| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:21 |
jas_ |
Natechip: *yawn* but of course! hehe |
| 00:21 |
rubenwardy |
shivajiva, one |
| 00:21 |
* jas_ |
breaks |
| 00:21 |
rubenwardy |
*doen |
| 00:21 |
rubenwardy |
**done |
| 00:33 |
jas_ |
https://imgur.com/a/MHHsr |
| 00:34 |
Natechip |
shivajiva: did that cause the grant on join? |
| 00:34 |
Natechip |
jas_\ |
| 00:34 |
Natechip |
jas_* |
| 00:34 |
jas_ |
o/ |
| 00:35 |
Natechip |
jas_ PM |
| 00:35 |
jas_ |
what |
| 00:35 |
jas_ |
do you |
| 00:35 |
jas_ |
want |
| 00:35 |
Natechip |
XD |
| 00:35 |
jas_ |
lol |
| 00:35 |
jas_ |
play on dcbl with me |
| 00:36 |
Natechip |
whats that |
| 00:36 |
jas_ |
otherwise i'm going to tend to my TODO, like add more stuff to it. i don't play on a lot of other servers natechip but |
| 00:36 |
jas_ |
if you got one you're into right now i'll play there for a bit |
| 00:36 |
jas_ |
which one? |
| 00:36 |
jas_ |
dcbl.duckdns.org is mine, but it requires 0.5.0-dev |
| 00:36 |
Natechip |
Legends of Survival |
| 00:36 |
jas_ |
ok |
| 00:36 |
jas_ |
give me 1 sec |
| 00:37 |
Natechip |
minetestservers.ddns.net:48637 |
| 00:37 |
jas_ |
i don't even have my keys set for 0.4.16, i hardly play it |
| 00:37 |
jas_ |
i'm adding this to my TODO: make mese_crystals non-physical and damage_per_second |
| 00:38 |
Natechip |
llol |
| 00:38 |
jas_ |
and allow crystalline bell to take last plant stage (currently it doesn't dig all the way) |
| 00:39 |
Natechip |
r u joining Legends Of S |
| 00:39 |
jas_ |
there's a lot to do, but i really need to look at armor/tools |
| 00:39 |
jas_ |
ok i'm ready |
| 00:39 |
jas_ |
*sips coffee* |
| 00:40 |
Natechip |
minetestservers.ddns.net:48637 |
| 00:40 |
jas_ |
i'm downloading the medias |
| 00:40 |
jas_ |
all the medias |
| 00:40 |
jas_ |
wow i forgot what 60fps felt like |
| 00:41 |
jas_ |
haha collision entity highlight box is +1 Y |
| 00:44 |
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| 00:51 |
jas_ |
nice server |
| 00:51 |
Natechip |
jas_ ill join urs. one sec im sorting something |
| 00:52 |
jas_ |
ok |
| 00:52 |
jas_ |
i have a lot of items |
| 00:52 |
jas_ |
i gave away a lot, and i lost a lot. some are in bones and random scattered and hidden chests. |
| 00:53 |
jas_ |
i only had the server open for like a week, before the cutoff, and i'm still finding bones and stuff left behind |
| 01:03 |
jas_ |
anyway, if you join i'll show you some basic jumps if you want. you gotta do [use][sneak][jump] to get certain places, and quickly. there's no fast/fly/noclip mode, and you need binoculars to zoom and mapping kit for map, and i kept subterranean eye. dunno what they'll do for minetest_game but it looks to me it won't have radar in survival mode :O |
| 01:04 |
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| 01:05 |
Shara |
Okay, almost scared to say it, but I think DarkLands is fixed now. |
| 01:24 |
Natechip |
Shara: Darklands is urs? |
| 01:24 |
jas_ |
Natechip: you forgot about me :'( |
| 01:24 |
Natechip |
jas_? |
| 01:24 |
jas_ |
lol |
| 01:24 |
Natechip |
wait |
| 01:24 |
Natechip |
im joining now |
| 01:24 |
jas_ |
how COULD you? oh ok |
| 01:24 |
rubenwardy |
https://i.rubenwardy.com/8NlkdRtLwo.png |
| 01:25 |
rubenwardy |
Calinou ^ |
| 01:25 |
rubenwardy |
good for stopping noobs taking weapons |
| 01:25 |
Natechip |
lol |
| 01:26 |
Shara |
Natechip: Red Cat and Dark Lands are both mine. |
| 01:26 |
Natechip |
Shara: cool |
| 01:26 |
Natechip |
jas_: what IP and port? |
| 01:26 |
jas_ |
it's in the server list, it's "dcbl" |
| 01:26 |
jas_ |
and it's dcbl.duckdns.org:30000 |
| 01:27 |
jas_ |
and 0.5.0 has search bar, so just type it or |
| 01:27 |
Shara |
DL has been smacked hard with issues lately, but no weird lag spikes now, not getting anymore crashes and max_lag staying well under 1 again |
| 01:27 |
jas_ |
i think 0.5.0 also puts only 0.5.0 at the top |
| 01:27 |
jas_ |
so hehe i'm at the top somewhere i think |
| 01:27 |
jas_ |
(somewhere in my mind hehe) |
| 01:27 |
Natechip |
jas_ cool |
| 01:28 |
Natechip |
OHH |
| 01:28 |
Natechip |
i remember u now :) |
| 01:28 |
Natechip |
whos lag? |
| 01:28 |
shivajiva |
I tried sauth on skyblocks and it sat at 0.1 most of the time and I've never seen it do that |
| 01:28 |
jas_ |
in other news i recently obtained a quintuply compressed cobblestone. i need to make the digging times longer for them |
| 01:28 |
jas_ |
ye i used to use the name everamzah |
| 01:28 |
Natechip |
shivajiva is not lying! I was a witness :P I even spammed down some cars and it stayed at 0.1 |
| 01:29 |
* jas_ |
heads back outside for a respitory treatment |
| 01:30 |
Natechip |
shivajiva: to add sauth do you just replace auth.txt with it? |
| 01:31 |
shivajiva |
sauth reduces whatever auth file size you had to just the amount of payers in game at any one time, it's like having a fresh auth but keeping the records |
| 01:31 |
shivajiva |
*players |
| 01:31 |
shivajiva |
payers huh, I wish :) |
| 01:31 |
Shara |
Don't we all :P |
| 01:32 |
shivajiva |
just add the mod, it will take care of your auth,txt |
| 01:32 |
Natechip |
okay |
| 01:32 |
Natechip |
better not grant shivajiva all ;P |
| 01:33 |
shivajiva |
if it's big, you get a dump file, if it's <360 records it imports it immediately |
| 01:33 |
rubenwardy |
ircSparky: I'm starting to do lots of updates to ctf and ctf_pvp_engine, I'll also look at things you've done in your fork and try and back port them if that's ok with you |
| 01:33 |
shivajiva |
nate that was gamehub |
| 01:33 |
paramat |
thanks for translating 'urs' for me =) |
| 01:33 |
Natechip |
shivajiva: oooohh. makes sense. |
| 01:33 |
Natechip |
also did you get to fixing the player_clean with jails bug |
| 01:34 |
Natechip |
shivajiva ^ |
| 01:34 |
shivajiva |
nope, pls make an issue |
| 01:34 |
Natechip |
okay |
| 01:36 |
jas_ |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OebqNsNRBtU |
| 01:37 |
Natechip |
shivajiva: https://github.com/shivajiva101/player_clean/issues/1 |
| 01:38 |
Natechip |
jas_ thats better then Its Everyday Bro :P |
| 01:38 |
jas_ |
it took me an hour to get where i was going \ and to top it all off, it was snowin' |
| 01:38 |
shivajiva |
thanks, I'll get round to it soon |
| 01:38 |
jas_ |
i'm alone again, naturally |
| 01:39 |
Natechip |
shivajiva: cool, thanks :) let me know when u fix it |
| 01:39 |
shivajiva |
you will get emails now you posted an issue |
| 01:39 |
Natechip |
HURRAY |
| 01:40 |
Natechip |
welp |
| 01:40 |
Natechip |
time to mess with my website |
| 01:40 |
Natechip |
i need to add stuff to my mods page there... |
| 01:41 |
jas_ |
aw |
| 01:41 |
* jas_ |
rewinds |
| 01:43 |
Natechip |
? |
| 01:43 |
jas_ |
it's a good song, and i like biz markie |
| 01:44 |
jas_ |
so i rewinded it to the start, and played it again |
| 01:48 |
jas_ |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzzQisxu3Ho -- anyway natechip if you decide to check it out, let me know what you think |
| 01:49 |
Natechip |
jas_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxGCs_jxKfc&index=42& |
| 01:49 |
jas_ |
hold on let this one finish i love it. there's a fume, in this truck |
| 01:49 |
jas_ |
especially the second half. but please, let's keep it on-topic HAHA |
| 01:50 |
Natechip |
lol |
| 01:51 |
jas_ |
you haven't tried 0.5.0-dev yet, natechip? |
| 01:52 |
Natechip |
no |
| 01:53 |
jas_ |
not my taste, that one. try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUC2EQvdzmY |
| 01:53 |
Natechip |
where to find |
| 01:53 |
jas_ |
now, you should try to get current minetest and help me test dcbl |
| 01:53 |
jas_ |
or not :D |
| 01:53 |
jas_ |
i think there's windows builds. are you on linux? |
| 01:53 |
jas_ |
i _think_ there's windows builds, but maybe not |
| 01:54 |
Natechip |
HEY someone made a batch file! |
| 01:54 |
jas_ |
close enough? a lot easier if you're on linux |
| 01:54 |
jas_ |
i don't even think minetest2 works on windows/mac |
| 01:54 |
Natechip |
im on windows, switched from linux. I need windows for a lot of my programs I have |
| 01:54 |
jas_ |
whoops |
| 01:54 |
Natechip |
im on windows, switched from linux. I need windows for a lot of my programs I have |
| 01:54 |
Natechip |
is this the dev? https://github.com/minetest/minetest |
| 01:54 |
jas_ |
i've bought windows for certain things before, i been there |
| 01:54 |
jas_ |
yes Natechip that is dev |
| 01:54 |
Natechip |
kk |
| 01:55 |
Natechip |
jas_ give me like 10-20 mins |
| 01:55 |
Natechip |
i gtg do a few things and download dependencies |
| 01:56 |
jas_ |
before you said "one sec" and it's been this long; i can only imagine what 10-20 mins is |
| 01:56 |
jas_ |
alright man if you need help, i can't because i'm on linux |
| 01:57 |
Natechip |
LOL |
| 01:57 |
Natechip |
i got stuck on the sqlite part |
| 01:57 |
Natechip |
but im fine i think |
| 01:57 |
jas_ |
ye you don't need that |
| 01:57 |
jas_ |
too bad it's tricky to dual-boot |
| 01:58 |
jas_ |
i gave up trying after a year or two and just did either/or. too bad linux can't run windows. |
| 01:58 |
jas_ |
or, too bad ms doesn't port it |
| 01:58 |
jas_ |
i worry because, i think minetest right now is hard to compile on windows/mac (never tried) and i heard minetest can't be compiled on android right now. |
| 02:03 |
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| 02:04 |
Natechip |
ThomasMonroe: i shut down MM forever |
| 02:04 |
Natechip |
also |
| 02:04 |
Natechip |
ppl on ur server are using mine bots to get diamonds and gold |
| 02:04 |
Natechip |
lol |
| 02:04 |
ThomasMonroe |
what kind of bots? |
| 02:04 |
Natechip |
jas_ use virtual box? |
| 02:05 |
Natechip |
ThomasMonroe: a CSM i think? |
| 02:05 |
ThomasMonroe |
or they are just using basic robots wisely XD |
| 02:06 |
Natechip |
nope |
| 02:06 |
Natechip |
its that XxGhost_jasonXx person |
| 02:06 |
Natechip |
Block has most of the stuff |
| 02:07 |
jas_ |
it's not the same |
| 02:07 |
Natechip |
jas_ so just dont bother with the sqlite stuff or compiler? |
| 02:07 |
Natechip |
jas_ so just dont bother with the sqlite stuff or compiler? |
| 02:07 |
jas_ |
if i run a vm the performance isn't up to snuff |
| 02:07 |
jas_ |
i don't know, i just type make |
| 02:07 |
jas_ |
and poof, a binary appears |
| 02:07 |
jas_ |
dunno how it is on windows, i've never compiled anything there. i did qbasic is dos once |
| 02:08 |
Natechip |
isnt sqlite used to generate the world? |
| 02:08 |
jas_ |
but if you're just connecting you can use dummy |
| 02:08 |
jas_ |
it's for saving map as sqlite database |
| 02:08 |
jas_ |
it could be dummy, sqlite, postgresql(?), redis, leveldb... |
| 02:09 |
Natechip |
so i rlly dont need it if im just joining a server |
| 02:09 |
jas_ |
i think that's right |
| 02:10 |
Natechip |
mmmmeeeh ok |
| 02:11 |
jas_ |
dummy should be built right in, so it'll be ok with that |
| 02:11 |
jas_ |
never tried is all |
| 02:11 |
ThomasMonroe |
Nate what exactly were they doing? |
| 02:14 |
Natechip |
ThomasMonroe: using a script to automatically find diamonds then go to them and mine them |
| 02:15 |
Natechip |
ask XxGhost_jasonXx she was very responsive |
| 02:15 |
ThomasMonroe |
she? |
| 02:16 |
ThomasMonroe |
im talking with him now |
| 02:16 |
Natechip |
oh its a him |
| 02:16 |
Natechip |
my bad |
| 02:16 |
ircSparky |
rubenwardy, that would be awesome! the more you take from my port the less I have to do to update :P |
| 02:23 |
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| 02:24 |
ThomasMonroe |
hey ircSparky |
| 02:29 |
ircSparky |
hey |
| 02:31 |
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| 02:33 |
Natechip |
paramat: getting this error when compiling minetest dev 0.5.0 with cmake: The system is: Windows - 10.0.15063 - AMD64 |
| 02:33 |
Natechip |
think its the wrong settings or something? |
| 02:35 |
Natechip |
jas_ u know what... maybe ill just boot off of a usb onto my other pc |
| 02:36 |
Natechip |
XD |
| 02:37 |
jas_ |
that's true, i forgot about that |
| 02:37 |
jas_ |
it's easy to just run linux off a usb stick occasionally |
| 02:37 |
jas_ |
sometimes a bit tougher to get persistence, but it's worth it |
| 02:38 |
Natechip |
jas_ ill just use linux mint cinnamon |
| 02:38 |
Natechip |
64 bit |
| 02:39 |
Natechip |
i have a ISO image for like all linux OS's saved on a hard drive XD |
| 02:39 |
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| 02:40 |
jas_ |
https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ too |
