Time  Nick               Message
00:02 jordan4ibanez      How would i go about compiling so there is no debug.txt
00:03 kaeza              minetest; rm -f ~/.minetest/debug.txt    ;)
00:03 Uberi|Away         jordan4ibanez: minetest --debug=""
00:07 marktraceur        jordan4ibanez: There doesn't appear to be a compile option. Better than Uberi's option might be ln -s /dev/null ~/debug.txt
00:09 Uberi|Away         ooh good idea
00:09 Uberi|Away         over here I use a batch file to start it up
00:12 leo_rockway        so, whatever the congestion branch was doing, it was great.
00:14 jordan4ibanez      congestion branch?
00:14 jordan4ibanez      jordan@jordan-A780L3L:~/Desktop/minetest-0.4.4/bin$ ./minetest --debug="" 19:14:34: ERROR[main]: Unknown command-line parameter "--debug="
00:15 jordan4ibanez      Launched it with ./minetest --debug=""
00:15 jordan4ibanez      got the error:
00:15 jordan4ibanez      19:14:34: ERROR[main]: Unknown command-line parameter "--debug="
00:16 leo_rockway        maybe this one?   --logfile <value>     Set logfile path ('' = no logging)
00:16 Uberi|Away         oh yeah that's the one
00:17 jordan4ibanez      19:17:33: ERROR[main]: Unknown command-line parameter "--logfile="
00:18 Uberi|Away         it's minetest --logfile ""
00:19 jordan4ibanez      There we go
00:21 jordan4ibanez      kde is quite nice, i don't know why i keep switching away from it
00:22 jordan4ibanez      Minetest runs a little faster without the logfile
00:25 leo_rockway        <3 KDE
00:25 leo_rockway        I'm running 4.10 beta 1 :D
00:25 leo_rockway        anyway, dinner. BBL.
00:26 VanessaE           same here, time to go eat.
00:31 Uberi|Away         hey does anyone mind if I make pistons extend/retract faster?
00:31 Uberi|Away         your super delicate timing based piston contraptions might break
00:35 jordan4ibanez      DO IT
00:36 jordan4ibanez      I want to convert the rest of the faitful pack, but, lazy > faitful
00:38 Uberi|Away         done dealio
00:41 NakedFury          is there a gimp script that would break a picture into smaller images in sizes selected by user? example using a terrain.png from minecraft and using the script to break the picture into 32x32 smaller images
00:45 jordan4ibanez      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1NfWIaYed8&feature=related
00:52 Uberi|Away         hey VanessaE[L]
01:00 marktraceur        NakedFury: That sounds like a super-simple ImageMagick command
01:01 VanessaE           back.
01:13 jordan4ibanez      Redcrab, can you host a server for me?
01:13 jordan4ibanez      Or at least, can I help make yours better?
01:13 VanessaE           what do you want to do to it?
01:14 jordan4ibanez      Put technic on it 8)
01:14 VanessaE           nebver gonna happen on that server :-)
01:14 VanessaE           never*
01:14 * marktraceur      muses on the meaning of "better"
01:16 jordan4ibanez      Since i have a hard time hosting a server on my own computer, i need someone to host for me that has a fast server
01:16 VanessaE           well you've seen how slow my server is :-)
01:16 VanessaE           and the box it runs on is no slouch either
01:17 jordan4ibanez      I've said my computer specs and my server blazes even with a ton of mods, I don't know why yours lags
01:17 marktraceur        jordan4ibanez: There are nice people who will host a server for you at the low low price of ~$19 per month
01:18 NekoGloop          Yayz k/d ratio of 2:1!
01:19 Muadtralk          jordan4ibanez
01:19 jordan4ibanez      Maudtralk
01:19 NekoGloop          And now i'm being massacerd.
01:19 Muadtralk          i would be happy to host for you just tell me your prequisites
01:19 NekoGloop          ... Like the english language.
01:21 jordan4ibanez      No thank you
01:21 Muadtralk          no?
01:21 jordan4ibanez      Server specs?
01:27 NekoGloop          Fucking FPS noobs. Shoot once you can hit me... Not when you see me...
01:28 Dogzilla131        which server is that one
01:54 marktraceur        Hm. Had a brain blast on the BART ride home.
01:54 VanessaE           oh?
01:54 marktraceur        Lua mods could probably integrate with other web-type services over HTTP APIs
01:55 VanessaE           interesting idea
01:55 NekoGloop          FPS logic: get shot in chest, live. get shot in foot, die.
01:55 marktraceur        My first thought was OpenBadges, Mozilla's deal....host an OpenBadges instance and (maybe) a Persona instance on a machine, use a Lua mod to keep track of "how many of X have you done", award badges as appopriate
01:57 marktraceur        But then I thought it might be possible to integrate with MediaWiki somehow....use MediaWiki to store contents of letters or books, for example. That one's not as well-thought out, but it's certainly possible to use it for other things, like a bulletin board or library on the server.
01:59 NekoGloop          12:12 k/d ratio. Seems legit.
01:59 NakedFury          mark you want to try something like achievements tied to accounts?
02:00 marktraceur        NakedFury: Roughly so, yes.
02:00 NakedFury          Playstation Trophies, Xbox Achievements?
02:00 marktraceur        NakedFury: OpenBadges
02:01 NekoGloop          NakedFury: Did i mention the FPS game i mentioned is free (voicechat has to be bought though)
02:02 NakedFury          would that work as a logger of a players work? like have statistic about the player? Player X has mined ## number stone blocks, # of iron, etc. died # of times
02:02 NakedFury          yes you did
02:02 marktraceur        NakedFury: I'm not sure they do partial badges, but I could look more
02:04 NekoGloop          And fuck this 'GustavoAdame' person.
02:04 NekoGloop          He has 6 kills. I have 6 deaths. Do the logic.
02:04 NekoGloop          (Now 7)
02:06 NakedFury          the way I see to do it is to have accounts tied to the servers website or private forum, if any, there they can access a Statistics or Profile page where they check the games achievements and how many they have left to do, check how many miles or whatever length system is used they have walked, how many times they have jumped, and a bunch of other stuff just added for sillyness and fun.
02:06 NekoGloop          Now i have killed him.
02:07 NekoGloop          Spawn camping <3
02:07 marktraceur        NekoGloop: Care to chat about this FPS you're playing somewhere it's relevant?
02:08 NekoGloop          marktraceur: It isnt relevant anywhere.
02:08 marktraceur        NekoGloop: Then stop talking about it, maybe
02:08 NekoGloop          Fine. I'll just leave then
02:08 * marktraceur      is 120% OK with that
02:10 kaeza              hi
02:10 marktraceur        kaeza: Welcome back!@
02:11 kaeza              Thanks mark.
02:11 kaeza              :)
02:11 kaeza              anything new?
02:11 marktraceur        kaeza: We got rid of NekoGloop for a while
02:14 marktraceur        Ooh ooh ooh, could write an OpenStreetMap mod that maps the game as you play
02:14 leo_rockway        marktraceur: but there is a map mod already.
02:14 marktraceur        leo_rockway: Link?
02:15 leo_rockway        mmhh... hold on
02:16 Kacey              hello
02:16 Aggies             hello
02:16 Kacey              hey he got caps in his name now
02:17 Kacey              wow
02:17 * Aggies           kick Kacey in the nuts with steel toed boots
02:17 leo_rockway        marktraceur: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2747
02:17 * Kacey            hits Aggies with
02:17 Kacey              SPELL-CHECK
02:18 * Kacey            hits Aggies with SPELL-CHECK
02:18 marktraceur        Eugh, seems hacky.
02:18 Kacey              VanessaE is there a new git?
02:18 * Aggies           hits Kacey with auto-fail
02:18 VanessaE           Kacey: git is updated frequently.
02:18 VanessaE           I don't know if there's anything new since you last fetched from it.
02:19 Kacey              uugh well i need to learn how to compile first (OldCoder)
02:20 * adfjjasldkjfjlwa kick Kacey with kitten boots
02:20 * Kacey            wishes to mute Aggies
02:21 Kacey              VanessaE where can i get the new git?
02:21 VanessaE           Kacey: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest  and  https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game
02:21 VanessaE           same as always
02:22 Kacey              i have minetest_game but i need the other git
02:22 VanessaE           you definitely need the other one.
02:22 VanessaE           minetest_game is just a mod pack.
02:23 Kacey              ya
02:23 VanessaE           minetest is the engine.
02:23 AGGIES             I ZO BORED
02:23 Kacey              can you teach me how to copile
02:23 Kacey              compile?
02:23 OldCoder           Hi!
02:24 Kacey              hello
02:24 OldCoder           Kacey, I may be able to do it tomorrow
02:24 OldCoder           As soon as I speak with thexyz again
02:24 Kacey              but i need it now D:
02:25 Kacey              hello
02:25 Kacey              <(
02:25 AGGIES             sup
02:25 kaeza              hey kacey
02:26 AGGIES             i found an awesome website
02:26 Kacey              i need to compile or at least learn to compile
02:27 kaeza              Kacey which os?
02:27 Kacey              windows
02:27 Lumpio-            It would be so much easier on Linux
02:28 Kacey              well my vm wont boot properly
02:29 AGGIES             i dj sorta
02:31 AGGIES             u guys there
02:33 Kacey              good he is gone
02:35 leo_rockway        does water push nodes in master already?
02:35 leo_rockway        or do I still need the builtin_item mod?
02:36 kaeza1             hey tux
02:39 Dogzilla131        is there a command or mod that lets you see yourself
02:39 leo_rockway        no
02:40 NekoGloop          alt+f4 might work.
02:41 leo_rockway        VanessaE: how can I apply the changes of the test server? Is there a branch I can clone?
02:41 leo_rockway        NekoGloop: HaHa
02:41 VanessaE           yeah, clone the regular repo, git checkout congestion_settings
02:41 VanessaE           (or -s)
02:41 leo_rockway        thanks
02:43 leo_rockway        VanessaE: then git pull?
02:43 leo_rockway        I'm not very knowledgeable of git...
02:43 VanessaE           nope
02:43 VanessaE           just clone or pull, then checkout and build.
02:43 VanessaE           (the clone step already grabs all branches)
02:43 leo_rockway        % git checkout congestion_setting
02:43 leo_rockway        Branch congestion_setting set up to track remote branch congestion_setting from origin.
02:43 leo_rockway        Switched to a new branch 'congestion_setting'
02:43 VanessaE           yup.
02:43 leo_rockway        okay
02:43 VanessaE           now build it.
02:44 leo_rockway        I'll build now, then. Thank you.
02:52 marktraceur        Hm, maybe a better idea would be a live map viewer that uses some more sophisticated SQL. /me starts that
02:53 VanessaE           wait, make sure it works with leveldb maps too.
02:53 marktraceur        VanessaE: Why? Don't modern maps all use sqlite?
02:54 VanessaE           no.
02:54 VanessaE           OldCoder and thexyz have been working on/testing using leveldb as the backend/storage method for maps
02:54 marktraceur        Hm. /me will look at it
02:54 VanessaE           it's supposed to be way faster than sql
02:54 marktraceur        VanessaE: sql, or sqlite?
02:54 VanessaE           (sqlite)
02:55 leo_rockway        anybody knows how to fix this? http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=190&t=111342
02:56 NakedFury          marktraceur: this is what you would want? http://map.massivecraft.com/   an online active map showing all explores regions, points of interest, and players position? all configurable
02:56 leo_rockway        I'm on Debian Wheezy
02:56 marktraceur        NakedFury: Similar, yes
02:57 NakedFury          http://dev.bukkit.org/server-mods/dynmap/  and   http://docs.overviewer.org/en/latest/
02:57 NakedFury          those 2 do that
02:57 leo_rockway        oh, here's my answer
02:58 leo_rockway        https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/64
02:58 Kacey              i must go
02:59 marktraceur        Looks like Overviewer is a good system to use, thanks NakedFury
03:01 marktraceur        Ooh, it's even in Python
03:02 NakedFury          didnt know, I just posted them here so you could see examples and maybe copy them
03:02 marktraceur        I'll see if I can't figure out how to support n DB formats and m mods with this system.
03:05 marktraceur        Hm, uses the Google Maps API for rendering. That's just not necessary.
03:06 NekoGloop          Fucking crashes.
03:06 marktraceur        NekoGloop: I thought you were leaving?
03:07 NekoGloop          marktraceur: I thought you were a dick?
03:08 marktraceur        NekoGloop: I like people to stay on topic, sorry if you disagree with that, I guess we could ask the ops in the channel if they want to change the rules of IRC to fit your desires
03:08 NekoGloop          What topic?
03:09 marktraceur        NekoGloop: Minetest.
03:16 Muadtralk          http://ompldr.org/vZ2g4eA/screenshot_1157764264.png
03:16 Muadtralk          anyone have an explaination?
03:17 telek              8 bit color mode? :D
03:18 NekoGloop          Texture pack
03:19 Muadtralk          not the colour
03:19 Muadtralk          the head
03:19 Muadtralk          see how its black
03:20 VanessaE           Muadtralk: your client is out of date relative to the server.
03:20 Muadtralk          hmmmm
03:20 VanessaE           that was fixed already.
03:20 Muadtralk          i think the server is outdate relative to the client
03:20 Muadtralk          would that explain it?
03:20 VanessaE           try signing into mine
03:20 Muadtralk          i did
03:20 Muadtralk          it works fine
03:21 Muadtralk          :)
03:21 VanessaE           ok, server must be b0rk3d then :-)
03:22 Muadtralk          yep!
03:22 VanessaE           that bug was fixed right after the 3d models got pushed in
03:34 leo_rockway        why does the player_textures mod asks for two files? I thought that the skins were only one file, spread open.
03:34 leo_rockway        oh, wait... not compatible with 3d players
03:34 VanessaE           wrong version
03:34 leo_rockway        which one do I need for 3d players skins?
03:34 VanessaE           you need the recent one
03:34 VanessaE           https://github.com/sdzen/player_textures
03:35 leo_rockway        thank you
03:35 VanessaE           clone that, put in player_somename.png for the (case-sensitive) player in question, restart the server.
03:35 VanessaE           ignore the textures it comes with
03:36 VanessaE           you have to install that mod into your games/minetest_game/mods folder
03:36 leo_rockway        yup, done that, thanks
03:36 VanessaE           it will not work properly in mods/minetest
03:36 VanessaE           ok
03:36 leo_rockway        now looking for a neat skin, hehe
03:36 NekoGloop          Do we have the imagery of the motion in the relative orders of the player model rendering?
03:37 VanessaE           huh?
03:37 NekoGloop          Do we have model animations?
03:37 VanessaE           oh sure
03:37 VanessaE           players "walk" around when the move
03:37 NekoGloop          :D
03:37 VanessaE           more animations to follow I'm sure.
03:37 NekoGloop          Digging?
03:37 VanessaE           digging too,
03:37 NekoGloop          Holding items?
03:37 leo_rockway        not yet
03:38 VanessaE           players used to "die" but that's been changed to just lying down
03:38 leo_rockway        but it's a WIP
03:38 NekoGloop          :(
03:38 VanessaE           players can sit too
03:38 VanessaE           (though nothing uses that feature yet)
03:38 NekoGloop          VanessaE: Like MC?
03:38 NekoGloop          (Falling to the left)
03:38 NakedFury          can they fly?
03:38 VanessaE           NakedFury: no.
03:38 VanessaE           NekoGloop: they used to fall backwards, like a movie character getting shot.
03:38 VanessaE           now they just lie down on their backs on dieing.
03:39 NakedFury          we need flying, drowning, swimming, crushing, falling, lava dying animations
03:39 VanessaE           (taoki had trouble with animation looping on death)
03:39 VanessaE           NakedFury: so supply them :-)
03:39 NakedFury          dont have the client yet
03:39 VanessaE           get it :-)
03:39 NakedFury          and finals are coming so I wont be able to do minetest much until its over
03:42 VanessaE           wb kaeza
03:49 marktraceur        Damn it.
03:49 marktraceur        VanessaE: IP and port?
03:50 VanessaE           24.181.193.82 port 30000
03:50 * marktraceur      is annoyed at his own desire to play with others
03:51 VanessaE           why?
