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jordach|tablet |
sup |
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| 03:27 |
VanessaE |
fuckity fuck fuck,. |
| 03:27 |
VanessaE |
I'm trying to work on a mod and it's causing minetest to segfault (!) rather than just throw some error or another. |
| 03:29 |
Bad_Command |
Do you know how to use gdb, vanessa? |
| 03:29 |
VanessaE |
no. I know of its existence, but that's about it |
| 03:30 |
Bad_Command |
It is the gnu debugger, you can run minetest in it to figure out what is causing it to segfault |
| 03:30 |
VanessaE |
ok, got a segfault loaded into gdb already |
| 03:30 |
Bad_Command |
type "backtrace" |
| 03:30 |
VanessaE |
(ran minetest through it, let it segfault where it has been doing so, and now gdb is waiting for my input_) |
| 03:30 |
VanessaE |
ok, did that |
| 03:30 |
Bad_Command |
You should see a call stack |
| 03:30 |
VanessaE |
14 events recoded. |
| 03:30 |
VanessaE |
recorded. |
| 03:31 |
Bad_Command |
That'll indicate where it is crashing in the code |
| 03:32 |
VanessaE |
http://pastebin.com/eAppChYX |
| 03:32 |
VanessaE |
if you wanna see the actual code for the mod, |
| 03:32 |
VanessaE |
http://pastebin.com/5VBRGw2i |
| 03:33 |
VanessaE |
does that debug output make any sense to you? |
| 03:33 |
VanessaE |
(or failing that, can you see what I'm doing wrong in my code?) |
| 03:34 |
VanessaE |
(I presume it's the register_node calls, and the fact that I'm using variables to define the node names) |
| 03:34 |
VanessaE |
(including the modname the nodes are associated with) |
| 03:36 |
Bad_Command |
The stack trace seems to indicate that it is crashing in the lua interpreter somewhere |
| 03:36 |
Bad_Command |
I read through the code. It doesn't look too tricky. |
| 03:38 |
Bad_Command |
It might help if you can localize where the problem is happening. Maybe lots of print statements throughout the mod code or something like that |
| 03:38 |
VanessaE |
good idea. |
| 03:42 |
VanessaE |
it crashes while trying to register the first node. |
| 04:02 |
Bad_Command |
Hmm, I don't think the node registration code is actually getting hit |
| 04:02 |
Bad_Command |
I suspect it may be related to some of the operations (eg string concatenation) inside of the registration call |
| 04:03 |
VanessaE |
translation: way too many concat operations inside the call ;-) |
| 04:04 |
Bad_Command |
Perhaps |
| 04:04 |
Bad_Command |
Really that should not crash the thing in any case, but modifying how it is done may work around the problem |
| 04:11 |
VanessaE |
http://pastebin.com/0uV0X8Dr |
| 04:12 |
VanessaE |
simplified, moved most of the concat operations out of the register_ functions. still segfaults. |
| 04:15 |
Bad_Command |
I'm playing with the code here, I'll see what I can do |
| 04:21 |
Bad_Command |
I commented out the register nodes and it still segfaults |
| 04:21 |
VanessaE |
wtf? |
| 04:21 |
VanessaE |
so it's in the crafting recipes? |
| 04:21 |
Bad_Command |
Hmm |
| 04:21 |
Bad_Command |
Register item raw, must have missed one |
| 04:22 |
VanessaE |
yeah, there are two setas |
| 04:22 |
VanessaE |
sets |
| 04:22 |
Bad_Command |
the greys |
| 04:22 |
VanessaE |
one for colors, one for greys |
| 04:25 |
VanessaE |
even if I move *all* of the concat operations out of the register_node calls it segfaults. |
| 04:28 |
Bad_Command |
Correct |
| 04:28 |
Bad_Command |
I think I was mistaken when I said it wasn't the call |
| 04:28 |
Bad_Command |
I'm digging in to the API code |
| 04:28 |
VanessaE |
http://pastebin.com/q3fxa4qB |
| 04:28 |
VanessaE |
here's where I stand now. |
| 04:29 |
Bad_Command |
Yeah, I hacked something similar |
| 04:33 |
VanessaE |
is it because I'm using a variable to specify the modname: part of the node? |
| 04:35 |
Bad_Command |
No I don't think so |
| 04:35 |
Bad_Command |
I'm going to do some debugging in the C++ API code |
| 04:35 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 04:35 |
Bad_Command |
I just upgraded my distro install, working out some compilation problems |
| 04:38 |
VanessaE |
I think it's the groups= parameter |
| 04:39 |
VanessaE |
change all three instances to groups = { colored_block_groups }, |
| 04:39 |
VanessaE |
and remove the braces from the variable at the top of the file, and it becomes a more mundane crash |
| 04:39 |
VanessaE |
"00:37:30: ERROR[main]: ...ocal/bin/../share/minetest/builtin/misc_register.lua:149: bad argument #-1 to 'register_item_raw' (number expected, got string)" |
| 04:41 |
VanessaE |
must be because it needs a table there |
| 04:41 |
Bad_Command |
