IRC log for #minetest, 2012-11-28

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00:02	jordan4ibanez	How would i go about compiling so there is no debug.txt
00:03	kaeza	minetest; rm -f ~/.minetest/debug.txt ;)
00:03	Uberi\|Away	jordan4ibanez: minetest --debug=""
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00:07	marktraceur	jordan4ibanez: There doesn't appear to be a compile option. Better than Uberi's option might be ln -s /dev/null ~/debug.txt
00:09	Uberi\|Away	ooh good idea
00:09	Uberi\|Away	over here I use a batch file to start it up
00:12	leo_rockway	so, whatever the congestion branch was doing, it was great.
00:14	jordan4ibanez	congestion branch?
00:14	jordan4ibanez	jordanjordan-A780L3L:~/Desktop/minetest-0.4.4/bin$ ./minetest --debug="" 19:14:34: ERROR[main]: Unknown command-line parameter "--debug="
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00:15	jordan4ibanez	Launched it with ./minetest --debug=""
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00:15	jordan4ibanez	got the error:
00:15	jordan4ibanez	19:14:34: ERROR[main]: Unknown command-line parameter "--debug="
00:16	leo_rockway	maybe this one? --logfile <value> Set logfile path ('' = no logging)
00:16	Uberi\|Away	oh yeah that's the one
00:17	jordan4ibanez	19:17:33: ERROR[main]: Unknown command-line parameter "--logfile="
00:18	Uberi\|Away	it's minetest --logfile ""
00:19	jordan4ibanez	There we go
00:21	jordan4ibanez	kde is quite nice, i don't know why i keep switching away from it
00:22	jordan4ibanez	Minetest runs a little faster without the logfile
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00:25	leo_rockway	<3 KDE
00:25	leo_rockway	I'm running 4.10 beta 1 :D
00:25	leo_rockway	anyway, dinner. BBL.
00:26	VanessaE	same here, time to go eat.
00:31	Uberi\|Away	hey does anyone mind if I make pistons extend/retract faster?
00:31	Uberi\|Away	your super delicate timing based piston contraptions might break
00:35	jordan4ibanez	DO IT
00:36	jordan4ibanez	I want to convert the rest of the faitful pack, but, lazy > faitful
00:38	Uberi\|Away	done dealio
00:41	NakedFury	is there a gimp script that would break a picture into smaller images in sizes selected by user? example using a terrain.png from minecraft and using the script to break the picture into 32x32 smaller images
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00:45	jordan4ibanez	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1NfWIaYed8&feature=related
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00:52	Uberi\|Away	hey VanessaE[L]
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01:00	marktraceur	NakedFury: That sounds like a super-simple ImageMagick command
01:01	VanessaE	back.
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01:13	jordan4ibanez	Redcrab, can you host a server for me?
01:13	jordan4ibanez	Or at least, can I help make yours better?
01:13	VanessaE	what do you want to do to it?
01:14	jordan4ibanez	Put technic on it 8)
01:14	VanessaE	nebver gonna happen on that server :-)
01:14	VanessaE	never*
01:14	* marktraceur	muses on the meaning of "better"
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01:16	jordan4ibanez	Since i have a hard time hosting a server on my own computer, i need someone to host for me that has a fast server
01:16	VanessaE	well you've seen how slow my server is :-)
01:16	VanessaE	and the box it runs on is no slouch either
01:17	jordan4ibanez	I've said my computer specs and my server blazes even with a ton of mods, I don't know why yours lags
01:17	marktraceur	jordan4ibanez: There are nice people who will host a server for you at the low low price of ~$19 per month
01:18	NekoGloop	Yayz k/d ratio of 2:1!
01:19	Muadtralk	jordan4ibanez
01:19	jordan4ibanez	Maudtralk
01:19	NekoGloop	And now i'm being massacerd.
01:19	Muadtralk	i would be happy to host for you just tell me your prequisites
01:19	NekoGloop	... Like the english language.
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01:21	jordan4ibanez	No thank you
01:21	Muadtralk	no?
01:21	jordan4ibanez	Server specs?
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01:27	NekoGloop	Fucking FPS noobs. Shoot once you can hit me... Not when you see me...
01:28	Dogzilla131	which server is that one
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01:54	marktraceur	Hm. Had a brain blast on the BART ride home.
01:54	VanessaE	oh?
01:54	marktraceur	Lua mods could probably integrate with other web-type services over HTTP APIs
01:55	VanessaE	interesting idea
01:55	NekoGloop	FPS logic: get shot in chest, live. get shot in foot, die.
01:55	marktraceur	My first thought was OpenBadges, Mozilla's deal....host an OpenBadges instance and (maybe) a Persona instance on a machine, use a Lua mod to keep track of "how many of X have you done", award badges as appopriate
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01:57	marktraceur	But then I thought it might be possible to integrate with MediaWiki somehow....use MediaWiki to store contents of letters or books, for example. That one's not as well-thought out, but it's certainly possible to use it for other things, like a bulletin board or library on the server.
01:59	NekoGloop	12:12 k/d ratio. Seems legit.
01:59	NakedFury	mark you want to try something like achievements tied to accounts?
02:00	marktraceur	NakedFury: Roughly so, yes.
02:00	NakedFury	Playstation Trophies, Xbox Achievements?
02:00	marktraceur	NakedFury: OpenBadges
02:01	NekoGloop	NakedFury: Did i mention the FPS game i mentioned is free (voicechat has to be bought though)
02:02	NakedFury	would that work as a logger of a players work? like have statistic about the player? Player X has mined ## number stone blocks, # of iron, etc. died # of times
02:02	NakedFury	yes you did
02:02	marktraceur	NakedFury: I'm not sure they do partial badges, but I could look more
02:04	NekoGloop	And fuck this 'GustavoAdame' person.
02:04	NekoGloop	He has 6 kills. I have 6 deaths. Do the logic.
02:04	NekoGloop	(Now 7)
02:06	NakedFury	the way I see to do it is to have accounts tied to the servers website or private forum, if any, there they can access a Statistics or Profile page where they check the games achievements and how many they have left to do, check how many miles or whatever length system is used they have walked, how many times they have jumped, and a bunch of other stuff just added for sillyness and fun.
02:06	NekoGloop	Now i have killed him.
02:07	NekoGloop	Spawn camping <3
02:07	marktraceur	NekoGloop: Care to chat about this FPS you're playing somewhere it's relevant?
02:08	NekoGloop	marktraceur: It isnt relevant anywhere.
02:08	marktraceur	NekoGloop: Then stop talking about it, maybe
02:08	NekoGloop	Fine. I'll just leave then
02:08	* marktraceur	is 120% OK with that
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02:10	kaeza	hi
02:10	marktraceur	kaeza: Welcome back!@
02:11	kaeza	Thanks mark.
02:11	kaeza	:)
02:11	kaeza	anything new?
02:11	marktraceur	kaeza: We got rid of NekoGloop for a while
02:14	marktraceur	Ooh ooh ooh, could write an OpenStreetMap mod that maps the game as you play
02:14	leo_rockway	marktraceur: but there is a map mod already.
02:14	marktraceur	leo_rockway: Link?
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02:15	leo_rockway	mmhh... hold on
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02:16	Kacey	hello
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02:16	Aggies	hello
02:16	Kacey	hey he got caps in his name now
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02:17	Kacey	wow
02:17	* Aggies	kick Kacey in the nuts with steel toed boots
02:17	leo_rockway	marktraceur: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2747
02:17	* Kacey	hits Aggies with
02:17	Kacey	SPELL-CHECK
02:18	* Kacey	hits Aggies with SPELL-CHECK
02:18	marktraceur	Eugh, seems hacky.
02:18	Kacey	VanessaE is there a new git?
02:18	* Aggies	hits Kacey with auto-fail
02:18	VanessaE	Kacey: git is updated frequently.
02:18	VanessaE	I don't know if there's anything new since you last fetched from it.
02:19	Kacey	uugh well i need to learn how to compile first (OldCoder)
02:20	* adfjjasldkjfjlwa	kick Kacey with kitten boots
02:20	* Kacey	wishes to mute Aggies
02:21	Kacey	VanessaE where can i get the new git?
02:21	VanessaE	Kacey: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest and https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game
02:21	VanessaE	same as always
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02:22	Kacey	i have minetest_game but i need the other git
02:22	VanessaE	you definitely need the other one.
02:22	VanessaE	minetest_game is just a mod pack.
02:23	Kacey	ya
02:23	VanessaE	minetest is the engine.
02:23	AGGIES	I ZO BORED
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02:23	Kacey	can you teach me how to copile
02:23	Kacey	compile?
02:23	OldCoder	Hi!
02:24	Kacey	hello
02:24	OldCoder	Kacey, I may be able to do it tomorrow
02:24	OldCoder	As soon as I speak with thexyz again
02:24	Kacey	but i need it now D:
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02:25	Kacey	hello
02:25	Kacey	<(
02:25	AGGIES	sup
02:25	kaeza	hey kacey
02:26	AGGIES	i found an awesome website
02:26	Kacey	i need to compile or at least learn to compile
02:27	kaeza	Kacey which os?
02:27	Kacey	windows
02:27	Lumpio-	It would be so much easier on Linux
02:28	Kacey	well my vm wont boot properly
02:29	AGGIES	i dj sorta
02:31	AGGIES	u guys there
02:33	Kacey	good he is gone
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02:35	leo_rockway	does water push nodes in master already?
02:35	leo_rockway	or do I still need the builtin_item mod?
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02:36	kaeza1	hey tux
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02:39	Dogzilla131	is there a command or mod that lets you see yourself
02:39	leo_rockway	no
02:40	NekoGloop	alt+f4 might work.
02:41	leo_rockway	VanessaE: how can I apply the changes of the test server? Is there a branch I can clone?
02:41	leo_rockway	NekoGloop: HaHa
02:41	VanessaE	yeah, clone the regular repo, git checkout congestion_settings
02:41	VanessaE	(or -s)
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02:41	leo_rockway	thanks
02:43	leo_rockway	VanessaE: then git pull?
02:43	leo_rockway	I'm not very knowledgeable of git...
02:43	VanessaE	nope
02:43	VanessaE	just clone or pull, then checkout and build.
02:43	VanessaE	(the clone step already grabs all branches)
02:43	leo_rockway	% git checkout congestion_setting
02:43	leo_rockway	Branch congestion_setting set up to track remote branch congestion_setting from origin.
02:43	leo_rockway	Switched to a new branch 'congestion_setting'
02:43	VanessaE	yup.
02:43	leo_rockway	okay
02:43	VanessaE	now build it.
02:44	leo_rockway	I'll build now, then. Thank you.
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02:52	marktraceur	Hm, maybe a better idea would be a live map viewer that uses some more sophisticated SQL. /me starts that
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02:53	VanessaE	wait, make sure it works with leveldb maps too.
02:53	marktraceur	VanessaE: Why? Don't modern maps all use sqlite?
02:54	VanessaE	no.
02:54	VanessaE	OldCoder and thexyz have been working on/testing using leveldb as the backend/storage method for maps
02:54	marktraceur	Hm. /me will look at it
02:54	VanessaE	it's supposed to be way faster than sql
02:54	marktraceur	VanessaE: sql, or sqlite?
02:54	VanessaE	(sqlite)
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02:55	leo_rockway	anybody knows how to fix this? http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=190&t=111342
02:56	NakedFury	marktraceur: this is what you would want? http://map.massivecraft.com/ an online active map showing all explores regions, points of interest, and players position? all configurable
02:56	leo_rockway	I'm on Debian Wheezy
02:56	marktraceur	NakedFury: Similar, yes
02:57	NakedFury	http://dev.bukkit.org/server-mods/dynmap/ and http://docs.overviewer.org/en/latest/
02:57	NakedFury	those 2 do that
02:57	leo_rockway	oh, here's my answer
02:58	leo_rockway	https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/64
02:58	Kacey	i must go
02:59	marktraceur	Looks like Overviewer is a good system to use, thanks NakedFury
03:01	marktraceur	Ooh, it's even in Python
03:02	NakedFury	didnt know, I just posted them here so you could see examples and maybe copy them
03:02	marktraceur	I'll see if I can't figure out how to support n DB formats and m mods with this system.
03:05	marktraceur	Hm, uses the Google Maps API for rendering. That's just not necessary.
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03:06	NekoGloop	Fucking crashes.
03:06	marktraceur	NekoGloop: I thought you were leaving?
03:07	NekoGloop	marktraceur: I thought you were a dick?
03:08	marktraceur	NekoGloop: I like people to stay on topic, sorry if you disagree with that, I guess we could ask the ops in the channel if they want to change the rules of IRC to fit your desires
03:08	NekoGloop	What topic?
03:09	marktraceur	NekoGloop: Minetest.
03:16	Muadtralk	http://ompldr.org/vZ2g4eA/screenshot_1157764264.png
03:16	Muadtralk	anyone have an explaination?
03:17	telek	8 bit color mode? :D
03:18	NekoGloop	Texture pack
03:19	Muadtralk	not the colour
03:19	Muadtralk	the head
03:19	Muadtralk	see how its black
03:20	VanessaE	Muadtralk: your client is out of date relative to the server.
03:20	Muadtralk	hmmmm
03:20	VanessaE	that was fixed already.
03:20	Muadtralk	i think the server is outdate relative to the client
03:20	Muadtralk	would that explain it?
03:20	VanessaE	try signing into mine
03:20	Muadtralk	i did
03:20	Muadtralk	it works fine
03:21	Muadtralk	:)
03:21	VanessaE	ok, server must be b0rk3d then :-)
03:22	Muadtralk	yep!
03:22	VanessaE	that bug was fixed right after the 3d models got pushed in
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03:34	leo_rockway	why does the player_textures mod asks for two files? I thought that the skins were only one file, spread open.
03:34	leo_rockway	oh, wait... not compatible with 3d players
03:34	VanessaE	wrong version
03:34	leo_rockway	which one do I need for 3d players skins?
03:34	VanessaE	you need the recent one
03:34	VanessaE	https://github.com/sdzen/player_textures
03:35	leo_rockway	thank you
03:35	VanessaE	clone that, put in player_somename.png for the (case-sensitive) player in question, restart the server.
03:35	VanessaE	ignore the textures it comes with
03:36	VanessaE	you have to install that mod into your games/minetest_game/mods folder
03:36	leo_rockway	yup, done that, thanks
03:36	VanessaE	it will not work properly in mods/minetest
03:36	VanessaE	ok
03:36	leo_rockway	now looking for a neat skin, hehe
03:36	NekoGloop	Do we have the imagery of the motion in the relative orders of the player model rendering?
03:37	VanessaE	huh?
03:37	NekoGloop	Do we have model animations?
03:37	VanessaE	oh sure
03:37	VanessaE	players "walk" around when the move
03:37	NekoGloop	:D
03:37	VanessaE	more animations to follow I'm sure.
03:37	NekoGloop	Digging?
03:37	VanessaE	digging too,
03:37	NekoGloop	Holding items?
03:37	leo_rockway	not yet
03:38	VanessaE	players used to "die" but that's been changed to just lying down
03:38	leo_rockway	but it's a WIP
03:38	NekoGloop	:(
03:38	VanessaE	players can sit too
03:38	VanessaE	(though nothing uses that feature yet)
03:38	NekoGloop	VanessaE: Like MC?
03:38	NekoGloop	(Falling to the left)
03:38	NakedFury	can they fly?
03:38	VanessaE	NakedFury: no.
03:38	VanessaE	NekoGloop: they used to fall backwards, like a movie character getting shot.
03:38	VanessaE	now they just lie down on their backs on dieing.
03:39	NakedFury	we need flying, drowning, swimming, crushing, falling, lava dying animations
03:39	VanessaE	(taoki had trouble with animation looping on death)
03:39	VanessaE	NakedFury: so supply them :-)
03:39	NakedFury	dont have the client yet
03:39	VanessaE	get it :-)
03:39	NakedFury	and finals are coming so I wont be able to do minetest much until its over
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03:42	VanessaE	wb kaeza
03:49	marktraceur	Damn it.
03:49	marktraceur	VanessaE: IP and port?
03:50	VanessaE	24.181.193.82 port 30000
03:50	* marktraceur	is annoyed at his own desire to play with others
03:51	VanessaE	why?
