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https://imgur.com/a/FztC4Kg you can now use the skycolor from skybox and plain as fog for regular skyboxes |
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paramat |
!tell tumeninodes please restrain offtopic on -hub |
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MinetestBot |
paramat: I'll pass that on when tumeninodes is around |
| 04:27 |
paramat |
!tell tenplus1 please restrain offtopic on -hub. you've had many warnings and kicks but repeatedly and conciously break the rules, i'll move to temp bans soon |
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MinetestBot |
paramat: I'll pass that on when tenplus1 is around |
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paramat |
!tell benrob0329 please restrain offtopic on -hub |
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MinetestBot |
paramat: I'll pass that on when benrob0329 is around |
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sofar |
I'm so fedup with your policing of this channel |
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paramat |
sofar i'm just applying the channel rules, and am quite lenient. ask Shara (channel admin), she has given me her support for how i uphold the rules |
| 05:09 |
sofar |
you're not here. You show up hours after the fact issuing warnings to people who are afk or offline, and you're achieving nothing except looking like you're just here to issue warnings |
| 05:09 |
sofar |
and then you log off again |
| 05:10 |
sofar |
either be a part of this channel, or read the logs |
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| 05:18 |
paramat |
i couldn't be here at the time because i was asleep. there's no problem with sending warnings afterwards, it's that or nothing. i'm not here to just issue warnings, you know i participate fully in the channel (when my sleep pattern isn't messed up), and do so more than you do. if i log off again it's for a reason (afk long time, suspending computer). you're being irrational |
| 05:31 |
paramat |
hmm i guess i could wait until i see the person in-channel, but that requires a lot of time and waiting, and making note of who to talk to, quite a lot of hassle. if someone breaks the rules then i don't think they can complain about the lack of in-person warning, they're in the wrong, although i understand a sent message isn't quite as nice as in-person. so i take your point |
| 05:33 |
paramat |
a bigger problem is those moderators who break the rules or speak against them, one moderator is the worst offender. maybe you should also direct your criticism to these people too |
| 05:34 |
paramat |
anyway, i'll talk to shara about it |
| 05:54 |
paramat |
hm yesterday you were present during that very long offtopic and didn't mention the rules, whos the better moderator? ;) |
| 06:02 |
sofar |
the one who was present |
| 06:14 |
VanessaE |
paramat, or if you can't be here to intervene live, you could just.... you know... not say anythong about it. |
| 06:14 |
sofar |
if you want to build a community, you need to let people be people and let them build cohesion and relationships, and those can and will be diverse and different |
| 06:15 |
sofar |
otherwise you get a vacuous chat that is unattractive and undesired |
| 06:16 |
sofar |
if it disturbs ontopic discussions in a structural way, sure, but people who are attempting to be positive influences and help out should be embraced, even if it does mean the occasional offtopic discussion is permitted |
| 06:17 |
VanessaE |
and if thd rules are being bent, so what? if noone is bothered by.... |
| 06:17 |
VanessaE |
yeah ^ |
| 06:19 |
nore |
+1 |
| 06:28 |
VanessaE |
besides, as long as you're singling him out, I've never seen tenplus1 do anythinb especially egregious in here |
| 06:28 |
VanessaE |
... |
| 06:29 |
VanessaE |
paramat, get a bouncer already. znc, quassel, weechat... SOMEthing...... |
| 06:31 |
VanessaE |
meanwhile, minetestbot needs a "forget message |
| 06:31 |
VanessaE |
" command. |
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| 07:10 |
paramat |
i suggest you argue that the rules are changed, instead of attacking the only person who is applyng them. don't attack the police because you don't like the law |
| 07:11 |
paramat |
VanessaE please stop telling me i can't chat here, it's extremely rude |
| 07:12 |
VanessaE |
um... |
| 07:12 |
VanessaE |
i never said ypu |
| 07:12 |
paramat |
i don't mind if the rules are changed, so do that, i'm only applying them, with the full support of the channel admin, Shara |
| 07:12 |
VanessaE |
... |
| 07:12 |
VanessaE |
i never said you cant chat here |
| 07:13 |
paramat |
oh hang on, "you could just.... you know... not say anythong about it." sorry |
| 07:13 |
paramat |
you mean let the chat be, ok |
| 07:13 |
VanessaE |
and, you are NOT "the police" |
| 07:13 |
paramat |
it's a metaphor |
| 07:13 |
VanessaE |
and yeah, jusy let it be |
| 07:14 |
paramat |
sorry i misunderstood you |
| 07:14 |
VanessaE |
ok. |
| 07:15 |
paramat |
sofar what you wrote last is reasonable, but that is an argument for changing the rules, that has nothing to do with a mod being a good mod and enforcing them, when most other mods (you) are not |
| 07:15 |
VanessaE |
bottom line: dont enforce what youre not here to experience unless, someone complains of course |
| 07:15 |
paramat |
no |
| 07:15 |
paramat |
i can't be here 24hrs, so applying rules after the fact is the only way |
| 07:15 |
sofar |
honestly, paramat, that attitude shows little flexibility and that is perhaps why I don't like it |
| 07:15 |
paramat |
or i mean, is fine |
| 07:16 |
paramat |
and if my time on IRC doesn't coincide with those who break the rules, moderating by message is the only way and is also fine |
| 07:16 |
VanessaE |
paramat then let someone else handle it if youre away. |
| 07:17 |
paramat |
rules can't be flexible, otherwise they're pointless |
| 07:17 |
paramat |
why should i be present to apply rules, makes no sense |
| 07:18 |
VanessaE |
inflexible rules are useless and do not encourage a good experience. |
| 07:18 |
sofar |
honestly I'm somewhat shocked you're saying that |
| 07:18 |
paramat |
the offtopic makes reading logs and keeping up with MT discussion irritating |
| 07:18 |
sofar |
and with that, I'm going to bed |
| 07:18 |
VanessaE |
i'm saying stop acting like youre the only person who can enfprce tiles |
| 07:18 |
VanessaE |
er |
| 07:19 |
VanessaE |
enforce rules |
| 07:19 |
paramat |
ok ... what do you mean by flexible in this context? i don't couint lines, i only make a fuss when it goes on for pages |
| 07:19 |
VanessaE |
i mean basically sometimes *who cares* |
| 07:20 |
sofar |
perhaps we should just stop logging then |
| 07:20 |
paramat |
VanessaE i am not acting like i'mthe only person who can enforce rules, any mod can, i have never given that impression, that's insulting |
| 07:20 |
VanessaE |
if the channel is otherwise idle, who gives a shit if someone goes off topic |
| 07:20 |
paramat |
the channel wasn't otherwise idle yesterday |
| 07:21 |
VanessaE |
you ARE |
