HIGH FIVE! |
| 21:36 |
kaeza |
\o/ |
| 21:37 |
* Jakssoul |
puts hand up to high five! |
| 21:37 |
Kacey |
no no high five |
| 21:37 |
Jakssoul |
Why not? |
| 21:37 |
Jakssoul |
Oh. Well! Okay then./ |
| 21:37 |
kaeza |
? |
| 21:37 |
kaeza |
gone... |
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| 21:37 |
Jakssoul |
Somebody doesn't like Xubuntu. :( |
| 21:37 |
* jordach |
was hosting a LAN game when suddenly: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1468189/ |
| 21:38 |
Kacey |
i like it |
| 21:38 |
Jakssoul |
Oh, good! |
| 21:38 |
Jakssoul |
Well that's no fun, jordach. |
| 21:38 |
jordach |
access_violation |
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| 21:38 |
kaeza |
jordach: access violations again? |
| 21:38 |
jordach |
it wrote around 2000000 lines |
| 21:38 |
jordach |
kaeza: first timer here |
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| 21:39 |
Jakssoul |
Oh! john_minetest is jmf on the forums? |
| 21:39 |
kaeza |
jordach: that seems to happen often on Win |
| 21:39 |
Jakssoul |
That's nice to know. |
| 21:39 |
Jakssoul |
Hello, LunaVorax. |
| 21:40 |
kaeza |
jordach: on linux this is usually unnoticed bc the client just dumps core |
| 21:40 |
Jakssoul |
That's where I saw it just now. |
| 21:41 |
jordach |
and heres the core: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1468195/ |
| 21:41 |
moltenbot |
jordach's link: Ubuntu Pastebin |
| 21:41 |
LunaVorax |
Hello Jakssoul |
| 21:42 |
jordach |
kaeza: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1468195/ |
| 21:42 |
moltenbot |
jordach's link: Ubuntu Pastebin |
| 21:42 |
jordach |
core dump |
| 21:43 |
kaeza |
hi LunaVorax |
| 21:43 |
kaeza |
jordach yes |
| 21:43 |
kaeza |
I mean on windows it seems to continue spitting Access Violations like hell |
| 21:43 |
kaeza |
instead of just crashing |
| 21:44 |
LunaVorax |
Hello EVERYONE |
| 21:44 |
Jakssoul |
Hello LUNAVORAX. Haha. |
| 21:44 |
Jakssoul |
How's it going? |
| 21:45 |
kaeza |
LunaVorax: you seem new here |
| 21:45 |
LunaVorax |
It's fine, I just read the latest news about gnu sed/grep leaving the FSF |
| 21:45 |
kaeza |
lolwut |
| 21:45 |
kaeza |
sed leaving the FSF? |
| 21:45 |
LunaVorax |
It's not _that_ a shocking news, but the flame war around it is concerning |
| 21:45 |
marktraceur |
kaeza: I thought the maintainer was just retiring |
| 21:46 |
LunaVorax |
Or maybe it's that marktraceur |
| 21:46 |
marktraceur |
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.gnu.general/7873 |
| 21:46 |
moltenbot |
marktraceur's link: Gmane -- GNU sed 4.2.2 released, and a rant from the maintainer |
| 21:46 |
marktraceur |
Last one I heard |
| 21:46 |
LunaVorax |
I don't understand clearly what's going on but it's going bad |
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| 21:46 |
kaeza |
yeah, sed is a core utility in a GNU system |
| 21:46 |
Kaceygame |
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| 21:47 |
kaeza |
oh gawd what have I done??? |
| 21:47 |
marktraceur |
Kaceygame: This seems like....not the best place to test the IRC mod |
| 21:47 |
Kacey |
im not testing |
| 21:47 |
kaeza |
Kacey I told you so |
| 21:47 |
Kacey |
im listening in |
| 21:47 |
LunaVorax |
But it's depressing me a bit, it's like if I was reading everywhere "Who gives a shit about freedom anyway?" |
| 21:47 |
kaeza |
but well, if you don't flood |
| 21:48 |
marktraceur |
LunaVorax: I don't think that's the problem. I think Paolo just realized that there were some things on the technical side that weren't getting the right amount of attention. |
| 21:48 |
Kaceygame |
<Kacey> i need help for a mesecon invention |
| 21:48 |
leo_rockway |
gnutls is leaving gnu, not sed nor grep. |
| 21:48 |
kaeza |
lol |
| 21:48 |
LunaVorax |
Hope you're right marktraceur |
| 21:49 |
leo_rockway |
but rms was like "no, gnutls will remain gnu. You fork if you want" |
| 21:49 |
marktraceur |
leo_rockway: {{cn}} ? |
| 21:49 |
marktraceur |
(citation needed) |
| 21:49 |
leo_rockway |
marktraceur: the maintainer expressed his intention on the mailing list. |
| 21:49 |
leo_rockway |
I don't have a link on me atm |
| 21:50 |
marktraceur |
http://lwn.net/Articles/529558/ |
| 21:50 |
moltenbot |
marktraceur's link: gnutls is moving [LWN.net] |
| 21:50 |
leo_rockway |
yes, that |
| 21:50 |
marktraceur |
Wow. |
| 21:51 |
marktraceur |
That's quite a trend, then |
| 21:51 |
leo_rockway |
I didn't read rms' reply first hand. But I read comments that said that he appreciates the work the maintainer has done, but GNUtls is a GNU app, so he can fork if he wants and continue his work with a different name. |
| 21:51 |
Jakssoul |
Hey guys, what would you say is the smallest and fastest Linux distro compatible with Minetest. (Puppy isn't an option. :( ) |
| 21:51 |
leo_rockway |
the FSF has the copyrights, but gnutls is morally Nikos' |
| 21:52 |
leo_rockway |
so... it's kind of complicated |
| 21:52 |
kaeza |
one more reason to hate FSF imho |
| 21:52 |
kaeza |
that is not freedom |
