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00:00 OldCoder Another day pretty much 100% in MT
00:00 OldCoder But I will get work done
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00:12 skully_ oldcoder
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00:15 OldCoder Hello
00:21 OldCoder JangoFett154, PM if around thx
00:38 * VanessaE is back
00:38 VanessaE NakedFury: I'd hardly say c55 "hates" me, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't exactly like me :-)
00:39 VanessaE LAD: you rang?
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00:52 VanessaE wb neko
00:52 VanessaE and hi to zilvarael, whoever you are ;)
00:57 zilvarael VanessaE:  Sup! :D
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01:10 bulletrulz2 hi
01:10 bulletrulz2 lol my server is moorcock.freenode.net xD
01:22 OldCoder
01:22 OldCoder TownTest NPC is crashing a world. I've removed the mod but the ghost continues to crash. I figure maybe create a dummy TownTest that does nothing. Suggestions? World is 30011.
01:22 OldCoder JangoFett154, ^
01:23 OldCoder If anybody sees JangoFett154 or EnvoyXiphos send them to me
01:23 OldCoder Their world needs an edit
01:45 NakedFury ok back to game
01:45 NakedFury finished eating pizzas
01:46 NekoGloop XD
01:46 NakedFury im making a 100 x 110 or close. 3 high and 3 wide pyramid
01:50 OldCoder Large
01:50 NakedFury yes
01:50 NakedFury I want enough space in the middle of each step so I can walk in it and eventually add tubes or cables
01:51 NakedFury cant connect to my beloved server
01:58 OldCoder Intertubes
02:00 NakedFury would be interesting to try a desert city but the desert is small
02:00 NekoGloop Make one!
02:02 NakedFury saving on extra sand to expand it
02:03 NekoGloop Hum...
02:03 NekoGloop Akalin + sand = desert sand
02:03 NekoGloop Akalin + stone = desert stone
02:03 NekoGloop Good?
02:03 NakedFury very interesting
02:04 NakedFury I like it
02:04 NakedFury entirely crazy yet useful
02:04 NekoGloop Well akalin is the ore of the desert, is it not?
02:04 NakedFury I was thinking something like that. mixing certain elements to get others. like alchemy
02:05 NekoGloop For that, we could have something like the alloy furnace
02:05 NakedFury yes
02:05 NekoGloop (minus electricity and more slots maybe)
02:05 NekoGloop Speaking of that...
02:06 NekoGloop RealBadAngel: Make a goddamn nonelectric alloy furnace
02:06 NakedFury there are so many ideas that I would like to do
02:06 NekoGloop NakedFury: Like?
02:06 NakedFury well for dyes: add a dye cauldron or tube where the colored liquid is. you just dip cotton in it, right click holding cotton.
02:07 NekoGloop :o
02:07 NakedFury would also make for a cool look workroom for dyes
02:08 NekoGloop Well, i'd like to know how i could make gloopblocks' wet cement be placeable.
02:08 NekoGloop (and work as it should)
02:10 NekoGloop Also, new evil stick recipe, yay or nay?
02:10 NakedFury go for it. what about stick with the new ores that are used for something else too
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02:11 NakedFury we never see iron sticks for tools adding more durability to them
02:11 NekoGloop Hm...
02:11 NekoGloop NakedFury: I mean the recipe i just gave it.
02:11 NekoGloop Look on the forum.
02:14 khonkhortisan I would've stopped at "we never see iron sticks"
02:19 khonkhortisan the issue tracker on github doesn't give a preview button if you are editing a pre-existing post.
02:27 NakedFury ok It doesnt want me to connect
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02:38 khonkhortisan my rubik's cube doesn't like worldedit :(
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02:54 khonkhortisan my client crashed after joining minetest.org:30007
02:54 NakedFury cant join develan 30000
02:54 khonkhortisan /home/kyle/src/minetest/src/tile.cpp:488: virtual irr::u32 TextureSource::getTextureId(const string&): Assertion 'result.key == name' failed.
02:56 khonkhortisan me neither
02:56 NakedFury maybe oldcoder took them offline for maintenance?
02:56 khonkhortisan oldcoder is using minetest.org
02:56 NakedFury develan.com no longer??
02:56 khonkhortisan nope
02:56 NakedFury I always connect using develan.com port 30000
02:57 khonkhortisan http://oldcoder.org/general/minetest/index.html
02:57 NakedFury yeah noticed thanks
02:57 NakedFury when did he renamed?
02:58 khonkhortisan a few days ago?
02:58 NakedFury well just 1 hour ago I was fine with develan
02:58 OldCoder Hi
02:59 NakedFury hi
02:59 OldCoder develan.com is temporary
02:59 OldCoder minetest.org is the new domain
02:59 OldCoder
02:59 NakedFury okl thanks for clarifying that
02:59 OldCoder The worlds are up
02:59 OldCoder Checking
02:59 OldCoder 30001 is down
02:59 OldCoder for maintenance
02:59 OldCoder 30011 is down
02:59 OldCoder because they have a bad Towntest
02:59 OldCoder Removing the mod does not help
02:59 OldCoder Need to worldedit to stop the crashes
02:59 NakedFury well I have been stuck at connecting for a long time now
03:00 OldCoder I will check
03:00 OldCoder Which world are you on?
03:00 NakedFury Primary
03:00 OldCoder NakedFury, 30000?
03:00 NakedFury 30k port
03:00 OldCoder k
03:00 khonkhortisan 30007 works but not 30000
03:01 OldCoder I know what happened
03:01 OldCoder hold on
03:01 OldCoder NakedFury, khonkhortisan worlds are now cycling
03:01 OldCoder
03:01 OldCoder I took 30011 offline
03:01 OldCoder due to repeated crashing
03:01 OldCoder when I did
03:01 OldCoder I disabled auto-restart
03:02 OldCoder world 30000 crashed subsequently
03:02 OldCoder and could not restart
03:02 OldCoder
03:02 OldCoder I am learning
03:02 OldCoder how to do this efficiently
03:02 OldCoder worlds should run now
03:02 OldCoder except 30001 and 30011
03:02 OldCoder
03:02 OldCoder We regret
03:02 OldCoder any inconvenience
03:02 OldCoder :-)
03:02 OldCoder
03:02 OldCoder To be clear
03:02 NakedFury no problem
03:02 OldCoder The worlds will usually restart after crashing
03:02 OldCoder
03:02 OldCoder Now...
03:03 OldCoder Does anybody have a suggestion regarding exorcising Town Test from 30011 ?
03:03 OldCoder They crash as soon as it activates
03:03 OldCoder But removing the mod
03:03 OldCoder causes a fatal error as well
03:03 OldCoder I am considering making a dummy version of the mod
03:03 OldCoder which will define the NPC but not cause crashes
03:03 OldCoder
03:03 NakedFury if no safe way to do that then start considering a clean start
03:03 OldCoder Comments?
03:03 OldCoder
03:04 OldCoder Never
03:04 OldCoder Destroy all the buildings?
03:04 OldCoder It is quite a world
03:04 OldCoder You should take a look at it
03:04 OldCoder
03:04 khonkhortisan OldCoder, have anything to say on //load? https://github.com/Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit/issues/17
03:04 OldCoder Perhaps go back a day or two in backups
03:04 OldCoder Reading
03:04 khonkhortisan And did you ask about //metasave?
03:04 NakedFury well I guess MineTest needs a sure safe way to remove all mod traces from a world. we dont have that yet, that I know off
03:04 khonkhortisan Or can I report it myself?
03:05 OldCoder khonkhortisan, I was waiting to see Uberi. You would be much more knowledgeable than I
03:05 OldCoder Please report it
03:05 OldCoder I am a novice at this
03:06 khonkhortisan Now I know what you mean by "Open World"
03:06 OldCoder
03:06 OldCoder 01:13:51: ERROR[ServerThread]: LuaEntity name
03:06 OldCoder "towntest_npc:builder" not defined
03:07 OldCoder There should be a way to make a dummy mod
03:07 OldCoder to fix that
03:07 OldCoder
03:08 OldCoder For those shell coders here who are curious:
03:08 OldCoder
03:08 OldCoder while true
03:08 OldCoder do
03:08 OldCoder $SERVEREXE \
03:08 OldCoder --port   30003 \
03:08 OldCoder --gameid calinou_game \
03:08 OldCoder --config $CONFXDIR/calinou.conf \
03:08 OldCoder --world  $WORLDDIR/calinou \
03:08 OldCoder >> $LOGDIR/30003.log 2>&1
03:08 OldCoder if [ -f $EXITFILE ]; then exit 0; fi
03:08 OldCoder sleep 3
03:08 OldCoder done
03:08 OldCoder
03:08 OldCoder There is the code that restarts one world after a crash
03:08 OldCoder
03:08 khonkhortisan You could make it do all the worlds
03:09 OldCoder It does
03:09 OldCoder That is one small piece
03:09 OldCoder I used a kludge to prevent 30011 from restarting. Too broad. That's why the rest of you couldn't get back in.
03:10 OldCoder BTW Try the Calinou World. Not bad.
03:10 khonkhortisan Is there any kind of road salt?
03:10 OldCoder Shall I grep for road and salt?
03:10 khonkhortisan I have snow on my road
03:10 OldCoder Ah
03:11 khonkhortisan waa what kind of node ownership do you have on '07?
03:11 OldCoder Node Ownership
03:11 OldCoder I asked for consensus
03:11 khonkhortisan is it for single nodes?
03:12 OldCoder Everybody loved the idea except for NekoGloop
03:12 OldCoder Check the mod
03:12 khonkhortisan oh, I found the owner.
03:15 VanessaE one thing that would solve neko's concern is that if servers that use node_ownership would occasionally purge their listings of users who have abandoned their properties
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03:17 OldCoder bulletrulz, Hi
03:17 OldCoder bulletrulz, we did not finish
03:17 OldCoder You are the armor mod maintainer?
03:17 OldCoder VanessaE, any thoughts on repairing the TownTest issue discussed above?
03:19 VanessaE I have no opinion on that one except I know the workers mod is a little buggy.
03:19 bulletrulz OldCoder, no i need someone to host it dl it for me and host it so i can dl it
03:19 VanessaE is it possible to build the houses without using workers?
03:19 khonkhortisan Walfoye likes killing
03:19 OldCoder VanessaE, sure
03:19 OldCoder khonkhortisan, trap?
03:19 VanessaE ok, then do that much
03:19 OldCoder bulletrulz, I am confused
03:19 khonkhortisan yep
03:19 OldCoder bulletrulz, you just need a copy? Hold on
03:19 VanessaE afaic, the only difference then is time it takes to build a house.
03:20 OldCoder bulletrulz, you are simply asking for a copy of the armor mod?
03:20 bulletrulz yes OldCoder
03:20 OldCoder VanessaE, the point of these mods is fun
03:20 khonkhortisan So to own a node all you have to do is place it?
