Time  Nick            Message
00:15 * khonkhortisan made a drawer with a torch in it
00:16 khonkhortisan   out of 15 nodeboxes
00:21 khonkhortisan   I'm using 90 faces when I could use only 30
01:21 khonkhortisan   If my nodebox stretches over two nodes, how can I map a 2:1 texture so it spreads the same way?
01:25 NakedFury       good question and I would like to know the answer too
01:55 khonkhortisan   um, a nodebox outside its node can hold sand up
01:55 khonkhortisan   and I can't dig the sand because it's a luaentity
01:58 khonkhortisan   I almost saw the elusive disappearing tree
01:59 NakedFury       a nodebox bigger than normal is still solid?
02:01 khonkhortisan   yes, but if you rotate it, there's one direction where it turns inside-out
02:01 khonkhortisan   I can't get it to respond to the collisionbox I set
02:03 khonkhortisan   I have made a drawer that can hold one item, unless the drawer itself is in another drawer
02:09 khonkhortisan   underwater grass exists
02:10 khonkhortisan   but not for very long
02:43 leo_rockway     I have noticed that minetest is using between 100% and 200% of my CPU, constantly. I just deleted all the mods and disabled fancy clouds, trees, water, etc...
02:43 leo_rockway     and it's still happenning
02:43 leo_rockway     hapenning*
02:43 leo_rockway     happening** -.-
02:46 leo_rockway     I have an i3, so 100%-200% CPU power is quite a lot
02:47 leo_rockway     (server and client)
02:48 VanessaE        what kind of frame rates are you getting?
02:51 OWNSyouAll      any idea when the rollback feature is getting put in
02:51 OWNSyouAll      like in 0.4.2
02:51 OWNSyouAll      or when?
02:51 VanessaE        0.4.2 probably yes
02:51 VanessaE        it's already in git master
02:51 VanessaE        and 0.4.2-rc1 just came out
02:52 leo_rockway     I'm running latest git
02:52 VanessaE        and the last commit on github is that rc1
02:52 VanessaE        so it's there
02:52 leo_rockway     VanessaE: do framerates show up in debug mode? (F5)?
02:52 VanessaE        I'm still running 0.4.1-stable until I see some indication that servers have started moving to 1.4.2
02:53 VanessaE        leo_rockway: look in your window title bar
02:53 VanessaE        (at least that's where I see it)
02:53 SmugLeaf        nigga wut
02:53 leo_rockway     oh, thank you!
02:53 leo_rockway     VanessaE: ~30
02:53 VanessaE        leo_rockway: what kind of graphics device?
02:53 leo_rockway     Using renderer: OpenGL 2.1
02:53 leo_rockway     Mesa DRI Intel(R) Ironlake Mobile : Tungsten Graphics, Inc
02:53 leo_rockway     OpenGL driver version is 1.2 or better.
02:53 leo_rockway     GLSL version: 1.2
02:54 VanessaE        Intel mobile gfx then
02:54 leo_rockway     correct
02:54 VanessaE        eh, I guess 30fps is okay
02:54 leo_rockway     yes, FPS are alright
02:54 VanessaE        onboard gfx chips are usually slow at 3d stuff
02:54 VanessaE        how fast of a processor?
02:56 leo_rockway     Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU       M 370  @ 2.40GH
02:56 leo_rockway     according to lshw
02:56 VanessaE        to be sure, I've noticed a gradual performance loss in the game over time, but I don't know whether to attribute it to my HD texture pack growing over time or the game getting slower.
02:56 leo_rockway     that's why I got rid of all mods and textures just now
02:56 leo_rockway     to make sure those weren't the problem.
02:56 leo_rockway     I don't have any other process taking up 200% CPU, ever.
02:56 VanessaE        so even with default textures?
02:57 leo_rockway     except compiling and I'm forcing it to use all my cores
02:57 leo_rockway     VanessaE: yes, default textures, and fancy trees, clouds and light turned off.
02:57 VanessaE        eek
02:57 VanessaE        that doesn't seem right, even for onboard gfx
02:57 leo_rockway     correct o.o
02:57 VanessaE        and you're using the latest video driver?
02:58 VanessaE        you should file a github bug on this.  You're not the first to complain of performance issues.
02:58 leo_rockway     yup, I'm on Arch testing
02:58 leo_rockway     so newer than that would be to compile the driver from git
02:59 leo_rockway     alright, I'll file a bug
02:59 VanessaE        eh, that should be fine.  What kind of performance do you get out of other 3d apps?
02:59 VanessaE        google earth for example, open arena, etc
03:01 VanessaE        damn, it ain't just you either
03:02 leo_rockway     I'll check with Tremulous real quick...
03:02 VanessaE        I just checked with default textures, and aside from having a bunch of mods installed, it drops below 30 fps depending on what I'm looking at and how high I am
03:02 VanessaE        view distance of 150
03:02 VanessaE        and I'm in a 6-code 2.8 GHz Phenom II, Radeon HD6870 video card
03:02 VanessaE        so my machine is no slouch at all
03:04 VanessaE        from a height of 53m, looking out over what's currently loaded, roughly 30-40 fps, unless I look at the sky, then it peaks to 62
03:05 VanessaE        if I look straight down at the ground, 23 FPS.
03:05 VanessaE        this is definitely not right for such a high-end video card
03:13 leo_rockway     mmhh... Tremulous is using 100% CPU, so then this must not be a Minetest thing.
03:13 leo_rockway     Minetest is using 200% because it seems to understand multicores
03:13 leo_rockway     which Tremulous doesn't...
03:14 VanessaE        leo_rockway: no, minetest is slow
03:15 leo_rockway     >.<
03:15 VanessaE        there's no reason my big-ass video card should ever drop below 60 fps with 16px textures
03:15 leo_rockway     yeah, true.
03:15 VanessaE        leo_rockway: file that github issue anyway
03:16 VanessaE        others have said the same, that old versions of minetest are much faster
03:16 leo_rockway     yes, they were
03:17 VanessaE        the texture animations he added turned out to not be nearly as low-resource as he thought, too
03:19 leo_rockway     I don't even have a github account and I don't really want one. I'll see about that tomorrow,  since I'm going to sleep soon.
03:21 VanessaE        ok
03:24 VanessaE        fwiw:
03:25 VanessaE        the almost-current git build I have gives far better performance than 0.4.1
03:25 VanessaE        (like 40 fps vs. 25ish looking at the same piece of landscape under the same conditions as before)
03:26 VanessaE        (with the same mods, default textures, etc)
03:26 mrdragons       Oh cool, newest git build isn't labeled "dev" but "rc1". :D
03:27 VanessaE        I should pull it in and see how it behaves.
03:28 * VanessaE      builds it.
03:30 VanessaE        0.4.2-rc1 seems to be about the same as the other one; faster than 0.4.1-stable for sure.
03:32 VanessaE        hm, maybe not so much.  wtf?
03:36 leo_rockway     there's a mob mod available too
03:37 VanessaE        yeah I saw that, didn't install it though
03:38 VanessaE        this is terrible
03:38 VanessaE        22 fps looking down at the ground from 50m up?
