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* khonkhortisan |
made a drawer with a torch in it |
| 00:16 |
khonkhortisan |
out of 15 nodeboxes |
| 00:21 |
khonkhortisan |
I'm using 90 faces when I could use only 30 |
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khonkhortisan |
If my nodebox stretches over two nodes, how can I map a 2:1 texture so it spreads the same way? |
| 01:25 |
NakedFury |
good question and I would like to know the answer too |
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| 01:55 |
khonkhortisan |
um, a nodebox outside its node can hold sand up |
| 01:55 |
khonkhortisan |
and I can't dig the sand because it's a luaentity |
| 01:58 |
khonkhortisan |
I almost saw the elusive disappearing tree |
| 01:59 |
NakedFury |
a nodebox bigger than normal is still solid? |
| 02:01 |
khonkhortisan |
yes, but if you rotate it, there's one direction where it turns inside-out |
| 02:01 |
khonkhortisan |
I can't get it to respond to the collisionbox I set |
| 02:03 |
khonkhortisan |
I have made a drawer that can hold one item, unless the drawer itself is in another drawer |
| 02:09 |
khonkhortisan |
underwater grass exists |
| 02:10 |
khonkhortisan |
but not for very long |
| 02:43 |
leo_rockway |
I have noticed that minetest is using between 100% and 200% of my CPU, constantly. I just deleted all the mods and disabled fancy clouds, trees, water, etc... |
| 02:43 |
leo_rockway |
and it's still happenning |
| 02:43 |
leo_rockway |
hapenning* |
| 02:43 |
leo_rockway |
happening** -.- |
| 02:46 |
leo_rockway |
I have an i3, so 100%-200% CPU power is quite a lot |
| 02:47 |
leo_rockway |
(server and client) |
| 02:48 |
VanessaE |
what kind of frame rates are you getting? |
| 02:51 |
OWNSyouAll |
any idea when the rollback feature is getting put in |
| 02:51 |
OWNSyouAll |
like in 0.4.2 |
| 02:51 |
OWNSyouAll |
or when? |
| 02:51 |
VanessaE |
0.4.2 probably yes |
| 02:51 |
VanessaE |
it's already in git master |
| 02:51 |
VanessaE |
and 0.4.2-rc1 just came out |
| 02:52 |
leo_rockway |
I'm running latest git |
| 02:52 |
VanessaE |
and the last commit on github is that rc1 |
| 02:52 |
VanessaE |
so it's there |
| 02:52 |
leo_rockway |
VanessaE: do framerates show up in debug mode? (F5)? |
| 02:52 |
VanessaE |
I'm still running 0.4.1-stable until I see some indication that servers have started moving to 1.4.2 |
| 02:53 |
VanessaE |
leo_rockway: look in your window title bar |
| 02:53 |
VanessaE |
(at least that's where I see it) |
| 02:53 |
SmugLeaf |
nigga wut |
| 02:53 |
leo_rockway |
oh, thank you! |
| 02:53 |
leo_rockway |
VanessaE: ~30 |
| 02:53 |
VanessaE |
leo_rockway: what kind of graphics device? |
| 02:53 |
leo_rockway |
Using renderer: OpenGL 2.1 |
| 02:53 |
leo_rockway |
Mesa DRI Intel(R) Ironlake Mobile : Tungsten Graphics, Inc |
| 02:53 |
leo_rockway |
OpenGL driver version is 1.2 or better. |
| 02:53 |
leo_rockway |
GLSL version: 1.2 |
| 02:54 |
VanessaE |
Intel mobile gfx then |
| 02:54 |
leo_rockway |
correct |
| 02:54 |
VanessaE |
eh, I guess 30fps is okay |
| 02:54 |
leo_rockway |
yes, FPS are alright |
| 02:54 |
VanessaE |
onboard gfx chips are usually slow at 3d stuff |
| 02:54 |
VanessaE |
how fast of a processor? |
| 02:56 |
leo_rockway |
Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU M 370 @ 2.40GH |
| 02:56 |
leo_rockway |
according to lshw |
| 02:56 |
VanessaE |
to be sure, I've noticed a gradual performance loss in the game over time, but I don't know whether to attribute it to my HD texture pack growing over time or the game getting slower. |
| 02:56 |
leo_rockway |
that's why I got rid of all mods and textures just now |
| 02:56 |
leo_rockway |
to make sure those weren't the problem. |
| 02:56 |
leo_rockway |
I don't have any other process taking up 200% CPU, ever. |
| 02:56 |
VanessaE |
so even with default textures? |
| 02:57 |
leo_rockway |
except compiling and I'm forcing it to use all my cores |
| 02:57 |
leo_rockway |
VanessaE: yes, default textures, and fancy trees, clouds and light turned off. |
| 02:57 |
VanessaE |
eek |
| 02:57 |
VanessaE |
that doesn't seem right, even for onboard gfx |
| 02:57 |
leo_rockway |
correct o.o |
| 02:57 |
VanessaE |
and you're using the latest video driver? |
| 02:58 |
VanessaE |
you should file a github bug on this. You're not the first to complain of performance issues. |
| 02:58 |
leo_rockway |
yup, I'm on Arch testing |
| 02:58 |
leo_rockway |
so newer than that would be to compile the driver from git |
| 02:59 |
leo_rockway |
alright, I'll file a bug |
| 02:59 |
VanessaE |
eh, that should be fine. What kind of performance do you get out of other 3d apps? |
| 02:59 |
VanessaE |
google earth for example, open arena, etc |
| 03:01 |
VanessaE |
damn, it ain't just you either |
| 03:02 |
leo_rockway |
I'll check with Tremulous real quick... |
| 03:02 |
VanessaE |
I just checked with default textures, and aside from having a bunch of mods installed, it drops below 30 fps depending on what I'm looking at and how high I am |
| 03:02 |
VanessaE |
view distance of 150 |
| 03:02 |
VanessaE |
and I'm in a 6-code 2.8 GHz Phenom II, Radeon HD6870 video card |
| 03:02 |
VanessaE |
so my machine is no slouch at all |
| 03:04 |
VanessaE |
from a height of 53m, looking out over what's currently loaded, roughly 30-40 fps, unless I look at the sky, then it peaks to 62 |
| 03:05 |
VanessaE |
if I look straight down at the ground, 23 FPS. |
| 03:05 |
VanessaE |
this is definitely not right for such a high-end video card |
| 03:13 |
leo_rockway |
mmhh... Tremulous is using 100% CPU, so then this must not be a Minetest thing. |
| 03:13 |
leo_rockway |
Minetest is using 200% because it seems to understand multicores |
| 03:13 |
leo_rockway |
which Tremulous doesn't... |
| 03:14 |
VanessaE |
leo_rockway: no, minetest is slow |
| 03:15 |
leo_rockway |
>.< |
| 03:15 |
VanessaE |
there's no reason my big-ass video card should ever drop below 60 fps with 16px textures |
| 03:15 |
leo_rockway |
yeah, true. |
| 03:15 |
VanessaE |
leo_rockway: file that github issue anyway |
| 03:16 |
VanessaE |
others have said the same, that old versions of minetest are much faster |
| 03:16 |
leo_rockway |
yes, they were |
| 03:17 |
VanessaE |
the texture animations he added turned out to not be nearly as low-resource as he thought, too |
| 03:19 |
leo_rockway |
I don't even have a github account and I don't really want one. I'll see about that tomorrow, since I'm going to sleep soon. |
| 03:21 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 03:24 |
VanessaE |
fwiw: |
| 03:25 |
VanessaE |
the almost-current git build I have gives far better performance than 0.4.1 |
| 03:25 |
VanessaE |
(like 40 fps vs. 25ish looking at the same piece of landscape under the same conditions as before) |
| 03:26 |
VanessaE |
(with the same mods, default textures, etc) |
| 03:26 |
mrdragons |
Oh cool, newest git build isn't labeled "dev" but "rc1". :D |
| 03:27 |
VanessaE |
I should pull it in and see how it behaves. |
| 03:28 |
* VanessaE |
builds it. |
| 03:30 |
VanessaE |
0.4.2-rc1 seems to be about the same as the other one; faster than 0.4.1-stable for sure. |
| 03:32 |
VanessaE |
hm, maybe not so much. wtf? |
| 03:36 |
leo_rockway |
there's a mob mod available too |
| 03:37 |
VanessaE |
yeah I saw that, didn't install it though |
| 03:38 |
VanessaE |
this is terrible |
| 03:38 |
VanessaE |
22 fps looking down at the ground from 50m up? |
| 03:39 |
VanessaE |
(most of the ground is at least 2-3m above sea level or more, so I'm ~45m above the ground) |
| 03:45 |
leo_rockway |
the DM have chests now |
| 03:47 |
VanessaE |
leo_rockway: reported the performance issue. |
| 03:47 |
VanessaE |
https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/184 |
