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| 00:02 |
ircSparky |
this probably is also messing up my node timer item spawning system |
| 00:14 |
paramat |
will look in a few mins |
| 00:24 |
ircSparky |
k thanks |
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paramat |
what value is 'elapsed' for the buggy airdrop? |
| 00:51 |
paramat |
in 'on timer', "elapsed is the total time passed since the timer was started" |
| 00:52 |
paramat |
so i would expect '30' |
| 00:53 |
ircSparky |
well just now |
| 00:53 |
ircSparky |
after 17-ish seconds after dropping |
| 00:53 |
ircSparky |
the timer was ~52 |
| 00:54 |
paramat |
weird. no idea so far |
| 00:56 |
ircSparky |
yea, it will tell you when you run it (in chat) |
| 00:56 |
ircSparky |
the elapsed time whenever on_timer is triggered |
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| 10:46 |
Fixer |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=19869&view=unread#p318491 |
| 10:49 |
Fixer |
god damn that tool is shaping up good |
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| 11:21 |
nerzhul |
nice but javashit |
| 11:25 |
ANAND |
Greetings, does the Lua API support custom keybindings? |
| 11:26 |
NathanS21 |
unfortunately no. |
| 11:26 |
NathanS21 |
There are some kinda hacky workarounds, but I'm not sure how any of them actually work. |
| 11:38 |
ANAND |
oh :/ |
| 11:38 |
ANAND |
thanks |
| 12:15 |
ANAND |
Is there a way to get an Itemstack from mod_storage? |
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| 12:35 |
ANAND |
o/ Mr_Pardison |
| 12:36 |
Mr_Pardison |
O7 ANAND |
| 12:36 |
ANAND |
the whole mod needs a redo |
| 12:36 |
ANAND |
lots of unnecessary code here and there |
| 12:37 |
ANAND |
the PR is going to take a couple of days |
| 12:37 |
ANAND |
...to submit |
| 12:37 |
* Mr_Pardison |
would like to point out that this is his first foray into making a full-fledged mod |
| 12:37 |
ANAND |
Oh I understand |
| 12:37 |
ANAND |
I'm just saying |
| 12:37 |
ANAND |
I no expert either, I've just made two :) |
| 12:37 |
ANAND |
I'm* |
| 12:38 |
Mr_Pardison |
The only other things I've done with lua are making a fork of technic so it supports plant life from Ethereal NG and change the activation key for the woodcutter mod. |
| 12:38 |
ANAND |
I see |
| 12:52 |
Fixer |
nerzhul: i'm still kinda java hater (because of need to install and update it in anal way), but being written in java probably allowed to make minecraft huuuuuuuuugely moddeable |
| 12:52 |
Fixer |
and performance is quite good |
| 12:52 |
Fixer |
only annoyance is java maintenance, kinda sad windows does not include it and autoupdate it |
| 12:53 |
Fixer |
even early minecraft already had amazing mods that minetest still not have in 2018 with that luajit half-dead OOM thing |
| 12:53 |
Mr-Pardison |
Fixer: if you don't like it, then why don't you be part of the solution instead of being a problem? |
| 12:54 |
Fixer |
modding was somewhat hacky but how damn amazing it is, I have like 8 mods just on my 1.7.3 beta and it is freaking stable as a rock |
| 12:54 |
Fixer |
mods like minimap, conv inventory, speed improvers, etc |
| 12:55 |
Fixer |
also, minecraft modding has a lot of crashes too |
| 12:55 |
Fixer |
if you have big modpacks |
| 12:55 |
Fixer |
like 100-200-300 mb big |
| 12:55 |
Fixer |
whole thing starts for minutes |
| 12:55 |
Fixer |
and takes like 4GB of RAM |
| 12:55 |
Fixer |
at a minimum |
| 12:55 |
Fixer |
minetest is much more faster in this part |
| 12:56 |
Fixer |
or maybe it feels like it |
| 12:56 |
Fixer |
Mr-Pardison: i just saying that being Java is not that bad actually for minecraft |
| 12:57 |
Fixer |
CPP version is very anal and limited, yes, its render performance is much better it seems, but some aspects are degraded |
| 12:57 |
Fixer |
but java one will be a king for a very long time |
| 13:01 |
Fixer |
