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00:11 noob can anyone try and get on minetest.ru    port 30001    it might be my client or the server just wondering if you do see if its on thankyou :D
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00:39 MiJyn hola
00:39 VanessaE khonkhortisan: use Worldedit to replace the unknown object
00:39 VanessaE (dig it once and the game will tell you what it was)
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00:53 khonkhortisan I just recreated the map
00:53 khonkhortisan lua doesn't have a continue?
00:57 MiJyn I think it does khonkhortisan
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01:08 khonkhortisan doesn't work fon me
01:11 khonkhortisan it thinks it's a variable
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01:34 marktraceur khonkhortisan: Wrap the rest of the function in an if statement?
01:46 khonkhortisan yeah I just reverse the if that was going to continue
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01:51 khonkhortisan if (a = b) == c then
01:52 khonkhortisan Should that work in lua?
01:58 khonkhortisan that's an odd effect removing all the default:dirt, the grass layer is still there
02:07 MiJyn khonkhortisan, yeah, that should work.
02:34 MiJyn khonkhortisan, you mean that you see the grass _without_ the dirt?
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03:38 marktraceur Plejanov: Found a good name yet? :)
03:40 marktraceur Guess not :P
03:41 Tukeke marktraceur, hello
03:41 Tukeke xD
03:41 marktraceur Tukeke: Happy with your choice?
03:42 Tukeke xDD
03:42 Tukeke ahahaha
03:42 Tukeke yes
03:51 MiJyn Tueke, aww, Kasparov was awesome!!!
03:51 * MiJyn is a chess nerd
03:52 MiJyn *Tukeke
03:54 Tukeke xD
03:54 Tukeke I am chess player
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05:41 khonkhortisan no the grass roots keep some dirt there, but I dig the grass and have a layer of air before the stone
06:25 khonkhortisan minetest.register_on_generated() misses a big chunk where the player spawns
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08:12 Calinou_ netsplit :c
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08:22 khonkhortisan Calinou_: you saw it both going and coming
08:27 brobostigon good morning everyone.
08:33 Calinou_ hi
08:34 Calinou_ * Calinou :Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable
08:34 Calinou_ :c
08:35 brobostigon hi Calinou_
08:50 Calinou_ the entire crafting page now uses the new crafting template! :D
08:51 Calinou_ http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Crafting
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08:57 Anelisa salut
08:58 Calinou_ salut Anelisa
08:58 Anelisa salut Calinou !!
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08:59 fbycia Salut/Hello
08:59 Calinou_ hi
08:59 fbycia Il y a des francais ?
08:59 Anelisa Oui :)
09:00 Calinou_ oui
09:00 Calinou_ n'hésite pas à regarder dans le forum: "discussion in other languages"
09:00 fbycia ah oui ^
09:00 fbycia ^^*
09:01 fbycia calinou est ce que tu arrive a installer un pack de texture en 0.4 ?
09:01 Calinou_ oui
09:01 Calinou_ par contre: les packs de textures doivent être à jour pour la 0.4
09:01 Calinou_ et les textures doivent être dans le dossier "textures/all"
09:01 fbycia oui sa je l'ai fais
09:02 fbycia texture_path = C:\Users\alex\Desktop\minetest\textures\all
09:02 fbycia et j'ai rajouter cette ligne au conf
09:02 Anelisa tu t'apelle ALEX (je suis trop forte /SORT/
09:02 Calinou_ fbycia, pas la peine
09:03 Calinou_ un texture_path non défini cherche automatiquement dans le dossier textures/all
09:03 Calinou_ ^^
09:03 fbycia ah merci
09:03 fbycia bizarre sa amrche pas, sa vient peut etre du pack
09:05 fbycia non toujours pas :s
09:05 Calinou_ fbycia, quel pack?
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09:10 Anelisa ^^
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09:12 Anelisa re
09:12 Anelisa Vous saviez que j'avais un talent pour le graphisme ? /SORT/
09:13 Anelisa http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=120704112644212437.png
09:14 Anelisa http://www.pixenli.com/images/mini/1341393239042791400.png
09:15 Anelisa ah mince, http://www.pixenli.com/image1341393239042791400.html
09:15 Anelisa voilà le dernier c'est le bon ! =)
09:15 Anelisa bon...
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09:16 fbycia désolé j'ai planter ^^
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09:23 Calinou page du crafting sur le wiki changée! nouveau template! :D
09:23 Calinou http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Crafting
09:23 Anelisa PAS MAL ! :)
09:23 Anelisa oups
09:26 Anelisa je viens d'apprendre à faire des Fenêtre grâce au wiki !! @_:à
09:26 Anelisa @_@
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09:26 Calinou_ wow, crashy
09:28 fbycia http://minetest.fr, qu'est ce que vous en pensez ? :)
09:28 fbycia sans la virgule ^^
09:29 Calinou DERP
09:29 Calinou HERP
09:29 Calinou vite, alt+f4
09:29 Calinou > logo animé
09:29 Calinou > je sens le site sonore
09:30 fbycia pas du tout
09:30 Calinou logo animé par contre; bof
09:31 Calinou et la texture de planches de soartex... autant mettre une texture par défaut
09:31 fbycia oui la texture du fond c'est en attendant
09:31 Calinou "Car comme on le sait Minecraft est codé en Java, ce qui demande énormément de ressources pour les PC & Mac."