| 02:40 |
jas_ |
i've never even tried a redhat based gnu/linux distro |
| 02:40 |
jas_ |
well, actually rh4.2 was my first linux, but i bricked it and gave up for a few years |
| 02:42 |
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| 02:42 |
NatechipDaBoss |
ok |
| 02:42 |
NatechipDaBoss |
has_ |
| 02:42 |
NatechipDaBoss |
jas_ |
| 02:42 |
jas_ |
yeeees? |
| 02:42 |
NatechipDaBoss |
windows did not like my formatting there |
| 02:42 |
NatechipDaBoss |
it just crashed my pc |
| 02:42 |
NatechipDaBoss |
:O |
| 02:43 |
jas_ |
there's a minetest daily ppa apparently |
| 02:43 |
jas_ |
you can put that on your stick |
| 02:43 |
NatechipDaBoss |
yea |
| 02:43 |
NatechipDaBoss |
I mighr just put linux on my second pc |
| 02:43 |
NatechipDaBoss |
annndd blue screen of death -_- |
| 02:43 |
NatechipDaBoss |
RIP windows |
| 02:45 |
jas_ |
i keep dying trying to make this mese crystal farm |
| 02:45 |
jas_ |
in lava |
| 02:45 |
NatechipDaBoss |
WINDOWS LIVES |
| 02:46 |
NatechipDaBoss |
lol |
| 02:47 |
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| 02:47 |
NatechipDaBoss |
noice |
| 02:48 |
Natechip |
jas_ its fixed |
| 02:48 |
Natechip |
hurray |
| 02:48 |
jas_ |
good job |
| 02:48 |
Natechip |
about to boot linux |
| 02:49 |
jas_ |
ye it's easier to have a windows box and a linux box, then to dual-boot in my experience |
| 02:49 |
Natechip |
man... I miss this |
| 02:49 |
jas_ |
but the usb stick helps |
| 02:49 |
Natechip |
yes |
| 02:49 |
Natechip |
also I have an extra PC |
| 02:49 |
Natechip |
so |
| 02:49 |
Natechip |
:D |
| 02:49 |
jas_ |
if you can get it to save your stuff, it's a lot better. still slow, but not too bad |
| 02:49 |
Natechip |
get what to save stuff |
| 02:49 |
Natechip |
my USB? |
| 02:49 |
jas_ |
otherwise you're gonna have to install minetest on it, or whatever, every time you boot from it |
| 02:50 |
jas_ |
unless you got persistence on it already? |
| 02:50 |
Natechip |
oh |
| 02:50 |
jas_ |
(i have to do this part manually) |
| 02:50 |
Natechip |
:/ I need to install linux to it anyways |
| 02:50 |
jas_ |
well usb sticks generally are read-only, and don't save your stuff (like background image :D)... so you need to enable "persistence" somehow |
| 02:50 |
jas_ |
and then it will |
| 02:51 |
jas_ |
so if you have a 16gb stick, and linux takes 2gb, you should have 14gb to save stuff to |
| 02:51 |
Natechip |
14gb stick |
| 02:51 |
jas_ |
for example |
| 02:52 |
jas_ |
i got a huge micro sd card the other day. blows my mind. |
| 02:52 |
Natechip |
lol |
| 02:52 |
jas_ |
i got one sd that's 1gb, super cool, it snaps in half and turns into USB |
| 02:52 |
jas_ |
haven't seen another like it, i'm sure they're out there |
| 02:52 |
Natechip |
O_o |
| 02:52 |
* jas_ |
looks |
| 02:53 |
Natechip |
uuughh |
| 02:53 |
jas_ |
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/516yQn1LKhL.jpg |
| 02:53 |
Natechip |
windows needs to update before I can wipe it lol |
| 02:53 |
jas_ |
that's the one |
| 02:53 |
Natechip |
kool |
| 02:53 |
jas_ |
good for when the machine doesn't boot from sd |
| 02:54 |
* jas_ |
steps away for coffee and a stretch |
| 02:54 |
jas_ |
waiting for these mese crystals to grow |
| 02:56 |
Natechip |
why |
| 02:56 |
Natechip |
isnt |
| 02:56 |
Natechip |
my USB stick being recognized! |
| 03:04 |
Natechip |
maybe it needs to be UEFI... |
| 03:06 |
jas_ |
sounds like windows has taken hold |
| 03:06 |
jas_ |
gnome does that to me sometimes |
| 03:06 |
jas_ |
i don't even know why i'm running it right now, but it's sweet |
| 03:06 |
Natechip |
jas_ i gtg |
| 03:06 |
Natechip |
ill be back later |
| 03:06 |
jas_ |
no complaints so i haven't removed it |
| 03:06 |
Natechip |
will u be here |
| 03:06 |
jas_ |
oh ok i'll ttyl |
| 03:06 |
jas_ |
most probably |
| 03:06 |
Natechip |
later? 1 hour |
| 03:07 |
Natechip |
maybe hour and 30 |
| 03:07 |
jas_ |
yep, i'm up all night |
| 03:07 |
* jas_ |
queues the beck song |
| 03:07 |
Natechip |
k |
| 03:08 |
jas_ |
then i'm gonna stream if you're not gonna connect |
| 03:08 |
jas_ |
i typically can't do both |
| 03:08 |
jas_ |
but first |
| 03:09 |
Natechip |
stream? |
| 03:12 |
jas_ |
yes to twitch |
| 03:12 |
jas_ |
haven't started yet gotta rewind this song |
| 03:12 |
jas_ |
can't stream utube songs, it'll mute the video |
| 03:13 |
jas_ |
so i usually play dark ambience off freesound/archive.org |
| 03:13 |
jas_ |
or slowed down aphex on youtube, it doesn't pick that up i don't think |
| 03:14 |
paramat |
Natechip i have no idea about your error message |
| 03:14 |
jas_ |
paramat do you have windows? |
| 03:15 |
jas_ |
can you compile minetest HEAD there? what about android? |
| 03:15 |
jas_ |
i heard it wasn't possible to compile current git on android |
| 03:15 |
jas_ |
is that true? |
| 03:15 |
paramat |
i have no windows, my house is dark |
| 03:15 |
jas_ |
and i wonder about mac |
| 03:15 |
jas_ |
ye torches it is |
| 03:15 |
jas_ |
you live in a cobble hut don't you? admit it hehehe |
| 03:18 |
jas_ |
https://twitch.tv/jastvn |
| 03:33 |
Natechip |
jas_ im ready |
| 03:46 |
paramat |
yes i use linux. O/ |
| 04:12 |
Natechip |
jas_ |
| 04:20 |
jas_ |
HI |
| 04:20 |
jas_ |
i don't see you |
| 04:20 |
jas_ |
brb |
| 04:24 |
jas_ |
connecting? |
| 04:24 |
jas_ |
compiling? |
| 04:25 |
Natechip |
jas_ |
| 04:25 |
Natechip |
idk how to compile it LOL |
| 04:25 |
jas_ |
oh you're on that live stick? |
| 04:25 |
Natechip |
yes |
| 04:25 |
jas_ |
you're gonna have to install packages and get the source and compiling it each time |
| 04:25 |
jas_ |
unless you get persistence. |
| 04:25 |
Natechip |
yes ik ill do that |
| 04:26 |
Natechip |
tmr ill install arch |
| 04:26 |
jas_ |
you mean on your system, instead of a stick? |
| 04:26 |
jas_ |
well, that's easier |
| 04:26 |
Natechip |
yes |
| 04:26 |
Natechip |
but tmr |
| 04:26 |
jas_ |
did i mention i like debian? never tried slackware |
| 04:27 |
Natechip |
it actually looks pretty nice from ur streams :) |
| 04:27 |
Natechip |
ok |
| 04:27 |
Natechip |
so I downloaded dependencies |
| 04:28 |
jas_ |
neat thx. i can show whole desktop (1080) or just minetest window (720) |
| 04:28 |
Natechip |
:D |
| 04:29 |
jas_ |
this is the only jump i "made", it's based off a grief someone did to my hut |
| 04:29 |
jas_ |
i'm going to make an easier jump course/track |
| 04:29 |
Natechip |
what do i do |
| 04:29 |
Natechip |
after dependecies |
| 04:29 |
jas_ |
get git |
| 04:30 |
jas_ |
git clone git://github.com/minetest/minetest.get |
| 04:30 |
jas_ |
git clone git://github.com/minetest/minetest.git |
| 04:30 |
Natechip |
k |
| 04:30 |
Natechip |
so basically download source |
| 04:30 |
jas_ |
read the README.md, and get the deps make sure. and do cmake . -LH to see all options |
| 04:30 |
jas_ |
yes |
| 04:30 |
jas_ |
but get git, cmake at least |
| 04:30 |
jas_ |
and after that, you can get what you lack easily |
| 04:31 |
Natechip |
jas_ do I download minetest_game |
| 04:32 |
jas_ |
if you like |
| 04:32 |
jas_ |
makes the media fetch quicker |
| 04:32 |
jas_ |
but do it inside minetest/games |
| 04:32 |
jas_ |
so 1) git clone git://github.com/minetest/minetest.git |
| 04:32 |
jas_ |
2) cd minetest/games and then git clone git://github.com/minetest/minetest_game.git |
| 04:33 |
Natechip |
k |
| 04:33 |
Natechip |
done and done |
| 04:33 |
jas_ |
ye definitely making an easier course |
| 04:33 |
Natechip |
i can choose and cmake option? |
| 04:34 |
jas_ |
if you just do cmake . that's fine |
| 04:34 |
jas_ |
it will pick up what it needs |
| 04:34 |
jas_ |
by default it is a system-wide install |
| 04:34 |
jas_ |
if you want it to run from the download directory that git clone retrieved, you do cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 |
| 04:35 |
Natechip |
ok |
| 04:35 |
Natechip |
I did cmake . |
| 04:35 |
Natechip |
now what |
| 04:35 |
Natechip |
._. |
| 04:35 |
jas_ |
make |
| 04:35 |
jas_ |
did it not complain? |
| 04:35 |
jas_ |
so, you must have gotten all the deps |
| 04:35 |
jas_ |
make will tell you for sure |
| 04:35 |
Natechip |
its missing some stuff |
| 04:36 |
jas_ |
ok install what it's missing |
| 04:36 |
Natechip |
it says Could NOT find ... |
| 04:36 |
jas_ |
at least get the stuff mentioned in README.md |
| 04:36 |
jas_ |
(there's an apt get line mentioned in that file.) |
| 04:36 |
Natechip |
WOOPS |
| 04:36 |
Natechip |
I JUST KNOCKED THE USB OUT OF PLACE |
| 04:36 |
Natechip |
XD |
| 04:36 |
Natechip |
RIP |
| 04:37 |
Natechip |
u know what |
| 04:37 |
Natechip |
lets just install debian tmr and do it then |
| 04:37 |
Natechip |
:D |
| 04:37 |
Natechip |
jas_ cya later, ill just do it tmr |
| 04:37 |
jas_ |
OKIE DOKIE |
| 04:37 |
jas_ |
ttyl |
| 04:37 |
Natechip |
laters |
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tenplus1 |
hi folks |
| 09:38 |
Amaz |
Hello ten :) |
| 09:39 |
tenplus1 |
hi amaz |
| 09:41 |
* tenplus1 |
thinks of a way to stop mobs jumping on carpets |
| 09:42 |
Krock |
ti tenplus1 |
| 09:42 |
tenplus1 |
hi krock |
| 09:42 |
Krock |
^ hi |
| 09:43 |
tenplus1 |
thought you were going for "ti amo" there :P)))) |
| 09:45 |
Krock |
huh |
| 09:45 |
tenplus1 |
ehehehehe |
| 09:45 |
tenplus1 |
s'ok |
| 09:52 |
tenplus1 |
I could make it so that mobs can only jump when standing on "normal" nodetype... but taht limits jumping on stairs/slabs... |
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tenplus1 |
hi sniper |
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| 10:04 |
tenplus1 |
hi Megaf |
| 10:04 |
Megaf |
hey tenplus1 |
| 10:04 |
Megaf |
hows things? |
| 10:07 |
Megaf |
Trying to move my /usr to a different device |
| 10:07 |
tenplus1 |
good ta... good luck with that :P I only have a separate /home |
| 10:07 |
Megaf |
I have a separate /home too |
| 10:08 |
Megaf |
now I want to have a separate /usr, because space |
| 10:09 |
tenplus1 |
lol... my '/' partition is 30gb and the rest of the ssd to /home... never really needed anymore than 30gb |
| 10:10 |
Megaf |
/dev/sdb2 3.8G 1.3G 2.6G 34% / |
| 10:10 |
Megaf |
/dev/sdb3 3.8G 3.1G 764M 81% /usr |
| 10:10 |
Megaf |
hm, my /usr is already a different partition, I dont need to rsync, I can just dd. cool |
| 10:11 |
Megaf |
and as you can see, I dont have much space |
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tenplus1 |
ahh |
| 10:12 |
Megaf |
/dev/mapper/sda4_crypt 3.7G 1.3G 2.5G 35% /home |
| 10:16 |
Megaf |
will rsync it, better |
| 10:16 |
Megaf |
it will defrag on the process |
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tenplus1 |
hi fixer |
| 10:31 |
Raven262 |
Hi ten, Megaf |
| 10:31 |
Raven262 |
Hi Krock |
| 10:31 |
tenplus1 |
o/ raven :) |
| 10:31 |
Krock |
hi Raven262. Your number must be really have a purpose. Now the screenshots topic page.. |
| 10:31 |
jas_ |
i love defrag |
| 10:32 |
Raven262 |
The time has come, Krock. |
| 10:32 |
tenplus1 |
hey jas |
| 10:32 |
Raven262 |
Just for what, i ask myself. |
| 10:32 |
jas_ |
mornin' |
| 10:32 |
Krock |
Raven262, the time comes to pass. isn't the logic? |
| 10:32 |
Krock |
*that logic |
| 10:32 |
Raven262 |
Yeah. |
| 10:33 |
Raven262 |
But every time comes to pass, why would this one be special then? |
| 10:34 |
Krock |
because it's a special time? |
| 10:35 |
Raven262 |
Yea, might be. |
| 10:38 |
Fixer |
hello |
| 10:48 |
Megaf |
Hi Raven262 Fixer Krock ShadowNinja shivajiva red-001 everyone |
| 10:48 |
Megaf |
morning jas_ |
| 10:48 |
jas_ |
gewd morning ;^) |
| 10:49 |
Megaf |
jas_, what part of Europe are you? |
| 10:49 |
Megaf |
located, that is |
| 10:49 |
Megaf |
maybe America continent |
| 10:49 |
jas_ |
new england lol |
| 10:49 |
jas_ |
maine |
| 10:50 |
Megaf |
cool |
| 10:50 |
jas_ |
used to be part of massachusetts but that was a long time ago |
| 10:51 |
Megaf |
hows the weather there? |
| 10:51 |
jas_ |
well it's starting to really cool down now |
| 10:51 |
shivajiva |
Hiya Megaf :) |
| 10:51 |
jas_ |
it had warmed back up for a bit, after cooling down in august |
| 10:52 |
Megaf |
jas_, I though Portland was in Oregon |
| 10:52 |
jas_ |
it was a cold summer, and it's been too dry. growing up, for example, it was "nine months of really bad weather, and three months of really poor sledding." |
| 10:52 |
jas_ |
not so much anymore, i feel |
| 10:52 |
jas_ |
portland is in maine first heh |
| 10:52 |
jas_ |
but it's not The Portland |
| 10:53 |
Megaf |
theres two Portlands... |
| 10:53 |
jas_ |
