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| 00:00 |
Sokomine |
what'd help me would be a way to read the palette data from lua. short of including a lib for png support i see no way to do that :-( |
| 00:00 |
Fixer |
Sokomine: 16 probably enough |
| 00:00 |
Fixer |
"Fixed infinite loop in Windows GUI when selecting File->Exit." |
| 00:01 |
Sokomine |
sounds reasonable, yes. servers might want anything between 8 and 256 |
| 00:02 |
Shara |
Pretty sure if I suggested reducing number of coloured nodes available, my players wuld lynch me. |
| 00:02 |
Fixer |
Sokomine: making it customisable between 8-256 - even better, with some sane defaults |
| 00:02 |
Sokomine |
shara: :-) especially if they used the colors already |
| 00:03 |
Shara |
I literally have hundreds of different colours. And somehow, yes they do use them |
| 00:04 |
Fixer |
PCEM v13 will gonna be BIG |
| 00:04 |
Fixer |
B I G |
| 00:08 |
Fixer |
Sokomine: i don't remember such colouring functionality in saw, is this a new feature? |
| 00:09 |
Fixer |
anyway good night for all, answer me here, i will read irc log anyway |
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IhrFussel |
Leaving too, see ya |
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paramat |
night shift begins |
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Natechip |
Shara: ahhaha i found out how to compile minetest dev and stable on manjaro and arch |
| 02:59 |
ThomasMonroe |
hey Natechip |
| 03:00 |
Natechip |
hi ThomasMonroe |
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| 04:00 |
Natechip |
my post on how to compile minetest dev on arch based distros (manjaro) |
| 04:00 |
Natechip |
https://stolven11.github.io/minetest/p1 |
| 04:18 |
unk |
Natechip, thanks...I have been using Manjaro on the desktop for 2 years now...been using the i3 tiling window manager as well...was curious how to install on arch-based systems...thanks for posting. |
| 04:27 |
Natechip |
unk: np, that will only work for the dev versions |
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| 11:12 |
Calinou |
hi |
| 11:14 |
Krock |
hi |
| 11:36 |
Shara |
Hello all |
| 11:39 |
Amaz |
Hi :) |
| 11:40 |
Raven262 |
Hi Calinou, Krock, Shara, Amaz, lumidify, rubenwardy, Megaf, Sokomine, red-001, Fixer, nore, sofar, lisac, shivajiva, and others. |
| 11:41 |
red-001 |
please don't mass highligh |
| 11:41 |
red-001 |
highlight* |
| 11:44 |
Fixer |
omg |
| 11:46 |
Fixer |
what time is it? |
| 11:47 |
Fixer |
music sorting time :( |
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| 11:49 |
Krock |
Raven262, why not just "Hello *"? |
| 11:50 |
Fixer |
undefined reference to `es1371_device' |
| 11:50 |
Fixer |
oops |
| 11:50 |
Fixer |
please use hello/hi |
| 11:51 |
Fixer |
highlighting everything turns into shitshow |
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| 13:26 |
red-001 |
huh interesting the worldcraft binary is setup so that the same binary can be used for diffrent apps |
| 13:29 |
red-001 |
s/binary/source code |
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Megaf |
Hah |
| 13:55 |
Megaf |
Hi Raven262 |
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| 15:47 |
IhrFussel |
My bug report is 4 days old now and no core dev was able to simply copy&paste the test code into any 0.4.16+ init.lua to confirm it?? |
| 16:52 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: pffffff, FOUR DAYS OLD, if it was like FOUR years old, then I would really be alarmed |
| 16:53 |
Krock |
Fixer, you might want to start being alarmed about #34, from 2011 |
| 16:53 |
Fixer |
alarm |
| 16:53 |
rubenwardy |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/34 |
| 16:53 |
IhrFussel |
Fixer, The older an issue gets WITHOUT even being "confirmed" the less likely it will ever get confirmed |
| 16:53 |
red-001 |
!title |
| 16:53 |
ShadowBot |
Feature request: reload config files when SIGHUPped. · Issue #34 · minetest/minetest · GitHub |
| 16:54 |
IhrFussel |
I want my bug report to at least be confirmed so that devs recognize it as something to fix |
| 16:54 |
red-001 |
Krock, well can you confirm 34? |
| 16:54 |
rubenwardy |
first bug request: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/95 |
| 16:54 |
rubenwardy |
*report |
| 16:54 |
IhrFussel |
The "unconfirmed bug" label tells me "you are talking shit my friend" |
| 16:54 |
Fixer |
alarming |
| 16:56 |
Krock |
red-001, actually I never heard of that term (SIGHUP) before |
| 16:56 |
IhrFussel |
My bug report affects LOTS of different mods so that should be a high priority... I'd imagine many servers run with profiler enabled for extended times and it's just stupid that the HP modifier breaks then |
| 16:57 |
IhrFussel |
Every time I enable the profiler I HAVE TO disable damage or else my players lose EXP since they don't have 300+ HP but 20 instead which would mean monsters would kill them in an instant = not fair |
| 16:58 |
rubenwardy |
please stop using caps like that, it's incredibly annoying |
| 16:58 |
rubenwardy |
fwiw, I'm building MT now to test that init.lua |
| 16:58 |
IhrFussel |
That's my way of expressing certain words more than the rest |
| 16:58 |
rubenwardy |
doesn't make it less annoying |
| 16:58 |
Krock |
we could give you a patch to remove the profiling from that function, not sure if it's exactly what you want |
| 16:59 |
Krock |
rubenwardy, at least it's not all-caps :P |
| 17:00 |
rubenwardy |
profiler shouldn't affect functionality, just inject a timer |
| 17:00 |
rubenwardy |
I reckon it's not passing back the number probably |
| 17:00 |
IhrFussel |
The patch is not enough, I want this to be fixed in 0.5.0 which is why I reported it ... like I said it also affects 3d_armor and every other mod that relies on that callback and wants to modify the hp_change value |
| 17:00 |
rubenwardy |
as most other mods only do true/false |
| 17:01 |
rubenwardy |
will you be changing to health_max after 0.5? |
| 17:01 |
IhrFussel |
But set_hp() also calls the callback with a number and not true or false |
| 17:01 |
rubenwardy |
is there anything else different about the health system? |
| 17:04 |
IhrFussel |
When I switch to 0.5.0 someday I will likely switch to the new settable HP property but it still affects several other mods with profiler enabled and since it's a bug it should get fixed |
| 17:04 |
rubenwardy |
confirmed :P |
| 17:06 |
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| 17:10 |
Krock |
I suppose instrument_register() in profiler/ doesn't handle the multiple return values correctly |
| 17:10 |
rubenwardy |
fodun the bug |
| 17:10 |
rubenwardy |
