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garywhite |
BREAKING NEWS: 19 DEAD IN EXPLOSIONS AT CONCERT IN THE UK |
| 00:29 |
VanessaE |
:( |
| 00:31 |
Calinou |
je suis explosion |
| 00:31 |
Calinou |
nous somme tous concert |
| 00:31 |
Calinou |
(sommes*) |
| 00:39 |
rubenwardy |
:'( |
| 00:39 |
garywhite |
they just said 19 on CBS Special Report |
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shivajiva |
BBC are reporting it as 19 |
| 00:44 |
shivajiva |
The cause of the blast is unknown but North West Counter Terrorism unit is treating it as a possible terrorist incident, sources have told the BBC. |
| 00:45 |
Calinou |
inb4 surveillance law |
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benrob0329 |
;-( |
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* Megaf |
sneaks in |
| 01:05 |
* Megaf |
waves |
| 01:10 |
benrob0329 |
Hi Megaf |
| 01:11 |
Megaf |
Hi there. Hows things? |
| 01:11 |
benrob0329 |
Good, you? |
| 01:20 |
Megaf |
Doing se |
| 01:20 |
Megaf |
Well |
| 01:21 |
Megaf |
I guess, finishing a book soon |
| 01:21 |
Megaf |
Little sad the book is coming to an end. I was quite enjoying reading it |
| 01:22 |
behalebabo |
an informed citizenry isn't great for profit margins. Corporations want to be accountable to stockholders, not an informed citizenry. |
| 01:22 |
behalebabo |
arg |
| 01:22 |
behalebabo |
sorry, pasted wrong |
| 01:24 |
Megaf |
No worries |
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LazyJ |
Any devs up and about at this hour? |
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LazyJ |
Minetest engine commit 39f4a2f - [CSM] Add send_chat_message and run_server_chatcommand API functions |
| 05:06 |
LazyJ |
I'm concerned by this commit. If the client is compiled *without* the rate limiter, not only is there the potetial for the CSM to be used to spam the chat, it could also be used to issue chat commands in an infinite loop causing the server to try to comply with each one or, with some commands, check to see if the privs allow it. How negatively would this impact the server? |
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| 05:20 |
blue-001 |
isn't the function rate limited already? |
| 05:21 |
LazyJ |
If that limit is only client side, then what is to prevent a hacked client being made with that limiter removed? |
| 05:21 |
blue-001 |
ofc |
| 05:21 |
blue-001 |
but it was just as easy to just add the function yourself |
| 05:22 |
nerzhul |
yes ofc, but it's better to have this limit in core than in Lua for regular clients |
| 05:22 |
nerzhul |
it was why i accepted the PR, without this limit it was not reasonable |
| 05:23 |
nerzhul |
a thing we will never allow is to control player via mods |
| 05:23 |
LazyJ |
So it is possible to create a hacked client that does *not* have this limit? |
| 05:23 |
nerzhul |
yes, but server has a limit too |
| 05:23 |
nerzhul |
both are identical |
| 05:23 |
nerzhul |
(by default) |
| 05:24 |
LazyJ |
So the server can refuse or ignore a barage of commands? |
| 05:24 |
nerzhul |
this limit client side prevent to send unneeded packets, server will drop if too many chat commands |
| 05:24 |
blue-001 |
since the server limit can be changed a way to transfer that information to the client should be added |
| 05:24 |
nerzhul |
blue-001, too late for this |
| 05:24 |
LazyJ |
How much will dealing with a barage affect the server? |
| 05:25 |
nerzhul |
red-001, can you open an issue for adding a sync on that limit ? |
| 05:25 |
red-001 |
sure |
| 05:26 |
nerzhul |
oh manchester killed :( |
| 05:26 |
LazyJ |
Yeah. Bad day. |
| 05:28 |
red-001 |
and it just started |
| 05:28 |
nerzhul |
yeah |
| 05:28 |
nerzhul |
red-001, in which country do you live ? |
| 05:29 |
red-001 |
as perviously stated Ireland |
| 05:29 |
nerzhul |
oh :) the paradise for gafa :p |
| 05:29 |
red-001 |
lol |
| 05:31 |
LazyJ |
Somewhere I have an old cassette tape of the Chieftains with special guest, Roger Daltry. |
| 05:32 |
LazyJ |
Didn't have such worldly worries as terrorism back then. |
| 05:33 |
LazyJ |
Well, not on the scale like what we have today. :| |
| 06:20 |
VanessaE |
morning all. |
| 06:20 |
nerzhul |
hi |
| 06:20 |
VanessaE |
hi |
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| 07:32 |
VanessaE |
it's all Zeno`'s fault anyway |
| 07:32 |
VanessaE |
oh hi Zeno` ;) |
| 07:32 |
Zeno` |
always my fault |
| 07:32 |
VanessaE |
well, we gotta blame *somebody* |
| 07:33 |
VanessaE |
(mind you, I never said what was your fault ;) ) |
| 07:49 |
Shara |
Morning all |
| 07:50 |
CWz |
hey VanessaE. Shara and Zeno` |
| 07:50 |
Zeno` |
hi CWz |
| 07:50 |
Zeno` |
hi Shara |
| 07:50 |
VanessaE |
hey CWz, Shara |
| 07:52 |
VanessaE |
[on] <--- because [off] is so...negative :) |
| 07:53 |
Shara |
Now I don't know if I should run screaming or smile! |
| 07:54 |
VanessaE |
haha |
| 07:54 |
VanessaE |
smile. you're on candid...logging bot. ;) |
| 07:55 |
Shara |
:D |
| 07:56 |
Shara |
That's not easy at this time of morning! |
| 07:57 |
VanessaE |
<insert reference to the WIle E. Coyote "smile... a little more..." scene from "Back in Action"> |
| 08:00 |
shivajiva |
Hi folks |
| 08:03 |
Shara |
Hi shivajiva |
| 08:03 |
VanessaE |
hi |
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| 08:07 |
Shara |
Hi nerzhul |
| 08:07 |
nerzhul |
hi Shara |
| 08:22 |
Amaz |
Hi all :) |
| 08:22 |
Shara |
Hi Amaz :) |
| 08:24 |
shivajiva |
Hello Amaz |
| 08:25 |
Calinou |
hi Amaz |
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| 10:56 |
Fixer |
"net neutrility no more in USA" |
| 10:56 |
Fixer |
what a "great" time to live |
| 11:00 |
sfan5 |
america has been made great again as you can see |
| 11:06 |
shivajiva |
Branson has been trying to do this for years in the UK, no doubt we will follow suit |
| 11:08 |
shivajiva |
freedom is an illusion just like fairness, I hope they choke on their profits |
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| 12:41 |
sfan5 |
good morning |
| 12:42 |
Zeno` |
guten morgen |
| 12:45 |
Zeno` |
oh wait |
| 12:45 |
Zeno` |
you're right |
| 12:45 |
Zeno` |
my bad |
| 12:46 |
sfan5 |
Di 23. Mai 14:46:41 CEST 2017 |
| 12:47 |
sfan5 |
can't get something wrong when you paste the time from /usr/bin/date |
| 13:00 |
Sokomine |
14:42 <+Zeno`> [off] it is kind of... probabt 2:42AM :-) |
| 13:00 |
Zeno` |
yeah yeah I added wrong hehehe |
| 13:01 |
Zeno` |
anyway it's not. It's 3PM |
| 13:01 |
Fuchs |
and one minute. |
| 13:01 |
Zeno` |
oh yeah |
| 13:02 |
Fuchs |
can't forget these minutes. |
| 13:02 |
* Fuchs |
waves up to Germany |
| 13:02 |
Zeno` |
just a second while I think |
| 13:02 |
Zeno` |
maybe it's 3:02PM :p |
| 13:03 |
Fuchs |
we don't use PM here |
| 13:03 |
Zeno` |
stop picking on me! LOL |
| 13:03 |
Fuchs |
aw, sorry |
| 13:03 |
* Zeno` |
cries and then accepts Fuchs' apology |
| 13:04 |
CWz |
Zeno-sama! |
| 13:04 |
Zeno` |
Cwz-err-thingy! |
| 13:05 |
Zeno` |
Sokomine, I apologise again for moving your position in the credits |
| 13:05 |
Zeno` |
I seriously feel bad :/ |
| 13:05 |
Zeno` |
(even though it's not committed yet) |
| 13:06 |
Zeno` |
But I have to try and be fair even though it often makes me feel bad |
| 13:07 |
Zeno` |
Editing /that/ file is the worst file to edit in the project |
| 13:07 |
Zeno` |
In some ways I'd rather introduce a memory leak |
| 13:07 |
nore |
Hmm I'd say Sokomine is still active, even if she is not committing... |
| 13:08 |
Zeno` |
nore, I'm open to changing it back |
| 13:08 |
nore |
But yeah, credits are the worst to update, I agree |
| 13:08 |
nore |
hmm, I don't know what the other core devs and Sokomine herself think about it |
| 13:09 |
Zeno` |
I think Sokomine is ok with it |
| 13:09 |
Zeno` |
but, yeah, I will change it back if a majority of other devs want it changed back |
| 13:09 |
nore |
Sokomine: please provide input on what you would like best, and what *you* consider fair :) |
| 13:10 |
Zeno` |
personally I don't care who is listed. I just looked at the logs :) |
| 13:11 |
Sokomine |
pm...what a strange construct. we do have digital clocks now :-) |
| 13:11 |
nore |
Yeah, pm is strange |
| 13:11 |
Zeno` |
CWz he has doxed me? |
| 13:11 |
Sokomine |
Zeno`: er. that's no problem. i really didn't contribute much. no need for you to worry! |
| 13:12 |
* nore |
will be happy to come back to France where there is no am/pm |
| 13:12 |
Zeno` |
nore ^... your call |
| 13:12 |
* Sokomine |
nods to nore |
| 13:12 |
nore |
Sokomine: well if you consider that is fair, then I don't have anything to say :p |
| 13:13 |
Zeno` |
If I had it my way I'd combine active and previous contributors |
| 13:13 |
Sokomine |
active in mod development - and if need and opportunity come maybe in the engine development as well. but currently not in the engine. wouldn't be fair to list me there |
| 13:13 |
Zeno` |
because, really, who cares if the contribution was 1, 2, 4 or 5 years ago? |
| 13:14 |
Zeno` |
But if I did that I'd remove email addresses of contributors |
| 13:14 |
Sokomine |
that's right, zeno. might just be a very long list |
| 13:15 |
Sokomine |
most players will probably never read it anyway or just by accident. any people that want to contribute are better off if they can identify active core developpers more easily |
| 13:15 |
Zeno` |
yeah it would be :) |
| 13:15 |
Zeno` |
Sokomine, oh I know they don't read it |
| 13:15 |
Zeno` |
any server I join using |
| 13:16 |
Zeno` |
any server I join using "Zeno" as my nick nobody even believes I'm a dev LOL |
| 13:16 |
Shara |
Because people fake devs so much :) |
| 13:16 |
Zeno` |
at the end of the day it's meaningless (really) |
| 13:17 |
Zeno` |
I dunno if I know you, Shara. Pleased to meet you |
| 13:17 |
Shara |
If they were all real, poor c55 must hate me for all the times I've banned him by now :) |
| 13:17 |
DS-minetest |
hah |
| 13:17 |
ircSparky |
the other day I had "notch" come to my server |
| 13:17 |
Zeno` |
ircSparky, that must have been an honour |
| 13:17 |
ircSparky |
(he actually admitted he was jk though) |
| 13:18 |
ircSparky |
he said he was going to arrest herobrine and grief his house |
| 13:18 |
Shara |
Lately, Robbie and I have banned a whole horde of Shadowy Ninjas as well. |