| 07:21 |
VanessaE |
damn this phone |
| 07:21 |
paramat |
you're talking rubbish again and are very rude |
| 07:21 |
VanessaE |
i give up. |
| 07:21 |
paramat |
like i said, change the rules and i'll be fine with that, go talk to Shara about it |
| 07:22 |
VanessaE |
wny bother? im rude. so fuck it. |
| 07:23 |
paramat |
if the channel is 90% offtopic like it used to be, it's a pain for those who are here to chat about MT *which is the purpose of the channel* |
| 07:24 |
paramat |
Shara is also fed up with tenplus1 acting like this is his personal chat channel |
| 07:25 |
paramat |
i'm the only mod here who applies the rules, and i get insults and attacks, whereas the others break the rules and that's ok |
| 07:27 |
VanessaE |
you get "attacks" because you come back in *hours later* to conplain. |
| 07:27 |
VanessaE |
NO ONE likes that. |
| 07:28 |
VanessaE |
and then, its over what you saw in the logs, not even scrollback |
| 07:29 |
paramat |
there's nothing wrong with moderating afterwards, i was asleep |
| 07:29 |
VanessaE |
AND you dont stick around for your target's response |
| 07:29 |
paramat |
i read logs |
| 07:30 |
paramat |
i see the responses |
| 07:30 |
VanessaE |
not even the same |
| 07:30 |
VanessaE |
a rebuttal requires a two-way exchange |
| 07:31 |
VanessaE |
logs + minetestbot is NOT equivalent |
| 07:32 |
paramat |
ok ... lets ask Shara, let her decide. if decided i will only moderate when i'm in channel |
| 07:32 |
paramat |
as i said, if the rules are changed i'm ok with that |
| 07:34 |
paramat |
however, this will mean a return to 90% offtopic, the channel is primarily for discussing MT, we have another channel for offtopic chat |
| 07:35 |
BuckarooBanzai |
(me trying to change the subject) so i saw that lately: https://gitlab.com/VanessaE/pipeworks/blob/master/luaentity.lua#L73 is that even efficient? i'm calculating around 2M iterations with active block range 1 and 20 players with this... :P |
| 07:35 |
nerzhul |
for the userbase problem, 7000 active installation will goes to 0.5.0. The better thing is the android userbase moving and the regular too, with a good communication before releasing, at least starting when feature freeze starts |
| 07:36 |
nerzhul |
this will permit userbase & server owners to move together |
| 07:36 |
paramat |
and i'm sorry that others are offended by moderation afterwards and by message, i only consider that very slightly impolite |
| 07:39 |
paramat |
!tell Shara see http://irc.minetest.net/minetest-hub/2018-12-12#i_5456929 onwards |
| 07:39 |
MinetestBot |
paramat: yeah, yeah |
| 07:39 |
VanessaE |
where i come from, its highly impolite, to put it mildly. |
| 07:40 |
paramat |
well it's down to IRC culture, not country |
| 07:40 |
VanessaE |
it happens in real life too, you know... |
| 07:41 |
paramat |
perhaps i'm moderating too efficiently :) |
| 07:41 |
paramat |
there's no real life analogy |
| 07:42 |
VanessaE |
"government which governs least, governs best", or some words to that effect |
| 07:43 |
VanessaE |
pretty sure that's a quote, if mangled, from one of the US's founders |
| 07:43 |
paramat |
nope, that's right wing, it's a balance |
| 07:44 |
VanessaE |
so yeah, real life equiv. |
| 07:44 |
paramat |
it's also a very weak analogy |
| 07:44 |
VanessaE |
doesnt matter. just "butt-out" :P |
| 07:46 |
paramat |
anyway, it's not worth it even though i think it's ok, so i'll stop moderating unless i'm here from now on |
| 07:49 |
VanessaE |
+1 |
| 07:50 |
paramat |
*sigh* |
| 07:50 |
paramat |
this is where i post a charlie brown image |
| 07:52 |
paramat |
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/8b/28/4f/8b284fcbaca2c167d258e04e4658d549--peanuts-comics-snoopy-peanuts.jpg |
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paramat |
!tell sofar i was wrong to generalise and say inflexible rules are pointless, that was meant to be specific and in context, sorry |
| 08:39 |
MinetestBot |
paramat: I'll pass that on when sofar is around |
| 08:42 |
nerzhul |
docker server image now works properly |
| 08:42 |
nerzhul |
https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/119752/49857177-2cc7ba80-fdf2-11e8-8e85-07e1ceae0a44.png |
| 08:42 |
nerzhul |
just pulled it on my laptop at works and it works fine heh |
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BuckarooBanzai |
nerzhul: there are official docker images? :O |
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nerzhul |
now yes, but let me polishing them and the doc |
| 09:54 |
nerzhul |
but yes |
| 09:55 |
nerzhul |
Because we need to document the persistent volumes and how to manage the configuration, else nothing is persistent |
| 09:55 |
nerzhul |
but yes it's nice to scale your servers easily :p |
| 10:02 |
BuckarooBanzai |
uhm, i don't think scaling will be possible just with a docker image, you can't deploy multiple containers to speed up your server, or am i missing something? :/ |
| 10:16 |
nerzhul |
no you can't but if you have multiple instances on multiple servers you can do easier deployment of mt server and the commit you want |
| 10:19 |
BuckarooBanzai |
yeah, thats pretty useful, i rolled my own back when i started with the server stuff: https://git.rudin.io/docker/minetest-docker |
| 10:26 |
BuckarooBanzai |
working on a webmail mod (extension of cheapie's mail mod) for minetest: http://i.imgur.com/yFHfXxV.png |
| 10:29 |
nerzhul |
BuckarooBanzi: docker pull registry.gitlab.com/minetest/minetest/server:master |
| 10:38 |
BuckarooBanzai |
nerzhul: only x86 i assume :) what about arm and consorts? |
| 10:51 |
nerzhul |
no gitlab runner for arm64 sorry |
| 10:51 |
nerzhul |
you can take the docker file and use arm64v8/debian:stretch it should work as intended |
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CWz |
anyone know good alternatives to openmailbox.org |
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nerzhul |
wow openssh server will be on windows server 2019, next step windows server 2019 without windows |
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Fixer |
nerzhul: microsoft linux |
| 13:47 |
IcyDiamond |
elepower supports basic_materials now |
| 13:55 |
IcyDiamond |
the road to less duplicated items! |
| 13:58 |
* rubenwardy |
vomits |
| 13:59 |
rubenwardy |
:) |
| 13:59 |
IcyDiamond |
? |
| 13:59 |
rubenwardy |
I don't like basic_materials |
| 13:59 |
rubenwardy |
I wonder if there's a way to make basic_materials only add items when they're needed |
| 13:59 |
IcyDiamond |
elepower doesnt hard depend on it |
| 14:00 |
rubenwardy |
my 2 issues for it are: |
| 14:00 |
rubenwardy |
- adds loads of content which may never be used |
| 14:00 |
rubenwardy |
- tons of unrelated content in the same mod |
| 14:00 |
IcyDiamond |
https://gitlab.icynet.eu/evert/elepower/blob/master/elepower_dynamics/compat/basic_materials.lua |
| 14:00 |
rubenwardy |
it's less bad if acts as an intermediary to resolve item dependencies |
| 14:00 |
Fixer |
yeah, one more external dependancy :} |
| 14:00 |
rubenwardy |
and if it doesn't add crafts for things that aren't used |
| 14:00 |
rubenwardy |
