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jas_ |
+Krock>jas_, could it be that you used it on your server? <-- i've never tried toolranks mod, but i'm definitely interested in doing so. i'll first see how it interacts with xdecor/enchanting, as that adds 7 additional tools for each material, with different properties and values. i haven't done anything with player stats, yet, but toolranks is aligned with my goal there. |
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jas_ |
also lisac every time i see your name i think of a time during lumaria server i got mad at a player for killing me and taking my stuff, and eradicated all their stuff -- if that was you i am sorry. *smile* Dragonop was mad at me for that, i think, and i never forgot it. |
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09:21 |
shivajiva |
online player caching added to sauth mod |
09:46 |
Calinou |
morning :) |
09:47 |
Calinou |
I'm considering switching to Firefox Nightly (from Chromium dev builds) |
09:47 |
Calinou |
it seems to be quite fast now, however, scrolling is much smoother once you've scrolled using the touchscreen at least once, for some reason |
09:47 |
Calinou |
it's still ok if you don't do that, but it's better if you do use it |
09:47 |
Calinou |
(then you can scroll using any other method on the page) |
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tenplus1 |
hi folks |
09:52 |
Calinou |
hi tenplus1, I'm switching to Firefox Nightly as main browser :P |
09:52 |
Calinou |
I imported stuff from Chromium, should make the transition easier |
09:52 |
Calinou |
(heh, I've never used the automatic import before) |
09:52 |
tenplus1 |
hi Cal... nice, gto update for bunts int he last new days |
09:53 |
tenplus1 |
am on ff 56 and chromium 61 |
09:53 |
Calinou |
Nightly is 58 right now, I also have Chromium dev build which is 63 right now |
09:54 |
tenplus1 |
ff 56 already uses a lot less memory when browsing, was impressed :) what new stuff they added since then ? |
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tenplus1 |
wb amaz |
09:57 |
Amaz |
Thanks :) |
10:01 |
shivajiva |
Hi tenplus, Amaz o/ |
10:02 |
tenplus1 |
hi shiva :P |
10:02 |
Raven262 |
Hi tenplus1, shivajiva, Amaz, Calinou. |
10:02 |
shivajiva |
Calinou, Raven o/ |
10:02 |
tenplus1 |
hi raven |
10:06 |
Amaz |
Hi shiva, hi raven! |
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tenplus1 |
hi fixer |
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11:05 |
Fixer |
hello |
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tenplus1 |
hi Megaf |
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11:36 |
tenplus1 |
hi thomas |
11:36 |
ThomasMonroe |
hi tenplus1 |
11:37 |
tenplus1 |
o/ |
11:37 |
ThomasMonroe |
\o |
11:37 |
tenplus1 |
o------------@ <-- holding apple |
11:37 |
tenplus1 |
long arm :D |
11:38 |
ThomasMonroe |
<O/ <-- Dab |
11:39 |
tenplus1 |
w00t! |
11:42 |
Fuchs |
<''3 <-- chicken |
11:43 |
tenplus1 |
hi Fuchs |
11:43 |
Fuchs |
hi :) |
11:45 |
tenplus1 |
=^..^= cat |
11:45 |
shivajiva |
Hi Fuchs o/ |
11:46 |
Fuchs |
yes, hello :) |
11:46 |
shivajiva |
tenplus, copied your example and I get a button but no form when pressed, just normal inventory, is there something that needs to be included in the formspec? |
11:47 |
tenplus1 |
remember the on_player_receive_fields bit |
11:48 |
tenplus1 |
when you click the registered button it sends it to received fields, if fields.home_gui for example is pressed then you inventory_plus.set_inventory_formspec(player, home_gui.get_formspec(player)) |
11:49 |
Megaf |
hey all |
11:49 |
ThomasMonroe |
hey |
11:50 |
shivajiva |
thanks ten :) |
11:51 |
tenplus1 |
