Time Nick Message 00:09 STHGOM bye 00:12 OldCoder Hey 00:23 Jakssoul 'Ello everybody. I'm back. 00:27 kaeza just my 2 cents: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=59225#p59225 00:27 moltenbot kaeza's link: [Poll] Respected Community Members (Page 2) - General Discussion - Minetest Forums 00:27 kaeza VanessaE, OldCoder ^ 00:27 OldCoder Hey! 00:27 OldCoder R 00:28 OldCoder kaeza, Why, thank you; very kind of you 00:28 kaeza np OC 00:29 Jakssoul :( I voted for all three of you guys. 00:29 Jakssoul xD 00:29 kaeza just felt I should mention that 00:31 Jakssoul kaeza, you're very worthy of praise as well. 00:32 kaeza why thank you! 00:32 kaeza I just try to help 00:32 kaeza I'm a bit of jerk sometimes, I'm afraid 00:33 Jakssoul I've got to say, the Minetest community in general are some of the best people I've met in my short time alive. 00:33 Jakssoul Definitely the best single group of individuals online. 00:36 VanessaE kaeza: nice 00:36 Jakssoul Do people just hop on IRC channels and not participate in any kind of conversation often? 00:36 VanessaE this topic is kind ripe for...friction, but this is nice. 00:37 VanessaE Jakssoul: sometimes - but a lot of people you see here are idle accounts, where the user isn't actually there 00:37 VanessaE and most IRC clients auto-rejoin after a network hiccup 00:37 Jakssoul Oh, okay. 00:37 Jakssoul What's "ripe for friction"? 00:37 kaeza VanessaE: let's troll! I'll just make a line made up of all the names in the list :) 00:37 VanessaE meaning ther....what kaeza said. 00:37 kaeza PING for everyone! 00:38 Exio hey! 00:38 Jakssoul I'll kill you. xD 00:38 Exio i'm a nice idler anyway 00:38 Jakssoul I will punish you with BRIMSTONE AND LIMESTONE! 00:38 VanessaE "lol 00:38 kaeza Vanessa E, E xio, e cube, ... 00:38 Jakssoul :D 00:38 Exio haha 00:39 kaeza trollolol 00:39 Jakssoul You better praise the almighty toe fungus. Or else. (Limestone.) :D:D:D 00:41 Jakssoul OldCoder, a question? 00:41 OldCoder This is just for fun: 00:42 OldCoder http://oldcoder.org/test/121225_xmasfriends.jpg 00:42 OldCoder Jakssoul, Go on 00:42 Jakssoul Why do some of the members of this community have such an issue with you? 00:42 OldCoder Jakssoul, PM please 00:42 OldCoder I'll be happy to talk 00:42 Jakssoul I apologize. 00:42 OldCoder No need for sorry; just PM and we'll talk 00:43 kaeza OldCoder: nice! 00:44 kaeza I'll post it on my blog if you don't mind OldCoder 00:54 OldCoder kaeza, Sure! 00:54 OldCoder Christmas Friends 00:54 kaeza thx OC 00:58 iqualfragile !ping minetest.net 00:58 moltenbot 64 bytes from 5.9.130.165: icmp_req=1 ttl=56 time=9.24 ms 00:58 iqualfragile ah, great 00:58 mrdragons !ping fbi.gov 00:58 moltenbot 64 bytes from 72.21.81.85: icmp_req=1 ttl=55 time=81.4 ms 00:58 iqualfragile fu mrdragons 00:58 mrdragons :P 01:01 iqualfragile sfan5|OFF: notice: riding is not dificult to implement anymore 01:03 Jakssoul Who here is taller than 5'10"? 01:04 iqualfragile if you convert that to a sane unit you might get answers 01:04 Jakssoul Excuse me? 01:04 Jakssoul Oh. 01:04 Jakssoul Metric? 01:05 iqualfragile jup 01:05 Jakssoul Forgot, few people here live in the US. Yeah, we have idiotic measurements... 01:05 Jakssoul 1.7 meters? 01:05 JesseH I am 5 10 01:06 Jakssoul Alrighty. 01:06 iqualfragile VanessaE: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=59231#p59231 can you add a hint to the first post? casimir more or less continues the mod, so that might be apropriate 01:06 moltenbot iqualfragile's link: [Mod] Drowning [drowning] (Page 3) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums 01:08 iqualfragile who was 313hummer again? 01:09 VanessaE iqualfragile: done. 01:09 iqualfragile thanks 01:16 iqualfragile i think its jordan4ibanez 01:16 iqualfragile but im not entirely shure 01:25 kaeza Yay! mesecons website is now ad-free! 01:25 VanessaE yep 01:25 kaeza Jeija: +100000 01:33 VanessaE hey hey neko 01:35 sapier1 can someone tell me what file format .x is ? 01:36 VanessaE no clue 01:36 kaeza hi NekoGloop :3 01:36 VanessaE some MS format isn't it? 01:37 kaeza sapier1: it's a DirectX model format 01:37 sapier1 ok so i assume only win32 blender is able to export to this format? 01:38 VanessaE I would think any OS build of blender would work? 01:38 OldCoder Sure 01:38 OldCoder Should 01:38 kaeza sapier1: any blender can export it 01:38 OldCoder Have not checked 01:40 kaeza sapier1: if you are looking for tech info, https://www.google.com.uy/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmsdn.microsoft.com%2Fen-us%2Flibrary%2Fwindows%2Fdesktop%2Fbb173014(v%3Dvs.85).aspx&ei=ClXaUKK9NZTm8wSE-YHoCw&usg=AFQjCNHon3NevaHqwBcTV4JFx93OYviDDw&bvm=bv.1355534169,d.eWU 01:40 sapier1 I've got blender 2.62 and can export to : motion capture, stanford, stl, 3d studio, autodesk, wavefront and x3d extensible 3d 01:40 kaeza ... 01:40 kaeza this one instead: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/bb173014(v=vs.85).aspx 01:41 sapier1 so minetests current prefered mesh format is only available on windows ?? 01:41 kaeza sapier1: no 01:41 kaeza it's cross platform 01:41 kaeza since it is a plain text format 01:42 sapier1 I'll try if x3d is same as x 01:42 VanessaE it is not. 01:42 VanessaE x3d = xml :-) 01:42 FreeFull svg = xml 01:42 sapier1 then you can't use blender to create an .x file on linux 01:42 kaeza xml = xml :P 01:43 kaeza sapier1: what you have to do is use the .blend file format for your work 01:43 kaeza and export to .x when you are ready 01:44 kaeza it's the same as working with pics 01:44 sapier1 kaeza thats the problem ... blender doesn't support exporting to .x on linux 01:44 kaeza you use PNG/BMP/other raster format here 01:44 sapier1 at least not 2.63 01:44 kaeza sapier1: it does on mine 01:44 kaeza oh 01:44 sapier1 do you have linux or windows? 01:44 kaeza I have 2.62 01:44 kaeza Ubuntu 12.04 01:44 VanessaE maybe it requires a plugin? 01:44 sapier1 funny 01:45 sapier1 I didn't expect export formats to be dropped in newer versions 01:45 VanessaE sapier1: http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Extensions:2.6/Py/Scripts/Import-Export/DirectX_Exporter 01:45 kaeza you beat me to it 01:45 kaeza :D 01:45 VanessaE ninja'd :-) 01:46 sapier1 thanks vanessae 01:46 VanessaE sapier1: hope that helps 01:46 kaeza http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Extensions:2.6/Py/Scripts/Import-Export/DirectX_Exporter 01:46 moltenbot kaeza's link: Extensions:2.6/Py/Scripts/Import-Export/DirectX Exporter - BlenderWiki 01:46 kaeza that's better :P 01:46 * VanessaE puts a kitten on NekoGloop's head 01:47 * NekoGloop punts it at OldCoder 01:47 iqualfragile kaeza: ubuntu is not linux, its just a reskinned windows vista, everybody knows that 01:47 kaeza lol true iqualfragile 01:47 VanessaE haha 01:47 NekoGloop so that's why it doesnt boot 01:47 sapier1 I've dropped ubuntu as of 12.10 ... I just couldn't get it running on my system 01:48 kaeza Unity surely suxx 01:48 kaeza I prefer something more lightweight 01:48 sapier1 I didn't even get it running in kde or gnome 01:48 NekoGloop *nix doesnt work, in general. 01:48 kaeza sapier1: you should try the ROX desktp 01:48 kaeza top* 01:48 iqualfragile http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4182 what you you think about that idea? i think ist a good idea because people dislike replanting trees and so they are killing the forrests, but it should not change all the saplings into nodes but just 1-3 per tree (one would have to calculate a bit to get a propability for one single leaf) 01:49 moltenbot iqualfragile's link: [Mod] Self-planting saplings [autoplant] (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums 01:49 sapier1 12.10 has severe mouse cursor issues with tripple screen/dual graphics card setups 01:49 NekoGloop iqualfragile: It is bad and you should feel bad. 01:49 kaeza iqualfragile: bad idea 01:49 iqualfragile kaeza: then should should try the BASH desktop 01:49 kaeza sowwy 01:50 iqualfragile thanks for your constructive feedback :D 01:50 VanessaE iqualfragile: no real opinion on that. 01:50 kaeza iqualfragile: the problem is that you cut down a tree and KABOOM! instant forest! 01:50 NekoGloop You should try DOS, it's this brand new OS, guarenteed to run on any computer 01:51 kaeza NekoGloop: I use DOS 5.0 01:51 iqualfragile VanessaE: well, lets see: im gona add it to my server, play around with it and then im gona tell you if you should like it or not 01:51 VanessaE iqualfragile: haha ok :-) 01:51 iqualfragile kaeza: use 'reading' drop 1-3 per tree 01:51 NekoGloop ... May i say something? 01:51 FreeFull NekoGloop: Won't run on a raspberry pi, will it? 01:51 kaeza iqualfragile: and what happens if you have the bad luck to have two saplings in the same (X/Z) 01:52 kaeza NekoGloop: sure 01:52 NekoGloop FreeFull: Nothing runs on a raspberry pi 01:52 NekoGloop And i say: hi. 01:52 FreeFull NekoGloop: Linux does 01:52 NekoGloop *nix is bad and you should feel bad 01:53 VanessaE *nix Is Your Friend (tm) 01:53 FreeFull Why should I feel bad 01:53 FreeFull Why is it bad 01:53 FreeFull What should I use instead 01:53 kaeza VanessaE: UIYF? new BBS term? 01:53 kaeza lol 01:53 VanessaE he 01:53 VanessaE heh 01:53 NekoGloop use DOS, duh 01:53 FreeFull DOS doesn't do most things I want 01:54 VanessaE there, stupid compose key got un-defined. 01:54 kaeza FreeFull: but plain DOS is a hell of a system for graphics programming 01:54 kaeza or in general to access HW directly 01:55 kaeza no layers in-between, it's just the program and the hardware 01:55 kaeza (in real mode at least) 01:55 FreeFull kaeza: You can do that with an ARM board too 01:55 FreeFull Everything done by writing to memory 01:55 FreeFull kaeza: http://io.smashthestack.org:84/arm/ 01:56 * OldCoder blinks and catches it just in time 01:57 kaeza FreeFull: amazing! 01:57 FreeFull Once you set up the graphics chip, you just write to whatever you set as the framebuffer 01:58 FreeFull kaeza: It's much faster than mode 13h too ;) 01:58 * kaeza misses the good old DOS days 01:59 FreeFull Yeah, in the DOS days, the BIOS did a lot for you 01:59 FreeFull The initialisation code isn't toooo long 01:59 FreeFull http://io.smashthestack.org:84/arm/freefull_02.asm See the source for my entry 02:00 FreeFull I set my framebuffer at 0x60020000 02:04 iqualfragile sapier1: will your mobs spawn on wool? 02:04 sapier1 on wool? 02:05 NakedFury why would they? 02:06 iqualfragile yeah, on wool 02:06 NakedFury a wool bug? 02:06 kaeza back 02:06 sapier1 if you create a spawn algorithm to make them spawn on wool they will but none of the algorithmes in default mobf package will do 02:06 kaeza FreeFull: interesting program 02:08 iqualfragile sapier1: that answered my question, thanks 02:09 sokomine which mob would like to spawn on wool? insects that eat the wool? 02:11 sokomine i still think that the mobs don't need that much intelligence. they have to be fast enough to be usable. if a mob drops down and would die...well...heal it and place it somewhere else after detecting its state (if that helps). players may find that funny, but it doesn't matter in the end 02:12 Jakssoul I'm back, you guys can all stop freaking out now. It'll be okay now. 02:12 Jakssoul xD 02:13 kaeza lol 02:13 kaeza wb Jakssoul 02:13 Jakssoul Como estas, kaeza? 02:13 kaeza Bien y vos Jakssoul? 02:13 kaeza XD 02:14 Jakssoul Vos? Uruguay must be much different than Mexican spanish. 02:14 kaeza oh right 02:14 sapier1 @sokomine most of computing power is used for spawn algorithms if you disable them mobf is using next to no cpu power (except of movement/collision handling itself, but thats done in core) 02:14 kaeza you use "Tú" 02:14 Jakssoul Right, right. 02:14 Jakssoul Well, Mexicans. 02:15 Jakssoul Soy American. 02:15 Jakssoul Asi, yo toco la clase de Espanol en escuela secondario. 02:15 kaeza O.o 02:15 Jakssoul Toce* 02:15 Jakssoul Que? 02:15 kaeza EspaÑol 02:16 Jakssoul What? You're upset because I didn't use the "Chicka"? 02:16 Jakssoul Hahaha. 02:16 kaeza lol 02:16 kaeza j/K 02:16 Jakssoul No lo tengo. 02:16 Jakssoul En mi teclado. 02:16 kaeza "Sí, yo tomé la clase de Español en la secundaria" 02:16 sokomine sapier: yes, i noticed. with the spawn at mapgen it runs very well on my computer. so...spawning "dropped" animals again might not be a solution 02:17 kaeza lol 02:17 sokomine hm :-) we might as well start speaking german. that would cover some people :-) 02:17 Jakssoul Yo no sabía que usted habla español tanto diferente. 02:17 kaeza tan* 02:17 sokomine but i don't know spanish (or which language is it?) 02:18 kaeza no tanto 02:18 Jakssoul Spanish, yes. 02:18 Jakssoul Quiero aprender Latin. 02:18 kaeza ah well, I suck at spanish anyway 02:18 kaeza and I speak natively :P 02:18 sokomine latin's even worse :-) though it's fun to try to guess what a latin phrase might mean 02:19 Jakssoul Volo discere Latin. Videre? Hoc est Latina. 02:19 kaeza Google Translate Win! 02:19 Jakssoul YES! 02:19 kaeza :P 02:19 Jakssoul That's what I used. xD 02:19 Jakssoul Not for Spanish, just the Latin. 02:19 sokomine tss :-) don't cheat :-) 02:20 Jakssoul No tenemos clase de Latin en mi escuela! 02:20 kaeza who uses latin anyway 02:21 Jakssoul I want to! 02:21 Jakssoul The Romans did. 02:21 kaeza I'd prefer to learn Italian, French, of even Japanese 02:21 Jakssoul The greatest civilization (Other than the Americans. ;) [Sarcasm]) ever! 02:21 Jakssoul Italian is rather nice. I'm a pureblooded Italian. 02:22 mrdragons Are you in the mafia? >.> 02:22 sokomine iirc there is a small spot in swiss where they still speak some kind of latin 02:22 Jakssoul My dad is. 02:22 Jakssoul Legitimately. Chicago Mafia. Serving time right now, because he's a peon. 02:22 Jakssoul Complete idiot... 02:22 mrdragons Oh 02:23 kaeza why do you stereotype all italians as being part of the mafia? everyone knows they are good for Pizza! XD 02:23 Jakssoul Pizza.. 02:23 Jakssoul No. You ass hat! 02:24 Jakssoul Rigatoni. 02:24 Jakssoul Yes. 02:24 Jakssoul :D 02:25 Jakssoul Well, Pizza, and being home to some of this worlds greatest Geniuses. *Cough* Leonardo da Vinci. *Cough*. 02:25 Jakssoul Who actually spent most of his life in France... Traitor. xD 02:27 kaeza well, in a plane there are three men, an italian, a french, and an Uruguayan. The Italian says "we are over Italia"; "how do you know?", "Because I see the Leaning tower of Pisa". Then the french says "We are in France"; "how do you know?", "because I see the Eiffel Tower". Then the uruguayan says "We are over Uruguay"; "how do you know?", because they already stole my watch" XD 02:28 sokomine you're making me hungry.... 02:28 kaeza 02:28 Jakssoul YES! 02:29 Jakssoul That was a pretty good one, actually. 02:29 Jakssoul Have you heard of the Italian man who went to Malta? 02:29 kaeza nope 02:29 Jakssoul Youtube. 02:29 Jakssoul Right now, buddy. You'll laugh your ass off. 02:29 kaeza ... 02:30 Jakssoul Sorry, I was kidding about the order. 02:30 Jakssoul But it's very humorous. 02:30 kaeza ummm... lol? 02:30 Jakssoul What? 02:38 LandMineOG Wassssup 02:38 Jakssoul Hey, how're you doing? 02:38 LandMineOG Oldcoder how are u doing? 02:38 LandMineOG Fine jakssoul thanks 02:38 Jakssoul That's always good. 02:40 OldCoder lahwran, Hi 02:40 OldCoder Oops 02:40 OldCoder LandMineOG, Hi 02:41 LandMineOG Hi oldcoder what u been up too? 02:41 OldCoder Coding ATM 02:41 OldCoder For a friend who needs a favor 02:41 LandMineOG Ohh nice...may I ask the purpose of the application? 02:42 kaeza hi LandMineOG 02:42 OldCoder It is statistics I think 02:42 Jakssoul I'm now looking into making a mod for Minetest. Me being the perfectionist I am when it comes to software.. well.. it will never be completed. 02:43 LandMineOG Hi kaeza how is ur day? 02:43 kaeza fine LandMineOG, and yours? 02:44 NakedFury Jakssoul: start simple enough to satisfy your perfectionism 02:44 NakedFury 1 block 02:44 NakedFury then expand to 2, repeat and then make complex systems 02:45 Jakssoul That's probably a fantastic idea. I was about to make something crazy. 02:45 Jakssoul I'll be back in a few minutes after reading the guide. 02:45 iqualfragile Jakssoul: what were you about to make 02:45 iqualfragile -.- 02:45 LandMineOG Excelent kaeza 02:45 kaeza good 02:45 iqualfragile why does that keep happening to me? 02:47 NakedFury what keeps happening? 02:53 OldCoder NakedFury, He spoke to somebody who had just left 02:55 Kacey hallo 02:56 NakedFury hey 02:56 LandMineOG Its spelled hello kacey 02:56 LandMineOG Use proper grammar thanks 02:57 VanessaE German spelling of "hello", LandMineOG. 02:57 Kacey hallo is german dumbass 02:57 VanessaE and spelling != grammar. 02:58 FreeFull Actually, spelling is part of grammar 02:58 FreeFull Not the whole thing, just a part 02:59 VanessaE you can have piss-poor spelling without trashing your grammar, as long as your misspellings don't result in valid, but out-of-context wording. 