IRC log for #minetest-hub, 2017-05-24

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00:24	nore	yay
00:29	paramat	rubenwardy thanks, i got your message about this before
00:29	rubenwardy	oh, sorry :)
00:29	paramat	no prob :]
00:30	paramat	i'm interested in procedural architecture just not of the medieval villge kind
00:31	paramat	those kind of historic structures don't interest me. i like modern and scifi type structures
00:33	paramat	(but probably not this channel)
00:33	benrob0329	sigh blender has been stuck for a good several minutes now..
00:35	* Wayward_One	recommends WD-40
00:36	benrob0329	Wayward_One: not sure how to spray it if blender wont even update its window to show itself
00:37	benrob0329	i managed to un-stuck it using the power of time travel though :D
00:37	benrob0329	(aka kill and reload autosave)
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00:54	shivajiva	want to see what he's writing?
01:18	shivajiva	D13HARD: let me know when it's okay :)
01:29	VanessaE	t[off] she*
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01:50	Sokomine	rubenwardy: i'm doing the city generation. but i can't see much on that page. are there any screenshots? anything that works without js?
01:52	rubenwardy	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-Upvp_XoAAF4oo.jpg
01:52	rubenwardy	can't find any source
01:53	rubenwardy	it's interesting at least
01:53	rubenwardy	although not very MT related, as they would be a lot of difficulties in making it work with ungenerated MapBlocks and varying terrain
01:56	Sokomine	did you ever take a look at my mg_villages, rubenwardy? it does quite a lot in that regard. it's based on nores village generation
01:56	Sokomine	rubenwardy: that generator looks more like a town/city generator
01:57	rubenwardy	yeah, that works surprisingly well
01:57	rubenwardy	was quite impressed with it
01:57	Sokomine	ah. fine :-)
01:57	rubenwardy	although wish it was faster, but that's Minetest's fault
01:58	Sokomine	there are still issues. the ends of the main road sometimes end up burried. that's not so nice and realistic
01:58	Sokomine	hm. it's pretty fast. i do not have any speed issues
01:58	Sokomine	what hw do you run it on?
02:01	benrob0329	Clearly a quantum E3 from google :P
02:01	Sokomine	no idea how fast those are
02:01	rubenwardy	i5 @ 2.5 GHz
02:02	Sokomine	how many players are running around and exploring? that's not exactly weak hardware after all
02:03	VanessaE	bbl
02:03	rubenwardy	this was quite a while ago, btw
02:05	Sokomine	ah. perhaps you ought to test the most recent versions again. i did not encounter any speed issues
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02:17	* nore	should work on a constructions-centered mapgen sometime
02:18	nore	With ruins, mines, roads, bridges, tunnels, and the like :)
02:31	Sokomine	:-)
02:32	Sokomine	well, you did start the one with the villages :-) i don't really understand yet how all that noise works
02:33	benrob0329	Mineyoshi is talking about leavinv because offtopic was nuked
02:33	benrob0329	Tbh I'm not surprised
02:34	benrob0329	Almost 5k posts, 99% of them are in offtopic
02:34	rubenwardy	60% actually, but not far off
02:35	benrob0329	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=17674
02:35	benrob0329	He's spot on, actually.
02:47	paramat	ugh 5000 posts of '+1' :]
02:49	paramat	erm, what command do i use to grep the mods directory of MTGame? i've tried recursive '-r' but no success
02:52	paramat	nevermind got it
02:57	paramat	thanks rubber duckies :]
03:26	paramat	i'll merge game#1742 in an hour
03:27	paramat	wrong channel
03:38	benrob0329	(Offtopic) https://youtu.be/MikoF6KZjm0
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05:52	Raven262	http://i.imgur.com/9dyAyzx.png <---- Four biomes intersecting at one place.
06:04	Raven262	Hello lumidify
06:05	lumidify	Hi Raven262
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06:41	red-001	hello dax
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07:04	red-001	offtopic has spread and now its consuming the whole forum
07:06	Raven262	Yes.
07:06	Raven262	That has to stop.
07:06	Raven262	It is killing the forums.
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07:14	Raven262	Someone should look at the offtopic... Seeing that he made those trolls enraged now :P
07:14	paramat	this +1 by MineYoshi is funny and pointless https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=272074#p272074
07:15	Raven262	+1
07:15	Raven262	xD
07:15	paramat	ABJ is acting so what is the +1 for? if it's a +1 for silencing useless posts the +1 is a useless post (one of 5000)
07:16	paramat	amusing
07:18	Raven262	One could never know.
07:18	Raven262	Maybe both though.
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07:47	Jordach	http://i.imgur.com/xGRaDz7.mp4
07:55	Raven262	ok i saw that already xD
08:06	paramat	naughty dungeon master
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12:03	Zeno`	VanessaE, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU3RKda9S2w
12:03	* Zeno`	bops
12:04	* Zeno`	grabs VanessaE and dances
12:04	Zeno`	honey, I'm still free; take a chance on me
12:05	* Zeno`	throws VanessaE up into the air and catches her
12:06	Zeno`	Oh, all the things I could do... if I had a little money
12:07	Zeno`	I wasn't jealous before we met
12:08	Zeno`	Don't go wasting your emotions
12:08	Zeno`	lay all your on me
12:08	Zeno`	love on me*
12:08	shivajiva	Hi Zeno o/
12:08	Zeno`	shivajiva!!!!1
12:09	Zeno`	shivajiva, it's ABBA hour
12:09	* Zeno`	throws VanessaE aside and dances with shivajiva
12:10	shivajiva	Knowing you, knowing me aha
12:10	Zeno`	take it easy
12:10	Zeno`	try to cool it down, take it nice and slow
12:10	shivajiva	your light on yer feet fred :)
12:11	* Zeno`	hits the alarm bell
12:11	Zeno`	I was sitting by the phone, waiting all alone
12:11	Zeno`	Dark and dreary night
12:11	Zeno`	nothing's going right
12:11	Zeno`	How can I go on here without you?
