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Time Nick Message
00:00 VanessaE haha
00:01 * NekoGloop wins
00:01 NekoGloop Upload it
00:01 VanessaE there's nothing to upload - it's already online :-)
00:02 VanessaE THIS, https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons
00:02 VanessaE plus THIS, https://github.com/VanessaE/mesecon-wires-new
00:02 NakedFury gonna need to make nex textures for mesecon stuff
00:02 VanessaE equals THIS: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_314205544.png
00:03 RealBadAngel nice
00:03 RealBadAngel really nice
00:04 RealBadAngel im fightin a bug
00:04 RealBadAngel nasty one
00:04 VanessaE I'm going to do a little more work on the nodeboxes to give those junction blobs a ltitle more definition
00:04 VanessaE little*
00:04 RealBadAngel it crashes the client
00:04 VanessaE but only after jeija returns later.
00:04 VanessaE RealBadAngel: ouch
00:05 RealBadAngel seen the code
00:05 RealBadAngel many similar lines
00:05 RealBadAngel made a mistake somwhere
00:06 RealBadAngel tracin it now
00:07 NekoGloop GET THY BUG SPRAY!!!
00:07 * VanessaE hands RealBadAngel some Bug-B-Gone (TM)
00:08 RealBadAngel jesus
00:08 RealBadAngel im an idiot
00:08 RealBadAngel lol
00:08 RealBadAngel made another divide by 0
00:08 NekoGloop works wonderfully vanessae
00:09 RealBadAngel lmao
00:09 VanessaE NekoGloop: thanks :-)
00:09 VanessaE and on Jeija's behalf too :-)
00:09 VanessaE RealBadAngel: can you take a quick break and do me a favor?
00:09 NekoGloop only problem, if you can call it that: They do the vertical thing midair as well
00:09 RealBadAngel sure
00:10 VanessaE RealBadAngel: on your "goodbye coal, electricity comes" thread, segfault22 made a comment that mesecons will never look as good as your cabling.  Can you post this screenshot?
00:10 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_314205544.png
00:10 VanessaE (I feel funny posting it myself)
00:11 VanessaE neko: yeah I know, but that's a small price to pay for nice 3d wires :-)
00:11 NekoGloop They dont connect to microcontrollers
00:11 VanessaE sure they do.
00:11 NekoGloop no they dont
00:11 VanessaE look at the screenshot :-)
00:12 NekoGloop I have a circle around a microcontroller. It doesnt connect to it directly at any point
00:12 VanessaE on the right, at the "A" pin, a mesecon connects.
00:12 VanessaE you may have to dig up and re-place your components.
00:12 NekoGloop not even at A
00:13 VanessaE I just tried, it works for me
00:13 VanessaE did you grab both the mesecons update AND the wires?
00:13 VanessaE you need both for it to work right
00:13 NekoGloop oh
00:13 NekoGloop the mesecons itself got updated
00:13 VanessaE *nod*
00:14 VanessaE compatibility tweaks
00:14 NekoGloop Jeija, y u make me download so much?
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00:15 RealBadAngel @Vanessa: done
00:15 VanessaE thanks
00:15 RealBadAngel going back to my code
00:15 VanessaE RealBadAngel: hahahah perfect response :-0
00:15 VanessaE :-)
00:16 RealBadAngel :)
00:16 NekoGloop works now
00:18 NekoGloop i cannot find worldedit for the life of me >.>
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00:19 NekoGloop found it
00:19 Keegan hello
00:19 NekoGloop hi there keegan
00:22 VanessaE ok, I pushed the 1-pixel-thick wires to master
00:22 VanessaE neko, others: re-pull the wires repo.
00:24 NekoGloop goddamn it i just restarted playing minetest
00:26 Keegan how do you make a hack client or is there already one made so i can download it
00:26 VanessaE pushed again.  new texture for wires bearing a junction 'bump'.
00:27 NekoGloop DAMMIT VANESSAE
00:27 VanessaE Keegan: you don't.  end of discussion.
00:27 VanessaE neko: wait, there's another commit coming in a few minutes.
00:27 NekoGloop I DIDNT EVEN MOVE THIS TIME
00:27 VanessaE NekoGloop: this is called "active development". :-)
00:27 Keegan VanessaE: you mean
00:28 VanessaE I warned you that it wasn't ready :-)
00:28 VanessaE Keegan: I mean hacked clients are not acceptible to the Minetest community.
00:28 NakedFury can you stop asking for hacked clients
00:28 VanessaE the last prominent person to discuss using a hacked client did it for the sole purpose of griefing.
00:28 Keegan VanessaE: I want to see what it does
00:29 VanessaE Keegan: it does whatever the hack in question does - it's not like there's only one way to hack a program
00:29 JamieWill I have 2 hacked clients just download them
00:29 NekoGloop could even just make 3d character rendering :P
00:29 Keegan where do i download them at?
00:30 NekoGloop VanessaE: Have you tried GloopOres yet?
00:30 NekoGloop http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=36982
00:31 Keegan whats that Neko
00:31 VanessaE NekoGloop: I haven't had time.
00:31 NekoGloop It's GloopOres :P
00:32 NekoGloop Should I make all the ores (except Kalite) be craftable into blocks/tools?
00:32 Keegan JamieWill: may i have t?
00:33 NekoGloop I have to go soon, VanessaE, may you please hurry up a bit?
00:33 VanessaE I'm trying :-)
00:34 NekoGloop I dont wanna lose that link, since github has decided to like me today.
00:35 VanessaE there.
00:36 VanessaE re-pull the wires repo.
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00:36 Keegan is the hack client on github?
00:37 VanessaE Keegan: forget about hacked clients damn it
00:37 Keegan nevery
00:37 NekoGloop Then be banned mercilessly.
00:37 NekoGloop From everywhere.
00:37 NekoGloop And anywhere.
00:37 Keegan ill forgot about when i get it
00:37 VanessaE you come on a server I'm a mod on, with a hacked client, you will not return.
00:37 Keegan ok
00:38 Keegan what server?
00:38 VanessaE NekoGloop: I think that completes my changes.
00:38 JamieWill joined #minetest
00:38 JamieWill yeaah
00:38 VanessaE Keegan: please learn to read english.  "if" means a conditional statement.  That does not mean I'm inviting you to any such server.
00:38 VanessaE wb JamieWill.
00:38 NekoGloop Any time you cross my path I shall batter you with the strongest weapon available, Keegan.
00:39 Keegan you guys are mean
00:39 VanessaE NekoGloop: would that be the evil sword? :-)
00:39 Keegan tgesh
00:39 NekoGloop Assuming GloopBlocks is in place, yes.
00:39 VanessaE Keegan: mean?  no.  we have standards.
00:39 NekoGloop Evil Sword is a two-hit kill even if the opponent is at full health.
00:40 Keegan VanessaE: diid you hear what Neko said to me
00:40 VanessaE indeed I did.
00:40 VanessaE he said the same thing I did, just with stronger words.
00:40 VanessaE It is forbidden to use a hacked client on a public server.
00:40 NekoGloop And with more applicable ones, since all servers I'm mod on are down for indefinite amounts of time.
00:41 NekoGloop But, alas, I must take my leave.
00:41 Keegan so?
00:42 VanessaE what so?
00:42 Keegan you know
00:43 NakedFury we wont tell you or give you clients made for griefing EVER stop asking for them stop asking about them
00:44 NakedFury we are a very small community, if you are found hacking there is a very high chance you will be banned in all servers
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00:46 Keegan so
00:47 Basstard` soma
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00:49 Keegan sdzen: you have a hack client>?
00:49 VanessaE keegan the answer is NO.
00:50 sdzen i do but id never let you use it
00:50 Basstard` Isn't Minetest a hack in itself?
00:50 Keegan why dont
00:50 Keegan you guys are so mean
00:50 VanessaE Basstard`: no.  minetest was programmed from the ground up in C++
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00:50 VanessaE it is not a hack of anything else.
00:51 Basstard` VanessaE: And what does hacking mean?
00:51 VanessaE Basstard`: to dig into the code and make changes, either for the purpose of improving it, or to do what keegan wants.
00:51 Keegan sdzen: why wont you giive t to me?
00:51 sdzen cause i dont trust you and never have trusted you
00:51 NakedFury and never will
00:51 Keegan come on trust me
00:52 sdzen haha no
00:52 sdzen im still holding it against you for TRYING to destroy the spawn on my server
00:52 Keegan plz you know i own a server and a moderator on three server
00:53 sdzen i know this but any two bit hack with an ounce of thought can run a server
00:53 sdzen and ive seen how you get to be a moderator
00:53 Keegan how
00:54 NakedFury whinning
00:54 NakedFury pissing people off
00:54 Keegan no
00:54 sdzen you basicly grovel to the server admins and anyone else who can help you accomplish your means
00:54 NakedFury like right now
00:54 Keegan what
00:54 sdzen no hes being a bit more civilized now
00:54 Keegan i dd not whine to menche or madchcken
00:55 VanessaE brb
00:56 sdzen mad chicken would trust a lump of dirt as a moderator if it didnt grieve or be a nuisance to him
00:56 Keegan yea so
00:56 JamieWill joined #minetest
00:57 JamieWill Hi
00:57 sdzen with menche you guilted him into it like everyone else did
00:57 Keegan NO  DIDNT
00:57 VanessaE joined #minetest
00:57 Keegan ask him
00:57 NakedFury really wish I could have players muted on my irc chat
00:58 darkrose joined #minetest
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00:58 Keegan you can
00:58 Keegan ASK MENCHE
00:59 servvs joined #minetest
01:00 Keegan SO WHY CANT  GET A HACK CLIENT
01:01 RealBadAngel if i get such folk, using such shit to greive
01:02 Keegan JUST GIVEME IT
01:02 RealBadAngel he will be ddosed all the time
01:02 RealBadAngel period
01:02 Keegan NOW!!!!
01:02 JamieWill thanks to mad  chicken 13 just got a free no lag personal 0.3.1 server
01:02 VanessaE there, xfce 4.10 installed.  not bad so far
01:03 Keegan PLZ JUST GVEME THE CLIENT NOW!!!!!
01:03 VanessaE NO
01:03 Keegan NOW!!!
01:04 JamieWill No!
01:04 Keegan NOOOOW!
01:04 NakedFury go join #minetest-moron for spam
01:04 RealBadAngel shit, how old r u keegan?
01:04 RealBadAngel 5?
01:04 Keegan older than you
01:04 JamieWill Seriously moron room
01:04 sdzen how old?
01:04 VanessaE how old are you keegan?
01:05 NakedFury 6
01:05 JamieWill he is like 7
01:05 JamieWill 8 @ the most
01:05 RealBadAngel tops even
01:05 NakedFury I recommend everyone to ban him on servers
01:05 sdzen ive seen 5 year olds play nicer then keegan
01:05 JamieWill done
01:05 JamieWill my lilz cuz
01:06 Keegan you guys are so dumb
01:06 RealBadAngel yes we are
01:06 sdzen and you are dodging our question
01:06 VanessaE Keegan: not dumb.  strict.
01:06 RealBadAngel and goodbye
01:06 JamieWill Yep thats us ~points a gun to my own head
01:06 Keegan shut it
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01:07 Keegan no one is n there
01:07 Keegan s there like a hacking one?
01:07 VanessaE so you think it's dumb for us to prevent you from obtaining a hacked client?
01:07 RealBadAngel gimme just one more reason
01:07 VanessaE that's about as smart a thing as one can do in this situation.
01:08 RealBadAngel and i will point zombie botnet at your ip
01:08 RealBadAngel please
01:08 Keegan DONT
01:08 VanessaE then answer the question:  how old are you?
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01:08 Keegan 15
01:08 sdzen hmmmmm you sir dont act your age
01:09 Keegan sure
01:09 * VanessaE <-- 38. College educated.  25 years as a programmer.  former professional linux system administrator.  minetest modder.  texture pack author.
01:09 VanessaE still think I'm dumb?
01:10 Basstard` VanessaE: Many dumb people go to college.
01:10 VanessaE good point.
01:11 VanessaE (see for example, some recent US presidents ;-) )
01:11 Keegan i can barely hack anything
01:11 Keegan cant do c++
01:11 Keegan or lanuage
01:12 Basstard` VanessaE: I like the Commodore stuff on your page.
01:12 VanessaE thanks
01:12 * sdzen <-- 15. Top of the class. most intelligent smart aleck in vermont. has fairly decent knowledge of computers in general and knows some python. artist. amateur badminton player
01:13 VanessaE badminton?  gutsy :-)
01:13 Keegan you guys are so mean
01:14 VanessaE keegan: we are preventing you from doing harm to the community.
01:14 VanessaE that is the polar opposite of mean.
01:14 RealBadAngel OR is for Oregon?
01:14 VanessaE I think so
01:14 sdzen yes i believe so
01:14 Keegan plz
01:14 RealBadAngel pack ur stuff
01:15 RealBadAngel youre goin to have vacation
01:15 Keegan for what
01:15 Keegan no thats two weeks from nmow
01:16 RealBadAngel sooner my boy, sooner
01:16 Keegan why
01:16 RealBadAngel to teach you something
01:16 Keegan for what
01:17 sdzen you dont happen to live in michigan do you?
01:17 sdzen keegan?
01:17 Keegan no
01:18 Keegan why
01:18 sdzen oh well
01:18 Keegan oh well for what
01:18 RealBadAngel corvallis, oregon
01:18 Keegan nope
01:19 RealBadAngel no shit
01:19 RealBadAngel really?
01:19 Keegan really what
01:19 RealBadAngel really a kid :P
01:19 Keegan how
01:20 Keegan plz no fuckng swearing
01:20 Keegan now im getting mad
01:20 VanessaE you have no right to get mad.
01:20 VanessaE you are the one making a scene
01:21 Keegan SO
01:22 BloodCoder Keegan, hey
01:22 Keegan BloodCoder hey
01:22 BloodCoder How are things going?
01:22 Keegan terrible
01:22 NakedFury for us
01:22 BloodCoder Sorry to hear it
01:23 Keegan there so mean
01:23 BloodCoder NakedFury, I don't think we've met. It's pretty good nick.
01:23 NakedFury hi
01:23 NakedFury are you going to whine like keegan for hacks?
01:25 BloodCoder NakedFury, hmm? Who are you speaking too?
01:25 BloodCoder *to?
01:26 NakedFury you
01:26 BloodCoder Oh. Then, actually, no...
01:26 NakedFury nice
01:26 NakedFury welcome
01:26 BloodCoder All right :-)
01:27 loldongs joined #minetest
01:28 loldongs eh
01:28 loldongs hi?
01:28 VanessaE hi
01:29 mrtux ohi
01:30 JamieWill I got a personal server thanks to madchicken13 on 0.3.1 no lag at all
01:31 VanessaE I'm kinda surprised you went with 0.3.1
01:31 VanessaE given how obsolete it is now
01:32 mrtux i just set up a server
01:32 mrtux it's on an amazon ec2
01:32 mrtux pretty nice
01:33 BloodCoder mrtux, What sort of server load is involved? Won't be free after a point
01:34 BloodCoder BloodCoder, BTW Good nick too
01:34 mrtux BloodCoder: not much i think
01:34 BloodCoder Amazon will kick it over to paid eventually
01:34 mrtux ah
01:34 BloodCoder It's only free for one year and exceeding limits will result in bills now
01:34 BloodCoder But I was planning to try the same thing this month
01:34 mrtux oh i see
01:35 BloodCoder No harm in running it; just set up billing alerts
01:35 mrtux ah
01:35 mrtux is it expensive?
01:35 BloodCoder Not at the first tier
01:35 mrtux ah
01:35 BloodCoder They like the idea of people getting used to the service
01:35 BloodCoder I'd simply recommend you set up the alerts and keep an eye on it
01:35 loldongs install gentoo
01:35 mrtux see i don't own the server actually, the server owner allowed me to run it
01:36 BloodCoder Patrick would like you
01:36 BloodCoder Oops
01:36 mrtux he was going to run a minecraft server on it lol
01:36 BloodCoder loldongs, that was for you
01:36 BloodCoder loldongs, may I ask if you have run Gentoo?
01:36 loldongs huh
01:36 BloodCoder He's a friend of mine
01:36 loldongs yes I use Gentoo
01:36 BloodCoder Ha
01:36 BloodCoder loldongs, Is it O.K. if I ask what you like about it?
01:36 mrtux FREEDOM
01:36 loldongs sure
01:37 BloodCoder Not Linux; Gentoo which is one variety
01:37 loldongs well the thing I like about the distro is how I can optimize the code
01:37 loldongs using makeflags and cflags
01:37 BloodCoder So; the source-based nature
01:37 loldongs yes mostly
01:37 loldongs and it's a rolling release
01:37 BloodCoder Correct
01:37 loldongs so I get the latest software, usually
01:37 mrtux yes
01:37 BloodCoder You are current user. If you'd like to meet him I'll bring him by sometime.
01:38 BloodCoder Gentoo is more than one person, of course
01:38 loldongs ok sure
01:38 BloodCoder Mageia Linux is also here in another channel
01:38 BloodCoder We have a sort of club :-)
01:38 BloodCoder Anyway
01:38 mrtux so is arch linux
01:38 loldongs oh I see
01:38 mrtux arch is nice
01:38 BloodCoder Yes
01:38 BloodCoder Arch is similar to Slackware
01:38 loldongs yes I'm actually not using gentoo right this moment, right now I have arch installed
01:38 BloodCoder I used that for about a decade
01:39 mrtux ah
01:39 BloodCoder loldongs, They are both fine distros
01:39 loldongs I have it on one of my other machines
01:39 mrtux doobian is nic
01:39 mrtux *nice
01:39 loldongs have gentoo on one of my others that is
01:39 mrtux i mean debian lol
01:39 BloodCoder Yes
01:39 BloodCoder I was going to ask :-)
01:39 loldongs what distro do you use bloodcoder?
01:39 BloodCoder My own :-)
01:39 loldongs oh you built your own?
01:39 leo_rockway Arch is not similar to Slackware
01:39 mrtux cool
01:40 BloodCoder leo_rockway, Actually, based on my standards they occupy similar spaces
01:40 leo_rockway Arch is bleeding edge and Slackware is rock solid stable.
01:40 BloodCoder Yes
01:40 BloodCoder leo_rockway, Believe me, I know
01:40 loldongs well slackware and arch are both minimal distros
01:40 BloodCoder loldongs, Lightweight as opposed to minimal
01:40 loldongs I think he was referring to that
01:40 leo_rockway they are both DIY kind of distros.
01:40 leo_rockway okay, then I agree.
01:40 BloodCoder leo_rockway, there is a funny Linux proverb
01:40 BloodCoder Hmm
01:40 BloodCoder "Slackware... friendly as a coiled rattlesnake" :-)
01:41 leo_rockway xD
01:41 * BloodCoder relied heavily on Slackware
01:41 * RealBadAngel uses ubuntu. debian anyway
01:41 BloodCoder I met Volkerding a couple of times
01:41 loldongs so what's the name of your distro?
01:41 leo_rockway Ubuntu is an African term which means "Slackware is too hard for me"
01:41 RealBadAngel lol
01:41 VanessaE haha
01:41 RealBadAngel not really
01:41 BloodCoder I have a name but it is unreleased
01:41 BloodCoder Hang on, here are a few screenshots
01:41 * BloodCoder rummages in the box
01:41 loldongs ok
01:41 leo_rockway BloodCoder: Slackware was my first distro, back in 1998.
