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| 00:02 |
octacian |
How can I register a function to be called whenever an entities is killed? |
| 00:10 |
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| 00:13 |
paramat |
sfan5's commit works well, tested |
| 00:14 |
paramat |
fixes lower step bug and ladder in hole bug |
| 00:21 |
Shara |
which was ladder in hole bug? |
| 00:24 |
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| 00:34 |
paramat |
#5466 |
| 00:34 |
paramat |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5466 |
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| 00:36 |
Shara |
Ahh, thanks paramat |
| 00:57 |
paramat |
hm i have code that might provide engine double jump near a ledge, but early in testing though |
| 01:00 |
Shara |
paramat: thank you - very good news to me :D |
| 01:03 |
paramat |
careful, might have bugs :] |
| 01:03 |
paramat |
none yet |
| 01:03 |
Shara |
Any sneak related feature without bugs would amaze me :) |
| 01:04 |
paramat |
https://github.com/paramat/minetest/commit/236cde54362ff7f076e90a72525c802e43fc21a2 |
| 01:34 |
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| 02:49 |
octacian |
How can I get the difference between two positional vectors? |
| 02:50 |
octacian |
Figured it out. vector.distance |
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octacian |
minetest.hud_replace_builtint(...) doesn't return an ID that works with hud_get, does it? |
| 06:01 |
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| 06:23 |
octacian |
Super-late night all! xD |
| 06:29 |
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| 06:57 |
OldCoder |
CWz, got a minute to test a new world? |
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| 07:05 |
OldCoder |
lumidify, got a minute to try a world? |
| 07:06 |
lumidify |
Sorry, not really - I'm in a class |
| 07:07 |
OldCoder |
That would probably not work out |
| 07:07 |
OldCoder |
Try it later. Port is on minetest.org. It's apparently a MC clone. |
| 07:07 |
OldCoder |
The animals look different |
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cheapie |
What is "silver sand" supposed to be, anyway? |
| 07:32 |
red-002 |
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 07:32 |
red-002 |
... |
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shivajiva |
Silver sand is a fine white sand used in gardening. It consists largely of quartz particles that are not coated with iron oxides. Iron oxides colour sand from yellows to rich browns. Silver sand is also used as a constituent of mortar for laying light coloured pavers |
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| 08:37 |
CWz |
OldCoder, hey i am ready now |
| 09:00 |
shivajiva |
[09:19:14] <OldCoder> Real Bad Angel spoke to me yesterday unexpectedly. He explained himself after 5 years. He is very different. But he is twice the man and a dozen times more trustworthy than you'll ever be. |
| 09:00 |
shivajiva |
[09:19:30] <OldCoder> The irony is, after 5 years, the only adults I've established strong communication with... |
| 09:00 |
shivajiva |
[09:19:50] <OldCoder> are a very neurodiverse man who is supposed to be dead and somebody else who left the project 5 years ago. |
| 09:00 |
shivajiva |
[09:19:58] <OldCoder> It isn't clear why I've bothered. |
| 09:00 |
shivajiva |
[09:20:20] <OldCoder> RBA's reasons, his motives, are complex. But I understand him better than I understand people like you. |
| 09:00 |
shivajiva |
[09:20:21] <OldCoder> |
| 09:00 |
shivajiva |
[09:21:13] <OldCoder> Acknowledge that you've heard this or I'll need to ensure that you receive this message some other way. Nothing else need be said. |
| 09:01 |
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| 09:01 |
tenplus1 |
hi folks |
| 09:01 |
shivajiva |
hi ten |
| 09:01 |
tenplus1 |
hi shiva |
| 09:01 |
shivajiva |
nice to see you dude! |
| 09:02 |
nrzkt |
shivajiva: why do you paste that ? |
| 09:02 |
tenplus1 |
thanks... hi nrz |
| 09:02 |
OldCoder |
He wished to be offensive |
| 09:02 |
tenplus1 |
hi OldCoder |
| 09:02 |
OldCoder |
tenplus1, Hi |
| 09:02 |
nrzkt |
hi tenplus1 welcome back |
| 09:02 |
OldCoder |
shivajiva, that is a violation of the terms of this channel |
| 09:02 |
shivajiva |
I wish OC's diatribe to cease |
| 09:02 |
|
shivajiva was kicked by OldCoder: shivajiva |
| 09:02 |
tenplus1 |
o.O what did he paste ? |
| 09:02 |
OldCoder |
o/ |
| 09:03 |
OldCoder |
Something private that may distress a good man |
| 09:03 |
OldCoder |
Not me |
| 09:03 |
tenplus1 |
ohh |
| 09:03 |
nrzkt |
stop that war please |
| 09:03 |
nrzkt |
tenplus1: there are logs on irc.minetest.net |
| 09:03 |
OldCoder |
nrzkt, I'll accept no more condemnation or responsibility for the actions of others |
| 09:03 |
nrzkt |
tenplus1: http://irc.minetest.net/minetest-project/2017-03-28 |
| 09:04 |
OldCoder |
What was done over the weekend was unacceptable. And you are the person who has continued it. Kindly stop the "war" yourself. |
| 09:05 |
* tenplus1 |
wonders if he came back at the wrong time |
| 09:06 |
OldCoder |
tenplus1, I think you'll like the new channel better |
| 09:07 |
Amaz |
Hello ten :) |
| 09:07 |
nrzkt |
OldCoder: i don't care about sneaking war between some users and some coredevs, i don't have any opnion about this, i'm focused on other core parts :p |
| 09:07 |
tenplus1 |
hi amaz |
| 09:08 |
OldCoder |
nrzkt, you chose to say "stop the war" to *me* |
| 09:09 |
OldCoder |
It was your decision |
| 09:09 |
OldCoder |
Nobody else's |
| 09:09 |
Amaz |
Please stop this now |
| 09:09 |
OldCoder |
I said nothing to warrant this |
| 09:09 |
OldCoder |
Amaz, I have nothing to stop. I will always respond to such statements. The one who responds is blameless. |
| 09:09 |
OldCoder |
The one who attacks, on the other hand, is not. |
| 09:09 |
Amaz |
If you want to carry on this pointless discussion, do it in PMs. |
| 09:09 |
OldCoder |
Amaz, I was addressed publicly |
| 09:10 |
OldCoder |
And shivajiva chose to paste a PM |
| 09:10 |
Amaz |
I've had enough of this channel becoming a battle zone over the past couple of weeks |
| 09:10 |
OldCoder |
So PM is sort of pointless |
| 09:10 |
OldCoder |
Amaz, then speak to the attackers |
| 09:10 |
OldCoder |
shivajiva pasted a PM concerning the best friend that I have in MT |
| 09:10 |
OldCoder |
Possibly causing that friend distress |
| 09:10 |
nrzkt |
OldCoder: no, i just said, stop that war, it's directed to everybody which continue it |
| 09:11 |
OldCoder |
nrzkt, you said "stop the war" to me. I did not deserve that. |
| 09:11 |
OldCoder |
I did nothing but respond appropriately |
| 09:11 |
nrzkt |
OldCoder: your reaction is childish. |
| 09:11 |
OldCoder |
Sigh |
| 09:11 |
OldCoder |
Ad hominem\ |
| 09:11 |
OldCoder |
Bye |
| 09:11 |
|
nrzkt was kicked by OldCoder: nrzkt |
| 09:11 |
OldCoder |
Amaz, I think we see where this is headed |
| 09:12 |
|
Topic for #minetest-project is now Ad hominem is discouraged | PM ops for voice | http://minetest.org/proposal.html | Logs are at http://irc.minetest.net/minetest-project |
| 09:12 |
OldCoder |
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| 09:13 |
tenplus1 |
mt politics... |
| 09:15 |
OldCoder |
Ad hominem. That was my mistake. |
| 09:15 |
OldCoder |
It's my responsibility - and arguably fault - as well |
| 09:15 |
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| 09:15 |
OldCoder |
It was my job to stop ad hominem as soon as it started. I failed at that. I'm sorry. |
| 09:28 |
* VanessaE |
wanders in, stepping over bodies and broken glass, flips the couch upright, and sits. |
| 09:31 |
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| 09:32 |
celeron55 |
OldCoder: i don't find any of this acceptable unless you admit that you took part in starting the war |
| 09:34 |
celeron55 |
alternatively, define "the war" properly, because it's unclear what you are referring to |
| 09:36 |
celeron55 |
you can't ask others to stop unless you stop |
| 09:37 |
OldCoder |
celeron55, this is the one line that nobody will ever cross. Ever. I did not do anything but respond. I have been too meek about this issue. |
| 09:37 |
OldCoder |
There is nothing for me to "stop" |
| 09:37 |
OldCoder |
Not last week, not over the weekend, and not now |
| 09:37 |
OldCoder |
If I am addressed, I will respond. period. |
| 09:37 |
celeron55 |
i disagree |
| 09:37 |
OldCoder |
And shivajiva pasted a PM... |
| 09:38 |
OldCoder |
Which renders the entire subject of PMs sort of moot, doesn't it? |
| 09:38 |
celeron55 |
i agree that the PM paste wasn't appropriate |
| 09:38 |
OldCoder |
I spent 4 days |
| 09:38 |
OldCoder |
That I didn't have |
| 09:38 |
OldCoder |
Trying to moderate. Trying to deescalate. |
| 09:38 |
OldCoder |
I was mocked for doing so, but I kept at it |
| 09:38 |
OldCoder |
Spending time that I didn't have |
| 09:38 |
OldCoder |
I was exhausted, physically and emotionally |
| 09:38 |
OldCoder |
But I tried to meet my responsibilities |
| 09:38 |
OldCoder |
As soon as I realized |
| 09:39 |
OldCoder |
that this was necessary |
| 09:39 |
OldCoder |
I dropped most of my own concerns |
| 09:39 |
OldCoder |
and focused on deescalation |
| 09:39 |
celeron55 |
i don't think starting to talk of a fork in your position is a way of de-escalating anything |
| 09:39 |
OldCoder |
People considered it trite |
| 09:39 |
OldCoder |
I did not discuss the fork here except when asked |
| 09:39 |
OldCoder |
I told the same trite parable |
| 09:39 |
OldCoder |
about 0.9 vs 1.1 |
| 09:39 |
OldCoder |
again and again |
| 09:39 |
OldCoder |
in the hopes that people would come to their senses |
| 09:39 |
OldCoder |
None ever did. Fine. |
| 09:39 |
OldCoder |
I did what I could. |
| 09:39 |
OldCoder |
Then I was dogpiled |
| 09:40 |
OldCoder |
and told that all of this was *my* fault? |
| 09:40 |
OldCoder |
That was the last straw |
| 09:40 |
OldCoder |
|
| 09:40 |
celeron55 |
usually the best way to make people come to their senses is to talk less, not more |
| 09:40 |
OldCoder |
I WILL respond |
| 09:40 |
OldCoder |
That is a sensible philosophy |
| 09:40 |
OldCoder |
It does NOT |
| 09:40 |
OldCoder |
translate to |
| 09:40 |
OldCoder |
"He is talking so he is at fault" |
| 09:40 |
OldCoder |
