IRC log for #minetest-hub, 2018-05-17

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02:35	ANAND	Is it possible to add a custom inventory to players?
02:50	redneonglow	hey i almost forgot
02:51	redneonglow	i found a really strange oddity in the logs for one of my servers, prior to a very odd crash
02:51	redneonglow	i dont know if this is something malicious or...
02:51	redneonglow	i had storms and no power so i was unable to investigate this until hours later
02:52	redneonglow	there were repeated attempted connections from the same IP "with an invalid name", followed by an out of memory error in connection with the xban2 mod
02:53	redneonglow	does anyone know what that means? is the "invalid name" like a dos attack?
02:53	redneonglow	the ip was not in xban.db
02:53	redneonglow	that's another thing
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02:56	redneonglow	wait a minute...
02:56	redneonglow	that IP is supposed to be blackholed
02:56	redneonglow	on my vps
02:57	redneonglow	it is
03:00	redneonglow	i'd imagine that would result in a timeout, but wouldnt blackholing prevent a connection to begin with?
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08:51	IcyDiamond	How does clear_craft work?
08:51	IcyDiamond	I'm trying to remove torch crafting recipe but I get No craft recipe known for output (output="default:torch 4")
08:52	IcyDiamond	i depend on default
08:53	IcyDiamond	oh nvm
08:53	IcyDiamond	you must specify without count
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11:04	ANAND	Is it possible to add a custom inventory to players?
11:04	ANAND	And how do I show a single (detached) inventory slot in a formspec?
11:04	ANAND	bbl
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13:04	IhrFussel	Fixer, were you on my server earlier?
13:05	IhrFussel	Or was that an imposter maybe
13:05	IhrFussel	Impersonator*
13:08	Mr-Pardison	fake pasta!
13:11	Fixer	IhrFussel: that was me, was tasting amidst tool
13:12	Fixer	IhrFussel: also, please add those join/exit sound disablers somewhere in gui
13:12	IhrFussel	Did it taste good? It says that on every join, most just clsoe the join window too quick
13:13	Fixer	amidst tool was nice, but had few problems
13:19	IhrFussel	"...was tasting amidst tool" >> "tasting"
13:20	Fixer	testing
13:32	ANAND	Hello, is it possible to add a custom inventory to players?
13:32	ANAND	And how do I show a single (detached) inventory slot in a formspec?
13:33	ANAND	Already asked this question twice, but no one responded, meh... :)
13:33	ANAND	these questions*
13:39	Mr-Pardison	happens sometimes which is hwy I bring up the question a 2nd time and/or poke someone about it.
13:43	longerstaff13-m	Hi
13:43	ANAND	lol
13:43	ANAND	Hi longerstaff13-m!
13:44	longerstaff13-m	Hry anand
13:45	Mr-Pardison	ahoy longerstaff13-m
13:45	longerstaff13-m	Ahiy matey
13:45	longerstaff13-m	Ahoy*
14:23	ANAND	Mr-Pardison, regarding the bounty_hunting mod - I think I can finish off the backend myself. Would be able to take care of integrating it with inventory mods like unified_inventory and inventory_plus?
14:23	Mr-Pardison	I might be able to.
14:24	ANAND	Sweet!
14:24	Mr-Pardison	It will go on my to-do list which is pretty long but it will be near the top of it.
14:25	ANAND	I'm packed to the rafters with my studies, but I'll work on your mod when I take breaks (which I do quite often :3)
14:26	ANAND	Also, I can do the sfinv integration if you permit.
14:26	Mr-Pardison	fine by me as I appreciate the help.
14:26	ANAND	cool
14:27	Mr-Pardison	will need to add you in to the credits section of the README.
14:28	ANAND	I guess the formspec itself would be the same, irrespective of various inventory integrations, so you could just pass the formspec string to the api registration methods
14:28	Mr-Pardison	so, what name would you like to have on there and could you provide a link to your github profile page?
14:29	ANAND	It'll make your job even easier
14:29	ANAND	ANAND https://github.com/ClobberXD
14:29	Mr-Pardison	which I appreciate.
14:29	ANAND	:)
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15:17	rdococ	Yay particles break physics
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15:54	Fixer	_
15:54	rubenwardy	Fixer: world painter plugin is back online :D
15:54	Fixer	nice, ty
15:54	rubenwardy	would be nice to have the source
15:55	rubenwardy	incase the author disappears
15:55	rubenwardy	but having amidst and wp is definitely an asset for us
15:55	Fixer	i did some testing of amidst
15:55	rubenwardy	oh?