03:39 VanessaE        (most of the ground is at least 2-3m above sea level or more, so I'm ~45m above the ground)
03:45 leo_rockway     the DM have chests now
03:47 VanessaE        leo_rockway: reported the performance issue.
03:47 VanessaE        https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/184
03:47 leo_rockway     great
03:47 leo_rockway     =]
03:49 VanessaE        there, look at that. :-)
03:55 VanessaE        now get yer butt onto github and make an account and comment on this issue :-)
04:02 mrdragons       Playing on my own box has always been really laggy though. *shrugs*
04:02 mrdragons       Which is weird, you'd think the lack of network overhead and stuff would make it faster
04:03 VanessaE        you'd think so yeah
04:04 VanessaE        this is definitely a CPU issue - the game's spending way too much CPU time doing something and not letting the GPU run full-tilt.
04:16 VanessaE        there.  The more of the map that's loaded, the worse the performance, even if the additional map area is *not* visible.
04:24 mrdragons       hmm, maybe the sqlite parts could use some optimization
04:25 VanessaE        dunno
04:32 roboman2444     so... i havent used minetest in like 6 months, what is new?
04:34 VanessaE        lots of stuff has changed
04:34 VanessaE        too much to list here.
04:34 mrdragons       New modding stuffs, clouds, day/night, sound, support for multiple worlds, etc
04:34 roboman2444     ah
04:34 VanessaE        you'd be better off looking at the forums and github commits :-)
04:34 roboman2444     anything to make it look... well better?
04:35 VanessaE        depends on how you define "better"
04:35 VanessaE        there are lots of texture packs
04:35 VanessaE        lots of nice mods, etc
04:36 roboman2444     well not using sprites for everything
04:36 roboman2444     and perhaps some specular maps or normal maps or something
04:37 mrdragons       roboman2444: Yeah, some stuff that was sprites are now nodes, and mobs are either gone or being redone
04:37 mrdragons       were*
04:37 roboman2444     ah, nice
04:38 roboman2444     i would really like to see some better gfx stuff for it, like specular and normal maps
04:52 VanessaE        can I get you two to try this?
04:52 VanessaE        https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/184
04:52 VanessaE        follow the test procedure given there, to the letter
04:52 VanessaE        tell me if your experiences follow mine?
04:55 mrdragons       How do you set time and viewing distance?
04:57 VanessaE        time is /time xxxx
04:57 VanessaE        view distance is +/-
05:00 mrdragons       Still getting a fps of 25-40
05:01 VanessaE        did you follow the procedure *precisely*?
05:02 VanessaE        Calinou: can you run through this test procedure and tell me if your experience is similar to mine?  https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues?state=open
05:02 VanessaE        also, hi :-)
05:02 Calinou         hi
05:03 mrdragons       VanessaE: Yeah, and if a specific procedure has to be followed, does it count as a regression? It'd be more of a bug
05:04 VanessaE        mrdragons: it does if the test procedure is a way to reliably reproduce the bug.
05:05 VanessaE        just saying "fly up to X meters and fly around and see what it does to your FPS" introduces too many uncertanties.
05:06 VanessaE        the standard in filing bug reports is that if you can provide a test case or an exact step-by-step procedure, even if it's nothing that the average person would do, do so anyway
05:06 VanessaE        at least with other projects
05:07 VanessaE        mrdragons: also, your FPS wouldn't be "25 to 40" if you followed that procedure exactly.
05:07 VanessaE        you'd have come up with a bottom number only :-)
05:07 VanessaE        I dunno, maybe it wouldn't
05:08 VanessaE        maybe your OS/distro/build/whatever is different enough from mine to not trigger this
05:12 Calinou         "Do not install any mods or create a config file - that is, leave everything in its 'factory fresh' state." < why?
05:12 Calinou         "Maybe 145 is too much for your computer" < maybe
05:13 VanessaE        because if you do, it will change the results
05:13 Calinou         VanessaE, do you have desktop effects on?
05:13 Calinou         it is strongly advised to turn them off when playing
05:13 VanessaE        Calinou: no.
05:13 VanessaE        no compositor is running on my machine.
05:14 Calinou         a radeon HD6870 graphics card is an high-end graphics card, no?
05:14 VanessaE        I'd say 145 is too much IF it mattered whether I was looking across a wide vista rather than just 50m down to the ground.
05:14 VanessaE        indeed it is.  Big bastard two, takes two slots.
05:14 VanessaE        (or rather, the space of two, PCIe x16 I think)
05:14 Calinou         O_o
05:16 VanessaE        also re: 145 - in other words, I'm only looking at a distance of, at the very most, perhaps 70 nodes, whatever the hypotenuse would be at 50m up and the default field of view.
05:20 VanessaE        just realized my typo.  s/d two,/d too,/
05:22 mrdragons       Repeated it, still getting around 25-35 fps
05:22 VanessaE        so it dropped a little for you also.
05:23 VanessaE        for it it drops horrendously :(
05:23 VanessaE        you running win or linux?
05:25 mrdragons       Linux
05:25 VanessaE        hm
05:25 VanessaE        x86 or x86_64?
05:26 mrdragons       64 bit, kernel 3.4.4-2 (Arch linux default build)
05:26 VanessaE        hm, 64 bit here too, kernel 3.2.0
05:26 VanessaE        I wonder why such a drastic difference?
05:26 VanessaE        inb4 Calinou says nVidia 99 AMD 0
05:26 VanessaE        ;-)
05:26 Calinou         lolarchlinux
05:27 mrdragons       Yeah arch sucks man
05:28 VanessaE        Calinou: what's your experience with that test?
05:29 mrdragons       VanessaE: I'm not sure, my hardware is a bit worse than yours. 0_o
05:30 * Calinou       is downloading warsow 1.0
05:30 Calinou         actually a rebranded 0.7
05:30 Calinou         VanessaE, didn't try, I guess I should try :p
05:30 VanessaE        please do
05:30 VanessaE        I need backup on this :-)
05:34 Calinou         wtf... downloading at 270kb/sec
05:34 Calinou         awesome
05:34 VanessaE        nice
05:34 Calinou         ok, I'm now trying that procedue in win7 64 bit
05:34 VanessaE        ok
05:34 Calinou         procedure*
05:35 mrdragons       lolwindows
05:36 Calinou         created a vanilla install of the game...
05:36 Calinou         mrdragons, STFU if you're not happy about it
05:36 Calinou         it's the only OS where you can be sure about GPU drivers
05:36 VanessaE        he's right, unfortunately.
05:36 Calinou         I do run debian testing, too, in a VM when needed.
05:36 VanessaE        linux video drivers sometimes suck
05:36 VanessaE        anyway
05:37 mrdragons       All my video cards are old and crappy, thus, are well supported. :P
05:37 Calinou         found a flat landscape...
05:37 Calinou         more recent GPUs are usually better-supported than old ones
05:37 Calinou         from my experience
05:38 * Calinou       is gonna like his 570gtx: 50-400FPS in red eclipse, in a VM with free drivers
05:38 mrdragons       Well, old and crappy by a gamer's terms, maybe 2 or 3 years old
05:38 Calinou         beat that c:
05:38 VanessaE        mrdragons: my video card was first released I think 2 years ago.
05:38 VanessaE        definitely not "old and crappy" :-)
05:39 Calinou         erm, I capped my FPS to 65 in-game, should I uncap them, VanessaE?
