Time Nick Message 00:02 ircSparky this probably is also messing up my node timer item spawning system 00:14 paramat will look in a few mins 00:24 ircSparky k thanks 00:47 paramat what value is 'elapsed' for the buggy airdrop? 00:51 paramat in 'on timer', "elapsed is the total time passed since the timer was started" 00:52 paramat so i would expect '30' 00:53 ircSparky well just now 00:53 ircSparky after 17-ish seconds after dropping 00:53 ircSparky the timer was ~52 00:54 paramat weird. no idea so far 00:56 ircSparky yea, it will tell you when you run it (in chat) 00:56 ircSparky the elapsed time whenever on_timer is triggered 10:46 Fixer https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=19869&view=unread#p318491 10:49 Fixer god damn that tool is shaping up good 11:21 nerzhul nice but javashit 11:25 ANAND Greetings, does the Lua API support custom keybindings? 11:26 NathanS21 unfortunately no. 11:26 NathanS21 There are some kinda hacky workarounds, but I'm not sure how any of them actually work. 11:38 ANAND oh :/ 11:38 ANAND thanks 12:15 ANAND Is there a way to get an Itemstack from mod_storage? 12:35 ANAND o/ Mr_Pardison 12:36 Mr_Pardison O7 ANAND 12:36 ANAND the whole mod needs a redo 12:36 ANAND lots of unnecessary code here and there 12:37 ANAND the PR is going to take a couple of days 12:37 ANAND ...to submit 12:37 * Mr_Pardison would like to point out that this is his first foray into making a full-fledged mod 12:37 ANAND Oh I understand 12:37 ANAND I'm just saying 12:37 ANAND I no expert either, I've just made two :) 12:37 ANAND I'm* 12:38 Mr_Pardison The only other things I've done with lua are making a fork of technic so it supports plant life from Ethereal NG and change the activation key for the woodcutter mod. 12:38 ANAND I see 12:52 Fixer nerzhul: i'm still kinda java hater (because of need to install and update it in anal way), but being written in java probably allowed to make minecraft huuuuuuuuugely moddeable 12:52 Fixer and performance is quite good 12:52 Fixer only annoyance is java maintenance, kinda sad windows does not include it and autoupdate it 12:53 Fixer even early minecraft already had amazing mods that minetest still not have in 2018 with that luajit half-dead OOM thing 12:53 Mr-Pardison Fixer: if you don't like it, then why don't you be part of the solution instead of being a problem? 12:54 Fixer modding was somewhat hacky but how damn amazing it is, I have like 8 mods just on my 1.7.3 beta and it is freaking stable as a rock 12:54 Fixer mods like minimap, conv inventory, speed improvers, etc 12:55 Fixer also, minecraft modding has a lot of crashes too 12:55 Fixer if you have big modpacks 12:55 Fixer like 100-200-300 mb big 12:55 Fixer whole thing starts for minutes 12:55 Fixer and takes like 4GB of RAM 12:55 Fixer at a minimum 12:55 Fixer minetest is much more faster in this part 12:56 Fixer or maybe it feels like it 12:56 Fixer Mr-Pardison: i just saying that being Java is not that bad actually for minecraft 12:57 Fixer CPP version is very anal and limited, yes, its render performance is much better it seems, but some aspects are degraded 12:57 Fixer but java one will be a king for a very long time 13:01 Fixer minetest is focused too much on engine but too little on actual games 13:05 rubenwardy ANAND: parse/write_json and item:to_table() 13:05 rubenwardy etc 13:06 nerzhul in java you can overwrite anything by replacing jar yes 13:06 rubenwardy Java has powerful reflection 13:06 rubenwardy and also encourages a modular design 13:06 rubenwardy would be nice if Minetest was modular 13:07 rubenwardy like, the mapgens could be C++ mods which are statically compiled in 13:07 rubenwardy not sure how you'd manage networking and game state well 13:07 rubenwardy \o/ 13:07 Fixer nerzhul: yeah, that is what people dead, jar->zip, remove that meta folder, replaces classes, ???, MODDED! And it worked amazingly good despite the very hacky feel 13:08 Fixer dead = did* 13:08 Fixer now it is more fancy 13:08 Fixer you install forge that provides modding api and then you dump ton of mods into /mods 13:09 Fixer there was modloader too in beta 13:09 Fixer but I do not use it for multiplayer 13:09 Fixer just direct insertion via MultiMC 13:09 Fixer amazingly stable 