preparing PR |
| 17:10 |
rubenwardy |
ah, you found it too |
| 17:12 |
rubenwardy |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6531 |
| 17:14 |
rubenwardy |
is that what you found too, Krock ? |
| 17:15 |
Fixer |
aaaayayyyyy, networking in pcem |
| 17:15 |
Fixer |
compile success |
| 17:15 |
rubenwardy |
? |
| 17:16 |
Krock |
rubenwardy, was in the same area but didn't notice this parenthese issue |
| 17:17 |
rubenwardy |
ah ok. I feel less bad about making the PR first then :) |
| 17:17 |
Krock |
struggled while trying to understand where "instrument" comes from and what this function actually does |
| 17:17 |
rubenwardy |
it applies a timer to the callback function |
| 17:18 |
rubenwardy |
so instead of the callback in the registered table, it's a function which sets up a timer then calls the callback |
| 17:18 |
Krock |
ah okay. Good to know |
| 17:18 |
Natechip |
Krock: i gave up windows compiling :P |
| 17:19 |
* Krock |
puts Natechip on a overflowing stack of other users |
| 17:19 |
Natechip |
Krock: just did it on manjaro (arch based_ |
| 17:19 |
Natechip |
)* |
| 17:20 |
Natechip |
and little did ik that there wasnt a way to -_- |
| 17:20 |
Natechip |
sooo I had to find packages myself :O |
| 17:23 |
shivajiva |
lol, that is the way to do it on Manjero, so many changes means you have to track down the packages, you got it compiled though? |
| 17:24 |
Krock |
rubenwardy, if it works as expected, feel free to merge it in the next time. It's just a trivial bugfix |
| 17:26 |
Natechip |
shivajiva: you bet your bottom biscuit i did :D |
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| 17:27 |
red-001 |
wb thomas |
| 17:27 |
ThomasMonroe |
thx |
| 17:36 |
rubenwardy |
hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com |
| 17:36 |
Calinou |
evening :) |
| 17:36 |
Calinou |
I revised my Godot CI build scripts: https://github.com/Calinou/godot-builds |
| 17:37 |
Calinou |
(they're in testing right now) |
| 17:37 |
Calinou |
Batch can be pretty crazy :P https://github.com/Calinou/godot-builds/blob/master/.appveyor.yml#L37-L41 |
| 17:39 |
rubenwardy |
ew |
| 17:42 |
ThomasMonroe |
Calinou what username do you have on lichess? |
| 17:44 |
Calinou |
https://lichess.org/@/Calinou |
| 17:45 |
Calinou |
I don't play often, lately |
| 17:48 |
ThomasMonroe |
ah ok thx |
| 17:49 |
ThomasMonroe |
i just got started, only played 6 rated games and am already down to "1106?" |
| 17:49 |
Calinou |
you still can add me :) |
| 17:49 |
Calinou |
the "?" means it's a provisional rating, it means Lichess isn't confident in the rating it's giving, because you didn't play a lot of rated games |
| 17:49 |
Calinou |
I'm at a low rating as well :P |
| 17:50 |
red-001 |
Thomas-S, thats quite some uptime you got |
| 17:52 |
ThomasMonroe |
:P |
| 17:55 |
red-001 |
I think the code is a bit outdated through |
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| 17:57 |
red-001 |
so you might want to update it |
| 18:08 |
rubenwardy |
is there a rosseta code for common server rules and warnings? Eg: don't spam, stop swearing, etc |
| 18:08 |
rubenwardy |
*stone |
| 18:09 |
red-001 |
don't think so |
| 18:09 |
Calinou |
like this? https://xkcd.com/1820/ :P |
| 18:10 |
Krock |
brb. printing and storing a SSL certificate |
| 18:10 |
rubenwardy |
no, translations |
| 18:10 |
rubenwardy |
I want "don't spam" etc for all major languages |
| 18:10 |
Calinou |
oh |
| 18:10 |
Calinou |
I remember Xanadu's "Ne pas jurer, detruire et relations amoureuses" :D |
| 18:11 |
Calinou |
(machine French translation of "Don't swear, grief or date players" |
| 18:11 |
red-001 |
in fairness not clicking links would solve a lot of issues |
| 18:11 |
Fixer |
xanadu's rules are meaningless more or less |
| 18:11 |
rubenwardy |
that server gives me a bad feeling for some reason. May just be all the forum gossip about moderation |
| 18:12 |
Fixer |
best option here is not talk to anything on that server, or admin gets offended and bans |
| 18:12 |
Fixer |
admin on his period |
| 18:12 |
Fixer |
feel |
| 18:14 |
Krock |
"shit" -> instaban? |
| 18:14 |
Fixer |
Krock: no, ban in very unexpected ways, that I discovered |
| 18:15 |
Fixer |
also, his remarks about players like "Who is this asshole" tells a lot |
| 18:16 |
Fixer |
there was one more case with another guy |
| 18:16 |
Fixer |
it was like REPLANT OR DIEEEEEEEEEEEEE x 100 times |
| 18:17 |
Fixer |
replant or kick* |
| 18:17 |
Fixer |
whole arguing was funny |
| 18:17 |
Calinou |
moderating a large game server is very tiring |
| 18:17 |
Fixer |
server itself is nice, but owner and stuff is very cancerous |
| 18:17 |
Calinou |
it's not like a website or a forum |
| 18:18 |
Fixer |
I kinda expect civility at least from admins |
| 18:18 |
Fixer |
and owner feels like abusive kid |
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| 18:21 |
Fixer |
what could be better than fresh windows 98 install (with drivers) |
| 18:26 |
red-001 |
did ShadowBot just get a new cloak? |
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| 18:37 |
Fixer |
red-001: "nice shtoyle" (c) |
| 18:38 |
IhrFussel |
Fixer, I heard they banned someone because he helped a "bad player" on another server |
| 18:39 |
IhrFussel |
And that they often punish players for rules that do not even exist ... you can only punish players for breaking rules and you cannot make up rules the moment the player does something you don't like... that is my opinion and I think it's the general way admins do it |
| 18:41 |
IhrFussel |
You CAN add to the rules later BUT it is completely wrong to punish players afterwards |
| 18:42 |
IhrFussel |
For example a player built something nazi-related on my server ... I then forbid it in the rules but I didn't punish the player for it cause it was before my new rule existed |
| 18:48 |
IhrFussel |
AFAIK that's also how ToS are done...nobody can punish you for something that's not part of the ToS |
| 18:51 |
IhrFussel |
rubenwardy, thanks for the PR by the way... I didn't try to have it fixed right away but that's even better than my original request |
| 18:56 |
red-001 |
well most ToS include catch all phrases that let the service operators to retroactivly change the rules and in general act at thier discretion |
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| 18:59 |
IhrFussel |
red-001, that makes no sense still...how can you punish someone for something nobody knew would be not allowed someday in the future? |
| 19:00 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: cases I seen were simple, admin/owner random abuse |
| 19:00 |
red-001 |
I don't agree with it |