yeah |
| 04:41 |
VanessaE |
I think, I'm a little grey on this |
| 04:41 |
Bad_Command |
I am debugging the read_groups function |
| 04:43 |
VanessaE |
ok, I just realized a screwup on the groups vs. sounds variables |
| 04:43 |
VanessaE |
(redefined one, used it twice. fixing that) |
| 04:44 |
Bad_Command |
Definitely change the group type from string to a table as you said |
| 04:44 |
Bad_Command |
colored_block_groups = { snappy = 3, flammable = 2 } |
| 04:44 |
VanessaE |
wait.... |
| 04:44 |
VanessaE |
might have something here. |
| 04:44 |
Bad_Command |
Also, colored_block_groups = default.node_sound_leaves_defaults() |
| 04:44 |
Bad_Command |
Yeah |
| 04:44 |
VanessaE |
yes I caught that and fixed... |
| 04:44 |
VanessaE |
no more crash, lemme check that it actually works... |
| 04:47 |
VanessaE |
almost got it.... |
| 04:50 |
VanessaE |
got it |
| 04:50 |
VanessaE |
http://pastebin.com/Sv2FGsQ2 |
| 04:50 |
VanessaE |
no crashes, segfaults, or errors. |
| 04:50 |
VanessaE |
I hate the coding style I had to resort to, but whatever |
| 04:51 |
VanessaE |
(it looks cleaner this way anyhow :-) ) |
| 04:52 |
Bad_Command |
Yup. You could always revert now that the problem is solved too. |
| 04:52 |
Bad_Command |
But I think it is beter. |
| 04:52 |
VanessaE |
is there a graceful way to turn those tables into some sort of 2d arrays? |
| 04:52 |
Bad_Command |
What for? |
| 04:53 |
VanessaE |
e.g. xxxx[y,1] = machine readable version of the entry, xxxx[y,2] = the human readable one |
| 04:54 |
Bad_Command |
Which tables are you referring to? |
| 04:54 |
VanessaE |
well, |
| 04:54 |
VanessaE |
look at hues={} and hues2={} |
| 04:54 |
VanessaE |
it'd have preferred to do something like: |
| 04:54 |
VanessaE |
hues = { |
| 04:55 |
VanessaE |
"red", "Red " |
| 04:55 |
VanessaE |
"orange", "Orange " |
| 04:55 |
VanessaE |
etc etc |
| 04:55 |
Bad_Command |
hues = { {color="red", name="Red"}, {color="blue", name="Blue" } |
| 04:55 |
VanessaE |
I suppose I could step through the table at 2x but that's incredibly kludgy. |
| 04:56 |
VanessaE |
eh, screw it. it stays the way it is. ;-0 |
| 04:56 |
VanessaE |
;-) |
| 05:04 |
VanessaE |
jeez, this limit on the number of defined nodes is getting really ridiculous |
| 05:04 |
cornernote |
yep |
| 05:07 |
VanessaE |
and no one can push fixes to c55's repos either. |
| 05:07 |
VanessaE |
(at least not that I know of) |
| 05:08 |
VanessaE |
there needs to be NO limit - I mean millions of defined nodes if the user wants it that way damn it |
| 05:11 |
VanessaE |
I think it's a combination of defined nodes and defined crafts, because now I can't get more than ~1250 defined items before I get that stupid server<->client version mismatch error (in *singleplayer* mode yet) |
| 05:11 |
VanessaE |
vanessa rainbird:~$ cat ~/.minetest/debug.txt |grep "registering" |wc 2245 17314 255672 |
| 05:11 |
VanessaE |
*sigh* |
| 05:12 |
VanessaE |
wait, that covers too much |
| 05:14 |
VanessaE |
vanessarainbird:~$ cat ~/.minetest/debug.txt |egrep -i "ItemDefManager: registering|registerCraft: registering" |wc |
| 05:14 |
VanessaE |
1783 13618 209053 |
| 05:14 |
VanessaE |
1783 registered items/crafts and the game's virtually maxed out |
| 05:15 |
VanessaE |
this sucks :( |
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| 05:30 |
VanessaE |
http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2178 |
| 05:30 |
VanessaE |
template released. |
| 05:41 |
Bad_Command |
Has anyone discussed making colour a node parameter? |
| 05:42 |
Bad_Command |
paramtype2 = color or something |
| 05:42 |
VanessaE |
people have floated the idea before, but I don't think c55 likes the idea of arbitrary colors |
| 05:43 |
Bad_Command |
Perhaps not arbitrary but a well selected set of colours (like those you have chosen) |
| 05:44 |
VanessaE |
that's what my mod is for - c55 says he will probably add a proper dyes system into the game, and my mod is one of those he will look at, he said. |
| 05:44 |
Bad_Command |
Ahh |
| 05:44 |
VanessaE |
hence my intent to make it the best possible implementation. |
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| 06:22 |
cornernote |
hi |
| 06:22 |
cornernote |
are apples supposed to drop in 0.4 ? |
| 06:23 |
VanessaE |
no |
| 06:24 |
VanessaE |
they continue to hover even after the tree has been harvested and all the leaves have decayed |
| 06:24 |
VanessaE |
also, |
| 06:24 |
VanessaE |
https://github.com/VanessaE/modtemplate |
| 06:25 |
VanessaE |
released. :-) |
| 06:25 |
cornernote |
sorry, when i say drop.. i mean spawn |
| 06:25 |
cornernote |
