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00:02 octacian How can I register a function to be called whenever an entities is killed?
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00:13 paramat sfan5's commit works well, tested
00:14 paramat fixes lower step bug and ladder in hole bug
00:21 Shara which was ladder in hole bug?
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00:34 paramat #5466
00:34 paramat https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5466
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00:36 Shara Ahh, thanks paramat
00:57 paramat hm i have code that might provide engine double jump near a ledge, but early in testing though
01:00 Shara paramat: thank you - very good news to me :D
01:03 paramat careful, might have bugs :]
01:03 paramat none yet
01:03 Shara Any sneak related feature without bugs would amaze me :)
01:04 paramat https://github.com/paramat/minetest/commit​/236cde54362ff7f076e90a72525c802e43fc21a2
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02:49 octacian How can I get the difference between two positional vectors?
02:50 octacian Figured it out. vector.distance
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05:36 octacian minetest.hud_replace_builtint(...) doesn't return an ID that works with hud_get, does it?
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06:23 octacian Super-late night all! xD
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06:57 OldCoder CWz, got a minute to test a new world?
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07:05 OldCoder lumidify, got a minute to try a world?
07:06 lumidify Sorry, not really - I'm in a class
07:07 OldCoder That would probably not work out
07:07 OldCoder Try it later. Port is on minetest.org. It's apparently a MC clone.
07:07 OldCoder The animals look different
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07:30 cheapie What is "silver sand" supposed to be, anyway?
07:32 red-002 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
07:32 red-002 ...
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07:54 shivajiva Silver sand is a fine white sand used in gardening. It consists largely of quartz particles that are not coated with iron oxides. Iron oxides colour sand from yellows to rich browns. Silver sand is also used as a constituent of mortar for laying light coloured pavers
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08:37 CWz OldCoder, hey i am ready now
09:00 shivajiva [09:19:14] <OldCoder> Real Bad Angel spoke to me yesterday unexpectedly. He explained himself after 5 years. He is very different. But he is twice the man and a dozen times more trustworthy than you'll ever be.
09:00 shivajiva [09:19:30] <OldCoder> The irony is, after 5 years, the only adults I've established strong communication with...
09:00 shivajiva [09:19:50] <OldCoder> are a very neurodiverse man who is supposed to be dead and somebody else who left the project 5 years ago.
09:00 shivajiva [09:19:58] <OldCoder> It isn't clear why I've bothered.
09:00 shivajiva [09:20:20] <OldCoder> RBA's reasons, his motives, are complex. But I understand him better than I understand people like you.
09:00 shivajiva [09:20:21] <OldCoder>
09:00 shivajiva [09:21:13] <OldCoder> Acknowledge that you've heard this or I'll need to ensure that you receive this message some other way. Nothing else need be said.
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09:01 tenplus1 hi folks
09:01 shivajiva hi ten
09:01 tenplus1 hi shiva
09:01 shivajiva nice to see you dude!
09:02 nrzkt shivajiva: why do you paste that ?
09:02 tenplus1 thanks...  hi nrz
09:02 OldCoder He wished to be offensive
09:02 tenplus1 hi OldCoder
09:02 OldCoder tenplus1, Hi
09:02 nrzkt hi tenplus1 welcome back
09:02 OldCoder shivajiva, that is a violation of the terms of this channel
09:02 shivajiva I wish OC's diatribe to cease
09:02 shivajiva was kicked by OldCoder: shivajiva
09:02 tenplus1 o.O what did he paste ?
09:02 OldCoder o/
09:03 OldCoder Something private that may distress a good man
09:03 OldCoder Not me
09:03 tenplus1 ohh
09:03 nrzkt stop that war please
09:03 nrzkt tenplus1: there are logs on irc.minetest.net
09:03 OldCoder nrzkt, I'll accept no more condemnation or responsibility for the actions of others
09:03 nrzkt tenplus1: http://irc.minetest.net/mi​netest-project/2017-03-28
09:04 OldCoder What was done over the weekend was unacceptable. And you are the person who has continued it. Kindly stop the "war" yourself.
09:05 * tenplus1 wonders if he came back at the wrong time
09:06 OldCoder tenplus1, I think you'll like the new channel better
09:07 Amaz Hello ten :)
09:07 nrzkt OldCoder: i don't care about sneaking war between some users and some coredevs, i don't have any opnion about this, i'm focused on other core parts :p
09:07 tenplus1 hi amaz
09:08 OldCoder nrzkt, you chose to say "stop the war" to *me*
09:09 OldCoder It was your decision
09:09 OldCoder Nobody else's
09:09 Amaz Please stop this now
09:09 OldCoder I said nothing to warrant this
09:09 OldCoder Amaz, I have nothing to stop. I will always respond to such statements. The one who responds is blameless.
09:09 OldCoder The one who attacks, on the other hand, is not.
09:09 Amaz If you want to carry on this pointless discussion, do it in PMs.
09:09 OldCoder Amaz, I was addressed publicly
09:10 OldCoder And shivajiva chose to paste a PM
09:10 Amaz I've had enough of this channel becoming a battle zone over the past couple of weeks
09:10 OldCoder So PM is sort of pointless
09:10 OldCoder Amaz, then speak to the attackers
09:10 OldCoder shivajiva pasted a PM concerning the best friend that I have in MT
09:10 OldCoder Possibly causing that friend distress
09:10 nrzkt OldCoder: no, i just said, stop that war, it's directed to everybody which continue it
09:11 OldCoder nrzkt, you said "stop the war" to me. I did not deserve that.
09:11 OldCoder I did nothing but respond appropriately
09:11 nrzkt OldCoder: your reaction is childish.
09:11 OldCoder Sigh
09:11 OldCoder Ad hominem\
09:11 OldCoder Bye
09:11 nrzkt was kicked by OldCoder: nrzkt
09:11 OldCoder Amaz, I think we see where this is headed
09:12 Topic for #minetest-project is now Ad hominem is discouraged | PM ops for voice | http://minetest.org/proposal.html | Logs are at http://irc.minetest.net/minetest-project
09:12 OldCoder
09:13 tenplus1 mt politics...
09:15 OldCoder Ad hominem. That was my mistake.
09:15 OldCoder It's my responsibility - and arguably fault - as well
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09:15 OldCoder It was my job to stop ad hominem as soon as it started. I failed at that. I'm sorry.
09:28 * VanessaE wanders in, stepping over bodies and broken glass, flips the couch upright, and sits.
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09:32 celeron55 OldCoder: i don't find any of this acceptable unless you admit that you took part in starting the war
09:34 celeron55 alternatively, define "the war" properly, because it's unclear what you are referring to
09:36 celeron55 you can't ask others to stop unless you stop
09:37 OldCoder celeron55, this is the one line that nobody will ever cross. Ever. I did not do anything but respond. I have been too meek about this issue.
09:37 OldCoder There is nothing for me to "stop"
09:37 OldCoder Not last week, not over the weekend, and not now
09:37 OldCoder If I am addressed, I will respond. period.
09:37 celeron55 i disagree
09:37 OldCoder And shivajiva pasted a PM...
09:38 OldCoder Which renders the entire subject of PMs sort of moot, doesn't it?
09:38 celeron55 i agree that the PM paste wasn't appropriate
09:38 OldCoder I spent 4 days
09:38 OldCoder That I didn't have
09:38 OldCoder Trying to moderate. Trying to deescalate.
09:38 OldCoder I was mocked for doing so, but I kept at it
09:38 OldCoder Spending time that I didn't have
09:38 OldCoder I was exhausted, physically and emotionally
09:38 OldCoder But I tried to meet my responsibilities
09:38 OldCoder As soon as I realized
09:39 OldCoder that this was necessary
09:39 OldCoder I dropped most of my own concerns
09:39 OldCoder and focused on deescalation
09:39 celeron55 i don't think starting to talk of a fork in your position is a way of de-escalating anything
09:39 OldCoder People considered it trite
09:39 OldCoder I did not discuss the fork here except when asked
09:39 OldCoder I told the same trite parable
09:39 OldCoder about 0.9 vs 1.1
09:39 OldCoder again and again
09:39 OldCoder in the hopes that people would come to their senses
09:39 OldCoder None ever did. Fine.
09:39 OldCoder I did what I could.
09:39 OldCoder Then I was dogpiled
09:40 OldCoder and told that all of this was *my* fault?