03:20 VanessaE (and the fact that you have to acquire the materials to give to the Worker)
03:20 OldCoder bulletrulz, one moment
03:20 bulletrulz ty
03:20 OldCoder khonkhortisan, apparently
03:20 OldCoder bulletrulz, the mod will break PVP
03:20 OldCoder just noting
03:21 bulletrulz OldCoder, its ok i dont host a server
03:21 OldCoder ?
03:21 OldCoder I do not understand
03:21 OldCoder Wait a moment
03:21 bulletrulz so i wont need pvp
03:22 OldCoder http://minetest.org/armor.zip
03:22 OldCoder There you go
03:22 bulletrulz ty
03:22 OldCoder yw
03:22 NakedFury you have a weird connection
03:41 OldCoder Hmm?
03:41 OldCoder Oh
04:17 OldCoder
04:17 OldCoder I am testing my first mod fix for a crash
04:17 OldCoder Would anybody like to visit 30011 and see if it dies?
04:17 OldCoder BTW 30007 just went down
04:18 NakedFury ok give me a second
04:18 OldCoder Looks like technic did it
04:18 NakedFury finish this last bag
04:18 NakedFury visiting
04:19 NakedFury connected
04:20 NakedFury ok online and readng stuff
04:22 OldCoder NakedFury, thanks. Looks like it's still crashing. I'll need to find a way to disable TownTest without removing the mod.
04:22 NakedFury I didnt crash
04:22 OldCoder I did
04:22 OldCoder right before you arrived
04:22 OldCoder Thanks
04:22 OldCoder TownTest
04:23 OldCoder is accumulated nil pointers
04:23 OldCoder and dereferencing them
04:23 OldCoder That doesn't work too well :-)
04:23 khonkhortisan How would I read the formspec of an existing node?
04:24 NakedFury ok explored a bit then commited suicide
04:24 OldCoder Ouch
04:24 NakedFury they have a weird wood pillar with a house on top
04:24 OldCoder Yep
04:24 OldCoder Lots of interesting stuff
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04:26 OldCoder anunakki, wb
04:26 anunakki ty
04:26 khonkhortisan Is there a command to clear the chat?
04:26 anunakki i just did /clear which isnt a command
04:27 anunakki and it cleared all the long shit
04:27 anunakki lol
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04:32 NakedFury woooop! large bag!
04:34 khonkhortisan I like picture-based bug reports.
04:35 khonkhortisan https://github.com/Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit/issues/18 it's just so easy to explain
04:53 khonkhortisan this channel varies greatly between noise and quiet.
04:53 OldCoder most do
04:54 * VanessaE tunes a radio to a dead spot and cranks up the volume
04:55 khonkhortisan the deaf guy next door goes crazy
04:59 TheRedMoodWin VanessaE
04:59 VanessaE hi
04:59 TheRedMoodWin Hello, miss
04:59 TheRedMoodWin I have a problem, which I need a female to answer
05:00 TheRedMoodWin Do you got a secound?
05:00 VanessaE sure
05:02 OldCoder I think I have fixed crashes in Town Test
05:02 TheRedMoodWin NIce going OldCoder
05:04 OldCoder U.S. worlds going down
05:05 TheRedMoodWin Hmm, on the forum someone requested aliases for commands
05:05 TheRedMoodWin Problem now is that I would have to reregister all the commands, which would lead to /help getting flooded
05:05 NakedFury dammit i sure wish important administrative or server announcement were bigger
05:06 NakedFury but the chat is too hidden up there
05:09 OldCoder U.S. worlds back up
05:14 VanessaE it's possible to configure how tall the chat area at the top is, I thought?
05:17 NakedFury doesnt change that it is absolutely crap and should have never been like that in the game
05:17 VanessaE agreed.
05:17 VanessaE everything that goes through that chat area should have been logged in the F10 console - including / and T commands.
05:18 NakedFury if you have the coding skills and I think chats are easy then take the time to do them the proper way dammit
05:18 VanessaE and the F10 console SHOULDN'T FUCKING CRASH. :-)
05:18 VanessaE I'd fix it but my C++ skills are presently limited to copy&paste coding :D
05:19 khonkhortisan I do call heirarchy a lot
05:19 NakedFury and for gods sake if you include Settings area in the game include them there dont leave that area useless and place settings outside game
05:20 NakedFury so many weird ways and wrong ways have gone here on MT
05:20 VanessaE NakedFury: you mean, like THIS?  http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3410
05:20 khonkhortisan must leave server to change fly button
05:21 NakedFury yes I have that new graphic options build
05:21 NakedFury exactly that. add all config options to the settings
05:21 VanessaE NakedFury: that was exactly a reaction to that mostly-empty settings tab.
05:21 NakedFury and sound please.
05:21 khonkhortisan and add settings inside the on-server menu
05:22 NakedFury that too
05:22 khonkhortisan it has sound
05:22 NakedFury inside game too
05:22 khonkhortisan it has sound inside game too
05:22 NakedFury I mean add sounds to the settings area too
05:22 khonkhortisan ?
05:22 NakedFury click Settings and you dont find anything about sound in it
05:24 NakedFury minetest needs a face operation. a beatification patch
05:24 VanessaE I will probably add that texture atlas switch to the settings menu, maybe also disabling sound if that's possible
05:25 VanessaE but I won't touch server-side stuff.  My tweaks are purely client-side
05:25 NakedFury cant sound be added with a write in box to write from 0.0 to what ever the max is
05:27 VanessaE can it?  sure.  Can I do it?  not yet :-)
05:27 NakedFury why is it that those with no way to help want to help the most?
05:28 VanessaE dunno :-)
05:29 VanessaE to be fair, the last time I touched C++ before those video settings patches was well over 10 years ago
05:29 khonkhortisan I copied the color of the signature line and made my own signature line
05:29 NakedFury sucks not even being able to make small tweaks of edits
05:29 VanessaE (and then it was only to write a few dozen lines of code to help my sister with a school project)
05:30 NakedFury computer stuff should be added to curriculum in high schools
05:30 VanessaE nice idea but there's a problem with it:
05:30 OldCoder Why wasn't this done decades ago?
05:30 khonkhortisan computer stuff is in high schools
05:30 OldCoder mrtux says they don't have any program at all in his district
05:30 VanessaE by the time a student can put his or her newly-learned computing skills to work, said skills are outdated,.
05:30 NakedFury computers are not going anywhere and more jobs are needing them
05:30 OldCoder Rubbish
05:30 OldCoder Languages
05:30 OldCoder They can teach proper structure
05:30 OldCoder Principles of design
05:30 khonkhortisan this is how you move a file. This is how you make a folder. This is how to use a web browser. This is html.
05:31 VanessaE well that much is true
05:31 OldCoder Bleh
05:31 khonkhortisan There wasn't much to learn
05:31 VanessaE but for example:
05:31 OldCoder code
05:31 NakedFury well basic pc but then start with code
05:31 VanessaE I learned K&R C back in the early 1990's.
05:31 OldCoder 1970s
05:31 VanessaE by the time I was able to actually DO anything with it, the rest of the world had migrated to ANSI C.
05:31 OldCoder Rubbish
05:31 OldCoder It became part of your development
05:31 OldCoder Coding
05:31 VanessaE so some of my skill set was useless and had to be re-learned.
05:31 OldCoder Really?
05:32 OldCoder Nah
05:32 NakedFury thats life
05:32 VanessaE today, I could probably hold my own coding in simple C.
05:32 VanessaE (since I have some Verilog and plenty of BASH to fall back on)
05:32 VanessaE but C++ ?  fuck no
05:32 NakedFury people still learn latin and if we are talking about useless languages then that is number 1
05:33 VanessaE total mind-fuck when I look at C++, hence my comment that my skills there are limited to copy-paste-tweak-test :-)
05:33 VanessaE latin is useful in the medical field though.
05:33 NakedFury there and nowhere else
05:33 VanessaE and of course if you ever move to The Vatican or surrounding lands :-)
05:33 NakedFury and just because they keep naming things in it
05:36 NakedFury well for now I will just keep reading my books and rereading them to learn it
05:39 OldCoder C++ is not worth worrying about
05:39 VanessaE except that MT is coded in C++ :-)
05:40 NakedFury yeah
05:41 NakedFury I do wish it was easier to compile and test stuff
05:41 NakedFury java style easy
05:41 VanessaE compiling and testing is easy.  cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1; make -j12; bin/minetest
05:41 VanessaE the problem is getting the code right to begin with :-)
05:48 VanessaE bbl
05:51 TheRedMood Well
05:52 TheRedMood Look at the linux kernel
05:52 TheRedMood Thats easier to compile than this :)
05:52 khonkhortisan with good reason?
05:52 TheRedMood Not really.
05:53 TheRedMood I would say the linux kernel is a more complex piece of programming that this.
05:53 TheRedMood But again there is not so many projects that would beat the linux kernel in that repsect :)
05:54 Kray define easier to compile
05:54 TheRedMood make all
05:54 TheRedMood and then it is
05:54 TheRedMood make install_modules ?
05:54 TheRedMood I think....
05:54 Kray you have to configure it first
05:54 TheRedMood yes
05:54 TheRedMood But that is easy
05:54 TheRedMood Not easy, simple
05:54 TheRedMood X3
05:54 TheRedMood make menuconfig i think?
05:55 TheRedMood God I need to reinstall gentoo some of these days
05:55 khonkhortisan I think you should install it other days.
05:55 Kray ...and running cmake . is easier than choosing everything you need using menuconfig
05:55 TheRedMood ;o
05:56 OldCoder <TheRedMood> God I need to reinstall gentoo some of these days
05:56 TheRedMood Well Kray after doing it once you can just save the file and redo it with that
05:56 khonkhortisan cmake-gui, you don't have to search for settings
05:56 OldCoder As I may have offered let me introduce you to him
05:56 OldCoder BTW
05:56 OldCoder http://minetest.org/
05:56 TheRedMood ?
05:56 OldCoder Server list updated
05:56 TheRedMood What is it now?
05:56 OldCoder What?
05:56 TheRedMood Ohh, nice :D
05:56 TheRedMood VanessaE: What do you use, mrs?
05:56 TheRedMood s/mrs/
05:57 TheRedMood That habbit is going to be hard to trun :(
06:00 anunakki hmm
06:12 OldCoder anunakki, For news from the past few days see: http://oldcoder.org/general/minetest/mineinfo.html#SECTION04
06:14 NakedFury updating my cygwin and stuff so I can compile with netbeans. its time to do some tutorials
06:28 jin_xi hey VanessaE , nice work on your first patch. and in c++!
06:35 NakedFury the problem I have with compilingc++ is dealing with all the extra crap like settings on cygwin or cmake or whatever other crap you need
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08:38 TheRedMood VanessaE: What? You patched something ? Nice !
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09:20 OldCoder Calinou, wb
09:20 TheRedMood See ya all later
09:22 OldCoder night
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10:37 JangoFett154 OldCoder you here?