i was just looking at that code VanessaE |
| 06:26 |
cornernote |
gentextures.sh uses imagemagick ? i might port it to windows |
| 06:26 |
cornernote |
gentextures.bat |
| 06:27 |
VanessaE |
indeed it does, but you'll also need to come up with a replacement for bc |
| 06:27 |
cornernote |
whats it do ? |
| 06:27 |
cornernote |
this: http://www.manpagez.com/man/1/bc/ ? |
| 06:27 |
VanessaE |
(bash doesn't do floating point from the command line, so I used bc to do that part; I wanted the calculation from degrees -> whatever-you-wanna-call-that-bastardized-system-Imagemagick-uses-for-hue |
| 06:28 |
VanessaE |
yeah, that's bc |
| 06:28 |
VanessaE |
it's just a calculator |
| 06:28 |
cornernote |
ahh, ok.. then i could do gentextures.php |
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emspri |
redcrab am i banned ??? |
| 06:28 |
cornernote |
but i dont think many others running windows will have php |
| 06:29 |
VanessaE |
I don't think redcrab is around right now |
| 06:29 |
cornernote |
nice code tho, will def help others make UD mods |
| 06:30 |
VanessaE |
now we just have to figure out how to get around this ridiculously small number-of-defined-things limit |
| 06:31 |
cornernote |
yep |
| 06:31 |
cornernote |
... its really really bad |
| 06:32 |
VanessaE |
and the error you get when you smash into this limit is equally bad. |
| 06:33 |
VanessaE |
I don't mean to harp on it, and I certainly don't want to seem like I'm badmouthing c55, but come on. What was he thinking? |
| 06:34 |
Bad_Command |
He was probably thinking he had 15 different nodes defined, and it took him forever |
| 06:34 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 06:34 |
VanessaE |
well guess what folks - a little scripting and a little logic and one node can become hundreds. |
| 06:34 |
Bad_Command |
It is desirable to have a very compact node definition |
| 06:34 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 06:35 |
Bad_Command |
You know, there are so damn many of them |
| 06:35 |
VanessaE |
sure - if you're talking about a difference of hundreds of bytes per node |
| 06:35 |
VanessaE |
per node entry that is |
| 06:35 |
Bad_Command |
No, just a few bits per node |
| 06:36 |
VanessaE |
but this just needs an extra byte or two to make the field width so insanely large no one could possibly overlflow it |
| 06:36 |
VanessaE |
overflow* |
| 06:38 |
VanessaE |
I believe in going for overkill when it makes sense to :-) |
| 06:39 |
Bad_Command |
It is a good idea to keep those datastructures as compact as possible. Any extra information has to be both stored and transmitted to the client |
| 06:39 |
Bad_Command |
Really, I would imagine that 2048 or whatever is a reasonable limit. |
| 06:39 |
VanessaE |
yes yes |
| 06:40 |
VanessaE |
but we're only talking about 2 bytes. That's an extra ~3.5k if the machine is just over the existing limit (assuming the extra bytes are sent raw) |
| 06:41 |
Bad_Command |
2 bytes * 4096 nodes/block = 8kb/block |
| 06:41 |
VanessaE |
even an old style dialup modem could push 3.5k in less than a second. |
| 06:41 |
VanessaE |
huh? |
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| 06:41 |
VanessaE |
nonononono |
| 06:41 |
VanessaE |
ok, well maybe yeah |
| 06:42 |
VanessaE |
but still |
| 06:42 |
Bad_Command |
That's per block: a cube 16 on a side. |
| 06:42 |
VanessaE |
then add it as a separate field that only gets sent if it's needed. |
| 06:42 |
VanessaE |
if under the limit, use the existing protocol. if over the limit, send the extra bytes |
| 06:42 |
Bad_Command |
But you can't do that, the field represents the type: it indexes to a table of node defs or something |
| 06:43 |
VanessaE |
c55 said he's going to expand the field in question to use the rest of the currently-unused bits associated with it |
| 06:43 |
Bad_Command |
Sounds like a good plan |
| 06:43 |
VanessaE |
(what was 11 bits would become something like 14 bits if I remember the conversation correctly) |
| 06:44 |
VanessaE |
(as there are one or two bits reserved for some other function in that same field) |
| 06:45 |
VanessaE |
I'm just saying, go further - take it to the very limit |
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| 06:46 |
VanessaE |
an extra byte would (if I remembered the 14 bits correctly) give you 22 bits or ~4.2 million possible nodes. |
| 06:47 |
VanessaE |
THAT is overkill :-) |
| 06:48 |
Bad_Command |
Is it just the colour implementations that are eating up all the slots? |
| 06:48 |
VanessaE |
no |
| 06:49 |
VanessaE |
some mods define dozens or hundreds of new nodes - look at mesecons, blox, bobblocks, and homedecor |