| 03:47 |
leo_rockway |
great |
| 03:47 |
leo_rockway |
=] |
| 03:49 |
VanessaE |
there, look at that. :-) |
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| 03:55 |
VanessaE |
now get yer butt onto github and make an account and comment on this issue :-) |
| 04:02 |
mrdragons |
Playing on my own box has always been really laggy though. *shrugs* |
| 04:02 |
mrdragons |
Which is weird, you'd think the lack of network overhead and stuff would make it faster |
| 04:03 |
VanessaE |
you'd think so yeah |
| 04:04 |
VanessaE |
this is definitely a CPU issue - the game's spending way too much CPU time doing something and not letting the GPU run full-tilt. |
| 04:16 |
VanessaE |
there. The more of the map that's loaded, the worse the performance, even if the additional map area is *not* visible. |
| 04:24 |
mrdragons |
hmm, maybe the sqlite parts could use some optimization |
| 04:25 |
VanessaE |
dunno |
| 04:32 |
roboman2444 |
so... i havent used minetest in like 6 months, what is new? |
| 04:34 |
VanessaE |
lots of stuff has changed |
| 04:34 |
VanessaE |
too much to list here. |
| 04:34 |
mrdragons |
New modding stuffs, clouds, day/night, sound, support for multiple worlds, etc |
| 04:34 |
roboman2444 |
ah |
| 04:34 |
VanessaE |
you'd be better off looking at the forums and github commits :-) |
| 04:34 |
roboman2444 |
anything to make it look... well better? |
| 04:35 |
VanessaE |
depends on how you define "better" |
| 04:35 |
VanessaE |
there are lots of texture packs |
| 04:35 |
VanessaE |
lots of nice mods, etc |
| 04:36 |
roboman2444 |
well not using sprites for everything |
| 04:36 |
roboman2444 |
and perhaps some specular maps or normal maps or something |
| 04:37 |
mrdragons |
roboman2444: Yeah, some stuff that was sprites are now nodes, and mobs are either gone or being redone |
| 04:37 |
mrdragons |
were* |
| 04:37 |
roboman2444 |
ah, nice |
| 04:38 |
roboman2444 |
i would really like to see some better gfx stuff for it, like specular and normal maps |
| 04:52 |
VanessaE |
can I get you two to try this? |
| 04:52 |
VanessaE |
https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/184 |
| 04:52 |
VanessaE |
follow the test procedure given there, to the letter |
| 04:52 |
VanessaE |
tell me if your experiences follow mine? |
| 04:55 |
mrdragons |
How do you set time and viewing distance? |
| 04:57 |
VanessaE |
time is /time xxxx |
| 04:57 |
VanessaE |
view distance is +/- |
| 05:00 |
mrdragons |
Still getting a fps of 25-40 |
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| 05:01 |
VanessaE |
did you follow the procedure *precisely*? |
| 05:02 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: can you run through this test procedure and tell me if your experience is similar to mine? https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues?state=open |
| 05:02 |
VanessaE |
also, hi :-) |
| 05:02 |
Calinou |
hi |
| 05:03 |
mrdragons |
VanessaE: Yeah, and if a specific procedure has to be followed, does it count as a regression? It'd be more of a bug |
| 05:04 |
VanessaE |
mrdragons: it does if the test procedure is a way to reliably reproduce the bug. |
| 05:05 |
VanessaE |
just saying "fly up to X meters and fly around and see what it does to your FPS" introduces too many uncertanties. |
| 05:06 |
VanessaE |
the standard in filing bug reports is that if you can provide a test case or an exact step-by-step procedure, even if it's nothing that the average person would do, do so anyway |
| 05:06 |
VanessaE |
at least with other projects |
| 05:07 |
VanessaE |
mrdragons: also, your FPS wouldn't be "25 to 40" if you followed that procedure exactly. |
| 05:07 |
VanessaE |
you'd have come up with a bottom number only :-) |
| 05:07 |
VanessaE |
I dunno, maybe it wouldn't |
| 05:08 |
VanessaE |
maybe your OS/distro/build/whatever is different enough from mine to not trigger this |
| 05:12 |
Calinou |
"Do not install any mods or create a config file - that is, leave everything in its 'factory fresh' state." < why? |
| 05:12 |
Calinou |
"Maybe 145 is too much for your computer" < maybe |
| 05:13 |
VanessaE |
because if you do, it will change the results |
| 05:13 |
Calinou |
VanessaE, do you have desktop effects on? |
| 05:13 |
Calinou |
it is strongly advised to turn them off when playing |
| 05:13 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: no. |
| 05:13 |
VanessaE |
no compositor is running on my machine. |
| 05:14 |
Calinou |
a radeon HD6870 graphics card is an high-end graphics card, no? |
| 05:14 |
VanessaE |
I'd say 145 is too much IF it mattered whether I was looking across a wide vista rather than just 50m down to the ground. |
| 05:14 |
VanessaE |
indeed it is. Big bastard two, takes two slots. |
| 05:14 |
VanessaE |
(or rather, the space of two, PCIe x16 I think) |
| 05:14 |
Calinou |
O_o |
| 05:16 |
VanessaE |
also re: 145 - in other words, I'm only looking at a distance of, at the very most, perhaps 70 nodes, whatever the hypotenuse would be at 50m up and the default field of view. |
| 05:20 |
VanessaE |
just realized my typo. s/d two,/d too,/ |
| 05:22 |
mrdragons |
Repeated it, still getting around 25-35 fps |
| 05:22 |
VanessaE |
so it dropped a little for you also. |
| 05:23 |
VanessaE |
for it it drops horrendously :( |
| 05:23 |
VanessaE |
you running win or linux? |
| 05:25 |
mrdragons |
Linux |
| 05:25 |
VanessaE |
hm |
| 05:25 |
VanessaE |
x86 or x86_64? |
| 05:26 |
mrdragons |
64 bit, kernel 3.4.4-2 (Arch linux default build) |
| 05:26 |
VanessaE |
hm, 64 bit here too, kernel 3.2.0 |
| 05:26 |
VanessaE |
I wonder why such a drastic difference? |
| 05:26 |
VanessaE |
inb4 Calinou says nVidia 99 AMD 0 |
| 05:26 |
VanessaE |
;-) |
| 05:26 |
Calinou |
lolarchlinux |
| 05:27 |
mrdragons |
Yeah arch sucks man |
| 05:28 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: what's your experience with that test? |
| 05:29 |
mrdragons |
VanessaE: I'm not sure, my hardware is a bit worse than yours. 0_o |
| 05:30 |
* Calinou |
is downloading warsow 1.0 |
| 05:30 |
Calinou |
actually a rebranded 0.7 |
| 05:30 |
Calinou |
VanessaE, didn't try, I guess I should try :p |
| 05:30 |
VanessaE |
please do |
| 05:30 |
VanessaE |
I need backup on this :-) |
| 05:34 |
Calinou |
wtf... downloading at 270kb/sec |
| 05:34 |
Calinou |
awesome |
| 05:34 |
VanessaE |
nice |
| 05:34 |
Calinou |
ok, I'm now trying that procedue in win7 64 bit |
| 05:34 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 05:34 |
Calinou |
procedure* |
| 05:35 |
mrdragons |
lolwindows |
| 05:36 |
Calinou |
created a vanilla install of the game... |
| 05:36 |
Calinou |
mrdragons, STFU if you're not happy about it |
| 05:36 |
Calinou |
it's the only OS where you can be sure about GPU drivers |
| 05:36 |
VanessaE |
he's right, unfortunately. |
| 05:36 |
Calinou |
I do run debian testing, too, in a VM when needed. |
| 05:36 |
VanessaE |
linux video drivers sometimes suck |
| 05:36 |
VanessaE |
anyway |
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| 05:37 |
mrdragons |
All my video cards are old and crappy, thus, are well supported. :P |
| 05:37 |
Calinou |
found a flat landscape... |
| 05:37 |
Calinou |
more recent GPUs are usually better-supported than old ones |
| 05:37 |
Calinou |
from my experience |
| 05:38 |
* Calinou |
is gonna like his 570gtx: 50-400FPS in red eclipse, in a VM with free drivers |
| 05:38 |
mrdragons |
Well, old and crappy by a gamer's terms, maybe 2 or 3 years old |
| 05:38 |
Calinou |
beat that c: |
| 05:38 |
VanessaE |
mrdragons: my video card was first released I think 2 years ago. |
| 05:38 |
VanessaE |
definitely not "old and crappy" :-) |
| 05:39 |
Calinou |
erm, I capped my FPS to 65 in-game, should I uncap them, VanessaE? |