03:51	leo_rockway	VanessaE: I'm playing on my friend's server and everything goes super slow. I either didn't get the changes from that branch, or they don't work miracles like they did on your server o.o
03:51	marktraceur	Because it means I can't play on the established server
03:51	VanessaE	leo_rockway: the server admin is the one who has to apply the branch and new settings
03:51	marktraceur	s/the/my/
03:52	VanessaE	so your friend has to fetch the congestion_setting branch and tweak the associated settings.
03:52	leo_rockway	VanessaE: I'm my friend's server admin
03:52	leo_rockway	I git cloned master
03:52	leo_rockway	then switched to congestion_settings
03:53	leo_rockway	how do I tweak the associated settings?
03:53	VanessaE	oh ok
03:53	VanessaE	https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/1d330c17157998f171fb0bee15c8e3af93c6eee5/minetest.conf.example#L201
03:53	VanessaE	those last three settings.
03:54	VanessaE	I turned the rtt one to 0.6, and min rate to 50, but that was a first attempt and is far from optimal.
03:54	VanessaE	still, it did give most folks a nice boost in bandwidth
03:54	leo_rockway	okay, thank you!
03:55	VanessaE	no prob :-)\
03:55	marktraceur	Holy gods, that takes some time to download the media, eh
03:55	VanessaE	min and max rates are packets per second.
03:55	VanessaE	I think the rtt is a measure of seconds.
03:55	VanessaE	marktraceur: yeah, that server features A Metric Assload of Mods â„¢
03:55	marktraceur	Oh, hm.
03:56	leo_rockway	also, my skin didn't work... I wonder if it's because my nick has an underscore
03:56	marktraceur	VanessaE: Any server with a metric cubic metre instead?
03:56	VanessaE	and 30000 is not running the congestion_setting branch, it's running master, hence it's slow.
03:56	marktraceur	Ah.
03:56	VanessaE	um, maybe redcrab.suret.net:30401
03:56	VanessaE	:-)
03:56	VanessaE	there are a fair number of mods there
03:57	VanessaE	well that didn't take you too long
03:59	leo_rockway	well... 7 seconds of lag :S
04:01	leo_rockway	VanessaE: did you have anticheat turned off in that server too?
04:01	VanessaE	yes
04:01	leo_rockway	oh... how can I turn those off?
04:02	VanessaE	disable_anticheat = true
04:02	leo_rockway	I thought it needed code tweaking
04:02	leo_rockway	thank you
04:07	VanessaE	no prob
04:08	leo_rockway	that lowered my lag from 7 seconds to 4 seconds
04:14	NekoGloop	My lag is 90 minutes.
04:16	leo_rockway	I can't get the skins to work :S
04:21	marktraceur	Whoa. Crash.
04:22	NekoGloop	Whoa. Bang.
04:27	mrtux	good night
04:27	leo_rockway	VanessaE: this is where I have the skins mod: /usr/share/minetest/games/minetest_game/mods/player_textures
04:27	mrtux	@all: please don't message me while i'm sleeping
04:27	leo_rockway	in there there's a folder called "textures"
04:28	mrtux	etc
04:28	leo_rockway	with this file: player_leorockway.png
04:28	mrtux	goodnight
04:28	leo_rockway	\Ã¸ night
04:28	leo_rockway	but I am not seeing the skin
04:30	VanessaE	looks good.
04:30	leo_rockway	no skin :S
04:30	leo_rockway	I'm logging in with a second client
04:31	leo_rockway	still green shirt
04:31	VanessaE	you have to make sure you sign in exactly as leorockway without the underscore
04:31	leo_rockway	yup, I had the underscore before, and the file had the underscore
04:31	VanessaE	and that your world is actually using that game
04:31	leo_rockway	but I thought that maybe that was confusing the mod
04:31	leo_rockway	oh... mmhh... maybe my world is using minimal
04:31	VanessaE	possibly.
04:31	leo_rockway	no, it's not, because the mod is being loaded
04:31	leo_rockway	I added a print to it
04:32	leo_rockway	so my username is indeed leorockway
04:32	leo_rockway	and the name of the file is player_leorockway.png
04:32	leo_rockway	but still no Star Trek uniform o.o
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04:37	leo_rockway	I added a print inside if io.open(filename..".png") then
04:37	leo_rockway	and the print shows up... so that's working too
04:38	leo_rockway	weird
04:40	VanessaE	very trange
04:40	VanessaE	very strange
04:40	VanessaE	are you sure that /usr/local/share/minetest/games/minetest_game is actually what's being used?
04:40	VanessaE	rather than a run-in-place build?
04:41	leo_rockway	yup, I just built it
04:41	leo_rockway	no local
04:42	OldCoder	Will somebody help me to test a new avatar?
04:42	OldCoder	You simply need to log in
04:42	leo_rockway	OldCoder: sure
04:42	leo_rockway	this is were I put the file: /usr/share/minetest/games/minetest_game/mods/player_textures/textures/player_leorockway.png
04:42	leo_rockway	it's an actual png
04:42	OldCoder	leo_rockway, one moment
04:42	OldCoder	Hmm
04:42	leo_rockway	this one: http://minecraftgallery.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/TNGcom.png
04:42	OldCoder	Actually I made a new one I wish to test
04:43	OldCoder	But I will add yours too
04:43	OldCoder	Hold on
04:43	leo_rockway	OldCoder: no, I was talking to VanessaE, hehe
04:43	OldCoder	Ah
04:43	leo_rockway	I was testing the skins too
04:43	leo_rockway	but it's not showing up for me
04:43	OldCoder	Let's try
04:45	OldCoder	leo_rockway, willing to join:
04:45	OldCoder	minetest.org port 30004 as leo
04:45	OldCoder	lower case?
04:45	leo_rockway	okay
04:46	OldCoder	Hold on ty
04:47	leo_rockway	I'm joining already
04:47	leo_rockway	62% media
04:47	OldCoder	Yes
04:47	OldCoder	I see you
04:47	OldCoder	Sorry about the delay
04:48	leo_rockway	I don't see anything yet, still loading, hehe
04:48	OldCoder	leo_rockway, Joining as "leo" and world 30004 not 30000 ?
04:48	leo_rockway	yup
04:48	OldCoder	Works
04:49	OldCoder	I will screenshot
04:49	leo_rockway	media finished loading
04:49	OldCoder	Wait
04:50	OldCoder	Hold still a minute ty
04:50	leo_rockway	Steve o.o
04:50	OldCoder	This one is funny
04:50	OldCoder	Got him
04:50	OldCoder	leo thanks
04:50	OldCoder	I will post shortly
04:50	leo_rockway	why are you 2d?
04:50	OldCoder	These are 2D avatars
04:51	OldCoder	Not 3D
04:51	leo_rockway	oh, okay
04:51	OldCoder	I don't have 0.4.4 yet
04:51	OldCoder	No LevelDB
04:51	leo_rockway	alright
04:51	OldCoder	Dogzilla
04:51	OldCoder	made himself an avatar
04:51	OldCoder	A scary one
04:51	OldCoder	Boo!
04:51	leo_rockway	what's LevelDB?
04:51	OldCoder	A format that fixes the 4GB limit and is faster
04:51	OldCoder	Also less corruption
04:51	leo_rockway	alright
04:52	leo_rockway	well, I'll leave now
04:52	OldCoder	Want to
04:52	OldCoder	see
04:52	OldCoder	yourself?
04:52	OldCoder	You can leave the game
04:52	OldCoder	I mean a screenshot
04:52	leo_rockway	yes, post the screenshots, hehe
04:52	OldCoder	Sure
04:52	OldCoder	Working
04:53	OldCoder	http://minetest.org/dogshot.png
04:53	OldCoder	Boo!
04:53	OldCoder	^ Screenshot
04:53	OldCoder
04:53	leo_rockway	that's scary o.o
04:54	OldCoder	Yep!
04:54	OldCoder	Too much to take!
04:54	leo_rockway	hehe
04:54	OldCoder	VanessaE, ^ Danger!
04:54	VanessaE	?
04:55	OldCoder	Dangerous character!
04:55	OldCoder	http://minetest.org/dogshot.png
04:57	VanessaE	heh
04:57	VanessaE	weird is what it is :-)
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04:58	M13_	hello, all
05:01	OldCoder	M13_, Hi
05:01	OldCoder	VanessaE, As I understand it his name is S173
05:01	OldCoder	and he is very dangerous
05:01	OldCoder	O_O
05:02	VanessaE	heh
05:02	OldCoder	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r7bqdNyu80
05:02	OldCoder	I have not seen that video
05:02	OldCoder	It is said to feature our friend in action
05:04	M13_	im going to my Facebook cyah all
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05:15	kaeza	hi
05:17	OldCoder	kaeza, Hi back
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07:10	khonkhortisan	my signs aren't weatherproof
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07:14	Aqua	hi
07:14	khonkhortisan	hello
07:14	VanessaE	hi
07:15	khonkhortisan	Know how to hide a railroad switch but have it still work?
07:15	VanessaE	no clue
07:15	khonkhortisan	I'm using two switches and a loop to make a one-way track and I don't want anyone switching it the wrong way
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07:16	VanessaE	bury it one node deep and cover over it with leaves or junglegrass or so?
07:17	VanessaE	will it still work then?
07:22	Aqua	whats the previous stble version of minetest?
07:22	khonkhortisan	is there a block that's all one color and doesn't have lines on the edges?
07:22	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: homedecor curtains or large area rugs
07:23	VanessaE	they tile fine but the game's lighting bugs make that a moot point
07:23	VanessaE	(signlike and nodebox objects don't get smoothly lit as you know)
07:23	khonkhortisan	I'm just trying to give the illusion of not moving between the slits
07:24	celeron55	http://fi2.eu.apcdn.com/full/63751.jpg
07:24	khonkhortisan	(been afk)
07:24	VanessaE	ah
07:24	VanessaE	celeron55: epic :-)
07:24	khonkhortisan	hahaha nice printer!
07:24	khonkhortisan	it's better with the ad at the bottom
07:25	Aqua	whats the previous stble version of minetest?
07:25	khonkhortisan	0.4.3?
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07:57	Aqua	hi
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08:36	* OldCoder	is asleep
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08:56	VanessaE	morning Calinou
08:56	Calinou	hi
09:01	* Calinou	is playing some openarena
09:01	VanessaE	cool
09:19	OldCoder	Back!
09:19	OldCoder	VanessaE, don't you need rest?
09:19	VanessaE	good morning OC
09:19	OldCoder	Hey
09:19	OldCoder	<--- Can't sleep
09:19	VanessaE	oh sure, but some nights (light tonight) I have to completely burn out before I can sleep.
09:19	OldCoder	All right
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09:50	VanessaE	hey Taoki.
09:50	Taoki	hi
09:54	OldCoder	Hi!
09:55	Calinou	hi
09:57	OldCoder	Calinou, gm
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10:20	Ragnar_	hi
10:21	Ragnar_	VanessaE hi :D
10:21	VanessaE	hi
10:22	Ragnar_	:D
10:22	Ragnar_	hey can you help me with a mod?
10:22	VanessaE	like what?
10:22	Ragnar_	it needs me to use NodeBoxes...
10:22	Ragnar_	but idk how to use them... :(
10:22	VanessaE	drawtype = "nodebox",
10:22	Ragnar_	wait...
10:22	Ragnar_	opening Notepad++...wait a sec...
10:22	VanessaE	in your register_node() call.
10:23	VanessaE	then at the bottom of the call,
10:23	VanessaE	node_box = {
10:23	VanessaE	type = "fixed",
10:23	VanessaE	fixed = {
10:23	VanessaE	{x1,y1,z1,x2,y2,z2},
10:23	VanessaE	{x1,y1,z1,x2,y2,z2},
10:23	VanessaE	{x1,y1,z1,x2,y2,z2},
10:23	VanessaE	.... for as many as you need
10:23	VanessaE	}
10:23	VanessaE	}
10:23	Ragnar_	do i first register a note or i just type draw="notebox" ,
10:24	Ragnar_	cause i want to make like doors, but just in a diffrent shape and they move diffrent too...
10:24	Ragnar_	and thats why i need that...
10:24	VanessaE	x1,y1,z1 specify one corner of a nodebox, x2,y2,z2 specify the diagonally opposite corner, in 3d space, relative to the center of the node. 0,0,0 is center, -/+ 0.5 is the edges.
10:25	VanessaE	all of this goes inside your register_node() call.
10:25	VanessaE	for example,
10:25	VanessaE	(pastebin in a sec..)
10:26	VanessaE	http://pastebin.com/Z2yy5tZm
10:26	VanessaE	^^^ draws a simple little almost-cube-shaped object.
10:26	VanessaE	it's the "small" speaker from home decor.
10:27	VanessaE	more complex example:
10:27	VanessaE	http://pastebin.com/cxRfsHSW
10:28	* Calinou	tried to make some C++ fix to prevent head from shifting downwards when inside a nodebox/transparent block, and miserably failed again
10:28	VanessaE	white glass-and-wood lattice door, but with the drop/after_dig_node/on_punch stuff stripped out (you don't need that yet)
10:28	VanessaE	Calinou: if you can fix that I would be forever grateful
10:28	Ragnar_	xD
10:28	Ragnar_	NO PLEASE NO!!! im too young for complex coding... :(
10:28	VanessaE	it's FUCKING ANNOYING. :-)
10:28	VanessaE	Ragnar_: relax, "more complex" = "more nodeboxes in the node".
10:28	VanessaE	nothing more than that.
10:28	Ragnar_	ow :D
10:29	Ragnar_	well a door doesnt need more noteboxes :D
10:29	Calinou	it's actually very simple -- check if drawtype of a node is "normal" AND walkable, if it is both, then shift head downwards when inside block
10:29	Ragnar_	i think...
10:29	Ragnar_	and...it isn't a door...its a cell cage :D
10:29	Ragnar_	or a cell cage door...idk, im estonian :D
10:29	VanessaE	Ragnar_: in the first pastebin example, you can see how I drew a single cuboid to make the speaker. In the second example, you can see how I put several variously-sized nodeboxes together (one of which is actually 2d because z1=z2) to make a more detailed shape.
10:30	Ragnar_	ow :D
10:31	VanessaE	Ragnar_: the 'selection box' line should be sized to cover the entire shape of the object you're creating. If it's thin and tall, make the selection box fit it, etc.
10:31	Ragnar_	if im making a door-ish thing, do i need to put in the ..._top.png?
10:31	VanessaE	same format as node boxes.
10:31	VanessaE	no, not right away you don't.
10:31	VanessaE	I'm just obsessive, so I texture all six directions/faces.
10:31	Ragnar_	tiles = {
10:31	Ragnar_	'homedecor_speaker_top.png',
10:31	Ragnar_	'homedecor_speaker_bottom.png',
10:31	VanessaE	you can use just one or two if that is all you need.
10:31	Ragnar_	'homedecor_speaker_right.png',
10:32	Ragnar_	those are starting from line 4...
10:32	VanessaE	no, the _top, _bottom, etc. are just the filenames I used. They can be anything you want.
10:32	Ragnar_	i know...
10:32	Ragnar_	but does a door need those ..._top and ..._bottom images+
10:32	VanessaE	_top, _bottom, etc. have no meaning to the nodeboxes aside from making it easier for you to read your own code :D
10:32	Ragnar_	?
10:33	VanessaE	no. Use as few or as many texture as you need (up to 6 of course) to get the job done.
10:33	VanessaE	the simplest object could be textured with just one filename.
10:33	* Calinou	got MT to build with an attempted fix
10:33	* OldCoder	is asleep
10:33	VanessaE	for example, those steel bars in 3dforniture? I think those use only three textures. They could just as easily use only one if the engine didn't have that nodebox lighting bug.
10:34	Ragnar_	hey vanessa...i have a problem with my minetest...i start it, and then the screen is white and the textboxes/buttons are black...
10:34	Ragnar_	why?
10:34	VanessaE	no idea. video driver bug probably?
10:34	VanessaE	broken, corrupted, or missing video driver is my only guess
10:35	Ragnar_	ow...
10:35	VanessaE	heh
10:35	VanessaE	laptop ping'd out.
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10:35	Ragnar_	who was VanessaE[L]
10:35	Ragnar_	ow :D
10:35	VanessaE	it must have finally shu....nope, there it is.