13:10 Fixer despite warning on multiplayer page - beta play over the net is very robust 13:10 Fixer that is 2011 tech remind you 13:10 Fixer singleplayer has worse performance though then newer versions 13:10 Fixer than* 13:11 rubenwardy you have a lot of vision and attention to detail (from your testing), you really should try modding/programming some time 13:11 Fixer optitick + optifine fixes that to a degree 13:11 Fixer me? 13:11 Fixer i was thinking about modding, stuff like builder wands etc 13:12 Fixer i never start it due to crazy procrastination 13:12 Calinou modular C/C++ design is possible, but do you want it in a networked game that can download mods? ;) 13:12 Calinou it's the reason you still have to run 32-bit Enemy Territory today, because nobody compiles mods for 64-bit there 13:12 Calinou (even on Linux) 13:13 Fixer i'm also long-lazy builder in minetest/minecraft 13:13 Fixer my Hometown base still has dirt furniture 13:13 Fixer i finally started some changes on it, but it is not fast enough 13:13 rubenwardy just drop support for 32 bit 13:13 Fixer i've directed my attention away for a bit, checking some minecraft beta world saves and playing on beta servers, sorry for that 13:14 Fixer but when I did start minetest recently I had 2 crashes, one lua and one cpp with backtraces, so I guess I'm ok 13:14 Fixer also, why can't you build two builds in one? debug and release at the same time? 13:14 ANAND rubenwardy, ok thanks 13:15 Fixer in one package 13:15 Fixer so I don't need to rebuild if I have some crash 13:15 rubenwardy it's possible CMake 13:16 rubenwardy it's possible with CMake 13:16 rubenwardy ie: libraries do this to provide release and debug versions 13:16 Fixer also stuff like vmanip drives me crazy, I totally not understand this sorcery 13:16 Fixer it feels like chinese language 13:16 Fixer random symbols 13:17 Fixer smth = smth weird 13:17 rubenwardy I love vmanip 13:17 ANAND rubenwardy, isn't the option to enable both debug and release windows only? 13:17 rubenwardy it's my favourite API feature 13:17 rubenwardy it's not somewhere you want to start with though 13:17 rubenwardy https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/en/chapters/lvm.html 13:19 IcyDiamond https://twitter.com/nixcraft/status/992393777955463169?s=19 13:19 IcyDiamond Related to earlier discussion 13:19 IcyDiamond XD 13:19 rubenwardy XD 13:19 Fixer mc beta uses as much cpu as minetest, 1 core full pretty much 13:23 Fixer i was really interested in this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bjATEz8-3c 13:23 Fixer minetest should have this asap 13:25 rubenwardy that's cool 13:25 rubenwardy it's possible with pointed_thing and entities 13:25 Fixer a lot of builders on youtube use that 13:26 Fixer it is super useful 13:26 Fixer you have not seen their replacer tools 13:26 Fixer they damn gooooooooooooood 13:26 rubenwardy also, World Painter 13:26 Fixer are* 13:26 rubenwardy is World Painter FOSS? Maybe it could be ported 13:27 Fixer actually a lot of important stuff in MC is FOSS 13:27 rubenwardy https://github.com/Captain-Chaos/WorldPainter 13:27 rubenwardy it is! 13:28 rubenwardy ooo https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=16649&start=25#p253252 13:28 Fixer it is also quite long standing one iirc 13:28 rubenwardy links to a Minetest plugin 13:33 rubenwardy the plugin 404s 13:33 rubenwardy I sent them a PM 13:33 rubenwardy it's cool the official maker of WorldPainter tried to support it 13:42 Fixer here another VERY USEFUL tool to have: https://youtu.be/9I3bfFkyZpM?t=126 13:43 Fixer aka block replacer 13:43 Fixer one we have from Soko has fewer features 13:43 rubenwardy have you seen https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=15241 13:44 Fixer rubenwardy: that is too pain to use imo, just one tool can do all of this 13:44 Fixer like that builder wands 13:44 Fixer with visualisation 13:47 Fixer this one is funny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BceRw6oGFdg 13:47 Fixer mecreeps that do various tasks for you 13:47 rubenwardy yeah, it needs visuallisation 14:05 rubenwardy I think I'd do a new mod for that 14:42 ircSparky would anyone be able to offer any more insight about this problem? http://irc.minetest.net/minetest-hub/2018-05-15#i_5307478 (continues just a bit on the 16th logs) 15:59 IcyDiamond can you have decorations in the world that look like item drops that lay on their side? 16:00 IcyDiamond like a tree branch or a rock 16:05 IcyDiamond do i have to make a custom model or does the engine support it 16:08 sofar it can make entities with wielditem type I think 16:09 ThomasMonroe how do I darken a texture using '^colorize'? 