| 05:39 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: probably not necessary. |
| 05:39 |
Calinou |
k |
| 05:39 |
VanessaE |
but |
| 05:39 |
VanessaE |
you should be running a completely vanilla game - no changes to the default config file at all |
| 05:39 |
mrdragons |
Calinou: Setting up a decent sane environment for C development in windows is maddening though |
| 05:39 |
Calinou |
+1 |
| 05:39 |
VanessaE |
whatever comes with the game when you install it |
| 05:39 |
Calinou |
I do, VanessaE |
| 05:39 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 05:39 |
Calinou |
didn't even change keys, lol |
| 05:40 |
Calinou |
have to press W to go forward, not Z |
| 05:40 |
VanessaE |
oh, you mean capped at the video driver level? |
| 05:40 |
Calinou |
well, whatever the setting comes with the game |
| 05:40 |
khonkhortisan |
why would you press Z? |
| 05:40 |
VanessaE |
oh |
| 05:40 |
Calinou |
didn't force vsync in driver |
| 05:40 |
khonkhortisan |
what layout? |
| 05:40 |
Calinou |
khonkhortisan, azerty |
| 05:40 |
khonkhortisan |
oh I think you told me that |
| 05:40 |
VanessaE |
well whatever the setting is, leave it there ;-) |
| 05:41 |
VanessaE |
my video driver settings all appear to be at the defaults, not synced to vblank, etc. |
| 05:44 |
Calinou |
I tested: I have not experienced any performance loss, outside of going very high, since a lot of blocks were rendered |
| 05:44 |
Calinou |
I had a slight performance loss when flying downwards to reach the starting point though, for no real reason |
| 05:44 |
VanessaE |
it's when you go up to 50m that you start to see it |
| 05:44 |
Calinou |
I did go up to 50-60m |
| 05:45 |
VanessaE |
but did you fly around the map a second time to get more of it to load? |
| 05:45 |
Calinou |
yes |
| 05:45 |
VanessaE |
well then why the hell am I seeing such an unpredictable, reasonless variance? |
| 05:45 |
VanessaE |
:( |
| 05:46 |
Calinou |
nvidia 99-0 amd |
| 05:46 |
Calinou |
:p |
| 05:46 |
VanessaE |
[07-29 01:26] <VanessaE> inb4 Calinou says nVidia 99 AMD 0 |
| 05:46 |
VanessaE |
:P |
| 05:46 |
VanessaE |
but why would loading more of the map, which I can't see anyway, slow the gam down? |
| 05:47 |
VanessaE |
I mean, is it sitting there rendering shit off-screen? |
| 05:47 |
Calinou |
maybe |
| 05:47 |
Calinou |
ask c55 :P |
| 05:47 |
VanessaE |
he'll just say it's unimportant :-) |
| 05:48 |
Calinou |
is "unimportant" a word? :o |
| 05:49 |
VanessaE |
it is to c55 ;) |
| 05:49 |
khonkhortisan |
yes it's a word |
| 05:49 |
Calinou |
it's the bestest of the words. |
| 05:50 |
Calinou |
8 minutes left in downloading warsow; the game is 494MB |
| 05:50 |
Calinou |
276kb/sec |
| 05:52 |
* VanessaE |
frowns at her shitty luck :-/ |
| 05:54 |
darkrose |
bad luck's better than no luck at all! |
| 05:54 |
Calinou |
+1 |
| 05:55 |
VanessaE |
pfft |
| 05:55 |
VanessaE |
darkrose: you got a machine with the cohones to try that procedure? :-)\ |
| 05:57 |
VanessaE |
maybe it only affects high-end gfx cards or something |
| 05:57 |
darkrose |
try what? |
| 05:57 |
VanessaE |
darkrose: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/184 |
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| 05:58 |
VanessaE |
trying to see if there's a pattern. I can't be the only one this is happening to. |
| 06:03 |
Calinou |
http://c55.me/blog/ |
| 06:03 |
Calinou |
^ |
| 06:03 |
Calinou |
mobs! |
| 06:03 |
Calinou |
gonna install it, keeping 0.4.1 anyway |
| 06:08 |
VanessaE |
I'm beginning to think the problem is my computer itself, hardware issue. overheating maybe? |
| 06:09 |
khonkhortisan |
so when you build a library with super-tall shelves, what do you need to go with it? |
| 06:09 |
VanessaE |
lamps and potted plants. |
| 06:09 |
VanessaE |
and a chair |
| 06:09 |
khonkhortisan |
that's right, a rolling ladder! |
| 06:10 |
VanessaE |
hah |
| 06:11 |
khonkhortisan |
I think papyrus has gone extinct in gameboom |
| 06:12 |
GTRsdk |
mobs! where? |
| 06:12 |
* GTRsdk |
looks at web site (gonna load the page) |
| 06:12 |
VanessaE |
jeez |
| 06:12 |
VanessaE |
temp2: +73.5°C (high = +80.0°C, hyst = +75.0°C) sensor = thermistor |
| 06:13 |
VanessaE |
that can't be right can it? |
| 06:13 |
khonkhortisan |
my graphics card went from 49°C to 108°C then rebooted the computer so I replaced it |
| 06:13 |
khonkhortisan |
what's your lowest? |
| 06:13 |
VanessaE |
not sure, low 40s I think |
| 06:13 |
VanessaE |
I rarely look at it |
| 06:14 |
khonkhortisan |
yeah that might be bad |
| 06:14 |
khonkhortisan |
look up the numbers for your card |
| 06:14 |
VanessaE |
I can't be sure that ^^ is the GPU |
| 06:15 |
VanessaE |
(though likely, since a CPU usually maxes at 70. |
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khonkhortisan |
it was most definitely the gpu |
| 06:15 |
VanessaE |
and "temp1" currently reads 50, which is probably the CPU. |
| 06:15 |
* VanessaE |
cracks the case open to check the fan |
| 06:16 |
khonkhortisan |
my temp1 is right under the gpu temp in gkrellm, then I have two other temps I don't know what they do |
| 06:18 |
VanessaE |
well the fans all seem okay, though the GPU doesn't seem like it's spinning as fast as one might expect. |
| 06:18 |
VanessaE |
temps are coming back down just from opening the box. must be a clogged intake |
| 06:18 |
khonkhortisan |
how many temps do you have? |
| 06:18 |
VanessaE |
3. |
| 06:18 |
VanessaE |
"temp1" (currently 55) |
| 06:18 |
VanessaE |
"temp2" (currently 65.5) |
| 06:18 |
VanessaE |
"temp3" (currently 28.5) |
| 06:19 |
khonkhortisan |
(GPU C 41) (temp1 52) (temp2 37) (temp1 42.8) here. I don't know what the double temp1 is for |
| 06:20 |
VanessaE |
whoever wrote this sensors utility needs to take a course in "making shit obvious". |
| 06:20 |
VanessaE |
"temp1"? come on. |
| 06:20 |
khonkhortisan |
yeah it should be linked to your hardware names |
| 06:20 |
VanessaE |
make an effort people, try to guess at least, what the device is that returned that figure. |
| 06:21 |
khonkhortisan |
they tried to write a temperature moniter, it worked, so they went with it |
| 06:23 |
VanessaE |
well the "temp2" reading has dropped to 59.5 but the game doesn't seem to be showing any signs of improved framerate, so it's not an overheat issue. |
| 06:23 |
khonkhortisan |
you could always stress test |
| 06:25 |
VanessaE |
how? |
| 06:25 |
khonkhortisan |
there are actuall stress testing programs |
| 06:27 |
khonkhortisan |
I found one that ran in wine and was able to reboot on cue |
| 06:28 |
VanessaE |
ok, a quick compile of something shows the "temp2" number to be the CPU |
| 06:28 |
VanessaE |
(it rises while temp1 stays put) |
| 06:28 |
VanessaE |
that number can't possibly be right then; 75 degrees? my machine should have shut down at that point |
| 06:29 |
VanessaE |
sigh, where's my artic silver when I need it? :-/ |
| 06:47 |
khonkhortisan |
I can't just build a bridge out of rail, I need something under it for collision |
| 06:49 |
VanessaE |
bbl |
| 06:49 |
khonkhortisan |
aka ttfn |
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vicscandl |
meep |
| 07:09 |
cornernote_ |
meep-meep |
| 07:09 |
khonkhortisan |
meep sleep |
| 07:09 |
GTRsdk |
sleep sleep |
| 07:12 |
vicscandl |
smelting: (have not looked in code or forums yet) can the furnace be used to create more than one item when smelting? ie: 1 cobble = 1 stone and 1 gravel (example, not what i'm doing) |
| 07:12 |
cornernote_ |
crafts can only have 1 output |
| 07:12 |
cornernote_ |
they do have a return item functionality |
| 07:13 |
cornernote_ |
so perhaps that can be used |
| 07:13 |
vicscandl |
on the furnace? |
| 07:13 |
vicscandl |
hrm... not to that point yet in my code where i'm going to need that, but thanks... i'll head that direction |