10:35	VanessaE	Ragnar_: that's just my IRC client on my laptop in the other room.
10:35	Ragnar_	ow :D
10:38	Ragnar_	selection_box is the black outlines when you'r crosshair is over it?
10:40	VanessaE	yep
10:40	Ragnar_	ow :D
10:41	Ragnar_	then the node_box is the model itself :D
10:41	Ragnar_	i need explanations :D
10:41	Ragnar_	sunlight_propagates
10:41	Ragnar_	tell me what does it mean...
10:41	VanessaE	means sunlight will pass through to the nodes underneath/behind
10:42	Ragnar_	ow :d
10:42	Ragnar_	then its true...
10:42	Ragnar_	cause my door-ish thing is...i remembered :D cell bars :D
10:42	VanessaE	true if you want the object to let light through, false if you want the object to be opaque.
10:42	VanessaE	right
10:42	VanessaE	so "true" in this case.
10:42	Ragnar_	paramtype
10:42	Ragnar_	yeah :D
10:42	Ragnar_	and paramtype2
10:42	Ragnar_	what do they do...
10:42	Calinou	got it to work :D
10:42	* Calinou	pull requests
10:42	VanessaE	paramtype I always set to "light" because I don't use it.
10:43	Ragnar_	but what does it do?
10:43	VanessaE	paramtype2 I usually set to 'facedir', which then makes param2 set the direction the object faces.
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10:43	Ragnar_	ow so i'll leave it like that?
10:43	VanessaE	paramtype/paramtype2 tell the engine what the meaning is of the param and param2 variables.
10:43	Ragnar_	ow ok... :D
10:43	Ragnar_	ill leave it like that just in case...
10:43	VanessaE	so if you set paramtype2 to "facedir", then param2 holds a value that equals the face direction of the object :-)
10:44	VanessaE	I forget what other values those variables can take.
10:44	VanessaE	wallmounted I think is one,
10:44	VanessaE	for signs.
10:44	Ragnar_	wait...
10:44	Calinou	looks like it fixes another collision bug related to wall stairs
10:44	VanessaE	but in your case, you don't want that probably.
10:44	Ragnar_	a door is drawtype = "signlike"
10:45	VanessaE	yes, a door usually is if it's 2D - unless you make it out of nodeboxes.
10:45	Ragnar_	ow :D
10:45	Ragnar_	well then its signlike :D
10:45	VanessaE	when it's made of nodeboxes, the drawtype is nodebox :-)
10:45	VanessaE	and signlike is meaningless then.
10:45	Ragnar_	ok :D
10:45	VanessaE	Calinou: explain?
10:46	VanessaE	Calinou: which collision bug?
10:46	Ragnar_	but in the doors/init.lua there isnt a paramtype...only paramtype2...
10:46	Ragnar_	why?
10:46	Calinou	when you place wall stairs (from stairs+ mod), if you go "inside" them then try to go away you'll be stuck unless you turn around and press "forward"
10:46	VanessaE	because I don't use it :-)
10:46	VanessaE	I leave it at its default setting.
10:46	Ragnar_	ow :D
10:47	VanessaE	Calinou: ah, haven't run into that one yet
10:47	Ragnar_	groups = { choppy=2, dig_immediate=2 }
10:47	Ragnar_	whats this?
10:47	Ragnar_	ow and...how to convert sounds in to .ogg files?
10:47	Ragnar_	:D
10:48	Ragnar_	just asking...
10:48	ruskie	get a wav and oggenc it
10:48	VanessaE	Ragnar_: a groups= line specifies various special parameters, which depends on other mods to interpret. Each is different. In this case, it means that the object responds to tools that can cut "choppy" items.
10:48	VanessaE	ogg files, you use an audio editor like audacity or whatever to save your sounds as ogg.
10:48	Ragnar_	ow :D
10:48	Ragnar_	cool :D
10:48	Ragnar_	hey can you do that for me?
10:48	VanessaE	no :-)
10:48	Ragnar_	why?
10:49	Ragnar_	please :D
10:49	VanessaE	because I'm too tired :-)
10:49	Ragnar_	1 short sound :D
10:49	Ragnar_	not now...someday?
10:49	VanessaE	oh sure, maybe
10:49	Ragnar_	yay :D
10:49	Ragnar_	wait...i'll need 2 short sounds...
10:49	VanessaE	Calinou: nu, so where is this pull request, eppes? :-)
10:49	Ragnar_	1. Cell Bars Opening ; 2. Bar Cells Being Hit...
10:49	ruskie	Ragnar_, if you have the wavs you just need an oggencoder(on linux systems this is usually already included as oggenc)
10:50	Ragnar_	ow :D
10:50	VanessaE	Ragnar_: start by looking on freesound.org - maybe the sounds you want to use already exist. Pick one with a good license.
10:50	Ragnar_	and with RealConverter i can convert an .mp3 into a .wav :D
10:50	Ragnar_	ok :D
10:50	Ragnar_	but how do i make the node un-brakable?
10:51	Calinou	https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/310 < why do I have 6 commits and not one?
10:51	VanessaE	don't put it in any digging groups
10:51	Calinou	:<
10:51	VanessaE	(no choppy, no cracky, etc)
10:51	Calinou	Ragnar_: realconverter... facepalm
10:51	Ragnar_	xD
10:52	Calinou	vlc can convert audio, amirite?
10:52	VanessaE	Calinou: because you forgot to git pull before you started your patch.
10:52	Calinou	clementine can, I know that
10:52	VanessaE	vlc can I think yes. mplayer/mencoder also.
10:52	Ragnar_	wait it can?
10:52	Calinou	it's an awesome music player from windows/mac/linux :D
10:52	Ragnar_	WOW
10:52	Calinou	for*
10:52	Ragnar_	thanks teacher :D
10:54	* Calinou	pokes thexyz: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/310
10:54	VanessaE	Calinou: afaik, only the one commit with the working code will end up being merged,
10:54	VanessaE	but you should back out your changes and re-apply them against a fresh git master
10:54	VanessaE	just to avoid the excess commits :-)
10:54	VanessaE	otherwise PilzAdam will kick your ass :D
10:56	Calinou	ok, third and last attempt
11:00	Calinou	https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/311 there :D
11:01	VanessaE	much better :D
11:01	VanessaE	oh that's truly sad
11:01	VanessaE	all that trouble for a one-line fix
11:01	VanessaE	:)
11:02	Calinou	C++ level increased by 1. Total (3)
11:04	VanessaE	heh
11:04	VanessaE	now let's see how long it goes before someone merges it :-)
11:07	* Calinou	seen this screenshot in the "fix fullscreen not working" pull request: http://ompldr.org/vZ2QyZg
11:07	Calinou	someone's trying to code with MS word :P
11:07	Calinou	and... internet exploder
11:09	ruskie	people do crazy things each and every day
11:09	Kray	what makes you believe he is trying to code with MS Word?
11:10	Kray	it being open doesn't mean he uses it for coding
11:10	Kray	nor having IE available not even running means actually using it
11:15	Calinou	Kray: I know :P
11:15	Calinou	he's using VS
11:20	VanessaE	to be fair, I've used Abiword once or twice to write code, though I don't remember now why I did that :-)
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12:24	VanessaE	ok, time to sleep. night all.
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12:51	NekoGloop	VanessaE[L]: Problems with internets, or laptop just being iffy? :3
12:53	ruskie	she's asleep
12:54	NekoGloop	What makes you think that?
12:54	NekoGloop	If it was an autojoin it wouldnt have taken as long.
12:56	ruskie	[13:24:45] <VanessaE> ok, time to sleep. night all.
12:56	ruskie	and it's now 13:56
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13:24	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
13:25	NakedFury	hi o/
13:28	jin_xi	hi adam
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13:29	NekoGloop	Meow :3
13:35	PilzAdam	according to this i will merge the new doors mod: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=53840
13:39	ruskie	mmm that sounds nice
13:39	ruskie	I want locked doors
13:40	thexyz	anyone willing to help? http://wapi.minetest.ru/
13:45	PilzAdam	merged
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14:28	sfan5	new minetest build!
14:29	sfan5	http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/c55/minetest-0.4.4-655bb52-win32.7z
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16:01	OldCoder	babyface1031, Hey
16:07	Taoki	redcrab: poke (and hi)
16:09	babyface1031	hey OldCoder
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16:15	OldCoder	Jordach, Good afternoon
16:15	Jordach	hello OldCoder
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16:16	OldCoder	VanessaE, Good morning to you
16:18	Jordach	good afternoon Taoki
16:18	Taoki	hi
16:19	Taoki	redcrab: Just letting you know 3D players are upstream for a few days. So maybe you can update your server and minetest_game so they will work there too :) I think we checked last night and no 3D players on your server yet.
16:19	Taoki	**since a few days
16:19	Jordach	Taoki - we need connected textures
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16:20	Taoki	connected textures?
16:20	Jordach	google it
16:20	Taoki	ah, that would be nice
16:20	Jordach	http://imgur.com/a/bP0Xy
16:21	Jordach	or look at these, the mc clone of 64dots supports it
16:22	Taoki	yeah, would be nice. Don't think I can help there sadly
16:22	Taoki	Need to go now also, brb in 2 hours or so
16:22	OldCoder	c u
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16:23	Jordach	hello Calinou
16:25	Jordach	anyone here got a 3d player server?
16:25	Calinou	hi
16:25	PilzAdam	Jordach, minetest.ru:12345 has 3D players
16:25	Jordach	latest git too?
16:26	PilzAdam	it was updated yesterdy
16:26	* Calinou	bets 1 mese it's empty
16:26	* Calinou	seen this in git log:
16:26	Calinou	Author: Calinou <calinou9999spamgmail.com>
16:26	Calinou	Date: Wed Nov 28 11:59:19 2012 +0100
16:26	Calinou	Fix head shifting downards in glass, nodeboxes...
16:26	Calinou	WOO :D
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16:27	Jordach	:D
16:27	Calinou	my fix got comitted :)
16:27	Calinou	going to add this to changelog
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16:27	* Jordach	is unzipping the git
16:32	jin_xi	ok, painting mod fixed... seems some other stuff defines its own variable colors. duh
16:33	Calinou	http://dl.dropbox.com/u/82342922/0.4.x-changelog.txt link to latest changelog
16:33	Calinou	now that is a big changelog :>
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16:35	PilzAdam	Calinou, whats about animated fire?
16:36	PilzAdam	also new locked steel doors added
16:37	Calinou	ah yeah, forgot about these
16:38	Calinou	PilzAdam: you should commit your mod that destroys items in lava, imo
16:38	Calinou	and pushes items in water (if it doesn't eat too much resources)
16:39	PilzAdam	the water thing is a hack
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16:40	Calinou	well then, commit the part of builtin_item that destroys items in lava :)
16:40	PilzAdam	Calinou, you should update the brick texture in the minetest wiki
16:40	* Calinou	needs to install blender first :)
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17:08	hmmmm	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKLrj3UFqQI
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17:36	Calinou	PilzAdam: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/59 poke :)
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17:36	Calinou	(this also fixes inconsistency in spacing :P)
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17:38	PilzAdam	any PVP server with this?
17:38	Calinou	no, i just spent 20 minutes trying a lot of values around :P
17:38	PilzAdam	this need to be tested
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17:39	pskosinski	konichiwa!
17:40	PilzAdam	Guten Tag!
17:40	* OldCoder	is AFK briefly on an errand
17:40	OldCoder	Hi
17:41	Calinou	idea: i'll host a server for the lulz, then OldCoder, PilzAdam and others can come play :)
17:41	Calinou	80.118.209.33 port 30000
17:43	Calinou	restarted
17:43	Calinou	i didn't have any privs :p
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17:48	pskosinski	Are there many differences between 3 and 4.3 version?
17:49	pskosinski	0.3, 0.4
17:49	PilzAdam	umm, yes
17:50	pskosinski	ah, nvm >.> to install mods I woul dneed 4.3 anywayâ€¦
17:50	pskosinski	would need
17:50	pskosinski	Debian as always outdated as hell
17:50	PilzAdam	c55 just said 0.4.4 will be released soon
17:50	PilzAdam	if you are on Linux compile yourself
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17:52	Calinou	pskosinski: loldebian
17:52	Calinou	there is no 0.4.x, even in debian unstable/ubuntu anyway :P
17:52	pskosinski	yes
17:53	PilzAdam	Calinou, what do you think of increasing the damage that the steel sword kills with 2-3 hits?
17:55	PilzAdam	If you carry apples while fighting you are currently unbreakable
17:55	Calinou	what when you run out of apples? :p
17:55	Calinou	also, to have a lot of apples, it takes time
17:56	Calinou	no apples on trees generated by map
17:56	PilzAdam	true
17:56	Calinou	weapon damage shouldn't be too high, don't make minetest minecraft :p
17:56	PilzAdam	what about bread if it gets added to upstream?
17:56	Calinou	(it used to be really high in MC: diamond sword did 5.5 hearts)
17:56	pskosinski	Are there bananas?
17:56	Calinou	in mods, yes
17:56	Calinou	let's add bananas that kill in one hit
17:56	Calinou	:D
17:57	PilzAdam	Calinou, MT will never be like MC because it has full_punch_interval
17:57	pskosinski	banana-boomerangs
17:57	Calinou	we need some eating time/delay then
17:57	Calinou	give health progressively after eating food
17:57	Calinou	(delay should be configurable of course)
17:59	pskosinski	Can someone remind me how to make makefile? ^^
18:01	Calinou	cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE
18:01	Calinou	run this in minetest's folder
18:01	Calinou	cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1
18:01	Calinou	oops
18:01	pskosinski	ty
18:01	Calinou	run in place puts config files in minetest's folder, not your home .minetest folder
18:01	pskosinski	ok, thanks :)
18:02	PilzAdam	alias minemake = "make . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 && make -j16"
18:02	PilzAdam	thats what i use
18:02	pskosinski	16 O.O
18:03	hmmmm	i do 16 as well
18:03	PilzAdam	i have 8 cores
18:03	hmmmm	CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1230 V2 @ 3.30GHz (3292.60-MHz K8-class CPU)
18:03	Calinou	PilzAdam: you need to cd src first
18:03	Calinou	hmmmm: price? :p
18:03	PilzAdam	no
18:03	hmmmm	$240
18:03	Calinou	huh
18:04	Calinou	8 core CPU for $240? hax
18:04	hmmmm	hyperthreading
18:04	Calinou	so you have 4 core
18:04	* Jordach	does a make -j16 on a p4
18:04	Calinou	and you should use -j8 not -j16
18:04	hmmmm	it's basically an i7-3770 without intergrated graphics
18:04	hmmmm	no, you should do twice the number of cores/threads/whatever
18:04	Jordach	and the bullshit
18:04	hmmmm	to make sure all threads are saturated
18:04	Calinou	yes, and it has four physical cores
18:04	Calinou	and 8 virtual cores
18:04	Calinou	thus: -j8
18:04	Calinou	uses 100% CPU on my computer
18:04	Calinou	i7 2600k
18:05	hmmmm	well that's not the point
18:05	hmmmm	i don't really think it makes too much of a difference
18:05	hmmmm	it depends on your OS's scheduler
18:07	pskosinski	errors, errors everywhereâ€¦
18:07	hmmmm	aerror! aerror!
18:07	hmmmm	pskosinski, i bet the problem is that you didn't remove CMakeCache.txt
18:08	hmmmm	remove all 'CMake' files except for the cmake directory and CMakeLists.txt
18:09	pskosinski	no, screw it, will download package ^^
18:10	Calinou	pskosinski: did you install deps
18:10	Calinou	http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3837 try this, too :D
18:13	thexyz	why do you `cd src`?
18:13	pskosinski	I didn't have one dependency. :x
18:13	pskosinski	libopneal-dev â€¦
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18:14	thexyz	lol @ search bar http://multa.bugs3.com/upload/Picture%201.png
18:14	Calinou	someone's googling how to screenshot on a mac
18:14	PilzAdam	heh
18:14	Jordach	trololololololololololololololololol
18:14	Calinou	lolfirefox
18:14	Jordach	lolChromium
18:15	Calinou	someone's looking at the cost of pennies
18:19	thexyz	any suggestions for http://wapi.minetest.ru/ logo?