10:37 TheRedMoodWin Back
10:37 TheRedMoodWin :D
10:38 OldCoder Yes
10:38 OldCoder TheRedMoodWin, hi
10:38 JangoFett154 did you figure worldedit out?
10:38 OldCoder TheRedMoodWin, you know, you're starting to grow on me. The :D come across as sincere.
10:38 OldCoder JangoFett154, PM
10:38 TheRedMoodWin Was does sincere mean? :o
10:39 TheRedMoodWin And thanks for that. And also I always mean what I type when it comes to emotocons
10:39 TheRedMoodWin If I type :D
10:39 TheRedMoodWin Then I usally have a big smile on my face.
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10:44 TheRedMoodWin OldCoder what does sincere mean?
10:45 OldCoder TheRedMoodWin, It means that somebody communications honestly
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10:45 OldCoder *communicates
10:45 skully_ oldcoder
10:45 OldCoder skully_, hello
10:45 TheRedMoodWin Ohh
10:45 TheRedMoodWin Then that is correct :D
10:45 TheRedMoodWin OldCoder what langauge did you first learn
10:45 TheRedMoodWin ?
10:45 skully_ i got to go soon anyway so i cant stay on long oldcoder
10:47 OldCoder skully_, O.K.
10:47 OldCoder TheRedMoodWin, if you mean programming it was probably BASIC
10:48 TheRedMoodWin Okey
10:48 TheRedMoodWin I really want to learn some C or C++
10:48 OldCoder Good
10:48 TheRedMoodWin But I never get deep enough into the language
10:48 OldCoder I am AFK until later today
10:48 OldCoder TheRedMoodWin, I'll try to help you
10:48 OldCoder Not tonight though
10:48 OldCoder Leaving until later this morning
10:48 OldCoder ttys
10:48 TheRedMoodWin IO and network is something I have never been able to touch
10:49 TheRedMoodWin yet
10:49 OldCoder k
10:49 TheRedMoodWin Okey
10:49 OldCoder night
10:49 TheRedMoodWin See you later man :D
10:49 TheRedMoodWin have fun!
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11:25 TheRedMoodWin okey
11:25 TheRedMoodWin Someone requested /sethealth
11:25 TheRedMoodWin We are doing that
11:25 TheRedMoodWin and /heal
11:34 TheRedMoodWin Wow
11:34 TheRedMoodWin This channel is really silent
11:37 Basstard` It needs more cowbell.
11:38 TheRedMoodWin Agreed
11:44 JangoFett154 what should i build on envy's server
11:44 TheRedMoodWin I don't really know :o
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11:45 JangoFett154 hey CTMN
11:45 CTMN Hi
11:45 Basstard` Build a cowbell.
11:45 CTMN is 30001 online?
11:46 JangoFett154 yes
11:46 CTMN At last
11:47 TheRedMoodWin Hello :D
11:47 CTMN Hi
11:47 CTMN He it takes much time to load again
11:48 CTMN 0%
11:53 CTMN Still 0%!
11:53 TheRedMoodWin CTMN have you modded anything?
11:53 CTMN Its multiplayer
11:54 TheRedMoodWin No
11:54 TheRedMoodWin I am asking if you have coded anything?
11:54 TheRedMoodWin Like for minetest
11:54 TheRedMoodWin :D
11:54 CTMN No I havent coded any mods yet
11:54 CTMN Ah at last 2%
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11:54 Basstard` Minetest needs a cowbell.
11:55 CTMN What for?
11:55 TheRedMoodWin What is the
11:55 TheRedMoodWin Default amount of hearts?
11:55 TheRedMoodWin And why do my game looks like it is going in slow move??
11:55 CTMN Bad FPS?
11:55 TheRedMoodWin VanessaE, what is the default amount of hearts?
11:55 TheRedMoodWin I have 80
11:55 TheRedMoodWin Fps
11:55 CTMN And DEFAULT amount of hearts depends on the player
11:55 TheRedMoodWin That could cause
11:56 CTMN 80 FPS???
11:56 TheRedMoodWin yeah
11:56 TheRedMoodWin :)
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11:56 CTMN Are you tricking me?
11:56 TheRedMoodWin What do you mean could depend oin the player
11:56 TheRedMoodWin Want me to take a screen shot of it?
11:56 CTMN No
11:57 CTMN How many hearts u usually have depends if u eat apples to restore ur health
11:57 TheRedMoodWin http://prntscr.com/hjx44
11:57 TheRedMoodWin I mean when you are respawned
11:58 CTMN Ok I believe u
11:58 CTMN The thing is that every game has usually a framerate regulating code
11:58 TheRedMoodWin Yeah i know
11:58 TheRedMoodWin fps cap
11:58 TheRedMoodWin We used to do it back in cs source days
11:59 CTMN MT doesnt seem to have it
11:59 TheRedMoodWin until the found out and banned it in tournaments
11:59 TheRedMoodWin X3
11:59 TheRedMoodWin okey
12:01 CTMN At last it starts loading faster
12:02 CTMN why does ur screenshot only have a black screen int the MT window?
12:02 TheRedMoodWin okey /sethealth and /heal is done
12:03 TheRedMoodWin Because I am using something called lightshot
12:03 TheRedMoodWin To take the screenshots
12:03 TheRedMoodWin :)
12:03 CTMN k
12:03 TheRedMoodWin Wait
12:03 TheRedMoodWin Can't you see it?
12:03 TheRedMoodWin There are things on the screenshot
12:03 CTMN I can
12:03 CTMN I see the windows
12:04 CTMN Why r there dry shrubs spawning on grass?
12:04 CTMN its weird
12:04 TheRedMoodWin I don't know
12:04 TheRedMoodWin The game is in alpha
12:05 CTMN Its something with the server
12:06 CTMN Oh I actually see that the dry shrubs look like tomatoes
12:06 CTMN o.O
12:06 CTMN o.0
12:08 Basstard` Topatoes?
12:09 CTMN Cant u read?+
12:10 TheRedMoodWin Would you guys fancy a /execution command?
12:10 CTMN for what?
12:10 CTMN For executing a file?
12:10 TheRedMoodWin ops killing players on the server
12:11 TheRedMoodWin And it would announce it to the server
12:11 CTMN theres already /kill
12:11 TheRedMoodWin no=
12:11 TheRedMoodWin is it really?
12:11 CTMN U wanted to do it
12:11 TheRedMoodWin yeah
12:11 TheRedMoodWin That is for suecide
12:11 TheRedMoodWin For the player
12:11 CTMN oK
12:11 TheRedMoodWin This will be for killing a player
12:12 CTMN Yes, but another command name
12:12 Basstard` Why wouldn't /kill player work?
12:12 CTMN Because it only works for suiciding
12:12 TheRedMoodWin Because I would have to add diffrent permissions for that
12:13 TheRedMoodWin Well I could just do that i think
12:13 TheRedMoodWin There is an API hook for it...
12:13 TheRedMoodWin Yeah
12:13 TheRedMoodWin I could do that :D
12:14 TheRedMoodWin Thanks Basstard` :)
12:14 Basstard` Heh, didn't know I was being helpful. But you're welcome!
12:15 TheRedMoodWin yeah
12:15 TheRedMoodWin Any feedback I get is good
12:15 TheRedMoodWin I am making a plugin named redsand
12:15 TheRedMoodWin It is going to be a server utility toolset
12:15 TheRedMoodWin With things like /listplayers /msg /mail /heal
12:15 TheRedMoodWin And so on
12:16 TheRedMoodWin So I need to know what people need
12:16 CTMN A command to leave a PM would be nice
12:16 TheRedMoodWin Top on the list now are modifying the kill command like you suggested and making a /hurt command
12:16 TheRedMoodWin Yeah That is beaing made trough /mail
12:16 CTMN No im writing
12:17 TheRedMoodWin Ohh
12:17 CTMN After entering the msg, the server would wait till the player joins and only then writing it
12:17 TheRedMoodWin Basstard`: Another point in my mod is to keep it very configurable
12:17 TheRedMoodWin The  conf file is really heavly developed
12:17 TheRedMoodWin CTMN That is the point of the mail command o.o
12:18 CTMN Oh sry
12:18 CTMN But u didnt write what mail was for
12:18 CTMN Now u wrote it
12:18 TheRedMoodWin Yeah
12:18 TheRedMoodWin I know :)
12:19 CTMN God what did OldCoder do with the map?
12:19 TheRedMoodWin Don't know
12:19 OldCoder CTMN, ??
12:19 OldCoder What?
12:20 OldCoder <CTMN> God what did OldCoder do with the map?
12:20 CTMN OldCoder why did u copy the Mr Tux thing in the air
12:20 OldCoder What are you referring to?
12:20 OldCoder One statue? Is that the problem?
12:20 CTMN Yes
12:20 OldCoder Additionally, it isn't in the air
12:20 TheRedMoodWin X3
12:20 CTMN Almost
12:20 TheRedMoodWin Can i kick his face now?
12:20 TheRedMoodWin :D
12:20 CTMN Half
12:21 OldCoder TheRedMoodWin, No
12:21 TheRedMoodWin :(
12:21 OldCoder I have IRL issues to deal with. And I haven't slept yet. Good morning.
12:21 TheRedMoodWin Btw OldCoder, new commands are being made, and I am making the /kill command agmented.
12:21 OldCoder Live with the statue
12:21 CTMN Good morning
12:21 OldCoder TheRedMoodWin, hey
12:21 TheRedMoodWin Good day Oldcoder :D
12:21 * OldCoder will return later today
12:21 TheRedMoodWin Good bye OldCoder :D
12:21 CTMN TheRedMood pls stop making such joked
12:22 CTMN *jokes
12:22 TheRedMoodWin i diden't know he was going :o
12:22 TheRedMoodWin And i think you are sad person CTMN :o
12:22 CTMN Sad?
12:22 CTMN no
12:22 TheRedMoodWin You need to drink more milk and be more happy :D
12:22 CTMN Im happy that the server is online at all
12:23 CTMN And the good thing about the letters is that I now can find out if the builder of a special building is still playing
12:23 CTMN Because his building was hurt
12:23 CTMN *damaged
12:24 TheRedMoodWin How can you find that out?
12:24 CTMN He will repair it if hes still playing
12:24 TheRedMoodWin ohh
12:24 TheRedMoodWin Okey :)
12:24 CTMN Logic
12:25 CTMN The first thing that a good coder has to use
12:25 TheRedMoodWin Yepp
12:25 TheRedMoodWin Want to test me?
12:25 CTMN Or a good PC :P
12:25 CTMN How?
12:25 TheRedMoodWin Good PC is not a requirment
12:26 TheRedMoodWin some of the brightest minds in the PC world uses "low" end pces
12:26 TheRedMoodWin Low specs lead to cleaner code
12:26 CTMN Logic is a requirement for a good PC
12:26 CTMN I meant that
12:26 CTMN And ur right
12:27 CTMN Do u know who made the new water textures?