16:10 IcyDiamond so it has to be entity? 16:10 IcyDiamond aw 16:37 IcyDiamond how does leveled nodebox node work 16:54 Krock IcyDiamond, some magic and circular saw 16:55 Krock check out the lua_api, we surely have some helper functions for it 16:55 Mr-Pardison mostly sorcery. 18:21 paramat gerry rafferty 'baker street'? 18:33 rubenwardy what is it with american TV and showing annoying pop-ups every so often 18:38 xerox123 moneeeey 18:39 ThomasMonroe ^ 18:39 xerox123 $$$$$$$$$ 18:39 * Mr-Pardison takes some of that $$$ from xerox123 to pay for his upcoming expenses 18:39 ThomasMonroe $_$ 18:44 Fixer do not watch TV, it is useless 18:50 rdococ Yay for hair cutsâ„¢ 18:51 rdococ Fixer: I get Right-Wing Propaganda Televisionâ„¢ 18:51 Fixer no 18:51 Fixer TV is useless 18:51 rdococ yo 18:51 Fixer fully useless 18:52 Mr-Pardison on what grounds do you base that claim? 18:57 aerozoic Is "/last-login" a command that comes with vanilla MT? 18:57 BakerPrime I think so. 18:57 Fixer Mr-Pardison: my experience 18:58 Fixer Mr-Pardison: TV is one of the worsest media 18:58 Mr-Pardison aerozoic: AFAIK, yes. 18:58 Mr-Pardison Fixer: "worsest" isn't even a word! 18:59 rdococ I don't watch television. 18:59 xerox123 Mr-Pardison: they hate it so much 'worse' couldn't describe it 18:59 xerox123 !! 19:00 BakerPrime Er 19:00 BakerPrime I'm outta here, AFIRC (Away From IRC) 19:00 Mr-Pardison lol k 19:00 rdococ BakerPrime is yay. 19:01 BakerPrime Pingz 19:01 BakerPrime Ofc, rdococ, should have expected it. 19:01 * BakerPrime heads back to laying 4000000 more stone tiles in-game 19:01 rdococ I'm reading about how stupid Windoze 10 is 19:02 Mr-Pardison you just now see how horrible it is? 19:03 * BakerPrime would rather drink bleach then use Win10 19:03 rdococ No, I've known for ages 19:04 Mr-Pardison I'd rather fail several classes than use w10 19:04 Calinou I used Windows 10 during university before, I didn't have a choice :( 19:05 Mr-Pardison RIP Calinou 19:05 rdococ School still uses Windows 7, which is good. 19:06 rdococ The IT guys seem to suck at their jobs, though. Half the time the laptops appear to be reinstalling Google Chrome every time you start them up. 19:06 Mr-Pardison that's sad. 19:06 Mr-Pardison w7 was decent but 8 & 10 were the stuff of nightmares. 19:06 Calinou I really dislike using Windows 7 now 19:07 Calinou stuff is old (no recent PowerShell out of the box, so I can't install Scoop if I don't have admin privileges :P) 19:07 Calinou also, it looks far more dated in terms of design 19:07 Calinou there's no WSL, support for ANSI color codes in cmd.exe and so on 19:09 Krock aerozoic, yes. https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/builtin/game/chatcommands.lua#L944 19:09 aerozoic thx Krock 19:09 Krock !next 19:09 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next! 19:10 aerozoic "satiisfied" is far from it XD 19:10 * Mr-Pardison plays "Satisfied" from Hamilton 20:09 rdococ !previous <- I am sad this is not a thing 20:52 xerox123 hm 21:04 Mr-Pardison cya tomorrow. 21:48 rdococ Delimited continuations are yayâ„¢ 21:58 Fixer cmd.exe always sucked 21:58 Fixer it probably sucks even more compared to Win98 version 22:06 Calinou Fixer: it's horizontally resizable in Windows 10 :P 22:06 Fixer Calinou: 30 years passed... 22:06 Calinou yeah 22:06 Fixer i gave up on cmd.exe long ago 22:55 paramat but it's MC :/ hehe. please dont post too much MC stuff here 23:38 paramat (off) is not an excuse to post too much offtopic, or post too much MC content 23:45 paramat please join a MC channel to post MC content 23:46 paramat and please restrain the posts about how much better MC is than MT 23:47 rdococ nobody here says MC is better than MT, anyone who does think that wouldn't be here 23:57 entuland isn't that the whole point of posting such messages, trying to convince others? :P