15:55	rubenwardy	how did it taste?
15:56	Fixer	I found a bug ofc
15:56	Fixer	20 digits long was treated like text seed
15:56	Fixer	he just fixed it
15:56	Fixer	apart from that it works for me
15:57	Fixer	but I still need to recheck if it correlates with 0.5.0 terrains
16:00	Fixer	it is hard to recognise hometown terrain
16:00	Fixer	i guess i will try their seed in sp
16:01	Fixer	found another bug
16:01	Fixer	.____.
16:04	Fixer	spawned in a tree
16:04	Fixer	when you will fix this?
16:04	Fixer	every time
16:04	Fixer	in any forest
16:04	Fixer	also, v7 - interesting land feature https://i.imgur.com/mcD9pwL.jpg
16:04	Mr_Pardison	that FPS.
16:04	paramat	not every time, but often yes. not sure how to fix
16:05	Fixer	can confirm amidst works, terrain checks nicely
16:05	Mr_Pardison	check the spawn location and see if it is inside of a node?
16:05	Fixer	for 0.5.0-git
16:05	Fixer	v7
16:06	paramat	well, i can think of a way to fix but don't know how to code it :)
16:07	Mr_Pardison	anyone can think of a solution. it's implementing it that is the challenge.
16:07	Fixer	Mr_Pardison: it is too low?
16:07	Fixer	ahh
16:07	paramat	a workaround in lua is possible
16:08	Mr_Pardison	Fixer: no it's at 86 and how I envy that.
16:08	Fixer	forgot that hometown used custom v7
16:08	Fixer	my bad
16:08	rubenwardy	Fixer: your forum name makes me think of casserole
16:08	Fixer	Mr_Pardison: GPU is from 2005
16:08	Mr_Pardison	on my crappy lappy I can get about 20 FPS.
16:08	Fixer	rubenwardy: i hate that ol part, I don't know why I added it
16:08	rubenwardy	\o/
16:08	Fixer	i never use it anywhere
16:08	rubenwardy	I can change your username if you like
16:08	Mr_Pardison	mine's a dell latitude d620 with 2gb ram and intel pentium.
16:09	Fixer	rubenwardy: that will be nice, password will be the same?
16:09	rubenwardy	yeah
16:09	rubenwardy	done
16:09	rubenwardy	it's the same account
16:09	rubenwardy	in phpbb, the primary key is the ID; not the username
16:10	Mr_Pardison	have 2 hop
16:10	rubenwardy	meaning you can change the username at will
16:10	Mr_Pardison	cya in a bit
16:10	Fixer	oh
16:10	Fixer	rubenwardy: lol, thank you, that was quick
16:10	rubenwardy	well, moderators can change usernames at will
16:11	Fixer	amidst is very nice for locating biomes on servers
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16:13	Fixer	biome hell https://i.imgur.com/ZE3O1Oe.png
16:14	Mr_Pardison	very apt.
16:15	rubenwardy	ooh, I like that
16:15	rubenwardy	minus the desert
16:15	rubenwardy	but it looks like a main land with a sea
16:15	rubenwardy	I'd quite like a real fractal map, which generates continents, seas, and gulfs
16:16	rubenwardy	but I'd also like a super fast high view range fully featured engine
16:16	* rubenwardy	is too needy
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16:19	Shara	I have the same wants
16:19	Shara	So I guess I am as well :(
16:20	Fixer	i would like menger sponge world in minetest
16:20	Fixer	with biomes on surfaces
16:21	Fixer	i have impression you need a ton of seed tries to find a good solid and interesting seed
16:21	Fixer	amidst is just for that
16:22	rubenwardy	cOlO[u]ReD lIgHtInG
16:22	Fixer	z-sorting
16:22	ANAND	[u] <-- XD
16:22	Shara	That weird unreadable thing the rubenwardy wrote, really, like a thousand times please
16:22	Fixer	rubenwardy: reminded me of a troll who joined one server and typed like that
16:23	Shara	He is a troll.