| 21:52 |
leo_rockway |
I like the FSF |
| 21:52 |
leo_rockway |
and I like the work rms did |
| 21:52 |
leo_rockway |
but I think it's time for him to retire |
| 21:53 |
leo_rockway |
[sorry for the OT, btw] |
| 21:53 |
marktraceur |
kaeza: The guy is totally free to do what he likes, that's acceptable |
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leo_rockway |
kaeza: yes, Nikos can continue working on gnutls, they asked him to fork it and name it something else. |
| 21:53 |
kaeza |
yeah, I don't know how to say it more clearly |
| 21:53 |
LunaVorax |
Jakssoul, ArchLinux |
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| 21:53 |
marktraceur |
kaeza: Basically the better way to put it would be "gnutls's maintainer is moving his work somewhere, and GNU is maintaining their version of it elsewhere" |
| 21:53 |
leo_rockway |
marktraceur: did you see what happened to rms in Brazil? |
| 21:53 |
Jakssoul |
ArchLinux scares me. |
| 21:54 |
Jakssoul |
It scares anyone who isn't a Linux genius. |
| 21:54 |
marktraceur |
leo_rockway: He had something stolen IIRC |
| 21:54 |
leo_rockway |
marktraceur: no, that was here in Argentina. |
| 21:54 |
marktraceur |
Oh hm. |
| 21:54 |
leo_rockway |
in Brazil he freaked out... |
| 21:54 |
marktraceur |
What happen in Brazil? |
| 21:54 |
leo_rockway |
he asked "should I give my speech in EN or PT?" |
| 21:54 |
LunaVorax |
Jakssoul, it is scary at first, but using it will teach you a lot of things about GNU/Linux. The documentation is excellent. |
| 21:54 |
leo_rockway |
people said "English would be better" |
| 21:54 |
leo_rockway |
an hour into it they told him "on second thought... maybe Spanish" |
| 21:54 |
leo_rockway |
sorry, not PT, but ES. |
| 21:54 |
leo_rockway |
and he got MAD |
| 21:55 |
leo_rockway |
he had reason to be upset, but he completely overreacted |
| 21:55 |
marktraceur |
Hm. |
| 21:55 |
leo_rockway |
marktraceur: there's a video around, but out of respect to him I'd rather not post it here. |
| 21:55 |
Jakssoul |
LunaVorax, I've actually been told in the past that the documentation is AWFUL. How "excellent" is it really? |
| 21:56 |
marktraceur |
leo_rockway: Strange stuff. I can see why that might elicit an extreme reaction. |
| 21:56 |
LunaVorax |
He's weird leo_rockway, it's no surprise. |
| 21:56 |
leo_rockway |
marktraceur: I can pm you the link if yo uwant. |
| 21:56 |
marktraceur |
leo_rockway: Nah |
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| 21:56 |
leo_rockway |
Jakssoul: Arch's documentation is one of the best. |
| 21:56 |
leo_rockway |
along with Gentoo's and the BSDs |
| 21:56 |
Jakssoul |
Then I was misinformed. |
| 21:56 |
LunaVorax |
Jakssoul, well it guide you step by step for the installation for exemple |
| 21:57 |
LunaVorax |
And a lot of common problems are documented |
| 21:57 |
leo_rockway |
marktraceur: he was swearing out loud and he smashed the mic against the table. I think he's burned out and he needs to step down. |
| 21:57 |
LunaVorax |
Jakssoul, ArchLinux users can be asses on IRC or forum. But if you precisely describe your problem and say what you've already tried, it'll be ok. |
| 21:57 |
leo_rockway |
I know how he is, so I'm not freaked out, but new comers won't see it that way. |
| 21:58 |
Jakssoul |
Alrighty, I'll look into it more. |
| 21:58 |
leo_rockway |
Jakssoul: Arch has a LOT of DIY... |
| 21:58 |
leo_rockway |
so you have to be willing to learn the ins and outs of your system |
| 21:58 |
LunaVorax |
Jakssoul, for 100% FOSS Arch, chose Parabola, it's Arch with no closed-source component, and the people are really nice. |
| 21:58 |
Jakssoul |
Alrighty. |
| 21:58 |
mrdragons |
What's not free about arch? |
| 21:58 |
LunaVorax |
Jakssoul, train yourself in a VM first |
| 21:59 |
LunaVorax |
mrdragons, what john_minetest said |
| 21:59 |
leo_rockway |
john_minetest: mhm. |
| 21:59 |
LunaVorax |
mrdragons, Flash, Skype, nVidia/ATI drivers… |
| 21:59 |
leo_rockway |
mrdragons: lots of things. Linux, for starters. |
| 21:59 |
mrdragons |
Ah, well I don't care much about that. |
| 21:59 |
LunaVorax |
Usually, mrdragons, the very useful softwares aren't FOSS :( (except for Flash, it sucks) |
| 22:00 |
leo_rockway |
there are very little pieces of software without a usable FOSS alternative. |
| 22:00 |
LunaVorax |
I won't convert you mrdragons… for now ;) |
| 22:01 |
mrdragons |
Convert me? I usually stay away from closed-source stuff, I haven't had flash installed for months |
| 22:01 |
mrdragons |
But I like to have the option availible |
| 22:01 |
LunaVorax |
A FOSS Skype alternative would probably be doable, but the FSF has no extra people or money to dive into such a project. |
| 22:01 |
LunaVorax |
Ok, I perfectly understand that mrdragons |
| 22:01 |
leo_rockway |
LunaVorax: XMPP works quite well, but it has no landphone integration. |
| 22:01 |
marktraceur |
LunaVorax: I've had OK success with Ekiga |
| 22:02 |
marktraceur |
I haven't done computer-to-computer with it, though. |