that way you always have a live formspec that's updated easily :P |
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tenplus1 |
hi caleb |
11:53 |
CalebDavis |
hi ten |
11:55 |
tenplus1 |
back laters, grocery shopping a-hoy! |
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IhrFussel |
Hi guys |
12:06 |
Raven262 |
Hi IhrFussel |
12:06 |
Raven262 |
Hi Megaf |
12:08 |
IhrFussel |
Shara, you once suggested that I should display the quest info in an inventory page and I figured out how to do that now ... the HUD for it has been removed |
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12:18 |
Calinou |
celeron55: wiki.minetest.net has a valid TLS certificate (Let's Encrypt), but dev.minetest.net has a self-signed one |
12:18 |
Calinou |
(it works if you add an exception, else, you get an error) |
12:18 |
Calinou |
can a LE certificate be added to dev.minetest.net? |
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12:19 |
nerzhul |
rubenwardy, thanks for the label :) |
12:20 |
lisac |
<jas_> also lisac every time i see your name i think of a time during lumaria server i got mad at a player for killing me and taking my stuff, and eradicated all their stuff -- if that was you i am sorry. *smile* Dragonop was mad at me for that, i think, and i never forgot it. |
12:21 |
lisac |
I don't recall :) |
12:21 |
lisac |
but then, I was in MT for about 3 years |
12:27 |
celeron55 |
Calinou: it's been the next item on my to-do list since i did wiki.minetest.net |
12:30 |
Fixer |
for years ofc |
12:31 |
jas_ |
i wonder if dev wiki can be merged into regular wiki |
12:35 |
Calinou |
celeron55: ok, thanks |
12:35 |
Calinou |
you should use the same certificate for all subdomains, adding several subdomains to it at once :) |
12:35 |
Calinou |
(easier to maintain) |
12:35 |
Calinou |
LE will add wildcard certificates in January 2018, too |
12:36 |
celeron55 |
well that's more maintenance than just adding a new certificate to every subdomain |
12:36 |
celeron55 |
changing all the previous ones that is |
12:37 |
Calinou |
yeah, I switched from per-subdomain-certificate to one-certificate-for-all-subdomains recently |
12:37 |
Calinou |
it's much cleaner, and makes renewals minutely faster :P |
12:37 |
Calinou |
(and it's harder to hit rate limits) |
12:37 |
celeron55 |
doing that is maintenance |
12:37 |
celeron55 |
and i hate maintenance |
12:38 |
Calinou |
I also enabled HSTS and forward secrecy :P |
12:38 |
Calinou |
so I get A+ on SSL Labs now |
12:38 |
Calinou |
(this isn't compatible with IE8 + Windows XP, though) |
12:41 |
celeron55 |
i'll do that once i begin to host the planning of an attack against the US government on minetest.net |
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12:46 |
Dumbeldor |
stop flood nerzhul :D |
12:46 |
nerzhul |
? |
12:46 |
Dumbeldor |
deco reco x) |
12:52 |
IhrFussel |
Can someone explain to me how this code can take up to 300ms to execute? https://pastebin.com/CXBPpVM0 |
12:53 |
Jordach |
Calinou, internet upgrade to 300/30 incoming later |
12:53 |
* Jordach |
waits for gigabit next year |
12:53 |
Jordach |
>tfw 99% faster than the rest of GB |
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12:56 |
Calinou |
Jordach: nice, I still have 11/1 here |
12:56 |
Calinou |
this is what we have in France for FTTH right now: |
12:56 |
Calinou |
https://media.hugo.pro/firefox_2017-10-11_14-56-34.png |
12:56 |
Calinou |
100/100, 200/100 or 500/200 depending on the price you pay |
12:56 |
Calinou |
(check the small price below the big orange one, for the real price :P) |
12:57 |
Calinou |
also, wow, they increased the price a lot :O |
12:57 |
Jordach |