09:40 OldCoder That was the last straw
09:40 OldCoder
09:40 celeron55 usually the best way to make people come to their senses is to talk less, not more
09:40 OldCoder I WILL respond
09:40 OldCoder That is a sensible philosophy
09:40 OldCoder It does NOT
09:40 OldCoder translate to
09:40 OldCoder "He is talking so he is at fault"
09:40 OldCoder I do not appreciate or accept
09:40 OldCoder the dogpile over the weekend
09:40 OldCoder I do not appreciate or accept
09:40 OldCoder nr*'s remark about "childish"
09:41 OldCoder I do not appreciate or accept]
09:41 OldCoder shiva jiva's paste
09:41 OldCoder of a PM that may distress
09:41 OldCoder the 2nd most important person in MT after you
09:41 OldCoder And
09:41 OldCoder I do not appreciate or accept]
09:41 celeron55 i didn't think of it that way but it might be that some people end up thinking that whoever talks most is at fault, now that you mention
09:41 OldCoder your own remarks right now
09:41 OldCoder Sorry, please reword that
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09:41 OldCoder It doesn't quite parse
09:41 OldCoder Bottom line...
09:41 OldCoder If somebody is attacked
09:41 OldCoder or even addressed
09:42 OldCoder You may *wish* they do not respond
09:42 OldCoder But they have the right to do so
09:42 OldCoder If they respond
09:42 OldCoder and they are mocked or attacked further
09:42 OldCoder
09:42 OldCoder anything goes
09:42 OldCoder
09:42 OldCoder This is NOT my doing
09:42 OldCoder And I resent what has been said
09:42 OldCoder I want what I will never receive
09:42 OldCoder Acknowledgments to this effect
09:42 OldCoder
09:43 OldCoder He who is addressed or attacked
09:43 OldCoder has a right of response
09:43 OldCoder No person, dog, cat, President, or God
09:43 OldCoder may say otherwise
09:43 OldCoder
09:43 OldCoder I might add that I am far more concerned right now
09:43 OldCoder about my friend's feelings
09:43 OldCoder than I am about those of anybody else here
09:44 OldCoder He is the most helpful, most creative person in MT
09:44 OldCoder And for shivajiva to simply paste that PM as a lark
09:44 OldCoder was reprehensible
09:44 OldCoder
09:44 OldCoder Everybody here owes a debt to the man I am referring to
09:44 OldCoder And if people try to hurt him further
09:44 OldCoder They will regret it
09:44 OldCoder
09:45 celeron55 it's much more useful to talk to shivajiva then than to attack the entire channel, most of whom don't even know who shivajiva is
09:45 OldCoder I DID talk to shivajiva
09:45 OldCoder He pasted it here
09:45 OldCoder So go talk to him
09:45 OldCoder
09:45 OldCoder And "attack the entire channel" ?
09:45 OldCoder Explain yourself. Prove that you are sentient.
09:45 OldCoder
09:46 celeron55 that would mean he didn't want to hear anything from you; did he indicate so beforehand?
09:46 OldCoder celeron55, the paste? He had no right. And no. He mocked me and never commented again.
09:46 OldCoder He mocked me right after the dogpile
09:46 OldCoder
09:47 OldCoder Do not presume to use the words "attack the entire channel"
09:47 OldCoder I had had enough 2 days ago
09:47 OldCoder And more so in the last 24 hours
09:47 OldCoder
09:47 OldCoder I spent my life
09:47 OldCoder being knocked unconscious
09:47 OldCoder cut open with a knife
09:47 OldCoder Surprised at the color of the blood
09:47 OldCoder mocked, sued, chased, basically beaten out of existence
09:48 OldCoder Because people didn't like the fact that I talked in a detailed manner
09:48 OldCoder Ever get to listen to people
09:48 OldCoder planning to rape you?
09:48 OldCoder It's an interesting experience
09:48 OldCoder
09:48 celeron55 i'm sure many people feel threatened by you; i can tell because two people voluntarily /parted already
09:48 OldCoder D:
09:48 OldCoder Threatened? Bullsh*t
09:48 OldCoder I am the one attacked
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09:48 OldCoder I woke up 5 years ago
09:48 OldCoder I will never shut up because people think I talk to much again
09:49 OldCoder I will ALWAYS respond
09:49 OldCoder
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09:49 OldCoder celeron55, I think we see where this is headed. I am neither impressed nor distressed.
09:49 OldCoder Take the childish ones and go
09:49 OldCoder
09:50 OldCoder I am only saddened...
09:50 OldCoder by the death of the project that I spent 5 years trying to save
09:50 celeron55 it's not dead even if you wanted it to be
09:50 celeron55 and i assume you don't
09:50 OldCoder It is. And you have known this for 1.5 years.
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10:21 kaeza greetings
10:21 * VanessaE hands kaeza some popcorn
10:21 * Amaz hands kaeza a bullet proof vest
10:22 CWz salutations
10:25 * CWz shuffles a deck of candy dominoes
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10:41 sfan5 are we doing kindergarten now
10:41 VanessaE apparently so.
10:42 OldCoder ChanServ, flags #minetest-project sfan5 -V
10:42 OldCoder sfan5, ad hominem is not encouraged
10:42 sfan5 chill dude
10:43 OldCoder I made a mistake last week
10:43 sfan5 also i just got back from school i do not want to participate in any discussion whatsoever
10:43 OldCoder I have apologized for it
10:43 OldCoder Hm, you should have lost voice; I just devoiced you
10:43 * OldCoder shrugs
10:43 sfan5 (partly because i also have 4 more hours ahead of me)
10:44 OldCoder ad hominem is kickban for this channel. But I tried to devoice you instead. Need to read up on it.
10:44 * OldCoder shrugs
10:44 OldCoder We do not call people agents of M$ - that happened while I was asleep
10:44 OldCoder I resent being held responsible for that, BTW
10:45 OldCoder We do not paste PMs unless they are innocuous
10:45 OldCoder Certainly not PMs with major revelations
10:45 OldCoder We do not call others, in public, *shole, childish, or immature
10:45 OldCoder We will conduct ourselves as adults
10:45 OldCoder Snide remarks related to that will call for kickban
10:45 OldCoder
10:46 OldCoder The word f*ck or sh*t in this venue is also now considered to be offlimits
10:46 OldCoder
10:46 * VanessaE gets some popcorn
10:48 OldCoder Oh, and dogpiles are impolite and may have repercussions
10:48 OldCoder
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11:09 celeron55 OldCoder: can you list things that are in limits? because you kind of make the impression that it's best to just not use this channel anymore
11:12 OldCoder celeron55, I just did. If you wish to insult people, as I just told you in PM, you certainly have the option of moving. It would take 30 seconds. Whoosh! Done. Seems odd to feel the need to embrace the nastiness of the past week.
11:12 OldCoder If that nastiness is the spirit you wish to encourage, that defines the project, proceed as you feel is best
11:12 OldCoder If maybe, just maybe
11:12 celeron55 eg. personally i don't like to be broadly requested to act like an adult because i find no fun in life if i can't say silly things
11:13 OldCoder Pasting PMs
11:13 OldCoder that may cause a distress to somebody who matters
11:13 OldCoder (not me, him)
11:13 OldCoder is not fun and silly
11:13 OldCoder Prolonging conflict
11:13 OldCoder by telling a moderator he's "childish" to kickban for such PMs
11:13 OldCoder is not fun and silly
11:13 celeron55 i did not say i did not agree with what you said; i commented what kind of impression you made
11:13 OldCoder Telling sfan5 he works for M$
11:14 OldCoder "Impression" is fog, Perttu
11:14 OldCoder I said what I said
11:14 OldCoder I am that I am
11:14 OldCoder There is nothing
11:14 OldCoder but what I said
11:14 OldCoder There is no "impression"
11:14 OldCoder "Impression" is something that animals do
11:14 celeron55 people usually act on emotions even when reading rules
11:14 OldCoder Words, facts, these are what matters
11:15 OldCoder Yes, I am well aware of that
11:15 OldCoder I have been aware of that since age 6
11:15 OldCoder See previous dramatic statements
11:15 OldCoder I have seen my blood gushing onto the floor
11:15 OldCoder as part of the lesson
11:15 OldCoder I am not impressed
11:15 OldCoder by the logic of the knife, the gun, the violent, the animals
11:16 OldCoder Rules are not made to be broken
11:16 OldCoder Those who wish to create conflict and extend it
11:16 OldCoder are the ones that you ought to speak with
11:16 OldCoder
11:16 * VanessaE hands a broken ruler to celeron55
11:16 OldCoder The metaphor is unclear, Vanessa
11:17 OldCoder celeron55, you must decide. Rules, adult behavior, or the 5 to 6 days that we just experienced.
11:17 * celeron55 wonders what this ruler is about
11:17 * OldCoder imagines it is a strained joke
11:18 OldCoder There is nothing wrong with responding to people. That needs to be clear. I think, rather, that the 0.9 vs. 1.1 parable that people have mocked...
11:18 OldCoder ought to be law for more channels.
11:18 OldCoder One responds. But one attempts to be reasonable and deescalate.
11:18 OldCoder The rule is 0.9X as opposed to 1.1X.