| 22:02 |
leo_rockway |
I haven't had a lot of success with SIP |
| 22:02 |
LunaVorax |
marktraceur, I never figured out how to use Ekiga tbh |
| 22:02 |
leo_rockway |
I used it computer-to-computer |
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* marktraceur |
has been without cell phone and using ekiga for roughly 1.5 months |
| 22:02 |
leo_rockway |
but the best "feature" of Skype is poking holes in firewalls and always finding a way out |
| 22:02 |
leo_rockway |
people like that security flaw... |
| 22:03 |
LunaVorax |
leo_rockway, I never managed to make a working phone/video call via Pidgin using GTalk… and now I'll have to wait until Pidgin 3.0 because they removed the Video/Audio support because of some incompatibilities with Gstreamer 1.0 |
| 22:03 |
leo_rockway |
LunaVorax: I managed with telepathy. |
| 22:03 |
leo_rockway |
but it had to be telepathy on both ends |
| 22:03 |
leo_rockway |
and it worked really well for audio/video |
| 22:03 |
LunaVorax |
Hum ok, that sucks |
| 22:04 |
LunaVorax |
Ok |
| 22:04 |
leo_rockway |
I tried telepathy and pidgin and they weren't talking to each other for some reason... this was about 6 months ago. |
| 22:04 |
leo_rockway |
maybe a bit more |
| 22:04 |
LunaVorax |
Ouch |
| 22:05 |
leo_rockway |
nowadays I use Google's nonfree plugin :S |
| 22:05 |
LunaVorax |
sudo pacman -S empathy >> an extra 190mo of software |
| 22:05 |
leo_rockway |
I use Telepathy KDE |
| 22:05 |
leo_rockway |
=] |
| 22:05 |
LunaVorax |
I'm running XFCE |
| 22:05 |
leo_rockway |
oh... |
| 22:05 |
LunaVorax |
Yeah |
| 22:05 |
leo_rockway |
then yes... 190mo sounds about right |
| 22:05 |
LunaVorax |
I was a Gnome2 fanboy before Gnome3 |
| 22:06 |
leo_rockway |
I never liked Gnome |
| 22:06 |
LunaVorax |
Then I switched to XFCE… and THEN I realised I should have started with XFCE from the beginning |
| 22:06 |
leo_rockway |
I always liked KDE and E16/17. I stayed with KDE because E was talking too long to release... |
| 22:06 |
LunaVorax |
XFCE = Gnome2 without bugs and slowdowns |
| 22:06 |
leo_rockway |
I think XFCE is alright. I never liked Gnome, though. |
| 22:06 |
LunaVorax |
Isn't E16/17 a pain to install and configure ? |
| 22:07 |
leo_rockway |
not to install, just install it from the repos |
| 22:07 |
LunaVorax |
Their website is absolutely not clear |
| 22:07 |
leo_rockway |
to configure... and to get used to... yes |
| 22:07 |
leo_rockway |
well, you can keep the default configs, but the beauty of E is that everything can be tweaked |
| 22:07 |
LunaVorax |
I would love to dig into dwm |
| 22:08 |
leo_rockway |
dwm is nice |
| 22:08 |
LunaVorax |
LXDE is a waste of time, better getting used to openbox with your custom set of softwares |
| 22:08 |
leo_rockway |
LunaVorax: ++ |
| 22:08 |
celeron55 |
wm wars? icewm! |
| 22:08 |
kaeza |
LunaVorax: what do you think of IceWM? |
| 22:08 |
leo_rockway |
I never tired icewm |
| 22:08 |
LunaVorax |
Never tried it, is it that popular ? |
| 22:08 |
kaeza |
oh ninja'd |
| 22:09 |
leo_rockway |
tried* |
| 22:09 |
leo_rockway |
I remember trying fvwm95, hehe. |
| 22:09 |
LunaVorax |
IceWM looks E16/17-ish |
| 22:09 |
celeron55 |
icewm a rock solid well designed minimal windows-esque WM from the 90's |
| 22:09 |
kaeza |
LunaVorax: Puppy Linux has it as an optional WM |
| 22:09 |
kaeza |
and it's pretty lightweight and fast |
| 22:09 |
kaeza |
yet full featured WM |
| 22:10 |
LunaVorax |
I stay away from Puppy, it's nice and funny but it's too much of a "basement-distro" for me :D |
| 22:10 |
celeron55 |
i once benchmarked on a 100-200MHz laptop: icewm was way faster at switching workspaces than fluxbox |
| 22:10 |
OldCoder |
celeron55, kaeza I use Openbox LXPanel ROX-Filer and a number of patches and components of my own design |
| 22:11 |
kaeza |
OldCoder: good! I like ROX Filer |
| 22:11 |
LunaVorax |
I also use XFCE not only because it's fast and simple, but because I'm lazy, it comes with it own set of softwares. |
| 22:11 |
OldCoder |
I have produced wrappers and scripts that integrate my browser with the desktop |
| 22:12 |
LunaVorax |
Dunno if I'll switch to Wayland |
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marktraceur |
celeron55: Did you see the question we (myself and thexyz) had askde you above? |
| 22:18 |
marktraceur |
asked* |
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Minetest |
Visit this: |
| 22:25 |
Minetest |
https://epicfreeprizes.com/?ref=1951505 |
| 22:26 |
mrdragons |
Seems legit. |
| 22:26 |
VanessaE |
about as legit as a US $3 bill maybe. |
| 22:27 |
marktraceur |
That's a 30 dollar bill right three |
| 22:27 |
marktraceur |
there* |
| 22:27 |
Jakssoul |
Hahahahaha! |
| 22:27 |
marktraceur |
(anyone else watch Storage Wars to observe evolution failing to work?) |
| 22:27 |
Jakssoul |
I GOT IT! |
| 22:27 |
Jakssoul |
I laughed! |
| 22:28 |
Jakssoul |
That's a $42.39 dollar bill right der! (Waiting for the day this happens)! |
| 22:29 |
jordach |
VanessaE: the list isnt ticking itself!! XD |