I don't mind dependencies |
| 14:01 |
rubenwardy |
I think mods should have more dependencies |
| 14:01 |
rubenwardy |
also, IcyDiamond: https://github.com/rubenwardy/oil/ |
| 14:01 |
Fixer |
minecraft uses dictionaries for that, you can use as much gears as you want, dude, you can replace them in crafting grid, yet they will still work |
| 14:02 |
IcyDiamond |
rubenwardy: nice! |
| 14:02 |
IcyDiamond |
rubenwardy: i might use that in elepower :) |
| 14:02 |
rubenwardy |
but, ideally basic_materials would allow you to have plastic without caring where it comes from - whether that be technic, or homedecor, or oil, or w/e |
| 14:02 |
rubenwardy |
oil optionally depends on basic_materials to replace some things |
| 14:03 |
rubenwardy |
I'm hoping to add a distillation machine, but don't know of any good finite pipe mods |
| 14:03 |
rubenwardy |
basically, I want it to be like this: InputTank(s) >-- Distiller --< OutputTanks |
| 14:04 |
rubenwardy |
pipeworks doesn't handle finite amounts of liquid |
| 14:04 |
rubenwardy |
Unarelith: no, good fluid pipes |
| 14:04 |
IcyDiamond |
fluid_lib is just an interface for my mods to use node_io |
| 14:05 |
Unarelith |
btw, rubenwardy, does smartfs have 100% formspec feature coverage? |
| 14:05 |
IcyDiamond |
node_io is the "standard" im supporting |
| 14:06 |
IcyDiamond |
fluid_lib also has a bucket modification that allows the insertion and extraction of fluids from node_io supported nodes |
| 14:06 |
rubenwardy |
no lol |
| 14:06 |
rubenwardy |
I don't maintain smartfs any more |
| 14:06 |
rubenwardy |
it has good coverage though |
| 14:06 |
IcyDiamond |
elepower_fapi has fluid ducts |
| 14:07 |
IcyDiamond |
also uses node_io callbacks |
| 14:08 |
IcyDiamond |
rubenwardy: please use node_io, dont reinvent the wheel again |
| 14:08 |
rubenwardy |
sounds good |
| 14:08 |
rubenwardy |
!mod node_io |
| 14:08 |
MinetestBot |
rubenwardy: Node-IO API [node_io] WIP by auouymous - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=20624 |
| 14:08 |
rubenwardy |
Does elepower/fluids/etc provide anything that may reach my needs? |
| 14:09 |
rubenwardy |
I just want a temporary solution really |
| 14:09 |
rubenwardy |
before something like this is implemented: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=21455 |
| 14:09 |
IcyDiamond |
what do you mean by reach your needs? |
| 14:09 |
Unarelith |
rubenwardy, elepower has a fluidpipe |
| 14:09 |
Unarelith |
and tanks |
| 14:10 |
rubenwardy |
I want users to place buckets into one or more input tanks to fill them |
| 14:10 |
rubenwardy |
Pipes should drain these tanks based on demand from the distiller |
| 14:10 |
rubenwardy |
The distiller then produces different liquids, and sends them out of more pipes |
| 14:10 |
rubenwardy |
These pipes are then go to more tanks |
| 14:10 |
rubenwardy |
And it should be finite - no way to create more liquid than you start with |
| 14:10 |
rubenwardy |
Pipework's tanks are decorational |
| 14:10 |
IcyDiamond |
just implement node_io callbacks and you already support elepower |
| 14:10 |
Unarelith |
You can do all this with fluid_lib/elepower |
| 14:10 |
IcyDiamond |
xD |
| 14:11 |
rubenwardy |
<Unarelith> You can do all this with fluid_lib/elepower\ |
| 14:11 |
rubenwardy |
This is what I wanted to know :D |
| 14:11 |
IcyDiamond |
Unarelith: do not advocate fluid_lib |
| 14:11 |
Unarelith |
btw, rubenwardy, I was wondering, why not introduce a full-featured smartfs in builtin for 5.0.0? |
| 14:11 |
IcyDiamond |
fluid_lib is merely a convenience interface for node_io |
| 14:11 |
IcyDiamond |
easy way to register fluid buffers |
| 14:12 |
rubenwardy |
so, to summarise: as a modder, I'll be using node_io to define an interface for my distiller. Elepower and Co will then be installed to implement that liquid flowing which provides tanks and pipes etc |
| 14:12 |
rubenwardy |
so my mods will use node_io, but I'll also include elepower to implement it |
| 14:12 |
rubenwardy |
node_io is nice, but I also like it working :) |
| 14:12 |
IcyDiamond |
yeah, or any future node_io supported mod |
| 14:12 |
IcyDiamond |
elepower_fapi is the mod that does fluid transfer |
| 14:13 |
IcyDiamond |
elepower_dynamics registers a duct and extractor |
| 14:13 |
IcyDiamond |
xD |
| 14:13 |
rubenwardy |
sweet :D |
| 14:14 |
rubenwardy |
Unarelith: because it doesn't solve the main problems with formspecs (inconsistent co-ordinates), and I'd rather spend my time elsewhere |
| 14:15 |
Unarelith |
rubenwardy, adding this solves other problems though, and it doesn't have to be you |
| 14:16 |
Unarelith |
a Lua API would help starting formspec deprecation, for sure |
| 14:16 |
IcyDiamond |
#minetest.get_node_drops(nodename, toolname) |
| 14:16 |
IcyDiamond |
Returns list of item names. |
| 14:16 |
IcyDiamond |
Note: This will be removed or modified in a future version. |
| 14:16 |
IcyDiamond |
why is it goiung to be removed |
| 14:16 |
IcyDiamond |
i have used this function many many times |
| 14:16 |
rubenwardy |
there's an alternative |
| 14:16 |
rubenwardy |
I think |
| 14:17 |
rubenwardy |
maybe get_item_drops |
| 14:18 |
IcyDiamond |
no such thing |
| 14:18 |
Unarelith |
you can get drops with minetest.registered_nodes[nodename].drops |
| 14:18 |
IcyDiamond |
yeah but i dont feel like calculating the rarities and whatever myself |
| 14:19 |
Unarelith |
yep |
| 14:19 |
IcyDiamond |
in every mod i need to get drops from nodes |
| 14:20 |
IcyDiamond |
im working on a magic mod right now |
| 14:20 |
Unarelith |
IcyDiamond, based on which Minecraft mod(s) ? :p |
| 14:20 |
IcyDiamond |
older thaumcraft |
| 14:21 |
Unarelith |
Niceee *-* |
| 14:21 |
IcyDiamond |
at least some inspiration drawn from there |
| 14:21 |
Unarelith |
I was planning to work on something like Botania |
| 14:21 |
IcyDiamond |
do it |
| 14:21 |
IcyDiamond |
should be doable |
| 14:21 |
IcyDiamond |
for the most part |
| 14:21 |
Unarelith |
don't worry I will, I just need to finish fromscratch and quest_lib |
| 14:22 |
Unarelith |
quest_lib is the main problem though, formspecs are a pain |
| 14:22 |
IcyDiamond |
i generally dont like working on the same thing for a long time in a row |
| 14:22 |
IcyDiamond |
so i create other mods in the meantime |
| 14:22 |
Unarelith |
me neither, but these mods are not enough structured to let them go now :p |
| 14:24 |
IcyDiamond |
XD |
| 14:24 |
Unarelith |
formspec API is a bit sketchy: https://github.com/Quent42340/FromScratch/wiki/API-Documentation |
| 14:24 |
Unarelith |
s/formspec/fromscratch |
| 14:25 |
IcyDiamond |
https://i.lunasqu.ee/Screenshot_18-12-12-16:25:32.png |
| 14:26 |
Unarelith |
:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD |
| 14:26 |
rubenwardy |
I actually quite like formspecs |
| 14:27 |
rubenwardy |
sometimes |
| 14:27 |
IcyDiamond |
formspec animations when |
| 14:27 |
rubenwardy |
mostly nostalgia |
| 14:27 |
rubenwardy |
<Jordach> hold my beer |
| 14:28 |
rubenwardy |
I don't see it being worth introducing another API for formspecs |
| 14:28 |
rubenwardy |
The easiest approach is to implement a new GUI system with a totally different API |
| 14:28 |