| 07:13 |
cornernote_ |
yeah, on furnace... all crafts work pretty much the same way |
| 07:14 |
vicscandl |
oh, so i can return on craft to the "materials box" that is not (per se) an "empty version" but another item all together... |
| 07:14 |
vicscandl |
effing perfect |
| 07:15 |
vicscandl |
lets go try that out... :) |
| 07:15 |
cornernote |
yeah, that should work |
| 07:15 |
cornernote |
let me know |
| 07:15 |
vicscandl |
doing it now |
| 07:15 |
cornernote |
whats your mod ? |
| 07:16 |
vicscandl |
not released yet, keeping it under wraps for a few (hours/days) to avoid someone else with a competing mod.. |
| 07:16 |
vicscandl |
not sure if its been done, but no active mod is doing it per se as i've seen.. |
| 07:16 |
vicscandl |
:) |
| 07:17 |
vicscandl |
give me a bit, this should be good |
| 07:17 |
vicscandl |
not mesecons good, but once i launch it, you will see its possibilties quick |
| 07:18 |
cornernote |
sounds promising |
| 07:18 |
vicscandl |
(( note: i've never played minecraft )) |
| 07:18 |
cornernote |
same |
| 07:18 |
khonkhortisan |
I played the demo on a tablet |
| 07:18 |
cornernote |
my kids found minecraft, and then i found minetest |
| 07:18 |
vicscandl |
my son just got it on xbox cause he plays the shit out minetest |
| 07:18 |
vicscandl |
(( xbox at his moms house )) |
| 07:18 |
Calinou |
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/82342922/screenshot_8335183.png < hugging DMs, lol... I tested the new experimental "mob" mod that adds dungeons and DMs... they do not fire fireballs. also there are chests in dungeons with stuff :D |
| 07:19 |
Calinou |
the dungeon gen freezes the game for a bit, though. :/ |
| 07:19 |
vicscandl |
dad is 100% ANTI-M$, even the xbox |
| 07:19 |
khonkhortisan |
Any Good Mod Freezes The Game |
| 07:19 |
vicscandl |
khonkhortisan: haghahahaha |
| 07:19 |
vicscandl |
no, any mod with SHITTY CODE freezes the game.. :) |
| 07:20 |
cornernote |
many mod writers are new, cant help bad code unless you wanna review it all |
| 07:20 |
khonkhortisan |
your sword is serrated |
| 07:20 |
vicscandl |
concepts are perfect, execution always shows up with sandy vasoline... |
| 07:21 |
vicscandl |
cornernote: FOSS = you are your code |
| 07:22 |
vicscandl |
cornernote: i do review mods i run on my servers tho.. :) |
| 07:22 |
cornernote |
im new, im sure my code is far from perfect |
| 07:23 |
cornernote |
depends how good the code i copied was =) |
| 07:23 |
* vicscandl |
has been writing code for more than 30 years at this point... |
| 07:23 |
cornernote |
i fix the mods i play with, but some are hundreds of lines |
| 07:23 |
cornernote |
generally its just api fixes |
| 07:23 |
cornernote |
if the server bombs i'll read the stack trace and fix it |
| 07:24 |
vicscandl |
cornernote: aye, most code is shit... i'm a professional turdherder (read: programmer) |
| 07:24 |
cornernote |
my job is a php developer... for the last 10 years |
| 07:24 |
vicscandl |
i <3 php, stupid simple |
| 07:25 |
cornernote |
not great at lua or c, but its just a matter of reading docs, learning |
| 07:25 |
vicscandl |
lua is ok, c is gold |
| 07:25 |
vicscandl |
lua *does* get the job done tho... |
| 07:26 |
vicscandl |
used it to mod the MUD i used to admin years ago |
| 07:26 |
cornernote |
yeah, but for what i do (make web applications), php is better than c for developer performance |
| 07:26 |
cornernote |
each language has a place, and a right/wrong time to use it |
| 07:26 |
vicscandl |
aye |
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vicscandl |
ok, back to checking on that multi craft shit |
| 07:27 |
Calinou |
http://servers.minetest.ru/ |
| 07:27 |
Calinou |
^ one server has 100% uptime! |
| 07:27 |
Calinou |
<vicscandl> dad is 100% ANTI-M$, even the xbox |
| 07:27 |
Calinou |
the xbox can go F itself, as any console can |
| 07:27 |
* Calinou |
is a computer gamer |
| 07:27 |
Calinou |
<khonkhortisan> your sword is serrated < misa pack FTW :p |
| 07:27 |
Calinou |
what do you have against serrated swords? :c |
| 07:28 |
vicscandl |
Calinou: they hurt.... better... |
| 07:28 |
vicscandl |
oh, you said *against*... |
| 07:29 |
vicscandl |
Calinou: crafting, i want to generate more than one output... can i replace a non-existant item from a crafting recipie with a new item? |
| 07:29 |
Calinou |
I don't know :f |
| 07:30 |
vicscandl |
ok. i'll test that out too... grrr |
| 07:30 |
Calinou |
possibly not |
| 07:30 |
vicscandl |
assume not |
| 07:30 |
vicscandl |
ok, screw it, i'll just make more recipies.. damn |
| 07:30 |
nyuszika7h |
hi! |
| 07:31 |
Calinou |
WTF: c55.me port 30001 < server |
| 07:31 |
Calinou |
hi nyuszika7h |
| 07:56 |
vicscandl |
nope |
| 07:56 |
vicscandl |
damn |
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cornernote |
Calinou, man would love to keep building, but its sooo laggy |
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emerbe |
ok, I realized that there is high CPU usage in minetest 4.2 RC |
| 08:14 |
emerbe |
4.1 - about 40-50 % |
| 08:14 |
emerbe |
4.2 RC - about 50-80% |
| 08:15 |
GTRsdk |
emerbe: are you doing the same stuff/looking at the same stuff in both versions? |
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emerbe |
end I don't know why |
| 08:15 |
emerbe |
not really |
| 08:16 |
emerbe |
but more complicated world is in 4.1 |
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vicscandl |
emerbe: set your mapgen key to be the same in both versions |
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vicscandl |
makes a huge diff when doing the compares.. |
| 08:16 |
emerbe |
ok |
| 08:16 |
emerbe |
i;ll |
| 08:17 |
emerbe |
try |
| 08:17 |
emerbe |
can I just copy world? |
| 08:18 |
vicscandl |
i run two virtual machines that have a "script" that plays both the same and watch them on the screen at the same time... |
| 08:18 |
vicscandl |
heheeh |
| 08:19 |
vicscandl |
yea, thats what i do |
| 08:19 |
vicscandl |
(copy world dir) |
| 08:21 |
emerbe |
ok |
| 08:22 |
emerbe |
4.1: loading/generating world - 60-80%, looking at generated world - 10-30% | CPU's temp.: 54 C; fan: 1850-1920 RPM |
| 08:23 |
emerbe |
now on 4.2 RC |
| 08:23 |
emerbe |
moment |
| 08:25 |
emerbe |
4.2 RC: loading/generating world - unknown, looking at generated world - 50-80% [!!!] | CPU's temp.: 60 C; fan: 2090- 2250 RPM |
| 08:25 |
emerbe |
huge diff.. |
| 08:26 |
vicscandl |
yep. i'd say |
| 08:27 |
emerbe |
when I start game in 4.2RC, my CPU's fan gets sounding like a jet engine |
| 08:27 |
emerbe |
.. |
| 08:27 |
vicscandl |
about the same here for cpu load under alike virtual servers, temp and fan speed are not relevant for me as i'm not running *one* server per machine |
| 08:27 |
emerbe |
i know |
| 08:27 |
emerbe |
(temp and fan) |
| 08:28 |
vicscandl |
my closet sounds like a fucking airport 24/7 |
| 08:28 |
emerbe |
xd |
| 08:28 |
emerbe |
brb |
| 08:46 |
Calinou |
<emerbe> 4.2 RC - about 50-80% |
| 08:46 |
Calinou |
remember, the windows version was compiled with mingw > slower |
| 08:47 |
* Calinou |
doesn't even know why he says this, emerbe being an harshlinuxian |
| 08:47 |
* Calinou |
crosses fingers |
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emerbe |
what? |
| 09:12 |
emerbe |
now, I'm on WinXP but I have also Kubuntu and Ubu Studio |
| 09:12 |
vicscandl |
zzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 09:12 |
vicscandl |
makes a huge diff when doing the compares.. t |
| 09:12 |
emerbe |
but to be honest I'm noob on linux.. |
| 09:13 |
emerbe |
or lamer... |
| 09:13 |
emerbe |
idk |
| 09:13 |
emerbe |
xd |
| 09:19 |
emerbe |
or from another way... Linux is too pro for me |
| 09:19 |
emerbe |
so.. |
| 09:20 |
emerbe |
