IRC log for #minetest-hub, 2017-05-22

Time	Nick	Message
00:02	Fixer	gn
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02:07	benrob0329	hello
03:49	octacian	What's with not being able to revoke privileges like interact from singleplayer!?
04:01	benrob0329	octacian: its called a stupid decition no one wants to change
04:02	benrob0329	because "you could screw up your singleplayer account"
04:02	benrob0329	and "if your using privs for anything other than admining your wrong"
04:42	Zeno`	huh?
04:42	Zeno`	you can revoke privs from singleplayer
04:51	benrob0329	try it
04:54	Zeno`	oh, interact specifically
04:54	Zeno`	and shout
04:54	Zeno`	yeah that's right. But other privs you can revoke (like fly)
04:55	benrob0329	But that doesn't always work
04:55	benrob0329	And for eg you can revoke your own privs if your the server admin
04:55	benrob0329	*cant
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06:14	red-001	(offtopic) https://qntm.org/files/hatetris/hatetris.html
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07:45	tenplus1	hi folks
07:49	shivajiva	morning tenplus1
07:49	tenplus1	hi shiva :P
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08:34	tenplus1	hi nrz
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09:03	tenplus1	hi lumidify
09:04	lumidify	Hi tenplus1
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10:05	tenplus1	hi fixer
10:06	Fixer	hi
10:27	Calinou	hi
10:28	tenplus1	hi Cal
10:32	Calinou	hmm, GitHub just added https://github.com/marketplace
10:33	Calinou	it's in the top bar when logged in
10:34	nerzhul	they need to make money as it seems :)
10:34	nerzhul	i don't like to have free apps which require to order 0$, maybe at a point they need more
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10:39	tenplus1	hi Zeno
10:39	Shara	Hello all
10:39	tenplus1	hi shara
10:50	Fixer	very hip
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11:49	tenplus1	hi Jordach
11:49	Jordach	meow
11:52	Jordach	hai Fuchs
11:53	Jordach	steam has all these wonderful games i have 0 interest in
11:54	* Jordach	goes back to playing MMOs
11:54	tenplus1	hi Vanessa
11:58	VanessaE	[off[ heh
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12:41	tenplus1	bbl
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12:49	Dargod	Hi VanessaE :/
12:49	VanessaE	hi
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13:11	Dargod	I think I must put my bouncer here
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13:24	Zeno`	oh come ON
13:24	Zeno`	this is going too far
13:25	Zeno`	this is a targeted campaign
13:26	Zeno`	celeron55, do something to mitigate it at least. Get rid of #minetest-project
13:26	VanessaE	he's afk
13:26	VanessaE	also you know what? fuck using 'off
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13:26	VanessaE	... [off]
13:28	Zeno`	and tbh I don't care
13:28	Zeno`	I want it logged
13:28	nerzhul	Zeno`, please find memleaks instead of complaining haha
13:29	Zeno`	at least two of those email addresses are NOT public knowledge
13:29	Zeno`	I'm sick of his campaign of terror and FUD
13:30	Zeno`	I've basically stayed out of it until the last few days, but I want it stopped
13:30	VanessaE	as do I, Zeno`
13:31	VanessaE	I'm sick of this shit
13:31	VanessaE	"The Minetest core devs have escalated things yet again.
13:31	VanessaE	After the next step, they'll be out of options. They'll be playing in my ballpark."
13:31	Zeno`	He publicly threatened me in another channel today, so I can't wait to see what becomes of that
13:32	Zeno`	VE, op me :P
13:32	Zeno`	or I'll disclose your real name
13:32	* CWz	uses apples to keep Zeno` at bay
13:33	Zeno`	no no no. not apples!
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13:33	Zeno`	btw, does everyone know that CWz's real name is ChaosWormz?
13:33	VanessaE	(as if I give a shit about you saying my real name ;) )
13:33	* CWz	flinches like an apple
13:34	CWz	Zeno's true name is, Jack andabeenstalk
13:34	Zeno`	so you should, ChaosWormz
13:35	Zeno`	ok, that's going too far
13:35	CWz	My real name is Hugh Mungus
13:35	CWz	eh nah
13:36	CWz	I am too young to a Hugh
13:41	Zeno`	you know that he leaked his next dox right?
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13:41	Zeno`	he's doxxing me this time: https://pastebin.com/qR5fhKvA
13:41	Zeno`	it is illegal
13:41	VanessaE	it IS illegal
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13:42	VanessaE	but is it illegal if the personal details were already published? i.e. minetest credits
13:43	Zeno`	I don't think my love of ABBA is in the minetest credits
13:43	Zeno`	I could add it I suppose
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13:49	Zeno`	#5800
13:49	Zeno`	oops
13:49	Zeno`	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5800
13:50	Amaz	xD
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13:51	VanessaE	haha
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13:54	nerzhul	review done Zeno` no
13:55	VanessaE	nerzhul: wat? what's wrong with ABBA? :)
13:55	Shara	Seems like a totally valid PR to me :)
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13:57	Zeno`	yeah it's a good PR!
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13:58	VanessaE	:+1:
14:13	benrob0329	Hello all
14:16	VanessaE	hey ben.
14:17	benrob0329	what's up VanessaE?