02:59 LandMineOG Wow vanessae u get more man with me all the time 03:00 VanessaE eh? 03:00 LandMineOG Its christmas give me a break gosh 03:00 LandMineOG More mean******* 03:00 VanessaE LandMineOG: translation: grammar nazi FAIL. 03:01 OldCoder Jakssoul, wb 03:01 LandMineOG Vanessae u know english isn't my native language 03:01 Jakssoul Sorry, had to help a kid with his new Christmas present. Some foster kid that's here. 03:02 VanessaE That does it. I'm gonna have to give you an "F". 03:02 Jakssoul He got a $250 3DS game system.. >_> 03:02 * VanessaE writes a big, red "F" on LandMineOG's hat 03:02 LandMineOG Don't put me on the spot 03:02 * LandMineOG is sad 03:02 Jakssoul Have you guys seen the Augmented Reality those things have!? 03:02 Jakssoul IT'S AMAZING! Like, mind-blowingly amazing. 03:03 VanessaE Jakssoul: not yet. in fact I haven't even *seen* a 3DS in operation at all. 03:03 Jakssoul I pretty much despise Nintendo products, but WOW. 03:03 Jakssoul Yeah. They're... eh. But I'm just saying for the AR technology. 03:03 Jakssoul Mind blowing. 03:04 LandMineOG Oldcoder...vanessae is being a bully....she is making fun of my grammar 03:05 Jakssoul You might deserve it. 03:05 Jakssoul (Kidding.) 03:05 VanessaE "So these people have the cake AND eat it too AND the cake is a lie." <-- there is so much wrong with that sentence that I don't even know where to start. :-) 03:05 VanessaE (closing sentence on a post on slashdot regarding people buying tablets instead of more PCs etc) 03:05 Jakssoul The cake is a lie! 03:06 Jakssoul Would it make me seem gay to wear shin high Batman socks? XD My Fiance got me them for Christmas. (In case you were wondering, I am Batman.) 03:07 kaeza haven't played portal yet :/ 03:07 OldCoder LandMineOG, making fun? No... Too rigid probably 03:07 Jakssoul I just heard about it in Game Informer. Portal was.... not my slice of.. wait for it... CAKE! XD 03:07 Kacey you cant be batman I AM BATMAN!!!!! 03:07 VanessaE Jakssoul: I see no reason to avoid them. 03:07 Jakssoul You are NOT Batman!!!!! 03:07 Jakssoul Yo soy Batman. 03:07 Jakssoul Me llamo Batman. 03:07 OldCoder Jakssoul, Fiance? 03:07 Jakssoul There. I just said it in Spanish in two different ways. 03:07 VanessaE you're a llama bat man? :-) 03:07 Kacey estoy batman 03:07 Jakssoul Yes sir, OldCoder. 03:08 OldCoder I C 03:08 Jakssoul So you are only Batman for a temporary span of time? 03:08 Jakssoul Why, OldCoder? 03:08 OldCoder Jakssoul, you are relatively young 03:08 Kacey until i take off my suit 03:08 OldCoder Serious about marriage? 03:09 Jakssoul Absolutely. I'm going to be 18 in a few days here? 03:09 OldCoder Yes 03:09 Jakssoul I've been with this girl for almost three years. 03:09 OldCoder All right 03:09 kaeza wow 18? 03:09 Jakssoul She's the only thing that's kept me going. 03:09 OldCoder O.K. 03:09 Jakssoul Yeah, why, kaeza? 03:09 LandMineOG Jakssoul are u getting married because u got her pregnant right? 03:09 kaeza nothing :) 03:09 Jakssoul NO! Hahaha. 03:09 kaeza thought you were older 03:09 kaeza touché from LandMineOG 03:10 Jakssoul She is not at all pregnant. I hope! xD (She's not.) 03:10 LandMineOG I like u jakssoul...u have a sense of humor 03:10 Jakssoul Well thanks. You actually got me to laugh out loud. Maybe in nervousness, but still. 03:10 Kacey humor? 03:10 Kacey nobody has seen my humor 03:10 Jakssoul kaeza, proper grammar can give the appearance of maturity online it seems. 03:11 Jakssoul So if MT runs off of these LUA scripts, then what does MC run off of? 03:11 kaeza lol u r gay 03:11 VanessaE Jakssoul: Java 03:11 kaeza now I sound like a COD player :P 03:11 tjbarber except when it comes to capitalization, Jakssoul. ;) 03:11 Jakssoul Hahahaah! No kidding. I could never stand Call of Duty online. 03:11 Jakssoul What do you mean, tjbarber? 03:12 iqualfragile calpitaliwhat? 03:12 Kacey Jakssoul: notch's farts and drugs 03:12 Jakssoul HAHAHA! I just absolutely died of laughter. Oh my. 03:12 VanessaE capitalization need not get too much attention, except for the word "I"... that one's just irritating to see written wrong :-) 03:12 tjbarber Jakssoul, a lot of activity in IRC channels doesn't start with capitalization for some reason 03:12 Jakssoul I didn't capitalize kaeza's name because he does not capitalize it himself. 03:12 tjbarber LOL yes VanessaE =P 03:12 VanessaE one bloody letter and people can't even bother with that much :-) 03:12 Jakssoul Ohhhh! Got it. 03:12 kaeza VanessaE: i think the same 03:12 kaeza lol u mad? 03:12 Kacey really? because i neverr capitalize i 03:13 Jakssoul I Used To Always Type Like This. 03:13 tjbarber meh 03:13 Jakssoul So Be Very Thankful I No Longer Do. 03:13 tjbarber lol Jakssoul 03:13 tjbarber everything's a movie. 03:13 Jakssoul I got SO much crap for it years ago. 03:13 Jakssoul I just stopped two or three years ago. 03:13 iqualfragile my client automaticly captializes names when i use tab to autocomplete then 03:13 kaeza AND DON'T BE ANNOYING AND WRITE LIKE THIS EITHER 03:14 Jakssoul I didn't even realize I could tab to autocomplete names. :( 03:14 tjbarber Jakssoul, why would you ever want to hit the shift key for the beginning of very word? xD 03:14 VanessaE kaeza: that does it. I'm giving you an "F"! 03:14 Jakssoul Thanks for letting me know, iqualfragile! 03:14 * VanessaE writes a big, red "F" on kaeza's hat. 03:14 Jakssoul I don't know, tjbarber, just did! 03:14 * Kacey wants an "F" 03:14 Jakssoul VanessaE, how do I do that... "action" thing? 03:14 tjbarber oh gosh kaeza, that looks like one of those emails that grandmothers send to everyone in their contacts 03:14 Jakssoul THAT! How do I do it? 03:14 Kacey do /me 03:14 VanessaE Jakssoul: /me does something 03:14 * Jakssoul Eats lots of lies. 03:14 * VanessaE does something 03:15 Jakssoul Yay! 03:15 * kaeza adds VanessaE's "F" to his collection. he surely sucks at english 03:15 Jakssoul I've been wondering that for a while. Thanks, Kacey and VanessaE. 03:15 * Kacey really wants that "F" 03:15 * Jakssoul Gives Kacey an "F". 03:15 tjbarber on Textual there is /slap 03:16 * tjbarber slaps Jakssoul around a bit with a large trout 03:16 Jakssoul Mine probably isn't good enough. 03:16 VanessaE jeez, did no one here ever watch Animaniacs? 03:16 kaeza fck Pidgin: /slap: unknown command 03:16 tjbarber lol Animaniacs XD 03:16 * Kacey eats the "F" 03:16 * Jakssoul stares in horror. 03:16 Kacey mmmmmm fudge 03:16 Jakssoul NOOOO! That "F" was made with L0v3! 03:16 kaeza heeeelloooooo NURSE! 03:16 Kacey i am the 1337 03:17 tjbarber ಠ_ಠ wut 03:17 Jakssoul 66, 4 26 743 5337. 03:17 kaeza Kacey: no u r a n008 03:17 Jakssoul I use T9 code, nobody ever figures it out. ;) 03:17 kaeza 0 3 0 3 456 03:17 * kaeza is singing 03:17 Kacey n008? n008? n000000000000000000!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 03:17 Jakssoul Usually I don't tell people I'm using T9 code... so yeah. xD 03:18 Jakssoul 0 3 0 3 456 = Nothing. 03:18 kaeza Jakssoul: that's prone to "lol autocorrect"! 03:18 Jakssoul 9428? 03:18 Jakssoul 4 366'8 438 48? 03:20 kaeza C;D;)f; 03:20 kaeza ^_^ 03:20 LandMineOG So what did santa bring u guys? 03:20 Jakssoul Santa brought me nothing. 03:20 LandMineOG Besides aids kaeza 03:20 Jakssoul So, yeah. I have a fantastic way of ruining the mood. :( 03:21 * Jakssoul Goes and sits in a corner to cry. 03:21 Jakssoul Bahahah. 03:21 kaeza well, santa gave me an empty box 03:22 Jakssoul I didn't even get an empty box! 03:22 * Jakssoul Cries more. 03:22 Kacey EMPTY BOX!!!!!!!! im jealous 03:22 kaeza so I could pack my stuff and GTFO my parents' house :D 03:22 * Jakssoul is going to be right back. 03:22 Kacey all i got was 12 months of xbox live gold... 03:24 TorpedoSkyline oi 03:24 TorpedoSkyline ok, this is tjbarber but under hacker guise ;P 03:24 NakedFury some lego architecture editions and an android tablet 03:25 Jakssoul Kacey, I got a pair of socks. 03:25 Jakssoul From my Fiance. Oh, and a Batman shirt. From her as well 03:25 Jakssoul That was my Christmas. I don't wanna hear it. xD 03:25 kaeza A pair of sneakers and a bottle of whiskey for me 03:25 VanessaE my Christmas was the same as every year - a movie and chinese food :-) 03:25 Jakssoul I don't drink, so.. Glad I didn't get any whiskey? xD 03:26 Jakssoul Movie and Chinese. Very, very nice. 03:27 Kacey my christmas was sleeping 03:27 VanessaE good way to spend it 03:27 VanessaE :) 03:27 Jakssoul Absolutely. 03:27 Kacey mostly because i was sick 03:28 Jakssoul Oh. I'm sorry. :/ 03:28 Kacey sore throat and congested chest 03:28 VanessaE oh that sucks :( 03:28 Kacey bad coughing fits 03:28 kaeza I'm glad to be of the southern hemisphere. fcking 35 degrees Celsius 03:29 Jakssoul You know, anytime I boot puppy linux, it claims my laptop is 85 degrees Celsius. Wouldn't that literally melt the plastic? 04:11 youlysses There any "big" technological inspired mods out? 04:11 NakedFury technic 04:12 NakedFury found a drowning and hunger mods too 04:13 youlysses NakedFury: I thought that was exclussively *minecraft* based? 04:14 kaeza neither hunger nor drowning worked last time I tested 04:14 NakedFury really? 04:14 NakedFury they dont have bars 04:14 kaeza hunger kept killing me after eating apples 04:14 mrdragons lol 04:14 kaeza and drowning did not do anything when underwater 04:15 NakedFury they need bars and a underwater check 04:15 kaeza I waited for like five minutes but no damage 04:16 kaeza I should test again with latest version ^_^ 04:22 VanessaE "technological" inspired? 04:22 VanessaE there's mesecons of course. 04:23 youlysses Minetest forums down again? 04:23 VanessaE crap. it would appear so. 04:26 kaeza VanessaE: yes 04:26 kaeza forums down again :/ 04:27 kaeza oh sorry 04:27 kaeza youlysses: ^ 04:29 youlysses Yeah, that's what I thought. :-P 04:34 VanessaE youlysses: there's also a few misc. electronic devices in Home Decor, but they mostly don't do anything. 04:36 Exio well, talking about that, any way to add things to 'the GUI' like bars? 04:36 VanessaE not at present. 04:37 Exio hm, that explains why hunger/drowing don't have bars :P 04:38 youlysses VanessaE: I'd like to see some game, not nesscarily minetest, that the core of the game is focused around this. Though I guessed this could be accomplished via a bundle of mods. :-P 04:40 VanessaE afaik any server that has mesecons, technic, industrial, and homedecor pretty much covers the gamut of technology in minetest right now 04:44 Exio any thing like ravines in the world gen atm? 04:44 VanessaE not explicitly, but sometimes you get them randomly. 04:44 VanessaE depending on your definition of such 04:46 Exio some big hole in the ground with a big fall between the top and the 'ground' :P 04:46 VanessaE heh 04:46 VanessaE well I see those quite often, but to me a ravine is that, but as a long channel e.g. like a canyon 04:47 Exio yeah :P 04:47 Exio btw, your texture pack is awesome, 64x version here , between 30 and 50 FPS, like using default :D 04:47 Exio and it looks a lot better 04:47 VanessaE thanks :-) 04:49 VanessaE do you have the version with the fancy splash screen? :-) 04:50 Kacey VanessaE? 04:50 VanessaE hm? 04:50 Kacey where can i see the crafting for the mese update 04:50 VanessaE which recipe? 04:50 Exio hehe, i think, i have the last git 'release' in your github :P 04:50 VanessaE there are a few different ones 04:51 VanessaE Exio: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2012172012%20-%2003:15:04%20AM.png 04:51 Kacey all of them 04:51 VanessaE Kacey: they're not listed anywhere explicitly yet. 04:51 VanessaE dig a mese crystals in stone to get a crystal, use three of those + 2 sticks to make a pick, or craft 1 by itself to get fragments, or craft 9 to get a mese block. 04:52 Kacey how about mese coins? 04:52 VanessaE mese coins is unrelated 04:52 VanessaE and the author of the mod in question decided to base it on gold insted. 04:52 VanessaE instead. 04:52 Kacey ooh wow 04:53 Kacey ok what do fragments do? 04:53 Exio ah, yeah, the fancy splash version :P 04:53 VanessaE Kacey: right now not much - ufos and peaceful_npc mods use them to craft things. 04:54 Kacey ooh ok 04:54 VanessaE Kacey: they're too new to really "do" anything yet until people start using them in crafting recipes 04:55 kaeza aaaaand minetest.net is still down :/ 04:55 VanessaE yup 04:56 kaeza celeron55 should try finding a better host 04:57 kaeza cjb.net is a good one IMHO 04:57 kaeza I don't recall if they support php 04:58 Exio something related to tools, any way to force some block "drop" anything what isn't the block itself (like making a special tool for breaking stone and getting it, or a overheat pickaxe) 04:58 Exio +? 04:58 Exio :P 04:59 VanessaE Exio: based on the particular tool? not sure. dropping a node other than what was dug, regardless of the tool, is easy 05:00 Exio hm 05:01 Exio i want the based on the tool thing 05:02 VanessaE I guess you could watch for the pointed item to appear in the inventory and exchange it for something else 05:02 VanessaE and do that only if a particular tool is wielded at the time 05:03 Exio i think it had some 'very easy way', like on_dig (return otherblock) or whatever 05:06 Exio and other very 'visual' thing, is possible to change the color of the "block hitbox" when you aim them? 05:07 kaeza lol trolling FTW! http://cheezburger.com/6866364160 05:07 moltenbot kaeza's link: Except During a Leap Year..... - Cheezburger 05:08 kaeza totally hilarious 05:18 * youlysses wishes that fedora had a more current release packaged. 05:19 youlysses ...Oh well, I won't be on it for atmost another week. :-P 05:21 Exio ff 05:21 Exio minetest segfaulted 05:21 Exio and i don't know why, the console only say seg fault :/ 05:22 kaeza Exio: debug.txt? 05:25 Exio hm 05:27 Exio i don't see any error 05:27 Exio related for that 05:28 kaeza mods installed? 05:28 Exio nope 05:28 Exio just default 05:29 Exio my debug.txt is flooded with lines like it: 05:17:01: INFO[ServerThread]: WARNING: active block modifiers took 719ms (longer than 200ms) 05:29 Exio poor netbook :P 05:29 kaeza hmm 05:30 kaeza do something for me: 05:30 kaeza delete debug.txt 05:30 Exio but, i don't know how to 'produce' the bug! hehe 05:30 kaeza start game, and when it crashes, pastebin or upload debug.txt 05:30 kaeza hmm 05:31 Exio wow, 27 MB my debug.txt 05:31 * kaeza 's debug.txt was 2GB 05:31 Exio i don't have enough space for that atm :P 05:32 kaeza Exio: maybe you don't have enough memory 05:32 kaeza or processing power 05:32 Exio intel atom n270 with 1gb (ram) 05:33 kaeza hmm, the processor is not bad, but I guess if 1GB is enuff... 05:33 Exio isn't bad? :P 05:34 kaeza Intel® Atom™ Processor N270 (512K Cache, 1.60 GHz, 533 MHz FSB) 05:39 Exio well, i will get a bulldozer soon :D 05:42 Exio going to sleep, night 05:44 kaeza night Exio 06:01 us_0gb Hello! 06:06 OldCoder Hi 06:06 VanessaE welcome, 0gb ;) 06:07 NakedFury what is the name of your light block vanessa? homedecor:? 06:08 us_0gb VanessaE, I think your server just booted me. 06:08 VanessaE homedecor:light_panel I think 06:08 VanessaE us_0gb: you timed out I think. 06:09 VanessaE NakedFury: lemme chek 06:09 VanessaE homedecor:glowlight_thick_yellow 06:09 us_0gb Great, now my window's frozen, and I'm not running from the command line this time Quick, xkill! xkill! 06:10 VanessaE or thick_white or thin_yellow or thin_white 06:10 NakedFury going to test i 06:10 NakedFury t 06:10 VanessaE there's also a wall version, and a ceiling- or floor-mounted cube in yellow and white 06:10 VanessaE us_0gb: crashola eh? :-) 06:11 us_0gb More of a freeze than a crash, I think. The window wouldn't close. 06:13 VanessaE figures.. 06:14 VanessaE my server tends to stress peoples' clients just a little ;) 06:14 us_0gb That, and my client love freezing and crashing. 06:14 us_0gb *loves 06:14 VanessaE as does mine 06:14 VanessaE no matter whose server i'm on 06:14 VanessaE I'm* 06:18 kaeza meh forums still down 06:18 kaeza o hai us_0gb 06:18 VanessaE yup :-/ 06:19 us_0gb Yeah. It came up for a little bit, then went down again. 06:19 us_0gb tAnd hello! 06:19 us_0gb I think I just hit "t" to input text .... 06:19 kaeza lol 06:19 VanessaE you did :-) 06:19 kaeza too much MT 06:19 * us_0gb slaps forhead 06:20 mrdragons lol 06:20 VanessaE at least in IRC you don't have to worry about F10 crashing your client;) 06:20 us_0gb Huh. F10 open one of my menus on IRC. 06:20 kaeza F10 is a standard hotkey for "Menu" 06:21 kaeza almost the same as pressing/releasing Alt 06:21 us_0gb I was unaware. I don't really use my F keys. 06:21 VanessaE what weird, mutates OD do you run that Alt is a meny key? ;-) 06:22 kaeza on Ubuntu, it brings up the search bar 06:22 kaeza and on Win it activates the leftmost menu 06:22 us_0gb Yeah, alt alone isn't doing anything for me. And I'm on Ubuntu. 06:22 VanessaE I use Xubuntu, which lacks such weird things :-) 06:23 us_0gb My Ubuntu lacks such weird things too. 06:24 kaeza Ubuntu 12.04 here 06:24 kaeza using Unity 06:24 us_0gb Ubuntu 12.04.1 with Gnome fallback. 