| 06:49 |
VanessaE |
together I think those total something like 400 nodes, plus the crafting recipes. |
| 06:49 |
Bad_Command |
I see |
| 06:49 |
VanessaE |
unifieddyes adds 77 new craftitems and related crafts |
| 06:49 |
Bad_Command |
per coloured thing |
| 06:50 |
VanessaE |
no |
| 06:50 |
VanessaE |
one craft item and recipe per colored object. |
| 06:50 |
VanessaE |
77 colors are defined in that mod. |
| 06:50 |
VanessaE |
hence 77 colored objects. |
| 06:51 |
Bad_Command |
Right, and something using it and implementing a full set of colours would use 77 colours, right? |
| 06:51 |
VanessaE |
either I or jordach or bas080 are going to write a cotton mod to replace wool, it will have slightly more nodes and crafts as unifieddyes |
| 06:51 |
Bad_Command |
77 node types |
| 06:51 |
VanessaE |
s/as/then/ |
| 06:51 |
VanessaE |
in theory yes |
| 06:51 |
VanessaE |
s/then/than/ |
| 06:51 |
VanessaE |
<- tired. |
| 06:51 |
Bad_Command |
So lots of nodes ;) |
| 06:52 |
VanessaE |
yes, lots of nodes. |
| 06:52 |
VanessaE |
a metric assload. :-) |
| 06:52 |
VanessaE |
plus there's that painting mod that workflow` wrote |
| 06:53 |
VanessaE |
I'm not sure how many objects it defines, but I could see the possibility of it reaching into the hundreds |
| 06:53 |
VanessaE |
(since it allows you to create arbitrary low-resolution objects in-game) |
| 06:54 |
VanessaE |
now you see why I advocate total overkill :-) |
| 06:55 |
VanessaE |
don't arbitrarily limit the game - let the user be the one to decide if his or her computer can handle that much data. |
| 06:55 |
Bad_Command |
I think a different implementation may be a better approach |
| 06:55 |
Bad_Command |
Put the painted stuff in metadata, colour as a node parameter |
| 06:56 |
Bad_Command |
But, yeah, it does sound like the 1700 limit is on the low side |
| 06:57 |
VanessaE |
it's not even 1700 - it's something else - some combination of node definitions, nodeboxes, craftitems, and crafting recipes. Whatever those total up to seems to be upwards of 2300. |
| 06:57 |
VanessaE |
I ran into the same issue earlier today with fewer nodes defined than before, presumably because of an increase in the number of recipes |
| 06:58 |
VanessaE |
(while testing that modding template0 |
| 07:00 |
VanessaE |
ok, enough ranting. time for me to hit the sack |
| 07:02 |
VanessaE |
night all |
| 07:03 |
cornernote |
night VanessaE |
| 07:09 |
cornernote |
if i want the clients to see my server graphics, where do i put the textures? |
| 07:09 |
cornernote |
eg, for the player[_back].png |
| 07:25 |
Weedy |
02:52:06 < VanessaE> a metric assload. :-) |
| 07:25 |
Weedy |
metric fuckton |
| 07:25 |
darkrose |
with the current release you have to put them in gams/minetest_game/mods/*/textures... but I've got a patch so you can just put them in textures/all on the server |
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| 08:04 |
jordach |
hehehe |
| 08:04 |
jordach |
http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/712060-minecraft-ubuntu-wont-start/#entry9294034 he talks ABOUT MINETEST |
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jordach |
sup |
| 08:45 |
workflow |
http://imgur.com/a/e3nlI my first mod. |
| 08:48 |
jordach |
saw these yesterday |
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brobostigon |
good morning everyone. |
| 08:58 |
Calinou |
morning |
| 08:59 |
brobostigon |
morning Calinou |
| 08:59 |
Calinou |
lol'd at someone being killed on freenode: "Spam is off topic on freenode" |
| 09:00 |
brobostigon |
lol |
| 09:18 |
jordach |
oh god |
| 09:18 |
jordach |
it hurts |
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jordach |
i have a chest infection......fun |
| 09:27 |
brobostigon |
:( |
| 09:30 |
jordach |
brobostigon, hurts like crazy to swallow, breathing in short bursts, persistent cough, yeah im fucke |
| 09:30 |
jordach |
d* |
| 09:30 |
brobostigon |
i know the feleing yes. |
| 09:30 |
brobostigon |
:( |
| 09:30 |
jordach |
thank god tesco has medicine |
| 09:31 |
brobostigon |
:) |
| 09:31 |
jordach |
^ lives in the uk |
| 09:32 |
jordach |
dont even need a /whois |
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| 09:32 |
Calinou |
hi cornernote & MiJyn |
| 09:32 |
brobostigon |
jordach: i am also, yes. |
| 09:33 |
Calinou |
hmm... my ignore list saved, for once |
| 09:33 |
jordach |
Calinou, thats XCHAT |
| 09:40 |
Calinou |
lol |
| 09:42 |
Calinou |
~obit emspri anyway |
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emspri |
Calinou are u here ?? |
| 09:47 |
Calinou |
yes |
| 09:47 |