11:18 OldCoder
11:19 OldCoder This rule was not exactly followed here.
11:19 OldCoder The results were not what most would consider pleasant.
11:19 OldCoder Ah
11:19 celeron55 what is this 0.9 vs. 1.1 thing?
11:20 OldCoder Moment, first, what VanessaE meant was...
11:20 OldCoder Rules are not meant to be broken, but here is a ruler that is broken, ha ha
11:20 OldCoder Huh
11:20 OldCoder Not all that funny
11:20 OldCoder celeron55, I attempted to deescalate several ways
11:20 OldCoder One was the document you worked on with me
11:20 OldCoder It took about 6 hours of my life
11:21 OldCoder and sort of was useless
11:21 OldCoder So I tried a parable
11:21 OldCoder A practical one
11:21 kaeza banning and devoicing people doesn't look like de-escalation to me
11:21 OldCoder If somebody says something and somebody responds just 10% more strongly
11:21 OldCoder kaeza, nice try
11:21 kaeza thx
11:21 OldCoder If you wish my respect, don't interrupt my answer to celeron55
11:21 OldCoder and actually it was totally illogical and impolite
11:21 OldCoder celeron55, to respond
11:22 OldCoder If somebody says something and somebody responds just 10% more strongly
11:22 OldCoder and the 1st person responds 10% more strongly to that
11:22 OldCoder 10% is a very slight increase
11:22 OldCoder But you get a series
11:22 OldCoder 1.1 times 1.1 times 1.1 ...
11:22 OldCoder that goes to the sky
11:22 OldCoder If on the other hand
11:23 OldCoder somebody says something and somebody responds just 10% more mildly
11:23 OldCoder and the 1st person responds 10% more mildly to that
11:23 OldCoder 10% is a very slight decrease
11:23 OldCoder But you get a series
11:23 OldCoder 0.9 times 0.9 times 0.9 ...
11:23 OldCoder that fades away
11:23 OldCoder Only a tiny % change
11:23 OldCoder But the direction makes a huge difference
11:24 OldCoder I thought
11:24 OldCoder I was foolish enough to think
11:24 OldCoder this would help
11:24 OldCoder Naturally I was mocked for attempting it
11:24 OldCoder 5 days of stress and mockery
11:24 OldCoder followed by a dogpile
11:24 OldCoder kaeza, you are way out of line
11:24 OldCoder
11:24 OldCoder shiva* pasted a PM
11:24 kaeza hm?
11:24 OldCoder that was not only offtopic
11:25 OldCoder Oh, you didn't bother
11:25 OldCoder to understand
11:25 OldCoder what you were talking about
11:25 OldCoder before you jumped in
11:25 OldCoder did you, kaeza?
11:25 OldCoder It is not mockery to say, maybe it was foolish
11:25 OldCoder
11:25 OldCoder shiva* pasted a PM
11:25 OldCoder that was not simply offtopic
11:25 OldCoder But potentially distressing to a valued contributor
11:25 OldCoder The one whose name I'm not supposed to say
11:25 OldCoder Because it will distress VanessaE
11:25 OldCoder
11:26 VanessaE say whatever you want
11:26 OldCoder I did not kickban him...
11:26 VanessaE won't distress me any.
11:26 OldCoder I tried to talk to him
11:26 OldCoder Fine, Vanessa
11:26 OldCoder And he responded with an insult
11:26 OldCoder
11:26 OldCoder Care to press your point, kaeza ? Or maybe need to consider it further?
11:26 OldCoder
11:29 VanessaE you want to talk of [de]escalation, a line I like to make a joke of actually fits here... in a scene from "Bobby Jones: Stroke of Genius", some guy wants to press charges against someone else for telling him off.  goes to see Jones, who at that point in his life had a law career underway.  complains.
11:29 VanessaE the exchange ends with, (guy) "But, he told me to go to hell!" (Jones) "Well, I checked the law on that and...you don't have to go."
11:29 OldCoder VanessaE, sorry, that's a bit complex
11:29 OldCoder and irrelevant
11:29 VanessaE re-read.
11:29 kaeza while shiva's paste may have been out of place, my first impression is that you over-reacted
11:29 OldCoder R
11:29 OldCoder kaeza, moment
11:30 OldCoder kaeza, read the actual exchange, please
11:30 OldCoder The words that were said
11:30 kaeza I did?
11:30 VanessaE (whether that exchange between Jones and the other guy actually took place, I don't know, but the sentiment still fits this argument)
11:30 OldCoder Because I honestly don't give a flying duck (quack) about your "impressions"
11:30 OldCoder VanessaE, I am reading it again
11:31 OldCoder VanessaE, the PM was more than out of line, it may hurt somebody you cared about and who I believed cared about you from the start
11:31 OldCoder This channel is not for that sort of thing
11:31 OldCoder
11:32 OldCoder I think he may have loved you
11:32 VanessaE wat
11:32 OldCoder wat yourself
11:32 celeron55 OldCoder is assuming anyone cares at all about anything said about the subjects mentioned in said PM, or would use them against someone, which is probably a wrong assumption
11:32 kaeza I just see an exchange in your usual philosophical way (which I did not take as offensive in any way), followed by a remark about offensiveness, his(?) remark on your long-winded talk, followed by a kick(ban?)
11:32 OldCoder Both of you, allow me a moment to process
11:32 OldCoder celeron55, I'm sorry, that's too convoluted, and you've overlooked the key point
11:33 OldCoder The subject of the PM will care
11:33 OldCoder And his feelings matter
11:33 OldCoder kaeza, moment
11:33 OldCoder kaeza, and? your point? But I really am not interested in your response, though I mean that as politely as possible. I'm too tired to hook up the machine now and I'm supposed to do that.
11:34 OldCoder So, thanks folks, for pulling me into all of this for yet another day
11:34 OldCoder
11:34 OldCoder Today is day #6 I think
11:34 OldCoder I did get a new world launched; CloneCraft
11:34 OldCoder Might be fun
11:34 OldCoder The Enderman spawn rate is too high, though
11:34 OldCoder
11:35 OldCoder Nobody else wishes to be snide or hurtful or arrogant? Surely there is more that can be said
11:35 celeron55 you're not going to get any praise from anyone for putting your life second and minetest first; it's stupid
11:36 OldCoder Not the point, is it?
11:36 OldCoder Does that decision justify the hurtfulness and the arrogance?
11:36 OldCoder The unwillingness to, dare I say the word, deescalate, chill, step back and think?
11:36 OldCoder
11:37 * OldCoder wishes he'd thought of putting it this way at age 6. There are advantages to getting old.
11:37 OldCoder
11:37 celeron55 i'm referring to your latest lines here
11:37 OldCoder I know what you're referring to or believe I do. My willingness to accommodate all of this until this hour is hardly a justification for negative remarks.
11:38 OldCoder Sarcasm, snideness, foolish pride -- not speaking directly to any one person -- these qualities are unattractive
11:39 OldCoder The most important thing one can do to live a balanced life -- something I've only started to learn in recent years myself -- is to examine one's assumptions
11:39 OldCoder Do that, and there is hope. Do not, and one is an animal.
11:39 OldCoder
11:44 OldCoder kaeza, thank you, not really, for the reference to "long winded". The knife wound I mentioned, the other injuries, 50 years of Hell, were related to something that I was born with. Until you can step back and understood what you are doing when you say such things, you cannot claim to be humane or human in the positive sense of the word.
11:44 OldCoder
11:45 OldCoder I stand by the wording of every sentence that I've typed while in a calm state. When I'm not calm it is a tree. You would not understand. Take 20 people at your level and you are bees buzzing around in my skull.
11:45 OldCoder When I talk, it is more condensed than you are able to understand.
11:45 OldCoder This is me. This is how I talk. I make no apologies. If you wish to beat up a black child for being black, you may be well-suited.
11:45 OldCoder
11:46 kaeza what
11:46 OldCoder Enough, thank you, not really. Time to try to hook up the machine.
11:46 OldCoder o/
11:46 OldCoder The Sun will be coming up soon :D
11:47 OldCoder Here comes the sun
11:47 OldCoder Here comes the sun, and I say
11:47 OldCoder It's all right
11:47 OldCoder
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12:35 Jordach meow
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13:42 * Jordach solves the bed mesh issue for good
13:42 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/A1efilx.png
13:42 Jordach took VE's bevel idea into 1/16th pixels
13:43 Jordach it wins the award for annoying to texture
13:44 NathanS21 that looks nice
13:44 Jordach it has a few bonuses
13:44 Jordach if my subgame is installed, it accesses the framework used to skin players
13:45 Jordach this things source is cleaner than the one for Minetest Game
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13:45 Jordach so_far (not highlighting you on purpose) has given me tips on optimising it further
13:46 Jordach NathanS21, the best part is any node with beds.sleep(pos, player, height offset, "bed:inactive" "bed:active"),
13:47 Jordach works immediately as a bed
13:47 NathanS21 interesting
13:47 RobbieF looks nice!