do you have any idea what's happening.. |
| 09:27 |
emerbe |
hah |
| 09:27 |
emerbe |
I turned off smooth lighting |
| 09:27 |
emerbe |
and |
| 09:27 |
emerbe |
4.2 RC: CPU: 30-50% |
| 09:27 |
emerbe |
60 FPS |
| 09:27 |
emerbe |
CPU's temp. 54 C, fan: 1800 RPM |
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cornernote |
arg, the last build stored my stuff in c:\users\xxx\appdata\roaming\minetest ... now the latest stores them back in c:/minetest |
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Calinou |
brobostigon, 0.4.2-rc1 is out ;) |
| 13:11 |
brobostigon |
thank you Calinou :) |
| 13:11 |
Calinou |
it has rollback/logging now |
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brobostigon |
good idea. |
| 13:11 |
Calinou |
you can see who griefed a building and rollback it using /rollback (requires rollback privilege) |
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brobostigon |
ah, very useful. |
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NakedFury |
is the rollback server wide or something player specific? |
| 15:04 |
Calinou |
huh? |
| 15:05 |
NakedFury |
something like /rollback Calinou and all you did rollsback |
| 15:05 |
NakedFury |
or /rollback and the server goes back a few hours |
| 15:05 |
Calinou |
not sure |
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thexyz |
first one |
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Nemo08 |
hi all! |
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Keegan_ |
hello |
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thexyz |
hi |
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Keegan_ |
what server you guys play on |
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thexyz |
Keegan_: http://servers.minetest.ru/ |
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Keegan_ |
hey sdzen |
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sdzen |
hello |
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Keegan_ |
can someone make a seperate mod form mobs liike zombies or alien lke stuff |
| 16:36 |
NakedFury |
why? right now any mob mod sucks |
| 16:36 |
Keegan_ |
i know i ask for a new one |
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| 16:48 |
Keegan_ |
still noone talks on here too |
| 16:49 |
Calinou |
this is IRC... most people are idling |
| 16:49 |
Keegan_ |
for what |
| 16:50 |
Calinou |
because? |
| 16:50 |
Keegan_ |
what are they idling |
| 16:50 |
Calinou |
people are often on 20+ different channels |
| 16:50 |
bas080 |
Hey Keegan. maybe you could make a mob mod yourself. Do you have any programming experience? |
| 16:50 |
Calinou |
they're sometimes busy or just sleeping |
| 16:50 |
Calinou |
bas080, no, he asn't |
| 16:50 |
Calinou |
notice bas080 12 year old teen from the forums, see his posts |
| 16:50 |
Calinou |
FAIL notice |
| 16:50 |
Calinou |
I forgot the / |
| 16:51 |
* Calinou |
ragequits |
| 16:51 |
GTRsdk |
a 12 year old teen? |
| 16:51 |
Calinou |
Keegan_, lol, sorry :p |
| 16:58 |
bas080 |
everyone can learn how to program. You only need to put your mind to it. |
| 16:58 |
Keegan_ |
ok then how |
| 17:00 |
GTRsdk |
For sure need to learn lua, and possibly C++ |
| 17:00 |
bas080 |
You could try to make a very simple game. Like pong or something. You could use processing.org or gamemaker if you don't want to worry too much about the technical stuff. |
| 17:00 |
GTRsdk |
if you want to make a mob pack of some sort |
| 17:00 |
Calinou |
<bas080> everyone can learn how to program. You only need to put your mind to it. |
| 17:00 |
Calinou |
learning C++ |
| 17:00 |
Calinou |
OKAY |
| 17:00 |
Calinou |
just no, lol. |
| 17:00 |
* Calinou |
sucks at lua already... he mostly knows the syntax so that mods "work" |
| 17:01 |
Calinou |
I wouldn't even call that programming, yet I made the 3rd most popular mod (forum views) |
| 17:01 |
Calinou |
gamemaker hurts your brain forever - don't use it |
| 17:01 |
bas080 |
That is my take on it too. Just trying to see the connections and changing stuff. It's not called modding for nothing |
| 17:03 |
bas080 |
gamemaker was a gateway programming language to me |
| 17:03 |
GTRsdk |
It isn't too hard if you want to do simple stuff |
| 17:03 |
Calinou |
colored blocks :3 |
| 17:03 |
GTRsdk |
like... makign the furnace burn water buckets |
| 17:03 |
Calinou |
LOL |
| 17:04 |
thexyz |
that can't be called "programming" |
| 17:04 |
Calinou |
+1 |
| 17:04 |
Calinou |
gtg. |
| 17:05 |
GTRsdk |
Keegan_: Which OS do you use? |
| 17:16 |
Keegan_ |
when does badcommand come on |
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jin_xi |
the lua book is really good, read it when you want to mod |
| 17:23 |
Keegan_ |
what about +++notepad |
| 17:25 |
GTRsdk |
notepad++ (if that's what you meant) is kind of like gedit, so... it is good until you want to see white text on a black screen :) |
| 17:25 |
VanessaE |
afternoon all |
| 17:25 |
thexyz |
doesn't it support themes? |
| 17:26 |
Keegan_ |
hey |
| 17:26 |
GTRsdk |
maybe it does |
| 17:27 |
VanessaE |
looking at the above I have to ask myself: what's so different between now and 25 years ago that people today just can't seem to figure out how to use and program on a computer? |
| 17:28 |
VanessaE |
(Not aimed at you, Keegan. It's just a general observation) |
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Keegan_ |
i dont programm i just rebuild computers |
| 17:30 |
GTRsdk |
it will be bad then, when the current developers for stuff retire |
| 17:31 |
VanessaE |
I learned when I was 12 from books that came with my C64 and additional books and magazines that were popular at the time. |
| 17:31 |
GTRsdk |
but once the crackers retire, then it should be all equal |
| 17:31 |
VanessaE |
It was a no-brainer back then |
| 17:32 |
GTRsdk |
cool |
| 17:32 |
Keegan_ |
i have about 4 laptops |
| 17:32 |
Keegan_ |
but three is broken and old |
| 17:33 |
GTRsdk |
too bad there aren't any guides like that that come with computers nowadays |
| 17:33 |
VanessaE |
yeah I know. |
| 17:35 |
Keegan_ |
on the game what does the server privs do? |
| 17:36 |
GTRsdk |
server privs allow stuff like shutting down the server (just the program though, not the actual computer itself) from within the game |
| 17:36 |
Keegan_ |
thats it? |
| 17:37 |
Keegan_ |
can you add mods without being the owner |
| 17:37 |
VanessaE |
no. |
| 17:38 |
VanessaE |
adding mods requires copying files on the machine that acts as the server, and possibly configuring those mods thereon. |
| 17:38 |
Keegan_ |
how do you port forward your router |
| 17:38 |
GTRsdk |
You can sometimes go to http://router and configure it |
| 17:38 |
khonkhortisan |
Keegan_: that's a good question, which I haven't successfully done |
| 17:39 |
GTRsdk |
but if you want to play with friends which are on the same network (via LAN), you just give them the NAT ip. |
| 17:40 |
Keegan_ |
how do i find my nat ip |
| 17:40 |
Keegan_ |
my homepage for my router? |
| 17:41 |
GTRsdk |
sometimes you can get it from the router page |
| 17:41 |
Keegan_ |
how |
| 17:41 |
GTRsdk |
http://router might show something like dHCP clients |
| 17:41 |
Keegan_ |
yea im on the router page |
| 17:41 |
GTRsdk |
*DHCP |
| 17:42 |
VanessaE |
bear in mind that you probably aren't allowed to run a server. Your ISP's terms of service agreement may forbid such things. |
| 17:42 |
VanessaE |
(common with residential internet connections |
| 17:42 |
VanessaE |
) |
| 17:42 |
thexyz |
what? |
| 17:43 |
Keegan_ |
?? |
| 17:43 |
GTRsdk |
which would not, however, forbid peopel on your network playing on a server you host (only on NAT though) |
| 17:43 |
thexyz |
why the fuck would ISP don't allow you to host a server? |
| 17:43 |
VanessaE |
true. |
| 17:43 |
Keegan_ |