I do not appreciate or accept |
| 09:40 |
OldCoder |
the dogpile over the weekend |
| 09:40 |
OldCoder |
I do not appreciate or accept |
| 09:40 |
OldCoder |
nr*'s remark about "childish" |
| 09:41 |
OldCoder |
I do not appreciate or accept] |
| 09:41 |
OldCoder |
shiva jiva's paste |
| 09:41 |
OldCoder |
of a PM that may distress |
| 09:41 |
OldCoder |
the 2nd most important person in MT after you |
| 09:41 |
OldCoder |
And |
| 09:41 |
OldCoder |
I do not appreciate or accept] |
| 09:41 |
celeron55 |
i didn't think of it that way but it might be that some people end up thinking that whoever talks most is at fault, now that you mention |
| 09:41 |
OldCoder |
your own remarks right now |
| 09:41 |
OldCoder |
Sorry, please reword that |
| 09:41 |
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| 09:41 |
OldCoder |
It doesn't quite parse |
| 09:41 |
OldCoder |
Bottom line... |
| 09:41 |
OldCoder |
If somebody is attacked |
| 09:41 |
OldCoder |
or even addressed |
| 09:42 |
OldCoder |
You may *wish* they do not respond |
| 09:42 |
OldCoder |
But they have the right to do so |
| 09:42 |
OldCoder |
If they respond |
| 09:42 |
OldCoder |
and they are mocked or attacked further |
| 09:42 |
OldCoder |
|
| 09:42 |
OldCoder |
anything goes |
| 09:42 |
OldCoder |
|
| 09:42 |
OldCoder |
This is NOT my doing |
| 09:42 |
OldCoder |
And I resent what has been said |
| 09:42 |
OldCoder |
I want what I will never receive |
| 09:42 |
OldCoder |
Acknowledgments to this effect |
| 09:42 |
OldCoder |
|
| 09:43 |
OldCoder |
He who is addressed or attacked |
| 09:43 |
OldCoder |
has a right of response |
| 09:43 |
OldCoder |
No person, dog, cat, President, or God |
| 09:43 |
OldCoder |
may say otherwise |
| 09:43 |
OldCoder |
|
| 09:43 |
OldCoder |
I might add that I am far more concerned right now |
| 09:43 |
OldCoder |
about my friend's feelings |
| 09:43 |
OldCoder |
than I am about those of anybody else here |
| 09:44 |
OldCoder |
He is the most helpful, most creative person in MT |
| 09:44 |
OldCoder |
And for shivajiva to simply paste that PM as a lark |
| 09:44 |
OldCoder |
was reprehensible |
| 09:44 |
OldCoder |
|
| 09:44 |
OldCoder |
Everybody here owes a debt to the man I am referring to |
| 09:44 |
OldCoder |
And if people try to hurt him further |
| 09:44 |
OldCoder |
They will regret it |
| 09:44 |
OldCoder |
|
| 09:45 |
celeron55 |
it's much more useful to talk to shivajiva then than to attack the entire channel, most of whom don't even know who shivajiva is |
| 09:45 |
OldCoder |
I DID talk to shivajiva |
| 09:45 |
OldCoder |
He pasted it here |
| 09:45 |
OldCoder |
So go talk to him |
| 09:45 |
OldCoder |
|
| 09:45 |
OldCoder |
And "attack the entire channel" ? |
| 09:45 |
OldCoder |
Explain yourself. Prove that you are sentient. |
| 09:45 |
OldCoder |
|
| 09:46 |
celeron55 |
that would mean he didn't want to hear anything from you; did he indicate so beforehand? |
| 09:46 |
OldCoder |
celeron55, the paste? He had no right. And no. He mocked me and never commented again. |
| 09:46 |
OldCoder |
He mocked me right after the dogpile |
| 09:46 |
OldCoder |
|
| 09:47 |
OldCoder |
Do not presume to use the words "attack the entire channel" |
| 09:47 |
OldCoder |
I had had enough 2 days ago |
| 09:47 |
OldCoder |
And more so in the last 24 hours |
| 09:47 |
OldCoder |
|
| 09:47 |
OldCoder |
I spent my life |
| 09:47 |
OldCoder |
being knocked unconscious |
| 09:47 |
OldCoder |
cut open with a knife |
| 09:47 |
OldCoder |
Surprised at the color of the blood |
| 09:47 |
OldCoder |
mocked, sued, chased, basically beaten out of existence |
| 09:48 |
OldCoder |
Because people didn't like the fact that I talked in a detailed manner |
| 09:48 |
OldCoder |
Ever get to listen to people |
| 09:48 |
OldCoder |
planning to rape you? |
| 09:48 |
OldCoder |
It's an interesting experience |
| 09:48 |
OldCoder |
|
| 09:48 |
celeron55 |
i'm sure many people feel threatened by you; i can tell because two people voluntarily /parted already |
| 09:48 |
OldCoder |
D: |
| 09:48 |
OldCoder |
Threatened? Bullsh*t |
| 09:48 |
OldCoder |
I am the one attacked |
| 09:48 |
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| 09:48 |
OldCoder |
I woke up 5 years ago |
| 09:48 |
OldCoder |
I will never shut up because people think I talk to much again |
| 09:49 |
OldCoder |
I will ALWAYS respond |
| 09:49 |
OldCoder |
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| 09:49 |
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| 09:49 |
OldCoder |
celeron55, I think we see where this is headed. I am neither impressed nor distressed. |
| 09:49 |
OldCoder |
Take the childish ones and go |
| 09:49 |
OldCoder |
|
| 09:50 |
OldCoder |
I am only saddened... |
| 09:50 |
OldCoder |
by the death of the project that I spent 5 years trying to save |
| 09:50 |
celeron55 |
it's not dead even if you wanted it to be |
| 09:50 |
celeron55 |
and i assume you don't |
| 09:50 |
OldCoder |
It is. And you have known this for 1.5 years. |
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| 10:21 |
kaeza |
greetings |
| 10:21 |
* VanessaE |
hands kaeza some popcorn |
| 10:21 |
* Amaz |
hands kaeza a bullet proof vest |
| 10:22 |
CWz |
salutations |
| 10:25 |
* CWz |
shuffles a deck of candy dominoes |
| 10:32 |
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| 10:41 |
sfan5 |
are we doing kindergarten now |
| 10:41 |
VanessaE |
apparently so. |
| 10:42 |
OldCoder |
ChanServ, flags #minetest-project sfan5 -V |
| 10:42 |
OldCoder |
sfan5, ad hominem is not encouraged |
| 10:42 |
sfan5 |
chill dude |
| 10:43 |
OldCoder |
I made a mistake last week |
| 10:43 |
sfan5 |
also i just got back from school i do not want to participate in any discussion whatsoever |
| 10:43 |
OldCoder |
I have apologized for it |
| 10:43 |
OldCoder |
Hm, you should have lost voice; I just devoiced you |
| 10:43 |
* OldCoder |
shrugs |
| 10:43 |
sfan5 |
(partly because i also have 4 more hours ahead of me) |
| 10:44 |
OldCoder |
ad hominem is kickban for this channel. But I tried to devoice you instead. Need to read up on it. |
| 10:44 |
* OldCoder |
shrugs |
| 10:44 |
OldCoder |
We do not call people agents of M$ - that happened while I was asleep |
| 10:44 |
OldCoder |
I resent being held responsible for that, BTW |
| 10:45 |
OldCoder |
We do not paste PMs unless they are innocuous |
| 10:45 |
OldCoder |
Certainly not PMs with major revelations |
| 10:45 |
OldCoder |
We do not call others, in public, *shole, childish, or immature |
| 10:45 |
OldCoder |
We will conduct ourselves as adults |
| 10:45 |
OldCoder |
Snide remarks related to that will call for kickban |
| 10:45 |
OldCoder |
|
| 10:46 |
OldCoder |
The word f*ck or sh*t in this venue is also now considered to be offlimits |
| 10:46 |
OldCoder |
|
| 10:46 |
* VanessaE |
gets some popcorn |
| 10:48 |
OldCoder |
Oh, and dogpiles are impolite and may have repercussions |
| 10:48 |
OldCoder |
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| 11:09 |
celeron55 |
OldCoder: can you list things that are in limits? because you kind of make the impression that it's best to just not use this channel anymore |
| 11:12 |
OldCoder |
celeron55, I just did. If you wish to insult people, as I just told you in PM, you certainly have the option of moving. It would take 30 seconds. Whoosh! Done. Seems odd to feel the need to embrace the nastiness of the past week. |
| 11:12 |
OldCoder |
If that nastiness is the spirit you wish to encourage, that defines the project, proceed as you feel is best |
| 11:12 |
OldCoder |
If maybe, just maybe |
| 11:12 |
celeron55 |
eg. personally i don't like to be broadly requested to act like an adult because i find no fun in life if i can't say silly things |
| 11:13 |
OldCoder |
Pasting PMs |
| 11:13 |
OldCoder |
that may cause a distress to somebody who matters |
| 11:13 |
OldCoder |
(not me, him) |
| 11:13 |
OldCoder |
is not fun and silly |
| 11:13 |
OldCoder |
Prolonging conflict |
| 11:13 |
OldCoder |
by telling a moderator he's "childish" to kickban for such PMs |
| 11:13 |
OldCoder |
is not fun and silly |
| 11:13 |
celeron55 |
i did not say i did not agree with what you said; i commented what kind of impression you made |
| 11:13 |
OldCoder |
Telling sfan5 he works for M$ |
| 11:14 |
OldCoder |
"Impression" is fog, Perttu |
| 11:14 |
OldCoder |
I said what I said |
| 11:14 |
OldCoder |
I am that I am |
| 11:14 |
OldCoder |
There is nothing |
| 11:14 |
OldCoder |
but what I said |
| 11:14 |
OldCoder |
There is no "impression" |
| 11:14 |
OldCoder |
"Impression" is something that animals do |
| 11:14 |
celeron55 |
people usually act on emotions even when reading rules |
| 11:14 |
OldCoder |
Words, facts, these are what matters |
| 11:15 |
OldCoder |
Yes, I am well aware of that |
| 11:15 |
OldCoder |
I have been aware of that since age 6 |
| 11:15 |
OldCoder |
See previous dramatic statements |
| 11:15 |
OldCoder |
I have seen my blood gushing onto the floor |
| 11:15 |
OldCoder |
as part of the lesson |
| 11:15 |
OldCoder |
I am not impressed |
| 11:15 |
OldCoder |
by the logic of the knife, the gun, the violent, the animals |
| 11:16 |
OldCoder |
Rules are not made to be broken |
| 11:16 |
OldCoder |
Those who wish to create conflict and extend it |
| 11:16 |
OldCoder |
are the ones that you ought to speak with |
| 11:16 |
OldCoder |
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| 11:16 |
* VanessaE |
hands a broken ruler to celeron55 |
| 11:16 |
OldCoder |
The metaphor is unclear, Vanessa |
| 11:17 |
OldCoder |
celeron55, you must decide. Rules, adult behavior, or the 5 to 6 days that we just experienced. |
| 11:17 |
* celeron55 |
wonders what this ruler is about |
| 11:17 |
* OldCoder |
imagines it is a strained joke |
| 11:18 |
OldCoder |
There is nothing wrong with responding to people. That needs to be clear. I think, rather, that the 0.9 vs. 1.1 parable that people have mocked... |
| 11:18 |
OldCoder |
ought to be law for more channels. |
| 11:18 |
OldCoder |
One responds. But one attempts to be reasonable and deescalate. |
| 11:18 |
OldCoder |
The rule is 0.9X as opposed to 1.1X. |
| 11:18 |
OldCoder |
|
| 11:19 |
OldCoder |
This rule was not exactly followed here. |
| 11:19 |
OldCoder |