14:17	VanessaE	nada
14:18	VanessaE	just more of the usual
14:20	benrob0329	UNHOLY SHIT
14:20	benrob0329	https://fossbytes.com/microsoft-open-source-company-windows-office-free/
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14:21	Jordach	WHAT THE FUCK
14:21	Jordach	wait
14:21	Jordach	April 1, 2017
14:21	Jordach	nice meme
14:21	benrob0329	Oh
14:21	benrob0329	Just saw that
14:21	benrob0329	Heh
14:21	VanessaE	hah!
14:21	benrob0329	Son of a...
14:21	benrob0329	Microsofy
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14:23	DS-minetest	the maker of this image wasn't strong enough to take away that stripe in the middle. nobody can ever be so strong
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14:26	nerzhul	i'm pretty sure sofart is Zeno`
14:26	nerzhul	or maybe kilbith
14:28	paramat	i doubt it's either https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5800#issuecomment-303109473
14:28	paramat	^ sofar
14:29	Shara	Whoever it is, it was made back in January, so not specifically for this
14:30	paramat	joined Jan 26
14:30	Zeno`	umm I am not sofart
14:31	paramat	yeah it's not like you to do that
14:31	VanessaE	wtf
14:31	VanessaE	that IS sofar's pic though.....photoshopped
14:31	nerzhul	Zeno`, maybe just fart and no so
14:32	VanessaE	dollars to donuts oldcoder did that
14:34	Shara	Whoever did it was quick to jump in there, so was actively watching here or -dev
14:34	Jordach	whos the matrix user then as Guest226147[m]
14:34	Shara	What I've been wondering
14:35		Guest226147[m] was kicked by VanessaE: Guest226147[m]
14:35	VanessaE	let's find out :P
14:36	CWz	Ugh why did VanessaE soccerball them
14:36	VanessaE	whoever it is has been in here under that nick long enough for their join or nick change to have left my scrollback
14:36	VanessaE	(which goes back almost 2 months)
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14:38	VanessaE	whoever it is, they're welcome to re-join once they're no longer idle :P
14:39	Shara	I have that that's what they joined as in my log
14:39	VanessaE	odd.
14:40	Shara	Hmm
14:40	Shara	Wayward_One: can you also please confirm if wayward1 is also you?
14:44	benrob0329	I get a feeling its not...
14:44	benrob0329	Also that Guest account was someone who wasn't logged in
14:45	benrob0329	Nope nvm, its him
14:45	Shara	?
14:45	benrob0329	he's in the Minetest matrix room under that name
14:46	benrob0329	Watward1
14:46	benrob0329	*wayward1
14:46	Shara	Would still be nice to get confirmation from him directly.
14:46	benrob0329	Yes, but no need to kick him
14:47	VanessaE	benrob0329: it was just a temp kick to wake him up :)
14:48	benrob0329	As for the guest...who knows
15:20	nerzhul	red-001, your commits on the interface are painful in terms of translations heh
15:20	Zeno`	fuck this [off]
15:20	nerzhul	you added many things to translate before release, hurry up guys go to weblate to help us translate before release, 200 frenchs strings to review (i did 80)
15:21	Zeno`	oldcoder, email me
15:21	VanessaE	dollars to donuts, he'd have emailed you anyway, Zeno` :P
15:21	VanessaE	supposedly he is watching the chat through some bot in here, so [off] is useless anyway
15:21	Zeno`	I really hope he does email me
15:22	sfan5	why don't you email him
15:22	VanessaE	legally he shouldn't.
15:22	VanessaE	if anyone initiates contact it has to be oldcoder
15:23	Calinou	nerzhul: thanks for the reminder, I'll check
15:23	VanessaE	otherwise OC could try to pin Zeno for harassment or something
15:23	nerzhul	VanessaE, wrong, spammers sent me mails i don't contact them :)
15:24	VanessaE	nerzhul: well idk how it works where you are, or where Zeno is, but here anyway, it would matter
15:26	red-001	well halt/whatever_thier_other_nick_is isn't here
15:27	VanessaE	granolf or something like that
15:27	red-001	yeah
15:27	red-001	they are the same person afaik
15:27	VanessaE	Grandolf*
15:28	VanessaE	probably so, and one of the two is constantly fucking up his nickserv login on inchra also :P
15:28	red-001	not sure what this guy's issue with me is
15:28	red-001	maybe I was too good at calling him out on his BS
15:28	nerzhul	red-001, i just think he doesn't like your color
15:28	red-001	I don't like my colour even
15:29	red-001	I prefer blue
15:29	red-001	not sure why I pick this one
15:29	nerzhul	blue-001
15:30	blue-001	huh thats nicer
15:30	VanessaE	besides, shouldn't it have been red-100 anyway? :)
15:30	blue-001	but hexchat still highlights me with red
15:30	VanessaE	(or green-010 :) )
15:30	blue-001	VanessaE, lol
15:30	VanessaE	actually on my screen, now you're a dark purple :)
15:31	Shara	Looks lilac here
15:31	blue-001	I didn't think I would see a joke about colour encoding
15:31	benrob0329	Light purple
15:31	Calinou	red-001 is red-magenta-ish here, and blue-001 is blue-lavender
15:31	Calinou	I am always black, benrob0329 is a slightly dark red, VanessaE is a purple a bit less blue than blue-001, nerzhul is bright green
15:31	Calinou	(a /me is always intense blue)
15:31	VanessaE	on my screen, you're green, Calinou
15:32	Calinou	:)
15:32	VanessaE	benrob0329: is red
15:32	Calinou	I use Quassel with nick colors enabled, and default theme
15:32	blue-001	werid I can't find a way to change my colour in hexchat
15:32	VanessaE	blue-001 was red before, now he's purple
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15:32	VanessaE	^^^ who is this?