minetest is focused too much on engine but too little on actual games |
| 13:05 |
rubenwardy |
ANAND: parse/write_json and item:to_table() |
| 13:05 |
rubenwardy |
etc |
| 13:06 |
nerzhul |
in java you can overwrite anything by replacing jar yes |
| 13:06 |
rubenwardy |
Java has powerful reflection |
| 13:06 |
rubenwardy |
and also encourages a modular design |
| 13:06 |
rubenwardy |
would be nice if Minetest was modular |
| 13:07 |
rubenwardy |
like, the mapgens could be C++ mods which are statically compiled in |
| 13:07 |
rubenwardy |
not sure how you'd manage networking and game state well |
| 13:07 |
rubenwardy |
\o/ |
| 13:07 |
Fixer |
nerzhul: yeah, that is what people dead, jar->zip, remove that meta folder, replaces classes, ???, MODDED! And it worked amazingly good despite the very hacky feel |
| 13:08 |
Fixer |
dead = did* |
| 13:08 |
Fixer |
now it is more fancy |
| 13:08 |
Fixer |
you install forge that provides modding api and then you dump ton of mods into /mods |
| 13:09 |
Fixer |
there was modloader too in beta |
| 13:09 |
Fixer |
but I do not use it for multiplayer |
| 13:09 |
Fixer |
just direct insertion via MultiMC |
| 13:09 |
Fixer |
amazingly stable |
| 13:10 |
Fixer |
despite warning on multiplayer page - beta play over the net is very robust |
| 13:10 |
Fixer |
that is 2011 tech remind you |
| 13:10 |
Fixer |
singleplayer has worse performance though then newer versions |
| 13:10 |
Fixer |
than* |
| 13:11 |
rubenwardy |
you have a lot of vision and attention to detail (from your testing), you really should try modding/programming some time |
| 13:11 |
Fixer |
optitick + optifine fixes that to a degree |
| 13:11 |
Fixer |
me? |
| 13:11 |
Fixer |
i was thinking about modding, stuff like builder wands etc |
| 13:12 |
Fixer |
i never start it due to crazy procrastination |
| 13:12 |
Calinou |
modular C/C++ design is possible, but do you want it in a networked game that can download mods? ;) |
| 13:12 |
Calinou |
it's the reason you still have to run 32-bit Enemy Territory today, because nobody compiles mods for 64-bit there |
| 13:12 |
Calinou |
(even on Linux) |
| 13:13 |
Fixer |
i'm also long-lazy builder in minetest/minecraft |
| 13:13 |
Fixer |
my Hometown base still has dirt furniture |
| 13:13 |
Fixer |
i finally started some changes on it, but it is not fast enough |
| 13:13 |
rubenwardy |
just drop support for 32 bit |
| 13:13 |
Fixer |
i've directed my attention away for a bit, checking some minecraft beta world saves and playing on beta servers, sorry for that |
| 13:14 |
Fixer |
but when I did start minetest recently I had 2 crashes, one lua and one cpp with backtraces, so I guess I'm ok |
| 13:14 |
Fixer |
also, why can't you build two builds in one? debug and release at the same time? |
| 13:14 |
ANAND |
rubenwardy, ok thanks |
| 13:15 |
Fixer |
in one package |
| 13:15 |
Fixer |
so I don't need to rebuild if I have some crash |
| 13:15 |
rubenwardy |
it's possible CMake |
| 13:16 |
rubenwardy |
it's possible with CMake |
| 13:16 |
rubenwardy |
ie: libraries do this to provide release and debug versions |
| 13:16 |
Fixer |
also stuff like vmanip drives me crazy, I totally not understand this sorcery |
| 13:16 |
Fixer |
it feels like chinese language |
| 13:16 |
Fixer |
random symbols |
| 13:17 |
Fixer |
smth = smth weird |
| 13:17 |
rubenwardy |
I love vmanip |
| 13:17 |
ANAND |
rubenwardy, isn't the option to enable both debug and release windows only? |
| 13:17 |
rubenwardy |
it's my favourite API feature |
| 13:17 |
rubenwardy |
it's not somewhere you want to start with though |
| 13:17 |
rubenwardy |
https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/en/chapters/lvm.html |
| 13:19 |
IcyDiamond |
https://twitter.com/nixcraft/status/992393777955463169?s=19 |
| 13:19 |
IcyDiamond |
Related to earlier discussion |
| 13:19 |
IcyDiamond |
XD |
| 13:19 |
rubenwardy |