whats your isp |
| 17:43 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: beats the hell out of me. Bandwidth usage maybe (which is of course, bullshit) |
| 17:43 |
GTRsdk |
Keegan_: or you could go to the Windows command prompt, and type in ipconfig |
| 17:44 |
VanessaE |
but I have never seen an ISP that allowed you, officially, to run servers of any kind from a residential-level account. |
| 17:44 |
VanessaE |
you usually have to pay for a business-level account, even if it's still going to a residence. |
| 17:44 |
thexyz |
i think they just don't care |
| 17:44 |
Keegan_ |
is the right connection is dyanamic |
| 17:45 |
Keegan_ |
ok forget this stuff but how do you port forward |
| 17:45 |
GTRsdk |
Which router manufacturer & model? |
| 17:46 |
GTRsdk |
and is there a modem which controls stuff going to the router? |
| 17:47 |
Keegan_ |
Firmware Version F5D8236-4_WW_3.00.02 Boot Version 1.00 Hardware F5D8236-4 v3000 |
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hoxu |
some old version of minetest server seems to have truncated all playerfiles, and ipban.txt & env_meta.txt |
| 17:51 |
hoxu |
how does minetest server handle running out of diskspace (or quota)? |
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hoxu |
hmm, right - I guess I'll paste this on #minetest-delta |
| 17:52 |
GTRsdk |
Keegan_: Belkin? |
| 17:52 |
Keegan_ |
yes |
| 17:53 |
GTRsdk |
You need to know your IP address before port forwarding |
| 17:53 |
Keegan_ |
do |
| 17:53 |
GTRsdk |
but once you know that, there should be a Virtual Servers part on the left side |
| 17:53 |
Keegan_ |
yes |
| 17:54 |
GTRsdk |
which supposedly makes it work (I haven't had it work due to having a modem block everything for me) |
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| 18:01 |
Keegan_ |
ok |
| 18:02 |
Keegan_ |
i did the virtual server |
| 18:05 |
Keegan_ |
whats a free good port forward programm |
| 18:06 |
GTRsdk |
then use canyouseeme.org to see if it works |
| 18:06 |
thexyz |
you don't need program for that |
| 18:06 |
GTRsdk |
if Tor woudl only do UDP, then it would be possible to anonymously play Minetest... |
| 18:08 |
Keegan_ |
I could not see your service on 66.227.###,## on port (30000) Reason: Connection timed out |
| 18:09 |
GTRsdk |
which ISP do you have? |
| 18:09 |
Keegan_ |
belkin |
| 18:10 |
Keegan_ |
charter |
| 18:11 |
GTRsdk |
hmm |
| 18:11 |
GTRsdk |
it coudl be that the modem blocks stuff too |
| 18:11 |
GTRsdk |
if there is one |
| 18:11 |
Keegan_ |
there is a modem |
| 18:11 |
VanessaE |
(why does everyone and their dog have to use a dedicated router? Am I the only one who goes direct to the PC and uses THAT as the household router?) |
| 18:12 |
GTRsdk |
VanessaE: other people aren't as 1337... a dedicated router is like 1, 2, 3, and it is setup |
| 18:12 |
VanessaE |
eh, I suppose |
| 18:12 |
Keegan_ |
how to unblock the modem |
| 18:13 |
thexyz |
VanessaE: so, you has only one device which can access internet, right? |
| 18:13 |
thexyz |
^ have |
| 18:13 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: no. |
| 18:13 |
VanessaE |
in fact I have 5 devices that access the network, though only two are currently connected |
| 18:14 |
thexyz |
how do you share it then? |
| 18:14 |
VanessaE |
(I am too lazy to set up wireless access since my last reinstall) |
| 18:14 |
VanessaE |
my PC has a second NIC which goes to a gigabit switch. |
| 18:14 |
VanessaE |
and it has a wireless card for devices that need that method, like my laptop, Wii, and Blu-Ray player. |
| 18:14 |
thexyz |
anyway |
| 18:14 |
thexyz |
it's cheaper to use dedicated router |
| 18:15 |
VanessaE |
not really - my workstation IS the routing machine :-) |
| 18:15 |
VanessaE |
and print server |
| 18:15 |
VanessaE |
and file server |
| 18:15 |
thexyz |
do you shut it down? |
| 18:15 |
VanessaE |
when neither of us are using it yeah |
| 18:16 |
Keegan_ |
whens that barely never |
| 18:16 |
VanessaE |
(though usually it's on 24/7) |
| 18:20 |
GTRsdk |
if you use an Atom machine, then the price gets to be abotu the same, btu with added freedom... it is worth it |
| 18:20 |
Keegan_ |
is badcommand online |
| 18:22 |
GTRsdk |
but with a number of routers I've come across, the DHCP servers are not online, so I can't really connect to them :-/ |
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| 18:29 |
Keegan_ |
anyone have a minecraft account that they dont want anymore |
| 18:30 |
GTRsdk |
yeah |
| 18:30 |
VanessaE |
no. No one here would ever use THAT |
| 18:30 |
Keegan_ |
can i have it |
| 18:31 |
GTRsdk |
Why would you want it? It's not like as if I paid for the full Minecraft.... && Minetest is better IMHO |
| 18:31 |
Keegan_ |
i know i just want to grieft minecraft so it wouldnt come over here |
| 18:32 |
VanessaE |
if you want to grief something you are not particularly welcome here. I hope you're not serious. |
| 18:32 |
Keegan_ |
im not serious |
| 18:32 |
Keegan_ |
actually i just wanted to see how it is |
| 18:32 |
* VanessaE |
is a hard-ass when it comes to griefing. |
| 18:33 |
Keegan_ |
and play with my school friends |
| 18:33 |
VanessaE |
so tell your friends to use minetest, or buy a proper account on minecraft |
| 18:33 |
Keegan_ |
but i dont have that much money |
| 18:34 |
GTRsdk |
then tell your friends to play minetest |
| 18:34 |
Keegan_ |
because they lke mnecraft more |
| 18:35 |
VanessaE |
you mean "because they've never tried minetest" don't you? |
| 18:35 |
GTRsdk |
if they don't care enough to play minetest just 1 time or so... are they true friends? |
| 18:35 |
Keegan_ |
yea |
| 18:40 |
GTRsdk |
okay, so I've seen how important the GPU is now... I tried running Minetest on a PowerPC machine, with no GPU drivers, and it gets very low FPS |
| 18:40 |
* GTRsdk |
looks into compiling Minetest 0.4.1 on OS X |
| 18:41 |
VanessaE |
didn't someone just release an OSX binary? |
| 18:51 |
GTRsdk |
Where at? |
| 18:51 |
VanessaE |
not sure where, just saw talk of it on -dev a couple days ago |
| 18:52 |
* GTRsdk |
only foudn the outdated 0.4-dev ones at a minetest-mac git repo on github |
| 18:52 |
Keegan_ |
gtg |
| 18:58 |
GTRsdk |
I doubt the new ones woudl support PowerPC, if there is a new one. |
| 18:59 |
VanessaE |
I thought macs went to x86? |
| 19:01 |
GTRsdk |
they went to that, then x86_64 |
| 19:01 |
GTRsdk |
but I don't have any x86 or x86_64 Macs, so I think I might end up having to compile minetest the linux way |
| 19:01 |
VanessaE |
ah ok |
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| 20:17 |
leo_rockway |
farming mod looks good... |
| 20:17 |
leo_rockway |
hello, everyone |
| 20:18 |
Keegan__ |
hello is it sable for the latest version |
| 20:18 |
leo_rockway |
is there a lua api for setting a spawn point for oneself? |
| 20:18 |
leo_rockway |
Keegan__: latest master is not stable but rc1. |
| 20:19 |
leo_rockway |
VanessaE: I'm getting better FPS with latest |
| 20:19 |
Keegan__ |
im gonna better fps with madchickens fps higher texture pack |
| 20:19 |
leo_rockway |
around 60, which makes sense since I have vsync anyway |
| 20:20 |
leo_rockway |
I really can't wait for mobs... |
| 20:20 |
VanessaE |
leo_rockway: ok |
| 20:20 |
leo_rockway |
I like the idea of singleplayer survival mode á la MC |
| 20:20 |
VanessaE |
mobs exist - c55 released a preliminary mod that adds DMs back into the game |
| 20:20 |
leo_rockway |
VanessaE: yes, they don't do anything yet. |
| 20:20 |
leo_rockway |
they don't shoot |
| 20:20 |
NakedFury |
how are the mobs? 3d? |
| 20:21 |
leo_rockway |
NakedFury: no, still 2d. |
| 20:21 |
NakedFury |
ew |
| 20:21 |
leo_rockway |
I think c55 doesn't want 3D. |
| 20:21 |
leo_rockway |
I don't mind 2D too much |
| 20:21 |
NakedFury |