12:28 TheRedMoodWin I found the game a few days Ago
12:28 TheRedMoodWin I have no idea
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12:38 NekoGloop Meow.
12:38 TheRedMoodWin NEKO :D
12:38 NekoGloop No.
12:38 TheRedMoodWin :D
12:38 NekoGloop Go away.
12:38 TheRedMoodWin Ohh?
12:38 TheRedMoodWin Why :(
12:39 NekoGloop Because you are mean to me
12:39 TheRedMoodWin mean?
12:39 TheRedMoodWin How :o
12:39 TheRedMoodWin !
12:39 NekoGloop By telling me what i have to be.
12:39 NekoGloop Now go away
12:40 TheRedMoodWin I did not :o
12:41 TheRedMoodWin :(
12:41 TheRedMoodWin Now you are being mean
12:41 TheRedMoodWin Telling me what I have told you to be.
12:41 TheRedMoodWin !
12:42 NekoGloop You told me i needed to be a cat.
12:42 TheRedMoodWin No!
12:42 NekoGloop Now go away
12:42 TheRedMoodWin I did not
12:42 NekoGloop Yes you did
12:42 TheRedMoodWin I don't understand the consept of being a middle thing
12:42 TheRedMoodWin It doesn't click with my brain :s
12:42 NekoGloop Then dont try to
12:42 TheRedMoodWin Yes
12:43 NekoGloop And dont force me to be any one thing but what i want to be
12:43 NekoGloop Now shut up
12:43 TheRedMoodWin But seeing you as just a human was not fun
12:43 TheRedMoodWin Nope
12:43 TheRedMoodWin you are acusing me of doing something mean i did not do
12:43 NekoGloop p/art
12:43 NekoGloop Oops
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12:44 TheRedMoodWin you just missed neko
12:44 TheRedMoodWin He was mean against me :(
12:44 CTMN With what?
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13:54 NekoGloop shh
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14:03 * NekoGloop slaps Calinou around a bit with a large trout
14:04 * Calinou slaps NekoGloop around a bit using a large shotgun
14:04 NekoGloop XD
14:04 NekoGloop nice
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14:40 RealBadAngel hi all
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14:42 grondilu What would you think of wireworld instead of red stone?
14:46 RealBadAngel ?
14:47 RealBadAngel wrong chanel?
14:47 RealBadAngel theres no redstone in minetest
14:49 RealBadAngel but if u r talkin bout MC, redpower is the best
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14:53 RealBadAngel hi jordach
14:53 Jordach hello RealBadAngel
14:54 RealBadAngel seen new battery box?
14:54 Jordach nope.
14:54 RealBadAngel so go and check it out
14:55 RealBadAngel ive made it a bit nicer i think :)
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14:58 * Jordach is sleepy
14:58 Jordach wait wait wait wait wait.... sfan5, when did VanessaE get op?
14:59 Jordach (or was it chanserv)
14:59 sfan5 yesterday
14:59 Jordach ah
15:02 * Jordach waits for MC 1.4
15:10 grondilu RealBadAngel: but isn't there any plan to implement something equivalent to redstone in minetest?
15:10 RealBadAngel grondilu, why a plan. seen mesecons?
15:11 * grondilu googles that
15:12 RealBadAngel mesecons.tk
15:12 RealBadAngel http://mesecons.tk/
15:15 grondilu ok.  I guess I need to learn a bit about mods ;)
15:18 RealBadAngel youre guessin right
15:20 RealBadAngel when on minetest.net please visit forums
15:20 RealBadAngel and mods section
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15:24 * grondilu will do that
15:25 Lumpio- mese 8dD
15:26 Vohveli 8)
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15:37 Jordach PilzAdam should make a mesecons clone that is actually fast
15:38 PilzAdam http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=47947 <- there is a bit of truth in it
15:38 PilzAdam Jordach, i already did, but it was not good
15:38 Jordach PilzAdam, try. try...and try again
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15:53 PilzAdam Jordach, can you create textures for them? the drawtype will be raillike
15:54 Jordach perhaps, yes
15:54 Jordach what colour?
15:54 PilzAdam dunno
15:54 Jordach copper from moreores?
15:55 Jordach (or am i over using since technic)
15:55 PilzAdam i dont what dependencies
15:55 Jordach so coal?
15:55 * Jordach assumes mese yellow
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15:58 PilzAdam Jordach, i also need a raillike inverter
15:58 Jordach right
15:59 Jordach use a <-> arrow system?
15:59 PilzAdam dunno
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16:04 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/77ySO.png
16:05 PilzAdam yep
16:05 Jordach (its not hard to make no power vers.
16:05 Jordach )
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16:05 Jordach i think pilzpower sounds good
16:06 PilzAdam mesecons++
16:06 Lumpio- mese 8)
16:12 Jordach PilzAdam, any other items youd LOVE to mention?
16:13 PilzAdam let me first do the code
16:13 Jordach alright
16:14 Jordach http://ompldr.org/vZndtMQ/pilzadam-mesecons.zip
16:14 Jordach textures
16:14 Jordach (file names can be changed)
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16:14 PilzAdam <Jordach> (file names can be changed) <- realy? how did you do that?!?!
16:14 thexyz 1. The community largely doesn't submit C++ code.
16:15 thexyz because nobody will accept it
16:15 Jordach thexyz, ask c55he fucked this project up the ass with no optimisation
16:15 thexyz oh fuck, that may be considered as trolling
16:16 Jordach tell me, if he is too lazy to do something, something forked from it will come around
16:16 Jordach and be better than the original
16:16 NakedFury the problem is that this new fork would neeed enough support from us to work
16:17 Jordach see jachoo's fork
16:17 Jordach it died
16:18 Jordach sfan5, done mind me saying this...but, BLOCKPLANET actually did things, but died becauise nothing new got done...
16:18 Jordach WE NEED kahrl
16:18 NakedFury blockplanet did things but died because they wanted to switch to java then make another game
16:19 hmmmm ahhg!
16:19 thexyz Jordach: why don't you optimise it then?
16:19 hmmmm i'm setting up the github account now
16:19 hmmmm don't get too upset
16:20 Jordach ^ thank you
16:20 Jordach thexyz, c55 wont ever accept any code but his
16:20 Jordach and then, re does it and says you did nothing
16:20 thexyz hmmmm: i think you should also cooperate with yunfan
16:20 hmmmm never heard of him
16:21 thexyz hmmmm: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-delta/2012-10-16#i_2568962
16:21 thexyz (actually, me too)
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16:22 hmmmm it uses sqlite because storing the data in a binary file format was slower
16:22 hmmmm but i highly suspect that they were doing it wrong at the time
16:23 hmmmm because that defies lots of logic
16:24 sfan5 hmmmm: we need a single file that is small and fast to read
16:24 hmmmm well, yeah....
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16:26 NakedFury vanessa did a small but usefull patch to the source
16:26 Jordach wait, i think wokste from the forums had something...
16:26 * Jordach looks for it#
16:27 Jordach http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3005
16:27 thexyz http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3410
16:27 Jordach http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=44395#p44395
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16:33 hmmmm crap
16:33 thexyz um?
16:33 hmmmm looks like some guy from poland already took my username
16:34 Jordach hmmmm, hmm, what to do?
16:34 hmmmm use 'hmmmmm'?
16:34 hmmmm i don't want to do that, though
16:34 hmmmm i will eventually be dumping my personal stuff on here and it needs to be professional
16:34 * Jordach dissapeards
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17:00 thexyz hmmmm: so..?
17:00 NakedFury fuck. the server keeps rolling back all I do
17:01 thexyz NakedFury: what server?
17:01 NakedFury oldcoders minetest.org 30000
17:01 NakedFury its weird
17:01 NakedFury those it in patches. not always the most recent thing
17:02 NakedFury and it doesnt give back the materials
17:02 thexyz <ad>http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2084</ad>
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17:04 hmmmm thexyz, i'm doing other stuff at the moment
17:04 hmmmm is that the server you said can only handle 60-70 players?
17:05 thexyz yep, vanilla minetest without fire mod was tested
17:05 thexyz although the server itself is pretty fast
17:07 hmmmm that's really sad
17:07 hmmmm and disk io seems to be the bottleneck you said?
17:07 thexyz i didn't
17:07 thexyz that's yunfan's thought
17:07 thexyz it seems
17:08 thexyz could moving to mysql help to reduce disk io?
17:09 hmmmm yikes, mysql is pretty heavyweight
17:09 hmmmm but if it is the map saving/loading that's the bottleneck, then doing the map format the right way would solve the problem
17:09 thexyz even compared to sqlite?
17:09 hmmmm i personally don't like how sql is being used for something that's way better as a binary format
17:09 hmmmm of course
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17:11 Jordach cant we use the old sectors format found in 0.2
17:12 thexyz isn't it even worse?
17:16 Jordach it may be an old map format, but it actually ran fine
17:16 Jordach (c55 did it because he knew it would becom worse)
17:16 thexyz isn't key-value storage enough?
17:17 thexyz it seems we only need to access block by its position
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17:21 thexyz well, even map<int, data> should be enough
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17:25 thexyz could that be implemented as different backends?
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17:32 PilzAdam Jordach, i get many stack overflows with PilzPower :(
17:33 Jordach oh
17:33 Jordach base it from a abm
17:33 PilzAdam that is why mesecons is slow
17:33 PilzAdam and you wanted fast mesecons
17:35 Jordach hm, could you github it
17:36 Jordach see if it works fine on my pc
17:36 Jordach (since windows might work compared to linux)
17:36 Jordach ....for once
17:36 PilzAdam i dont think so
17:36 PilzAdam http://ompldr.org/vZndubw/pilzpower.zip
17:36 PilzAdam ^ try it
17:37 PilzAdam (the debug block has "unknown block" textures; it gives the signal on)
17:37 PilzAdam dont build circuits
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17:47 NakedFury I have a question. Im trying to make a new bucket that can only take water. I tried a simple copy paste of the bucket code with new names and textures. I didnt work. it just made the default bucket switch to mine when it was used. for the new bucket to work would I need to edit more of the code, possibly rename some variables so they are only called by my wood bucket?
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17:58 thexyz NakedFury: pastebin your code
17:58 NakedFury http://pastebin.com/MWYj4EWn
17:59 NakedFury like I said a copy paste with name changes
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18:01 thexyz you should also replace `bucket` with something
18:01 thexyz like, you have bucket = {} bucket.liquids = {}, but you should have alternative = {} alternative.liquids = {}, etc..
18:03 cosarara971 asdf
18:03 cosarara971 huh, I'm cosarara971
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18:04 cosarara97 :)
18:08 khonkhortisan aoeu
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18:15 khonkhortisan hi bye Jeija
18:23 PilzAdam bye
18:24 khonkhortisan that was odd, I had to make a new local branch to pull my remote one.