16:23	Shara	The best :)
16:23	rubenwardy	> me, a troll
16:23	rubenwardy	you what
16:23	ANAND	Fixer, it might've been rubenwardy for all you know... :P
16:23	Shara	:D
16:23	Fixer	that was not minetest server
16:23	ANAND	oh
16:23	Shara	I said that just waiting to see the reaction, which I got :)
16:23	ANAND	It certainlt isn't him then
16:23	ANAND	certainly*
16:24	Fixer	amidst can compute past 30000 coords
16:24	* Shara	is oddly satisfied, so goes back to work
16:24	ANAND	XD
16:27	xerox123	hello
16:28	Mr_Pardison	'ello Xio
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16:28	Mr_Pardison	lol pressed tab 1 too many times.
16:28	Fixer	doing Ctrl+R is very satisfying
16:29	xerox123	very refreshing*
16:29	* Mr_Pardison	Ctrl+R's his brain
16:29	longerstaff13	ctrl+F4 is one I remember
16:29	Fixer	in amidst*
16:31	Fixer	v7 terrain looks a lot like Martian one
16:32	IhrFussel	The books in MTG have most likely a bug
16:32	Fixer	also it shows high mountains
16:32	Shara	v7 would be perfect, without the crazy-weird bits
16:32	paramat	it's weirder than mars
16:32	Shara	^
16:32	IhrFussel	Under some circumstances the page is still 1 even though the text is longer than what page 1 can display
16:33	ANAND	IhrFussel, so the rest of the text is clipped?
16:33	Fixer	carpathian looks so different
16:33	IhrFussel	Exactly
16:33	Shara	I really like carpathian, but haven't played on it enough to decide if it's better
16:33	paramat	btw i can do continents using perlin noise, i'm trying this now in my experimental core mapgen
16:33	Fixer	carpathian is very nice, as well as valleys
16:33	Fixer	carpathian has huuuge planes
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16:33	Fixer	and huge mountains too
16:33	Fixer	and in between
16:33	Shara	paramat: share the results please... that sounds really interesting
16:36	paramat	haven't done continental stuff yet, but you can compile my branch to test https://github.com/paramat/minetest/tree/mgwatershed
16:36	Shara	Sadly that would involve the usual problem
16:36	paramat	currently agonising over xl-scale terrain variation
16:36	Shara	I'd love to see more real mountains, if that's what you mean
16:36	IhrFussel	The book bug is annoying..like REALLY ... I didn't know that such an issue exists
16:38	paramat	my mountains are not weird, more like carpathian, and go very high (1000+)
16:39	paramat	Ihr could you check MTG issues and maybe open an issue?
16:39	IhrFussel	The issue seems to be related to font size + resolution...the amount of text it displays is different between players
16:40	paramat	carpathian has influenced how i do mountains, i no longer do crazy 3D noise for those
16:42	IhrFussel	MTG cann ot solve this
16:42	IhrFussel	It's the shitty MT font issue which can't be scaled
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16:42	Krock	hi Mr_Pardison
16:43	IhrFussel	We tried with 3 different players... the higher the resolution the more they can read
16:43	rubenwardy	why don't books use a scrolling read-only text box?
16:43	Mr_Pardison	\o
16:43	Krock	rubenwardy, because 0.5.x features didn't apprive in MTG yet
16:43	Krock	*because some
16:43	Krock	*arrive
16:43	rubenwardy	oh, that's 0.5.0?
16:43	Krock	yes
16:43	rubenwardy	swear the pause menu has used it for ages?
16:44	Krock	that's where you're wrong :P
16:44	rubenwardy	I guess 0.5.0-dev has been around for ages
16:44	ANAND	^ very true
16:44	Fixer	found anothre bug with amidst
16:45	Fixer	crash one, but probably easy to fix
16:47	Fixer	rubenwardy: so where is that world painter DL page you said?
16:47	Fixer	rubenwardy: plugin one
16:47	rubenwardy	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=16649
16:47	rubenwardy	https://www.worldpainter.net/files/plugins/MinetestSupport.jar
16:48	Fixer	saved
16:54	IhrFussel	My guess regarding the book bug: 1 line is only over when the player pressed return ... if a player now writes a looooooong line it will be displayed as multiple on other screens but not internally
16:57	Fixer	our books suck so much, same with hardly readable kaeza signs and hacky defaults :/ those areas will need attention for sure
16:58	IhrFussel	Can someone confirm that "1 line" in lua is only defined by return chars?