13:47 Jordach RobbieF, note the custom sleeping animation
13:48 Jordach it is tailored to that mesh, but handing out a template bed mesh shouldn't be hard
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13:49 RobbieF wonderful
13:49 Jordach >Trigger Warning: This petition contains content about violence against women
13:49 Jordach lmao
13:50 Jordach welcome to reality
13:54 Jordach RobbieF, these beds have an upgraded formspec too: they allow using the chat
13:55 Jordach Shara, http://i.imgur.com/A1efilx.png
13:56 RobbieF what do you mean, using the chat?
13:56 Jordach eg being able to chat while others aren't sleeping
14:01 RobbieF I didn't realize you couldn't already
14:01 RobbieF beds are generally just used for decor on our servers, so guess I just didn't know :D
14:01 RobbieF but these ones look great, so let me know if they're available  :D
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14:12 Jordach Calinou, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG6oBC0Ym5c
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14:59 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/5TMDkjg.png
15:02 Jordach it does return the formspec when you hit ender
15:02 Jordach enter
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15:41 red-002 so this channel is still a warzone?
15:45 * Jordach shrugs
15:47 nerzhul red-002: sorry i lost my weapon
15:49 red-002 so maybe someone could tell me if minebest is going to be developed further or is it just a modifed snapshot of the current version of minetest?
15:52 * benrob0329 shrugs
15:53 benrob0329 Youd have to ask OldCoder
15:53 red-002 I tried
15:53 benrob0329 As did I
15:54 red-002 I assume I'm banned form his channel as a result
15:54 benrob0329 I dont see why you would be
15:55 nerzhul red-002: it's just another fork which will survive an incertain amount of time
15:56 benrob0329 Voxelands is still around you know
15:56 Jordach red-002, does place_node work like add_node or set node
15:56 nerzhul benrob0329: voxelands has a real justification, no lua, full cpp :p
15:56 red-002 Jordach, I don't know
15:57 kaeza voxelands is another beast altogether
15:57 kaeza based off the 0.3.x codebase
15:59 kaeza it was kinda meh last time I played :P
16:00 red-002 Mar 27 22:53:04 <OldCoder>You were impolite, you know, with no reason at all. Good bye and don't come back.
16:00 red-002 I say thats a pretty
16:01 red-002 clear indiction that I'm not welcome there
16:01 nerzhul red-002: you weren't banned
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16:09 Fixer voxelands also had that z-buffer depth error, i even pasted a link for devs with a fix, hope they used it
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16:16 twoelk what happened to the logs?
16:17 * twoelk was offline for a few days
16:17 red-002 OldCoder, wiped them
16:17 twoelk argh!
16:17 twoelk I knew I should have saved days of interest to me :-(
16:18 red-002 I assume it's something to do with his "fork"
16:18 twoelk did something happen to annoy him? what drama did I miss?
16:19 red-002 sneak and apprently people insulting him
16:19 twoelk pfff
16:35 kaeza <kaeza> the moderated flag should really go IMHO. there is no reason for it in there
16:35 kaeza <kaeza> problem users can just be muted/kicked/whatever like everywhere else
16:35 kaeza <kaeza> requiring somebody to voice users is silly
16:50 benrob0329 One woukd think that Ctrl + Arrow Keys would move cells in a spreadsheet program right?
16:50 benrob0329 But accordong to Microsoft, its actually select
16:50 benrob0329 Because logically, why woukd you ever need to move cells?
16:51 benrob0329 Its not like people make lists or anything in spreadsheet programs...
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16:53 kaeza ctrl+arrows moves between paragraphs in most text editors, so I would assume it moves to some point like the next empty cell or something
16:53 kaeza between paragraphs vertically, or words horizontally
16:54 benrob0329 Ok, then alt arrow keys could be used
16:54 benrob0329 (But just arrow keys moves between cells so ctrl really has no meaning)
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17:29 VanessaE good afternoon.
17:29 Amaz twoelk & all: OC provided me with a zip of the logs: http://minetest.org/ircproject/mtprojectirc.zip
17:30 Amaz It's missing a bit between 24th and 26th (when loggingbot_ began logging), but apart from that, it's complete :)
17:30 thefamilygrog66 Good afternoon V
17:31 VanessaE hi
17:33 VanessaE he's no longer four elks, just two. :)
17:34 twoelk ;-)
17:34 thefamilygrog666 *evil*
17:34 twoelk seems my regular 18:00 disconnect moved to 19:00
17:34 red-004 time change?
17:36 twoelk soitseems
17:36 Shara Well, what interesting reading the logs today made.
17:37 Jordach Shara, :D
17:37 Shara You know, I always liked the 'idea' of this channel.
17:37 Shara It was the only reason I ever stopped hiding away in my own tiny corner of MT to mix with other people.
17:38 Shara A place all kinds of contributors could meet and talk...
17:38 * Shara sighs
17:38 VanessaE it still will be.
17:39 twoelk It does miss some kitten piles though
17:39 VanessaE I expect that there'll be a "shift in management" sooner or later.
17:39 VanessaE twoelk: hah, we haven't done that in years
17:39 Shara This channel needs one.
17:39 * VanessaE puts a kitten on Jordach's head
17:40 Jordach do i have to
17:40 Amaz If this channel was run by kittens, everything would be fine :D
17:40 Shara Mew
17:40 Amaz Apart from a *slight* increase in the number of dead mice found here, maybe ;)
17:40 Shara Depends on the kittens, mewbe.
17:40 Jordach ^ mew
17:41 Amaz I suppose so :)
17:41 * twoelk has played with kittens over the weekend - nope a kitten as moderator is no good idea
17:41 * Jordach has almost completed the beds rewrite
17:42 garywhite Eh, which would you rather have, kittens or Trump?
17:42 twoelk writing in bed?
17:42 twoelk kittens ftw
17:42 Jordach garywhite, both
17:42 Jordach the US economy is doing it's best in 30 years
17:42 Amaz Conspiracy Theory: Trump is a kitten :D
17:42 garywhite ik, but the man needs to keep his mouth shut sometimes
17:43 Jordach garywhite, a person is entitled to their opinion
17:43 twoelk although Trump is teaching a whole nation about <checks and balance>
17:43 Jordach regardless and status
17:43 Jordach s/and/of/
17:43 garywhite ik
17:43 VanessaE Jordach: not really that great, and anyway no president can be held (or claim) responsible for the economy
17:43 garywhite although it is ironic that it shot up after he was elected
17:43 Jordach if you have confidence then it's all good
17:44 VanessaE inflation and the stock market did, maybe.
17:44 twoelk it'll drop once he can't keep his promises
17:44 VanessaE but that's not "the economy"
17:44 Amaz Oh great, we're not going to get into a discussion about politics after everything else that's gone on today...! :P
17:44 VanessaE "the economy" is the prices at the local grocery store, and how much I pay in rent.
17:44 thefamilygrog66 What did I miss earlier?
17:44 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: a lot
17:44 Amaz thefamilygrog66: Quite a lot :P
17:45 twoelk some drama sneaked in?
17:45 VanessaE better to read the logs
17:45 thefamilygrog66 I'm on it...
17:45 Amaz http://irc.minetest.net/mi​netest-project/2017-03-28
17:45 Jordach i'd rather not have a second clinton in office
17:45 VanessaE whoever runs loggingbot should backport those ^^^
17:45 garywhite Yeah, unfortunately I live in one of the few states that will defy everything the president says just cause some people don't like him
17:46 VanessaE garywhite: considering his track record over the past 2 months, that's not a bad idea.
17:47 garywhite Well, for example, take the immigration issue. Our nation has had laws for decades about illegal immigration
17:47 twoelk I wonder what trump might achieve once he has learned how the system works
17:47 garywhite & don't get me wrong, I'm all for immigration, but when we have millions of people coming in illegally, that stretches the resources even thinner than before
17:48 twoelk old <the boat is full> argument
17:48 VanessaE perhaps, but the guy's having people deported that "merely" came over illegally, as opposed to people who are, for example, acting illegally once here.
17:48 Fixer immigrants influence wages too
17:48 Fixer kinda
17:48 VanessaE you wanna solve the illegal immigration problem?
17:48 Fixer it is complicated
17:48 Fixer nevermind
17:48 Jordach VanessaE, how many IT jobs have been lost to the cheap H1-B
17:48 Jordach ;)
17:48 VanessaE start prosecuting every last company that employs them
17:49 VanessaE Jordach: the same is true for H1-B's.
17:49 Jordach VanessaE, it's a good thing you didn't get bernie sanders
17:49 Jordach he's a dirt communist
17:49 VanessaE prosecute the ever-loving shit out of every company that employs someone that doesn't legally belong here.