18:27 anunakki man the houses i've built on europe map
18:27 anunakki are hawt
18:28 TheRedMoodWin khonkhortisan what are you making?
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18:29 khonkhortisan right now I'm removing some of the creative inventory and renaming the descriptions in the chess mod
18:34 khonkhortisan Uberi is online more often than bas080
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18:43 NakedFury ok so changed the lines to another name but now I get an error on line 9(which is where the bucket = {} was: attempt to concatenate a nil value.  stack traceback:   ...box-win32\bin\..\mods\minetest\alternatives\init.lua:9: in main chunk
18:43 NakedFury http://pastebin.com/A4MZbfzQ
18:44 thexyz um? 9th line is "        }"
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18:44 khonkhortisan yeah, ending the recipe.
18:44 NakedFury no sorry
18:45 thexyz not "bucket = {
18:45 NakedFury line 9 is the first line in the pastebin
18:45 khonkhortisan then add empty lines to it
18:45 NakedFury sorry
18:46 NakedFury the first few lines I just add general info like mod name, made by blahblah with help from blah. license and date of last edit
18:46 NakedFury in comments
18:46 thexyz that's because you use altwood and altw
18:46 thexyz and you should use only one of them
18:46 thexyz (well, not should, but that'd be easier)
18:47 thexyz so, altwood = {} altwood.liquids = {}, ...
18:47 khonkhortisan I don't have to put the date in, git takes care of that.
18:48 NakedFury ok so it would be easier to just change the buckets.liquids to something and leave the bucket = {} alone?
18:49 thexyz no, no, you should also replace bucket = {} with altwood = {}
18:49 thexyz change every `bucket` occurence to `altwood`
18:49 thexyz or whatever
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18:50 khonkhortisan There should be a smaller bucket that only uses _flowing
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18:50 khonkhortisan ^ would create a useless item
18:59 NakedFury im trying to find what ~= means but they are just mentioned and not defined in manuals where I look.
19:01 VanessaE "not equals"
19:01 cosarara97 ~= means not equal, doesn't it
19:01 * VanessaE fades back out
19:02 * cosarara97 wonders what is the exact meaning of "to fade back out"
19:02 khonkhortisan at my font size ~= looks like -=
19:03 khonkhortisan but the first one is a longer dash
19:03 cosarara97 change font size :)
19:03 NakedFury thanks. google sucks. I am being very specific in my search: what does ~= mean in coding(tried in lua) and yet it looks for: what does this code mean? what does coding mean? what does % mean in c/c++? what does code mean at the hospital?
19:03 khonkhortisan 6 -> 7
19:03 khonkhortisan now everything looks tall
19:04 cosarara97 khonkhortisan: what font are you using?
19:04 khonkhortisan "A ~= B" == "not( A == B)"
19:04 khonkhortisan monospace 7 now
19:04 cosarara97 NakedFury: Google doesn't understand questions, you must use keywords
19:04 khonkhortisan monospace 6 is only shorter, not narrower
19:04 cosarara97 also, afaik, it doesn't understand the ~ symbol either
19:05 VanessaE 7?  shit I can't read smaller than 12 or 13 pt
19:05 NakedFury ohh that explains much cosarara
19:05 khonkhortisan I'm nearsighted :)
19:06 Jordach i can read 8pt at 4 foot + on my screen
19:06 NakedFury mine is Monospace size 9
19:06 Jordach (in fact the irc is 8pt arial)
19:08 * Jordach wonders what the outside world is like
19:09 NakedFury boring and dirty
19:09 * cosarara97 found he uses 11 pt sans serif
19:12 cosarara97 the outside world is big
19:12 cosarara97 but boring
19:13 VanessaE the big blue room?  looks nice to me :-)
19:13 VanessaE damn overhead light is too bright though.
19:15 Jordach VanessaE, your textures look nice under mc
19:15 khonkhortisan you need monospace to read irc ascii art
19:16 cosarara97 I like monospace
19:16 Jordach (but not nice enough ;) )
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19:16 VanessaE of course they do - that's because *I* created them :-)
19:17 cosarara97 Useless mod idea: The ASCII mod
19:17 cosarara97 "write" ascii art inside minetest :D
19:19 khonkhortisan QR codes work just fine without a mod
19:19 VanessaE there are already a couple of "text" mods
19:19 VanessaE they add just regular letters/numbers though
19:19 cosarara97 really? Didn't know
19:19 VanessaE add more and you've got ASCII art. :-)
19:20 cosarara97 btw, forum's mysql server is down
19:21 khonkhortisan there should be a character node that has only one craft, where it changes textures based on its formspec. That would be better than having to craft every letter.
19:21 Jordach VanessaE, link me to your 64px pack
19:21 cosarara97 formspec?
19:21 khonkhortisan the right-click menu.
19:21 * Jordach warms Google Chrome's tyres
19:21 khonkhortisan formspec is what it's called in the code
19:21 * cosarara97 uses firefox
19:22 * khonkhortisan uses firefox addons
19:22 VanessaE Jordach: https://github.com/VanessaE/64px-realistic-textures
19:22 VanessaE forums are down btw
19:22 khonkhortisan it wasn't me!
19:22 cosarara97 cosarara97: btw, forum's mysql server is down
19:22 cosarara97 I just said it
19:22 VanessaE haha
19:22 VanessaE I missed that :-)
19:22 * Jordach says no fuckin' shit :(
19:22 cosarara97 ?
19:22 Jordach )*
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19:24 VanessaE I think I killed the mysql server this time :-/
19:24 VanessaE (deleting some duplicate messages)
19:24 cosarara97 lol
19:25 cosarara97 bug in BBS or you did something wrong?
19:26 VanessaE I'm kidding :-)
19:27 cosarara97 oh
19:27 VanessaE I mean the server crashed while I was deleting a duplicate message via the forum UI like usual
19:27 * cosarara97 believes almost everything
19:30 * Jordach does not believe everything on the internet
19:30 TheRedMoodWin VanessaE
19:30 VanessaE hm?
19:30 TheRedMoodWin You probebly crashed it, miss.
19:30 * cosarara97 neither
19:30 VanessaE :P
19:30 TheRedMoodWin I would recommend restarting it, and making sure that all the messages from the fail are stored
19:31 TheRedMoodWin What framework is the forums runned on?
19:31 VanessaE that's up to c55
19:31 VanessaE PunBB, but I dunno where the server it
19:31 VanessaE is
19:31 TheRedMoodWin X3
19:31 TheRedMoodWin And VanessaE can we take that talk now?
19:31 khonkhortisan oh THAT error.
19:31 TheRedMoodWin She is out of the house now
19:31 TheRedMoodWin :D
19:31 cosarara97 WHAT error?
19:32 TheRedMoodWin THAT error :o
19:32 khonkhortisan the page worked fine if I didn't press any buttons
19:32 VanessaE TheRedMoodWin: actually I don't have time for a long chat right now
19:32 VanessaE abe and I are doing some homework regarding our pending move
19:32 TheRedMoodWin Abe?
19:32 TheRedMoodWin :o
19:33 TheRedMoodWin The fine sir that captured your heart?
19:33 VanessaE my husbadn
19:33 VanessaE husband*
19:33 TheRedMoodWin Ohh i see.
19:33 cosarara97 heh
19:33 Jordach VanessaE
19:33 VanessaE hm?
19:34 * Jordach notes your 64px pack looks SUSPICIOUSLY like Misas pack
19:34 VanessaE Jordach: it looks similar yeah - remember misa's was a model for the 512px pack.  the 64 pack is derived from the 512px one, so it'll look similar.
19:34 VanessaE but most definitely *not* the same
19:36 TheRedMoodWin VanessaE, But there are no girly tips`?
19:36 cosarara97 what are girly tips?
19:36 VanessaE eh?
19:37 TheRedMoodWin I am trying to find a gift for my girlfriend
19:37 * Jordach falls into the same problem
19:37 VanessaE oh yes - I wasn't sure if you meant that or something else
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19:38 Jordach VanessaE, wait.
19:38 Jordach dont +b just yet
19:38 TheRedMoodWin :o
19:38 cosarara97 +b?
19:38 TheRedMoodWin What is +b?
19:38 TheRedMoodWin X3e
19:38 LandMineMT lol
19:38 LandMineMT she gave up i think
19:38 Jordach mode +b = ban
19:38 LandMineMT she cant b me
19:38 LandMineMT what do you want?
19:38 TheRedMoodWin O_O
19:38 VanessaE TheRedMoodWin: LandMineMT has the IP of a known griefer
19:38 MiJyn hi LandMineMT!
19:38 Jordach LandMineMT, state your business
19:38 LandMineMT hi
19:38 TheRedMoodWin Does that mean I need to hug him?
19:39 TheRedMoodWin O_O
19:39 TheRedMoodWin Wait a seceound......
19:39 TheRedMoodWin He
19:39 TheRedMoodWin Is a greifer?
19:39 TheRedMoodWin :D
19:39 TheRedMoodWin O_O
19:39 LandMineMT was kicked by VanessaE: LandMineMT
19:39 TheRedMoodWin WAIT WAIT WAIT!
19:39 VanessaE bye bye.
19:39 cosarara97 lol
19:39 TheRedMoodWin :o
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19:39 VanessaE oops
19:39 TheRedMoodWin I wanted to say goodby to him :(
19:40 VanessaE there, got the syntax wrong the first time.
19:40 Jordach VanessaE, <Jordach> VanessaE, wait.
19:40 TheRedMoodWin :(
19:40 cosarara97 :(
19:40 VanessaE [10-16 15:38] <LandMineMT> she gave up i think
19:40 VanessaE [10-16 15:38] <LandMineMT> she cant b me
19:40 VanessaE that
19:40 VanessaE that's all I needed.
19:40 cosarara97 ok
19:40 Jordach nope.
19:41 TheRedMoodWin But we never got to say goodby to him ; ~ ;
19:41 TheRedMoodWin What if he feels unvanted?
19:41 VanessaE he IS unwanted.
19:41 TheRedMoodWin unwanted*
19:41 TheRedMoodWin Ohh
19:41 TheRedMoodWin So we want him to feel unwanted?
19:42 cosarara97 yes
19:42 cosarara97 heh
19:42 TheRedMoodWin Ohhh!
19:42 TheRedMoodWin Sorry
19:42 NakedFury cockroach
19:42 TheRedMoodWin X3
19:42 VanessaE TheRedMoodWin: he trolls, griefs, claims to be unbannable, harasses people.
19:42 NakedFury he is a cockroach and should be ignore
19:42 cosarara97 If we don't want him, we won't make him feel wanted, right?
19:42 NakedFury yet you people keep talking to him
19:43 cosarara97 because feeding the trolls can be fun
19:43 cosarara97 sometimes
19:44 TheRedMoodWin But VanessaE can you give me some tips in the private msg?