15:32	Jordach	new person, who dis
15:32	Shara	Other me.
15:32	blue-001	dunno
15:32	VanessaE	ok
15:32	Calinou	smurfing, now on IRC ;)
15:33	Shara	Checking what colour my name would be from my own client :)
15:33	Calinou	heh, you got a 2nd NickServ account
15:33	VanessaE	one of these days I need to come up with a unique, descriptive nick
15:33	Shara	Since own name is always blue, I can't tell
15:33	Calinou	(I think freenode allows this, as long as you don't use it to evade bans, I guess)
15:33	Calinou	eg. for your bot
15:33	VanessaE	you're dark green, Shara. "Taya" is... um... well you have to say something first :P
15:33	Shara	It's because I was known by that name on another project, and switching names has proved very hard
15:33	Taya	Something
15:33	blue-001	I once ban evaded by using my real ip, that was one confusing afternoon
15:33	Calinou	VanessaE: how about xXMeseMinerXx?
15:34	VanessaE	dim yellow, almost light brown
15:34	Calinou	:P
15:34	VanessaE	Calinou: um, no
15:34	blue-001	(got k-lined for switching my nick too much)
15:34	Calinou	heh, I got banned from #httpd because my bouncer kept timing out, but I was eventually unbanned
15:35	nerzhul	in my hexchat everybody is blue except quoting me green :p
15:35	Shara	Shara is a sort of mint green, and Taya yellow-green for me
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15:35	blue-001	yeah I was trying to convince freenode ops to un-kline me, then I had to get my bnc provider to unblock my account
15:36	benrob0329	Calinou and VanessaE are a light blue
15:36	benrob0329	blue-001: is a light purple
15:36	benrob0329	nerzhul: is a dark red
15:37	benrob0329	Shara is a light green, and Tay
15:37	benrob0329	Taya was a dark purple
15:37	VanessaE	mmmh
15:41	Fixer	sofart is systemd hater?
15:41	blue-001	with the*
15:43	* Jordach	is thinking
15:44	blue-001	alright reported
15:58	Jordach	also contains RBA's missing logs
15:58	Jordach	i bundled the tool with it as it's useless without it
15:59	* Jordach	is beginning to suspect another mental illness right about now
16:04	Jordach	ding
16:04	blue-001	ty
16:08	* Shara	suddenly realises just how many TPS servers there now are
16:09	Shara	Hmm, ten servers now
16:09	Shara	No wonder I go slightly mad any time I try to admin there.
16:12	Calinou	back
16:12	Calinou	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/6cmjeg/your_opinions_on_the_future_of_ubuntu_as_a/dhvrx0y/
16:12	Calinou	the truth has been told :)
16:12	Fixer	Calinou: IPO and death of ubuntu
16:17	benrob0329	Calinou: ubuntu is crusty stable
16:17	Calinou	Debian exists in three flavours: rusty, stale and broken
16:17	benrob0329	lol
16:18	benrob0329	Ubuntu exists in one flavor, rusty with loose bolts
16:18	blue-001	I hope they add the much need Debian Mouldy soon
16:18	benrob0329	lol
16:18	blue-001	truly an oversight that there is no such option
16:18	Fixer	is this actually possible? https://i.imgur.com/aLrhouR.png
16:19	benrob0329	Arch comes in one flavor as well: high maintenance
16:19	benrob0329	Fixer: as a glasses wearer, you'd need a very fat head
16:20	blue-001	benrob0329, I though it was PTSD triggerd by the words "sudo pacman -Syu"
16:20	Fixer	benrob0329: in fairness, he probably is only fat in his entire country
16:20	benrob0329	blue-001: omw
16:21	benrob0329	Fixer: lol
16:22	Fixer	he is probably the only fat person in entire country*
16:22	Fixer	much better wording
16:23	Fixer	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DASiMQrW0AEqdah.jpg:large
16:24	benrob0329	WTF
16:25	benrob0329	Gentoo has 2 flavors, fresh and potentially broken af
16:25	Fixer	relevant from cybereveryword: ï¼£ï¼¹ï¼¢ï¼¥ï¼²ï¼¢ï¼¡ï¼´ï¼´ï¼¬ï¼©ï¼®ï¼§
16:26	garywhite	What the heck is that Fixer?
16:26	Fixer	garywhite: what exactly?
16:26	garywhite	That picture posted 3 mins ago
16:27	Fixer	garywhite: statue of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin via FaceApp retrieved from twitter
16:29	garywhite	o...k...
16:30	Fixer	amazing https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_pacHoXoAACP9L.jpg:large
16:31	Calinou	now make Doomguy with this
16:33	Fixer	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_mtxKOUAAAIBfH.jpg:large
16:33	Fixer	close enough
16:34	Fixer	Calinou: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-US0G9XcAI65HR.jpg
16:41	Fixer	Calinou: happy?
16:41	Fixer	Calinou: don't see any confirmation...