09:31 Calinou y a un truc qui s'appelle linux
09:31 Calinou :P
09:32 Calinou ""devellopement" > "développement"
09:32 Calinou "concurrencé Minecraft" > "concurrencer Minecraft"
09:32 fbycia lol oui
09:32 Calinou "+ Le jeu fonctionne sur Windows, Linux et Mac OS X." > pas de support de mac os x sur la dernière version 0.4
09:32 Calinou seulement 0.3.1 et une vielle version de la 0.4
09:32 Calinou il y a des sons.
09:33 Calinou (0.4)
09:33 fbycia oui oui
09:33 fbycia mais la je parle de la version stable de 0.3.1
09:33 Calinou "Voulez-vous jouer en ligne avec le créateur du jeu ?" < c55 a arrêté son serveur depuis un bout de temps ^^
09:33 fbycia sa amrche sous mac et sans sons
09:33 fbycia j'ai vu sa en testant tout à l'heure
09:34 * Calinou a 459 edits sur le wiki de minetest
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09:36 Anelisa pas mal le site !
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09:37 Anelisa Où on trouve le mese ?
09:38 fbycia mese ?
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09:38 Anelisa ben l'or, on vas dire
09:39 fbycia en minant sans doute ^^
09:40 Calinou je bosse sur un traduction en français de la documentation de l'API de mods de minetest
09:40 Calinou 1357 lignes à traduire ça va prendre du temps
09:40 Calinou ._.
09:41 Calinou j'en suis à la ligne 24
09:41 redcrab Wow Calinou, merci :)
09:41 Anelisa oui mais où ? --'
09:41 Calinou je demanderai à c55 de le mettre sur le git, dans le dossier doc, nommé "lua_api_fr.txt" éventuellement
09:41 Calinou Anelisa, sur mon éditeur de texte. :]
09:42 Anelisa je look
09:42 Anelisa il est où en faîte ?
09:47 fbycia Oula bonne chance calinou xD
09:47 Anelisa >__<
09:48 Anelisa comment je me crée mon server ?
09:48 Calinou ligne 64 :)
09:48 Anelisa serveur
09:48 Calinou Anelisa, éxécute le binaire minetestserver
09:48 Calinou ou éxécute le binaire minetest avec l'argument --server
09:48 Calinou mais bon, mieux vaut compiler soi même
09:48 Calinou il y a une méthode facile (ne pas utiliser pour les serveurs dédiés):
09:49 Calinou dans "multiplayer", tu mets une adresse vide et le port 30000
09:49 Calinou ça lance un servuer
09:49 Calinou serveur*
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09:51 Anelisa je sais .. u_u
09:55 Calinou ligne 100 atteinte!
09:55 Calinou :]
09:56 Anelisa =)
09:56 Anelisa par contre je voie pas... les lignes
09:57 Calinou dans l'éditeur de texte? faut l'activer sur certains éditeurs ^^
09:57 Anelisa u_u
10:06 Calinou ligne 149 :)
10:08 Anelisa courrage ! =)
10:13 Calinou ligne 180; je vais manger
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10:27 thexyz oh, awesome
10:27 thexyz mount eats 100% cpu and can't be killed
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10:43 Anelisa re
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11:11 Anelisa ...
11:14 Calinou re
11:14 Calinou Anelisa, pourquoi?
11:14 Anelisa de quoi ?
11:15 Anelisa ah oui, pour traduire !
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12:02 Anelisa ..
12:02 Calinou point point
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12:25 Anelisa hm
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12:30 * Anelisa test
12:30 * Anelisa se souviens qu'elle avait déjà testée ça !
12:41 Anelisa bon bye
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12:52 darkrose http://stuff.ltmnet.com/images/mt/3d-mobs.png
12:54 Calinou hi opensourcist! I recognize your shitty assets! :3
12:54 Calinou also, suddenly: transparency sorting
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14:20 marktraceur Hrm.
14:20 marktraceur Woke up to July 4th (American "Independence Day") on Reddit
14:21 marktraceur People talking about freedom, liberty, etc.; Google put out something like the "Internet Declaration", and so on
14:21 marktraceur It all makes me wonder when we lost our interest in freedom, and why people seem all so concerned for it only once a year.
14:21 Calinou independance day: what will never happen with MT
14:22 Calinou too much dependencies :P
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15:52 khonkhortisan we still have our king
15:52 jordach who
15:53 khonkhortisan celeron
15:53 MiJyn huh?