| 22:29 |
VanessaE |
too lazy right now :-) |
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| 22:30 |
VanessaE |
hey xy. |
| 22:30 |
jordach |
VanessaE: should i fork homedecor and add the dishwasher and washing machine? |
| 22:30 |
VanessaE |
if you want :-) |
| 22:30 |
* jordach |
does not do node boxes |
| 22:30 |
Jakssoul |
VanessaE: Could you /join #threeway ? (It's not perverted, just realized how that sounds after I said it. >_>) |
| 22:30 |
VanessaE |
I didn't put it on github just as cloud storage :) |
| 22:31 |
VanessaE |
Jakssoul: um..no |
| 22:31 |
jordach |
VanessaE: what parts would you consider for the washing machine? |
| 22:32 |
VanessaE |
what parts? you mean for the recipe? |
| 22:32 |
jordach |
mhm |
| 22:32 |
jordach |
use pm |
| 22:32 |
jordach |
[22:32] <@john_minetest> we just discuss about how to sell minetest on usb drives. VanessaE #threeway |
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jordach |
i hate webchat |
| 22:33 |
kaeza |
jordach: try a *real* irc client |
| 22:33 |
q66 |
then use a proper irc client? |
| 22:34 |
* jordach |
is not at home and is not willing to piss up another pc |
| 22:34 |
marktraceur |
jordach: Why wouldn't this person want you to install a tiny piece of software? |
| 22:34 |
jordach |
dunno# |
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marktraceur |
Then do it! |
| 22:35 |
marktraceur |
Worse yet, ask! |
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| 22:36 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: merge my mese update. :-) |
| 22:36 |
PilzAdam |
whats the benefit? |
| 22:37 |
VanessaE |
fewer people bitching about the change? ;-) |
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* marktraceur |
will bitch about the change either way :P |
| 22:38 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: this update makes the old mese object available again, but stops it from spawning in newly-generated terrain, in favor of the crystals-in-stone one. also adds cross-compatibility with crystals so the old stuff can still be used. |
| 22:39 |
PilzAdam |
we had a poll to change it to crystals |
| 22:39 |
PilzAdam |
why change it? |
| 22:39 |
VanessaE |
because too many people bitched and whined that the old stuff was being phased out too quickly. |
| 22:39 |
kaeza |
bc it makes more sense |
| 22:39 |
PilzAdam |
but more people dont do this |
| 22:39 |
kaeza |
(for a nonsensical block) |
| 22:40 |
VanessaE |
yes I know |
| 22:40 |
VanessaE |
but this covers all possible use cases |
| 22:40 |
VanessaE |
(apropos: http://xkcd.com/927/ ) |
| 22:40 |
PilzAdam |
I want old maps to be converted to the crystal thing |
| 22:40 |
PilzAdam |
what about this? |
| 22:40 |
VanessaE |
they will be. |
| 22:41 |
VanessaE |
sorta |
| 22:41 |
VanessaE |
if old mese was there, it stays there - but as new terrain is explored, only mese crystals will show up |
| 22:41 |
VanessaE |
so sooner or later there will be no more of the old stuff. |
| 22:41 |
VanessaE |
I was reminded: |
| 22:41 |
leo_rockway |
dig it all, destroy it. |
| 22:41 |
PilzAdam |
I want the whole map converted, not only the new part |
| 22:41 |
VanessaE |
people make structures of the old mese. |
| 22:41 |
VanessaE |
so it can't be converted. |
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| 22:42 |
VanessaE |
such a conversion needs an abm or something so that peoples' inventories aren't disrupted. |
| 22:42 |
VanessaE |
not suitable for inclusion in the default game imho |
| 22:44 |
youlysses |
leo_rockway: What poor planing from the the Brazilan planner, mixed with individuals not understanding Autism? |
| 22:45 |
leo_rockway |
youlysses: he was right to be mad. I still think that smashing the mic was an overreaction. |
| 22:45 |
youlysses |
leo_rockway: Do you know any individuals on the spectrum? |
| 22:45 |
leo_rockway |
youlysses: the rest of the people don't. |
| 22:46 |
leo_rockway |
they don't have to know that he has autism. |
| 22:46 |
leo_rockway |
they see a guy that was asked to switch languages and he reacted smashing a mic and swearing out loud. |
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youlysses |
leo_rockway: Then you educate them. |
| 22:46 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: such as davidpace. \ |
| 22:47 |
davidpace |
? |
| 22:47 |
VanessaE |
;) |
| 22:47 |
davidpace |
... |
| 22:47 |
VanessaE |
davidpace: nothing, just being funny |
| 22:47 |
youlysses |
Really though, from perosnal experience... that wasn't that bad of a "tantrum". |
| 22:47 |
davidpace |
Riiiight |
| 22:47 |
youlysses |
*personal |
| 22:47 |
VanessaE |
talking about the mese->crystals change and my proposed update to address everyone's latent concerns. |
| 22:48 |
leo_rockway |
youlysses: o.o then I wouldn't like to see him in a bad tantrum :S |
| 22:48 |
youlysses |
leo_rockway: I'm not saying him, I'm saying I know people on the autistic-spectrum, that have acted *much worse* for *much longer*. |
| 22:49 |
leo_rockway |