01:41 BloodCoder leo_rockway, ah
01:42 BloodCoder Old School :-)
01:42 * BloodCoder approves
01:42 leo_rockway mhm
01:42 RealBadAngel ubuntu is "for people"
01:42 BloodCoder Linux was in the right place at the right time
01:42 leo_rockway I was 14 or 15
01:42 NakedFury windows 95 was my first distro back in...95
01:42 BloodCoder Under different circumstances you'd be running BSD
01:42 BloodCoder They waited six months too long
01:42 leo_rockway I don't see myself changing Arch for anything...
01:42 BloodCoder om
01:42 BloodCoder Don't
01:42 BloodCoder Find what works
01:43 leo_rockway I have versionitis... I'm on Arch testing.
01:43 BloodCoder Speaking personally...
01:43 loldongs just asking, have you used bsd before bloodcoder?
01:43 BloodCoder I loved Slackware
01:43 BloodCoder You could say that :-)
01:43 loldongs I've tried it but I didn't like it's style of package management
01:43 leo_rockway Slackware was beautiful, but I can't wait for newer versions.
01:43 BloodCoder I was at B when they added the SD
01:43 BloodCoder http://oldcoder.org/distro/ssdistro/ss-games.jpg
01:43 BloodCoder I prefer lightweight games. Those are my primary choices ^
01:43 BloodCoder No MT client though I've built it
01:43 BloodCoder
01:44 BloodCoder http://oldcoder.org/general/beworld/beworld-main.jpg
01:44 BloodCoder ^ This is my own little game
01:44 leo_rockway Nethack!
01:44 BloodCoder It's simple but unusual
01:44 BloodCoder No; that is a Nethack clone written in Tcl
01:44 loldongs I honestly don't know much programming besides basic C
01:44 BloodCoder One of my projects from 2 years back
01:44 BloodCoder
01:44 BloodCoder leo_rockway, You're familiar with Nethack?
01:44 BloodCoder I used to play Rogue with Ken Arnold
01:44 leo_rockway I love Nethack, but I'm terrible.
01:44 loldongs also I didn't mean basic as the language I meant I only know basically a little C
01:44 leo_rockway I can't go lower than 5 floors
01:44 BloodCoder Here is my Nethack clone:
01:45 BloodCoder loldongs, You will pick it up
01:45 BloodCoder http://oldcoder.org/distro/ssdistro/ss-stargnud-mode-default.jpg
01:45 leo_rockway I know some Python... and now I'm learning Lua syntax. I'm a sysadmin.
01:45 BloodCoder That is a fork of a fork ^
01:45 BloodCoder leo_rockway, Perl Python PHP Lua
01:45 BloodCoder Learn them all; no need to limit yourself
01:45 BloodCoder http://oldcoder.org/distro/ssdistro/ss-stargnud-nuclear.jpg
01:46 BloodCoder ^ About 20 years ago...
01:46 BloodCoder I was bored
01:46 BloodCoder Added nuclear weapons to Nethack
01:46 BloodCoder I figured...
01:46 BloodCoder Who would go into a dungeon with just a sword? :-)
01:46 leo_rockway BloodCoder: that looks like Vulture
01:46 BloodCoder http://oldcoder.org/distro/ssdistro/ss-prfreeboom-setup.png
01:46 BloodCoder I haven't seen Vulture but I think this is similar
01:46 leo_rockway Isometric Nethack client
01:47 BloodCoder I forked it from an abandoned project about 7 years ago
01:47 BloodCoder Yes
01:47 BloodCoder Rogue -> Hack -> Nethack -> Slash'Em and friends
01:47 BloodCoder Vulture comes along to the right
01:47 leo_rockway I don't use QWERTY, so plain Nethack is kind of annoying for me with the vi-like keys.
01:47 BloodCoder Yes
01:47 BloodCoder But we grew to love it
01:47 BloodCoder Got so when D
01:47 BloodCoder just a letter D
01:47 BloodCoder for dragon wandered into a room we'd jump :-)
01:47 leo_rockway haha
01:48 BloodCoder I collect lightweight games
01:48 loldongs I've only used qwerty and dvorak before lol
01:48 BloodCoder http://oldcoder.org/distro/ssdistro/ss-pingus.jpg
01:48 BloodCoder ^ Pingus
01:48 leo_rockway I like glhack
01:48 BloodCoder loldongs, I used the same keyboards for 20 years
01:48 BloodCoder leo_rockway, I don't think I've built Vulture or glhack
01:48 BloodCoder Got used to my own fork
01:48 loldongs you seem a lot more experienced then me lol, I'm just a teenager
01:48 BloodCoder loldongs, So?
01:48 BloodCoder Learn to code
01:48 BloodCoder Blaze a trail
01:48 leo_rockway glhack is just an opengl rendered version of nethack.
01:49 Basstard` NetHack: The Movie
01:49 BloodCoder Ha
01:49 BloodCoder Hold on...
01:49 leo_rockway nethack is incredibly difficult
01:49 BloodCoder Can't find it but I have the Nethack song here somewhere
01:49 BloodCoder Also quite fun
01:49 loldongs I suppose I could try again at programming
01:49 BloodCoder loldongs, you have nothing to lose
01:49 leo_rockway BloodCoder: do you know Dwarf Fortress and/or Liberal Crime Squad?
01:49 NakedFury DF great game
01:50 leo_rockway I haven't tried DF yet. LCS is maintained by the same guy.
01:50 BloodCoder leo_rockway, Those are commercial, right?
01:50 leo_rockway LCS is fun.
01:50 leo_rockway BloodCoder: no
01:50 BloodCoder I know somebody in the startups channel who loves DF
01:50 BloodCoder Hmm
01:50 BloodCoder I checked DF the other day
01:50 BloodCoder It's not proprietary?
01:50 leo_rockway well, lcs is free. I'm pretty sure DF is free as well.
01:50 NakedFury not open
01:50 BloodCoder Ah; thanks
01:50 NakedFury free but not open source
01:50 BloodCoder DF is quite popular
01:51 BloodCoder I focus on FOSS myself
01:51 BloodCoder Room for all types of software
01:51 loldongs I don't like using proprietary software at all
01:51 BloodCoder It has its place
01:51 leo_rockway I use all free software
01:51 BloodCoder That is a good way to go
01:51 BloodCoder But for some people...
01:51 BloodCoder Hmm
01:51 leo_rockway I call it free software. I'm a GNU kind of guy.
01:51 * BloodCoder tries to avoid debates
01:51 BloodCoder Ha
01:51 leo_rockway =]
01:51 BloodCoder You should meet Ghostshell
01:51 BloodCoder He has mixed feelings about GNU
01:52 BloodCoder I keep telling him
01:52 BloodCoder "I am *not* Richard Stallman"
01:52 leo_rockway I have mixed feelings about rms. I think he does some very stupid things
01:52 VanessaE heh
01:52 BloodCoder He is... colorful
01:52 BloodCoder I am more of an Eric Raymond fan
01:52 leo_rockway like the whole OpenBSD thing. It was unnecessary.
01:52 leo_rockway I don't like ESR at all.
01:52 BloodCoder Go on
01:52 * BloodCoder is interested
01:52 BloodCoder So you are between the two? Or lean towards GNU side?
01:53 leo_rockway the Wikipedia / GNUpedia thing... when he gave his blessing to two different groups of people.
01:53 loldongs rms kinda needs to trim his beard eventually....
01:53 BloodCoder Yes
01:53 leo_rockway I'm a GNU guy, which doesn't mean I support all the stupid things rms does.
01:53 leo_rockway or all the campaigns that the FSF has.
01:53 Basstard` BloodCoder: http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/show-them-the-code
01:54 loldongs I do support GNU as well since the licensing seems like something I agree with
01:54 BloodCoder Reviewing link
01:54 loldongs well I'm a communist/socialist
01:54 BloodCoder Torvalds is old now
01:54 BloodCoder loldongs, then you will make a fine GNU person :-)
01:54 leo_rockway loldongs: ESR is the exact opposite of that.
01:54 leo_rockway I'm not a communist / socialist.
01:55 BloodCoder leo_rockway, It is a joke
01:55 BloodCoder Believe me
01:55 loldongs what is ESR?
01:55 leo_rockway Eric Raymond
01:55 BloodCoder Eric Raymond I believe
01:55 BloodCoder There are two main people
01:55 BloodCoder Opposite warriors
01:55 NakedFury ESR = Eric Raymond, its missing the S
01:55 BloodCoder Yes
01:55 leo_rockway he's like "kill all the gay people, all the muslims, all the people that are different"
01:55 BloodCoder Stallman is the radical
01:55 leo_rockway I don't remember what his middle name is.
01:55 loldongs oh, I seen him before in revolution os
01:55 BloodCoder Raymond is the pragmatic
01:55 leo_rockway but he signs esr.
01:55 loldongs I just didn't know his name
01:56 leo_rockway loldongs: yes, that's the guy.
01:56 leo_rockway he wrote the Cathedral and the Bazaar. That's pretty much it.
01:56 BloodCoder Halloween Documents
01:56 BloodCoder IIRC he collected those as well
01:56 leo_rockway oh, true
01:56 loldongs I don't know much about him
01:56 leo_rockway he rewrote the jargon file
01:56 BloodCoder loldongs, Not urgent
01:57 BloodCoder Jargon file; heh
01:57 * BloodCoder helped with the original fortunes file
01:57 * leo_rockway hugs BloodCoder
01:57 BloodCoder I have a friend in another channel who's sick...
01:57 leo_rockway fortune <3
01:57 BloodCoder Ah
01:57 BloodCoder For the hug you can have my fortunes server
01:57 BloodCoder I will GitHub it :-)
01:57 leo_rockway haha
01:57 BloodCoder I didn't write the original
01:58 BloodCoder A few of the jokes are mine
01:58 BloodCoder I've got a friend in another channel who's sick...
01:58 BloodCoder Need to go over there
01:58 BloodCoder I stopped off here because I saw the business with Keegan
01:58 loldongs I do love GNU, but I'm more concerned about internet privacy instead of proprietary software as much
01:58 BloodCoder I'll talk to him
01:58 BloodCoder loldongs, I look forward to discussing GNU and privacy issues further
01:58 BloodCoder Closed source...
01:59 Basstard` loldongs: Aren't they somewhat connected?
01:59 BloodCoder I wouldn't recommend people use it though it is their right
01:59 loldongs well they are
01:59 loldongs not all proprietary software spies on the users though
01:59 BloodCoder No
01:59 loldongs but unfortently the majority do
01:59 BloodCoder But Windows is sort of Swiss Cheese
01:59 leo_rockway I'm very concerned with privacy too.
01:59 BloodCoder for security
01:59 BloodCoder Yes...
01:59 leo_rockway loldongs: where's your PGP/GPG?
01:59 BloodCoder Wasn't it the head of Sun who said
01:59 loldongs I don't have one honestly
01:59 BloodCoder "You have no privacy get over it"
02:00 NakedFury he is right
02:00 leo_rockway never heard that
02:00 Keegan BloodCoder when will you make t
02:00 BloodCoder Keegan, we'll talk
02:00 BloodCoder But don't ask the others here for it presently
02:00 BloodCoder They're not in the mood
02:00 Keegan urgh taking along time
02:00 * BloodCoder laughs
02:00 BloodCoder Mr. Patience :P
02:01 loldongs I just find it odd that my friends seem to use Windows just because of convenience and games, they don't really care about the ethical or privacy issues
02:01 BloodCoder I've been here for a while and I know some of the people here from other channels
02:01 BloodCoder leo_rockway, loldongs, NakedFury: We haven't talked before and I'm pleased to meet you
02:01 BloodCoder I look forward to talking shop again
02:01 loldongs thanks
02:01 NakedFury same here
02:01 leo_rockway I'm online all the time.
02:01 BloodCoder I've got to see to a sick friend
02:01 Keegan so when will you make it
02:01 * BloodCoder too
02:01 leo_rockway just ping me when you're around
02:01 leo_rockway I hope your friend gets better soon
02:02 BloodCoder Keegan, I'll make a deal...
02:02 BloodCoder We'll talk about it
02:02 BloodCoder If you relax
02:02 Keegan urgh when
02:02 BloodCoder and just kick back a bit
02:02 loldongs what's going on anyway
02:02 loldongs or is it personal
02:02 BloodCoder loldongs, going on?
02:02 Keegan personal
02:02 BloodCoder Keegan is impatient
02:02 loldongs I mean what was keegan asking about
02:02 loldongs but you don't have to tell me
02:02 BloodCoder I think he wants
02:02 leo_rockway DF is nonfree :S
02:02 Keegan nothing
02:02 Basstard` leo_rockway: It is.
02:02 BloodCoder It doesn't matter
02:02 BloodCoder I'll stop by again
02:02 BloodCoder BTW My usual handle is
02:03 NakedFury Dwarf Fortress is Free NOT open source
02:03 OldCoder TTYS
02:03 leo_rockway OldCoder: we had chatted.
02:03 Basstard` NakedFury: Free or gratis?
02:03 * OldCoder nods
02:03 leo_rockway we exchanged GPGs
02:03 leo_rockway NakedFury: free as in freedom.
02:03 * Keegan is getting anouixs
02:04 leo_rockway Basstard`: it is gratis.
02:04 NakedFury ok then ohh I dont have to buy it gratis
02:04 leo_rockway free as in beer, yes. Free as in freedom, no.
02:04 NakedFury gratis no me cuesta nada!
02:04 mrtux I'm starting a griefing server
02:04 mrtux that people can just ruin
02:04 leo_rockway NakedFury: \o/
02:05 Keegan mrtux is untrusted
02:05 NakedFury if it was Free then it would have been modded beyond what the developer is doing
02:05 NakedFury adding textures instead of letters
02:05 leo_rockway letters are awesome.
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02:05 leo_rockway lcs is free, though.
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02:06 loldongs what's wrong with mrtux
02:07 Keegan he grieft my server
02:07 loldongs don't mind me, I'm just a curious fellow
02:07 loldongs oh
02:07 mrtux huh
02:07 Keegan yea
02:07 mrtux lol i was bored
02:07 Keegan so
02:07 mrtux sorry
02:07 Keegan no your not
02:07 mrtux i truly am
02:07 Keegan no your not
02:08 mrtux how
02:08 Keegan HE S A LIER
02:08 mrtux *liar
02:11 loldongs eh
02:21 Keegan hey
02:23 Keegan whatca guys doing
02:23 mrtux griefing my server :P
02:23 NakedFury playing games
02:23 mrtux lava everywhere
02:24 NakedFury planetside 2
02:24 Keegan had to restart my server again
02:24 Keegan because the world diiappeared
02:26 Keegan do you know how to make a server not lag and better
02:26 mrtux yes
02:27 Keegan how
02:27 mrtux you edit the configuration file
02:27 Keegan i did that
02:28 mrtux theres a thread in the forums
02:29 Keegan yea i saw that
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02:29 Keegan hey sdzen
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02:30 VanessaE wb sdzen, servvs.\
02:30 Keegan hey VanessaE
02:30 VanessaE hi
02:30 Keegan whatca doing
02:30 VanessaE just reading and listening to music
02:31 VanessaE trying to shift gears a bit so I can go bowl on the Wii
02:31 Keegan hate reading
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02:32 Keegan whats a cool thing to build
02:32 VanessaE Keegan: after a while, life gets boring enough that reading ends up being a nice way to pass the time.  P
02:33 VanessaE Plus I usually read technical stuff (slashdot mostly), so it's a good way to learn too :-)
02:33 Keegan i just learned from experiance
02:34 Keegan what server you guys play on?
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02:37 sdzen singleplayer
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02:39 Keegan dont you have a server sdzen?
02:39 sdzen yes i do
02:40 sdzen but i play singleplayer
02:44 mrtux ec2-50-112-56-189.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com port 30001
02:45 mrtux my server is filled with lava :P
02:45 VanessaE Keegan: the reason I read to learn is because there's so much stuff I can't learn from experience (like architecture or quantum physics)
02:46 Keegan ill test t out mrtux
02:47 mrtux ok
02:48 JamieWill same to moz so send me it tommoz aswell bye i am away to sleep its 3:48 am night night everyone :)
02:48 mrtux night
02:48 Keegan night
02:48 JamieWill sleep tight lol
02:53 RealBadAngel Keegan, almost 11pm. shouldnt you be in bed?
02:54 Keegan plz stop talking about me
02:56 VanessaE bed?  doesn't that have something to do with this weird concept called sleep?  I must know more, as both have been somewhat alien to me lately :-)
02:58 Keegan RealBadAngel when will you finsh you mod
02:58 sdzen sleep i havent thought of that in a long time
02:58 RealBadAngel sleep? whats that?
02:58 Basstard` You're all sleeping right now.
02:58 RealBadAngel craft recipe?
02:59 VanessaE RealBadAngel:
02:59 VanessaE MF MF MF
02:59 VanessaE S  S  S
02:59 VanessaE W    W
02:59 VanessaE MF = Memory Foam, S = Steel Ingot, W = Wood
02:59 VanessaE ;-)
02:59 Keegan RealBadAngel: when will your mod be release i would like it on my server
02:59 RealBadAngel hehehe
02:59 sdzen is that where all those hours go where i could be doing something usefull then suddenly you regain consiousness on the floor?
03:00 VanessaE sdzen: yeah that's the one
03:00 RealBadAngel Keegan: send your ID scan
03:00 Keegan why
03:00 RealBadAngel to be whitelisted
03:00 Keegan for what
03:00 Basstard` sdzen: And then when you regain conciousness you realize you are actually still unconcious.
03:00 sdzen isnt that lucid dreaming?
03:01 VanessaE Basstard`: well if we're all asleep, then by extension this must be a dream
03:01 Basstard` VanessaE: Indeed.
03:01 Keegan for what RealBadAngle
03:01 RealBadAngel or another question
03:01 VanessaE if so, may it continue indefinitely so my husband and I can stay together forever :-)
03:01 RealBadAngel whos dream are we dreaming
03:02 sdzen big brothers of course
03:02 sdzen he is watching you know
03:03 VanessaE well then I have THIS to say to Big Brother:  http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f4/Gesture_raised_fist_with_middle_finger_lifted.jpg
03:03 VanessaE ;)
03:04 RealBadAngel lol
03:04 Keegan Sorry Guys about earlier
03:04 mrtux ah
03:04 mrtux yeah'
03:04 mrtux i forgive
03:04 sdzen i forget
03:04 RealBadAngel sorry? you will learn what does it mean
03:05 sdzen but something tells me i wont forgive just yet
03:05 sdzen what am i not forgiving this time again :P
03:05 sdzen it gets hard to keep track
03:06 VanessaE haha
03:06 RealBadAngel Keegan: i can see just one solution
03:06 Keegan what
03:06 RealBadAngel you will make topic in forums, and will appologize for your behaviour
03:07 RealBadAngel if not
03:07 Keegan uhhhhhh  cant post in forums for a day
03:07 RealBadAngel you will be really sorry
03:07 Keegan Who is the main developer of Minetest? (nickname)
03:07 RealBadAngel celeron 55
03:08 Keegan trying to post something but it dont go away
03:08 Basstard` VanessaE: It may if you know how. This "life" is but a mere tool to go from temporary to eternal. From me to we.
03:08 sdzen please spray paint your apology on the most valuable land mark in your area take a picture of it then relay it to me
03:08 sdzen then forgiveness will be achieved
03:08 VanessaE heh
03:08 Keegan why cant i past the questons
03:09 Keegan ??
03:09 Keegan help
03:09 RealBadAngel try harder
03:09 Keegan did
03:09 RealBadAngel time is ticking
03:09 RealBadAngel and zombie botnet awaits orders
03:09 Keegan current sable verson?