Virgin Media offered us free weekend calls, TiVO and 300/30 for £53 |
12:57 |
Calinou |
Orange Jet used to be €43/month, now it's €53/month |
12:57 |
Calinou |
(+€3/month for renting the router for both) |
12:58 |
Calinou |
>TiVO |
12:58 |
Calinou |
how's the GPLv3? :D |
12:59 |
Jordach |
Calinou, hue |
13:01 |
Jordach |
i've got no interest in TV anymore |
13:02 |
Jordach |
if i really wanted to, i'd browse TVtropes instead |
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lisac |
I wonder if I could make my indicator LED make lightshows |
13:24 |
lisac |
on my phone |
13:24 |
lisac |
that would be fun |
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red-001 |
nerzhul, the protocol rewrite seems to work a lot better now |
15:21 |
nerzhul |
red-001, oh you tested it ? :) |
15:21 |
nerzhul |
you mean works better than first stage or better than legacy MT protocol v1 ? :p |
15:21 |
nerzhul |
there are two concurrency crash on shared_ptr, difficult to track but yes it works nice |
15:22 |
red-001 |
better then the first stage, seems to work about as well as MT proto v1 right now |
15:22 |
Fixer |
Calinou: now, review MTG |
15:22 |
red-001 |
kinda hard to tell tbh |
15:22 |
red-001 |
It would be useful to stress test both protocols and see which one handles it better |
15:24 |
red-001 |
nerzhul, how resource intensive would it be to keep enough of the old protocol to tell people using old clients that thier minetest version is outdated? |
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15:28 |
Fixer |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq3jvp1xgOU this applies not only to Thinkpads |
15:33 |
nerzhul |
red-001, not really possible without re-add the whole old stack just to send access de nid packet |
15:33 |
nerzhul |
denied* |
15:39 |
Krock |
(╯° °)╯︵ â”»â”â”» |
15:45 |
Fixer |
┬──┬◡ノ(° -°ノ) |
15:46 |
Megaf |
oh now, Jordach has fallen! |
15:46 |
Megaf |
Somebody help him! |
15:46 |
Megaf |
s/now/no |
15:49 |
Krock |
Fixer, don't put the table back! It's flipped for a reason |
15:49 |
Megaf |
Spiders? |
15:53 |
Krock |
huh? no |
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16:05 |
Megaf |
Cya all |
16:05 |
Krock |
cya |
16:26 |
sofar |
IhrFussel: doing io.open/write/close every 5 ticks for 10 players seems overkill |
16:27 |
IhrFussel |
sofar, it's every 5 secs but maybe still a bit much |
16:27 |
sofar |
not sure why you can't keep that info in memory either |
16:27 |
IhrFussel |
But 10 times io.open() in a row shouldn't take 300 ms |
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16:28 |
IhrFussel |
sofar, cause I need the value for the website...it displays the ingame online list and I want website users to see who's idle |
16:35 |
Krock |
you could write it to a ramdisk using symlinks if it has to be in a file |
16:37 |
Krock |
it's most likely the write speed - not the io.open/io.close stuff |
16:39 |
Krock |
dunno how much data it is, so I'm guessing ^ |
16:43 |
IhrFussel |
Krock, it's a simple timestamp it stores per player |
16:44 |
IhrFussel |
10 chars per file that's why I find it to be extremely slow |
16:49 |
Jordach |
Calinou, http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6698220911.png |
16:51 |
Jordach |
http://www.speedtest.net/result/6698369411.png |
16:54 |
Krock |
Jordach, here's mine.. slightly different http://krock-works.16mb.com/u/speedof.me_history_17-10-11.pdf |
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18:23 |
Calinou |
speedof.me isn't great, I heard |
18:24 |
Calinou |
(not reliable for fast connections) |
18:24 |
Calinou |
heh, speedof.me reports 1.35 Mb/s download here |
18:24 |
Calinou |