15:54 khonkhortisan we are a colony that has not changed leaders
15:56 jordach more 8bit magic http://soundcloud.com/jordach/ice-mountain-zone-act-2
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16:36 jordach erm
16:36 jordach problem
16:36 jordach VanessaE, you know a fix?
16:37 jordach no worry
16:37 jordach my SATAMK1 /sda2 was real slow
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16:50 jordach 44,005 files is contained on my /sda/D:/ which eats 36Gigs
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17:05 jordach some more truth
17:05 jordach http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=29723#p29723
17:09 marktraceur jordach: If you're leaving the community, you'll be sorely missed--we need people above all else, you know!
17:09 jordach im not leaving
17:09 jordach IM ATTEMPTING TO BRING BACK THE LOST USERS
17:09 marktraceur The noobs, they come and go. Hackers stick around.
17:09 jordach erm
17:09 jordach ironzorg?
17:09 khonkhortisan how do I know which one I am?
17:09 jordach he made some really nice mods
17:09 jordach but, hes now gone
17:09 marktraceur Hm, true, I remember that there were some nice mods
17:10 marktraceur From him
17:10 jordach tell me this: minetest was NEVER supposed to be an engine
17:10 marktraceur I agree, that too is a shame. But that tie won't be broken, once you work on a project you're enmeshed in it
17:10 marktraceur Sorry, that was Re: Ironzorg
17:11 marktraceur Re: Engine, I disagree. The game was built on top of an engine, so a large part of it was always meant to be so.
17:11 marktraceur Especially with the Lua API, people realized it made more sense to have an engine and multiple games on top
17:11 jordach celeron had even stated something here: http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40468
17:13 marktraceur jordach: The original intent of the project, sure
17:14 marktraceur jordach: But projects definitely change, and their goals change with them
17:14 jordach i dont really feel that its open source anymore
17:14 jordach lets roll the 0.2 commits
17:14 jordach sfan5 is there, bookwar, kahrl, others
17:14 jordach thats open source
17:14 jordach NOW? NO.
17:15 jordach all his own commits
17:15 sfan5 wut?
17:15 jordach celeron only makes commits, and back in 0.2 everyone did
17:15 NakedFury more people are coming but less know c++
17:16 marktraceur Perhaps a result of the Lua API
17:16 marktraceur People look at it, and think it's a good way to solve problems
17:16 marktraceur But it doesn't have enough functionality to do everything, so when they come across a wall they simply stop
17:16 BloodyFire I know C++ but it takes time to learn how minetest works.
17:17 khonkhortisan how do I get the facedir out of a node? (I'm trying to add grass to my dirt nodebox)
17:20 thexyz khonkhortisan: #minetest-mods
17:20 khonkhortisan okay
17:21 Calinou <marktraceur> jordach: If you're leaving the community, you'll be sorely missed--we need people above all else, you know!
17:21 Calinou should I use the sarcasm meter?
17:22 marktraceur Calinou: No. We need people around here, this is a volunteer project. Simple facts.
17:22 Calinou we need capable coders yes
17:22 * Calinou wants mobs
17:22 * jordach will do this
17:22 * jordach is learning code
17:22 * jordach may end up making maps endless
17:23 jordach the limit should be 31000 * 100
17:23 thexyz jordach: what limit?
17:23 jordach the map limit of 31000
17:24 jordach and a flatland generator option
17:24 jordach (pixel art times)
17:25 thexyz and no flying islands
17:25 jordach yep
17:25 jordach (ill mainly look into map.cpp)
17:25 thexyz btw, also don't forget to fix typo
17:25 thexyz if you'll submit a patch
17:26 jordach im probably not gonna fix that
17:26 jordach i dislike patches
17:26 Calinou "we need people" is bad for the forum though
17:26 Calinou the average users are making spam threads/posts, it's getting annoying
17:26 jordach Calinou, this is why i want the older users to come back
17:27 marktraceur Calinou: Bad for the forum, or bad for the current setup of the forum? Maybe we just need a better way to coordinate.
17:27 Calinou more moderators... actually removing pointless posts
17:27 jordach or make a new section called newbies
17:28 jordach where its un-moderated
17:28 Calinou removing real "spam" is good yes, but we need to remove pointless posts too. this is minetest forum
17:28 Calinou and it has NO "offtopic" section, I am sorry
17:28 marktraceur Or maybe the forum isn't the best way to coordinate this?
17:29 marktraceur Maybe we should organize a proper code hosting system, and use that for the core, and the mods
17:31 sfan5 omg, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2155816/Is-Cloud-Nine-zombie-apocalypse-Police-issue-warning-new-drug-TWO-cannibal-attacks.html
17:33 jordach not really
17:33 jordach they can BAN IT
17:36 marktraceur sfan5: dailymail.co.uk is not a terribly positive sign for the helpfulness of the article
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17:37 sfan5 ...