06:24 VanessaE Xubuntu 12.04 here because 12.10 is a steaming pile of horse manure. :-) 06:25 us_0gb Is it? 06:25 VanessaE yep. 06:25 kaeza I wish I could install another distro 06:26 us_0gb I just decided to go with the long term support version. I guess that was a good choice, but for the wrong reason. 06:26 kaeza but with this crappy 4GB cap, downloading an ISO is a no-no 06:26 VanessaE we tried Mint 14 via a virtual machine, others have run Ubuntu itself, and all agreed that it doesn't work as well as 12.04 06:26 VanessaE kaeza: still dragging your heels on ISP upgrade? :-/ 06:26 kaeza yup 06:27 us_0gb I was using Mint 13 for a while, but haven't tried 14. 06:27 kaeza I plan to ditch this thing when things settle a bit (I'm a bit broke with all the festivities) 06:27 VanessaE kaeza: understood 06:28 VanessaE been there, done that, got the overdue bills to prove it :D 06:28 VanessaE (except we're broke for a different reason :) ) 06:29 kaeza well, if I spent less in drinks and smokes, I could easily avoid that lol 06:29 VanessaE haha 06:29 kaeza oh that's bad 06:30 VanessaE ? 06:30 kaeza been remodelling your house? 06:30 VanessaE the real one or my in-game one? 06:30 kaeza IRL 06:30 VanessaE yup 06:30 VanessaE today I tore out a flight of stairs 06:30 us_0gb Sounds like fun. 06:31 VanessaE and I've got the sore toe (hammer -> foot), hand (slipped, hit a board), and elbow (ditto) to prove it :-) 06:31 kaeza heh 06:31 us_0gb Quck! Pretend we weren't talking about Jakssoul! 06:31 Jakssoul us_0gb, Did you respond to me on the forum? I've not checked yet. 06:31 Jakssoul Hahaahah! :D 06:31 Jakssoul Skillful. 06:31 VanessaE forums are down again Jakssoul 06:31 kaeza teh forumz are down :/ 06:31 us_0gb Is the forum back up? 06:31 us_0gb What thread? 06:31 VanessaE us_0gb: nope. 06:32 Jakssoul Oh blah! :( 06:32 Jakssoul On Minetest's popularity, 06:32 kaeza It seems PilzAdam is still a favorite 06:32 Jakssoul No no no. 06:32 kaeza just onee vote ahead of VanessaE 06:32 us_0gb This is one of many reasons why we should NEVER have to log into the game using our forum accounts. 06:32 Jakssoul I mean MINETEST. Not it's people. 06:33 us_0gb Favorite of who? 06:33 VanessaE kaeza: until rubenwardy updated his tallies...then I'll probably fall to 2 behind Adam :-) 06:33 Jakssoul But you're just too awesome to lose! :p 06:33 VanessaE us_0gb: overall 06:33 Jakssoul Is he ever even on the IRC? 06:33 kaeza agreed 06:33 VanessaE sure he is 06:34 kaeza Jakssoul: mostly idle on #minetest 06:34 Jakssoul Not since I've been here. Or at the times I am at least. 06:34 Jakssoul :p 06:34 VanessaE ok guys, I'm off to bed before I fall asleep at the keys 06:34 VanessaE night :-) 06:34 Jakssoul Goodnight. 06:34 kaeza night V 06:34 us_0gb Yeah, I need to go to bed soon too. But I'm finishing this small hut too. 06:35 us_0gb tGoodnight. 06:35 * kaeza is bragging about how Pilz Adam gave him his 1000th post 06:35 * us_0gb hit "t" again .... 06:35 * Jakssoul doesn't care because he's SO cool. 06:35 kaeza lol 06:35 Jakssoul xD 06:35 kaeza us_0gb: you're playing too much Minetest 06:35 Jakssoul Not possible! 06:36 us_0gb What do you mean? No I'm not. *shifty eyes* 06:41 us_0gb I should have made my house entirely out of locked chests and steel doors. Then no one could wreck it. 06:42 kaeza us_0gb: seems like the only true antigriefing option right now 06:42 us_0gb Unless your house is made of locked chests, I'm not sure what good locked doors are in the default game. 06:42 us_0gb I do like them though. 06:43 us_0gb Don't get me wrong. 06:43 kaeza I understand you 06:44 kaeza you make your house of wood, and use a steel door 06:44 kaeza *genius* 06:44 us_0gb I know, right? 06:44 kaeza "no one will enter my house" 06:44 us_0gb On VanessaE's server, I found a house with a steel door. But everyone has fly/noclip there. 06:45 kaeza that's even worse 06:45 us_0gb Everyone can easily get past the door. 06:45 kaeza but in creative there's really no win in stealing other people's possessions 06:46 kaeza so I guess that's ok 06:46 us_0gb I've also seen locked chests full of stuff there. But it's creative mode. Why do you need to store stuff? And why does it matter if it gets stolen? 06:46 kaeza heh 06:46 kaeza the griefing is a problem though 06:47 kaeza but there's no reasonable option right now 06:47 kaeza the node_ownership mod has it's advantages 06:47 us_0gb I'm putting one locked chest in my house, just so people know who's house it is though. But it won't be full of junk. 06:48 us_0gb Yeah, my Land Claim plugin is based on the ideas of node_ownership and protector. 06:48 kaeza but unless you hack it, you are pretty much screwed if the user who placed the blocks leaves forever 06:49 us_0gb I actually like it that way. As long as the user dosen't protct a lava flow or something. 06:49 us_0gb I don't want the historical buildings demolished. 06:50 kaeza if you remove the fire mod, lava bocomes less of a danger to sturucture 06:50 kaeza structures* 06:50 kaeza becomes* 06:50 us_0gb My Land Claims protect against fire. 06:51 kaeza yeah 06:51 kaeza I tried it 06:51 us_0gb So no need to remove fire. 06:52 kaeza now if only someone hacked lava so it doesn't damage players... I guess that's not an option actually 06:52 us_0gb Why is that not an option? 06:53 kaeza I mean, you can do it, but it takes more away from the survival element 06:53 kaeza for legitimately generated lava 06:53 us_0gb True. Which is also true for removing fire. 06:54 us_0gb Oops, I dug into a lava flow. Now all my torches burned away. 06:54 kaeza I get your point 06:55 us_0gb On Globis's server, I used to dam lava with logs. 06:55 us_0gb It was so odd ... 06:55 kaeza hmm... disabling lava buckets has also disadvantages, since lava is legitimately used for decorative purposes 06:56 us_0gb Right. Which is why they're only disabled in claimed areas. 06:56 us_0gb It's not a perfect system, but it's the best I can come up with. 06:57 kaeza yeah... this discussion about grief prevention has going on for ages 06:58 kaeza but you cannot devise a system that prevents griefing without affecting legit uses of griefing tools 06:58 kaeza err 06:58 kaeza you get the point 06:58 us_0gb Here's a question: Why do players call vandalism "grief", but not call murder "grief"? 06:59 kaeza that's a good question 07:00 kaeza but the thing is if they can kill you, then you have a chance to defend yourself 07:00 us_0gb I mean, it's not like people were looking for a word to describe it. There's already a word: vandaism. 07:01 kaeza whereas anyone cam come and "grief" (or destroy) you house when you are away/disconnected 07:01 kaeza can* 07:01 us_0gb Yeah, but why not just call it vandalism, because that's what it is? 07:01 kaeza true 07:02 kaeza the only real solution (albeit a not very efficient one) would be to have a moderator watching the server 24/7 07:03 us_0gb And what's up with the term "griefing"? You can GIVE someone grief, but you can't "grief them". "Grief" is NOT a verb. 07:03 us_0gb You'd need a moderator you can trust, too. 07:04 us_0gb My sister has dealt with moderators that wreck her bases .... 07:04 kaeza I get your point 07:05 kaeza but for example, what most server admins want is that players join their server right? 07:05 kaeza so more or less, they want fame 07:06 kaeza what good will do if a moderator/admin destroys the players' houses? 07:07 us_0gb Right. You can usually trust the administrator, because you can trust that they want to keep you. It's bad MODERATORS my sister was dealing with. 07:07 kaeza so if a mod is a jerk, you report it to an admin 07:07 us_0gb True enough. 07:07 kaeza and if the admin is a jerk, you simply leave the server and find a better one 07:08 us_0gb It sucks that you'll lose your creations though. 07:09 us_0gb That's why I started my own, actually. The server I was at got wiped, and I didn't want it to happen again. 07:09 kaeza yeah, but you'll have too much work rebuilding your house again and again if both the mod and the admin are jerks 07:09 kaeza nice 07:09 us_0gb That is a good point. 07:11 kaeza I never had these problems since I mostly play singleplayer 07:11 kaeza but Vanessa's server and Shaun's server are quite peaceful 07:12 us_0gb I only do any real building on servers with protector or my plugin installed, so I also don't have these issues. 07:12 kaeza and I bet V will surely kill anyone that destroys her world ^_^ 07:12 us_0gb Redcrab has a unique setup though, one that also works. So I build there too. 07:13 kaeza how so? 07:13 kaeza I mean, I never played on redcrab's 07:13 us_0gb VanessaE's server was beautiful when I first went there. But now people filled it with stacks of televisions, and such. 07:13 kaeza lol true... sadly 07:14 us_0gb Redcrab has a custom version of node_ownership, that lets a player define their own protected spaces. 07:15 us_0gb I don't build heavily on servers that use node_ownership as their form of protection, but I make an exception for Redcrab's server, because of the customization. 07:16 kaeza that's a good idea. does it also protect against bucket based attacks? 07:17 us_0gb I don't think node_ownership does, but his version protects against buckets. In fact, you can't even use buckets in unprotected areas. Only in your own areas. 07:17 kaeza that's a good idea indeed 07:18 us_0gb You can FILL in areas you don't own though. 07:18 us_0gb Which is less dangerous. 07:19 kaeza also, comparing two numbers (pos of node being modified and range of owned area) is much faster than say protector which checks for protector node in vicinity 07:19 kaeza i.e: node by node 07:19 us_0gb Yeah. That's why I took mine in a different direction. 07:21 us_0gb Mine should have faster lookups than node_ownership too, because you don't have to check against EVERY protected area. But mine also has more data to keep in memory, so it's a tradeoff. 07:21 us_0gb I'm still looking for a better way. 07:22 us_0gb Someone flooded VanessaE's forest .... 07:22 kaeza lolwut 07:23 us_0gb Water. But I fixed it. 07:23 kaeza hmm... you're giving me an idea 07:23 us_0gb Care to elaborate? 07:24 kaeza stupid idea of mine, but since I have much free time nowadays... 07:24 kaeza yes 07:24 kaeza hmm 07:24 kaeza basically, a "beacon" node 07:25 us_0gb I think someone built one at one point. 07:25 kaeza you put it wherever you think someone may have destroyed something 07:25 kaeza and it stores a special message in the log 07:25 us_0gb Oh, nice. And wait for a moderator. 07:26 kaeza aha 07:26 kaeza and the moderator reads the log and sees who made the mess 07:26 kaeza no one but an admin can remove the beacon 07:27 kaeza obviously, the mod must also punish if a beacon is placed unjustifiably 07:28 kaeza and you give a single beacon per user 07:28 kaeza so they must place it wisely 07:28 kaeza it's not a perfect idea 07:28 kaeza but what the hell 07:28 us_0gb Sounds good. The moderator can give them a new one if they rightfully used their old one. 07:29 kaeza right 07:30 us_0gb Anyway, I'm way overdue for bed. Good night. 07:30 kaeza and maybe "good samaritan" (or police) users can get more than one beacon if the admin sees he deserves 07:30 kaeza good night 08:48 kaeza morning 08:51 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.net:30000 DOWN 08:52 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.net:80:80 DOWN 09:02 kaeza john_minetest: minetest.net is down 09:02 kaeza and it's minetest.org:30000 09:03 kaeza !up minetest.org 09:03 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.org:30000 DOWN 09:03 kaeza ? 09:03 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.org:30015:30015 DOWN 09:03 kaeza ?? 09:04 kaeza !up minetest.org 30015 09:04 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.org:30015 UP 09:04 kaeza aha! 09:04 kaeza anyway, I'm off to bed now 09:04 kaeza good night/morning everyone 09:53 sapier hello 09:54 LunaVorax Hi! 10:13 * OldCoder is asleep 10:14 sapier can anyone tell me if minetest is using multithreading? 10:15 Zeg9 For singleplayer, sure 10:15 Zeg9 I'm not sure about multiplayer though 10:16 sapier are lua scripts done in parallel too? 10:17 Zeg9 I don't think 10:18 sapier puuh ... I hope you're right 10:18 thexyz lua is single-threaded 10:18 sapier good :-) adding synchronisation to lua scripty may be difficult 10:18 thexyz otherwise we'd have many fun errors 10:21 sapier I know ... is there even something like mutexes or semaphores in lua? 11:01 Zeg9 Everyone will rush on it 11:01 Zeg9 making it unusable again lol 11:01 sapier yes .. and mobf is supporting animated mobs as of 1.9.1 release 11:01 Zeg9 sapier: Great! 11:02 sapier doesn't mean all mobs are animated by now ;-) 11:16 RealBadAngel default tree vs L-system apple tree: http://realbadangel.pl/apple_tree.png 11:18 RealBadAngel i have almost finished L-system tree generator, still adding new features 11:18 sapier can you add tree growth? making worlds a little bit more dynamic? 11:19 sapier mobf is part of animals_modpack 11:19 sapier those animals are only there to demonstrate what mobf can do ;-) 11:20 sapier is it the only message ore are other mods missing too? 11:20 sapier mobf itself depends on some mods 11:21 RealBadAngel tree above was generated with this: http://pastebin.com/jdCLLNUL 11:21 moltenbot RealBadAngel's link: local pos = pointed_thing.above apple_tree={ axiom="FFFFAF", rule - Pastebin.com 11:21 john_mt|afk mobf, inventory_plus, fire, wool 11:21 RealBadAngel saper you can define all when spawnin a tree 11:21 john_mt|afk oh, so I need the default gamre 11:21 john_mt|afk *game. 11:21 john_mt|afk bbl, cya 11:21 FreeFull sapier: I imagine adding tree growth and decay would produce more of a strain, especially since you want it all to happen in an instant when you load a place you haven't been to in a while 11:21 RealBadAngel decay shall be removed 11:22 RealBadAngel it wont work with big trees 11:22 RealBadAngel imagine decay facing this: ive cut one fully grown oak, over 5300 leaves, over 250 trunks 11:23 RealBadAngel hi PilzAdam, right in time 11:23 sapier @freefull ok I don't know how heavy that l-tree algorithm is and if it's even suitable for dynamic growth 11:23 PilzAdam Hello RBA & others 11:24 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, 2 links for ya, http://realbadangel.pl/apple_tree.png and http://pastebin.com/jdCLLNUL 11:24 sapier I just wanted to mention about half a year ago I've been convinced tress with sizes above 20 are not wanted ;-) 11:25 RealBadAngel hehhe 11:25 sapier have a look at the discussion in growing_trees if you don't believe me ;-) 11:25 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, treegen is fully configureable from LUA now 11:25 PilzAdam nice 11:26 RealBadAngel and able to replace even small default trees 11:26 sapier pilzadam can you fix github issue 229? ;-) 11:26 sapier @realbadangel did you do some performance tests too? 11:26 RealBadAngel and also is able to produce any kind of fruit tree 11:27 RealBadAngel sapier, of course, replaced default treegen with 20 times bigger trees 11:27 RealBadAngel not much of a difference 11:27 sapier I'd prefere faster operation to bigger trees ;-) 11:27 RealBadAngel notice you have to generate far less big trees than default sticks 11:29 PilzAdam sapier, dunno, seems a bit hacky 11:29 sapier :-) that's not what I'm talking about ... it wouldn't be got if this algorithm is lets say 100 times faster for bigger trees but 10000 slower for small ones ... the exact numbers don't matter 11:29 RealBadAngel sapier: fast operation timings are preffered when catchin fleas 11:29 RealBadAngel ;) 11:29 sapier @pilzadam ... it is but it's better than having a server run havok anytime it's at its performance limit 11:29 sapier and real world has a speed limit too ... its speed of light 11:32 sapier and i don't see any other solution if a server isn't capable of doing all the calculations needed to be done (atm) it's better to skipe some calculations than to sit there consume all load and memory until os kills us 11:33 RealBadAngel https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest 11:33 moltenbot RealBadAngel's link: RealBadAngel/minetest ? GitHub 11:33 RealBadAngel git with treegen, up to date vs current master 11:34 RealBadAngel i need to make just a few more fixes to it, then will pull it 11:35 RealBadAngel later today will make also LUA part for minetest_game, VanessaE made yesterday textures for several kinds of trees 11:37 sapier isn't pi a compiler preprocessor macro? 11:37 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, can you add the API function to Lua-api-txt? 11:37 RealBadAngel look at the example atm 11:37 PilzAdam and why are you modifying the caves generation? 