03:09 Keegan M SORRY
03:10 RealBadAngel 0.4.1 i think ;)
03:10 Keegan didnt work
03:11 sdzen its just 0.4 that needs to be typed
03:12 Keegan VanessaE can ii get unban earlier on the forum plz
03:12 Keegan i need to talk to madchicken
03:13 VanessaE I didn't ban you, so it would not be right for me to issue an unban
03:13 Keegan who ban me?
03:14 Keegan then can you tell madchicken on ,my forum <Keegan said it is on the desktop>
03:14 VanessaE dunno
03:14 Keegan plz plz
03:14 VanessaE besides, you posted earlier today
03:15 VanessaE (though it does say banned now)
03:15 * VanessaE shrugs
03:15 VanessaE you should just wait it out
03:15 Keegan fine ill just go on my sisters account
03:16 VanessaE No, probably you should not do that
03:16 VanessaE she might get banned also
03:16 VanessaE besides, your IP address is probably banned entirely so that wouldn't help
03:16 sdzen guest account!
03:16 sdzen with an ip bait and switch
03:17 mrtux use tor
03:18 Keegan no its not actually ban
03:18 Keegan it must be just the account
03:18 mrtux if it's ip ban use tor, but only for legitimate reasons
03:19 mrtux it's not too private either
03:19 Keegan tor?
03:19 NakedFury there is nothing private
03:20 sdzen even your thoughts arent private
03:21 * VanessaE adjusts her tinfoil hat
03:21 VanessaE you'll never get into MY thoughts! :-)
03:21 NakedFury doesnt work, professor xavier still in your mind
03:21 VanessaE "
03:21 VanessaE Topics with new posts
03:21 VanessaE There are no topics with new posts since your last visit. "
03:21 VanessaE :-(
03:21 VanessaE (where 'last visit' was roughly 5 mins ago :D  )
03:21 RealBadAngel xavier, move a bit, youre not the only one
03:22 Basstard` VanessaE: We put that thought inside your head that tinfoil hats helps to protect you, but actually it gives us greater access.
03:22 Keegan because  cant pass the dumb questions
03:22 VanessaE Keegan: those questions are mainly there to help stop spammers
03:22 VanessaE (robots can't usually answer them but people can)
03:23 Keegan i cant anwser them either
03:23 RealBadAngel does the questions actually check users iq?
03:23 sdzen hmmm maybe your a robot then keegan
03:23 Keegan ok
03:23 sdzen try to open your access port
03:24 Keegan again?
03:24 sdzen yes again
03:24 sdzen once to make sure you have one twice to make sure its not a illusion
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03:25 Keegan gtg good niight yall
03:26 RealBadAngel 23:26 about time
03:27 Basstard` Lookin' like a fool.
03:27 VanessaE ...
03:28 sdzen OP please grant less fool appearance to this Basstard
03:28 RealBadAngel what is the time zone for Oregon?
03:28 VanessaE Pacific
03:28 * Basstard` puts on the music from Black Lamp.
03:28 VanessaE GMT-8 I think
03:28 RealBadAngel and Michigan?
03:28 VanessaE Central (GMT-6) I think
03:28 VanessaE scratch that
03:28 VanessaE Eastern (GMT-5)
03:29 RealBadAngel so 23:26
03:29 sdzen yep
03:29 VanessaE *nod*
03:29 RealBadAngel is Or or michigan?
03:31 mrtux i'm going to bed
03:31 mrtux night
03:31 VanessaE 23:26 would be Michigan
03:33 RealBadAngel yeah, michigan
03:34 RealBadAngel turned off his pc
03:34 RealBadAngel checked
03:49 VanessaE zzz
04:06 loldongs back
04:07 VanessaE wb
04:08 loldongs thanks
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04:58 leo_rockway how to get the name of the node that has just been dug? I'm trying to use after_dig_node = func(pos, oldnode, oldmetadata, digger) but printing oldnode.name doesn't seem to work.
05:08 leo_rockway actually, what I need is something like minetest.register_on_dignode but that happens during digging, not after digging.
05:45 * VanessaE wanders back in, sleepless as usual
06:09 leo_rockway sleepless in Seattle?
06:09 VanessaE weary in Waynesville.
06:10 leo_rockway Bruce Waynesville?
06:10 VanessaE Waynesville, NC where I live
06:10 leo_rockway oh, I have a friend from NC
06:11 leo_rockway actually, he was here too
06:11 leo_rockway Tekk
06:11 VanessaE just "a" friend?  well what am I, chopped liver? ;_)
06:12 VanessaE ;-)
06:12 leo_rockway o.o
06:12 leo_rockway well, I've known Tekk for years now.
06:13 VanessaE I was kidding :-)
06:13 leo_rockway besides, I like chopped liver... *nose up*
06:13 VanessaE haha
06:21 OldCoder <leo_rockway> Bruce Waynesville?
06:21 OldCoder There's a joke they probably haven't heard before :P
06:21 OldCoder :-)
06:22 * OldCoder likes liver too
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06:46 * darkrose pokes VanessaE back
06:47 VanessaE ok, so...  1 vote for the top, 2 for the middle, 4 for the bottom image:
06:47 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/mesecons-testing1.png
06:47 VanessaE also, hi :-)
06:51 VanessaE darkrose: opinions?
06:52 Basstard` I vote for the right one.
06:52 VanessaE ha!
06:54 * darkrose likes the top one
06:55 VanessaE ok, 2:2:4 then.  Here's what's implemented now btw:  digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/mesecons-testing2.pngha
06:55 VanessaE (thicknesses as in the bottom image, with some tweaks)
06:57 VanessaE I think this flushes out the last of the raillike and signlike nodes :-)
06:57 Basstard` How thick do you like it?
06:58 VanessaE that would depend on the quality and the cut ;-)
07:08 VanessaE hyey sfan
07:09 sfan5 hi
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07:13 sfan5 VanessaE: your mesecons nodebox looks awesome
07:13 VanessaE thanks :-)
07:13 VanessaE I did the nodeboxes and textures, jeija did the code :-)
07:20 VanessaE sfan5: which do you prefer of the three?
07:20 sfan5 you made 3 different nodeboxes?
07:21 VanessaE sort of.  load, snap screenshot, shut down, edit the code, repeat
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07:22 VanessaE hm, just realized the "here's how it looks in practice" was a broken link
07:22 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/mesecons-testing2.png
07:22 VanessaE that's better.
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07:27 OldCoder Zzz
07:27 Basstard` Don't sleep, OldCoder. You'll never wake up.
07:27 OldCoder z
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07:28 saschaheylik hey what do you think of this as a main menu background track for minetest? http://www.greatgamemusic.com/free_game_music.php
07:29 VanessaE no music in minetest please :-)
07:29 saschaheylik why not?
07:29 saschaheylik not even in the menu?
07:29 VanessaE not a bad tune though
07:29 VanessaE (the one that played when I clicked the link.  sort of a jungle theme)
07:29 saschaheylik yes that one
07:30 saschaheylik menus without any background music feel sort of "dead"
07:30 saschaheylik i dont see a reason not to use one
07:30 saschaheylik especially if we have the amazing ability to produce buttons that can toggle sound on/off
07:30 VanessaE if it's "free" music, why is there a "buy" button?
07:30 saschaheylik "Contact me using the form on the right to get the full, high-quality version without the watermark - absolutely free :)"
07:31 saschaheylik should i contact him or do you want to?
07:31 VanessaE yeah i saw that
07:31 VanessaE well it's not up to me, it's up to c55 :-)
07:31 saschaheylik isn't it up to everyone and noone?
07:31 saschaheylik open source.. ?
07:32 VanessaE oh sure, but celeron55 still has ultimate authority to accept patches to his code
07:32 saschaheylik i dont see a reason not to include features that can be turned off
07:33 saschaheylik well im putting it in even if its just for me lol
07:33 sfan5 VanessaE: i like the last one
07:33 VanessaE saschaheylik: well ask c55 in -dev and see what he says
07:34 VanessaE sfan5: ok.  that's 2 for the top, 2 for the middle, 5 for the bottom.  I think consensus has been reached ;-)
07:35 VanessaE saschaheylik: you should offer to code a patch to add it (and with a button to disable music)
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07:35 saschaheylik im doing that
07:40 VanessaE sfan5: I think these new nodebox-based wires definitely asks for that tweak I mentioned to the particles mod ;-)
07:40 VanessaE -s
07:40 sfan5 yes
07:41 leo_rockway VanessaE: what tweak?
07:41 leo_rockway I'm hacking on the particles mod right now o.o
07:41 VanessaE (ironically, I still haven't reworked my photorealistic textures to fit the new mesecons models)
07:41 leo_rockway I added on punch to it, so far.
07:41 VanessaE leo_rockway: particles don't spawn centered on torches and mese wires, and they don't spawn often enough in the former case
07:41 VanessaE (IMHO)
07:42 leo_rockway oh, those particles... I'm working on the digging particles.
07:42 VanessaE leo_rockway: you mean particles flying *while* digging?
07:42 leo_rockway mhm
07:42 VanessaE nice!
07:42 leo_rockway but on punch ~= while digging
07:42 leo_rockway it's only on the first punch
07:42 leo_rockway I can't seem to find anything that means "while digging"
07:42 VanessaE you'll figure it out
07:43 saschaheylik could you please summarize the role of mods in minetest so i know what im looking for?
07:44 VanessaE saschaheylik: the purpose of mods is to add extra code to the game, in the form of the LUA language, such at the code results in new features such as more blocks, different behavior with existing items, etc.
07:45 saschaheylik including mobs?
07:45 VanessaE mods do not involve changes to the engine code (unless c55 decides to expose some new API element) but rather are run separately by an LUA engine.
07:45 VanessaE mobs too, yes.
07:45 saschaheylik and other players?
07:45 VanessaE not sure how the game handles other players.
07:45 leo_rockway NPC?
07:45 leo_rockway there are some NPCish mods
07:45 VanessaE NPCs can be added in the form of lua mods, like Workers
07:45 leo_rockway I was thinking of the workers, yes.
07:45 saschaheylik i cant find where the other players are rendered
07:46 saschaheylik i want to make them properly 3d
07:46 VanessaE saschaheylik: forget it.  3d players is off c55's radar
07:46 saschaheylik lol?
07:46 leo_rockway that can't be done with Lua mods. At least not properly.
07:46 VanessaE waste of time unless you can work out how to make a really flexible player model engine
07:46 saschaheylik blocks
07:47 saschaheylik with connections sorta like in gmod if you know it
07:47 leo_rockway that's the "not properly" way that animals uses.
07:47 saschaheylik animals?
07:47 VanessaE in theory a person could make a mob out of several entities
07:47 leo_rockway animals is a mod
07:47 saschaheylik oh
07:47 leo_rockway which is a misnomer, because it also has mobs
07:47 leo_rockway evil mobs
07:48 saschaheylik dont you think that with more or less changes to the code it would work "properly" ?
07:48 VanessaE leo_rockway:     on_dig = func(pos, node, digger),
07:49 VanessaE maybe that function?
07:49 VanessaE ^ default: minetest.node_dig
07:49 VanessaE ^ By default: checks privileges, wears out tool and removes node
07:49 leo_rockway yup, but I couldn't figure out how to use it...
07:49 leo_rockway :S
07:49 leo_rockway minetest.on_dig ?
07:50 VanessaE it would have to be inserted into every register_node call
07:50 xing_zhi put it in your node defs
07:50 leo_rockway oh... mmhh
07:50 leo_rockway but the nodes are already registered
07:50 VanessaE on_dig = function(pos, node, digger)
07:50 VanessaE your code here
07:50 VanessaE end
07:50 VanessaE or something to that effect
07:50 leo_rockway yeah, I thought that it had to be defined on the node defs, but then I have to redefine all the nodes.
07:50 VanessaE (where your code here would preferably be a single function call to your particles routine)
07:51 Basstard` minetest.win_game
07:51 sfan5 leo_rockway: particles while digging are not possible, there are only functions for digging_completed and on_punch
07:52 sfan5 there is no function like minetest.env:is_player_digging(name)
07:52 VanessaE isn't there a function that looks at the pointed node?
07:52 VanessaE and another that gets the node's damage level?
07:53 leo_rockway sfan5: yes, that's what I thought...
07:53 leo_rockway but VanessaE's hack could work...
07:53 VanessaE so use the on_globalstep function to check the current pointed node say 10x a second, at every check take note of the node damage.  If the damage increased since the last check, throw a few particles
07:54 VanessaE (actually, checking maybe 5x/second or even less would do)
07:55 VanessaE hrm, I'm not seeing a function to check a node's damage/wear level, so instead check the *tool*
07:55 VanessaE if the tool's wear level is seen to be increasing, let that be the indicator that the player is digging
07:56 xing_zhi or trow tool particles
07:56 VanessaE get_wear(): returns tool wear (0-65535), 0 for non-tools
07:57 leo_rockway yeah, the problem with using get_wear is that you can dig with your hand or with other blocks.
07:57 VanessaE yeah I know
07:57 VanessaE it's a start though
07:59 VanessaE wait
08:00 VanessaE set a counter each time the user punches
08:00 VanessaE then check the "wear"
08:00 VanessaE if it's 0, update the counter  - this means "digging with a non-tool"\
08:01 VanessaE then check:  if (timer_new != timer_old ) or (wear_new != wear_old) then throw digging particles
08:01 VanessaE sound good?
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08:02 VanessaE hm, that might not work either
08:02 sfan5 VanessaE: the tool wear is only increased when the player finished digging
08:03 VanessaE sfan5: damn it :(
08:03 VanessaE ok we have to go at this manually then
08:03 VanessaE does the game register a punch each time you *click*, or each time your fist/tool *hits* the node?
08:03 sfan5 and on_punch is only called when the player punches the block (only 1 when he starts digging)
08:03 VanessaE damn damn damn
08:03 sfan5 see above
08:03 sfan5 its not possible
08:03 sfan5 i know how minetest works
08:04 leo_rockway can't the health of the node be checked?
08:04 VanessaE apparently not.
08:04 leo_rockway =[
08:04 VanessaE can you watch for a mouse button to go up/down?
08:04 sfan5 no
08:05 VanessaE damn
08:06 sfan5 yes, thats right
08:06 VanessaE can't blame me for looking into it though :-)
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08:18 VanessaE let's see what c55 says to that ;-)
08:20 sfan5 yeah
08:21 VanessaE sfan5: you're up :-)
08:27 leo_rockway I'd also like to get the texture of a node by name... I can't seems to find that either.
08:27 darkrose eww, particles mod's sole purpose is to slow frame-rates to crawl
08:28 sfan5 leo_rockway: minetest.registered_nodes[name].texture or so
08:28 VanessaE darkrose: so let only users with good video cards use it :-)
08:28 leo_rockway okay... then don't install it.
08:28 leo_rockway sfan5: awesome!
08:37 xing_zhi argh, reading dev log, but i gotta go. bye
08:37 VanessaE er, bye?
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08:41 VanessaE cal
08:41 Calinou inou
08:41 Calinou hi ;)
08:42 VanessaE Calinou: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/mesecons-testing2.png
08:42 VanessaE nodebox mesecons :-)
08:42 Calinou looks good
08:42 Calinou *switches to misa's pack*
08:42 Calinou looks like crap
08:42 VanessaE haha
08:42 Calinou ^ how I feel when previously-2D blocks turn 3D using nodeboxes
08:43 VanessaE actually these should look good among misa's textures also, save for being low-resolution compared.
08:43 Calinou download link for the 3d mesecons?
08:43 Calinou so that I can test :P
08:44 VanessaE you need this:  https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons
08:44 VanessaE and this:  https://github.com/VanessaE/mesecon-wires-new
08:44 VanessaE you'll need to uninstall your old mesecons mod (and back it up) and switch to these two
08:45 Calinou works with 0.4.1, or is 0.4.2 required?
08:45 leo_rockway I hate Lua. I could be doing things so much faster in Python :S
08:45 VanessaE Calinou: tested under 0.4.1
08:45 VanessaE should work in 0.4.2 also
08:45 Calinou leo_rockway, python is slower
08:46 Calinou and sucks a lot
08:46 leo_rockway -.-
08:46 Calinou OMG 2.6 2.7 3.0 4.999999
08:46 leo_rockway /ignore Calinou
08:46 leo_rockway don't insult Python D:
08:46 Calinou ^ the version issues with python drive people away
08:46 leo_rockway there are two versions
08:46 cy1 leo_rockway: how about that print statement syntax?
08:46 leo_rockway 2.7 and 3.x
08:46 VanessaE leo_rockway: python is why Inkscape sucks :-)
08:47 leo_rockway Inkscape sucks?
08:47 Calinou yet is the only good free SVG editor
08:47 VanessaE don't get me wrong it's a good program
08:47 VanessaE but let's face it.  sometimes it just gets *stupid* :-)
08:47 leo_rockway how do I implement a simple try except in Lua?
08:47 cy1 leo_rockway: how about that complete lack of support for tail call optimization?
08:47 leo_rockway cy1: I have no idea what that is.
08:47 cy1 of course you don't. You like python!
08:48 VanessaE leo_rockway: "a simple try"?
08:48 leo_rockway VanessaE: I barely ever touched Inkscape...
08:48 cy1 "simple" try <_<
08:48 leo_rockway VanessaE: try -> except
08:48 Calinou yay, mesecons work as a mod pack
08:48 Calinou crafted mesecons from mese are 2D though
08:48 cy1 leo_rockway: pcall, at any rate. result, err = pcall(...) then an if statement if result is nil or somethin
08:48 VanessaE Calinou: it's still experimental
08:48 VanessaE Calinou: /giveme wires:00000000_off 999
08:48 leo_rockway stupid Lua
08:49 cy1 0000000? c.C
08:49 VanessaE (there are exactly eight 0's there)
08:49 VanessaE cy1: binary. :-)
08:49 cy1 sounds hackish
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08:49 VanessaE it's a hack but a beautiful one :-)
08:49 Calinou hacks
08:49 * Calinou runs away with a bicycle
08:49 VanessaE I'll add an alias later so you can just /giveme wires:wire or something
08:50 Calinou works! these have separate textures so they don't have misa textures
08:50 VanessaE correct
08:50 cy1 Oh hey how about when you use loop variables in closures, all the closures use the last iteration not the one in which they were created? That drives me nuts about python.
08:51 Calinou hold on, adding misa pack support to your 3D mesecons :P
08:51 cy1 Also, twisted. :<
08:51 VanessaE wait
08:51 VanessaE not yet
08:51 Calinou why?
08:52 VanessaE don't go modifying your tex pack, this is still experimental.
08:53 VanessaE Calinou: please re-pull the wires repo.
08:53 VanessaE you can now /giveme wires:wire
08:57 VanessaE there, gave the default wire a meaningful description.
08:57 VanessaE ("Mesecons Wire")
08:59 Calinou ah okay
09:00 Calinou irrelevant, but how I feel about minecraft lava sometimes: http://i.imgur.com/gzesm.jpg
09:00 Calinou :P
09:00 VanessaE haha
09:01 VanessaE Calinou: re-pull again to get that last bit with the fixed description.
09:01 Calinou windows doesn't know the word "pull", only "redownload the zipball" :p
09:01 VanessaE ok then do that :-)
09:01 VanessaE (I'm kinda surprised there isn't a decent git client for windows by now)
09:01 Calinou inefficient since 2007(R)
09:02 Calinou tortoisegit is horribly borked
09:02 VanessaE heh
09:02 Calinou it brings my CPU usage to 100% and flashes icon thumbnails
09:02 Calinou this is why I uninstalled it
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09:22 * VanessaE waits patiently for jeija to return
09:23 VanessaE I must have commentary from him re: my latest commits :-)
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10:25 Calinou redcrab, tu devrais mettre à jour moreblocks sur ton serv ^^
10:26 thexyz is there a way to disable debug.txt completly?