17:37 sfan5 i just selected the first english article about that
17:38 marktraceur sfan5: Noted
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17:39 sfan5 i think http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9316220/Miami-police-warn-of-Cloud-Nine-drug-after-homeless-man-threatens-to-eat-officers.html seems to offer better "things"
17:40 jordach sfan5, im trying to find this variable in minetest MAP_BLOCKSIZE
17:41 jordach well MAP_GENERATION_LIMIT
17:41 BloodyFire grep ?
17:41 jordach no
17:41 sfan5 he uses win
17:41 jordach trying to find that variables address point
17:41 jordach then we might get bigger maps
17:41 BloodyFire Hold on.
17:42 sfan5 grep "#define MAP_BLOCKSIZE" *.h *.cpp
17:42 sfan5 constants.h:#define MAP_BLOCKSIZE 16
17:42 sfan5 constants.h://#define MAP_BLOCKSIZE 32
17:42 Calinou lol
17:42 BloodyFire This has nothing to do with map size.
17:42 jordach MAP_GENERATION_LIMIT
17:42 jordach thats the one
17:42 sfan5 grep "#define MAP_GENERATION_LIMIT" *.h *.cpp
17:42 sfan5 constants.h:#define MAP_GENERATION_LIMIT (31000)
17:42 Calinou <marktraceur> Maybe we should organize a proper code hosting system, and use that for the core, and the mods
17:42 Calinou > github or gitorious
17:42 Calinou I'm talking about the general discussion on the server
17:42 Calinou noobs asking for spoon feeding
17:43 Calinou useless posts & threads
17:43 Calinou "games"
17:43 jordach yep
17:43 marktraceur Calinou: And I'm saying that, if we set up a more robust code hosting system, the developer community could exist independently of the user community, or at least shielded from constant barrage
17:43 jordach Calinou, lets watch minetest get a huger map now
17:43 BloodyFire Alright, sfan5 has the location. Shutting down eclipse again. :>
17:44 sfan5 grep is faster
17:44 BloodyFire Sure.
17:44 jordach BloodyFire, whats the variabloe bits used in minetest?
17:44 jordach for MAP_GENERATION_LIMIT
17:44 marktraceur grep: 5 seconds (if that) to search entire minetest directory
17:44 marktraceur eclipse: 2 minutes to start up
17:44 BloodyFire Variable bits?
17:44 marktraceur I dunno, it's pretty close
17:44 jordach like, 8,16,32,64
17:45 BloodyFire What has it to do with MAP_GENERATION_LIMIT?
17:45 jordach (id like it so we could have endless maps)
17:45 jordach AN ENDLESS MAP
17:45 jordach no more need for LIMITS
17:46 sfan5 #define is not like int
17:46 sfan5 int is afaik 32 bit
17:46 BloodyFire Yeah, it's pretty hardcoded.
17:46 sfan5 but #define is nothing
17:46 BloodyFire It depends on how it's used.
17:46 jordach hm
17:46 jordach so what would #define be then
17:46 BloodyFire But it cannot be modified.
17:46 sfan5 #define test "abc" is valid
17:47 jordach sfan5, so would 900000000 work in #define
17:47 marktraceur jordach: #define is a preprocessor directive
17:47 BloodyFire #define is just for exchange MAP_GENERATION_LIMIT with 31000
17:47 sfan5 jordach: yep
17:47 BloodyFire In all places in the code.
17:47 jordach so it will eat anything in this case
17:47 marktraceur jordach: When you do #define SOMETHING SOMETHING_ELSE, every instance of SOMETHING in the file gets replaced with SOMETHING_ELSE, regardless of what those two things are
17:47 marktraceur (IIRC)
17:48 jordach ahh
17:48 marktraceur And apparently, when you include the file, the #defines get applied to the file where you included them
17:49 jordach lemme geuss, so that define MAP_GENERATION_LIMIT (31000) will use whats in the brackets for short?
17:49 BloodyFire Maybe it would be an idea to add MAP_NO_LIMIT and if it's set to 1, the limit check should be passed or something like that.
17:49 marktraceur That sounds about right
17:49 sfan5 jordach: short numver type?
17:49 BloodyFire I don't know much about code that you need to look for this.
17:49 sfan5 *number
17:50 jordach sfan5, what?
17:50 jordach (since celeron is away
17:50 jordach im going to make some cool things with it")
17:50 sfan5 ...
17:50 jordach cmon, who wants never ending maps
17:50 jordach (i hate being trapped in some cube)
17:50 sfan5 <BloodyFire> Maybe it would be an idea to add MAP_NO_LIMIT and if it's set to 1, the limit check should be passed or something like that.
17:51 sfan5 we would have to change things in constants.cpp,server.cpp,map.cpp and mapblock.h
17:51 jordach yes
17:51 sfan5 *constans.h
17:51 jordach this simple edit will give bigger maps, at the size of hard disk
17:51 jordach (nowadays 160gb is relatively cheap)
17:52 sfan5 http://sfan5.blokkeren.co.cc/paste/index.php?6
17:52 jordach i see
17:53 jordach oh btw - imma test this right now
17:53 jordach (cmake time)
17:53 sfan5 http://sfan5.blokkeren.co.cc/paste/index.php?4
17:53 sfan5 with line numbers
17:54 jordach so why the division by chunk size
17:54 jordach that makes no sense in my view
17:55 sfan5 p is a mapblock not a node
17:55 jordach CHUNK SIZE
17:55 sfan5 and mapblock is MAPBLOCK_SIZE big
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17:55 jordach so like 16 * 16 * 16 nodes?