rubenwardy |
and keep formspecs alongside |
| 14:29 |
rubenwardy |
and then eventually remove formspecs and have a compatibility layer with some bugs |
| 14:29 |
IcyDiamond |
+1 |
| 14:32 |
Unarelith |
rubenwardy, what would be the exact requirements of this new GUI system? |
| 14:32 |
rubenwardy |
see the issue |
| 14:33 |
rubenwardy |
but I'd like there to be a container system with Stacks/Frames/Grids |
| 14:33 |
rubenwardy |
and consistent co-ordinates |
| 14:33 |
rubenwardy |
and theming |
| 14:33 |
IcyDiamond |
yes pls |
| 14:34 |
rubenwardy |
although, game GUIs are different from program GUIs |
| 14:34 |
rubenwardy |
maybe such a container system doesn't make sense |
| 14:35 |
Unarelith |
I already read that issue, that's exactly what I think about it |
| 14:35 |
rubenwardy |
but some parent-child thing would be nice, so you could add arbitrary elements to tables, for example |
| 14:35 |
Unarelith |
using a full-featured GUI is useless, we could just write our own thing and make things easier |
| 14:35 |
rubenwardy |
also, some split between layout and data would be nice |
| 14:36 |
rubenwardy |
currently I find myself having to update the layout, which results in fields being reset |
| 14:37 |
Unarelith |
well, what I have in mind is something between smartfs and Qt |
| 14:38 |
Unarelith |
but if I ever decide to work on something like this, we'll need to discuss what GUI elements are required |
| 14:39 |
IcyDiamond |
i wonder how i could do magic attacks |
| 14:39 |
IcyDiamond |
since particles dont have collision callbacks |
| 14:39 |
rubenwardy |
entities? |
| 14:39 |
Unarelith |
IcyDiamond, then just throw an entity |
| 14:39 |
IcyDiamond |
some sort of raycasting solution could work |
| 14:39 |
IcyDiamond |
oh |
| 14:39 |
IcyDiamond |
hmm |
| 14:39 |
Amaz |
An invisible entity with a particle spawner attached? |
| 14:40 |
rubenwardy |
hey Amaz |
| 14:40 |
Amaz |
Hello :) |
| 14:41 |
ANAND |
Qt might be overkill for an in-game GUI |
| 14:42 |
Unarelith |
ANAND, between smartfs and Qt* |
| 14:42 |
Unarelith |
Qt is obviously overkill |
| 14:42 |
ANAND |
Right |
| 14:47 |
rubenwardy |
I'm glad to see so much work being done for electronics and such recently |
| 14:47 |
IcyDiamond |
Tk |
| 14:47 |
rubenwardy |
mesecons needs some competitors |
| 14:47 |
IcyDiamond |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tk_(software) |
| 14:50 |
ANAND |
Tk seems to have a lot of builtin elements while not being bloated |
| 14:51 |
nerzhul |
cef3 and that's all :D |
| 14:55 |
IcyDiamond |
NO |
| 14:55 |
IcyDiamond |
absolutely not |
| 14:56 |
IcyDiamond |
cef is literal bloatware |
| 14:56 |
IcyDiamond |
xD |
| 14:56 |
ANAND |
https://github.com/vurtun/nuklear |
| 14:56 |
ANAND |
*Very* lightweight |
| 14:57 |
IcyDiamond |
ooh |
| 14:57 |
IcyDiamond |
thats neat |
| 14:57 |
IcyDiamond |
i +1 that |
| 14:57 |
rubenwardy |
to avoid a bikeshedding, it's probably best to discuss the requirements and draft an API first |
| 14:59 |
Unarelith |
+1 rubenwardy |
| 14:59 |
ANAND |
Agreed, sounds good. |
| 15:02 |
Jordach |
rubenwardy, what was that ping for |
| 15:02 |
rubenwardy |
it was a quote of something you said a while back |
| 15:04 |
rubenwardy |
http://irc.minetest.net/minetest-hub/2017-11-10#i_5133410 |
| 15:04 |
rubenwardy |
thought it was regarding set_sky though |
| 15:17 |
Jordach |
you mean what atmos does right now ;D |
| 15:18 |
rubenwardy |
if it was set_sky, then I'd have been holding your beer for over a year |
| 15:21 |
Jordach |
may've been me fixing the hard transitions |
| 15:21 |
Jordach |
which i've done since |
| 15:22 |
* Jordach |
rebases the almost fully polished set_sky |
| 15:22 |
Jordach |
59 files changed, 91791 insertions(+), 44507 deletions(-) upstream pls |
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| 15:25 |
IhrFussel |
nerzhul, does this comment help with the Android 4/5 issues? https://github.com/android-ndk/ndk/issues/714#issuecomment-395093383 |
| 15:27 |
rubenwardy |
looks like the issue is due to the changed targert version?# |
| 15:28 |
rubenwardy |
do we build gmp ourselves? Could we just add a patch to remove all references to err? |
| 15:28 |
Unarelith |
rubenwardy, what's the actual issues with Irrlicht built-in GUI? I checked a bit and it seems quite extensible and themable (wouldn't have thought of that) |
| 15:29 |
rubenwardy |
well, the devs themselves don't recommend using it |
| 15:29 |
Unarelith |
oh really :') |
| 15:29 |
rubenwardy |
they claim it's for prototyping |
| 15:30 |
* rubenwardy |
needs to get around to adding more formspec theming |
| 15:35 |
rubenwardy |
part of the problem with formspecs is how terrible the code is for them |
| 15:35 |
rubenwardy |
there's no OOP |
| 15:35 |
rubenwardy |
ideally, you'd have a very skinny base class with a factory dispatcher |
| 15:36 |
rubenwardy |
ie, "button[a,b;c]" would cause it to look up "button" and call Button({ "a,b", "c" }) |
| 15:36 |
rubenwardy |
then you could share co-ordinate systems and such better |
| 15:37 |
rubenwardy |
with either inheritence or components |
| 15:37 |
rubenwardy |
(this is refering to gui/formspec.cpp) |
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| 15:43 |
Jordach |
"claim" |
| 15:43 |
Unarelith |
rubenwardy, can I do a code architecture rework on formspecs before 5.0.0 or should I wait for that too? |
| 15:44 |
rubenwardy |
I'd wait until afwards |
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| 15:47 |
Unarelith |
that's sad |
| 15:49 |
IcyDiamond |
how do i determine if an entity has collided with a node |
| 15:55 |
rubenwardy |
a common approach is to check for unexpected changes in velocity |
| 15:56 |
rubenwardy |
bit hacky |
| 15:56 |
rubenwardy |
I hate everything |
| 15:56 |
rubenwardy |
Minetest sucks |
| 15:56 |
rubenwardy |
:d |
| 15:56 |
IcyDiamond |
XD |
| 16:01 |
jas_ |
this is how i do it :'( https://github.com/jastevenson303/Glitchtest/blob/master/mods/jas0/classes.lua#L53 |
| 16:01 |
jas_ |
(copied from mobs_redo arrow code) |
| 16:04 |
IcyDiamond |
yeah i got a solution as well |
| 16:04 |
jas_ |
what do you do? unexpected changes in velocity? |
| 16:04 |
IcyDiamond |
no |
| 16:04 |
IcyDiamond |
just not a physical entity |
| 16:04 |
IcyDiamond |
and get_node |
| 16:05 |
IcyDiamond |
oh yeah and i use get_objects_inside_radius for damaging |
| 16:06 |
jas_ |
fun, fun |
| 16:07 |
IcyDiamond |
how do i make it invisible |
| 16:08 |
jas_ |
what's that? the entity? |
| 16:08 |
IcyDiamond |
yea |
| 16:08 |
jas_ |
textures = {"[combine:16x16"} ? |
| 16:08 |
jas_ |
or empty.png |
| 16:09 |
jas_ |
(same thing, i found out.) |
| 16:09 |
jas_ |
not sure about any side effects, but thought it was interesting |
| 16:10 |
jas_ |
and for nametag on players, it shows their name if nametag name is "", so i did "\n" and that worked |
| 16:23 |
IhrFussel |
jas_, player:set_nametag_attributes({color=0x00000000}) |
| 16:23 |
jas_ |
oh i didn't do it like that |
| 16:24 |
jas_ |
i just did player:set_nametag_attributes({name = "\n"}) |
| 16:24 |
IhrFussel |
It preserves the name if you need it later |
| 16:24 |