yeah he doesnt want 3d so he hamstrings his engine |
| 20:21 |
VanessaE |
leo_rockway: good - I don't want some DM smashing up my house :-) |
| 20:22 |
leo_rockway |
I do |
| 20:22 |
leo_rockway |
there's no fun otherwise o.o |
| 20:22 |
NakedFury |
me too |
| 20:22 |
VanessaE |
c55 doesn't want any 3d mobs if the code for them isn't flexible enough |
| 20:22 |
VanessaE |
and he doesn't want anything that looks minecraft-ish |
| 20:23 |
NakedFury |
too bad |
| 20:23 |
VanessaE |
(e.g. blocky like sheep/pigs/players are) |
| 20:23 |
NakedFury |
he should have used some other game to copy then |
| 20:23 |
NakedFury |
thats easy to not do |
| 20:23 |
NakedFury |
give us the option to load 3d models |
| 20:23 |
NakedFury |
we take care of the rest |
| 20:23 |
VanessaE |
someone, I forget who, was playing around with loading/displaying Q3/OA mobs using some feature already present in irrlicht |
| 20:24 |
khonkhortisan |
um if I put two wooden slabs on top of each other I just lost five wood |
| 20:24 |
NakedFury |
yes |
| 20:24 |
VanessaE |
but whether he was doing that in the context of the game, I don't know |
| 20:24 |
leo_rockway |
I don't want to get Minecraft, because it's not free.. |
| 20:24 |
leo_rockway |
so having MT behave like MC wouldn't be bad for me. |
| 20:24 |
VanessaE |
khonkhortisan: yes. the recipe to make slabs is stupid |
| 20:24 |
leo_rockway |
free as in freedom, not money. |
| 20:25 |
VanessaE |
3 blocks -> 6 slabs would make more sense |
| 20:25 |
VanessaE |
(and be less wasteful) |
| 20:25 |
khonkhortisan |
it should either be 3 wood = 1 slab or 2 slab = 1 wood, not both |
| 20:25 |
khonkhortisan |
three blocks is a whole lot of wood! |
| 20:25 |
VanessaE |
*nod8 |
| 20:25 |
VanessaE |
*nod* |
| 20:25 |
VanessaE |
it should be 3 wood -> 6 slabs, 2 slabs -> 1 wood. |
| 20:26 |
VanessaE |
that way there's no waste |
| 20:26 |
leo_rockway |
VanessaE: if you put light outside your house the DMs shouldn't spawn near it anyway, right? |
| 20:26 |
khonkhortisan |
three nodes would be much better than three blocks for a recipe :) |
| 20:26 |
VanessaE |
and for G*d sakes don't combine the fucking things just because I placed two side by side |
| 20:26 |
khonkhortisan |
yeah that's what happened to me, I put it on the side of another one |
| 20:26 |
VanessaE |
leo_rockway: dunno. Been too long since I dealt with (and got my ass kicked by) a DM. :-) |
| 20:27 |
leo_rockway |
that's what I know about MC. Mobs only spawn in dark spaces. |
| 20:27 |
NakedFury |
yes |
| 20:27 |
NakedFury |
dark places and spawners |
| 20:27 |
leo_rockway |
I don't like the idea of copying every single feature of MC, but some of them are neat. |
| 20:27 |
NakedFury |
yes they are |
| 20:28 |
leo_rockway |
I don't really care for the whole nether thing, for instance. |
| 20:28 |
NakedFury |
like 3d mobs |
| 20:28 |
leo_rockway |
or an end boss. |
| 20:28 |
leo_rockway |
I don't care about 3D mobs either, as long as they exist and attack. |
| 20:28 |
leo_rockway |
I'm not against them, though. |
| 20:28 |
NakedFury |
3d is better than flat mobs |
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leo_rockway |
I don't really like the sprites of the animalsmod. They look out of place. |
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| 20:29 |
VanessaE |
leo: bug filed. |
| 20:30 |
leo_rockway |
VanessaE: for the CPU usage? |
| 20:31 |
VanessaE |
no, for the slabs issue, actually that was for khonkhortisan not you :-) |
| 20:31 |
VanessaE |
brain-o :-) |
| 20:32 |
leo_rockway |
I just noticed that the FPSs had improved because I had lowered the view range to 5... |
| 20:32 |
leo_rockway |
I forgot I had done that. |
| 20:32 |
leo_rockway |
even then, they still go down to 30... |
| 20:33 |
Keegan__ |
download madchickens 3x3 higher fps texture pack |
| 20:34 |
leo_rockway |
I'll check them out, but this is still an issue in the new[er] code. |
| 20:34 |
VanessaE |
khonkhortisan: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/188 |
| 20:34 |
Keegan__ |
anyone know openblox?? |
| 20:35 |
VanessaE |
leo_rockway: I keep mine set at 150. I'd go higher but minetest is too slow even on fast hardware like mind. |
| 20:35 |
VanessaE |
mine* |
| 20:35 |
VanessaE |
Keegan__: never heard of it. |
| 20:35 |
leo_rockway |
Keegan__: openbox? yes. |
| 20:35 |
Keegan__ |
<DangerOnTheRangr> is makng it |
| 20:35 |
leo_rockway |
openblox, no idea. |
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| 20:36 |
leo_rockway |
I'm thinking of making a bed that sets spawn coordinates and sets the time to morning. The bed mod in the forum is not working anymore, apparently. |
| 20:37 |
khonkhortisan |
if it sets the time, wouldn't it only be for singleplayer? |
| 20:37 |
leo_rockway |
yes, that's what I usually play... |
| 20:37 |
Keegan__ |
he should make it a surivival opton |
| 20:37 |
leo_rockway |
mhm |
| 20:38 |
leo_rockway |
I want to play minetest survival style |
| 20:38 |
leo_rockway |
there's no challenge in getting into a cave now |
| 20:38 |
leo_rockway |
since nothing attacks you |
| 20:38 |
leo_rockway |
there's no hunger either |
| 20:39 |
leo_rockway |
I'm not too keen on creative mode |
| 20:39 |
NakedFury |
hunger or sanity bar or thirst |
| 20:39 |
leo_rockway |
does MC have those things? |
| 20:39 |
Keegan__ |
agreed |
| 20:39 |
NakedFury |
only hunger |
| 20:39 |
leo_rockway |
I'd like some bar |
| 20:39 |
NakedFury |
but we need something to increase challenge |
| 20:39 |
leo_rockway |
NakedFury: those are good ideas... |
| 20:40 |
Keegan__ |
then there needs to be more food and make cups |
| 20:40 |
NakedFury |
hunger or thirst increases your need to make farms or get food |
| 20:40 |
NakedFury |
oxigen for underwater exploration |
| 20:40 |
leo_rockway |
blockplanet has hunger and oxygen |
| 20:40 |
leo_rockway |
bars, that is. |
| 20:41 |
NakedFury |
oxygen is in almost all games |
| 20:41 |
khonkhortisan |
I'd want food more than oxygen, but soulfu has the hunger way too high |
| 20:41 |
leo_rockway |
scuba diving mod o.o |
| 20:41 |
khonkhortisan |
yeah! |
| 20:41 |
Keegan__ |
plus 10 |
| 20:41 |
leo_rockway |
I don't have a lot of time, but I really want to make a mod. |
| 20:42 |
NakedFury |
for underwater we first need a way to add underwater things without having the water make a bubble |
| 20:42 |
leo_rockway |
I've been wanting to toy with Lua for a very long time. |
| 20:42 |
Keegan__ |
a clock |
| 20:42 |
Keegan__ |
to see the ingame time |
| 20:42 |
leo_rockway |
mhm |
| 20:43 |
leo_rockway |
there's a light mod that changes intensity according to the amount of light. |
| 20:43 |
leo_rockway |
of natural light, that is. |
| 20:43 |
leo_rockway |
the guy who did that suggested changing the textures to make a clock. |
| 20:45 |
Keegan__ |
a clock and a calender |
| 20:45 |
Keegan__ |
for a mod |
| 20:47 |
leo_rockway |
VanessaE: does unified dye use flowers? |
| 20:47 |
VanessaE |
yes |
| 20:47 |
VanessaE |
best to use flowers from Nature Pack Controlled or standard Nature PAck\ |
| 20:48 |
leo_rockway |
that was my next question =] Thank you. |
| 20:48 |
VanessaE |
I probably should adjust the yields in the dyes. At present, 1 flower produces two portions of pigment |
| 20:49 |
sfan5 |
<khonkhortisan> I'd want food more than oxygen, but soulfu has the hunger way too high |
| 20:49 |
sfan5 |
blockplanet c++ has food |
| 20:50 |
leo_rockway |
the animals mod has raw food |
| 20:50 |
leo_rockway |
the nature mod has pies |
| 20:50 |
sfan5 |
i mean a hunger bar |
| 20:55 |
khonkhortisan |
if I have a spiral staircase, should it be lower in the center or higher in the center? |
| 20:55 |
leo_rockway |
weather would be nice... |
| 20:55 |
VanessaE |
khonkhortisan: what do you mean lower or higher? |