03:51 leo_rockway        VanessaE: I'm playing on my friend's server and everything goes super slow. I either didn't get the changes from that branch, or they don't work miracles like they did on your server o.o
03:51 marktraceur        Because it means I can't play on the established server
03:51 VanessaE           leo_rockway: the server admin is the one who has to apply the branch and new settings
03:51 marktraceur        s/the/my/
03:52 VanessaE           so your friend has to fetch the congestion_setting branch and tweak the associated settings.
03:52 leo_rockway        VanessaE: I'm my friend's server admin
03:52 leo_rockway        I git cloned master
03:52 leo_rockway        then switched to congestion_settings
03:53 leo_rockway        how do I tweak the associated settings?
03:53 VanessaE           oh ok
03:53 VanessaE           https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/1d330c17157998f171fb0bee15c8e3af93c6eee5/minetest.conf.example#L201
03:53 VanessaE           those last three settings.
03:54 VanessaE           I turned the rtt one to 0.6, and min rate to 50, but that was a first attempt and is far from optimal.
03:54 VanessaE           still, it did give most folks a nice boost in bandwidth
03:54 leo_rockway        okay, thank you!
03:55 VanessaE           no prob :-)\
03:55 marktraceur        Holy gods, that takes some time to download the media, eh
03:55 VanessaE           min and max rates are packets per second.
03:55 VanessaE           I think the rtt is a measure of seconds.
03:55 VanessaE           marktraceur: yeah, that server features A Metric Assload of Mods â„¢
03:55 marktraceur        Oh, hm.
03:56 leo_rockway        also, my skin didn't work... I wonder if it's because my nick has an underscore
03:56 marktraceur        VanessaE: Any server with a metric cubic metre instead?
03:56 VanessaE           and 30000 is not running the congestion_setting branch, it's running master, hence it's slow.
03:56 marktraceur        Ah.
03:56 VanessaE           um, maybe redcrab.suret.net:30401
03:56 VanessaE           :-)
03:56 VanessaE           there are a fair number of mods there
03:57 VanessaE           well that didn't take you too long
03:59 leo_rockway        well... 7 seconds of lag :S
04:01 leo_rockway        VanessaE: did you have anticheat turned off in that server too?
04:01 VanessaE           yes
04:01 leo_rockway        oh... how can I turn those off?
04:02 VanessaE           disable_anticheat = true
04:02 leo_rockway        I thought it needed code tweaking
04:02 leo_rockway        thank you
04:07 VanessaE           no prob
04:08 leo_rockway        that lowered my lag from 7 seconds to 4 seconds
04:14 NekoGloop          My lag is 90 minutes.
04:16 leo_rockway        I can't get the skins to work :S
04:21 marktraceur        Whoa. Crash.
04:22 NekoGloop          Whoa. Bang.
04:27 mrtux              good night
04:27 leo_rockway        VanessaE: this is where I have the skins mod: /usr/share/minetest/games/minetest_game/mods/player_textures
04:27 mrtux              @all: please don't message me while i'm sleeping
04:27 leo_rockway        in there there's a folder called "textures"
04:28 mrtux              etc
04:28 leo_rockway        with this file: player_leorockway.png
04:28 mrtux              goodnight
04:28 leo_rockway        \ø night
04:28 leo_rockway        but I am not seeing the skin
04:30 VanessaE           looks good.
04:30 leo_rockway        no skin :S
04:30 leo_rockway        I'm logging in with a second client
04:31 leo_rockway        still green shirt
04:31 VanessaE           you have to make sure you sign in *exactly* as leorockway without the underscore
04:31 leo_rockway        yup, I had the underscore before, and the file had the underscore
04:31 VanessaE           and that your world is actually using that game
04:31 leo_rockway        but I thought that maybe that was confusing the mod
04:31 leo_rockway        oh... mmhh... maybe my world is using minimal
04:31 VanessaE           possibly.
04:31 leo_rockway        no, it's not, because the mod is being loaded
04:31 leo_rockway        I added a print to it
04:32 leo_rockway        so my username is indeed leorockway
04:32 leo_rockway        and the name of the file is player_leorockway.png
04:32 leo_rockway        but still no Star Trek uniform o.o
04:37 leo_rockway        I added a print inside if io.open(filename..".png") then
04:37 leo_rockway        and the print shows up... so that's working too
04:38 leo_rockway        weird
04:40 VanessaE           very trange
04:40 VanessaE           very strange
04:40 VanessaE           are you sure that /usr/local/share/minetest/games/minetest_game is actually what's being used?
04:40 VanessaE           rather than a run-in-place build?
04:41 leo_rockway        yup, I just built it
04:41 leo_rockway        no local
04:42 OldCoder           Will somebody help me to test a new avatar?
04:42 OldCoder           You simply need to log in
04:42 leo_rockway        OldCoder: sure
04:42 leo_rockway        this is were I put the file: /usr/share/minetest/games/minetest_game/mods/player_textures/textures/player_leorockway.png
04:42 leo_rockway        it's an actual png
04:42 OldCoder           leo_rockway, one moment
04:42 OldCoder           Hmm
04:42 leo_rockway        this one: http://minecraftgallery.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/TNGcom.png
04:42 OldCoder           Actually I made a new one I wish to test
04:43 OldCoder           But I will add yours too
04:43 OldCoder           Hold on
04:43 leo_rockway        OldCoder: no, I was talking to VanessaE, hehe
04:43 OldCoder           Ah
04:43 leo_rockway        I was testing the skins too
04:43 leo_rockway        but it's not showing up for me
04:43 OldCoder           Let's try
04:45 OldCoder           leo_rockway, willing to join:
04:45 OldCoder           minetest.org port 30004 as leo
04:45 OldCoder           lower case?
04:45 leo_rockway        okay
04:46 OldCoder           Hold on ty
04:47 leo_rockway        I'm joining already
04:47 leo_rockway        62% media
04:47 OldCoder           Yes
04:47 OldCoder           I see you
04:47 OldCoder           Sorry about the delay
04:48 leo_rockway        I don't see anything yet, still loading, hehe
04:48 OldCoder           leo_rockway, Joining as "leo" and world 30004 not 30000 ?
04:48 leo_rockway        yup
04:48 OldCoder           Works
04:49 OldCoder           I will screenshot
04:49 leo_rockway        media finished loading
04:49 OldCoder           Wait
04:50 OldCoder           Hold still a minute ty
04:50 leo_rockway        Steve o.o
04:50 OldCoder           This one is funny
04:50 OldCoder           Got him
04:50 OldCoder           leo thanks
04:50 OldCoder           I will post shortly
04:50 leo_rockway        why are you 2d?
04:50 OldCoder           These are 2D avatars
04:51 OldCoder           Not 3D
04:51 leo_rockway        oh, okay
04:51 OldCoder           I don't have 0.4.4 yet
04:51 OldCoder           No LevelDB
04:51 leo_rockway        alright
04:51 OldCoder           Dogzilla
04:51 OldCoder           made himself an avatar
04:51 OldCoder           A scary one
04:51 OldCoder           Boo!
04:51 leo_rockway        what's LevelDB?
04:51 OldCoder           A format that fixes the 4GB limit and is faster
04:51 OldCoder           Also less corruption
04:51 leo_rockway        alright
04:52 leo_rockway        well, I'll leave now
04:52 OldCoder           Want to
04:52 OldCoder           see
04:52 OldCoder           yourself?
04:52 OldCoder           You can leave the game
04:52 OldCoder           I mean a screenshot
04:52 leo_rockway        yes, post the screenshots, hehe
04:52 OldCoder           Sure
04:52 OldCoder           Working
04:53 OldCoder           http://minetest.org/dogshot.png
04:53 OldCoder           Boo!
04:53 OldCoder           ^ Screenshot
04:53 OldCoder
04:53 leo_rockway        that's scary o.o
04:54 OldCoder           Yep!
04:54 OldCoder           Too much to take!
04:54 leo_rockway        hehe
04:54 OldCoder           VanessaE, ^ Danger!
04:54 VanessaE           ?
04:55 OldCoder           Dangerous character!
04:55 OldCoder           http://minetest.org/dogshot.png
04:57 VanessaE           heh
04:57 VanessaE           weird is what it is :-)
04:58 M13_               hello, all
05:01 OldCoder           M13_, Hi
05:01 OldCoder           VanessaE, As I understand it his name is S173
05:01 OldCoder           and he is very dangerous
05:01 OldCoder           O_O
05:02 VanessaE           heh
05:02 OldCoder           http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r7bqdNyu80
05:02 OldCoder           I have not seen that video
05:02 OldCoder           It is said to feature our friend in action
05:04 M13_               im going to my Facebook cyah all
05:15 kaeza              hi
05:17 OldCoder           kaeza, Hi back
07:10 khonkhortisan      my signs aren't weatherproof
07:14 Aqua               hi
07:14 khonkhortisan      hello
07:14 VanessaE           hi
07:15 khonkhortisan      Know how to hide a railroad switch but have it still work?
07:15 VanessaE           no clue
07:15 khonkhortisan      I'm using two switches and a loop to make a one-way track and I don't want anyone switching it the wrong way
07:16 VanessaE           bury it one node deep and cover over it with leaves or junglegrass or so?
07:17 VanessaE           will it still work then?
07:22 Aqua               whats the previous stble version of minetest?
07:22 khonkhortisan      is there a block that's all one color and doesn't have lines on the edges?
07:22 VanessaE           khonkhortisan: homedecor curtains or large area rugs
07:23 VanessaE           they tile fine but the game's lighting bugs make that a moot point
07:23 VanessaE           (signlike and nodebox objects don't get smoothly lit as you know)
07:23 khonkhortisan      I'm just trying to give the illusion of not moving between the slits
07:24 celeron55          http://fi2.eu.apcdn.com/full/63751.jpg
07:24 khonkhortisan      (been afk)
07:24 VanessaE           ah
07:24 VanessaE           celeron55: epic :-)
07:24 khonkhortisan      hahaha nice printer!
07:24 khonkhortisan      it's better with the ad at the bottom
07:25 Aqua               whats the previous stble version of minetest?
07:25 khonkhortisan      0.4.3?
07:57 Aqua               hi
08:36 * OldCoder         is asleep
08:56 VanessaE           morning Calinou
08:56 Calinou            hi
09:01 * Calinou          is playing some openarena
09:01 VanessaE           cool
09:19 OldCoder           Back!
09:19 OldCoder           VanessaE, don't you need rest?
09:19 VanessaE           good morning OC
09:19 OldCoder           Hey
09:19 OldCoder           <--- Can't sleep
09:19 VanessaE           oh sure, but some nights (light tonight) I have to completely burn out before I can sleep.
09:19 OldCoder           All right
09:50 VanessaE           hey Taoki.
09:50 Taoki              hi
09:54 OldCoder           Hi!
09:55 Calinou            hi
09:57 OldCoder           Calinou, gm
10:20 Ragnar_            hi
10:21 Ragnar_            VanessaE hi :D
10:21 VanessaE           hi
10:22 Ragnar_            :D
10:22 Ragnar_            hey can you help me with a mod?
10:22 VanessaE           like what?
10:22 Ragnar_            it needs me to use NodeBoxes...
10:22 Ragnar_            but idk how to use them... :(
10:22 VanessaE           drawtype = "nodebox",
10:22 Ragnar_            wait...
10:22 Ragnar_            opening Notepad++...wait a sec...
10:22 VanessaE           in your register_node() call.
10:23 VanessaE           then at the bottom of the call,
10:23 VanessaE           node_box = {
10:23 VanessaE           type = "fixed",
10:23 VanessaE           fixed = {
10:23 VanessaE           {x1,y1,z1,x2,y2,z2},
10:23 VanessaE           {x1,y1,z1,x2,y2,z2},
10:23 VanessaE           {x1,y1,z1,x2,y2,z2},
10:23 VanessaE           .... for as many as you need
10:23 VanessaE           }
10:23 VanessaE           }
10:23 Ragnar_            do i first register a note or i just type draw="notebox" ,
10:24 Ragnar_            cause i want to make like doors, but just in a diffrent shape and they move diffrent too...
10:24 Ragnar_            and thats why i need that...
10:24 VanessaE           x1,y1,z1 specify one corner of a nodebox, x2,y2,z2 specify the diagonally opposite corner, in 3d space, relative to the center of the node.  0,0,0 is center, -/+ 0.5 is the edges.
10:25 VanessaE           all of this goes inside your register_node() call.
10:25 VanessaE           for example,
10:25 VanessaE           (pastebin in a sec..)
10:26 VanessaE           http://pastebin.com/Z2yy5tZm
10:26 VanessaE           ^^^ draws a simple little almost-cube-shaped object.
10:26 VanessaE           it's the "small" speaker from home decor.
10:27 VanessaE           more complex example:
10:27 VanessaE           http://pastebin.com/cxRfsHSW
10:28 * Calinou          tried to make some C++ fix to prevent head from shifting downwards when inside a nodebox/transparent block, and miserably failed again
10:28 VanessaE           white glass-and-wood lattice door, but with the drop/after_dig_node/on_punch stuff stripped out (you don't need that yet)
10:28 VanessaE           Calinou: if you can fix that I would be forever grateful
10:28 Ragnar_            xD
10:28 Ragnar_            NO PLEASE NO!!! im too young for complex coding... :(
10:28 VanessaE           it's FUCKING ANNOYING. :-)
10:28 VanessaE           Ragnar_: relax, "more complex" = "more nodeboxes in the node".
10:28 VanessaE           nothing more than that.
10:28 Ragnar_            ow :D
10:29 Ragnar_            well a door doesnt need more noteboxes :D
10:29 Calinou            it's actually very simple -- check if drawtype of a node is "normal" AND walkable, if it is both, then shift head downwards when inside block
10:29 Ragnar_            i think...
10:29 Ragnar_            and...it isn't a door...its a cell cage :D
10:29 Ragnar_            or a cell cage door...idk, im estonian :D
10:29 VanessaE           Ragnar_: in the first pastebin example, you can see how I drew a single cuboid to make the speaker.  In the second example, you can see how I put several variously-sized nodeboxes together (one of which is actually 2d because z1=z2) to make a more detailed shape.
10:30 Ragnar_            ow :D
10:31 VanessaE           Ragnar_: the 'selection box' line should be sized to cover the entire shape of the object you're creating.  If it's thin and tall, make the selection box fit it, etc.
10:31 Ragnar_            if im making a door-ish thing, do i need to put in the ..._top.png?
10:31 VanessaE           same format as node boxes.
10:31 VanessaE           no, not right away you don't.
10:31 VanessaE           I'm just obsessive, so I texture all six directions/faces.
10:31 Ragnar_            tiles = {
10:31 Ragnar_            'homedecor_speaker_top.png',
10:31 Ragnar_            'homedecor_speaker_bottom.png',
10:31 VanessaE           you can use just one or two if that is all you need.
10:31 Ragnar_            'homedecor_speaker_right.png',
10:32 Ragnar_            those are starting from line 4...
10:32 VanessaE           no, the _top, _bottom, etc. are just the filenames I used.  They can be anything you want.
10:32 Ragnar_            i know...
10:32 Ragnar_            but does a door need those ..._top and ..._bottom images+
10:32 VanessaE           _top, _bottom, etc. have no meaning to the nodeboxes aside from making it easier for you to read your own code :D
10:32 Ragnar_            ?
10:33 VanessaE           no.  Use as few or as many texture as you need (up to 6 of course) to get the job done.
10:33 VanessaE           the simplest object could be textured with just one filename.
10:33 * Calinou          got MT to build with an attempted fix
10:33 * OldCoder         is asleep
10:33 VanessaE           for example, those steel bars in 3dforniture?  I think those use only three textures.  They could just as easily use only one if the engine didn't have that nodebox lighting bug.
10:34 Ragnar_            hey vanessa...i have a problem with my minetest...i start it, and then the screen is white and the textboxes/buttons are black...
10:34 Ragnar_            why?
10:34 VanessaE           no idea.  video driver bug probably?
10:34 VanessaE           broken, corrupted, or missing video driver is my only guess
10:35 Ragnar_            ow...
10:35 VanessaE           heh
10:35 VanessaE           laptop ping'd out.
10:35 Ragnar_            who was VanessaE[L]
10:35 Ragnar_            ow :D
10:35 VanessaE           it must have finally shu....nope, there it is.