10:26 VanessaE thexyz: symlink to /dev/null ?
10:26 VanessaE Calinou: give up.  I've been bugging him for weeks to add some of my mods too and he won't :-)
10:27 thexyz too hacky =(
10:27 thexyz but stil acceptable
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10:36 RealBadAngel hi every1
10:36 PilzAdam hi
10:37 RealBadAngel sorry for delay with release
10:37 RealBadAngel i found just before uploading upate a very nasty bug
10:37 RealBadAngel was fighting with it whole night
10:38 VanessaE hey RBA
10:38 RealBadAngel hello V
10:39 RealBadAngel i will just drink one beer, take a shover and go ahead with code
10:40 PilzAdam drink 2 and the code will work!
10:40 RealBadAngel i do live in suburb
10:41 RealBadAngel and had such luck today, since its weekend
10:41 RealBadAngel that next bus could come in 1,5h
10:41 RealBadAngel so decided to walk
10:41 RealBadAngel 15km
10:42 RealBadAngel because i was late 2min for previous one
10:43 RealBadAngel on the bus stop there were sittin two women, aged like 60, maybe little more
10:44 RealBadAngel and when i asked if the bus was there (because time can vary, minutes)
10:44 RealBadAngel they said no, we still waitin,it should come any minute now
10:45 RealBadAngel so waited too
10:45 RealBadAngel 15 minutes no bus at all
10:45 RealBadAngel checked the time table on the bus stop
10:45 RealBadAngel checked calendar in my cell phone
10:46 RealBadAngel and asked those women
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10:46 RealBadAngel do you know that we have saturday today? (buses have then differnt plan)
10:47 RealBadAngel i heard:o fuck
10:47 VanessaE haha
10:51 RealBadAngel believe me, very funny to hear two old woman say together like in choir: fuck.
10:52 VanessaE lol
10:53 * VanessaE looks out the window, looks at the clock, and looks out the window again.
10:53 RealBadAngel checkin if its saturday outside?
10:53 VanessaE 06:53 and I have not yet slept.  Another all-nighter.  gevalt
10:54 RealBadAngel w?
10:55 RealBadAngel gewalt you meant?
10:55 VanessaE gevalt.
10:55 VanessaE as in Oy Gevalt.
10:55 VanessaE (never seen it spelled German-style)
10:55 PilzAdam A yiddish term meaning "Oh goodness!" An expression of utmost anxiety or shock. from http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=oy%20gevalt
10:56 RealBadAngel gwewalt = means violence
10:56 PilzAdam its german
10:56 PilzAdam but gevalt is not gewalt
10:56 VanessaE Yiddish != German :-)
10:56 RealBadAngel oh, yidish
10:56 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, your german?
10:56 RealBadAngel sounded german to me
10:57 RealBadAngel no, but lived by berlin for a few years
10:57 RealBadAngel in Zossen
10:57 PilzAdam dont know
10:57 PilzAdam i live in Niedersachsen
10:58 RealBadAngel during WW2 general Abwhera HQ was there
10:58 PilzAdam Niedersachsen in english is Lower Saxony
10:58 PilzAdam :)
10:58 RealBadAngel nieder means down, low
10:58 PilzAdam yes
10:59 RealBadAngel NiederLands = self explaining
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11:00 RealBadAngel hi troll
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11:00 RealBadAngel hows the saturday?
11:00 NekoGloop Hello stupid
11:00 PilzAdam Hi all
11:00 NekoGloop I just woke up
11:00 Cornernote Hey
11:00 RealBadAngel now?
11:00 NekoGloop A few minutes ago
11:00 PilzAdam i woke up a hour ago
11:00 VanessaE neko
11:00 RealBadAngel 11am?
11:01 NekoGloop Its 7am here
11:01 RealBadAngel lucky you that u can
11:01 PilzAdam 1pm
11:01 NekoGloop Vanessae, what?
11:01 RealBadAngel ctcp said 11am
11:01 VanessaE NekoGloop - mesecons test code.  Get THIS:  https://github.com/Jeija/mesecon-wires-new
11:01 VanessaE and THIS: https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons
11:01 NekoGloop I'm still on my ipad
11:01 VanessaE heh ok
11:01 PilzAdam Apple = quality shit
11:02 NekoGloop I think i can download it then transfer to my comp though
11:03 NekoGloop Well no sh
11:03 NekoGloop Imfrifmds
11:03 NekoGloop Damn this keyboard
11:03 NekoGloop Well no shit the ipad cant read the file.
11:04 * RealBadAngel opens that 2nd beer. once done with it i will quit irc for a while. talkin too much doesnt speed code ;)
11:04 VanessaE RealBadAngel: maybe not but socializing is good for the mind and soul
11:04 VanessaE or some other metaphysical shit :-)
11:04 RealBadAngel indeed
11:05 RealBadAngel that piece you called insane....
11:05 RealBadAngel its up to you
11:05 NekoGloop Wireless items need to be available again :P
11:05 RealBadAngel talked coded
11:05 VanessaE NekoGloop: jeija needs help with the code for those
11:05 RealBadAngel with wireless?
11:06 VanessaE RealBadAngel: I forgot the insane comment, refresh my memory please :-)
11:06 VanessaE yeah, wireless devices in mesecons are broken and when last I read, jeija didn't know how to fix the,
11:06 VanessaE them*
11:06 RealBadAngel it was like "you, sir, are fuckin insane"
11:06 * RealBadAngel bows down
11:06 VanessaE RealBadAngel: that was a complement :-)
11:07 NekoGloop Did mesecon torches obtain {mesecon=1}? Last change to those was 10 days ago...
11:07 VanessaE [08-08 00:27] <VanessaE> RealBadAngel: *looks at code*  you, sir, are fucking insane :-)
11:07 VanessaE [08-08 00:27] <RealBadAngel> lol
11:07 VanessaE [08-08 00:27] <RealBadAngel> why?
11:07 VanessaE [08-08 00:28] <VanessaE> this is genius.  needs some comments btw
11:07 RealBadAngel and that was like best one i heard even on my code
11:07 RealBadAngel thank you
11:07 VanessaE NekoGloop: no, they didn't because torches aren't used like most other blocks.
11:08 NekoGloop And movestones were last edited 2months ago
11:08 VanessaE NekoGloop: you stick them onto the side of a block, pointing "outward"
11:08 VanessaE but maybe they should be.
11:08 RealBadAngel back to wireless
11:08 RealBadAngel i think i know wheres the problem
11:09 NekoGloop Did rba release his code finally?
11:09 RealBadAngel unloading chunks
11:09 RealBadAngel once unloaded all such stuff will stop
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11:09 RealBadAngel we need to create somehow a fake player
11:10 RealBadAngel havin such fake in place, chunks will stay loaded
11:10 PilzAdam this would slow down the server
11:11 RealBadAngel just a few chunks wont slow it down too much
11:11 RealBadAngel i mean blocks
11:11 RealBadAngel chunk is mc word
11:11 PilzAdam i know
11:11 PilzAdam this is a engine thing
11:12 thexyz RealBadAngel: what do you mean by "few blocks"?
11:12 thexyz its count will increase and increase
11:12 RealBadAngel +3 each direction?
11:12 thexyz that's even worse
11:12 RealBadAngel inside such zone there will be another space to build a base
11:13 RealBadAngel minecraft modders made such stuff
11:13 RealBadAngel its called for example "World Anchor"
11:13 RealBadAngel and can be even put into cart
11:13 VanessaE NekoGloop: fixed.  re-pull from mesecons repo.
11:14 VanessaE from mine that is.
11:14 RealBadAngel so trains can travel without need of player to be around
11:14 PilzAdam how can i add this to my carts?
11:14 PilzAdam have to go
11:14 RealBadAngel like a chest, same way
11:14 VanessaE THIS one, https://github.com/VanessaE/minetest-mod-mesecons
11:14 VanessaE and THIS one, https://github.com/VanessaE/mesecon-wires-new
11:15 VanessaE (I linked to jeija's the first time, but his is not up-to-date with my changes yet)
11:15 RealBadAngel but still, need that fake player
11:15 RealBadAngel once done, can be moved with pos like
11:15 RealBadAngel and placed
11:16 RealBadAngel and will keep the blocks loaded
11:16 VanessaE how do you get rid of them?
11:16 RealBadAngel once put inside cart, it will just move along
11:16 RealBadAngel like real player
11:17 NekoGloop I imagine you get rid of them by killing them ;)
11:17 RealBadAngel lol
11:17 RealBadAngel it shall be a node like
11:17 RealBadAngel possible to place
11:18 RealBadAngel like u choose place for your base
11:18 RealBadAngel place the anchor in center
11:18 RealBadAngel so all your machines will work even youre away for mining
11:19 RealBadAngel and your trains will be goin around
11:19 RealBadAngel for example like in RailCraft mod,one with bore on it, makin tunnels
11:21 RealBadAngel when worried bout server load limit usage for 1 or 2 anchors per player
11:21 VanessaE +
11:21 VanessaE oops
11:22 RealBadAngel i did such thing with chests networks
11:22 RealBadAngel called node subspace beacon
11:22 RealBadAngel and storing in it network data
11:23 VanessaE "subspace beacon" heh
11:24 OldCoder 4:22am VanessaE: You weren't kidding
11:24 OldCoder Hmm
11:24 * OldCoder read that as subspace bacon
11:25 * VanessaE hands OldCoder some (virtual) eggs and cheese
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11:25 * OldCoder reviews the virtual comestibles with interest
11:25 * OldCoder consumes the virtual comestibles with interest
11:27 VanessaE hehe
11:30 * NekoGloop picks up his evil sword
11:31 * NekoGloop swings it at vanessae
11:31 * VanessaE dodges skillfully
11:31 RealBadAngel i thout for a minute i messen it with bacon lol
11:31 RealBadAngel *messed
11:32 RealBadAngel luckily i havent ;)
11:33 * NekoGloop swings again
11:33 * VanessaE dodges skillfully
11:34 RealBadAngel http://translate.google.pl/?hl=pl&amp;tab=wT#en/pl/beacon
11:34 * NekoGloop grabs another evil sword and swings them both at vanessae
11:34 RealBadAngel 2nd meanin is exactly i meant
11:35 * VanessaE counters with ...some random "good" thing...   *evil swords disintegrate*
11:36 * NekoGloop gets fourth-wa
11:36 NekoGloop Ljfnnfjdnsdk
11:36 RealBadAngel whizzzzz. red light saber turned on. who wants to be sliced? ;)
11:36 NekoGloop Im outta here
11:36 VanessaE ?
11:36 RealBadAngel lol
11:37 VanessaE oh well, I need to sleep now.  I'm about out of gas.
11:37 RealBadAngel ok, i will take the shift
11:38 * VanessaE hands RealBadAngel a spare iteration of her Furious Wind move, just in case.
11:38 RealBadAngel oke doke, area secured
11:38 VanessaE (imagine an EF-5 tornado emanating from your hands in whatever direction your palms are pointing)
11:38 RealBadAngel you may sleep well now
11:39 VanessaE ciao :-)
11:39 RealBadAngel c ya later aligator ;)
11:42 RealBadAngel came around lately around very interesting and innovative mod
11:42 RealBadAngel for minecraft
11:42 RealBadAngel who is makin nether mod for mt?
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11:43 NekoGloop Hello again :3
11:43 RealBadAngel he should take a look on this:
11:43 RealBadAngel http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/918541-125-mystcraft-09100/
11:44 RealBadAngel this idea rocks
11:46 RealBadAngel before any one ask bout server load
11:46 NekoGloop What about server load?
11:46 * NekoGloop trolololo's off
11:46 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQy8SOuHY4k
11:46 tripod YEAH
11:46 tripod boiz.
11:47 RealBadAngel look at it in action
11:47 tripod looks cool RealBadAngel
11:47 RealBadAngel SMP server with ALL the minecraft modders on it
11:48 RealBadAngel all that count at least ;)
11:49 tripod :D
11:49 RealBadAngel lol
11:50 NekoGloop Lolwat
11:50 RealBadAngel that nick change
11:50 ReallySexyDevil you jelly
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11:50 ReallySexyDevil imo
11:50 RealBadAngel @cornernote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQy8SOuHY4k
11:51 RealBadAngel take a look. interesting stuff
11:52 * cornernote looks
11:53 cornernote do u play there?
11:54 RealBadAngel no. i do watch DireWolf20's vids
11:55 RealBadAngel he is makin letsplays,mod spotlights
11:55 RealBadAngel hes good with it
11:56 cornernote basically watch to get mod ideas?
11:56 RealBadAngel on this particular server, multiplayer one he plays with almost all the best minecraft modders
11:56 NekoGloop I watch whoever the hell comes up on a search
11:56 RealBadAngel check his channel
11:57 RealBadAngel and season 2 of letsplay
11:57 cornernote i like these ones: http://www.youtube.com/user/CodeCrafted?feature=watch
11:57 cornernote i was thinking of trying to replicate some of the simple games
12:01 cornernote really like this one -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT-WciX7vDU&amp;list=PL818997AE9E1D0B0C&amp;index=2&amp;feature=plcp
12:01 RealBadAngel so
12:01 RealBadAngel what will you say, sir, bout this:
12:01 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fi4gvDXBX4
12:03 cornernote nice.. uses that advanced wiring mod
12:03 cornernote i love redstone/mesecon contraptions
12:03 cornernote cant wait to see more in MT
12:04 RealBadAngel or this
12:04 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpFfrQf53Xo&amp;feature=related
12:04 RealBadAngel that is coool
12:04 RealBadAngel using carts for timing
12:05 cornernote how do those wires work?  like is there 2 blocks in 1 place?
12:05 cornernote or is it 1 block that represents the 2 coloured wires
12:05 RealBadAngel bunch of cables
12:05 RealBadAngel 16 signals in one cable
12:05 cornernote so its a single "item"
12:06 RealBadAngel bundled cable its called
12:06 cornernote cool
12:06 RealBadAngel and takes just one node
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12:06 RealBadAngel allows to make real complex stuff
12:07 cornernote yeah, and small
12:07 RealBadAngel exactly
12:07 RealBadAngel together with logic blocks
12:07 RealBadAngel gates
12:07 RealBadAngel its perfect
12:07 cornernote love your power stuff, when are you planning on sharing?
12:07 RealBadAngel and makes RedPower2 mod the best mod for minecraft imho
12:08 RealBadAngel was about to upload it last night
12:08 RealBadAngel but when testing i encountered a very nasty bug
12:09 RealBadAngel and was forced to find a solution
12:09 RealBadAngel needed to rebuild them all placing algorithms
12:09 RealBadAngel *then
12:10 RealBadAngel it was about to make wires do autocompletion on remove
12:10 RealBadAngel thought it shall be piece of cake
12:10 NekoGloop Well my personal fav part of mesecons is microcontrollers ;)
12:10 RealBadAngel since i wanted just to mirror rules
12:11 RealBadAngel but then game started to crash all the time
12:11 RealBadAngel im not quite sure if its my fault
12:11 RealBadAngel but when using on_destruct
12:11 RealBadAngel it was hell
12:12 RealBadAngel sometimes my routines were called like 100 times on removing one node
12:12 RealBadAngel sometimes not even once
12:12 cornernote strange
12:13 RealBadAngel rebult them
12:13 RealBadAngel and using differnt way now
12:13 RealBadAngel but im pretty sure on_destruct is fucked up
12:14 cornernote i have never used it
12:14 NekoGloop Isnt it after_destroy or something?
12:14 RealBadAngel there is other
12:14 RealBadAngel works almost the same
12:15 cornernote is it called when you do remove() instead of dig() ?
12:15 cornernote aswell
12:15 RealBadAngel lemme check
12:16 RealBadAngel after_dig_node = func(pos, oldnode, oldmetadata, digger),
12:16 RealBadAngel ^ oldmetadata is in table format
12:16 RealBadAngel ^ Called after destructing node when node was dug using
12:16 RealBadAngel minetest.node_dig
12:16 RealBadAngel ^ default: nil
12:16 cornernote wht not just use on_dig() ?
12:16 cornernote yeah that one - after
12:16 RealBadAngel i was tryin to use this one
12:16 RealBadAngel on_destruct = func(pos),
12:16 RealBadAngel ^ Node destructor; always called before removing node
12:16 RealBadAngel ^ default: nil
12:16 cornernote after_dig_node()(
12:16 NekoGloop That registers when you hit it.
12:17 RealBadAngel it was logical since i do need nodes meta before its gone
12:17 NekoGloop On_dig registers as soon as you smack a node, like switches in mesecons.
12:17 cornernote ok, and u want it to reshape when removed even if not dug
12:17 RealBadAngel to make reverse steps as it were created
12:18 RealBadAngel using it caused such errors
12:19 RealBadAngel on_construct works perfect
12:19 RealBadAngel on_destruct is propably fucked up
12:20 RealBadAngel i say propably since i can also make mistakes
12:20 NekoGloop No, it's just you ;)
12:20 RealBadAngel but believe me whole night was tryin to get it to work
12:21 RealBadAngel at the very end i just left print("shit") in routine
12:21 RealBadAngel and ended with endless shit in log
12:22 NekoGloop No, print("you have totally fucked up minetest now") ;)
12:22 RealBadAngel we can laugh, but its not actually funny ;)
12:23 RealBadAngel oh shit
12:24 RealBadAngel my log is over half a gig :)
12:24 cornernote haha
12:24 cornernote from how many games ?
12:25 RealBadAngel i think whole is just 2 days old
12:26 RealBadAngel checked last entries
12:26 RealBadAngel it wasnt actually "shit"
12:26 RealBadAngel it was polish word for ass
12:26 RealBadAngel "dupa"
12:26 RealBadAngel slang: done but wrong
12:27 RealBadAngel removing the node effected with 57 times "dupa" in log
12:29 RealBadAngel so it implies that on_destruct was called 57 times when removing one node
12:29 NekoGloop It's AS your destroying the node
12:29 NekoGloop Not as it is destroyed
12:30 RealBadAngel dont know whats the reason
12:30 RealBadAngel dropped this way
12:31 RealBadAngel 57 times
12:32 RealBadAngel think bout it
12:32 RealBadAngel something here is wrong
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12:33 NekoGloop Hello nakedfury
12:34 NakedFury hello
12:35 NekoGloop Maybe your fury needs some clothes ;)
12:45 NekoGloop Should i go on my computer and actually install these mods?
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13:01 RealBadAngel hi sdzen
13:01 sdzen ello
13:02 RealBadAngel better mood today? :)
13:02 sdzen better sleep today
13:02 RealBadAngel so i guess better mood then too
13:03 sdzen yep aside from the fact that despite being told I have internet by the computer i cant run any webpages
13:03 OldCoder sdzen, Explain
13:03 sdzen only IRC seems to be working
13:03 sdzen :P
13:03 OldCoder Windows ?
13:03 RealBadAngel got fixed ip?
13:03 sdzen linux
13:03 sdzen non fixed IP
13:03 OldCoder Should be easy to check
13:03 NakedFury that happens to me
13:04 OldCoder Is this DNS ?
13:04 RealBadAngel hmmmm
13:04 OldCoder Run nslookup
13:04 OldCoder server 8.8.8.8
13:04 OldCoder google.com
13:04 OldCoder Indicate output
13:04 RealBadAngel i think i have a solution for ya
13:04 RealBadAngel seen my http?