Calinou |
~obit emspri |
| 09:47 |
emspri |
i griefed ur steel blocks |
| 09:48 |
Calinou |
thank you for stealing 20 steel blocks |
| 09:48 |
Calinou |
:d |
| 09:48 |
emspri |
but il pay the doeble and 2 mese pickaxes back |
| 09:48 |
emspri |
the double i mean |
| 09:48 |
Calinou |
no, you got your privs revoked for 48 hours |
| 09:48 |
Calinou |
I got my steel blocks back |
| 09:49 |
emspri |
so when i got my privs back il give u 40 steel blocks and 2 mese pickaxes |
| 09:49 |
emspri |
can u forgive me ?? i promise it wont hapen again |
| 09:50 |
Calinou |
no |
| 09:50 |
Calinou |
redcrab gave me 20 steel blocks |
| 09:50 |
emspri |
so u dont want 40 steel blocks ?? |
| 09:51 |
emspri |
then u have 60 and maybe u can make that house thing of steel blocks |
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* emspri |
slaps emspri around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:55 |
emspri |
XD |
| 09:56 |
emspri |
do u want the steel blocks or not |
| 09:56 |
emspri |
??? |
| 09:58 |
* emspri |
slaps emspri around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:58 |
emspri |
BYE |
| 10:03 |
jordach |
hahahahahahahaha |
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| 10:03 |
jordach |
Minetest for nintendo DS? http://smealum.net/dscraft/ |
| 10:04 |
jordach |
BRB, going to swtich OS |
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| 10:08 |
cornernote |
in my world, some of the textures seem to have become broken |
| 10:08 |
cornernote |
eg, the image appears to be random parts of other images |
| 10:12 |
bas080 |
I have had that too. Some mod messing with others |
| 10:13 |
bas080 |
Remove all mods and slowly introduce new ones |
| 10:14 |
cornernote |
that will break everything |
| 10:14 |
cornernote |
you cant remove mods =) |
| 10:14 |
cornernote |
well i guess u can, but temp kinda thing |
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cornernote |
ok, will try |
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cornernote |
yeah, that worked |
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cornernote |
thanks bas080 |
| 10:25 |
Calinou |
<cornernote> eg, the image appears to be random parts of other images |
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Calinou |
minetest.conf: |
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Calinou |
enable_texture_atlas = false |
| 10:25 |
Calinou |
add this line |
| 10:25 |
Calinou |
slows down the game a bit! |
| 10:25 |
Calinou |
but fixes these issues |
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bas080 |
Calinou: what does that configuration do? |
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Calinou |
it disables the texture atlas |
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Calinou |
texture atlas: a large texture combining small textures for optimal speed. does not work with "HD" texture packs |
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cornernote |
is there a way to repair tools ? |
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jordach |
yes |
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jordach |
stick two of the same type next to each other |
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Calinou |
2% bonus :P |
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Calinou |
redcrab, où peut-on trouver le mod "sethome"? |
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Calinou |
french translation of lua API doc: line 500! :D |
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brobostigon |
:) |
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Calinou |
(512 to be exact) |
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* Calinou |
's desktop with debian testing + xfce: http://ompldr.org/vZXFveA/Capture%20d'%C3%A9cran%20-%2014072012%20-%2015:35:21.png |
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emspri |
Calinou : you still cant forgive me ?? <:( |
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Calinou |
hi |
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emspri |
hi |
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Calinou |
emspri, redcrab gave me 20 steel blocks already |
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emspri |
but i stil will give u 40 |
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Calinou |
if you want... yes, but I'm not forcing you |
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emspri |
i made a mistake and i have to pay for it |
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emspri |
im so sorry for griefing u |