we have a work, a bath, a brunswick, all that... lebanon, china, mexico... i live in augusta |
| 10:53 |
Megaf |
oh boy |
| 10:53 |
jas_ |
i dunno what i meant by work. i do that too |
| 10:53 |
jas_ |
not so much work around here, tho, i hear it's mostly healthcare and mills, but the mills got shut down |
| 10:54 |
jas_ |
but there's minetest *whistles* back to xdecor |
| 11:12 |
Calinou |
hi |
| 11:12 |
tenplus1 |
hi Cal |
| 11:13 |
Calinou |
rubenwardy: haha, the score restriction thing is nice |
| 11:13 |
Calinou |
now Kevin420 won't take my steel swords! |
| 11:14 |
rubenwardy |
:D |
| 11:15 |
Raven262 |
Hi Calinou |
| 11:15 |
Raven262 |
Hi rubenwardy |
| 11:16 |
Megaf |
hi Calinou |
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IhrFussel |
CRITICAL BUG in itemframes mod by Zeg9: If you right click one that holds an item it will DROP the item infinitely |
| 11:22 |
IhrFussel |
The cause are these 2 lines in the on_rightclick() callback |
| 11:22 |
IhrFussel |
if clicker:get_player_name() == meta:get_string("owner") then |
| 11:22 |
IhrFussel |
drop_item(pos,node) |
| 11:22 |
tenplus1 |
hi fussel |
| 11:23 |
tenplus1 |
I rewrote that ages ago to use protection :PP |
| 11:23 |
IhrFussel |
I commented the drop_item() out to fix it ... now it will just replace the holding item with the item in hand |
| 11:24 |
IhrFussel |
tenplus1, I will look at your version ... is the bug fixed in yours? |
| 11:25 |
tenplus1 |
working fine here |
| 11:25 |
tenplus1 |
even has technic support to stop movers from affecting frame/pedestal |
| 11:32 |
Megaf |
well, I think I managed to migrate my usr with the system running |
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tenplus1 |
o/ caleb |
| 11:33 |
CalebDavis |
hi ten |
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ThomasMonroe |
o/ tenplus1 |
| 11:34 |
tenplus1 |
hi thomas |
| 11:34 |
shivajiva |
Hi tenplus, CalebDavis, ThomasMonroe |
| 11:35 |
ThomasMonroe |
hey shivajiva |
| 11:35 |
CalebDavis |
hi shivajiva |
| 11:35 |
Megaf |
tenplus1, yep, /usr moved, it was just a matter of mkfs /device, mount /device /temp_folder, rsync -azv /usr /temp_folder, sync, mount /device /usr, umount /olddevice, edit fstab |
| 11:35 |
shivajiva |
^ just lol |
| 11:35 |
tenplus1 |
kewl, all is working :) |
| 11:35 |
tenplus1 |
hi shiva |
| 11:36 |
Fixer |
"Hi Raven262 Fixer Krock ShadowNinja shivajiva red-001 everyon" lol, no need for that much |
| 11:36 |
tenplus1 |
o/ |
| 11:36 |
shivajiva |
Hiya Fixer o/ |
| 11:40 |
shivajiva |
pinned down a crash in sauth and added caching, it's pretty fast now, exceeds builtin on large auth.txt by a vast margin ;) |
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Megaf |
And also, system is much faster now |
| 11:41 |
Megaf |
with /usr in different device, less IO wait |
| 11:42 |
Raven262 |
Hi Fixer |
| 11:42 |
Raven262 |
Hi shivajiva |
| 11:44 |
shivajiva |
Hi Raven |
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IhrFussel |
tenplus1, I can't use your version so easily x/ I forgot that it would render all existing item frames in the world useless |
| 12:05 |
tenplus1 |
unless they are in protected area... good point |
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| 12:31 |
lisac |
hey tenplus1! |
| 12:31 |
tenplus1 |
hi lisac o/ |
| 12:31 |
lisac |
I found an old copy of Marx's Capital Volume 1 |
| 12:31 |
lisac |
it's from 1948 |
| 12:32 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
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tenplus1 |
hi twoelk |
| 12:40 |
twoelk |
o/ |
| 12:41 |
twoelk |
I inspected some of my caverns on Xanadu lately, with them torches burning only a limited time I sure have a lively community of monsters down there now :-D |
| 12:42 |
tenplus1 |
ehehe, try crafting abritorches, those are crystal based and wont burn out |
| 12:43 |
rubenwardy |
what mod do you use to make torches burn out:? |
| 12:43 |
twoelk |
haven't inspected all the late additions to Xanadu yet. |
| 12:43 |
rubenwardy |
https://github.com/tenplus1/real_torch |
| 12:43 |
rubenwardy |
ah |
| 12:43 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 12:44 |
tenplus1 |
most of the new updates are 0.4.16 specific after mod updates... got a huge lucky block update waiting to go live |
| 12:44 |
lisac |
tenplus1, don't tell me you added torch timers, then bypassed them by adding another torches? :) |
| 12:44 |
lisac |
but to be honest, I haven't placed a torch on Xanadu since you added the mod |
| 12:44 |
lisac |
I'm using glowglass |
| 12:45 |
tenplus1 |
good good... torches are a temporary solution :P |
| 12:45 |
lisac |
:D |
| 12:45 |
rubenwardy |
If I were to make a survival subgame, I'd do that |
| 12:45 |
tenplus1 |
but you can relight by punching with coal powder, gunpowder or even flint n steel |
| 12:45 |
lisac |
I've got 998 hours on TF2 |
| 12:45 |
lisac |
wow |
| 12:46 |
tenplus1 |
playerplus has been udpated also with changes ... has suffocation, walking in snow slowdown, sliding on ice and on_walk_over functionality |
| 12:46 |
twoelk |
was playing with the redo versions of mobs and farming on a private server. everytime I have studied all the new additions to the code so I can adjust my stuff you push a new update :-P |
| 12:47 |
tenplus1 |
:P so long as it works ok |
| 12:47 |
twoelk |
on_walk_over? |
| 12:47 |
twoelk |
sounds like my old green feet idea |
| 12:47 |
tenplus1 |
yeah, if you define a node and it has an on_walk_over function set (to explode, drop, open door etc) playerplus will run it |
| 12:47 |
tenplus1 |
yeah, even footstep blocks |
| 12:47 |
twoelk |
ah |
| 12:47 |
Wayward_One |
hi all :) |
| 12:47 |
tenplus1 |
paramat does this aleady |
| 12:47 |
tenplus1 |
o/ wayward |
| 12:48 |
rubenwardy |
https://i.rubenwardy.com/1YzDq3bTFU.png |
| 12:48 |
twoelk |
well I had a mod that would place flowers or turn stone to grass when walked over - made some nice crashes until I had it working |
| 12:49 |
Krock |
rubenwardy, looks more like german to me |
| 12:49 |
twoelk |
wonder where I left it |
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lisac |
rubenwardy, ниÑам Ñигуран |
| 13:20 |
lisac |
maybe |
| 13:20 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: "blue suckers" more or less |
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tenplus1 |
hi CWz |
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lisac |
Fixer, I hope you haven't managed to translate my string to 'blue suckers' |
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Fixer |
"Can't build for Android under Linux on Windows (WSL)" #360 |
| 13:29 |
Megaf |
what? |
| 13:34 |
Megaf |
gotta love this website https://www.materialpalette.com/ |
| 13:34 |
Megaf |
there's a colour called deep purple, rock'n'roll |
| 13:51 |
tenplus1 |
lol, the anti-cheat system just kicked a player for bouncing on a trampoline |
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tenplus1 |
wb Jordach |
| 13:58 |
CWz |
tenplus1, can too many protectors in an area cause lag? |
| 13:58 |
tenplus1 |
nope |
| 13:58 |
rubenwardy |
does colorise de-texture index textures? |
| 13:58 |
tenplus1 |
depending on radius they should be spread out every 2xradius nodes apart |
| 13:59 |
rubenwardy |
*does colorise de-color index textures? |
| 13:59 |
tenplus1 |
but if they are closer then it's fine :D |
| 13:59 |
rubenwardy |
I'm trying to turn the hotbar item selected indicator to blue, but it's red |
| 13:59 |
tenplus1 |
CWz: use the protector tool to place them :) |
| 13:59 |
twoelk |
lag with protectors might depend on what mischief the players are up to ;-P |
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tenplus1 |
if they are building houses totally out of protectors then that's another thing... ehehe |
| 14:00 |
tenplus1 |
hi nrz |
| 14:00 |
tenplus1 |
kinda like building a house out of furnaces |
| 14:01 |
twoelk |
something like a protection check cascade? |
| 14:01 |
tenplus1 |
Protector Redo for 0.5.0 will be a lot faster still once it's cimplete |
| 14:01 |
Fixer |
reason? |
| 14:02 |
tenplus1 |
I coudl limit protectors within radius to a certain number only... |
| 14:02 |
Fixer |
do invisible protectors |
| 14:02 |
tenplus1 |
was thiking that |
| 14:03 |
Fixer |
sky with protectors just sucks |
| 14:03 |
tenplus1 |
and a /protector_hide/show command so display your own |
| 14:03 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: maybe some simple tool that shows/hides your/shared/all protectors on use |
| 14:04 |
tenplus1 |
problem is making them invisible (airlike) lets falling nodes replace them... that's not good |
| 14:04 |
Krock |
tenplus1, btw.. can an "areas" area overlap a protector-area or is that prevented? |
| 14:04 |
tenplus1 |
protector redo only checks for overlaps with protector blocks, not areas |
| 14:04 |
tenplus1 |
they shouldnt really be run together if possible |
| 14:06 |
Krock |
still, some server owners do that :3 |
| 14:06 |
tenplus1 |
naughty naughty |
| 14:07 |
twoelk |
wait, using lots of furnaces as deco causes lag? Oops, might need to redesign some of my builds :-D |
| 14:08 |
Krock |
twoelk, //pos1 //pos2 //set air |
| 14:08 |
twoelk |
noooo |
| 14:08 |
tenplus1 |
furnaces use to use abm's but now they work with nodetimers, so long as they dont contain fuel/items the timer shouldnt be started to no lag |
| 14:08 |
twoelk |
ah, my furnace floors and gates are save |
| 14:09 |
tenplus1 |
lolol |
| 14:09 |
tenplus1 |
whyyyyyyy ? |
| 14:09 |
Krock |
saves space |
| 14:09 |
twoelk |
you get a deco block with a function out of useless cobble underground |
| 14:10 |
Krock |
you can use it as storage and even insert wood if you need to cook something |
| 14:10 |
twoelk |
yep |
| 14:10 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 14:10 |
* tenplus1 |
searches floor for cooked meat |
| 14:10 |
Krock |
but an entire floor would be too much for me to check |
| 14:11 |
Krock |
4 furnaces are enough for the most cases |
| 14:12 |
twoelk |
got some cavern floors made of hundreds of ovens each filled with a stack of cobble - now calculate the cobble I stowed away without spending any wood that can get precious underground |
| 14:13 |
rubenwardy |
man, custom hotbar images are verrryyyy broken |
| 14:13 |
tenplus1 |
someone should make a sticker set for mt... eyes/mouths/cracks etc you can put on a node for decoration :D |
| 14:13 |
tenplus1 |
brb |
| 14:14 |
rubenwardy |
turns out I was just being an idiot |
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nerzhul |
rubenwardy, +1 |
| 14:14 |
nerzhul |
:D |
| 14:14 |
nerzhul |
hi tenplus1 e |
| 14:14 |
rubenwardy |
in my case I was being an idiot, but they do suck generally |
| 14:17 |
twoelk |
sucking hotbar images does sound - sort of - nsfw |
| 14:18 |
* Krock |
thinks twoelk should clean his brain somewhen soon |
| 14:20 |
twoelk |
pfff - took so many years to train it to detect slippy ground - rather leave it as it is |
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tenplus1 |
hi thomas |
| 14:44 |
ThomasMonroe |
hi |
| 14:51 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: just change their texture to transperent or make it choose texture of neighb block |
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rubenwardy |
Calinou: https://github.com/rubenwardy/gauges |
| 14:52 |
rubenwardy |
couldn't find a repo |
| 14:52 |
rubenwardy |
also, your dropbox link is broken |
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tenplus1 |
wb Megaf |
| 14:54 |
Megaf |
Cheers |
| 15:03 |
tenplus1 |
http://lolsnaps.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/59de46670a5cb_a44f284b645f96d4377d551e67dc1a80.mp4 |
| 15:04 |
* Megaf |
mpv it |
| 15:04 |
Megaf |
totally worth it |
| 15:04 |
tenplus1 |
:PP |
| 15:05 |
Krock |
tenplus1, good do- ehm cat! |
| 15:05 |
tenplus1 |
I kinda miss the random video selection youtube use to have on front page... |
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tenplus1 |
hi robbie |
| 15:06 |
Krock |
tenplus1, update instagram now: https://i.redd.it/1zivd8rur7rz.png |
| 15:06 |
tenplus1 |
? |
| 15:18 |
* twoelk |
looks around ... nobody else in the office? ... starting hidden mt from company server ... pssssssst |
| 15:20 |
tenplus1 |
lolol |
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| 15:28 |
IhrFussel |
Hi again |
| 15:28 |
Krock |
There's really a page about how to Open-Source: https://opensource.guide/ |
| 15:29 |
red-001 |
so many new TLDs |
| 15:31 |