18:19	thexyz	(this site will replace current http://api.minetest.net/ one day, I hope)
18:19	PilzAdam	default minetest logo?
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18:21	Calinou	I like the logo from the minetest.net proposal, it has better shadows :P
18:21	Jordach	http://c55.me/~celeron55/random/2012-11/mods/
18:21	Jordach	huh, some mods and TNT
18:21	PilzAdam	blockmobs is realy interesting
18:22	OldCoder	thexyz, I'll seek your advice in a few minutes
18:22	Jordach	anyone ere got latest git server?
18:22	Jordach	(bar minetest.ru)
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18:26	thexyz	bar?
18:27		Penguin joined #minetest
18:27	Jordach	bar == not
18:28	thexyz	oh, right, nobody loves minetest.ru
18:28	PilzAdam	I do
18:28	OldCoder	It is wonderful
18:29	PilzAdam	but it doesnt make sense to join a empty server to see 3D models
18:29	OldCoder	I will update when I can
18:29	OldCoder	That is the plan
18:29	OldCoder	Of 3D I'm a fan
18:29	OldCoder	Folks
18:29	Calinou	PilzAdam: code third person, ???, PROFIT
18:30	* PilzAdam	has low c++ skills
18:30	* Calinou	does too
18:31	mauvebic	i can screw around with the mapgen and the c++ mapper source but thats about it lol
18:32	marktraceur	OldCoder: You're gett'n' all dissed by the man, ride in a van, you couldn't walk so you just ran, getting a tan, m-fers over in Afghanistan, into the frying pan, not just a <div> but a <span>, maybe we'll play over LAN, so long as we don't use FORTRAN.
18:32	* marktraceur	drops mic
18:33	marktraceur	(not because I just schooled you, but to prevent further ear-bleeding)
18:33	OldCoder	marktraceur, that is cool for school
18:33	OldCoder	You rule!
18:33	OldCoder	You no fool you are cool thank you sir for school
18:35	marktraceur	"ool" is less easy to rhyme
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18:38	KikaRz	Hi there! Im back... not for too long
18:38	KikaRz	im in another computer
18:38	KikaRz	minetest has been updated?
18:38	PilzAdam	updated ?= developed
18:42	OldCoder	KikaRz, M13 has provided me with the pass. So I'm partly maintaining that server now.
18:42	marktraceur	KikaRz: YOU'RE IN A COMPUTER!? HANG ON WE'LL SAVE YOU!
18:42	KikaRz	OldCoder
18:42	OldCoder	KikaRz, also; I apologize but the other other day was pretty busy. May I see the link to your avatar again?
18:42	KikaRz	... marktraceur, take me out of this fucking country
18:42	KikaRz	OldCoder, Its not ROOT
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18:42	KikaRz	its MINETEST
18:42	KikaRz	the user
18:42	* marktraceur	dashes to the batmobile to rescue KikaRz
18:42	OldCoder	KikaRz, Not following
18:43	OldCoder	KikaRz, Link your avatar again when you can
18:43	KikaRz	OldCoder, im sending now
18:43	KikaRz	OldCoder, use the user "minetest" to enter the server
18:43	OldCoder	KikaRz, I already have the pass
18:43	OldCoder	He passed on the pass yesterday
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18:44	KikaRz	I know the pass
18:44	KikaRz	that you have it
18:44	KikaRz	but do not use ROOT
18:44	KikaRz	use minetest
18:45	OldCoder	KikaRz, I am not following
18:45	OldCoder	KikaRz, Link your avatar again when you can
18:45	KikaRz	...
18:45	KikaRz	stop spamming
18:45	OldCoder	D:
18:45	OldCoder	That is "flooding" young lady
18:45	OldCoder	Not "spamming"
18:45	OldCoder	Get your terminology right
18:45	KikaRz	Or that
18:45	KikaRz	The same.
18:45	KikaRz	SPAM = Flood
18:45	* OldCoder	sighs
18:45	OldCoder	It is not.
18:45	Jordach	oh wait, i ignored kika
18:45	KikaRz	Flood = Multiple Messages
18:45	marktraceur	OldCoder: I believe KikaRz wants you to log in to a server with the username "minetest" and a password already determined at an earlier date
18:45	KikaRz	Jordach, you can't ignore.
18:46	OldCoder	marktraceur, KikaRz is out of sync. It is, or was, M13 server. I helped him set it up.
18:46	* marktraceur	sings spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spammity spam, wonderful spam
18:46	OldCoder	Yum
18:46	KikaRz	https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u1q9kjdom1518kc/e42QjnQFl_?m
18:46	KikaRz	https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u1q9kjdom1518kc/e42QjnQFl_?m
18:46	KikaRz	https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u1q9kjdom1518kc/e42QjnQFl_?m
18:46	KikaRz	Ups
18:46	OldCoder	Reviewing
18:46	KikaRz	Dropbox sent 3 links in a row.
18:46	KikaRz	OldCoder, i guess the 3d dont works :(
18:46	KikaRz	and the skins arent black
18:46	OldCoder	It will
18:46	KikaRz	in the transparent
18:47	OldCoder	KikaRz, that is a 3D skin
18:47	OldCoder	If you make a 2D one let me know
18:47	KikaRz	Not the 3d that im saying
18:47	OldCoder	I am presently adding those
18:47	KikaRz	i did a 2d and a 3d in the folders
18:47	KikaRz	*folder
18:47	OldCoder	Ah
18:47	OldCoder	I see her
18:47	OldCoder	She looks tough!
18:47	OldCoder	I will add her
18:47	KikaRz	tough?
18:47	KikaRz	o-o
18:48	OldCoder	Like Sigourney Weaver in Aliens
18:48	OldCoder	It is a compliment
18:48	OldCoder	She will be added shortly
18:48	Calinou	HOWTO: look cool after insulting someone
18:48	Calinou	say it is a compliment
18:48	OldCoder	???
18:48	Calinou	:)
18:48	OldCoder	Calinou, that was sincere
18:48	OldCoder	Don't make trouble
18:49	Calinou	i know, was joking :P
18:49	Calinou	gtg now
18:49	OldCoder	c u
18:49	OldCoder	KikaRz, is your nick KikaRz in the game?
18:49	KikaRz	Yes
18:49	OldCoder	k
18:50	KikaRz	OldCoder
18:50	KikaRz	Im without computer net
18:50	OldCoder	Yes?
18:50	KikaRz	*now
18:50	OldCoder	k
18:50	KikaRz	Im not in a computer but yes
18:50	KikaRz	in a Tablet
18:50	KikaRz	-
18:50	KikaRz	love tablets...
18:50	KikaRz	specially: CHOCOLATE ONES...
18:50	khonkhortisan	hey, someone killed me last night!
18:50	KikaRz	that big small pieces of chocolate...
18:51	* KikaRz	sees khonkhortisan's soul...
18:51	* KikaRz	smiles...
18:51	khonkhortisan	before the server restarted
18:51	KikaRz	it was me :P
18:51	KikaRz	kidding
18:51	KikaRz	hate my foot.
18:51	KikaRz	just for walk...
18:51	KikaRz	at the end of day:
18:51	khonkhortisan	well I was unnaturally floating in the air
18:52	KikaRz	STATUS OF FOOT: SMELLS PRETTY NICE!
18:52	khonkhortisan	so feet have social networking now
18:52	OldCoder	She looks good
18:52	KikaRz	yes.
18:52	KikaRz	me? --
18:52	OldCoder	The avatar
18:52	KikaRz	oh
18:53	KikaRz	Yes.
18:53	KikaRz	Its the avatar that i use all the time
18:53	KikaRz	i got more 2 types of avatars...
18:53	OldCoder	I am sure you look good too but we cannot see you
18:53	OldCoder	What are the others?
18:53	KikaRz	One with a cap...
18:53	KikaRz	and other with headphones
18:53	KikaRz	but minetest dont lets that
18:54	marktraceur	....
18:55	KikaRz	marktraceur, you are now:
18:55	KikaRz	marktraceur, you are now:
18:55	KikaRz	Fail
18:56	marktraceur	KikaRz: What am I?
18:57	KikaRz	I dont know.
18:57	KikaRz	a fail?
18:57	KikaRz	:P
18:57	marktraceur	KikaRz: Sometimes, yes.
18:57	KikaRz	<KikaRz> marktraceur, you are now:
18:57	KikaRz	<KikaRz> Fail
18:57	* marktraceur	loves the disparity between channels
18:57	marktraceur	In here, most of the messages are on the left side of my screen
18:57		babyface1031 joined #minetest
18:57	marktraceur	Most other channels I'm in have text along the entire screen
18:57	marktraceur	It's rather fascinating
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18:58	OldCoder	Penguin, Hi
18:58	OldCoder	Penguin, I am working on it
18:58	Penguin	On ?
18:58	OldCoder	What you asked for
18:59	Penguin	Oh :) When will it be done any idears
18:59	OldCoder	Penguin, I thought it was done
18:59	Penguin	hey babyface
18:59	OldCoder	So I cannot say
18:59	OldCoder	Patience is a Penguin Virtue
18:59	KikaRz	hi there penguin
18:59	Penguin	hi
19:00	KikaRz	Microsoft Word 2007 in my computer:
19:00	Penguin	Its Not On Mod list coder
19:00	KikaRz	how much time takes to enter?
19:00	KikaRz	Who knows?
19:00	Penguin	1hour
19:00	Penguin	hehe
19:00	KikaRz	nope
19:00	KikaRz	minus
19:01	KikaRz	5 min.
19:01	marktraceur	KikaRz: Are you trying to tell us that it takes -5 minutes to install MS Word?
19:01	Penguin	haha
19:02	babyface1031	hey
19:03	Penguin	u back on server
19:03	babyface1031	yes
19:03	OldCoder	Penguin, which world are you trying to use Desert Uses in?
19:03	Penguin	30004
19:03	OldCoder	k
19:03	Penguin	Has U Shut Server Down ?
19:03	OldCoder	No
19:04	KikaRz	No
19:04	OldCoder	You are there
19:04	Penguin	okay its cos it would ent connect
19:04	KikaRz	To Install Word = 5 hours.
19:04	KikaRz	To initialize it: 17 minetes.
19:04	KikaRz	*minutes
19:04	KikaRz	i was thinking in minetest
19:04	marktraceur	Plus signing that devil-contract, which takes at least five seconds for most people
19:05	Penguin	need to restart cp
19:05	KikaRz	cp = club penguin? O_o'
19:06	marktraceur	Probably a typo for "PC"
19:07	KikaRz	cp = club penguin
19:07	KikaRz	pc = personal computer / portable computer
19:07	KikaRz	2 completely different things
19:08	KikaRz	going to put a virus in school
19:08	KikaRz	to install linux in all computers
19:08	KikaRz	:P
19:08	marktraceur	KikaRz: It would probably be more useful if you also installed GNU on them, but if you think that's best
19:09	KikaRz	gnu = ?
19:09	KikaRz	ah
19:09	KikaRz	maybe
19:09	KikaRz	i dislike that school computers
19:09	KikaRz	i need to present a work
19:09	KikaRz	to 10,422 people.
19:11	KikaRz	byeneed to turn off tablet
19:14	OldCoder
19:14	OldCoder	U.S. worlds are going down briefly for updates and tests
19:14	OldCoder	babyface1031, see above
19:15	babyface1031	ok i will tell penguin
19:15	OldCoder	babyface1031, tell him
19:15	OldCoder	He is getting the mod he wishes
19:15	khonkhortisan	ugh if I don't put dirt under the rail the cart bobs up and down and I miss frames of the slit animation thing
19:15	babyface1031	ok i told him ready to go
19:15	OldCoder	Allow about 5 minutes
19:16	OldCoder	I am experimenting
19:16	OldCoder	babyface1031, do me a small favor
19:16	OldCoder	Join 30000
19:16	babyface1031	ok
19:16	OldCoder	and see if things work there
19:16	babyface1031	now or after updates
19:16	OldCoder	babyface1031, Do you have interact there?
19:16	OldCoder	Now
19:16	OldCoder	I will restart all worlds
19:16	OldCoder	after testing 30000
19:17	babyface1031	idk if i do or not i will head there now
19:17	OldCoder	k
19:17	babyface1031	no privs
19:17	babyface1031	lot of unknown blocks
19:17	OldCoder	Yep
19:18	OldCoder	Something broken
19:18	OldCoder	Thanks
19:18	OldCoder	I will restart other worlds now
19:19	babyface1031	thats all or you need me to try other stuff
19:19	OldCoder	That is all
19:19	OldCoder	Thanks
19:19	babyface1031	np
19:20	OldCoder	babyface1031, Tell Penguin to try Desert Uses now
19:20	babyface1031	ok
19:22	babyface1031	is the sever back up?
19:24	babyface1031	OldCoder have you seen the log there is alot of errors
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19:25	OldCoder	Penguin, Yes
19:25	Penguin	hi
19:25	OldCoder	I am shutting down and working on it
19:26	babyface1031	hi
19:26	Penguin	You have :D
19:26	OldCoder	Yes
19:26	OldCoder	Proceeding
19:26	OldCoder	Shutting down
19:26	Penguin	:)
19:26	Penguin	We need 3d players on minetest
19:26	Penguin	dont we
19:27	marktraceur	Penguin: We have them!
19:27	Penguin	do we
19:27	OldCoder	Anybody want more mods?
19:27	OldCoder	Now is the time to ask!
19:27	OldCoder	Or more 2D avatars
19:27	Penguin	urm 1 sec
19:27	OldCoder	Who wants one?
19:27	khonkhortisan	My rail-powered animation is finished, in stunning 1.3 frames per second!
19:28	babyface1031	i good i have all i like unless there is one for a fully clear glass
19:28	babyface1031	no lines nothing
19:28	Penguin	Jungle trees http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2887
19:30	Penguin	OldCoder
19:30	OldCoder	Penguin, see Vanessa. That one is High CPU
19:30	OldCoder	But thank you
19:31	Penguin	okay wait
19:31	marktraceur	OldCoder: I could suggest transactors and the rest of the industry pack, but I'm not actually playing on your server :)
19:31	OldCoder	Who would like a 2D avatar?
19:31	OldCoder	marktraceur, Are transactors lightweight and safe?
19:31	OldCoder	Link?
19:31	OldCoder	BTW I have about 20 servers
19:31	marktraceur	OldCoder: They're basically as heavy as a furnace, seems mostly OK
19:32	OldCoder	Does anybody else plan to use them?
19:32	marktraceur	OldCoder: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3804
19:32	OldCoder	ty
19:32	Penguin	use what
19:32	OldCoder	Transactors
19:32	marktraceur	OldCoder: I don't know if they're in anyone's plans. I also plan to finish my factory mod soon-ish and release the entire pack with more pizazz
19:32	OldCoder	2D avatars are available. Nobody wants one? All right.
19:33	OldCoder	Worlds going down again
19:33	OldCoder	Penguin, you should have Desert Uses
19:33	Penguin	yay
19:34	Penguin	http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=508 coder
19:34	OldCoder	What is it?
19:34	TForsman	hows compability for minetest 0.4.4 against mods? should work fine? most of the mods?
19:34	OldCoder	I have not tested
19:34	Penguin	its a mod and baby it has clear glass
19:35	OldCoder	Penguin, ask her and others to review that
19:35	OldCoder	Is it lightweight and safe?
19:35	Penguin	Dont matter atchualy
19:35	OldCoder	Why not?
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19:36	Penguin	Becuse it use to be on server and then it went
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19:36	babyface1031	yeah we have clean glass already it just still has the lines on the outside
19:36	* Penguin	Orders Pizza
19:36	babyface1031	and everything in that mod we can already make so it would be useless
19:37	VanessaE	hi all
19:37	babyface1031	hi VanessaE
19:37	* Penguin	Wondering when it will get to noth pole
19:38	* Penguin	Stutters
19:39	* Penguin	forgot to pick cousin up from school Ops
19:39	ruskie	rofl
19:40	* Penguin	wondering if server is back up
19:41	* Penguin	Gave Pizza Man Wrong Address
19:41	marktraceur	Penguin: http://identi.ca is where you should be
19:42	* Penguin	Is Stumped
19:43	Penguin	Coder?