| 13:18 |
Zeno` |
I once banned Krock |
| 13:18 |
Zeno` |
(except it really was Krock) |
| 13:18 |
Shara |
I have had that experience too :D |
| 13:20 |
VanessaE |
good morning all. |
| 13:20 |
VanessaE |
(again) |
| 13:20 |
ircSparky |
I haven't banned Krock |
| 13:20 |
Shara |
Hi Vanessa |
| 13:20 |
ircSparky |
I guess im not a *real* server owner... |
| 13:20 |
ircSparky |
xD |
| 13:20 |
ircSparky |
morning |
| 13:21 |
DS-minetest |
good morning VanessaE |
| 13:21 |
Zeno` |
Fuchs, can I ask something? |
| 13:21 |
VanessaE |
so what's news? |
| 13:22 |
VanessaE |
(besides that.) |
| 13:22 |
Shara |
ircSparky: not real in what way? |
| 13:22 |
Zeno` |
Fuchs, I recently read a book about the first transatlantic crossing. The leader of the expedition was named someone Fuchs |
| 13:22 |
ircSparky |
you arent a real server oener unless you ban Krock at some point |
| 13:22 |
Zeno` |
any relation? |
| 13:22 |
Shara |
:D |
| 13:22 |
ircSparky |
:P |
| 13:23 |
Shara |
I only considered banning him. |
| 13:23 |
VanessaE |
oh, well then I guess I'm also not a real server owner. to my knowledge, I've never banned Krock either ;) |
| 13:23 |
Zeno` |
actually the book was written by Fuchs as well |
| 13:28 |
Fuchs |
Zeno`: sure, sorry, was busy elsewhere, |
| 13:28 |
Fuchs |
Zeno`: no, Fuchs is a common last name |
| 13:28 |
Fuchs |
it means fox |
| 13:29 |
Fuchs |
and whether it is my last name is not something I disclose :) |
| 13:29 |
Zeno` |
ah ok |
| 13:29 |
Zeno` |
well, it was an ok book |
| 13:30 |
Zeno` |
Fuchs, do you mind if I call you Fox Mulder? |
| 13:30 |
Zeno` |
lol, just kidding |
| 13:30 |
Fuchs |
oh, feel free to, David Duchovny is super sexy |
| 13:31 |
Fuchs |
bit older than I am |
| 13:31 |
Fuchs |
but sexy |
| 13:31 |
VanessaE |
Fuchs: you know, I meant to ask you how you got your name. now it makes sense :) |
| 13:31 |
Zeno` |
:-o |
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| 13:36 |
Calinou |
hi |
| 13:36 |
Calinou |
there's a Minetest screenshot on this site :D https://endlessos.com/home/ |
| 13:37 |
* stormchaser3000_ |
noticed that :D |
| 13:37 |
Calinou |
(Phoronix talked about that distro, so that's how I know about it) |
| 13:37 |
Fixer |
that one gnomers are doing? |
| 13:37 |
stormchaser3000_ |
a minetest screenshot on a GNU/Linux distro website :D |
| 13:38 |
DS-minetest |
it's an old mt version |
| 13:38 |
Calinou |
https://endlessos.com/download/ says you need to purchase support for proprietary media formats |
| 13:38 |
Calinou |
yeah, looks old |
| 13:38 |
Calinou |
but still, this distro is 2commercial5me :) |
| 13:38 |
Calinou |
(probably 2commercial5anyone, actually) |
| 13:42 |
twoelk |
are there numbers how many connect to servers with clients running on endlessOS? |
| 13:49 |
Calinou |
not sure if the master server registers the exact distro used |
| 13:49 |
Calinou |
it registers requests per-OS, sfan5 sometimes publishes stats |
| 13:49 |
Calinou |
(we have lots of Android and iOS, as you can expect) |
| 13:49 |
Calinou |
sfan5: what's the link to the stats by the way? I forgot |
| 13:50 |
sfan5 |
https://kitsunemimi.pw/tmp/ serverlist_status_*.txt in here |
| 13:50 |
Calinou |
also that's only for the master server, ie. individual servers don't get any OS/version info |
| 13:50 |
sfan5 |
s/status/stats/ |
| 13:51 |
Calinou |
heh, looking at the 4 stat dumps, nice to see IPv6 increasing steadily |
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| 13:59 |
Jordach |
>At a meeting in Vietnam, U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer said that the United States will not be returning to the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement. |
| 13:59 |
Jordach |
PogFuckingChamp |
| 14:00 |
sfan5 |
made great again ✔ |
| 14:01 |
shivajiva |
anybody know who hfranqui is? |
| 14:02 |
shivajiva |
given the statement about invading freenode via vpn I see no reason to entertain users in this channel that don't ask for voice and identify |
| 14:02 |
Fixer |
sfan5: where do you get all those unicode symbols, do you have some sort of plugin for irc, with handy search? |
| 14:03 |
Shara |
shivajiva: have to agree, sadly. I do feel identifying when asked isn't too much to ask. |
| 14:03 |
Jordach |
Fixer, ä¹‡ä¹‚ã„’å°ºå‚ ã„’å„丨匚匚 |
| 14:04 |
Shara |
Though we should always give some time for an answer before doing anything |
| 14:04 |
Zeno` |
yo |
| 14:04 |
Zeno` |
I come from the land down under |
| 14:04 |
sfan5 |
Fixer: i just have a list of a few in my auto-replace list |
| 14:04 |
* Zeno` |
hands Shara a vegemite sandwich |
| 14:04 |
Shara |
Cheers |
| 14:04 |
Zeno` |
you make me nervous |
| 14:05 |
Shara |
Though I think VanessaE stole all my doughnuts, and I'd much rather some of them |
| 14:05 |
Zeno` |
you better run. you'd better take cover |
| 14:05 |
VanessaE |
nono |
| 14:05 |
Shara |
no? |
| 14:05 |
VanessaE |
I only ate the éclair :) |
| 14:05 |
Shara |
Guuuuuuuhhhhhh! :( |
| 14:05 |
Zeno` |
I met a man in Brussels |
| 14:05 |
* VanessaE |
falls over laughing |
| 14:06 |
VanessaE |
Zeno`: was he about 1.8m tall and well-built? |
| 14:06 |
Zeno` |
he was 6 foot tall and full of muscles, yes |
| 14:06 |
VanessaE |
well you can keep the impending sandwich :P |
| 14:06 |
Zeno` |
lol |
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| 14:07 |
Fixer |
1.8m is not tall |
| 14:07 |
Fixer |
for man |
| 14:07 |
Fixer |
tall here is like 2m |
| 14:07 |
Fuchs |
depends, it certainly is above average for quite most countries |
| 14:07 |
VanessaE |
Fixer: song lyrics |
| 14:07 |
VanessaE |
the man was explicitly 6 feet tall, or about 1.8m :) |
| 14:08 |
CWz |
Zeno-sama-senpi? |
| 14:08 |
Zeno` |
I didn't take much note of the man, I just ate the sandwich |
| 14:09 |
Zeno` |
but he did have muscles |
| 14:09 |
VanessaE |
haha |
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Jordach |
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benrob0329 |
(Offtopic) https://youtu.be/aT8ix3ZNlLM |
| 14:17 |
VanessaE |
[off[ oldcoder.org probably, but use an anon proxy |
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| 14:18 |
Jordach |
kappa |
| 14:19 |
Calinou |
Jordach: :non_potable_water: |
| 14:19 |
Jordach |
we can shitpost in voice without anything being remembered Kappa |
| 14:27 |
Jordach |
http://i.imgur.com/7R6Wa.jpg |
| 14:27 |
VanessaE |
haha |
| 14:29 |
Jordach |
http://i.imgur.com/HSpOkVc.mp4 |
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| 14:45 |
twoelk |
sad things a'happening these days :-( |
| 14:46 |
benrob0329 |
Anyways, what's everyone up to? |
| 14:46 |
Sokomine |
trying to get mobs into my citybuilder world |
| 14:48 |
* twoelk |
is still dreaming of a functioning farmer-backer driven mob economy |
| 14:48 |
shivajiva |
looking at the Jails mod with a view to adding a timeframe element |
| 14:49 |
benrob0329 |
(Kek) https://youtu.be/cwe90O7tktM |
| 14:54 |
Sokomine |
farmer-backer? |
| 14:55 |
Calinou |
benrob0329: working on a Symfony thing |
| 14:57 |
Zeno` |
gute wurst is all I have to say |
| 14:57 |
Zeno` |
nom nom nom |
| 14:59 |
* Zeno` |
eats Thüringer Rostbratwurst |
| 15:00 |
Zeno` |
all other bratwurst are inferior |
| 15:00 |
twoelk |
not my favorite |
| 15:00 |
Zeno` |
*gasp* what are you saying, twoelk?! |
| 15:01 |
twoelk |
but then I'm not a fan of bratwurst alltogether |
| 15:01 |
twoelk |
excluding dishes and situations that simply can't go without |
| 15:01 |
Zeno` |
blasphemist! |
| 15:02 |
Zeno` |
Do you like kransky? |
| 15:02 |
Fixer |
fuck you, now I want to it |
| 15:02 |
Fixer |
stop that |
| 15:02 |
Fixer |
(afk) |
| 15:03 |
Sokomine |
hm. you make me hungry... |
| 15:03 |
Zeno` |
or chorizo? |
| 15:03 |
* Sokomine |
considers getting a bratwurst |
| 15:03 |
Zeno` |
Sokomine, let's cook it together! |
| 15:03 |
Fuchs |
I had a lovely Bratwurst earlier, with baked potatoes and vegetables. And then icecream |
| 15:04 |
twoelk |
? rather Matjes, Bismarkhering, or Sprotten for me :-D |
| 15:04 |
Zeno` |
Fuchs, stop teasing |
| 15:05 |
Fuchs |
go eat, then |
| 15:05 |
Zeno` |
err I might have to. LOL |
| 15:05 |
VanessaE |
mmmmm bratwurst |
| 15:05 |
VanessaE |
gimme |
| 15:09 |
Sokomine |
cook? it belongs on a barbeque (or however they're called in english) |
| 15:10 |
Sokomine |
fuchs: deliscious :-) |
| 15:10 |
Fuchs |
barbecue, and I think you can also do Bratwurst decently enough in a frying pan if you are good at it |
| 15:10 |
Fuchs |
reminds me to buy a barbecue for my new apartment |
| 15:10 |
* Sokomine |
hands VanessaE a bratwurst from a local imbiss |
| 15:11 |
Sokomine |
no. doing them in a frying pan does not taste well |
| 15:12 |
Zeno` |
Sokomine, none for me? |
| 15:13 |
VanessaE |
we'd just nuke them |
| 15:13 |
VanessaE |
we're lazy like that :) |
| 15:13 |
Zeno` |
no no no, they must be grilled (on coals) |
| 15:14 |
Zeno` |
Sokomine, VanessaE won't appreciate it. Can I have hers? |
| 15:14 |
Fuchs |
actually cervelat is a very common thing here, and these you roast over an open fire, by poking a wooden stick through them |
| 15:14 |
VanessaE |
oh I wouldn't mind it grilled :) |
| 15:15 |
Zeno` |
Fuchs, are you deliberately trying to make me hungry? |
| 15:15 |
Fuchs |
https://f3.blick.ch/img/incoming/origs4012904/0841995958-w1440-h960/Cervelat.jpg |
| 15:15 |
Fuchs |
now I am |
| 15:15 |
Zeno` |
I wish I didn't click that link :`( |
| 15:15 |
Fuchs |
(in unrelated sidenotes, I don't recommend blick.ch otherwise, it's a tabloid, a terrible one, but that's the best picture I found) |
| 15:16 |
* Zeno` |
cries |
| 15:17 |
shivajiva |
hope that was macadamia nut ice cream Fuchs :P |
| 15:17 |
Zeno` |
I want to eat it :( |
| 15:17 |
Fuchs |
shivajiva: no, my stomach currently doesn't react well to cream based icecream, so it was a popscicle (we also call that icecream) |
| 15:18 |
nerzhul |
oops |
| 15:18 |
shivajiva |
lol |
| 15:18 |
Zeno` |
you could probably eat grenata, Fuchs |
| 15:19 |
Fuchs |
oh, yes, sorry, is off-topic chatter actually okay in here? |
| 15:19 |
Fuchs |
if not: apologies |
| 15:19 |
Calinou |
depends if paramat is around or not :P |
| 15:19 |
Zeno` |
I don't think there is a topic here lol |
| 15:19 |
Fuchs |