19:44 VanessaE wish I could but really I just don't know
19:44 cosarara97 TheRedMoodWin: I'd google it :)
19:45 TheRedMoodWin :(
19:45 OldCoder Back
19:45 VanessaE I mean, I'd suggest things like a nice dress or something
19:45 Jordach hello OldCoder our "old" friend popped in
19:45 Jordach ;)
19:45 OldCoder Jordach, hi
19:45 VanessaE but when I was that age, I just didn't have that much experience with relationships - I was a loner then
19:46 cosarara97 huh, that guy used to be friend of yours?
19:46 VanessaE that was 23 years ago for me, so I can only really speak from an adult's perspective now :-)
19:46 TheRedMoodWin VanessaE :( I can tell you that fine dress is nothing she would fancy
19:46 * cosarara97 has no relationships
19:46 TheRedMoodWin Well you are still a child
19:46 VanessaE me?  38 is hardly a child :-)
19:46 NakedFury TheRedMoodWin: if there is something movies or books can teach us is that the gift must come from the heart.
19:47 TheRedMoodWin VanessaE, it is mental :)
19:47 TheRedMoodWin VanessaE An adult doesn'
19:47 TheRedMoodWin VanessaE an adult doesn't take things like these seriously
19:47 VanessaE you'd be surprised, TheRedMoodWin.
19:47 TheRedMoodWin No
19:47 TheRedMoodWin I would not.
19:48 TheRedMoodWin You care in the way that children and people witha good young spirit does
19:48 VanessaE some of us have child-like minds at times :-)
19:49 TheRedMoodWin And that is very good
19:49 TheRedMoodWin :)
19:50 TheRedMoodWin The day I give up is the day that I can no longer say that I am child in the mind
19:50 TheRedMoodWin Hmm
19:50 cosarara97 children give up, sometimes
19:50 cosarara97 on flying, for example :)
19:51 TheRedMoodWin No
19:51 TheRedMoodWin No child ever give up the thought of flying
19:51 TheRedMoodWin I never have :)
19:52 TheRedMoodWin VanessaE Common, there have to be a jack of all trades
19:52 cosarara97 Then I grew up way too young
19:52 * VanessaE shrugs
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19:54 * TheRedMoodWin looks at VanessaE like a little child wanting THAT red ball in the store
19:54 TheRedMoodWin :D
19:55 khonkhortisan I wanted THAT bike in the store. Even though it was some assembly required, I got the built one.
19:55 MiJyn * VanessaE sets ban on *!*@189.144.168 * VanessaE has kicked LandMineMT from #minetest (LandMineMT)
19:55 MiJyn What did he do?
19:55 MiJyn He _was_ a grief
19:55 MiJyn *griefer
19:55 MiJyn doesn't mean he still is
19:55 MiJyn you just don't forgive people
19:55 MiJyn you don't give people a second chance
19:55 khonkhortisan LandMineMT> lol
19:55 khonkhortisan 12:39|<LandMineMT> she gave up i think
19:55 khonkhortisan 12:39|<LandMineMT> she cant b me
19:55 cosarara97 that
19:55 khonkhortisan something about that
19:56 TheRedMoodWin HEY!
19:56 khonkhortisan HELLO!
19:56 cosarara97 And well, it's just the internet - he could always get a new nickname and be a good person
19:57 TheRedMoodWin MiJyn Was that a bad word against, Mrs
19:57 TheRedMoodWin ?
19:57 TheRedMoodWin D:<
19:57 VanessaE MiJyn: when someone claims to be unbannable, that's an invite to ban.
19:57 cosarara97 it is
19:57 VanessaE especially if they've made that claim multiple times.
19:57 TheRedMoodWin okey cosarara97 lets beath him
19:57 TheRedMoodWin beat*
19:58 cosarara97 I didn't say that
19:58 cosarara97 I just understand the point of view
19:58 TheRedMoodWin No
19:58 TheRedMoodWin Lets beat MiJyn
19:58 cosarara97 oj
19:58 cosarara97 oh
19:58 cosarara97 lol
19:58 cosarara97 no
19:59 * cosarara97 doesn't like beating people
19:59 TheRedMoodWin cosarara97 you can hold him
19:59 TheRedMoodWin And i can tickle him :D
19:59 TheRedMoodWin Until he..
19:59 TheRedMoodWin DIES :D
19:59 cosarara97 oh, well then.... wait, no!
19:59 TheRedMoodWin Ohh
19:59 TheRedMoodWin ?
19:59 * TheRedMoodWin hugs cosarara97
19:59 TheRedMoodWin :D
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20:00 * cosarara97 escapes from TheRedMoodWin
20:00 * cosarara97 runs away
20:00 TheRedMoodWin :o
20:00 TheRedMoodWin *sniff*
20:00 TheRedMoodWin *sniff*
20:00 TheRedMoodWin :(
20:01 Jordach weird
20:01 Jordach MiJyn only appears where landmine is to be found
20:01 * cosarara97 tells TheRedMoodWin to hug somebody else
20:01 * Jordach scratches chin
20:01 Jordach night all
20:01 TheRedMoodWin *sniff*
20:01 TheRedMoodWin Jordach
20:01 TheRedMoodWin Are you my friend :o
20:01 Jordach VanessaE, done about 40% of the terrain; also: texture farming mod
20:02 VanessaE some day I'll add it.
20:02 Jordach TheRedMoodWin, go ahead
20:02 iqualfragile gn8
20:02 VanessaE but that needs lots of new imagery that I'm too lazy to look for :-)
20:02 * TheRedMoodWin hugs Jordach
20:02 Jordach VanessaE, alright, but your mc pack wont get more done
20:02 TheRedMoodWin :D
20:02 Jordach ;)
20:02 Jordach night all
20:02 * TheRedMoodWin lets go of Jordach
20:02 TheRedMoodWin GOOD NIGHT :D
20:02 TheRedMoodWin :(
20:02 cosarara97 too late
20:02 * TheRedMoodWin picks cosarara97 up from the ground with one hand
20:03 TheRedMoodWin Shut it, meanie :(
20:03 cosarara97 ?
20:03 TheRedMoodWin You are mean
20:03 TheRedMoodWin :(
20:03 cosarara97 I'm not
20:04 cosarara97 Why do you think I am?
20:04 cosarara97 Why would I have to let me hug you?
20:04 cosarara97 lol
20:04 cosarara97 wrong sentence
20:04 cosarara97 let you hug me*
20:04 TheRedMoodWin Because you ran away :(
20:05 TheRedMoodWin YOu never even tried to say no.
20:05 TheRedMoodWin You just ran away :(
20:05 TheRedMoodWin http://cython.org/index.html
20:05 TheRedMoodWin My new project after redsand
20:06 TheRedMoodWin Trying to implement a python interface for minetest :D
20:06 cosarara97 good
20:06 cosarara97 I'd like that
20:06 * cosarara97 likes python
20:07 cosarara97 but that link you gave isn't what you are looking for, I think
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20:09 MiJyn <khonkhortisan> LandMineMT> lol
20:09 MiJyn <khonkhortisan> 12:39|<LandMineMT> she gave up i think
20:09 MiJyn <khonkhortisan> 12:39|<LandMineMT> she cant b me
20:09 MiJyn and?
20:10 MiJyn <VanessaE> MiJyn: when someone claims to be unbannable, that's an invite to ban.
20:10 MiJyn Wrong
20:10 cosarara97 This is the wild west
20:10 MiJyn It's an invite to giving a person a second chance
20:10 cosarara97 It isn't ¬¬
20:10 MiJyn because it usually means that that person is just out
20:10 cosarara97 out?
20:11 MiJyn <TheRedMoodWin> okey cosarara97 lets beath him
20:11 MiJyn <TheRedMoodWin> beat*
20:11 MiJyn <cosarara97> I didn't say that
20:11 MiJyn <cosarara97> I just understand the point of view
20:11 MiJyn <TheRedMoodWin> No
20:11 MiJyn <TheRedMoodWin> Lets beat MiJyn
20:11 MiJyn ??
20:12 MiJyn <Jordach> weird
20:12 MiJyn <Jordach> MiJyn only appears where landmine is to be found
20:12 cosarara97 heh
20:12 MiJyn Yep!
20:12 cosarara97 oh?
20:12 JangoFett154 joined #minetest
20:12 JangoFett154 hey guys
20:12 cosarara97 hi
20:12 MiJyn he was probably just trying to get some... (dang, I forgot the word) back
20:13 cosarara97 remember the word
20:13 cosarara97 :)
20:13 Muadtralk anyone have an inkling why minetest gives a std::bad_alloc when a new user joined?
20:13 MiJyn respect
20:13 MiJyn that was the word
20:13 MiJyn I think
20:14 JangoFett154 hey oldcoder you here?
20:14 jordach_tablet joined #minetest
20:14 jordach_tablet hey huygs
20:14 jordach_tablet guys
20:14 OldCoder JangoFett154, yes
20:14 JangoFett154 hi
20:15 * jordach_tablet pokes VanessaE with a iPad2
20:16 * Muadtralk stabs a hippy with an envelope
20:16 cosarara97 lol what?
20:17 Muadtralk just felt i had to put something to counter the word ipad being brought up
20:17 iqualfragile i just wanted to do the same, then i read your answer
20:17 NakedFury OldCoder: there is something wrong in world 30000. every few minutes all work done gets rolled back, like a reset without returning materials.
20:18 skully_ joined #minetest
20:18 jordach_tablet muadtralk, y u change nick from Sdzen?
20:18 OldCoder NakedFury, I'll check in a few minutes
20:18 skully_ colcoder
20:18 sdzen better?
20:18 skully_ oldcoder
20:19 jordach_tablet i never Minded :-)
20:19 * cosarara97 never changed his nickname
20:20 OldCoder skully_, Hi
20:25 TheRedMoodWin tWgy not?
20:25 * TheRedMoodWin puts down cosarara97
20:26 TheRedMoodWin cosarara97 whats wrong with the link i gaave you?
20:26 * cosarara97 doesn't know what putting down someone mean
20:26 TheRedMoodWin I had you in the air with my arm all this time
20:26 TheRedMoodWin So i lower you to the ground now :)
20:26 cosarara97 oh, thanks
20:27 TheRedMoodWin Because we are friends again
20:27 TheRedMoodWin I am not one for being long sadness :D
20:28 cosarara97 well, I'm not sure if I understood it well, but I think that was about writing functions in C for python programs
20:28 TheRedMoodWin Ohh
20:28 TheRedMoodWin Yes it is
20:29 TheRedMoodWin But it is also for implementing the python into C
20:30 cosarara97 Well, you shouldn't have been sad in the first place, because you left me alone yesterday
20:30 TheRedMoodWin I Did i?
20:30 TheRedMoodWin OHh!
20:30 TheRedMoodWin WAIT
20:30 TheRedMoodWin WAIT WAIT WAIT!
20:30 cosarara97 I'm waiting
20:30 TheRedMoodWin YOU CAN'T HOLD THAT AGAINST ME!
20:30 cosarara97 I can't?