Krock: http://beta.speedtest.net/ doesn't require Flash |
18:25 |
Jordach |
http://speedof.me/show.php?img=171011182542-2618.png |
18:26 |
Calinou |
http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6698643047.png |
18:26 |
Calinou |
I'm still slightly above French average :P |
18:26 |
Calinou |
Jordach: hmm, that's strange |
18:26 |
Jordach |
Calinou, >tfw 76ms ping to us east |
18:26 |
Calinou |
I never get 36 ms ping in games, though |
18:27 |
Calinou |
the best I see in games is around 48-50 |
18:27 |
Calinou |
it's ok, but not great by today's standards |
18:27 |
Calinou |
also, some games don't have any popular servers close to me |
18:27 |
Calinou |
(like Quake 2, I have 85 ms at best) |
18:29 |
Dumbeldor |
http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6698651431.png |
18:29 |
Dumbeldor |
:) |
18:29 |
Calinou |
heh, in June 2017 I've done 64/31 on 4G+ with Free |
18:29 |
Calinou |
at my former university |
18:30 |
Calinou |
17/38 at my university Wi-Fi, too |
18:30 |
Calinou |
(higher upload than download, as usual) |
18:32 |
Calinou |
https://pic.nperf.com/r/183773872-OjZ9c4aV.png |
18:32 |
Calinou |
(test from https://www.nperf.com/) |
18:32 |
Calinou |
>uses Firefox Nightly with new fancy logo |
18:32 |
Calinou |
>result image displays Firefox 3.x logo |
18:51 |
nerzhul |
Calinou, http://beta.speedtest.net/fr/result/6698711727 |
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lisac |
Calinou, what is the oldest book you ever saw? |
18:57 |
lisac |
as in, the oldest printed book |
18:58 |
Dumbeldor |
Nice nerzhul :D |
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Calinou |
lisac: I don't know… my parents have many books from the 70s or so |
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sofar |
lol |
19:43 |
sofar |
never been to a museum? |
19:43 |
sofar |
I think I've seen handcopied books from 7-8 centuries ago, and much older scrolls |
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19:46 |
Calinou |
no, I haven't been into traditional museums much |
19:46 |
Calinou |
I've been to a D-Day museum last summer, though |
19:46 |
Calinou |
I've seen real MP40s and Thompsons! |
19:50 |
Calinou |
and the Sten! (http://users.kymp.net/feuer/etcomic/062.jpg) |
20:08 |
Megaf |
oldest book I saw is from 800 |
20:08 |
Megaf |
1217 years old |
20:09 |
Megaf |
This is it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Kells |
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21:48 |
rubenwardy |
!title https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/8eb7ddb0 |
21:48 |
ShadowBot |
rubenwardy: Remove new_style_water · minetest/minetest8eb7ddb · GitHub |
21:48 |
rubenwardy |
:'( |
21:52 |
Calinou |
it didn't work with smooth lighting, also, shaders can be used to replicate this |
21:52 |
Calinou |
(like waving water, but not waving and just offset downwards) |
21:53 |
rubenwardy |
just found waving water |
21:53 |
rubenwardy |
forgot about that |
21:59 |
Calinou |
:'( I double-posted a comment on Reddit, and one of them got a downvote |
21:59 |
Calinou |
never gonna vote you up, never gonna vote you down… |
22:13 |
* Shara |
still dreams of nice water shaders... |
22:20 |
Natechip |
my server MM-Survival is shutting down today. just if anyone is wondering |
22:44 |
Megaf |
you mean, like, forever? |
22:44 |
red-001 |
Natechip, as in shutting down permanently? |
22:45 |
Megaf |
red-001, did you just read the message now or just took your time to come up with something to write? |
22:45 |
red-001 |
just read it |
22:45 |
Megaf |
ok |
22:45 |
Natechip |
Megaf, red-001 forever |
22:49 |
Megaf |
Natechip, how old is it? |
22:50 |
Natechip |