jas_ |
oh huh, didn't think of that |
| 16:24 |
jas_ |
but this is for player objects |
| 16:24 |
jas_ |
so i think it's preserved |
| 16:24 |
jas_ |
good point tho, and thanks for the tip |
| 16:26 |
IhrFussel |
My call only sets the alpha and doesn't touch the name itself so I think it's the prefered method |
| 16:26 |
jas_ |
yep, and then you just change the opacity back when you want |
| 16:26 |
jas_ |
good call |
| 16:26 |
IhrFussel |
Some core dev once told me about it |
| 16:27 |
jas_ |
this was the first i tried, i was pleasantly surprised. i was afraid i'd have had to resort to player_transfer_distance |
| 16:27 |
jas_ |
which isn't per-player anyway |
| 16:28 |
IhrFussel |
I have a /hide on my server which uses exactly that call above and it works flawlessly... and since the name tag also includes the player level I need to preserve the name itself |
| 16:29 |
jas_ |
mm the nametag is where you store the player level? mm heheh, good one tho and on mine it's a node. |
| 16:29 |
jas_ |
there's a new feature stujones11 told me about on a gh issue i opened up, visual = "item" it's a blast |
| 16:29 |
jas_ |
so i hide as a node with \n as my nametag |
| 16:29 |
IhrFussel |
The name tag looks like [L.XX] NAME yep |
| 16:30 |
jas_ |
nice |
| 16:30 |
jas_ |
well makes sense to use the alpha then |
| 16:30 |
jas_ |
i am personally glad MT offers so many ways to do stuff |
| 16:30 |
jas_ |
even if it's funky sometimes |
| 16:32 |
jas_ |
so you have XP and levels and stuff? classes? i wondered about story mode lmao at least NPCs that dialog |
| 16:32 |
jas_ |
probably you have an enchantment table or something? |
| 16:34 |
jas_ |
i wanna add mana for the mage class on there but don't want to add another statbar. formspecs in nodemeta do {$var} to insert text dynamically. it'd be nice if player formspecs could too, now that there's player:get_meta() |
| 16:34 |
IhrFussel |
Levels, EXP, damage based on level, custom HP system (players have level*10 HP) and more...no classes |
| 16:34 |
jas_ |
the thing i really like about mt5 is the thing that broke compat most (i think), which is the collisionbox changes |
| 16:35 |
jas_ |
so this node class, it's the size of a node, and fits through small holes |
| 16:35 |
IhrFussel |
Enchantment table exists though and it boosts attributes of tools yes |
| 16:35 |
jas_ |
i imagine one could use different models here, and make interesting environments with custom player/npc models |
| 16:36 |
jas_ |
yes that's good |
| 16:36 |
jas_ |
and armor right? |
| 16:36 |
jas_ |
do you use the physics modifiers in 3d_armor? |
| 16:36 |
IhrFussel |
In 5.0.0 changing max player HP is pretty much 1 line while my current hacky callback takes up ~ 20 lines |
| 16:36 |
jas_ |
ohhh that's right you don't have that feature in 0.4 |
| 16:37 |
jas_ |
well i look forward to physics modifiers, i guess, where multiple mods can work in conjunction -- like potions mod with armor mod |
| 16:37 |
IhrFussel |
I think some good armor makes you walk a little faster and jump higher...not 100% sure |
| 16:37 |
jas_ |
i guess they already do with monoids or support mods, that's nice |
| 16:39 |
IhrFussel |
I also have a party system (up to 5 players) which boosts each group member's EXP gain and together with shared monster kill EXP it is no longer a "only killer gets rewarded" |
| 16:39 |
jas_ |
ow wow! |
| 16:39 |
jas_ |
nice one |
| 16:39 |
IcyDiamond |
nice |
| 16:40 |
IhrFussel |
You can tame pets (on many servers) and level them up ... some pet types act as companion and help you fight and gain EXP per mob kill too |
| 16:41 |
IcyDiamond |
can i set an entity on fire? |
| 16:41 |
IcyDiamond |
XD |
| 16:41 |
jas_ |
i don't see why not |
| 16:41 |
jas_ |
don't forget the smoke particles |
| 16:42 |
IhrFussel |
I think there is a texture_mod() call... for entities |
| 16:42 |
jas_ |
yeah just put a bunch of flames on your character and smoke particles if fire is immediately around hehe, good idea |
| 16:42 |
IhrFussel |
Yep it only works on entities not players =/ ent:set_texture_mod(mod) |
| 16:43 |
jas_ |
oh well. i'm sure there's another way to make it look like the player is enflamed(?) and at least spawn smoke particles |
| 16:43 |
jas_ |
and then que the screams, and enhance velocity |
| 16:44 |
jas_ |
ever play this game called Blood? |
| 16:46 |
jas_ |
oh i guess they made a remake. the original was funny with a tnt stick and zombies running screaming engulfed in flames. i guess that's not very nice, but yeah i think it's possible to set the player on fire. |
| 16:46 |
jas_ |
probably just spawn entities around |
| 16:46 |
jas_ |
give 'em that new 'item' visual type ha |
| 16:57 |
jas_ |
i have a mage class that shoots fireballs (which drains hp, because there's no mp (yet)) with a cool down time, but i wanna add a staff that shoulds something like hitscan |
| 16:57 |
jas_ |
i wonder how it is in other games.. i played ctf once or twice it was fun with the gun |
| 16:58 |
IhrFussel |
Maybe 5.0.0 will have a way to modify player textures... the docs I have are from 0.4.17.1 |
| 16:58 |
jas_ |
oh i dunno, good point. they're being updated too, by um, paulone? i forget the name exactly. he put up a good website let me check |
| 16:58 |
jas_ |
https://pauloue.github.io/lua_api/ |
| 16:58 |
jas_ |
that's the name, whoops |
| 16:59 |
jas_ |
it's good to see different sites put up MT info too |
| 16:59 |
jas_ |
there seems to be a lot of resources between the book by rubenwardy, the forum and github.. and irc i guess |
| 16:59 |
rubenwardy |
there already is? |
| 17:00 |
rubenwardy |
IhrFussel: you can already set textures to players? |
| 17:00 |
rubenwardy |
do you mean dynamically? |
| 17:00 |
jas_ |
maybe more videos. i do enjoy the ones there are anyway |
| 17:00 |
rubenwardy |
jas_: I think I may just link to https://pauloue.github.io/lua_api/ from MMB |
| 17:00 |
jas_ |
it's just visually.. so pretty lol |
| 17:01 |
rubenwardy |
yeah |
| 17:01 |
IhrFussel |
rubenwardy, we are talking about a texture modifier yes ... it works dynamically on entities right? |
| 17:01 |
rubenwardy |
oh right |
| 17:01 |
rubenwardy |
I thought it worked on players, guess not |
| 17:01 |
rubenwardy |
no, it must work because players have damage flashes too |
| 17:02 |
IcyDiamond |
can i spawn a flowing liquid node somehow that will disappear on its own |
| 17:02 |
jas_ |
plus i think he's revised the docs a lot, so it's great all around |
| 17:02 |
IcyDiamond |
like water without a source |
| 17:02 |
jas_ |
i don't think so icy |
| 17:02 |
IcyDiamond |
aww |
| 17:02 |
jas_ |
but maybe. there's also leveled nodes, which water are not |
| 17:02 |
IhrFussel |
The docs say "##### LuaEntitySAO-only (no-op for other objects)" |
| 17:03 |
rubenwardy |
oh lol |
| 17:03 |
IhrFussel |
I guess the texture mod is hardcoded then for players |
| 17:03 |
rubenwardy |
the docs may be wrong, have you tried it? |
| 17:03 |
jas_ |
is that different than like ^[colorize and so on |
| 17:03 |
jas_ |
and is the doc for 0.4 or 5.0 ? |
| 17:04 |
IhrFussel |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L5047 |