16:58	IhrFussel	I mean in book/formspec code*
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17:00	paramat	oops my branch is actually https://github.com/paramat/minetest/tree/mgwatershed2 yes i rewrote it (4th version ugh)
17:01	Shara	paramat: I would love to try it, but can't face compile-hell in the middle of exam prep
17:01	* sofar	afk phb mtng
17:02	IhrFussel	Ok pretty much confirmed...you expect the user to MANUALLY press return on each text field line end? That is just horrible
17:02	Shara	How high do carpathian mountains go?
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17:17	paramat	erm, maybe 1000?
17:18	IhrFussel	That's not very realistic when clouds are at 128
17:18	paramat	yeah i know you can't compile :)
17:20	Shara	It's not a case of "can't"
17:20	Shara	I have more than once, but I'm not willing to given the hassle
17:20	twoelk	actually a lot of clouds are often under 1km in reality
17:20	* twoelk	remembers climbing through clouds and observing them from above
17:21	Shara	Have done that. It's pretty interesting :)
17:21	paramat	mgcarp mountains are unpredictable though, the code makes it possible to occasionally find much higher ones, so i expect players will keep finding higher ones
17:21	Shara	I just really want really high mountains
17:21	Shara	Maybe I will move all my testing over to carpathian
17:21	paramat	yeah i mean 'not easily'
17:22	twoelk	I would rather have highlands as complete landscape with lakes and alpine biomes :-D
17:23	Mr_Pardison	alpine lakes... sounds refreshing.
17:23	paramat	well if we consider clouds to be low cloud at 1km, then mt.everest at 8.848km would be 1133 nodes
17:24	Mr_Pardison	relative to the scale of a MT map, right?
17:24	twoelk	another thing might be to add tools for server owners or game makers to ease tweaking the mapgenerating to their likings
17:25	ANAND	then what about the map that's already been generated?
17:25	IhrFussel	twoelk, mountains ~ 8 times higher than clouds sound unrealistic to me
17:25	paramat	so i go with around 1000 nodes for highest mountains. clouds cannot be seen above 2000 nodes so ..
17:26	twoelk	anand thats where mapmerging becomes an issue
17:26	twoelk	clouds exist at different levels - something mt doesn't have
17:27	paramat	"mountains ~ 8 times higher than clouds sound unrealistic" mt. everest is unrealistic? :)
17:28	ANAND	but clouds at y=120 kinda is :)
17:28	twoelk	I live in the plains of northern germany and we often have clouds lingering at 100-300 m with others above that - sometimes even moving in another direction
17:29	paramat	mt clouds look like IRL low cumulus cloud
17:29	IhrFussel	paramat, having hundreds of mt everests is very unrealistic
17:29	Shara	Depends which world the game is set on :)
17:30	twoelk	not really paramat as they are way to flat
17:30	ANAND	Ideally, there should be various types of clouds, which spawn at different heights in different ratios, just like ores
17:30	ANAND	minetest.register_cloud() :P
17:30	Mr_Pardison	IhrFussel, Shara is right about that.
17:31	Shara	Mars has higher mountains than Everest, from what I recall
17:31	ANAND	yep
17:31	rubenwardy	I'd like clouds to be volumetric fog
17:31	twoelk	besides near mountains clouds may also move up and down very fast
17:31	rubenwardy	so when you stand in them, you see a fog relative to how deep you are in them
17:31	rubenwardy	well
17:31	ANAND	Shara, "Olympus Mons"
17:31	rubenwardy	I'd like there to at least be a fog/color there
17:31	Shara	rubenwardy: you like to dream. (coloured light coloured light coloured light....)
17:32	twoelk	maybe he dreams in colours
17:32	paramat	yes, vertically i see MT as being 1/10th scale
17:32	IhrFussel	I'm trying to fix the book bug with new lines... could this work? "for str in (text .. "\n"):gmatch("([^\n]*)[\n]") or string.len(str) > 50 then lines[#lines+1] = str end" ??
17:32	Shara	I do, but I've never dreamed MT with coloured lighting :(
17:32	IhrFussel	Oops I need to nest that inside the loop not as part of the condition hmm
17:32	paramat	(1000 nodes as max, most lower)
17:33	Shara	paramat: 1k for tallest mountains sounds nice to me
17:33	Shara	It also gives a lot more scope for implementing biomes at different heights
17:34	Mr_Pardison	Shara: would that chop the mountain flush or allow it to continue to a peak above 1k?