The results were not what most would consider pleasant. |
| 11:19 |
OldCoder |
Ah |
| 11:19 |
celeron55 |
what is this 0.9 vs. 1.1 thing? |
| 11:20 |
OldCoder |
Moment, first, what VanessaE meant was... |
| 11:20 |
OldCoder |
Rules are not meant to be broken, but here is a ruler that is broken, ha ha |
| 11:20 |
OldCoder |
Huh |
| 11:20 |
OldCoder |
Not all that funny |
| 11:20 |
OldCoder |
celeron55, I attempted to deescalate several ways |
| 11:20 |
OldCoder |
One was the document you worked on with me |
| 11:20 |
OldCoder |
It took about 6 hours of my life |
| 11:21 |
OldCoder |
and sort of was useless |
| 11:21 |
OldCoder |
So I tried a parable |
| 11:21 |
OldCoder |
A practical one |
| 11:21 |
kaeza |
banning and devoicing people doesn't look like de-escalation to me |
| 11:21 |
OldCoder |
If somebody says something and somebody responds just 10% more strongly |
| 11:21 |
OldCoder |
kaeza, nice try |
| 11:21 |
kaeza |
thx |
| 11:21 |
OldCoder |
If you wish my respect, don't interrupt my answer to celeron55 |
| 11:21 |
OldCoder |
and actually it was totally illogical and impolite |
| 11:21 |
OldCoder |
celeron55, to respond |
| 11:22 |
OldCoder |
If somebody says something and somebody responds just 10% more strongly |
| 11:22 |
OldCoder |
and the 1st person responds 10% more strongly to that |
| 11:22 |
OldCoder |
10% is a very slight increase |
| 11:22 |
OldCoder |
But you get a series |
| 11:22 |
OldCoder |
1.1 times 1.1 times 1.1 ... |
| 11:22 |
OldCoder |
that goes to the sky |
| 11:22 |
OldCoder |
If on the other hand |
| 11:23 |
OldCoder |
somebody says something and somebody responds just 10% more mildly |
| 11:23 |
OldCoder |
and the 1st person responds 10% more mildly to that |
| 11:23 |
OldCoder |
10% is a very slight decrease |
| 11:23 |
OldCoder |
But you get a series |
| 11:23 |
OldCoder |
0.9 times 0.9 times 0.9 ... |
| 11:23 |
OldCoder |
that fades away |
| 11:23 |
OldCoder |
Only a tiny % change |
| 11:23 |
OldCoder |
But the direction makes a huge difference |
| 11:24 |
OldCoder |
I thought |
| 11:24 |
OldCoder |
I was foolish enough to think |
| 11:24 |
OldCoder |
this would help |
| 11:24 |
OldCoder |
Naturally I was mocked for attempting it |
| 11:24 |
OldCoder |
5 days of stress and mockery |
| 11:24 |
OldCoder |
followed by a dogpile |
| 11:24 |
OldCoder |
kaeza, you are way out of line |
| 11:24 |
OldCoder |
|
| 11:24 |
OldCoder |
shiva* pasted a PM |
| 11:24 |
kaeza |
hm? |
| 11:24 |
OldCoder |
that was not only offtopic |
| 11:25 |
OldCoder |
Oh, you didn't bother |
| 11:25 |
OldCoder |
to understand |
| 11:25 |
OldCoder |
what you were talking about |
| 11:25 |
OldCoder |
before you jumped in |
| 11:25 |
OldCoder |
did you, kaeza? |
| 11:25 |
OldCoder |
It is not mockery to say, maybe it was foolish |
| 11:25 |
OldCoder |
|
| 11:25 |
OldCoder |
shiva* pasted a PM |
| 11:25 |
OldCoder |
that was not simply offtopic |
| 11:25 |
OldCoder |
But potentially distressing to a valued contributor |
| 11:25 |
OldCoder |
The one whose name I'm not supposed to say |
| 11:25 |
OldCoder |
Because it will distress VanessaE |
| 11:25 |
OldCoder |
|
| 11:26 |
VanessaE |
say whatever you want |
| 11:26 |
OldCoder |
I did not kickban him... |
| 11:26 |
VanessaE |
won't distress me any. |
| 11:26 |
OldCoder |
I tried to talk to him |
| 11:26 |
OldCoder |
Fine, Vanessa |
| 11:26 |
OldCoder |
And he responded with an insult |
| 11:26 |
OldCoder |
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| 11:26 |
OldCoder |
Care to press your point, kaeza ? Or maybe need to consider it further? |
| 11:26 |
OldCoder |
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| 11:29 |
VanessaE |
you want to talk of [de]escalation, a line I like to make a joke of actually fits here... in a scene from "Bobby Jones: Stroke of Genius", some guy wants to press charges against someone else for telling him off. goes to see Jones, who at that point in his life had a law career underway. complains. |
| 11:29 |
VanessaE |
the exchange ends with, (guy) "But, he told me to go to hell!" (Jones) "Well, I checked the law on that and...you don't have to go." |
| 11:29 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, sorry, that's a bit complex |
| 11:29 |
OldCoder |
and irrelevant |
| 11:29 |
VanessaE |
re-read. |
| 11:29 |
kaeza |
while shiva's paste may have been out of place, my first impression is that you over-reacted |
| 11:29 |
OldCoder |
R |
| 11:29 |
OldCoder |
kaeza, moment |
| 11:30 |
OldCoder |
kaeza, read the actual exchange, please |
| 11:30 |
OldCoder |
The words that were said |
| 11:30 |
kaeza |
I did? |
| 11:30 |
VanessaE |
(whether that exchange between Jones and the other guy actually took place, I don't know, but the sentiment still fits this argument) |
| 11:30 |
OldCoder |
Because I honestly don't give a flying duck (quack) about your "impressions" |
| 11:30 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, I am reading it again |
| 11:31 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, the PM was more than out of line, it may hurt somebody you cared about and who I believed cared about you from the start |
| 11:31 |
OldCoder |
This channel is not for that sort of thing |
| 11:31 |
OldCoder |
|
| 11:32 |
OldCoder |
I think he may have loved you |
| 11:32 |
VanessaE |
wat |
| 11:32 |
OldCoder |
wat yourself |
| 11:32 |
celeron55 |
OldCoder is assuming anyone cares at all about anything said about the subjects mentioned in said PM, or would use them against someone, which is probably a wrong assumption |
| 11:32 |
kaeza |
I just see an exchange in your usual philosophical way (which I did not take as offensive in any way), followed by a remark about offensiveness, his(?) remark on your long-winded talk, followed by a kick(ban?) |
| 11:32 |
OldCoder |
Both of you, allow me a moment to process |
| 11:32 |
OldCoder |
celeron55, I'm sorry, that's too convoluted, and you've overlooked the key point |
| 11:33 |
OldCoder |
The subject of the PM will care |
| 11:33 |
OldCoder |
And his feelings matter |
| 11:33 |
OldCoder |
kaeza, moment |
| 11:33 |
OldCoder |
kaeza, and? your point? But I really am not interested in your response, though I mean that as politely as possible. I'm too tired to hook up the machine now and I'm supposed to do that. |
| 11:34 |
OldCoder |
So, thanks folks, for pulling me into all of this for yet another day |
| 11:34 |
OldCoder |
|
| 11:34 |
OldCoder |
Today is day #6 I think |
| 11:34 |
OldCoder |
I did get a new world launched; CloneCraft |
| 11:34 |
OldCoder |
Might be fun |
| 11:34 |
OldCoder |
The Enderman spawn rate is too high, though |
| 11:34 |
OldCoder |
|
| 11:35 |
OldCoder |
Nobody else wishes to be snide or hurtful or arrogant? Surely there is more that can be said |
| 11:35 |
celeron55 |
you're not going to get any praise from anyone for putting your life second and minetest first; it's stupid |
| 11:36 |
OldCoder |
Not the point, is it? |
| 11:36 |
OldCoder |
Does that decision justify the hurtfulness and the arrogance? |
| 11:36 |
OldCoder |
The unwillingness to, dare I say the word, deescalate, chill, step back and think? |
| 11:36 |
OldCoder |
|
| 11:37 |
* OldCoder |
wishes he'd thought of putting it this way at age 6. There are advantages to getting old. |
| 11:37 |
OldCoder |
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| 11:37 |
celeron55 |
i'm referring to your latest lines here |
| 11:37 |
OldCoder |
I know what you're referring to or believe I do. My willingness to accommodate all of this until this hour is hardly a justification for negative remarks. |
| 11:38 |
OldCoder |
Sarcasm, snideness, foolish pride -- not speaking directly to any one person -- these qualities are unattractive |
| 11:39 |
OldCoder |
The most important thing one can do to live a balanced life -- something I've only started to learn in recent years myself -- is to examine one's assumptions |
| 11:39 |
OldCoder |
Do that, and there is hope. Do not, and one is an animal. |
| 11:39 |
OldCoder |
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| 11:44 |
OldCoder |
kaeza, thank you, not really, for the reference to "long winded". The knife wound I mentioned, the other injuries, 50 years of Hell, were related to something that I was born with. Until you can step back and understood what you are doing when you say such things, you cannot claim to be humane or human in the positive sense of the word. |
| 11:44 |
OldCoder |
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| 11:45 |
OldCoder |
I stand by the wording of every sentence that I've typed while in a calm state. When I'm not calm it is a tree. You would not understand. Take 20 people at your level and you are bees buzzing around in my skull. |
| 11:45 |
OldCoder |
When I talk, it is more condensed than you are able to understand. |
| 11:45 |
OldCoder |
This is me. This is how I talk. I make no apologies. If you wish to beat up a black child for being black, you may be well-suited. |
| 11:45 |
OldCoder |
|
| 11:46 |
kaeza |
what |
| 11:46 |
OldCoder |
Enough, thank you, not really. Time to try to hook up the machine. |
| 11:46 |
OldCoder |
o/ |
| 11:46 |
OldCoder |
The Sun will be coming up soon :D |
| 11:47 |
OldCoder |
Here comes the sun |
| 11:47 |
OldCoder |
Here comes the sun, and I say |
| 11:47 |
OldCoder |
It's all right |
| 11:47 |
OldCoder |
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meow |
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benrob0329 |
Hello |
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* Jordach |
solves the bed mesh issue for good |
| 13:42 |
Jordach |
http://i.imgur.com/A1efilx.png |
| 13:42 |
Jordach |
took VE's bevel idea into 1/16th pixels |
| 13:43 |
Jordach |
it wins the award for annoying to texture |
| 13:44 |
NathanS21 |
that looks nice |
| 13:44 |
Jordach |
it has a few bonuses |
| 13:44 |
Jordach |
if my subgame is installed, it accesses the framework used to skin players |
| 13:45 |
Jordach |
this things source is cleaner than the one for Minetest Game |
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Jordach |
so_far (not highlighting you on purpose) has given me tips on optimising it further |
| 13:46 |
Jordach |