Krock |
inb4 mydomain.tld |
| 15:42 |
red-001 |
I would expect that to happen soon |
| 15:42 |
rubenwardy |
now, shall I install no_guests *thinks* |
| 15:48 |
Fixer |
i'm now actually thinking that my previous Pentium 4 PC can be quite good for retro gaming of DOS/W95/98/XP era, drivers should be available (kinda for most parts) |
| 15:49 |
red-001 |
rubenwardy, is that mod still useful? |
| 15:49 |
Fixer |
with Win98SE installed |
| 15:49 |
rubenwardy |
well, it increases the effort to log in - so hopefully dissuade some of the complete idiots |
| 15:49 |
rubenwardy |
like, a few it ok, but not if all slots are taken up by them |
| 15:50 |
red-001 |
since guests are now just people with a random first name + four digit number¿ |
| 15:50 |
rubenwardy |
well, the regex needs to be updated |
| 15:50 |
rubenwardy |
but I can easily do that |
| 15:50 |
Fixer |
red-001: three digit number |
| 15:51 |
IhrFussel |
Fixer, Nope it's 3-4 digits |
| 15:51 |
Fixer |
4 now? holy crap |
| 15:51 |
Fixer |
wait till 5 |
| 15:51 |
red-001 |
did anyone figure out which app does this and dump a name list from it? |
| 15:52 |
IhrFussel |
I actually have quite a few "guests" with such names who are active and build normally...which is the main reason why I opened the issue about the punishing of mobile clients |
| 15:52 |
red-001 |
issue number? |
| 15:53 |
IhrFussel |
red-001, I opened it in the master-server repo |
| 15:53 |
sfan5 |
https://github.com/minetest/master-server/issues/17 |
| 15:53 |
red-001 |
IhrFussel, any idea what client does this? |
| 15:53 |
IhrFussel |
Many |
| 15:54 |
IhrFussel |
It's basically some fork of the source that includes that name list |
| 15:54 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: yeah |
| 15:54 |
red-001 |
well could you name any? |
| 15:55 |
Fixer |
https://www.multicraft.org/ kek |
| 15:56 |
IhrFussel |
red-001, I can install a few from the play store and check if any of them does it |
| 15:57 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: yeah, try it please, i don't really like tempering in shit, be if you can stand it |
| 15:58 |
IhrFussel |
Got one: WorldCraft: Exploration Lite |
| 15:59 |
IhrFussel |
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.funketapps.games.worldcraft2 |
| 16:00 |
IhrFussel |
It lets me change the name but default is "Kirtland752" password is hIBX4P so completely useless if people don't write it own |
| 16:01 |
Krock |
how did you even get to the password? |
| 16:02 |
IhrFussel |
Krock, the app just gives you a password...you can change it but the default is randomly generated |
| 16:03 |
IhrFussel |
In fact each time I go back to the main menu and tap "Multiplayer" I get another name..now it's "Velastegui891" |
| 16:05 |
Krock |
You can't filter such names, unless you block the use of three digits in the end of the name. Either weight the players by active time or generate an income for Minetest by selling the top tanks |
| 16:05 |
Krock |
*top ranks |
| 16:05 |
Krock |
I don't see any other reasonable solution |
| 16:07 |
sfan5 |
you can filter them with reasonable accuracy |
| 16:07 |
sfan5 |
the server list uses this |
| 16:07 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: ahhhh, so those morons are the reason why auth.txt are cluttered with this useless shit and servers are full of unfinished boxes built with MoronXXX that never goes back |
| 16:07 |
Fixer |
is* |
| 16:08 |
IhrFussel |
Here's the app repo https://github.com/FunKetApp/minetest |
| 16:08 |
Krock |
sfan5, simply by checking against the numbers? |
| 16:08 |
Fixer |
issues and PRs conviniently disabled |
| 16:09 |
sfan5 |
Krock: ^[A-Z][a-z]{3,}[1-9][0-9]{2,3}$ |
| 16:10 |
Krock |
ah yes, I just found the line in server.py |
| 16:10 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: searching for Kirtland does not reveal anything |
| 16:10 |
IhrFussel |
I don't consider them guests though, just people who are too stupid to change the name in the field |
| 16:11 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: so it gives you new name no matter what? thats stupid |
| 16:12 |
IhrFussel |
Fixer, I didn't check if the app saves my name after connecting to a server..one sec |
| 16:13 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: but you said "In fact each time I go back to the main menu and tap "Multiplayer" I get another name..now it's "Velastegui891"" |
| 16:13 |
Fixer |
so thanks to this bullshit our servers auth.txt are exploding in size |
| 16:13 |
IhrFussel |
Yes when I go server list -> main menu it changes |
| 16:13 |
Fixer |
peace of shit |
| 16:13 |
Fixer |
son of a bitch |
| 16:14 |
Fixer |
piece* |
| 16:14 |
IhrFussel |
But maybe the app saves the name I use to connect to a server |
| 16:14 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: can you check it? |
| 16:14 |
Fixer |
it can't be that fucked up |
| 16:14 |
sfan5 |
Fixer: the code in the repo is probably not the one actually live, you need to download the app and extract it to find out what it's doing |
| 16:14 |
IhrFussel |
Spartz513 is my name now..let's see |
| 16:14 |
Fixer |
lol |
| 16:15 |
IhrFussel |
LOL it said invalid password on one server...cause someone else with that random name already exists |
| 16:15 |
Fixer |
lolol |
| 16:15 |
Krock |
hardcoded array of usernames? |
| 16:16 |
Fixer |
yes |
| 16:16 |
Fixer |
Krock: thats fucked up shit |
| 16:16 |
red-001 |
Krock, yes |
| 16:16 |
Krock |
like math.random is too difficult to use in mainmenu |
| 16:16 |
Fixer |
anyone wants to write up to those "developers" |
| 16:16 |
red-001 |
it's in the binary |
| 16:16 |
Fixer |
? |
| 16:17 |
IhrFussel |
Fixer, the app remembers the username you chose after you connect to a server at least...but still shitty |
| 16:17 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: remembers for that server? even after reconnect? even after ap^shit^@program restart? |
| 16:19 |
IhrFussel |
Names can have 2 digits too so your server list regex is wrong ATM |
| 16:19 |
red-001 |
10,700 names |
| 16:20 |
IhrFussel |
Antilla80 is my next name |
| 16:20 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: for that server? |
| 16:20 |
red-001 |
https://pastebin.com/dJemab0n |
| 16:22 |
IhrFussel |
Fixer, the app remembers the last name you entered to connect to a server, no matter which server you select in the list, if you go back to main menu or close the app |
| 16:22 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: but you said it changed somehow |
| 16:22 |
IhrFussel |
Which means if people uninstall the app the account will be LOST since nobody can remember such a password "aBuQXI" |
| 16:23 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: nobody is smart enough to write down name and password? what a great time to be alive |
| 16:24 |
IhrFussel |
Fixer, if people were smart enough to write their password down they would likely realize that they can TYPE an own name into the name field |
| 16:24 |
red-001 |
or 10,709 usernames to be exact |
| 16:24 |
IhrFussel |
But they obviously don't |
| 16:25 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: what is worrying me is some deepshits clutter auth.txt files to 40 fucking megabytes, XXX XXX accounts just on one server, this is silly |
| 16:25 |
shivajiva |
well this accounts for 10,709 of my 211,000 accounts, what about the other 200K :) |
| 16:25 |
red-001 |
shivajiva, it could be more |
| 16:25 |
red-001 |
since it adds a random 3-4 digit number to it |
| 16:26 |
Fixer |
shivajiva: now question, who the fuck generated 200K accounts? |
| 16:26 |
IhrFussel |
red-001, 2-4* |
| 16:26 |
tenplus1 |
you woudl be surprised... |
| 16:26 |
tenplus1 |
it's good ip_per_names limits it to 3 accounts per uses |
| 16:26 |
Fixer |
we need auth.txt cleaner |
| 16:27 |
shivajiva |
that's +2 years |
| 16:27 |
Fixer |
that checks if account was inactive for some time and purge everything |
| 16:27 |
Fixer |
purge all items from the map |
| 16:27 |
rubenwardy |
^[A-Za-z]+[0-9][0-9][0-9]$ |
| 16:28 |
shivajiva |
heh that's easy in sauth.... SELECT * FROM auth WHERE last_login.... |
| 16:28 |
red-001 |
thats 106,972,201 possible names |
| 16:28 |
shivajiva |
makes my 211K look like nothing |
| 16:29 |
red-001 |
(assuming that all numbers are used) |
| 16:29 |
IhrFussel |
red-001, Did you add all possibilities with 2 and 3 digits to that number? |
| 16:30 |
red-001 |
(9999-10) x 10709 |
| 16:32 |
tenplus1 |
would be nice to have a script that servers could run once in a while to remove names/users that havent been on the server for a period of n months |
| 16:32 |
rubenwardy |
does no_guests stop existing players? |
| 16:32 |
IhrFussel |
red-001, isn't 10,000 only the possibilities with 4 digits? You need to add 2 and 3 extra I thin |
| 16:33 |
IhrFussel |
0001 is not 001 or 01 |
| 16:33 |
Fixer |
shivajiva: can you actually somehow analyze your auth.txt? classify filenames, if they have some patterns? |
| 16:33 |
Fixer |
classify player names* |
| 16:33 |
red-001 |
tbh I haven't given it much though |
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| 16:34 |
tenplus1 |
hi paramat |
| 16:34 |
Calinou |
evening :) |
| 16:34 |
red-001 |
considering that you got an account that was already used I wouldn't trust it uses a good random number generator |
| 16:35 |
Calinou |
rubenwardy: yeah, there's no repository of gauges, feel free to mirror it, everything inside is CC0 |
| 16:35 |
rubenwardy |
:D |
| 16:35 |
Calinou |
Dropbox links broke a few months ago, they pulled public links entirely :P |
| 16:35 |
rubenwardy |
would you like me to transfer the repo to you? |
| 16:35 |
Calinou |
sure :) |
| 16:35 |
* Calinou |
prays he'll get the transfer email this time |
| 16:35 |
rubenwardy |
also, how do you remove "commited by rubenwardy" |
| 16:35 |
Calinou |
you can't |
| 16:36 |
Calinou |
it's not very important anyway |
| 16:36 |
rubenwardy |
done |
| 16:36 |
Fixer |
Calinou: downfall of dropbox |
| 16:36 |
rubenwardy |
there are a few bugs with gauges |
| 16:36 |
rubenwardy |
I have some fixes locally, wanted to test on CTF first |
| 16:37 |
Fixer |
i remember hipsters flying over it, taking "more" space via special offers, etc, now it is just shit |
| 16:37 |
tenplus1 |
?? |
| 16:37 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: incorrect |
| 16:37 |
tenplus1 |
!! |
| 16:37 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: someone is impersonating you |
| 16:38 |
tenplus1 |
on a server ? |
| 16:38 |
Fixer |
here |
| 16:38 |
tenplus1 |
they dont have my password, so wouldnt be able to talk in channel ?!?!?! |
| 16:38 |
Fixer |
nevermind, ?!?!?! is back |
| 16:39 |
Fixer |
you confirmed |
| 16:39 |
* tenplus1 |
fwaps Fixer with a trout |
| 16:39 |
paramat |
Fixer please could you restrain your cursing? =) (just read logs) |
| 16:39 |
Fixer |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6525 this needs lieks |
| 16:39 |
Fixer |
LIKES |
| 16:39 |
Fixer |
paramat: sure |
| 16:40 |
IhrFussel |
red-001, 11100 possible combinations ... now calculate it again with the amount of names |
| 16:40 |
tenplus1 |
agree'd, rollback needs restrictions |
| 16:40 |
tenplus1 |
personally I disable it completely |
| 16:40 |
Fixer |
and i said nothing about rollback speed (not secret: it sucks from what I know) |
| 16:41 |
Fixer |
still feeling need for some low level tool to clean up inactive player mess on servers |
| 16:41 |
Fixer |
or maybe ingame tool |
| 16:41 |
Fixer |
say i see flying doors instead of building |
| 16:41 |
tenplus1 |
I'm sure that Robbie had a script to do just that, remove old players |
| 16:41 |
Fixer |
owned by some dude who will never go play again |
| 16:41 |
Fixer |
mark by tool |
| 16:41 |
Fixer |
everything from that dude is removed from the map |
| 16:42 |
Fixer |
chests, doors, blocks, protections, areas, etc |
| 16:42 |
Fixer |
one click removal |
| 16:42 |
Fixer |
puff |
| 16:42 |
Fixer |
also, my hometown base turns into s--tshow :( |
| 16:42 |
Calinou |
<Fixer> Calinou: downfall of dropbox |
| 16:42 |
IhrFussel |
118,869,900 possible name combinations |
| 16:42 |
Calinou |
yeah, I use Nextcloud on a VPS now |
| 16:42 |
Calinou |
I stopped using Dropbox around 2014 |
| 16:42 |
Calinou |
by the way, look at my cloak :^) |
| 16:42 |
Calinou |
it changed today |
| 16:43 |
Fixer |
Calinou: tons of links are broken now, with some rare stuff too, and don't forget those nazis from photobucket |