05:39 VanessaE        Calinou: probably not necessary.
05:39 Calinou         k
05:39 VanessaE        but
05:39 VanessaE        you should be running a completely vanilla game - no changes to the default config file at all
05:39 mrdragons       Calinou: Setting up a decent sane environment for C development in windows is maddening though
05:39 Calinou         +1
05:39 VanessaE        whatever comes with the game when you install it
05:39 Calinou         I do, VanessaE
05:39 VanessaE        ok
05:39 Calinou         didn't even change keys, lol
05:40 Calinou         have to press W to go forward, not Z
05:40 VanessaE        oh, you mean capped at the video driver level?
05:40 Calinou         well, whatever the setting comes with the game
05:40 khonkhortisan   why would you press Z?
05:40 VanessaE        oh
05:40 Calinou         didn't force vsync in driver
05:40 khonkhortisan   what layout?
05:40 Calinou         khonkhortisan, azerty
05:40 khonkhortisan   oh I think you told me that
05:40 VanessaE        well whatever the setting is, leave it there ;-)
05:41 VanessaE        my video driver settings all appear to be at the defaults, not synced to vblank, etc.
05:44 Calinou         I tested: I have not experienced any performance loss, outside of going very high, since a lot of blocks were rendered
05:44 Calinou         I had a slight performance loss when flying downwards to reach the starting point though, for no real reason
05:44 VanessaE        it's when you go up to 50m that you start to see it
05:44 Calinou         I did go up to 50-60m
05:45 VanessaE        but did you fly around the map a second time to get more of it to load?
05:45 Calinou         yes
05:45 VanessaE        well then why the hell am I seeing such an unpredictable, reasonless variance?
05:45 VanessaE        :(
05:46 Calinou         nvidia 99-0 amd
05:46 Calinou         :p
05:46 VanessaE        [07-29 01:26] <VanessaE> inb4 Calinou says nVidia 99 AMD 0
05:46 VanessaE        :P
05:46 VanessaE        but why would loading more of the map, which I can't see anyway, slow the gam down?
05:47 VanessaE        I mean, is it sitting there rendering shit off-screen?
05:47 Calinou         maybe
05:47 Calinou         ask c55 :P
05:47 VanessaE        he'll just say it's unimportant :-)
05:48 Calinou         is "unimportant" a word? :o
05:49 VanessaE        it is to c55 ;)
05:49 khonkhortisan   yes it's a word
05:49 Calinou         it's the bestest of the words.
05:50 Calinou         8 minutes left in downloading warsow; the game is 494MB
05:50 Calinou         276kb/sec
05:52 * VanessaE      frowns at her shitty luck :-/
05:54 darkrose        bad luck's better than no luck at all!
05:54 Calinou         +1
05:55 VanessaE        pfft
05:55 VanessaE        darkrose: you got a machine with the cohones to try that procedure? :-)\
05:57 VanessaE        maybe it only affects high-end gfx cards or something
05:57 darkrose        try what?
05:57 VanessaE        darkrose: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/184
05:58 VanessaE        trying to see if there's a pattern.  I can't be the only one this is happening to.
06:03 Calinou         http://c55.me/blog/
06:03 Calinou         ^
06:03 Calinou         mobs!
06:03 Calinou         gonna install it, keeping 0.4.1 anyway
06:08 VanessaE        I'm beginning to think the problem is my computer itself, hardware issue.  overheating maybe?
06:09 khonkhortisan   so when you build a library with super-tall shelves, what do you need to go with it?
06:09 VanessaE        lamps and potted plants.
06:09 VanessaE        and a chair
06:09 khonkhortisan   that's right, a rolling ladder!
06:10 VanessaE        hah
06:11 khonkhortisan   I think papyrus has gone extinct in gameboom
06:12 GTRsdk          mobs! where?
06:12 * GTRsdk        looks at web site (gonna load the page)
06:12 VanessaE        jeez
06:12 VanessaE        temp2:        +73.5°C  (high = +80.0°C, hyst = +75.0°C)  sensor = thermistor
06:13 VanessaE        that can't be right can it?
06:13 khonkhortisan   my graphics card went from 49°C to 108°C then rebooted the computer so I replaced it
06:13 khonkhortisan   what's your lowest?
06:13 VanessaE        not sure, low 40s I think
06:13 VanessaE        I rarely look at it
06:14 khonkhortisan   yeah that might be bad
06:14 khonkhortisan   look up the numbers for your card
06:14 VanessaE        I can't be sure that ^^ is the GPU
06:15 VanessaE        (though likely, since a CPU usually maxes at 70.
06:15 khonkhortisan   it was most definitely the gpu
06:15 VanessaE        and "temp1" currently reads 50, which is probably the CPU.
06:15 * VanessaE      cracks the case open to check the fan
06:16 khonkhortisan   my temp1 is right under the gpu temp in gkrellm, then I have two other temps I don't know what they do
06:18 VanessaE        well the fans all seem okay, though the GPU doesn't seem like it's spinning as fast as one might expect.
06:18 VanessaE        temps are coming back down just from opening the box.  must be a clogged intake
06:18 khonkhortisan   how many temps do you have?
06:18 VanessaE        3.
06:18 VanessaE        "temp1" (currently 55)
06:18 VanessaE        "temp2" (currently 65.5)
06:18 VanessaE        "temp3" (currently 28.5)
06:19 khonkhortisan   (GPU C 41) (temp1 52) (temp2 37) (temp1 42.8) here. I don't know what the double temp1 is for
06:20 VanessaE        whoever wrote this sensors utility needs to take a course in "making shit obvious".
06:20 VanessaE        "temp1"?  come on.
06:20 khonkhortisan   yeah it should be linked to your hardware names
06:20 VanessaE        make an effort people, try to guess at least, what the device is that returned that figure.
06:21 khonkhortisan   they tried to write a temperature moniter, it worked, so they went with it
06:23 VanessaE        well the "temp2" reading has dropped to 59.5 but the game doesn't seem to be showing any signs of improved framerate, so it's not an overheat issue.
06:23 khonkhortisan   you could always stress test
06:25 VanessaE        how?
06:25 khonkhortisan   there are actuall stress testing programs
06:27 khonkhortisan   I found one that ran in wine and was able to reboot on cue
06:28 VanessaE        ok, a quick compile of something shows the "temp2" number to be the CPU
06:28 VanessaE        (it rises while temp1 stays put)
06:28 VanessaE        that number can't possibly be right then; 75 degrees?  my machine should have shut down at that point
06:29 VanessaE        sigh, where's my artic silver when I need it? :-/
06:47 khonkhortisan   I can't just build a bridge out of rail, I need something under it for collision
06:49 VanessaE        bbl
06:49 khonkhortisan   aka ttfn
07:06 vicscandl       meep
07:09 cornernote_     meep-meep
07:09 khonkhortisan   meep sleep
07:09 GTRsdk          sleep sleep
07:12 vicscandl       smelting: (have not looked in code or forums yet) can the furnace be used to create more than one item when smelting? ie: 1 cobble = 1 stone and 1 gravel (example, not what i'm doing)
07:12 cornernote_     crafts can only have 1 output
07:12 cornernote_     they do have a return item functionality
07:13 cornernote_     so perhaps that can be used
07:13 vicscandl       on the furnace?