10:35 VanessaE           Ragnar_: that's just my IRC client on my laptop in the other room.
10:35 Ragnar_            ow :D
10:38 Ragnar_            selection_box is the black outlines when you'r crosshair is over it?
10:40 VanessaE           yep
10:40 Ragnar_            ow :D
10:41 Ragnar_            then the node_box is the model itself :D
10:41 Ragnar_            i need explanations :D
10:41 Ragnar_            sunlight_propagates
10:41 Ragnar_            tell me what does it mean...
10:41 VanessaE           means sunlight will pass through to the nodes underneath/behind
10:42 Ragnar_            ow :d
10:42 Ragnar_            then its true...
10:42 Ragnar_            cause my door-ish thing is...i remembered :D cell bars :D
10:42 VanessaE           true if you want the object to let light through, false if you want the object to be opaque.
10:42 VanessaE           right
10:42 VanessaE           so "true" in this case.
10:42 Ragnar_            paramtype
10:42 Ragnar_            yeah :D
10:42 Ragnar_            and paramtype2
10:42 Ragnar_            what do they do...
10:42 Calinou            got it to work :D
10:42 * Calinou          pull requests
10:42 VanessaE           paramtype I always set to "light" because I don't use it.
10:43 Ragnar_            but what does it do?
10:43 VanessaE           paramtype2 I usually set to 'facedir', which then makes param2 set the direction the object faces.
10:43 Ragnar_            ow so i'll leave it like that?
10:43 VanessaE           paramtype/paramtype2 tell the engine what the meaning is of the param and param2 variables.
10:43 Ragnar_            ow ok... :D
10:43 Ragnar_            ill leave it like that just in case...
10:43 VanessaE           so if you set paramtype2 to "facedir", then param2 holds a value that equals the face direction of the object :-)
10:44 VanessaE           I forget what other values those variables can take.
10:44 VanessaE           wallmounted I think is one,
10:44 VanessaE           for signs.
10:44 Ragnar_            wait...
10:44 Calinou            looks like it fixes another collision bug related to wall stairs
10:44 VanessaE           but in your case, you don't want that probably.
10:44 Ragnar_            a door is drawtype = "signlike"
10:45 VanessaE           yes, a door usually is if it's 2D - unless you make it out of nodeboxes.
10:45 Ragnar_            ow :D
10:45 Ragnar_            well then its signlike :D
10:45 VanessaE           when it's made of nodeboxes, the drawtype is nodebox :-)
10:45 VanessaE           and signlike is meaningless then.
10:45 Ragnar_            ok :D
10:45 VanessaE           Calinou: explain?
10:46 VanessaE           Calinou: which collision bug?
10:46 Ragnar_            but in the doors/init.lua there isnt a paramtype...only paramtype2...
10:46 Ragnar_            why?
10:46 Calinou            when you place wall stairs (from stairs+ mod), if you go "inside" them then try to go away you'll be stuck unless you turn around and press "forward"
10:46 VanessaE           because I don't use it :-)
10:46 VanessaE           I leave it at its default setting.
10:46 Ragnar_            ow :D
10:47 VanessaE           Calinou: ah, haven't run into that one yet
10:47 Ragnar_            groups              = { choppy=2, dig_immediate=2 }
10:47 Ragnar_            whats this?
10:47 Ragnar_            ow and...how to convert sounds in to .ogg files?
10:47 Ragnar_            :D
10:48 Ragnar_            just asking...
10:48 ruskie             get a wav and oggenc it
10:48 VanessaE           Ragnar_: a groups= line specifies various special parameters, which depends on other mods to interpret.  Each is different.  In this case, it means that the object responds to tools that can cut "choppy" items.
10:48 VanessaE           ogg files, you use an audio editor like audacity or whatever to save your sounds as ogg.
10:48 Ragnar_            ow :D
10:48 Ragnar_            cool :D
10:48 Ragnar_            hey can you do that for me?
10:48 VanessaE           no :-)
10:48 Ragnar_            why?
10:49 Ragnar_            please :D
10:49 VanessaE           because I'm too tired :-)
10:49 Ragnar_            1 short sound :D
10:49 Ragnar_            not now...someday?
10:49 VanessaE           oh sure, maybe
10:49 Ragnar_            yay :D
10:49 Ragnar_            wait...i'll need 2 short sounds...
10:49 VanessaE           Calinou: nu, so where is this pull request, eppes? :-)
10:49 Ragnar_            1. Cell Bars Opening ; 2. Bar Cells Being Hit...
10:49 ruskie             Ragnar_, if you have the wavs you just need an oggencoder(on linux systems this is usually already included as oggenc)
10:50 Ragnar_            ow :D
10:50 VanessaE           Ragnar_: start by looking on freesound.org - maybe the sounds you want to use already exist.  Pick one with a good license.
10:50 Ragnar_            and with RealConverter i can convert an .mp3 into a .wav :D
10:50 Ragnar_            ok :D
10:50 Ragnar_            but how do i make the node un-brakable?
10:51 Calinou            https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/310 < why do I have 6 commits and not one?
10:51 VanessaE           don't put it in any digging groups
10:51 Calinou            :<
10:51 VanessaE           (no choppy, no cracky, etc)
10:51 Calinou            Ragnar_: realconverter... facepalm
10:51 Ragnar_            xD
10:52 Calinou            vlc can convert audio, amirite?
10:52 VanessaE           Calinou: because you forgot to git pull before you started your patch.
10:52 Calinou            clementine can, I know that
10:52 VanessaE           vlc can I think yes.  mplayer/mencoder also.
10:52 Ragnar_            wait it can?
10:52 Calinou            it's an awesome music player from windows/mac/linux :D
10:52 Ragnar_            WOW
10:52 Calinou            for*
10:52 Ragnar_            thanks teacher :D
10:54 * Calinou          pokes thexyz: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/310
10:54 VanessaE           Calinou: afaik, only the one commit with the working code will end up being merged,
10:54 VanessaE           but you should back out your changes and re-apply them against a fresh git master
10:54 VanessaE           just to avoid the excess commits :-)
10:54 VanessaE           otherwise PilzAdam will kick your ass :D
10:56 Calinou            ok, third and last attempt
11:00 Calinou            https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/311 there :D
11:01 VanessaE           much better :D
11:01 VanessaE           oh that's truly sad
11:01 VanessaE           all that trouble for a one-line fix
11:01 VanessaE           :)
11:02 Calinou            C++ level increased by 1. Total (3)
11:04 VanessaE           heh
11:04 VanessaE           now let's see how long it goes before someone merges it :-)
11:07 * Calinou          seen this screenshot in the "fix fullscreen not working" pull request: http://ompldr.org/vZ2QyZg
11:07 Calinou            someone's trying to code with MS word :P
11:07 Calinou            and... internet exploder
11:09 ruskie             people do crazy things each and every day
11:09 Kray               what makes you believe he is trying to code with MS Word?
11:10 Kray               it being open doesn't mean he uses it for coding
11:10 Kray               nor having IE available not even running means actually using it
11:15 Calinou            Kray: I know :P
11:15 Calinou            he's using VS
11:20 VanessaE           to be fair, I've used Abiword once or twice to write code, though I don't remember now why I did that :-)
12:24 VanessaE           ok, time to sleep.  night all.
12:51 NekoGloop          VanessaE[L]: Problems with internets, or laptop just being iffy? :3
12:53 ruskie             she's asleep
12:54 NekoGloop          What makes you think that?
12:54 NekoGloop          If it was an autojoin it wouldnt have taken as long.
12:56 ruskie             [13:24:45] <VanessaE> ok, time to sleep.  night all.
12:56 ruskie             and it's now 13:56
13:24 PilzAdam           Hello everyone!
13:25 NakedFury          hi o/
13:28 jin_xi             hi adam
13:29 NekoGloop          Meow :3
13:35 PilzAdam           according to this i will merge the new doors mod: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=53840
13:39 ruskie             mmm that sounds nice
13:39 ruskie             I want locked doors
13:40 thexyz             anyone willing to help? http://wapi.minetest.ru/
13:45 PilzAdam           merged
13:47 Penguin            hi
14:28 sfan5              new minetest build!
14:29 sfan5              http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/c55/minetest-0.4.4-655bb52-win32.7z
16:01 OldCoder           babyface1031, Hey
16:07 Taoki              redcrab: poke (and hi)
16:09 babyface1031       hey OldCoder
16:15 OldCoder           Jordach, Good afternoon
16:15 Jordach            hello OldCoder
16:16 OldCoder           VanessaE, Good morning to you
16:18 Jordach            good afternoon Taoki
16:18 Taoki              hi
16:19 Taoki              redcrab: Just letting you know 3D players are upstream for a few days. So maybe you can update your server and minetest_game so they will work there too :) I think we checked last night and no 3D players on your server yet.
16:19 Taoki              **since a few days
16:19 Jordach            Taoki - we need connected textures
16:20 Taoki              connected textures?
16:20 Jordach            google it
16:20 Taoki              ah, that would be nice
16:20 Jordach            http://imgur.com/a/bP0Xy
16:21 Jordach            or look at these, the mc clone of 64dots supports it
16:22 Taoki              yeah, would be nice. Don't think I can help there sadly
16:22 Taoki              Need to go now also, brb in 2 hours or so
16:22 OldCoder           c u
16:23 Jordach            hello Calinou
16:25 Jordach            anyone here got a 3d player server?
16:25 Calinou            hi
16:25 PilzAdam           Jordach, minetest.ru:12345 has 3D players
16:25 Jordach            latest git too?
16:26 PilzAdam           it was updated yesterdy
16:26 * Calinou          bets 1 mese it's empty
16:26 * Calinou          seen this in git log:
16:26 Calinou            Author: Calinou <calinou9999spam@gmail.com>
16:26 Calinou            Date:   Wed Nov 28 11:59:19 2012 +0100
16:26 Calinou            Fix head shifting downards in glass, nodeboxes...
16:26 Calinou            WOO :D
16:27 Jordach            :D
16:27 Calinou            my fix got comitted :)
16:27 Calinou            going to add this to changelog
16:27 * Jordach          is unzipping the git
16:32 jin_xi             ok, painting mod fixed... seems some other stuff defines its own variable colors. duh
16:33 Calinou            http://dl.dropbox.com/u/82342922/0.4.x-changelog.txt link to latest changelog
16:33 Calinou            now that is a big changelog :>
16:35 PilzAdam           Calinou, whats about animated fire?
16:36 PilzAdam           also new locked steel doors added
16:37 Calinou            ah yeah, forgot about these
16:38 Calinou            PilzAdam: you should commit your mod that destroys items in lava, imo
16:38 Calinou            and pushes items in water (if it doesn't eat too much resources)
16:39 PilzAdam           the water thing is a hack
16:40 Calinou            well then, commit the part of builtin_item that destroys items in lava :)
16:40 PilzAdam           Calinou, you should update the brick texture in the minetest wiki
16:40 * Calinou          needs to install blender first :)
17:08 hmmmm              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKLrj3UFqQI
17:36 Calinou            PilzAdam: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/59 *poke* :)
17:36 Calinou            (this also fixes inconsistency in spacing :P)
17:38 PilzAdam           any PVP server with this?
17:38 Calinou            no, i just spent 20 minutes trying a lot of values around :P
17:38 PilzAdam           this need to be tested
17:39 pskosinski         konichiwa!
17:40 PilzAdam           Guten Tag!
17:40 * OldCoder         is AFK briefly on an errand
17:40 OldCoder           Hi
17:41 Calinou            idea: i'll host a server for the lulz, then OldCoder, PilzAdam and others can come play :)
17:41 Calinou            80.118.209.33 port 30000
17:43 Calinou            restarted
17:43 Calinou            i didn't have any privs :p
17:48 pskosinski         Are there many differences between 3 and 4.3 version?
17:49 pskosinski         0.3, 0.4
17:49 PilzAdam           umm, yes
17:50 pskosinski         ah, nvm >.> to install mods I woul dneed 4.3 anyway…
17:50 pskosinski         would need
17:50 pskosinski         Debian as always outdated as hell
17:50 PilzAdam           c55 just said 0.4.4 will be released soon
17:50 PilzAdam           if you are on Linux compile yourself
17:52 Calinou            pskosinski: loldebian
17:52 Calinou            there is no 0.4.x, even in debian unstable/ubuntu anyway :P
17:52 pskosinski         yes
17:53 PilzAdam           Calinou, what do you think of increasing the damage that the steel sword kills with 2-3 hits?
17:55 PilzAdam           If you carry apples while fighting you are currently unbreakable
17:55 Calinou            what when you run out of apples? :p
17:55 Calinou            also, to have a lot of apples, it takes time
17:56 Calinou            no apples on trees generated by map
17:56 PilzAdam           true
17:56 Calinou            weapon damage shouldn't be too high, don't make minetest minecraft :p
17:56 PilzAdam           what about bread if it gets added to upstream?
17:56 Calinou            (it used to be really high in MC: diamond sword did 5.5 hearts)
17:56 pskosinski         Are there bananas?
17:56 Calinou            in mods, yes
17:56 Calinou            let's add bananas that kill in one hit
17:56 Calinou            :D
17:57 PilzAdam           Calinou, MT will never be like MC because it has full_punch_interval
17:57 pskosinski         banana-boomerangs
17:57 Calinou            we need some eating time/delay then
17:57 Calinou            give health progressively after eating food
17:57 Calinou            (delay should be configurable of course)
17:59 pskosinski         Can someone remind me how to make makefile? ^^
18:01 Calinou            cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE
18:01 Calinou            run this in minetest's folder
18:01 Calinou            cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1
18:01 Calinou            oops
18:01 pskosinski         ty
18:01 Calinou            run in place puts config files in minetest's folder, not your home .minetest folder
18:01 pskosinski         ok, thanks :)
18:02 PilzAdam           alias minemake = "make . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 && make -j16"
18:02 PilzAdam           thats what i use
18:02 pskosinski         16 O.O
18:03 hmmmm              i do 16 as well
18:03 PilzAdam           i have 8 cores
18:03 hmmmm              CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1230 V2 @ 3.30GHz (3292.60-MHz K8-class CPU)
18:03 Calinou            PilzAdam: you need to cd src first
18:03 Calinou            hmmmm: price? :p
18:03 PilzAdam           no
18:03 hmmmm              $240
18:03 Calinou            huh
18:04 Calinou            8 core CPU for $240? hax
18:04 hmmmm              hyperthreading
18:04 Calinou            so you have 4 core
18:04 * Jordach          does a make -j16 on a p4
18:04 Calinou            and you should use -j8 not -j16
18:04 hmmmm              it's basically an i7-3770 without intergrated graphics
18:04 hmmmm              no, you should do twice the number of cores/threads/whatever
18:04 Jordach            and the bullshit
18:04 hmmmm              to make sure all threads are saturated
18:04 Calinou            yes, and it has four physical cores
18:04 Calinou            and 8 virtual cores
18:04 Calinou            thus: -j8
18:04 Calinou            uses 100% CPU on my computer
18:04 Calinou            i7 2600k
18:05 hmmmm              well that's not the point
18:05 hmmmm              i don't really think it makes too much of a difference
18:05 hmmmm              it depends on your OS's scheduler
18:07 pskosinski         errors, errors everywhere…
18:07 hmmmm              aerror!  aerror!
18:07 hmmmm              pskosinski, i bet the problem is that you didn't remove CMakeCache.txt
18:08 hmmmm              remove all 'CMake' files except for the cmake directory and CMakeLists.txt
18:09 pskosinski         no, screw it, will download package ^^
18:10 Calinou            pskosinski: did you install deps
18:10 Calinou            http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3837 try this, too :D
18:13 thexyz             why do you `cd src`?
18:13 pskosinski         I didn't have one dependency. :x
18:13 pskosinski         libopneal-dev …
18:14 thexyz             lol @ search bar http://multa.bugs3.com/upload/Picture%201.png
18:14 Calinou            someone's googling how to screenshot on a mac
18:14 PilzAdam           heh
18:14 Jordach            trololololololololololololololololol
18:14 Calinou            lolfirefox
18:14 Jordach            lolChromium
18:15 Calinou            someone's looking at the cost of pennies
18:19 thexyz             any suggestions for http://wapi.minetest.ru/ logo?