13:04 RealBadAngel its realbadangel.pl
13:05 RealBadAngel 100mb space
13:05 RealBadAngel ftp, email client
13:05 RealBadAngel for 2 yrs its free
13:05 NekoGloop Tell your computer to not block your internet client ;)
13:06 thexyz sdzen: ping 8.8.8.8 ?
13:06 RealBadAngel check 1and1 company
13:06 sdzen hmmmm
13:06 RealBadAngel its a german one but operates in poland too
13:07 RealBadAngel and i think even worldwide
13:07 sdzen ill just ignore that everything suddenly started working again :P
13:07 NekoGloop Ok then
13:08 RealBadAngel http://www.1and1.com/
13:08 RealBadAngel take a look
13:08 RealBadAngel note: im not workin here ;) just using it and found it good
13:09 RealBadAngel talkin to the mirror. the best ;)
13:09 NekoGloop Yup
13:10 NekoGloop Likely he crashed his computer
13:10 RealBadAngel i know he likes to experiment
13:11 RealBadAngel but he sometimes pushes it to far ;)
13:11 NekoGloop Speaking of experimenting, any ideas for extending mesecons?
13:11 RealBadAngel yes
13:11 NekoGloop Other than water turbines that work with lava ;)
13:12 RealBadAngel but i think jeija should be also here for such kind of talk
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13:12 NekoGloop Lol he'a back :)
13:12 NekoGloop He's*
13:12 sdzen of course im back
13:12 NekoGloop What did you do?
13:13 * RealBadAngel checks the list. no jeija. no mesecons talk ;)
13:13 NekoGloop Mesecons mesecons mesecons mesecons
13:13 RealBadAngel no way sir
13:13 NekoGloop MESECONS MESECONS MESECONS MESECONS
13:14 RealBadAngel i will say just one thing
13:14 RealBadAngel RS nor latch
13:14 NekoGloop MEEEEEEEEEEESECONS,
13:14 RealBadAngel one block
13:14 OldCoder sdzen, wb
13:14 NekoGloop MMMMMMMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSEEEECOOOOOOOOOOONNNSSSSSSS~
13:14 RealBadAngel once dode we can talk further
13:14 RealBadAngel *done
13:15 NekoGloop RS?
13:15 RealBadAngel ask uncle
13:15 NekoGloop ... So a nor block?
13:15 NekoGloop Ehic
13:15 NekoGloop Kefndsfnsjgnifs
13:16 NekoGloop That already exists in microcontroller
13:16 RealBadAngel http://www.play-hookey.com/digital/rs_nor_latch.html
13:16 RealBadAngel i need it outside
13:16 RealBadAngel for control logic
13:17 NekoGloop if(!A|!B) on(C)
13:17 NekoGloop NOR gate complete, i think
13:18 NekoGloop Idk
13:18 NekoGloop Needs an off event
13:19 NekoGloop if(A=B) off(C); if(A!=B) on(C);
13:19 NekoGloop That makes it so it can only have one input at a time, which i think is XOR
13:20 NekoGloop Assuming != is a valid operator
13:20 NekoGloop I think that != is the same as ~
13:21 NekoGloop I wonder if minetest runs on my ipad with remote desktop...
13:22 NekoGloop Hm... RS NOR == NAND, right
13:23 NekoGloop .
13:23 NekoGloop ?*
13:25 NekoGloop RealBadAngel: RS NOR == NAND, right?
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13:28 NekoGloop Ohai calinou
13:28 Calinou hi
13:28 NekoGloop Welcome to people fighting over mesecons microcontroller abilities ;)
13:29 Calinou wait
13:29 Calinou let me implement nvidia GPUs in minetest
13:29 Calinou i'll make their drivers proprietary
13:30 NekoGloop Lolno
13:30 Calinou :)
13:30 NekoGloop RS NOR latch == NAND, right?
13:31 Calinou nope
13:31 Calinou not at all
13:31 NekoGloop Ok then
13:31 Calinou NAND: if both inputs are off output is on
13:31 NekoGloop Explain how RS NOR is different
13:32 Calinou RS NOR is harder to explain... eg. if you change input 1 the output toggles. but to re-toggle the output you have to flip input 2, not input 1
13:32 Calinou see minecraft wiki for details :p
13:32 NekoGloop Ok... So... I have no idea
13:33 vicscandl Calinou: i was thinking of writing something that reads schematics and then drops a worldedit file that would produce said schematic in MT
13:34 Calinou worldedit can into schematics already
13:34 Calinou //load and //save
13:34 vicscandl oh, nice...
13:34 NekoGloop Meow~ :3
13:34 vicscandl i was thinking more like, feed it an apple //e schem and poof...
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13:35 vicscandl ie util, not in game
13:35 NekoGloop ...
13:36 * vicscandl can hear all them gears grinding...
13:36 NekoGloop Wat
13:36 * NekoGloop 's gears are ground into oblivion
13:36 vicscandl ok think like this autocad file -> worldedit bulid but now think mesecons
13:37 NekoGloop MY HEEEEAD HUUUUUUUURTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
13:37 vicscandl does anything like that exist yet?
13:38 OldCoder <NekoGloop> Meow~ :3
13:38 OldCoder Remind me to introduce you to Bonsai Kitten
13:38 NekoGloop Yes?
13:38 NekoGloop Who dat?
13:39 OldCoder He meows a bit too. He's Gentoo; mentioned him before.
13:39 Calinou gentoo >:(
13:39 NekoGloop Mrowr!
13:39 OldCoder Calinou, good morning
13:39 Calinou afternoon here
13:39 Calinou europe FTW
13:39 OldCoder Good $Greeting {$ENV {TZ}}
13:40 vicscandl moof says the dogcow.
13:40 NekoGloop Mrowr says the catdino
13:41 vicscandl OldCoder: niceone btw
13:41 Calinou good $EDITOR
13:41 OldCoder vicscandl, ty
13:42 vicscandl OldCoder: clispeak is total OG
13:42 OldCoder vicscandl, All right
13:42 * OldCoder has been CLI for some time now
13:43 * OldCoder assumes he is interpreting the term CLI correctly
13:43 vicscandl bleh, nearing 40... clin3rd for life.
13:43 vicscandl command line interface
13:43 OldCoder As expected
13:43 * OldCoder is sort of CLI
13:44 vicscandl cut my teeth on 6502asm over 30 years ago. :)
13:44 * OldCoder looks up
13:44 OldCoder Did we talk previously?
13:44 OldCoder 30 years ago?
13:44 vicscandl prob
13:44 vicscandl hahaa
13:44 OldCoder But you are a pup :-)
13:45 * OldCoder remembers Model 33 ASR
13:45 OldCoder Does that count as CLI :-) ?
13:45 vicscandl been at this since 8. old man was an EE geek...
13:45 OldCoder EE geek
13:45 OldCoder can be good
13:45 vicscandl yea, i'm showing him mesecons when he gets back from his walkabout
13:45 * OldCoder googles the term mesecons
13:46 vicscandl its a MT mod here
13:46 RealBadAngel @OldCoder: Z80 demoscene coder here. but i do remember 6502 too
13:46 OldCoder Found it
13:46 OldCoder RealBadAngel, Yes
13:46 OldCoder Little brother tore apart a Pong game
13:46 OldCoder to get the 6502
13:46 OldCoder Made a little PC out of it
13:46 vicscandl Z80, nice...
13:47 * OldCoder used to code in 8085
13:47 RealBadAngel im pretty sure i had ALL machines built on z80
13:47 vicscandl my pops has a working pong machine in his office at home... so jealous!
13:47 RealBadAngel sinclairs, amstrads, timex
13:47 RealBadAngel polish and russian ones too
13:47 OldCoder NekoGloop, Mr. Kitten says: meow?
13:47 RealBadAngel Sam Coupe
13:48 NekoGloop Mrowr!!
13:48 RealBadAngel i do have Sam Coupe by now
13:48 vicscandl and damn, the demoscene... brings back memories
13:49 RealBadAngel Z80 system, with 512kb of memory, paged, 3,5fdd
13:49 RealBadAngel bleeding edge as for an 8bit system
13:49 vicscandl quite
13:50 RealBadAngel a second...
13:50 vicscandl one of these days i'll have to go get an emulator and screw around again
13:50 vicscandl z80 with access to a g of ram and tb of hd... mmmmmmmmm
13:50 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2oLYC5PigE
13:51 vicscandl pr0n?
13:51 vicscandl heheh
13:51 RealBadAngel one of the last demoes my by us
13:51 vicscandl watching now, thx
13:51 RealBadAngel scroll is on border
13:52 RealBadAngel hardcoded each processor tact
13:53 NekoGloop Uhm... Bouncy ball with words scrolling too fast on the top... >.>
13:53 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnhM2w3CGkA&amp;feature=relmfu
13:53 RealBadAngel this entirely my part of the demo
13:54 RealBadAngel and one and the only try to use musicmaker lol
13:54 NekoGloop Lol
13:54 vicscandl <had sound off, kid still sleeping>
13:54 OldCoder NekoGloop, I have been advised: "beware bonsaikitten's attempts to enclose catdino in a jar." This is a reference to the original Bonsai Kitten advertisement. Such a product exists.
13:55 OldCoder Catjar
13:55 NekoGloop Mrowr!!
13:55 OldCoder :-)
13:55 NekoGloop 3
13:55 NekoGloop :3
13:55 * NekoGloop is a neko... Not catdino ;3
13:55 RealBadAngel and thats one of my games:
13:55 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noKH_RXHrVI
13:56 vicscandl amiga?
13:56 RealBadAngel still Z80
13:57 NekoGloop Could the scrolling words -not- bounce please?
13:57 RealBadAngel bouncing was cool those days ;)
13:58 vicscandl RealBadAngel: this is nice work man.
13:58 NekoGloop Holy crap big snake
13:58 NekoGloop Pacman meets snake ;)
13:59 vicscandl wow, round 2 takes a bit to pattern out... :)
13:59 * OldCoder saw the phrase catdino used
13:59 NekoGloop I'm a NEKO
13:59 NekoGloop NOT A CATDINO
14:00 OldCoder Very well
14:00 OldCoder The fact will be publicized
14:00 OldCoder Far and wide
14:00 NekoGloop Lol
14:00 NekoGloop It's in my name ;)
14:00 NekoGloop Do you even know what a neko is?
14:00 Calinou <vicscandl> watching now, thx
14:00 Calinou lol
14:01 RealBadAngel oh shit
14:01 RealBadAngel i just realized something
14:01 RealBadAngel lemme find it
14:01 vicscandl Calinou: wat?
14:01 Calinou the
14:02 OldCoder NekoGloop, when you came up and licked me a few days ago I told you as much
14:02 * OldCoder had a neko desktop toy a decade or two back
14:02 NekoGloop When the hell did i do that lol
14:02 OldCoder Somebody with your handle did so recently
14:02 * OldCoder was not sure of the social conventions involved
14:02 RealBadAngel i just realized i made a game like 15 yrs ago
14:02 RealBadAngel and it was called "Craft!"
14:03 RealBadAngel hehehehe
14:03 OldCoder RealBadAngel, Just Craft?
14:03 OldCoder Not AngelCraft etc. ?
14:03 RealBadAngel "Craft!"
14:03 OldCoder It is an inspiring title
14:03 OldCoder Promises much
14:03 RealBadAngel it was about pipes
14:03 OldCoder Not simply minecraft or baconcraft
14:04 RealBadAngel lookin like puzzles or electric curcuits
14:04 RealBadAngel you had to make them work in given time
14:04 vicscandl RealBadAngel: nicely done... "you are placed at sixth position"... thanks for sharing.
14:05 * NekoGloop smacks #minetest
14:06 RealBadAngel if notch will ask bout the name with craft in it
14:06 RealBadAngel he can go to hell now ;)
14:06 RealBadAngel i was way before him lol
14:07 RealBadAngel 1993 i think
14:08 NekoGloop And infiminer is before minecraft and of notch thinks he has copyright issues he just needs to look at that ;)
14:08 NekoGloop If, not of
14:08 vicscandl MC, the apple of the voxelverse...
14:09 vicscandl funny thing tho, i've never played it outside of the free personal edition on my kindle
14:10 RealBadAngel found it at last
14:10 RealBadAngel http://www.ysrnry.co.uk/articles/samdyadic.htm
14:10 vicscandl but when you google "linux minecraft" ....
14:10 RealBadAngel those two games were released in a pack called Dyadic
14:11 RealBadAngel SnakeMania and Craft!
14:13 NekoGloop I'm gonna go now, bbl.
14:13 vicscandl RealBadAngel: a game called fish and chips above it, classic shit...
14:14 RealBadAngel i know it wasnt a miracle
14:14 vicscandl btw, its nice to know i'm not the only old fart in here
14:14 NekoGloop Atm i'm the only youngin
14:14 RealBadAngel in 1993 i was just 20
14:15 vicscandl RealBadAngel: aye, 19 for me
14:15 NekoGloop Bai
14:15 vicscandl NekoGloop: wave!
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14:15 * NekoGloop waves goodbye
14:15 RealBadAngel i dont feel like fart tho ;)
14:16 vicscandl ok, old coder then...
14:16 RealBadAngel way better ;)
14:17 RealBadAngel i always say
14:17 RealBadAngel that can never calculated CPU cyclces to make loops run faster
14:17 OldCoder vicscandl, yes?
14:17 vicscandl ok, i gotta go add the fuel aspect of my mod in as i want to get this crap launched out today...
14:18 RealBadAngel dont know anything bout code
14:18 vicscandl OldCoder: not you, two words... :)
14:18 OldCoder O.K.
14:20 RealBadAngel if the programmers were paid for their work in such way...
14:20 RealBadAngel done? ok. make it two times faster
14:20 RealBadAngel we wouldnt need pentium 100 and gigaherzes
14:21 RealBadAngel take a look at first 8 bit games
14:21 RealBadAngel and the last ones
14:21 RealBadAngel hardware was the same
14:22 RealBadAngel only coders were evolving
14:22 vicscandl RealBadAngel: {{ how many times do you mutter "i remember when we had to shove all this into 64K of RAM" }}
14:23 RealBadAngel many times
14:23 vicscandl re-writing the page swap routines because they were to bulky...
14:24 RealBadAngel golden times
14:24 vicscandl one of these days i'll scan the picture of me feeding my old man's punchcards into a PDP-11 at cal tech
14:24 RealBadAngel i had a friend, from Torun, Central poland
14:25 RealBadAngel he had Timex 2048, clone of ZX Spectrum
14:25 RealBadAngel but had no monitor
14:25 vicscandl RealBadAngel: i heard thoes were quite a good box back then.
14:25 RealBadAngel once he borrowed a TV from some1
14:26 RealBadAngel run a program that could speak numbers
14:26 Calinou thank you for highlighting me
14:26 Calinou very interesting
14:26 RealBadAngel he run it
14:26 Calinou (cal, cali, calin, calino, calinou highlight me)
14:26 RealBadAngel and that program speaked 16kb of ROM for him
14:26 Calinou <vicscandl> but when you google "linux minecraft" ....
14:26 RealBadAngel he wrote it all down
14:26 Calinou minceraft does work on linux *facepalm*
14:27 RealBadAngel and DISSASEBLED WHOLE ZX SPECTRUM's ROM
14:27 vicscandl RealBadAngel: wow, thats dedication. good times were had back then... just not the same..
14:28 vicscandl RealBadAngel: i still have some of my hand written codebooks; memories..
14:28 RealBadAngel imagine 16kb of code
14:29 RealBadAngel that was insane
14:29 RealBadAngel byte by byte, wrote down with pencil
14:29 RealBadAngel and dissasembled
14:30 RealBadAngel he was able to divide, multiply in hex
14:30 RealBadAngel like normal folks can do with decimal
14:32 RealBadAngel as far as i know, he is involved now
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14:33 RealBadAngel in project for searchin new planets in other solar systems
14:33 RealBadAngel doin code for it
14:37 RealBadAngel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksander_Wolszczan he used to work with this guy
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15:06 RealBadAngel any one knows good mod (amiga one) to ogg converter?
15:06 saschaheylik "good" ?
15:06 saschaheylik audacity might be able to
15:06 RealBadAngel i need to convert one protracker's mod
15:07 saschaheylik hm guess not
15:07 OldCoder RealBadAngel, hold on
15:07 RealBadAngel i found one java player able to play it
15:08 RealBadAngel winamp is not able
15:08 OldCoder xmp might work
15:09 NekoGloop Omg
15:10 RealBadAngel i just just this:http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Audio/Audio-Players/Java-Mod-Player.shtml
15:11 RealBadAngel this one can play protracer's mod but no convert options
15:13 RealBadAngel http://amp.dascene.net/detail.php?detail=modules&amp;view=8826
15:13 RealBadAngel i want to convert that second one
15:13 RealBadAngel cover of Terra Titanic
15:14 NakedFury I use Switch sound file converter
15:14 vicscandl xmp will play it; bit of monkery and it can be recorded
15:15 RealBadAngel oo, got newer version of that player
15:15 RealBadAngel it has export to wave
15:15 RealBadAngel :)
15:16 OldCoder Try xmp
15:16 OldCoder Linux
15:16 OldCoder Hmm
15:16 * OldCoder wonders about ffmpeg
15:17 OldCoder Timidity converts MODs BTW
15:17 OldCoder Oh
15:17 OldCoder If you just need MODs use Timidity
15:17 RealBadAngel that player does it too
15:17 OldCoder Good
15:17 RealBadAngel got the wav already
15:17 RealBadAngel listened to it btw?
15:18 OldCoder Me?
15:18 * OldCoder looks up
15:18 RealBadAngel try
15:18 OldCoder Link again?
15:18 OldCoder Ah
15:18 OldCoder om
15:19 RealBadAngel its my old firends piece of work
15:19 OldCoder om
15:19 RealBadAngel same that made music for my games
15:19 OldCoder Andy
15:19 RealBadAngel AndySynthe
15:19 OldCoder Do you have a download link?
15:19 RealBadAngel a sec
15:19 RealBadAngel http://amp.dascene.net/detail.php?detail=modules&amp;view=8826
15:20 OldCoder I am there
15:20 OldCoder Need the download link
15:20 OldCoder If it requires Flash I don't use it
15:20 OldCoder Ah
15:20 RealBadAngel players is in java
15:20 OldCoder Got it
15:20 OldCoder No; I have plenty of players
15:20 OldCoder Most of them
15:20 RealBadAngel ok
15:20 OldCoder Downloading
15:20 OldCoder Terra Titanic Acquire Initiated :-)
15:21 RealBadAngel my idea is to add this as background for menu
15:21 RealBadAngel ive already added world screenshot
15:21 RealBadAngel why not some music?
15:21 OldCoder Acquired and playing
15:22 OldCoder Six minute piece
15:22 * OldCoder listens
15:22 * RealBadAngel waits
15:22 OldCoder Good for my purposes. I could work to this.
15:23 OldCoder Nice
15:23 RealBadAngel i think it could fit
15:23 OldCoder Sure
15:23 RealBadAngel wait a sec
15:23 RealBadAngel will make screenshot
15:23 * saschaheylik looks it up
15:24 OldCoder If you need a Linux tool xmp does convert
15:24 OldCoder I have converted Terra Titanic
15:24 vicscandl oooooo nice....
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15:25 OldCoder RealBadAngel, will your friend place the music under Creative Commons or a similar license?
15:25 vicscandl 8-bit and voxelworld just so go together....