07:13 vicscandl       hrm... not to that point yet in my code where i'm going to need that, but thanks... i'll head that direction
07:13 cornernote_     yeah, on furnace... all crafts work pretty much the same way
07:14 vicscandl       oh, so i can return on craft to the "materials box" that is not (per se) an "empty version" but another item all together...
07:14 vicscandl       effing perfect
07:15 vicscandl       lets go try that out... :)
07:15 cornernote      yeah, that should work
07:15 cornernote      let me know
07:15 vicscandl       doing it now
07:15 cornernote      whats your mod ?
07:16 vicscandl       not released yet, keeping it under wraps for a few (hours/days) to avoid someone else with a competing mod..
07:16 vicscandl       not sure if its been done, but no active mod is doing it per se as i've seen..
07:16 vicscandl       :)
07:17 vicscandl       give me a bit, this should be good
07:17 vicscandl       not mesecons good, but once i launch it, you will see its possibilties quick
07:18 cornernote      sounds promising
07:18 vicscandl       (( note: i've never played minecraft ))
07:18 cornernote      same
07:18 khonkhortisan   I played the demo on a tablet
07:18 cornernote      my kids found minecraft, and then i found minetest
07:18 vicscandl       my son just got it on xbox cause he plays the shit out minetest
07:18 vicscandl       (( xbox at his moms house ))
07:18 Calinou         https://dl.dropbox.com/u/82342922/screenshot_8335183.png < hugging DMs, lol... I tested the new experimental "mob" mod that adds dungeons and DMs... they do not fire fireballs. also there are chests in dungeons with stuff :D
07:19 Calinou         the dungeon gen freezes the game for a bit, though. :/
07:19 vicscandl       dad is 100% ANTI-M$, even the xbox
07:19 khonkhortisan   Any Good Mod Freezes The Game
07:19 vicscandl       khonkhortisan: haghahahaha
07:19 vicscandl       no, any mod with SHITTY CODE freezes the game.. :)
07:20 cornernote      many mod writers are new, cant help bad code unless you wanna review it all
07:20 khonkhortisan   your sword is serrated
07:20 vicscandl       concepts are perfect, execution always shows up with sandy vasoline...
07:21 vicscandl       cornernote: FOSS = you are your code
07:22 vicscandl       cornernote: i do review mods i run on my servers tho.. :)
07:22 cornernote      im new, im sure my code is far from perfect
07:23 cornernote      depends how good the code i copied was =)
07:23 * vicscandl     has been writing code for more than 30 years at this point...
07:23 cornernote      i fix the mods i play with, but some are hundreds of lines
07:23 cornernote      generally its just api fixes
07:23 cornernote      if the server bombs i'll read the stack trace and fix it
07:24 vicscandl       cornernote: aye, most code is shit... i'm a professional turdherder (read: programmer)
07:24 cornernote      my job is a php developer... for the last 10 years
07:24 vicscandl       i <3 php, stupid simple
07:25 cornernote      not great at lua or c, but its just a matter of reading docs, learning
07:25 vicscandl       lua is ok, c is gold
07:25 vicscandl       lua *does* get the job done tho...
07:26 vicscandl       used it to mod the MUD i used to admin years ago
07:26 cornernote      yeah, but for what i do (make web applications), php is better than c for developer performance
07:26 cornernote      each language has a place, and a right/wrong time to use it
07:26 vicscandl       aye
07:26 vicscandl       ok, back to checking on that multi craft shit
07:27 Calinou         http://servers.minetest.ru/
07:27 Calinou         ^ one server has 100% uptime!
07:27 Calinou         <vicscandl> dad is 100% ANTI-M$, even the xbox
07:27 Calinou         the xbox can go F itself, as any console can
07:27 * Calinou       is a computer gamer
07:27 Calinou         <khonkhortisan> your sword is serrated < misa pack FTW :p
07:27 Calinou         what do you have against serrated swords? :c
07:28 vicscandl       Calinou: they hurt.... better...
07:28 vicscandl       oh, you said *against*...
07:29 vicscandl       Calinou: crafting, i want to generate more than one output... can i replace a non-existant item from a crafting recipie with a new item?
07:29 Calinou         I don't know :f
07:30 vicscandl       ok. i'll test that out too... grrr
07:30 Calinou         possibly not
07:30 vicscandl       assume not
07:30 vicscandl       ok, screw it, i'll just make more recipies.. damn
07:30 nyuszika7h      hi!
07:31 Calinou         WTF: c55.me port 30001 < server
07:31 Calinou         hi nyuszika7h
07:56 vicscandl       nope
07:56 vicscandl       damn
08:03 cornernote      Calinou, man would love to keep building, but its sooo laggy
08:14 emerbe          ok, I realized that there is high CPU usage in minetest 4.2 RC
08:14 emerbe          4.1 - about 40-50 %
08:14 emerbe          4.2 RC - about 50-80%
08:15 GTRsdk          emerbe: are you doing the same stuff/looking at the same stuff in both versions?
08:15 emerbe          end I don't know why
08:15 emerbe          not really
08:16 emerbe          but more complicated world is in 4.1
08:16 vicscandl       emerbe: set your mapgen key to be the same in both versions
08:16 vicscandl       makes a huge diff when doing the compares..
08:16 emerbe          ok
08:16 emerbe          i;ll
08:17 emerbe          try
08:17 emerbe          can I just copy world?
08:18 vicscandl       i run two virtual machines that have a "script" that plays both the same and watch them on the screen at the same time...
08:18 vicscandl       heheeh
08:19 vicscandl       yea, thats what i do
08:19 vicscandl       (copy world dir)
08:21 emerbe          ok
08:22 emerbe          4.1: loading/generating world - 60-80%, looking at generated world - 10-30% | CPU's temp.: 54 C; fan: 1850-1920 RPM
08:23 emerbe          now on 4.2 RC
08:23 emerbe          moment
08:25 emerbe          4.2 RC: loading/generating world - unknown, looking at generated world - 50-80% [!!!] | CPU's temp.: 60 C; fan: 2090- 2250 RPM
08:25 emerbe          huge diff..
08:26 vicscandl       yep. i'd say
08:27 emerbe          when I start game in 4.2RC, my CPU's fan gets sounding like a jet engine
08:27 emerbe          ..
08:27 vicscandl       about the same here for cpu load under alike virtual servers, temp and fan speed are not relevant for me as i'm not running *one* server per machine
08:27 emerbe          i know
08:27 emerbe          (temp and fan)
08:28 vicscandl       my closet sounds like a fucking airport 24/7
08:28 emerbe          xd
08:28 emerbe          brb
08:46 Calinou         <emerbe> 4.2 RC - about 50-80%
08:46 Calinou         remember, the windows version was compiled with mingw > slower
08:47 * Calinou       doesn't even know why he says this, emerbe being an harshlinuxian
08:47 * Calinou       crosses fingers
09:11 emerbe          what?
09:12 emerbe          now, I'm on WinXP but I have also Kubuntu and Ubu Studio
09:12 vicscandl       zzzzzzzzzzzzz
09:12 vicscandl       makes a huge diff when doing the compares.. t
09:12 emerbe          but to be honest I'm noob on linux..