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emspri |
so can u please forgive me ???? |
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Calinou |
-_- |
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Calinou |
why do you send me a DCC? |
| 13:55 |
Calinou |
noone does that today |
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emspri |
but if u can forgive me can you give redcrab permision to give my privs earlier back ?? |
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Calinou |
no, he will give your privs back in 48 hours. don't be so impatient |
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emspri |
ok |
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emspri |
bye |
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VanessaE |
morning all |
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VanessaE |
jordach: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=28399 |
| 15:26 |
VanessaE |
scroll down to "semi automatic generation" and read the "example code" part too. New downloads for you to mess around with that might get cotton up and running faster |
| 15:29 |
VanessaE |
the template there should, if I did it right, be able to supplant ~90% of the code you need for the cotton mod. |
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Keegan |
hello |
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Keegan |
does anyone know how to use python for daily map updates |
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Keegan |
??? |
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Tukeke |
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s720x720/531653_472005976145822_677518032_n.jpg |
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Keegan |
does anyone know how to use python for daily map updates |
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Keegan |
??? |
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VanessaE |
sorry, no. I know vaguely how to run the map generator script but that's it |
| 16:29 |
Keegan |
ok |
| 16:35 |
Keegan |
will this help http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=482 |
| 16:35 |
VanessaE |
try it and see. |
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Keegan |
where do i put the imaging file |
| 16:37 |
VanessaE |
where? |
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VanessaE |
I don't understand |
| 16:37 |
Keegan |
i downloaded the imaging file for python on the forum |
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Tukeke |
http://www.fakt.pl/m/Repozytorium.Obiekt.aspx/-650/-550/faktonline/634380440531123482.jpg |
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VanessaE |
I wouldn't know about that; I use Linux, so Python and its imaging library come from my OS's software repository |
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Keegan |
ok |
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VanessaE |
so I just tell my repository manager ("Synaptic") to download and in... |
| 16:39 |
VanessaE |
...stall it. |
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VanessaE |
*grumble* |
| 16:39 |
VanessaE |
you know, I'm gonna just start posting lmgtfy links in the future. |
| 16:46 |
darkrose |
a tricorder for minetest! http://stuff.ltmnet.com/images/mt/tricorder-2.png |
| 16:55 |
Calinou |
Tukeke, and? |
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Calinou |
VanessaE, lolsynaptic |
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VanessaE |
what, what's wrong with synaptic? |
| 16:56 |
Calinou |
command line FTW :P |
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brobostigon |
aptitude :) |
| 17:01 |
Calinou |
apt-get is better, imo |
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darkrose |
portage > apt |
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brobostigon |
Calinou: well i like aptitude for its ncurses gui, a cli synaptic assentially. aptitude in simple mode like with apt-get , apt-get is certain more resource friendly and is quicker. |
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FreeFull |
I use pacman |
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Calinou |
arch sucks |
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FreeFull |
I've yet to find anything I like better |
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VanessaE |
damn ISP.. |
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Taoki |
Hmm, almost a month since any update on GIT |
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VanessaE |
yeah .. |
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Someguy123 |