17:34	paramat	no chop, rough max
17:34	twoelk	the shape of mons olympus is actually rather strange - alone the base is something like a 2k high plateau ending in sheer cliffs
17:34	Shara	On the other hand, since biome registration takes absolute y values, if you set a mountain biome to 500+ then it will never appear on most maps
17:34	Mr_Pardison	would make for an interesting exploration.
17:34	paramat	i have been considering a 'cloudlike' ore type, for node-clouds
17:35	Shara	biome heights should possibly be variable based on mapgen selected
17:35	paramat	.. for situations where the engine clouds won't do the job
17:36	Mr_Pardison	is there an option in settings to change the speed and/or direction of the clouds?
17:36	twoelk	biome hights will have to keep skylands in mind
17:36	Shara	twoelk: at what height do they start?
17:37	* twoelk	irks away from a direct question
17:37	Shara	:D
17:38	* Mr_Pardison	indirectly asks twoelk at what height does skylands start?
17:38	paramat	y = 1024
17:38	paramat	for mgv7 floatlands
17:38	paramat	(disabled by default)
17:38	Shara	It's just that if you have lowland and highland variations for a biome, registered as separate biomes, then the point you might want one to turn into the other is likely to switch depending on how much map is every going to be at a certain height
17:38	paramat	yes
17:39	Shara	On v7 you need the switch quite a bit under 200 or you'll basically never see the highland version... but on carpathian mayb you don't want it until 400
17:39	Shara	maybe*
17:40	* twoelk	hides under the table and is thankfull for paramat's insight
17:40	paramat	well even if carpathian 500 node mountains are rare, and mgv7 goes to 500 sometimes
17:40	paramat	*even in
17:40	Shara	paramat: if so I never saw it
17:41	* twoelk	mumbles -switches are cool- and hides again
17:41	paramat	yes carpathian is a little higher
17:41	Shara	v7 and valleys are the two mapgens I spent the most time with, and above 200 is fairly rare on both
17:48	twoelk	if we ever do have stacked realms then having clouds on different levels is a must
17:49	* twoelk	wonders wether clouds underground would be usefull
17:49	paramat	oh er yes there is a cloud API now, speed and direction are settable, also cloud thickness and colour
17:50	* Mr_Pardison	yays
17:50	paramat	settable per-player
17:50	Mr_Pardison	now I can set the clouds to crimson :D
17:50	paramat	i even tried glowing pink thunderheads at 2000 nodes per second, no problem
17:51	twoelk	so not every player sees the same clouds?
17:51	Mr_Pardison	ANAND: just thought of a potential bug for the bounty system. Has to be a way to prevent a player from setting a bounty on a player who has the same IP address as them as this would allow the system to be abused.
17:52	ANAND	Mr_Pardison, players with the same IP needn't be the same physical person.
17:52	paramat	and cloud altitude is settable, so when a player travels to another realm, clouds can be moved to that realm
17:52	ANAND	How do you say that this could get abused btw?
17:52	paramat	whether players see different clouds is up to the server, usually they will
17:53	paramat	cloud-abuse?
17:53	Mr_Pardison	Well, if a player doesn't need to supply the item for the bounty price, then they could set one on a player who has the same IP address as them (use of an alt account) and then collect the reward by killing them and thus getting a lot of items.
17:53	ANAND	paramat, lol
17:54	ANAND	Oh so you mean that the setter should not have the same IP as the target itself?
17:54	Mr_Pardison	exactly.
17:54	ANAND	Right
17:54	ANAND	....
17:54	xerox123	oooooh something that clears your bounty for a small price
17:54	* twoelk	often plays with several relatives from the same room and thus same IP
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17:55	xerox123	too many edge cases!!!!!
17:55	paramat	oh misread as "How do you say that this cloud get abused btw?" hehe
17:55	ANAND	small price = Death with upper-case 'D'
17:55	ANAND	Too much cross-talk atm.. XD
17:55	Mr_Pardison	got disconnected.
17:55	Mr_Pardison	then we shall commence the great pinging to direct messages as they are needed.
17:55	ANAND	I'll take care of it Monsieur_P :)
17:56	* twoelk	muses on wether uppercase Death is a thing
17:56	Mr_Pardison	Je vous remercie ANAND
17:57	ANAND	de rien monsieur!