19:43	Penguin	*OldCoder
19:43	Penguin	*@OldCoder
19:44	VanessaE	so what's news? :-)
19:44	Penguin	Scobby doo
19:44	* Penguin	Chukkles
19:45	VanessaE	mumble
19:45	Penguin	*Mumble
19:45	thexyz	VanessaE: http://wapi.minetest.ru/Main_Page
19:46	Penguin	babyface1031! Is Server Up
19:46	VanessaE	thexyz: not bad
19:47	babyface1031	marktraceur does the industry pack work with the technic furance and grinder or just the normal coal powered furnace
19:47	OldCoder	Penguin, I am updating again
19:47	Penguin	Updating To What
19:48	marktraceur	babyface1031: Only chest, furnace, and rubber_collector are handled thus far....but I'd be happy to add more handlers, it wouldn't break anything
19:48	Penguin	http://wapi.minetest.ru/Main_Page look at views on page when i tell you refress
19:48	babyface1031	i was looking at it it looks neat
19:48	marktraceur	babyface1031: My priority is still adding factories, but if you add a note in the forum post about technic furnace and grinder, and as many technical details as you can, I'll add it soon
19:48	marktraceur	(probably this weekend in all likelihood)
19:49	Penguin	refress
19:49	Penguin	Boosting views on page much lol
19:49	babyface1031	what will the factories doo
19:49	Penguin	Updating To What
19:50	Penguin	@OldCoder ?
19:50	OldCoder	Penguin, wait please
19:50	OldCoder	Fixing things now
19:50	Penguin	oh i understand read it propley
19:52	OldCoder	Penguin, D: be polite
19:52	OldCoder	I did read it "propley"
19:52	OldCoder	I am too busy to respond ATM
19:52	OldCoder	That is what I meant
19:52	Penguin	No i dident read it propley i ment
19:52	Penguin	sorry
19:52	OldCoder	Ah
19:52	OldCoder	Sure
19:52	OldCoder	np
19:53	* Penguin	Likes Laughing
19:53	OldCoder	That is good
19:53	babyface1031	why was technic mod removed?
19:53	OldCoder	Penguin, which Darket mod are you suggesting?
19:53	Penguin	What ?
19:53	OldCoder	babyface1031, it was not
19:53	OldCoder	babyface1031, wait
19:54	OldCoder	Penguin, you linked:
19:54	OldCoder	http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=508
19:54	babyface1031	in the forums it is
19:54	OldCoder	Which mod are you requesting?
19:54	OldCoder	babyface1031, that is odd
19:54	VanessaE	babyface1031: it was removed from the forum because RealBadAngel had a hissy fit :-)
19:54	OldCoder	VanessaE, he is a valued contributo
19:54	OldCoder	r
19:54	VanessaE	he got upset ad the way things are moving and not.
19:54	mauvebic	i guess fall season does that people lol
19:54	babyface1031	oh
19:54	OldCoder	Penguin, which Darket mod are you suggesting?
19:54	VanessaE	OldCoder: he and I still talk. I've been testing his unified creative inventory branch
19:54	OldCoder	VanessaE, all right
19:55	OldCoder	VanessaE, I haven't seen him recently; tell him I'd like to have him around
19:55	OldCoder	He is a stabilizing force
19:55	VanessaE	he just doesn't get on channel for now - he's pissed at celeron55.
19:55	babyface1031	OldCoder the mod you are asking about i dont see any use for it everthing in it we can already make now that we have the desert mod
19:55	OldCoder	babyface1031, ty
19:55	OldCoder	babyface1031, tell him
19:55	babyface1031	Penguin the mod you are asking about i dont see any use for it everthing in it we can already make now that we have the desert mod
19:56	Penguin	yay it dont matter oldcoder
19:56	OldCoder	k
19:56	mauvebic	finished my guns'n'turrets (http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1598) lemme know whadda think
19:57	Jordach	hey mauvebic
19:57	mauvebic	sup
19:57	VanessaE	hey mauvebic.
19:58	Jordach	mauvebic - could you send me a zipball of your world + mods, i'd love to see it
19:58	mauvebic	the turrets dont shoot on their owners, dont destroy nodes. plasma rifles destroy nodes, entities and players
19:58	Jordach	wait, you made a dm cannon?
19:58	mauvebic	more like those plasma guns from the movies but yeah
19:58	OldCoder	babyface1031, try the world now
19:59	babyface1031	ok
19:59	VanessaE	mauvebic: what, no railgun? no BFG? :D
19:59	mauvebic	they're rapid-fire too
19:59	mauvebic	bfg?
19:59	OldCoder	All the U.S. worlds should be back. Desert Uses is in. Kika* has her new 2D avatar.
19:59	VanessaE	mauvebic: "Big Fucking Gun", most powerful weapon in Quake/OpenArena
20:00	OldCoder	Doom too
20:00	mauvebic	would if i could, pretty limited by bullets hitting node.name == 'ignore' :/
20:00	marktraceur	VanessaE: Have you seen the Doom movie? That scene was probably the best.
20:00	PilzAdam	gtg; bye
20:00	VanessaE	no, I have not. I'm not into those sorts of movies actually.
20:00	Jordach	mauvebic - when you've got the BFG 9000, it makes pvp no fun
20:01	marktraceur	VanessaE: Honestly, it's 90% game humour from my recollection. But I may be misremembering.
20:01	mauvebic	well the mininuke and blaster rifles are missing, but those do alot of dammage lol
20:01	Jordach	mauvebic, the nuke effect was awesome
20:01	mauvebic	yeah but it depends on a mod im still werking on
20:01	mauvebic	and cant figure out what fire to use
20:02	mauvebic	oh but theres a compressed water gun that does work, to fight fires or grief with lol
20:05	celeron55	FYI: 0.4.4 will be released next week
20:06	marktraceur	celeron55: Will that include windows builds on minetest.net?
20:07	TForsman	hows compatibility for mods against 0.4.4 ?
20:07	celeron55	of course
20:07	celeron55	TForsman: should be no problems whatsoever
20:07	TForsman	thanks, will update through git for now for foresight users :)
20:08	MiJyn	you know what's ironic? I never downloaded minetest since celeron55 released 0.4 stable
20:08	celeron55	0.4.3 clients aren't and won't be able to connect to 0.4.4, unless i happen to feel like doing that as a challenge
20:08	marktraceur	Official-sauce announce came out! Woo, I can share my server!
20:08	marktraceur	http://www.fsf.org/bulletin/2012/fall/new-libreplanet-gaming-server-running-minetest
20:08	VanessaE	brb
20:10	TForsman	celeron55: do you know when that happened? Which commit that made it unable to use 0.4.3 for 0.4.4. As we always update from git, from time to time
20:12	celeron55	TForsman: the 3D players - it's a large bunch of commits. a 0.4.4 client can connect to a 0.4.3 server however
20:12	celeron55	and will be definitely so at release too
20:13	TForsman	ahh, thats good. then I dont have any big issues if it still works against 0.4.3 servers
20:15	celeron55	marktraceur: altough i generally don't respect fsf, i like it that people find use for the software and form communities like that 8) hopefully that will return some useful input to minetest itself too
20:16	marktraceur	celeron55: I agree! I think we should be able to help funnel some of the interest into modding and contributing back to core.
20:16	marktraceur	celeron55: Not to mention playing and contributing to other games--we're hoping to launch an OpenArena server, I think, plus maybe a HedgeWars server
20:17	marktraceur	I looked into Ryzom, but it's a hell of a difficult game to set up.
20:26	babyface1031	OldCoder did you delete trashcan mod
20:30	Jordach	yes
20:30	Jordach	remove the model
20:32	OldCoder	babyface1031, yes. I was told it messes up textures.
20:32	babyface1031	ok
20:32	OldCoder	It was Doc, Dogzilla, or Penguin
20:32	OldCoder	Is anybody able to comment?
20:32	OldCoder	Is Trash safe to use?
20:33	OldCoder	babyface1031, review this and get back to me if you
20:33	OldCoder	I will restore Trash if it is safe
20:33	babyface1031	i didnt see any texture problem besides it looks like a nyan cat
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20:37	OldCoder	Is anybody where who is familiar with Zeg9 world?
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20:42	Octupus	hola
20:42	VanessaE	back.
20:43	Octupus	hi vanessae
20:43	VanessaE	john_minetest: or just run 0.4.3 - 0.4.4 clients can still connect and play :-_)
20:43	VanessaE	:-)
20:43	Octupus	we have 4.4 now :0
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20:48	KikaRz	Adverstiment of KikooBot: 22 and 23 December, Enkai will be realized in Castelo Branco, Portugal; Price: 1 day - 1.5 enkais (euros) / 2 days - 2 enkais (euros)
20:48	KikaRz	Cool, my bot works
20:49	babyface1031	VanessaE in your home decor mod it has white paint being able to you leaves instead of jungle grass but it dont seem to work
20:50	KikaRz	So, if you want to appear go onto Cine Teatro Avenida , Castelo Branco, Portugal
20:50	KikaRz	day 22 and 23 December :P
20:50	OldCoder	KikaRz, your avatar is in the U.S. worlds
20:50	OldCoder	KikaRz, come and visit; let me screenshot you
20:50	OldCoder	Choose one of the worlds and drop by
20:51	KikaRz	OldCoder
20:51	KikaRz	I can't enter.
20:51	KikaRz	I'm in a computer that neither supports D3D neither OpenGL
20:51	KikaRz	-
20:51	KikaRz	love this shit because got linux.
20:51	VanessaE	babyface1031: maybe some other mod is blocking that recipe?
20:51	VanessaE	I know I tested it
20:51	KikaRz	but my graphics card dont works
20:52	babyface1031	oh :(
20:52	OldCoder	KikaRz, Sorry to hear it
20:52	KikaRz	Can you login with my nick?
20:52	OldCoder	Would somebody else like to enter 30007 as KikaRz ? I will reset password after
20:52	KikaRz	just reset my pw
20:52	OldCoder	Yes
20:52	OldCoder	Somebody come to 30007 and be KikaRz please
20:52	OldCoder	I will screenshot
20:52	KikaRz	I can enter
20:52	KikaRz	but with a LOOOT OF LAG
20:53	KikaRz	but disconnect that person again
20:53	OldCoder	Yes
20:53	KikaRz	and put pw to the other that i was having
20:53	babyface1031	the only other mod with white paint is the dyes
20:54	babyface1031	i wonder what mod is blocking it then
20:54	KikaRz	but its working oldcoder?
20:54	KikaRz	which one? 3d or 2d?
20:54	OldCoder	It should be
20:54	OldCoder	I need somebody to visit 30007 as you
20:55	KikaRz	I can enter
20:55	KikaRz	but with al ot of lag
20:55	OldCoder	john_minetest, Yes... Speak briefly of what it is. I am editing my own description.
20:55	OldCoder	Thank you
20:55	OldCoder	KikaRz, let me know when you are there
20:55	KikaRz	IP?
20:55	KikaRz	minetest.org ?
20:55	OldCoder	yes 30007
20:55	KikaRz	minetest.org:30007?
20:55	OldCoder	Yes
20:56	OldCoder	Just for a couple of minutes
20:56	KikaRz	Will take a bit
20:56	KikaRz	downloading
20:56	OldCoder	john_minetest, No. We will need to check all his mods first. And I have not built 0.4.4 yet.
20:56	OldCoder	He has a heavily tailored world
20:56	OldCoder	john_minetest, speak of Zeg9 world. Say what it is please.
20:56	KikaRz	0% media...
20:56	OldCoder	Describe it.
20:57	OldCoder	KikaRz, It may take 20 minutes. Sorry.
20:57	KikaRz	O_O'
20:57	KikaRz	i prefer that you give me all cache
20:57	OldCoder	KikaRz, somebody else could come
20:57	KikaRz	X_X'
20:57	KikaRz	1% media.
20:57	OldCoder	KikaRz, do you have 0.4.3 ?
20:57	KikaRz	yes
20:57	KikaRz	i got here
20:57	OldCoder	KikaRz, Windows or Linux? I forget
20:57	KikaRz	not the other one
20:57	OldCoder	Cache is in this file:
20:57	KikaRz	linux but i got here the Compiled one
20:57	KikaRz	that one that didnt supported d3d...
20:57	KikaRz	i remember
20:58	KikaRz	that one that you sent me to speed up game
20:58	KikaRz	in windows
20:58	OldCoder	Yes
20:58	OldCoder	It has cache
20:58	KikaRz	send me
20:58	OldCoder	Yes
20:58	OldCoder	http://minetest.org/clients/minetest-121020.zip
20:58	OldCoder	May or may not work
20:58	KikaRz	love Fallen Kingdom. Sorry. I just like this parodies.
20:59	KikaRz	i dislike minecraft because dont works in my computer, but in general... i like musics
20:59	OldCoder	john_minetest, ty
21:01	KikaRz	Fuck this chrome
21:01	KikaRz	GRRR
21:01	KikaRz	cant download at full
21:01	KikaRz	it says: minetest-121020.zip may be dangerous. (Keep ) (Reject)
21:01	KikaRz	I pressed Keep
21:01	OldCoder	Yes
21:01	KikaRz	but dont acceps
21:02	OldCoder	??
21:02	OldCoder	Junkware
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21:03	rarkenin	Hey.. I'm getting a lot of access violations, illegal memory writes, on Windows 7 x64. Is this a know bug. or shall I proceed in eporting it?
21:03	OldCoder	john_minetest, quick question. Do you remember roughly when I took over Zeg9 world?
21:03	OldCoder	rarkenin, Not known I think
21:03	rarkenin	In trans_func.
21:03	rarkenin	Access violation at 0133C852 write?=0 address=3746562307
21:03	rarkenin	In trans_func.
21:03	rarkenin	Access violation at 0133C852 write?=0 address=3746562307
21:03	rarkenin	16:02:05: ERROR[main]: Some exception: "Access violation"
21:03	rarkenin	Sound familiar?
21:03	OldCoder	Nope
21:04	rarkenin	Doesn't crash but disconnects. Happens when logging onto a server or chatting.
21:04	rarkenin	Where shall I report it? Is there a bugzilla, or is it on Launchpad.net?
21:04	OldCoder	Here pretty much
21:04	marktraceur	rarkenin: Is this unmodified Minetest, or are you making changes that might cause it?
21:04	OldCoder	john_minetest, Thanks!
21:05	rarkenin	marktraceur: these are the original binaries.
21:05	marktraceur	rarkenin: Any mods?
21:05	rarkenin	This is on server minetst.0gb.us
21:06	rarkenin	I can't get co[py-paste so I'll take it from debug.txt... just a sec
21:06	iqualfragile	are there daily windows-builds?
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21:06	rarkenin	tNo. Just the zips on minetst.net
21:07	iqualfragile	thats sad
21:07	iqualfragile	wellâ€¦ nah, not realy
21:07	rarkenin	I don't know, actually.
21:07	OldCoder	KikaRz, still attempting to load?
21:07	rarkenin	My debug.txt is 218 MB
21:08	KikaRz	Still attempting to download.
21:09	iqualfragile	oldcoder: do you provide windows-builds?
21:09	rarkenin	I'll try to compress it as much as I can. Shall I use a .gz? Or .rar? Or something else?
21:09	OldCoder	iqualfragile, I do
21:09	OldCoder	http://minetest.org/clients/minetest-121020.zip
21:09	iqualfragile	is it up to date?
21:09	OldCoder	That is a 0.4.3 from October that works with my worlds
21:09	OldCoder	Not 0.4.4
21:10	OldCoder	Current enough and I will update it soon
21:10	OldCoder	Includes preloaded cache
21:10	KikaRz	Yes i know.
21:10	iqualfragile	are you able to provie daily builds?
21:10	OldCoder	KikaRz, that is for iqualfragile
21:10	KikaRz	cant fucking download in chrome
21:10	OldCoder	iqualfragile, No because I do not use upstream
21:10	rarkenin	This is 0.4.3 and the access violation is intermittent.
21:10	KikaRz	intermittent?
21:10	OldCoder	rarkenin, Is it Windows? Try my version
21:11	rarkenin	It happens in bunches, and recurs some days.
21:11	KikaRz	...
21:11	KikaRz	hate chrome!
21:11	marktraceur	KikaRz: Firefox?