oh, okay |
| 22:49 |
leo_rockway |
I don't personally know any autistic person |
| 22:49 |
leo_rockway |
not IRL, I think. |
| 22:49 |
youlysses |
leo_rockway: And I don't think many do, so it probally is hard to relate. :-/ |
| 22:52 |
youlysses |
I'm not saying it's approriate though and I do think RMS is NT-leaning enough to be able to understand he acted unprofessionally; though this defintley a factor in his personal and professional-life. |
| 22:56 |
leo_rockway |
youlysses: when he asked people to stop recording you can tell that he realizes that he had acted unprofessionally. |
| 22:57 |
davidpace |
Who are you guys talking about? |
| 22:58 |
youlysses |
leo_rockway: RMS, and his little "tantrum" and the factors that influnced it. |
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leo_rockway |
davidpace: ^ |
| 22:58 |
davidpace |
Alright :-) |
| 22:58 |
youlysses |
leo_rockway: Oops, sorry. :-P |
| 22:58 |
leo_rockway |
he did ask right before the talk if they preferred EN or ES... |
| 22:59 |
leo_rockway |
so he was right to be upset |
| 23:02 |
youlysses |
leo_rockway: I still think the whole thing could have been prevented if the event-planner would have hired a translator. Oh well, can't change the past... :-P |
| 23:02 |
leo_rockway |
indeed |
| 23:02 |
leo_rockway |
I would've translated if they had paid me the trip... o.o |
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youlysses |
leo_rockway: You speak brazilan? |
| 23:03 |
youlysses |
**Portuguese. |
| 23:03 |
iqualfragile |
short summary? |
| 23:03 |
leo_rockway |
I speak some Portuguese. It's indeed really close to Spanish. |
| 23:03 |
youlysses |
iqualfragile: Oh the "tantrum"? |
| 23:04 |
iqualfragile |
i dont know, what happened? |
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STHGOM |
hallooo |
| 23:06 |
davidpace |
Would anyone play in a survival server? Not PvP, but surviving against mobs? |
| 23:06 |
jordach |
meh |
| 23:06 |
davidpace |
Meh? |
| 23:07 |
leo_rockway |
iqualfragile: he went to give his talk on free software to Brazil. He asked them if they preferred Spanish (which he speaks well, although with a very strong accent) or English. |
| 23:07 |
leo_rockway |
they said English. |
| 23:07 |
youlysses |
iqualfragile: RMS was going to give in a speech in Brazil. Oh the two language that are most common to be-spoken which he knew was English and Spanish; they speak Porteguese. He game a choice at the begining of which to speak. They choose English. 15 minutes into his speech, someone interputed him and said that half of them don't understand. RMS being frustrated he couldn't convey his message effectively had a mild semi-classical |
| 23:07 |
youlysses |
"tantrum". |
| 23:08 |
leo_rockway |
halfway through the talk, they asked him to switch to Spanish, because the couldn't understand his English. |
| 23:08 |
leo_rockway |
Spanish and Portuguese are _very_ similar. |
| 23:08 |
STHGOM |
hola, ola... |
| 23:08 |
iqualfragile |
xD |
| 23:09 |
youlysses |
iqualfragile: We were discussing how RMS actually *is* on the Autistic spectrum, and this was defintley a factor. And how this unfournate situation could have been avoided if the event organizer would have hired a translator. :-P |
| 23:09 |
youlysses |
leo_rockway: If they're "so close", any idea why they choose English intially. |
| 23:09 |
leo_rockway |
iqualfragile: he was like "now I don't know WTF to do" and at some point smashed the mic against the table. The audience laughed o.o. He continued in English after some frustrated screaming. |
| 23:09 |
youlysses |
*? |
| 23:10 |
leo_rockway |
youlysses: maybe because rms has a very strong accent in Spanish. |
| 23:10 |
youlysses |
leo_rockway: Well I'm pretty sure they thought RMS was joking intially, which is what I thought. :-/ |
| 23:10 |
youlysses |
leo_rockway: Ah, I see. |
| 23:10 |
iqualfragile |
is there a video of that happening? |
| 23:10 |
davidpace |
Would anybody play on a server like this?: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3003 |
| 23:10 |
moltenbot |
davidpace's link: [Game] Dwarves [dwarves] [0.9.6.1] (Page 1) - Minetest Games - Minetest Forums |
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davidpace |
A survival server |
| 23:11 |
davidpace |
Not PvP |
| 23:11 |
leo_rockway |
iqualfragile: yes, it's in YT. |
| 23:11 |
youlysses |
iqualfragile: Yeah, it's not pretty though. And I'm not linking it to you, you can find it yourself I guess... it's against it's RMS wishes for distrubiton, and I'll respect not making that any-worse. |
| 23:12 |
leo_rockway |
he did ask people to stop recording, so I don't really want to link to it. |
| 23:12 |
iqualfragile |
ok |
| 23:12 |
youlysses |
*RMS' |
| 23:14 |
leo_rockway |
I didn't know anybody could like ESR |
| 23:14 |
LunaVorax |
ESR? |
| 23:15 |
leo_rockway |
Eric Raymond |
| 23:15 |
leo_rockway |
he wrote the Cathedral and the Bazaar |
| 23:15 |
youlysses |