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17:59	* twoelk	hopes that some mt mg will have switches for things like central lake or spawn atop a mountain or map border sea one day
18:01	Mr_Pardison	!seen tenplus1
18:01	MinetestBot	Mr_Pardison: tenplus1 was last seen at 2018-05-12 19:56:46 UTC on #minetest-hub
18:10	xerox123_	Only 5 days
18:13	Shara	Mr_Pardison: sounds like th emod you are making isn't what I hoped for then
18:13	Mr_Pardison	I'm trying to cover my bases here.
18:13	Shara	You realise friends would just set bounties on each other to abuse that system anyway?
18:13	twoelk	hm playing with Amidstest reveals that mg5 is a lot wetter than I noticed :-D
18:13	Shara	They can take it in terms carrying no items while they kill each other
18:14	* Mr_Pardison	c's
18:15	ANAND	Shara, what do you suggest? How exactly would you like the mod to function?
18:15	* Mr_Pardison	pulls out some paper and a pen
18:16	Shara	Same IP shouldn't be prevented. Just make sure the reward is what the player places
18:16	Mr_Pardison	k
18:16	ANAND	Right
18:16	Shara	Idealy you'd be able to increase a bounty as well
18:16	ANAND	Hmm
18:17	Shara	So say I annoyed you somehow, you get set a 50 diamonds bounty on me... and another player later on might add to it
18:17	Shara	you might*
18:17	xerox123_	rankings points deduction for dying with too many swords :P
18:17	ANAND	Good idea, Shara
18:17	Shara	On setting or adding to a bounty, the player giving items loses them
18:17	twoelk	ooh ganging up to increase the bounty
18:18	Mr_Pardison	twoelk: stacking!
18:18	Shara	Then those items are added to list of the items being offered for that person
18:18	ANAND	yes that's how the setting-part works
18:18	Shara	So it can never be abused to create new items
18:18	Shara	(unless you mess up the code)
18:18	ANAND	:P
18:19	ANAND	I feel like doing my final year project now... XD
18:19	Mr_Pardison	and grades are due today for my grade...
18:20	ANAND	nice!
18:20	twoelk	hm, so rival gangs can increase the bounty on each other - and - in the end wealth swap :-D
18:20	ANAND	heh
18:21	Mr_Pardison	well, when you put it like that, yeah.
18:22	Shara	Exactly
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18:22	Shara	Paying up front will discourage setting bounties on new players as well
18:23	Shara	Since they might not come back and then you'd lose your investment
18:23	Shara	You might also need to have a register on join for bounty contributors who are not online at the time a target is killed, so that they are informed when they next sign in
18:24	ANAND	right
18:24	Shara	either that or some other way they can find out
18:25	ANAND	Shara, would 4 slots be sufficient for setting the initial prize?
18:25	Shara	Why do you need slots?
18:26	ANAND	So that the players would place the bounty right from their inventory
18:26	Shara	As long as a bounty can be added to, it doesnt matter
18:26	ANAND	Felt more intuitive to me
18:26	ANAND	ah ok
18:26	Shara	Are you putting the slots in an inventory tab for the player, or an item?
18:26	ANAND	player
18:26	Shara	Pesonally I'd make it an item only the admin has access to, so they can set up a bounty station
18:27	Shara	Then you have to go to a specific place to set or collect bounties
18:27	ANAND	Nice idea!
18:27	Shara	Could be more interesting.. because if someone just killed you fo r abounty and you want revenge... you know where they might be going next
18:27	ANAND	New node?
18:28	Shara	Yes
18:28	Shara	That's what I'd look at attempting anyway
18:30	Shara	I've this on my desired mods list for quite a while. Actually it's the only one I've added to the public list (scroll down on http://rc.minetest.tv/how-to-help/ if you want to read, though not much detail there)
18:30	Shara	I've had*
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19:08	ShadowBot	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/333 -- Shaders - Darker bottom surfaces (to match brighter top surfaces) by MirceaKitsune
19:08	rubenwardy	lol
19:08	rubenwardy	thanks ShadowBot
19:11	Jordach	IhrFussel: works perfectly fine in safari
19:12	ANAND	IhrFussel, you can try shades of yellow
19:13	Jordach	00FF00
19:13	Jordach	^ good colour that
19:13	Jordach	don't forget the <marquee> and comic sans
19:13	Jordach	oh, and combine it with <blink>
19:14	Jordach	</sarcasm>
19:14	rubenwardy	blink is not longer supported by most browsers, unfortunately
19:14	IhrFussel	I think a player just found a critical bug in MT
19:15	IhrFussel	Pirate: {Main} problem is, when a block further them the map goes is broken, it is considered collected, but is replaced with another one. Infinite diamonds.