| 20:56 |
khonkhortisan |
if you move in a spiral, you go up and down. If you go toward the center or to the outside of the staircase, it's not flat. There's also stairs going that direction as well as spiraling |
| 20:56 |
khonkhortisan |
it's like a cone |
| 20:57 |
khonkhortisan |
so should the spiral staircase be shaped like the outside of a cone or the inside of a cone? |
| 20:59 |
khonkhortisan |
heh. the person who made stairs forgot to make an offset door |
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| 20:59 |
arda7an |
hi! |
| 20:59 |
khonkhortisan |
hello |
| 20:59 |
arda7an |
how r u doing? |
| 21:00 |
VanessaE |
Oh, well I'd have said neither, it should be a simple spiral :-) |
| 21:00 |
khonkhortisan |
pretty good, can't say the same for my mods |
| 21:00 |
khonkhortisan |
I'm trying to make my luxury house as expensive-looking as possible |
| 21:00 |
arda7an |
hmm :D |
| 21:00 |
leo_rockway |
meh, farming mod doesn't have description tooltips... |
| 21:00 |
* leo_rockway |
adds them |
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| 21:02 |
arda7an |
gr8 alt for minecraft i must say |
| 21:02 |
arda7an |
$26 ffs is too much for a Java game! |
| 21:02 |
leo_rockway |
MC is 26USD? |
| 21:02 |
Keegan__ |
yes |
| 21:02 |
arda7an |
yeah |
| 21:02 |
VanessaE |
pay for software? *shudder* |
| 21:03 |
thexyz |
no, it's free |
| 21:03 |
thexyz |
oops, wait... |
| 21:03 |
khonkhortisan |
yes xyz we changed subjects |
| 21:04 |
leo_rockway |
I don't mind paying as long as I have the freedom to do with it whatever I want |
| 21:04 |
leo_rockway |
if I had spare money I'd donate to a lot of projects. Minetest would be one of them. |
| 21:05 |
NakedFury |
I dont know why paying for software is so bad, creators need to eat too |
| 21:05 |
leo_rockway |
I'd probably set bounties. Give me nice mobs, you get 50USD or something like that. |
| 21:05 |
khonkhortisan |
paying for updates is bad |
| 21:05 |
VanessaE |
actually I was thinking of dropping a little something into c55's coffers as a "thank you" |
| 21:06 |
khonkhortisan |
freedroid rpg has mob bounties, the robots drop electronics you can sell |
| 21:06 |
leo_rockway |
VanessaE: yeah, I want to do that. I can't get USD in my country, though :S |
| 21:06 |
leo_rockway |
nor Euros =[ |
| 21:06 |
khonkhortisan |
why? |
| 21:06 |
leo_rockway |
khonkhortisan: government has set up a restriction. |
| 21:06 |
VanessaE |
what country? |
| 21:07 |
NakedFury |
anti american and european country |
| 21:07 |
leo_rockway |
oh, I played freedroid once. At the time it was crashing for me (a video card problem). I should try it again. |
| 21:07 |
leo_rockway |
Argentina |
| 21:07 |
VanessaE |
ah |
| 21:07 |
NakedFury |
latin power!!! |
| 21:07 |
leo_rockway |
it's not exactly anti american or european. The government is running out of money, so they are gathering all the dollars / euros themselves... |
| 21:07 |
khonkhortisan |
with freedroid rpg, you get to the end of the game, and find out it's still being developed. Then when you update it, you find out your savefile doesn't work anymore. |
| 21:07 |
leo_rockway |
they say it's because of patriotism, though o.0 |
| 21:08 |
leo_rockway |
khonkhortisan: yeah, I'm kind of used to that... |
| 21:08 |
khonkhortisan |
patriotism isn't collecting money from other countries |
| 21:08 |
leo_rockway |
yes, tell that to them :S |
| 21:08 |
khonkhortisan |
I stopped playing freedroid for that reason |
| 21:08 |
leo_rockway |
anyway, I'm testing 3 games: Minetest, OpenGOO, Flare... |
| 21:08 |
leo_rockway |
so I'm used to things changing |
| 21:08 |
leo_rockway |
and being incomplete |
| 21:19 |
* leo_rockway |
fails at adding tooltips to the farming mod :S |
| 21:24 |
leo_rockway |
I succeeded for the hoe, but it has a generic "Hoe" description instead of "Stone hoe" |
| 21:26 |
leo_rockway |
well, now it's called cobble hoe... |
| 21:27 |
leo_rockway |
but it's the best I can do without reading on Lua grammar... |
| 21:31 |
khonkhortisan |
Lease the new Cobblehoe with zero percent APR financing... |
| 21:33 |
VanessaE |
oh and for crying out loud, the words are "potato" and "rye", not "potatoe" and "rhy". :-) |
| 21:33 |
GTRsdk |
<GTRsdk> ;;isitdown minecraft.net |
| 21:33 |
GTRsdk |
<gribble> http://minecraft.net Is Down -> Check if your website is up or down? |
| 21:33 |
khonkhortisan |
I don't get it |
| 21:34 |
leo_rockway |
there, fixed the names and I'm learning Lua ^_^ |
| 21:35 |
leo_rockway |
VanessaE: I haven't seen that yet. That's funny. |
| 21:35 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 21:36 |
VanessaE |
maybe cornernote's copy is outdated, but that's what they were in the ones he had in that minetest recipe/mod wiki thing he's working on :-) |
| 21:39 |
leo_rockway |
what's cotton useful for? |
| 21:39 |
VanessaE |
I think jordach's cotton mod uses it |
| 21:39 |
VanessaE |
otherwise I'm not exactly sure |
| 21:39 |
leo_rockway |
also, there's this tall grass thing that has no tips and no mining animation... |
| 21:40 |
leo_rockway |
this one farming:tallgrass |
| 21:41 |
leo_rockway |
I have no seeds yet... |
| 21:45 |
leo_rockway |
there's probably a reason why the farming mod is in "old mods" |
| 21:50 |
leo_rockway |
yay, seeds! |
| 21:59 |
khonkhortisan |
haha putting a step under another step combines them. I guess they aren't meant for the ceiling |
| 22:04 |
VanessaE |
shouldn't happen with stairs, only slabs |
| 22:05 |
khonkhortisan |
yes it was slabs |
| 22:05 |
khonkhortisan |
my spiral staircase doesn't exactly match up with the floors |
| 22:21 |
Keegan__ |
how do you get rid of cloud without worldedit |
| 22:22 |
khonkhortisan |
admin pickaxe? creative mode? |
| 22:22 |
Keegan__ |
is the admin pckaxe a mod? |
| 22:22 |
khonkhortisan |
yeah |
| 22:26 |
Keegan__ |
how do you do it with creative mode |
| 22:27 |
khonkhortisan |
how did you get cloud? |
| 22:28 |
Keegan__ |
giveme |
| 22:29 |
khonkhortisan |
I dunno, someone else take over this conversation |
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| 23:12 |
khonkhortisan |
aw no glass slabs |
| 23:14 |
leo_rockway |
whoever maintains minetest.com needs to update the "what's the catch" part. Minetest has sounds. |
| 23:14 |
* khonkhortisan |
saw that and kept quiet |
| 23:15 |
leo_rockway |
and coal can't be made by smelting trunks anymore. |
| 23:15 |
khonkhortisan |
aw that would've been cool if I could do that, I have hundreds of trunks |
| 23:15 |
leo_rockway |
khonkhortisan: it used to be like that. Kind of like MC charcoal. |
| 23:16 |
leo_rockway |
apparently mesecons is fun, but I can't remember all the recipes, so I'm not even going to try it. |
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| 23:20 |
leo_rockway |
well, farming mod doesn't work, that's for sure... I can't rip what I sow. |
| 23:20 |
leo_rockway |
reap* |
| 23:35 |
leo_rockway |
great, I think I'll be able to have a bed that saves the spawn location and sets the time to morning soon... |
| 23:36 |
leo_rockway |
only for singleplayer |
| 23:46 |
cy1 |
well, glomie's server's on protocol 12... |
| 23:46 |
cy1 |
leo_rockway: There's a mod for smelting trunks into coal. |
| 23:49 |
leo_rockway |
cy1: yeah, sounds like an easy enough mod. Thanks for the tip, though. |
| 23:49 |
leo_rockway |
there's plenty of real coal anyway... |
| 23:56 |
GTRsdk |
smelting trunks into mese or iron woudl be awesome :D |
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| 23:57 |
Keegan |
hello my friends |
| 23:59 |
leo_rockway |
where's the API reference? |
| 23:59 |
leo_rockway |
I found this: http://minetest.net/wiki/doku.php?id=code:global_functions |
| 23:59 |
leo_rockway |
but seems rather incomplete... |