| 17:04 |
IhrFussel |
Still the same |
| 17:05 |
jas_ |
i never tried set_texture_mod(mod) |
| 17:05 |
jas_ |
is that like, ^[colorize and so on? |
| 17:05 |
IhrFussel |
I think I already tried it with a "burn effect" caused by Lava Flans ... the player didn't change at all visually |
| 17:05 |
jas_ |
same as for node def textures? |
| 17:07 |
jas_ |
IcyDiamond: i seem to recall trying to do just that in the past and being disappointed that it didn't work. iirc it did require the source to be registered? but there may have been changes since, and is worth testing i think |
| 17:07 |
jas_ |
my favorite thing to do is put a check on <liquid>_source nodes for air below, and lower their pos if so |
| 17:08 |
jas_ |
but it's probably intensive, at least with an abm. maybe just a low frequency would do |
| 17:08 |
jas_ |
check for air or flowing or some buildable_to |
| 17:08 |
IhrFussel |
I just tried /giveme default:water_flowing and placed that...it did disappear after 1 sec |
| 17:08 |
jas_ |
well i mean, i don't think you can even register just the flowing node |
| 17:09 |
jas_ |
i think it there was something about that, but it was maybe two years ago i tried |
| 17:09 |
jas_ |
and i never try finite water. isn't that still a setting? |
| 17:29 |
Fixer |
actual troll finally confirmed for the first time https://twitter.com/darkstockphotos/status/1072596581059305478 |
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| 17:45 |
shivajiva |
IcyDiamond: you could create a water source node that removes itself after a set time to create that effect |
| 17:45 |
jas_ |
ohh good one |
| 17:45 |
shivajiva |
use on_timer |
| 17:46 |
jas_ |
or even after_place_node + minetest.after |
| 17:46 |
shivajiva |
eww |
| 17:46 |
jas_ |
no? |
| 17:46 |
shivajiva |
leverage the api :P |
| 17:47 |
jas_ |
i just thought it'd be easier |
| 17:47 |
jas_ |
but what do i know? lol |
| 17:47 |
shivajiva |
I thought on_timer was added to make it easier tbh |
| 17:48 |
jas_ |
i just envisions more lines |
| 17:48 |
jas_ |
but maybe not, either way perhaps is OK |
| 17:48 |
jas_ |
let us measure |
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| 18:05 |
rubenwardy |
IcyDiamond: do I want anything else other than this? https://gitlab.icynet.eu/evert/fluid_lib.git |
| 18:06 |
rubenwardy |
can't see any pipes |
| 18:07 |
rubenwardy |
ahhh,elepower is needed |
| 18:12 |
rubenwardy |
welp, looks like I'll need to delete everything |
| 18:12 |
rubenwardy |
or maybe I should just make my own pipe/tank lib based on fluid_lib and node_io |
| 18:14 |
IcyDiamond |
huh? |
| 18:14 |
IcyDiamond |
you dont need fluid_lib at all either |
| 18:15 |
IcyDiamond |
just add node_io callbacks to your nodes |
| 18:15 |
IcyDiamond |
https://github.com/auouymous/node_io/blob/master/API#L38 |
| 18:17 |
rubenwardy |
node_io doesn't add pipes though? |
| 18:17 |
IcyDiamond |
neither does fluid_lib |
| 18:17 |
rubenwardy |
what adds pipes? |
| 18:17 |
rubenwardy |
I'm making a game, not a mod |
| 18:18 |
rubenwardy |
so I need to include these things |
| 18:18 |
IcyDiamond |
elepower does, but you know, you're welcome to make your own transfer system using the node_io api |
| 18:18 |
rubenwardy |
heh |
| 18:18 |
rubenwardy |
I may just forget about this, and wait until I implement my own mechanics system |
| 18:19 |
rubenwardy |
or maybe I should just use elepower and delete all of its craft recipes |
| 18:19 |
IcyDiamond |
https://github.com/auouymous/test_io |
| 18:20 |
IcyDiamond |
maybe i should just move everything transfer related to fluid_lib as well |
| 18:21 |
IcyDiamond |
hmm |
| 18:21 |
rubenwardy |
that would be awesome |
| 18:22 |
rubenwardy |
node_io = interface for node io (lol) |
| 18:22 |
rubenwardy |
fluid_lib = implementation of node io for liquids, with pipes and tanks |
| 18:22 |
rubenwardy |
elepower = massive set of machines using the above |
| 18:22 |
rubenwardy |
the my mods can use node_io, and I can include fluid_lib as an impl |
| 19:11 |
IcyDiamond |
rubenwardy: i have done it |
| 19:11 |
rubenwardy |
yessss |
| 19:11 |
rubenwardy |
I saw |
| 19:11 |
rubenwardy |
thanks :) |
| 19:11 |
IcyDiamond |
will create release on content db |
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| 19:15 |
Krock |
hi tenplus1 who's off again |
| 19:20 |
IcyDiamond |
lol |
| 19:21 |
rubenwardy |
tanks don't appear to show liquid in them? |
| 19:21 |
IcyDiamond |
hm? |
| 19:22 |
IcyDiamond |
its probably because the tanks are registered for each fluid node available before fluid_lib loaded |
| 19:22 |
IcyDiamond |
i.e. default fluids |
| 19:22 |
rubenwardy |
oh right |
| 19:22 |
rubenwardy |
well, water also doesn't work |
| 19:22 |
rubenwardy |
https://i.rubenwardy.com/o7egJ.png |
| 19:22 |
rubenwardy |
left is water |
| 19:22 |
rubenwardy |
ah |
| 19:22 |
rubenwardy |
there may be a missing dep |
| 19:22 |
IcyDiamond |
hm |
| 19:23 |
IcyDiamond |
maybe its your render settings? |
| 19:23 |
IcyDiamond |
glasslike fluidlevel might not render or smth? |
| 19:24 |
IcyDiamond |
yeah |
| 19:24 |
IcyDiamond |
connected glass needs to be enabled for it to render |
| 19:24 |
IcyDiamond |
how odd |
| 19:25 |
IcyDiamond |
also, you can register the tanks again after you add your own fluids |
| 19:25 |
IcyDiamond |
fluid_tanks.register_tank(":fluid_tanks:tank", { ... }) |
| 19:25 |
IcyDiamond |
i use this solution in elepower |
| 19:26 |
IcyDiamond |
thats called after bucket.register_liquid |
| 19:26 |
IcyDiamond |
cuz it takes fluids from bucket |
| 19:27 |
IcyDiamond |
it will accept fluids even if a tank for it is not registered but there will be no texture on the fluidlevel |
| 19:28 |
IcyDiamond |
just the limitations i have to work with |
| 19:28 |
IcyDiamond |
:P |
| 19:28 |
rubenwardy |
ahhh, connected glass is disabled |
| 19:28 |
IcyDiamond |
wouldn't be a problem if glasslike_fluidlevel had metadata-specified textures |
| 19:28 |
IcyDiamond |
:P |
| 19:29 |
IcyDiamond |
or perhaps a param |
| 19:29 |
IcyDiamond |
that could work as well |
| 19:31 |
IcyDiamond |
elepower has this awesome glass that doesnt let light pass |
| 19:32 |
IcyDiamond |
https://i.lunasqu.ee/Screenshot_18-12-12-21:32:00.png |
| 19:34 |
Fixer |
o_0 |
| 19:34 |
Unarelith |
IcyDiamond, omg yes <3 |
| 19:34 |
IcyDiamond |
it's called hardened obsidian glass |
| 19:35 |
IcyDiamond |
its made using obsidian glass and 4 lead ingots in alloy furnace |
| 19:35 |
Unarelith |
this block is really cool to make a window on mob spawners and still keep them dark |
| 19:37 |
Krock |
IcyDiamond: now use global textures |
| 19:37 |
Krock |
(a texture per mapblock for each node type) |
| 19:37 |
Krock |
I can promise you that it will look way better :D |
| 19:41 |
IcyDiamond |
Unarelith: elepower_farming adds a node that spawns mobs |
| 19:41 |
IcyDiamond |
from mobs_redo |
| 19:41 |
IcyDiamond |
takes an egg and power |
| 19:42 |
Unarelith |
I know, it's only for the looks :p |
| 19:42 |
IcyDiamond |
i cannot for the life of me remember the mods name where i got this idea from |
| 19:42 |
IcyDiamond |
minecraft mod that is |
| 19:43 |
IcyDiamond |