19:15	rubenwardy	sounds like a mod bug
19:15	rubenwardy	mainly because there are no blocks further than the map goes
19:16	IhrFussel	My map_gen_limit is 15000 and the diamondblock is exactly at 15000
19:16	IhrFussel	Nope it's at 15,001
19:16	Krock	Jordach, Comic Papyrus pls
19:18	IhrFussel	2018-05-17 21:17:21: ACTION[Server]: Pirate digs default:stone_with_diamond at (0,-1024,-2997)
19:18	IhrFussel	2018-05-17 21:17:21: WARNING[Server]: Map::getNodeMetadata(): Block not found
19:18	IhrFussel	2018-05-17 21:17:21: WARNING[Server]: Map::removeNodeMetadata(): Block not found
19:18	IhrFussel	Wait what??
19:18	Mr_Pardison	Argghh! Pirate m8y!
19:19	IhrFussel	MT THINS Pirate is at X 0 but he's at X 15,000
19:19	IhrFussel	THINKS*
19:19	IhrFussel	This sounds like a huge exploit
19:21	Krock	bugs
19:21	IhrFussel	Ok I'm confused
19:21	IhrFussel	When Pirate digs diamondblock at 15,001 with admintool it seems to get replaced...when I do it it's gone
19:25	IhrFussel	Maybe some priv that allows me to dig beyond the mapgen limit?
19:26	paramat	what version of MT?
19:27	IhrFussel	0.4.17-dev
19:27	IhrFussel	I swear it REALLY works
19:28	IhrFussel	I just created a new test account and tp to 14,999 and digging 15,000+ nodes works plus they reappear
19:29	IhrFussel	Come to my server if you don't believe it
19:29	IhrFussel	I have no mod that has such a behavior, it must be in the engine
19:33	Jordach	inb4 fixed in 0.5-dev
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19:38	paramat	you mean recent backports-0.4 branch?
19:39	paramat	if mapgen limit is 15000 no nodes will generate beyond 15000
19:39	IhrFussel	That's wrong, nodes generate a bit after the limit
19:40	paramat	probably a mod
19:40	IhrFussel	Ok then let me test SP
19:40	paramat	no they don't, i should know :)
19:40	Mr_Pardison	I can confirm that nodes will generate beyond the limit, even if set at max size.
19:41	Mr_Pardison	I've seen lava flowing out of the side where the world itself ends.
19:45	IhrFussel	In SP the map ends at 14,927 ... but I set mapgen_limit 15,000 on my server
19:48	Krock	Jordach, yes, it's most likely fixed there
19:49	Krock	IhrFussel, mapblocks don't stop where you want them
19:49	Krock	or rather - the mapgen.
19:49	Krock	it'll take the nearest lower value
19:50	IhrFussel	Guys...looks like I copied the WRONG setting name from someone in the forum when I created my server
19:50	IhrFussel	I had "map_generation_limit" in my conf instead of "mapgen_limit"
19:52	IhrFussel	Now I changed the setting name and increased it to 15,200 which should mean that the exploit is fixed
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20:03	IhrFussel	STOP is the setting name mapgen_limit or map_generation_limit?
20:04	Krock	IhrFussel, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/backport-0.4/minetest.conf.example#L1184
20:05	IhrFussel	But some mods use map_generatiion_limit...
20:07	Krock	define "mods"
20:07	rubenwardy	that was the old name
20:08	IhrFussel	rubenwardy, when was it changed?
20:08	rubenwardy	no idea
20:08	IhrFussel	I set up my server in May 2016
20:10	Krock	changed by https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/ec0c4d33d
20:11	paramat	of course, it is possible to generate world and then reduce mapgen_limit afterwards, then you have world ouside mapgen_limit
20:12	IhrFussel	paramat, but mapgen_limit is still a conf setting or world.mt?