XD |
| 13:19 |
Fixer |
mc beta uses as much cpu as minetest, 1 core full pretty much |
| 13:23 |
Fixer |
i was really interested in this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bjATEz8-3c |
| 13:23 |
Fixer |
minetest should have this asap |
| 13:25 |
rubenwardy |
that's cool |
| 13:25 |
rubenwardy |
it's possible with pointed_thing and entities |
| 13:25 |
Fixer |
a lot of builders on youtube use that |
| 13:26 |
Fixer |
it is super useful |
| 13:26 |
Fixer |
you have not seen their replacer tools |
| 13:26 |
Fixer |
they damn gooooooooooooood |
| 13:26 |
rubenwardy |
also, World Painter |
| 13:26 |
Fixer |
are* |
| 13:26 |
rubenwardy |
is World Painter FOSS? Maybe it could be ported |
| 13:27 |
Fixer |
actually a lot of important stuff in MC is FOSS |
| 13:27 |
rubenwardy |
https://github.com/Captain-Chaos/WorldPainter |
| 13:27 |
rubenwardy |
it is! |
| 13:28 |
rubenwardy |
ooo https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=16649&start=25#p253252 |
| 13:28 |
Fixer |
it is also quite long standing one iirc |
| 13:28 |
rubenwardy |
links to a Minetest plugin |
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| 13:33 |
rubenwardy |
the plugin 404s |
| 13:33 |
rubenwardy |
I sent them a PM |
| 13:33 |
rubenwardy |
it's cool the official maker of WorldPainter tried to support it |
| 13:42 |
Fixer |
here another VERY USEFUL tool to have: https://youtu.be/9I3bfFkyZpM?t=126 |
| 13:43 |
Fixer |
aka block replacer |
| 13:43 |
Fixer |
one we have from Soko has fewer features |
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| 13:43 |
rubenwardy |
have you seen https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=15241 |
| 13:44 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: that is too pain to use imo, just one tool can do all of this |
| 13:44 |
Fixer |
like that builder wands |
| 13:44 |
Fixer |
with visualisation |
| 13:47 |
Fixer |
this one is funny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BceRw6oGFdg |
| 13:47 |
Fixer |
mecreeps that do various tasks for you |
| 13:47 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, it needs visuallisation |
| 14:05 |
rubenwardy |
I think I'd do a new mod for that |
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| 14:42 |
ircSparky |
would anyone be able to offer any more insight about this problem? http://irc.minetest.net/minetest-hub/2018-05-15#i_5307478 (continues just a bit on the 16th logs) |
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IcyDiamond |
can you have decorations in the world that look like item drops that lay on their side? |
| 16:00 |
IcyDiamond |
like a tree branch or a rock |
| 16:05 |
IcyDiamond |
do i have to make a custom model or does the engine support it |
| 16:08 |
sofar |
it can make entities with wielditem type I think |
| 16:09 |
ThomasMonroe |
how do I darken a texture using '^colorize'? |
| 16:10 |
IcyDiamond |
so it has to be entity? |
| 16:10 |
IcyDiamond |
aw |
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IcyDiamond |
how does leveled nodebox node work |
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Krock |
IcyDiamond, some magic and circular saw |
| 16:55 |
Krock |
check out the lua_api, we surely have some helper functions for it |
| 16:55 |
Mr-Pardison |
mostly sorcery. |
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paramat |
gerry rafferty 'baker street'? |
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rubenwardy |
what is it with american TV and showing annoying pop-ups every so often |
| 18:38 |
xerox123 |
moneeeey |
| 18:39 |
ThomasMonroe |
^ |
| 18:39 |
xerox123 |
$$$$$$$$$ |
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* Mr-Pardison |
takes some of that $$$ from xerox123 to pay for his upcoming expenses |
| 18:39 |
ThomasMonroe |
$_$ |
| 18:44 |
Fixer |
do not watch TV, it is useless |
| 18:50 |
rdococ |