mine factory reloaded |
| 19:44 |
IcyDiamond |
elepower_farming is a mfr clone |
| 19:44 |
IcyDiamond |
:P |
| 19:44 |
rubenwardy |
IcyDiamond: do you have any plans for fluid pressure? |
| 19:44 |
rubenwardy |
I don't need it, just wondering |
| 19:44 |
IcyDiamond |
not really |
| 19:45 |
rubenwardy |
just to clarify: The ability to use gravity instead of a pump to drain a tank, and also the ability for 2 tanks like this to become equal: T--T |
| 19:45 |
rubenwardy |
also, I found the pump placement unintuitive |
| 19:45 |
rubenwardy |
I'd expect to rightclick on the tank, and the pump end appear that way |
| 19:45 |
IcyDiamond |
haha |
| 19:45 |
rubenwardy |
the concept of pumps and which way to place them is intuitive though |
| 19:46 |
IcyDiamond |
you can use screwdriver too |
| 19:46 |
IcyDiamond |
they work in vertical configuration as well |
| 19:46 |
rubenwardy |
ahh right |
| 19:46 |
rubenwardy |
I tried doing them vertically, but couldn't place them that way |
| 19:46 |
IcyDiamond |
yeah |
| 19:46 |
IcyDiamond |
i might figure it out one day |
| 19:46 |
IcyDiamond |
:P |
| 19:50 |
rubenwardy |
placing 2 tanks like this makes it look like they're one tank due to connected glass: https://i.rubenwardy.com/p8Hip.png |
| 19:50 |
rubenwardy |
I guess that's hard to fix though |
| 19:52 |
IcyDiamond |
Unfortunately yeah |
| 19:52 |
rubenwardy |
ohh interesting |
| 19:52 |
rubenwardy |
https://i.rubenwardy.com/HzWKq.png |
| 19:53 |
IcyDiamond |
Yeah that does look cool |
| 19:53 |
IcyDiamond |
It would be nice if I could stabilize the fluid level in neighbouring tanks |
| 19:53 |
IcyDiamond |
That's pretty resource intensive |
| 19:53 |
IcyDiamond |
Tho |
| 19:54 |
IcyDiamond |
s/in/with/ |
| 19:54 |
rubenwardy |
argh, there's no nice layout for this |
| 19:54 |
IcyDiamond |
I know that feel |
| 19:59 |
rubenwardy |
https://i.rubenwardy.com/7KmKX.png |
| 19:59 |
rubenwardy |
needs insulated pipes |
| 20:00 |
rubenwardy |
wait |
| 20:00 |
rubenwardy |
I have an idea |
| 20:02 |
IcyDiamond |
Easy to say |
| 20:02 |
IcyDiamond |
XD |
| 20:02 |
IcyDiamond |
Basically impossible |
| 20:02 |
IcyDiamond |
Well, not impossible |
| 20:02 |
IcyDiamond |
Just tedious |
| 20:10 |
rubenwardy |
:'( |
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| 20:17 |
IcyDiamond |
Code is hard, kids |
| 20:19 |
rubenwardy |
what group should I use for a machine that accepts fluid? |
| 20:21 |
rubenwardy |
crash on unkown node: https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/40658a254dd6f6b7e5c4dabe7557a3b2 |
| 20:25 |
rubenwardy |
https://i.rubenwardy.com/ctXjd.png |
| 20:28 |
IcyDiamond |
fixed it |
| 20:28 |
IcyDiamond |
i think |
| 20:29 |
rubenwardy |
:D |
| 20:30 |
Fixer |
WIN |
| 20:35 |
rubenwardy |
well, I'm using group:fluid_container for now |
| 20:36 |
IcyDiamond |
https://gitlab.icynet.eu/evert/fluid_lib/blob/master/README.md |
| 20:52 |
Unarelith |
IcyDiamond, I can't punch holostorage blocks with latest commit |
| 20:52 |
IcyDiamond |
holostorage?? oh jesus i completely forgot that thing even exists |
| 20:52 |
IcyDiamond |
XD |
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IcyDiamond |
Unarelith: it's a 5.0-dev mod |
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Unarelith |
I'm using 5.0-dev |
| 20:54 |
IcyDiamond |
well then i dont know |
| 20:54 |
Unarelith |
:/ |
| 20:54 |
IcyDiamond |
cloned it real quick and it works like it always has |
| 20:55 |
Unarelith |
hmm |
| 20:55 |
Unarelith |
once blocks are placed i can't break them |
| 20:55 |
* rubenwardy |
wonders if node_io sides take facedir into account |
| 20:55 |
Unarelith |
unless I'm in creative mode though |
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| 21:04 |
Unarelith |
IcyDiamond, ok so the blocks are impossible to mine without at least an Iron Pickaxe |
| 21:04 |
IcyDiamond |
xD |
| 21:05 |
IcyDiamond |
you can probably tell i dont really maintain that mod anymore |
| 21:05 |
Unarelith |
yup, why btw? |
| 21:06 |
rubenwardy |
grr |
| 21:06 |
IcyDiamond |
idk im not really happy with it |
| 21:06 |
rubenwardy |
fluid lib always calls node_io_can_put_liquid with a side of "" |
| 21:06 |
IcyDiamond |
yes |
| 21:06 |
IcyDiamond |
thats a todo |
| 21:06 |
IcyDiamond |
xD |
| 21:07 |
IcyDiamond |
elepower doesnt need sided sht so i decided not to put in the effort |
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| 21:11 |
IcyDiamond |
https://i.lunasqu.ee/Screenshot_18-12-12-23:11:11.png |
| 21:12 |
Jordach |
IcyDiamond, put the numerics first so that the text lines up neatly afterwards |
| 21:13 |
IcyDiamond |
how |
| 21:13 |
IcyDiamond |
its not monospace |
| 21:13 |
IcyDiamond |
they will never line up |
| 21:16 |
IcyDiamond |
Jordach: https://i.lunasqu.ee/Screenshot_18-12-12-23:16:05.png |
| 21:16 |
IcyDiamond |
i guess i could add a zero |
| 21:17 |
Jordach |
indeed |
| 21:17 |
rubenwardy |
is there anything I need to do to make fluidlib detect my node? |
| 21:17 |
Jordach |
looks far neater now |
| 21:17 |
rubenwardy |
https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/730aacc7d590e962b496adf2e50f10ee |
| 21:18 |
rubenwardy |
talking about oil:burner_on in particular |
| 21:18 |
rubenwardy |
*burner_active |
| 21:19 |
IcyDiamond |
what do you mean detect? |
| 21:19 |
IcyDiamond |
you cant take from it? |
| 21:19 |
rubenwardy |
if doesn't put into it |
| 21:20 |
rubenwardy |
I'm expecting a tank to empty into the burner |
| 21:20 |
IcyDiamond |
weird |
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| 21:28 |
IcyDiamond |
I can't really tell why that wouldn't work |
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| 21:35 |
rubenwardy |
well, pushed the stuff to https://github.com/rubenwardy/oil/ |
| 21:36 |
rubenwardy |
fluid_lib.refresh_node() doesn't help :( |
| 21:37 |
rubenwardy |
which just called update neighbors apparently |
| 21:40 |
rubenwardy |
it does call can_put a few times |
| 21:40 |
rubenwardy |
just doesn't put at all |
| 21:43 |
IcyDiamond |
i dont know |
| 21:53 |
rubenwardy |
there was a mistake in the liquid name |
| 21:54 |
rubenwardy |
also |
| 21:54 |
rubenwardy |
shouldn't if not #pp then pp = nil end be if #pp == 0 then pp = nil end |
| 22:01 |
rubenwardy |
`not #pp` is always false, because 0 is truthy |
| 22:11 |
IcyDiamond |
Wtf |
| 22:11 |
IcyDiamond |
Lua is weird |
| 22:11 |
IcyDiamond |
0 == false in other languages |
| 22:12 |
rubenwardy |
only in C |
| 22:12 |
IhrFussel |
I never heard of 0 being false |
| 22:12 |
IcyDiamond |
I'm a lifetime JavaScript programmer |
| 22:12 |
rubenwardy |
oh, apparently not |
| 22:12 |
IcyDiamond |
XD |
| 22:12 |
rubenwardy |
the only things which are false are false and nil |
| 22:12 |
IcyDiamond |
So weird |
| 22:12 |
IcyDiamond |
I can fix that tho |
| 22:12 |
rubenwardy |
it makes more sense than 0 being false to mee |
| 22:13 |
rubenwardy |
it doesn't actually effect anything |
| 22:13 |
IcyDiamond |
i know |
| 22:13 |
IcyDiamond |
but still |
| 22:14 |
IcyDiamond |
my new pc is so quiet its hard for me to tell if it booted or not |
| 22:14 |
IcyDiamond |
XD |
| 22:14 |
rud0lf |