18:19 thexyz             (this site will replace current http://api.minetest.net/ one day, I hope)
18:19 PilzAdam           default minetest logo?
18:21 Calinou            I like the logo from the minetest.net proposal, it has better shadows :P
18:21 Jordach            http://c55.me/~celeron55/random/2012-11/mods/
18:21 Jordach            huh, some mods and TNT
18:21 PilzAdam           blockmobs is realy interesting
18:22 OldCoder           thexyz, I'll seek your advice in a few minutes
18:22 Jordach            anyone ere got latest git server?
18:22 Jordach            (bar minetest.ru)
18:26 thexyz             bar?
18:27 Jordach            bar == not
18:28 thexyz             oh, right, nobody loves minetest.ru
18:28 PilzAdam           I do
18:28 OldCoder           It is wonderful
18:29 PilzAdam           but it doesnt make sense to join a empty server to see 3D models
18:29 OldCoder           I will update when I can
18:29 OldCoder           That is the plan
18:29 OldCoder           Of 3D I'm a fan
18:29 OldCoder           Folks
18:29 Calinou            PilzAdam: code third person, ???, PROFIT
18:30 * PilzAdam         has low c++ skills
18:30 * Calinou          does too
18:31 mauvebic           i can screw around with the mapgen and the c++ mapper source but thats about it lol
18:32 marktraceur        OldCoder: You're gett'n' all dissed by the man, ride in a van, you couldn't walk so you just ran, getting a tan, m-fers over in Afghanistan, into the frying pan, not just a <div> but a <span>, maybe we'll play over LAN, so long as we don't use FORTRAN.
18:32 * marktraceur      drops mic
18:33 marktraceur        (not because I just schooled you, but to prevent further ear-bleeding)
18:33 OldCoder           marktraceur, that is cool for school
18:33 OldCoder           You rule!
18:33 OldCoder           You no fool you are cool thank you sir for school
18:35 marktraceur        "ool" is less easy to rhyme
18:38 KikaRz             Hi there! Im back... not for too long
18:38 KikaRz             im in another computer
18:38 KikaRz             minetest has been updated?
18:38 PilzAdam           updated ?= developed
18:42 OldCoder           KikaRz, M13 has provided me with the pass. So I'm partly maintaining that server now.
18:42 marktraceur        KikaRz: YOU'RE IN A COMPUTER!? HANG ON WE'LL SAVE YOU!
18:42 KikaRz             OldCoder
18:42 OldCoder           KikaRz, also; I apologize but the other other day was pretty busy. May I see the link to your avatar again?
18:42 KikaRz             ... marktraceur, take me out of this fucking country
18:42 KikaRz             OldCoder, Its not ROOT
18:42 KikaRz             its MINETEST
18:42 KikaRz             the user
18:42 * marktraceur      dashes to the batmobile to rescue KikaRz
18:42 OldCoder           KikaRz, Not following
18:43 OldCoder           KikaRz, Link your avatar again when you can
18:43 KikaRz             OldCoder, im sending now
18:43 KikaRz             OldCoder, use the user "minetest" to enter the server
18:43 OldCoder           KikaRz, I already have the pass
18:43 OldCoder           He passed on the pass yesterday
18:44 KikaRz             I know the pass
18:44 KikaRz             that you have it
18:44 KikaRz             but do not use ROOT
18:44 KikaRz             use minetest
18:45 OldCoder           KikaRz, I am not following
18:45 OldCoder           KikaRz, Link your avatar again when you can
18:45 KikaRz             ...
18:45 KikaRz             stop spamming
18:45 OldCoder           D:
18:45 OldCoder           That is "flooding" young lady
18:45 OldCoder           Not "spamming"
18:45 OldCoder           Get your terminology right
18:45 KikaRz             Or that
18:45 KikaRz             The same.
18:45 KikaRz             SPAM = Flood
18:45 * OldCoder         sighs
18:45 OldCoder           It is not.
18:45 Jordach            oh wait, i ignored kika
18:45 KikaRz             Flood = Multiple Messages
18:45 marktraceur        OldCoder: I believe KikaRz wants you to log in to a server with the username "minetest" and a password already determined at an earlier date
18:45 KikaRz             Jordach, you can't ignore.
18:46 OldCoder           marktraceur, KikaRz is out of sync. It is, or was, M13 server. I helped him set it up.
18:46 * marktraceur      sings spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spammity spam, wonderful spam
18:46 OldCoder           Yum
18:46 KikaRz             https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u1q9kjdom1518kc/e42QjnQFl_?m
18:46 KikaRz             https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u1q9kjdom1518kc/e42QjnQFl_?m
18:46 KikaRz             https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u1q9kjdom1518kc/e42QjnQFl_?m
18:46 KikaRz             Ups
18:46 OldCoder           Reviewing
18:46 KikaRz             Dropbox sent 3 links in a row.
18:46 KikaRz             OldCoder, i guess the 3d dont works :(
18:46 KikaRz             and the skins arent black
18:46 OldCoder           It will
18:46 KikaRz             in the transparent
18:47 OldCoder           KikaRz, that is a 3D skin
18:47 OldCoder           If you make a 2D one let me know
18:47 KikaRz             Not the 3d that im saying
18:47 OldCoder           I am presently adding those
18:47 KikaRz             i did a 2d and a 3d in the folders
18:47 KikaRz             *folder
18:47 OldCoder           Ah
18:47 OldCoder           I see her
18:47 OldCoder           She looks tough!
18:47 OldCoder           I will add her
18:47 KikaRz             tough?
18:47 KikaRz             o-o
18:48 OldCoder           Like Sigourney Weaver in Aliens
18:48 OldCoder           It is a compliment
18:48 OldCoder           She will be added shortly
18:48 Calinou            HOWTO: look cool after insulting someone
18:48 Calinou            say it is a compliment
18:48 OldCoder           ???
18:48 Calinou            :)
18:48 OldCoder           Calinou, that was sincere
18:48 OldCoder           Don't make trouble
18:49 Calinou            i know, was joking :P
18:49 Calinou            gtg now
18:49 OldCoder           c u
18:49 OldCoder           KikaRz, is your nick KikaRz in the game?
18:49 KikaRz             Yes
18:49 OldCoder           k
18:50 KikaRz             OldCoder
18:50 KikaRz             Im without computer net
18:50 OldCoder           Yes?
18:50 KikaRz             *now
18:50 OldCoder           k
18:50 KikaRz             Im not in a computer but yes
18:50 KikaRz             in a Tablet
18:50 KikaRz             *-*
18:50 KikaRz             love tablets...
18:50 KikaRz             specially: CHOCOLATE ONES...
18:50 khonkhortisan      hey, someone killed me last night!
18:50 KikaRz             that big small pieces of chocolate...
18:51 * KikaRz           sees khonkhortisan's soul...
18:51 * KikaRz           smiles...
18:51 khonkhortisan      before the server restarted
18:51 KikaRz             it was me :P
18:51 KikaRz             kidding
18:51 KikaRz             hate my foot.
18:51 KikaRz             just for walk...
18:51 KikaRz             at the end of day:
18:51 khonkhortisan      well I was unnaturally floating in the air
18:52 KikaRz             STATUS OF FOOT: SMELLS PRETTY NICE!
18:52 khonkhortisan      so feet have social networking now
18:52 OldCoder           She looks good
18:52 KikaRz             yes.
18:52 KikaRz             me? *--*
18:52 OldCoder           The avatar
18:52 KikaRz             oh
18:53 KikaRz             Yes.
18:53 KikaRz             Its the avatar that i use all the time
18:53 KikaRz             i got more 2 types of avatars...
18:53 OldCoder           I am sure you look good too but we cannot see you
18:53 OldCoder           What are the others?
18:53 KikaRz             One with a cap...
18:53 KikaRz             and other with headphones
18:53 KikaRz             but minetest dont lets that
18:54 marktraceur        ....
18:55 KikaRz             marktraceur, you are now:
18:55 KikaRz             marktraceur, you are now:
18:55 KikaRz             Fail
18:56 marktraceur        KikaRz: What am I?
18:57 KikaRz             I dont know.
18:57 KikaRz             a fail?
18:57 KikaRz             :P
18:57 marktraceur        KikaRz: Sometimes, yes.
18:57 KikaRz             <KikaRz> marktraceur, you are now:
18:57 KikaRz             <KikaRz> Fail
18:57 * marktraceur      loves the disparity between channels
18:57 marktraceur        In here, most of the messages are on the left side of my screen
18:57 marktraceur        Most other channels I'm in have text along the entire screen
18:57 marktraceur        It's rather fascinating
18:58 OldCoder           Penguin, Hi
18:58 OldCoder           Penguin, I am working on it
18:58 Penguin            On ?
18:58 OldCoder           What you asked for
18:59 Penguin            Oh :) When will it be done any idears
18:59 OldCoder           Penguin, I thought it *was* done
18:59 Penguin            hey babyface
18:59 OldCoder           So I cannot say
18:59 OldCoder           Patience is a Penguin Virtue
18:59 KikaRz             hi there penguin
18:59 Penguin            hi
19:00 KikaRz             Microsoft Word 2007 in my computer:
19:00 Penguin            Its Not On  Mod list coder
19:00 KikaRz             how much time takes to enter?
19:00 KikaRz             Who knows?
19:00 Penguin            1hour
19:00 Penguin            hehe
19:00 KikaRz             nope
19:00 KikaRz             minus
19:01 KikaRz             5 min.
19:01 marktraceur        KikaRz: Are you trying to tell us that it takes -5 minutes to install MS Word?
19:01 Penguin            haha
19:02 babyface1031       hey
19:03 Penguin            u back on server
19:03 babyface1031       yes
19:03 OldCoder           Penguin, which world are you trying to use Desert Uses in?
19:03 Penguin            30004
19:03 OldCoder           k
19:03 Penguin            Has U Shut Server Down ?
19:03 OldCoder           No
19:04 KikaRz             No
19:04 OldCoder           You are there
19:04 Penguin            okay its cos it would ent connect
19:04 KikaRz             To Install Word = 5 hours.
19:04 KikaRz             To initialize it: 17 minetes.
19:04 KikaRz             *minutes
19:04 KikaRz             i was thinking in minetest
19:04 marktraceur        Plus signing that devil-contract, which takes at least five seconds for most people
19:05 Penguin            need to restart cp
19:05 KikaRz             cp = club penguin? O_o'
19:06 marktraceur        Probably a typo for "PC"
19:07 KikaRz             cp = club penguin
19:07 KikaRz             pc = personal computer / portable computer
19:07 KikaRz             2 completely different things
19:08 KikaRz             going to put a virus in school
19:08 KikaRz             to install linux in all computers
19:08 KikaRz             :P
19:08 marktraceur        KikaRz: It would probably be more useful if you also installed GNU on them, but if you think that's best
19:09 KikaRz             gnu = ?
19:09 KikaRz             ah
19:09 KikaRz             maybe
19:09 KikaRz             i dislike that school computers
19:09 KikaRz             i need to present a work
19:09 KikaRz             to 10,422 people.
19:11 KikaRz             byeneed to turn off tablet
19:14 OldCoder
19:14 OldCoder           U.S. worlds are going down briefly for updates and tests
19:14 OldCoder           babyface1031, see above
19:15 babyface1031       ok i will tell penguin
19:15 OldCoder           babyface1031, tell him
19:15 OldCoder           He is getting the mod he wishes
19:15 khonkhortisan      ugh if I don't put dirt under the rail the cart bobs up and down and I miss frames of the slit animation thing
19:15 babyface1031       ok i told him ready to go
19:15 OldCoder           Allow about 5 minutes
19:16 OldCoder           I am experimenting
19:16 OldCoder           babyface1031, do me a small favor
19:16 OldCoder           Join 30000
19:16 babyface1031       ok
19:16 OldCoder           and see if things work there
19:16 babyface1031       now or after updates
19:16 OldCoder           babyface1031, Do you have interact there?
19:16 OldCoder           Now
19:16 OldCoder           I will restart all worlds
19:16 OldCoder           after testing 30000
19:17 babyface1031       idk if i do or not i will head there now
19:17 OldCoder           k
19:17 babyface1031       no privs
19:17 babyface1031       lot of unknown blocks
19:17 OldCoder           Yep
19:18 OldCoder           Something broken
19:18 OldCoder           Thanks
19:18 OldCoder           I will restart other worlds now
19:19 babyface1031       thats all or you need me to try other stuff
19:19 OldCoder           That is all
19:19 OldCoder           Thanks
19:19 babyface1031       np
19:20 OldCoder           babyface1031, Tell Penguin to try Desert Uses now
19:20 babyface1031       ok
19:22 babyface1031       is the sever back up?
19:24 babyface1031       OldCoder have you seen the log there is alot of errors
19:25 OldCoder           Penguin, Yes
19:25 Penguin            hi
19:25 OldCoder           I am shutting down and working on it
19:26 babyface1031       hi
19:26 Penguin            You have :D
19:26 OldCoder           Yes
19:26 OldCoder           Proceeding
19:26 OldCoder           Shutting down
19:26 Penguin            :)
19:26 Penguin            We need 3d players on minetest
19:26 Penguin            dont we
19:27 marktraceur        Penguin: We have them!
19:27 Penguin            do we
19:27 OldCoder           Anybody want more mods?
19:27 OldCoder           Now is the time to ask!
19:27 OldCoder           Or more 2D avatars
19:27 Penguin            urm 1 sec
19:27 OldCoder           Who wants one?
19:27 khonkhortisan      My rail-powered animation is finished, in stunning 1.3 frames per second!
19:28 babyface1031       i good i have all i like unless there is one for a fully clear glass
19:28 babyface1031       no lines nothing
19:28 Penguin            Jungle trees http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2887
19:30 Penguin            OldCoder
19:30 OldCoder           Penguin, see Vanessa. That one is High CPU
19:30 OldCoder           But thank you
19:31 Penguin            okay wait
19:31 marktraceur        OldCoder: I could suggest transactors and the rest of the industry pack, but I'm not actually playing on your server :)
19:31 OldCoder           Who would like a 2D avatar?
19:31 OldCoder           marktraceur, Are transactors lightweight and safe?
19:31 OldCoder           Link?
19:31 OldCoder           BTW I have about 20 servers
19:31 marktraceur        OldCoder: They're basically as heavy as a furnace, seems mostly OK
19:32 OldCoder           Does anybody else plan to use them?
19:32 marktraceur        OldCoder: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3804
19:32 OldCoder           ty
19:32 Penguin            use what
19:32 OldCoder           Transactors
19:32 marktraceur        OldCoder: I don't know if they're in anyone's plans. I also plan to finish my factory mod soon-ish and release the entire pack with more pizazz
19:32 OldCoder           2D avatars are available. Nobody wants one? All right.
19:33 OldCoder           Worlds going down again
19:33 OldCoder           Penguin, you should have Desert Uses
19:33 Penguin            yay
19:34 Penguin            http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=508 coder
19:34 OldCoder           What is it?
19:34 TForsman           hows compability for minetest 0.4.4 against mods?  should work fine? most of the mods?
19:34 OldCoder           I have not tested
19:34 Penguin            its a mod and baby it has clear glass
19:35 OldCoder           Penguin, ask her and others to review that
19:35 OldCoder           Is it lightweight and safe?
19:35 Penguin            Dont matter atchualy
19:35 OldCoder           Why not?
19:36 Penguin            Becuse it use to be on server and then it went
19:36 babyface1031       yeah we have clean glass already it just still has the lines on the outside
19:36 * Penguin          Orders Pizza
19:36 babyface1031       and everything in that mod we can already make so it would be useless
19:37 VanessaE           hi all
19:37 babyface1031       hi VanessaE
19:37 * Penguin          Wondering when it will get to noth pole
19:38 * Penguin          Stutters
19:39 * Penguin          forgot to pick cousin up from school Ops
19:39 ruskie             rofl
19:40 * Penguin          wondering if server is back up
19:41 * Penguin          Gave Pizza Man Wrong Address
19:41 marktraceur        Penguin: http://identi.ca is where you should be
19:42 * Penguin          Is Stumped
19:43 Penguin            Coder?