17:49 sfan5 I am wondering how did the discussion change from kittens to politics to immigrants
17:49 VanessaE actually I wish we had.
17:49 Fixer lol
17:49 Jordach ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
17:49 garywhite I think that at least any illegal immigrants who commit a felony should be deported. Those who are here already should be given, say, 6 months to get their papers in order, or they get deported
17:50 VanessaE garywhite: 2 years I think is the minimum to become legal, isn't it?
17:50 Fixer "were Adam and Eve black transgender refugees?"
17:50 red-004 lol hexchat is droping one of the hands of the shrug ascii art
17:50 sfan5 Fixer: the answer is 70% yes if you ask that question at the right universities
17:50 red-004 ¯\_(ツ)
17:51 garywhite idk, but most of these people have been here for 2 years or more. I mean, for pete's sake, my grandmother said she has been hearing ads going in Spanish at the mall out here
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17:51 VanessaE garywhite: my point is, if you're going to set a deadline, it needs to be long enough to exceed whatever the original limit was, THEN you can start deporting.
17:51 Fixer it is just... some people in US still think it white race christian blabla, while it is not anymore
17:52 Jordach Fixer, Kalgeri Plan
17:52 twoelk we have announcements in large depertement stores in swedish in the summer on the german baltic coast
17:52 VanessaE Fixer: G*d forbid that should ever come to pass./
17:53 twoelk crime shouldn't be deported, it should be jailed - on the spot
17:53 Fixer i mean white supremacism (if i wrote it correctly)
17:53 VanessaE Fixer: that's actually a different issue
17:53 VanessaE we have both problems here
17:53 Fixer maybe, yes
17:53 VanessaE there's a lot of overlap between the two, though
17:54 garywhite don't blame me. I didn't vote (well, couldn't, I still got a few years for that)
17:54 VanessaE s/didn't/couldn't/  then
17:55 * twoelk smuggles in some black and some yellow and some mongrel kittens
17:55 VanessaE if you can vote and you don't...well...  I heavily favor the idea of fines and perhaps even jail time for people who refuse to vote.
17:55 garywhite I was doing a joke from that old Simpsons where Homer goes "Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos"
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17:56 Amaz Hello Krock :)
17:56 Krock hello Amaz
17:56 Amaz Still no 11 for you to compete with :(
17:56 Krock sadly, yes. I wonder what happened to him. nothing, I hope.
17:56 * twoelk smuggles in an illegal kitten of the waving paw kind
17:57 Amaz He was here this morning, but I think he was scared off :/ http://irc.minetest.net/minetes​t-project/2017-03-28#i_4841907
17:57 VanessaE Krock: signed off yesterday in the middle of the argument
17:57 Krock !tell rubenwardy FYI: the subgame name base_game is available now. Renamed my old piece of code to minibase_game, in case people out there would like to duplicate MTG and delete all mods
17:57 ShadowBot Krock: O.K.
17:58 Krock VanessaE, what? me?
17:58 VanessaE Krock: tenplus1
17:58 Krock too bad :(
17:58 garywhite He's still connected to IRC though
17:58 * Shara would love to see a proper base_game
17:58 VanessaE Shara: we tried that before.
17:59 VanessaE epic fail, as the old meme goes
17:59 Shara Fail based on what?
17:59 Shara Problem I saw seemed to be that no one could agree on what a base_game should be
17:59 Krock &whois shivajiva
17:59 Krock err
17:59 * Shara pokes Krock
17:59 Krock ^^
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18:01 VanessaE Shara: it just didn't work out at all well, because too many cross-requirements between the survival, creative, and base.
18:02 Shara Hmmm
18:02 VanessaE minetest_game works just fine as a base
18:02 Shara VanessaE: Personally I'm tired of it as a base, and think it should instead become a full game
18:02 VanessaE the problem isn't what the base is, the problem is subgame authors keeping it up-to-date with changes they make
18:03 VanessaE particularly if the changes they want to make are to the "base" game
18:03 thefamilygrog66 Sounds like I missed a forking drama earlier, anyway.
18:03 VanessaE e.g. little things like changing default colors, or let's say they want to override the default crafting grid size.
18:03 VanessaE those things tend to conflict with 'default' in ways that eventually result in merge conflicts
18:03 VanessaE this is why I stopped packaging dreambuilder as a subgame and went back to it being a modpack.
18:03 Shara But it's not too  important. At some point I'll start my own base game for my own use, and since it will just be for use on any servers I run, it won't matter too much what others think of it.
18:04 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: you missed a big knock-down, drag-out fight, and as for any fork, well...it'll die out the same as all the others did.
18:05 Shara There's much better answers to the sneak issue than a fork.
18:05 Shara But...
18:05 * Shara sighs again
18:05 thefamilygrog66 What's this "sneak issue", Shara?
18:05 twoelk https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9647 someone's been there and done that
18:06 Shara thefamilygrog66: Popcorn and read logs.
18:06 Amaz Lots of popcorn :)
18:06 red-004 your right to not vote is almost as important as your right to vote
18:06 twoelk sneak in, sneak out drama
18:06 Shara twoelk: Point is, I do my own, then it has just what I want and no fuss or drama or fighting involved with anyone :)
18:07 twoelk ah the definition of fork
18:07 Shara It's easy enough to delete some mods, insert some others, chop up a few more and.. there is the base game I want.
18:07 twoelk check Krocks version in the link
18:07 red-004 thefamilygrog66, the decs broke the sneak ladder and other well liked "bugs"
18:07 red-004 devs*
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18:08 Krock twoelk, that's actually how this base game dicussion came up :P
18:08 Shara twoelk: probably will at some point. but I kind of like the idea of making my own version
18:08 red-004 the changed was merged without that much disscussion which seems to be a major issue for some people
18:09 red-004 sneak ladders got re-added iirc but that caused new bugs and I heard that the bug all this was meant to fix is still possible
18:09 twoelk anyways <ownversion> is most rewarding fun, once it works out
18:09 Shara There's a lot of things in current MTG I like, but also a lot I don't care for very much.
18:10 Shara So I'd just adjust current most likely until it's what I want
18:10 Krock old bug -> fix -> new bug -> another bug -> bug #3 -> feature
18:10 Shara :)
18:11 red-004 really we might have been better off just leaving the bug as it is
18:11 * twoelk is trying to update the core of his subgames at the moment and desperately trying to automate things
18:12 thefamilygrog66 Dang it, sneak ladders were a feature, not a bug.
18:12 Shara thefamilygrog66: Careful you don't cause erruptions :)
18:13 * red-004 hides in a trench
18:13 thefamilygrog66 I'm speaking as a player of the game, and it was one of the cooler things possible in MT that couldn't be done in MC.
18:13 * sofar restrains himself
18:13 red-004 lol
18:13 sofar ITS A FUCKING FREE GAME
18:13 sofar OPEN SOURCE
18:13 VanessaE well they've been fixed so meh
18:13 sofar WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
18:13 VanessaE careful sofar
18:14 VanessaE you will get kick-banned for that.
18:14 * twoelk offers some purring kittens
18:14 Fixer JOIN INTO DEV TEAM @ BUT DON"T TOUCH THAT SNEAK FIXES @ FIX EVERYTHING ELSE THOUGH
18:14 VanessaE *childish gasp* mommy he said the f-word!
18:14 sofar perspective is entirely lost to some
18:14 sofar either we work together on making it easy to disable these bugs
18:14 sofar because it better be optional
18:14 * Shara hides
18:14 twoelk wanna stroke a kitten?
18:15 * red-004 stays in the trench
18:15 sofar and we better make it so that server operators can disable sneak ladders and all the bugs people call features
18:15 thefamilygrog66 Who decided it was a "bug" in the first place? Seriously.
18:15 sfan5 i did
18:15 sofar or many things won't be possible
18:15 Fixer twoelk: choke a kitten?
18:15 * Shara takes all the kittens with her
18:15 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: it always was a bug, to be fair
18:15 VanessaE it just happened to be a rather well-loved bug :P
18:15 twoelk can we amplify the purring sound?
18:15 sofar sneak bugs make it really hard to do things like restricting players in minigames to areas
18:15 thefamilygrog66 To players, yes, VanessaE
18:15 twoelk or have some tribbles?
18:16 Fixer well if minetest was Climbing Simulator 2011 I would agree about feature
18:16 Fixer with ropes and stuff
18:16 sofar forget creative builds, they're just one use of the engine
18:16 * twoelk throws some tribbles into the arena
18:17 sofar sneakjump/double jump needs to be OPTIONAL
18:17 sofar period
18:17 Fixer yes
18:17 Fixer agree
18:17 Shara Optional would be nice.