17:56 sfan5 yes
17:56 jordach ah
17:56 jordach so ill change this value to 8, since i lag frequently
17:56 Calinou marktraceur, we have github then
17:56 sfan5 -> more disk activity
17:56 Calinou <marktraceur> grep: 5 seconds (if that) to search entire minetest directory
17:56 Calinou <marktraceur> eclipse: 2 minutes to start up
17:56 Calinou +1
17:56 sfan5 +1
17:57 jordach hmm, 32 chunk sizes sound decent?
17:57 sfan5 ...
17:57 sfan5 yes
17:57 jordach how many nodes do we see with fog at 35
17:57 jordach (ill make chunk sizes fit spot on)
17:58 jordach (if so, it would be at the size of 64
17:58 marktraceur Calinou: We use Github for code hosting, but issues and wiki aren't hosted there. We could do a lot better.
17:58 marktraceur (sorry, issues are hosted there, but not super-active)
17:59 jordach erm bugzilla
17:59 marktraceur jordach: Right, that's one example
18:01 Calinou github wiki? just no
18:01 Calinou maybe for development... but the dev wiki is fine as-is
18:02 Calinou issue tracker on github is fine
18:02 marktraceur Calinou: It's missing a lot of nice features....
18:03 Calinou never used github wiki :P
18:03 marktraceur Plus, it's only for the one project. Bugzilla would be helpful in allowing us to host multiple projects under multiple authors
18:03 marktraceur (er, host their bug trackers)
18:06 jordach sfan5, make on on minigw?
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18:07 sfan5 jordach: what?
18:07 Calinou "<marktraceur> Plus, it's only for the one project. Bugzilla would be helpful in allowing us to host multiple projects under multiple authors" < are you talking about engine forks?
18:07 Calinou there aren't much engine forks out there
18:07 jordach configuring done
18:08 jordach found the makefile, now what
18:08 jordach because i should have a working version in a sec
18:11 marktraceur Calinou: No. Mods!
18:11 marktraceur (I'm speaking mostly from my experience here at the Wikimedia Foundation)
18:12 Calinou mods rarely have bugs, and 95% of these are engine-related
18:12 Calinou mods bugs are the author's fault... often typos or such
18:12 marktraceur Calinou: Even so, it's helpful to have a place for them
18:13 marktraceur (and really, all bugs are the author's fault at some level)
18:17 sfan5 my experimental infinite map implentation is done
18:18 sfan5 but when i run it gdb says:
18:18 sfan5 Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
18:18 sfan5 [Switching to Thread 0xa80ffb40 (LWP 13757)]
18:18 sfan5 __memset_sse2_rep () at ../sysdeps/i386/i686/multiarch/memset-sse2-rep.S:166
18:18 sfan5 166../sysdeps/i386/i686/multiarch/memset-sse2-rep.S: No such file or directory.
18:18 MiJyn huh?
18:18 MiJyn whats the code?
18:18 sfan5 hang on a sec
18:19 thexyz sfan5: bt
18:21 MiJyn so it compiles fine?
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18:21 sfan5 MiJyn: yes
18:21 * sfan5 hates git
18:22 sfan5 git doesn't want to push my new branch
18:22 sfan5 thexyz: what?
18:22 jordach sfan5, you have used MiniGW on windows xp?
18:22 sfan5 you mean mingw?
18:22 jordach yea
18:22 thexyz sfan5: execute "bt" in gdb console
18:23 sfan5 already killed the program, i'll rerun it
18:24 sfan5 thexyz: http://sfan5.blokkeren.co.cc/paste/index.php?5
18:26 thexyz sfan5: can you share it via AVAILIBLE pastebin service?
18:26 thexyz not your own-one-running-on-offline-toaster
18:26 thexyz ping: unknown host sfan5.blokkeren.co.cc
18:26 jordach exists for me
18:27 sfan5 PING sfan5.blokkeren.co.cc (31.170.166.232) 56(84) bytes of data.
18:27 sfan5 64 bytes from sfan5.blokkeren.co.cc (31.170.166.232): icmp_req=1 ttl=46 time=154 ms
18:27 Calinou fix yo hostname :P
18:28 jordach IT IS fixed
18:28 jordach for gods sake, i can see that paste
18:28 thexyz that's nice
18:28 thexyz then, jordach, you are the only who can help him
18:28 jordach (my isp has NO BLOCKS)
18:29 sfan5 http://pastie.org/private/2lpakxvvc19ea5vqmlieqg
18:30 thexyz sfan5: post also diff with original minetest
18:30 sfan5 github doesn't want to accept my fucking new branch
18:31 marktraceur sfan5: That must be painful, fucking a branch
18:32 jordach marktraceur, learning from rthe best?