NathanS21, the best part is any node with beds.sleep(pos, player, height offset, "bed:inactive" "bed:active"), |
| 13:47 |
Jordach |
works immediately as a bed |
| 13:47 |
NathanS21 |
interesting |
| 13:47 |
RobbieF |
looks nice! |
| 13:47 |
Jordach |
RobbieF, note the custom sleeping animation |
| 13:48 |
Jordach |
it is tailored to that mesh, but handing out a template bed mesh shouldn't be hard |
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RobbieF |
wonderful |
| 13:49 |
Jordach |
>Trigger Warning: This petition contains content about violence against women |
| 13:49 |
Jordach |
lmao |
| 13:50 |
Jordach |
welcome to reality |
| 13:54 |
Jordach |
RobbieF, these beds have an upgraded formspec too: they allow using the chat |
| 13:55 |
Jordach |
Shara, http://i.imgur.com/A1efilx.png |
| 13:56 |
RobbieF |
what do you mean, using the chat? |
| 13:56 |
Jordach |
eg being able to chat while others aren't sleeping |
| 14:01 |
RobbieF |
I didn't realize you couldn't already |
| 14:01 |
RobbieF |
beds are generally just used for decor on our servers, so guess I just didn't know :D |
| 14:01 |
RobbieF |
but these ones look great, so let me know if they're available :D |
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Jordach |
Calinou, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG6oBC0Ym5c |
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Jordach |
http://i.imgur.com/5TMDkjg.png |
| 15:02 |
Jordach |
it does return the formspec when you hit ender |
| 15:02 |
Jordach |
enter |
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red-002 |
so this channel is still a warzone? |
| 15:45 |
* Jordach |
shrugs |
| 15:47 |
nerzhul |
red-002: sorry i lost my weapon |
| 15:49 |
red-002 |
so maybe someone could tell me if minebest is going to be developed further or is it just a modifed snapshot of the current version of minetest? |
| 15:52 |
* benrob0329 |
shrugs |
| 15:53 |
benrob0329 |
Youd have to ask OldCoder |
| 15:53 |
red-002 |
I tried |
| 15:53 |
benrob0329 |
As did I |
| 15:54 |
red-002 |
I assume I'm banned form his channel as a result |
| 15:54 |
benrob0329 |
I dont see why you would be |
| 15:55 |
nerzhul |
red-002: it's just another fork which will survive an incertain amount of time |
| 15:56 |
benrob0329 |
Voxelands is still around you know |
| 15:56 |
Jordach |
red-002, does place_node work like add_node or set node |
| 15:56 |
nerzhul |
benrob0329: voxelands has a real justification, no lua, full cpp :p |
| 15:56 |
red-002 |
Jordach, I don't know |
| 15:57 |
kaeza |
voxelands is another beast altogether |
| 15:57 |
kaeza |
based off the 0.3.x codebase |
| 15:59 |
kaeza |
it was kinda meh last time I played :P |
| 16:00 |
red-002 |
Mar 27 22:53:04 <OldCoder>You were impolite, you know, with no reason at all. Good bye and don't come back. |
| 16:00 |
red-002 |
I say thats a pretty |
| 16:01 |
red-002 |
clear indiction that I'm not welcome there |
| 16:01 |
nerzhul |
red-002: you weren't banned |
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| 16:09 |
Fixer |
voxelands also had that z-buffer depth error, i even pasted a link for devs with a fix, hope they used it |
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| 16:16 |
twoelk |
what happened to the logs? |
| 16:17 |
* twoelk |
was offline for a few days |
| 16:17 |
red-002 |
OldCoder, wiped them |
| 16:17 |
twoelk |
argh! |
| 16:17 |
twoelk |
I knew I should have saved days of interest to me :-( |
| 16:18 |
red-002 |
I assume it's something to do with his "fork" |
| 16:18 |
twoelk |
did something happen to annoy him? what drama did I miss? |
| 16:19 |
red-002 |
sneak and apprently people insulting him |
| 16:19 |
twoelk |
pfff |
| 16:35 |
kaeza |
<kaeza> the moderated flag should really go IMHO. there is no reason for it in there |
| 16:35 |
kaeza |
<kaeza> problem users can just be muted/kicked/whatever like everywhere else |
| 16:35 |
kaeza |
<kaeza> requiring somebody to voice users is silly |
| 16:50 |
benrob0329 |
One woukd think that Ctrl + Arrow Keys would move cells in a spreadsheet program right? |
| 16:50 |
benrob0329 |
But accordong to Microsoft, its actually select |
| 16:50 |
benrob0329 |
Because logically, why woukd you ever need to move cells? |
| 16:51 |
benrob0329 |
Its not like people make lists or anything in spreadsheet programs... |
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| 16:53 |
kaeza |
ctrl+arrows moves between paragraphs in most text editors, so I would assume it moves to some point like the next empty cell or something |
| 16:53 |
kaeza |
between paragraphs vertically, or words horizontally |
| 16:54 |
benrob0329 |
Ok, then alt arrow keys could be used |
| 16:54 |
benrob0329 |
(But just arrow keys moves between cells so ctrl really has no meaning) |
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| 17:29 |
VanessaE |
good afternoon. |
| 17:29 |
Amaz |
twoelk & all: OC provided me with a zip of the logs: http://minetest.org/ircproject/mtprojectirc.zip |
| 17:30 |
Amaz |
It's missing a bit between 24th and 26th (when loggingbot_ began logging), but apart from that, it's complete :) |
| 17:30 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Good afternoon V |
| 17:31 |
VanessaE |
hi |
| 17:33 |
VanessaE |
he's no longer four elks, just two. :) |
| 17:34 |
twoelk |
;-) |
| 17:34 |
thefamilygrog666 |
*evil* |
| 17:34 |
twoelk |
seems my regular 18:00 disconnect moved to 19:00 |
| 17:34 |
red-004 |
time change? |
| 17:36 |
twoelk |
soitseems |
| 17:36 |
Shara |
Well, what interesting reading the logs today made. |
| 17:37 |
Jordach |
Shara, :D |
| 17:37 |
Shara |
You know, I always liked the 'idea' of this channel. |
| 17:37 |
Shara |
It was the only reason I ever stopped hiding away in my own tiny corner of MT to mix with other people. |
| 17:38 |
Shara |
A place all kinds of contributors could meet and talk... |
| 17:38 |
* Shara |
sighs |
| 17:38 |
VanessaE |
it still will be. |
| 17:39 |
twoelk |
It does miss some kitten piles though |
| 17:39 |
VanessaE |
I expect that there'll be a "shift in management" sooner or later. |
| 17:39 |
VanessaE |
twoelk: hah, we haven't done that in years |
| 17:39 |
Shara |
This channel needs one. |
| 17:39 |
* VanessaE |
puts a kitten on Jordach's head |
| 17:40 |
Jordach |
do i have to |
| 17:40 |
Amaz |
If this channel was run by kittens, everything would be fine :D |
| 17:40 |
Shara |
Mew |
| 17:40 |
Amaz |
Apart from a *slight* increase in the number of dead mice found here, maybe ;) |
| 17:40 |
Shara |
Depends on the kittens, mewbe. |
| 17:40 |
Jordach |
^ mew |
| 17:41 |
Amaz |
I suppose so :) |
| 17:41 |
* twoelk |
has played with kittens over the weekend - nope a kitten as moderator is no good idea |
| 17:41 |
* Jordach |
has almost completed the beds rewrite |
| 17:42 |
garywhite |
Eh, which would you rather have, kittens or Trump? |
| 17:42 |
twoelk |
writing in bed? |
| 17:42 |
twoelk |
kittens ftw |
| 17:42 |
Jordach |
garywhite, both |
| 17:42 |
Jordach |
the US economy is doing it's best in 30 years |
| 17:42 |
Amaz |
Conspiracy Theory: Trump is a kitten :D |
| 17:42 |
garywhite |
ik, but the man needs to keep his mouth shut sometimes |
| 17:43 |
Jordach |
garywhite, a person is entitled to their opinion |
| 17:43 |
twoelk |
although Trump is teaching a whole nation about <checks and balance> |
| 17:43 |
Jordach |
regardless and status |
| 17:43 |
Jordach |
s/and/of/ |
| 17:43 |
garywhite |
ik |
| 17:43 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: not really that great, and anyway no president can be held (or claim) responsible for the economy |
| 17:43 |
garywhite |
although it is ironic that it shot up after he was elected |
| 17:43 |
Jordach |
if you have confidence then it's all good |
| 17:44 |
VanessaE |
inflation and the stock market did, maybe. |
| 17:44 |
twoelk |
it'll drop once he can't keep his promises |
| 17:44 |
VanessaE |
but that's not "the economy" |
| 17:44 |
Amaz |
Oh great, we're not going to get into a discussion about politics after everything else that's gone on today...! :P |
| 17:44 |
VanessaE |
"the economy" is the prices at the local grocery store, and how much I pay in rent. |
| 17:44 |
thefamilygrog66 |
What did I miss earlier? |
| 17:44 |
VanessaE |
thefamilygrog66: a lot |
| 17:44 |
Amaz |
thefamilygrog66: Quite a lot :P |
| 17:45 |
twoelk |
some drama sneaked in? |
| 17:45 |
VanessaE |
better to read the logs |
| 17:45 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I'm on it... |
| 17:45 |
Amaz |
http://irc.minetest.net/minetest-project/2017-03-28 |
| 17:45 |
Jordach |
i'd rather not have a second clinton in office |
| 17:45 |
VanessaE |
whoever runs loggingbot should backport those ^^^ |
| 17:45 |
garywhite |
Yeah, unfortunately I live in one of the few states that will defy everything the president says just cause some people don't like him |
| 17:46 |
VanessaE |
garywhite: considering his track record over the past 2 months, that's not a bad idea. |
| 17:47 |
garywhite |
Well, for example, take the immigration issue. Our nation has had laws for decades about illegal immigration |
| 17:47 |
twoelk |
I wonder what trump might achieve once he has learned how the system works |
| 17:47 |
garywhite |
& don't get me wrong, I'm all for immigration, but when we have millions of people coming in illegally, that stretches the resources even thinner than before |
| 17:48 |
twoelk |
old <the boat is full> argument |
| 17:48 |
VanessaE |
perhaps, but the guy's having people deported that "merely" came over illegally, as opposed to people who are, for example, acting illegally once here. |
| 17:48 |
Fixer |
immigrants influence wages too |
| 17:48 |
Fixer |
kinda |
| 17:48 |
VanessaE |
you wanna solve the illegal immigration problem? |
| 17:48 |
Fixer |
it is complicated |
| 17:48 |
Fixer |
nevermind |
| 17:48 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, how many IT jobs have been lost to the cheap H1-B |
| 17:48 |
Jordach |
;) |
| 17:48 |
VanessaE |
start prosecuting every last company that employs them |
| 17:49 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: the same is true for H1-B's. |
| 17:49 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, it's a good thing you didn't get bernie sanders |
| 17:49 |
Jordach |
he's a dirt communist |