Yay for hair cutsâ„¢ |
| 18:51 |
rdococ |
Fixer: I get Right-Wing Propaganda Televisionâ„¢ |
| 18:51 |
Fixer |
no |
| 18:51 |
Fixer |
TV is useless |
| 18:51 |
rdococ |
yo |
| 18:51 |
Fixer |
fully useless |
| 18:52 |
Mr-Pardison |
on what grounds do you base that claim? |
| 18:57 |
aerozoic |
Is "/last-login" a command that comes with vanilla MT? |
| 18:57 |
BakerPrime |
I think so. |
| 18:57 |
Fixer |
Mr-Pardison: my experience |
| 18:58 |
Fixer |
Mr-Pardison: TV is one of the worsest media |
| 18:58 |
Mr-Pardison |
aerozoic: AFAIK, yes. |
| 18:58 |
Mr-Pardison |
Fixer: "worsest" isn't even a word! |
| 18:59 |
rdococ |
I don't watch television. |
| 18:59 |
xerox123 |
Mr-Pardison: they hate it so much 'worse' couldn't describe it |
| 18:59 |
xerox123 |
!! |
| 19:00 |
BakerPrime |
Er |
| 19:00 |
BakerPrime |
I'm outta here, AFIRC (Away From IRC) |
| 19:00 |
Mr-Pardison |
lol k |
| 19:00 |
rdococ |
BakerPrime is yay. |
| 19:01 |
BakerPrime |
Pingz |
| 19:01 |
BakerPrime |
Ofc, rdococ, should have expected it. |
| 19:01 |
* BakerPrime |
heads back to laying 4000000 more stone tiles in-game |
| 19:01 |
rdococ |
I'm reading about how stupid Windoze 10 is |
| 19:02 |
Mr-Pardison |
you just now see how horrible it is? |
| 19:03 |
* BakerPrime |
would rather drink bleach then use Win10 |
| 19:03 |
rdococ |
No, I've known for ages |
| 19:04 |
Mr-Pardison |
I'd rather fail several classes than use w10 |
| 19:04 |
Calinou |
I used Windows 10 during university before, I didn't have a choice :( |
| 19:05 |
Mr-Pardison |
RIP Calinou |
| 19:05 |
rdococ |
School still uses Windows 7, which is good. |
| 19:06 |
rdococ |
The IT guys seem to suck at their jobs, though. Half the time the laptops appear to be reinstalling Google Chrome every time you start them up. |
| 19:06 |
Mr-Pardison |
that's sad. |
| 19:06 |
Mr-Pardison |
w7 was decent but 8 & 10 were the stuff of nightmares. |
| 19:06 |
Calinou |
I really dislike using Windows 7 now |
| 19:07 |
Calinou |
stuff is old (no recent PowerShell out of the box, so I can't install Scoop if I don't have admin privileges :P) |
| 19:07 |
Calinou |
also, it looks far more dated in terms of design |
| 19:07 |
Calinou |
there's no WSL, support for ANSI color codes in cmd.exe and so on |
| 19:09 |
Krock |
aerozoic, yes. https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/builtin/game/chatcommands.lua#L944 |
| 19:09 |
aerozoic |
thx Krock |
| 19:09 |
Krock |
!next |
| 19:09 |
MinetestBot |
Another satisfied customer. Next! |
| 19:10 |
aerozoic |
"satiisfied" is far from it XD |
| 19:10 |
* Mr-Pardison |
plays "Satisfied" from Hamilton |
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rdococ |
!previous <- I am sad this is not a thing |
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xerox123 |
hm |
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Mr-Pardison |
cya tomorrow. |
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rdococ |
Delimited continuations are yayâ„¢ |
| 21:58 |
Fixer |
cmd.exe always sucked |
| 21:58 |
Fixer |
it probably sucks even more compared to Win98 version |
| 22:06 |
Calinou |
Fixer: it's horizontally resizable in Windows 10 :P |
| 22:06 |
Fixer |
Calinou: 30 years passed... |
| 22:06 |
Calinou |
yeah |
| 22:06 |
Fixer |
i gave up on cmd.exe long ago |
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paramat |
but it's MC :/ hehe. please dont post too much MC stuff here |
| 23:38 |
paramat |
(off) is not an excuse to post too much offtopic, or post too much MC content |
| 23:45 |
paramat |
please join a MC channel to post MC content |
| 23:46 |
paramat |
and please restrain the posts about how much better MC is than MT |
| 23:47 |
rdococ |
nobody here says MC is better than MT, anyone who does think that wouldn't be here |
| 23:57 |
entuland |
isn't that the whole point of posting such messages, trying to convince others? :P |