16:42	Calinou	lol
16:42	Calinou	I was away, but nice
16:42	Calinou	and weird :P
16:44	VanessaE	<offtopic> G*d in heaven please give me a break from this weather. 88% humidity, 21C feels like almost 26 :( my ass is gonna have moss and/or mushrooms growing off of it by morning
16:44	VanessaE	</offtopic>
16:45	Fixer	#4 is my favourite
16:48	Calinou	https://dev.etlegacy.com/issues/1036
16:48	Calinou	I wasâ€¦Â TRIGGERED
16:48	Calinou	:/
16:48	Calinou	seriously, I can't stand people like these
16:48	Calinou	(see Spyhawk's answer)
16:48	Calinou	which is plain BS, because there are AAA games today (Overwatch, GTA V) shipping with undersampling
16:50	Fixer	Calinou: i've discovered undersampling just recently, and I'm playing since 199X
16:53	VanessaE	Fixer: what message, the one I just wrote about humidity? heh
16:57	Sokomine	VanessaE: you're half the world away...but we had that weather some days ago. dressed, walked around a short time - had to change. it was that bad one day
16:57	VanessaE	it's been like this for a week now
16:57	VanessaE	reaching real temps in the 27C range, which for us is hot as hell
16:58	Sokomine	hm, 27 degree would be warm but perhaps still bearable. we have nice 23 degree right now (evening, sunny day)
16:59	VanessaE	27C + 80 percent humidity is ... not :P
16:59	VanessaE	we should move to arizona.. 30C is common there, but it's a dry heat. :)
16:59	VanessaE	(then again, so's my oven, I wouldn't sit /there/ )
17:00	Sokomine	that is definitely not nice. it's usually relatively pleasant weather in hot summer here. indoors below the roof is not so nice and we tend to complain if it gets too hot, but usually the humidity is about right. it just wasn't a few days ago. very...hard to bear weather
17:00	Sokomine	:-)
17:00	Sokomine	too bad we aren't all like sam. he can even swim in lava with the right armor
17:02	Sokomine	(repeat from -dev, regarding mines): http://www.picpaste.com/pics/screenshot_20170522_180115-ckt0hnaZ.1495469537.png does not look well. that is what is to be avoided when having tunnels on the surface
17:02	Sokomine	(repeat from dev) tunnels i'm satisfied with: http://www.picpaste.com/tunnel1-XxwTPA9Q.jpg http://www.picpaste.com/pics/tunnel2-FZfU8HcL.1495469757.jpg full tunnel network: http://www.picpaste.com/pics/tunnel3-Ec7aSuJn.1495469782.jpg or another nice tunnel: http://www.picpaste.com/pics/tunnel4-VjdBIg8b.1495469817.jpg
17:02	Sokomine	(just regarding mines generated by mods)
17:05	VanessaE	that's a lot of tunnels..
17:06	Calinou	Fixer: undersampling was not really needed until 3-4 years ago
17:06	Calinou	hiDPI was hardly a thing back then
17:06	Calinou	but now, nobody saw it coming and lots of games lack it :(
17:06	Calinou	(typical game developer, I guess)
17:06	Calinou	the same happened for widescreen :)
17:08	Fixer	Calinou: i simply do not see hipdi around, only 1366768, good luck even finding 19201080 with reasonable specs <1000 usd
17:08	Fixer	1366*768 = shit
17:09	Calinou	it's only getting more common
17:09	VanessaE	even my monitors are probably considered "high" DPI (even though they aren't), just because of resolution
17:09	VanessaE	(1600x1200, ~52cm diagonal)
17:09	Calinou	yeah, usually 4K is always considered hiDPI because it basically can never be used without scaling
17:09	Calinou	even on 32"
17:10	* benrob0329	has a FHD laptop :PP
17:11	Calinou	1440p desktop, 2160p laptop here
17:11	Calinou	so my desktop monitor is worse :P
17:11	Calinou	both resolution and DPI
17:11	benrob0329	Heh
17:11	Calinou	32" 1440p has an use, it can be used without scaling
17:11	Calinou	but still, it's not pleasant in old games without HUD scaling
17:11	benrob0329	I'm planning on getting an ultrawide eventually
17:11	Calinou	the chat is lost in the top-left corner of most (if not all) id Tech 3-based games
17:12	Calinou	GoldSrc games have a HUD so tiny it's not even funny
17:12	VanessaE	I stopped using the undersampling in MT, turns out not to be useful when not using real fullscreen
17:12	Calinou	21:9 is nice but I don't get the appeal much
17:12	VanessaE	(because it still soft-scales the window up)
17:12	Calinou	large 16:9 displays (> 28") are better IMO
17:12	Calinou	you don't get black bars in videos, and old-ish games can manage it
17:12	Calinou	(many games lock the horizontal FOV to 110 and don't compensate it for widescreen; in this case, you are fine with 16:9 or 16:10, not with 21:9)
17:12	VanessaE	5:4 or 4:3 or gtfo :)
17:13	benrob0329	Calinou: you get more screen space without needing the vertical hight
17:13	VanessaE	wide screen monitors are blasphemous :P
17:13	Calinou	well, there is an use to vertical height
17:13	Calinou	with 32", 16:9 is all you need really
17:13	Calinou	16:10 would be worse because it wouldn't really "fit" your vision
17:13	benrob0329	VanessaE: try video editing or 3D modeling on a 4:3 screen
17:13	VanessaE	been there, done that many times
17:14	VanessaE	I have a whole library of self-made models :)
17:14	VanessaE	BUT, I have three 1600x1200 panels
17:14	VanessaE	so it's not like I'm starved for screen space :)
17:14	benrob0329	busted!