Please keep offtopic discussions short (under 50 lines). *counts* *disappears* have a nice evening :) |
| 15:19 |
Zeno` |
I won't ban you anyway. Mainly because I'm not an op |
| 15:20 |
* Zeno` |
looks at shivajiva |
| 15:20 |
Fuchs |
technically I could ban myself, but that would be a bit frowned upon from various sides, and that's understandable :) |
| 15:20 |
Zeno` |
err Shara |
| 15:20 |
Zeno` |
Shara, make me an op! |
| 15:20 |
shivajiva |
Fuchs: you can add a zero to the end of that for yourself :) |
| 15:21 |
Shara |
Zeno, if I make you op, you'll probably do something crazy :) |
| 15:21 |
Fuchs |
I'd rather not have special treatment |
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| 15:21 |
Fuchs |
Shara: sorry for the off-topic banter |
| 15:21 |
Zeno` |
Shara, obviously I would but you'll do it anyway |
| 15:21 |
Shara |
Fuchs: It's fine, really. And not special treatment. |
| 15:22 |
Zeno` |
Shara, because you love me |
| 15:22 |
VanessaE |
Fuchs: we go offtopic here a lot. |
| 15:22 |
Shara |
It's more of a loose rule so we can legitimately stop things going too far. |
| 15:22 |
Fuchs |
ah, okay :) |
| 15:22 |
* Zeno` |
flutters his eyes |
| 15:22 |
Shara |
Zeno, this is just to shut you up. |
| 15:22 |
Shara |
:P |
| 15:23 |
Zeno` |
\o/ |
| 15:23 |
VanessaE |
Fuchs: *sigh* see your /msgs :-/ |
| 15:23 |
Fuchs |
already did |
| 15:23 |
VanessaE |
ok. |
| 15:23 |
* Zeno` |
does the dance of the funky chicken |
| 15:28 |
* Sokomine |
hands a curry bratwurst with pommes to Zeno` as well |
| 15:28 |
Sokomine |
nuke them? |
| 15:28 |
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| 15:28 |
Sokomine |
that's right. grilled on coals is the right way to produce them |
| 15:29 |
Zeno` |
Sokomine, THANKS! |
| 15:30 |
Sokomine |
Fuchs: no problem :-) but: do you play mt as well? :-) |
| 15:31 |
Fuchs |
Sokomine: so far not, I came here in staff capacity, sorry. I might give it a go, given I just recently found minecraft and rather like it |
| 15:31 |
Fuchs |
Sokomine: it's definitely on my list though, probably going to install it this weekend to have a look :) |
| 15:31 |
Fuchs |
(I rarely play on computers, I prefer consoles) |
| 15:32 |
Sokomine |
ah :-) then you really ought to try mt. it runs better under linux and on machines with not so good graphics than mc and is easy to mod :-) |
| 15:32 |
Sokomine |
(so a bit ontopic. can't hurt to advertise a bit :)) |
| 15:32 |
Sokomine |
oh. hm. the wasd-movement is probably taken from console games or the like |
| 15:33 |
Zeno` |
wasd is pretty, well, standard |
| 15:33 |
Sokomine |
it's not so easy for me. but it works well in this kind of game |
| 15:33 |
Zeno` |
has been since first wolfenstein |
| 15:33 |
Sokomine |
but the most fun is to build something anyway :-) |
| 15:34 |
Fuchs |
Sokomine: yeah, I've already seen that portage has it, so I'll go install it on my "big" laptop later on |
| 15:34 |
Zeno` |
true |
| 15:34 |
Fuchs |
the small one has an Intel somethingsomething GPU and is probably less fun |
| 15:34 |
Zeno` |
but also true is that you can change those keys lol |
| 15:35 |
Zeno` |
on my keyboard the A and S key are completely blank (the letters have been worn off them) |
| 15:35 |
Zeno` |
left shift is blank and so is left ctrl |
| 15:36 |
Zeno` |
Q is almost worn out as well as C |
| 15:36 |
VanessaE |
left shift and left ctrl on mine actually have the black parts worn off, showing the clear underlay (lighted keys) |
| 15:37 |
VanessaE |
at least on the edges |
| 15:37 |
Zeno` |
D is only half worn off... I guess I don't move to the right as much |
| 15:38 |
Fuchs |
and then I'll code and do a pull request for foxes, because every game needs foxes *nods* |
| 15:38 |
Zeno` |
we have foxes |
| 15:38 |
Zeno` |
(they are a mod though) |
| 15:39 |
Zeno` |
pretty common mod, though |
| 15:40 |
benrob0329 |
Calinou: a Symfony thing? |
| 15:40 |
benrob0329 |
>Blender composing is being slow |
| 15:41 |
benrob0329 |
*checks opencl* |
| 15:41 |
benrob0329 |
OMGOSH ITS INSTANT |
| 15:42 |
Sokomine |
Fuchs: i'm running mt on a machine with a celeron g1610 and its internal gpu. works pretty fine. even runs on my old and rather cheap smartphone to some degree (less view range there9 |
| 15:42 |
Fuchs |
then I might install it on the smaller kubuntu machine, at least that will be faster than compiling the whole thing on gentoo |
| 15:42 |
benrob0329 |
I ran MT on a dying Pentium laptop |
| 15:43 |
benrob0329 |
60 fps, without recording |
| 15:43 |
benrob0329 |
20 max whilst recording |
| 15:43 |
red-001 |
I used to run and compile mt on a pentium D |
| 15:43 |
benrob0329 |
Granted, I think I might have killed the thing leaving it up for a week rendering... |
| 15:44 |
Fuchs |
yeah, seems to run reasonably well |
| 15:44 |
Sokomine |
hm. my k and l keys are pretty worn off. also m and n for unkown reasons. v and b also |
| 15:44 |
Fuchs |
even when enabling stuff like the weaving leaves and grass and whatnot |
| 15:44 |
Fuchs |
okay, where would I get the foxes mod? :p |
| 15:45 |
benrob0329 |
More animals for Mobs redo? |
| 15:45 |
* twoelk |
keeps running minetest on hardware the devs tell him is too old, but it works anyways - sort of |
| 15:46 |
benrob0329 |
Well, one of the devs themselves is running too old of hardware :PP *cough* Krock *cough* |
| 15:46 |
Sokomine |
krock even ran a server on an old notebook for a long time |
| 15:47 |
* Fuchs |
eyes Zeno` |
| 15:48 |
* Zeno` |
eyes Fuchs |
| 15:48 |
Fuchs |
Zeno`: which mod did you talk about? For the foxes? |
| 15:49 |
Shara |
dmobs has foxes. |
| 15:49 |
red-001 |
are there foxes in mobs_redo? |
| 15:49 |
Fuchs |
right, dmobs *goes search* |
| 15:49 |
Shara |
Not sure how well that mod runs though. The version on Dark lands is highly edited |
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| 16:06 |
red-001 |
hi Krock |
| 16:08 |
Sokomine |
Fuchs: you can find mods under http://krock-works.16mb.com/MTstuff/modSearch.php forum search does not work well |
| 16:08 |
Fuchs |
Sokomine: yes, already found and installed it, and reported my first "bug" to Zeno` :p |
| 16:09 |
Sokomine |
:-) |
| 16:13 |
Fixer |
*shrug* |
| 16:14 |
Fixer |
"now I want to eat" corrected my message, also, done it already, very fine |
| 16:15 |
Fixer |
tea time! |
| 16:17 |
Krock |
hi red-001, Fixer, Sokomine, Fuchs, <your name could be here> |
| 16:17 |
Fixer |
hi |
| 16:18 |
Fixer |
i wonder if I should make water related table of bugs |
| 16:19 |
Fixer |
oh |
| 16:19 |
Fixer |
i forgot my minetest anniversary |
| 16:19 |
Fixer |
6 years |
| 16:21 |
Calinou |
benrob0329: the famous PHP framework, http://symfony.com/ |
| 16:21 |
Fixer |
https://i.imgur.com/5IUtFMv.jpg (my oldest minetest related screenshot), made 19.05.2011 |
| 16:22 |
Fixer |
in this 6 years I finally seen some important bugs fixed, and carts merged |
| 16:22 |
Fixer |
especially in last releases |
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| 16:22 |
Zeno` |
yeah he did :) |
| 16:22 |
Zeno` |
Bug is fixed in next release hehehe |
| 16:22 |
Sokomine |
hi krock :-) |
| 16:23 |
Sokomine |
congratulations, fixer :-) |
| 16:23 |
Fixer |
Zeno`: that screenshot also has link to bugreporting, try to guess |
| 16:23 |
Fixer |
it is hard to believe time flies so fast |
| 16:23 |
Sokomine |
fixer: indeed |
| 16:24 |
red-001 |
I still find it funny how your name is Fixer and you seem to be really good at finding bugs instead |
| 16:24 |
Fixer |
that was random name |
| 16:24 |
Fixer |
i hate bugs |
| 16:24 |
red-001 |
do you work in QA or something lol? |
| 16:24 |
Fixer |
no |
| 16:24 |
Zeno` |
red-001, are you ok with how how I presented your name in the credits? |
| 16:25 |
red-001 |
seems good |
| 16:25 |
Fixer |
Zeno`: so what is the bug on that screenshot? |
| 16:25 |
Zeno` |
what screenshot? |
| 16:25 |
Fixer |
Zeno`: https://i.imgur.com/5IUtFMv.jpg |
| 16:26 |
Zeno` |
oh, all the debug info at the top |
| 16:26 |
Zeno` |
it's not really a bug, just annoying |
| 16:27 |
Fixer |
wrong, good luck guessing it, the bug is: Server crash when you exceed world limit |
| 16:27 |
Calinou |
Fixer: ah, you made that one |
| 16:27 |
Calinou |
Fixer: you were HaiR? |
| 16:27 |
Fixer |
Calinou: no |
| 16:27 |
Fixer |
Calinou: i was Fixer |
| 16:27 |
Fixer |
Zeno`: I started minetest with world border related crashes, it is 2017 - still world related crashing |
| 16:28 |
Fixer |
celeron also was on that server |
| 16:28 |
Zeno` |
ok, well I'll fix it. I misunderstood what the screenshot was |
| 16:29 |
Fixer |
Calinou: also, I did walked 30000 nodes manually, by using rock on my keyboard, some person made a huge road to end of the world |
| 16:29 |
Calinou |
yeah |
| 16:29 |
Fixer |
i wonder who was that person |
| 16:29 |
Calinou |
I saw this screenshot just after joining |
| 16:29 |
Calinou |
in 2 months, I celebrate my 6th Minetest birthday :) |
| 16:29 |
Calinou |
(2011-07-06 is when I first compiled the game on a Ubuntu 10.04 laptop |
| 16:29 |
Zeno` |
email me how to reproduce and it will be fixed tomorrow |
| 16:30 |
Calinou |
I was wondering why my FPS was low for almost 2 months – turned out that "wanted_fps = 100" slowed down the game a lot for no reason |
| 16:30 |
Calinou |
(default was 30) |
| 16:30 |
Fixer |
Zeno`: that crash was fixed in 2011 iirc, another was fixed in 2016... and some remains related to 200 000 |
| 16:31 |
Fixer |
also, I think I added that END thing on top |
| 16:31 |
Zeno` |
That doesn't tell me how to reproduce it |
| 16:31 |
Fixer |
fancied it |
| 16:31 |
Zeno` |
I don't want to know what happens, I want to know how to make it happen |
| 16:32 |
benrob0329 |
Minetest should probablu use relative coords (aka the map gets "snapped" back to center) that way we can make the maps bigget |
| 16:32 |
benrob0329 |
*bigget |
| 16:32 |
benrob0329 |
*bigget |
| 16:32 |
benrob0329 |
I'm done |
| 16:32 |
benrob0329 |
Mobile keyboards suck |
| 16:32 |
Fixer |
Zeno`: this one is last world border related bug I remember https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5521 |
| 16:32 |
Fixer |
Zeno`: other more easier bugs were fixed already |
| 16:32 |
Sokomine |