19:43 Penguin            *OldCoder
19:43 Penguin            *@OldCoder
19:44 VanessaE           so what's news? :-)
19:44 Penguin            Scobby doo
19:44 * Penguin          Chukkles
19:45 VanessaE           *mumble*
19:45 Penguin            *Mumble
19:45 thexyz             VanessaE: http://wapi.minetest.ru/Main_Page
19:46 Penguin            babyface1031! Is Server Up
19:46 VanessaE           thexyz: not bad
19:47 babyface1031       marktraceur does the industry pack work with the technic furance and grinder or just the normal coal powered furnace
19:47 OldCoder           Penguin, I am updating again
19:47 Penguin            Updating To What
19:48 marktraceur        babyface1031: Only chest, furnace, and rubber_collector are handled thus far....but I'd be happy to add more handlers, it wouldn't break anything
19:48 Penguin            http://wapi.minetest.ru/Main_Page look at views on page when i tell you refress
19:48 babyface1031       i was looking at it it looks neat
19:48 marktraceur        babyface1031: My priority is still adding factories, but if you add a note in the forum post about technic furnace and grinder, and as many technical details as you can, I'll add it soon
19:48 marktraceur        (probably this weekend in all likelihood)
19:49 Penguin            refress
19:49 Penguin            Boosting views  on page much lol
19:49 babyface1031       what will the factories doo
19:49 Penguin            Updating To What
19:50 Penguin            @OldCoder ?
19:50 OldCoder           Penguin, wait please
19:50 OldCoder           Fixing things now
19:50 Penguin            oh i understand read it propley
19:52 OldCoder           Penguin, D: be polite
19:52 OldCoder           I did read it "propley"
19:52 OldCoder           I am too busy to respond ATM
19:52 OldCoder           That is what I meant
19:52 Penguin            No i dident read it propley i ment
19:52 Penguin            sorry
19:52 OldCoder           Ah
19:52 OldCoder           Sure
19:52 OldCoder           np
19:53 * Penguin          Likes Laughing
19:53 OldCoder           That is good
19:53 babyface1031       why was technic mod removed?
19:53 OldCoder           Penguin, which Darket mod are you suggesting?
19:53 Penguin            What ?
19:53 OldCoder           babyface1031, it was not
19:53 OldCoder           babyface1031, wait
19:54 OldCoder           Penguin, you linked:
19:54 OldCoder           http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=508
19:54 babyface1031       in the forums it is
19:54 OldCoder           Which mod are you requesting?
19:54 OldCoder           babyface1031, that is odd
19:54 VanessaE           babyface1031: it was removed from the forum because RealBadAngel had a hissy fit :-)
19:54 OldCoder           VanessaE, he is a valued contributo
19:54 OldCoder           r
19:54 VanessaE           he got upset ad the way things are moving and not.
19:54 mauvebic           i guess fall season does that people lol
19:54 babyface1031       oh
19:54 OldCoder           Penguin, which Darket mod are you suggesting?
19:54 VanessaE           OldCoder: he and I still talk.  I've been testing his unified creative inventory branch
19:54 OldCoder           VanessaE, all right
19:55 OldCoder           VanessaE, I haven't seen him recently; tell him I'd like to have him around
19:55 OldCoder           He is a stabilizing force
19:55 VanessaE           he just doesn't get on channel for now - he's pissed at celeron55.
19:55 babyface1031       OldCoder the mod you are asking about i dont see any use for it everthing in it we can already make now that we have the desert mod
19:55 OldCoder           babyface1031, ty
19:55 OldCoder           babyface1031, tell him
19:55 babyface1031       Penguin the mod you are asking about i dont see any use for it everthing in it we can already make now that we have the desert mod
19:56 Penguin            yay it dont matter oldcoder
19:56 OldCoder           k
19:56 mauvebic           finished my guns'n'turrets (http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1598) lemme know whadda think
19:57 Jordach            hey mauvebic
19:57 mauvebic           sup
19:57 VanessaE           hey mauvebic.
19:58 Jordach            mauvebic - could you send me a zipball of your world + mods, i'd love to see it
19:58 mauvebic           the turrets dont shoot on their owners, dont destroy nodes. plasma rifles destroy nodes, entities and players
19:58 Jordach            wait, you made a dm cannon?
19:58 mauvebic           more like those plasma guns from the movies but yeah
19:58 OldCoder           babyface1031, try the world now
19:59 babyface1031       ok
19:59 VanessaE           mauvebic: what, no railgun?  no BFG?  :D
19:59 mauvebic           they're rapid-fire too
19:59 mauvebic           bfg?
19:59 OldCoder           All the U.S. worlds should be back. Desert Uses is in. Kika* has her new 2D avatar.
19:59 VanessaE           mauvebic: "Big Fucking Gun", most powerful weapon in Quake/OpenArena
20:00 OldCoder           Doom too
20:00 mauvebic           would if i could, pretty limited by bullets hitting node.name == 'ignore' :/
20:00 marktraceur        VanessaE: Have you seen the Doom movie? That scene was probably the best.
20:00 PilzAdam           gtg; bye
20:00 VanessaE           no, I have not.  I'm not into those sorts of movies actually.
20:00 Jordach            mauvebic - when you've got the BFG 9000, it makes pvp no fun
20:01 marktraceur        VanessaE: Honestly, it's 90% game humour from my recollection. But I may be misremembering.
20:01 mauvebic           well the mininuke and blaster rifles are missing, but those do *alot* of dammage lol
20:01 Jordach            mauvebic, the nuke effect was awesome
20:01 mauvebic           yeah but it depends on a mod im still werking on
20:01 mauvebic           and cant figure out what fire to use
20:02 mauvebic           oh but theres a compressed water gun that does work, to fight fires or grief with lol
20:05 celeron55          FYI: 0.4.4 will be released next week
20:06 marktraceur        celeron55: Will that include windows builds on minetest.net?
20:07 TForsman           hows compatibility for mods against 0.4.4 ?
20:07 celeron55          of course
20:07 celeron55          TForsman: should be no problems whatsoever
20:07 TForsman           thanks, will update through git for now for foresight users :)
20:08 MiJyn              you know what's ironic? I never downloaded minetest since celeron55 released 0.4 stable
20:08 celeron55          0.4.3 clients aren't and won't be able to connect to 0.4.4, unless i happen to feel like doing that as a challenge
20:08 marktraceur        Official-sauce announce came out! Woo, I can share my server!
20:08 marktraceur        http://www.fsf.org/bulletin/2012/fall/new-libreplanet-gaming-server-running-minetest
20:08 VanessaE           brb
20:10 TForsman           celeron55: do you know when that happened? Which commit that made it unable to use 0.4.3 for 0.4.4. As we always update from git, from time to time
20:12 celeron55          TForsman: the 3D players - it's a large bunch of commits. a 0.4.4 client can connect to a 0.4.3 server however
20:12 celeron55          and will be definitely so at release too
20:13 TForsman           ahh, thats good. then I dont have any big issues if it still works against 0.4.3 servers
20:15 celeron55          marktraceur: altough i generally don't respect fsf, i like it that people find use for the software and form communities like that 8) hopefully that will return some useful input to minetest itself too
20:16 marktraceur        celeron55: I agree! I think we should be able to help funnel some of the interest into modding and contributing back to core.
20:16 marktraceur        celeron55: Not to mention playing and contributing to other games--we're hoping to launch an OpenArena server, I think, plus maybe a HedgeWars server
20:17 marktraceur        I looked into Ryzom, but it's a hell of a difficult game to set up.
20:26 babyface1031       OldCoder did you delete trashcan mod
20:30 Jordach            yes
20:30 Jordach            remove the model
20:32 OldCoder           babyface1031, yes. I was told it messes up textures.
20:32 babyface1031       ok
20:32 OldCoder           It was Doc, Dogzilla, or Penguin
20:32 OldCoder           Is anybody able to comment?
20:32 OldCoder           Is Trash safe to use?
20:33 OldCoder           babyface1031, review this and get back to me if you
20:33 OldCoder           I will restore Trash if it is safe
20:33 babyface1031       i didnt see any texture problem besides it looks like a nyan cat
20:37 OldCoder           Is anybody where who is familiar with Zeg9 world?
20:42 Octupus            hola
20:42 VanessaE           back.
20:43 Octupus            hi vanessae
20:43 VanessaE           john_minetest: or just run 0.4.3 - 0.4.4 clients can still connect and play :-_)
20:43 VanessaE           :-)
20:43 Octupus            we have 4.4 now :0
20:48 KikaRz             Adverstiment of KikooBot: 22 and 23 December, Enkai will be realized in Castelo Branco, Portugal; Price: 1 day - 1.5 enkais (euros) / 2 days - 2 enkais (euros)
20:48 KikaRz             Cool, my bot works
20:49 babyface1031       VanessaE in your home decor mod it has white paint being able to you leaves instead of jungle grass but it dont seem to work
20:50 KikaRz             So, if you want to appear go onto Cine Teatro Avenida , Castelo Branco, Portugal
20:50 KikaRz             day 22 and 23 December :P
20:50 OldCoder           KikaRz, your avatar is in the U.S. worlds
20:50 OldCoder           KikaRz, come and visit; let me screenshot you
20:50 OldCoder           Choose one of the worlds and drop by
20:51 KikaRz             OldCoder
20:51 KikaRz             I can't enter.
20:51 KikaRz             I'm in a computer that neither supports D3D neither OpenGL
20:51 KikaRz             *-*
20:51 KikaRz             love this shit because got linux.
20:51 VanessaE           babyface1031: maybe some other mod is blocking that recipe?
20:51 VanessaE           I know I tested it
20:51 KikaRz             but my graphics card dont works
20:52 babyface1031       oh :(
20:52 OldCoder           KikaRz, Sorry to hear it
20:52 KikaRz             Can you login with my nick?
20:52 OldCoder           Would somebody else like to enter 30007 as KikaRz ? I will reset password after
20:52 KikaRz             just reset my pw
20:52 OldCoder           Yes
20:52 OldCoder           Somebody come to 30007 and be KikaRz please
20:52 OldCoder           I will screenshot
20:52 KikaRz             I can enter
20:52 KikaRz             but with a LOOOT OF LAG
20:53 KikaRz             but disconnect that person again
20:53 OldCoder           Yes
20:53 KikaRz             and put pw to the other that i was having
20:53 babyface1031       the only other mod with white paint is the dyes
20:54 babyface1031       i wonder what mod is blocking it then
20:54 KikaRz             but its working oldcoder?
20:54 KikaRz             which one? 3d or 2d?
20:54 OldCoder           It should be
20:54 OldCoder           I need somebody to visit 30007 as you
20:55 KikaRz             I can enter
20:55 KikaRz             but with al ot of lag
20:55 OldCoder           john_minetest, Yes... Speak briefly of what it is. I am editing my own description.
20:55 OldCoder           Thank you
20:55 OldCoder           KikaRz, let me know when you are there
20:55 KikaRz             IP?
20:55 KikaRz             minetest.org ?
20:55 OldCoder           yes 30007
20:55 KikaRz             minetest.org:30007?
20:55 OldCoder           Yes
20:56 OldCoder           Just for a couple of minutes
20:56 KikaRz             Will take a bit
20:56 KikaRz             downloading
20:56 OldCoder           john_minetest, No. We will need to check all his mods first. And I have not built 0.4.4 yet.
20:56 OldCoder           He has a heavily tailored world
20:56 OldCoder           john_minetest, speak of Zeg9 world. Say what it is please.
20:56 KikaRz             0% media...
20:56 OldCoder           Describe it.
20:57 OldCoder           KikaRz, It may take 20 minutes. Sorry.
20:57 KikaRz             O_O'
20:57 KikaRz             i prefer that you give me all cache
20:57 OldCoder           KikaRz, somebody else could come
20:57 KikaRz             X_X'
20:57 KikaRz             1% media.
20:57 OldCoder           KikaRz, do you have 0.4.3 ?
20:57 KikaRz             yes
20:57 KikaRz             i got here
20:57 OldCoder           KikaRz, Windows or Linux? I forget
20:57 KikaRz             not the other one
20:57 OldCoder           Cache is in this file:
20:57 KikaRz             linux but i got here the Compiled one
20:57 KikaRz             that one that didnt supported d3d...
20:57 KikaRz             i remember
20:58 KikaRz             that one that you sent me to speed up game
20:58 KikaRz             in windows
20:58 OldCoder           Yes
20:58 OldCoder           It has cache
20:58 KikaRz             send me
20:58 OldCoder           Yes
20:58 OldCoder           http://minetest.org/clients/minetest-121020.zip
20:58 OldCoder           May or may not work
20:58 KikaRz             love Fallen Kingdom. Sorry. I just like this parodies.
20:59 KikaRz             i dislike minecraft because dont works in my computer, but in general... i like musics
20:59 OldCoder           john_minetest, ty
21:01 KikaRz             Fuck this chrome
21:01 KikaRz             GRRR
21:01 KikaRz             cant download at full
21:01 KikaRz             it says: minetest-121020.zip may be dangerous. (Keep ) (Reject)
21:01 KikaRz             I pressed Keep
21:01 OldCoder           Yes
21:01 KikaRz             but dont acceps
21:02 OldCoder           ??
21:02 OldCoder           Junkware
21:03 rarkenin           Hey.. I'm getting a lot of access violations, illegal memory writes, on Windows 7 x64. Is this a know bug. or shall I proceed in eporting it?
21:03 OldCoder           john_minetest, quick question. Do you remember roughly when I took over Zeg9 world?
21:03 OldCoder           rarkenin, Not known I think
21:03 rarkenin           In trans_func.
21:03 rarkenin           Access violation at 0133C852 write?=0 address=3746562307
21:03 rarkenin           In trans_func.
21:03 rarkenin           Access violation at 0133C852 write?=0 address=3746562307
21:03 rarkenin           16:02:05: ERROR[main]: Some exception: "Access violation"
21:03 rarkenin           Sound familiar?
21:03 OldCoder           Nope
21:04 rarkenin           Doesn't crash but disconnects. Happens when logging onto a server or chatting.
21:04 rarkenin           Where shall I report it? Is there a bugzilla, or is it on Launchpad.net?
21:04 OldCoder           Here pretty much
21:04 marktraceur        rarkenin: Is this unmodified Minetest, or are you making changes that might cause it?
21:04 OldCoder           john_minetest, Thanks!
21:05 rarkenin           marktraceur: these are the original binaries.
21:05 marktraceur        rarkenin: Any mods?
21:05 rarkenin           This is on server minetst.0gb.us
21:06 rarkenin           I can't get co[py-paste so I'll take it from debug.txt... just a sec
21:06 iqualfragile       are there daily windows-builds?
21:06 rarkenin           tNo. Just the zips on minetst.net
21:07 iqualfragile       thats sad
21:07 iqualfragile       well… nah, not realy
21:07 rarkenin           I don't know, actually.
21:07 OldCoder           KikaRz, still attempting to load?
21:07 rarkenin           My debug.txt is 218 MB
21:08 KikaRz             Still attempting to download.
21:09 iqualfragile       oldcoder: do you provide windows-builds?
21:09 rarkenin           I'll try to compress it as much as I can. Shall I use a .gz? Or .rar? Or something else?
21:09 OldCoder           iqualfragile, I do
21:09 OldCoder           http://minetest.org/clients/minetest-121020.zip
21:09 iqualfragile       is it up to date?
21:09 OldCoder           That is a 0.4.3 from October that works with my worlds
21:09 OldCoder           Not 0.4.4
21:10 OldCoder           Current enough and I will update it soon
21:10 OldCoder           Includes preloaded cache
21:10 KikaRz             Yes i know.
21:10 iqualfragile       are you able to provie daily builds?
21:10 OldCoder           KikaRz, that is for iqualfragile
21:10 KikaRz             cant fucking download in chrome
21:10 OldCoder           iqualfragile, No because I do not use upstream
21:10 rarkenin           This is 0.4.3 and the access violation is intermittent.
21:10 KikaRz             intermittent?
21:10 OldCoder           rarkenin, Is it Windows? Try my version
21:11 rarkenin           It happens in bunches, and recurs some days.
21:11 KikaRz             ...
21:11 KikaRz             hate chrome!
21:11 marktraceur        KikaRz: Firefox?