17:14	Sokomine	VanessaE: good resolution. hard to get a monitor with 1200 height instead of 1080 or so
17:14	VanessaE	Sokomine: Dell 2001FP, bought used on Ebay for like $80 USD or so.
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17:15	Sokomine	tunnels are important :-) there need to be even more :-)
17:15	VanessaE	benrob0329: busted, nuthin' :)
17:15	Sokomine	(and then we'll find bones of other players there who got lost in the tunnels...)
17:15	Krock	was prepared to greet 10+1 but NO, HE'S NOT HERE
17:15	benrob0329	I like the extra space thank you very much :-)
17:15	Krock	o/ benrob0329, VanessaE, Sokomine
17:15	VanessaE	gretz, Krock
17:15	benrob0329	Hi Krock
17:15	VanessaE	[05-22 08:41] <tenplus1> bbl
17:15	VanessaE	[05-22 08:42] * tenplus1 (~johncpc95350-uddi26-2-0-cust73.20-3.cable.virginm.net) has left #minetest-hub
17:15	VanessaE	(that's about 4 1/2 hours ago)
17:16	benrob0329	A 4:3 monitor would be a huge pain for my workflow
17:16	* Sokomine	secretly picks up one of vanessaes screens and runs away with it :-)
17:16	VanessaE	Abe has two more. can you tell we pounce on a good deal when we see it? :)
17:17	Sokomine	obviously :-)
17:17	VanessaE	they're not the best tech out there though
17:17	Sokomine	might not matter much
17:17	VanessaE	they have LCD persistence issues
17:18	VanessaE	probably because they're active-matrix TFT
17:18	Sokomine	i don't think they're that diffrent. i'm satisified with mine because it has a sesnor for brightness and gets darker when it gets darker which is quite practical. also has a very solid foot/mounting
17:19	benrob0329	I should buy a bigger monitor..
17:19	Krock	14:09 Sokomine what is abba?
17:20	Krock	You're kidding, right?
17:20	benrob0329	The one I have now is nice, but its a bit far away with my new desk and it doesn't have the size for me to turn up the dpi
17:22	Sokomine	krock: er, no?
17:23	Krock	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92cwKCU8Z5c
17:23	Sokomine	hm, what does the video show?
17:23	benrob0329	A Rick Roll :-P (jk)
17:24	Krock	!title
17:24	ShadowBot	Krock: Error: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 4KB.
17:24	Krock	"Abba - The Winner Takes It All", a music cideo
17:24	Krock	*video
17:25	Krock	I can play the melody and some sentences in my head without clicking this one
17:25	Krock	a very known band from the 80s
17:25	blue-001	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6120QOlsfU
17:25	Krock	blue-001, that's not a band.
17:25	Krock	this is better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNr6Yi_D4HE
17:26	blue-001	was expecting rick rolling
17:26	blue-001	was disapointed
17:26	Krock	you'll get it when you don't expect rick
17:27	rubenwardy	lol
17:28	rubenwardy	doesn't that picture of me look good?
17:28	blue-001	brb having an epileptic seizure
17:28	Calinou	Never gonna mine you up
17:28	Calinou	Never gonna test you down
17:29	VanessaE	never gonna mese around
17:29	Sokomine	ah. i remember having heared about such a band. i just don't care about music
17:29	VanessaE	or deh-sert you
17:30	Krock	never gonna make you grief
17:30	* benrob0329	join blue-001
17:30	Krock	never gonna say f*** you, never gonna tell an admin or ban you
17:30	Sokomine	krock: ok. important sentence regarding mt :-) nobody wants griefers after all (though that might have been usage in the original sense)
17:31	benrob0329	Top kek: https://youtu.be/Gc2u6AFImn8
17:31	Krock	hehe.
17:31	Krock	benrob0329, already know that. It's a good one
17:32	Krock	sadly a bit short
17:32	benrob0329	Krock: its funny that it actually works though
17:32	Krock	benrob0329, there's also a Darude Astley song
17:33	benrob0329	Ah yes, now for the classic: https://youtu.be/ZZ5LpwO-An4
17:33	paramat	i like the tunnel network screenshot. however, rather busy at the moment, maybe after release i can think more about mine mods
17:34	blue-001	oh neat sofart got removed by github support
17:34	blue-001	the account Fixer whos comment fixer pasted
17:34	blue-001	whoes*
17:35	blue-001	whose*
17:35	Krock	hmm? what was the comment about?
17:36	blue-001	Krock, just a normal comment but the users avatar was sofars picture photoshoped to have a hitler mustash and a ss hat
17:36	blue-001	mustache*
17:36	blue-001	reported them for nazi symbolism
17:37	paramat	good
17:37	Sokomine	paramat: no need to hurry. it's been lying around on my disk (and in an older version on github) for quite a while now. there are many other mods that add similar tunnels (minus the shafts) that do not bother about connecting to the surface
17:37	Jordach	ä¹‡ä¹‚ã„’å°ºå‚ ã„’å„ä¸¨åŒšåŒšï»¿
17:37	blue-001	oh lol the image is still on github servers
17:38	Sokomine	blue-001: ah. good that it got removed then
17:38	Jordach	http://i.imgur.com/hEFWCh0.jpg
17:38	Sokomine	Jordach: hi. and what does that mean? :-)
17:38	paramat	Sokomine does your mod run in 'on generate' or spread by ABM outwards from the shaft?