fixer: was it probably the road-server? but that came later afaik... |
| 16:33 |
Fixer |
Sokomine: not sure, possibly tsundere.fi or celeron's server |
| 16:33 |
Fixer |
I do remember telling celeron mapblock was slow as hell |
| 16:33 |
Fixer |
mapblock load* |
| 16:36 |
Fixer |
remember mindless walking on that road |
| 16:36 |
Fixer |
chunks loaded in front of me |
| 16:37 |
Fixer |
i arrived to the end, did something there, server crashed few times as usual, and my memory fails here |
| 16:37 |
Calinou |
benrob0329: bigger maps aren't really doable, I think |
| 16:37 |
Calinou |
without breaking everything |
| 16:38 |
Fixer |
at the time I've also tried infiniminer and MC on their website, stayed with minetest |
| 16:38 |
Fixer |
notice how good is this fps! |
| 16:39 |
Fixer |
as for ati radeon 9600 |
| 16:39 |
Fixer |
end of course it is trolling, because I'm facing end of the world |
| 16:40 |
Fixer |
automatic range in 0.3 worked in ranges from 35-140 with fps around at 30-70, stuttering appeared in 2011 |
| 16:41 |
Fixer |
in sense of graphics, z-sorting and stutter is worst parts |
| 16:41 |
Fixer |
that exist today in my opinion |
| 16:41 |
benrob0329 |
Oohh, I just had an excelent idea for a perma ban |
| 16:42 |
Fixer |
i wonder how MC W10 achieves so much performance on huge vranges |
| 16:42 |
benrob0329 |
Send the player far outside the map so that their game crashes |
| 16:42 |
benrob0329 |
Then, if they rejoin, it'll crash again |
| 16:42 |
benrob0329 |
Fixer: kernel level rendering |
| 16:42 |
Fixer |
benrob0329: iirc, on Hometown server someone did that |
| 16:44 |
Hijiri |
good thing the hackers didn't think of doing that |
| 16:44 |
Fixer |
ati related z-buffer fix (rba) and proper water flow (millersman) also makes me very comfy |
| 16:46 |
Fixer |
it turns out on ATI videocards MC also had the same problem with z-buffer (texture ripples), but it was fixed in 2011, and in MT somewhere near 2016 |
| 16:46 |
Fixer |
i'm still amazed why carts were so left out, since we had rails in 2011 |
| 16:48 |
twoelk |
buggy carts code |
| 16:50 |
Fixer |
iirc PilzAdams carts were jittery as hell |
| 16:50 |
benrob0329 |
Railnet ftw |
| 16:51 |
Fixer |
yet, fork of pilzadam carts by Krock ("optimised?" (c)), was used and it works pretty much |
| 16:51 |
Fixer |
i like it |
| 16:51 |
Fixer |
very stable most of the time |
| 16:51 |
Fixer |
smooth |
| 16:51 |
Fixer |
JT 0.4.12 pilzadam cart experience was horrible |
| 16:52 |
Fixer |
also, head was at level 3, which was very odd |
| 16:52 |
Fixer |
so you needed 3x1 tunnels, but nobody did them |
| 16:52 |
benrob0329 |
Fixer: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=13873 |
| 16:53 |
Fixer |
benrob0329: as an option, sure, I'm very happy MTG has official carts |
| 16:53 |
Fixer |
that can be disabled and replaced by other mods |
| 16:54 |
benrob0329 |
Yes, but carts should not be laggy in singleplayer |
| 16:54 |
Fixer |
benrob0329: on my PC (core i3+ati6870) I had no problems with new official carts |
| 16:54 |
benrob0329 |
(Current carts have a strange "snapping" behavior) |
| 16:54 |
Fixer |
hmm |
| 16:54 |
Fixer |
possible |
| 16:54 |
benrob0329 |
sure, on a long straight track you don't notice |
| 16:54 |
Fixer |
if you punch on hilly areas and other trick stuff |
| 16:55 |
benrob0329 |
But who the heck makes a long straight track with a MINEcart ? |
| 16:56 |
Fixer |
benrob0329: i did a lot of testing of carts in singleplayer, and it was fine most of the time, without jitter or up-down movement, if you also have accelerator-rails, it runs very good |
| 16:56 |
Fixer |
there were problems with reversing motion, stacking in ground in certain situations |
| 16:56 |
Calinou |
I remember OptiFine forcing 16-bit z-buffer (instead of the default 24-bit) to squeeze an extra bit of performance |
| 16:56 |
Calinou |
z-fighting happened pretty often with ladders and vines |
| 16:57 |
Fixer |
Calinou: lol, that is too 2000 |
| 16:57 |
red-001 |
oh Roger Moore died |
| 16:57 |
benrob0329 |
Fixer: perhaps they are fine, but I certainly don't like the feel of them |
| 16:58 |
Fixer |
benrob0329: cool thing is you can disable them and use other alternatives |
| 16:58 |
Krock |
Fixer, well, most of the cart's execution speed is gained by only updating the velocity/acceleration each node instead a few hundred times a second |
| 16:58 |
benrob0329 |
This is true |
| 16:58 |
Fixer |
thats why good modular minetest_game should not be ashamed of including actual stuff to make complete game, if it is modular enough - you can make parts replacable/moddable |
| 16:58 |
Krock |
and if updating - only the stuff that has actually be changed |
| 16:59 |
benrob0329 |
^^ like git. |
| 17:00 |
Fixer |
Krock: your descriptino of boost_carts is funny, it is optimised (?) |
| 17:01 |
Fixer |
i would it does |
| 17:01 |
Fixer |
i would say it does* |
| 17:01 |
Krock |
Fixer, that's not limited to the speed, but also to the functionally overall. when I wrote this it had some annoying glitches, like driving through walls or skipping nodes |
| 17:02 |
Krock |
so, might be a bit outdated already but I like to keep it this way |
| 17:02 |
Fixer |
Krock: to have more AdamPilz feel |
| 17:03 |
Fixer |
btw, there are new formspec typing related bugs I posted, another hydra |
| 17:05 |
Krock |
trying to fix the selectionbox when pointing through water.. |
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| 17:06 |
Calinou |
out of curiosity, does anyone know how to reduce sound latency in WINE games? |
| 17:06 |
Calinou |
it's quite high for me |
| 17:06 |
Calinou |
native games don't have this issue |
| 17:07 |
Krock |
hmm.. already tried fiddling with the sound output device yet in your settings? |
| 17:07 |
Fixer |
Calinou: last time I tried WINE somewhere in 2004 with CS i had no problems with sound, but later... Lennart arrived |
| 17:07 |
Calinou |
yeah, this is PulseAudio |
| 17:08 |
Fixer |
Calinou: THIS IS SPARTA! |
| 17:08 |
Hijiri |
Calinou: I don't know, but I remember playing Osu! on WINE |
| 17:08 |
Fixer |
i mean pulseaudio |
| 17:08 |
Calinou |
I lowered s_mixahead in Quake Live to 0.1, the lowest stable value here |
| 17:08 |
Calinou |
(default is 0.2… which is even worse) |
| 17:08 |
Hijiri |
but maybe I just had a really high delay set |
| 17:08 |
Calinou |
tried 0.05, had no sound since it was too short |
| 17:08 |
Fixer |
Calinou: fannily I had very small mouse lag :D |
| 17:08 |
Fixer |
funnily* |
| 17:09 |
Fixer |
XFree time |
| 17:09 |
Fixer |
and it is 2017... wayland is not mainstream |
| 17:10 |
Fixer |
yet |
| 17:11 |
Fixer |
Calinou: it seems PA was improved noticeably |
| 17:11 |
Fixer |
Calinou: from comments I've read |
| 17:11 |
Fixer |
Calinou: at first it was *RAGING* |
| 17:11 |
Fixer |
Calinou: everyone was disabling it like plague |
| 17:11 |
Fixer |
luckily I was on Windows XP at the time |
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| 17:12 |
Fixer |
I was reading those forums full of rage and hate to Lennart, SystemD, PulseAudio, 1000 posts on single topics on sysvinit vs systemd, that was perfect read |
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| 17:13 |
Fixer |
it overshadowed even Gentoo |
| 17:13 |
Fixer |
Gentoo as a distro for guys who like process of compilation itself to gain few percents of speed and too warm their house |
| 17:14 |
Fixer |
and this leads me to >>> Calinou |
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| 17:14 |
Fixer |
Calinou: i wonder if minetest will have flatpak/whatever for distribution |
| 17:14 |
Fixer |
Calinou: automated build, newest |
| 17:14 |
Fixer |
Calinou: debug symbols available, and other perks |
| 17:14 |
rubenwardy |
urrr |
| 17:14 |
Calinou |
Fixer: debug builds available to end users are useless |
| 17:14 |
Fixer |
Calinou: nerzhul has some autobuilding facilities |
| 17:14 |
Calinou |
(more or less) |
| 17:15 |
Calinou |
also, AppImage > Flatpak still |
| 17:15 |
Fixer |
Calinou: except me %) |
| 17:15 |
Calinou |
at least for most use cases |
| 17:15 |
Fixer |
Calinou: AppImage is backed by someone? |
| 17:15 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: wanna look at formspecs? %) |
| 17:15 |
Calinou |
Fixer: yes |
| 17:15 |
Fixer |
Calinou: who? |
| 17:15 |
benrob0329 |
Appimage doesn't require a thing to be installed |
| 17:15 |
Calinou |
Fixer: okay… http://appimage.org |
| 17:16 |
Calinou |
AppImage is Torvalds, Lunduke, Shuttleworth-approved |
| 17:16 |
Calinou |
is this not enough for you? |
| 17:16 |
benrob0329 |
And its like a docker image, in the sense that everything needed is in it |
| 17:16 |
Fixer |
Calinou: okay-okay, but does debian stable support it? |
| 17:16 |
Calinou |
yes, depending if the AppImage is built on an old enough distro |
| 17:16 |
Calinou |
typically you use Ubuntu 14.04 to build AppImages today, so they also work on Debian 8 |
| 17:16 |
Calinou |
(not Debian 7, though) |
| 17:16 |
Calinou |
(unless you build on Debian 7…) |
| 17:17 |
benrob0329 |
I thought appimages were distro independent |
| 17:17 |
Calinou |
no desktop user really uses a < 2014 distro |
| 17:17 |
Calinou |
benrob0329: they are, but to an extent |
| 17:17 |
Calinou |
the older the distro you build from, the more compatible it is |
| 17:17 |
Calinou |
but you can't build all software this way, due to many softwares requiring recent libraries |
| 17:17 |
Calinou |
(Doomsday requires Ubuntu 16.04!) |
| 17:17 |
Fixer |
Calinou: wait, shuttle-t supports appimage? is not they have Snap? |
| 17:17 |
Calinou |
he does. |
| 17:17 |
Calinou |
read the site :) |
| 17:18 |
Fixer |
this part annoys me, would they rather choose one and make it awesome? %) |
| 17:18 |
Fixer |
now we have three... |
| 17:18 |
Calinou |
three what? |
| 17:18 |
Fixer |
appimage, flatpak, snap |
| 17:18 |
benrob0329 |
Appimage doesn't require extra stuff, correct? |
| 17:19 |
Calinou |
competition is good, software monocultures are never a good thing. |
| 17:19 |
Calinou |
see OpenSSL |
| 17:19 |
Calinou |
benrob0329: yes. no root required to use them, too |
| 17:19 |
Calinou |
(this is big) |
| 17:19 |
Fixer |
Calinou: okay, but do the have GUI? |
| 17:19 |
Calinou |
GUI for what? |