11:38 RealBadAngel because it was fucked up 11:38 RealBadAngel caves were generated above ground 11:38 RealBadAngel and were destroying everythin 11:38 PilzAdam I guess this should be a seperate commit 11:38 RealBadAngel it will be part of hmms mapgen 11:39 RealBadAngel but i was sick of those caves 11:39 RealBadAngel i suggest you replace CONTENT_AIR with c_mese 11:39 RealBadAngel and see what fuckin cave generator was doing 11:40 PilzAdam I saw the screenshots on -dev 11:40 RealBadAngel you will be suprised seeing mese clouds 11:40 sapier I like mese clouds :-) 11:40 RealBadAngel and it doesnt have to be separate commit because i was workin on mapgen 11:41 RealBadAngel very same file 11:41 sapier :-) sounds like "I was working on minetest so I change everywhere" ;-) 11:41 RealBadAngel no 11:42 RealBadAngel that was part of the very same loop 11:42 sapier probably someone wants to fix the vaults but not your l-system trees ... 11:42 RealBadAngel not even another function 11:43 RealBadAngel yes, those changes will be included with hmm's mapgen rework 11:43 sapier true but stil completely different things a vault is a vault a tree a tree ;) 11:43 sapier I don't see much things those two things have in common 11:43 RealBadAngel but theres no point when im testin my work seein it completely destroyed by broken cave code :) 11:44 sapier but it's not my decision so my opinion most likely isn't of any interest 11:44 sapier @john_minetest it does 11:44 RealBadAngel they have in common this simple fact thar one destroys results of another 11:44 RealBadAngel logical? 11:46 RealBadAngel anyway as i said, final release of treegen will come without those changes 11:46 sapier @realbadangel no it isn't i don't know if this rule applies to minetest too but at any other project I've been involved. One Patch --> one feature/ problem fix 11:46 sapier @john_minetest mobf_settings isn't mobf if you don't want to use settings gui you can delete it ;-) 11:46 RealBadAngel shall i said it for the third time? 11:47 sapier @realbadAngel sorry I've been already writing when you told that final wont contain it 11:47 RealBadAngel i said it already 5 minutes ago 11:47 RealBadAngel I guess this should be a seperate commit 11:47 RealBadAngel it will be part of hmms mapgen 11:48 sapier ok i didn't understand this as "it'll not be in treegen fix" 11:48 RealBadAngel np :) 11:49 RealBadAngel its in this git because im testin the trees how them should look like, not how they can be fucked by caves ;) 11:49 sapier as you're used to mapgen do you have an idea how to add random elements to water? 11:50 RealBadAngel like for example? 11:50 sapier fish 11:51 sapier atm I use a abm linked to water looking for other fish nearby ... this is a real performance killer even with low abm chances 11:51 sapier looking for other fish to avoid crowded seas 11:52 RealBadAngel i can take a look where it might be placed 11:53 sapier spawning algorithms in lua are real performance hogs if those can be moved to c++ everyone would benefit 11:53 sapier thats's why most "mob" mods out there use eggs to spawn mobs 11:54 RealBadAngel indeed, i can see the difference with trees 11:54 sapier john_minetest can you send me full output? 11:54 RealBadAngel spawnin a big tree by lua was measured in seconds, callin c++ from LUA is instant 11:55 sapier realbadangel: spawning isn't a problem if your mod has only on mob for example but as soon as you support more it's a real problem 11:55 RealBadAngel treegen depends on heavy calculations with matrices 11:56 sapier I assume your main problem was node access if you try to look for each node when you need it you'll have a full lua->c++->lua transition everytime 11:56 RealBadAngel and as i said, big tree can consist of almost 6k of nodes, thats more than whole mapblock 11:57 RealBadAngel and when made in c++ spawning such tree is instant 11:57 sapier of course but i assume that big trees aren't realy often used ;-) 11:57 FreeFull You could live inside such a tree, couldn't you? 11:58 RealBadAngel yup :) 11:58 RealBadAngel takin down such tree takes circa half an hour 11:58 sapier sounds like worldgen not treegen ;-) 11:58 sapier i think fire is faster ;-) 11:58 FreeFull RealBadAngel: Even with the timber mod? 11:59 RealBadAngel timber mod wont work with them 11:59 RealBadAngel decay neither 11:59 sapier why? 11:59 FreeFull =P 11:59 RealBadAngel imagine collecting 6k nodes 11:59 RealBadAngel and what would happen to the game 11:59 sapier limit it to 3k nodes 12:00 sapier having leaves hang around is a big step back 12:00 RealBadAngel that was working with sticks 12:00 RealBadAngel not with the trees 12:01 sapier ok I'm not talking about timber mod ... that can be fixed if they want to 12:01 RealBadAngel propably 12:01 sapier but leave decay is a must have 12:01 RealBadAngel if you have nasa mainframe ready for such calculations.... 12:02 sapier I assume if your treegen is used for small trees leave decay will work? 12:02 RealBadAngel youre welcome 12:02 RealBadAngel if you decide to pick default:leaves in definition, decay will work 12:02 sapier It's easy to tell "not possible" this is a game perfect simulation os of no worth if it can't be played anymore 12:03 sapier ok so leave decay can work 12:03 RealBadAngel decay with such trees will be every server murderer 12:03 sapier enough to me 12:03 sapier then we need to think about other solutions 12:03 RealBadAngel ideas welcome 12:04 RealBadAngel until then, no decay for anything bigger than 1,5x default tree maximum 12:04 sapier in my opinion minetest worlds are far to static ... don't get me wrong your trees look great! but they seem to make the world even more static 12:05 RealBadAngel they change far more than you think 12:05 RealBadAngel you shall play a bit with them 12:05 sapier hmm I'm running growing_trees with trees as big as 20 nodes having leaves dynamicaly decay and beeing readded ... but of course growing_trees are rare 12:06 RealBadAngel now you can have randomly selected stage of growth when spawned 12:06 sapier I don't want to "play" with trees ...trees are some sort of decoration ... it's fun if they change by time 12:07 RealBadAngel i cant see any sensible solution for replacing a few k of nodes to provide growth over time 12:07 sapier still they stay the same as soon as generated 12:07 sapier true talking about some k nodes it won't work anymore but do those trees need to have some k nodes? 12:08 RealBadAngel the biggest ones, yes 12:08 sapier so I'm going to chop the trunk and have thousands of leaves floating around in air ... 12:09 sapier still you've done great work 12:09 RealBadAngel have you ever have such thoughts when comparing several hundred years old oak, or sequoia wood to the apple tree in your garden? 12:09 RealBadAngel does they have to be such big for christ sake?? 12:10 sapier :-) real world has plenty of "computation power" ;-) 12:11 sapier in our case it's deciding adding a more realism in shape of trees (l-system trees) 12:11 sapier or adding more realism in behaviour of trees (leave decay) 12:11 RealBadAngel trees can be shaped as you like 12:11 sapier i think this is a matter of personal preference 12:11 RealBadAngel up to u, they have kinda programming language 12:12 RealBadAngel to design them 12:12 sapier as far as i understood you using l-system trees won't make leave decay obsolete in any case 12:12 RealBadAngel u can design with it any shape you want 12:12 sapier so it's good 12:13 celeron55 it's interesting to note that mine* games are unique in the aspect that almost everything in the world is simultaneously art and gameplay elements 12:13 RealBadAngel hi celeron55, i nearly finished the treegen 12:13 sapier hello 12:13 celeron55 (and different people weigh them differently) 12:14 sapier true and someone has to decide (meaning you celeron55) ;-) 12:14 RealBadAngel celeron55, you can take a look at WIP version of it, https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest 12:14 moltenbot RealBadAngel's link: RealBadAngel/minetest ? GitHub 12:15 RealBadAngel ive also made a pretty neat interface to LUA 12:16 RealBadAngel so engine part wont hold any hardcoded tree definitions 12:18 RealBadAngel i was thinkin about writing tutorial bout L-system tree design, and makin in forum topic for ppl, let them design some trees and then pick the best ones for the game 12:19 berome RealBadAngel: tutorial is always a good idea I think 12:21 berome seeing "post your screenshot" threads, wich is big and heavy sawn, confirm implication of users is a good idea too 12:21 RealBadAngel there are already some tree screnshots there 12:22 celeron55 RealBadAngel: looks reasonable, except of one thing: treegen.h includes way too much headers 12:23 celeron55 environment.h irrlichttypes_extrabloated.h are huge beasts and there should never be any reason to include them in *.h 12:23 celeron55 unless you have too fast a computer and need to extend compile times many times longer in the long run 12:24 RealBadAngel i know, i need to do some cleanin before pulling 12:25 celeron55 also you should probably add an another copyright line in treegen.cpp, as most of it is yours 12:26 RealBadAngel ok. another note, i used different naming method for two helper functions 12:27 RealBadAngel i used such names because those are names of functions from irrlicht 1.8, ported there 12:27 sapier is ther eany reason why lava can't be seen from below water? 12:27 RealBadAngel when game will move to 1.8 helpers can be replaced with natives just 12:29 celeron55 that will be like in 2 years 8) or whichever long it takes for debian stable to include irrlicht 1.8 12:30 FreeFull sapier: It's the way that minetest handles liquids right now I think 12:30 celeron55 (i mean, even debian unstable is still at 1.7.3...) 12:31 sapier ok ... it's funny if you've got a whome mountain covered with lava drop into water an see the trees below lava again 12:31 FreeFull Slackware went straight from 4 to 7 12:32 RealBadAngel squeeze is 1.7.1 even 12:33 sapier @john_minetest i think this is a follow up error I've seen in rare occasions ... I'll have a look at possible sources of this error but it'll be a little bit difficult to find 12:33 sapier did you try animated mob too? you need to spawn it by /spawnmob mob_npc:npc 12:37 moltenbot john_minetest's link: Pastebit, beep beep beep 12:37 davidpace Hi All! 12:38 sapier wooh ... looks strange 12:38 sapier thanks for your log 12:50 sapier I'm going to add a workaround to not make mobf crash ... it's not fixing the real fault but will make mobf work more stable again 12:52 sapier @john_minetest if you used git version I've added a commit fixing it ... i'll release 1.9.2 soon 12:53 sapier it's a small fix so maybe you can add it manualy too 13:03 markveidemanis Hello 13:04 berome hello 13:06 RealBadAngel sapier: its useful to put EVERYWHERE check if not nil 13:06 RealBadAngel it pops up in very strage places 13:07 RealBadAngel where theoreticaly nil should never appear lua will find a way to stick it there 13:07 sapier in generall thats true ... but checking anything for nil will blow up mobf code by factor 10 making it defacto unreadable 13:08 sapier and "nil" is a reasonable value for many cases it's saying "not there" 13:08 RealBadAngel just do it this way, for example if youre usuing player, use if (player) then 13:09 sapier they bug john_minetest discovered is somehow related to dynamic_data geting lost which basicaly could happen anywhere in mobf as lua doesn't have a "private" concept 13:10 RealBadAngel i told ya, lua found a way ;) 13:10 RealBadAngel shes a nasty bitch ;) 13:10 RealBadAngel where devil cant go, will send lua to do his job ;0 13:10 sapier most time I do this to but at many occasion I don't check for nil by purpose in cases were a nil value is a bug 13:11 sapier lua isn't that bad it just requires more brains from programmer ;-) 13:11 sapier most of us don't have ... me too ;-) 13:11 RealBadAngel hard to get used to 13:12 sapier I've written so many languages by now lua isn't even close to worst :-) 13:12 RealBadAngel but from my experience, checks for nil are a must-have 13:13 sapier in general thats true ... but what to do if it fails? in most cases you want to have an exception ... lua doesn't have on if I'm correct 13:14 RealBadAngel 99% stuff crashes because variable is lost, not defined or went for a beer 13:14 RealBadAngel which results in nil 13:14 sapier true, but in many cases you need that value to be defined ... so error happened before 13:14 RealBadAngel rest is in the hands of coder 13:15 RealBadAngel ive chosen to ignore when nil and do nothin 13:15 markveidemanis I JUST FINISHED CHAPTER 2 IN WORLD OF GOO! 13:15 sapier yes thats what exception handling is for ... try to continue in production code and kill app in debug mode to find the error as soon as possible 13:15 RealBadAngel just skip this particular callback 13:15 markveidemanis chapter 3: cog in the machine 13:16 sapier iIf you've lost all your private data defining a mob you can't continue ;-) 13:16 RealBadAngel it happens often when callback is made before initialization procedures 13:16 RealBadAngel which shall never happen in theory 13:16 sapier callbacks in mobf explicitly check if initialization is done 13:17 RealBadAngel setting init flag is also a solution 13:17 sapier that's the way it's done 13:18 RealBadAngel but lua has ways we have never dreamed of ;) 13:18 sapier I've added a "state change" feature in last version switching an entity to another one while preserving its private data thus those data need to be transfered ... somewhere within that code might still be an error 13:19 sapier variable/pointer handling in lua is a nightmare 13:31 markveidemanis hi 13:32 WOGCorp hello 13:32 WOGCorp World Of Goo 13:42 markveidemanis HeLlO 13:48 markveidemanis hi 13:51 markveidemanis hi 13:54 markveidemanis can a computer use wifi AND 3g 13:54 markveidemanis at the same tine 13:54 markveidemanis or commect to 2 wifi netoorks 13:55 sapier it can connect but it can't route through both at same time 13:57 markveidemanis i want to connect to my phone's wifi => 3G network aswell as my router 13:59 sapier ok thats a little bit difficult, most likely the phone hardware is capable of doing it bit assuming its android or iphone neither google nor apple do support this usecase 14:00 markveidemanis oh 14:03 markveidemanis ok 14:04 markveidemanis but i can do USB connection AND wifi...may try that 14:07 markveidemanis tt 14:07 markveidemanis useing 3G now 14:13 PilzAdam thexyz, in the Minetest API wiki you dont go to the correct site if you search for the method names without prefix "minetest." 14:13 PilzAdam should I add redirects to all methods? 14:15 markveidemanis ? 14:17 markveidemanis_ hi 14:21 markveidemanis \nick NyanCat 14:21 NyanCat j 14:25 minetester1 HAHA 14:25 minetester1 who will be minetester3? 14:27 thexyz PilzAdam: it's designed to act like this because you call minetest.register_node, not register_node 14:28 PilzAdam its unhandy 14:29 thexyz oh, you mean that search is stupid 14:30 PilzAdam normally I go to lua-api.txt hit Ctrl + F and type "register_node" 14:30 PilzAdam in the wiki I have to type minetest.register_node 14:31 thexyz ok, i'll try to install sphinx search 14:31 thexyz well, redirects are fine too, feel free to make them 14:31 PilzAdam k, will do 14:32 thexyz thanks for your support, btw 14:50 PilzAdam 1/3 finished 15:02 markveidemanis i may have found a bug in technic 15:02 markveidemanis if i drag out of a mithril locked chest, the item stays in and it all adds up if i do it multiple times 15:03 PilzAdam 2/3 finished 15:07 markveidemanis ] 15:12 markveidemanis how i enable noclip in minetest.conf 15:15 PilzAdam noclip = true 15:18 PilzAdam thexyz, done: http://api.minetest.net/Special:RecentChanges 15:18 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: Recent changes - Minetest API 15:20 thexyz PilzAdam: nice 15:27 Calinou hi :D 15:28 Exio hai Calinou 15:28 Exio :> 15:28 RealBadAngel oke doke, added pitch/yaw/roll commands for L-system turtle 15:29 RealBadAngel now its possible to design ANY shape of tree 15:40 Calinou turtle trees! 15:43 celeron55 http://api.minetest.net/Intro#Try_it_out.21 15:43 moltenbot celeron55's link: Intro - Minetest API 15:43 celeron55 somebody should probably correct that one 8) 15:43 celeron55 the part about giving yourself the privilege 15:44 PilzAdam I can do that 15:44 celeron55 i guess auth.txt shouldn't even be mentioned and just assume a singleplayer game 15:45 PilzAdam done 15:46 celeron55 hmm, also... isn't that "" way of writing the output item not recommended currently? http://api.minetest.net/Intro#Define_a_craft_recipe 15:46 moltenbot celeron55's link: Intro - Minetest API 15:46 celeron55 or whas it some other thing 15:46 celeron55 was* 15:47 PilzAdam never saw it like this 15:47 PilzAdam but itemstring says it should be "mod:name 2" 15:47 celeron55 it had some problems with... umm... something 15:48 celeron55 the engine accepts that, but mods that inspect the crafting output stuff don't like it 15:48 PilzAdam https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/206 15:48 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: get_craft_recipe() not working when register_craft() has internal quotes ? Issue #206 ? celeron55/minetest ? GitHub 15:49 Calinou celeron55: "Launch the game now, and notice that the mods are automatically loaded and compiled." < mods aren't compiled, amirite? 