09:13 emerbe          or lamer...
09:13 emerbe          idk
09:13 emerbe          xd
09:19 emerbe          or from another way... Linux is too pro for me
09:19 emerbe          so..
09:20 emerbe          do you have any idea what's happening..
09:27 emerbe          hah
09:27 emerbe          I turned off smooth lighting
09:27 emerbe          and
09:27 emerbe          4.2 RC: CPU: 30-50%
09:27 emerbe          60 FPS
09:27 emerbe          CPU's temp. 54 C, fan: 1800 RPM
11:14 cornernote      arg, the last build stored my stuff in c:\users\xxx\appdata\roaming\minetest   ... now the latest stores them back in c:/minetest
13:09 Calinou         brobostigon, 0.4.2-rc1 is out ;)
13:11 brobostigon     thank you Calinou :)
13:11 Calinou         it has rollback/logging now
13:11 brobostigon     good idea.
13:11 Calinou         you can see who griefed a building and rollback it using /rollback (requires rollback privilege)
13:11 brobostigon     ah, very useful.
15:04 NakedFury       is the rollback server wide or something player specific?
15:04 Calinou         huh?
15:05 NakedFury       something like /rollback Calinou and all you did rollsback
15:05 NakedFury       or /rollback and the server goes back a few hours
15:05 Calinou         not sure
15:06 thexyz          first one
15:10 Nemo08          hi all!
16:22 Keegan_         hello
16:22 thexyz          hi
16:27 Keegan_         what server you guys play on
16:28 thexyz          Keegan_: http://servers.minetest.ru/
16:32 Keegan_         hey sdzen
16:33 sdzen           hello
16:36 Keegan_         can someone make a seperate mod form mobs liike zombies or alien lke stuff
16:36 NakedFury       why? right now any mob mod sucks
16:36 Keegan_         i know i ask for a new one
16:48 Keegan_         still noone talks on here too
16:49 Calinou         this is IRC... most people are idling
16:49 Keegan_         for what
16:50 Calinou         because?
16:50 Keegan_         what are they idling
16:50 Calinou         people are often on 20+ different channels
16:50 bas080          Hey Keegan. maybe you could make a mob mod yourself. Do you have any programming experience?
16:50 Calinou         they're sometimes busy or just sleeping
16:50 Calinou         bas080, no, he asn't
16:50 Calinou         notice bas080 12 year old teen from the forums, see his posts
16:50 Calinou         FAIL notice
16:50 Calinou         I forgot the /
16:51 * Calinou       ragequits
16:51 GTRsdk          a 12 year old teen?
16:51 Calinou         Keegan_, lol, sorry :p
16:58 bas080          everyone can learn how to program. You only need to put your mind to it.
16:58 Keegan_         ok then how
17:00 GTRsdk          For sure need to learn lua, and possibly C++
17:00 bas080          You could try to make a very simple game. Like pong or something. You could use processing.org or gamemaker if you don't want to worry too much about the technical stuff.
17:00 GTRsdk          if you want to make a mob pack of some sort
17:00 Calinou         <bas080> everyone can learn how to program. You only need to put your mind to it.
17:00 Calinou         learning C++
17:00 Calinou         OKAY
17:00 Calinou         just no, lol.
17:00 * Calinou       sucks at lua already... he mostly knows the syntax so that mods "work"
17:01 Calinou         I wouldn't even call that programming, yet I made the 3rd most popular mod (forum views)
17:01 Calinou         gamemaker hurts your brain forever - don't use it
17:01 bas080          That is my take on it too. Just trying to see the connections and changing stuff. It's not called modding for nothing
17:03 bas080          gamemaker was a gateway programming language to me
17:03 GTRsdk          It isn't too hard if you want to do simple stuff
17:03 Calinou         colored blocks :3
17:03 GTRsdk          like... makign the furnace burn water buckets
17:03 Calinou         LOL
17:04 thexyz          that can't be called "programming"
17:04 Calinou         +1
17:04 Calinou         gtg.
17:05 GTRsdk          Keegan_: Which OS do you use?
17:16 Keegan_         when does badcommand come on
17:22 jin_xi          the lua book is really good, read it when you want to mod
17:23 Keegan_         what about +++notepad
17:25 GTRsdk          notepad++ (if that's what you meant) is kind of like gedit, so... it is good until you want to see white text on a black screen :)
17:25 VanessaE        afternoon all
17:25 thexyz          doesn't it support themes?
17:26 Keegan_         hey
17:26 GTRsdk          maybe it does
17:27 VanessaE        looking at the above I have to ask myself:  what's so different between now and 25 years ago that people today just can't seem to figure out how to use and program on a computer?
17:28 VanessaE        (Not aimed at you, Keegan.  It's just a general observation)
17:28 Keegan_         i dont programm i just rebuild computers
17:30 GTRsdk          it will be bad then, when the current developers for stuff retire
17:31 VanessaE        I learned when I was 12 from books that came with my C64 and additional books and magazines that were popular at the time.
17:31 GTRsdk          but once the crackers retire, then it should be all equal
17:31 VanessaE        It was a no-brainer back then
17:32 GTRsdk          cool
17:32 Keegan_         i have about 4 laptops
17:32 Keegan_         but three is broken and old
17:33 GTRsdk          too bad there aren't any guides like that that come with computers nowadays
17:33 VanessaE        yeah I know.
17:35 Keegan_         on the game what does the server privs do?
17:36 GTRsdk          server privs allow stuff like shutting down the server (just the program though, not the actual computer itself) from within the game
17:36 Keegan_         thats it?
17:37 Keegan_         can you add mods without being the owner
17:37 VanessaE        no.
17:38 VanessaE        adding mods requires copying files on the machine that acts as the server, and possibly configuring those mods thereon.
17:38 Keegan_         how do you port forward your router
17:38 GTRsdk          You can sometimes go to http://router and configure it
17:38 khonkhortisan   Keegan_: that's a good question, which I haven't successfully done
17:39 GTRsdk          but if you want to play with friends which are on the same network (via LAN), you just give them the NAT ip.
17:40 Keegan_         how do i find my nat ip
17:40 Keegan_         my homepage for my router?
17:41 GTRsdk          sometimes you can get it from the router page
17:41 Keegan_         how
17:41 GTRsdk          http://router might show something like dHCP clients
17:41 Keegan_         yea im on the router page
17:41 GTRsdk          *DHCP
17:42 VanessaE        bear in mind that you probably aren't allowed to run a server.  Your ISP's terms of service agreement may forbid such things.
17:42 VanessaE        (common with residential internet connections
17:42 VanessaE        )
17:42 thexyz          what?
17:43 Keegan_         ??
17:43 GTRsdk          which would not, however, forbid peopel on your network playing on a server you host (only on NAT though)
17:43 thexyz          why the fuck would ISP don't allow you to host a server?
17:43 VanessaE        true.
17:43 Keegan_         whats your isp
17:43 VanessaE        thexyz: beats the hell out of me.  Bandwidth usage maybe (which is of course, bullshit)
17:43 GTRsdk          Keegan_: or you could go to the Windows command prompt, and type in ipconfig
17:44 VanessaE        but I have never seen an ISP that allowed you, officially, to run servers of any kind from a residential-level account.