<27FreeFull> I've yet to find anything I like better |
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Someguy123 |
debian is kinda k, fedora is pretty nice - bleeding edge, but stable. |
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Someguy123 |
oh, and there's always gentoo |
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brobostigon |
debian unstable/sid is rolling, bleeding edge, |
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Someguy123 |
brobostigon, but, it's unstable and not actually bleeding edge |
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Someguy123 |
=_= |
| 20:13 |
brobostigon |
debian has three, stable/testing/unstable. |
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brobostigon |
Someguy123: it is bleeding edge, as the most upto date packages are directly imported into it, without testing or otherwise. |
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Someguy123 |
brobostigon, up to date my ass. |
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Someguy123 |
whenever I've tried unstable |
| 20:14 |
Someguy123 |
the packages have been behind stable ubuntu |
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brobostigon |
Someguy123: well, i can prove my point, i run it as we speak, i could check direct versions if you wanted. |
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brobostigon |
Someguy123: stable ubuntu pulls packages from debian testing, therefore are not as upto date. |
| 20:16 |
Someguy123 |
brobostigon, okay well I'm on windows atm, so I can't really compare it |
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Someguy123 |
I'd have to check some web repo |
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brobostigon |
Someguy123: i can and do, so accept it please. compare packages.ubuntu.com and packages.debian.org |
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Someguy123 |
not too sure about ubuntu |
| 20:17 |
Someguy123 |
but I'm sure fedora and arch are much further ahead |
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brobostigon |
Someguy123: you sugegsted it as a comparison. |
| 20:18 |
brobostigon |
well, thats a matter of comparison, before claims are made, without proof. |
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Someguy123 |
brobostigon, okay, what packages would be a good example to check? |
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brobostigon |
Someguy123: try gnome-shell |
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Someguy123 |
3.4.1-0ubuntu2 |
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Someguy123 |
sid (unstable) (gnome): graphical shell for the GNOME desktop |
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Someguy123 |
3.4.1-8 |
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Someguy123 |
okay, sid is 8 ahead vs ubuntu |
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brobostigon |
there we go. |
| 20:20 |
Someguy123 |
now let me quickly check arch |
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Someguy123 |
okay |
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Someguy123 |
brobostigon, I can't find gnome-shell on arch |
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brobostigon |
Someguy123: some dont package gnome3 yet, or even import it. |
| 20:22 |
Someguy123 |
closest I can see is gnome-common and gnome-utils |
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Someguy123 |
brobostigon, no, arch was one of the first |
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Someguy123 |
iirc |
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brobostigon |
those are from gnome2. |
| 20:23 |
brobostigon |
partly, |
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brobostigon |
hmmm, |
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Someguy123 |
they've version 3 brobostigon |
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Someguy123 |
3.4.0.1-2 for gnome-common |
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Someguy123 |
and 3.4.0-1 for gnome-utils |
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brobostigon |
Someguy123: some package names are the same over versions. |
| 20:23 |
brobostigon |
well, they are older equal gnome3 cversion packages. |
| 20:24 |
Someguy123 |
okay now I'll test fedora |
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brobostigon |
ok. |
| 20:25 |
Someguy123 |
okay, I think fedora won, gnome-shell.3.5.3-2 for their unstable |
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Someguy123 |
and 3.4.1-4 in their main f17 |