15:49 Calinou they're just read by lua interpreter... 15:49 Calinou someone is wrong on the internet 15:49 celeron55 well, lua compiles them to bytecode 15:49 Calinou luajit, no? 15:49 celeron55 luajit compiles to native code 15:49 PilzAdam fixed the quotes thing 15:49 Calinou ah 15:50 sapier has luajit been enabled? 15:50 Calinou no 15:56 celeron55 read through the rest of it; now it's pretty good and up-to-date 16:21 jeffrash I see the server is shutting down. Is everything ok? 16:22 jeffrash Zeg9, can you backup my castle again? 16:23 Zeg9 jeffrash, coming 16:24 Zeg9 jeffrash, it seems the server crashed. Or OldCoder is restarting it 16:24 jeffrash yes, I was just asking about that too 16:25 jeffrash I was on and saw the message server shutting down. So I don't think it was a crash 16:30 markveidemanis hi 16:31 markveidemanis ? 16:32 jeffrash Hi, markveidemanis 16:33 markveidemanis hello 16:33 markveidemanis any way to make internet FASTER? 16:33 jeffrash just waiting on the server to come backup 16:33 jeffrash sure, faster connection 16:33 markveidemanis or is zeg's server down? 16:33 markveidemanis ok 16:34 jeffrash Yes, I was on when it went down 16:34 markveidemanis an XBOX is using WiFi so i am using 3G/HSDPA 16:34 markveidemanis is there a way to make my samsung galaxy ace use 3G and not HSDPA? 16:37 markveidemanis when will server be up 16:38 jeffrash I will check back later 16:39 markveidemanis minetest.org:30015 DOWN <== why is it down? 16:40 * markveidemanis <== he wants to know why it's down 16:41 Zeg9 jeffrash, when a mod crashes, the sever says "server shutting down" before crashing 16:44 jeffrash oh, I see 16:44 jeffrash I didn't know that 16:45 markveidemanis_ my computer ran out of memory and chrome said "he's dead, jim" 16:46 markveidemanis_ minetest.org:30015 UP 16:47 jeffrash markveidemanis, it's not up yet 16:47 markveidemanis yeh it is, im connecting 16:48 jeffrash oh, ok. I'm not able to 16:48 markveidemanis its down again! 16:49 Zeg9 !up minetest.org 30015 16:49 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.org:30015 DOWN 16:49 Zeg9 !up minetest.org 16:49 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.org:30000 UP 16:49 markveidemanis ha! 16:50 Calinou markveidemanis: HSDPA is some kind of 3G improvement 16:50 markveidemanis improved 3G? 16:52 Calinou yes 16:53 markveidemanis yay, i have better 3G then 16:53 markveidemanis i thought 3g was better... 16:53 markveidemanis or UMTS 17:23 markveidemanis minetest.org:30015 UP or DOWN? 17:24 Calinou !up minetest.org:30015 17:24 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.org:30015:30015 DOWN 17:25 markveidemanis and why? 17:25 markveidemanis DOWN for too long 17:27 thexyz !up minetest.org 30015 17:27 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.org:30015 DOWN 17:27 markveidemanis why is it DOWN 17:31 markveidemanis ok, who wants to go on my server 17:37 Zeg9 !up minetest.org 30015 17:37 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.org:30015 DOWN 17:41 markveidemanis Zeg9: can you send me the zegaton map? 17:41 Zeg9 markveidemanis , I only have an old one 17:41 markveidemanis ok 17:41 markveidemanis before the restart? 17:41 Zeg9 markveidemanis, ask OldCoder for the current one, also it is saved under levelDB, so you need a levelDB compatible client 17:42 markveidemanis levelDB? 17:42 Zeg9 markveidemanis, before the server was hosted by OldCoder 17:42 markveidemanis Zeg9: can i have a link to the leveldb thing? 17:43 markveidemanis ima have a go at survival on minetest singleplaye 17:45 Zeg9 markveidemanis, can't find it 17:45 markveidemanis ok 17:45 Zeg9 if you want I can give you an old version of it that is still under sqlite 17:47 markveidemanis ok 17:47 markveidemanis will it have my house? 17:48 Zeg9 No, it wouldn't 17:49 markveidemanis ok 17:49 markveidemanis no then 17:49 markveidemanis il just stick to playing on the server 17:49 markveidemanis my singleplayer is slower than the server... 17:50 Calinou because he's single 17:50 Calinou poor player :( 17:50 markveidemanis i gave up on singleplayer, btw 17:51 markveidemanis too boring 17:55 markveidemanis k 17:55 markveidemanis is serveer up? 18:02 markveidemanis who here is on a minetest.org server? 18:02 markveidemanis any port 18:02 markveidemanis post 18:03 * VanessaE peeks in for a sec 18:03 markveidemanis AnyOne? 18:04 VanessaE markveidemanis: my world backup at 30017 works. 18:04 * markveidemanis <== he wants to know if there is anyone on the minetest.org servers 18:04 markveidemanis ok 18:07 markveidemanis [18:06] CTCP TIME reply from OldCoder: Wed Dec 26 10:05:20 <== LOL still asleep 18:08 Zeg9 mark, he gets to bed at 03:00 am ... 18:09 markveidemanis ha 18:10 markveidemanis VanessaE and Zeg9: how did you convince oldcoder to run your server(s)? 18:11 VanessaE he doesn't run a server for me as such, he runs a copy of my world as a backup, and he offered to do so. 18:11 markveidemanis ok 18:12 markveidemanis Zeg9? 18:13 markveidemanis minetest org 30018? thats new 18:13 Zeg9 Minetest.org 30018 ? let me see 18:13 markveidemanis VanessaE and Zeg9 <=: how did you convince oldcoder to run your server(s)? 18:13 kaeza hello 18:13 markveidemanis :=> 18:13 markveidemanis hi 18:14 Exio hai kaeza 18:14 Zeg9 markveidemanis, maybe if you don't spam people will be nice with you 18:14 Zeg9 hi kaeza 18:14 kaeza what's up? 18:14 markveidemanis im not spamming!"" 18:14 kaeza is there any forum moderator here? 18:15 * VanessaE is. 18:15 kaeza hey hey V 18:15 markveidemanis u r not opped 18:15 VanessaE I am now. :-) 18:15 markveidemanis fair enough 18:15 VanessaE hi kaeza :-) 18:16 markveidemanis but how does chanserv know you CAN be opped 18:17 markveidemanis \clear 18:17 markveidemanis ? 18:17 markveidemanis minetest org 30018 3% media 18:17 marktraceur Calinou: Did you fix the copper rails in moreores to be in group:rails? 18:18 kaeza hi marktraceur 18:18 marktraceur Hi kaeza 18:19 markveidemanis VanessaE how many letters in your name, you have 10 seconds to answer 18:20 VanessaE 16. 18:20 VanessaE (counting my last name) 18:20 VanessaE if I counted it right :-) 18:20 markveidemanis tep 18:21 markveidemanis yep 18:21 markveidemanis #but more than 10 seconds 18:21 markveidemanis Vanessa Eekowitz 18:21 markveidemanis whoops 18:21 markveidemanis Vanessa Ezekowitz 18:21 VanessaE I wasn't paying attention :-) 18:21 markveidemanis :-> 18:22 markveidemanis :->) 18:22 markveidemanis lol 18:22 markveidemanis i am on minetest org 30014 18:24 markveidemanis \clear 18:24 markveidemanis \/clear 18:24 markveidemanis :) 18:25 markveidemanis Zeg(when will server be up)9 18:25 * marktraceur wonders why markveidemanis hasn't yet figured out the no-spamming-no-flooding idea 18:25 * markveidemanis 18:26 * markveidemanis <== EPIC marktraceur <== NERD 18:26 marktraceur markveidemanis: Lesson of IRC number 1: Don't antagonize the ops. 18:26 markveidemanis :P 18:27 markveidemanis a-n-t-a-g-o-n-i-z-e? 18:27 markveidemanis when will the lesson be over? 18:27 markveidemanis im bored 18:27 markveidemanis :P 18:28 marktraceur markveidemanis: It is over. Just pipe down and wait for Zeg9 to finish his restart or whatever it was. 18:28 markveidemanis it crashed...not restart 18:28 jordach hello everyone 18:28 Calinou markveidemanis: they are, no? 18:28 Calinou is the group "rails" or "rail", btw? 18:29 Calinou marktraceur* 18:29 jordach oops, closed tab! 18:29 marktraceur Calinou: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2451 18:29 moltenbot marktraceur's link: [Mod] Carts [carts] (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums 18:29 marktraceur jordach: Time for a proper IRC client? :) 18:29 Calinou xchat is :> 18:30 jordach marktraceur: not at home atm 18:34 jordach VanessaE: homedecor is missing a mini cd player, desktop computer speakers, a desk, etc.. 18:35 VanessaE jordach: yeah, there's still stuff that needs to be added. Sooner or later. 18:35 Calinou homedecor lacks tablets, let's add iOS and android in minetest!!1!1!1 18:35 jordach also, wall mounted lcd tv's would be nice 18:35 Calinou (oh and don't forget windows 8) 18:36 jordach (oh and don't forget windows 8) you mean win8 or a 8) ? 18:36 jordach VanessaE: a vcr, dvd player, perhaps bluray??? 18:37 jordach and a satellite dish reciever box 18:37 VanessaE ..... 18:37 * jordach also would like a desk tidy that stores 1-4 items 18:39 marktraceur jordach: Perhaps you could put this stuff in a forum post or something, and VanessaE can read it later? (perhaps when you link it to her?) 18:39 jordach ooh! desk chairs that spin with the wheels! 18:40 VanessaE actually yeah, jordach post that stuff in the Home Decor thread. 18:40 VanessaE I already plan to add a digital projector since I have one, but the other stuff I hadn't thought of. 18:41 jordach also, picture of my house on the LAN game with my girlfriend: http://imgur.com/7P7YX,2KqpR,B3yAs 18:42 marktraceur Daw, they're playing house. 18:42 * jordach kicks marktraceur 18:42 jordach its called suvival with mobf here 18:43 marktraceur Ah. Even so. 18:45 celeron55 are mobs frightened of flowers 18:45 jordach the only problem i face is having to /clearobjects often 18:45 celeron55 or are they camouflaged missile launchers 18:45 jordach yes 18:46 jordach punching the tv fires the nukes 18:48 Calinou jordach: windows 8 of course 18:48 Calinou no tablet has windows 7 :p 18:48 Calinou of course it's the ARM "RT" version, with non-disableable secure boot 18:48 Calinou make that into minetest too 18:48 jordach Calinou: bullshit, my brother thinks hes 2005 and uses xp tablet edition 18:48 jordach d: 18:48 Calinou if the user tries to install another OS on it, the tablet folds then eats the user's hand 18:48 jordach D: 18:58 kaeza heh seems like someone gave jordach's skin a name without permission ^_^ 18:59 markveidemanis link 19:00 jordach VanessaE: heres your long as shit post http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=59327#p59327 19:00 moltenbot jordach's link: [Mod] Home Decor [20121005] [homedecor] (Page 4) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums 19:01 kaeza jordach: that desk would be good for my computers/consoles mod ^_^ 19:02 markveidemanis yay - Co Operate 19:04 kaeza jordach, markveidemanis: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3830 19:04 moltenbot kaeza's link: [MOD] Computers (Decorative) [0.1.4] [computer] (Page 1) - Modding General - Minetest Forums 19:04 jordach kaeza: i know of that and have used it on VanessaE's serv. 19:04 VanessaE jordach: dayum! 19:04 markveidemanis i think its too many 19:04 iqualfragile g day guys 19:04 jordach im not at home....this allows me to look for things that should be part of it 19:04 kaeza oh right, V is using them on her server 19:04 kaeza g day iqualfragile 19:05 markveidemanis i expected a block for a computer and a block for the monitor 19:07 jordach VanessaE: feel free to pick and choose 19:07 VanessaE I'll see what I can do 19:08 VanessaE but this will be for later, not right now 19:11 jordach and yes im part of the hyper class of builder 19:11 jordach (eg. almost realistic.) 19:13 markveidemanis minetest org 30015 <== why DOWN 19:13 jordach !up minetest.org 30015 19:13 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.org:30015 DOWN 19:13 marktraceur markveidemanis: Because a gazelle attacked the server 19:13 markveidemanis ok 19:14 jordach Jordach roundhouse kicked so hard, he made a Amazon AWS server crash. 19:14 iqualfragile !up minetest.org 30000 19:14 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.org:30000 UP 19:14 markveidemanis 30015 19:15 jordach also, VanessaE baths are needed 19:17 VanessaE edit your post to add them 19:17 jordach done 19:17 VanessaE I se you already did :-) 19:17 VanessaE see* 19:17 jordach "there must be more shit i can think of." 19:17 jordach VanessaE: lava lamps are a must 19:18 * jordach loves lava lamps. 19:18 * jordach also wondered when jordach became a ideas machine 19:19 markveidemanis what company made World Of Goo? 19:19 jordach !g which company made world of goo 19:19 Minetest-tan jordach: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_of_Goo 19:20 jordach http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2D_Boy - markveidemanis 19:20 moltenbot jordach's link: 2D Boy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 19:20 markveidemanis ok thanks 19:20 jeffrash still can't connect to minetest.org 30015. What's the status? 19:20 markveidemanis i was wondering what other apps like it there are for Android 19:20 markveidemanis "!up minetest.org:30015" 19:21 markveidemanis type it 19:21 jeffrash !up minetest.org:30015 19:21 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.org:30015:30015 DOWN 19:21 jordach VanessaE: post updated again 19:22 jeffrash I see that, but is there an ETA? 19:22 jordach jeffrash: dunno, best asking OldCoder about this, he operates the server nexus 19:22 jeffrash OldCoder, what's the status on minetest.org 30015? 19:23 jordach VanessaE: thought of more shit. 19:23 jordach (do make a checklist.) 19:24 VanessaE just keep adding to the post, I'll use it for reference later. 19:25 jordach VanessaE: you could edit the post and add a tick by each completed thing right? 19:25 VanessaE sure I could do that I suppose 19:26 jordach editing again. 19:27 jordach updated 19:29 markveidemanis VanessaE, add some of the stuff Jordach posted, they're good ideas 19:30 markveidemanis nope 19:30 jordach nope. 19:30 markveidemanis maybe] 19:30 jordach everyone follows the stable. 19:30 markveidemanis lol 19:30 Calinou Version: 0.3.1+dfsg-4 19:30 Calinou apt-cache show minetest 19:30 Calinou nope.Avi 19:30 Calinou (oops, .avi... poor azerty layout) 19:31 jordach john_minetest: most debian repos wont accept minetest since the addition of a .x file, eg, == propetrairy 19:34 jeffrash sokomine, I'm playing around with mintest server. How do I make it so people can't grant themselves access? 19:34 jeffrash sokomine, 19:35 jordach jeffrash: default settings only gives them to be able to build and shout 19:35 jordach first player to join becomes the admin 19:35 jordach (eg, you.) 19:35 jeffrash oh, I see. 19:36 jeffrash sokomine, no one else can grant /all to themselves like I just did 19:36 jeffrash testing 19:37 jeffrash it worked 19:37 jeffrash thanks 19:39 jordach see, this is what happen when you test every. single. release. and. commit. of. minetest. 19:39 PilzAdam http://api.minetest.net/Groups 19:39 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: Groups - Minetest API 19:39 jordach lets mine the test until the test mines us. 19:40 VanessaE jordach: that's a metric assload of stuff in your list. I'll see what I can add later. Some of that stuff is probably a no-go like coat hangars or soap bottles 19:41 VanessaE anyway, I'm out. gotta run to the store 19:41 markveidemanis i just got flash player to work on my android, any recommendations for .swf file links? 19:44 markveidemanis http://incredibots.com/if/game.php 19:44 kaeza markveidemanis: filetohd.com 19:46 jordach VanessaE: im probably going to stop there 19:48 markveidemanis [19:44] markveidemanis: filetohd.com <== any swf files? 19:48 jeffrash how do I start a none creative world? 19:48 jeffrash with or without the checkbox its always a creative world 19:48 markveidemanis im minetest conf set creative to false or 0 19:49 jeffrash ok 19:49 markveidemanis creative_mode = 1 <==replace with ==> creative_mode = 0 19:52 jeffrash working 19:52 jeffrash thanks 19:52 jeffrash is /spawn a default command? 19:52 jeffrash It doesn't seem to work for me 19:53 markveidemanis nope, need sethome mod 19:53 kaeza markveidemanis: you enter the URL of the game, select "Objects" radio button, click on "I accept the terms of service blah blah blah", and click on "Submit"/"Search"/whatever 19:54 iqualfragile PilzAdam: craftguide has problems with groups and that confuses new players 19:54 kaeza and it gives you back the SWF links 19:55 PilzAdam iqualfragile, what problems? 19:55 jeffrash ok 19:55 iqualfragile see for yor self, its on my server 19:59 Jakssoul Hey-lo. 19:59 Jakssoul Why does somebody always Ping timeout when I get on here? o.O 20:00 Jakssoul Seems that way, at least. 20:00 kaeza cause nobody likes you :P 20:01 kaeza lol J/K 20:01 markveidemanis .clear 20:01 PilzAdam Jakssoul> Hey-lo. <-- TBBT? 20:01 markveidemanis /clear..soc 20:01 OldCoder Hi 20:01 markveidemanis z 20:01 OldCoder Checking 30015 20:01 Jakssoul TBBT? Huh? 20:02 PilzAdam The BIg Bang Theory 20:02 Jakssoul Oh, and hello, PilzAdam! I was just asking yesterday if you ever frequented this IRC channel. 