17:44 VanessaE        you usually have to pay for a business-level account, even if it's still going to a residence.
17:44 thexyz          i think they just don't care
17:44 Keegan_         is the right connection is dyanamic
17:45 Keegan_         ok forget this stuff but how do you port forward
17:45 GTRsdk          Which router manufacturer & model?
17:46 GTRsdk          and is there a modem which controls stuff going to the router?
17:47 Keegan_         Firmware Version F5D8236-4_WW_3.00.02  	Boot Version 1.00  	Hardware F5D8236-4 v3000
17:51 hoxu            some old version of minetest server seems to have truncated all playerfiles, and ipban.txt & env_meta.txt
17:51 hoxu            how does minetest server handle running out of diskspace (or quota)?
17:52 hoxu            hmm, right - I guess I'll paste this on #minetest-delta
17:52 GTRsdk          Keegan_: Belkin?
17:52 Keegan_         yes
17:53 GTRsdk          You need to know your IP address before port forwarding
17:53 Keegan_         do
17:53 GTRsdk          but once you know that, there should be a Virtual Servers part on the left side
17:53 Keegan_         yes
17:54 GTRsdk          which supposedly makes it work (I haven't had it work due to having a modem block everything for me)
18:01 Keegan_         ok
18:02 Keegan_         i did the virtual server
18:05 Keegan_         whats a free good port forward programm
18:06 GTRsdk          then use canyouseeme.org to see if it works
18:06 thexyz          you don't need program for that
18:06 GTRsdk          if Tor woudl only do UDP, then it would be possible to anonymously play Minetest...
18:08 Keegan_         I could not see your service on 66.227.###,## on port (30000) Reason: Connection timed out
18:09 GTRsdk          which ISP do you have?
18:09 Keegan_         belkin
18:10 Keegan_         charter
18:11 GTRsdk          hmm
18:11 GTRsdk          it coudl be that the modem blocks stuff too
18:11 GTRsdk          if there is one
18:11 Keegan_         there is a modem
18:11 VanessaE        (why does everyone and their dog have to use a dedicated router?  Am I the only one who goes direct to the PC and uses THAT as the household router?)
18:12 GTRsdk          VanessaE: other people aren't as 1337... a dedicated router is like 1, 2, 3, and it is setup
18:12 VanessaE        eh, I suppose
18:12 Keegan_         how to unblock the modem
18:13 thexyz          VanessaE: so, you has only one device which can access internet, right?
18:13 thexyz          ^ have
18:13 VanessaE        thexyz: no.
18:13 VanessaE        in fact I have 5 devices that access the network, though only two are currently connected
18:14 thexyz          how do you share it then?
18:14 VanessaE        (I am too lazy to set up wireless access since my last reinstall)
18:14 VanessaE        my PC has a second NIC which goes to a gigabit switch.
18:14 VanessaE        and it has a wireless card for devices that need that method, like my laptop, Wii, and Blu-Ray player.
18:14 thexyz          anyway
18:14 thexyz          it's cheaper to use dedicated router
18:15 VanessaE        not really - my workstation IS the routing machine :-)
18:15 VanessaE        and print server
18:15 VanessaE        and file server
18:15 thexyz          do you shut it down?
18:15 VanessaE        when neither of us are using it yeah
18:16 Keegan_         whens that barely never
18:16 VanessaE        (though usually it's on 24/7)
18:20 GTRsdk          if you use an Atom machine, then the price gets to be abotu the same, btu with added freedom... it is worth it
18:20 Keegan_         is badcommand online
18:22 GTRsdk          but with a number of routers I've come across, the DHCP servers are not online, so I can't really connect to them :-/
18:29 Keegan_         anyone have a minecraft account that they dont want anymore
18:30 GTRsdk          yeah
18:30 VanessaE        no.  No one here would ever use THAT
18:30 Keegan_         can i have it
18:31 GTRsdk          Why would you want it? It's not like as if I paid for the full Minecraft.... && Minetest is better IMHO
18:31 Keegan_         i know i just want to grieft minecraft so it wouldnt come over here
18:32 VanessaE        if you want to grief something you are not particularly welcome here.  I hope you're not serious.
18:32 Keegan_         im not serious
18:32 Keegan_         actually i just wanted to see how it is
18:32 * VanessaE      is a hard-ass when it comes to griefing.
18:33 Keegan_         and play with my school friends
18:33 VanessaE        so tell your friends to use minetest, or buy a proper account on minecraft
18:33 Keegan_         but i dont have that much money
18:34 GTRsdk          then tell your friends to play minetest
18:34 Keegan_         because they lke mnecraft more
18:35 VanessaE        you mean "because they've never tried minetest" don't you?
18:35 GTRsdk          if they don't care enough to play minetest just 1 time or so... are they true friends?
18:35 Keegan_         yea
18:40 GTRsdk          okay, so I've seen how important the GPU is now... I tried running Minetest on a PowerPC machine, with no GPU drivers, and it gets very low FPS
18:40 * GTRsdk        looks into compiling Minetest 0.4.1 on OS X
18:41 VanessaE        didn't someone just release an OSX binary?
18:51 GTRsdk          Where at?
18:51 VanessaE        not sure where, just saw talk of it on -dev a couple days ago
18:52 * GTRsdk        only foudn the outdated 0.4-dev ones at a minetest-mac git repo  on github
18:52 Keegan_         gtg
18:58 GTRsdk          I doubt the new ones woudl support PowerPC, if there is a new one.
18:59 VanessaE        I thought macs went to x86?
19:01 GTRsdk          they went to that, then x86_64
19:01 GTRsdk          but I don't have any x86 or x86_64 Macs, so I think I might end up having to compile minetest the linux way
19:01 VanessaE        ah ok
20:17 leo_rockway     farming mod looks good...
20:17 leo_rockway     hello, everyone
20:18 Keegan__        hello is it sable for the latest version
20:18 leo_rockway     is there a lua api for setting a spawn point for oneself?
20:18 leo_rockway     Keegan__: latest master is not stable but rc1.
20:19 leo_rockway     VanessaE: I'm getting better FPS with latest
20:19 Keegan__        im gonna better fps with madchickens fps higher texture pack
20:19 leo_rockway     around 60, which makes sense since I have vsync anyway
20:20 leo_rockway     I really can't wait for mobs...
20:20 VanessaE        leo_rockway: ok
20:20 leo_rockway     I like the idea of singleplayer survival mode á la MC
20:20 VanessaE        mobs exist - c55 released a preliminary mod that adds DMs back into the game
20:20 leo_rockway     VanessaE: yes, they don't do anything yet.
20:20 leo_rockway     they don't shoot
20:20 NakedFury       how are the mobs? 3d?
20:21 leo_rockway     NakedFury: no, still 2d.
20:21 NakedFury       ew
20:21 leo_rockway     I think c55 doesn't want 3D.