17:39	Jordach	http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/232/046/190.gif
17:39	Sokomine	paramat: on generate. but the placement of the mines (where shall the main shaft be?) is currently hardcoded
17:40	paramat	ahh
17:40	Sokomine	the rest (depth, placement of tunnels) is random and in part depends on the terrain. all works through voxelmanip
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17:41	Sokomine	Jordach: the kitten is nice. the other picture is of no intrest
17:42	paramat	yeah this will be a challenge, it has to be generated in 'on generated' and predefined per mapchunk somehow
17:43	blue-001	my bad it's an luftwaffe officer cap
17:47	Sokomine	paramat: my attempts in that direction wheren't too successful yet. i don't like underground structures that are not connected to anything else. and connecting them at the surface is tricky and not always convincing
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18:19	Shara	Grandolf and halt_: any particular reason you are joining this channel, and yet never ask for voice?
18:20	Krock	hint: They can't answer you in this channel
18:20	Shara	They can PM
18:20	Krock	indeed
18:20	Shara	Or speak to me on one of many other channels I'm in which they are always joining (and also never contributing in)
18:20	blue-001	they joined all the minetest related chanels on freenode
18:21	blue-001	I guess it's some sort of logger
18:21	shivajiva	given the current situation I see no reason to entertain loggers
18:21	blue-001	with a human in/on the loop
18:22	Shara	Most of their comments elsewhere have been pretty suspiscious, so if they neither message me, nor anyone protests in the next while, I'll kick them.
18:22	Shara	They can always PM at another time.
18:22	blue-001	they seem very much like a basic logger that pretends to be a user
18:22	shivajiva	they are welcome to read the logs the same way as everyone else :)
18:23	benrob0329	Grandolf: has spoken with me in the past
18:24	shivajiva	I've spoken to both Grandolf and halt_ previously
18:24	Shara	Me too
18:24	Shara	"Most of their comments elsewhere have been pretty suspiscious"
18:24	Shara	(yay quoting my own typos :) )
18:24	shivajiva	LOL
18:24	paramat	i've seen occasional messages from grandolf and halt on -project, talking to OC (not that that is necessarily a bad thing)
18:24	benrob0329	Meh, seemed pretty normal to me
18:25	benrob0329	Grandolf is doing the knockback pr, no?
18:25	benrob0329	Or was that someone else with a wizard name
18:25	Shara	That was Dumbeldor I think
18:26	blue-001	gandalf iirc
18:26	rubenwardy	both were players on my CTF server
18:26	celeron55	just quit talking about OC, it's such a massive waste of time
18:26	Dumbeldor	Knockback ? It's me yeah
18:26	celeron55	anything anyone says only fuels him
18:27	blue-001	Dumbeldor, lol sorry I confused you with the other famous wizard
18:27	Dumbeldor	xD
18:29	Dumbeldor	You wanted to aske me ?
18:29	Dumbeldor	ask *
18:33	shivajiva	I think benrob wasn't certain which wizard had done the knockback pr :)
18:33	garywhite	Wait, why is Grandolf & halt_ both on my channel?
18:35	Dumbeldor	Haha shivajiva, garywhite this is the channel of wizard :o
18:35	shivajiva	they are everywhere when you look garywhite
18:35	Shara	I've also messaged them elsewhere, in a channel where they can reply withotu PMing, and no response.
18:35	Shara	without*
18:36	garywhite	Yeah, but look at his channel list. What do they all have in common?
18:36	garywhite	I'm in all of those channels
18:37	Shara	You probably only see the ones you're also in.
18:37	blue-001	^
18:37	blue-001	thats how freenode work
18:37	shivajiva	^
18:38	blue-001	I used to be in basicly all the public minetest channels at one point and they where everywhere
18:39	blue-001	they in this case can be seen as both singular and plural
18:40	Shara	Oh well.
18:41	shivajiva	any response?
18:41	Shara	Grandolf / halt_: Feel free to PM one of the ops here about rejoining, but this is a channel for those who take part in discussion in some way. You are welcome to read the logs any time.
18:41		halt_ was kicked by Shara: halt_
18:41		Grandolf was kicked by Shara: Grandolf
18:41	Shara	None.
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18:45	blue-001	thats my alt bnc
18:45	blue-001	in case elite bnc goes down
18:46	rubenwardy	O_o
18:46	rubenwardy	does that happen?
18:46	rubenwardy	+often
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18:46	blue-001	happened a few times when there was a nasty netsplit
18:47	Calinou	when my VPS provider has an outage, I basically have no IRC
18:47	Calinou	I don't even have a backup client at hand
18:47	blue-001	or when they got ddos'ed
18:48	rubenwardy	I should probably install a bouncer on my VPS
18:48	rubenwardy	I like the idea of rubenwardyrubenwardy.com
18:48	blue-001	it's pretty rare but every so often they either lose connection or get attacked
18:49	Calinou	rubenwardy: be a hipster, hellorubenwardy.com
18:49	Calinou	:D
18:49	Calinou	I love those hipster sites with their hello@ emails
18:49	Calinou	because "contact" is so 2006
18:49	rubenwardy	lol
18:49	rubenwardy	need to setup email too
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18:50	Calinou	I use Gandi's email here
18:50	Calinou	not self-hosted
18:51	Calinou	less banning for spam going on, easier
18:51	garywhite	Shara: Look
18:51	Shara	Got a PM now :)
18:53	CWz	senses a spy
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18:59	blue-001	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi5pOo_Z2GM
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19:16	blue-001	honestly this isn't horriblie important
19:17	Shara	Nope, not even slightly.