| 16:43 |
Calinou |
I'm no longer unaffiliated, I had that cloak since mid-2011! |
| 16:43 |
Calinou |
rubenwardy: I'm not getting the transfer request email, this is the 2nd time this happens :( |
| 16:43 |
Fixer |
photobucket spam with that upgrade 400usd insanity |
| 16:43 |
Fixer |
i have to ban this crap somehow from my eyes |
| 16:43 |
Calinou |
what about imageshack.us? IMAGES HACK US! |
| 16:44 |
Fixer |
Calinou: ha? i don't remember this since ever |
| 16:44 |
shivajiva |
Fixer I could but I rapidly instigated refusal of players ending in 3 digits |
| 16:44 |
Fixer |
Calinou: who even use that? |
| 16:44 |
Calinou |
it was popular 7-10 years ago |
| 16:45 |
Fixer |
shivajiva: translate failure |
| 16:45 |
rubenwardy |
Calinou :O |
| 16:45 |
Fixer |
Calinou: yeah, nobody cares about, _and_ it does not spam with this useless "upgrade by paying us 400usd per year", are you silly? 400 USD PER YEAR??? WTAF??? |
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| 16:46 |
tenplus1 |
hi neinwhal |
| 16:46 |
Calinou |
woo, new album from avkh! https://avkh.bandcamp.com/album/telephone-telegraph |
| 16:46 |
Fixer |
literally 99.999999% will not pay even 4 usd per year for that |
| 16:46 |
Calinou |
saw it today by checking my old email address webmail :P |
| 16:46 |
Calinou |
(it's a guy making experimental/electronic CC BY music) |
| 16:46 |
Fixer |
Calinou: some good vaporwave? |
| 16:46 |
Calinou |
I bought his entire discography last year (half-price, since I bought all albums at once) |
| 16:46 |
Calinou |
although I'll have to buy this one $1 :p |
| 16:46 |
Fixer |
Calinou: feels hipsterish |
| 16:46 |
Calinou |
it is hipsterish |
| 16:47 |
shivajiva |
Fixer: I stopped players with numbers at the end from joining only a few days after it started |
| 16:47 |
neinwhal |
hi tenplus1 |
| 16:47 |
Fixer |
shivajiva: imagine if you have not stopped that ;) |
| 16:48 |
shivajiva |
Hi neinwhal o/ |
| 16:48 |
Fixer |
Calinou: https://www.ghacks.net/2017/06/30/photobucket-now-charges-399-for-third-party-hosted-images/ |
| 16:48 |
Calinou |
remember omploader/ompldr? :) |
| 16:48 |
neinwhal |
hi shivajiva |
| 16:49 |
Fixer |
Calinou: yeah, i've used it |
| 16:49 |
shivajiva |
with the throughput skyblock had at the time the file would have hit the top limit and ground to a halt, except minetest has this habit of crashing and wiping files to fix that issue :D |
| 16:50 |
Fixer |
shivajiva: use backups |
| 16:50 |
shivajiva |
oh I did, it's essential |
| 16:50 |
shivajiva |
but with 1000+ players a day it's easy to lose bits |
| 16:51 |
Fixer |
lol https://github.com/kzahel/photobucket-embed-fix |
| 16:51 |
shivajiva |
I instigated a vpn lookup and 3 days later I was banned for exceeding the limit |
| 16:52 |
Fixer |
nice |
| 16:52 |
Fixer |
"""vpn""" """service""" |
| 16:52 |
Calinou |
rubenwardy: oh, the transfer emails arrive on my old email |
| 16:53 |
Calinou |
there, I accepted the transfer |
| 16:54 |
rubenwardy |
:D |
| 16:54 |
IhrFussel |
I hope my random generated name confirmation now puts the "bots on servers" rumor to rest |
| 16:58 |
Calinou |
https://media.hugo.pro/firefox_2017-10-12_18-58-13.png |
| 16:58 |
Calinou |
there, I bought that album :P |
| 16:58 |
Calinou |
[229 MB FLAC .zip downloads] |
| 17:03 |
tenplus1 |
per track or album |
| 17:05 |
Calinou |
per album |
| 17:05 |
tenplus1 |
that's not bad... |
| 17:07 |
tenplus1 |
I tend to re-compress albums to Ogg Vorbis @ 96kbps (192kbps mp3 equiv) |
| 17:07 |
Fixer |
use opus |
| 17:07 |
sfan5 |
red-001: this is the code responsible for generating names btw https://i.imgur.com/Sn94Wtj.png |
| 17:08 |
rubenwardy |
well, that's unreadable |
| 17:08 |
Krock |
^ |
| 17:08 |
sfan5 |
welcome to decompilers |
| 17:08 |
rubenwardy |
ah |
| 17:09 |
Calinou |
is the name dictionary available somewhere? |
| 17:09 |
red-001 |
sfan5, ida? |
| 17:09 |
Calinou |
this way, we can reliably block them |
| 17:09 |
Calinou |
(without false positives) |
| 17:09 |
sfan5 |
red-001: yes |
| 17:09 |
red-001 |
Calinou, I pasted a dump |
| 17:09 |
Calinou |
red-001: the thing nobody pays for |
| 17:09 |
* Calinou |
hides |
| 17:09 |
red-001 |
Calinou, pretty sure they know |
| 17:10 |
red-001 |
I guess they are counting on companies that need it to pay |
| 17:10 |
Fixer |
Calinou: https://pastebin.com/dJemab0n |
| 17:11 |
Fixer |
Calinou: iirc that IDA tool was written by one gifted person, kinda |
| 17:12 |
Krock |
"bedgood" |
| 17:12 |
sfan5 |
unlike everything else, ida actually works reliably |
| 17:12 |
sfan5 |
(hopper is probably fine too) |
| 17:12 |
Calinou |
a drunk AAA game modder once said, "Where there is not light, there can IDA Pro!" |
| 17:13 |
Krock |
common location for programmers |
| 17:13 |
red-001 |
Fixer, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilfak_Guilfanov |
| 17:15 |
Fixer |
oh, he is in Belgium now |
| 17:17 |
Fixer |
NICE! https://github.com/pastudan/photobucket-imgur |
| 17:17 |
Fixer |
Re-host your forum's PhotoBucket images on Imgur |
| 17:17 |
Fixer |
this is damn useful |
| 17:18 |
Fixer |
sapier detected |
| 17:19 |
red-001 |
??? |
| 17:19 |
Fixer |
red-001: time to write a mod for banning those guys, or somehow restricting them to one name |
| 17:19 |
red-001 |
sapier detected? |
| 17:19 |
Fixer |
in -dev |
| 17:19 |
sfan5 |
this app actually includes lots of C++ changes that use existing minetest stuff |
| 17:19 |
red-001 |
ah |
| 17:20 |
red-001 |
sfan5, and let me guess most of them are not pushed to the repo which they claims contains the source code? |
| 17:20 |
sfan5 |
(like downloading assets on the fly, parsing stuff using jsoncpp, saving "daily gold counts" in the minetest settings) |
| 17:20 |
sfan5 |
none of those are in the repo |
| 17:20 |
Fixer |
red-001: not pushed |
| 17:20 |
red-001 |
take a look at all the new lua api functions |
| 17:20 |
rubenwardy |
issue a GPL code request :D |
| 17:21 |
red-001 |
sfan5, any idea how the assets are compressed? |
| 17:21 |
red-001 |
I saw similar compression on an iOS minetest clone |
| 17:21 |
sfan5 |
pretty sure they are downloaded from a remote server |
| 17:21 |
red-001 |
ah so what is the resdata file? |
| 17:22 |
sfan5 |
idk |
| 17:23 |
Calinou |
how I feel when a game insists on downloading its core assets on the fly: https://twitter.com/doom_txt/status/916143659686363138 |
| 17:23 |
Fixer |
whats new? Fix bugs 2, Update map... // LMAO |
| 17:23 |
Calinou |
this kind of this comes from the mobile hell :( |
| 17:24 |
Fixer |
Calinou: mobile = dirty |
| 17:24 |
Fixer |
windows = dirty too |
| 17:24 |
Krock |
> using a githash-dirty client on linux |
| 17:24 |
Fixer |
linux = more glorious, cleaniness (or how it is written), Monk |
| 17:24 |
Fixer |
level: Monk |
| 17:25 |
Fixer |
f---, this Worldcraft has better rating than Minetest |
| 17:25 |
Fixer |
:D |
| 17:25 |
red-001 |
extrect_worlds |
| 17:25 |
IhrFussel |
Fixer, EVERY 3rd-party app that clones MT has a better rating for some reason |
| 17:25 |
red-001 |
I like the alternate spelling they use |
| 17:25 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: probably those chinese click farms? |
| 17:26 |
Fixer |
also, look here, they have two clones of minetest o.O https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=FunKetApp |
| 17:26 |
Calinou |
red-001: extrekt_worlds |
| 17:26 |
Fixer |
both have ads shit |
| 17:26 |
red-001 |
Fixer, some iOS devs have 4 or 5 clones |
| 17:27 |
red-001 |
well "devs" |
| 17:27 |
Fixer |
""""devs"""" |
| 17:27 |
Calinou |
[insert Spock here] |
| 17:27 |
Fixer |
and nobody from said morons donated a dime for original project |
| 17:28 |
Shara |
Impressed they actually credit MT... |
| 17:28 |
IhrFussel |
WAIT guys...so if the software downloads its assets on the fly it doesn't need to publish that on-the-fly code? |
| 17:29 |
Calinou |
it still does |
| 17:29 |
Calinou |
(I think) |
| 17:29 |
red-001 |
it does |
| 17:29 |
Calinou |
also, the core engine (LGPLv2.1+) is still pre-installed |
| 17:29 |
Fixer |
i really waiting for new mod that just bans all those GuyXXXX altogether and gives me back my lawn |
| 17:29 |
sfan5 |
the version in the play store is based on at least 0.4.13 since it includes srp stuff |
| 17:30 |
Calinou |
Fixer: my server has no playerbase :( |
| 17:30 |
Krock |
Fixer, why a new mod? no_guests and name_restrictions can be extended easily |
| 17:30 |
Calinou |
I'm expecting players to know how to read a server description |
| 17:30 |
red-001 |
the tl;dr for lpgl is you are suppose to have access to the source code for any binary you have access to |
| 17:30 |
IhrFussel |
So they thought they could simply clone the minetest repo and make us think that would be the actual source code? |
| 17:30 |
Calinou |
IhrFussel: probably |
| 17:30 |
red-001 |
sfan5, and it's version string is literaly 0.4.13 |
| 17:30 |
Calinou |
note: the (L)GPL requires distributing the complete corresponding source code, *even if you have not modified anything*! |
| 17:30 |
Krock |
Calinou, the server title is too long |
| 17:30 |
sfan5 |
well i verified that the hard way |
| 17:30 |
Fixer |
Calinou: i would prefer no userbase to this dirt halfbuild house shit with flying door build by random mobile player once and leaves this garbage on our servers |
| 17:30 |
Krock |
doesn't fit into my textlist |
| 17:31 |
Krock |
there's no description FYI |
| 17:31 |
Fixer |
Calinou: i would prefer actual player who at least tries to build, i don't need yet another halfbuild dirt house + half build mimic of minecraft farm with _unlocked_ chest |
| 17:32 |
Fixer |
this is worse than in 2011 |
| 17:32 |
Fixer |
i'm not here to multiply shitty builds |
| 17:32 |
Fixer |
shitty builds should be REMOVED |
| 17:32 |
Calinou |
Krock: there is one |
| 17:33 |
Fixer |
also, this mod can filter all those untermobile guys to some smallish area on server somewhere on floatland above |
| 17:33 |
red-001 |
Fixer, wait for 0.5? |
| 17:33 |
Calinou |
the default password is in both the server name and description |
| 17:33 |
Fixer |
red-001: and? |
| 17:33 |
IhrFussel |
The at least modified the loading bars... I saw a "X% (XX KB / XX KB)" |
| 17:33 |
red-001 |
most of these apps wouldn't update |
| 17:33 |
Fixer |
red-001: reason? |
| 17:34 |
Krock |
Calinou, oh right. 0.4.16-dev client using the 0.5.0 builtin code, that's why it doesn't show up here. But the server title is still way too long :3 |
| 17:34 |
rubenwardy |
Shara, they legally have to credit Minetest if they add ads or any proprietary code. Still suprising though |
| 17:34 |
red-001 |
Fixer, the devs are lazy |
| 17:34 |
Fixer |
red-001: why are you thinking that? the flow of money is big |
| 17:35 |
red-001 |
for instance the multicraft dev said they don't want to update to c+11 |
| 17:35 |
Fixer |
red-001: reason? |
| 17:35 |
Fixer |
red-001: his religion does not accept cpp11? |
| 17:35 |
Calinou |
rubenwardy: they cannot legally add ads or proprietary code |
| 17:35 |
Calinou |
by Android's nature (and ad SDK's) |
| 17:35 |
red-001 |
something about it breaking something in thier setup or something |
| 17:35 |
sfan5 |
Calinou: rest in piece |
| 17:35 |
Calinou |
*no* popular ad SDK is open source |
| 17:35 |
sfan5 |
(there's ads) |
| 17:35 |
Fixer |
and ads are cancer, especially when you show it to kids |
| 17:35 |
rubenwardy |
with LGPL, if they rewrite the java they can |
| 17:36 |
Fixer |
i would rather show porn then ads |
| 17:36 |
Fixer |
than* |
| 17:36 |
IhrFussel |
The ads play after you disconnect from a server |
| 17:36 |
Calinou |
Fixer: "The Best Dating Site For Singlenodes!" |
| 17:36 |
rubenwardy |
but they also have to provide adequate documentation on how to swap out Minetest as a library |
| 17:36 |
Shara |
rubenwardy: I know they have to, but yea, like you say. |
| 17:36 |
IhrFussel |
And they are 15+ second videos |
| 17:36 |
Calinou |
rubenwardy: yeah, but they don't |
| 17:36 |
Calinou |
dynamically-linked is allowed, statically-linked isn't |
| 17:36 |
Calinou |
(they don't have the source of the ad SDKs) |
| 17:37 |
red-001 |
they could just write a wrapper around the SDK |
| 17:38 |
Calinou |
that won't fix it, since it still depends on the SDK |
| 17:38 |
red-001 |
and distribute that as a dll |
| 17:38 |
Calinou |
the only kind of proprietary linking the GPL allows is to system libraries (vcredist, etc) |
| 17:38 |
Calinou |