15:25 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/menu.png
15:25 vicscandl 8-bit sound
15:26 OldCoder Sure again
15:26 RealBadAngel i will go visit him with a bottle of vodka
15:26 OldCoder Menu looks nice
15:26 OldCoder Ha
15:26 OldCoder CC-NC-SA
15:26 OldCoder ^ License for music
15:26 RealBadAngel license problems solved ;)\
15:26 OldCoder He will retain rights
15:26 OldCoder He is simply granting right to share
15:26 RealBadAngel no problemo
15:26 OldCoder CC-NC-SA 3.0 Unported to be specific
15:27 vicscandl RealBadAngel: that server in the menu pic public? (usa based use)
15:27 OldCoder Do you need the MP3 ?
15:27 RealBadAngel i think he will be pleased to dig it up and let live again
15:27 RealBadAngel ogg
15:27 OldCoder Converting
15:27 RealBadAngel need ftp?
15:27 OldCoder From WAV of course
15:27 OldCoder Yes
15:27 OldCoder FTP
15:27 vicscandl RealBadAngel: let him know i'm a big fan... feeling like i'm 18 again and shit
15:27 RealBadAngel :)
15:28 RealBadAngel will bring him here
15:28 RealBadAngel so you will tell him that
15:28 vicscandl RealBadAngel: would be my pleasure. few appreciate good code-art
15:29 RealBadAngel i promise
15:29 OldCoder FTP?
15:29 OldCoder Or I could use SendSpace
15:30 vicscandl th congo part around 2f:31 (close to end) sounds very Goonies esque
15:30 NakedFury feels weird to have my email inbox empty
15:30 vicscandl did not catch what pattern it was rolling
15:31 * vicscandl is loving this Old-School-Saturday ircparty...
15:32 vicscandl RealBadAngel: is that an image in the bg of the menu, or is that pulling a generated image out of the live server?
15:33 vicscandl RealBadAngel: and correct me if i'm wrong, you are hacking on the C++ code too?
15:34 NakedFury for the menu no
15:34 NakedFury go to textures>base>pack
15:34 NakedFury change the menubg
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15:35 NekoGloop Meow~
15:35 vicscandl NakedFury: yea, i know that trick, i was *somehow* hoping it was generating; i'd be cool to pick a random spot and have it rotate around in the background of the menu
15:35 NekoGloop What?
15:35 NakedFury minecraft has that
15:35 saschaheylik vicscandl: agreed
15:35 NakedFury but its a sort of screenshot
15:35 NakedFury it moves round
15:35 vicscandl NakedFury: yea, it would be
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15:35 NakedFury but I would definitely like that too
15:35 Keegan hello
15:35 NekoGloop Omg keegan
15:35 NakedFury hello
15:36 Keegan how r u
15:36 NekoGloop Die keegan >:D
15:36 * NekoGloop ki
15:36 vicscandl something like pick the player gen spot, pull a 360deg view and then just rotate it at a speed on the menu screen...
15:36 * NekoGloop kills keegan with an evil sword
15:36 Keegan Neko stop being me
15:36 RealBadAngel @viscandl:no
15:36 saschaheylik or a "snapshot" of a cool in-game moment
15:36 RealBadAngel no hacks at all
15:37 thexyz btw, Keegan, do you still need hacked minetest client?
15:37 NekoGloop Dont give it to him
15:37 RealBadAngel o lol
15:37 vicscandl thexyz: nice, have idea for your mod.
15:38 thexyz what mod?
15:38 Keegan thexyz yea but i think my friend is giving me one.. i am upposed to have it right now but he dont know how to give t to me
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15:38 vicscandl thexyz: xdoors2
15:38 vicscandl thexyz: give me a bit, the kid is lookin for food..
15:39 vicscandl Keegan: oh, you are back... lets see if you show up in the botnet now...
15:39 * vicscandl emits an evil laugh...
15:39 Keegan STOP BEING MEAN
15:39 * NekoGloop continues to kill keegan
15:39 saschaheylik wtf
15:40 vicscandl stop being so gullible
15:40 thexyz Keegan: that's great, just wanted to give you one
15:40 Keegan thexyz yea but he cant send me it through email
15:41 vicscandl ooo Keegan, you need to update that computer you are on... metasploit is about to turn you over...
15:42 * vicscandl is a bitch sometimes...
15:42 Keegan STOP IT IM SORY ABOUT YESTERDAY
15:42 vicscandl Keegan: dude, this is 100% messing with you... you are fine
15:42 saschaheylik dont use caps that way. just dont.
15:43 vicscandl {{ someone should show him how to ignore people on irc... i'm sure most ignore my sorry butt }}
15:43 OldCoder Hi
15:43 RealBadAngel ok
15:43 RealBadAngel do it
15:44 vicscandl i so lose at idlewars all the time.. :
15:44 vicscandl s/wars/RPG/
15:45 OldCoder http://realbadangel.pl/oldcoder/music/Terra_Titanic_downmix.ogg
15:45 vicscandl http://idlerpg.net
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15:45 OldCoder This is a downmix of Terra Titanic from Real Bad Angel's friend
15:46 NakedFury more games should use classic gaming music
15:46 saschaheylik like battlefield
15:46 NakedFury sometimes I miss the 8bit style of arcade games
15:47 vicscandl RealBadAngel: effing nice pipe -> 5,574,128    962K/s   in 6.8s
15:47 RealBadAngel i suggested this to be main menu theme
15:47 saschaheylik this is nice
15:47 RealBadAngel do you ike the idea?
15:47 RealBadAngel *like
15:47 vicscandl RealBadAngel: +1 +1
15:48 saschaheylik yeah
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15:48 vicscandl RealBadAngel: +6pack of your choice
15:48 SmugLeaf joined #minetest
15:48 RealBadAngel its a cover made by professional musican
15:49 RealBadAngel he wrote music for all my 8bit games
15:49 RealBadAngel so no worry bout licences
15:49 vicscandl is there a hook to play an ogg at the menu, or is this going to require a request?
15:49 RealBadAngel will play it without any hacks
15:50 vicscandl RealBadAngel: good to know. thanks
15:50 RealBadAngel same as i did with background
15:50 OldCoder Is NekoGloop gone?
15:50 NekoGloop Boo
15:50 OldCoder Thanks
15:50 OldCoder Hold on a moment
15:50 NekoGloop Why?
15:51 thexyz so, vicscandl, where's your idea?
15:51 OldCoder NekoGloop, Keegan is attempting to use /ignore
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15:52 OldCoder NekoGloop, it is /ignore nick right?
15:52 vicscandl thexyz: sorry, what about top/bottom opening doors?
15:52 NekoGloop Yes
15:52 OldCoder Hmm
15:52 OldCoder No
15:52 OldCoder The channel says...
15:52 * OldCoder is reading Help
15:52 vicscandl OldCoder: funny, i thought it was "/part nick"
15:52 NekoGloop Maybe the chnnel doesnt support ignore
15:53 OldCoder No, it's there; hold on a moment
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15:53 OldCoder I don't recognize the syntax
15:53 * OldCoder googles
15:53 thexyz vicscandl: what? you mean trapdoor?
15:53 vicscandl no, like double open doors, top and bottom
15:54 OldCoder
15:54 NekoGloop I like how in the vanilla game you can walk on doors
15:54 OldCoder /ignore NekoGloop!*@*
15:54 OldCoder Doesn't work
15:54 vicscandl top and bottom separate and can open separate
15:54 NakedFury xyz: you could also add a half door or bar door.
15:54 OldCoder /ignore NekoGloop!*@* ALL
15:54 OldCoder Ah
15:54 OldCoder Got it
15:54 vicscandl {{ fucking english language }}
15:54 OldCoder NekoGloop if it's O.K. would you speak to me?
15:55 NekoGloop Oldcoder HL
15:55 vicscandl NakedFury: thanks, half a door...
15:55 OldCoder Hmm
15:55 OldCoder NekoGloop, why doesn't this work:
15:55 OldCoder /ignore NekoGloop!*@* ALL
15:55 NekoGloop Magic
15:55 OldCoder No; I should learn this
15:55 NekoGloop Because your putting the symbols there
15:56 OldCoder /ignore NekoGloop ALL
15:56 vicscandl OldCoder: so much fun irc can be
15:56 OldCoder Speak now
15:56 OldCoder vicscandl, I used to know this
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15:56 OldCoder NekoGloop, speak to me
15:56 NekoGloop You sent said /ignore not used it
15:56 OldCoder Hmm
15:56 OldCoder Ah
15:56 OldCoder Worked
15:56 OldCoder Speak now one last time
15:56 vicscandl OldCoder: its like riding a bike... comes back quick
15:56 NekoGloop Oldcoder
15:56 OldCoder Now how do I un-ignore him?
15:57 NekoGloop Log off
15:57 NekoGloop Tell him
15:57 vicscandl hahahahaa
15:57 OldCoder If I wish to hear the kitten again, what is the command for that?
15:57 OldCoder Hmm
15:57 vicscandl OldCoder: NekoGloop -> log off (not)
15:57 * NekoGloop pisses on oldcoder :3
15:57 OldCoder I'll figure it out later
15:58 OldCoder
15:58 OldCoder NekoGloop speak to Keegan please
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16:00 OldCoder mrtux, Hello
16:01 mrtux hi
16:01 Keegan hey mrtux
16:01 OldCoder Can anybody tell me how to unignore the kitten?
16:01 OldCoder NekoGloop I'll restore you later
16:02 NakedFury no idea
16:02 * OldCoder shrugs
16:02 OldCoder I need to relearn all of this anyway
16:03 NekoGloop Someone tell me what oldcoder is saying? I'm too curious :3
16:03 OldCoder That may have worked
16:03 OldCoder NekoGloop speak to me
16:03 NakedFury he already talked
16:03 OldCoder I just tried an unignore command
16:03 NakedFury Someone tell me what oldcoder is saying?
16:03 OldCoder NakedFury, Keegan was upset
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16:04 * NekoGloop kicks nakedfuy
16:04 OldCoder He has ignored NekoGloop. I wasn't sure of the command so I tested it myself.
16:04 NekoGloop My line!
16:04 OldCoder Which has the regrettable effect that I have cut off NekoGloop.
16:04 OldCoder Figuring out unignore now
16:04 NekoGloop Why didnt he do keegan...?
16:05 OldCoder Ah
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16:08 Keegan whatca guys doing?
16:08 NakedFury listening to iron maiden and waiting to play planetside 2
16:08 NakedFury you?
16:09 Keegan playng minetest
16:09 PilzAdam joined #minetest
16:09 NekoGloop I'm gonna go on my computer soon to play minetest. 3
16:09 NekoGloop :3*
16:09 PilzAdam hi
16:09 Keegan what server do you play on?
16:09 Keegan hi
16:10 PilzAdam news?
16:10 NakedFury hi
16:10 NekoGloop I'm usually on one that's currently down for an undefined amount of time.
16:10 Keegan what one?
16:10 NekoGloop Cant say
16:10 Keegan why
16:10 NakedFury play on marktraceur server
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16:12 NekoGloop Ohai jamiewilk
16:12 NekoGloop JamieWill*
16:12 JamieWill Hi NekoGloop!
16:12 Keegan hey
16:12 NekoGloop :3
16:13 PilzAdam Hi JamieWill
16:14 Keegan hey PilzAdam when are you gonna finish your mod?
16:14 PilzAdam wich mod?
16:14 JamieWill Hi PzAd
16:14 PilzAdam the map?
16:14 Keegan electricity
16:15 NakedFury PilzAdam the man that brought us carts
16:15 JamieWill lol
16:15 NekoGloop And made good beds, too ;)
16:15 JamieWill mmmm.... sleep
16:15 PilzAdam and im working on maps
16:15 Keegan yea it didnt work
16:15 NakedFury ingame maps?
16:15 Keegan yes
16:16 NekoGloop But you cant get the recipe without gloopblocks to register 9 cotton to be craftable into wool ;)
16:21 vicscandl Keegan: you get your client up and running?
16:21 Keegan what client?
16:22 vicscandl Keegan: are you able to play now?
16:22 Keegan i been able to
16:22 vicscandl Keegan: ok, just checking.
16:23 Keegan why and what verson
16:23 vicscandl no reason, just trying to help ya instead of being my normal asshole. :)
16:26 Keegan i can only use 0.4.0 and 0.3.1
16:26 vicscandl my mom called and told me to be nice today... you win. ;)
16:26 * vicscandl laughs
16:26 JamieWill lol ;)
16:27 * NekoGloop evil laugh
16:27 saschaheylik NekoGloop: are you his mom?
16:27 NekoGloop No
16:27 vicscandl hahaha
16:27 saschaheylik xD
16:27 NekoGloop Hell. No.
16:27 JamieWill Luke, I am your father
16:28 NekoGloop Nooooooooooooo!
16:28 JamieWill *sorry so worth it tho!
16:28 saschaheylik so much negativity
16:28 RealBadAngel lol
16:28 * NekoGloop smacks jamiewilk around with a large fishbot
16:28 RealBadAngel are we gonna try alt+f4 again?
16:29 PilzAdam i have disabled alt+f4 in my os
16:29 JamieWill Is that why everyone left i like 2 seconds yesterday?
16:29 NekoGloop Yes
16:29 RealBadAngel ehehhehe
16:30 vicscandl its caturday, i should relax: http://imgur.com/uzr5R
16:30 JamieWill I just pinged a ip and got 2ms nice!
16:30 * vicscandl pinged your mom, and got slapped in 2ms.
16:30 saschaheylik im so jealous
16:31 JamieWill nice
16:31 vicscandl JamieWill: i get that kinda ping when i query my router too. :)
16:31 vicscandl damnit, i said i was going to be nice.
16:31 saschaheylik i get 4ms to my router
16:32 JamieWill no i get 0ms for my one its my friend he lives like 100m away lol
16:32 saschaheylik weird
16:32 JamieWill CAT 5 BIATCH
16:32 vicscandl traffic is not even leaving the netblock, heheeh
16:32 RealBadAngel look this: http://paczto.pl/pacz/1196
16:32 saschaheylik haha
16:32 JamieWill Ill be back in 15 mis away for McD's
16:32 saschaheylik thats a ghillie suit
16:33 saschaheylik for snow warfare
16:33 saschaheylik totally
16:33 thexyz another 9gag clone
16:33 saschaheylik ugh the thought of eating at "McD's"
16:34 * saschaheylik banana nom nom
16:34 PilzAdam I have a task for u all: "Why is this called #minetest when nobody talks about this game?"
16:34 saschaheylik because someone named it like that
16:35 NakedFury we talk about it
16:35 saschaheylik basically, saved the string "#minetest"
16:35 vicscandl balls deep in code and i come here to verbaly relax?
16:35 NakedFury but %5 of the time the conversation moves away
16:35 saschaheylik vicscandl: good argument bro
16:35 saschaheylik *thumbs up*
16:36 saschaheylik maybe we could make a fractal minetest
16:36 saschaheylik the character can shrink
16:36 saschaheylik and then dig into a cube
16:36 vicscandl ooooooo
16:36 saschaheylik in which there are cubes
16:36 saschaheylik in which there are more cubes
16:36 NakedFury hexagonal grid minetest
16:37 saschaheylik :D
16:37 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpFfrQf53Xo&amp;feature=related
16:37 RealBadAngel posted it before
16:37 RealBadAngel but again,some will take care of noteblocks to get them done?
16:38 NakedFury awesome song and sounds even more awesome like that
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16:39 vicscandl RealBadAngel: so thinking mod reader + noteblocks would be interesting
16:39 RealBadAngel theres even music maker done for minecraft
16:40 vicscandl sooo could 4 track this kind of thing too
16:40 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fi4gvDXBX4
16:40 RealBadAngel 16 channel one
16:42 vicscandl and now i see why mesecons is being done
16:42 RealBadAngel exactly
16:42 vicscandl this is *exactly* what i want to show my dad can be done with this game
16:42 vicscandl RealBadAngel: big thanks mate
16:43 RealBadAngel there r no limits
16:43 RealBadAngel just our imagination
16:44 NakedFury there are some limits
16:44 MiJyn nd dere is da spellin limit RBA
16:44 RealBadAngel yes?
16:44 RealBadAngel check this out
16:44 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsgtG4W6_x8
16:45 RealBadAngel and after watchin it
16:45 RealBadAngel please repeat
16:45 NakedFury red power
16:45 RealBadAngel there are limits
16:45 NakedFury great mod
16:45 RealBadAngel go for it
16:45 RealBadAngel waiting
16:45 saschaheylik wait until we put it in scriptable microchips,  proper electronics  and mechanics
16:45 saschaheylik like in gmod
16:45 NakedFury you didnt say the game modded
16:45 saschaheylik and then think about limits again
16:46 vicscandl uh, holy shit
16:46 RealBadAngel waitin
16:46 NakedFury I still dont understand the deal with trying to make a computer on minecraft
16:46 saschaheylik and maybe we find a way to page the world over multiple servers to make it practically infinitely big
16:46 RealBadAngel where are the limits...
16:46 saschaheylik money for servers
16:47 saschaheylik the better we code the less server power we waste. time is money. cpu time.
16:47 RealBadAngel have heard something bout limits?
16:47 vicscandl RealBadAngel: fuck me sideways
16:48 NakedFury what exactly will that pc do in minecraft?
16:48 saschaheylik but in reality, since we are free to charge money for LGPL code the limit once again is our imagination when building the game
16:48 vicscandl the educational value of this is immense
16:48 saschaheylik of what?
16:48 saschaheylik me talking?
16:48 saschaheylik thanks
16:48 RealBadAngel such thing was never seen in games before
16:48 saschaheylik ikr
16:49 RealBadAngel thats why its so great
16:49 saschaheylik thats why i hate notch
16:49 vicscandl you can build and walk thru a "large" representation and see the shit work
16:49 RealBadAngel suggest you start watchin last video again with 4;08
16:49 saschaheylik true we could emulate real electronics
16:49 saschaheylik maybe sell minetest to schools
16:49 vicscandl this is gibson cyberspace/stephensons metaverse.... 0.2
16:49 saschaheylik haha
16:50 NekoGloop Someone made pong on minecraft. :P
16:50 saschaheylik know what i wish for 2012?
16:50 * vicscandl paused at 3:00
16:50 vicscandl saschaheylik: more pussy?
16:50 saschaheylik that too.
16:50 RealBadAngel move it forward
16:50 vicscandl (or penis if you prefer)
16:50 RealBadAngel 4:08
16:50 RealBadAngel sit and cry
16:50 saschaheylik to make a living coding minetest
16:50 vicscandl naw,w atching whole vid
16:50 saschaheylik and show notch how its done
16:51 NakedFury the only thing I dont like is all the space it takes to build that
16:51 NakedFury I have seen bigger stuff
16:51 saschaheylik space?
16:51 NakedFury game space
16:51 RealBadAngel but with such effect?
16:51 saschaheylik yeah we need like splittable blocks
16:51 NakedFury would not work well in multiplayer
16:52 RealBadAngel jamie: link for ya:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsgtG4W6_x8
16:52 RealBadAngel join
16:52 saschaheylik NakedFury: why not?
16:52 NakedFury you would need like 10 km of space for secret bases
16:52 saschaheylik if only splitted blocks are splitted, why not?
16:52 NakedFury griefing problems
16:52 NekoGloop Lolwat
16:52 NakedFury what do you mean splitted blocks?
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16:52 saschaheylik imagine a cube
16:53 saschaheylik now a horizontal line through its middle
16:53 RealBadAngel redpower2 does it
16:53 saschaheylik now a vertical one
16:53 saschaheylik and another one
16:53 saschaheylik actually
16:53 RealBadAngel a saw to cut block to slabs
16:53 NakedFury ohh that, yes I would like that very much in mintest
16:53 NekoGloop Just use the telegate mod and make locked gates to -30000. Boom, secret bast right in the open.