| 19:00 |
red-001 |
but thats how companies tend to do it |
| 19:01 |
IhrFussel |
Like if someone used swear words a lot and now I add a "no swearing" rule...which asshole would seriously go back in the chat log and punish all of those players? That sounds unbelievable |
| 19:03 |
paramat |
IhrFussel i can see you're improving, but i agree with ruben-wardy that capitalising certain words is irritating :] |
| 19:04 |
Fixer |
oh you are all so sensitive |
| 19:04 |
red-001 |
^ |
| 19:04 |
Fixer |
it is not today chat is full of caps, s p a c i n g and ï½–ï½ï½ï½ï½’ï½—ï½ï½–ï½… |
| 19:04 |
red-001 |
well companies tend to add it to thier ToS if someone finds a way to abuse thier service that they didn't think of so they can deal with it |
| 19:04 |
red-001 |
s/if/in case |
| 19:06 |
IhrFussel |
red-001, but how can it be legally fine to punish people backdated? |
| 19:06 |
red-001 |
don't ask me I'm not a lawyer |
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| 19:37 |
IhrFussel |
"you were banned cause we admins have our reasons" is the stupidest reason I've ever read |
| 19:38 |
IhrFussel |
That seems to be the no.1 line banned players get on servers if the staff actually had *no* reason |
| 19:50 |
Shara |
I dare say there's certain things I'd ban a player for even if I don't have an explicit rule in advance |
| 19:50 |
Shara |
But that's because people have an amazing capacity to think up new ways of being rotten |
| 19:51 |
Shara |
It certainly wouldn't be "because I happen to feel like it" |
| 19:58 |
Fixer |
it would in xanadu case |
| 19:59 |
Shara |
I've had players who intentionally try to "just" avoid breaking my rules while being as abusive to other people as they possibly can |
| 20:00 |
rubenwardy |
CTF technically doesn't have any rules yet |
| 20:00 |
rubenwardy |
as I lost the rules mod |
| 20:01 |
rubenwardy |
but I'll still ban for cheat clients, as that's implicitly not allowed |
| 20:01 |
IhrFussel |
Shara, the point is you cannot punish people for something only you find wrong in your mind...you have to write it down somewhere |
| 20:02 |
Shara |
Fussel, I'm all for fairness, which you know. |
| 20:02 |
Shara |
But what actually stops me? |
| 20:02 |
IhrFussel |
What stops people from killing other people? |
| 20:03 |
IhrFussel |
Just because you can do something doesn't mean it's fine |
| 20:03 |
rubenwardy |
the law? |
| 20:03 |
Shara |
If someone does something that is clearly inappropriate or cruel on my servers, and that is clearly done with malicious intent, but I just haven't managed to capture it within my rules, why should I be compelled to let them repeat it again? |
| 20:04 |
IhrFussel |
Even in countries where no laws exist it would not be fine to kill people...way too many admins feel like gods which is big part of the reason I created my own server |
| 20:05 |
Shara |
Oddly enough I made my own precisely because the owner of a server I played on called himself "god" and tried to act like one :) |
| 20:05 |
IhrFussel |
I feel like a regular player on my server...I only add rules that I can follow...yes the admin has to follow the same rules as the players IMO |
| 20:05 |
Shara |
But you can't compare actual murder to banning a malicious player on an MT server. |
| 20:05 |
Shara |
I agree with you that banning just because you can is terrible. But admins who play it that way won't build a decent community of players. |
| 20:07 |
IhrFussel |
If the admin cannot think of enough situations that might be bad when players exploit them, then their rules are flawed |
| 20:07 |
Calinou |
<IhrFussel> That seems to be the no.1 line banned players get on servers if the staff actually had *no* reason |
| 20:07 |
Calinou |
"for no reason" |
| 20:07 |
Calinou |
https://media.hugo.pro/liek_muted.png |
| 20:07 |
Calinou |
:P |
| 20:08 |
IhrFussel |
Calinou, no.1 reason line* ... banning just for fun or because you think you can is the worst, that's true |
| 20:09 |
Shara |
Way I see it, if someone is genuinely creating a problem, whether rules cover it or not, I have a duty to the other players on the server to handle it. If I honetly believe a ban is the only way to do that, I will ban. |
| 20:10 |
Shara |
It's never without consideration. |
| 20:11 |
red-001 |
we went over this already |
| 20:12 |
Raven262 |
[offtopic] Calinou, what has the doom gotten to: https://i.imgur.com/oG88dhU.png |
| 20:12 |
Shara |
Sorry red, but it's what I walked in seeing, so I'll comment. |
| 20:12 |
IhrFussel |
That's still not fair to the player, cause they had absolutely no way to know that they wouldn't be allowed to do that... if the ban is just a temp ban then it's tolerable though |
| 20:12 |
Calinou |
Raven262: I like how indies make games less detailed than 90s games |
| 20:12 |
Calinou |
some of them seriously believe it saves up on the GPU |
| 20:12 |
IhrFussel |
But banning someone FOREVER for something they couldn't have known is wrong in every way |
| 20:13 |
Calinou |
Raven262: do you want to play some Freedoom coop, by the way? |
| 20:13 |
paramat |
Shara is right, you can never predict what rules will be needed and specified |
| 20:13 |
Shara |
Fussel, abusive behaviour is always wrong. |
| 20:14 |
paramat |
as long as there is a good reason, stated in rules or not makes no difference |
| 20:14 |
Raven262 |
Calinou, not this evening, i'm rather tired, sorry. |
| 20:14 |
Shara |
I don't need a "don't shoplift" sign in a store to know it's not a nice thing to do, or expect people to wear "please don't punch me" badges. |
| 20:14 |
IhrFussel |
paramat, still: banning someone forever is wrong...you should ban them for some time and apply that rule to the rules in the meantime |
| 20:14 |
paramat |
forever might be justified occasionally |
| 20:15 |
IhrFussel |
You usually use more general terms to keep the rules short... like "respect each other" includes a lot already |
| 20:16 |
Shara |
Fussel, yet plenty will say they didn't understand that to mean whatever thing they did anyway |
| 20:17 |
IhrFussel |
To ban someone forever could be justified if the action the player did was something you could explain with *common sense* |
| 20:17 |
Shara |
You just made my own case for me then :) |
| 20:17 |
Calinou |
Raven262: it's ok :) |
| 20:18 |
IhrFussel |
But if the admin thinks a player who critized the server needs to be banned even though there was no rules that forbids it (extreme case) I find it wrong to ban |
| 20:19 |
IhrFussel |
To be able to critize is common sense I'd say |
| 20:19 |
rubenwardy |
that is wrong |
| 20:30 |
IhrFussel |