20:30 TheRedMoodWin NO!
20:30 TheRedMoodWin My little sister was crying, sir/miss
20:30 cosarara97 oh
20:31 cosarara97 sir
20:31 cosarara97 didn't know
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20:32 TheRedMoodWin it is okey :)
20:35 TheRedMoodWin But I think it is fair game to put little sister before this
20:35 cosarara97 I agree
20:36 TheRedMoodWin Okey
20:36 TheRedMoodWin Thanks
20:37 JangoFett154 FORUM IS DOWN :/
20:37 JangoFett154 sorry for caps
20:37 cosarara97 It's been down for a while
20:38 cosarara97 VanessaE's fault (not true)
20:38 MiJyn would think it is lol
20:38 MiJyn :P
20:39 VanessaE :P
20:45 NakedFury ugh forgot about the forum for a sec. just when you need it most
20:46 cosarara97 You have us here :)
20:46 khonkhortisan and github is up
20:46 khonkhortisan and minetest servers
20:48 NakedFury I just wanted to browse the mods to see if any of them add new water holding devices and study the code
20:48 khonkhortisan pipeworks would
20:48 cosarara97 water holding devices? like the bucket?
20:49 NakedFury yes
20:49 khonkhortisan or like a pressure washer
20:49 cosarara97 what do you want to do?
20:49 NakedFury all changes I try to make dont work, so Ill look for another bucket code and study the process
20:49 cosarara97 the original bucket code is easy
20:50 NakedFury yes but changing it keeps giving same error
20:50 cosarara97 what error?
20:50 NakedFury attempt to concatenate nil value
20:50 cosarara97 oh, that's easy
20:51 cosarara97 you are trying to do something like "a"..nil
20:51 cosarara97 but nil is a variable
20:51 cosarara97 you don't know it's nil
20:51 NakedFury im changing the lines bucket = {} and bucket.liquids = {} to altwood and altw.liquids.
20:51 cosarara97 and "a" is likely to be a variable as well
20:51 cosarara97 ah
20:52 cosarara97 then you must change everywhere where it says "bucket."
20:52 cosarara97 and write altw there
20:52 NakedFury the code is the same. just renaming bucket name and description and those two rename all over
20:53 cosarara97 Well, it should tell you the line where the error was produced
20:53 NakedFury altwood = {}
20:53 cosarara97 there?
20:53 TheRedMoodWin NakedFury
20:53 TheRedMoodWin Can you please pastebin it ?
20:53 cosarara97 yeah, it'll be better
20:53 NakedFury getting the stuff
20:54 TheRedMoodWin I am kinda good at making test statments
20:54 TheRedMoodWin Or I should say that I am paranoid
20:54 TheRedMoodWin x3
20:54 NakedFury http://pastebin.com/kE2ExtaK   code next error: http://pastebin.com/1B11Bv7C
20:54 TheRedMoodWin I make tests for even values that if my code works never can be null
20:55 TheRedMoodWin if itemname ~= nil then
20:55 TheRedMoodWin Whhy the ~?
20:55 NakedFury dont ask me
20:55 cosarara97 heh
20:55 NakedFury I didnt touch the code
20:55 cosarara97 easy
20:55 NakedFury just renamed the necessary stuff
20:55 cosarara97 altwood
20:55 cosarara97 altw.liquids
20:55 cosarara97 what is altw?
20:55 cosarara97 :)
20:55 cosarara97 lua doesn't know
20:55 NakedFury it has to be altwood too?
20:56 cosarara97 yes
20:56 NakedFury before it was bucket and bucket.liquids
20:56 cosarara97 or there has to be an altw = {}
20:56 NakedFury ok fixing
20:56 TheRedMoodWin cosarara97 how did i not see that?
20:56 cosarara97 bucket and bucket, altw and altwood
20:56 TheRedMoodWin I am really bad at lua x3
20:56 TheRedMoodWin X3
20:56 NakedFury dammit so simple
20:56 TheRedMoodWin And i am sleepy
20:56 TheRedMoodWin And bad
20:57 TheRedMoodWin At everything :(
20:57 khonkhortisan "altwood = {}   altwood.liquids = {}" is the same as "altwood = { liquids = {} }"
20:57 TheRedMoodWin I am going to go to bed now :(
20:57 cosarara97 ok
20:57 TheRedMoodWin Without no one to cheer me up :(
20:57 khonkhortisan I didn't see it either
20:57 khonkhortisan hooray! life is great!
20:57 cosarara97 cheer someone up?
20:58 TheRedMoodWin Thank khonkhortisan :D
20:58 TheRedMoodWin Now i am not sad anymore :D
20:58 cosarara97 lol
20:58 * TheRedMoodWin is a simple minded person
20:58 cosarara97 You shouldn't feel stupid for not seeing a bug
20:58 cosarara97 It happens to everybody
20:58 khonkhortisan that's how bugs are made
20:59 cosarara97 maybe all programmers are a bit stupid :)
20:59 khonkhortisan the computer is too logical
20:59 cosarara97 is it?
20:59 TheRedMoodWin no
20:59 TheRedMoodWin You guys are not
21:00 cosarara97 you aren't either
21:00 TheRedMoodWin allowed to have such convos while I am gone
21:00 cosarara97 convos?
21:01 cosarara97 Well, I'm going to bed
21:01 cosarara97 bye
21:03 khonkhortisan it's only 2 PM
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21:15 cosarara97 One day people will learn about time zones (Barcelona) - really going to bed now
21:19 iqualfragile gn8
21:21 JangoFett154 joined #minetest
21:27 khonkhortisan I forget that time zones go a full 24 hours
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21:56 RealBadAngel hi
21:57 khonkhortisan hello
21:57 RealBadAngel anybody knows why forums is down?
21:58 MiJyn hi
21:58 khonkhortisan something with mysql
21:58 VanessaE it's my fault - I acted like a proper moderator and deleted a couple of duplicate posts :-)
21:58 VanessaE that's the only thing I can think of
21:58 RealBadAngel lol
21:59 VanessaE seriously though I have no idea wtf is wrong, but I always seem to go through withdrawal every time the forums go down :-S
22:00 khonkhortisan What does "failed to emerge player" actually mean? Is the server ahead of the client?
22:00 RealBadAngel are you sure you have pressed "delete post" not the "nuke the damn thing" button? ;)
22:00 VanessaE lol
22:00 khonkhortisan I'd go through withdrawal if github was down
22:00 khonkhortisan I don't use the forum much
22:01 khonkhortisan "git merge" is the nuke button
22:02 RealBadAngel khonkhortisan, i quess its bout lags
22:02 RealBadAngel *g
22:04 khonkhortisan ?
22:10 RealBadAngel anybody knows how the perlin generator works?
22:10 VanessaE if you ask hmmmm, the answer might be "very slowly". :-)
22:10 RealBadAngel hehehe
22:11 VanessaE (he's been investigating the efficacy of the perlin code)
22:11 RealBadAngel ive used generate_ore to get marble
22:12 RealBadAngel but its somehow laggy
22:13 RealBadAngel and i have it everywhere, maybe with perlin i could reduce the amount to certain areas only
22:14 OldCoder Hi
22:14 NakedFury if we had biomes you could tell marble to generate on areas of a specific biome
22:14 OldCoder Somebody had a problem at 30000 ?
22:14 OldCoder Reviewing
22:15 hmmmm generate_ore does not use perlin noise, only PseudoRandom (plain LCG)
22:15 hmmmm register_on_generated uses perlin noise for papayrus and cacti though
22:16 VanessaE hah, speak of the devil and he shall appear :-)
22:16 hmmmm if you plan to use perlin noise in your mods, don't worry about slowness too much, i'll have perlin noise 'map' functions where you request a certain sized chunk starting at a specified X,Y coord
22:17 RealBadAngel i would like to use it but have no glue what parameters means and how to use it :)
22:17 hmmmm so to convert old mods that use the perlin:get2d() functions, you'd basically call perlin:getmap2d() outside of the loop, and then replace where you'd have perlin:get2d() with an access of the array that it returns
22:17 hmmmm oh, you just don't know how it works
22:17 RealBadAngel yup :)
22:18 RealBadAngel thats the problem
22:18 hmmmm each 'octave' is an iteration of the gradient noise function
22:18 hmmmm with each octave, you get smaller details and a more complex map
22:18 hmmmm persistance is how much each of these iterations have an effect on the whole thing
22:18 hmmmm so it sort of fades out with each smaller addition of gradient noise
22:19 hmmmm are you good at math?
22:19 hmmmm i can explain it better that way
22:19 khonkhortisan fractal!
22:19 RealBadAngel rather yes, had some math in high school
22:20 hmmmm alright
22:20 hmmmm you have this 'gradient' function that'll return a value in a range from -1 to 1
22:21 hmmmm for each octave, you have the perlin value of gradient(x / spread, y / spread, seed + i) * persistance
22:22 hmmmm and you take the sum of these for as many octaves there are
22:22 hmmmm the 'spread' is how big the details of the perlin noise are
22:22 hmmmm for each octave, the spread is doubled
22:22 hmmmm or rather halved
22:22 hmmmm and the persistance is halved as well
22:23 hmmmm and a new seed is used for each round
22:23 hmmmm that probably didn't help much... sorry
22:23 RealBadAngel it helps
22:24 RealBadAngel lets try to use it
22:28 RealBadAngel what is the difference between perlin 2d and 3d?
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22:28 RealBadAngel what is the difference between perlin 2d and 3d?
22:29 hmmmmmm 2d gives you a value from specifying 3 points in space, for 2d, 2
22:29 hmmmmmm 3d gives you a value from specifying 3 points in space*
22:30 RealBadAngel so if i want to locate marble deposits on certain depth i shall use 3d?
22:30 hmmmmmm think of it like this:  2d is a square, and the value you get from perlin noise is how dark the point is, 3d is a cube, and the value you get is how dense that point is
22:30 hmmmmmm no!!!
22:30 hmmmmmm 3d is very very slow
22:31 RealBadAngel btw some1 has implemented use of perlin somwhere?
22:31 hmmmmmm use 2d perlin, start at some y position, and then vary the y based on a PseudoRandom range from -1 to 1 perhaps
22:32 RealBadAngel ive heard calinou talkin bout perlin and ores but cant see it here
22:33 FreeFull hmmmmmm: If you vary the y then you will just get streaks
22:34 FreeFull Or rather, long tubes of ores
22:34 RealBadAngel FreeFull, im not goin to make ores, i want marble deposits
22:34 RealBadAngel that replaces stone in certain areas
22:35 FreeFull Just wire into the map generation engine
22:35 RealBadAngel ive used generate_ore to make them but i think game got laggy because of it
22:36 FreeFull You should look at how the default game defines stuff
22:38 FreeFull Actually, seems that wouldn't work
22:38 FreeFull You could replace gravel with marble, but that would make marble rather rare
22:41 RealBadAngel generate_ore("technic:marble", "default:stone", minp, maxp, get_next_seed(),
22:41 RealBadAngel 1/32, 20, -150, -32)
22:42 RealBadAngel thats what im using right now
22:42 VanessaE WHAT?  someone who doesn't use 1/x/x/x/x/x/x/x/x..... for the ore chance? :-)
22:42 RealBadAngel its not the ore
22:43 RealBadAngel it actually makes nice marble caves
22:44 RealBadAngel i could be satisfied with it but i do get generation everywhere
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23:04 M13 is minetest forum down?