18:36 sfan5 thexyz: https://github.com/sfan5/minetest/commit/68c91cf4fd893a1d640340381a88fa7a5634c0cb
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18:38 thexyz lol
18:38 thexyz of course that will crash
18:39 sfan5 why?
18:41 thexyz at least because coordinates are signed 16-bit integers, iirc
18:41 sfan5 hm
18:41 sfan5 i teleported to 40000
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18:47 Bad_Command Yeah, if you go to around 32767 there's a bug in the client with signed overflow
18:47 Bad_Command x++ etc rolls around to negative
18:47 Bad_Command Causes clients to lock up
18:48 sfan5 so:
18:48 sfan5 seraver
18:48 sfan5 *server -> supports infinite maps
18:48 sfan5 client -> nope.avi and crashes
18:49 Bad_Command practically infinite
18:49 Bad_Command 65km side to side
18:51 sfan5 hm
18:51 sfan5 how to fix the client bug?
18:53 Bad_Command I hacked a fix a while back, it wasn't elegant so I didn't commit it anywhere
18:53 Bad_Command In fact I should probably just fix it
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18:56 jordach hello Staffs
18:56 Staffs jordach: Hai
18:56 jordach i have not seen you since jan this year
18:56 jordach (forum wise)
18:56 MiJyn hi Staffs!
18:56 Guest62518 Yea i got bored so i left the minetest clan :D
18:56 Guest62518 MiJyn: Hai
18:57 Guest62518 Damn Weechat i lost my nick
18:57 jordach im trying to bring the
18:57 jordach old members of mt back together
18:58 Staffs_2 Nice
18:58 Staffs_2 I wasn't going to come back but, my friend is a hater and i am like totally bored. :D
18:59 jordach Staffs_2, we need you
18:59 * marktraceur puts on romantic music
18:59 jordach minetest  is no longer taking commits from anyone
18:59 Staffs_2 jordach: :D okay well im here for a while and fun
18:59 jordach celeron is pumping them out only
18:59 sfan5 hi Staffs_2
19:00 marktraceur jordach: Are you angling towards a fork?
19:00 Staffs_2 sfan5: Hai
19:00 jordach y?
19:00 thexyz jordach: really? what commits have you personaly send that were ignored?
19:00 thexyz *pull requests
19:00 jordach phone + irc + one hand = fun
19:00 Staffs_2 jordach: Been there, done that
19:00 thexyz yes, yes, phone…
19:00 marktraceur jordach: Because it's an interesting proposition
19:01 jordach goona have to use "the pecker"
19:01 Staffs_2 Is anyone playing right now :D ?
19:01 marktraceur jordach: Come back after your phone call, there's no rush
19:01 jordach maybe#
19:01 sfan5 maybe
19:01 sfan5 @Staffs
19:01 jordach marktraceur, cordless
19:01 Staffs_2 maybe/ Playing ?
19:01 Staffs_2 oh
19:01 sfan5 yes :D
19:02 jordach brb
19:02 jordach BATH TIME
19:02 jordach WOOT
19:02 Staffs_2 jordach: Lucky you
19:02 Staffs_2 Im too lazy
19:02 Staffs_2 sfan5: Give me a link to a download :D
19:03 sfan5 of what?
19:03 Staffs_2 Minetest
19:03 Staffs_2 I deleted old one
19:03 Staffs_2 aaand im not totally sure if i should get straight from git oorrrr
19:03 sfan5 linux?
19:03 marktraceur Staffs_2: We're all still at http://github.com/celeron55/minetest
19:03 marktraceur Latest appears to work
19:04 Staffs_2 so gitbucket or whatever it IS
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19:04 Staffs_2 oh gitHUB silly me
19:04 sfan5 Staffs_2: bitbucket is outdated as hell
19:05 marktraceur Ha, I had forgotten that c55 used bitbucket back in the day
19:06 Staffs_2 marktraceur: Yeah i always can't remember which one is the right one. The hub or bucket :D
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19:07 Staffs_2 Holy shoe i still have the latest minetest archive. Weird or what
19:07 Staffs_2 oh wait no im wronh
19:09 * sfan5 is building minetest + minetestserver on virtual archlinux machine
19:10 Staffs_2 Wooh i have arch :D
19:10 Staffs_2 im doing the same btw :D
19:10 Staffs_2 but not virtual arch
19:14 Staffs_2 One of thing that kept me thinking about mt is that i saw slabs and stairs coming up. So now when they are here i am here too :D
19:14 marktraceur Staffs_2: Ha! Glad we could help you come back :)
19:14 * marktraceur did some work on the rebase
19:15 Staffs_2 :))
19:16 Staffs_2 Ooh jordach wrote something about making of minetest 2d. intersting :D
19:16 MiJyn I dunno if he is still maintaining it
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19:17 Staffs_2 Oh well. And he said (Neko - is the one with the number) what does that mean ?