20:02 Jakssoul I am new, but hadn't really ever seen you on here. I've been saying Hey-lo long before I'd even heard of TBBT. 20:03 Jakssoul kaeza, wanna hear something wonderful? 20:04 kaeza sure 20:04 iqualfragile fusrohda! minetest crashes when im opening the console using F10 20:04 Jakssoul In order to get back at my Fiance for her dislike of Minetest, I made a "mod" (Just a block) with her face on it. 20:04 Jakssoul She's furious. 20:04 Jakssoul :D 20:04 kaeza iqualfragile: Fus-Ro-Dah* 20:04 Jakssoul FUS. RO! DAHHHH! 20:04 kaeza Jakssoul: O_o 20:04 Jakssoul Sorry. Had to. 20:04 sapier1 is someone here who knows how to create meshes in blender that do work in minetest? 20:05 Jakssoul I mean, isn't that just the perfect idea? xD 20:05 iqualfragile sapier1: how do i manualy configure mobf then? 20:05 kaeza heh, hope you chose a nice pic of her, or she'll surely kill you instead 20:06 Jakssoul It's one I took during a Skype call while she was stretching. 20:06 Jakssoul Yeah, I'm dead. :D 20:06 iqualfragile -.- 20:08 * jordach prefers OH! DA! VING! 20:08 OldCoder 20:08 OldCoder NEWS: There is corruption in Zegaton or a bad mod. Reviewing. 20:09 OldCoder {} 20:09 OldCoder {} 20:09 OldCoder {} 20:09 OldCoder {} 20:09 OldCoder {} 20:09 OldCoder {} 20:09 OldCoder { 20:09 OldCoder I am getting that again 20:09 OldCoder 16:20:55: ERROR[main]: ServerEnvironment::deactivateFarObjects(): id=187 m_stat 20:09 OldCoder WARNING: StaticObjectList::remove(): id=187 not found 20:09 OldCoder Plus many of these 20:09 OldCoder Working on it 20:09 Jakssoul Haha! Did you guys see Casimir's response to why Minetest isn't more popular? 20:09 Jakssoul "1. The same reason people are using Apple. I don't know that reason, but it has to be the same." 20:10 OldCoder the same? 20:10 Jakssoul The same reason. 20:10 Jakssoul That people use Apple. (The unknown craziness in modern America that causes people to purchase overpriced Apple products.) 20:11 OldCoder Ah 20:11 jordach lol. 20:11 jordach we should be making mac builds 20:11 OldCoder NEWS Zegaton 30015 is back up. Please test. 20:11 Jakssoul Ick! 20:11 marktraceur Jakssoul: Link? 20:12 Jakssoul People should just get rid of Macs. 20:12 Jakssoul Link to? 20:12 Jakssoul http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4210&p=2 20:12 moltenbot Jakssoul's link: Why isn't Minetest more popular? (Page 2) - General Discussion - Minetest Forums 20:12 Jakssoul I started that thread as a simple question, but apparently I've now spawned an entire marketing plan. xD 20:13 jordach we've been doing that for a whi 20:13 jordach le actually* 20:13 jordach lolMac OSX 20:13 Jakssoul Doing what? 20:14 Jakssoul Making Mac builds or marketing? 20:14 OldCoder I am probably here for the next 12 hours except errands. MT work will proceed today. I am going out now briefly to buy fake orange juice. 20:14 Jakssoul Fake orange juice for the WINN! 20:15 marktraceur Sunny D!? 20:15 Jakssoul I hope not. 20:15 marktraceur *gasp* BLASPHEMER 20:15 Jakssoul Hahaha. 20:15 jordach marktraceur: OldCoder cant process most food. 20:16 Jakssoul So, I looked up and downloaded the entire luatut.com Tutorial on Lua, in hopes of learning more about LUA. Yeah, apparently I have NO idea as to what I'm doing, because I can't get some of the simplest things to work in my Terminal after starting Lua in it. 20:16 marktraceur Oh hm 20:16 * marktraceur buys OldCoder an extra CPU....more processing power 20:16 Jakssoul I am using their recommended SciTE IDE for it, and.. yeah. I'm obviously stupid. 20:17 * Jakssoul busts out laughing at marktraceur's comment. 20:17 marktraceur Jakssoul: I think we could probably write a much sexier tutorial for Minetest modding in Lua, it might work out more in your favour 20:17 Jakssoul Probably, because the current tutorial doesn't explain much. 20:17 Jakssoul It gives the very basics, but making new blocks isn't what I have in mind. 20:18 Jakssoul I want to be able to do some real modding for this game, to really propel it forward. 20:18 marktraceur Jakssoul: I'll see if I can't wrestle some time into my schedule for writing such a tutorial 20:18 Jakssoul I'd really appreciate it. 20:18 * marktraceur wonders if a video or audio track would be useful for that 20:18 * Jakssoul shakes his head at video... 20:19 Jakssoul I mean, it's your tutorial though. xD 20:19 tango_ wow minetest sure progressed a lot since the last time I looked at it 20:19 marktraceur Well, I can imagine that there are some people who are visual learners, who need to see something happening 20:19 Jakssoul That's true. 20:19 jeffrash how do I install mods? Just copy them into .minetest/mods/minetest? 20:19 Jakssoul Yes sir, jeffrash. 20:19 jordach tango_: welcome back 20:19 Jakssoul For most of them, that's about it. 20:20 tango_ jordach: "welcome back" is a bit of stretch, but it's good to see there's so much progress 20:20 tango_ I still won't have enough time to contribute, I'm afraid 20:20 jordach damn 20:20 jordach tango_: most people here dont remember 0.2.x like i do 20:21 tango_ I haven't looked at 0.4 yet 20:21 Jakssoul I remember.. 0.4.4. :D Hahahah. 20:21 * tango_ does a git remote-update 20:21 jeffrash I just tried to install Zeg9's skins but get an error when the server starts 20:21 tango_ wow can't find cisoun's repo anymore 20:22 Jakssoul marktraceur, if you end up making a text-based tutorial, try to make it easy to make for offline browsing. Most of my time spent on my netbook is offline. 20:22 marktraceur Jakssoul: It'll be set up as a nice HTML page, probably, with source and build instructions readily available 20:22 jordach tango_: we are not 0.3.x anymore, i dont know why it dissapeared 20:22 tango_ wait, jungle trees _still_ don't produce wood? 20:23 Jakssoul I'm a cool kid and have WebHTTrack! So, that'll work great. :D 20:23 jordach yep 20:24 tango_ why ... 20:29 jordach because most people are lazy and use jungle wood as a building material 20:29 cisoun tango_: my repo ? 20:29 markveidemanis pu si gro.tsetenim 20:29 cisoun you mean c55's repo ? 20:29 markveidemanis read backwards 20:30 tango_ cisoun: you used to have a repo 20:30 cisoun an old repo forked from minetest-delta yes 20:30 tango_ on github, a minetest-delta 20:30 tango_ yeah 20:30 tango_ whatever 20:30 tango_ doesn't matter 20:31 cisoun https://github.com/cisoun/minetest 20:31 moltenbot cisoun's link: cisoun/minetest ? GitHub 20:31 tango_ now I'm trying to cmake the latest git but it complains about missing bzip2 dev files and I can't frigging find the stupid package for them 20:31 cisoun why the hell are you looking after my repo ? o.o 20:31 cisoun it's a very old one 20:31 tango_ cisoun: I ran a git remote update 20:31 tango_ been a LONG time since the last time I did it 20:32 cisoun I am astonshed I still haven't removed it... 20:32 jeffrash !up minetest.org:30015 20:32 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.org:30015:30015 DOWN 20:32 kaeza jeffrash: !up minetest.org 30015 20:33 tango_ cisoun: you have removed it, I can't find it 20:33 cisoun It's still here though : https://github.com/cisoun/minetest 20:33 kaeza !up minetest.org 30015 20:33 moltenbot cisoun's link: cisoun/minetest ? GitHub 20:33 tango_ or, git can't find it 8-) 20:33 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.org:30015 UP 20:33 tango_ cisoun: I was following the minetest-delta repo 20:33 jordach tango_: i suggest you pull latest git at least once a month 20:33 tango_ jordach: when I used to follow the development closesy, I did it almost daily 20:33 jordach from celeron55.master# 20:34 tango_ the real question is: where are the bzip2 dev files hidden in debian? 20:34 cisoun tango_: https://github.com/erlehmann/minetest-delta 20:34 moltenbot cisoun's link: erlehmann/minetest-delta ? GitHub 20:34 cisoun why do you need minetest-delta ? 20:34 cisoun nostalgia ? 20:34 tango_ cisoun: I don't 20:34 cisoun :D 20:34 cisoun oh 20:34 tango_ I just said that git couldn't find yours on a remote update 20:34 cisoun oh well I maybe deleted the -delta repo. 20:35 cisoun I don't remember. 20:35 jordach cisoun! 20:35 cisoun sup 20:35 jordach its good to see the old guys are talking again 20:35 markveidemanis Atchhoooo 20:35 cisoun lawl 20:35 markveidemanis sorry 20:35 * jordach always preferred minetest in -dev 20:35 * markveidemanis <== he agrees 20:36 * Jakssoul Is confused about what is going on. 20:36 * cisoun eat some biscuits. 20:36 jordach because i remember the days when the forums had a noob free zone 20:36 RealBadAngel if anybody wann play with new treegen and try to design some tree models: 20:36 jordach cisoun: eats* 20:36 RealBadAngel source: https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest 20:36 cisoun yup thanks ! 20:36 moltenbot RealBadAngel's link: RealBadAngel/minetest ? GitHub 20:37 RealBadAngel simple tools for it: http://realbadangel.pl/treegen_tools.zip 20:37 cisoun I feel a little bit ill this evening. So excuse my english. 20:37 tango_ ah, there we go 20:37 RealBadAngel and a screenshot: http://realbadangel.pl/RealAppleTree.png 20:37 tango_ ok, compiling with gcc first 20:38 cisoun RealBadAngel: that's pretty funky ! 20:38 jordach cisoun: alcohol! 20:38 cisoun WHERE ?! 20:38 jordach beer + minetest + c++ = good times 20:39 jordach though this will be the result: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw2b8ENc_Ak 20:39 moltenbot jordach's link: Cyanide & Happiness - Beer Run - YouTube 20:40 cisoun Well, I'm hesitating between a belgian, swiss or dutch beer right now. 20:40 NakedFury go american 20:40 NakedFury or puertorican, Medalla 20:41 jordach cisoun: i prefer 50% alcohol whiskey 20:41 cisoun Since when whiskey is at 50% ? 20:42 cisoun I could take an absinthe too. I live near the place where the real absinthe is made. 20:42 cisoun Gaddamn I don't know. 20:42 * cisoun keeps eating his biscuits. 20:43 marktraceur thexyz: What's the URI for that wiki you set up? 20:43 Minetest-tan GIT: PilzAdam (PilzAdam) commited to celeron55/minetest: Fix 'longjmp causes uninitialized stack frame' in cURL 896e1a30b0 2012-12-26T12:41:00-08:00 20:43 thexyz marktraceur: http://api.minetest.net/ 20:43 moltenbot thexyz's link: Minetest API 20:43 NakedFury drink some Bacardi while sitting under a palm tree watching women on bathing suits 20:44 marktraceur +++ 20:45 marktraceur thexyz: Wait, is this for mods only? Or core as well? 20:45 thexyz for mods 20:45 marktraceur Hrmmm. 20:45 thexyz there's already wiki for core http://minetest.net/wiki/doku.php 20:45 moltenbot thexyz's link: 20:45 marktraceur thexyz: Would it be terrible to make it more general? 20:46 marktraceur thexyz: Doku is nice and all, but having the wiki available for both modding and general development would be great. 20:46 PilzAdam thexyz, do I miss something: http://api.minetest.net/Groups ? 20:46 moltenbot PilzAdam's link: Groups - Minetest API 20:47 thexyz this one is designed only for lua api (there're hacks for highlighter, for example) 20:47 marktraceur thexyz: IIRC the syntaxhighlighter does C++ as well 20:47 tango_ oh god make -j has locked up my computer 20:47 tango_ should have thought about it 20:47 thexyz marktraceur: it does 20:48 marktraceur thexyz: So what would the problem be? 20:48 thexyz but i also made it to make API methods into links 20:48 marktraceur Oh, cool 20:48 thexyz and I don't think it'll suit this wiki, it's named API.minetest.net, btw, what problems do you have with doku? 20:48 marktraceur thexyz: It's not as intuitive or user-friendly as MediaWiki 20:49 thexyz it's pretty intuitive if you're developer, and only developers will use it 20:49 OldCoder Back 20:49 marktraceur thexyz: That's very small thinking, and I suspect you know that 20:50 marktraceur thexyz: We're trying to lower the barrier for entry here, and doku is a step in the wrong direction 20:50 marktraceur thexyz: If you think of people as "developers" and "not developers" then you're losing a huge potential for expansion of your volunteer base 20:50 OldCoder jordach, I love food and it goes well sometimes. More food this week I seek. But it is a matter for PM. Here we shall discuss mods and not bods. 20:50 OldCoder Speaking of which... 20:50 jordach heh 20:51 OldCoder Anybody have mod updates or requests? 20:51 * jordach wonders where VanessaE got to 20:51 OldCoder Could be resting 20:51 OldCoder Has not slept enough. 20:51 PilzAdam anyway, I'm out. gotta run to the store 20:51 PilzAdam ^ jordach 20:52 jordach i know 20:52 jordach sometimes she never says if shes back or not 20:53 thexyz marktraceur: i don't like the idea of making another developer wiki when one already exists 20:54 marktraceur thexyz: The other one is stagnant. It drives people away. Splitting up modders and developers only worsens that. 20:56 marktraceur celeron55: Can I ask you to weigh in on this? If you want to hold on to the dokuwiki instance and keep people segregated, fine. But I don't want us to continue on the path of driving away contributors, and I think this is a good way to mitigate those effects. 20:56 marktraceur s/mitigate/start mitigating/ 20:56 kaeza marktraceur: +1 20:58 marktraceur For more accurate context, I'd like http://api.minetest.net to host documentation for both modding and core development, and I'd like that to happen sooner rather than later. This should ideally happen soon, because (as I've mentioned) there will be a documentation sprint in mid-January and I want this to be ready for it. 20:58 moltenbot marktraceur's link: Minetest API 20:59 thexyz marktraceur: ok, let's wait for celeron55's response 21:01 Jakssoul marktraceur: +1 21:02 Jakssoul kaeza, que haces hoy? 21:02 NakedFury could the examples used be taken from mods? so people see them in action. 21:02 kaeza coding :) 21:02 marktraceur NakedFury: What examples? 21:03 Jakssoul Quick question: How often is the idea of Mintest's name being changed brought up? I've seen people mention it in the forums pretty frequently. 21:03 NakedFury The groups of a node or tool are defined in the definiton table: 21:03 NakedFury minetest.register_node("mod:testnode", { 21:03 NakedFury -- [...] 21:03 NakedFury groups = {crumbly=1, meat=2,}, 21:03 NakedFury }) 21:03 NakedFury The rating can be any integer, but 0 is equal to nil. 21:03 Jakssoul Tienes feliz, kaeza. 21:03 kaeza O_o 21:04 jordach NakedFury: PASTEBIN. jeez. 21:04 Jakssoul ? Did I say that wrong? 21:04 marktraceur Oh I see. 21:04 thexyz NakedFury: if they're licensed under appropriate license 21:04 kaeza please sitck to english for now ^_^ 21:04 kaeza stick* 21:04 marktraceur NakedFury: Can't you edit the wiki? 21:04 Jakssoul Hahaha, I said have happiness? Oh am I wrong? 21:04 kaeza lol I figured 21:04 Jakssoul Since I don't know the word for fun.. xD 21:05 kaeza 'Estás felíz?' would be a better one 21:05 Jakssoul Oh, alrighty 21:05 NakedFury never tried but would it be a good idea or just leave them with the generic modname foofoo stuff? 21:05 kaeza Fun = "Diversión" 21:05 Jakssoul Oh that's right! 21:05 kaeza 'Te diviertes kaeza?' 21:06 Jakssoul I meant it in more of a command, not a question. 21:06 kaeza o hai leo_rockway 21:06 OldCoder kaeza, Did you indicate there may be a fix? Did you wish a test? 21:06 Jakssoul It's a common English saying, "Have fun!" (Now used generally with sarcasm). 21:07 kaeza OldCoder: I'm fixing it, not yet. I have patched LuaIRC to allow more reliable checking 21:07 kaeza Jakssoul: then "Diviértete!" or "Que te diviertas!" 21:08 Jakssoul Alrighty, thanks. 21:08 OldCoder kaeza, k 21:09 jeffrash which mod give you the menus to my places, bags, skins, etc? 21:09 kaeza jeffrash: Unified Inventory 21:12 kaeza Jakssoul: Spanish is a weird language, so no doubt strangers have some difficulty learning it 21:12 leo_rockway hello kaeza 21:13 leo_rockway and hello everyone 21:16 OldCoder kaeza, Spanish is a Romance Language or derivative. Stays with you if you learn it young. 21:16 Jakssoul Everyone needs to stop speaking anything but Latin. 21:17 OldCoder Sic Transit Gloria Mundi 21:17 Jakssoul Exactly. 21:17 kaeza I have a better idea, we should be able to telepathically impress what we mean in other people's minds! No more need for different languages! 21:18 kaeza :P 21:18 Jakssoul That would be nice too. 21:18 Jakssoul No doubt. xD 21:18 Jakssoul Sic Finit loqui de latina 21:19 kaeza Jakssoul: cheater 21:19 kaeza no Google Translate plz :) 21:19 Jakssoul Google Translate. :D 21:19 Jakssoul Hahha! 21:19 Jakssoul See, you read my mind. 21:19 Jakssoul We already have that ability! 21:20 * kaeza has evolved beyond human imagination 21:21 * Jakssoul welcomes you to where he has been since creation. 21:21 Jakssoul If you don't worship me, Brimstone and Limestone await you. ;) 21:21 kaeza /me waited impatiently for Jakssoul's answer 21:21 kaeza gawd you are slow :P 21:21 Jakssoul Hahaha! 21:29 * jordach yawns 21:31 * Jakssoul yawns. 21:31 Jakssoul Louder. 