maybe the fan is broken? |
| 22:14 |
rud0lf |
;p |
| 22:15 |
IcyDiamond |
nah they're all ok |
| 22:15 |
IcyDiamond |
XD |
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IcyDiamond |
XD |
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| 22:31 |
IcyDiamond |
actually disregard the last message |
| 22:32 |
rubenwardy |
"XD"? |
| 22:32 |
IcyDiamond |
one before that |
| 22:32 |
IcyDiamond |
its easier than you'd think |
| 22:32 |
IcyDiamond |
you just need a web server and have a mod ping it |
| 22:33 |
IcyDiamond |
i had something similar in my minecraft server for donations |
| 22:34 |
IcyDiamond |
buut i dont think releasing such a mod to the wild is a good idea |
| 22:34 |
IcyDiamond |
minecraft has an EULA for this purpose |
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| 22:36 |
IcyDiamond |
btw elepower supports TechPack for item transfer |
| 22:36 |
IcyDiamond |
i saw someone mention something about elepower and tp |
| 22:37 |
IcyDiamond |
tp is a very bad abbreviation to have |
| 22:39 |
IcyDiamond |
there arent many servers running for 5.0 huh |
| 22:39 |
IcyDiamond |
at least not announcing ones |
| 22:56 |
Fixer |
for the severs |
| 22:56 |
Fixer |
severs |
| 22:56 |
Fixer |
severs |
| 22:56 |
Fixer |
severs |
| 22:56 |
IcyDiamond |
:D |
| 22:59 |
rubenwardy |
how I can inject liquids into a duct without a tank? |
| 23:00 |
IcyDiamond |
? |
| 23:00 |
IcyDiamond |
duct connects to pump on the back |
| 23:01 |
rubenwardy |
I want my machine to output fluid into a pipe |
| 23:01 |
rubenwardy |
will I need pumps? |
| 23:01 |
IcyDiamond |
yeah |
| 23:01 |
Unarelith |
hey IcyDiamond you have a message on your server (not from me) |
| 23:01 |
IcyDiamond |
huh? |
| 23:06 |
IcyDiamond |
xD |
| 23:07 |
IcyDiamond |
craft_guide really needs an API |
| 23:07 |
Unarelith |
yep :') |
| 23:07 |
IcyDiamond |
anyone up to fork it? |
| 23:07 |
* IcyDiamond |
shoves a fork in it |
| 23:07 |
IcyDiamond |
the book has holes in it now |
| 23:09 |
IcyDiamond |
who maintains it |
| 23:09 |
IcyDiamond |
!mod [craftguide] |
| 23:09 |
MinetestBot |
IcyDiamond: Crafting Guide [craftguide] by jp - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=14088 |
| 23:10 |
IcyDiamond |
oh wow its actually actively maintained |
| 23:10 |
IcyDiamond |
nice |
| 23:11 |
rubenwardy |
neither pumps not ducts support node_io |
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| 23:12 |
IcyDiamond |
? |
| 23:13 |
rubenwardy |
I guess need to implement take_liquid in the columns themselves? |
| 23:15 |
IcyDiamond |
the node where you're taking from yeah |
| 23:15 |
IcyDiamond |
lol |
| 23:15 |
IcyDiamond |
it's 1 am but i have school at 2pm so its no big deal |
| 23:15 |
IcyDiamond |
xD |
| 23:16 |
Unarelith |
IcyDiamond, https://wiki.minetest.net/Crafting_guide |
| 23:16 |
Unarelith |
we definitely NEED an API :p |
| 23:17 |
IcyDiamond |
unified_inventory has an api for other mods to register craft types |
| 23:17 |
IcyDiamond |
but i dont like that mod |
| 23:17 |
IcyDiamond |
XD |
| 23:17 |
VanessaE |
Unified inventory ftw :) |
| 23:18 |
IcyDiamond |
no u |
| 23:18 |
IcyDiamond |
*puke* |
| 23:18 |
VanessaE |
Heretic. :P |
| 23:18 |
rubenwardy |
bloat |
| 23:19 |
IcyDiamond |
the ui is super ugly |
| 23:19 |
Unarelith |
agreed |
| 23:19 |
VanessaE |
Put it in lite mode then |
| 23:19 |
Unarelith |
but it's the closest we can make to NEI :'( |
| 23:19 |
IcyDiamond |
wot is ze lite mode |
| 23:20 |
VanessaE |
Smaller UI formspec, less features |
| 23:20 |
IcyDiamond |
pics or didnt happen |
| 23:20 |
VanessaE |
Google image search: P |
| 23:20 |
VanessaE |
:P |
| 23:21 |
IcyDiamond |
i love craftguide and sfinv |
| 23:21 |
IcyDiamond |
craftguide just needs a register_craft_type |
| 23:21 |
IcyDiamond |
:P |
| 23:22 |
IcyDiamond |
rubenwardy: <3 sfinv |
| 23:22 |
VanessaE |
sting barrios |
| 23:23 |
VanessaE |
wtf |
| 23:23 |
IcyDiamond |
wat |
| 23:23 |
Jordach |
wtf |
| 23:23 |
Jordach |
has VanessaE finally found my LSD stash |
| 23:23 |
IcyDiamond |
oops |
| 23:23 |
VanessaE |
Damn you autocorrect |
| 23:23 |
VanessaE |
sfinv barfola * |
| 23:24 |
VanessaE |
Ugly as shit |
| 23:24 |
IcyDiamond |
no u >:( |
| 23:24 |
IcyDiamond |
sfinv is as minetest as you can get |
| 23:24 |
rubenwardy |
sfinv has consistent spacing and icons |
| 23:24 |
VanessaE |
Hard to use compared to UI |
| 23:25 |
IcyDiamond |
unified_inventory is just barf of low and high resolution graphics and bad color scheme |
| 23:25 |
Unarelith |
+1 |
| 23:25 |
IcyDiamond |
its not fitting for a block game |
| 23:25 |
IcyDiamond |
:P |
| 23:25 |
VanessaE |
Anyway, set `unified_inventory_lite = true` in minetest.conference |
| 23:26 |
IcyDiamond |
minetest.conference |
| 23:26 |
VanessaE |
Dammit |
| 23:26 |
IcyDiamond |
i want to attend |
| 23:26 |
VanessaE |
Fuck you autocorrect |
| 23:26 |
VanessaE |
:P |
| 23:26 |
IcyDiamond |
turn it off ffs |
| 23:27 |
VanessaE |
I need it. Just keep forgetting to double check before I hit send |
| 23:27 |
IcyDiamond |
dont hate on things you depend on |
| 23:28 |
IcyDiamond |
XD |
| 23:28 |
VanessaE |
It may sometimes screw up but I can type 10x faster with its help |
| 23:28 |
VanessaE |
So yeah.... |
| 23:28 |
IcyDiamond |
same tho |
| 23:29 |
VanessaE |
Anyway, can't find a pic in image search, set `unified_inventory_lite = true` in minetest.conf |
| 23:29 |
VanessaE |
And see for yourself |
| 23:30 |
IcyDiamond |
>tfw have to clone UI |
| 23:30 |
VanessaE |
0h horrors |
| 23:30 |
IcyDiamond |
/)(o.o)(\ |
| 23:31 |
VanessaE |
Or visit my "basic" server, its in lite mode there by default |
| 23:32 |
IcyDiamond |
https://i.lunasqu.ee/Screenshot_18-12-13-01:32:06.png squished vomit |
| 23:33 |
VanessaE |
... |
| 23:33 |
Jordach |
i'd rather peel of all my skin, invert my entire muscle and skeletal structure, all while conscious, than use UI |
| 23:33 |
IcyDiamond |
:D |
| 23:33 |
VanessaE |
:( |
| 23:33 |
Jordach |
too many things it does |
| 23:34 |
Jordach |
i'd rather just the inventory MC style, one singular page |
| 23:34 |
VanessaE |
you're one to talk: P |
| 23:35 |
IcyDiamond |
OMFG CRAFTGUIDE SFINV INTEGRATION |
| 23:35 |
IcyDiamond |
YES |
| 23:35 |
IcyDiamond |
sexy <3 |
| 23:35 |
rubenwardy |
:D |
| 23:35 |
VanessaE |
puke |
| 23:35 |
rubenwardy |
I'm using that in capitalism game |
| 23:35 |
VanessaE |
sorry. |
| 23:35 |
Jordach |
at some point i'm just going to entirely nuke ZCG and write my own full fat JEI-like engine |
| 23:36 |
IcyDiamond |
now im going to hope that we get a register_craft_type feature |
| 23:36 |
IcyDiamond |
if not im going to have to do a bunch of ugly modifications |
| 23:36 |
IcyDiamond |
:D |
| 23:36 |
rubenwardy |
do I need to do something to notify the pump that there's liquid? |
| 23:37 |
IcyDiamond |
punch the pump |
| 23:37 |
IcyDiamond |
wait hmm |
| 23:38 |
IcyDiamond |
should implement node_io_on_neighbor_update |
| 23:39 |
rubenwardy |
punching doesn't help |
| 23:39 |
IcyDiamond |
then something else is wrong |
| 23:40 |
rubenwardy |
yeah :D |
| 23:44 |
rubenwardy |
cool, it's working now |
| 23:59 |
Fixer |
IcyDiamond: 48 pages to scroll... |