19:17	blue-001	might as well
19:19	paramat	well halt has not done anything wrong
19:19	blue-001	I mean could some explain why they have the same ident?
19:19	Shara	They claim to be brothers.
19:21	benrob0329	brb i need to update stuff
19:26	ircSparky	I could get a holdof Grandolf/halt_ if you need
19:26	Shara	I'm talking to Grandolf currently.
19:26	ircSparky	ah, ok
19:26	ircSparky	nvm
19:29	ircSparky	Also I can vouch that they are two seperate people, unless one person is able to talk over themself on mumble
19:30	lisac	<blue-001> [off] Grandolf / halt are regular(s) on OC irc server so this isn't unexpected
19:39	VanessaE	<offtopic> /me gets a whiff of lavender or lilac through the open window (I can never remember which is which). oh that smells nice </offtopic>
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19:43	benrob0329	back
19:43	nore	hi benrob0329 :)
19:44	garywhite	:)
19:46	benrob0329	all nice and updated (as far as rusty old debian goes)
19:47	VanessaE	nonono it's not debian rusty. it's debian stale, old, and broken :)
19:47	benrob0329	heh, i could run somehting else on my pi
19:47	VanessaE	no wait, that's not right
19:47	VanessaE	stale, broken... what was the third one?
19:47	benrob0329	rusty, stale, and broken :-)
19:47	VanessaE	heh
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19:51	paramat	hm 'sofart' joined 26 Jan, a day after this PR by 'motherfscker' was rejected (rightly) by sofar due to author name http://irc.minetest.net/minetest-dev/2017-01-25#i_4795636
19:55	blue-001	paramat, you have an old copy of his user page or something?
19:56	VanessaE	heh, note the picture for 'motherfscker'
19:56	paramat	so that's my guess. no the date sofart joined is in IRC logs, i put it in a message luckily
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19:57	paramat	had an urge to look at IRC logs around that time .. tadaa! :]
19:58	blue-001	Joined GitHub on January 26, 2017
19:58	* blue-001	has a screenshot and a local copy of the html
19:59	garywhite	Apparently, everyone's convinced that Grandolf & halt_ are OC's spies
20:03	VanessaE	why don't we just remove the loggingbot?
20:03	VanessaE	half of this channel's chat is [off] anyway :P
20:04	benrob0329	technically we all have [off] logs anyways
20:05	VanessaE	exactly.
20:05	VanessaE	quit
20:05	VanessaE	hm, doesn't work like that.
20:05	VanessaE	sfan5: ^^^
20:06	sfan5	it's not useful not to have the loggingbot_ here
20:07	VanessaE	ok fair enough
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20:10	benrob0329	i want a script that automatically puts [off] on my messages after i run say... /off
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20:12	blue-001	test
20:12	blue-001	test
20:13	benrob0329	what client?
20:13	benrob0329	aw
20:14	blue-001	for anyone using hexchat "msg %c [off] &2"
20:15	benrob0329	Ill need to write a script
20:16	benrob0329	How hard could it be, riiiiight?
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20:44	* CWz	wonder if playername begining with . could be an issue
20:46	benrob0329	can we all agree that chat on top of sky is really hard to read?
20:47	Shara	Never had an issue
20:47	Shara	(sorry)
20:47	garywhite	I wonder if it would be possible to adapt chat color so that it's dark in the light so it's easier to read when you're in a lit area, & lighter color when you're in a darker area
20:47	Shara	Isn't there an option to change the background colour for the chat background area?
20:47	garywhite	But I've never really had an issue that was because of something in the game (screen brightness or glare from the window, yes, but not in-game issue)
20:48	Shara	Or well, how see-through or not it is
20:50	benrob0329	a drop shadow does wonders :-)
20:51	Shara	I think it would look wrong to have other than when you have chat open to use though
20:53	benrob0329	perhaps a setting?
20:54	benrob0329	it doesnt have to (and shouldnt) be a solid black
21:00	VanessaE	in the old days we would just XOR the text against the background
21:00	VanessaE	but that won't work here I guess
21:00	Calinou	can't we follow the lesson from memes?
21:01	VanessaE	?
21:01	Calinou	"white text on dark outline is readable on any background"
21:01	Calinou	;)
21:01	VanessaE	heh
21:01	nore	VanessaE: xoring is not very good if the background is 0x80, for instance I'd say
21:01	Calinou	I think doing that is alrightn, but at low sizes it looks bad
21:01	Calinou	it is viable mostly at higher sizes only
21:01	nore	^ yes
21:01	VanessaE	nore: well, I suppose not. :)
21:02	nore	Well white text on slightly darkened background is quite readable
21:03	nore	But many people won't like a semitransparent overlay
21:09	Shara	I wouldn't like it for the chat area I see when just walking around playing
21:09	Shara	On the other hand, if it was an option, no loss
21:10	benrob0329	im not saying an overlay
21:10	benrob0329	hold on
21:10	* benrob0329	makes example image
21:14	benrob0329	http://imgur.com/a/2ZJk8
21:15	Calinou	blurred drop shadows are expensive computationally
21:15	Calinou	it makes redrawing the font at a higher resolution much longer
21:15	Calinou	and your font library needs to support it
21:15	benrob0329	then have static drop shadows
21:16	benrob0329	aka semi transparent bits per charecter
21:16	benrob0329	possibly in font
21:16	benrob0329	(idk how hard that is)
21:18	benrob0329	MT uses freetype, right?