18:17 sofar all those exploits need to be capable of being disabled
18:17 sofar they're exploits, period
18:17 Shara But so far no dev found a new way to fully provide those features as an option.
18:17 Shara Unless I missed soemthing today
18:17 Shara And old code as an option has been outright refused.
18:17 thefamilygrog66 I guess my point is that maybe polling the folks who play the game regularly before removing unique "features" might be good practice.
18:18 sofar well sfan5 and others have been diligent on coding
18:18 twoelk https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi​a/en/5/50/ST_TroubleWithTribbles.jpg
18:18 sofar so let them code
18:18 Shara I know at least three devs have made some attempts.
18:18 sofar encourage them instead of pounding
18:18 sofar they're doing the actual work
18:18 Shara sofar: I've not pounded
18:18 sofar they're reasonable people
18:19 thefamilygrog66 Especially features that distinguish it from that other mining game...
18:19 sfan5 twoelk: i remember that episode
18:19 Shara I have spoken to and thanked them and encouraged them where I can
18:19 sofar Shara: ack, not talking about you here :)
18:19 sfan5 (from reruns not the original air obviously)
18:19 Shara sofar: Okay, thank you
18:19 sofar development is rough, things will break
18:19 VanessaE everyone here knows I'm grateful for the devs' efforts
18:19 Shara I've been trying to encourage many of those who are upset to wait.
18:19 sofar gawd knows sfan5's patience has been enormous
18:20 Jordach sofar, meow
18:20 Amaz The devs are all doing a great job :)
18:20 Amaz There seems to be a new pull related to sneak almost every day atm, which is awesome :)
18:20 sofar I also revolt against the idea that every commit needs to be perfect
18:20 sofar that
18:20 sofar will
18:20 sofar never
18:20 sofar happen
18:21 sofar sometimes there's some fall out
18:21 sofar sometimes a lot
18:21 Jordach sofar, almost there with the beds upgrade
18:21 Shara sofar: of course it won't. I don't even manage to produce stand-alone mods which are perfect on first attempt.
18:21 Fixer sofar: +1
18:21 Jordach i get pretty close with the perfection; according to sofar about my first attempt with my own beds
18:21 Jordach ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
18:21 sofar lol
18:21 * red-004 starts to hate hexchat
18:21 Fixer read this article, it can add some insights about other ways of development: https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/201​7/03/23/making-dungeon-crawl-stone-s​oup-with-253-cooks-and-no-head-chef/
18:22 Fixer also minetest_game 0.4.15-dev is not even close to Minecraft Alpha
18:22 Fixer it is better in some ways
18:22 Fixer but still purely a sandbox
18:23 sofar mtg is a disaster
18:23 sofar the proposed split is all wrong
18:23 VanessaE split?
18:23 red-004 split?
18:23 Amaz minebest
18:23 sofar split issue thread
18:23 Amaz I would guess
18:23 sofar no, not minebest
18:23 VanessaE oh that shit
18:23 VanessaE wait, what then?
18:23 Amaz Oh, sorry :)
18:23 Jordach WTS Solar plains Popcorn $0
18:23 * Shara feels lost as well
18:23 sfan5 Jordach: can i pay with €?
18:23 Jordach yes
18:24 VanessaE sofar: please don't tell me it's going to be a rehash of that common+survival+creative thing....
18:24 Fixer tbf minetest_game had a lot of progress since some time
18:24 sofar Fixer: no, it had more features, but it's still lackluster
18:24 Fixer just before i was thinking we will have "game" when there will be Minecraft ReReReMake in year 2127
18:24 Shara MTG is some weird place between a base game ot build on, and a real game
18:24 Shara to*
18:24 Amaz Minetest Game has come a long way in the last year. It's still rubbish, but it's much less rubbish than it was :P
18:25 Shara And in my opinion, end result isn't too suitable for either
18:25 Jordach and meanwhile i've been getting shit done by myself
18:25 Fixer also, try finding vanilla minetest server %)
18:25 Shara I'd like to see it become suitable though
18:25 VanessaE Shara: players on my servers would disagree.
18:25 VanessaE Fixer: does vanilla MT-Nostalgia count? :)
18:25 Shara VanessaE: Like I said, in my opinion
18:25 twoelk sofar, just remembered I wanted to respond to your geological excourse in the 1millionyearsago thread but trashed my essay because it became irrelevant
18:26 Fixer VanessaE: it has some blocks i don't remember in 0.2, like mud
18:26 * twoelk got lots of stones and fossils in his cellar
18:26 Shara I do like some of the things I see added to MTG in all fairness.
18:26 * Fixer too (except of fossils, well I have sandstone nearby with fossils if needed)
18:26 Jordach https://www.reddit.com/r/uwotm8
18:26 Jordach i stumbled on dank memes again
18:27 Fixer Jordach: wth is this?
18:27 sofar twoelk: lol
18:27 twoelk I think MTG  has indeed become a lot better
18:27 Shara I guess my major issue with it is... no real feeling of progression
18:28 twoelk I don't think that is for MTG to provide
18:28 Fixer Shara: new biomes and like 10 new blocks - thats as big as WWII in minetest
18:28 Shara Heh :)
18:28 Fixer huge advance
18:28 twoelk it should provide an easy system though to add  such
18:29 Shara I'm still waiting for coral to have a use
18:29 Fixer Shara: it has... as nice white wall
18:29 Shara >.>
18:29 Fixer i still miss coloured clay in default
18:29 sofar coloring will come
18:29 * twoelk once lived in a house built of old corals
18:29 Fixer kids seems to love this on hometown server it seems
18:29 sofar colored itemstacks are almost there
18:29 Fixer also
18:30 Fixer i watch a lot of lets place and a lot of known youtubers use coloured clay
18:30 Shara I'd probably hug whoever completes coloured item stacks, if it would not send them running :)
18:30 Fixer it is just easier to use, natural block sometimes much harder to properly use
18:30 Shara (note: I have no clue who is even working on it)
18:31 VanessaE Shara: have you tried the auto-coloring mode in unified dyes yet?
18:31 Shara not yet.
18:31 Shara Time in general is... low.
18:31 Amaz Shara: Have you seen this pull? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5407
18:31 Amaz That's adding coloured itemstacks :)
18:31 Shara Yay!
18:31 VanessaE Shara: if you have time to chat you have time to play ;)
18:32 Fixer looking forward for it
18:32 Shara I chat while studying
18:32 RobbieF I study while chatting
18:32 twoelk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasseef_House <- built of corall
18:32 * Shara could take a guess at what RobbieF 'studies'
18:33 Shara RobbieF: Does it start with b? :D
18:33 RobbieF haha! How'd you guess?
18:33 Shara I know you too well.
18:33 Shara Now everyone else will wonder :)
18:33 RobbieF You've created a monster.
18:33 Shara Yes, yes I have.
18:33 Shara I'm even a little proud of how quickly you are learning :)
18:34 RobbieF For those of curious nature, I'd be studying the way this swirls around the glass... http://wineenthusiast.scene7.com/is/ima​ge/WineEnthusiast/f/n/w/1500/21148.jpg
18:35 * twoelk remembers some nice blender animations of that
18:36 Jordach things minetest needs: https://i.imgur.com/4UgpxpP.jpg
18:36 Jordach Kappa
18:39 * twoelk wonders why he just now has this nice swirling wine on his mind
18:39 Fixer https://imgur.com/WpKhtQO ---- gets real
18:40 Jordach errrrr
18:42 Krock > "Made with Video to GIF"
18:42 Jordach https://gist.github.com/Jordach/​e291fb05f6c26b36431446a3413ef7e8
18:42 Krock > sees .mp4 file loaded
18:43 VanessaE sofar: so, regarding colored itemstacks...  I guess for UD I'll make it shift-dig to split the dug node into neutral+dye, otherwise you get the node directly into the inventory (and the engine has to handle the colorization from there)
18:43 Jordach ^ final version of my beds prototype
18:44 twoelk can players die in bed?
18:44 Jordach still targetable
18:44 Jordach can't change engine behaviour
18:44 twoelk and starving?
18:44 Jordach https://gist.github.com/Jordach/e291fb0​5f6c26b36431446a3413ef7e8#file-lua-L411
18:45 Jordach it's already handled
18:45 Jordach that deserial needs to be a pos_to_string
18:45 Jordach well, string to pos
18:45 Fixer "Velocirooster!"
18:45 Fixer loooooooool
18:46 Fixer now I want to finally read that XX books about history of Earth i -------
18:47 sofar it's pretty boring
18:47 sofar for the first 3 billion years not much happens
18:47 Jordach bit like intel in the early 80s
18:47 sofar not until 3.85 billion years after it's formed does it get interesting
18:48 twoelk hm, sunset and dawn are hardcoded?
18:48 sofar unless you're a hadean fan
18:48 twoelk wasn't there the possability to change day/night ratio?