21:12 iqualfragile       i sat in front of a windows-pc some days ago
21:12 iqualfragile       there was no firefox
21:12 iqualfragile       so i started ie to download firefox
21:12 iqualfragile       it crashed
21:12 iqualfragile       -.-
21:12 KikaRz             No marktraceur
21:12 KikaRz             i dont have firefox here
21:13 rarkenin           The trick is to use Telnet to get Firefox. Or at least command-line FTP/
21:13 marktraceur        KikaRz: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/
21:14 marktraceur        Tadaaaa
21:14 KikaRz             Shut up.
21:14 KikaRz             Its simpler if you give me a computer better
21:14 marktraceur        KikaRz: Sorry for helping you
21:14 marktraceur        KikaRz: I remember now, you don't like people helping you
21:15 KikaRz             this computer cant have mozilla
21:15 marktraceur        KikaRz: Why's that?
21:15 KikaRz             this computer runs better in DOS
21:15 KikaRz             that simple terminal thing
21:16 marktraceur        KikaRz: And Chrome is better for running in a terminal? Because I'm pretty sure both would require a GUI.
21:16 rarkenin           I can;t get this thing to crash again atm. If I do, should I come back with a debug.txt?
21:16 marktraceur        rarkenin: 100%
21:17 marktraceur        rarkenin: Having debug texts is always awesome.
21:18 KikaRz             marktraceur
21:18 KikaRz             nobody said that this is running in a terminal
21:18 KikaRz             -.-
21:18 KikaRz             i said:
21:18 KikaRz             this computer runs better in DOS
21:18 KikaRz             not : this computer is RUNNING in DOS
21:18 KikaRz             ...
21:18 marktraceur        KikaRz: So what's your point?
21:19 KikaRz             OldCoder
21:19 KikaRz             are you there?
21:19 KikaRz             im entering
21:19 OldCoder           KikaRz, yes
21:19 OldCoder           ty
21:19 OldCoder           Looking for you KikaRz
21:19 Renoki             is there a way to fly in creative mode?
21:20 KikaRz             wait
21:20 KikaRz             Non responding...
21:20 KikaRz             Renoki;
21:20 VanessaE           Renoki: /grant singleplayer fly,fast
21:20 Renoki             and to break blocks instantly?
21:20 VanessaE           then hit k to enable it.
21:20 Renoki             thanks
21:20 KikaRz             /grant singleplayer all
21:20 KikaRz             thats better
21:20 VanessaE           and use space and shift (or e) to go up/down.
21:20 OldCoder           The world has been lavaed?
21:20 Renoki             neat, thanks
21:20 OldCoder           Whoa
21:20 OldCoder           That is a lot of lava
21:20 KikaRz             OldCoder
21:20 OldCoder           VanessaE, come and see
21:20 KikaRz             your server got music?
21:20 KikaRz             o_o'
21:20 OldCoder           Yes
21:21 KikaRz             Straaange....
21:21 VanessaE           address/port?
21:21 KikaRz             wait
21:21 KikaRz             minetest.org:30007
21:21 OldCoder           VanessaE: minetest.org 30007
21:21 KikaRz             40%
21:21 OldCoder           Coords are:
21:21 OldCoder           -50,5.3,14.0
21:21 KikaRz             85%
21:21 OldCoder           Guess I need to reset the world
21:21 KikaRz             95%
21:21 Renoki             it won't let me /grant
21:21 OldCoder           VanessaE, I'll op you
21:21 KikaRz               100
21:21 OldCoder           KikaRz, fly
21:21 marktraceur        KikaRz: What's with the flooding?
21:21 OldCoder           Fly up
21:22 rarkenin           OldCoder: That build you gave me: Can I just copy my existing games and worlds into the correct directories from 0.4.3, or will it not work?
21:22 VanessaE           connecting...
21:22 OldCoder           VanessaE, you are here
21:22 KikaRz             Im connecting OldCoder
21:22 VanessaE           Renoki: then you are not in single player or you aren't admin of the server you're on.
21:22 OldCoder           KikaRz, k
21:22 Renoki             I'm in singleplayer
21:22 OldCoder           VanessaE, you just got lavaed
21:22 KikaRz             so /grant Renoki all
21:22 KikaRz             if you can
21:22 OldCoder           rarkenin, probably will work
21:23 KikaRz             omg
21:23 Renoki             oh it did work
21:23 Renoki             nevermind lol
21:23 KikaRz             takes a lot to load
21:23 * OldCoder         laughs
21:23 KikaRz             Unresponsing
21:23 OldCoder           That's a load of lava VanessaE
21:23 OldCoder           VanessaE, you have ops
21:23 OldCoder           Fly and look
21:23 OldCoder           KikaRz, you have ops
21:23 OldCoder           Fly up
21:23 OldCoder           When you are here
21:24 OldCoder           Lots of lava
21:24 OldCoder           KikaRz, go to ground
21:24 OldCoder           Let me screenshot you
21:24 OldCoder           Let me screenshot you
21:24 Renoki             how do I move fast?
21:25 Renoki             err, faster.
21:25 VanessaE           hah, crashola
21:25 OldCoder           KikaRz, hold still then
21:25 KikaRz             I cant move
21:25 KikaRz             its laggy
21:25 KikaRz             this computer cant run it
21:25 OldCoder           Hold still
21:26 OldCoder           KikaRz, I gave you TP
21:26 OldCoder           Hold still
21:26 KikaRz             im lagging a lot
21:28 OldCoder           It's the world
21:28 OldCoder           Don
21:28 OldCoder           Done
21:28 OldCoder           I'll need to shut it down
21:28 OldCoder           It's all lava
21:28 KikaRz             ITS LAGGING A LOT!
21:28 OldCoder           I have a shot from the side
21:28 KikaRz             well
21:28 OldCoder           Best I can do
21:28 KikaRz             OldCoder
21:28 KikaRz             send me them
21:28 OldCoder           KikaRz, done
21:28 OldCoder           Will post
21:28 OldCoder           Wait
21:28 marktraceur        KikaRz: We got that, thanks for reiterating
21:28 OldCoder           Need a few minutes
21:28 OldCoder           Thank you
21:29 KikaRz             marktraceur, i'm talking with Oldcoder
21:29 OldCoder           VanessaE, that's one world that'
21:29 OldCoder           VanessaE, that's one world that's fried
21:29 OldCoder           Lavatown
21:29 VanessaE           so I see
21:29 marktraceur        KikaRz: Yes, I saw, you've been saying the same thing for about five minutes
21:29 KikaRz             what?
21:30 babyface1031       wow someone lava a world
21:30 marktraceur        KikaRz: "im lagging a lot" "ITS LAGGING A LOT" "its laggy" "I cant move" (all spelling mistakes preserved)
21:30 VanessaE           khonkhortisan is gonna be pissed.  wasn't he the one building that wide road?
21:30 KikaRz             ...
21:30 Octupus            hi babyface1031
21:31 babyface1031       hi
21:31 Octupus            i am coming on now
21:31 KikaRz             marktraceur, please, wait for your turn.
21:31 babyface1031       cool
21:31 marktraceur        KikaRz: My turn for what?
21:31 KikaRz             You're in position: 5/0.
21:31 OldCoder           KikaRz, I'll paste in a few minutes
21:31 KikaRz             :D
21:31 KikaRz             But its cool OldCoder?
21:31 OldCoder           Yes
21:31 marktraceur        KikaRz: Welcome to IRC, multiple conversations happen at once
21:33 KikaRz             marktraceur: Your bot as been considerated as: FALSEPOSITIVE
21:33 Renoki             is there a way to change the POV
21:33 Renoki             ?
21:33 marktraceur        KikaRz: What?
21:34 KikaRz             sry, my bot is automated.
21:34 Octupus            hi mark
21:34 KikaRz             i cant stop him
21:34 Octupus            can i test your bot
21:34 KikaRz             it considers [21:31] <marktraceur> KikaRz: Welcome to IRC, multiple conversations happen at once as a bot talk.
21:34 celeron55_         john_minetest: on what version?
21:34 KikaRz             Octupus, No.
21:34 Octupus            why
21:34 KikaRz             It's payed-for-it.
21:34 KikaRz             you want to pay me 10 euro?
21:34 celeron55_         because 0.3 has a known security hole for that
21:35 marktraceur        KikaRz: That's a little ridiculous, I gotta say.
21:35 KikaRz             marktraceur, this is a multiple bot
21:35 celeron55_         ...altough nobody else knows it except me and one guy
21:35 celeron55_         8)
21:35 thexyz             john_minetest: on which server?
21:35 Renoki             hey guys o.o
21:35 kaeza              hey
21:35 marktraceur        KikaRz: Considering that it's a bot, you should probably fix the spelling and grammar on it
21:35 KikaRz             IRC, minetest (never tried), habbo, transformice, cs 1.6 HLTV
21:35 Renoki             is there a way to change POV?
21:35 KikaRz             etc
21:35 Renoki             err FOV
21:35 Renoki             Field of View.
21:36 celeron55_         there is probably no other place where one can get privileges than the implementation of the /priv command
21:36 celeron55_         eh
21:36 celeron55_         /grant
21:36 kaeza              what's up?
21:36 iqualfragile       !igloo time
21:37 iglooboot          10:35:52 pm CET
21:37 celeron55_         hmm... oh no
21:37 OldCoder           http://minetest.org/kikarz.png
21:38 OldCoder           KikaRz, a little fuzzy but she seems like an adventure heroine
21:38 OldCoder           Flying above the destroyed world
21:38 OldCoder           She will seek vengeance!
21:38 kaeza1             OldCoder: still not updated to 0.4.4?
21:38 celeron55_         i believe i know what they are using
21:39 KikaRz             OldCoder, back is good too
21:39 OldCoder           KikaRz, Yes I saw it
21:39 KikaRz             skin is at reverse...
21:39 KikaRz             not at reverse...
21:39 OldCoder           kaeza, I can't until LevelDB is supported
21:39 KikaRz             its ... fliped
21:39 kaeza1             OldCoder: OK
21:39 OldCoder           KikaRz, The back looked good
21:39 KikaRz             it was having a K not a "K at reverse".
21:39 iqualfragile       !igloo ping minetest.net
21:39 iglooboot          64 bytes from hindenburg.emblica.org (5.9.130.165): icmp_req=1 ttl=54 time=18.2 ms
21:40 KikaRz             !igloo ping minetest.net
21:40 iglooboot          64 bytes from hindenburg.emblica.org (5.9.130.165): icmp_req=1 ttl=54 time=16.7 ms
21:40 KikaRz             fail
21:40 KikaRz             !igloo ping c55.me
21:40 KikaRz             let me see one thing
21:40 marktraceur        I see the child has found a new toy
21:40 iglooboot          timeout
21:41 thexyz             what's the language this bot is written in?
21:41 mauvebic           i shouldn't have put the christmas tree on the same circuit breaker as my rigs lol
21:41 KikaRz             LOL
21:41 KikaRz             c55.me timedout
21:41 KikaRz             celeron55_, look... your site timedout in igloobot
21:41 bulletrulz         supp
21:41 KikaRz             look... your site timedout in iglooboot *
21:42 iglooboot          hi, KikaRz
21:42 KikaRz             ... iqualfragile, iseeu
21:42 kaeza              hey bulletrulz
21:43 iglooboot          whats up?
21:43 bulletrulz         nothing
21:43 celeron55_         john_minetest: how many times that has happened, and has there been a server restart always before they have gotten privs?
21:43 celeron55_         like, they have no privs -> restart -> they have privs
21:44 thexyz             is /grant logged somewhere?
21:44 celeron55_         no it is not
21:44 KikaRz             I seen celeron55_
21:44 KikaRz             It happens when default_privs
21:45 thexyz             i bet on weak admin password
21:46 celeron55_         thexyz: were you the one who found the auth file corruption exploit?
21:46 KikaRz             thexyz
21:46 thexyz             celeron55_: yep
21:46 OldCoder           john_minetest, Sure. I'll keep it online.
21:46 OldCoder           You mean Zegaton?
21:46 OldCoder           Hold on
21:46 celeron55_         thexyz: maybe we should fix it in 0.3 8)
21:47 celeron55_         altough that would reveal the bug and everybody uses 0.3.1
21:47 KikaRz             Now: Playing - http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=63GtJjgPYU8 Dubstep | ByeByeCopyright - Nilow - ( LisaMitchell ) - Neopolitan Dreams - Dubstep Remix
21:47 KikaRz             fail.
21:47 celeron55_         (well, the few who use 0.3...)
21:47 thexyz             but who uses that?
21:47 KikaRz             must remove this filter
21:47 iqualfragile       !igloo password
21:47 celeron55_         well, let's continue just hoping
21:47 iglooboot          poYaw7oo1cebahLeechai7Kae1ahHahng0Me9eifoo5ahgao2eengohs5ShaiB1ey6
21:47 KikaRz             !igloo password
21:47 celeron55_         but this 0.4 thing has to be solved
21:47 thexyz             lol, nice tool to generate passwords
21:47 iglooboot          ao1ahd6DuoN6uilohquaemaejoofee1io4quiequ7ohXooCe9othooPhe6ougo3Iet
21:47 thexyz             except they are all logged
21:48 OldCoder           http://minetest.org/zegaton.txt
21:48 OldCoder           john_minetest, that is a live copy ^
21:50 KikaRz             ft john_minetest
21:50 KikaRz             21:48:13: ACTION[ServerThread]: CHAT: <john> my password is not the best one you could set but it is still difficult to figure out
21:51 KikaRz             xd
21:52 iglooboot          Goodbye
21:52 OldCoder           john_minetest, I have previous ones
21:52 OldCoder           How far back?
21:53 KikaRz             bye igloobot
21:53 KikaRz             bye iglooboot*
21:54 KikaRz             Now: Playing -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zaSW3CDAUg&feature=relmfu  Droideka - Human Error
21:54 celeron55_         OldCoder: can you check that you know that everybody who has the privs privilege is likely to have a good password?
21:54 marktraceur        KikaRz: Stop those.
21:54 KikaRz             Updating bots list in irc: #minetest - Freenode
21:54 KikaRz             Updating iglooboot info.
21:54 celeron55_         we currently are suspecting a weak password
21:54 iglooboot          hi KikaRz
21:55 iqualfragile       !igloo die
21:55 KikaRz             Cool
21:55 KikaRz             let me test that
21:55 khonkhortisan      !igloo hi
21:55 KikaRz             !igloo die
21:55 iglooboot          hi
21:55 celeron55_         john_minetest: wut?
21:55 KikaRz             Cool *--*
21:55 khonkhortisan      hehe
21:55 celeron55_         ban that bot
21:55 celeron55_         or, well, i guess i could
21:55 KikaRz             you are talking to what bot?
21:55 KikaRz             iglooboot? that lagged one0'
21:56 KikaRz             ?
21:56 celeron55_         john_minetest: there has always been
21:56 marktraceur        celeron55_: While you're at it, kick KikaRz for a bit, so she can remove the "now playing" messages and learn not to copy every bot command she sees.
21:56 KikaRz             Youtube Listening info has been disabled to evade spamming ban/kick.
21:56 KikaRz             marktraceur, shut up
21:57 VanessaE           ...
21:57 KikaRz             I've disabled youtube messages.
21:57 VanessaE           don't tell well-respected members of this community to "shut up".
21:57 * marktraceur      is flattered
21:57 * KikaRz           is anger.
21:58 celeron55_         thexyz + ops = beware of the nuclear explosions
21:58 KikaRz             better to don't talk more anything
21:58 * VanessaE         looks around her world...I know I missed a door here somewhere.
21:58 VanessaE           celeron55_: pilzadam's doors mod sucks btw :-)
21:58 VanessaE           compared to thexyz's xdoors2
21:58 VanessaE           but that's a small matter of deleting one in favor of the other on my end :-)
21:59 KikaRz             Lol...
22:00 KikaRz             Kikoobot messages has been hidden for evade spamming ban/kick.
22:01 iqualfragile       thexyz: why did you mute iglooboot?
22:02 KikaRz             iqualfragile, please, go onto another irc channel to test your bot.
22:02 thexyz             it was producing too much unrelated text
22:02 KikaRz             if you want, you can come to the #m13
22:03 kaeza              hi
22:03 kaeza              again :)
22:03 KikaRz             Hi
22:03 iqualfragile       it?
22:03 iqualfragile       its no it?