21:31 markveidemanis hi 21:32 Jakssoul Hi. 21:33 jordach O.O 21:33 kaeza hi 21:34 kaeza o hai Kacey 21:34 Kacey hello 21:34 Jakssoul Hey-lo., 21:35 Jakssoul Did you ever get Windows installed? 21:35 * Jakssoul almost vomits. 21:36 * kaeza has already vomited 21:36 Jakssoul Because of Windows? 21:36 Kacey no i installed xubuntu 21:36 Jakssoul HIGH FIVE! 21:36 kaeza \o/ 21:37 * Jakssoul puts hand up to high five! 21:37 Kacey no no high five 21:37 Jakssoul Why not? 21:37 Jakssoul Oh. Well! Okay then./ 21:37 kaeza ? 21:37 kaeza gone... 21:37 Jakssoul Somebody doesn't like Xubuntu. :( 21:37 * jordach was hosting a LAN game when suddenly: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1468189/ 21:38 Kacey i like it 21:38 Jakssoul Oh, good! 21:38 Jakssoul Well that's no fun, jordach. 21:38 jordach access_violation 21:38 kaeza jordach: access violations again? 21:38 jordach it wrote around 2000000 lines 21:38 jordach kaeza: first timer here 21:39 Jakssoul Oh! john_minetest is jmf on the forums? 21:39 kaeza jordach: that seems to happen often on Win 21:39 Jakssoul That's nice to know. 21:39 Jakssoul Hello, LunaVorax. 21:40 kaeza jordach: on linux this is usually unnoticed bc the client just dumps core 21:40 Jakssoul That's where I saw it just now. 21:41 jordach and heres the core: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1468195/ 21:41 moltenbot jordach's link: Ubuntu Pastebin 21:41 LunaVorax Hello Jakssoul 21:42 jordach kaeza: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1468195/ 21:42 moltenbot jordach's link: Ubuntu Pastebin 21:42 jordach core dump 21:43 kaeza hi LunaVorax 21:43 kaeza jordach yes 21:43 kaeza I mean on windows it seems to continue spitting Access Violations like hell 21:43 kaeza instead of just crashing 21:44 LunaVorax Hello EVERYONE 21:44 Jakssoul Hello LUNAVORAX. Haha. 21:44 Jakssoul How's it going? 21:45 kaeza LunaVorax: you seem new here 21:45 LunaVorax It's fine, I just read the latest news about gnu sed/grep leaving the FSF 21:45 kaeza lolwut 21:45 kaeza sed leaving the FSF? 21:45 LunaVorax It's not _that_ a shocking news, but the flame war around it is concerning 21:45 marktraceur kaeza: I thought the maintainer was just retiring 21:46 LunaVorax Or maybe it's that marktraceur 21:46 marktraceur http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.gnu.general/7873 21:46 moltenbot marktraceur's link: Gmane -- GNU sed 4.2.2 released, and a rant from the maintainer 21:46 marktraceur Last one I heard 21:46 LunaVorax I don't understand clearly what's going on but it's going bad 21:46 kaeza yeah, sed is a core utility in a GNU system 21:46 Kaceygame *** Kacey joined the game 21:47 kaeza oh gawd what have I done??? 21:47 marktraceur Kaceygame: This seems like....not the best place to test the IRC mod 21:47 Kacey im not testing 21:47 kaeza Kacey I told you so 21:47 Kacey im listening in 21:47 LunaVorax But it's depressing me a bit, it's like if I was reading everywhere "Who gives a shit about freedom anyway?" 21:47 kaeza but well, if you don't flood 21:48 marktraceur LunaVorax: I don't think that's the problem. I think Paolo just realized that there were some things on the technical side that weren't getting the right amount of attention. 21:48 Kaceygame i need help for a mesecon invention 21:48 leo_rockway gnutls is leaving gnu, not sed nor grep. 21:48 kaeza lol 21:48 LunaVorax Hope you're right marktraceur 21:49 leo_rockway but rms was like "no, gnutls will remain gnu. You fork if you want" 21:49 marktraceur leo_rockway: {{cn}} ? 21:49 marktraceur (citation needed) 21:49 leo_rockway marktraceur: the maintainer expressed his intention on the mailing list. 21:49 leo_rockway I don't have a link on me atm 21:50 marktraceur http://lwn.net/Articles/529558/ 21:50 moltenbot marktraceur's link: gnutls is moving [LWN.net] 21:50 leo_rockway yes, that 21:50 marktraceur Wow. 21:51 marktraceur That's quite a trend, then 21:51 leo_rockway I didn't read rms' reply first hand. But I read comments that said that he appreciates the work the maintainer has done, but GNUtls is a GNU app, so he can fork if he wants and continue his work with a different name. 21:51 Jakssoul Hey guys, what would you say is the smallest and fastest Linux distro compatible with Minetest. (Puppy isn't an option. :( ) 21:51 leo_rockway the FSF has the copyrights, but gnutls is morally Nikos' 21:52 leo_rockway so... it's kind of complicated 21:52 kaeza one more reason to hate FSF imho 21:52 kaeza that is not freedom 21:52 leo_rockway I like the FSF 21:52 leo_rockway and I like the work rms did 21:52 leo_rockway but I think it's time for him to retire 21:53 leo_rockway [sorry for the OT, btw] 21:53 marktraceur kaeza: The guy is totally free to do what he likes, that's acceptable 21:53 leo_rockway kaeza: yes, Nikos can continue working on gnutls, they asked him to fork it and name it something else. 21:53 kaeza yeah, I don't know how to say it more clearly 21:53 LunaVorax Jakssoul, ArchLinux 21:53 marktraceur kaeza: Basically the better way to put it would be "gnutls's maintainer is moving his work somewhere, and GNU is maintaining their version of it elsewhere" 21:53 leo_rockway marktraceur: did you see what happened to rms in Brazil? 21:53 Jakssoul ArchLinux scares me. 21:54 Jakssoul It scares anyone who isn't a Linux genius. 21:54 marktraceur leo_rockway: He had something stolen IIRC 21:54 leo_rockway marktraceur: no, that was here in Argentina. 21:54 marktraceur Oh hm. 21:54 leo_rockway in Brazil he freaked out... 21:54 marktraceur What happen in Brazil? 21:54 leo_rockway he asked "should I give my speech in EN or PT?" 21:54 LunaVorax Jakssoul, it is scary at first, but using it will teach you a lot of things about GNU/Linux. The documentation is excellent. 21:54 leo_rockway people said "English would be better" 21:54 leo_rockway an hour into it they told him "on second thought... maybe Spanish" 21:54 leo_rockway sorry, not PT, but ES. 21:54 leo_rockway and he got MAD 21:55 leo_rockway he had reason to be upset, but he completely overreacted 21:55 marktraceur Hm. 21:55 leo_rockway marktraceur: there's a video around, but out of respect to him I'd rather not post it here. 21:55 Jakssoul LunaVorax, I've actually been told in the past that the documentation is AWFUL. How "excellent" is it really? 21:56 marktraceur leo_rockway: Strange stuff. I can see why that might elicit an extreme reaction. 21:56 LunaVorax He's weird leo_rockway, it's no surprise. 21:56 leo_rockway marktraceur: I can pm you the link if yo uwant. 21:56 marktraceur leo_rockway: Nah 21:56 leo_rockway Jakssoul: Arch's documentation is one of the best. 21:56 leo_rockway along with Gentoo's and the BSDs 21:56 Jakssoul Then I was misinformed. 21:56 LunaVorax Jakssoul, well it guide you step by step for the installation for exemple 21:57 LunaVorax And a lot of common problems are documented 21:57 leo_rockway marktraceur: he was swearing out loud and he smashed the mic against the table. I think he's burned out and he needs to step down. 21:57 LunaVorax Jakssoul, ArchLinux users can be asses on IRC or forum. But if you precisely describe your problem and say what you've already tried, it'll be ok. 21:57 leo_rockway I know how he is, so I'm not freaked out, but new comers won't see it that way. 21:58 Jakssoul Alrighty, I'll look into it more. 21:58 leo_rockway Jakssoul: Arch has a LOT of DIY... 21:58 leo_rockway so you have to be willing to learn the ins and outs of your system 21:58 LunaVorax Jakssoul, for 100% FOSS Arch, chose Parabola, it's Arch with no closed-source component, and the people are really nice. 21:58 Jakssoul Alrighty. 21:58 mrdragons What's not free about arch? 21:58 LunaVorax Jakssoul, train yourself in a VM first 21:59 LunaVorax mrdragons, what john_minetest said 21:59 leo_rockway john_minetest: mhm. 21:59 LunaVorax mrdragons, Flash, Skype, nVidia/ATI drivers… 21:59 leo_rockway mrdragons: lots of things. Linux, for starters. 21:59 mrdragons Ah, well I don't care much about that. 21:59 LunaVorax Usually, mrdragons, the very useful softwares aren't FOSS :( (except for Flash, it sucks) 22:00 leo_rockway there are very little pieces of software without a usable FOSS alternative. 22:00 LunaVorax I won't convert you mrdragons… for now ;) 22:01 mrdragons Convert me? I usually stay away from closed-source stuff, I haven't had flash installed for months 22:01 mrdragons But I like to have the option availible 22:01 LunaVorax A FOSS Skype alternative would probably be doable, but the FSF has no extra people or money to dive into such a project. 22:01 LunaVorax Ok, I perfectly understand that mrdragons 22:01 leo_rockway LunaVorax: XMPP works quite well, but it has no landphone integration. 22:01 marktraceur LunaVorax: I've had OK success with Ekiga 22:02 marktraceur I haven't done computer-to-computer with it, though. 22:02 leo_rockway I haven't had a lot of success with SIP 22:02 LunaVorax marktraceur, I never figured out how to use Ekiga tbh 22:02 leo_rockway I used it computer-to-computer 22:02 * marktraceur has been without cell phone and using ekiga for roughly 1.5 months 22:02 leo_rockway but the best "feature" of Skype is poking holes in firewalls and always finding a way out 22:02 leo_rockway people like that security flaw... 22:03 LunaVorax leo_rockway, I never managed to make a working phone/video call via Pidgin using GTalk… and now I'll have to wait until Pidgin 3.0 because they removed the Video/Audio support because of some incompatibilities with Gstreamer 1.0 22:03 leo_rockway LunaVorax: I managed with telepathy. 22:03 leo_rockway but it had to be telepathy on both ends 22:03 leo_rockway and it worked really well for audio/video 22:03 LunaVorax Hum ok, that sucks 22:04 LunaVorax Ok 22:04 leo_rockway I tried telepathy and pidgin and they weren't talking to each other for some reason... this was about 6 months ago. 22:04 leo_rockway maybe a bit more 22:04 LunaVorax Ouch 22:05 leo_rockway nowadays I use Google's nonfree plugin :S 22:05 LunaVorax sudo pacman -S empathy >> an extra 190mo of software 22:05 leo_rockway I use Telepathy KDE 22:05 leo_rockway =] 22:05 LunaVorax I'm running XFCE 22:05 leo_rockway oh... 22:05 LunaVorax Yeah 22:05 leo_rockway then yes... 190mo sounds about right 22:05 LunaVorax I was a Gnome2 fanboy before Gnome3 22:06 leo_rockway I never liked Gnome 22:06 LunaVorax Then I switched to XFCE… and THEN I realised I should have started with XFCE from the beginning 22:06 leo_rockway I always liked KDE and E16/17. I stayed with KDE because E was talking too long to release... 22:06 LunaVorax XFCE = Gnome2 without bugs and slowdowns 22:06 leo_rockway I think XFCE is alright. I never liked Gnome, though. 22:06 LunaVorax Isn't E16/17 a pain to install and configure ? 22:07 leo_rockway not to install, just install it from the repos 22:07 LunaVorax Their website is absolutely not clear 22:07 leo_rockway to configure... and to get used to... yes 22:07 leo_rockway well, you can keep the default configs, but the beauty of E is that everything can be tweaked 22:07 LunaVorax I would love to dig into dwm 22:08 leo_rockway dwm is nice 22:08 LunaVorax LXDE is a waste of time, better getting used to openbox with your custom set of softwares 22:08 leo_rockway LunaVorax: ++ 22:08 celeron55 wm wars? icewm! 22:08 kaeza LunaVorax: what do you think of IceWM? 22:08 leo_rockway I never tired icewm 22:08 LunaVorax Never tried it, is it that popular ? 22:08 kaeza oh ninja'd 22:09 leo_rockway tried* 22:09 leo_rockway I remember trying fvwm95, hehe. 22:09 LunaVorax IceWM looks E16/17-ish 22:09 celeron55 icewm a rock solid well designed minimal windows-esque WM from the 90's 22:09 kaeza LunaVorax: Puppy Linux has it as an optional WM 22:09 kaeza and it's pretty lightweight and fast 22:09 kaeza yet full featured WM 22:10 LunaVorax I stay away from Puppy, it's nice and funny but it's too much of a "basement-distro" for me :D 22:10 celeron55 i once benchmarked on a 100-200MHz laptop: icewm was way faster at switching workspaces than fluxbox 22:10 OldCoder celeron55, kaeza I use Openbox LXPanel ROX-Filer and a number of patches and components of my own design 22:11 kaeza OldCoder: good! I like ROX Filer 22:11 LunaVorax I also use XFCE not only because it's fast and simple, but because I'm lazy, it comes with it own set of softwares. 22:11 OldCoder I have produced wrappers and scripts that integrate my browser with the desktop 22:12 LunaVorax Dunno if I'll switch to Wayland 22:18 marktraceur celeron55: Did you see the question we (myself and thexyz) had askde you above? 22:18 marktraceur asked* 22:25 Minetest Visit this: 22:25 Minetest https://epicfreeprizes.com/?ref=1951505 22:26 mrdragons Seems legit. 22:26 VanessaE about as legit as a US $3 bill maybe. 22:27 marktraceur That's a 30 dollar bill right three 22:27 marktraceur there* 22:27 Jakssoul Hahahahaha! 22:27 marktraceur (anyone else watch Storage Wars to observe evolution failing to work?) 22:27 Jakssoul I GOT IT! 22:27 Jakssoul I laughed! 22:28 Jakssoul That's a $42.39 dollar bill right der! (Waiting for the day this happens)! 22:29 jordach VanessaE: the list isnt ticking itself!! XD 22:29 VanessaE too lazy right now :-) 22:30 VanessaE hey xy. 22:30 jordach VanessaE: should i fork homedecor and add the dishwasher and washing machine? 22:30 VanessaE if you want :-) 22:30 * jordach does not do node boxes 22:30 Jakssoul VanessaE: Could you /join #threeway ? (It's not perverted, just realized how that sounds after I said it. >_>) 22:30 VanessaE I didn't put it on github just as cloud storage :) 22:31 VanessaE Jakssoul: um..no 22:31 jordach VanessaE: what parts would you consider for the washing machine? 22:32 VanessaE what parts? you mean for the recipe? 22:32 jordach mhm 22:32 jordach use pm 22:32 jordach [22:32] <@john_minetest> we just discuss about how to sell minetest on usb drives. VanessaE #threeway 22:33 jordach i hate webchat 22:33 kaeza jordach: try a *real* irc client 22:33 q66 then use a proper irc client? 22:34 * jordach is not at home and is not willing to piss up another pc 22:34 marktraceur jordach: Why wouldn't this person want you to install a tiny piece of software? 22:34 jordach dunno# 22:35 marktraceur Then do it! 22:35 marktraceur Worse yet, ask! 22:36 VanessaE PilzAdam: merge my mese update. :-) 22:36 PilzAdam whats the benefit? 22:37 VanessaE fewer people bitching about the change? ;-) 22:38 * marktraceur will bitch about the change either way :P 22:38 VanessaE PilzAdam: this update makes the old mese object available again, but stops it from spawning in newly-generated terrain, in favor of the crystals-in-stone one. also adds cross-compatibility with crystals so the old stuff can still be used. 22:39 PilzAdam we had a poll to change it to crystals 22:39 PilzAdam why change it? 22:39 VanessaE because too many people bitched and whined that the old stuff was being phased out too quickly. 22:39 kaeza bc it makes more sense 22:39 PilzAdam but more people dont do this 22:39 kaeza (for a nonsensical block) 22:40 VanessaE yes I know 22:40 VanessaE but this covers all possible use cases 22:40 VanessaE (apropos: http://xkcd.com/927/ ) 22:40 PilzAdam I want old maps to be converted to the crystal thing 22:40 PilzAdam what about this? 22:40 VanessaE they will be. 22:41 VanessaE sorta 22:41 VanessaE if old mese was there, it stays there - but as new terrain is explored, only mese crystals will show up 22:41 VanessaE so sooner or later there will be no more of the old stuff. 22:41 VanessaE I was reminded: 22:41 leo_rockway dig it all, destroy it. 22:41 PilzAdam I want the whole map converted, not only the new part 22:41 VanessaE people make structures of the old mese. 22:41 VanessaE so it can't be converted. 22:42 VanessaE such a conversion needs an abm or something so that peoples' inventories aren't disrupted. 22:42 VanessaE not suitable for inclusion in the default game imho 22:44 youlysses leo_rockway: What poor planing from the the Brazilan planner, mixed with individuals not understanding Autism? 22:45 leo_rockway youlysses: he was right to be mad. I still think that smashing the mic was an overreaction. 22:45 youlysses leo_rockway: Do you know any individuals on the spectrum? 22:45 leo_rockway youlysses: the rest of the people don't. 22:46 leo_rockway they don't have to know that he has autism. 22:46 leo_rockway they see a guy that was asked to switch languages and he reacted smashing a mic and swearing out loud. 22:46 youlysses leo_rockway: Then you educate them. 22:46 VanessaE PilzAdam: such as davidpace. \ 22:47 davidpace ? 22:47 VanessaE ;) 22:47 davidpace ... 22:47 VanessaE davidpace: nothing, just being funny 22:47 youlysses Really though, from perosnal experience... that wasn't that bad of a "tantrum". 22:47 davidpace Riiiight 22:47 youlysses *personal 22:47 VanessaE talking about the mese->crystals change and my proposed update to address everyone's latent concerns. 22:48 leo_rockway youlysses: o.o then I wouldn't like to see him in a bad tantrum :S 22:48 youlysses leo_rockway: I'm not saying him, I'm saying I know people on the autistic-spectrum, that have acted *much worse* for *much longer*. 