Critique is allowed in almost every modern country ... you shouldn't expect from the people that they would know that it's not allowed on your server...and in general a server with such a rule is a dictatorship in my eyes |
| 20:32 |
Calinou |
players clearly viewed as abusive by the majority also ought to get the boot |
| 20:32 |
Calinou |
and, griefers or immature players are not very popular on most servers :) |
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| 20:34 |
paramat |
servers are a benign dictatorship and have to be. polite and reasonable criticism from a player is of course fine |
| 20:35 |
IhrFussel |
Critique is by definition polite...everything else is discrimination/insulting, that's how I learned it |
| 20:37 |
IhrFussel |
Of course I don't expect you to tolerate players saying "meh this server is really crappy" that is not critique |
| 20:39 |
IhrFussel |
Also if my server must be a "dictatorship" then it's a reasonable one where every player keeps their basic rights and nobody is treated in an unfair way |
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red-001 |
nerzhul, how are channels meant to be used? |
| 20:41 |
nerzhul |
hello |
| 20:41 |
red-001 |
most packets use channel 0 |
| 20:41 |
nerzhul |
oh you talk about UDP MT protocol |
| 20:41 |
nerzhul |
i don't know it's sapier code |
| 20:41 |
red-001 |
oh ok |
| 20:42 |
red-001 |
I will just copy what other packets do then |
| 20:42 |
nerzhul |
and i rewrote network in the new code no channel, because not needed |
| 20:42 |
nerzhul |
red-001, what do you try to implement ? |
| 20:42 |
nerzhul |
if i'm correct channel is more related to reliability |
| 20:42 |
red-001 |
just a simple packet with server info for the pause menu |
| 20:43 |
red-001 |
part of https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6528 |
| 20:43 |
nerzhul |
oh nice |
| 20:44 |
red-001 |
will also allow for more information about remoute server to be displayed |
| 20:46 |
red-001 |
I planning to reimplement my on join/leave player CSM callback |
| 20:46 |
red-001 |
since we are breaking network compatibily I wouldn't have to deal with servers that don't send accurate player list information |
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| 21:14 |
benrob0329 |
Oh, and just so everyone knows I am back from vacation, with some video ideas and a new camera :PP |
| 21:21 |
Sokomine |
fixer: the saw is just learning to do hardware coloring. most of the remaining trouble comes from translating the 256 color palette the full block may have to some(?) other palettes diffrent (colored) versions of the saw nodes may have |
| 21:21 |
Sokomine |
fixer: 13:47 is music sorting time? :-) |
| 21:22 |
Fixer |
Sokomine: and it was fail |
| 21:31 |
Sokomine |
regarding xanandu: most of the time it's no problem at all to play there. the moderators and players are friendly. and yes...the rules and their interpretations don't exactly match what i'd consider...desirable. so..build, enable save to localmap, and it won't matter too much (the next map reset will happen sooner or later anyway...) |
| 21:33 |
Sokomine |
maybe you ought to think less about punishing players for something. and yes, there may be situations where the rules don't cover the situation. most server admins act sensible and find a good solution in such a case |
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| 21:35 |
Sokomine |
shara: *g* yes. that's a problem. some players may be very creative. too strict adherence to rules might give them freedom to do really unwanted things. the rules are after all more guidelines than a set of laws covering all situations |
| 21:38 |
Sokomine |
IhrFussel: that's less of a problem. shara and admins like her would talk to the player, and if it's a misunderstanding, a ban would really be very unlikely |
| 21:40 |
IhrFussel |
Sokomine, I just responded to the xanadu forum thread where someone apparently has been banned for helping a banned player on another server... And this ban is FINAL ... I was rather talking about such stupid bans |
| 21:41 |
IhrFussel |
To ban the friend of a banned players just for the sake of him being the banned player's friend is ridiculous |
| 21:42 |
Shara |
From my experiences, when something like that happens, there's usually a lot more going on in the background |
| 21:42 |
IhrFussel |
And xanadu's admin came to my server earlier responding to my forum thread's post |
| 21:42 |
Shara |
Which admin? Xanadu has two. |
| 21:42 |
IhrFussel |
Instead of answering in the forum topic |
| 21:42 |
IhrFussel |
Shinji_Ikari the one who controls everything |
| 21:43 |
Sokomine |
IhrFussel: ah. i didn't have time to catch up on the forum yet. but what you describe doesn't sound entirely unprecedented |
| 21:44 |
Shara |
Fussel, really? You're telling a server owner they don't have the right to ban someone from their server? |
| 21:44 |
Shara |
And you expect a favourable response from them? |
| 21:44 |
IhrFussel |
Shara, I didn't tell them to stop, I gave them my 2 cents which means "in my opinion the way you act a staff is completely wrong" |
| 21:44 |
Sokomine |
talk to tenplus1 if you want to talk about xanandu. he's usually here and no problem to talk to him :-) |
| 21:45 |
IhrFussel |
If they don't care about me seeing their behavior as "bad staff" then they could just ignore my post...but I have the right to express my opinion about their capabilities of managing a server |
| 21:46 |
Shara |
Still, dropping that in public isn't exactly a nice thing to do either. |
| 21:46 |
Shara |
And you do realise the player's you are defending seem to have made problems in a lot of places. |
| 21:47 |
IhrFussel |
And I had many players who "fled" from the server, so I don't make that stuff up |
| 21:47 |
red-001 |
and we are back to this |
| 21:47 |
Shara |
I don't always agree with what Shinji says or does either, but it's his server. :) |
| 21:47 |
Sokomine |
red: sorry :-( just read the log and replied |
| 21:48 |
IhrFussel |
One of my moderators is an ex-moderator on xanadu and she also confirmed to me what other players have told me before |
| 21:48 |
Sokomine |
exactly. shara has it right |
| 21:48 |
red-001 |
we will need #minetest-bad-admins at this rate |
| 21:48 |
Krock |
I'm there! >:D |
| 21:48 |
Shara |
red-001: you're welcome not to read. |
| 21:48 |
Sokomine |
no, sorry, krock, you don't qualify :-) |
| 21:48 |
Shara |
Hehe |
| 21:48 |
* Krock |
leaves that channel again :'( |
| 21:49 |
red-001 |
well now I own the channel |
| 21:49 |
* red-001 |
parts |
| 21:49 |
Krock |
congratulations, I guess? |
| 21:49 |
Sokomine |