22:03 iqualfragile       its no bot
22:03 VanessaE           hey kaeza
22:03 kaeza              what's up V?
22:03 VanessaE           thexyz's and KikaRz's dander ;)
22:03 thexyz             VanessaE, what's the difference? (i haven't tested his doors at all)
22:03 VanessaE           otherwise, not much.
22:04 kaeza              k :)
22:04 VanessaE           thexyz: your doors are fully 3D including the windows.  PilzAdam's are only 3d at the edges of the door, the front/back/windows are 2d.
22:04 VanessaE           so yours appear to have thickness, his don't.
22:05 mauvebic           isnt glass transparent?
22:05 VanessaE           mauvebic: sure, of course
22:05 jin_xi_            do doors still have 2 selectionboxes?
22:05 mauvebic           oh wait, re there little "streaks" on the glass?
22:05 VanessaE           jin_xi_: didn't notice.
22:05 thexyz             hm.. i suppose that was done to make texturemakers' lifes easier
22:05 VanessaE           mauvebic: on default glass blocks, yes.
22:06 VanessaE           thexyz: indeed it was.  but it has the side effect of looking just-not-as-good as yours.
22:06 OldCoder           thexyz, I have PMd
22:07 mauvebic           do your doors flicker at the top/bottoms too?
22:07 marktraceur        Is there a way to tie a Minetest chat to an IRC channel?
22:07 VanessaE           I've never seen thexyz's doors (or anyone else's) flicker or have screwed up textures
22:07 Octupus            YES marktraceur
22:07 marktraceur        Octupus: Link?
22:07 VanessaE           even the old xdoors with the default:wood texture looked okay for me
22:08 Octupus            i dont have a link but i can give you a server that had that
22:08 mauvebic           must be a driver glitch, everytime i move it flickers, all of them
22:08 KikaRz             iqualfragile, if you want come.
22:08 Octupus            marktraceur,orbys clan has it ,ask ecube he knows more about it
22:08 Octupus            aftre all he is in the clan
22:08 VanessaE           mauvebic: you mean the edges of the boxes jitter around?
22:08 thexyz             marktraceur: i've already written simple jabber integration (though it has IPC via files)
22:09 VanessaE           mauvebic: are you really far from the center of the map?
22:09 mauvebic           naw i never stray more than 3K from center
22:09 marktraceur        ecube: Do you have docs for tying Minetest chat to an IRC channel?
22:09 mauvebic           marktraceur irc in minetest chat? what about python?
22:09 KikaRz             marktraceur, he did one
22:09 marktraceur        mauvebic: What about Python?
22:10 KikaRz             in another server that he had in other times...
22:10 KikaRz             yep, python works
22:10 bulletrulz         hi
22:10 KikaRz             just connect it with the debug.txt thing
22:10 KikaRz             in the server vps
22:10 KikaRz             and tada.
22:10 mauvebic           connect to Irc using python
22:10 mauvebic           if lua cant
22:10 * marktraceur      didn't know that Python was that simple
22:10 KikaRz             yes
22:10 marktraceur        But OK, I'll see what I can do. debug.txt seems like a sane-ish way to go
22:10 mauvebic           well no you have to figure out how to conenct
22:10 thexyz             well, that's what i do
22:10 KikaRz             Python is veeeery simple
22:11 KikaRz             i know making a bot.
22:11 mauvebic           but thats what i do to pull weather and news into the game with my big signs
22:11 KikaRz             just connect the bot to IRC and to debug.txt
22:11 marktraceur        KikaRz: Yeah, we saw that evidence earlier, very impressive
22:11 thexyz             write a bot in python, make it communicate with game's lua
22:11 KikaRz             yes
22:11 KikaRz             then with IRC
22:11 * marktraceur      gets it, thanks
22:11 mauvebic           its as simple as using os.execute, having hte python script either return text or save to file
22:11 marktraceur        But if the solution is "make your own" I'd like to hear whether ecube has an existing solution
22:12 kaeza              Just asking, but does minetest have loadlib() functionality from lua?
22:12 Uberi              you mean the require mechanism?
22:12 kaeza              I mean load native libs
22:12 celeron55_         it does
22:12 kaeza              lua has it IIRC
22:12 celeron55_         i don't know of anyone who would've used luasocket yet
22:13 celeron55_         but it should be perfectly possible and even easy
22:13 kaeza              It would be cool to implement a MT chat <-> IRC link
22:13 OldCoder           Definitely
22:13 VanessaE           agred
22:13 OldCoder           Far too cumbersome to chat in MT now
22:13 VanessaE           agreed
22:13 mauvebic           problem remains how to print a large amount of text
22:13 OldCoder           If you are used to IRC
22:13 OldCoder           Scrollback
22:13 kaeza              thmmm
22:14 VanessaE           yes
22:14 mauvebic           i mean you cant use labels on every line of a formspec, ( i tried, it was ugly) lol
22:14 KikaRz             Hey
22:14 VanessaE           plus the F10 crash is easier to avoid if you can read the text via some other interface
22:14 KikaRz             i guess is not needed LUA
22:14 khonkhortisan      For how many nodes can you run (fast) before being at full speed?
22:14 KikaRz             just connect the bot with the debug.txt
22:14 kaeza              yes but on large amounts of text chat widget blocks inventory
22:14 thexyz             IRC is too outdated, xmpp is way better
22:14 mauvebic           so add a button and make it a tab on the inventory??
22:14 Uberi              yeah the debug.txt way is good
22:14 VanessaE           I have a running log (tail -f debug.txt | grep -i "chat") to avoid having to use F10 on my little server
22:15 VanessaE           xmpp = I have to use a new client.
22:15 VanessaE           no, use IRC.
22:15 kaeza              mauvebic: nice idea
22:15 Uberi              if it ain't broke, don't fix it
22:15 Uberi              IRC ain't broke :P
22:15 kaeza              hmmm... gotta research on IRC protocol
22:16 thexyz             VanessaE: >baby duck syndrome
22:16 Uberi              kaeza: the RFC is probably the best reference
22:16 mauvebic           http://luaforge.net/projects/luairc/
22:16 kaeza              Uberi: now looking at it
22:17 KikaRz             404   Oops, no such project or page.
22:17 KikaRz             in very big
22:17 VanessaE           thexyz: sure, but at the same time I'm *accustomed* to IRC.  I've been using it for 16 years.  Plus I hate instant messengers.
22:17 KikaRz             in luairc.luaforge.net
22:18 mauvebic           IRC, ICQ, MSN, been on the net for 20 odd years now lol
22:18 mauvebic           you get used to anything lol
22:18 Uberi              IRC makes sense, is all
22:18 VanessaE           mauvebic: IRC has been around longer, but I'm talking about the use of the *client*, not the *protocol*
22:18 thexyz             VanessaE, wait, isn't irc an "instant messenger"?
22:18 kaeza              mauvebic: 404
22:19 mauvebic           seems to me a programmer will chose whatever protocal already has a framework in lua or python or cpp
22:19 VanessaE           IRC doesn't rely on buddy lists, centralized servers, or p2p-oriented communication.  It's closer to an old yahoo chat room than an IM.
22:19 VanessaE           I say link to IRC, with each server getting its own channel so-named.
22:19 mauvebic           irc is prolly the easiest to implement
22:19 Uberi|Busy         plus the protocol is pretty simple and human-readable and writable
22:19 VanessaE           with a bot therein to pass messages back and forth to the MT client.
22:19 VanessaE           er, MT server.
22:19 kaeza              VanessaE: +1
22:19 Uberi|Busy         unlike those XML based ones
22:20 mauvebic           whats wrong with XML? lol
22:20 mauvebic           you never had to learn regular expressions i see
22:20 VanessaE           use Freenode for the IRC network since we all come here anyway for MT-related chat
22:20 jin_xi_            regarding doors mod, it does use one-node high selection boxes. i think it would look better if its only one, like this snippet makes: http://pastebin.com/ZjQB2LQN
22:20 kaeza              Uberi|Busy: I like simple protocols, XML is way too heavy
22:20 KikaRz             http://files.luaforge.net/releases/luairc/luairc/0.3
22:20 mauvebic           only if you use indiv tags for <day><month><year> lol
22:20 kaeza              KikaRz: already got it
22:21 bulletrulz         windows 8 gave linux another chance:D
22:21 Uberi|Busy         mauvebic: would you rather write MSG #minetest this is a message or <message><channel value="#minetest"><text>this is a message</text></channel></message>? :P
22:21 Uberi|Busy         agreed, kaeza
22:21 Uberi|Busy         it's fast, light, and low bandwidth
22:22 Uberi|Busy         it doesn't need a huge XML parser to read/write, you can implement it in anything that supports sockets
22:22 Uberi|Busy         you can just dump it to a text file and it's acceptable for reading
22:22 kaeza              mauvebic: What's wrong with simply "12:34:56 kaeza Hello!"? do you think "<message time="12:34:56" user="kaeza">Hello!</message>" is best?
22:22 mauvebic           depends
22:22 mauvebic           how many entries we talking about?
22:23 kaeza              how many do you see here? :)
22:23 mauvebic           it also depends if you want to sort your entries or display them in whatever form theyre saved
22:25 VanessaE           If you keep your text format consistent, you can still make it machine readable.
22:25 kaeza              mauvebic: Yeah, and it's probably beter to just "sort -a 'chat.log'" than developing yet another parser for XML based log
22:25 VanessaE           [2012-01-01 12:34:56] <kaeza> Hello!
22:25 VanessaE           easily machine- and human-readable.
22:26 bulletrulz         do u think the post pc error will happen
22:26 VanessaE           error?
22:26 kaeza              VanessaE: better than <msg date="xxx" time="xxx" user="xxx">Hello!</msg>
22:26 VanessaE           kaeza: considerably.
22:27 VanessaE           bulletrulz: you mean the post-PC "era"?  No, never gonna happen.  Desktop PCs have too many uses to be completely supplanted by notebooks and tablets.
22:27 VanessaE           the form factor and technology will change, but the purpose and name will not.
22:27 bulletrulz         VanessaE i agrre
22:28 Uberi|Busy         yeah I tried to edit a video on a tablet the other day
22:28 Uberi|Busy         failed miserably
22:28 iqualfragile       does minetest use udp?
22:28 VanessaE           iqualfragile: yes.
22:28 iqualfragile       thanks
22:28 VanessaE           Uberi|Busy: exactly.  tablets are just not powerful enough to handle anything really demanding like that.
22:28 VanessaE           and they probably won't be for a very LONG time.
22:29 Uberi|Busy         IMO not a matter of power, really, moore's law will take care of that to some degree
22:29 kaeza              Tablets were meant and are still meant for small bookkeeping tasks
22:29 VanessaE           until we can figure out how to get 4GHz worth of Athlon-class CPU power (or better) into a package that's both small and runs cool..
22:29 jin_xi_            is there a mod that allows obtaining colored wool via crafting?
22:29 Uberi|Busy         it's more that I really need a mouse + physical keyboard + big monitor
22:29 VanessaE           power is less of a problem than waste heat.
22:29 VanessaE           jin_xi_: Jordach's Woolcraft
22:29 VanessaE           jin_xi_: it uses the standard recipes from the old wool mod.
22:29 kaeza              If you buy a tablet to do serious work, you're gonna have a bad time...
22:29 mauvebic           reminds me i need to change the thermal paste on my processor lol
22:29 VanessaE           with a couple of tweaks.
22:30 Uberi|Busy         my hands are cramping after playing MCPE for about an hour
22:30 bulletrulz         linux acctully has about 8% of market shar
22:30 VanessaE           but be aware that it may not work anymore.  last time I tried to use it, it didn't.
22:30 VanessaE           bulletrulz: try 75% - linux runs on most of the servers in the world as well as more than half of all cell phones and tablets.
22:30 VanessaE           for the desktop, 8% sounds about right though
22:30 mauvebic           yeah but its still a pain ITA for the average consumer
22:31 VanessaE           mauvebic: not so much anymore, it's getting much better.
22:31 mauvebic           tell that to the hoards of people running from ubuntu lol just kiddin "[
22:31 mauvebic           *:p
22:31 mauvebic           honestly i miss the old ubuntu
22:31 Uberi|Busy         Linux Mint just isn't the same
22:31 mauvebic           every arch update is a "learning experience" lol
22:32 jin_xi_            thanks
22:32 Uberi|Busy         won't bring back that charming jackelope
22:32 kaeza              I started my life in Linux with the lean and mean Puppy
22:32 kaeza              http://puppylinux.org
22:32 KikaRz             Love Puppy Linux
22:32 KikaRz             its the best
22:32 mauvebic           i love how they keep attacking nvidia too
22:32 Uberi|Busy         puppy's got amazing hardware support for such a small distro
22:32 mauvebic           smart move linux
22:33 mauvebic           nouveau's never worked out of the box for me lol
22:34 kaeza              If you add up the development environment, you get around 230MB
22:34 VanessaE           I run Xubuntu so that I don't have to fight with crap like Unity/gnome3
22:34 VanessaE           I can not stand unity.
22:34 KikaRz             me neither
22:34 KikaRz             *-*
22:34 mauvebic           you and me both lol
22:34 kaeza              yet full-featured with office suite
22:34 VanessaE           a tablet metaphor does NOT work on the desktop!!
22:34 KikaRz             what yesterday i've tried?
22:34 mauvebic           i had the top thread on ubuntu forums for awhile detailing why computer literate people would ditch unity in a heartbeat lol
22:34 Uberi|Busy         I want to see my window titles in the taskbar!
22:34 KikaRz             MAKING MY COMPUTER A FOURTHPLE SCREENS!
22:34 KikaRz             *_*
22:34 KikaRz             Epic!
22:35 kaeza              Uberi|Busy: lol
22:35 mauvebic           XFCE kicks ass, et even tiles my windows at the edges now (THATs genius)
22:35 kaeza              I hate Unity too
22:36 kaeza              mauvebic: The xfce desktop is nice, but somehow borked my comp
22:36 mauvebic           unity is what it is because they gave designers (of all people) final word on everything
22:36 Uberi|Busy         but hey, it is genuinely good for new users in my experience
22:36 mauvebic           xfce?
22:36 mauvebic           borked your desktop? crap how?
22:36 KikaRz             mauvebic, no.
22:37 KikaRz             Not Xfce
22:37 kaeza              mauvebic: to start, It was at 50% performance even with compositing turned off
22:37 KikaRz             but yes, real screens
22:37 mauvebic           weird
22:37 KikaRz             4 monitors
22:37 KikaRz             *-*
22:37 KikaRz             better than xfce
22:37 mauvebic           arch + xfce running binary nvidia i get 1-2% cpu during idle
22:37 KikaRz             can move mouse to everywhere
22:38 Uberi|Busy         somehow unity eats 11% at idle...
22:38 KikaRz             yea
22:38 Uberi|Busy         I don't even know how you let that happen
22:38 KikaRz             i hate unity
22:38 KikaRz             that sucks.
22:38 kaeza              also "full-screen windows" could not be created no matter what
22:38 mauvebic           1-2% on a P4 (worth underlining)
22:39 kaeza              50% on an intel E5700 Dual-Core
22:39 bulletrulz         i use LXDE
22:39 kaeza              :(
22:39 KikaRz             well people
22:39 KikaRz             gotta go...
22:39 mauvebic           try archbang in a VM see how that goes?
22:39 VanessaE           kaeza: 2-3% CPU at idle, and that'
22:39 KikaRz             see you tomorrow
22:39 KikaRz             kisses
22:39 VanessaE           kaeza: 2-3% CPU at idle, and that's with a (currently unoccupied) minetest server running.
22:39 kaeza              see ya KikaRz
22:39 mauvebic           how can you run minetest and have 2-3%???
22:40 mauvebic           even on the new dualcore one of the CPU bars is pretty full lol
22:40 VanessaE           mauvebic: unoccupied.  When active, it ties up only about 12% CPU.
22:40 kaeza              I have 100% in one cPU while running minetest
22:40 kaeza              10% *
22:40 iqualfragile1      well, actualy that just inspired me to create a bash-based chatbot
22:40 mauvebic           mind you if my FPS is going down is prolly the 100+ decorative nodes i use
22:41 KikaRz             kisses VanessaE, kaeza, mauvebic, iglooboot, Uberi|Busy, ecube, OldCoder, ChanServ , iqualfragile, Freefull, iqualfragile1, Muadtralk, etc...