21:12	iqualfragile	i sat in front of a windows-pc some days ago
21:12	iqualfragile	there was no firefox
21:12	iqualfragile	so i started ie to download firefox
21:12	iqualfragile	it crashed
21:12	iqualfragile	-.-
21:12	KikaRz	No marktraceur
21:12	KikaRz	i dont have firefox here
21:13	rarkenin	The trick is to use Telnet to get Firefox. Or at least command-line FTP/
21:13	marktraceur	KikaRz: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/
21:14	marktraceur	Tadaaaa
21:14	KikaRz	Shut up.
21:14	KikaRz	Its simpler if you give me a computer better
21:14	marktraceur	KikaRz: Sorry for helping you
21:14	marktraceur	KikaRz: I remember now, you don't like people helping you
21:15	KikaRz	this computer cant have mozilla
21:15	marktraceur	KikaRz: Why's that?
21:15	KikaRz	this computer runs better in DOS
21:15	KikaRz	that simple terminal thing
21:16	marktraceur	KikaRz: And Chrome is better for running in a terminal? Because I'm pretty sure both would require a GUI.
21:16	rarkenin	I can;t get this thing to crash again atm. If I do, should I come back with a debug.txt?
21:16	marktraceur	rarkenin: 100%
21:17	marktraceur	rarkenin: Having debug texts is always awesome.
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21:18	KikaRz	marktraceur
21:18	KikaRz	nobody said that this is running in a terminal
21:18	KikaRz	-.-
21:18	KikaRz	i said:
21:18	KikaRz	this computer runs better in DOS
21:18	KikaRz	not : this computer is RUNNING in DOS
21:18	KikaRz	...
21:18	marktraceur	KikaRz: So what's your point?
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21:19	KikaRz	OldCoder
21:19	KikaRz	are you there?
21:19	KikaRz	im entering
21:19	OldCoder	KikaRz, yes
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21:19	OldCoder	ty
21:19	OldCoder	Looking for you KikaRz
21:19	Renoki	is there a way to fly in creative mode?
21:20	KikaRz	wait
21:20	KikaRz	Non responding...
21:20	KikaRz	Renoki;
21:20	VanessaE	Renoki: /grant singleplayer fly,fast
21:20	Renoki	and to break blocks instantly?
21:20	VanessaE	then hit k to enable it.
21:20	Renoki	thanks
21:20	KikaRz	/grant singleplayer all
21:20	KikaRz	thats better
21:20	VanessaE	and use space and shift (or e) to go up/down.
21:20	OldCoder	The world has been lavaed?
21:20	Renoki	neat, thanks
21:20	OldCoder	Whoa
21:20	OldCoder	That is a lot of lava
21:20	KikaRz	OldCoder
21:20	OldCoder	VanessaE, come and see
21:20	KikaRz	your server got music?
21:20	KikaRz	o_o'
21:20	OldCoder	Yes
21:21	KikaRz	Straaange....
21:21	VanessaE	address/port?
21:21	KikaRz	wait
21:21	KikaRz	minetest.org:30007
21:21	OldCoder	VanessaE: minetest.org 30007
21:21	KikaRz	40%
21:21	OldCoder	Coords are:
21:21	OldCoder	-50,5.3,14.0
21:21	KikaRz	85%
21:21	OldCoder	Guess I need to reset the world
21:21	KikaRz	95%
21:21	Renoki	it won't let me /grant
21:21	OldCoder	VanessaE, I'll op you
21:21	KikaRz	100
21:21	OldCoder	KikaRz, fly
21:21	marktraceur	KikaRz: What's with the flooding?
21:21	OldCoder	Fly up
21:22	rarkenin	OldCoder: That build you gave me: Can I just copy my existing games and worlds into the correct directories from 0.4.3, or will it not work?
21:22	VanessaE	connecting...
21:22	OldCoder	VanessaE, you are here
21:22	KikaRz	Im connecting OldCoder
21:22	VanessaE	Renoki: then you are not in single player or you aren't admin of the server you're on.
21:22	OldCoder	KikaRz, k
21:22	Renoki	I'm in singleplayer
21:22	OldCoder	VanessaE, you just got lavaed
21:22	KikaRz	so /grant Renoki all
21:22	KikaRz	if you can
21:22	OldCoder	rarkenin, probably will work
21:23	KikaRz	omg
21:23	Renoki	oh it did work
21:23	Renoki	nevermind lol
21:23	KikaRz	takes a lot to load
21:23	* OldCoder	laughs
21:23	KikaRz	Unresponsing
21:23	OldCoder	That's a load of lava VanessaE
21:23	OldCoder	VanessaE, you have ops
21:23	OldCoder	Fly and look
21:23	OldCoder	KikaRz, you have ops
21:23	OldCoder	Fly up
21:23	OldCoder	When you are here
21:24	OldCoder	Lots of lava
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21:24	OldCoder	KikaRz, go to ground
21:24	OldCoder	Let me screenshot you
21:24	OldCoder	Let me screenshot you
21:24	Renoki	how do I move fast?
21:25	Renoki	err, faster.
21:25	VanessaE	hah, crashola
21:25	OldCoder	KikaRz, hold still then
21:25	KikaRz	I cant move
21:25	KikaRz	its laggy
21:25	KikaRz	this computer cant run it
21:25	OldCoder	Hold still
21:26	OldCoder	KikaRz, I gave you TP
21:26	OldCoder	Hold still
21:26	KikaRz	im lagging a lot
21:28	OldCoder	It's the world
21:28	OldCoder	Don
21:28	OldCoder	Done
21:28	OldCoder	I'll need to shut it down
21:28	OldCoder	It's all lava
21:28	KikaRz	ITS LAGGING A LOT!
21:28	OldCoder	I have a shot from the side
21:28	KikaRz	well
21:28	OldCoder	Best I can do
21:28	KikaRz	OldCoder
21:28	KikaRz	send me them
21:28	OldCoder	KikaRz, done
21:28	OldCoder	Will post
21:28	OldCoder	Wait
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21:28	marktraceur	KikaRz: We got that, thanks for reiterating
21:28	OldCoder	Need a few minutes
21:28	OldCoder	Thank you
21:29	KikaRz	marktraceur, i'm talking with Oldcoder
21:29	OldCoder	VanessaE, that's one world that'
21:29	OldCoder	VanessaE, that's one world that's fried
21:29	OldCoder	Lavatown
21:29	VanessaE	so I see
21:29	marktraceur	KikaRz: Yes, I saw, you've been saying the same thing for about five minutes
21:29	KikaRz	what?
21:30	babyface1031	wow someone lava a world
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21:30	marktraceur	KikaRz: "im lagging a lot" "ITS LAGGING A LOT" "its laggy" "I cant move" (all spelling mistakes preserved)
21:30	VanessaE	khonkhortisan is gonna be pissed. wasn't he the one building that wide road?
21:30	KikaRz	...
21:30	Octupus	hi babyface1031
21:31	babyface1031	hi
21:31	Octupus	i am coming on now
21:31	KikaRz	marktraceur, please, wait for your turn.
21:31	babyface1031	cool
21:31	marktraceur	KikaRz: My turn for what?
21:31	KikaRz	You're in position: 5/0.
21:31	OldCoder	KikaRz, I'll paste in a few minutes
21:31	KikaRz	:D
21:31	KikaRz	But its cool OldCoder?
21:31	OldCoder	Yes
21:31	marktraceur	KikaRz: Welcome to IRC, multiple conversations happen at once
21:33	KikaRz	marktraceur: Your bot as been considerated as: FALSEPOSITIVE
21:33	Renoki	is there a way to change the POV
21:33	Renoki	?
21:33	marktraceur	KikaRz: What?
21:34	KikaRz	sry, my bot is automated.
21:34	Octupus	hi mark
21:34	KikaRz	i cant stop him
21:34	Octupus	can i test your bot
21:34	KikaRz	it considers [21:31] <marktraceur> KikaRz: Welcome to IRC, multiple conversations happen at once as a bot talk.
21:34	celeron55_	john_minetest: on what version?
21:34	KikaRz	Octupus, No.
21:34	Octupus	why
21:34	KikaRz	It's payed-for-it.
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21:34	KikaRz	you want to pay me 10 euro?
21:34	celeron55_	because 0.3 has a known security hole for that
21:35	marktraceur	KikaRz: That's a little ridiculous, I gotta say.
21:35	KikaRz	marktraceur, this is a multiple bot
21:35	celeron55_	...altough nobody else knows it except me and one guy
21:35	celeron55_	8)
21:35	thexyz	john_minetest: on which server?
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21:35	Renoki	hey guys o.o
21:35	kaeza	hey
21:35	marktraceur	KikaRz: Considering that it's a bot, you should probably fix the spelling and grammar on it
21:35	KikaRz	IRC, minetest (never tried), habbo, transformice, cs 1.6 HLTV
21:35	Renoki	is there a way to change POV?
21:35	KikaRz	etc
21:35	Renoki	err FOV
21:35	Renoki	Field of View.
21:36	celeron55_	there is probably no other place where one can get privileges than the implementation of the /priv command
21:36	celeron55_	eh
21:36	celeron55_	/grant
21:36	kaeza	what's up?
21:36	iqualfragile	!igloo time
21:37	iglooboot	10:35:52 pm CET
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21:37	celeron55_	hmm... oh no
21:37	OldCoder	http://minetest.org/kikarz.png
21:38	OldCoder	KikaRz, a little fuzzy but she seems like an adventure heroine
21:38	OldCoder	Flying above the destroyed world
21:38	OldCoder	She will seek vengeance!
21:38	kaeza1	OldCoder: still not updated to 0.4.4?
21:38	celeron55_	i believe i know what they are using
21:39	KikaRz	OldCoder, back is good too
21:39	OldCoder	KikaRz, Yes I saw it
21:39	KikaRz	skin is at reverse...
21:39	KikaRz	not at reverse...
21:39	OldCoder	kaeza, I can't until LevelDB is supported
21:39	KikaRz	its ... fliped
21:39	kaeza1	OldCoder: OK
21:39	OldCoder	KikaRz, The back looked good
21:39	KikaRz	it was having a K not a "K at reverse".
21:39	iqualfragile	!igloo ping minetest.net
21:39	iglooboot	64 bytes from hindenburg.emblica.org (5.9.130.165): icmp_req=1 ttl=54 time=18.2 ms
21:40	KikaRz	!igloo ping minetest.net
21:40	iglooboot	64 bytes from hindenburg.emblica.org (5.9.130.165): icmp_req=1 ttl=54 time=16.7 ms
21:40	KikaRz	fail
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21:40	KikaRz	!igloo ping c55.me
21:40	KikaRz	let me see one thing
21:40	marktraceur	I see the child has found a new toy
21:40	iglooboot	timeout
21:41	thexyz	what's the language this bot is written in?
21:41	mauvebic	i shouldn't have put the christmas tree on the same circuit breaker as my rigs lol
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21:41	KikaRz	LOL
21:41	KikaRz	c55.me timedout
21:41	KikaRz	celeron55_, look... your site timedout in igloobot
21:41	bulletrulz	supp
21:41	KikaRz	look... your site timedout in iglooboot *
21:42	iglooboot	hi, KikaRz
21:42	KikaRz	... iqualfragile, iseeu
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21:42	kaeza	hey bulletrulz
21:43	iglooboot	whats up?
21:43	bulletrulz	nothing
21:43	celeron55_	john_minetest: how many times that has happened, and has there been a server restart always before they have gotten privs?
21:43	celeron55_	like, they have no privs -> restart -> they have privs
21:44	thexyz	is /grant logged somewhere?
21:44	celeron55_	no it is not
21:44	KikaRz	I seen celeron55_
21:44	KikaRz	It happens when default_privs
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21:45	thexyz	i bet on weak admin password
21:46	celeron55_	thexyz: were you the one who found the auth file corruption exploit?
21:46	KikaRz	thexyz
21:46	thexyz	celeron55_: yep
21:46	OldCoder	john_minetest, Sure. I'll keep it online.
21:46	OldCoder	You mean Zegaton?
21:46	OldCoder	Hold on
21:46	celeron55_	thexyz: maybe we should fix it in 0.3 8)
21:47	celeron55_	altough that would reveal the bug and everybody uses 0.3.1
21:47	KikaRz	Now: Playing - http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=63GtJjgPYU8 Dubstep \| ByeByeCopyright - Nilow - ( LisaMitchell ) - Neopolitan Dreams - Dubstep Remix
21:47	KikaRz	fail.
21:47	celeron55_	(well, the few who use 0.3...)
21:47	thexyz	but who uses that?
21:47	KikaRz	must remove this filter
21:47	iqualfragile	!igloo password
21:47	celeron55_	well, let's continue just hoping
21:47	iglooboot	poYaw7oo1cebahLeechai7Kae1ahHahng0Me9eifoo5ahgao2eengohs5ShaiB1ey6
21:47	KikaRz	!igloo password
21:47	celeron55_	but this 0.4 thing has to be solved
21:47	thexyz	lol, nice tool to generate passwords
21:47	iglooboot	ao1ahd6DuoN6uilohquaemaejoofee1io4quiequ7ohXooCe9othooPhe6ougo3Iet
21:47	thexyz	except they are all logged
21:48	OldCoder	http://minetest.org/zegaton.txt
21:48	OldCoder	john_minetest, that is a live copy ^
21:50	KikaRz	ft john_minetest
21:50	KikaRz	21:48:13: ACTION[ServerThread]: CHAT: <john> my password is not the best one you could set but it is still difficult to figure out
21:51	KikaRz	xd
21:52	iglooboot	Goodbye
21:52	OldCoder	john_minetest, I have previous ones
21:52	OldCoder	How far back?
21:53	KikaRz	bye igloobot
21:53	KikaRz	bye iglooboot*
21:54	KikaRz	Now: Playing -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zaSW3CDAUg&feature=relmfu Droideka - Human Error
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21:54	celeron55_	OldCoder: can you check that you know that everybody who has the privs privilege is likely to have a good password?
21:54	marktraceur	KikaRz: Stop those.
21:54	KikaRz	Updating bots list in irc: #minetest - Freenode
21:54	KikaRz	Updating iglooboot info.
21:54	celeron55_	we currently are suspecting a weak password
21:54	iglooboot	hi KikaRz
21:55	iqualfragile	!igloo die
21:55		iglooboot left #minetest
21:55	KikaRz	Cool
21:55	KikaRz	let me test that
21:55		iglooboot joined #minetest
21:55	khonkhortisan	!igloo hi
21:55	KikaRz	!igloo die
21:55	iglooboot	hi
21:55		iglooboot left #minetest
21:55	celeron55_	john_minetest: wut?
21:55	KikaRz	Cool --
21:55	khonkhortisan	hehe
21:55	celeron55_	ban that bot
21:55	celeron55_	or, well, i guess i could
21:55	KikaRz	you are talking to what bot?
21:55	KikaRz	iglooboot? that lagged one0'
21:56	KikaRz	?
21:56	celeron55_	john_minetest: there has always been
21:56	marktraceur	celeron55_: While you're at it, kick KikaRz for a bit, so she can remove the "now playing" messages and learn not to copy every bot command she sees.
21:56	KikaRz	Youtube Listening info has been disabled to evade spamming ban/kick.
21:56	KikaRz	marktraceur, shut up
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21:57	VanessaE	...
21:57	KikaRz	I've disabled youtube messages.
21:57	VanessaE	don't tell well-respected members of this community to "shut up".
21:57	* marktraceur	is flattered
21:57	* KikaRz	is anger.
21:58	celeron55_	thexyz + ops = beware of the nuclear explosions
21:58	KikaRz	better to don't talk more anything
21:58	* VanessaE	looks around her world...I know I missed a door here somewhere.
21:58	VanessaE	celeron55_: pilzadam's doors mod sucks btw :-)
21:58	VanessaE	compared to thexyz's xdoors2
21:58	VanessaE	but that's a small matter of deleting one in favor of the other on my end :-)
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21:59	KikaRz	Lol...
22:00	KikaRz	Kikoobot messages has been hidden for evade spamming ban/kick.
22:01	iqualfragile	thexyz: why did you mute iglooboot?
22:02	KikaRz	iqualfragile, please, go onto another irc channel to test your bot.
22:02	thexyz	it was producing too much unrelated text
22:02	KikaRz	if you want, you can come to the #m13
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22:03	kaeza	hi
22:03	kaeza	again :)
22:03	KikaRz	Hi
22:03	iqualfragile	it?
22:03	iqualfragile	its no it?