19:18 thexyz that means neko259
19:18 jordach Staffs_2, yes i am
19:18 Staffs_2 jordach: (you are) maintaining ?
19:18 jordach yes
19:18 Staffs_2 oh nice
19:18 jordach gonna fix it
19:18 Staffs_2 gonna check it
19:18 Staffs_2 somewhen
19:19 Staffs_2 oh today is 4th of july just rememburd
19:20 marktraceur Staffs_2: Ha! Welcome to the world :P
19:20 marktraceur Staffs_2: Are you in a place that celebrates it?
19:21 Staffs_2 That is why i forgot it. I don't celebrate it in my country. But i know its a big thing for americans and it is the fireworks time :D
19:21 Staffs_2 I live in europe <-()
19:22 jordach ^ someones living near germany
19:22 Staffs_2 You mean me ?\
19:22 jordach yep
19:22 Staffs_2 Hummmmm
19:22 Staffs_2 Not exactly. But my country was invaded by them so... yeah :D
19:22 jordach POLAND
19:22 Staffs_2 Nawp
19:22 jordach RUSSIA
19:23 Staffs_2 Close
19:23 jordach serbia?
19:23 Staffs_2 Nope Latvia (its pretty small)
19:23 jordach aw man
19:23 jordach but your russian sounding english makes you look russain
19:23 Staffs_2 But that is old stuff about the invading
19:23 jordach which is by the by, awesom,e
19:24 Staffs_2 You mean my english writing sounds russian'ish :D ?
19:24 Staffs_2 Well LV is next to Russia
19:24 Staffs_2 And some russians live here
19:24 jordach yep
19:24 jordach thanks geography
19:25 Staffs_2 Intersting :D
19:25 sfan5 for those who are interested: http://sfan5.dyndns.org/minetest-0.4.dev-20120606-archlinux.tar.gz
19:25 jordach linux only?
19:25 * jordach wants a win build
19:25 Staffs_2 sfan5: I just did it myself
19:25 sfan5 :/
19:25 Staffs_2 :\
19:26 Staffs_2 sry :D
19:26 sfan5 its ok :)
19:26 Staffs_2 its ok that its ok
19:26 Staffs_2 lol
19:26 sfan5 jordach: my buildbot is running
19:26 jordach YAYAY
19:26 Staffs_2 AW may gawd.
19:27 Staffs_2 Menu screen looks so bad with default texture
19:27 jordach Staffs_2, you know it can be changed out
19:27 jordach ;)
19:27 jordach also, working on Landgen V9
19:27 jordach adding: more frickin blocks
19:27 Staffs_2 i know
19:28 jordach and oddly, i got a DIRT TREE
19:28 Staffs_2 I heard about the ram leaks
19:28 Staffs_2 sad
19:28 Staffs_2 are they fixed ?
19:29 jordach no.
19:29 sfan5 i think theyre not
19:29 jordach i can try this
19:29 jordach (maybe later)
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19:29 Staffs_2 oh nvm
19:30 Staffs_2 Suggest a server :D
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19:30 sfan5 singleplayer
19:30 jordach|web hallo me using the webclient
19:30 sfan5 ;)
19:30 marktraceur jordach|web: That sucks, why?
19:30 Staffs_2 sfan5: oh well for some time
19:30 Staffs_2 :D
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19:31 marktraceur Staffs_2: marktraceur.info 30000 should be up
19:31 marktraceur Not many mods, but some interesting construction so far
19:32 sfan5 jordach: windows build uploading
19:32 jordach yay inf-land
19:32 jordach and i hate animated textures
19:32 jordach (eats loads of fps
19:32 jordach )*
19:32 marktraceur Staffs_2: If you decide to visit my server, please let me know so I can give you interact
19:33 sfan5 <jordach> yay inf-land
19:33 sfan5 my build is not inf land
19:33 jordach :C
19:33 jordach whats if for then
19:33 sfan5 infinite maps don't work
19:33 jordach whats it for then
19:33 marktraceur Calinou: http://i.imgur.com/yojnk.png
19:34 marktraceur ^ With Nouveau on a Thinkpad T420s
19:34 sfan5 New Minetest Windows Build: http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/c55/minetest-0.4.dev-20120606-02fb912-win32.7z
19:35 jordach whats it for
19:35 marktraceur sfan5: Is it built for 2012-06-06?
19:36 Staffs_2 marktraceur: Well nouveau doesn't change graphics it just sucks and is slower
19:36 Staffs_2 IMO
19:36 marktraceur Staffs_2: The point of that screenshot is that I have nearly 60FPS
19:36 sfan5 marktraceur: git-hash 02fb912
19:36 Staffs_2 OH :D
19:36 Staffs_2 lol
19:36 Staffs_2 i have nouveau right now btw
19:36 marktraceur sfan5: You should probably rename it to dev-20120703 or similar
19:36 jordach why
19:37 Staffs_2 marktraceur: Give me build perms
19:37 sfan5 marktraceur: my buildbot uses "make package" that uses the version in some cmake file
19:37 sfan5 so celeron must change it
19:38 marktraceur sfan5: Can you at least rename the file after it's generated? :P
19:38 sfan5 i could!