23:04 NakedFury yes
23:04 M13 ok
23:04 M13 thnx for info
23:05 RealBadAngel this is how it looks like by now: http://realbadangel.pl/marble.png
23:05 NakedFury that is interesting. instead of ores to bring other natural resources like marble
23:06 RealBadAngel what is dtime_jitter parameter in debug?
23:07 M13 idk
23:07 M13 do you know?
23:07 RealBadAngel askin because it jumps from like 10% to over 1000%
23:12 RealBadAngel first dug marble in the world, placed on the ground :) http://realbadangel.pl/marble1.png
23:14 RealBadAngel strange farming error just hit me
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23:15 RealBadAngel 01:13:48: INFO[EmergeThread]: on_generated took 1684ms
23:15 RealBadAngel the price for the marble caves :)
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23:16 GloopMaster marble. cool/
23:16 GloopMaster whatever
23:16 GloopMaster what's with the forums?
23:17 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/marble.png
23:17 RealBadAngel down
23:19 M13 is anyone working on the forums?
23:20 RealBadAngel another screenshot: http://realbadangel.pl/marble2.png
23:20 VanessaE nice
23:20 M13 and what does this mean?
23:20 M13 Unable to connect to MySQL and select database. MySQL reported: Can't connect to MySQL server on '10.8.0.26' (111)
23:21 NakedFury it means bad vanessa. bad!
23:21 VanessaE hey now
23:21 M13 lol
23:21 VanessaE I just deleted a duplicate post, not clicked the "make forums explode" button :-)
23:21 NakedFury VanessaE "Breaker of the Forum"
23:21 M13 wow... -_-
23:22 M13 really
23:22 M13 ?
23:22 VanessaE no :)
23:22 GloopMaster omg
23:22 M13 o ok :P
23:22 GloopMaster you bwoke irt
23:22 GloopMaster derp.
23:22 VanessaE it just happened to crash while I was in the middle of doing some routine moderator work :-)
23:22 M13 only celeron can fix it right?
23:22 GloopMaster ya
23:23 M13 damn
23:23 VanessaE only he can get it fixed, but it's someone else who maintains the server that broke
23:23 M13 when will it be up again?
23:23 VanessaE when celeron55 gets someone to fix it :D
23:24 M13 That means we use my minetest forum
23:24 M13 http://minetestforums.weebly.com/#/
23:24 VanessaE no
23:24 GloopMaster never.
23:24 M13 -_-
23:24 VanessaE until yours mirrors the official, it ain't gonna be good enough
23:24 RealBadAngel that means we use irc
23:24 M13 wow...
23:24 M13 that hurt :(
23:25 RealBadAngel go to the local store, buy a mirror ;)
23:25 GloopMaster XD
23:26 M13 <@VanessaE> until yours mirrors the official, it ain't gonna be good enough <---- was that nice?
23:26 M13 no! it was not DX
23:26 M13 lolz :P
23:26 RealBadAngel truth is never nice
23:26 M13 well cyah all later need to eat
23:27 RealBadAngel you just killed kids dreams VanessaE
23:27 RealBadAngel :)
23:27 GloopMaster lol
23:27 GloopMaster as if you dont do that enough already, RealBadAngel
23:27 VanessaE :P
23:27 RealBadAngel she started, i nailed
23:28 VanessaE don't blame me, I just say it as I see it
23:28 VanessaE (and if I don't see it I make it up :P)
23:30 RealBadAngel VanessaE, what do you think, a bit of lag when generating world is worth the marble caves?
23:30 VanessaE no
23:30 VanessaE nothing is worth adding too much lag imho
23:32 RealBadAngel so generate_ore is not good enough for it
23:35 VanessaE probably not, not if it's causing so much lag that you notice it
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23:35 VanessaE especially on your rather well-powered computer
23:35 RealBadAngel its not cutting edge one
23:35 RealBadAngel rather old one
23:35 VanessaE as I recall it's at least as good as mine
23:36 RealBadAngel but its in fact one time lag
23:36 JangoFett154 so is anyone gonna fix forum or are you guys just gonna sit there?
23:36 khonkhortisan space " " non-breaking-space " "
23:36 RealBadAngel not lasting too long
23:36 khonkhortisan I'm just going to sit here
23:36 NakedFury we cant fix it
23:37 NakedFury so ill sit there
23:37 RealBadAngel ive noticed the lag once, when created new world
23:37 JangoFett154 why cant you fix it???
23:37 RealBadAngel now when im flyin further its not laggy at all
23:38 RealBadAngel Oldcoder, you there?
23:41 khonkhortisan abm radius is a weakness of mesecons
23:42 khonkhortisan OldCoder, ^^
23:43 VanessaE JangoFett154: none of us can fix the forums.
23:43 JangoFett154 VanessaE can i have download for your cool house that has the shingles on top?
23:43 VanessaE only celeron55 can.
23:43 VanessaE sure, sec.
23:44 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/VanessaE-Home-2.we
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23:44 VanessaE I think that file is for worldedit 0.45, not sure if current WE can load it properly or not
23:44 VanessaE (someone mentioned a while back that it loads upside down in 0.5)
23:45 JangoFett154 wait VanesssaE that is list of ###s how to put it in?
23:45 VanessaE this is a worldedit file.
23:45 VanessaE load it with that progra,
23:45 VanessaE program/mod
23:45 JangoFett154 how to load it onto my computer?
23:46 VanessaE use worldedit.
23:46 JangoFett154 how to get it in worldedit
23:46 khonkhortisan /p set (punch) (punch) //load filename
23:46 VanessaE //load
23:46 VanessaE what he said.
23:46 JangoFett154 how to make it a file?
23:46 VanessaE download it
23:46 VanessaE it's already a file
23:47 JangoFett154 how?????? it only shows a list of numbers
23:47 VanessaE use your browser to download it
23:47 banlieue how i register in minetest? ^^
23:47 VanessaE right click the link, save as
23:47 khonkhortisan haha the no-download-button content-is-on-page thing
23:47 VanessaE banlieue: you can't right now - the forums are down.
23:47 OldCoder Hi
23:47 khonkhortisan irc doesn't give me a download button and the page doesn't give me a link
23:47 OldCoder Did somebody say port 30000 was down as well?
23:47 banlieue thanks VanessaE
23:48 JangoFett154 it wont let me save as when right click the link
23:48 VanessaE JangoFett154: you could also open a terminal and wget the url
23:48 OldCoder Oh
23:48 OldCoder Forum has DB issue
23:48 OldCoder MySQL daemon is down
23:48 VanessaE OldCoder: not the first time.
23:48 OldCoder I C T Y
23:48 OldCoder Did somebody say port 30000 was down as well?
23:48 khonkhortisan make an example website and put the link there so you can download it :)
23:48 OldCoder Checking now
23:48 OldCoder khonkhortisan, hi; what?
23:49 khonkhortisan Vanessa's house
23:49 JangoFett154 can you just put it on like git or another download program?? i hate when downloads take you to a page like that -.- no offence
23:49 VanessaE JangoFett154: ok go here then
23:49 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/
23:49 khonkhortisan that's better
23:49 VanessaE the file you want is near the top of the list.  save link as or whatever your browser does.
23:49 khonkhortisan now there's a link to save
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23:50 JangoFett154 it only gives me options of open open in new window etc.
23:50 skully_ hilo
23:50 VanessaE JangoFett154: you're going to have to learn how to download random URLs, I can't help you with that.
23:51 VanessaE in linux, I would do:  wget http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/VanessaE-Home-2.we
23:51 VanessaE in windows, I have no idea.
23:51 khonkhortisan I have "Save Link As..." in my right-click window
23:51 khonkhortisan or you could ctrl-a-c, ctrl-v in a text editor, then save.
23:52 khonkhortisan or I could DCC (DDC?) it
23:52 VanessaE DCC.
23:53 JangoFett154 you should have just put it in git -.-
23:53 khonkhortisan I'm sending you the file
23:53 JangoFett154 how?
23:53 khonkhortisan through irc, unless you're on webchat or something like that.
23:54 JangoFett154 im at http://webchat.freenode.net/
23:54 khonkhortisan then I'm not sending you it :(
23:54 JangoFett154 -.- VanessaE you should just put it in git
23:54 VanessaE no.
23:54 VanessaE learn to use your computer properly.
23:55 VanessaE sorry if that sounds mean
23:55 khonkhortisan it wouldn't commit well
23:55 VanessaE but I am very picky about thaqt.
23:55 VanessaE that*
23:55 JangoFett154 git works for windows and linux and what you have done works for..... i dont know who because i cant even get it
23:55 VanessaE a URL is a URL whether it points to a web page, a binary program file, or a text file
23:56 VanessaE any random browser can download a file. :-)
23:56 JangoFett154 then why cant i download it????
23:57 VanessaE because your browser sucks :-)
23:57 khonkhortisan which browser are you using?
23:57 JangoFett154 you just said ANY RANDOM BROWSER!
23:57 VanessaE Firefox can "save link as..."
23:57 JangoFett154 internet explorer
23:57 khonkhortisan proof: http://www.flickr.com/photos/79516830@N05/8095395199/in/photostream/lightbox/
23:57 VanessaE chromium can "save link as..." also
23:58 VanessaE internet explorer isn't a random browser - it's a piece of crap ;)
23:58 JangoFett154 i dont have firefox or chrome
23:58 khonkhortisan yuck, it says to add as favorite to save a link in ie
23:58 VanessaE lame
23:58 JangoFett154 all computers come with internet explorer so if internet explorer cant download it then you use git!
23:58 banlieue i was thinking nobody use that crap
23:58 khonkhortisan http://www.ehow.com/how_6780721_save-links-internet-explorer-6.html
23:58 VanessaE WRONG!
23:58 khonkhortisan hahahaha
23:58 khonkhortisan hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
23:58 VanessaE all computers do NOT come with IE.
23:58 VanessaE mine did not
23:59 VanessaE nor did my husband'
23:59 VanessaE 's
23:59 VanessaE or my spare
23:59 khonkhortisan only ONE brand of computer comes with IE
23:59 VanessaE or my laptop.
23:59 JangoFett154 mine is brand new and it came with it
23:59 JangoFett154 it doesnt matter you should use git
23:59 khonkhortisan you bought it with windows pre-installed, therefore ie came with it
23:59 VanessaE and if you live east of the Atlantic (I don't), you get the choice of what browser to use the first time you turn the computer on.

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