21:23	VanessaE	MT already supports drop shadows anyway
21:23	VanessaE	font_shadow = 2
21:23	VanessaE	font_shadow_alpha = 255
21:24	benrob0329	can we have a setting for just chat?
21:24	* VanessaE	shrugs
21:24	VanessaE	oh wait, I do that too much apparently :P
21:24	Calinou	it affects all the text
21:24	Calinou	Minetest uses the same font everywhere
21:24	Calinou	:(
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21:46	VanessaE	...
21:46	VanessaE	oops
21:52	VanessaE	:(
21:52	sfan5	wut
22:07	garywhite	rubenwardy can you please verify that you're active?
22:07	garywhite	he's not here
22:07	garywhite	oh wait, yeah he is
22:11	benrob0329	much [off]
22:12	VanessaE	many hidden
22:12	VanessaE	wow.
22:12	blue-001	lol
22:13	benrob0329	that was perfect :P
22:13	VanessaE	:D
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22:14	blue-001	hi rubenwardy
22:14	VanessaE	greetings, ruq
22:14	VanessaE	rubenwardy: *
22:15	* VanessaE	flips the "q" over and tries tab-complete again ;)
22:15	benrob0329	lol
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22:15	VanessaE	you see? THIS is my purpose here. wisecracks and trolling ;)
22:16	Shara	:)
22:23	Sokomine	:-)
22:24	blue-001	:-)
22:26	cheapie	=^.^= (or something)
22:26	twoelk	seems some trools are worth feeding
22:26	twoelk	-o+l
22:27	* Shara	offers VanessaE cookies then hides
22:28	VanessaE	yummerz ;)
22:29	* cheapie	grabs one of the cookies
22:29	* Shara	is saving the doughnuts!
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22:30	VanessaE	HEY!
22:30	VanessaE	you come back here with those!
22:30	VanessaE	:)
22:30	Shara	Apparently my server now has government buildings including an office for the National Doughnut Eaters party.
22:30	Shara	I love my players :)
22:31	VanessaE	haha
22:31	* Shara	sighs and offers up a single doughnut
22:32	VanessaE	what's this crap?
22:32	VanessaE	one lousy plain cake donut?
22:32	Shara	Hey! It has icing!
22:32	Shara	But if you don't want it...
22:32	* Sokomine	puts a deliscious cake on the channel
22:33	* VanessaE	rummages through the box... look at this... creme filled...jelly....glazed... sprinkles.... you even have an Ã©clair in here
22:33	garywhite	Eh
22:33	Shara	Nooo... not the Ã©clair!
22:33	Sokomine	ah, hm, you ought to offer something...better...than doghnuts. they don't taste that well. there's better stuff :-)
22:33	* garywhite	goes out to Safeway & buys a dozen donuts for $5
22:33	* Shara	always giggles at the german name for them in fact
22:33	garywhite	There, now everyone has donuts
22:34	* nore	gets hungry
22:34	Sokomine	do we have a name for them? i think they're imported form the usa and mostly named donuts as well
22:34	* cheapie	digs through one of the boxes and pulls out a random glazed donut
22:36	Shara	Sokomine: I really hope I'm spelling it right, but Krapfen?
22:36	* Sokomine	has placed a cake made out of lots of powder sugar mixed with the white of the egg, layered with butter cream (with more powder sugar) and topped with er whipped cream (?) with thin pieces of chocolate on top. hard to get more calories into one cake!
22:36	Sokomine	shara: ah. no, that's not the same thing
22:37	Shara	It's what they called most of what I call doughnuts though
22:37	Sokomine	they have some similarities, but krapfen do not have a hole in the middle
22:37	Shara	doughnuts here don't require a hole
22:37	Sokomine	they might indeed be related, now that you mention it...but they're usually only eaten at silvester
22:38	Shara	We had them often enough, but that was in Austria, not Germany
22:38	garywhite	What, you guys don't like the donuts I brought? Fine, here's some Krispy Kremes instead
22:38	Sokomine	oh? i thought doughnuts always came with a hole
22:38	Shara	Nope :)
22:38	Sokomine	what's krispy kremes?
22:38	Sokomine	ah :-) good to know
22:39	Sokomine	there are plenty of more deliscious cakes than doghnuts imho. lots of cakes and other stuff from the bakery :-) mjam getting hungry
22:40	Sokomine	last week i had a piece of frankfuhrter kranz. also high-calory, with butter cream and krokant
22:40	garywhite	krispy kreme is a chain of drive-thru donut shops in the US that are usually VERY sweet
22:41	Sokomine	ah, ok. much in the usa is very sweet. even the...er..the things hamburgers are put in
22:41	Sokomine	hm. frankfurter kranz is the same in english...
22:42	* benrob0329	leaves a bucket of homemade ice cream on the table
22:43	* Sokomine	thanks benrob0329 and takes a big sphere of the ice cream
23:31	Fixer	"Law enforcement officials reportedly say at least 20 dead and many injured following an incident at Manchester Arena"
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