john_minetest: You don't have to like him, but are you one of the individuals who have no-idea what he's actually done for the GNU/Linux system? |
| 23:15 |
leo_rockway |
I don't agree with rms on a political level. And I don't particularly like him, not dislike him. But I think he gave us an amazing gift. |
| 23:16 |
LunaVorax |
Ah, him |
| 23:16 |
STHGOM |
bye |
| 23:16 |
LunaVorax |
Isn't he a douche? |
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leo_rockway |
john_minetest: esr is kind of racist. And I say kind of to be nice... |
| 23:16 |
Jakssoul |
I know I am, so sorry. |
| 23:16 |
Jakssoul |
A douche, that is. |
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LunaVorax |
Jakssoul, ESR I meant :D |
| 23:17 |
Jakssoul |
I know, just playing. ;) |
| 23:17 |
youlysses |
john_minetest: Ok then. Most-people I seem to talk to don't seem to know that RMS did "anything" for GNU/Linux... |
| 23:17 |
LunaVorax |
I know you know Jakssoul |
| 23:18 |
Exio |
we know you know what he know LunaVorax |
| 23:19 |
leo_rockway |
I think coming up with GNU GPL is the best thing rms ever did. |
| 23:19 |
leo_rockway |
but, granted, I'm not an emacs user |
| 23:19 |
LunaVorax |
emacs is both heaven and hell |
| 23:20 |
youlysses |
leo_rockway: Well it depends from what you're looking at. From a legal-level, I'd agree. But Emacs *is* my DE of choice. ;-) |
| 23:20 |
Zeg9 |
Who is RMS ? and why do we call it gnu/linux and not just linux ? </troll> Hi ! |
| 23:20 |
Exio |
hahaha |
| 23:20 |
Exio |
hai Zeg9 |
| 23:20 |
Exio |
btw, hi too |
| 23:21 |
leo_rockway |
john_minetest: then read his blog what he has to say about islam. |
| 23:22 |
Zeg9 |
Every hacker, but not every man. |
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| 23:22 |
Jakssoul |
Every man can claim hacker status. |
| 23:22 |
Jakssoul |
*cough cough* |
| 23:23 |
Jakssoul |
Hey, look! I can begin an HTML document! <html> AND end it! </html> I'm a hacker. |
| 23:23 |
kaeza |
<div>Q: what's the best way to piss a web developer?</span> |
| 23:24 |
OldCoder |
htmlacker |
| 23:24 |
Exio |
lol kaeza |
| 23:24 |
OldCoder |
kaeza, What? |
| 23:24 |
OldCoder |
Ah! |
| 23:24 |
Exio |
hahaha |
| 23:24 |
leo_rockway |
xD |
| 23:24 |
leo_rockway |
kaeza: sos grosso, sabelo. |
| 23:24 |
OldCoder |
That will make them itch |
| 23:24 |
kaeza |
C wut I did thur? |
| 23:24 |
Zeg9 |
Every hacker is equal when he is behind his computer << better? |
| 23:24 |
Jakssoul |
HEY! Who here is visually creative? |
| 23:24 |
kaeza |
leo_rockway: thx |
| 23:24 |
kaeza |
:D |
| 23:25 |
kaeza |
u 2 |
| 23:25 |
youlysses |
Jakssoul: Describe "visually creative". |
| 23:25 |
leo_rockway |
john_minetest: |
| 23:25 |
leo_rockway |
"our long-term objective must be to break, crush and eventually destroy this culture, because we can't live on the same planet with people who both carry those memes and have access to weapons of mass destruction. They will hate us and seek to destroy us not for what we've done but for what we are" |
| 23:25 |
Jakssoul |
It's pretty obvious what I mean. |
| 23:25 |
leo_rockway |
this is a huge OT and we can continue it on a PM if you'd like |
| 23:25 |
leo_rockway |
but in like 2 hours, because I'm at work o.o |
| 23:26 |
Exio |
leo_rockway: btw, where do you live? |
| 23:26 |
leo_rockway |
Exio: CABA |
| 23:26 |
Jakssoul |
Anyway: Multiple people in the Minetest community have been spending the last few hours trying to come up with a way to raise awareness and funds for the Minetest project. If anyone would like to be a part of the discussion, /join #threeway |
| 23:26 |
Jakssoul |
Right now, our best bet is T-shirts. |
| 23:26 |
leo_rockway |
get a mob that's awesome, like the creepers. Sell merchandise. |
| 23:26 |
Exio |
CABA? wat? |
| 23:27 |
leo_rockway |
Exio: Ciudad Autónoma de Buenos Aires. |
| 23:27 |
Jakssoul |
Dungeon Masters. Maybe. |
| 23:27 |
LunaVorax |
At least equality is kinda true on IRC |
| 23:27 |
Exio |
lol |
| 23:27 |
Exio |
just say Argentina! :P |
| 23:27 |
leo_rockway |
Exio: but you knew that! |
| 23:27 |
leo_rockway |
I had already mentioned it... hadn't I? |
| 23:27 |
Jakssoul |
joardach said he may do a 3d rendering of his player skin or something. |
| 23:27 |
leo_rockway |
maybe I hadn't o.o |
| 23:28 |
Exio |
i didn't know you were argentinian :P |
| 23:28 |
youlysses |
Jakssoul: No it's not. You could mean be able to come up with designs and not implement them well. |
| 23:28 |
leo_rockway |
we can now start the Argentine Minetest Users Group |
| 23:28 |
Exio |
hehe |
| 23:29 |
Jakssoul |
youlysses, How about just some creative minds? |
| 23:29 |
Jakssoul |
There |
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| 23:29 |
Exio |
why Argentine? poor kaeza |
| 23:29 |
Jakssoul |
Let's be very pedantic. |
| 23:29 |
youlysses |
Jakssoul: Don't have to be "snippy". :-P |
| 23:29 |
leo_rockway |
Rioplatense Minetest User Group |
| 23:29 |
Jakssoul |
:D Sorry. :P |
| 23:29 |
Exio |
lol |
| 23:29 |
kaeza |
Exio: nope |
| 23:29 |
kaeza |
Uruguayo |
| 23:29 |
kaeza |
:D |
| 23:29 |