maybe...we could put maikaumine in :) he creates intresting servers - and then refuses to add rules to them :-) no protection :-(( (just joking :)) |
| 21:49 |
red-001 |
huh can you force irc clients to join a channel? |
| 21:49 |
rubenwardy |
red-001, I turned off my server for a year and a half. Do I account? |
| 21:49 |
rubenwardy |
*count |
| 21:49 |
Krock |
red-001, only the network can |
| 21:49 |
red-001 |
sure all are welcome |
| 21:50 |
red-001 |
* by all I mean bad admins |
| 21:50 |
IhrFussel |
I'm not here to complain about bad admins... I just support human rights and fairness on all levels and I tell my opinion when I see something that is not fair on both sides |
| 21:50 |
Sokomine |
rubenwardy: depends. too many do that. on the other hand..players have no right to request a server to stay up, so...i'm afraid you don't qualify. sorry :-) |
| 21:51 |
Shara |
Well, after your comments Fussel, I don't even know if I can or can't join bad-admins :( |
| 21:51 |
rubenwardy |
:'( |
| 21:51 |
Sokomine |
maybe red can write a bot that maintains the channel. a bot can surely act as a bad admin and ban every player who joins a server |
| 21:51 |
rubenwardy |
the best thing about CTF is apart from rankings, there's nothing really to keep up |
| 21:51 |
red-001 |
Sokomine, lets make chanserv a bad admin |
| 21:51 |
red-001 |
/ban * |
| 21:51 |
Shara |
(other than my still failing attempts to get good screenshots!) |
| 21:52 |
red-001 |
Shara, make the client spam screenshots |
| 21:52 |
Sokomine |
red: poor chanserv :-) hasn'd done anything bad either |
| 21:52 |
Shara |
rubenwardy: why don't you have players who actually fight!? :( |
| 21:52 |
red-001 |
pros: one of them must be good |
| 21:52 |
red-001 |
cons: you need to by a few more 5tb harddrives |
| 21:52 |
Shara |
No, impossible to get nice screenshots of multiple players fighting at once when they don't fight... |
| 21:52 |
red-001 |
s/by/buy |
| 21:53 |
Sokomine |
ctf? |
| 21:53 |
Shara |
capture the flag |
| 21:53 |
Sokomine |
ah |
| 21:53 |
Krock |
Call The Firemen |
| 21:53 |
rubenwardy |
Sokomine, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=13157 |
| 21:53 |
rubenwardy |
also, those are very old screenshots |
| 21:54 |
rubenwardy |
the old map |
| 21:54 |
Krock |
good old guests |
| 21:54 |
IhrFussel |
I'm not against creating rules on servers that seem "silly" to many... I simply find it wrong to treat players who probably put a lot of effort into your service, like that ... and if you deeply think about it you'd agree |
| 21:56 |
red-001 |
:( seems that their is no-one willing to work on CSM for 0.5 |
| 21:56 |
IhrFussel |
Sometimes admins don't understand what a permanent ban means for the player: They lose EVERYTHING on that server ... so the reason to ban them should be a *good* one |
| 21:56 |
Sokomine |
rubenwardy: ah. that kind of game doesn't really match my intrests. but i'm sure many younger players like such games |
| 21:56 |
Shara |
Fussel, maybe consider that admins just might be taking that into consideration before they ban? |
| 21:56 |
rubenwardy |
the best players are ~19-22 |
| 21:57 |
rubenwardy |
a few of those |
| 21:57 |
IhrFussel |
Shara, I don't believe that they do or else they wouldn't ban for smaller issues let alone things that weren't even part of the rules |
| 21:57 |
Shara |
Okay, well I guess we established that you believe I'm a ban admin then. So be it. |
| 21:58 |
Shara |
bad* |
| 21:58 |
IhrFussel |
There are other ways to punish players...*without* taking their account...and my server shows such another way |
| 21:58 |
Shara |
bad-banning*? |
| 21:58 |
Sokomine |
rubenwardy: as i said...young :) |
| 21:59 |
IhrFussel |
Shara, you don't fully understand my intentions: I doubt that you would ban a player forever over something like "he's a friend of a banned player" |
| 21:59 |
Shara |
I understand quite well. |
| 21:59 |
Sokomine |
hm, you could also run one of those autoban-bots that look for forbidden words and ban based on that. that'd be a good qualification for bad/incapable/inexperienced admin |
| 21:59 |
Shara |
You seem to have an issue with this specific ban on one specific server, but are making it a much mor general issue. |
| 22:00 |
Shara |
I agree bans should be made with consideration, but I disagree with you completely that a ban can only be made with a specific rule. |
| 22:00 |
shivajiva |
hmm we use those to kick players not ban them usually |
| 22:00 |
Sokomine |
hm, yes, ihrfussel seems to want to take freedom further, while shara takes a more practical approach. it's unlikely that players would have serious problems on either server without seriously and purposefully misbehaving |
| 22:00 |
Shara |
And now I'm going back to taking screenshots. |
| 22:01 |
Sokomine |
:-) screenshots of what? |
| 22:01 |
Shara |
CTF :) |
| 22:01 |
Shara |
And maybe some other things. |
| 22:01 |
Sokomine |
ah. hm. doesn't sound like a building-orientated server to me? actual...fighting... |
| 22:01 |
* Sokomine |
runs away |
| 22:02 |
rubenwardy |
Sokomine, it's supposed to be focused on base defence and offense |
| 22:02 |
rubenwardy |
so building walls and castles, and defending and assulting |
| 22:02 |
rubenwardy |
however players don't defend at all, they just walk cluelessly around |
| 22:03 |
rubenwardy |
and so players can just quickly dig in, grab flag, run out |
| 22:04 |
shivajiva |
if a player runs the risk of losing everything, you'd think they would behave on a server but that doesn't seem to be the case, players that value what they have make good candidates for helpers and the divide starts to form. |
| 22:05 |
IhrFussel |
shivajiva, but would you ban a player for something they did and it was never stated? How can server owners say it's OK to punish someone for something they had no way of knowing about |
| 22:06 |
Sokomine |
rubenwardy: my castles take way too much time, and griefers would not be welcomed at all |
| 22:06 |
rubenwardy |
well, functional keeps not decorative |
| 22:06 |
Shara |
Fussel... there are certain things that it's just universally bad to do regardless of whether rules say. You seem to be missing this point. |
| 22:06 |
rubenwardy |
I quite like how making them functional for defence causes different designs and strategies |
| 22:07 |
Sokomine |
mine are decorative :-) they just pretend to be functional :-) |
| 22:07 |
rubenwardy |
but yeah, no everyone's cup of tea |
| 22:07 |
rubenwardy |
I'm building one on RC atm |
| 22:07 |
Sokomine |
that's right. and it's good that such a server exists |
| 22:07 |
rubenwardy |