| 17:19 |
benrob0329 |
then its better |
| 17:19 |
Fixer |
Calinou: for whole installing process |
| 17:19 |
Calinou |
AppImages do not need to be installed |
| 17:19 |
benrob0329 |
Flat ans snap both need extra things |
| 17:19 |
Calinou |
they are portable applications |
| 17:19 |
Fixer |
Calinou: say I'm noob, I DLed Minetest appimage... |
| 17:19 |
Calinou |
you can move them to /usr/local/bin though, if you want them to be in your PATH |
| 17:19 |
Calinou |
you do need to make them executable though, first. |
| 17:19 |
benrob0329 |
you'd click on it/execute it like a binary |
| 17:19 |
Calinou |
unfortunately, it's going to stay like this for a while |
| 17:20 |
Calinou |
*except* if you put your AppImage in a .tar but this is not recommended |
| 17:20 |
Calinou |
(users need to extract it then) |
| 17:21 |
Calinou |
consider that many distros are pretty hostile to the idea of AppImages and such |
| 17:21 |
Calinou |
(namely, Debian) |
| 17:21 |
sfan5 |
red-001: why do you have so many alt accounts |
| 17:21 |
sfan5 |
or nicks |
| 17:21 |
red-001 |
not sure tbh |
| 17:21 |
benrob0329 |
Because he can? |
| 17:21 |
Fuchs |
red-001: sorry :) |
| 17:22 |
Fixer |
Calinou: hmm, to run AppImage I need to simply run it? |
| 17:22 |
Fuchs |
red-001: that looked quite alt-ish, obviously removed now |
| 17:22 |
red-001 |
Fuchs, it's ok I'm removing the account from my znc anyway |
| 17:22 |
sfan5 |
benrob0329: that's not a reason |
| 17:22 |
Calinou |
Fixer: chmod +x then run it |
| 17:22 |
red-001 |
it was planning to reuse it for something else |
| 17:22 |
benrob0329 |
Is it wrong to have an alt or two? |
| 17:22 |
Calinou |
(you can do this from the permissions GUI of your file manager, right click -> properties -> permissions) |
| 17:22 |
red-001 |
I* |
| 17:22 |
Fixer |
Calinou: okay, this is pretty simple |
| 17:22 |
Calinou |
it's up to you to tell users how to make it executable |
| 17:23 |
Fixer |
Calinou: and it will work on any distro? |
| 17:23 |
red-001 |
just can't figure out how to list users |
| 17:23 |
paramat |
forum offtopic was wiped, nice =D |
| 17:23 |
Calinou |
yes |
| 17:23 |
benrob0329 |
paramat: really? Its about time |
| 17:23 |
Calinou |
if you build on Ubuntu 14.04, you support: any Ubuntu released since then, Debian 8/9 and sid, any non-EOL Fedora, Arch Linux and derivatives… |
| 17:23 |
Calinou |
so pretty much everyone |
| 17:23 |
Calinou |
remember to test your AppImage on actual distros! |
| 17:23 |
Fixer |
Calinou: OpenSUSE? Manjaro? |
| 17:23 |
Fixer |
oh |
| 17:23 |
Calinou |
use virtual machines or chroots/systemd-nspawns |
| 17:24 |
Calinou |
yes, will work on openSUSE and Manjaro |
| 17:24 |
Calinou |
fortunately, the AppImage lead developer created something to quickly test software in distros |
| 17:24 |
Calinou |
you give it a distro ISO, an AppImage, and it runs it in the distro in a chroot IIRC |
| 17:25 |
Fixer |
last time i've looked into flatpak, it was bunch of strange commands to install and run |
| 17:25 |
Fixer |
Calinou: nice |
| 17:25 |
Calinou |
yes, that's the problem with Flatpak |
| 17:25 |
Calinou |
Flatpak has more advanced sandboxing capabilities |
| 17:25 |
Calinou |
but AppImage can be run in Firejail, too |
| 17:26 |
benrob0329 |
celeron55: lol, nice one with the nokia swat |
| 17:26 |
Fixer |
wat? |
| 17:26 |
garywhite |
my first phone was a nokia |
| 17:26 |
Fixer |
mine too (iirc) |
| 17:27 |
Fixer |
32XX one ofc |
| 17:27 |
benrob0329 |
The shitposter himself wants the pists back |
| 17:27 |
benrob0329 |
*posts |
| 17:27 |
Calinou |
shotpister |
| 17:27 |
benrob0329 |
XD |
| 17:27 |
Fixer |
you have not seen real shitposting |
| 17:27 |
benrob0329 |
ShotGlassPisser |
| 17:28 |
Fixer |
i've seen fields... fields... of text for hundread of pages about ------on |
| 17:28 |
Fixer |
never looking back |
| 17:28 |
benrob0329 |
Fixer: I admin a shitposting channel (a few of them, actually) I think.I've seen real shitposting |
| 17:29 |
Fixer |
Calinou: seems user friendly, here is friendliness of flatpak: http://flatpak.org/hello-world.html |
| 17:29 |
Calinou |
for a certain definition of "user friendly", yeah |
| 17:29 |
Fixer |
gentoo user friendly |
| 17:30 |
Fixer |
btw |
| 17:30 |
Fixer |
you would not believe what got me into linux |
| 17:30 |
Krock |
a cat |
| 17:30 |
Calinou |
my 1 TB SSD only has 87 GB left right now :'( |
| 17:30 |
Calinou |
it's getting worse, downloading a game |
| 17:31 |
Fixer |
I've read a PC -related magazine, it had that nice article about KDE 2, i was interested, it was intriguing |
| 17:31 |
Krock |
Calinou, create a 1 GiB ramdrive and move part by part in there. You might need to restart your computer in order to do a lossy compression on this drive's contents |
| 17:31 |
Fixer |
released in 2000 |
| 17:32 |
Fixer |
it looked nicer on paper than this https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/KDE_2.2.2.png |
| 17:32 |
Fixer |
windows was boring at the time |
| 17:32 |
benrob0329 |
KDE: Copying Windows since 1997 |
| 17:32 |
Fixer |
so i bought a disk with linux that mailed to me :} |
| 17:33 |
Fixer |
because dialup |
| 17:33 |
Fixer |
nobody in their mind will DL 700mb over dialup |
| 17:33 |
benrob0329 |
My grandparents had dialup until just recently |
| 17:33 |
benrob0329 |
it'd never finish |
| 17:33 |
Fixer |
later I also bought DEBIAN on 15 CDs or smth |
| 17:34 |
Krock |
ReactOS: Copying Windows since 1996 |
| 17:34 |
benrob0329 |
Your computer woukd die from anxiety |
| 17:34 |
Wayward_One |
hi all :) |
| 17:34 |
benrob0329 |
Hi Wayward_One |
| 17:34 |
Fixer |
benrob0329: just recently? when? |
| 17:34 |
benrob0329 |
Like a few months ago |
| 17:34 |
Fixer |
lol |
| 17:34 |
Fixer |
benrob0329: better use mobile in this case |
| 17:35 |
Fixer |
tbh I liked debian from the start |
| 17:35 |
Fixer |
it feel very well made distro |
| 17:35 |
Fixer |
organised |
| 17:35 |
Fixer |
good tools |
| 17:35 |
Fixer |
good docs |
| 17:35 |
Fixer |
lots of packages |
| 17:35 |
benrob0329 |
rusty, crusty, and broken. |
| 17:35 |
Fixer |
huge downside is dinosaur-era software |
| 17:35 |
Fixer |
so i was on testing |
| 17:35 |
benrob0329 |
Those are words I will use for the rest of ny lofe thanks to Calinou |
| 17:35 |
Fixer |
sometimes on unstable |
| 17:36 |
benrob0329 |
Gentoo ftw, its stable but not old |
| 17:37 |
Calinou |
"rusty, stale and broken" it is :P |
| 17:37 |
Fixer |
benrob0329: debian has backports now |
| 17:37 |
Fixer |
which is improvement |
| 17:37 |
benrob0329 |
Calinou: ahh |
| 17:37 |
Fixer |
also appimages |
| 17:37 |
Calinou |
backports only apply to a few select packages |
| 17:37 |
paramat |
i was hoping offtopic was removed completely so kids would play elsewhere |
| 17:37 |
Calinou |
and they can themselves be out of date… lol |
| 17:37 |
benrob0329 |
Backports is asking for trouble |
| 17:37 |
benrob0329 |
paramat: best to keep them off irc |
| 17:38 |
Fixer |
Calinou: there are two sides of the coin, it is Debian|Arch |
| 17:38 |
* Shara |
thinks the kids should just go and play on (someone else's) MT servers. |
| 17:38 |
Calinou |
there is a middle ground, like Fedora, Manjaro, etc |
| 17:38 |
benrob0329 |
And then there are those on the edge of the coin |
| 17:38 |
Fixer |
Shara: noooooOOoOO**** |
| 17:38 |
Calinou |
or even Debian testing outside of freeze periods |
| 17:38 |
Fixer |
Calinou: lol, fedora |
| 17:38 |
Shara |
Fixer: Yesssss! |
| 17:39 |
Calinou |
Fedora is a pretty good distro |
| 17:39 |
Calinou |
I used it back in F22-F23 |
| 17:39 |
benrob0329 |
Hometown is full of roleplay last I checked |
| 17:39 |
Calinou |
with Xfce |
| 17:39 |
Shara |
benrob0329: is it allowed there? |
| 17:39 |
benrob0329 |
Shara: it would appear so |
| 17:39 |
* Shara |
will stay away |
| 17:40 |
benrob0329 |
Multiple mods on, I was told deal with it or find another server |
| 17:40 |
Shara |
You're welcome on mine :) |
| 17:40 |
benrob0329 |
ik, and will probably hop on one of theese days |
| 17:40 |
Fixer |
Calinou: interestingly there were two big polls about used distros across years on one site: | ubuntu, debian, arch, gentoo | fedora, mint, suse |
| 17:40 |
Fixer |
ubuntu+debian+arch is majority |
| 17:41 |
Fixer |
RPM based is 15% at most |
| 17:41 |
benrob0329 |
Manjaro is gaining the ranks |
| 17:41 |
red-001 |
wow offtopic just got worse after being wiped |
| 17:41 |
benrob0329 |
Lol |
| 17:41 |
Fixer |
red-001: moved to this channel? |
| 17:41 |
sfan5 |
heh what did you expect |
| 17:41 |
red-001 |
the shit posters are rushing to get first post |
| 17:42 |
benrob0329 |
You know, Xscreensaver really doesn't get the credit it deserves |
| 17:42 |
benrob0329 |
Sure, the lock screen may be a bit ugly |
| 17:43 |
benrob0329 |
But some of these screensavers are actually really cool |
| 17:43 |
Fixer |
benrob0329: and I remember some epic bugs related to it |
| 17:43 |
Fixer |
epic vulnerability ones |
| 17:43 |
benrob0329 |
I think 99% of those got fixed |
| 17:44 |
benrob0329 |
The lock screen just needs a noce flat style |
| 17:44 |
Fixer |
yep |
| 17:44 |
Fixer |
https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-1861/Xscreensaver.html |
| 17:45 |
Fixer |
"In some cases, xscreensaver did not properly grab the keyboard when |
| 17:45 |
Fixer |
reading the password for unlocking the screen, so that the password |
| 17:45 |
Fixer |
was typed into the currently active application window." |
| 17:45 |
Fixer |
^___^ |
| 17:45 |
CWz |
is it possible for games to lag despite low ping? |
| 17:45 |
Fixer |
CWz: minetest? yes |
| 17:45 |
Fixer |
CWz: server lag itself |
| 17:45 |
Fixer |
there is server lag and network lag |
| 17:46 |
Fixer |
you can see ping in minetest in F5 graph iirc |
| 17:46 |
Fixer |
udp rtt |
| 17:46 |
Fixer |
in seconds |
| 17:46 |
Fixer |
my usual lag is 200ms |
| 17:47 |
Fixer |
on USA servers |
| 17:47 |
benrob0329 |
Fixer: the author talks about that very problem on his website |
| 17:47 |
Fixer |
benrob0329: what author, on what website? |
| 17:47 |
benrob0329 |
Moment |
| 17:47 |
benrob0329 |
Also, those bug repirts were from 2007 |
| 17:49 |
Fixer |
i've just discovered i was running minetest this whole time in background |