Megaf: I say just over a year, maybe a year in a half |
22:50 |
Shara |
How come you're shutting it? |
22:51 |
Natechip |
Shara: I reset it before bc the map got corrupted. this time all auth files got corrupted and player files, it wiped all the passwords, causing ppl getting stolen from and accounts taken. |
22:52 |
Natechip |
not much I can do to come back from it |
22:52 |
Natechip |
ppl were not happy last time I reset |
22:52 |
Megaf |
backup? |
22:52 |
Megaf |
thats just your typical Minetest reliability |
22:52 |
Natechip |
Megaf: no backup, since it just got moved to a new host |
22:52 |
Megaf |
good admins expect Minetest to breake |
22:53 |
Natechip |
the thing is |
22:53 |
Megaf |
I recovered my server from backups several times |
22:53 |
Natechip |
I did have backups |
22:53 |
Natechip |
but |
22:53 |
Natechip |
the server got so filled up with files that the server wouldnt boot any servers. there were 3 on the same one |
22:53 |
Megaf |
and I do full backups, I backup the whole home folder where the server is and monthly a whole OS snapshot. |
22:54 |
Natechip |
so we switched to a new server |
22:54 |
Natechip |
and it got corrupted a few days later |
22:54 |
Megaf |
sad |
22:54 |
Natechip |
also the server isnt as playable and doesnt have many players anymore |
22:55 |
Megaf |
meh, my server has no players at all currently |
22:55 |
Megaf |
its nof even online xP |
22:55 |
Natechip |
lol |
22:56 |
Megaf |
I got so disapointed and frustrated with Minetest that I dont havve much will to keep investing my time and money on it |
22:56 |
Megaf |
Minetest realy sucks |
22:57 |
Shara |
Natechip: I lost my auth file to corruption just a few days back. It was annoying, but already recoered |
22:57 |
Megaf |
and so does other Free Software I love |
22:57 |
Shara |
recovered* |
22:57 |
Natechip |
Shara: too late for me now |
22:57 |
Natechip |
I got 1 minute left X |
22:57 |
Natechip |
XD |
22:57 |
Shara |
Ewww... that sucks. |
22:58 |
* Natechip |
shrugs |
22:59 |
Natechip |
I rlly am not enjoying the server anymore nor happy with it |
22:59 |
Natechip |
im making a new one anyways, something different |
23:00 |
Megaf |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99o7YO7y6dE |
23:00 |
Megaf |
cute |
23:01 |
Natechip |
MM-Survival has quit (Quit: Game shutting down.) |
23:01 |
Natechip |
do dooo dooooo |
23:03 |
jas_ |
just start a brand new stock mt-0.4.17 server with no mods and give it a new name. |
23:03 |
jas_ |
WW-Surwiwal |
23:03 |
jas_ |
no too obvious |
23:04 |
jas_ |
also backup every 24hours, so that's the most anyone will ever lose. yeah, it sucks, but it doesn't _always_ happen. |
23:06 |
jas_ |
coulda just backported to 0.4.16 and pulled a debian with minetest-0.4.16-1, minetest-0.4.16-2, etc. too late now i think haha |
23:06 |
Natechip |
jas_ no mods? are u crazy? XD |
23:06 |
jas_ |
what no |
23:06 |
jas_ |
i'm not joking around, here |
23:06 |
Natechip |
ooh |
23:06 |
jas_ |
start bare |
23:06 |
Natechip |
i was ganna say |
23:06 |
jas_ |
add as needed |
23:06 |
jas_ |
obv protection is a 1st choice |
23:06 |
jas_ |
just, go slow |
23:07 |
jas_ |
(mapgen and some other stuff needs to be there in the beginning, but that's different.) |
23:07 |
* jas_ |
loves a good stock minetest |
23:09 |
Megaf |
!up mt.megaf.info 30008 |
23:09 |
ShadowBot |
Megaf: mt.megaf.info port 30008 is up (8933us) |
23:09 |
Megaf |
thats a server for you jas_ |
23:09 |
red-001 |
you might be one of the first jas_ |
23:09 |
jas_ |
i like to go for a bit without protection, especially because with no mods, there's not much to protect |
23:09 |
jas_ |
that's how i generally started servers in the past, like amhi started as a stock minetest. |