trying to make it realisticly defender |
| 22:08 |
shivajiva |
then we have the players that pretend to be reasonable to see if they can get a position of power and turn into trolls when refused. Banning people for no reason isn't acceptable either, I have only met one such server owner who wasn't a child and they don't hang round MT any longer |
| 22:08 |
Sokomine |
that sounds good, rubenwardy. do you have a screenshot? |
| 22:08 |
IhrFussel |
Shara, that still doesn't mean banning forever is good in that case...you should either warn them or temp ban ... you *should* give them the chance to behave better AFTER they've been told that it's wrong on the server |
| 22:10 |
shivajiva |
there are a few people that retained permanent bans on my server, OnceOver, heyheyhey and a few other people but for very good reasons |
| 22:11 |
shivajiva |
if I come hacking on your server will you give me a second chance fussel? |
| 22:11 |
benrob0329 |
I would say it depends on the hack, and the purpose of it |
| 22:11 |
shivajiva |
the second time I might decide to wipe your world |
| 22:12 |
benrob0329 |
If its meant to educate devs and server owners, I would be less inclined to ban someone for that |
| 22:12 |
IhrFussel |
On my server the rules are what's to follow ... if there is something that's not in the rules and a player exploits that oppurtunity then it's my job as admin to update the rules and close that "hole" |
| 22:12 |
Shara |
Also, give how often xban.db used to corrupt, banning forever has never really been a thing before now :) |
| 22:12 |
Shara |
given* |
| 22:12 |
shivajiva |
hackers are never wanted in a game |
| 22:12 |
benrob0329 |
If its just to cheat, the chances are higher that it'll be a ban, even a permaban |
| 22:13 |
shivajiva |
if I fill your spawn with lava do I get a second chance? Do yo have a specific rule for that? |
| 22:14 |
shivajiva |
if I find a way to crash your server will I be welcomed back to do it daily |
| 22:15 |
shivajiva |
18 months I had that behaviour regularly |
| 22:15 |
shivajiva |
talk to shinji about her players and experiences |
| 22:15 |
LazyJ |
To each server, their own. There are more than enough servers for banned players and disenfranchised players to go to find one that is more accommodating to them. Players banned from one server means more players for another server (and higher ranking on the MT Servers list). |
| 22:16 |
shivajiva |
there is a reason xanadu is like fort knox |
| 22:18 |
shivajiva |
we all learn in our own way IhrFussel but it's shades of grey not black and white |
| 22:18 |
paramat |
IhrFussel , angelo has been extremely irritating in that thread, spamming arguments since May, which led to an admin stating 'we have our reasons' out of exhaustion. just from angelo's behaviour in the thread it seems very likely he deserves a ban and i expect he was given a good reason, but pretends he wasn't |
| 22:18 |
rubenwardy |
I'd welcome people to crash my server - as long as it's a CTF bug |
| 22:19 |
shivajiva |
angelo is an idiot, confirmed and one of the players perma banned from my server |
| 22:20 |
rubenwardy |
she private messaged me all of her so-called security team's passwords |
| 22:20 |
IhrFussel |
paramat, I didn't talk about angelo...I was talking about someone else who is angelo's friend and got banned now too for *helping* angelo on another server |
| 22:20 |
rubenwardy |
they were all exactly the same |
| 22:20 |
Calinou |
rubenwardy: heh, trying to connect to the CTF server and it's full |
| 22:20 |
rubenwardy |
and she was asking for a mod to stop their team from being able to change the passwords or have their privs taken |
| 22:20 |
Calinou |
could I have a reserved slot, maybe? :P |
| 22:20 |
rubenwardy |
"Calinou"? |
| 22:20 |
rubenwardy |
sure |
| 22:20 |
Calinou |
(although I didn't join it yet) |
| 22:20 |
Calinou |
yeah |
| 22:21 |
paramat |
IhrFussel i expect the person you are referring to is just as bad and the situation is the same |
| 22:21 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 22:21 |
rubenwardy |
<CTF_Bot> Player Calinou does not exist. |
| 22:21 |
rubenwardy |
I'll kick some people |
| 22:21 |
rubenwardy |
try in 10 seconds |
| 22:21 |
shivajiva |
angelo_1123, geolocates to Ireland and is a pure troll, hijacked mcg's server for a while and causes mayhem where ever possible |
| 22:22 |
Shara |
He appears to be associated with Faker as well. |
| 22:23 |
paramat |
IhrFussel when an admin writes "we never ban for no reason" it's usually after a reason has been given but the player rants endlessly |
| 22:23 |
Calinou |
rubenwardy: gah, too late |
| 22:23 |
Calinou |
didn't try, it's full again :/ |
| 22:24 |
rubenwardy |
ah! |
| 22:24 |
rubenwardy |
you can use setpassword to make an account |
| 22:24 |
paramat |
which admin stated "we never ban for no reason" and where? |
| 22:25 |
IhrFussel |
I can guarantee you that the person who got banned never behaved wrongly on xanadu (an ex-moderator confirmed to me that) |
| 22:25 |
IhrFussel |
Many admins say such things I didn't point to a specific one |
| 22:28 |
Shara |
Fussel, pretty sure if Ten said it there was a reason. |
| 22:29 |
Sokomine |
rubenwardy: well, kicking players just to make room *might* qualify you for "bad admin" :-) |
| 22:29 |
rubenwardy |
probably |
| 22:29 |
Shara |
Na, he didn't kick me, so it's okay :) |
| 22:29 |
red-001 |
well thats it Sokomine said off to #minetest-bad-admin with you |
| 22:29 |
rubenwardy |
I did it then realised that I could just temporarily raise max-users |
| 22:30 |
red-001 |
s/said/said it |
| 22:30 |
IhrFussel |
Okay let's just end this argument: In case there is a real reason for banning him (angelo's friend) then it would've been better to tell him that reason ... and if there was no real reason I stand by my point that it was not fair to the player |
| 22:30 |
Shara |
Hmm.. and suddenly I am kicked :D |
| 22:30 |
Shara |
rubenwardy: bad-admin it is! |
| 22:30 |
rubenwardy |
blame the robot |
| 22:30 |
Shara |
But it's your robot! |
| 22:30 |
paramat |
"Many admins say such things I didn't point to a specific one" in most cases they are right. instead of generalising the whole server and all admins focus your argument on the specific situation |
| 22:30 |
Sokomine |
:-) |
| 22:31 |
Shara |
I don't always make ban reasons public either. |
| 22:31 |
Shara |
It's generally between me and the player |
| 22:31 |
Shara |
Though it depends on circumstance. |
| 22:32 |
Calinou |
https://lobste.rs/moderations /d |
| 22:32 |
Calinou |
:D* |
| 22:32 |
Calinou |
it's an Hacker News-like website |
| 22:32 |