| 17:49 |
benrob0329 |
https://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/toolkits.html talks about some security stuff |
| 17:49 |
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| 17:50 |
Fixer |
"If you are not running xscreensaver on Linux, then it is safe to assume that your screen does not lock. Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action. Four times is Official GNOME Policy. " |
| 17:51 |
Fixer |
and GNOME again... |
| 17:51 |
Fixer |
i hope bug was fixed |
| 17:52 |
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| 17:53 |
Calinou |
<benrob0329> But some of these screensavers are actually really cool |
| 17:53 |
Calinou |
I heard they can be as a replacement for drugs |
| 17:54 |
Calinou |
some are just so trippy :D |
| 17:54 |
Calinou |
at our networking class, the computers have xscreensaver enabled and have a random screensaver on each start |
| 17:54 |
benrob0329 |
Flying toasters :PP |
| 17:54 |
benrob0329 |
And Time vortexes, apparently |
| 17:55 |
Calinou |
the ant, too |
| 17:55 |
Calinou |
with a flashlight on its head |
| 17:56 |
Fixer |
Calinou: windows ditched screensavers iirc, since they don't save much power |
| 17:56 |
Calinou |
yep, the ydid |
| 17:56 |
Calinou |
they actually use power! |
| 17:56 |
Calinou |
since the GPU has to render it |
| 17:56 |
Calinou |
screensavers are useless with LCDs anyway |
| 17:56 |
Fixer |
nah |
| 17:56 |
Fixer |
early Windows rendered even 3d ones on stuff like TNT VANTA |
| 17:57 |
Calinou |
…or CPU |
| 17:57 |
Calinou |
same thing, both use power |
| 17:57 |
Fixer |
or cpu |
| 17:58 |
Fixer |
a lot of people liked those screensavers |
| 17:58 |
Fixer |
Calinou: screensavers were on DOS too |
| 17:58 |
Calinou |
remember the 3D maze screensaver in Windows 95? |
| 17:58 |
Calinou |
"Wolfenstein 3D in permanent demo mode and no enemies" |
| 17:58 |
Calinou |
"and with optional trippy textures" |
| 17:59 |
CWz |
we need a linux alternative |
| 17:59 |
Calinou |
inb4 GNU FreeMaze |
| 17:59 |
Fixer |
Calinou: YES |
| 17:59 |
Calinou |
Fixer: I was like 5 or 6 when I first saw that screensaver |
| 18:00 |
CWz |
i recall watching for hours |
| 18:00 |
Fixer |
i already played and listened music on W95 |
| 18:00 |
twoelk |
I had a garden as screensaver - that was really nice - with flower seed updates now and then |
| 18:00 |
CWz |
maybe not hours but |
| 18:00 |
Fixer |
after that went to DOS |
| 18:00 |
Fixer |
and back to 98 |
| 18:00 |
CWz |
we need minetest for dos |
| 18:01 |
Fixer |
iirc |
| 18:01 |
Fixer |
and that was not a winamp! |
| 18:01 |
twoelk |
and I remember Spock investigating elements of my screen with a tricorder and raising an eyebrow now and then :-P |
| 18:01 |
Calinou |
lol'd hard at the new offtopic sections :D |
| 18:01 |
CWz |
back in the days of real player |
| 18:02 |
twoelk |
hm - what would a minetest themed screensaver look like? |
| 18:02 |
benrob0329 |
CWz: make one for Xscreensaver |
| 18:02 |
Calinou |
lol, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=17676 |
| 18:02 |
Calinou |
he just edited "!" to a GIF |
| 18:02 |
Fixer |
twoelk: moving blocks |
| 18:02 |
Calinou |
I refreshed and a GIF appeared |
| 18:02 |
Calinou |
(don't click on his website link, too, I guess) |
| 18:03 |
* Wayward_One |
is ecstatic |
| 18:03 |
twoelk |
ah, yeah, maybe some server spawn timelapse |
| 18:03 |
Fixer |
amount of influence of square pants on meme culture is immense |
| 18:03 |
Calinou |
and dabbing |
| 18:03 |
benrob0329 |
And weed |
| 18:04 |
Wayward_One |
lol |
| 18:04 |
benrob0329 |
Remember when early versions of farming_redo had "weed" ? |
| 18:05 |
benrob0329 |
you'd go gardening and come back with 3 stacks of "weed" |
| 18:05 |
Fixer |
i'm still confused about weed |
| 18:05 |
Krock |
benrob0329, what? was it removed? |
| 18:05 |
Fixer |
Liberty land has weed |
| 18:05 |
Krock |
weed is amazing |
| 18:05 |
benrob0329 |
Krock: no, it was corrected to "weeds" |
| 18:06 |
Krock |
aww man :( |
| 18:06 |
Fixer |
weed that polluts cropped land |
| 18:06 |
Fixer |
weeds* |
| 18:06 |
Fixer |
fuck it |
| 18:06 |
benrob0329 |
It would be interesting to have such a mod though |
| 18:06 |
Fixer |
weeds that pollute the cropland* |
| 18:06 |
Fixer |
no drugs |
| 18:07 |
benrob0329 |
Tripping Balls [weed] |
| 18:07 |
twoelk |
there was some weedy mod somewhere |
| 18:07 |
cheapie |
benrob0329: Heh, I used to have a "Legitimate Business" building on one server that had those growing in the basement, and then one of Sokomine's NPC traders selling it behind the 1MG store :P |
| 18:08 |
benrob0329 |
LOL |
| 18:08 |
Fixer |
when i think about weed, Wuzzy comes to mind, and Weedy |
| 18:08 |
twoelk |
although player-effects of the drugged type might be fun having for many purposes |
| 18:08 |
Fixer |
weed is featured in CDDA basements (if you know what i mean) |
| 18:09 |
cheapie |
player:set_physics_override({speed=-1}) is fun, although not quite right for this. |
| 18:09 |
Krock |
cheapie, negative gravity. |
| 18:10 |
cheapie |
Because of certain assumptions(?) made by the movement code, a negative speed produces all sorts of strange stuff when you try to move. |
| 18:10 |
twoelk |
psychodelic coloring of the view aught to be fun |
| 18:10 |
benrob0329 |
Negative colors |
| 18:10 |
benrob0329 |
Amd randome FOVs |
| 18:10 |
benrob0329 |
*random |
| 18:11 |
twoelk |
being able to sway the view has been often requested |
| 18:11 |
Fixer |
nice feature indeed |
| 18:12 |
Fixer |
i would like to see UrbanTerror like physics in minetest, it is quite amazing in game |
| 18:12 |
Fixer |
as a mod |
| 18:12 |
benrob0329 |
Set speed to INF |
| 18:12 |
benrob0329 |
Or -INF |
| 18:12 |
Fixer |
UrT jump maps blow my mind |
| 18:13 |
benrob0329 |
someone should make a mod that allows you to change player physics from a nice formspec |
| 18:14 |
twoelk |
seems to need changes in core |
| 18:15 |
Calinou |
Fixer: I started playing UrT again after 3 years of inactivity, the gameplay still holds up well |
| 18:15 |
Calinou |
proprietary though :( and the graphics are even more dated now |
| 18:15 |
Calinou |
development is pretty sporadic too |
| 18:15 |
benrob0329 |
We need a kickstarter |
| 18:15 |
benrob0329 |
"Port Minetest Physics to Bullet" |
| 18:15 |
Calinou |
heh |
| 18:16 |
Calinou |
Bullet is nice but it's huge |
| 18:16 |
Calinou |
relevant Kickstarter: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/gdquest/make-professional-2d-games-godot-engine-online-cou |
| 18:16 |
benrob0329 |
So? Its used by most games/engines |
| 18:16 |
Calinou |
started yesterday, filled its goal yesterday |
| 18:16 |
benrob0329 |
There is also Newton |
| 18:16 |
Calinou |
now it has €12,200 right now |
| 18:16 |
Hijiri |
does bullet come for support for networked physics prediction etc? |
| 18:16 |
Calinou |
Hijiri: pretty sure you have to do that yourself, I don't think it makes assumption on your networking model |
| 18:17 |
Calinou |
networked + predicted physics range from "hard" to "impossible", too |
| 18:17 |
Calinou |
for example, the Source engine does not predict rigid bodies at all |
| 18:17 |
benrob0329 |
Source engine games handel fairly well |
| 18:17 |
benrob0329 |
*handle |
| 18:17 |
Calinou |
Source netcode is ok, but for some reason I find id Tech 3 netcode better |
| 18:17 |
Calinou |
ie. more lag-tolerant |
| 18:18 |
Calinou |
it does not come with hitscan unlagging though… but mods like OpenArena have added it |
| 18:18 |
Calinou |
making the game feel good to play even with 150 ms ping |
| 18:18 |
Hijiri |
then on the other hand you have japanese netcode |
| 18:18 |
Hijiri |
that assumes everyone is playing in japan |
| 18:18 |
benrob0329 |
funnily enough the only source engine game I play regularly is Gmod |
| 18:19 |
Calinou |
even CS:GO is not *that* lag/packet loss-tolerant, I find |
| 18:19 |
Calinou |
which is a bit sad to see, but I figure they don't want to give laggers an advantage |
| 18:20 |
Calinou |
if your netcode is nice, it does give laggers an advantage eventually |
| 18:20 |
benrob0329 |
Gmod handles mods much better unfortunately :-( |
| 18:20 |
benrob0329 |
Not that source is a good engine |
| 18:20 |
benrob0329 |
I mean it is, but its not |
| 18:21 |
Calinou |
Source is ultimately a very monkey-patched fancy QuakeWorld mod… |
| 18:21 |
Calinou |
DarkPlaces is only slightly worse than that |
| 18:21 |
Calinou |
Source at least did not keep QuakeC, and moved most things to C++, and broke Quake compatibility |
| 18:22 |
benrob0329 |
Calinou: how would Godot handle a Gmod style game? |
| 18:22 |
Calinou |
DarkPlaces has a fancy renderer, but it's still QuakeC (with a new compiler though since 2013, gmqcc) |
| 18:22 |
Calinou |
(you can run Quake inside Xonotic!) |
| 18:22 |
Calinou |
https://lut.im/kSQaANUCKi/6j2zd1opD7Zr9jLZ.jpg |
| 18:22 |
Calinou |
this is one of the servers in the Xonotic server list |
| 18:23 |
Calinou |
you join, and almost all of the game (except the font, as you can see) turns into Quake |
| 18:23 |
Calinou |
benrob0329: anyway, Godot doesn't have modding support right now |
| 18:23 |
Calinou |
it is unlikely to happen soon, sadly |
| 18:23 |
Calinou |
by modding support, I mean, the ability to load sandboxed code and assets |
| 18:23 |
benrob0329 |
I see |
| 18:23 |
Calinou |
we have an issue about it, https://github.com/godotengine/godot/issues/7753 |
| 18:24 |
benrob0329 |
I mean, Gdscript would be perfect |
| 18:24 |
Calinou |
this does sadden me a bit, I miss highly moddable engines like the aforementioned Quake-based engines |
| 18:24 |
Calinou |
(they are not *that* secure but have a bit of security at least) |
| 18:24 |
benrob0329 |
I might try to focus on Urho3D then |
| 18:24 |
benrob0329 |
but thats way down on the list |
| 18:28 |
Dumbeldor |
Oh shit Calinou, you advertise godotengine everywhere :D |
| 18:30 |
benrob0329 |
I don't see why he shouldn't :P |
| 18:34 |
Calinou |
I just find that Godot is best engine :P |
| 18:36 |
nerzhul |
slow like a turtle :p |
| 18:37 |
benrob0329 |
Slow and steady wins the race :PP |
| 18:46 |
Dumbeldor |
+1 nerzhul xD |
| 19:08 |
lisac |