| 17:49 |
VanessaE |
prosecute the ever-loving shit out of every company that employs someone that doesn't legally belong here. |
| 17:49 |
sfan5 |
I am wondering how did the discussion change from kittens to politics to immigrants |
| 17:49 |
VanessaE |
actually I wish we had. |
| 17:49 |
Fixer |
lol |
| 17:49 |
Jordach |
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 17:49 |
garywhite |
I think that at least any illegal immigrants who commit a felony should be deported. Those who are here already should be given, say, 6 months to get their papers in order, or they get deported |
| 17:50 |
VanessaE |
garywhite: 2 years I think is the minimum to become legal, isn't it? |
| 17:50 |
Fixer |
"were Adam and Eve black transgender refugees?" |
| 17:50 |
red-004 |
lol hexchat is droping one of the hands of the shrug ascii art |
| 17:50 |
sfan5 |
Fixer: the answer is 70% yes if you ask that question at the right universities |
| 17:50 |
red-004 |
¯\_(ツ) |
| 17:51 |
garywhite |
idk, but most of these people have been here for 2 years or more. I mean, for pete's sake, my grandmother said she has been hearing ads going in Spanish at the mall out here |
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| 17:51 |
VanessaE |
garywhite: my point is, if you're going to set a deadline, it needs to be long enough to exceed whatever the original limit was, THEN you can start deporting. |
| 17:51 |
Fixer |
it is just... some people in US still think it white race christian blabla, while it is not anymore |
| 17:52 |
Jordach |
Fixer, Kalgeri Plan |
| 17:52 |
twoelk |
we have announcements in large depertement stores in swedish in the summer on the german baltic coast |
| 17:52 |
VanessaE |
Fixer: G*d forbid that should ever come to pass./ |
| 17:53 |
twoelk |
crime shouldn't be deported, it should be jailed - on the spot |
| 17:53 |
Fixer |
i mean white supremacism (if i wrote it correctly) |
| 17:53 |
VanessaE |
Fixer: that's actually a different issue |
| 17:53 |
VanessaE |
we have both problems here |
| 17:53 |
Fixer |
maybe, yes |
| 17:53 |
VanessaE |
there's a lot of overlap between the two, though |
| 17:54 |
garywhite |
don't blame me. I didn't vote (well, couldn't, I still got a few years for that) |
| 17:54 |
VanessaE |
s/didn't/couldn't/ then |
| 17:55 |
* twoelk |
smuggles in some black and some yellow and some mongrel kittens |
| 17:55 |
VanessaE |
if you can vote and you don't...well... I heavily favor the idea of fines and perhaps even jail time for people who refuse to vote. |
| 17:55 |
garywhite |
I was doing a joke from that old Simpsons where Homer goes "Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos" |
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| 17:56 |
Amaz |
Hello Krock :) |
| 17:56 |
Krock |
hello Amaz |
| 17:56 |
Amaz |
Still no 11 for you to compete with :( |
| 17:56 |
Krock |
sadly, yes. I wonder what happened to him. nothing, I hope. |
| 17:56 |
* twoelk |
smuggles in an illegal kitten of the waving paw kind |
| 17:57 |
Amaz |
He was here this morning, but I think he was scared off :/ http://irc.minetest.net/minetest-project/2017-03-28#i_4841907 |
| 17:57 |
VanessaE |
Krock: signed off yesterday in the middle of the argument |
| 17:57 |
Krock |
!tell rubenwardy FYI: the subgame name base_game is available now. Renamed my old piece of code to minibase_game, in case people out there would like to duplicate MTG and delete all mods |
| 17:57 |
ShadowBot |
Krock: O.K. |
| 17:58 |
Krock |
VanessaE, what? me? |
| 17:58 |
VanessaE |
Krock: tenplus1 |
| 17:58 |
Krock |
too bad :( |
| 17:58 |
garywhite |
He's still connected to IRC though |
| 17:58 |
* Shara |
would love to see a proper base_game |
| 17:58 |
VanessaE |
Shara: we tried that before. |
| 17:59 |
VanessaE |
epic fail, as the old meme goes |
| 17:59 |
Shara |
Fail based on what? |
| 17:59 |
Shara |
Problem I saw seemed to be that no one could agree on what a base_game should be |
| 17:59 |
Krock |
&whois shivajiva |
| 17:59 |
Krock |
err |
| 17:59 |
* Shara |
pokes Krock |
| 17:59 |
Krock |
^^ |
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| 18:01 |
VanessaE |
Shara: it just didn't work out at all well, because too many cross-requirements between the survival, creative, and base. |
| 18:02 |
Shara |
Hmmm |
| 18:02 |
VanessaE |
minetest_game works just fine as a base |
| 18:02 |
Shara |
VanessaE: Personally I'm tired of it as a base, and think it should instead become a full game |
| 18:02 |
VanessaE |
the problem isn't what the base is, the problem is subgame authors keeping it up-to-date with changes they make |
| 18:03 |
VanessaE |
particularly if the changes they want to make are to the "base" game |
| 18:03 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Sounds like I missed a forking drama earlier, anyway. |
| 18:03 |
VanessaE |
e.g. little things like changing default colors, or let's say they want to override the default crafting grid size. |
| 18:03 |
VanessaE |
those things tend to conflict with 'default' in ways that eventually result in merge conflicts |
| 18:03 |
VanessaE |
this is why I stopped packaging dreambuilder as a subgame and went back to it being a modpack. |
| 18:03 |
Shara |
But it's not too important. At some point I'll start my own base game for my own use, and since it will just be for use on any servers I run, it won't matter too much what others think of it. |
| 18:04 |
VanessaE |
thefamilygrog66: you missed a big knock-down, drag-out fight, and as for any fork, well...it'll die out the same as all the others did. |
| 18:05 |
Shara |
There's much better answers to the sneak issue than a fork. |
| 18:05 |
Shara |
But... |
| 18:05 |
* Shara |
sighs again |
| 18:05 |
thefamilygrog66 |
What's this "sneak issue", Shara? |
| 18:05 |
twoelk |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9647 someone's been there and done that |
| 18:06 |
Shara |
thefamilygrog66: Popcorn and read logs. |
| 18:06 |
Amaz |
Lots of popcorn :) |
| 18:06 |
red-004 |
your right to not vote is almost as important as your right to vote |
| 18:06 |
twoelk |
sneak in, sneak out drama |
| 18:06 |
Shara |
twoelk: Point is, I do my own, then it has just what I want and no fuss or drama or fighting involved with anyone :) |
| 18:07 |
twoelk |
ah the definition of fork |
| 18:07 |
Shara |
It's easy enough to delete some mods, insert some others, chop up a few more and.. there is the base game I want. |
| 18:07 |
twoelk |
check Krocks version in the link |
| 18:07 |
red-004 |
thefamilygrog66, the decs broke the sneak ladder and other well liked "bugs" |
| 18:07 |
red-004 |
devs* |
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| 18:08 |
Krock |
twoelk, that's actually how this base game dicussion came up :P |
| 18:08 |
Shara |
twoelk: probably will at some point. but I kind of like the idea of making my own version |
| 18:08 |
red-004 |
the changed was merged without that much disscussion which seems to be a major issue for some people |
| 18:09 |
red-004 |
sneak ladders got re-added iirc but that caused new bugs and I heard that the bug all this was meant to fix is still possible |
| 18:09 |
twoelk |
anyways <ownversion> is most rewarding fun, once it works out |
| 18:09 |
Shara |
There's a lot of things in current MTG I like, but also a lot I don't care for very much. |
| 18:10 |
Shara |
So I'd just adjust current most likely until it's what I want |
| 18:10 |
Krock |
old bug -> fix -> new bug -> another bug -> bug #3 -> feature |
| 18:10 |
Shara |
:) |
| 18:11 |
red-004 |
really we might have been better off just leaving the bug as it is |
| 18:11 |
* twoelk |
is trying to update the core of his subgames at the moment and desperately trying to automate things |
| 18:12 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Dang it, sneak ladders were a feature, not a bug. |
| 18:12 |
Shara |
thefamilygrog66: Careful you don't cause erruptions :) |
| 18:13 |
* red-004 |
hides in a trench |
| 18:13 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I'm speaking as a player of the game, and it was one of the cooler things possible in MT that couldn't be done in MC. |
| 18:13 |
* sofar |
restrains himself |
| 18:13 |
red-004 |
lol |
| 18:13 |
sofar |
ITS A FUCKING FREE GAME |
| 18:13 |
sofar |
OPEN SOURCE |
| 18:13 |
VanessaE |
well they've been fixed so meh |
| 18:13 |
sofar |
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK |
| 18:13 |
VanessaE |
careful sofar |
| 18:14 |
VanessaE |
you will get kick-banned for that. |
| 18:14 |
* twoelk |
offers some purring kittens |
| 18:14 |
Fixer |
JOIN INTO DEV TEAM @ BUT DON"T TOUCH THAT SNEAK FIXES @ FIX EVERYTHING ELSE THOUGH |
| 18:14 |
VanessaE |
*childish gasp* mommy he said the f-word! |
| 18:14 |
sofar |
perspective is entirely lost to some |
| 18:14 |
sofar |
either we work together on making it easy to disable these bugs |
| 18:14 |
sofar |
because it better be optional |
| 18:14 |
* Shara |
hides |
| 18:14 |
twoelk |
wanna stroke a kitten? |
| 18:15 |
* red-004 |
stays in the trench |
| 18:15 |
sofar |
and we better make it so that server operators can disable sneak ladders and all the bugs people call features |
| 18:15 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Who decided it was a "bug" in the first place? Seriously. |
| 18:15 |
sfan5 |
i did |
| 18:15 |
sofar |
or many things won't be possible |
| 18:15 |
Fixer |
twoelk: choke a kitten? |
| 18:15 |
* Shara |
takes all the kittens with her |
| 18:15 |
VanessaE |
thefamilygrog66: it always was a bug, to be fair |
| 18:15 |
VanessaE |
it just happened to be a rather well-loved bug :P |
| 18:15 |
twoelk |
can we amplify the purring sound? |
| 18:15 |
sofar |
sneak bugs make it really hard to do things like restricting players in minigames to areas |
| 18:15 |
thefamilygrog66 |
To players, yes, VanessaE |
| 18:15 |
twoelk |
or have some tribbles? |
| 18:16 |
Fixer |
well if minetest was Climbing Simulator 2011 I would agree about feature |
| 18:16 |
Fixer |
with ropes and stuff |
| 18:16 |
sofar |
forget creative builds, they're just one use of the engine |
| 18:16 |
* twoelk |
throws some tribbles into the arena |
| 18:17 |
sofar |
sneakjump/double jump needs to be OPTIONAL |
| 18:17 |
sofar |