23:09 |
Megaf |
(8933us)? What kind of number is that? |
23:10 |
jas_ |
yes, that's me |
23:10 |
jas_ |
haha |
23:10 |
Megaf |
jas_, really mt.megaf.info 30008 = stock minetest = mobs and farming replace with tenplus1 farming |
23:10 |
Megaf |
but its just a test server, and its unlisted |
23:10 |
jas_ |
yeah but how many servers do you have up, megaf? |
23:10 |
jas_ |
so there you go |
23:11 |
jas_ |
i'm going to run a stock minetest server if you don't |
23:11 |
jas_ |
you can help me if you want |
23:11 |
jas_ |
(yes, i am bullshitting all night.) |
23:11 |
Megaf |
I have a new one coming |
23:11 |
red-001 |
failed µs? |
23:11 |
jas_ |
oh baby |
23:11 |
Megaf |
jas_, my new server will be stock Minetest but with some mods |
23:11 |
Megaf |
almost none |
23:11 |
red-001 |
but that would be too short to make sense for ping time |
23:12 |
Megaf |
jas_, for me mesecons, areas, pipeworks and currency are a must |
23:12 |
jas_ |
Megaf: stock minetest doesn't |
23:12 |
jas_ |
no |
23:12 |
jas_ |
i'm speechless |
23:12 |
jas_ |
STOCK |
23:12 |
Megaf |
ok man, I can do a stock + areas server |
23:12 |
jas_ |
as in, minetest+minetest_game as they are on github |
23:12 |
jas_ |
nooooo |
23:12 |
Megaf |
jas_, I used to run a Minetest Minimal server |
23:12 |
jas_ |
not areasssss |
23:12 |
Megaf |
with no areas |
23:13 |
jas_ |
nothing, absolutely no mods whatsoever |
23:13 |
jas_ |
default config |
23:13 |
jas_ |
don't even change a setting! |
23:13 |
jas_ |
just announce |
23:13 |
jas_ |
and wait |
23:14 |
Megaf |
thats how I create my server... and add mods on the go... |
23:14 |
jas_ |
^5 |
23:14 |
Megaf |
not a popular thing... |
23:14 |
Megaf |
since they are always empty |
23:14 |
jas_ |
but don't add areas on a survival server, just protector redo |
23:14 |
jas_ |
because it's an in-game item you craft and place |
23:14 |
Megaf |
protector really sucks |
23:14 |
red-001 |
^ |
23:14 |
jas_ |
if areas had nodes you crafted and had to place |
23:14 |
jas_ |
yes, protector is the worst |
23:14 |
Megaf |
had several crashes caused by protector |
23:14 |
jas_ |
but it's also the only one |
23:15 |
jas_ |
i glued protector to areas separately, recently, it was easy |
23:15 |
jas_ |
place two nodes, A and B and use formspec to "set area" |
23:15 |
Megaf |
the bad thing about protector is the nodes, people live nodes everywhere |
23:15 |
Megaf |
its a mess |
23:15 |
jas_ |
but the protection itself should be in-game somehow |
23:15 |
Megaf |
I hate mess |
23:15 |
jas_ |
yes, i know. i got no answers there |
23:15 |
jas_ |
it's a problem |
23:15 |
Megaf |
I protect the areas myself |
23:15 |
jas_ |
or a challenge, needs solving |
23:15 |
Megaf |
on request |
23:15 |
Megaf |
all thoudands of them |
23:16 |
jas_ |
areas is commands, not survivalesque, you don't earn the protection |
23:16 |
jas_ |
you just issue it with a priv, or setting |
23:16 |
jas_ |
and that's another level up from in-game stuff |
23:16 |
Megaf |
thats why I do on request |
23:16 |
jas_ |
i am imagining a terminal, a player types into, like the computer node, and protect with this |
23:16 |
jas_ |
true, but think of the player |
23:16 |
Megaf |
it has to be worth getting the protection |
23:16 |
jas_ |
don't think of the admin |
23:16 |
Megaf |
I will not protect a coble box |
23:17 |
jas_ |
why would you? |
23:17 |
jas_ |
that's the player's job |
23:17 |
jas_ |
and as they grow, so do your servers |
23:17 |
jas_ |
welp, i'm done waxing, gonna play now |
23:30 |
Natechip |
jas_ minetest? |
23:53 |
shivajiva |
rubenwardy: update sauth to latest pls |
23:54 |
shivajiva |
found and fixed a crash in create_auth |