Calinou, While I found Godot to be fully-featured and easy to use, it has incredibly low performance on my system :( |
| 19:08 |
lisac |
Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: ArchLinux • CPU: AMD A8-7600 Radeon R7, 10 Compute Cores 4C+6G (1.40GHz) • Memory: Physical: 5.6 GiB Total (4.5 GiB Free) Swap: 7.9 GiB Total (7.9 GiB Free) • Storage: 722.6 GB / 1.1 TB (363.2 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Kaveri [Radeon R7 Graphics] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 15h • Uptime: 4h 1m 3s |
| 19:08 |
lisac |
I also had a power outage today. Lost my 4 month uptime. |
| 19:09 |
cheapie |
Did someone say uptime? |
| 19:09 |
cheapie |
cheapietim:~$ ssh rootcheapiesystems.com -C uptime |
| 19:09 |
cheapie |
19:09:04 up 301 days, 19:03, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05 |
| 19:10 |
Calinou |
lisac: we don't really have anyone in the team who's knowledgeable about optimization… such people are rare |
| 19:10 |
VanessaE |
bleh, dac.com only has 173 uptime :P |
| 19:10 |
Calinou |
and often work in commercial gamedev companies already |
| 19:11 |
Calinou |
21:10:58 up 34 days, 7:50, 1 user, load average: 0,22, 0,33, 0,32 |
| 19:11 |
Calinou |
my VPS uptime ^ |
| 19:11 |
Calinou |
also, boo, SSH as root… |
| 19:11 |
lisac |
cheapie, are you using a system which doesn't have a shutdown feature? :D |
| 19:11 |
Calinou |
I hope you have fail2ban at least :P |
| 19:11 |
cheapie |
It's set up to not allow passwords for root, at least. |
| 19:11 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: ssh key-only auth :) |
| 19:11 |
Calinou |
right |
| 19:11 |
VanessaE |
lisac: maybe he uses k-splice :) |
| 19:12 |
VanessaE |
(or k-exec) |
| 19:12 |
cheapie |
No, I don't have anything fancy set up there. |
| 19:12 |
cheapie |
I'll probably reboot it once it hits a year. |
| 19:12 |
VanessaE |
why? :) |
| 19:13 |
cheapie |
Dunno, I haven't thought about why yet :P |
| 19:13 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 19:13 |
Calinou |
uptime funk :D |
| 19:13 |
Calinou |
(people at SUSE made a parody) |
| 19:14 |
cheapie |
I did get into this conversation recently: https://gist.github.com/cheapie/7b14679781b02022c9dcc5250a88bc62 |
| 19:15 |
Calinou |
what distro do your servers run, cheapie/VanessaE? |
| 19:15 |
Calinou |
mine is on Ubuntu 16.04 since I moved hosts back in March |
| 19:15 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: debian |
| 19:15 |
Calinou |
works pretty well, is systemd-based |
| 19:15 |
Calinou |
Debian 9 still isn't released, and I'd rather not use testing on a server |
| 19:17 |
cheapie |
Debian here too. |
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| 19:18 |
tenplus1 |
hi folks |
| 19:18 |
Amaz |
Hi ten :) |
| 19:18 |
tenplus1 |
hi amaz :P |
| 19:18 |
Raven262 |
Hello tenplus1 |
| 19:19 |
Raven262 |
Hello Amaz |
| 19:19 |
Raven262 |
*Ave Amaz |
| 19:19 |
Raven262 |
:O |
| 19:19 |
tenplus1 |
hi raven |
| 19:19 |
cheapie |
tenplus1: Got any uptime to show off? :P |
| 19:19 |
tenplus1 |
hi cheapie, I think longest uptime without issue was 84hrs |
| 19:20 |
cheapie |
[14:09:17] <cheapie> 19:09:04 up 301 days, 19:03, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05 |
| 19:20 |
tenplus1 |
lol, how many mods you running ? :PPP |
| 19:20 |
cheapie |
We weren't discussing MT in particular, it's not like this is... wait, never mind :P |
| 19:21 |
tenplus1 |
only error we get now is the serialize.h and I've sanitized every entity we have running.. cant figure where it's coming from |
| 19:21 |
tenplus1 |
oh you mean pc uptime.. lol... I always turn it off before bed :D |
| 19:22 |
cheapie |
My main box is at 17 days, and my home servers are up to 59. That 301 is my VPS. |
| 19:22 |
lisac |
cheapie, That's cheating |
| 19:22 |
lisac |
I had 4months on my PC |
| 19:23 |
tenplus1 |
I think Shinji (Xanadu owner) has had server running constantly since mk.3 was installed... so since april last year :D |
| 19:23 |
Raven262 |
I would also have big uptime if my pc didn't go lagging as hell every time i leave it up more than 8 hours :P |
| 19:23 |
tenplus1 |
hi lisac |
| 19:23 |
cheapie |
Whatever, at least my VPS is beating VanessaE's dedicated server :P |
| 19:23 |
lisac |
Hi tenplus1. |
| 19:23 |
lisac |
Raven262, Install Arch. |
| 19:24 |
lisac |
Arch>That Mint thing you are using |
| 19:24 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 19:24 |
red-001 |
hey Fuchs since OC got k-lined could you lift my ban on #minetest-project or is that not something you are allowed to do? |
| 19:24 |
tenplus1 |
pfft... Xanadu runs on Lubuntu 16.04 LTS ... stable as a rock |
| 19:24 |
VanessaE |
well it doesn't help that every 6-12 months I up- or down-grade the hardware :P |
| 19:24 |
Raven262 |
Nothing > Lisac's pc. |
| 19:24 |
red-001 |
Raven262, lol |
| 19:24 |
* lisac |
> Opeth - Harvest.mp3 - [ Blackwater Park #3 ] - [ 00:03 / 06:01 ] |
| 19:24 |
cheapie |
I've been considering downgrading mine, now that they have a cheaper plan than the one I'm on. |
| 19:25 |
lisac |
cheapie, What are you using it for? MT? |
| 19:25 |
tenplus1 |
hrm, isnt the /clear_chat_queue a bit long winded... cant we just type /clear |
| 19:25 |
cheapie |
lisac: Nope, just for ZNC + a website. |
| 19:25 |
lisac |
hm okay. |
| 19:25 |
lisac |
tenplus1, Or /c |
| 19:25 |
cheapie |
It's Linode's $10/month plan. |
| 19:25 |
tenplus1 |
or even /cls |
| 19:26 |
lisac |
or maybe allow binding chatcommands to keys |
| 19:26 |
tenplus1 |
heheheh |
| 19:26 |
red-001 |
lisac, c55 was working on something like that iirc |
| 19:26 |
lisac |
hey DOTA2 got a performance patch today. |
| 19:26 |
lisac |
red-001, I'll google for it |
| 19:27 |
lisac |
Shouldn't that be CSM? |
| 19:28 |
lisac |
#3856 |
| 19:28 |
lisac |
oh wait this is not -dev |
| 19:28 |
red-001 |
lol |
| 19:30 |
* Wayward_One |
peeks in |
| 19:31 |
tenplus1 |
hi wayward |
| 19:32 |
tenplus1 |
*coff coff* https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1543 |
| 19:33 |
Wayward_One |
Hello ten :) |
| 19:33 |
Raven262 |
lisac, our internet connection is dying for some reason. |
| 19:33 |
lisac |
No idea why, Raven. Maybe because we are both updating DOTA? |
| 19:33 |
Raven262 |
Nah. |
| 19:36 |
tenplus1 |
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/WealthyParchedBlackpanther-mobile.mp4 |
| 19:43 |
Calinou |
my VPS specs: 8 cores, 15 GB of RAM (yes, 15, not 16), 60 GB SSD, 100 Mb/s unmetered bandwidth at least (often more, in practice) |
| 19:43 |
Calinou |
all this on KVM |
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Calinou |
(no OpenVZ, yay) |
| 19:43 |
tenplus1 |
hi Cal... hi octacian |
| 19:43 |
Raven262 |
How 15? xD |
| 19:44 |
Calinou |
I don't know why the provider made it be 15 GB of RAM instead of 16 GB, but it's plenty for me anyway |
| 19:44 |
Calinou |
I use 3.6 GB right now with all my game servers running |
| 19:44 |
Raven262 |
lol |
| 19:44 |
lisac |
Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: ArchLinux • CPU: AMD A8-7600 Radeon R7, 10 Compute Cores 4C+6G (1.40GHz) • Memory: Physical: 5.6 GiB Total (4.1 GiB Free) Swap: 7.9 GiB Total (7.9 GiB Free) • Storage: 723.0 GB / 1.1 TB (362.8 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Kaveri [Radeon R7 Graphics] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 15h • Uptime: 4h 37m 1s |
| 19:44 |
lisac |
what's the use of 15GB? |
| 19:44 |
Calinou |
(and netdata taking 400 MB for itself, due to having set 24-hour history instead of the 1-hour default) |
| 19:44 |
Calinou |
^ it'd take less RAM if I enabled kernel deduplication, haven't done that yet |
| 19:44 |
Calinou |
lisac: game servers can be quite RAM-heavy :P |
| 19:44 |
lisac |
lol, but 15G? |
| 19:45 |
Calinou |
my server sits at 4.5%-5% of global CPU usage right now |
| 19:45 |
lisac |
have you ever used even 10GB? :D |
| 19:45 |
Calinou |
nope |
| 19:45 |
lisac |
lol |
| 19:45 |
Raven262 |
well, make -j usually does the thing. |
| 19:46 |
Raven262 |
lisac did that at least. |
| 19:46 |
lisac |
:( |
| 19:46 |
Raven262 |
thats when he learned the difference between -j4 and -j 4 |
| 19:47 |
lisac |
At least I learned it, Raven. |
| 19:48 |
Raven262 |
Heh. |
| 19:48 |
* Raven262 |
never had to test it himself. |
| 19:50 |
Raven262 |
Cause learning from other people's mistakes is usually easier. |
| 19:50 |
Raven262 |
Testing. |
| 19:50 |
Raven262 |
Tis works? |
| 19:51 |
Raven262 |
Good, i wasn't disconnected for too long. |
| 19:52 |
Shara |
lisac: I once had a test server using 13GB RAM |
| 19:53 |
Shara |
Or possibly more. The machine had 16GB and almost maxed out between MT and one other thing that only used a little |
| 19:54 |
tenplus1 |
hi shara |
| 19:54 |
Shara |
Hi ten :P |
| 19:55 |
Raven262 |
Hello Shara |
| 19:55 |
Shara |
Hi Raven262 :) |
| 20:03 |
benrob0329 |
Hi tenplus |
| 20:04 |
benrob0329 |
1 |
| 20:05 |
Fuchs |
red-001: we don't lift bans set by other operators, no. You can ask any operator from that channel though |
| 20:06 |
tenplus1 |
hi benrob |
| 20:08 |
red-001 |
Fuchs, oh ok |
| 20:08 |
red-001 |
I don't mind much |
| 20:11 |
Jordach |
Minetest cloak wen |
| 20:11 |
red-001 |
hey whoever is in charge of the regulars list could I be listed as a minetest contributer? |
| 20:11 |
red-001 |
it's more accurate then mod writer in any case |
| 20:13 |
red-001 |
my mods aren't really mention worthy |
| 20:13 |
* tenplus1 |
opens #minetest-donut |
| 20:13 |
red-001 |
tenplus1, you lier you didn't join the channel |
| 20:13 |
* tenplus1 |
eated it |
| 20:16 |
celeron55 |
red-001: will change the listing at some point |
| 20:17 |
Fuchs |
however, as at least for now he is not welcome on the network, I doubt this is going to happen |
| 20:18 |
benrob0329 |
octacian_: perhaps adding a hammer for tool repair would help with the workbench PR |
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| 20:19 |
tenplus1 |
wb octacian |
| 20:19 |
Shara |
I wonder if I am the only one who hates tool repair.... |
| 20:19 |
benrob0329 |
octacian: Having each workbench tool be able to have a small formspec |
| 20:19 |
octacian |
benrob0329: That could be a really good idea. |
| 20:20 |
Shara |
It means once you have a full set of the best tools, you never need to get the high elvel materials for the again |