18:48 Jordach twoelk, you can already
18:49 twoelk so you shouldn't hardcode that in your mod?
18:49 Jordach https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L3035
18:50 twoelk I mean if you have shorter nights 7pm might not always apply
18:51 twoelk for example
18:51 Jordach twoelk, i based it on the default ratio
18:52 twoelk I understand, but it is a configurable vallue, so it might clash with your hardcoded values
18:52 Jordach is per mod
18:52 Jordach realise that it's built for my own game
18:52 Fixer also top_quality minetest gameplay - you are invulnerable in boat or a cart, enjoy
18:53 twoelk so your game has a fixed day/night ratio?
18:53 Jordach no
18:53 Jordach no mod here changes it
18:53 twoelk hm
18:53 Jordach 7pm+ is a more realistic time to sleep at, compared with 6pm
18:54 Fixer and 4am for some other folks
18:54 twoelk nothing wrong with that
18:56 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/AHWepl8.jpg
18:56 Jordach well
18:56 Jordach you can sleep in the beds at any time of day
18:56 twoelk just thinking there is a value that can be configured and that might clash with youre mod being to static there
18:56 Jordach twoelk, the one in Minetest game is like that, as ewll
18:57 twoelk well, no one says MTG is perfect as discussed above ;-P
18:57 Fixer mtg is crippled for now
18:57 twoelk kittens sleep at any time of the day anyways
18:58 Fixer it is less cripled with time though
18:58 Fixer crip reduce
18:58 VanessaE crippled is not a good word for it
18:58 VanessaE maybe it lacks features, some say it lacks direction
18:58 VanessaE but it ain't crippled.
18:59 twoelk is there actually a variable that can be fetched for the events of dawn and sunset?
18:59 Fixer not englishman
18:59 Fixer lets call it dawn of minetest_game
19:00 Fixer slowpoke.png
19:00 twoelk dawn is nice , things get better
19:01 twoelk hopefully no one wants to call it dusk ofMTG
19:03 Fixer https://twitter.com/eatchildre​n_au/status/846683853917863936
19:03 VanessaE wat
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19:22 paramat i'd like to merge #5470 in a few hours since it's important, will do if no objections
19:22 paramat oops
19:23 paramat wrong channel
19:26 RobbieF Hehe, oh paramat, way to stir up shit.  :D
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19:32 VanessaE heh
19:36 celeron55 it's just about fixing sneaking bugs, what could go wrong
19:37 Jordach riots and hellfire
19:37 * Shara very carefully hides again
19:37 Amaz Another fork from people who like the new bugs :P
19:38 VanessaE dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria.
19:38 Shara I predict a whole cutlery set by the time we're done.
19:38 VanessaE hah
19:39 Shara VanessaE: Didn't the nyan issue possibly caus ethat already?
19:39 Shara cause that*
19:39 VanessaE yep :)
19:39 Amaz xD
19:39 Shara Yup, everyone put your arms in the air and run about sneselessly! It's time :)
19:40 Amaz Hasn't that been going on for a while now? :P
19:40 Amaz But you forgot the screaming part, Shara ;)
19:41 Shara Screaming seems like too much effort.
19:43 thefamilygrog66 "Fun is fun." - Millhouse
19:46 benrob0329 Its all fun and game, untill all hell breaks loose.
19:47 Calinou it's all fun and games, until somebody loses an eye
19:47 thefamilygrog66 I'm speaking to the game, not the infighting.
19:47 Calinou (I hope someone will get the reference)
19:48 Shara People who think old sneak makes game easy...  I just signed into my server and found dead players everywhere :D
19:49 * thefamilygrog66 's server is anything but easy
19:49 benrob0329 Tbh in starting to get used to new sneak
19:49 Shara Dark Land's first rule = Don't get angry if you die
19:50 thefamilygrog66 Ah, you run Dark Land, Shara. Cool.
19:50 Calinou when I was young and I played Minecraft, I was pretty upset when I died :(
19:50 Calinou (with lots of valuable items, of course)
19:50 OldCoder <VanessaE> *childish gasp* mommy he said the f-word!
19:50 Calinou it felt almost as bad as deleting important files from your PC
19:51 Shara thefamilygrog66: Yes, Dark Lands and Red Cat are my main servers
19:51 OldCoder VanessaE, trite isn't helpful
19:51 Shara Hi OldCoder
19:51 OldCoder Shara
19:51 benrob0329 hi OldCoder
19:51 OldCoder benrob0329
19:51 VanessaE OldCoder: in this case, it is.
19:52 thefamilygrog66 I run The Darkside, myself. I removed bones, and added a "dropdead" mod that randomly drops some of the player's items when they die. Kind of like MC, but only half as bad, more or less.
19:52 Shara thefamilygrog66: You drop evcerything other than armour and things in bags on DL
19:52 Shara I don't use bones either
19:53 thefamilygrog66 Hate the bones accumulation myself - makes the server look ugly
19:53 benrob0329 A hardcore server with banned on die would be fun
19:53 benrob0329 Ish
19:53 VanessaE there's a reason I disable bones in my servers :)
19:53 Calinou VanessaE: but how can I build a castle using only bones? :(
19:53 Shara benrob0329: Maybe temp ban
19:53 thefamilygrog66 I always thought you were pretty clever, VanessaE...
19:53 VanessaE Calinou: creative mode? :)
19:53 Calinou benrob0329: have fun getting any regulars on it :P
19:53 Calinou VanessaE: :P
19:53 Calinou benrob0329: all the noobs will be banned :P
19:54 Shara Calinou: I have a bones node drop as just a node
19:54 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: I think the word you're looking for is "stubborn" :)
19:54 benrob0329 I've seen whole roads built with bones
19:54 benrob0329 It was..morbid
19:54 thefamilygrog66 Hah! Granted, on Darkside when a player dies, a bones node is also dropped.
19:54 Shara thefamilygrog66: I might check it out sometime
19:54 Shara Any good buildings there?
19:55 thefamilygrog66 It takes a mighty long time to load intitially.
19:55 Shara Can you tell me connection info (scrolling about and not seeing it...)
19:55 thefamilygrog66 Shara, it's kind of hit and miss, though I had one player named 'yunus' who built an amazing medieval village that I copied, block at a time over to the new server
19:55 thefamilygrog66 darkside.zapto.org:30003
19:56 thefamilygrog66 It's um... different from most servers.
19:56 Shara I rarely have a chance to build anything these days
19:56 benrob0329 Calinou: no fly, teleport. Halfed crafting and inv
19:56 Shara But I like to wander servers and see nice buildings
19:56 benrob0329 Mobs everywhere
19:57 benrob0329 it'd br unfairly hard
19:57 benrob0329 *be
19:57 Jordach better solution
19:57 thefamilygrog66 Let me know when you're there, I can tp you to his village, Shara
19:57 benrob0329 Any building would be an accomplishment
19:57 VanessaE sfan5 (or anyone), in worldedit, is there a way to //stack something but making it ignore air in the source selection?
19:57 * Shara turned up mob damage and turned down armour protection for DL
19:58 Shara I was surprised when people played there anyway
19:58 VanessaE (to make it easy for example, to place a whole bunch of support pylons under a long, elevated bridge)
19:58 Shara thefamilygrog66: media is slow, as you said
19:58 thefamilygrog66 The first time loading takes forever, yes
19:59 Shara I'm in
20:00 benrob0329 In what? The Pentagon?
20:00 Jordach Shara, VanessaE make the bones mod save the first 5 items of your hotbar and the first 3 items of the second row
20:01 twoelk VanessaE: wasn't there a copy offset that could be missused?
20:01 VanessaE twoelk: damned if I can remember.
20:01 twoelk like first hilight 1 then 2 then4 then8 .....
20:01 VanessaE (by pylons, I mean the piers.  the vertical parts under the bridge that hold it up)
20:02 twoelk Ik
20:02 twoelk I made trees along roads like that - to not destroy stuff inbetween
20:03 twoelk forgot the details though
20:05 Shara Jordach: Why? I don't want to mak eit easier
20:06 Shara make it*
20:07 Jordach Shara, usually the first 4 slots are tools
20:10 Shara Jordach: All the more reason to not keep them
20:11 Jordach Shara, if you're like me and have emergency tool kits stashed about
20:11 Jordach then it's actually a waste on resources
20:14 Shara I feel that on a survival, death should actually cost you
20:15 Shara Players can stash resources in bags. The tools are the only thing a smart player will lose
20:18 VanessaE I never liked bags all that much; rather I sometimes wish we had a bigger default inventory than 8x4 :)
20:18 twoelk I don't mind difficult or harsh servers, as long as there still is a way back into the game
20:19 VanessaE (when you're building roads on a dreambuilder server, you need about 20 different nodes for the road, and you end with lots of "yard waste" in your inv too)
20:19 Shara twoelk: yea, kind of why I do have bags, though I do also at the same time dislike them in some ways
20:19 Shara Gamebalance is hard
20:19 Shara But it's also what I've worked on for things outside MT
20:20 VanessaE hm
20:20 Shara So picking and adjusting mods for DL turned into a lot of fun
20:20 VanessaE maybe what Unified Inventory needs is a way to auto-fill bags when the inventory gets full?