22:03	iqualfragile	its no bot
22:03	VanessaE	hey kaeza
22:03	kaeza	what's up V?
22:03	VanessaE	thexyz's and KikaRz's dander ;)
22:03	thexyz	VanessaE, what's the difference? (i haven't tested his doors at all)
22:03	VanessaE	otherwise, not much.
22:04	kaeza	k :)
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22:04	VanessaE	thexyz: your doors are fully 3D including the windows. PilzAdam's are only 3d at the edges of the door, the front/back/windows are 2d.
22:04	VanessaE	so yours appear to have thickness, his don't.
22:05	mauvebic	isnt glass transparent?
22:05	VanessaE	mauvebic: sure, of course
22:05	jin_xi_	do doors still have 2 selectionboxes?
22:05	mauvebic	oh wait, re there little "streaks" on the glass?
22:05	VanessaE	jin_xi_: didn't notice.
22:05	thexyz	hm.. i suppose that was done to make texturemakers' lifes easier
22:05	VanessaE	mauvebic: on default glass blocks, yes.
22:06	VanessaE	thexyz: indeed it was. but it has the side effect of looking just-not-as-good as yours.
22:06	OldCoder	thexyz, I have PMd
22:07	mauvebic	do your doors flicker at the top/bottoms too?
22:07	marktraceur	Is there a way to tie a Minetest chat to an IRC channel?
22:07	VanessaE	I've never seen thexyz's doors (or anyone else's) flicker or have screwed up textures
22:07	Octupus	YES marktraceur
22:07	marktraceur	Octupus: Link?
22:07	VanessaE	even the old xdoors with the default:wood texture looked okay for me
22:08	Octupus	i dont have a link but i can give you a server that had that
22:08	mauvebic	must be a driver glitch, everytime i move it flickers, all of them
22:08	KikaRz	iqualfragile, if you want come.
22:08	Octupus	marktraceur,orbys clan has it ,ask ecube he knows more about it
22:08	Octupus	aftre all he is in the clan
22:08	VanessaE	mauvebic: you mean the edges of the boxes jitter around?
22:08	thexyz	marktraceur: i've already written simple jabber integration (though it has IPC via files)
22:09	VanessaE	mauvebic: are you really far from the center of the map?
22:09	mauvebic	naw i never stray more than 3K from center
22:09	marktraceur	ecube: Do you have docs for tying Minetest chat to an IRC channel?
22:09	mauvebic	marktraceur irc in minetest chat? what about python?
22:09	KikaRz	marktraceur, he did one
22:09	marktraceur	mauvebic: What about Python?
22:10	KikaRz	in another server that he had in other times...
22:10	KikaRz	yep, python works
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22:10	bulletrulz	hi
22:10	KikaRz	just connect it with the debug.txt thing
22:10	KikaRz	in the server vps
22:10	KikaRz	and tada.
22:10	mauvebic	connect to Irc using python
22:10	mauvebic	if lua cant
22:10	* marktraceur	didn't know that Python was that simple
22:10	KikaRz	yes
22:10	marktraceur	But OK, I'll see what I can do. debug.txt seems like a sane-ish way to go
22:10	mauvebic	well no you have to figure out how to conenct
22:10	thexyz	well, that's what i do
22:10	KikaRz	Python is veeeery simple
22:11	KikaRz	i know making a bot.
22:11	mauvebic	but thats what i do to pull weather and news into the game with my big signs
22:11	KikaRz	just connect the bot to IRC and to debug.txt
22:11	marktraceur	KikaRz: Yeah, we saw that evidence earlier, very impressive
22:11	thexyz	write a bot in python, make it communicate with game's lua
22:11	KikaRz	yes
22:11	KikaRz	then with IRC
22:11	* marktraceur	gets it, thanks
22:11	mauvebic	its as simple as using os.execute, having hte python script either return text or save to file
22:11	marktraceur	But if the solution is "make your own" I'd like to hear whether ecube has an existing solution
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22:12	kaeza	Just asking, but does minetest have loadlib() functionality from lua?
22:12	Uberi	you mean the require mechanism?
22:12	kaeza	I mean load native libs
22:12	celeron55_	it does
22:12	kaeza	lua has it IIRC
22:12	celeron55_	i don't know of anyone who would've used luasocket yet
22:13	celeron55_	but it should be perfectly possible and even easy
22:13	kaeza	It would be cool to implement a MT chat <-> IRC link
22:13	OldCoder	Definitely
22:13	VanessaE	agred
22:13	OldCoder	Far too cumbersome to chat in MT now
22:13	VanessaE	agreed
22:13	mauvebic	problem remains how to print a large amount of text
22:13	OldCoder	If you are used to IRC
22:13	OldCoder	Scrollback
22:13	kaeza	thmmm
22:14	VanessaE	yes
22:14	mauvebic	i mean you cant use labels on every line of a formspec, ( i tried, it was ugly) lol
22:14	KikaRz	Hey
22:14	VanessaE	plus the F10 crash is easier to avoid if you can read the text via some other interface
22:14	KikaRz	i guess is not needed LUA
22:14	khonkhortisan	For how many nodes can you run (fast) before being at full speed?
22:14	KikaRz	just connect the bot with the debug.txt
22:14	kaeza	yes but on large amounts of text chat widget blocks inventory
22:14	thexyz	IRC is too outdated, xmpp is way better
22:14	mauvebic	so add a button and make it a tab on the inventory??
22:14	Uberi	yeah the debug.txt way is good
22:14	VanessaE	I have a running log (tail -f debug.txt \| grep -i "chat") to avoid having to use F10 on my little server
22:15	VanessaE	xmpp = I have to use a new client.
22:15	VanessaE	no, use IRC.
22:15	kaeza	mauvebic: nice idea
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22:15	Uberi	if it ain't broke, don't fix it
22:15	Uberi	IRC ain't broke :P
22:15	kaeza	hmmm... gotta research on IRC protocol
22:16	thexyz	VanessaE: >baby duck syndrome
22:16	Uberi	kaeza: the RFC is probably the best reference
22:16	mauvebic	http://luaforge.net/projects/luairc/
22:16	kaeza	Uberi: now looking at it
22:17	KikaRz	404 Oops, no such project or page.
22:17	KikaRz	in very big
22:17	VanessaE	thexyz: sure, but at the same time I'm accustomed to IRC. I've been using it for 16 years. Plus I hate instant messengers.
22:17	KikaRz	in luairc.luaforge.net
22:18	mauvebic	IRC, ICQ, MSN, been on the net for 20 odd years now lol
22:18	mauvebic	you get used to anything lol
22:18	Uberi	IRC makes sense, is all
22:18	VanessaE	mauvebic: IRC has been around longer, but I'm talking about the use of the client, not the protocol
22:18	thexyz	VanessaE, wait, isn't irc an "instant messenger"?
22:18	kaeza	mauvebic: 404
22:19	mauvebic	seems to me a programmer will chose whatever protocal already has a framework in lua or python or cpp
22:19	VanessaE	IRC doesn't rely on buddy lists, centralized servers, or p2p-oriented communication. It's closer to an old yahoo chat room than an IM.
22:19	VanessaE	I say link to IRC, with each server getting its own channel so-named.
22:19	mauvebic	irc is prolly the easiest to implement
22:19	Uberi\|Busy	plus the protocol is pretty simple and human-readable and writable
22:19	VanessaE	with a bot therein to pass messages back and forth to the MT client.
22:19	VanessaE	er, MT server.
22:19	kaeza	VanessaE: +1
22:19	Uberi\|Busy	unlike those XML based ones
22:20	mauvebic	whats wrong with XML? lol
22:20	mauvebic	you never had to learn regular expressions i see
22:20	VanessaE	use Freenode for the IRC network since we all come here anyway for MT-related chat
22:20	jin_xi_	regarding doors mod, it does use one-node high selection boxes. i think it would look better if its only one, like this snippet makes: http://pastebin.com/ZjQB2LQN
22:20	kaeza	Uberi\|Busy: I like simple protocols, XML is way too heavy
22:20	KikaRz	http://files.luaforge.net/releases/luairc/luairc/0.3
22:20	mauvebic	only if you use indiv tags for <day><month><year> lol
22:20	kaeza	KikaRz: already got it
22:21	bulletrulz	windows 8 gave linux another chance:D
22:21	Uberi\|Busy	mauvebic: would you rather write MSG #minetest this is a message or <message><channel value="#minetest"><text>this is a message</text></channel></message>? :P
22:21	Uberi\|Busy	agreed, kaeza
22:21	Uberi\|Busy	it's fast, light, and low bandwidth
22:22	Uberi\|Busy	it doesn't need a huge XML parser to read/write, you can implement it in anything that supports sockets
22:22	Uberi\|Busy	you can just dump it to a text file and it's acceptable for reading
22:22	kaeza	mauvebic: What's wrong with simply "12:34:56 kaeza Hello!"? do you think "<message time="12:34:56" user="kaeza">Hello!</message>" is best?
22:22	mauvebic	depends
22:22	mauvebic	how many entries we talking about?
22:23	kaeza	how many do you see here? :)
22:23	mauvebic	it also depends if you want to sort your entries or display them in whatever form theyre saved
22:25	VanessaE	If you keep your text format consistent, you can still make it machine readable.
22:25	kaeza	mauvebic: Yeah, and it's probably beter to just "sort -a 'chat.log'" than developing yet another parser for XML based log
22:25	VanessaE	[2012-01-01 12:34:56] <kaeza> Hello!
22:25	VanessaE	easily machine- and human-readable.
22:26	bulletrulz	do u think the post pc error will happen
22:26	VanessaE	error?
22:26	kaeza	VanessaE: better than <msg date="xxx" time="xxx" user="xxx">Hello!</msg>
22:26	VanessaE	kaeza: considerably.
22:27	VanessaE	bulletrulz: you mean the post-PC "era"? No, never gonna happen. Desktop PCs have too many uses to be completely supplanted by notebooks and tablets.
22:27	VanessaE	the form factor and technology will change, but the purpose and name will not.
22:27	bulletrulz	VanessaE i agrre
22:28	Uberi\|Busy	yeah I tried to edit a video on a tablet the other day
22:28	Uberi\|Busy	failed miserably
22:28	iqualfragile	does minetest use udp?
22:28	VanessaE	iqualfragile: yes.
22:28	iqualfragile	thanks
22:28	VanessaE	Uberi\|Busy: exactly. tablets are just not powerful enough to handle anything really demanding like that.
22:28	VanessaE	and they probably won't be for a very LONG time.
22:29	Uberi\|Busy	IMO not a matter of power, really, moore's law will take care of that to some degree
22:29	kaeza	Tablets were meant and are still meant for small bookkeeping tasks
22:29	VanessaE	until we can figure out how to get 4GHz worth of Athlon-class CPU power (or better) into a package that's both small and runs cool..
22:29	jin_xi_	is there a mod that allows obtaining colored wool via crafting?
22:29	Uberi\|Busy	it's more that I really need a mouse + physical keyboard + big monitor
22:29	VanessaE	power is less of a problem than waste heat.
22:29	VanessaE	jin_xi_: Jordach's Woolcraft
22:29	VanessaE	jin_xi_: it uses the standard recipes from the old wool mod.
22:29	kaeza	If you buy a tablet to do serious work, you're gonna have a bad time...
22:29	mauvebic	reminds me i need to change the thermal paste on my processor lol
22:29	VanessaE	with a couple of tweaks.
22:30	Uberi\|Busy	my hands are cramping after playing MCPE for about an hour
22:30	bulletrulz	linux acctully has about 8% of market shar
22:30	VanessaE	but be aware that it may not work anymore. last time I tried to use it, it didn't.
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22:30	VanessaE	bulletrulz: try 75% - linux runs on most of the servers in the world as well as more than half of all cell phones and tablets.
22:30	VanessaE	for the desktop, 8% sounds about right though
22:30	mauvebic	yeah but its still a pain ITA for the average consumer
22:31	VanessaE	mauvebic: not so much anymore, it's getting much better.
22:31	mauvebic	tell that to the hoards of people running from ubuntu lol just kiddin "[
22:31	mauvebic	*:p
22:31	mauvebic	honestly i miss the old ubuntu
22:31	Uberi\|Busy	Linux Mint just isn't the same
22:31	mauvebic	every arch update is a "learning experience" lol
22:32	jin_xi_	thanks
22:32	Uberi\|Busy	won't bring back that charming jackelope
22:32	kaeza	I started my life in Linux with the lean and mean Puppy
22:32	kaeza	http://puppylinux.org
22:32	KikaRz	Love Puppy Linux
22:32	KikaRz	its the best
22:32	mauvebic	i love how they keep attacking nvidia too
22:32	Uberi\|Busy	puppy's got amazing hardware support for such a small distro
22:32	mauvebic	smart move linux
22:33	mauvebic	nouveau's never worked out of the box for me lol
22:34	kaeza	If you add up the development environment, you get around 230MB
22:34	VanessaE	I run Xubuntu so that I don't have to fight with crap like Unity/gnome3
22:34	VanessaE	I can not stand unity.
22:34	KikaRz	me neither
22:34	KikaRz	-
22:34	mauvebic	you and me both lol
22:34	kaeza	yet full-featured with office suite
22:34	VanessaE	a tablet metaphor does NOT work on the desktop!!
22:34	KikaRz	what yesterday i've tried?
22:34	mauvebic	i had the top thread on ubuntu forums for awhile detailing why computer literate people would ditch unity in a heartbeat lol
22:34	Uberi\|Busy	I want to see my window titles in the taskbar!
22:34	KikaRz	MAKING MY COMPUTER A FOURTHPLE SCREENS!
22:34	KikaRz	_
22:34	KikaRz	Epic!
22:35	kaeza	Uberi\|Busy: lol
22:35	mauvebic	XFCE kicks ass, et even tiles my windows at the edges now (THATs genius)
22:35	kaeza	I hate Unity too
22:36	kaeza	mauvebic: The xfce desktop is nice, but somehow borked my comp
22:36	mauvebic	unity is what it is because they gave designers (of all people) final word on everything
22:36	Uberi\|Busy	but hey, it is genuinely good for new users in my experience
22:36	mauvebic	xfce?
22:36	mauvebic	borked your desktop? crap how?
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22:36	KikaRz	mauvebic, no.
22:37	KikaRz	Not Xfce
22:37	kaeza	mauvebic: to start, It was at 50% performance even with compositing turned off
22:37	KikaRz	but yes, real screens
22:37	mauvebic	weird
22:37	KikaRz	4 monitors
22:37	KikaRz	-
22:37	KikaRz	better than xfce
22:37	mauvebic	arch + xfce running binary nvidia i get 1-2% cpu during idle
22:37	KikaRz	can move mouse to everywhere
22:38	Uberi\|Busy	somehow unity eats 11% at idle...
22:38	KikaRz	yea
22:38	Uberi\|Busy	I don't even know how you let that happen
22:38	KikaRz	i hate unity
22:38	KikaRz	that sucks.
22:38	kaeza	also "full-screen windows" could not be created no matter what
22:38	mauvebic	1-2% on a P4 (worth underlining)
22:39	kaeza	50% on an intel E5700 Dual-Core
22:39	bulletrulz	i use LXDE
22:39	kaeza	:(
22:39	KikaRz	well people
22:39	KikaRz	gotta go...
22:39	mauvebic	try archbang in a VM see how that goes?
22:39	VanessaE	kaeza: 2-3% CPU at idle, and that'
22:39	KikaRz	see you tomorrow
22:39	KikaRz	kisses
22:39	VanessaE	kaeza: 2-3% CPU at idle, and that's with a (currently unoccupied) minetest server running.
22:39	kaeza	see ya KikaRz
22:39	mauvebic	how can you run minetest and have 2-3%???
22:40	mauvebic	even on the new dualcore one of the CPU bars is pretty full lol
22:40	VanessaE	mauvebic: unoccupied. When active, it ties up only about 12% CPU.
22:40	kaeza	I have 100% in one cPU while running minetest
22:40	kaeza	10% *
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22:40	iqualfragile1	well, actualy that just inspired me to create a bash-based chatbot
22:40	mauvebic	mind you if my FPS is going down is prolly the 100+ decorative nodes i use
22:41	KikaRz	kisses VanessaE, kaeza, mauvebic, iglooboot, Uberi\|Busy, ecube, OldCoder, ChanServ , iqualfragile, Freefull, iqualfragile1, Muadtralk, etc...