paramat |
generally, the admin are usually right and you will get a distorted account from the players involved |
| 22:32 |
Calinou |
*all* moderation actions are public |
| 22:33 |
paramat |
angelo's friend very probably was given a reason. a friend of angelo seems likely to be an annoying kid too |
| 22:33 |
red-001 |
so who is angelo person? |
| 22:33 |
red-001 |
I think I saw the name somewhere before |
| 22:34 |
rubenwardy |
https://forum.minetest.net/search.php?author_id=20413&sr=posts |
| 22:34 |
paramat |
your post in the thread seems directed at tensplus and the many justified times that "we never ban for no reason" was stated |
| 22:34 |
rubenwardy |
she's the leader of Amarza, Minetest's biggest security group! |
| 22:34 |
rubenwardy |
how do you *not* know her, red-001? |
| 22:35 |
rubenwardy |
|
| 22:35 |
red-001 |
must be poor networking on my part |
| 22:35 |
rubenwardy |
something that's quite funny is that Jan this year she was asking for servers |
| 22:35 |
rubenwardy |
but didn't get any offers |
| 22:35 |
paramat |
wow that thread is amazing, i would have temp-banned most of these players from the forum by now =) |
| 22:36 |
rubenwardy |
so made this "security group" to help people protect against hackers which they know so much about |
| 22:36 |
red-001 |
can you link to her defcon/blackhack talks or is she too important for those? |
| 22:36 |
rubenwardy |
or in other words, give her privs and let her take over |
| 22:36 |
paramat |
ranting kids who can't type full words |
| 22:37 |
red-001 |
these posts are painful to read |
| 22:38 |
rubenwardy |
you should see the ones I've deleted |
| 22:38 |
Shara |
I actually stopped reading the forums because I was so fed up of their posts. |
| 22:39 |
paramat |
hehe yes i never read server threads |
| 22:39 |
rubenwardy |
they're generally cancerous |
| 22:40 |
red-001 |
see you are being bad admin again, trying to get me to read a memetic hazard |
| 22:40 |
rubenwardy |
oh noes |
| 22:41 |
red-001 |
well thanks for being good admin and getting rid of the worst ones |
| 22:41 |
IhrFussel |
My post was *not* directed at tenplus1 or any other specific person...it was directed towards the general management of the server...that involves the staff members but also the atmosphere in general |
| 22:42 |
IhrFussel |
I had at least 100 players on my server telling me about how "bad" xanadu was with banning them for silly reasons such as "name too similar to another" |
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| 22:43 |
paramat |
an angry player's account is likely to be highly distorted |
| 22:43 |
Natechip |
lol what |
| 22:43 |
rubenwardy |
Natechip, adding team speak |
| 22:43 |
rubenwardy |
decided to make Minetest proprietary |
| 22:44 |
Natechip |
rubenwardy cool |
| 22:44 |
red-001 |
rubenwardy, can you move rendering to the server? |
| 22:44 |
red-001 |
I'm tired of all these hackers |
| 22:44 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, that would make cheating impossible! |
| 22:44 |
rubenwardy |
just send raw keyboard and mouse input |
| 22:44 |
Natechip |
unk did my compiling tutorial help? |
| 22:45 |
red-001 |
oh and use jpeg for the video |
| 22:45 |
red-001 |
no interframe conpression ofcourse that would damage the quality |
| 22:49 |
unk |
Natechip, I am getting ready to try it now....been busy today:) |
| 22:49 |
Natechip |
unk: cool :) just remember that specific one is for minetest-dev |
| 22:50 |
unk |
will do |
| 22:52 |
red-001 |
does yaourt not work on that arch clone? |
| 22:56 |
Fixer |
finished more boxes |
| 22:56 |
Fixer |
"As I've already mentioned no-one is banned without good cause" hahahah |
| 22:57 |
Fixer |
ban because of stating developers are working on the problem is good cause ;) |
| 23:00 |
Natechip |
red-001 it does. but some people don't use it. i didn't find anything with yaourt for minetest dev |
| 23:00 |
sfan5 |
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?O=0&K=minetest ???? |
| 23:01 |
red-001 |
7 aur/minetest-git 20170621.1425c6def-1 (42) (0.20) |
| 23:01 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: you are acting waaay too much germanic in that thread, owner is pushy and pretty aggressive guy who can bun you simply if he does not like you, or you looked wrong way, it is useless to argue with him |
| 23:01 |
red-001 |
there is even one for leveldb |
| 23:04 |
Fixer |
oh, voxelands lives again |
| 23:04 |
Fixer |
lots of activity 2 weeks ago |
| 23:05 |
red-001 |
too bad we can't port any of thier work |
| 23:05 |
red-001 |
their* |
| 23:05 |
Fixer |
sfan5: thats the beauty of arch |
| 23:05 |
Fixer |
I hope I spelled it right |
| 23:05 |
Fixer |
you can find anything on AUR |
| 23:06 |
Fixer |
i like manjaro way |
| 23:06 |
Fixer |
simplifying arch but keeping its power |
| 23:07 |
Fixer |
i'm not really sure if adding mods itself to distro repositories like debian is good idea, reason: years old mods |
| 23:09 |
Fixer |
ttf-ms-fonts still popular |
| 23:09 |
sfan5 |
ms fonts are a good idea for compatibility reasons |
| 23:09 |
sfan5 |
lots of website layouts break if your fonts are not identical |
| 23:11 |
IhrFussel |
Fixer, then I wonder how so "many" can support him |
| 23:13 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: it is kind of servers where you can be banned with and without much reason, only option is to find another server and enjoy it, i decided to post a warning for players in topic, even if players acts ok most of the time, there is still random possibilities |
| 23:14 |
IhrFussel |
That sounds horrible to me...so players there are at constant risk of being banned for "acting wrong" in his eyes |
| 23:15 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: i know you already argued about that, but he thinks thats his server and he can do whatever he wants, your option is to find a more """stable""" server |
| 23:16 |
Fixer |
there are plenty of calm servers where you can build and enjoy without much problems and even with nice admins |
| 23:16 |
unk |
Natechip, the directions worked...have 5.0 installed in a virtual michine with ArchMerge...thanks for sharing the link. |
| 23:17 |
Natechip |
unk: np |
| 23:17 |
Natechip |
happy it worked :D |
| 23:17 |
Natechip |
let me know if i need to edit the page |
| 23:18 |
IhrFussel |
Fixer, well technically he is right but he shouldn't wonder why so many leave his server then (and I know a whole lot of players left the server already and found a better one) |
| 23:18 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: he then needs to be honest and post rule 0: you will be kicked/banned with or without reason depending on my mood (have fun!) |