period |
| 18:17 |
Fixer |
yes |
| 18:17 |
Fixer |
agree |
| 18:17 |
Shara |
Optional would be nice. |
| 18:17 |
sofar |
all those exploits need to be capable of being disabled |
| 18:17 |
sofar |
they're exploits, period |
| 18:17 |
Shara |
But so far no dev found a new way to fully provide those features as an option. |
| 18:17 |
Shara |
Unless I missed soemthing today |
| 18:17 |
Shara |
And old code as an option has been outright refused. |
| 18:17 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I guess my point is that maybe polling the folks who play the game regularly before removing unique "features" might be good practice. |
| 18:18 |
sofar |
well sfan5 and others have been diligent on coding |
| 18:18 |
twoelk |
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/50/ST_TroubleWithTribbles.jpg |
| 18:18 |
sofar |
so let them code |
| 18:18 |
Shara |
I know at least three devs have made some attempts. |
| 18:18 |
sofar |
encourage them instead of pounding |
| 18:18 |
sofar |
they're doing the actual work |
| 18:18 |
Shara |
sofar: I've not pounded |
| 18:18 |
sofar |
they're reasonable people |
| 18:19 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Especially features that distinguish it from that other mining game... |
| 18:19 |
sfan5 |
twoelk: i remember that episode |
| 18:19 |
Shara |
I have spoken to and thanked them and encouraged them where I can |
| 18:19 |
sofar |
Shara: ack, not talking about you here :) |
| 18:19 |
sfan5 |
(from reruns not the original air obviously) |
| 18:19 |
Shara |
sofar: Okay, thank you |
| 18:19 |
sofar |
development is rough, things will break |
| 18:19 |
VanessaE |
everyone here knows I'm grateful for the devs' efforts |
| 18:19 |
Shara |
I've been trying to encourage many of those who are upset to wait. |
| 18:19 |
sofar |
gawd knows sfan5's patience has been enormous |
| 18:20 |
Jordach |
sofar, meow |
| 18:20 |
Amaz |
The devs are all doing a great job :) |
| 18:20 |
Amaz |
There seems to be a new pull related to sneak almost every day atm, which is awesome :) |
| 18:20 |
sofar |
I also revolt against the idea that every commit needs to be perfect |
| 18:20 |
sofar |
that |
| 18:20 |
sofar |
will |
| 18:20 |
sofar |
never |
| 18:20 |
sofar |
happen |
| 18:21 |
sofar |
sometimes there's some fall out |
| 18:21 |
sofar |
sometimes a lot |
| 18:21 |
Jordach |
sofar, almost there with the beds upgrade |
| 18:21 |
Shara |
sofar: of course it won't. I don't even manage to produce stand-alone mods which are perfect on first attempt. |
| 18:21 |
Fixer |
sofar: +1 |
| 18:21 |
Jordach |
i get pretty close with the perfection; according to sofar about my first attempt with my own beds |
| 18:21 |
Jordach |
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 18:21 |
sofar |
lol |
| 18:21 |
* red-004 |
starts to hate hexchat |
| 18:21 |
Fixer |
read this article, it can add some insights about other ways of development: https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/03/23/making-dungeon-crawl-stone-soup-with-253-cooks-and-no-head-chef/ |
| 18:22 |
Fixer |
also minetest_game 0.4.15-dev is not even close to Minecraft Alpha |
| 18:22 |
Fixer |
it is better in some ways |
| 18:22 |
Fixer |
but still purely a sandbox |
| 18:23 |
sofar |
mtg is a disaster |
| 18:23 |
sofar |
the proposed split is all wrong |
| 18:23 |
VanessaE |
split? |
| 18:23 |
red-004 |
split? |
| 18:23 |
Amaz |
minebest |
| 18:23 |
sofar |
split issue thread |
| 18:23 |
Amaz |
I would guess |
| 18:23 |
sofar |
no, not minebest |
| 18:23 |
VanessaE |
oh that shit |
| 18:23 |
VanessaE |
wait, what then? |
| 18:23 |
Amaz |
Oh, sorry :) |
| 18:23 |
Jordach |
WTS Solar plains Popcorn $0 |
| 18:23 |
* Shara |
feels lost as well |
| 18:23 |
sfan5 |
Jordach: can i pay with €? |
| 18:23 |
Jordach |
yes |
| 18:24 |
VanessaE |
sofar: please don't tell me it's going to be a rehash of that common+survival+creative thing.... |
| 18:24 |
Fixer |
tbf minetest_game had a lot of progress since some time |
| 18:24 |
sofar |
Fixer: no, it had more features, but it's still lackluster |
| 18:24 |
Fixer |
just before i was thinking we will have "game" when there will be Minecraft ReReReMake in year 2127 |
| 18:24 |
Shara |
MTG is some weird place between a base game ot build on, and a real game |
| 18:24 |
Shara |
to* |
| 18:24 |
Amaz |
Minetest Game has come a long way in the last year. It's still rubbish, but it's much less rubbish than it was :P |
| 18:25 |
Shara |
And in my opinion, end result isn't too suitable for either |
| 18:25 |
Jordach |
and meanwhile i've been getting shit done by myself |
| 18:25 |
Fixer |
also, try finding vanilla minetest server %) |
| 18:25 |
Shara |
I'd like to see it become suitable though |
| 18:25 |
VanessaE |
Shara: players on my servers would disagree. |
| 18:25 |
VanessaE |
Fixer: does vanilla MT-Nostalgia count? :) |
| 18:25 |
Shara |
VanessaE: Like I said, in my opinion |
| 18:25 |
twoelk |
sofar, just remembered I wanted to respond to your geological excourse in the 1millionyearsago thread but trashed my essay because it became irrelevant |
| 18:26 |
Fixer |
VanessaE: it has some blocks i don't remember in 0.2, like mud |
| 18:26 |
* twoelk |
got lots of stones and fossils in his cellar |
| 18:26 |
Shara |
I do like some of the things I see added to MTG in all fairness. |
| 18:26 |
* Fixer |
too (except of fossils, well I have sandstone nearby with fossils if needed) |
| 18:26 |
Jordach |
https://www.reddit.com/r/uwotm8 |
| 18:26 |
Jordach |
i stumbled on dank memes again |
| 18:27 |
Fixer |
Jordach: wth is this? |
| 18:27 |
sofar |
twoelk: lol |
| 18:27 |
twoelk |
I think MTG has indeed become a lot better |
| 18:27 |
Shara |
I guess my major issue with it is... no real feeling of progression |
| 18:28 |
twoelk |
I don't think that is for MTG to provide |
| 18:28 |
Fixer |
Shara: new biomes and like 10 new blocks - thats as big as WWII in minetest |
| 18:28 |
Shara |
Heh :) |
| 18:28 |
Fixer |
huge advance |
| 18:28 |
twoelk |
it should provide an easy system though to add such |
| 18:29 |
Shara |
I'm still waiting for coral to have a use |
| 18:29 |
Fixer |
Shara: it has... as nice white wall |
| 18:29 |
Shara |
>.> |
| 18:29 |
Fixer |
i still miss coloured clay in default |
| 18:29 |
sofar |
coloring will come |
| 18:29 |
* twoelk |
once lived in a house built of old corals |
| 18:29 |
Fixer |
kids seems to love this on hometown server it seems |
| 18:29 |
sofar |
colored itemstacks are almost there |
| 18:29 |
Fixer |
also |
| 18:30 |
Fixer |
i watch a lot of lets place and a lot of known youtubers use coloured clay |
| 18:30 |
Shara |
I'd probably hug whoever completes coloured item stacks, if it would not send them running :) |
| 18:30 |
Fixer |
it is just easier to use, natural block sometimes much harder to properly use |
| 18:30 |
Shara |
(note: I have no clue who is even working on it) |
| 18:31 |
VanessaE |
Shara: have you tried the auto-coloring mode in unified dyes yet? |
| 18:31 |
Shara |
not yet. |
| 18:31 |
Shara |
Time in general is... low. |
| 18:31 |
Amaz |
Shara: Have you seen this pull? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5407 |
| 18:31 |
Amaz |
That's adding coloured itemstacks :) |
| 18:31 |
Shara |
Yay! |
| 18:31 |
VanessaE |
Shara: if you have time to chat you have time to play ;) |
| 18:32 |
Fixer |
looking forward for it |
| 18:32 |
Shara |
I chat while studying |
| 18:32 |
RobbieF |
I study while chatting |
| 18:32 |
twoelk |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasseef_House <- built of corall |
| 18:32 |
* Shara |
could take a guess at what RobbieF 'studies' |
| 18:33 |
Shara |
RobbieF: Does it start with b? :D |
| 18:33 |
RobbieF |
haha! How'd you guess? |
| 18:33 |
Shara |
I know you too well. |
| 18:33 |
Shara |
Now everyone else will wonder :) |
| 18:33 |
RobbieF |
You've created a monster. |
| 18:33 |
Shara |
Yes, yes I have. |
| 18:33 |
Shara |
I'm even a little proud of how quickly you are learning :) |
| 18:34 |
RobbieF |
For those of curious nature, I'd be studying the way this swirls around the glass... http://wineenthusiast.scene7.com/is/image/WineEnthusiast/f/n/w/1500/21148.jpg |
| 18:35 |
* twoelk |
remembers some nice blender animations of that |
| 18:36 |
Jordach |
things minetest needs: https://i.imgur.com/4UgpxpP.jpg |
| 18:36 |
Jordach |
Kappa |
| 18:39 |
* twoelk |
wonders why he just now has this nice swirling wine on his mind |
| 18:39 |
Fixer |
https://imgur.com/WpKhtQO ---- gets real |
| 18:40 |
Jordach |
errrrr |
| 18:42 |
Krock |
> "Made with Video to GIF" |
| 18:42 |
Jordach |
https://gist.github.com/Jordach/e291fb05f6c26b36431446a3413ef7e8 |
| 18:42 |
Krock |
> sees .mp4 file loaded |
| 18:43 |
VanessaE |
sofar: so, regarding colored itemstacks... I guess for UD I'll make it shift-dig to split the dug node into neutral+dye, otherwise you get the node directly into the inventory (and the engine has to handle the colorization from there) |
| 18:43 |
Jordach |
^ final version of my beds prototype |
| 18:44 |
twoelk |
can players die in bed? |
| 18:44 |
Jordach |
still targetable |
| 18:44 |
Jordach |
can't change engine behaviour |
| 18:44 |
twoelk |
and starving? |
| 18:44 |
Jordach |
https://gist.github.com/Jordach/e291fb05f6c26b36431446a3413ef7e8#file-lua-L411 |
| 18:45 |
Jordach |
it's already handled |
| 18:45 |
Jordach |
that deserial needs to be a pos_to_string |
| 18:45 |
Jordach |
well, string to pos |
| 18:45 |
Fixer |
"Velocirooster!" |
| 18:45 |
Fixer |
loooooooool |
| 18:46 |
Fixer |
now I want to finally read that XX books about history of Earth i ------- |
| 18:47 |
sofar |
it's pretty boring |
| 18:47 |
sofar |
for the first 3 billion years not much happens |
| 18:47 |
Jordach |
bit like intel in the early 80s |
| 18:47 |
sofar |
not until 3.85 billion years after it's formed does it get interesting |
| 18:48 |
twoelk |
hm, sunset and dawn are hardcoded? |
| 18:48 |
sofar |
unless you're a hadean fan |
| 18:48 |
twoelk |
wasn't there the possability to change day/night ratio? |
| 18:48 |
Jordach |
twoelk, you can already |
| 18:49 |
twoelk |
so you shouldn't hardcode that in your mod? |
| 18:49 |
Jordach |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L3035 |
| 18:50 |
twoelk |