| 20:20 |
Shara |
level* |
| 20:20 |
octacian |
Maybe add tabs to the formspec, one for renaming and one for repair? Or I could combine them |
| 20:20 |
Shara |
them* |
| 20:20 |
benrob0329 |
octacian: tabs are messy |
| 20:20 |
octacian |
Shara: Yes, but they will still be slower so it will still be really usefull |
| 20:21 |
octacian |
benrob0329: Yes, that just occurred to me |
| 20:21 |
Shara |
Slower? |
| 20:21 |
octacian |
The tools will still break nodes slower |
| 20:21 |
benrob0329 |
I think having say, the nametag put a rename box up, and a hammer put a repair (possibly costing materials) spec up would be nice |
| 20:21 |
tenplus1 |
would prefer a recipe like (tool + tool ingot) = repaired |
| 20:21 |
octacian |
So it's more than worth making new tools |
| 20:22 |
Shara |
Complete agreement with Ten |
| 20:22 |
benrob0329 |
But too many things need recipes |
| 20:22 |
tenplus1 |
that way it's nice n simple to repair and you use actual ingots to do so... |
| 20:22 |
octacian |
Maybe tool + tool ingot in the workbench to add some complexity to it? |
| 20:22 |
Shara |
Yea |
| 20:22 |
octacian |
Because I feel like that is too easy |
| 20:22 |
benrob0329 |
hear me out real quick |
| 20:23 |
Amaz |
Or maybe even tool, tool material and hammer? |
| 20:23 |
Shara |
I just think hitting a diamond tool with a hammer is....well, silly, and also a lazy approach |
| 20:23 |
tenplus1 |
yeh |
| 20:23 |
benrob0329 |
hammer changes top formspec to repair |
| 20:23 |
octacian |
The tool material by itself should be fine. |
| 20:23 |
benrob0329 |
and you add materials to repair the tool |
| 20:23 |
tenplus1 |
octacian: did you get anywhere with builtin_item changes btw ? |
| 20:24 |
benrob0329 |
That way, youd be hammering in say, iron to repair it (doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but not much does in mtg) |
| 20:25 |
octacian |
My current thought: When you put in the tool material instead of a nametag, half the tool's wear is restored. Possibly also allow renaming at the same time. |
| 20:25 |
benrob0329 |
Combining tools is a bad idea imo |
| 20:25 |
octacian |
Yes |
| 20:26 |
benrob0329 |
Let the nametag be a nametag |
| 20:26 |
octacian |
But using the material to repair the tool seems worthwhile |
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| 20:26 |
benrob0329 |
yes |
| 20:26 |
tenplus1 |
yep... a lot more realistic |
| 20:26 |
benrob0329 |
Or hammer + material |
| 20:27 |
rubenwardy |
#rubenbot |
| 20:27 |
rubenwardy |
urrr |
| 20:27 |
rubenwardy |
there was meant to be a /join there |
| 20:27 |
octacian |
Yeah. If nametag is inserted then field is shown, otherwise if the material is inserted then a repair button is shown. 1 of the tool material will repair half wear. |
| 20:27 |
rubenwardy |
at least I didn't type |
| 20:27 |
octacian |
Sound good? |
| 20:27 |
rubenwardy |
msg NickServ identify rubenwardy hunter2 |
| 20:28 |
cheapie |
[15:27:44] <rubenwardy> msg NickServ identify rubenwardy ******* |
| 20:28 |
cheapie |
Looks good to me! :P |
| 20:28 |
benrob0329 |
octacian: seems good to me aswell |
| 20:28 |
benrob0329 |
Perhaps other tools could define other formspecs as needed |
| 20:28 |
octacian |
I don't think that's needed. |
| 20:29 |
benrob0329 |
But it'd be handy for modding, can come later though |
| 20:29 |
octacian |
tenplus1: Yes, I'm making some progress. Having an issue with stuff flowing through blocks/walls though. Wouldn't mind a hand with that soon. |
| 20:29 |
tenplus1 |
floating through blocks ? |
| 20:30 |
tenplus1 |
dropped items should be physical so bounce off things like that |
| 20:30 |
octacian |
When pushed by water, items flow through blocks rather than being stopped by the blocks. |
| 20:30 |
tenplus1 |
did you remove any checks ? |
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| 20:30 |
octacian |
What I've been noticing is that somehow the item is changed to not be physical for a second. But I haven't found any place that does so. |
| 20:31 |
octacian |
I don't think I removed any checks. |
| 20:31 |
benrob0329 |
octacian: ill try to redo the item animation (ie give it a bit of a bounce) when I get a chanse |
| 20:31 |
octacian |
I could put the code in a gist maybe. |
| 20:31 |
tenplus1 |
yes plz, would like to see what you changed... |
| 20:31 |
octacian |
It's essentially a complete rewrite, based off jordan4ibanez's item_drop and your builtin_item |
| 20:32 |
octacian |
So, this one isn't really a PR-worthy item, more of personal project |
| 20:32 |
benrob0329 |
Ah |
| 20:32 |
tenplus1 |
ahh, I remember you said my own could be cut back by a 100 lines or so :D was curious how |
| 20:32 |
benrob0329 |
I still might redo that animation |
| 20:32 |
benrob0329 |
But I might do a lot of things |
| 20:33 |
octacian |
Those 100 lines are in the water flow functions, and that's where I seem to be having the issue. |
| 20:33 |
octacian |
They for one could be made mergable. |
| 20:33 |
octacian |
https://gist.github.com/octacian/8bd7f000dfb2748e6802ef6b151f33ea |
| 20:34 |
octacian |
Water flow functions at top, called on line 148 and flowing items are supposedly stopped on line 180 |
| 20:35 |
tenplus1 |
thanks... saved so I can look at it on my next day off :D |
| 20:36 |
tenplus1 |
k, I sleepnow :) nite all |
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rubenwardy |
est31 posted this earlier, but: https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/projects/?sp-search=Terasology |
| 21:31 |
Wayward_One |
can an op remove wayward1[m] please? not really sure how to get rid of that one, and it's just hanging around |
| 21:31 |
rubenwardy |
quite cool |
| 21:31 |
rubenwardy |
Terasology is also a not-for-profit organisation now |
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wayward1[m] was kicked by nerzhul: wayward1[m] |
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noBotHere was kicked by nerzhul: noBotHere |
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rubenwardy |
noBotHere was red-001 btw (a backup BNC) |
| 21:34 |
red-001 |
huh I guess panicbnc also removed auto rejoin I though I had that enabled |
| 21:34 |
Calinou |
rubenwardy: I almost applied for GSoC at Terasology |
| 21:35 |
Calinou |
ended up not doing so because of my internship, not very high programming skills (:() and because Terasology is meh in the end |
| 21:35 |
Wayward_One |
thanks nerzhul :) |
| 21:41 |
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| 21:46 |
Fixer |
terasology stutters less but freezes insanely |
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| 21:46 |
Fixer |
also, it feel claustrophobic in some strange way |
| 21:49 |
benrob0329 |
Fixer: its the blur |
| 21:49 |
benrob0329 |
You feel like your trapped in your own bad eyesight |
| 22:05 |
* red-001 |
wonders if rubenwardy is setting up his own znc server |
| 22:06 |
benrob0329 |
who needs znc when you have weechat :P |
| 22:07 |
rubenwardy |
oh, it crashed |
| 22:07 |
* Jordach |
starts singing Southern Nights |
| 22:07 |
red-001 |
I still don't know what the deal with weechat is |
| 22:07 |
red-001 |
why is it so much better? |
| 22:07 |
benrob0329 |
weechat has relaying functionality |
| 22:07 |
benrob0329 |
and supports a chrapton of plugins |
| 22:08 |
benrob0329 |
so like, i dont have to have a crappy irc client on my phone |
| 22:08 |
red-001 |
well thats neat but does it save your messages when you are offline? |
| 22:08 |
benrob0329 |
or an alt username for different computer |
| 22:08 |
red-001 |
I suppose so |
| 22:08 |
Jordach |
Fuchs, Quassel ;) |
| 22:08 |
benrob0329 |
my weechat server runs constantly |
| 22:09 |
benrob0329 |
on my Rpi2 |
| 22:09 |
red-001 |
I use a bnc mostly to save messages when my connection breaks |
| 22:09 |
Jordach |
Fuchs, no bugs on win64 |
| 22:09 |
benrob0329 |
which is actually underneeth my desk atm |
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| 22:09 |
benrob0329 |
so im SSHed into my pi, using tmux to have a constant weechat session that i can pull up at any moment |
| 22:10 |
red-001 |
night |
| 22:10 |
benrob0329 |
gnight |
| 22:10 |
Jordach |
>tmux |
| 22:10 |
Jordach |
use sc*reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee*n |
| 22:10 |
benrob0329 |
do i care? no. |
| 22:10 |
nerzhul |
tmux powa |
| 22:10 |
nerzhul |
screen is shit |
| 22:11 |
Jordach |
>tfw low quality bait taken |
| 22:11 |
nerzhul |
screen is not maintained anymore, tmux is and is powerful than screen |
| 22:11 |
nerzhul |
why multiple logging , |
| 22:11 |
benrob0329 |
all i use it for is to keep weechat running inbetween ssh logins |
| 22:11 |
nore |
after the emacs/vim religion war, the screen/tmux war |
| 22:11 |
red-001 |
stops log manipulation? |
| 22:11 |
nerzhul |
nore both emacs and vim are maintained and there is neovim |
| 22:11 |
benrob0329 |
nore: the vim/emacs war is never over |
| 22:12 |
nerzhul |
screen is just dead and unmaintable |
| 22:12 |
nore |
benrob0329: I'm not saying it is over :) |
| 22:12 |
benrob0329 |
technically i can pull up logs for anyone, so we have at least 3 loggers |
| 22:12 |
benrob0329 |
not that i hand them out to just anyone |
| 22:14 |
* benrob0329 |
opens up new blender project |
| 22:14 |
benrob0329 |
>adds speaker instead of camera |
| 22:16 |
* Jordach |
jaw drops on the floor |
| 22:16 |
Jordach |
and i'm leaving it there |
| 22:16 |
Jordach |
https://i.imgur.com/XrbfkQV.mp4 |
| 22:16 |
Fixer |
Quassel has confusing UI, hexchat too, or maybe I need to really start clicking things |
| 22:18 |
* benrob0329 |
's jaw drops as well |
| 22:18 |
benrob0329 |
how? HOW??? |
| 22:19 |
Fixer |
Jordach: japanese (tm) |
| 22:20 |
Jordach |
FeelsBadMan |
| 22:20 |
Jordach |
https://imgur.com/gallery/V6XOD |
| 22:24 |
Fixer |
Jordach: Benny Hill Show |
| 22:53 |
Fixer |
need to beg few guys https://github.com/minetest-mods/moreores/issues/13 |
| 23:38 |
Fixer |
https://twitter.com/m8urnett/status/866353982217699328 too much spying/telemetry |
| 23:54 |
rubenwardy |
paramat, https://watabou.itch.io/medieval-fantasy-city-generator |
| 23:55 |
rubenwardy |
can't remember if you're in to village generation |