22:41 VanessaE           now, the CLIENT eats CPU of course. usually right around 100% since it's rendering full tilt 256px textures :-)
22:41 VanessaE           bye KikaRz
22:41 KikaRz             sorry for that whole list...
22:41 KikaRz             bye :P
22:41 kaeza              KikaRz: :)
22:41 VanessaE           mauvebic: I have over 1300 defined nodes in my server.
22:41 iqualfragile1      bb
22:41 Uberi|Busy         did you say 256px? O_o
22:41 mauvebic           tabarnacle
22:41 VanessaE           Uberi|Busy: yes, 256px.
22:41 Uberi|Busy         that's insane, VanessaE
22:41 VanessaE           Uberi|Busy: I used to run 512px, but I got tired of the lags caused by it (and I mean lag, not FPS loss)
22:42 VanessaE           Uberi|Busy: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/minetest-screenshot-vanessa512hd-1.png
22:42 VanessaE           512px version.  256px would look nearly identical from that distance.
22:43 bulletrulz         can i install emerald in lubuntu
22:43 mauvebic           emerald... for copmpiz?
22:43 mauvebic           *compiz
22:43 Uberi|Busy         if I were a GPU, I'd roll over and die at the sight of thatr
22:43 kaeza              this^
22:44 mauvebic           emerald is duck-ugly but yeah its in synaptic
22:44 VanessaE           Uberi|Busy: 50+ fps in my Radeon HD6870 with proprietary driver in Linux :-)
22:44 mauvebic           nice
22:44 Uberi|Busy         probably ~1fps on my intel integrated :P
22:44 mauvebic           my olde tower (p4 new nvidia) gets 60FPS, the new tower does too lol
22:44 VanessaE           mauvebic: oh, they finally put emerald back in? nice.
22:44 mauvebic           they took it out?
22:44 VanessaE           Uberi|Busy: my laptop (Mobility Radon 9600 gfx) can do about 18 fps with the 64px version.
22:44 mauvebic           well you can still compile emerald?
22:44 VanessaE           mauvebic: at one time, they did yeah
22:45 mauvebic           i have a working version here so its still maintained at least
22:45 VanessaE           which pissed me off to no end, I liked emerald.
22:45 mauvebic           emerald is fine
22:45 mauvebic           its nice themes that are hard to find
22:45 VanessaE           but I don't use compiz anymore, so that's a moot point
22:45 mauvebic           me neither
22:45 mauvebic           not even compositing on xfce
22:45 mauvebic           its soo 2009
22:45 mauvebic           remember when widgets were the rage?
22:45 VanessaE           I donm
22:46 VanessaE           I don't use compositing here either.
22:46 VanessaE           widgets?
22:46 VanessaE           "What's a widget?"
22:46 Uberi|Busy         oh how the times change
22:46 VanessaE           "It's a fictional product.  It doesn't matter."
22:46 VanessaE           "[Scoffs] Tell that to the bank."
22:46 mauvebic           widget like that crap you put on the background of an android phone, calendars memos and such
22:47 VanessaE           mauvebic: oh.  Well I don't own a smartphone, so... :-)
22:47 VanessaE           but I have a number of panel applets I use, may as well be the same thing
22:47 Uberi|Busy         oh and those windows "desktop gadgets"
22:47 khonkhortisan      I can use widgets with kde
22:47 Uberi|Busy         I used those for maybe a week before they started to irk me
22:47 mauvebic           desktop gadgets == widgets for one of the other companies doing them at the time
22:49 OldCoder           k
22:50 VanessaE           kaeza: thanks for fielding those questions on the homedecor thread.  I speak english and broken english, but not fucking-broken-english :D
22:51 mauvebic           can a mod access the world db directly while in play?
22:51 VanessaE           dunno, I wouldn't think so.
22:52 VanessaE           good luck interpreting an sqlite database in Lua anyway :-)
22:52 mauvebic           if its anything like mysql i have a few years exp for starts
22:52 mauvebic           the blobs might be a bit tricky though lol
22:52 kaeza              mauvebic: maybe if there's an SQLite binding for lua
22:53 kaeza              VanessaE: no prob
22:53 kaeza              sorry, was out for a bit :)
22:53 mauvebic           i saw this video of a guy importing simcity 2000 maps into minecraft, it was cool
22:57 mauvebic           wonder if it might not be more efficient to store blueprints into their own DB
22:58 mauvebic           for a mod like towntest/simcity to work, you need easy/fast access to blueprints
22:58 VanessaE           why not export to worldedit format?
22:58 VanessaE           then use that mod to load the converted city
22:59 mauvebic           i dont store them the same as worldedit
22:59 kaeza              I have been tinkering also with an idea
22:59 VanessaE           the question, however, is how do you render a simcity building into Minetest/craft?  10x10x10 nodes?  larger?
22:59 mauvebic           i recently blueprinted a ship containing 50K nodes, i had to come up with some unique solutions lol
22:59 kaeza              maybe make a tool that makes the diff of a world based on it's seed
22:59 VanessaE           maybe one mapblock per building?
22:59 mauvebic           the way i see it
23:00 mauvebic           for simcity
23:00 mauvebic           if one square = one house plus a hard
23:00 mauvebic           id figure one simcity square is at least a 10x10 in minetest?
23:01 VanessaE           of course, I haven't played simcity since micropolis (and I still have it), or Lincity-NG
23:01 VanessaE           so I have no idea what modern Simcity looks like :-)
23:01 mauvebic           sim societies suck
23:01 kaeza              I only played SimCity 2000 on my SNES
23:01 mauvebic           simcity 4k and cities XL are the best of their category
23:01 mauvebic           well id like the most basic of construction to be as easy as simcity (like roads and such)
23:02 VanessaE           but if you were using micropolis as the basis, I would say one square (of which 3x3 make a residential/commercial/industrial zone) would need to render to no less than one 16x16x16 mapblock
23:02 mauvebic           but more then that it would be nice to designate lots ingame and have the mod figure which blueprint fits there and build it
23:02 kaeza              mauvebic: +1
23:02 VanessaE           otherwise there wouldn't be enough room to actually walk around inside the buildings.
23:03 mauvebic           the thing with my format is i store the nodename once and then each set of coordinates
23:03 mauvebic           id have to write a converter for WEP plans
23:04 mauvebic           *rather a reader
23:05 mauvebic           but what would be simpler is having all plans/blueprints databased instead lol
23:06 kaeza              brb. Food calls :)
23:07 VanessaE           I think I'll follow kaeza's lead.  dinner time.
23:07 VanessaE           bbl
23:08 mauvebic           i should have dinner too, brb, getting a beer and cigarette lol
23:09 Uberi|Busy         mmm, food
23:16 * VanessaE         returns wielding a can of garbanzo beans and a bowl of tuna salad
23:17 * marktraceur      ducks
23:19 VanessaE           lol
23:28 kaeza              back
23:28 VanessaE           wb
23:28 rarkenin           Hey... It';s me again. I have a debug.txt but it has nothing useful. Only:
23:28 rarkenin           In trans_func.
23:28 rarkenin           Access violation at 00EDC852 write?=0 address=249
23:28 rarkenin           In trans_func.
23:28 rarkenin           Access violation at 00EDC852 write?=0 address=249
23:28 rarkenin           18:27:26: ERROR[main]: Some exception: "Access violation"
23:28 rarkenin           18:27:26: INFO[main]: Searching worlds...
23:28 rarkenin           18:27:26: INFO[main]:   In C:\Users\Alexander\Desktop\Minecraft\minetest-0.4.3-win32\bin\..\worlds:
23:28 rarkenin           18:27:26: INFO[main]: 0gb.us etst minimal (invalid: rwar) test testtset
23:28 rarkenin           18:27:26: INFO[main]: 5 found.
23:29 rarkenin           18:27:26: INFO[main]: Waiting for other menus
23:29 rarkenin           18:27:26: INFO[main]: Waited for other menus
23:29 rarkenin           18:27:26: VERBOSE[main]: error_message = Some exception: "Access violation"
23:29 VanessaE           DON'T PASTE HERE!
23:29 kaeza              nonononono
23:29 kaeza              USE F*CKING PASTEBIN!!
23:29 VanessaE           Use a pastebin!
23:29 rarkenin           My apolgies. It was only that much,
23:29 Uberi|Busy         uh oh access violations
23:29 VanessaE           I have yet to see an explanation of what "Access violation" actually means in this context
23:30 Uberi|Busy         the world ends not in a bang, but in access violations
23:30 kaeza              lol
23:30 VanessaE           lol
23:30 rarkenin           Full debug,txt coming on Pastebin...
23:30 kaeza              That's when God hits line 15837 of humanity.cpp
23:31 rarkenin           No other context, Happens when sending a chat message or logging on.
23:31 Uberi|Busy         access violations occur when you try to access memory outside of the memory that you have permission to
23:31 VanessaE           kaeza: no, see He just missed a comma but can't find it because he didn't break his code up into decently-sized modules :-)
23:31 kaeza              lol
23:31 rarkenin           Then dunps me at main menu but plays on for a while.
23:31 VanessaE           Uberi|Busy: so, a segfault
23:31 Uberi|Busy         pretty much
23:31 Uberi|Busy         but it applies to more than just the segmented memory model
23:32 VanessaE           right
23:32 rarkenin           Pastebin is killing my bandwidth right now,
23:32 VanessaE           plus of course the game is still running.
23:32 VanessaE           (so to speak)
23:32 kaeza              women.cpp: 32: in Women::think: NonThinkingEntityException
23:32 rarkenin           No, it's not. I had to exit it to get at the debug file.
23:32 VanessaE           :P
23:32 Uberi|Busy         :O
23:33 VanessaE           kaeza: well, see He knew I was gonna make Unified Dyes, so he went forward in time, grabbed the stable version, and installed it back in time :D
23:33 VanessaE           that's why we have better color vision than men :D
23:33 kaeza              lol
23:34 * kaeza            is dying because that statemen is true. PS: i'm colorblind remember?
23:34 VanessaE           HAH!  I forgot
23:34 VanessaE           sorry about that :D
23:34 kaeza              np
23:34 kaeza              j/k :)
23:34 Uberi|Busy         oh cool
23:35 VanessaE           so you meant to say "I'm colorblind, you insensitive bitch (clod)!"
23:35 kaeza              lol yea
23:35 kaeza              :P
23:35 VanessaE           sigh.  I read too much slashdot
23:36 kaeza              rarkenin: pastebin... much bandwidht... I don't see how that's possible
23:37 VanessaE           not to mention that if it's killing your CPU or network, use a different pastebin or get a better browser :-)
23:38 rarkenin           I don't know. It was 216 MB and I failed to redact it... :'( I;m redacting it now,.
23:39 VanessaE           oops!
23:39 VanessaE           well, delete debug.txt, run the game until it crashes, then pastebin that
23:39 VanessaE           216MB worth of debug text is not useful.
23:39 * OldCoder         is AFK on an errand
23:39 OldCoder           Sure it is if you use Perl
23:40 kaeza              YAY! Let's start another browser WAR! http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ylEf-I3KFg0/UBfSZmvRRlI/AAAAAAAALz4/cA_Cs1pqtW8/s1600/browser-humor.jpg
23:40 VanessaE           OldCoder: some of us don't speak line noise :D
23:40 Uberi|Busy         tail -f debug.txt
23:40 Uberi|Busy         some people don't like to write like cartoon characters swearing
23:40 mauvebic           browser wars? everyone know my browser has the biggest cache around ;P
23:40 VanessaE           lol
23:41 OldCoder           Hmm?
23:41 mauvebic           lolll
23:41 * OldCoder         is lost and confused
23:41 mauvebic           ive been drinking, carry on :P
23:41 OldCoder           All right
23:41 VanessaE           perl = the language of line noise :D
23:41 mauvebic           people still do perl?
23:41 rarkenin           VanessaE: I'm just going to copy the important parts for the last init.
23:42 rarkenin           http://paste.ubuntu.com/1395721/
23:42 kaeza              that's better
23:42 VanessaE           mauvebic: I thought everyone moved on to Ruby by now? ;-)
23:42 mauvebic           ruby? oh god no lol
23:42 Uberi|Busy         hahaha
23:42 mauvebic           i started with perl in...97? then php and so on
23:42 OldCoder           mauvebic, I am leaving but quick question; how do you feel when most people you meet are younger than Perl?
23:43 mauvebic           lol age doesnt matter
23:43 kaeza              I accidentaly my minetest. Is this bad?
23:43 marktraceur        kaeza: Yes.
23:43 rarkenin           This sentence no verb.
23:43 mauvebic           i know geezers who cant do basic html
23:43 VanessaE           rarkenin: that seems like a lot of sounds to play at once.  do you have ambiance mod install or something?
23:43 mauvebic           and young people who know assembly
23:43 mauvebic           and vica versa
23:43 VanessaE           installed*
23:44 marktraceur        Oh wow, I'm younger than Perl. I'm so scared.
23:44 rarkenin           No. It was a server issue where a sound kept on looping. It was a fire protection mod created by 0gb_us that couldn't stop the fire noise.
23:44 marktraceur        But I also know assembly.
23:44 * marktraceur      is sooo confused
23:44 kaeza              rarkenin: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-accidentally
23:44 mauvebic           assembly is an awesome skill to hav
23:44 mauvebic           your practically talking to a machine on it's level
23:44 kaeza              hey Kacey
23:45 Kacey              hi
23:45 mauvebic           though it confuses the hell outta might whenever i pick up a book on the subject lol
23:45 marktraceur        mov mauvebic, assemblyknowledge
23:45 mauvebic           i did basic though
23:45 mauvebic           i dont remember it now i was 6 i think
23:46 mauvebic           those shitty ass 80's electronic "agendas" (primitive palm pilots lol)
23:47 Kacey              i found my dads old pager
23:47 kaeza              assembler is quickly fading out in favor of optimizing compiler. What has the world come to?
23:47 mauvebic           i also had one of these: http://klaus-hamann.de/images/Computer1/Toshiba_T5100.jpg
23:47 Uberi|Busy         optimizing compilers are getting smarter than ASM programmers, you mean :P
23:48 Uberi|Busy         they are scary smart these days
23:48 kaeza              yup. Remember the Allegro library? it used to have large parts on ASM
23:49 kaeza              at least before 4.2
23:50 VanessaE           marktraceur: 01:46:30: ACTION[ServerThread]: CHAT: <marktraceur> Do you know what uranium is supposed to do?
23:50 VanessaE           I think that's used with Technic to make nuclear reactors?
23:50 Uberi|Busy         allegroCL?
23:51 kaeza              CL?
23:51 kaeza              :?
23:53 iqualfragile1      night
23:53 mauvebic           2.2K lines too much for one script?
23:54 marktraceur        VanessaE: Good to know, thanks
23:54 VanessaE           mauvebic: way too much if that's all in one file.
23:55 VanessaE           when you get much beyond about 500 lines, you should split it into multiple files.
23:56 mauvebic           yeah, tricky :/
23:56 VanessaE           it just gets unwieldy for me when a file grows that large, but each person is different in that regard.
23:56 khonkhortisan      than I have 67 lines to go
23:57 Kacey|busy         idk how many more lines until i hit 500
23:57 mauvebic           frameworks, definitions, they get tangled up lol
23:58 mauvebic           i have weapons that need the shapes from multinode to create mushroom clouds, etc.
23:58 kaeza              what's the best way to update something every 1 second from within minetest?
23:58 mauvebic           at least ive managed to keep the dependencies to 1 or 2 max
23:58 Uberi|Busy         a node or entity?
23:58 kaeza              global
23:58 mauvebic           -abm or node timer
23:58 mauvebic           on step
23:58 Uberi|Busy         register_on_globalstep
23:58 kaeza              I'm giving a shot at connecting MT chat to IRC
23:58 Uberi|Busy         ^ kaeza
23:59 mauvebic           sweet :-)
23:59 Uberi|Busy         oh then use register_on_chatmessage
23:59 mauvebic           screens
23:59 Kacey|busy         ooh i need that code then
23:59 kaeza              I want to cache the IRC chat in a table and update the local chat widget every second