the LGPL works in a similar way, you cannot statically link to proprietary libraries |
| 17:39 |
Calinou |
(can you even dynamically link to them?) |
| 17:39 |
Calinou |
(barring any kind of exception, we don't have any exceptions added to Minetest's LGPL) |
| 17:39 |
Calinou |
for example, GPL programs need an OpenSSL exception to link OpenSSL dynamically |
| 17:39 |
Calinou |
since OpenSSL's license is not GPL-compatible |
| 17:40 |
red-001 |
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#LGPLStaticVsDynamic |
| 17:40 |
Calinou |
yep |
| 17:40 |
Calinou |
nobody does 1) |
| 17:41 |
Calinou |
(at least, I've never seen a proprietary developer do it) |
| 17:42 |
red-001 |
I think some game did that |
| 17:42 |
sfan5 |
here's a picture with a few findings https://i.imgur.com/UWATEBk.png |
| 17:42 |
sfan5 |
(sorry for huge res) |
| 17:42 |
red-001 |
so users could edit the source code |
| 17:42 |
red-001 |
but not mess with auth or drm stuff |
| 17:42 |
Fixer |
thats not huge by Calinou standards |
| 17:42 |
Calinou |
to satisfy 1), you just need to distribute object code (these .o files) or source code under a proprietary license |
| 17:42 |
Fixer |
sfan5: good font |
| 17:43 |
Calinou |
but for proprietary developers, that's too much trouble 8) |
| 17:43 |
sfan5 |
Fixer: you mean the code font? yea it looks good despite missing smoothing/antialias |
| 17:43 |
red-001 |
sfan5, huh interesting |
| 17:43 |
Fixer |
sfan5: yes |
| 17:43 |
Fixer |
sfan5: windows system one? |
| 17:43 |
Calinou |
that font and color scheme is ugly :( |
| 17:43 |
red-001 |
I could check if it fetches the main menu from the server as well |
| 17:43 |
Krock |
looks like notepad++ |
| 17:44 |
sfan5 |
Fixedsys Normal 11 |
| 17:44 |
Fixer |
yeah |
| 17:44 |
red-001 |
also is that running under wine or something? |
| 17:44 |
Fixer |
that one |
| 17:44 |
Fixer |
Calinou: you are just too hip |
| 17:44 |
sfan5 |
red-001: obviously |
| 17:45 |
red-001 |
the first statement or the second? |
| 17:45 |
sfan5 |
what? it's running under wine |
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| 17:47 |
Fixer |
i've saved that name dump just to be sure |
| 17:48 |
Fixer |
if someone wants to write a mod to restrict/ban/movetotheirfloatland for those GuyXXXX players will be nice |
| 17:49 |
IhrFussel |
"enable.vipads.vip" F**K off with this VIP crap |
| 17:49 |
Fixer |
vipads? it is like VIP AIDS? |
| 17:49 |
rubenwardy |
Fixer, no_guests |
| 17:49 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: what it does? |
| 17:49 |
tenplus1 |
if there was a way to determine actual landmass at a specific location in floatlands then it would be handy :D |
| 17:50 |
rubenwardy |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=8004 |
| 17:50 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: or generate it ;) |
| 17:50 |
rubenwardy |
just don't be lazt |
| 17:50 |
Fixer |
now, all those kids from the dump - get of our lawns |
| 17:50 |
rubenwardy |
add ["^[A-Za-z]+[0-9][0-9][0-9]$"] = "Please choice your own username. Usernames with letters then 3 digits are not allowed" |
| 17:50 |
paramat |
it's possible to predict where floatland terrain will be, in a mod |
| 17:51 |
tenplus1 |
how so paramat, I would like that for portals |
| 17:51 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: the problem is - they will still build itty half-finished houses and rarely join again, i need them to go away to some separate realm, floatland whatever, and leave the lawn to proper players |
| 17:52 |
paramat |
tenplus1 it's not easy, you have to recreate core mapgen code in lua |
| 17:52 |
Shara |
Fixer: play single player or get admin to allow you ridiculously huge protected area |
| 17:52 |
tenplus1 |
hi shara |
| 17:52 |
paramat |
'floatlands are too good for them' |
| 17:52 |
rubenwardy |
I have a rather large area on RC |
| 17:52 |
red-001 |
I have to say that the devs have an interesting site |
| 17:53 |
tenplus1 |
paramat: that's going a tad too far to detect land in floatlands |
| 17:53 |
Shara |
rubenwardy: Your area is small compared to what some have :) |
| 17:53 |
red-001 |
thier main page is just the name of some town in china |
| 17:53 |
rubenwardy |
:O |
| 17:53 |
Shara |
But feel free to enlarge. |
| 17:53 |
Fixer |
Shara: i don't believe in experienced mobile players, there are not to much of them on PC even, yet alone on mobile, they can build in separate kid playground, notable builds can be imported and good builders allowed to build in main area |
| 17:53 |
paramat |
tenplus1 it's the only way |
| 17:53 |
rubenwardy |
I should probably start building |
| 17:53 |
Shara |
Fixer: Sorry, but I can introduce you to a very impressive mobile player one day if you like |
| 17:54 |
Shara |
They might be rare, but they exist |
| 17:55 |
paramat |
when i say 'recreate', only the basic stone terrain creation |
| 17:55 |
IhrFussel |
The actual problem of those players is that they likely have NO CLUE how the game or server works...they don't even know that they are reall playing "minetest" and that they are connecting to a "minetest" server ... they are probably expecting a Minecraft rather than a Minetest |
| 17:56 |
tenplus1 |
some expect it to act like minecraft, but once they start exploring and learning they soon get the hang of it and enjoy themselves |
| 17:57 |
IhrFussel |
99% of people search "Minecraft" in google play and look for the next best "free" app that has some kind of "craft,build,mine" in its name and download it |
| 17:58 |
IhrFussel |
The other 1% (or even less) actually knows about Minetest and searches the right name |
| 17:58 |
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| 17:58 |
tenplus1 |
wb thomas |
| 17:59 |
IhrFussel |
And that explains the good ratings for those other apps...since they appear higher in search results for "Minecraft" |
| 17:59 |
Krock |
does any of them provide the source code? |
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| 18:00 |
tenplus1 |
am looking forward to 0.5.0 release for that alone... so current players will need to use official game to get onto their worlds |
| 18:00 |
IhrFussel |
tenplus1, yes but many will just leave and uninstall the game as soon as they realize "that's not mc!!!11" |
| 18:00 |
tenplus1 |
wb caleb |
| 18:00 |
CalebDavis |
thx ten |
| 18:01 |
tenplus1 |
fussel: and that's why we need a script to run that scrolls through player files and removes the ones over 6 months old or older |
| 18:01 |
tenplus1 |
whittle down the list |
| 18:02 |
Krock |
tenplus1, you'd also have to check the player active time |
| 18:02 |
Krock |
otherwise you could lose your own account :3 |
| 18:02 |
Shara |
I have it easy on RC... every so often I remove all players that have the nointeract priv |
| 18:03 |
Shara |
(apart from admin account of course) |
| 18:03 |
Shara |
If they never managed to get interact, it means they never built or did anything... so no reason to keep them. |
| 18:03 |
IhrFussel |
This works good for a simple "last login" check: ts=$(date -d "6 months ago" +%s); awk -F: -v "my_timestamp=$ts" '$4 > my_timestamp' auth.txt > newauth.txt |
| 18:03 |
Shara |
Last time I reduced from 34mb auth to under 3mb... |
| 18:04 |
tenplus1 |
nice reduction... |
| 18:05 |
Shara |
Yea... |
| 18:05 |
Shara |
And I completely recommend sauth to anyone with a large auth file and no good way to reduce it |
| 18:05 |
IhrFussel |
With the above command I reduced mine from 20 -> 12 MB |
| 18:06 |
tenplus1 |
am scared to look at xanadu's :P |
| 18:06 |
Shara |
sauth took DL from sitting at 6 max_lag right back down to under 1. |
| 18:06 |
Shara |
So kind of huge performance gain. |
| 18:07 |
Shara |
And since I served as the lab rat, I probably ran into all the bugs and left none for the rest of you :P |
| 18:08 |
rubenwardy |
I managed to avoid them in sauth |
| 18:08 |
rubenwardy |
just in sban |
| 18:08 |
Shara |
rubenwardy: out of curiousity, how big was your auth file when switching to sauth? |
| 18:08 |
rubenwardy |
0 |
| 18:08 |
Shara |
No wonder then :P |
| 18:09 |
rubenwardy |
:C |
| 18:09 |
Shara |
DL's was 40+mb |
| 18:09 |
rubenwardy |
* :D |
| 18:09 |
sfan5 |
.setMessage((CharSequence)"Please give a 5 stars rate to unlock VIP map. Thanks!") |
| 18:09 |
sfan5 |
good one |
| 18:09 |
rubenwardy |
not a very good tester |
| 18:09 |
rubenwardy |
urgh |
| 18:09 |
rubenwardy |
that broken English |
| 18:10 |
sfan5 |
red-001: https://pastebin.com/aSLdfCrz |
| 18:10 |
rubenwardy |
make sure to add any Android and iOS Minetest forks to https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16707 |
| 18:10 |
IhrFussel |
The lag problems I have are rather caused by globalsteps https://pastebin.com/xSFZGjp8 |
| 18:10 |
Fixer |
sfan5: what VIP map? |
| 18:10 |
sfan5 |
i dunno either |
| 18:11 |
sfan5 |
new AdColonyUserMetadata().setUserAge(26).setUserEducation("bachelors_degree").setUserGender("male"); |
| 18:11 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: can you paste fuller table? |
| 18:11 |
sfan5 |
🤔 |
| 18:11 |
Fixer |
sfan5: lel |
| 18:11 |
Fixer |
lelelelelel |
| 18:11 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 18:12 |
rubenwardy |
that's not accurate |
| 18:12 |
rubenwardy |
new AdColonyUserMetadata().setUserAge(13).setUserEducation("elementary").setUserGender("male"); |
| 18:12 |
Fixer |
so kids got porno ads and usual enlarging |
| 18:12 |
Fixer |
it is all useless |
| 18:12 |
Fixer |
ads are useless |
| 18:12 |
Fixer |
most of the time |
| 18:13 |
Fixer |
what is horrifying is other: drug ads on TV, now thats huge cancer |
| 18:13 |
tenplus1 |
o.O for that alone I'd stop kids using ad based games |
| 18:13 |
Fixer |
buy this and it will cure (etc) no wonder it not only does not cure but you spend money on shit or worse (homeopathy) |
| 18:14 |
red-001 |
huh it has a custom server list sfan5 |
| 18:14 |
red-001 |
http://jsoneditoronline.org/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmisc.dreammakerwh.com%2Fgameassets%2FToClient.php%3Fiosver%3D1 |
| 18:14 |
Fixer |
Shara: considering posting your results here https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=18604 |
| 18:15 |
IhrFussel |
Fixer, http://ihrfussels-server.tk/report.php |
| 18:15 |
red-001 |
rubenwardy, I guess they are also trying to scam thier ad providors |
| 18:15 |
Shara |
Fixer: I already did |
| 18:16 |
sfan5 |
red-001: the ability to push certain new settings to clients is quite innovative |
| 18:16 |
red-001 |
I do agree |
| 18:16 |
IhrFussel |
Or wait |
| 18:16 |
red-001 |
but I don't think thats what they are doing |
| 18:17 |
IhrFussel |
Fixer, https://pastebin.com/Gtigeabj |
| 18:20 |
sfan5 |
red-001: it's what they are doing https://pastebin.com/ZsLsfGp8 |
| 18:20 |
* Calinou |
downloads the latest NVIDIA driver |
| 18:20 |
Calinou |
it has… OpenGL 4.6 |
| 18:20 |
tenplus1 |
windows or linux ? |
| 18:20 |
Calinou |
I'll never need it, but it sounds so cool! |
| 18:20 |
Calinou |
Windows of course :p |
| 18:20 |
sfan5 |
that one ads setting is read here from g_settings, so it must be that the results from php are written into it |
| 18:20 |
tenplus1 |
be careful if it's a win10 update, has been known to break |
| 18:23 |
red-001 |
lol thier asset site is great |
| 18:23 |
red-001 |
"If you want to buy hunganhotel.net, send me email please :) patrick.cahill09 gmail.com" |
| 18:25 |
Calinou |
hotelsmadeofcobblestone.com |
| 18:25 |
Calinou |
could be a best-seller… |
| 18:25 |
rubenwardy |
cobblestonehouses.com |
| 18:25 |
rubenwardy |
even better |
| 18:25 |
rubenwardy |
cobblestonehouses.io |
| 18:25 |
rubenwardy |
sell that to Fixer for $$$$ |
| 18:25 |
rubenwardy |
he's love it |
| 18:26 |
tenplus1 |
stoneblobs.oeg |
| 18:30 |
tenplus1 |
Q. should mobs only jump when standing atop a "normal" full node ? |
| 18:30 |
Calinou |
they should be able to jump while standing on slabs too? |
| 18:30 |
Calinou |
and stairs |
| 18:30 |
Calinou |
just like players can |
| 18:31 |
red-001 |
sfan5, I think I understand why they did this |
| 18:32 |
red-001 |
it's so they can generate new apps faster if they need to |
| 18:33 |
red-001 |
wait no that doesn't make that much sense since they hardcode a lot of stuff |
| 18:35 |
sofar |
looks like I'll be switching to sauth, ... and sban too |
| 18:36 |
tenplus1 |
o/ sofar |
| 18:36 |
Shara |
Hi sofar |
| 18:36 |
sofar |
been worried about auth.txt growth for a while now |
| 18:36 |
Shara |