22:41	VanessaE	now, the CLIENT eats CPU of course. usually right around 100% since it's rendering full tilt 256px textures :-)
22:41	VanessaE	bye KikaRz
22:41	KikaRz	sorry for that whole list...
22:41	KikaRz	bye :P
22:41	kaeza	KikaRz: :)
22:41	VanessaE	mauvebic: I have over 1300 defined nodes in my server.
22:41	iqualfragile1	bb
22:41	Uberi\|Busy	did you say 256px? O_o
22:41	mauvebic	tabarnacle
22:41	VanessaE	Uberi\|Busy: yes, 256px.
22:41	Uberi\|Busy	that's insane, VanessaE
22:41	VanessaE	Uberi\|Busy: I used to run 512px, but I got tired of the lags caused by it (and I mean lag, not FPS loss)
22:42	VanessaE	Uberi\|Busy: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/minetest-screenshot-vanessa512hd-1.png
22:42	VanessaE	512px version. 256px would look nearly identical from that distance.
22:43	bulletrulz	can i install emerald in lubuntu
22:43	mauvebic	emerald... for copmpiz?
22:43	mauvebic	*compiz
22:43	Uberi\|Busy	if I were a GPU, I'd roll over and die at the sight of thatr
22:43	kaeza	this^
22:44	mauvebic	emerald is duck-ugly but yeah its in synaptic
22:44	VanessaE	Uberi\|Busy: 50+ fps in my Radeon HD6870 with proprietary driver in Linux :-)
22:44	mauvebic	nice
22:44	Uberi\|Busy	probably ~1fps on my intel integrated :P
22:44	mauvebic	my olde tower (p4 new nvidia) gets 60FPS, the new tower does too lol
22:44	VanessaE	mauvebic: oh, they finally put emerald back in? nice.
22:44	mauvebic	they took it out?
22:44	VanessaE	Uberi\|Busy: my laptop (Mobility Radon 9600 gfx) can do about 18 fps with the 64px version.
22:44	mauvebic	well you can still compile emerald?
22:44	VanessaE	mauvebic: at one time, they did yeah
22:45	mauvebic	i have a working version here so its still maintained at least
22:45	VanessaE	which pissed me off to no end, I liked emerald.
22:45	mauvebic	emerald is fine
22:45	mauvebic	its nice themes that are hard to find
22:45	VanessaE	but I don't use compiz anymore, so that's a moot point
22:45	mauvebic	me neither
22:45	mauvebic	not even compositing on xfce
22:45	mauvebic	its soo 2009
22:45	mauvebic	remember when widgets were the rage?
22:45	VanessaE	I donm
22:46	VanessaE	I don't use compositing here either.
22:46	VanessaE	widgets?
22:46	VanessaE	"What's a widget?"
22:46	Uberi\|Busy	oh how the times change
22:46	VanessaE	"It's a fictional product. It doesn't matter."
22:46	VanessaE	"[Scoffs] Tell that to the bank."
22:46	mauvebic	widget like that crap you put on the background of an android phone, calendars memos and such
22:47	VanessaE	mauvebic: oh. Well I don't own a smartphone, so... :-)
22:47	VanessaE	but I have a number of panel applets I use, may as well be the same thing
22:47	Uberi\|Busy	oh and those windows "desktop gadgets"
22:47	khonkhortisan	I can use widgets with kde
22:47	Uberi\|Busy	I used those for maybe a week before they started to irk me
22:47	mauvebic	desktop gadgets == widgets for one of the other companies doing them at the time
22:49	OldCoder	k
22:50	VanessaE	kaeza: thanks for fielding those questions on the homedecor thread. I speak english and broken english, but not fucking-broken-english :D
22:51	mauvebic	can a mod access the world db directly while in play?
22:51	VanessaE	dunno, I wouldn't think so.
22:52	VanessaE	good luck interpreting an sqlite database in Lua anyway :-)
22:52	mauvebic	if its anything like mysql i have a few years exp for starts
22:52	mauvebic	the blobs might be a bit tricky though lol
22:52	kaeza	mauvebic: maybe if there's an SQLite binding for lua
22:53	kaeza	VanessaE: no prob
22:53	kaeza	sorry, was out for a bit :)
22:53	mauvebic	i saw this video of a guy importing simcity 2000 maps into minecraft, it was cool
22:57	mauvebic	wonder if it might not be more efficient to store blueprints into their own DB
22:58	mauvebic	for a mod like towntest/simcity to work, you need easy/fast access to blueprints
22:58	VanessaE	why not export to worldedit format?
22:58	VanessaE	then use that mod to load the converted city
22:59	mauvebic	i dont store them the same as worldedit
22:59	kaeza	I have been tinkering also with an idea
22:59	VanessaE	the question, however, is how do you render a simcity building into Minetest/craft? 10x10x10 nodes? larger?
22:59	mauvebic	i recently blueprinted a ship containing 50K nodes, i had to come up with some unique solutions lol
22:59	kaeza	maybe make a tool that makes the diff of a world based on it's seed
22:59	VanessaE	maybe one mapblock per building?
22:59	mauvebic	the way i see it
23:00	mauvebic	for simcity
23:00	mauvebic	if one square = one house plus a hard
23:00	mauvebic	id figure one simcity square is at least a 10x10 in minetest?
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23:01	VanessaE	of course, I haven't played simcity since micropolis (and I still have it), or Lincity-NG
23:01	VanessaE	so I have no idea what modern Simcity looks like :-)
23:01	mauvebic	sim societies suck
23:01	kaeza	I only played SimCity 2000 on my SNES
23:01	mauvebic	simcity 4k and cities XL are the best of their category
23:01	mauvebic	well id like the most basic of construction to be as easy as simcity (like roads and such)
23:02	VanessaE	but if you were using micropolis as the basis, I would say one square (of which 3x3 make a residential/commercial/industrial zone) would need to render to no less than one 16x16x16 mapblock
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23:02	mauvebic	but more then that it would be nice to designate lots ingame and have the mod figure which blueprint fits there and build it
23:02	kaeza	mauvebic: +1
23:02	VanessaE	otherwise there wouldn't be enough room to actually walk around inside the buildings.
23:03	mauvebic	the thing with my format is i store the nodename once and then each set of coordinates
23:03	mauvebic	id have to write a converter for WEP plans
23:04	mauvebic	*rather a reader
23:05	mauvebic	but what would be simpler is having all plans/blueprints databased instead lol
23:06	kaeza	brb. Food calls :)
23:07	VanessaE	I think I'll follow kaeza's lead. dinner time.
23:07	VanessaE	bbl
23:08	mauvebic	i should have dinner too, brb, getting a beer and cigarette lol
23:09	Uberi\|Busy	mmm, food
23:16	* VanessaE	returns wielding a can of garbanzo beans and a bowl of tuna salad
23:17	* marktraceur	ducks
23:19	VanessaE	lol
23:28	kaeza	back
23:28	VanessaE	wb
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23:28	rarkenin	Hey... It';s me again. I have a debug.txt but it has nothing useful. Only:
23:28	rarkenin	In trans_func.
23:28	rarkenin	Access violation at 00EDC852 write?=0 address=249
23:28	rarkenin	In trans_func.
23:28	rarkenin	Access violation at 00EDC852 write?=0 address=249
23:28	rarkenin	18:27:26: ERROR[main]: Some exception: "Access violation"
23:28	rarkenin	18:27:26: INFO[main]: Searching worlds...
23:28	rarkenin	18:27:26: INFO[main]: In C:\Users\Alexander\Desktop\Minecraft\minetest-0.4.3-win32\bin\..\worlds:
23:28	rarkenin	18:27:26: INFO[main]: 0gb.us etst minimal (invalid: rwar) test testtset
23:28	rarkenin	18:27:26: INFO[main]: 5 found.
23:29	rarkenin	18:27:26: INFO[main]: Waiting for other menus
23:29	rarkenin	18:27:26: INFO[main]: Waited for other menus
23:29	rarkenin	18:27:26: VERBOSE[main]: error_message = Some exception: "Access violation"
23:29	VanessaE	DON'T PASTE HERE!
23:29	kaeza	nonononono
23:29	kaeza	USE F*CKING PASTEBIN!!
23:29	VanessaE	Use a pastebin!
23:29	rarkenin	My apolgies. It was only that much,
23:29	Uberi\|Busy	uh oh access violations
23:29	VanessaE	I have yet to see an explanation of what "Access violation" actually means in this context
23:30	Uberi\|Busy	the world ends not in a bang, but in access violations
23:30	kaeza	lol
23:30	VanessaE	lol
23:30	rarkenin	Full debug,txt coming on Pastebin...
23:30	kaeza	That's when God hits line 15837 of humanity.cpp
23:31	rarkenin	No other context, Happens when sending a chat message or logging on.
23:31	Uberi\|Busy	access violations occur when you try to access memory outside of the memory that you have permission to
23:31	VanessaE	kaeza: no, see He just missed a comma but can't find it because he didn't break his code up into decently-sized modules :-)
23:31	kaeza	lol
23:31	rarkenin	Then dunps me at main menu but plays on for a while.
23:31	VanessaE	Uberi\|Busy: so, a segfault
23:31	Uberi\|Busy	pretty much
23:31	Uberi\|Busy	but it applies to more than just the segmented memory model
23:32	VanessaE	right
23:32	rarkenin	Pastebin is killing my bandwidth right now,
23:32	VanessaE	plus of course the game is still running.
23:32	VanessaE	(so to speak)
23:32	kaeza	women.cpp: 32: in Women::think: NonThinkingEntityException
23:32	rarkenin	No, it's not. I had to exit it to get at the debug file.
23:32	VanessaE	:P
23:32	Uberi\|Busy	:O
23:33	VanessaE	kaeza: well, see He knew I was gonna make Unified Dyes, so he went forward in time, grabbed the stable version, and installed it back in time :D
23:33	VanessaE	that's why we have better color vision than men :D
23:33	kaeza	lol
23:34	* kaeza	is dying because that statemen is true. PS: i'm colorblind remember?
23:34	VanessaE	HAH! I forgot
23:34	VanessaE	sorry about that :D
23:34	kaeza	np
23:34	kaeza	j/k :)
23:34	Uberi\|Busy	oh cool
23:35	VanessaE	so you meant to say "I'm colorblind, you insensitive bitch (clod)!"
23:35	kaeza	lol yea
23:35	kaeza	:P
23:35	VanessaE	sigh. I read too much slashdot
23:36	kaeza	rarkenin: pastebin... much bandwidht... I don't see how that's possible
23:37	VanessaE	not to mention that if it's killing your CPU or network, use a different pastebin or get a better browser :-)
23:38	rarkenin	I don't know. It was 216 MB and I failed to redact it... :'( I;m redacting it now,.
23:39	VanessaE	oops!
23:39	VanessaE	well, delete debug.txt, run the game until it crashes, then pastebin that
23:39	VanessaE	216MB worth of debug text is not useful.
23:39	* OldCoder	is AFK on an errand
23:39	OldCoder	Sure it is if you use Perl
23:40	kaeza	YAY! Let's start another browser WAR! http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ylEf-I3KFg0/UBfSZmvRRlI/AAAAAAAALz4/cA_Cs1pqtW8/s1600/browser-humor.jpg
23:40	VanessaE	OldCoder: some of us don't speak line noise :D
23:40	Uberi\|Busy	tail -f debug.txt
23:40	Uberi\|Busy	some people don't like to write like cartoon characters swearing
23:40	mauvebic	browser wars? everyone know my browser has the biggest cache around ;P
23:40	VanessaE	lol
23:41	OldCoder	Hmm?
23:41	mauvebic	lolll
23:41	* OldCoder	is lost and confused
23:41	mauvebic	ive been drinking, carry on :P
23:41	OldCoder	All right
23:41	VanessaE	perl = the language of line noise :D
23:41	mauvebic	people still do perl?
23:41	rarkenin	VanessaE: I'm just going to copy the important parts for the last init.
23:42	rarkenin	http://paste.ubuntu.com/1395721/
23:42	kaeza	that's better
23:42	VanessaE	mauvebic: I thought everyone moved on to Ruby by now? ;-)
23:42	mauvebic	ruby? oh god no lol
23:42	Uberi\|Busy	hahaha
23:42	mauvebic	i started with perl in...97? then php and so on
23:42	OldCoder	mauvebic, I am leaving but quick question; how do you feel when most people you meet are younger than Perl?
23:43	mauvebic	lol age doesnt matter
23:43	kaeza	I accidentaly my minetest. Is this bad?
23:43	marktraceur	kaeza: Yes.
23:43	rarkenin	This sentence no verb.
23:43	mauvebic	i know geezers who cant do basic html
23:43	VanessaE	rarkenin: that seems like a lot of sounds to play at once. do you have ambiance mod install or something?
23:43	mauvebic	and young people who know assembly
23:43	mauvebic	and vica versa
23:43	VanessaE	installed*
23:44	marktraceur	Oh wow, I'm younger than Perl. I'm so scared.
23:44	rarkenin	No. It was a server issue where a sound kept on looping. It was a fire protection mod created by 0gb_us that couldn't stop the fire noise.
23:44	marktraceur	But I also know assembly.
23:44	* marktraceur	is sooo confused
23:44	kaeza	rarkenin: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-accidentally
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23:44	mauvebic	assembly is an awesome skill to hav
23:44	mauvebic	your practically talking to a machine on it's level
23:44	kaeza	hey Kacey
23:45	Kacey	hi
23:45	mauvebic	though it confuses the hell outta might whenever i pick up a book on the subject lol
23:45	marktraceur	mov mauvebic, assemblyknowledge
23:45	mauvebic	i did basic though
23:45	mauvebic	i dont remember it now i was 6 i think
23:46	mauvebic	those shitty ass 80's electronic "agendas" (primitive palm pilots lol)
23:47	Kacey	i found my dads old pager
23:47	kaeza	assembler is quickly fading out in favor of optimizing compiler. What has the world come to?
23:47	mauvebic	i also had one of these: http://klaus-hamann.de/images/Computer1/Toshiba_T5100.jpg
23:47	Uberi\|Busy	optimizing compilers are getting smarter than ASM programmers, you mean :P
23:48	Uberi\|Busy	they are scary smart these days
23:48	kaeza	yup. Remember the Allegro library? it used to have large parts on ASM
23:49	kaeza	at least before 4.2
23:50	VanessaE	marktraceur: 01:46:30: ACTION[ServerThread]: CHAT: <marktraceur> Do you know what uranium is supposed to do?
23:50	VanessaE	I think that's used with Technic to make nuclear reactors?
23:50	Uberi\|Busy	allegroCL?
23:51	kaeza	CL?
23:51	kaeza	:?
23:53	iqualfragile1	night
23:53	mauvebic	2.2K lines too much for one script?
23:54	marktraceur	VanessaE: Good to know, thanks
23:54	VanessaE	mauvebic: way too much if that's all in one file.
23:55	VanessaE	when you get much beyond about 500 lines, you should split it into multiple files.
23:56	mauvebic	yeah, tricky :/
23:56	VanessaE	it just gets unwieldy for me when a file grows that large, but each person is different in that regard.
23:56	khonkhortisan	than I have 67 lines to go
23:57	Kacey\|busy	idk how many more lines until i hit 500
23:57	mauvebic	frameworks, definitions, they get tangled up lol
23:58	mauvebic	i have weapons that need the shapes from multinode to create mushroom clouds, etc.
23:58	kaeza	what's the best way to update something every 1 second from within minetest?
23:58	mauvebic	at least ive managed to keep the dependencies to 1 or 2 max
23:58	Uberi\|Busy	a node or entity?
23:58	kaeza	global
23:58	mauvebic	-abm or node timer
23:58	mauvebic	on step
23:58	Uberi\|Busy	register_on_globalstep
23:58	kaeza	I'm giving a shot at connecting MT chat to IRC
23:58	Uberi\|Busy	^ kaeza
23:59	mauvebic	sweet :-)
23:59	Uberi\|Busy	oh then use register_on_chatmessage
23:59	mauvebic	screens
23:59	Kacey\|busy	ooh i need that code then
23:59	kaeza	I want to cache the IRC chat in a table and update the local chat widget every second

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