| 23:19 |
Fixer |
... "thats my server - i do what i want" |
| 23:21 |
IhrFussel |
I'm pretty sure many there just play cause they have their projects/friends there...and they just avoid a ban by shutting their mouth about him |
| 23:21 |
Shara |
Discussions about admining approaches are one thing... but can we limit open criticism of specific servers while there isn't even anyone involved in running that server here to respond? |
| 23:21 |
shivajiva |
^ |
| 23:25 |
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| 23:27 |
IhrFussel |
I would talk to him IF he had an IRC and/or a forum account...but he has neither he is only present on his server where he could simply ban any kind of critique |
| 23:28 |
jas_ |
he's an op here |
| 23:28 |
jas_ |
they run a tight ship over there at xanadu |
| 23:28 |
IhrFussel |
Not tenplus1...I'm talking about Shinji_Ikari |
| 23:28 |
jas_ |
i'm quite fond of it, though i've only played briefly -- still more than any other server |
| 23:29 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: enable local map saving ;) |
| 23:29 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: capture your builds and welcome to another server |
| 23:30 |
IhrFussel |
I hope he will join my server again soon and stay a bit...he doesn't need to fear a ban cause I'm able to discuss/argue with any player if necessary |
| 23:30 |
Calinou |
gtg, good night :) |
| 23:30 |
jas_ |
rest well |
| 23:30 |
Shara |
Good night Calinou |
| 23:31 |
shivajiva |
IhrFussel: why do you assume male gender for Shinji? You should pop in and have a chat with them instead of shooting the breeze here about it =) |
| 23:31 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: it is also kinda sad they reset the map year ago or so |
| 23:31 |
shivajiva |
night Cal |
| 23:31 |
Fixer |
shivajiva: no need, find another server, problem solved |
| 23:32 |
shivajiva |
plenty to go at |
| 23:33 |
IhrFussel |
shivajiva, I already said that one of my moderators (MerleManga) was a moderator on xanadu until recently and she told me quite a bit about the "life on xanadu" |
| 23:34 |
Fixer |
red-001: are you here? |
| 23:34 |
Fixer |
i have excellent suggestion for a CSM mod |
| 23:34 |
Fixer |
what if you can import/export schematics via CSM ingame? |
| 23:35 |
Fixer |
for example, I have this nice base on one server but it is show downing or other reasons, so I select the area, CSM does it thing, on new server i set coordinates and it recreates entire build, ofc it will needs blocks supplied |
| 23:36 |
Fixer |
show downing, wth |
| 23:36 |
Fixer |
engrish |
| 23:36 |
Fixer |
shut downing* |
| 23:36 |
Fixer |
shut downs* |
| 23:36 |
shivajiva |
lol |
| 23:36 |
shivajiva |
come on Fixer |
| 23:37 |
red-001 |
I think fixer segfaulted |
| 23:37 |
Fixer |
no |
| 23:37 |
Fixer |
red-001: tell me, is it possible ^^ |
| 23:38 |
rubenwardy |
https://i.rubenwardy.com/oOtt4TEvVO.png |
| 23:38 |
shivajiva |
yay let's steal buildings from servers |
| 23:38 |
red-001 |
well we have node getters |
| 23:38 |
rubenwardy |
gitting god |
| 23:38 |
rubenwardy |
*good |
| 23:38 |
red-001 |
someone said that voxel maniple is insecure dunno about scheme |
| 23:38 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: with Duke Nukem Voice* |
| 23:39 |
shivajiva |
any decent owner would allow players to ask for a schema of their builds |
| 23:39 |
Fixer |
shivajiva: you can steal them anyway, but you need to rebuild it by hand :} |
| 23:39 |
rubenwardy |
local map saving |
| 23:39 |
shivajiva |
Ik ;) |
| 23:40 |
rubenwardy |
ah, can't upload to a server you don't control though |
| 23:40 |
Fixer |
in what sense? not upload but build itself |
| 23:41 |
Fixer |
by loading schem to client and getting real blocks from inventory and placing them on server |
| 23:41 |
Fixer |
magic |
| 23:41 |
shivajiva |
no but it's yours till you come across an owner willing to drop it in |
| 23:41 |
Shara |
I've accepted schems from players before and loaded them into the server. |
| 23:41 |
Fixer |
i like how maikerumine saved a lot of good builds from original just test server and put them on ESM, wonder if ESM is running again |
| 23:41 |
Sokomine |
fixer: export - that would be useful. instead of using local mapsaving, loading the world and applying worldedit, using a csm would be very fine and helpful. import though...that's another matter. i don't think automatic building ought to be allowed as such. a way to upload schematics so that the server owner/moderators can decide might be ok |
| 23:42 |
Shara |
Though I usually expect them to make sure the nodes fit what's on my server first |
| 23:42 |
LazyJ |
Local save is one of the reasons why I only build nice stuff in my singleplayer world anymore. |
| 23:42 |
Fixer |
anymore? |
| 23:43 |
red-001 |
Sokomine, well I could allow getting a base64 encoded version a schematic |
| 23:43 |
Sokomine |
fixer: i would consider such "magic" cheating in general. unless you've built the building by hand once. even then it might require mentionning on a sign or so |
| 23:43 |
red-001 |
that a mod could save to modstorage |
| 23:43 |
Fixer |
red-001: on the other hand this thing is dangerous |
| 23:44 |
Fixer |
red-001: lets say you save smth like swastika and got stacks of cobble and just spam it everywhere with simple command |
| 23:44 |
Fixer |
red-001: thats kinda bad |
| 23:44 |
red-001 |
yeah I say it's better to just save the scheme |
| 23:44 |
Fixer |
yeah |
| 23:44 |
Fixer |
so i can put it in my worldedited flat world |
| 23:44 |
red-001 |
and create a server mod fo accepting base64 encoded scheme |
| 23:46 |
Sokomine |
fixer: in general those of us who value building would like to be sure that the building was built by whoever "owns" the land or is otherwise mentionned. claiming someone elses buildings as your own ones is...not so desirable. so, uploading a schematic ought to be the exception. there can be a way to do that, but actually placing it into the world would require the ok of a moderator |
| 23:46 |
Fixer |
Sokomine: at least saving schematic would be nice |
| 23:46 |
Sokomine |
fixer: definitely |
| 23:46 |
red-001 |
are schemes save? |
| 23:46 |
Sokomine |
ought to be possible by now? |
| 23:46 |
Fixer |
no idea |
| 23:46 |
Sokomine |
save in which way? |
| 23:46 |
red-001 |
safe* |
| 23:47 |
Sokomine |
yes, safe from what? |
| 23:47 |
red-001 |
like can a bad scheme crash a server? |
| 23:47 |
Sokomine |
for uploading? |
| 23:47 |
Sokomine |
hmm. depends on how well the mechanism for reading them is |