Definitely worth it if that auth file size is creeping up |
| 18:36 |
sofar |
800k already |
| 18:36 |
tenplus1 |
oof |
| 18:37 |
Shara |
Just look at the lag values DL reports now compared to your tests before |
| 18:37 |
sofar |
filesize, not player count :) |
| 18:37 |
tenplus1 |
ohh, lol... was wondering there |
| 18:37 |
sofar |
2200 lines in auth.txt |
| 18:37 |
IhrFussel |
Still nobody was able to confirm the bug I reported? It's just a simple copy&paste into a init.lua and toggle between profiler on/off to reproduce x/ |
| 18:38 |
Shara |
sofar: That's still tiny :) |
| 18:38 |
sofar |
yeah, but only 668 players actually made it past login |
| 18:38 |
sofar |
so I'm gonna have to autoprune that once in a while |
| 18:38 |
sofar |
2/3rds of players connecting to my server never finish login |
| 18:38 |
rubenwardy |
Runtime error from mod 'ctf_team_base' in callback LuaABM::trigger(): Node name is not set or is not a string! |
| 18:39 |
sofar |
(all android) |
| 18:39 |
rubenwardy |
what does this even mean :/ |
| 18:39 |
* rubenwardy |
searching Minetest |
| 18:39 |
Shara |
Yup. As I said earlier, deleting all players with nointeract (means they never left the start area) on RC, reduced my auth file from 34mb+ to under 3mb |
| 18:39 |
rubenwardy |
*searches |
| 18:39 |
sofar |
btw, why only 360? |
| 18:40 |
sofar |
shivajiva: ^ |
| 18:47 |
sofar |
shivajiva: set it to 3600, it had no problems, didn't notice any lag |
| 18:47 |
sfan5 |
red-001: it has pre-made zip files with requires assets for each server http://misc.dreammakerwh.com/gameassets/us.espteam.org_30000.zip |
| 18:48 |
* sofar |
is now running sauth as well |
| 18:48 |
sfan5 |
i'm not sure exactly why tho |
| 18:50 |
shivajiva |
I was being conservative sofar, server owners don't appreciate the server hanging on startup for 3 or 4 mins |
| 18:51 |
shivajiva |
I know it's only the first time but I didn't want to worry people |
| 18:51 |
shivajiva |
the dump is far quicker method for a 50 MB file |
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| 18:52 |
sofar |
shivajiva: 3600 took a second, if at most |
| 18:52 |
sofar |
well, 2200 took a second, if even that |
| 18:53 |
sofar |
I'd maybe print some progress info, but the conversion only happens once |
| 18:53 |
sofar |
so even if it takes a minute, I wouldn't worry |
| 18:53 |
shivajiva |
yea I did an 80MB in about 5 mins, it really isn't that bad |
| 18:53 |
Fixer |
Shara: nice, basicly 90% players just visiting? |
| 18:54 |
Shara |
Fixer: 90% is people with stupid weak devices or people who can't read either english or german to get out |
| 18:55 |
Shara |
(or who refuse to try to read) |
| 18:56 |
shivajiva |
I'd really like dev to incorporate the features of sauth into builtin, playing on a server that only sees the players playing from a priv checking perspective is a big improvement |
| 18:56 |
tenplus1 |
would be handy |
| 18:56 |
Shara |
Would be good. |
| 18:57 |
Shara |
Still can't get over the performance gain. |
| 18:58 |
shivajiva |
it's only when you start counting the priv checks that it becomes apparent that it's a bottle neck |
| 18:59 |
Krock |
cache it? |
| 18:59 |
shivajiva |
yup, that's what sauth does |
| 18:59 |
Krock |
fine :) |
| 18:59 |
shivajiva |
it reduces the view to only the players playing |
| 18:59 |
red-001 |
https://github.com/gameabc/worldcraft/blob/master/src/com/abc/GameActivity.java |
| 18:59 |
paramat |
please do open issues for anything that will help servers or combat low quality players |
| 19:00 |
Shara |
paramat: low quality players can only be dealt with by lots of moderators. |
| 19:00 |
red-001 |
looks like they copied code from that |
| 19:00 |
Shara |
If you penalise against all app users, you'll tie up decent players as well |
| 19:01 |
Krock |
default_password = this_is_complicated_to_enter_the_first_time helps too |
| 19:03 |
Fixer |
paramat: i would not call it "low quality players" but "low interested players" people who kinda place two blocks and move on to next game |
| 19:03 |
Fixer |
paramat: and ofc ruining look of the server in the process |
| 19:03 |
Fixer |
perfectionist likes a e s t e t i c s |
| 19:03 |
Fixer |
one flying chest ruins it all |
| 19:04 |
Fixer |
Raven262: how is that Craigs server clean up going? |
| 19:04 |
Krock |
Fixer, here some more a e s t e t i c s: https://youtu.be/m5vAoOrZiSg?t=3m36s |
| 19:06 |
Fixer |
paramat: i had some fun time with WE and "just test" world save, my conclusion - 80% of everything is garbage architecture that needs to be removed, you ended with pretty clean looking space server that feels very different, open space and such |
| 19:06 |
Fixer |
Krock: not in VHS format |
| 19:06 |
Fixer |
i have TV out on this card, maybe it is time to unbox The VHS |
| 19:06 |
Raven262 |
Fixer, Well, day by day it is all more abandoned. |
| 19:06 |
Raven262 |
We seriously need players there. |
| 19:07 |
sofar |
shivajiva: can you please check this: |
| 19:07 |
sofar |
https://gist.github.com/ahkok/b9effd2b48d40a190904fedf1b75ef97 |
| 19:07 |
Fixer |
Raven262: it is just server needs renovations |
| 19:07 |
Raven262 |
I would be happy if someone except for only SG would play. |
| 19:07 |
Fixer |
Raven262: 1) move spawn to new more fresh location with place to builds |
| 19:07 |
tenplus1 |
good idea |
| 19:07 |
Fixer |
Raven262: 2) Remove those half-build KEBABS |
| 19:07 |
sofar |
I think that's a great way to prune the sauth db |
| 19:07 |
Raven262 |
Fixer, I know. |
| 19:07 |
Fixer |
Raven262: 3) remove all those flying doors/chests etc (relocate them to lost and found) |
| 19:08 |
Fixer |
Raven262: 4) add some activity on forum |
| 19:08 |
tenplus1 |
do any anarchy servers still exist ? |
| 19:08 |
Raven262 |
Lisac and I had this idea: we organize an event in which builders build a new spawn. Next we vote for the best one, and then that one is the spawn for the next 6 months. |
| 19:08 |
Fixer |
Raven262: the problem is when someone joins at spawn, you need to walk really long time to find a free spot to build |
| 19:09 |
tenplus1 |
I like that raven :) has players be part of the main server... |
| 19:09 |
Fixer |
Raven262: there must be relatively free and fresh new spawn that is not taxing on hardware on pffers free space |
| 19:09 |
Raven262 |
Indeed, we do need an open area teleport and some cleanup. |
| 19:09 |
tenplus1 |
iska and noob101 build xanadu's spawn |
| 19:09 |
Raven262 |
tenplus1, Xanadu's spawn is awesome, i love the design. |
| 19:10 |
Fixer |
Xanadu spawn is good example, maybe too big for my taste, but at least it offers not a big fps penalty |
| 19:10 |
Fixer |
some server owners may dislike this |
| 19:10 |
tenplus1 |
thanks :) we've hidden 5x stargates in spawn and the 4 main paths also |
| 19:10 |
Raven262 |
Is there a big FPS penalty on Craig's spawn? |
| 19:10 |
Raven262 |
I never noticed it. |
| 19:10 |
Fixer |
Krock: this has the bestest comments https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU8HrO7XuiE |
| 19:10 |
Fixer |
Raven262: yes |
| 19:11 |
Raven262 |
Hmmm, will have to talk to lisac about this. |
| 19:11 |
Fixer |
Raven262: spawn is in the middle of the city |
| 19:11 |
Raven262 |
I have some ideas. |
| 19:11 |
shivajiva |
I like that sofar, good first round cleaner |
| 19:11 |
paramat |
do we have a configurable client-join timeout time limit? if not would that help anyone |
| 19:12 |
Krock |
Fixer, yeah. the vacuum cleaner comment repeats quite frequently there |
| 19:12 |
sofar |
i'll probably run that every server restart |
| 19:12 |
Fixer |
"What if cinderella was a baking slave instesd of cleaning slave and her name was mozzarella" |
| 19:12 |
Fixer |
this is ground breaking |
| 19:13 |
Fixer |
ground breaking off topic |
| 19:15 |
shivajiva |
yea, makes sense, keep the payload of the cleanup small |
| 19:16 |
sofar |
I just put it in as an ExecStartPre= in the service unit |
| 19:16 |
sofar |
right next to the mtmapprune |
| 19:19 |
sofar |
now I just need sban to replace xban2 (I'm not too happy with the interface) |
| 19:19 |
sofar |
and something to keep env_meta.txt from being written every 5 seconds |
| 19:21 |
IhrFussel |
sofar, map_save_interval .. I set mine to 60 |
| 19:21 |
sofar |
oh, that affects env_meta.txt? |
| 19:21 |
tenplus1 |
same |
| 19:22 |
sofar |
huh, I could care less |
| 19:22 |
sofar |
I have time_speed = 0 |
| 19:22 |
sofar |
I could set it to 3600 |
| 19:23 |
IhrFussel |
It affects auth writes too I think |
| 19:23 |
sofar |
I just switched to sauth... |
| 19:23 |
IhrFussel |
Actually nope...the last auth access was 13 minutes ago |
| 19:24 |
Raven262 |
Fixer, I've been searching for a random place to make a new spawn, but then i found: https://i.imgur.com/ZUZe2t9.png |
| 19:24 |
sofar |
https://i.imgflip.com/1xi5s2.jpg |
| 19:24 |
Raven262 |
These dungeons are so nice. |
| 19:24 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 19:25 |
Fixer |
Raven262: spawn should not be that far from first one |
| 19:25 |
Fixer |
Raven262: somewhere on the town outskirts IMO |
| 19:25 |
Raven262 |
20000 and 20000 nodes from old spawn? |
| 19:25 |
Krock |
shivajiva, I just noticed that using sauth doesn't/can't check for similar names once a new player joins. Side effect: EsmeraldaLetsPlay and EsMerAldALetsPlaY are both possible |
| 19:25 |
Raven262 |
We are making a whole new thing here. |
| 19:25 |
paramat |
hm how about a setting for the initial spawn point in a world? |
| 19:26 |
paramat |
not always as close as possible to 0,0? |
| 19:26 |
sofar |
shivajiva: btw, if you want to move sban/sauth into minetest-mods, that'd be cool, of course |
| 19:26 |
sofar |
I get it if you don't, ofc |
| 19:26 |
tenplus1 |
Krock: wasnt that dealt with already by checking on join for lowercase nicks and stopping them in default already ? |
| 19:26 |
Raven262 |
I thought that it can be set in .conf already, paramat. |
| 19:26 |
Krock |
sofar, and somewhen there's the point where people notice that using postgresql would be faster |
| 19:26 |
Krock |
tenplus1, sadly only available for the default auth method |
| 19:26 |
Fixer |
what is sban? |
| 19:27 |
Fixer |
google does not show |
| 19:27 |
Shara |
Fixer: bans as bans should be done |
| 19:27 |
sofar |
Krock: yes, but, for insidethebox where our map is <25mb, it really doesn't need that |
| 19:27 |
paramat |
i don't mean 'fixed spawn point' though, that doesn't search for terrain level |
| 19:27 |
Fixer |
krocksearch and google give no result |
| 19:29 |
tenplus1 |
click 'dis fixer: https://forum.minetest.net/search.php?keywords=sauth&sr=topics |
| 19:30 |
paramat |
hm maybe not very useful actually. i'd rather have a scattered spawn option |
| 19:30 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: hs, forum search actually finding anything? nioce |
| 19:31 |
Fixer |
"This mod depends on the lua module lsqlite3" this part sucks |
| 19:31 |
shivajiva |
Krock: only thing I can think of is to add a function that retrieves from the whole db for such cases |
| 19:31 |
Krock |
Fixer, link not found? FTFY |
| 19:31 |
tenplus1 |
wait, I gotta install that seperately ??? |
| 19:32 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: via luarocks or smth |
| 19:32 |
Krock |
shivajiva, or a manual implementation for each backend, which seems easier right now |
| 19:32 |
shivajiva |
luarocks install lsqlite3 |
| 19:32 |
tenplus1 |
o.O so I need to isntall luarocks to isntall sqlite3 to run sauth... eek |
| 19:33 |
shivajiva |
lol it's trivial tenplus |
| 19:33 |
Shara |
tenplus1: worth it |
| 19:35 |
shivajiva |
on a server there's a reasonable chance you would install luasocket via that method for the irc mod |
| 19:42 |
tenplus1 |
shiva, this line: https://github.com/shivajiva101/sauth/blob/master/init.lua#L42 is the numbers in brackets field sizes ? |
| 19:42 |
Raven262 |
Fixer, is the Craig's spawn reducing the FPS really that much? |
| 19:43 |
Raven262 |
Nobody else seems to notice a drop. |
| 19:43 |
Fixer |
Raven262: if you have low level cpu - yes |
| 19:43 |
Fixer |
Raven262: depends on cpu/gpu/vrange |
| 19:43 |
Fixer |
Raven262: and your settings |
| 19:43 |
Fixer |
Raven262: it is in the middle of the city, what fps are you expecting? |
| 19:43 |
Fixer |
300? |
| 19:44 |
Fixer |
city centers are slow, on any servers |
| 19:44 |
Raven262 |
60 |
| 19:44 |
Raven262 |
its not that bad really |
| 19:45 |
Raven262 |
vrange is 100 and i'm playing without most of the shaders. |