16:53 saschaheylik youve got 8 cubes
16:53 saschaheylik out of one
16:53 RealBadAngel slabs to panels
16:53 RealBadAngel panels to covers
16:53 RealBadAngel 1/2/2/2
16:53 RealBadAngel of the size
16:53 saschaheylik that we you could zoom in like a fractal to make things more detailed
16:54 NakedFury isntead of needing 1x1 tunnels for mesecon we use that
16:54 NakedFury instead*
16:54 vicscandl RealBadAngel: love how he shows you his hand coding too
16:54 saschaheylik also if multiple regular cubes are together, they could be merged into one cube which would save a lot of memory
16:54 NekoGloop But currently minetest does not support multiple nodes in the same spot
16:55 saschaheylik currently that is because it is a goal not reached yet
16:55 NekoGloop Mesecons could not be placed in the same spot as these node-peices
16:57 NakedFury if that was added it would be amazing
16:57 NakedFury as mazing as having an actual chat window not the stuff we have now
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16:58 RealBadAngel ok, here we go with another one i do like:
16:58 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaLmWE_ZE7s&amp;feature=BFa&amp;list=UUgOqZ0-tr6Y27lWprxww5sg
16:58 NakedFury now that I like
16:59 NakedFury real in game use
16:59 NekoGloop Lol creeper makeup tutorial in related vids
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17:01 RealBadAngel and wonder what will you say bout this:
17:01 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaLmWE_ZE7s&amp;feature=BFa&amp;list=UUgOqZ0-tr6Y27lWprxww5sg
17:01 RealBadAngel this actually is mind blowing
17:01 NakedFury im watching that one right now
17:01 JamieWill Is there a creeper mod?
17:02 RealBadAngel it adds working 6502 system to the game
17:02 NakedFury have you seen one called bat cave? all vanilla I think
17:02 RealBadAngel which you can code
17:02 RealBadAngel in assembler or provided Forth compiler
17:02 Keegan hey can someone help me with a hack client it wont connect to a server?
17:03 JamieWill i3-2120 3.3GHz 4GB 1 × 1000GB SATA3 6Gbps 12TB For 121 Euros? Is that any good?
17:03 RealBadAngel wanna sell?
17:03 NekoGloop joined #minetest
17:03 JamieWill No buying
17:03 RealBadAngel take it
17:03 NekoGloop Wat
17:03 JamieWill worth it?
17:04 RealBadAngel sure
17:04 JamieWill for 20 more euros i can get 30TB
17:04 JamieWill and *GB
17:04 JamieWill 8GB
17:04 RealBadAngel 120 eu you can earn a day
17:04 RealBadAngel such server for a day of work?
17:05 JamieWill College is all fees and stuff?
17:05 NekoGloop yup
17:05 NekoGloop all fees.
17:05 NekoGloop you have to pay for knowledge ;)
17:06 vicscandl RealBadAngel: love the drill
17:06 JamieWill Nah you dont
17:06 JamieWill Oh wait yes you do!
17:07 NekoGloop Now pay up, you learned something.
17:11 NekoGloop RealBadAngel: Done yet?
17:12 NekoGloop VanessaE: Gonna need those links again, ipad is being derp with file transfer.
17:14 Calinou lol Keegan
17:15 NekoGloop what did keegan do?
17:15 PilzAdam joined #minetest
17:15 NekoGloop and why cant I see him, assuming it's recent
17:16 NekoGloop left #minetest
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17:16 NekoGloop LOL that command is NOT unignore
17:19 vicscandl RealBadAngel: thanks for the vids
17:20 RealBadAngel no problemo
17:20 RealBadAngel enjoyed?
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17:21 vicscandl 110%
17:21 OldCoder NekoGloop you should be unignored now.
17:21 * NekoGloop kicks oldcoder
17:22 * OldCoder tosses a kitty treat at NekoGloop
17:22 * NekoGloop eats it
17:22 * OldCoder cautious pats the cat
17:22 * NekoGloop hisses
17:23 * OldCoder laughs
17:23 * NekoGloop scratches up oldcoder's face with his claws
17:24 RealBadAngel brb
17:24 * OldCoder absented mindly applies Bactine
17:25 * NekoGloop jabs his claws into OldCoder's stomach
17:26 * OldCoder ignores the cat temporarily as he is busy with business
17:26 * NekoGloop is now relieved
17:26 * OldCoder leaves out a bowl of cat food; the tasty kind
17:27 * NekoGloop picks it up and shoves it into oldcoder's face
17:27 vicscandl VanessaE: thanks again for seaweed, getting to making it fuel for my mod
17:29 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPjW_9KZo8M&amp;feature=related ding dong...
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17:35 applenerd11 i tried joining the minetest server, but it keeps timing out.
17:36 PilzAdam wich server?
17:36 applenerd11 wait. got it
17:37 applenerd11 it was the c55 dev server. i got on
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17:37 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-sH53vXP2A
17:38 applenerd11 wow
17:38 NekoGloop isnt his server down? O.o
17:38 PilzAdam NekoGloop, yes it should be down
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17:43 Keegan anyone know how to use a hack client?
17:43 NekoGloop nope
17:44 Keegan someone remade one for me
17:44 NekoGloop well you arent supposed to use it
17:44 Keegan it dont connects to any servers
17:45 vicscandl Keegan: the server you are trying to connect with may be set to reject your client
17:45 Keegan why
17:45 NakedFury why do you want to cheat so badly?
17:46 vicscandl Keegan: because hack clients are for pussies
17:46 vicscandl play the damed game, don't disrupt it.
17:46 Calinou lol
17:47 Calinou or hack yourself :P
17:47 PilzAdam Calinou, you will like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PJv11Cff5Y&amp;feature=related
17:47 Calinou no u
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17:51 JamieWill Yeah!
17:51 JamieWill I am on here all the time now
17:51 PilzAdam JamieWill,  your happy when Calinou leaves?
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17:52 JamieWill Shiz He left lolz I was just doing a random Yeah! to let you know I was here mdr!
17:52 NekoGloop AAAAAAH
17:52 NekoGloop THUYNDER!
17:53 cy1 servers try to reject hack clients...
17:53 NekoGloop and usually succeed :P
17:53 JamieWill Well Not m one anyway!
17:54 vicscandl network gaming 101
17:54 NakedFury cy1! long time since I see you here
17:54 cy1 usually it's just a pain for all the players :(
17:54 cy1 antihax are well and good but
17:54 cy1 when the server undigs my blocks just b/c it's lagging
17:54 cy1 I'm like fffffffffffff
17:54 cy1 glomieeeeeeeee
17:54 cy1 NakedFury: y hlo thar
17:54 JamieWill Irish! mdr
17:55 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPjW_9KZo8M&amp;feature=related Ding dong...
17:55 JamieWill bt yyyyee!
17:55 cy1 my antihax strategy is to identify players who may be speedhacking, but not backport them, and to provide robust tools for restoring demolished stuff
17:55 cy1 haven't worked on it much though
17:56 cy1 need playerstats.sqlite
17:56 cy1 gtg
17:56 JamieWill my hacked client works  and ill send you the link keegen i put it up!
17:57 OldCoder Keegan has left, JamieWill
17:57 JamieWill Balls!
17:57 OldCoder Is it important?
17:57 NekoGloop Cubes!
17:57 vicscandl Voxel!
17:57 OldCoder Polyhedra!
17:57 OldCoder Of different shapes and sizes!
17:57 OldCoder :P
17:57 JamieWill I dont hve one its just to make him think he is geting a hacked client its just the normal tho lol
17:58 OldCoder JamieWill, why not make him a toy?
17:58 OldCoder I have considered doing it but can only compile for Linux
17:58 OldCoder Perhaps he can press a button and his copy of the sky will change colors
17:58 NekoGloop Give him a hacked client but make it give him less abilities. HARD MODE.
17:58 OldCoder Hmm
17:58 OldCoder Not a bad idea
17:58 OldCoder Maybe with training instructions
17:59 NekoGloop no, just HARD MODE
17:59 OldCoder Oh, that'll boost his confidence
17:59 OldCoder Folks...
17:59 NakedFury honest hacked client
17:59 OldCoder He can't solve the "Are You Human" puzzles.
17:59 OldCoder So he feels a bit odd
17:59 * OldCoder shrugs
17:59 OldCoder Excuse me
17:59 NakedFury fly=this user is flying. this user is speedhacking, this user is xraying, etc
17:59 NekoGloop He cant solve the "Are You Stupid" puzzles :P
18:00 JamieWill I dont have one just to annoy keegen
18:00 OldCoder NekoGloop he is what, 75% of your age, and disabled
18:00 NekoGloop lol I'm not that young
18:00 NekoGloop old*
18:00 NekoGloop 75% of my age is like 8 :P
18:00 OldCoder NekoGloop: That seems unlikely
18:00 * OldCoder shrugs again
18:00 OldCoder Excuse me
18:01 OldCoder I mostly felt like making the polyhedra joke
18:01 OldCoder But he does have trouble with the basics
18:01 OldCoder and he isn't trolling intentionally
18:01 OldCoder Unlike a cat who sometimes comes close to it
18:01 OldCoder BTW
18:01 OldCoder If my own situation elsewhere improves
18:01 OldCoder Let me know what you need for the server or client
18:02 OldCoder I've sort of been doing this kind of thing
18:02 OldCoder since before some of your parents were born
18:02 OldCoder
18:02 JamieWill he kinda is cuz he has been warned but he keeps doing it thats why we told him to use the #minetest-morons
18:02 * OldCoder laughs
18:02 OldCoder Yes, *that's* going to help too
18:02 NekoGloop use #minetest-banme
18:02 OldCoder He wants to be part of the group
18:02 OldCoder I think the hacked client...
18:02 OldCoder Hmm
18:02 JamieWill is it a channel?
18:02 OldCoder It is now
18:03 JamieWill lol
18:03 NekoGloop Well if he clicks it he'll host the channel himself in some clients
18:03 JamieWill #mintest-banme
18:03 OldCoder I could do this:
18:03 OldCoder ##keegan
18:03 OldCoder Give him his own channel
18:03 OldCoder Make him op
18:03 OldCoder Then he'd need to learn to be polite
18:03 OldCoder To acquire visitors
18:04 JamieWill Click on it!
18:05 JamieWill lol
18:05 JamieWill #minetest-banme
18:06 OldCoder Ha
18:06 OldCoder People are actually visiting
18:06 JamieWill just had to!
18:07 OldCoder There is a ##jamiewill too now of course
18:07 OldCoder It is only fair
18:07 OldCoder :-)
18:07 NekoGloop xD
18:07 JamieWill lol
18:07 NekoGloop what quit message did it send?
18:07 JamieWill and a ##youtube one
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18:08 NekoGloop OMG JEIJA
18:08 NekoGloop NOW RBA WILL LET ME TALK ABOUT MESECONS :D
18:10 Jeija Hi everyone!
18:10 OldCoder Jeija, hello
18:11 NekoGloop I should add some of my microcontroller code to sfan5's listing
18:11 sfan5 yes, do that
18:11 NekoGloop could you please link it?
18:11 NekoGloop I'm lazy :3
18:11 Jeija http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/ycpaste/
18:11 NekoGloop thankies :3
18:11 JamieWill any one got a gd server?
18:11 NekoGloop now to go grab the code :P
18:12 sfan5 JamieWill: gd?
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18:19 RealBadAngel any1 know a way to execute some code with just on main menu screen?
18:19 NekoGloop ask Jeija :P
18:21 RealBadAngel @Jeija: do you?
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18:23 T_A_N_K jeija is a robot
18:23 T_A_N_K bent on the destruction of the human race
18:23 PilzAdam A german robot
18:24 * Jeija_the_robot destroying the world
18:24 NekoGloop >LMAO
18:24 * sdzen destroys it first
18:24 T_A_N_K >this doesn't work on irc networks
18:24 * PilzAdam whispers: "it listen to us"
18:24 NekoGloop I didnt try to put it there
18:26 sdzen no the lighter fluid infused zombies did
18:26 T_A_N_K sdzen i do not pm anymore lol
18:26 sdzen too bad :P
18:27 sfan5 Jeija_the_robot: exec("assembler", "hlt")
18:27 Jeija omg what has just happenend to me
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18:30 T_A_N_K when i read that i heard this voice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFp7Fr_mu2g&amp;feature=plcp
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18:31 NekoGloop I hear this voice right now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pikzimcmB10&amp;feature=related
18:32 NekoGloop Lots of voices ;)
18:32 * vicscandl joins Jeija's new robot cause, because.
18:34 PilzAdam you ever played Minetest like this: http://www.zimg.eu/i/990921295 ?
18:35 sdzen usually i have more clutter
18:35 NekoGloop Yes, actually
18:35 NekoGloop Once, when my mod was being exceptionally stupid
18:36 NekoGloop VanessaE: Your wires are not craftable. WHY?!
18:36 NakedFury Pilz I would have minetest in 1 window, xchat in another with notepad++/geany on top of it
18:37 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pikzimcmB10&amp;feature=related WHAT IF CONGRESS GOT MEDALS?!
18:52 NekoGloop LOL
18:53 NekoGloop I shrunk minetest down a bit so I could see other stuff, now the inventory looks funny in creative xD
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18:56 NekoGloop Ohai cornernote
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19:10 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku3DojpEXPM ranbara... ranbara... ranbara... :3
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19:11 JamieWill Yo Guys
19:12 PilzAdam Yo Yo Yo
19:12 NekoGloop yoyogames
19:12 T_A_N_K yiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiio
19:12 JamieWill UP DOWN UP DOWN UP DOWN UP DOWN UP DOWN UP DOWN UP DOWN UP DOWN UP DOWN UP DOWN UP DOWN UP DOWN UP DOWN UP DOWN UP DOWN UP DOWN UP DOWN UP DOWN UP DOWN UP DOWN
19:13 NekoGloop UP UP DOWN DOWN LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT B A START!!!!
19:13 PilzAdam while(true) print('Yo')
19:13 JamieWill up down like a yoyo
19:13 NekoGloop I just accidentaly whois'd myself xD
19:14 JamieWill while(1) print("Yo")
19:14 jin_xi yes yo
19:14 PilzAdam oh no please not C
19:14 PilzAdam its while(true) and not while(1)
19:14 NekoGloop Oh please yes C
19:15 vicscandl PilzAdam: uh, its both
19:15 NekoGloop ikr
19:15 vicscandl true in most compilers is a define to 1. :)
19:15 NekoGloop 1 is faster to write too
19:15 JamieWill Thank you Vic
19:15 JamieWill Oh burned !
19:15 * NekoGloop sticks JamieWill with a cattle prod
19:16 JamieWill lol
19:16 JamieWill mdr
19:16 NekoGloop that's a burn
19:18 vicscandl just remember, 1 + 1 = 10. solid fact.
19:18 NekoGloop no, it's equal to 11
19:19 vicscandl NekoGloop: no, the amp's go to 11, 1 + 1 = 10.
19:19 saschaheylik_ "it" is?
19:19 sfan5 this is sense:
19:19 sfan5 Cleverbot: What do you want to be?
19:19 sfan5 User: A bee.
19:19 sfan5 Cleverbot: No, your grandpa will have a son with me.
19:19 sdzen that is sense
19:19 sdzen doesnt the level of cleverbots humanity go down each day?
19:20 sdzen or whatever percentage they like to use
19:20 vicscandl cleverbot not so clever. unless it read it without the space 'abee' being a girls name and cleverbot is a pervert.
19:20 NekoGloop Well "humanity" is a undefinite term
19:20 sdzen true
19:21 sdzen except when the walls are blue
19:21 vicscandl that being said, cleverbot:humanity++
19:21 NekoGloop Well in my house... the walls ARE blue... O.o
19:21 T_A_N_K cc fttp royalty free music relaxing amazing awesome dramatic
19:21 vicscandl playing the perverted grandpa.... nice...
19:22 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku3DojpEXPM Ranbara... Ranbara... Ranbara...
19:23 NekoGloop Minetest: Node not diggable
19:23 NekoGloop Me: FUCK YOU
19:23 NekoGloop Minetest: *crashes*
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19:24 RealBadAngel game did the same to you ;)
19:25 NekoGloop VanessaE's mesecons need to be craftable and need to craft INTO other items
19:25 NekoGloop I'm gonna make a little piece of code that makes that possible ;)
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19:26 NekoGloop Jeija: Since you update mesecons so frequently, allow VanessaE's mesecons to replce the default ones
19:27 Jeija Actually they are not VanessaE's mesecons, I coded them for 95%
19:27 Jeija I will, I will
19:27 NekoGloop fine whatever just do it :P
19:27 Jeija First of all I will make it optional and then turn them on by default
19:27 NekoGloop alias them in or something
19:28 Jeija aliasing is not really possible :(
19:28 NekoGloop no, i just want them to be both obtainable and other things to be crafted into them
19:28 Jeija It would look strange
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19:28 Jeija I can make an abm that replaces the old ones by the new ones if you approach them
19:28 NekoGloop hell no
19:28 NekoGloop think of the lag that does
19:28 NekoGloop I mean just for crafting
19:28 Jeija It will, it will, but just for one time
19:29 NekoGloop let the old ones be in the system still
19:29 NakedFury replace them jeija, thats nice of you
19:29 NekoGloop but let the new ones be craftable and craft into other things
19:29 NakedFury one time lag for all that manual work?
19:29 NakedFury yes
19:29 Jeija I don't think it will lag too much
19:30 Jeija Once it is replaced, the abm will never be called again
19:30 NekoGloop and as for crafting recipes?
19:30 Jeija aliasing
19:30 NekoGloop to allow both the new and old to be used?
19:30 Jeija hmm.. or even better make it use groups
19:31 NekoGloop ok
19:31 NekoGloop {wire=1}
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19:31 Jeija no: mesecon_conductor_craftable=1
19:31 Jeija To allow other conductors to be craftable, too
19:31 NekoGloop ok fine whatever just do it >.>
19:38 JamieWill Have a look at this https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4477686859694&amp;set=a.2592520331709.2150828.1215668105&amp;type=1&amp;theater
19:38 NekoGloop pass
19:39 JamieWill lol its a football team from my country got put down for top division to divs 3 so funny ! but they were second biggest team in the country thank god i didnt support them!
19:39 NekoGloop Kewl :P
19:44 vicscand1 hrm
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19:46 jin_xi sup
19:46 NekoGloop ceiling
19:46 NekoGloop waiting for mesecons update
19:47 Jeija that will take at least one more hour
19:47 jin_xi f5 harder
19:47 NekoGloop My MESEcons paradise is creative mode anyway :P
19:47 JamieWill can i join?
19:48 NekoGloop singleplayer
19:48 JamieWill oh :(
19:48 JamieWill yes
19:48 JamieWill lol
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20:05 NekoGloop unactive channel much?
20:06 OldCoder The tides of IRC
20:06 OldCoder NekoGloop, they come in and go out
20:08 NekoGloop kewl
20:08 * NekoGloop gets the IRC moon to come into postion
20:11 NekoGloop "Taoki has changed nick to something" Orly? What is it?
20:11 Taoki NekoGloop: I was testing a feature somewhere, no biggie :P
20:12 NekoGloop It's a joke. Laugh.
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20:18 MiJyn http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYvaIUMWUWA&amp;feature=relmfu
20:20 NekoGloop http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/ycpaste/index.php?61e
20:20 NekoGloop Useful or not?
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20:24 sfan5 NekoGloop: useful
20:25 NekoGloop I figured a splitter could be useful ;)
20:25 sfan5 yes, its useful
20:25 sfan5 bb
20:41 * VanessaE wanders in
20:41 VanessaE BOO!