19:39 sfan5 marktraceur: build priv request on your server
19:39 jordach build here here
19:41 * marktraceur is glad the server is working
19:41 marktraceur There was a time where my network was screwy
19:51 jordach yep
19:51 jordach Staffs_2, i left because of terrible isp lag
19:51 Staffs_2 jordach: oh
19:52 Staffs_2 Anyyways i would keep the company but its pretty late so bye
19:52 Staffs_2 I will wait until somebody says bye back to me
19:52 Staffs_2 w8ing
19:53 marktraceur Staffs_2: Talk to you later!
19:53 Staffs_2 Bye
19:53 Staffs_2 Oh well no bye's for me anymore :D lol bb
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20:35 jordach night
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21:21 Calinou marktraceur, ubuntu...?
21:21 Calinou thought you used some other distro
21:21 Calinou anyway: nice
21:21 Calinou what's the view distance? :3
21:22 marktraceur Calinou: Yes, Ubuntu, my work computer
21:22 marktraceur And default view distance
21:22 Calinou oh, staff left
21:22 marktraceur Usually on Debian or Trisquel GNU/Linux
21:23 marktraceur Oh, I've volunteered my server to be somewhat of a test instance for the LibrePlanet "gaming collective", a bunch of free software gamers. The FSF will probably be hosting a minetest server in the near future for this group, too.
21:25 NakedFury nice
21:25 NakedFury libreplanet
21:28 * marktraceur gives up on work
21:29 marktraceur Time for minetest
21:33 Calinou inb4 griefers
21:33 Calinou hope it will e well-protected :P
21:33 Calinou be*
21:42 cy1 marktraceur: so there are more people on your server?
21:42 cy1 I should work on that sky thing...
21:44 cy1 meh!
21:44 cy1 it's still got speedhax
21:44 cy1 anti
21:44 cy1 antispeedhax
21:44 cy1 they ruin elevators :(
21:48 marktraceur cy1: How should I remove that?
21:48 cy1 using my fork of minetest ofc :3
21:48 cy1 but seriously I dunno
21:48 cy1 there's a tiny part in one file to change
21:49 cy1 marktraceur: it's commit 3727b391230c2720d9d34c94ce78fcb167e2cec6
21:50 cy1 comments out a backwards teleport thing in content_sao.cpp where the player is detected moving "too fast"
21:51 cy1 too fast being normal movement when the server is lagged
21:51 cy1 aka everything horrible about minetest.ru
21:51 cy1 So it still logs them, but doesn't backwards teleport.
21:53 cy1 eventually I intend to implement a sqlite database that records player location and time
21:53 cy1 so you can graph where they've been and how fast they got from point A to point B
21:53 cy1 then use that to decide whether to put their public key on the next stage of trust.
21:54 cy1 really if someone is using speedhax but isn't griefing others it's not cut and dry whether they should be banned or not.
21:55 cy1 maybe they're building something epic, and the admin won't give them fly because shenanigans
21:55 cy1 really minetest is more about how you want to play, not about how it must be played.
21:55 cy1 such is the nature of open source games.
21:55 cy1 speedhax can't make you friends with others by themselves, and that's the real way to win any game.
22:14 marktraceur Has anyone been able to get a joystick working with minetest on GNU/Linux?
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22:16 NakedFury never tried it
22:18 marktraceur Right, memory not happy with me
22:18 marktraceur Switch to desktop I must
22:19 NakedFury ohhhh Yoda speak
22:41 marktraceur http://marktraceur.info/shared/images/minetest/map.png
22:42 cy1 Yoda's trick was that the VA spoke german
22:42 NakedFury nice !
22:42 cy1 so he just used English words with German grammar
22:42 NakedFury I can still see the trenches
22:43 marktraceur NakedFury: I haven't patched to fix that, not sure if it's merged into master even
22:43 cy1 haha there's my sky platform~
22:43 cy1 no it's not. c55 has been absent of dev lately
22:43 NakedFury I still see them
22:43 NakedFury in my lastest games
22:43 cy1 I mean
22:43 cy1 yes it has
22:43 cy1 in MY repository :P
22:44 cy1 not minetest-CEEFIFTYFIVE though
22:44 cy1 he's just taking a break no doubt
22:44 cy1 did a lot of work with animated textures and nodeboxes and lua chests
22:47 cy1 (that was him right)
22:47 marktraceur cy1: Yes
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23:03 MiJyn yo Riddle
23:08 NakedFury marktraceur how did you take that picture of the server map?
23:12 marktraceur NakedFury: util/minetestmapper.py
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