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brobostigon |
that is gnome3 unstable version also, where as the others are gnome3 stable versions. |
| 20:27 |
Someguy123 |
so in this case if you're counting gnome3 stable, that's debian, fedora, then arch in order of recentness |
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Someguy123 |
which is pretty surprising |
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brobostigon |
yes. |
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brobostigon |
why ? |
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Someguy123 |
because whenever I've used arch |
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Someguy123 |
it's been bleeding edge as far as getting 100+ package updates |
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Someguy123 |
per hour |
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brobostigon |
well, you proved that wrong, and dont you think, i knew that already, to be able to say what i did. |
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FreeFull |
Someguy123: I already tried Debian, and I don't think I'll try fedora |
| 20:29 |
FreeFull |
Debian definitely isn't it for me |
| 20:29 |
Someguy123 |
FreeFull, fedora imo is pretty nice |
| 20:29 |
Someguy123 |
because you get recent packages, a nice community, and also a stable distro |
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Someguy123 |
at the moment I just use windows though |
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Someguy123 |
so... me. |
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Someguy123 |
meh* |
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FreeFull |
How easy would it be to do a minimal install of Fedora (and I do mean minimal, just the kernel and standard command-line tools), and then customise upwards to what I want? |
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khonkhortisan |
those mesecon movestones move further than they have power to |
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khonkhortisan |
if I make it go both ways with a blinkyplant, plug, inverter, and two mesecon lanes, it goes left, then goes right from where it started instead of where it is currently and it ends up past the end of the path |
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khonkhortisan |
I need to add a delay to the inverter |
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jordach|tablet |
sup |
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workflow |
ouf, still working on my painting mod |
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NakedFury |
what will it do in game? |
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workflow |
it adds an easel and canvas to allow for paintings to be crafted |
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NakedFury |
and you can paint whatever you want on the canvas? |
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workflow |
yeah |
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workflow |
8x8 |
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cy1 |
wtf is "hunger games" |
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cy1 |
khonkhortisan: movestones are broken, they crash the server every time :/ |
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NakedFury |
another name for survival free for all |
| 23:31 |
cy1 |
yes, but what is that different from the regular game |
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khonkhortisan |
pistons are broken too, place one sideways in front of another |
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cy1 |
hah, yeah |
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cy1 |
pistons erase pistons |
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cy1 |
they should push pistons, but nope |
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khonkhortisan |
depending on the order which piston "pistoned" a different block would be moved |
| 23:34 |
khonkhortisan |
piston (0,0) points right. piston (1,0) points up. Either (1,1) or (2,1) could be pushed up. |
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cy1 |
pistons can point...up? |
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khonkhortisan |
well, if you're looking down |
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khonkhortisan |
up if y and z were switched |
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cy1 |
I could never place them to point up or down. |
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NakedFury |
pistons could be edited so when you punch them they switch directions |