I mean if you have shorter nights 7pm might not always apply |
| 18:51 |
twoelk |
for example |
| 18:51 |
Jordach |
twoelk, i based it on the default ratio |
| 18:52 |
twoelk |
I understand, but it is a configurable vallue, so it might clash with your hardcoded values |
| 18:52 |
Jordach |
is per mod |
| 18:52 |
Jordach |
realise that it's built for my own game |
| 18:52 |
Fixer |
also top_quality minetest gameplay - you are invulnerable in boat or a cart, enjoy |
| 18:53 |
twoelk |
so your game has a fixed day/night ratio? |
| 18:53 |
Jordach |
no |
| 18:53 |
Jordach |
no mod here changes it |
| 18:53 |
twoelk |
hm |
| 18:53 |
Jordach |
7pm+ is a more realistic time to sleep at, compared with 6pm |
| 18:54 |
Fixer |
and 4am for some other folks |
| 18:54 |
twoelk |
nothing wrong with that |
| 18:56 |
Fixer |
https://i.imgur.com/AHWepl8.jpg |
| 18:56 |
Jordach |
well |
| 18:56 |
Jordach |
you can sleep in the beds at any time of day |
| 18:56 |
twoelk |
just thinking there is a value that can be configured and that might clash with youre mod being to static there |
| 18:56 |
Jordach |
twoelk, the one in Minetest game is like that, as ewll |
| 18:57 |
twoelk |
well, no one says MTG is perfect as discussed above ;-P |
| 18:57 |
Fixer |
mtg is crippled for now |
| 18:57 |
twoelk |
kittens sleep at any time of the day anyways |
| 18:58 |
Fixer |
it is less cripled with time though |
| 18:58 |
Fixer |
crip reduce |
| 18:58 |
VanessaE |
crippled is not a good word for it |
| 18:58 |
VanessaE |
maybe it lacks features, some say it lacks direction |
| 18:58 |
VanessaE |
but it ain't crippled. |
| 18:59 |
twoelk |
is there actually a variable that can be fetched for the events of dawn and sunset? |
| 18:59 |
Fixer |
not englishman |
| 18:59 |
Fixer |
lets call it dawn of minetest_game |
| 19:00 |
Fixer |
slowpoke.png |
| 19:00 |
twoelk |
dawn is nice , things get better |
| 19:01 |
twoelk |
hopefully no one wants to call it dusk ofMTG |
| 19:03 |
Fixer |
https://twitter.com/eatchildren_au/status/846683853917863936 |
| 19:03 |
VanessaE |
wat |
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| 19:22 |
paramat |
i'd like to merge #5470 in a few hours since it's important, will do if no objections |
| 19:22 |
paramat |
oops |
| 19:23 |
paramat |
wrong channel |
| 19:26 |
RobbieF |
Hehe, oh paramat, way to stir up shit. :D |
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| 19:32 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 19:36 |
celeron55 |
it's just about fixing sneaking bugs, what could go wrong |
| 19:37 |
Jordach |
riots and hellfire |
| 19:37 |
* Shara |
very carefully hides again |
| 19:37 |
Amaz |
Another fork from people who like the new bugs :P |
| 19:38 |
VanessaE |
dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria. |
| 19:38 |
Shara |
I predict a whole cutlery set by the time we're done. |
| 19:38 |
VanessaE |
hah |
| 19:39 |
Shara |
VanessaE: Didn't the nyan issue possibly caus ethat already? |
| 19:39 |
Shara |
cause that* |
| 19:39 |
VanessaE |
yep :) |
| 19:39 |
Amaz |
xD |
| 19:39 |
Shara |
Yup, everyone put your arms in the air and run about sneselessly! It's time :) |
| 19:40 |
Amaz |
Hasn't that been going on for a while now? :P |
| 19:40 |
Amaz |
But you forgot the screaming part, Shara ;) |
| 19:41 |
Shara |
Screaming seems like too much effort. |
| 19:43 |
thefamilygrog66 |
"Fun is fun." - Millhouse |
| 19:46 |
benrob0329 |
Its all fun and game, untill all hell breaks loose. |
| 19:47 |
Calinou |
it's all fun and games, until somebody loses an eye |
| 19:47 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I'm speaking to the game, not the infighting. |
| 19:47 |
Calinou |
(I hope someone will get the reference) |
| 19:48 |
Shara |
People who think old sneak makes game easy... I just signed into my server and found dead players everywhere :D |
| 19:49 |
* thefamilygrog66 |
's server is anything but easy |
| 19:49 |
benrob0329 |
Tbh in starting to get used to new sneak |
| 19:49 |
Shara |
Dark Land's first rule = Don't get angry if you die |
| 19:50 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Ah, you run Dark Land, Shara. Cool. |
| 19:50 |
Calinou |
when I was young and I played Minecraft, I was pretty upset when I died :( |
| 19:50 |
Calinou |
(with lots of valuable items, of course) |
| 19:50 |
OldCoder |
<VanessaE> *childish gasp* mommy he said the f-word! |
| 19:50 |
Calinou |
it felt almost as bad as deleting important files from your PC |
| 19:51 |
Shara |
thefamilygrog66: Yes, Dark Lands and Red Cat are my main servers |
| 19:51 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, trite isn't helpful |
| 19:51 |
Shara |
Hi OldCoder |
| 19:51 |
OldCoder |
Shara |
| 19:51 |
benrob0329 |
hi OldCoder |
| 19:51 |
OldCoder |
benrob0329 |
| 19:51 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: in this case, it is. |
| 19:52 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I run The Darkside, myself. I removed bones, and added a "dropdead" mod that randomly drops some of the player's items when they die. Kind of like MC, but only half as bad, more or less. |
| 19:52 |
Shara |
thefamilygrog66: You drop evcerything other than armour and things in bags on DL |
| 19:52 |
Shara |
I don't use bones either |
| 19:53 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Hate the bones accumulation myself - makes the server look ugly |
| 19:53 |
benrob0329 |
A hardcore server with banned on die would be fun |
| 19:53 |
benrob0329 |
Ish |
| 19:53 |
VanessaE |
there's a reason I disable bones in my servers :) |
| 19:53 |
Calinou |
VanessaE: but how can I build a castle using only bones? :( |
| 19:53 |
Shara |
benrob0329: Maybe temp ban |
| 19:53 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I always thought you were pretty clever, VanessaE... |
| 19:53 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: creative mode? :) |
| 19:53 |
Calinou |
benrob0329: have fun getting any regulars on it :P |
| 19:53 |
Calinou |
VanessaE: :P |
| 19:53 |
Calinou |
benrob0329: all the noobs will be banned :P |
| 19:54 |
Shara |
Calinou: I have a bones node drop as just a node |
| 19:54 |
VanessaE |
thefamilygrog66: I think the word you're looking for is "stubborn" :) |
| 19:54 |
benrob0329 |
I've seen whole roads built with bones |
| 19:54 |
benrob0329 |
It was..morbid |
| 19:54 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Hah! Granted, on Darkside when a player dies, a bones node is also dropped. |
| 19:54 |
Shara |
thefamilygrog66: I might check it out sometime |
| 19:54 |
Shara |
Any good buildings there? |
| 19:55 |
thefamilygrog66 |
It takes a mighty long time to load intitially. |
| 19:55 |
Shara |
Can you tell me connection info (scrolling about and not seeing it...) |
| 19:55 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Shara, it's kind of hit and miss, though I had one player named 'yunus' who built an amazing medieval village that I copied, block at a time over to the new server |
| 19:55 |
thefamilygrog66 |
darkside.zapto.org:30003 |
| 19:56 |
thefamilygrog66 |
It's um... different from most servers. |
| 19:56 |
Shara |
I rarely have a chance to build anything these days |
| 19:56 |
benrob0329 |
Calinou: no fly, teleport. Halfed crafting and inv |
| 19:56 |
Shara |
But I like to wander servers and see nice buildings |
| 19:56 |
benrob0329 |
Mobs everywhere |
| 19:57 |
benrob0329 |
it'd br unfairly hard |
| 19:57 |
benrob0329 |
*be |
| 19:57 |
Jordach |
better solution |
| 19:57 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Let me know when you're there, I can tp you to his village, Shara |
| 19:57 |
benrob0329 |
Any building would be an accomplishment |
| 19:57 |
VanessaE |
sfan5 (or anyone), in worldedit, is there a way to //stack something but making it ignore air in the source selection? |
| 19:57 |
* Shara |
turned up mob damage and turned down armour protection for DL |
| 19:58 |
Shara |
I was surprised when people played there anyway |
| 19:58 |
VanessaE |
(to make it easy for example, to place a whole bunch of support pylons under a long, elevated bridge) |
| 19:58 |
Shara |
thefamilygrog66: media is slow, as you said |
| 19:58 |
thefamilygrog66 |
The first time loading takes forever, yes |
| 19:59 |
Shara |
I'm in |
| 20:00 |
benrob0329 |
In what? The Pentagon? |
| 20:00 |
Jordach |
Shara, VanessaE make the bones mod save the first 5 items of your hotbar and the first 3 items of the second row |
| 20:01 |
twoelk |
VanessaE: wasn't there a copy offset that could be missused? |
| 20:01 |
VanessaE |
twoelk: damned if I can remember. |
| 20:01 |
twoelk |
like first hilight 1 then 2 then4 then8 ..... |
| 20:01 |
VanessaE |
(by pylons, I mean the piers. the vertical parts under the bridge that hold it up) |
| 20:02 |
twoelk |
Ik |
| 20:02 |
twoelk |
I made trees along roads like that - to not destroy stuff inbetween |
| 20:03 |
twoelk |
forgot the details though |
| 20:05 |
Shara |
Jordach: Why? I don't want to mak eit easier |
| 20:06 |
Shara |
make it* |
| 20:07 |
Jordach |
Shara, usually the first 4 slots are tools |
| 20:10 |
Shara |
Jordach: All the more reason to not keep them |
| 20:11 |
Jordach |
Shara, if you're like me and have emergency tool kits stashed about |
| 20:11 |
Jordach |
then it's actually a waste on resources |
| 20:14 |
Shara |
I feel that on a survival, death should actually cost you |
| 20:15 |
Shara |
Players can stash resources in bags. The tools are the only thing a smart player will lose |
| 20:18 |
VanessaE |
I never liked bags all that much; rather I sometimes wish we had a bigger default inventory than 8x4 :) |
| 20:18 |
twoelk |
I don't mind difficult or harsh servers, as long as there still is a way back into the game |
| 20:19 |
VanessaE |
(when you're building roads on a dreambuilder server, you need about 20 different nodes for the road, and you end with lots of "yard waste" in your inv too) |
| 20:19 |
Shara |
twoelk: yea, kind of why I do have bags, though I do also at the same time dislike them in some ways |
| 20:19 |
Shara |
Gamebalance is hard |
| 20:19 |
Shara |
But it's also what I've worked on for things outside MT |
| 20:20 |
VanessaE |
hm |
| 20:20 |
Shara |
So picking and adjusting mods for DL turned into a lot of fun |