20:12	IhrFussel	Or wherever the mapgen stuff is stored
20:12	paramat	but no mapchunk will generate that has any part of itslef (including the 16 node buffer zone) outside the limit
20:13	IhrFussel	I found mapgen_limit = 31000 in map_meta.txt
20:14	paramat	mapgen_limit is now per-world so will be stored in map_meta.txt
20:14	IhrFussel	Does the map_meta value override the conf value?
20:15	Krock	yes, the minetest.conf value is only used as a fallback if it's not specified in the map meta file yet
20:15	paramat	.. according to the setting active at world creation. the only way to change it now for a world is to edit map_meta.txt
20:15	IhrFussel	That's a pretty critical change you made there before 0.4.16 released
20:16	IhrFussel	Luckily I created a mod which would tp players back if they went too far anyway
20:17	Krock	and yet it's a year since the change and you were the only one who noticed it
20:17	paramat	yes, stuff changes, can't remember if i made a news post about it. it's mostly a good change because it should of course be per-world. the previous behaviour caused more problems
20:18	IhrFussel	Yes I agree there but I think quite a few server owners believed that the conf setting would still apply
20:19	IhrFussel	Maybe there aren't many servers that even limit the map to less than 31,000
20:21	Shara	It's only really needed on busier servers
20:22	paramat	if i didn't make a news post, sorry
20:22	Shara	Ones that don't get much use are less likely to increase the map size to a point where you'd need to think about limiting it
20:23	paramat	oh heh see https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=17108
20:24	paramat	^_^
20:25	paramat	i'm actually pretty good at making news announcements, see all my topics
20:25	* paramat	feels smug
20:26	IhrFussel	It#s fine, I wasn't very active in the forums back then and my mod saved me from map areas beyond 15,000 being generated ... and it looks like I managed to fix the farming exploit (nodes reappearing after digging) by setting some mapgen limit values higher in some mods
20:27	IhrFussel	Still not sure how a mod could've allowed regular players to farm infinite ores
20:33	IhrFussel	Maybe item_drop?
20:34	IhrFussel	It must be a mod with digplayer() callback correct?
20:35	IhrFussel	dignode*
20:43	sofar	show the mod code
20:45	IhrFussel	sofar, https://pastebin.com/HCW7adHG
20:46	IhrFussel	Can't be it, has no dig/punch/drop callbacks
20:46	sofar	probably not, yes
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22:14	ircSparky	what is the diffence between RGB and RRGGBB? is the latter 10x more precise?
22:18	ThomasMonroe	well the first you only get 256 values per color, whereas in the latter you get 16^16
22:28	ircSparky	I guess i dont know what the difference is
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22:36	ThomasMonroe	ircSparky, more choices
22:36	ThomasMonroe	that's about it xD
22:37	ircSparky	ok
22:46	sofar	ircSparky: RGB is just an acronym, can mean anything
22:46	sofar	RRGGBB means 8bit R value, 8bit G value, 8bit B value, therefore 24bits total
22:46	sofar	it also means, no alpha bits
22:46	sofar	there's also AARRGGBB and RRGGBBAA
22:50	BillyS	And ARRRGGGGGHHH too.
22:50	BillyS	That mesaures levels of frustration
23:05	ircSparky	lawl
23:05	ircSparky	so, where could i find an example of how to coloroze stuff?
23:06	ircSparky	i tried this
23:06	ircSparky	local skin = "hair1.png^[colorize:#121144"
23:06	ShadowBot	ircSparky: Error: Delimiter not found in "HTTP Error 404: Not Found"
23:06	ircSparky	wups
23:07	rud0lf	ircSparky: http://colorizer.org/
23:07	rud0lf	if you struggle with rgb values
23:08	rud0lf	121144 is slightly blue-ish
23:09	ircSparky	ok
23:09	ircSparky	so
23:09	ircSparky	is it using 12 as R, 11 as G, and 44 for B?
23:12	ircSparky	hm, hex seems to work, sort of...
23:13	ircSparky	do you get more of a GIMP "colorize" effect just by changing the alpha?
23:14	ircSparky	hm, I guess GIMP just changes the hue of each pixel, without messing with value (unless you ask it to)
23:24	ircSparky	so how would i do 7C4F2D with alpha?
23:24	ircSparky	hm
23:25	ircSparky	when i mess with the Alpha on the size the hex value stays the same
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23:52	paramat	alpha is translucency and has nothing to do with colour
23:53	paramat	oops i see you know

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