leo_rockway |
kaeza: yes, that's why he mentioned I was leaving you out of the group. |
| 23:30 |
kaeza |
y? :( |
| 23:30 |
kaeza |
hey! |
| 23:30 |
leo_rockway |
leo_rockway │ we can now start the Argentine Minetest Users Group |
| 23:30 |
Exio |
[20:29:27] <leo_rockway> Rioplatense Minetest User Group |
| 23:30 |
kaeza |
oh |
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kaeza |
+1 |
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| 23:31 |
Exio |
now i have a pink minetest :D |
| 23:31 |
jojoa1997_ |
does anyone know if there is going to be a minetest app for android |
| 23:32 |
Zeg9 |
Root it and install linux instead :D |
| 23:33 |
iqualfragile |
Zeg9: -.- android is linux |
| 23:33 |
Exio |
android is linux, like mac os x is bsd |
| 23:33 |
iqualfragile |
jojoa1997_: no, there is not but you could root your device and install a X stack |
| 23:34 |
LunaVorax |
Yeah no Exio, Android is more GNU/Linux than OS X is BSD |
| 23:34 |
Exio |
iqualfragile: the only way for having access to the GPU in some X11 in android is 'killing' the interface, and you can't do that |
| 23:34 |
Zeg9 |
by linux I ment a real linux distro... |
| 23:34 |
jojoa1997_ |
if i have enough space could i run minetest on my tablet like on a regular pc i have a wireless keyboard and mouse |
| 23:35 |
Exio |
LunaVorax: remove the GNU part, the entire user space uses some weird libc and the tools are messed up |
| 23:35 |
Zeg9 |
or some sort of X yeah |
| 23:39 |
Exio |
btw, anyone here tried to install debian or some distro in android? |
| 23:39 |
Exio |
in android phones* :P |
| 23:40 |
iqualfragile |
dont kill me but i have heared that ubuntu works |
| 23:40 |
youlysses |
TMK the default distrubiton of android, above the kernel ... there's little to know GNU. It's all ran in JVM. :-L |
| 23:40 |
VanessaE |
iqualfragile: fitting given the DE model ubuntu pushes these days |
| 23:40 |
VanessaE |
e.g. "smartphone" metaphor. |
| 23:41 |
Exio |
iqualfragile: native or using chroot? |
| 23:41 |
jojoa1997_ |
People need to get android tablets. Mine has 16 gb and is soooooooooooooooooo cool. |
| 23:41 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997_: got an extra $100 lying around? :-) |
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| 23:42 |
youlysses |
jojoa1997_: Android tablets are real "meh" compared running one with a full GNU-based distrobution, imo. |
| 23:42 |
jojoa1997_ |
What is GNU |
| 23:42 |
VanessaE |
GNU's Not Unix. |
| 23:42 |
* VanessaE |
ducks and runs |
| 23:42 |
iqualfragile |
@devs: something about opengl seems badly unoptimized, comparing the size of the landscape i can view at a given framerate in minetest versus minecraft |
| 23:43 |
Exio |
i want the nokia n900 back |
| 23:43 |
youlysses |
jojoa1997_: What most people mistakenly refer to as "Linux" when they're not refering to thu kernel. :-/ |
| 23:43 |
VanessaE |
oh here we go again |
| 23:44 |
Exio |
wut |
| 23:44 |
jojoa1997_ |
kernel? |
| 23:44 |
youlysses |
*the |
| 23:44 |
youlysses |
jojoa1997_: Trolling, or really just ignorant on the topic? |
| 23:44 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997_: the primary component of an operating system that handles all of the communication between devices such as video, keyboard, mouse, etc and gives your software a platform to run on |
| 23:44 |
jojoa1997_ |
ignorant |
| 23:44 |
iqualfragile |
youlysses: jojoa1997 _1997_ |
| 23:44 |
jojoa1997_ |
oh thanks |
| 23:45 |
iqualfragile |
~= 14 |
| 23:45 |
Exio |
iqualfragile: and? |
| 23:45 |
Exio |
it doesn't mean anything, really |
| 23:45 |
jojoa1997_ |
take a look at this https://www.khanacademy.org/science/cosmology-and-astronomy/v/big-bang-introduction |
| 23:45 |
youlysses |
iqualfragile: OH... true. Hell though, (s)he has internet access. That's about when I switched over to gnu-based system. :-P |
| 23:45 |
iqualfragile |
Exio: but putting ones age into ones username does :D |
| 23:46 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997_: when a piece of software wants to read the keyboard, it sends a command to the kernel asking it for keyboard access. the kernel mediates that access, passing data back and forth between the program and the driver and/or hardware. |
| 23:46 |
jojoa1997_ |
my mind is the big bang ;) |
| 23:46 |
Exio |
hahaha |
| 23:46 |
iqualfragile |
youlysses: hmm… yeah, it was about that time i decided against social chitchat and for computers |
| 23:47 |
VanessaE |
(that's the simplified version of course) |
| 23:47 |
jojoa1997_ |
so the kernal is like a train station input goes in and output goes out just to come back again with different stuff |
| 23:47 |
iqualfragile |
jojoa1997_: yeah |
| 23:47 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997_: something like that |
| 23:47 |
jojoa1997_ |
http://www.google.com/search?q=lightbulb&hl=en&client=tablet-android-asus-nexus&tbo=d&rlz=1Y3NDUG_enUS504US504&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=nozbUIKoDpSx0AHD4IGIBg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=961&bih=553#biv=i|12;d|LEYw3Sc6i-KxQM: |