| 19:46 |
Fixer |
Raven262: hit my fps cap at 100 with vrange 100 |
| 19:47 |
Fixer |
same with vrange 160 |
| 19:47 |
Raven262 |
Wait |
| 19:47 |
Raven262 |
30 fps when looking at this wall full of nodeboxes |
| 19:47 |
Fixer |
it gets slower when you load more blocks |
| 19:47 |
Fixer |
80 fps |
| 19:47 |
Raven262 |
I think its cause of the nodeboxes. |
| 19:47 |
Fixer |
60 fps now |
| 19:50 |
Fixer |
Raven262: at spawn with vrange 160 when blocks loaded around - 36 fps |
| 19:51 |
* tenplus1 |
is getting 240fps |
| 19:51 |
tenplus1 |
vrange of 5 |
| 19:51 |
tenplus1 |
:PP |
| 19:52 |
Fixer |
Raven262: just walking around that lake, with vrange 160, i should say about 3/4 of the views had acceptable fps (above 60), with my core i3 + ati X800 gto |
| 19:53 |
Raven262 |
AMD A8 7600 here, around 50 at spawn, 60 stable in the lake area. |
| 19:53 |
Fixer |
acceptable |
| 19:54 |
Raven262 |
Nodeboxes drain lots of FPS though, check out RHR's area. |
| 19:54 |
IhrFussel |
tenplus1, the time mob_step() takes to execute is based on how many mobs are loaded in the player area? |
| 19:55 |
Fixer |
Raven262: moving spawn to different location should also motivate players to build new stuff |
| 19:55 |
tenplus1 |
wut ? |
| 19:55 |
IhrFussel |
I just saw 450ms in the profiler for zombies on_step() |
| 19:55 |
tenplus1 |
the more mobs the more on_steps per mob, yes |
| 19:55 |
Raven262 |
Yes indeed, Fixer. |
| 19:56 |
tenplus1 |
but.. all depends if using default mob step function or custom per mob functions |
| 19:56 |
tenplus1 |
mob registry settings can reduce it right down |
| 19:56 |
IhrFussel |
zombies don't have any custom functions so it must be mob_step |
| 19:56 |
Raven262 |
But making only a "spawn building" is not all. We now have the chance to create a new public mine, and some nice tree/cotton/wheat farms |
| 19:57 |
Raven262 |
Also some easily accessible shops |
| 19:59 |
IhrFussel |
tenplus1, is there a way to kinda limit the mob_steps()? I guess I'd have to give each mob an ID and identify them by that to determine whether they should run their mob step or ignore |
| 20:00 |
tenplus1 |
depends on what you want mobs to actually do |
| 20:00 |
tenplus1 |
you can limit by settings alone, making sure pathfinding isnt enabled for example |
| 20:01 |
IhrFussel |
I don't want to have too many execute their step code at once (since some players own A LOT of animals) |
| 20:01 |
tenplus1 |
reduce walk chance in animals then, that'll stop it executing a lot of steps |
| 20:02 |
tenplus1 |
then they just stand around a lot :) |
| 20:02 |
tenplus1 |
with the odd chance of movement unless interacted upon |
| 20:02 |
IhrFussel |
Or perhaps I should add another "timer" to their definition and compare that on mob_step() ? |
| 20:02 |
tenplus1 |
you can |
| 20:03 |
tenplus1 |
remember certain functions are timed though, |
| 20:03 |
IhrFussel |
True...like attacking players I guess |
| 20:04 |
tenplus1 |
yup, that happens on a live step so it can follow/attack/pathfind etc |
| 20:04 |
tenplus1 |
shoot timers spawn from that |
| 20:04 |
tenplus1 |
also switching between melee and shoot attack |
| 20:04 |
IhrFussel |
damage per second too I think |
| 20:05 |
tenplus1 |
yeh |
| 20:07 |
tenplus1 |
fussel, after line 2523 (latest api) add a timer: self.newtimer = (self.newtimer or 0) + dtime, if self.newtimer < 0.25 then return else self.newtimer = 0 end |
| 20:07 |
tenplus1 |
that'll still work but reduce steps quite a bit |
| 20:11 |
tenplus1 |
nite all o/ |
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| 20:14 |
rubenwardy |
> bans Abcdef123 nicks |
| 20:15 |
rubenwardy |
> gets "ppp", "123", "1", "3005" |
| 20:16 |
rubenwardy |
ah, all but the first were before today |
| 20:16 |
Fixer |
https://i.imgur.com/Vz5cBNm.png |
| 20:17 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: do not ban them, just send them to Hell (some smallish locked area just for them away from pcmasterrace) |
| 20:17 |
rubenwardy |
not banned, just access denied |
| 20:18 |
rubenwardy |
this is CTF, the base is that place mostly |
| 20:18 |
Krock |
Fixer, are they using the nyan cat illegally there? I hope they don't |
| 20:18 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: or other way, detect those Abcdef123 and ban by IP ;) |
| 20:19 |
Krock |
rubenwardy, oh, the profile isn't deleted after leaving? I thought it would |
| 20:20 |
Fixer |
nyan can |
| 20:20 |
rubenwardy |
no, players have a score, Krock |
| 20:21 |
rubenwardy |
with kills, deaths, ko, captures, attempts, score |
| 20:21 |
rubenwardy |
and the auth is saved |
| 20:24 |
IhrFussel |
I tried to improve IO reads/writes by not checking the idle state and updating the timestamp at once but giving every online player a dedicated timer and only execute the idle check code when the timer is up...but it STILL reports 300ms in the profiler...HOW? |
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Calinou |
https://media.hugo.pro/Discord_2017-10-12_22-39-07.png |
| 20:40 |
Calinou |
my Discord account is 1 year old today |
| 20:40 |
Calinou |
~~1 year of memes~~ |
| 20:41 |
Krock |
D A N K M E M E S |
| 20:49 |
* Fixer |
still have no discord or anything |
| 20:53 |
garywhite |
how do you even see when your Discord was created? |
| 20:53 |
Calinou |
some bots can tell you |
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| 22:01 |
Megaf |
Shara, Tropical storm is coming http://www.thejournal.ie/hurricane-ophelia-3642276-Oct2017/ |
| 22:01 |
Megaf |
t r o p i c a l |
| 22:01 |
Megaf |
in Ireland |
| 22:02 |
Megaf |
just lol |
| 22:02 |
Shara |
I am more liking to die from the spacing thing than the storm, I think. |
| 22:02 |
Shara |
likely* |
| 22:02 |
Shara |
Or from the mods. Death by mods! |
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Fixer |
locate and destroy s t r o g g leader |
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rubenwardy |
Calinou, may I pm? |
| 22:36 |
Calinou |
rubenwardy: yes |
| 22:37 |
Calinou |
<Shara> Or from the mods. Death by mods! |
| 22:37 |
Calinou |
Death By Oerkki |
| 22:37 |
Calinou |
trust me, they'll exist on Earth by 2025, Elon Musk said so |
| 22:40 |
IhrFussel |
Anyone got a clue what could make file writes so slow on Ubuntu? 30ms to write "echo $(date +%s) > file" |
| 22:42 |
IhrFussel |
First I thought it would be lua only so I shut down the MT server ... then I stopped my web server and all other scripts that write to files ocassionally ... but even with everything disabled it takes 10-30ms to write to files from the terminal |
| 22:42 |
IhrFussel |
Is it the HDD? |
| 22:43 |
Calinou |
an HDD's access time is 15-30 ms |
| 22:43 |
Calinou |
that seems logical |
| 22:43 |
Calinou |
a SSD's access time is < 1 ms, usually around 0.2 ms or so, if I'm not mistaken |
| 22:43 |
IhrFussel |
Calinou, that can't be...my HDD on my local machine takes 2-3ms to write to a file and it's not a SSD AFAIK |
| 22:47 |
Fixer |
quake 2 - refinished yet again |
| 22:47 |
Fixer |
quake 1 is next |
| 22:51 |
IhrFussel |
Calinou, I have a HDD -> Rotation Rate: 5400 rpm |
| 22:52 |
IhrFussel |
So 10-30ms is not normal for a file write at all |
| 22:58 |
Fixer |
IhrFussel: if you are on windows, check performance monitor for disk io |
| 23:01 |
IhrFussel |
Fixer, It's my dedi and it runs Ubuntu 16.04 ... I typed iotop when everything was turned off and I only saw some small disk writes every few secs...those were a few KB and I don't believe that those could slow the I/O down |
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Megaf |
Shara, I'm not sure we can actually die |
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| 23:16 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel, dont use Ubuntu |
| 23:16 |
Megaf |
use Debian |
| 23:16 |
Megaf |
and use descent FS |
| 23:16 |
Megaf |
like JFS, XFS or ZFS |
| 23:17 |
Megaf |
JFS for reliability, XFS for speed, ZFS for its amazing features |
| 23:17 |
IhrFussel |
Megaf, the thing is my local machine that also runs Ubuntu (well Xubuntu) can write a LOT faster to files with the exact same FS |
| 23:18 |
IhrFussel |
So something must be wrong with the HDD on my dedi maybe...I can post the S.M.A.R.T report I just created |
| 23:18 |
Megaf |
Well, then something is clearly wrong with the configuration |
| 23:18 |
IhrFussel |
https://pastebin.com/v5rz1LT6 |
| 23:18 |
Megaf |
maybe you dont have cache in your server or something like that |
| 23:20 |
IhrFussel |
Megaf, any way to check that? |
| 23:20 |
Megaf |
Not sure |
| 23:20 |
Megaf |
but anywhere around 20ms is expected, really |
| 23:20 |
Megaf |
that's real HDD performance |
| 23:20 |
Megaf |
if it's way lower than that, then it's cache, or SSD |
| 23:20 |
Megaf |
cache/buffer |
| 23:21 |
Megaf |
$ cat file |
| 23:21 |
Megaf |
1507850470 |
| 23:21 |
Megaf |
does this means anything? |
| 23:21 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel, and how do you know it takes 30ms? |
| 23:22 |
IhrFussel |
Do you mean this by cache? https://pastebin.com/jmwRCKLZ |
| 23:23 |
Megaf |
negative |
| 23:23 |
Megaf |
if you type free -m |
| 23:23 |
IhrFussel |
Or free -m ? Cached 804 MB right now |
| 23:23 |
Megaf |
that |
| 23:24 |
IhrFussel |
I used the time command for it |
| 23:24 |
Megaf |
not precise |
| 23:24 |
IhrFussel |
time echo $(date +%s) > file |
| 23:26 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel, apt install iozone3 |
| 23:30 |
IhrFussel |
Megaf, how to use it? xo |
| 23:30 |
Megaf |
I'm trying to figure out myself |
| 23:34 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel, better, apt install ioping |
| 23:35 |
IhrFussel |
Megaf, I'm trying the auto mode right now iozone -a |
| 23:36 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel, for latency is has to be ioping |
| 23:36 |
Megaf |
iozone shows operations/second |
| 23:36 |
Megaf |
ioping result here |
| 23:36 |
Megaf |
9 requests completed in 172.2 us, 36 KiB read, 52.3 k iops, 204.1 MiB/s |
| 23:36 |
Megaf |
generated 10 requests in 9.00 s, 40 KiB, 1 iops, 4.44 KiB/s |
| 23:36 |
Megaf |
min/avg/max/mdev = 18.7 us / 19.1 us / 19.5 us / 230 ns |
| 23:37 |
Megaf |
Calinou, you can't beat me this time |
| 23:37 |
Megaf |
even with your ultra fast SSD setupt |
| 23:37 |
Megaf |
setup* |
| 23:38 |
Megaf |
ioping -c 10 . |
| 23:38 |
IhrFussel |
Which option do I use? |
| 23:38 |
Fixer |
mmmm, NFS3... |
| 23:38 |
Megaf |
or ioping -c 10 /directory/to/test |
| 23:39 |
IhrFussel |
10 requests completed in 9.33 s, 30 iops, 122.0 KiB/s |
| 23:39 |
IhrFussel |
min/avg/max/mdev = 9.24 ms / 32.8 ms / 63.9 ms / 17.0 ms |
| 23:39 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel, nothing bad there |
| 23:39 |
Megaf |
[23:43:00] <Calinou> an HDD's access time is 15-30 ms |
| 23:40 |
IhrFussel |
But I want to know why it sometimes takes 5 ms to write to file and the next moment 30 ... that's a huge gap and causes quite a few lags on my MT server |
| 23:40 |
Megaf |
--- . (xfs /dev/sda2) ioping statistics --- |
| 23:40 |
Megaf |
9 requests completed in 22.9 ms, 36 KiB read, 392 iops, 1.53 MiB/s |
| 23:40 |
Megaf |
generated 10 requests in 9.00 s, 40 KiB, 1 iops, 4.44 KiB/s |
| 23:40 |
Megaf |
min/avg/max/mdev = 2.39 ms / 2.55 ms / 2.63 ms / 64.2 us |
| 23:40 |
rubenwardy |
that's how file writing works |
| 23:40 |
Megaf |
my SSD, |
| 23:40 |
rubenwardy |
if it were possible, you should write asynchronously |
| 23:41 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel, Minetest is not fast to begin with |
| 23:41 |
Megaf |
it's light, but not fast |
| 23:41 |
Megaf |
or is it fast but very heavy? |
| 23:41 |
Megaf |
hm |
| 23:43 |
IhrFussel |
But that doesn't explain why my local PC doesn't have these huge gaps...no matter how often I echo to a file I always see 2ms |
| 23:44 |
Fixer |
it is amazing that 20 years old 3d racing game can run on win7* / with some patching |
| 23:44 |
Megaf |
more/faster RAM? |
| 23:45 |
IhrFussel |
Writing speed depends on RAM? my dedi has 4 GB, my PC 8 |
| 23:46 |
Megaf |
on cache |
| 23:46 |
Megaf |
almost never a file is writen to the disk |
| 23:46 |
Megaf |
at the same time you request that is |
| 23:48 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel, but the guys at ##Linux might be able to help ya better |
| 23:50 |
IhrFussel |
Megaf, well I'll go to bed now and check more options tomorrow..see ya =) |
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