20:21 leo_rockway     I don't mind 2D too much
20:21 NakedFury       yeah he doesnt want 3d so he hamstrings his engine
20:21 VanessaE        leo_rockway: good - I don't want some DM smashing up my house :-)
20:22 leo_rockway     I do
20:22 leo_rockway     there's no fun otherwise o.o
20:22 NakedFury       me too
20:22 VanessaE        c55 doesn't want any 3d mobs if the code for them isn't flexible enough
20:22 VanessaE        and he doesn't want anything that looks minecraft-ish
20:23 NakedFury       too bad
20:23 VanessaE        (e.g. blocky like sheep/pigs/players are)
20:23 NakedFury       he should have used some other game to copy then
20:23 NakedFury       thats easy to not do
20:23 NakedFury       give us the option to load 3d models
20:23 NakedFury       we take care of the rest
20:23 VanessaE        someone, I forget who, was playing around with loading/displaying Q3/OA mobs using some feature already present in irrlicht
20:24 khonkhortisan   um if I put two wooden slabs on top of each other I just lost five wood
20:24 NakedFury       yes
20:24 VanessaE        but whether he was doing that in the context of the game, I don't know
20:24 leo_rockway     I don't want to get Minecraft, because it's not free..
20:24 leo_rockway     so having MT behave like MC wouldn't be bad for me.
20:24 VanessaE        khonkhortisan: yes.  the recipe to make slabs is stupid
20:24 leo_rockway     free as in freedom, not money.
20:25 VanessaE        3 blocks -> 6 slabs would make more sense
20:25 VanessaE        (and be less wasteful)
20:25 khonkhortisan   it should either be 3 wood = 1 slab or 2 slab = 1 wood, not both
20:25 khonkhortisan   three blocks is a whole lot of wood!
20:25 VanessaE        *nod8
20:25 VanessaE        *nod*
20:25 VanessaE        it should be 3 wood -> 6 slabs, 2 slabs -> 1 wood.
20:26 VanessaE        that way there's no waste
20:26 leo_rockway     VanessaE: if you put light outside your house the DMs shouldn't spawn near it anyway, right?
20:26 khonkhortisan   three nodes would be much better than three blocks for a recipe :)
20:26 VanessaE        and for G*d sakes don't combine the fucking things just because I placed two side by side
20:26 khonkhortisan   yeah that's what happened to me, I put it on the side of another one
20:26 VanessaE        leo_rockway: dunno.  Been too long since I dealt with (and got my ass kicked by) a DM. :-)
20:27 leo_rockway     that's what I know about MC. Mobs only spawn in dark spaces.
20:27 NakedFury       yes
20:27 NakedFury       dark places and spawners
20:27 leo_rockway     I don't like the idea of copying every single feature of MC, but some of them are neat.
20:27 NakedFury       yes they are
20:28 leo_rockway     I don't really care for the whole nether thing, for instance.
20:28 NakedFury       like 3d mobs
20:28 leo_rockway     or an end boss.
20:28 leo_rockway     I don't care about 3D mobs either, as long as they exist and attack.
20:28 leo_rockway     I'm not against them, though.
20:28 NakedFury       3d is better than flat mobs
20:29 leo_rockway     I don't really like the sprites of the animalsmod. They look out of place.
20:29 VanessaE        leo: bug filed.
20:30 leo_rockway     VanessaE: for the CPU usage?
20:31 VanessaE        no, for the slabs issue, actually that was for khonkhortisan not you :-)
20:31 VanessaE        brain-o :-)
20:32 leo_rockway     I just noticed that the FPSs had improved because I had lowered the view range to 5...
20:32 leo_rockway     I forgot I had done that.
20:32 leo_rockway     even then, they still go down to 30...
20:33 Keegan__        download madchickens 3x3 higher fps texture pack
20:34 leo_rockway     I'll check them out, but this is still an issue in the new[er] code.
20:34 VanessaE        khonkhortisan: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/188
20:34 Keegan__        anyone know openblox??
20:35 VanessaE        leo_rockway: I keep mine set at 150.  I'd go higher but minetest is too slow even on fast hardware like mind.
20:35 VanessaE        mine*
20:35 VanessaE        Keegan__: never heard of it.
20:35 leo_rockway     Keegan__: openbox? yes.
20:35 Keegan__        <DangerOnTheRangr> is makng it
20:35 leo_rockway     openblox, no idea.
20:36 leo_rockway     I'm thinking of making a bed that sets spawn coordinates and sets the time to morning. The bed mod in the forum is not working anymore, apparently.
20:37 khonkhortisan   if it sets the time, wouldn't it only be for singleplayer?
20:37 leo_rockway     yes, that's what I usually play...
20:37 Keegan__        he should make it a surivival opton
20:37 leo_rockway     mhm
20:38 leo_rockway     I want to play minetest survival style
20:38 leo_rockway     there's no challenge in getting into a cave now
20:38 leo_rockway     since nothing attacks you
20:38 leo_rockway     there's no hunger either
20:39 leo_rockway     I'm not too keen on creative mode
20:39 NakedFury       hunger or sanity bar or thirst
20:39 leo_rockway     does MC have those things?
20:39 Keegan__        agreed
20:39 NakedFury       only hunger
20:39 leo_rockway     I'd like some bar
20:39 NakedFury       but we need something to increase challenge
20:39 leo_rockway     NakedFury: those are good ideas...
20:40 Keegan__        then there needs to be more food and make cups
20:40 NakedFury       hunger or thirst increases your need to make farms or get food
20:40 NakedFury       oxigen for underwater exploration
20:40 leo_rockway     blockplanet has hunger and oxygen
20:40 leo_rockway     bars, that is.
20:41 NakedFury       oxygen is in almost all games
20:41 khonkhortisan   I'd want food more than oxygen, but soulfu has the hunger way too high
20:41 leo_rockway     scuba diving mod o.o
20:41 khonkhortisan   yeah!
20:41 Keegan__        plus 10
20:41 leo_rockway     I don't have a lot of time, but I really want to make a mod.
20:42 NakedFury       for underwater we first need a way to add underwater things without having the water make a bubble
20:42 leo_rockway     I've been wanting to toy with Lua for a very long time.
20:42 Keegan__        a clock
20:42 Keegan__        to see the ingame time
20:42 leo_rockway     mhm
20:43 leo_rockway     there's a light mod that changes intensity according to the amount of light.
20:43 leo_rockway     of natural light, that is.
20:43 leo_rockway     the guy who did that suggested changing the textures to make a clock.
20:45 Keegan__        a clock and a calender
20:45 Keegan__        for a mod
20:47 leo_rockway     VanessaE: does unified dye use flowers?
20:47 VanessaE        yes
20:47 VanessaE        best to use flowers from Nature Pack Controlled or standard Nature PAck\
20:48 leo_rockway     that was my next question =] Thank you.
20:48 VanessaE        I probably should adjust the yields in the dyes.  At present, 1 flower produces two portions of pigment
20:49 sfan5           <khonkhortisan> I'd want food more than oxygen, but soulfu has the hunger way too high
20:49 sfan5           blockplanet c++ has food
20:50 leo_rockway     the animals mod has raw food
20:50 leo_rockway     the nature mod has pies
20:50 sfan5           i mean a hunger bar
20:55 khonkhortisan   if I have a spiral staircase, should it be lower in the center or higher in the center?
20:55 leo_rockway     weather would be nice...
20:55 VanessaE        khonkhortisan: what do you mean lower or higher?