| 20:20 |
VanessaE |
maybe what Unified Inventory needs is a way to auto-fill bags when the inventory gets full? |
| 20:20 |
Shara |
Hmm, not sure. |
| 20:20 |
VanessaE |
(and if you keep the inv stocked with only the stuff you're building with, the bags would then pick up all the waste) |
| 20:20 |
Shara |
I'd love a way to auto-trash items I don't want :P |
| 20:21 |
benrob0329 |
Set up a sorting system |
| 20:22 |
VanessaE |
something I find myself doing frequently is shift-clicking several items to move them to the craft grid, then "trash" all, and move them back. good way to clear the inv without losing the most important stuff |
| 20:22 |
VanessaE |
(doesn't work in the road-building case though. too many items for the craft grid to hold) |
| 20:22 |
benrob0329 |
Trash some items, but put others in an "inv" chest |
| 20:23 |
twoelk |
maybe individual trash button for each inventory line? |
| 20:23 |
twoelk |
like trash everything in bottom row or such |
| 20:24 |
VanessaE |
that could be useful. |
| 20:25 |
Fixer |
trash all the things |
| 20:30 |
* twoelk |
decides to visit a server he never was on before |
| 20:31 |
RobbieF |
which one? |
| 20:31 |
RobbieF |
I hope it starts with TPS- |
| 20:31 |
RobbieF |
;) |
| 20:33 |
VanessaE |
it needs to start with VE- :) |
| 20:34 |
RobbieF |
:D |
| 20:34 |
RobbieF |
Yeah, they're alright too. hehe |
| 20:39 |
OldCoder |
twoelk, perhaps provide input related to bug fixes needed for Wuzzy's MC subgame. |
| 20:40 |
OldCoder |
The location of a copy is: minetest.org port 30015 |
| 20:43 |
garywhite |
Shara, I think you should look at issue 5470 on the MT repository |
| 20:43 |
garywhite |
They're fiddling with the sneak thing again |
| 20:43 |
Shara |
garywhite: sneak is a bad word |
| 20:43 |
garywhite |
sneak ladder |
| 20:44 |
benrob0329 |
I stopped caring about it |
| 20:44 |
benrob0329 |
I'm gettin used to it |
| 20:44 |
benrob0329 |
Life will go on |
| 20:44 |
Shara |
I've not stopped caring, but nothing can make it worse for me than it is ;) |
| 20:44 |
Shara |
So I hope the devs do fiddle |
| 20:44 |
paramat |
5470 is a good PR that fixes bugs |
| 20:45 |
sfan5 |
VanessaE: currently not no |
| 20:45 |
* Shara |
will trust paramat :) |
| 20:45 |
VanessaE |
sfan5: ok. |
| 20:45 |
garywhite |
it looks like they're fixing bugs with the sneak ladder |
| 20:46 |
paramat |
yes and more improvements will follow |
| 20:46 |
Shara |
I'm ust sitting back and giving it time |
| 20:47 |
Shara |
just* |
| 20:47 |
Shara |
paramat and sfan5 and some others too are all trying to make things better from here. |
| 20:57 |
Sokomine |
that's good to hear |
| 20:58 |
Sokomine |
hmm. my client is in crashing-mode today... |
| 20:59 |
benrob0329 |
Sokomine: do you watch Doctor Who? |
| 21:00 |
benrob0329 |
I'm going to take a guess and say that you probably do, since you made the travelnet mod... |
| 21:00 |
Sokomine |
benrob0329: not really. one of the newer versions was broadcasted here some years ago, but it was a bit too much horror for my taste |
| 21:00 |
Sokomine |
i do know about dr who :-) |
| 21:00 |
benrob0329 |
Some eps are more horror than others |
| 21:00 |
Sokomine |
still, it's a german telephone cell and not the english one :) it's yellow, not blue :) |
| 21:01 |
Sokomine |
(although the very function does give a hint that it is related to the tardis) |
| 21:01 |
benrob0329 |
Some are very lighthearted and bright, others not so much |
| 21:02 |
Sokomine |
the ones there where usually pretty dark. i wish i could see some of the earlier episodes |
| 21:03 |
OldCoder |
Sokomine, the earlier episodes are widely available online and/or on DVDs |
| 21:03 |
Sokomine |
hi oldcoder |
| 21:03 |
OldCoder |
Some will seem tedious. But there are usually lively episodes when they kill off the old Doctors |
| 21:04 |
OldCoder |
I will direct you to what is considered to be one of the best story arcs |
| 21:04 |
* OldCoder |
was not a fan, but remembers the Doctor's dying words: |
| 21:04 |
Sokomine |
online? for free? maybe in gb? elsewhere there's probably a geoblock. some streaming services will probably have them as well...but i havn'd decided yet to get one |
| 21:04 |
OldCoder |
"This is the end. But the moment has been prepared for." |
| 21:04 |
OldCoder |
Old people think about this sort of thing. Minute, please. |
| 21:04 |
octacian |
What is self in Lua |
| 21:05 |
OldCoder |
Actually, here is his death now |
| 21:05 |
Sokomine |
the object itshelf i'd say. in the objectorientated part of lua. sometimes needed for accessing the player |
| 21:05 |
OldCoder |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3w-BHsXt4I |
| 21:05 |
Sokomine |
ah. thank you oldcoder |
| 21:06 |
benrob0329 |
Daily motion has many of them for dree |
| 21:06 |
Amaz |
The episodes with the Third Doctor are some of the best, imo :) |
| 21:06 |
benrob0329 |
*free |
| 21:06 |
OldCoder |
YouTube |
| 21:06 |
Sokomine |
poor doctor (however he dies). but at least he does come back |
| 21:06 |
benrob0329 |
YouTube is ahrder to find the stiff |
| 21:06 |
benrob0329 |
And I can't type today |
| 21:07 |
octacian |
Sokomine: OK. Cause I'm making an HUD library which provides what I had attempted to call "self" to each callback function. It's essentially a table with functions to manipulate the HUD element |
| 21:07 |
* benrob0329 |
is going to hopefully release alpha 1 of his tardis mod tomorrow |
| 21:09 |
red-004 |
I though someone already made one? |
| 21:09 |
behalebabo |
octacian: in lua, self typically refers to the table that the function belongs to, which is passed as the first function parameter. In objects, for example, on_step is passed the self parameter first |
| 21:09 |
octacian |
hmmm |
| 21:09 |
red-004 |
or was it that they released a mod and then lefted and removed it? |
| 21:09 |
red-004 |
s/lefted/left |
| 21:09 |
Sokomine |
hmpf. again...had to kill mt. perhaps i really ought to run it in debug mode...just wondering if something will come out of that. after all there's some blocking of the entire machine (more or less) when it happens |
| 21:10 |
benrob0329 |
There was one, but its long dissapeared |
| 21:10 |
octacian |
Well, how should I provide a table of functions for manipulating an object to all of the objects callbacks? |
| 21:10 |
Sokomine |
benrob0329: a player called ila built a nice small tardis on xanandu. it's mostly a teleporter inside with a mini-wool-tardis, but such things are nice :-) |
| 21:11 |
benrob0329 |
Indeed |
| 21:12 |
benrob0329 |
I tried to bould one on game myself |
| 21:12 |
benrob0329 |
Ended up destroying it with worldedit unfortunetly :-( |
| 21:12 |
behalebabo |
octacian: is this object an entity, or just a lua table in memory? |
| 21:14 |
octacian |
Just a Lua table. Managing HUD elements. |
| 21:14 |
octacian |
I've implemented callbacks such as on_remove |
| 21:14 |
octacian |
If the HUD element is removed, the function specified in on_remove is called |
| 21:15 |
behalebabo |
so you'd like to be able to use things like: self:get_text() |
| 21:15 |
behalebabo |
where self is the passed element that was removed |
| 21:15 |
octacian |
Yep |
| 21:15 |
octacian |
However, a better example would be on_step |
| 21:15 |
behalebabo |
ok, I think you'll need to use metatables here |
| 21:16 |
behalebabo |
when creating the HUD element table, give it a metatable that refers to some functions that operate on it |
| 21:16 |
behalebabo |
I'll find some documentation about it |
| 21:17 |
behalebabo |
from PIL: https://www.lua.org/pil/13.4.1.html |
| 21:18 |
octacian |
behalebabo: this might give you an idea of what I'm doing https://gist.github.com/octacian/aa321602b077cc8233659d56d2512844 |
| 21:18 |
octacian |
Essentially that's where I generate the table of functions |
| 21:18 |
Sokomine |
benrob0329: sometimes if you have sufficient information in your debugfile you can restore buildings from that. i did that once |
| 21:18 |
octacian |
e.g. set_offset(...) |
| 21:18 |
Sokomine |
the house was gone - but my actions where recorded |
| 21:19 |
benrob0329 |
I didn't have rollback enabled, unfortunately |
| 21:19 |
behalebabo |
Using metatables you'd want to set the __index metamethod of each hud element table to search for the function name in the function table. In that function table you'd define those operations, which could then read the table as their first argument and work from that |
| 21:20 |
octacian |
I think that for now I'm not going to worry about providing "self" right now, I should probably rework a few other things first, and plus, there's other ways to get the function table |
| 21:20 |
octacian |
When I do get around to it though, I'll definitely have more questions. |
| 21:26 |
octacian |
How can I register a function to be called whenever an entity dies? |
| 21:26 |
octacian |
(I'm making a morph mod) |
| 21:29 |
behalebabo |
I think you'd have to manually check health, there doesn't appear to be any entity on_death function, only a register_on_dieplayer |
| 21:29 |
RobbieF |
Night all :D |
| 21:30 |
celeron55 |
write an engine issue or PR, that probably should be added |
| 21:31 |
octacian |
behalebabo: I'm thinking I loop through every registered entity, save old on_punch, call, then if hp == 0 add to morph list |
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benrob0329 |
Eeeaahh crap |
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benrob0329 |
My irc client errored out and didn't tell me.. |
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benrob0329 |
What would be cool is if I can manage to make otnso thay you have to actually fly the tardus |
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benrob0329 |
Hi Nathan |
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Nathans21 |
Hi beb |
| 21:58 |
Nathans21 |
Ben |
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Nathans21 |
Sorry, on my phone. |
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Fixer |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=17113 kek or not? |
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someone rewrites minetest client with Urhosharp game engine |
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