| 23:48 |
jojoa1997_ |
sorry for such a long link |
| 23:48 |
Exio |
http://www.google.com/search?q=tablet-android-asus-nexus works too |
| 23:48 |
Exio |
:P |
| 23:48 |
PilzAdam |
ixquick.com works too |
| 23:48 |
VanessaE |
you know, it's pretty sad when google doesn't automatically shorten its links using its own goo.gl URL shortener :-) |
| 23:48 |
youlysses |
jojoa1997_: It's an exteremely important component, but if you're wanting a full &/ working "unix-like" operating system... it's not even close to the minimum. |
| 23:49 |
Exio |
lol PilzAdam |
| 23:49 |
* PilzAdam |
is kinda bored |
| 23:49 |
davidpace |
jojoa I don't get what your point is on my topic on the forums |
| 23:49 |
Exio |
PilzAdam: accept my pull request! |
| 23:49 |
iqualfragile |
https://duckduckgo.com is quite cool |
| 23:49 |
moltenbot |
iqualfragile's link: DuckDuckGo |
| 23:49 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: and mine! |
| 23:49 |
jojoa1997_ |
link please |
| 23:49 |
Exio |
hahaha |
| 23:49 |
VanessaE |
there, that takes care of ~2 minutes of time :-) |
| 23:50 |
leo_rockway |
http://tekk.com.ar/seeks o.o |
| 23:50 |
iqualfragile |
PilzAdam: create a mod wich allows one to go into pvp mode to fight others wich are in pvp mode (carefull, you may not switch modes after beeing hit for ~1 minute) |
| 23:50 |
PilzAdam |
Exio, this 3 commits shout for a rebase |
| 23:51 |
jojoa1997_ |
davidspace: this one http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4215 |
| 23:51 |
moltenbot |
jojoa1997_'s link: Would you play on a server like this? (Page 1) - General Discussion - Minetest Forums |
| 23:51 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, forum poll? |
| 23:51 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: none needed - I already got opinions from the detractors of the original poll. |
| 23:51 |
PilzAdam |
iqualfragile, maybe Im too tired right now, but I think this is not possible |
| 23:51 |
VanessaE |
those who I talked to were in agreement with my fix. |
| 23:51 |
Exio |
PilzAdam: hehe, ok |
| 23:52 |
PilzAdam |
Exio, and please dont open a new pull request like VanessaE does |
| 23:52 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: from roughly here: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=59129#p59129 |
| 23:53 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: ok ok, we get it. my git skills are FAIL. :-) |
| 23:53 |
Exio |
poor VanessaE :P |
| 23:53 |
PilzAdam |
iqualfragile, maybe save the health of the player that disables it and restore it every serverstep |
| 23:53 |
PilzAdam |
but this would be *really* hacky |
| 23:54 |
Zeg9 |
bye, going to sleep now :) |
| 23:54 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, Im not very happy with this change |
| 23:54 |
PilzAdam |
the map would be inconsistent in its use of mese |
| 23:54 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: neither am I. but it solves everyone's problem. |
| 23:54 |
PilzAdam |
bye Zeg9 |
| 23:54 |
VanessaE |
it's either this or everyone continues to bitch about it. |
| 23:54 |
PilzAdam |
not everyone |
| 23:55 |
PilzAdam |
the majority of people voted for crystals |
| 23:55 |
PilzAdam |
and this implies to override the existing world |
| 23:55 |
Exio |
night Zeg9 |
| 23:55 |
Zeg9 |
About that pvp thing, what about immortal armor group thing? |
| 23:56 |
PilzAdam |
how does this handle falling damage? |
| 23:56 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: see that link I posted and also http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4191 |
| 23:56 |
PilzAdam |
seems to be a great idea |
| 23:56 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, Jeija's mod solves everyones problems! |
| 23:56 |
PilzAdam |
if you dont like crystals just install it |
| 23:57 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: everyone still complains about needing his mod. |
| 23:57 |
VanessaE |
we were wrong in trying to push this through so abruptly. It should have allowed for a gradual phase-out of the old stuff. |
| 23:57 |
VanessaE |
my fix addresses that. |
| 23:57 |
PilzAdam |
s/everyone/some people |
| 23:57 |
jojoa1997_ |
the crystals mod? |
| 23:57 |
jojoa1997_ |
mese crystals |
| 23:58 |
iqualfragile |
nah, i like the new mese |
| 23:58 |
jojoa1997_ |
i like the new mese also give more functionality |
| 23:58 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, see? |
| 23:58 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: and the old stuff is compatible with the new recipes by way of a reversible craft of two old mese to two crystals. |
| 23:59 |
PilzAdam |
currently we craft a crystal with a stone |
| 23:59 |
VanessaE |
I changed that. |
| 23:59 |
jojoa1997_ |
no we craft a stone with crystals |
| 23:59 |
PilzAdam |
s/currently/in current git/ |
| 23:59 |
jojoa1997_ |
oh |
| 23:59 |
VanessaE |
0gb_us pointed out, where does the stone go when you craft old mese? |