20:56 khonkhortisan   if you move in a spiral, you go up and down. If you go toward the center or to the outside of the staircase, it's not flat. There's also stairs going that direction as well as spiraling
20:56 khonkhortisan   it's like a cone
20:57 khonkhortisan   so should the spiral staircase be shaped like the outside of a cone or the inside of a cone?
20:59 khonkhortisan   heh. the person who made stairs forgot to make an offset door
20:59 arda7an         hi!
20:59 khonkhortisan   hello
20:59 arda7an         how r u doing?
21:00 VanessaE        Oh, well I'd have said neither, it should be a simple spiral :-)
21:00 khonkhortisan   pretty good, can't say the same for my mods
21:00 khonkhortisan   I'm trying to make my luxury house as expensive-looking as possible
21:00 arda7an         hmm :D
21:00 leo_rockway     meh, farming mod doesn't have description tooltips...
21:00 * leo_rockway   adds them
21:02 arda7an         gr8 alt for minecraft i must say
21:02 arda7an         $26 ffs is too much for a Java game!
21:02 leo_rockway     MC is 26USD?
21:02 Keegan__        yes
21:02 arda7an         yeah
21:02 VanessaE        pay for software?  *shudder*
21:03 thexyz          no, it's free
21:03 thexyz          oops, wait...
21:03 khonkhortisan   yes xyz we changed subjects
21:04 leo_rockway     I don't mind paying as long as I have the freedom to do with it whatever I want
21:04 leo_rockway     if I had spare money I'd donate to a lot of projects. Minetest would be one of them.
21:05 NakedFury       I dont know why paying for software is so bad, creators need to eat too
21:05 leo_rockway     I'd probably set bounties. Give me nice mobs, you get 50USD or something like that.
21:05 khonkhortisan   paying for updates is bad
21:05 VanessaE        actually I was thinking of dropping a little something into c55's coffers as a "thank you"
21:06 khonkhortisan   freedroid rpg has mob bounties, the robots drop electronics you can sell
21:06 leo_rockway     VanessaE: yeah, I want to do that. I can't get USD in my country, though :S
21:06 leo_rockway     nor Euros =[
21:06 khonkhortisan   why?
21:06 leo_rockway     khonkhortisan: government has set up a restriction.
21:06 VanessaE        what country?
21:07 NakedFury       anti american and european country
21:07 leo_rockway     oh, I played freedroid once. At the time it was crashing for me (a video card problem). I should try it again.
21:07 leo_rockway     Argentina
21:07 VanessaE        ah
21:07 NakedFury       latin power!!!
21:07 leo_rockway     it's not exactly anti american or european. The government is running out of money, so they are gathering all the dollars / euros themselves...
21:07 khonkhortisan   with freedroid rpg, you get to the end of the game, and find out it's still being developed. Then when you update it, you find out your savefile doesn't work anymore.
21:07 leo_rockway     they say it's because of patriotism, though o.0
21:08 leo_rockway     khonkhortisan: yeah, I'm kind of used to that...
21:08 khonkhortisan   patriotism isn't collecting money from other countries
21:08 leo_rockway     yes, tell that to them :S
21:08 khonkhortisan   I stopped playing freedroid for that reason
21:08 leo_rockway     anyway, I'm testing 3 games: Minetest, OpenGOO, Flare...
21:08 leo_rockway     so I'm used to things changing
21:08 leo_rockway     and being incomplete
21:19 * leo_rockway   fails at adding tooltips to the farming mod :S
21:24 leo_rockway     I succeeded for the hoe, but it has a generic "Hoe" description instead of "Stone hoe"
21:26 leo_rockway     well, now it's called cobble hoe...
21:27 leo_rockway     but it's the best I can do without reading on Lua grammar...
21:31 khonkhortisan   Lease the new Cobblehoe with zero percent APR financing...
21:33 VanessaE        oh and for crying out loud, the words are "potato" and "rye", not "potatoe" and "rhy". :-)
21:33 GTRsdk          <GTRsdk> ;;isitdown minecraft.net
21:33 GTRsdk          <gribble> http://minecraft.net Is Down -> Check if your website is up or down?
21:33 khonkhortisan   I don't get it
21:34 leo_rockway     there, fixed the names and I'm learning Lua ^_^
21:35 leo_rockway     VanessaE: I haven't seen that yet. That's funny.
21:35 VanessaE        heh
21:36 VanessaE        maybe cornernote's copy is outdated, but that's what they were in the ones he had in that minetest recipe/mod wiki thing he's working on :-)
21:39 leo_rockway     what's cotton useful for?
21:39 VanessaE        I think jordach's cotton mod uses it
21:39 VanessaE        otherwise I'm not exactly sure
21:39 leo_rockway     also, there's this tall grass thing that has no tips and no mining animation...
21:40 leo_rockway     this one farming:tallgrass
21:41 leo_rockway     I have no seeds yet...
21:45 leo_rockway     there's probably a reason why the farming mod is in "old mods"
21:50 leo_rockway     yay, seeds!
21:59 khonkhortisan   haha putting a step under another step combines them. I guess they aren't meant for the ceiling
22:04 VanessaE        shouldn't happen with stairs, only slabs
22:05 khonkhortisan   yes it was slabs
22:05 khonkhortisan   my spiral staircase doesn't exactly match up with the floors
22:21 Keegan__        how do you get rid of cloud without worldedit
22:22 khonkhortisan   admin pickaxe? creative mode?
22:22 Keegan__        is the admin pckaxe a mod?
22:22 khonkhortisan   yeah
22:26 Keegan__        how do you do it with creative mode
22:27 khonkhortisan   how did you get cloud?
22:28 Keegan__        giveme
22:29 khonkhortisan   I dunno, someone else take over this conversation
23:12 khonkhortisan   aw no glass slabs
23:14 leo_rockway     whoever maintains minetest.com needs to update the "what's the catch" part. Minetest has sounds.
23:14 * khonkhortisan saw that and kept quiet
23:15 leo_rockway     and coal can't be made by smelting trunks anymore.
23:15 khonkhortisan   aw that would've been cool if I could do that, I have hundreds of trunks
23:15 leo_rockway     khonkhortisan: it used to be like that. Kind of like MC charcoal.
23:16 leo_rockway     apparently mesecons is fun, but I can't remember all the recipes, so I'm not even going to try it.
23:20 leo_rockway     well, farming mod doesn't work, that's for sure... I can't rip what I sow.
23:20 leo_rockway     reap*
23:35 leo_rockway     great, I think I'll be able to have a bed that saves the spawn location and sets the time to morning soon...
23:36 leo_rockway     only for singleplayer
23:46 cy1             well, glomie's server's on protocol 12...
23:46 cy1             leo_rockway: There's a mod for smelting trunks into coal.
23:49 leo_rockway     cy1: yeah, sounds like an easy enough mod. Thanks for the tip, though.
23:49 leo_rockway     there's plenty of real coal anyway...
23:56 GTRsdk          smelting trunks into mese or iron woudl be awesome :D
23:57 Keegan          hello my friends
23:59 leo_rockway     where's the API reference?
23:59 leo_rockway     I found this: http://minetest.net/wiki/doku.php?id=code:global_functions
23:59 leo_rockway     but seems rather incomplete...