20:20 Shara Hmm, not sure.
20:20 VanessaE (and if you keep the inv stocked with only the stuff you're building with, the bags would then pick up all the waste)
20:20 Shara I'd love a way to auto-trash items I don't want :P
20:21 benrob0329 Set up a sorting system
20:22 VanessaE something I find myself doing frequently is shift-clicking several items to move them to the craft grid, then "trash" all, and move them back.  good way to clear the inv without losing the most important stuff
20:22 VanessaE (doesn't work in the road-building case though.  too many items for the craft grid to hold)
20:22 benrob0329 Trash some items, but put others in an "inv" chest
20:23 twoelk maybe individual trash button for each inventory line?
20:23 twoelk like trash everything in bottom row or such
20:24 VanessaE that could be useful.
20:25 Fixer trash all the things
20:30 * twoelk decides to visit a server he never was on before
20:31 RobbieF which one?
20:31 RobbieF I hope it starts with TPS-
20:31 RobbieF ;)
20:33 VanessaE it needs to start with VE- :)
20:34 RobbieF :D
20:34 RobbieF Yeah, they're alright too.  hehe
20:39 OldCoder twoelk, perhaps provide input related to bug fixes needed for Wuzzy's MC subgame.
20:40 OldCoder The location of a copy is: minetest.org port 30015
20:43 garywhite Shara, I think you should look at issue 5470 on the MT repository
20:43 garywhite They're fiddling with the sneak thing again
20:43 Shara garywhite: sneak is a bad word
20:43 garywhite sneak ladder
20:44 benrob0329 I stopped caring about it
20:44 benrob0329 I'm gettin used to it
20:44 benrob0329 Life will go on
20:44 Shara I've not stopped caring, but nothing can make it worse for me than it is ;)
20:44 Shara So I hope the devs do fiddle
20:44 paramat 5470 is a good PR that fixes bugs
20:45 sfan5 VanessaE: currently not no
20:45 * Shara will trust paramat :)
20:45 VanessaE sfan5: ok.
20:45 garywhite it looks like they're fixing bugs with the sneak ladder
20:46 paramat yes and more improvements will follow
20:46 Shara I'm ust sitting back and giving it time
20:47 Shara just*
20:47 Shara paramat and sfan5 and some others too are all trying to make things better from here.
20:57 Sokomine that's good to hear
20:58 Sokomine hmm. my client is in crashing-mode today...
20:59 benrob0329 Sokomine: do you watch Doctor Who?
21:00 benrob0329 I'm going to take a guess and say that you probably do, since you made the travelnet mod...
21:00 Sokomine benrob0329: not really. one of the newer versions was broadcasted here some years ago, but it was a bit too much horror for my taste
21:00 Sokomine i do know about dr who :-)
21:00 benrob0329 Some eps are more horror than others
21:00 Sokomine still, it's a german telephone cell and not the english one :) it's yellow, not blue :)
21:01 Sokomine (although the very function does give a hint that it is related to the tardis)
21:01 benrob0329 Some are very lighthearted and bright, others not so much
21:02 Sokomine the ones there where usually pretty dark. i wish i could see some of the earlier episodes
21:03 OldCoder Sokomine, the earlier episodes are widely available online and/or on DVDs
21:03 Sokomine hi oldcoder
21:03 OldCoder Some will seem tedious. But there are usually lively episodes when they kill off the old Doctors
21:04 OldCoder I will direct you to what is considered to be one of the best story arcs
21:04 * OldCoder was not a fan, but remembers the Doctor's dying words:
21:04 Sokomine online? for free? maybe in gb? elsewhere there's probably a geoblock. some streaming services will probably have them as well...but i havn'd decided yet to get one
21:04 OldCoder "This is the end. But the moment has been prepared for."
21:04 OldCoder Old people think about this sort of thing. Minute, please.
21:04 octacian What is self in Lua
21:05 OldCoder Actually, here is his death now
21:05 Sokomine the object itshelf i'd say. in the objectorientated part of lua. sometimes needed for accessing the player
21:05 OldCoder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3w-BHsXt4I
21:05 Sokomine ah. thank you oldcoder
21:06 benrob0329 Daily motion has many of them for dree
21:06 Amaz The episodes with the Third Doctor are some of the best, imo :)
21:06 benrob0329 *free
21:06 OldCoder YouTube
21:06 Sokomine poor doctor (however he dies). but at least he does come back
21:06 benrob0329 YouTube is ahrder to find the stiff
21:06 benrob0329 And I can't type today
21:07 octacian Sokomine: OK. Cause I'm making an HUD library which provides what I had attempted to call "self" to each callback function. It's essentially a table with functions to manipulate the HUD element
21:07 * benrob0329 is going to hopefully release alpha 1 of his tardis mod tomorrow
21:09 red-004 I though someone already made one?
21:09 behalebabo octacian: in lua, self typically refers to the table that the function belongs to, which is passed as the first function parameter. In objects, for example, on_step is passed the self parameter first
21:09 octacian hmmm
21:09 red-004 or was it that they released a mod and then lefted and removed it?
21:09 red-004 s/lefted/left
21:09 Sokomine hmpf. again...had to kill mt. perhaps i really ought to run it in debug mode...just wondering if something will come out of that. after all there's some blocking of the entire machine (more or less) when it happens
21:10 benrob0329 There was one, but its long dissapeared
21:10 octacian Well, how should I provide a table of functions for manipulating an object to all of the objects callbacks?
21:10 Sokomine benrob0329: a player called ila built a nice small tardis on xanandu. it's mostly a teleporter inside with a mini-wool-tardis, but such things are nice :-)
21:11 benrob0329 Indeed
21:12 benrob0329 I tried to bould one on game myself
21:12 benrob0329 Ended up destroying it with worldedit unfortunetly :-(
21:12 behalebabo octacian: is this object an entity, or just a lua table in memory?
21:14 octacian Just a Lua table. Managing HUD elements.
21:14 octacian I've implemented callbacks such as on_remove
21:14 octacian If the HUD element is removed, the function specified in on_remove is called
21:15 behalebabo so you'd like to be able to use things like: self:get_text()
21:15 behalebabo where self is the passed element that was removed
21:15 octacian Yep
21:15 octacian However, a better example would be on_step
21:15 behalebabo ok, I think you'll need to use metatables here
21:16 behalebabo when creating the HUD element table, give it a metatable that refers to some functions that operate on it
21:16 behalebabo I'll find some documentation about it
21:17 behalebabo from PIL: https://www.lua.org/pil/13.4.1.html
21:18 octacian behalebabo: this might give you an idea of what I'm doing https://gist.github.com/octacian/​aa321602b077cc8233659d56d2512844
21:18 octacian Essentially that's where I generate the table of functions
21:18 Sokomine benrob0329: sometimes if you have sufficient information in your debugfile you can restore buildings from that. i did that once
21:18 octacian e.g. set_offset(...)
21:18 Sokomine the house was gone - but my actions where recorded
21:19 benrob0329 I didn't have rollback enabled, unfortunately
21:19 behalebabo Using metatables you'd want to set the __index metamethod of each hud element table to search for the function name in the function table. In that function table you'd define those operations, which could then read the table as their first argument and work from that
21:20 octacian I think that for now I'm not going to worry about providing "self" right now, I should probably rework a few other things first, and plus, there's other ways to get the function table
21:20 octacian When I do get around to it though, I'll definitely have more questions.
21:26 octacian How can I register a function to be called whenever an entity dies?
21:26 octacian (I'm making a morph mod)
21:29 behalebabo I think you'd have to manually check health, there doesn't appear to be any entity on_death function, only a register_on_dieplayer
21:29 RobbieF Night all  :D
21:30 celeron55 write an engine issue or PR, that probably should be added
21:31 octacian behalebabo: I'm thinking I loop through every registered entity, save old on_punch, call, then if hp == 0 add to morph list
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21:45 benrob0329 Eeeaahh crap
21:47 benrob0329 My irc client errored out and didn't tell me..
21:48 benrob0329 What would be cool is if I can manage to make otnso thay you have to actually fly the tardus
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21:54 benrob0329 Hi Nathan
21:58 Nathans21 Hi beb
21:58 Nathans21 Ben
21:58 Nathans21 Sorry, on my phone.
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23:24 Fixer https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=17113 kek or not?
23:25 Fixer someone rewrites minetest client with Urhosharp game engine
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