20:41 NekoGloop VanessaE
20:41 NekoGloop Hi
20:41 MuadTralk RAOR!
20:41 vicscandl eek!
20:42 VanessaE meow?
20:42 NekoGloop Meow :3
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20:43 NekoGloop Jeija, how are the aliases coming? :3
20:47 Jeija No aliases, you will at least loose the mesecons in your inventory
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20:48 NekoGloop ok fine
20:48 NekoGloop whatever :P
20:49 hmmmm heeeello there
20:49 Jeija but map update works
20:49 NekoGloop i honestly dont care
20:49 hmmmm i'm finally back
20:49 NekoGloop No, place the mesecons then let map update take care of the rest.
20:49 hmmmm I tried out the 4.2-RC1, and it seems pretty tight
20:49 hmmmm was the permanent shadows problem fixed?
20:49 NekoGloop nope
20:49 hmmmm also the grid indentation in the y direction was fixed i noticed
20:50 hmmmm by permanent shadows problem, i mean the permanent shadows caused by the mapgen, not what happens when you remove blocks
20:50 NekoGloop i know
20:50 hmmmm so that wasn't fixed yet
20:50 hmmmm hmm
20:50 NekoGloop its not fixed
20:50 hmmmm alright, well if i see it i'll add that back to the list of things to do
20:51 hmmmm and of course there still aren't rivers
20:51 hmmmm the biome problem seems to be fixed
20:51 VanessaE permanent shadows are caused by stuff being generated way up high in the air
20:51 VanessaE like 1000+
20:51 hmmmm were any new biomes added since desert?
20:51 hmmmm ahh
20:51 hmmmm are you sure 1000+?
20:52 VanessaE so I've heard yeah
20:52 VanessaE thexyz said he saw some stuff at like Y+7000 or so
20:52 hmmmm because for a time i was able to fly and make a humungous box around the area and i set the blocks to air with worldedit and that fixed it
20:52 hmmmm most of the time
20:52 NekoGloop Well, I'm making a mesecons paradise
20:52 hmmmm alright, so that's a miscalculation somewhere.  it'll probably be a good idea to log where blocks are being placed if outside of a certain sanity range
20:53 NekoGloop AND gate, Switcher, and Triple input AND gate are finished
20:53 hmmmm and which subroutine was responsible for that, and the parameters, etc
20:53 VanessaE NekoGloop: mesecons microntroller. :-)
20:53 NekoGloop I know
20:53 NekoGloop That's what I'm using ;)
20:53 VanessaE oh ok
20:53 NekoGloop http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/ycpaste/index.php?61e for switcher code
20:55 hmmmm does anybody know if the generation queue stalling problem was fixed?
20:55 hmmmm it seems like it was, but i can't be too sure
20:55 hmmmm alright, and a new queue with all hash filenames... great
20:56 hmmmm s/queue/cache/
20:56 hmmmm are those cached items sounds?
20:56 NekoGloop Can someone point me to the mod that makes cobble/iron_ore generate when lava hits water?
20:56 Jeija ok I added an alias for the new mesecons
20:56 hmmmm or they're anything actually
20:56 NekoGloop link, Jeija?
20:57 Jeija I will push it in like 2 minutes, be patient
20:57 hmmmm hey guys, what's the point of the cache exactly?
20:58 NekoGloop PATIENCE?! WTH IS THAT?
20:58 hmmmm the textures and sounds aren't uncompressed anyway
21:00 Jeija minetest.register_alias("mesecons:delayer", "mesecons_delayer:delayer_off_1") there you go, NekoGloop
21:00 Jeija wut?
21:00 NekoGloop uhm...
21:00 Jeija https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons there you go NekoGloop
21:00 NekoGloop what good is that?
21:00 hmmmm where would i ask about engine questions?  this channel seems like it's more or less for the LUA modding api
21:01 VanessaE #minetest-dev
21:01 hmmmm alright thanks
21:01 VanessaE but only if you are serious about the core - routine questions belong elsewhere
21:01 VanessaE (e.g. here, or the forums, etc)
21:01 NekoGloop Jeija, was the piston glitch fixed?
21:02 Jeija yep https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/commit/9d52049e8314c56ab9cca0f40c796e9007080daf
21:02 NekoGloop k thanks
21:03 NekoGloop does it package in the new wires?
21:05 Jeija the new wires have to be activated manually by setting NEW_STYLE_WIRES  = true in mesecons/settings.lua
21:06 NekoGloop lol minetest crashed
21:07 NekoGloop LOL i deleted the textures... >.>
21:09 NekoGloop placed wires are registered as unknown blocks
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21:09 NekoGloop simple fix, I should think
21:10 Keegan hello
21:14 vicscandl '
21:15 NekoGloop Where's the backwards compatiblilty?
21:15 NekoGloop I see nonew
21:15 NekoGloop none*
21:15 MiJyn NONE
21:15 NekoGloop never mind found it
21:19 NekoGloop You need to add all of the wires as mesecon aliases
21:20 Jeija no there is an ABM that makes the backwards compatibility for the map, NekoGloop
21:20 NekoGloop well it isnt working
21:20 Jeija it is for me
21:21 Jeija are new style wires activated?
21:21 Jeija so are there unknown blocks?
21:21 NekoGloop yes, unknown blocks are where my beutiful wires were
21:22 NekoGloop yes, I activated them
21:22 NekoGloop I'm just modding the code a bit
21:22 Keegan hello
21:23 Jeija the mesecon wires or the wire: wires (there is no compat. with the wire: mod)
21:24 NekoGloop ... So regenerate the map, lose everything I've done, and you'll shut up?
21:26 MuadTralk admin remove stick!
21:26 MuadTralk get rid of the unknown and replace with wires!
21:26 VanessaE NekoGloop: turn on new wires, then let the mod replace the old ones automatically?
21:26 NekoGloop ... I already deleted that map
21:26 NekoGloop Y'know, since the person who made it didnt make backwards compatibility
21:27 Jeija There is backwards compatibility, and even if it does not work you can at least reset the mesecons mod to use the old wires again.
21:28 NekoGloop You made them use "mesecons:wire_" instead of "wires:wire_"
21:28 NekoGloop So, no, it's not gonna work
21:29 Jeija minetest.register_node("mesecons:wire_"..nodeid.."_off", { --> works
21:29 NekoGloop Too. Late.
21:29 Jeija I didn't change anything, it was like that before
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21:35 NakedFury dammit hate when games crash
21:37 MuadTralk Games: dammit I hate not crashing!
21:40 NekoGloop Minetest: FUCK YOU IMA CRASH ANYWAY
21:40 VanessaE AH that's the problem
21:41 VanessaE NekoGloop: I told ya it wasn't finished yet :-)
21:46 hmmmm ah, it turns out the trenches problem was fixed by darkrose
21:46 hmmmm kudos to him
21:46 VanessaE her.
21:47 hmmmm her?
21:47 vicscandl hmmmm: have a forum post about the "trenches problem"?
21:47 VanessaE her.
21:47 hmmmm ah
21:47 hmmmm well the trench problem was quite visible
21:47 vicscandl i'm a bit new to MT, 4.0 only
21:47 vicscandl :(
21:47 hmmmm that was the first thing i was looking for until i removed the mud flow and i noticed that the map wasn't being generated when i came up to an edge at all
21:48 hmmmm that is the map generation queue problem which i need to check for
21:48 hmmmm that's priority numero uno right now
21:48 hmmmm the river thing is purely an addition, not that important, and could probably be implemented in the lua api anyway.
21:49 vicscandl ahhh ok; moot point it being fixed and all. :)
21:49 vicscandl but thanks for the info
21:49 hmmmm huh? the mapgen-not-running thing WAS fixed?
21:50 vicscandl no
21:50 vicscandl er, no idea
21:50 hmmmm well anyway that's the first thing i'm going to look for
21:50 vicscandl (not involved, was going on your statement that trenches problem, not river, sorry. ignore me, i'm silly sometimes)
21:50 hmmmm can someone tell me about the farmesh thingie?  how do I use it as an end user, and how does it work?
21:51 * vicscandl meanders towards the corner.
21:53 hmmmm well nevermind that
21:54 hmmmm alright, you see, the problem is that when i go to create a new world, i get dropped in immediately and the mapgen instantly starts going.  this is not desirable because i wouldn't know where to explore first
21:55 hmmmm I wanted to make a delay between when a world is created and you start playing, so that the map can generate a sizable area around you (how much is user-specified via the configuration, of course.)
21:56 hmmmm the pregeneration is problem/feature #2.  #3 is the addition of rivers since that's kind of easy and doesn't need to be done by the engine.
21:57 vicscandl hmmmm: i understand; not familiar with all of the innards here in MT world. still cutting teeth on a somewhat crazy mod, yet unreleased.
21:58 vicscandl rivers would be nice
22:00 hmmmm oh yes, #4 is to improve the worldedit copy/paste mechanism by a lot
22:00 hmmmm I want to take that part out of lua
22:01 hmmmm you see, minetest gets a lot of fixes, some good, some bad, and oftentimes it'd be really nice to move to a new map, but i have a lot of structures and what not that need to be moved - worldedit completely chokes to death on this, and the problem here lies entirely with the inefficient abstraction.
22:06 NekoGloop lag much, minetest?
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22:08 mrtux this isn't minetest related but how do i ignore someone in irc
22:09 JamieWill lol
22:09 NekoGloop ... /ignore <username>
22:09 mrtux ok lol
22:09 JamieWill how do u listen to someone?
22:10 JamieWill mrtux?
22:10 mrtux yes
22:11 mrtux i'm not ignoring anyone here
22:11 JamieWill hi
22:11 JamieWill i kinda spilt lava?
22:12 JamieWill and my house was no more!
22:12 mrtux ah ok...
22:13 NekoGloop OMG SMUGLEAF
22:13 SmugLeaf OMG NEKO
22:13 NekoGloop Snivy reference?
22:13 SmugLeaf Maybe
22:13 NekoGloop That means yes ;)
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22:15 NekoGloop Why cant I get player detectors? O.o
22:15 VanessaE you need steel blocks
22:15 VanessaE but give me a bit, I have to fix that
22:15 NekoGloop Never mind
22:15 VanessaE there's lots of stuff to fix yet,
22:15 NekoGloop No, I couldnt find them in the creative inventory.
22:16 VanessaE they're object detectors :-)
22:16 VanessaE not player detectors
22:17 NekoGloop no, they're player detectors
22:17 VanessaE minetest.register_node("mesecons_detector:object_detector_on", {
22:17 NekoGloop Now how does one make them be inverted? What combination of mesecon torches and player detectors do I need?
22:17 VanessaE decription = "Player Detector" though
22:17 VanessaE do this:
22:18 VanessaE [Detector][glass][torch][mese wire]
22:18 VanessaE where the torch points straight out from the glass
22:18 VanessaE (parallel to the ground)
22:18 NekoGloop So having the torch be on the detector doesnt work?
22:18 VanessaE no
22:18 NekoGloop ok
22:18 VanessaE you have to have something between the power source and the torch
22:18 VanessaE not sure why that's necessary
22:19 NekoGloop Having an auto-opening door
22:19 VanessaE I meant why there has to be an intervening block :-)
22:19 NekoGloop needed an inverted player detector, since pressure plates are broken as hell
22:19 VanessaE hahahaha'
22:19 VanessaE minetest.register_node("mesecons_delayer:delayer_on_"..tostring(i), {
22:19 VanessaE description = "You hacker you",
22:20 NekoGloop lol
22:20 NekoGloop sdzen has an air item with description = "Air (You hacker you)"
22:20 NekoGloop on his server
22:20 VanessaE hehe
22:21 NekoGloop He gives it to people when they say they dont want anything
22:22 NekoGloop Solar Panels and Lava... y u no work together?
22:22 VanessaE not enough light from the lava probably
22:23 jin_xi notice how lava only glows in the dark
22:23 NekoGloop There's a hidden easter egg in gloopores ;)
22:24 * VanessaE goes back to hacking on mesecons
22:24 * VanessaE ... . o O ( hm..  don't forget to break torches and player detector. )
22:25 NekoGloop why?
22:26 VanessaE just to fuck up your circuits ;-)
22:26 VanessaE I am of course kidding :-)
22:26 NekoGloop ok
22:26 NekoGloop i figured you might be pulling what jeija did with the wires
22:27 VanessaE I told ya the wires weren't finished yet
22:27 VanessaE :-)
22:27 VanessaE but noooo you were all "gimme gimme gimme!!" :-)
22:28 NekoGloop One question: Where the hell do I need to put the texture in the current version?
22:28 VanessaE texture?
22:28 VanessaE for what?
22:28 NekoGloop the wires
22:28 NekoGloop its not loading in the latest version :P
22:28 VanessaE re-clone
22:28 VanessaE jeija just fixed that
22:28 NakedFury folder>textures in jeija mesecon
22:29 NekoGloop ok
22:31 vicscandl woot! temp finally <90deg F. time to walk to the store for tallcans and tobacco.
22:31 NekoGloop lolok
22:32 NekoGloop does noone care I put an easter egg in GloopOres?
22:34 vicscandl NekoGloop: uh, by saying there is an easter egg, you kinda just made it into an "undocumented feature"
22:34 vicscandl half the point is not knowing the EA is in there
22:35 NekoGloop Well it's incredibly well hidden.
22:35 NekoGloop So now whatever you wanna call it.
22:38 jin_xi /giveme gloopores:easteregg 999
22:38 NekoGloop lolno
22:39 NekoGloop its not called that, for one. too obvious ;)
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22:46 Keegan hello
22:47 NekoGloop so how has everyone's day been?
22:47 Keegan good
22:48 SmugLeaf https://images.4chan.org/v/src/1344724197177.jpg
22:48 JamieWill em well it s been 2 hours
22:48 JamieWill no its still today here in uk
22:48 JamieWill sorry
22:49 NekoGloop omg uk.
22:49 NekoGloop ENVY :3
22:50 hmmmm :/
22:51 NekoGloop How do I quickly get rid of a lot of water?
22:51 hmmmm mapblock.h, line 527, change u32 m_modified; to ModifiedState m_modified, line 174, change u32 getModified() to ModifiedState getModified()
22:52 hmmmm that'll take care of one of the annoying warnings
22:52 Keegan why cant i play on 0.4.2 r1 clients?
22:53 NekoGloop because you are a haxxor
22:53 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co6gYkelPOY I nightmara...
22:56 OldCoder NekoGloop, he is /ignoring you for now
22:56 NekoGloop No he's not.
22:56 OldCoder ?
22:57 NekoGloop He has responded to me :P
22:57 OldCoder I am confused
22:57 OldCoder If you mean right now
22:57 OldCoder This remark was my idea
22:57 NekoGloop [18:42] <NekoGloop> so how has everyone's day been?
22:57 NekoGloop [18:42] <Keegan> good
22:57 OldCoder Ha
22:57 * OldCoder shrugs
22:58 NekoGloop DAMMIT
22:58 NekoGloop ... I just //dig'd my entire house
22:58 NekoGloop was just trying to remove some water...
22:59 NekoGloop why does //dig not allow you to specify specific blocks?
22:59 NekoGloop So much for my MESEcons Paradise :P
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23:04 JamieWill nice :)
23:05 JamieWill good night!
23:05 Keegan bye
23:06 hmmmm oh my god
23:06 hmmmm i can't believe i didn't see this until now
23:06 hmmmm get rid of the_game()
23:06 NakedFury ?
23:06 hmmmm this is horrible, horrible, horrible, and definitely has a negative impact on performance
23:06 hmmmm break it up into lots of simple subroutines so the icache isn't constantly getting trashed every frame
23:07 SmugLeaf hmmmm: you just lost the_game()
23:07 NekoGloop you broke the_game()
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23:08 NakedFury what is that command or action or whatever hmmmm?
23:08 NekoGloop kick_hmmmm_in_the_ass("hard")
23:09 jin_xi he's talking about the source of minetest
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23:11 VanessaE hmmmm: do you think you can present a patch to fix the issue?
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23:12 NekoGloop VanessaE: I just //dig'd my house >.>
23:13 VanessaE :(
23:13 VanessaE sowwy
23:15 NekoGloop I thought the command took a certain node as a parameter
23:16 NekoGloop So I did //dig default:water_source to get rid of the water in my house (building into an ocean, fun fun).
23:16 NekoGloop BOOM
23:16 NekoGloop NO MORE HOUSE
23:17 NekoGloop Me: FUUUUUUUUUU--
23:17 NekoGloop Minetest: Ha-ha.
23:18 mrtux someone made a swastika on my server ;_;
23:19 NekoGloop kewl
23:19 NekoGloop did you know that the swastika, when flipped, is a symbol meaning "life"?
23:19 mrtux ah
23:19 NekoGloop (flipped horizontally)
23:19 mrtux i didn't know that
23:20 NekoGloop So look at the swastika from the other side ;)
23:21 hmmmm NakedFury, it's at map.cpp:837.
23:21 hmmmm VanessaE, I do plan on it - it's not an issue though, just more of a cleanup.  I needed to fix something else in that function, but I can't work with such a monstrosity
23:22 hmmmm so that's gonna get cleaned up first
23:22 VanessaE be sure you push your patches out in small increments
23:22 hmmmm -O3 trashes the icache effectively enough - we don't need _more_ trashing!
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23:22 VanessaE c55 insists that any patch only contain related changes
23:23 hmmmm I'll split my patch into the cleanup, and then the problem getting fixed
23:27 NekoGloop Meow~?
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23:30 Keegan_ why cant  use 0.4.2 r1 or 0.4.1
23:31 VanessaE use them with what?
23:31 Keegan_ servers
23:31 Keegan_ i cant play on them
23:32 NekoGloop hacked clients?
23:32 VanessaE well, if a server runs 0.4.1 or previous, 0.4.2 won't work because the server <-> client protocol has changed in a way that can't be made compatible
23:32 NakedFury 4.2 servers can only be played be 4.2 clients same with 4.1
23:33 VanessaE if the server runs 0.4.1 and your copy of 0.4.1 won't connect, probably the same thing - 0.4.x is not 100% stable yet, the server <-> client protocol occasionally gets updated and when that happens, it breaks compatibility with old versions.
23:33 VanessaE and if the server runs 0.3.x, you're definitely out of luck - that isn't compatible with anything in the 0.4 series.
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23:35 Keegan_ $$ok
23:36 NekoGloop ohai cornernote. again
23:37 VanessaE hey cornernote
23:45 NekoGloop With a lot of time on your hands, you could make a computer out of a handful of microcontrollers.
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23:46 NekoGloop Help with mesecon torch delayers, since normal delayers dont work?
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23:48 JamieWill Yep well on mrtux server i cant do anything cuz my password is now incorrrect!
23:48 mrtux hmm
23:50 NekoGloop ... random crash minetest as I look at another window >.>
23:50 NekoGloop Me: Let's look up some mesecons contraptions
23:50 NekoGloop Minetest: FUCK YOU
23:50 VanessaE ?
23:51 NekoGloop lol
23:51 VanessaE normal delayers do work, I'm using them right now in fact.
23:51 NekoGloop lolno
23:51 NekoGloop unless you have to piss on them to have them work
23:51 VanessaE (working on the textures and nodeboxes as we speak)
23:52 VanessaE [switch][delayer][mese wire....]
23:52 VanessaE punch the switch to turn the circuit on, punch the delayer to set the timeout
23:53 NekoGloop I'm trying to make some background music with the noteblocks (which Jeija gave my recipe to ;#)
23:53 NekoGloop ;3*

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