22:49 leo_rockway oh, okay 22:49 leo_rockway I don't personally know any autistic person 22:49 leo_rockway not IRL, I think. 22:49 youlysses leo_rockway: And I don't think many do, so it probally is hard to relate. :-/ 22:52 youlysses I'm not saying it's approriate though and I do think RMS is NT-leaning enough to be able to understand he acted unprofessionally; though this defintley a factor in his personal and professional-life. 22:56 leo_rockway youlysses: when he asked people to stop recording you can tell that he realizes that he had acted unprofessionally. 22:57 davidpace Who are you guys talking about? 22:58 youlysses leo_rockway: RMS, and his little "tantrum" and the factors that influnced it. 22:58 leo_rockway davidpace: ^ 22:58 davidpace Alright :-) 22:58 youlysses leo_rockway: Oops, sorry. :-P 22:58 leo_rockway he did ask right before the talk if they preferred EN or ES... 22:59 leo_rockway so he was right to be upset 23:02 youlysses leo_rockway: I still think the whole thing could have been prevented if the event-planner would have hired a translator. Oh well, can't change the past... :-P 23:02 leo_rockway indeed 23:02 leo_rockway I would've translated if they had paid me the trip... o.o 23:03 youlysses leo_rockway: You speak brazilan? 23:03 youlysses **Portuguese. 23:03 iqualfragile short summary? 23:03 leo_rockway I speak some Portuguese. It's indeed really close to Spanish. 23:03 youlysses iqualfragile: Oh the "tantrum"? 23:04 iqualfragile i dont know, what happened? 23:05 STHGOM hallooo 23:06 davidpace Would anyone play in a survival server? Not PvP, but surviving against mobs? 23:06 jordach meh 23:06 davidpace Meh? 23:07 leo_rockway iqualfragile: he went to give his talk on free software to Brazil. He asked them if they preferred Spanish (which he speaks well, although with a very strong accent) or English. 23:07 leo_rockway they said English. 23:07 youlysses iqualfragile: RMS was going to give in a speech in Brazil. Oh the two language that are most common to be-spoken which he knew was English and Spanish; they speak Porteguese. He game a choice at the begining of which to speak. They choose English. 15 minutes into his speech, someone interputed him and said that half of them don't understand. RMS being frustrated he couldn't convey his message effectively had a mild semi-classical 23:07 youlysses "tantrum". 23:08 leo_rockway halfway through the talk, they asked him to switch to Spanish, because the couldn't understand his English. 23:08 leo_rockway Spanish and Portuguese are _very_ similar. 23:08 STHGOM hola, ola... 23:08 iqualfragile xD 23:09 youlysses iqualfragile: We were discussing how RMS actually *is* on the Autistic spectrum, and this was defintley a factor. And how this unfournate situation could have been avoided if the event organizer would have hired a translator. :-P 23:09 youlysses leo_rockway: If they're "so close", any idea why they choose English intially. 23:09 leo_rockway iqualfragile: he was like "now I don't know WTF to do" and at some point smashed the mic against the table. The audience laughed o.o. He continued in English after some frustrated screaming. 23:09 youlysses *? 23:10 leo_rockway youlysses: maybe because rms has a very strong accent in Spanish. 23:10 youlysses leo_rockway: Well I'm pretty sure they thought RMS was joking intially, which is what I thought. :-/ 23:10 youlysses leo_rockway: Ah, I see. 23:10 iqualfragile is there a video of that happening? 23:10 davidpace Would anybody play on a server like this?: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3003 23:10 moltenbot davidpace's link: [Game] Dwarves [dwarves] [0.9.6.1] (Page 1) - Minetest Games - Minetest Forums 23:11 davidpace A survival server 23:11 davidpace Not PvP 23:11 leo_rockway iqualfragile: yes, it's in YT. 23:11 youlysses iqualfragile: Yeah, it's not pretty though. And I'm not linking it to you, you can find it yourself I guess... it's against it's RMS wishes for distrubiton, and I'll respect not making that any-worse. 23:12 leo_rockway he did ask people to stop recording, so I don't really want to link to it. 23:12 iqualfragile ok 23:12 youlysses *RMS' 23:14 leo_rockway I didn't know anybody could like ESR 23:14 LunaVorax ESR? 23:15 leo_rockway Eric Raymond 23:15 leo_rockway he wrote the Cathedral and the Bazaar 23:15 youlysses john_minetest: You don't have to like him, but are you one of the individuals who have no-idea what he's actually done for the GNU/Linux system? 23:15 leo_rockway I don't agree with rms on a political level. And I don't particularly like him, not dislike him. But I think he gave us an amazing gift. 23:16 LunaVorax Ah, him 23:16 STHGOM bye 23:16 LunaVorax Isn't he a douche? 23:16 leo_rockway john_minetest: esr is kind of racist. And I say kind of to be nice... 23:16 Jakssoul I know I am, so sorry. 23:16 Jakssoul A douche, that is. 23:17 LunaVorax Jakssoul, ESR I meant :D 23:17 Jakssoul I know, just playing. ;) 23:17 youlysses john_minetest: Ok then. Most-people I seem to talk to don't seem to know that RMS did "anything" for GNU/Linux... 23:17 LunaVorax I know you know Jakssoul 23:18 Exio we know you know what he know LunaVorax 23:19 leo_rockway I think coming up with GNU GPL is the best thing rms ever did. 23:19 leo_rockway but, granted, I'm not an emacs user 23:19 LunaVorax emacs is both heaven and hell 23:20 youlysses leo_rockway: Well it depends from what you're looking at. From a legal-level, I'd agree. But Emacs *is* my DE of choice. ;-) 23:20 Zeg9 Who is RMS ? and why do we call it gnu/linux and not just linux ? Hi ! 23:20 Exio hahaha 23:20 Exio hai Zeg9 23:20 Exio btw, hi too 23:21 leo_rockway john_minetest: then read his blog what he has to say about islam. 23:22 Zeg9 Every hacker, but not every man. 23:22 Jakssoul Every man can claim hacker status. 23:22 Jakssoul *cough cough* 23:23 Jakssoul Hey, look! I can begin an HTML document! AND end it! I'm a hacker. 23:23 kaeza
Q: what's the best way to piss a web developer? 23:24 OldCoder htmlacker 23:24 Exio lol kaeza 23:24 OldCoder kaeza, What? 23:24 OldCoder Ah! 23:24 Exio hahaha 23:24 leo_rockway xD 23:24 leo_rockway kaeza: sos grosso, sabelo. 23:24 OldCoder That will make them itch 23:24 kaeza C wut I did thur? 23:24 Zeg9 Every hacker is equal when he is behind his computer << better? 23:24 Jakssoul HEY! Who here is visually creative? 23:24 kaeza leo_rockway: thx 23:24 kaeza :D 23:25 kaeza u 2 23:25 youlysses Jakssoul: Describe "visually creative". 23:25 leo_rockway john_minetest: 23:25 leo_rockway "our long-term objective must be to break, crush and eventually destroy this culture, because we can't live on the same planet with people who both carry those memes and have access to weapons of mass destruction. They will hate us and seek to destroy us not for what we've done but for what we are" 23:25 Jakssoul It's pretty obvious what I mean. 23:25 leo_rockway this is a huge OT and we can continue it on a PM if you'd like 23:25 leo_rockway but in like 2 hours, because I'm at work o.o 23:26 Exio leo_rockway: btw, where do you live? 23:26 leo_rockway Exio: CABA 23:26 Jakssoul Anyway: Multiple people in the Minetest community have been spending the last few hours trying to come up with a way to raise awareness and funds for the Minetest project. If anyone would like to be a part of the discussion, /join #threeway 23:26 Jakssoul Right now, our best bet is T-shirts. 23:26 leo_rockway get a mob that's awesome, like the creepers. Sell merchandise. 23:26 Exio CABA? wat? 23:27 leo_rockway Exio: Ciudad Autónoma de Buenos Aires. 23:27 Jakssoul Dungeon Masters. Maybe. 23:27 LunaVorax At least equality is kinda true on IRC 23:27 Exio lol 23:27 Exio just say Argentina! :P 23:27 leo_rockway Exio: but you knew that! 23:27 leo_rockway I had already mentioned it... hadn't I? 23:27 Jakssoul joardach said he may do a 3d rendering of his player skin or something. 23:27 leo_rockway maybe I hadn't o.o 23:28 Exio i didn't know you were argentinian :P 23:28 youlysses Jakssoul: No it's not. You could mean be able to come up with designs and not implement them well. 23:28 leo_rockway we can now start the Argentine Minetest Users Group 23:28 Exio hehe 23:29 Jakssoul youlysses, How about just some creative minds? 23:29 Jakssoul There 23:29 Exio why Argentine? poor kaeza 23:29 Jakssoul Let's be very pedantic. 23:29 youlysses Jakssoul: Don't have to be "snippy". :-P 23:29 leo_rockway Rioplatense Minetest User Group 23:29 Jakssoul :D Sorry. :P 23:29 Exio lol 23:29 kaeza Exio: nope 23:29 kaeza Uruguayo 23:29 kaeza :D 23:29 leo_rockway kaeza: yes, that's why he mentioned I was leaving you out of the group. 23:30 kaeza y? :( 23:30 kaeza hey! 23:30 leo_rockway leo_rockway │ we can now start the Argentine Minetest Users Group 23:30 Exio [20:29:27] Rioplatense Minetest User Group 23:30 kaeza oh 23:30 kaeza +1 23:31 Exio now i have a pink minetest :D 23:31 jojoa1997_ does anyone know if there is going to be a minetest app for android 23:32 Zeg9 Root it and install linux instead :D 23:33 iqualfragile Zeg9: -.- android is linux 23:33 Exio android is linux, like mac os x is bsd 23:33 iqualfragile jojoa1997_: no, there is not but you could root your device and install a X stack 23:34 LunaVorax Yeah no Exio, Android is more GNU/Linux than OS X is BSD 23:34 Exio iqualfragile: the only way for having access to the GPU in some X11 in android is 'killing' the interface, and you can't do that 23:34 Zeg9 by linux I ment a real linux distro... 23:34 jojoa1997_ if i have enough space could i run minetest on my tablet like on a regular pc i have a wireless keyboard and mouse 23:35 Exio LunaVorax: remove the GNU part, the entire user space uses some weird libc and the tools are messed up 23:35 Zeg9 or some sort of X yeah 23:39 Exio btw, anyone here tried to install debian or some distro in android? 23:39 Exio in android phones* :P 23:40 iqualfragile dont kill me but i have heared that ubuntu works 23:40 youlysses TMK the default distrubiton of android, above the kernel ... there's little to know GNU. It's all ran in JVM. :-L 23:40 VanessaE iqualfragile: fitting given the DE model ubuntu pushes these days 23:40 VanessaE e.g. "smartphone" metaphor. 23:41 Exio iqualfragile: native or using chroot? 23:41 jojoa1997_ People need to get android tablets. Mine has 16 gb and is soooooooooooooooooo cool. 23:41 VanessaE jojoa1997_: got an extra $100 lying around? :-) 23:42 youlysses jojoa1997_: Android tablets are real "meh" compared running one with a full GNU-based distrobution, imo. 23:42 jojoa1997_ What is GNU 23:42 VanessaE GNU's Not Unix. 23:42 * VanessaE ducks and runs 23:42 iqualfragile @devs: something about opengl seems badly unoptimized, comparing the size of the landscape i can view at a given framerate in minetest versus minecraft 23:43 Exio i want the nokia n900 back 23:43 youlysses jojoa1997_: What most people mistakenly refer to as "Linux" when they're not refering to thu kernel. :-/ 23:43 VanessaE oh here we go again 23:44 Exio wut 23:44 jojoa1997_ kernel? 23:44 youlysses *the 23:44 youlysses jojoa1997_: Trolling, or really just ignorant on the topic? 23:44 VanessaE jojoa1997_: the primary component of an operating system that handles all of the communication between devices such as video, keyboard, mouse, etc and gives your software a platform to run on 23:44 jojoa1997_ ignorant 23:44 iqualfragile youlysses: jojoa1997 _1997_ 23:44 jojoa1997_ oh thanks 23:45 iqualfragile ~= 14 23:45 Exio iqualfragile: and? 23:45 Exio it doesn't mean anything, really 23:45 jojoa1997_ take a look at this https://www.khanacademy.org/science/cosmology-and-astronomy/v/big-bang-introduction 23:45 youlysses iqualfragile: OH... true. Hell though, (s)he has internet access. That's about when I switched over to gnu-based system. :-P 23:45 iqualfragile Exio: but putting ones age into ones username does :D 23:46 VanessaE jojoa1997_: when a piece of software wants to read the keyboard, it sends a command to the kernel asking it for keyboard access. the kernel mediates that access, passing data back and forth between the program and the driver and/or hardware. 23:46 jojoa1997_ my mind is the big bang ;) 23:46 Exio hahaha 23:46 iqualfragile youlysses: hmm… yeah, it was about that time i decided against social chitchat and for computers 23:47 VanessaE (that's the simplified version of course) 23:47 jojoa1997_ so the kernal is like a train station input goes in and output goes out just to come back again with different stuff 23:47 iqualfragile jojoa1997_: yeah 23:47 VanessaE jojoa1997_: something like that 23:47 jojoa1997_ http://www.google.com/search?q=lightbulb&hl=en&client=tablet-android-asus-nexus&tbo=d&rlz=1Y3NDUG_enUS504US504&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=nozbUIKoDpSx0AHD4IGIBg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=961&bih=553#biv=i|12;d|LEYw3Sc6i-KxQM: 23:48 jojoa1997_ sorry for such a long link 23:48 Exio http://www.google.com/search?q=tablet-android-asus-nexus works too 23:48 Exio :P 23:48 PilzAdam ixquick.com works too 23:48 VanessaE you know, it's pretty sad when google doesn't automatically shorten its links using its own goo.gl URL shortener :-) 23:48 youlysses jojoa1997_: It's an exteremely important component, but if you're wanting a full &/ working "unix-like" operating system... it's not even close to the minimum. 23:49 Exio lol PilzAdam 23:49 * PilzAdam is kinda bored 23:49 davidpace jojoa I don't get what your point is on my topic on the forums 23:49 Exio PilzAdam: accept my pull request! 23:49 iqualfragile https://duckduckgo.com is quite cool 23:49 moltenbot iqualfragile's link: DuckDuckGo 23:49 VanessaE PilzAdam: and mine! 23:49 jojoa1997_ link please 23:49 Exio hahaha 23:49 VanessaE there, that takes care of ~2 minutes of time :-) 23:50 leo_rockway http://tekk.com.ar/seeks o.o 23:50 iqualfragile PilzAdam: create a mod wich allows one to go into pvp mode to fight others wich are in pvp mode (carefull, you may not switch modes after beeing hit for ~1 minute) 23:50 PilzAdam Exio, this 3 commits shout for a rebase 23:51 jojoa1997_ davidspace: this one http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4215 23:51 moltenbot jojoa1997_'s link: Would you play on a server like this? (Page 1) - General Discussion - Minetest Forums 23:51 PilzAdam VanessaE, forum poll? 23:51 VanessaE PilzAdam: none needed - I already got opinions from the detractors of the original poll. 23:51 PilzAdam iqualfragile, maybe Im too tired right now, but I think this is not possible 23:51 VanessaE those who I talked to were in agreement with my fix. 23:51 Exio PilzAdam: hehe, ok 23:52 PilzAdam Exio, and please dont open a new pull request like VanessaE does 23:52 VanessaE PilzAdam: from roughly here: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=59129#p59129 23:53 VanessaE PilzAdam: ok ok, we get it. my git skills are FAIL. :-) 23:53 Exio poor VanessaE :P 23:53 PilzAdam iqualfragile, maybe save the health of the player that disables it and restore it every serverstep 23:53 PilzAdam but this would be *really* hacky 23:54 Zeg9 bye, going to sleep now :) 23:54 PilzAdam VanessaE, Im not very happy with this change 23:54 PilzAdam the map would be inconsistent in its use of mese 23:54 VanessaE PilzAdam: neither am I. but it solves everyone's problem. 23:54 PilzAdam bye Zeg9 23:54 VanessaE it's either this or everyone continues to bitch about it. 23:54 PilzAdam not everyone 23:55 PilzAdam the majority of people voted for crystals 23:55 PilzAdam and this implies to override the existing world 23:55 Exio night Zeg9 23:55 Zeg9 About that pvp thing, what about immortal armor group thing? 23:56 PilzAdam how does this handle falling damage? 23:56 VanessaE PilzAdam: see that link I posted and also http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4191 23:56 PilzAdam seems to be a great idea 23:56 PilzAdam VanessaE, Jeija's mod solves everyones problems! 23:56 PilzAdam if you dont like crystals just install it 23:57 VanessaE PilzAdam: everyone still complains about needing his mod. 23:57 VanessaE we were wrong in trying to push this through so abruptly. It should have allowed for a gradual phase-out of the old stuff. 23:57 VanessaE my fix addresses that. 23:57 PilzAdam s/everyone/some people 23:57 jojoa1997_ the crystals mod? 23:57 jojoa1997_ mese crystals 23:58 iqualfragile nah, i like the new mese 23:58 jojoa1997_ i like the new mese also give more functionality 23:58 PilzAdam VanessaE, see? 23:58 VanessaE PilzAdam: and the old stuff is compatible with the new recipes by way of a reversible craft of two old mese to two crystals. 23:59 PilzAdam currently we craft a crystal with a stone 23:59 VanessaE I changed that. 23:59 jojoa1997_ no we craft a stone with crystals 23:59 PilzAdam s/currently/in current git/ 23:59 jojoa1997_ oh 23:59 VanessaE 0gb_us pointed out, where does the stone go when you craft old mese?