12:12	Zeno`	You're so hot, teasing me
12:13	shivajiva	Cause he's the man in the middle, never second fiddle
12:13	Zeno`	:-o
12:13	shivajiva	Just like a spider in a cobweb
12:13	Zeno`	shivajiva, I have a secret
12:14	shivajiva	Hard as a hammer, not the kind of boss you double-cross
12:14	Zeno`	shivajiva, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcDy8HEg1QY
12:14	shivajiva	Nooooooooooo
12:14	Zeno`	lol
12:15	Zeno`	oh yeah!
12:15	* Zeno`	gets down
12:15	shivajiva	where did you come from, where did you go
12:16	Zeno`	where did ya come from cotton eye Joe?
12:16	Zeno`	If it wasn't for cotton eyed joe I'd have been a long time ago
12:20	Zeno`	The love parade (Berlin, Germany)!!!!!!!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXxJeEMmFDM
12:21	Zeno`	Hmm, I think it is anyway. sfan5, Fuchs or Sokomine can probably confirm
12:22	Fuchs	I'm afraid I'm not terribly German or Loveparade bound :p
12:22	Zeno`	lol ok :)
12:22	sfan5	looks a lot like it
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12:25	Sokomine	er, confirm what?
12:28	Zeno`	Sokomine, the love parade!
12:29	Zeno`	Sokomine, is this at that location? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXxJeEMmFDM
12:29	red-001	so why are we talking about gay rights now?
12:29	Zeno`	we're not. We're talking about the love parade
12:29	red-001	I mean we do tend to get offtopic but it's ussually not this far
12:30	red-001	oh nvm
12:30	Sokomine	ah. i think it got a bit less popular after that disaster in duisburg
12:30	* red-001	looked it up
12:30	lisac	hey red-001, any idea how to add a cpp file to the build process in MT?
12:30	Zeno`	I think it's closed (non existent) now
12:30	lisac	I was hoping it'd do it automatically, but it won't
12:31	Sokomine	lisac: edit the makefile?
12:31	red-001	lisac, what Sokomine said
12:31	lisac	Isn't there a more clean solution? :)
12:31	red-001	edit the cmake file
12:31	Zeno`	well, cmake
12:31	Zeno`	yeah
12:32	red-001	CMakeLists.txt
12:32	Zeno`	cmake generates the Makefiles, so adding it anywhere else doesn't make sense
12:33	red-001	plus the make file should be harder to edit
12:33	lisac	I know I'm supposed to edit the CMakeLists.txt, but there is no file list there.
12:33	Zeno`	red-001, and overwritten next time cmake is run
12:33	red-001	lisac, where are you trying to add the file?
12:33	red-001	Zeno`, that too
12:34	red-001	lisac, could you push your changes to github and send me a link?
12:34	lisac	red-001, sure.
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12:36	Zeno`	red-001, if you're helping lisac don't forget to update the android build as well
12:37	Zeno`	the new file will have to be added there as well
12:37	red-001	yeah I know
12:38	Zeno`	k, just making sure ;)
12:38	red-001	it pretty dumb that it works like that
12:38	red-001	kinda breaks the point of cmake
12:38	Zeno`	yeah, it's just the way it is atm though :(
12:39	Zeno`	the android build, in case you hadn't noticed, is kind of neglected
12:40	Zeno`	sucks I know. But it's the way it is
12:40	Zeno`	Android dev of this kind is annoying and I for one gave up heheh
12:41	Zeno`	I think sfan5 is more active in that area
12:41	red-001	a bit strange when you consider that most of the players use android builds
12:41	Zeno`	yeah it is
12:41	Zeno`	But it's tedious
12:41	red-001	well I suppose andoird dev is harder
12:42	Zeno`	not harder really.... just, well, tedious
12:42	Zeno`	(I find it so anyway_
12:43	Fixer	looked into commits, only roughly 20% of commits were related to minetest_game
12:43	sfan5	the android build is very neglected
12:44	Zeno`	sfan5, agree
12:44	sfan5	red-001: what's is missing is mostly polish and someone doing interface desing correctly, nothing hard
12:44	sfan5	design*
12:47	nerzhul	the problem is cross compiling with cmake which is not very... easy
12:48	Zeno`	unlike some other devs I am not opposed to so-called "unofficial" android build as long as they comply with the license
12:48	Zeno`	None of us seem to want to deal with Android and as long as the builds are compliant, who cares?
12:49	Zeno`	That's what FOSS is about
12:50	nerzhul	yeah, but personnaly as a MT contributor, seeing cowards doing money without adding any value to android build and publishing with adds on playstore makes me angry
12:50	red-001	ones that ask the users to pay to use fly, etc are annoying imo
12:50	nerzhul	i just want to DCMA all those shit and close our license to non commercial
12:50	nerzhul	except explicit agreement
12:51	Zeno`	nerzhul, yeah I can understand that. I've put a lot of time into the code as well (as you know) but if they comply with the license that I agreed with before even starting to contribute then I have nothing to complain about
12:52	shivajiva	VIP required to fly is naughty when you just did 3 skyblock levels got the fly priv and then are asked to pay to use it
12:53	Zeno`	nerzhul, they're allowed to make money
12:53	Zeno`	it's in the license
12:53	nerzhul	Zeno`, those fuckers (sorry to be rude but i'm angry about them) make me just very angry and want to fork, add specific closed library and redistribute a nuke about them
12:53	Zeno`	the license that I knew was in place before I wrote a single character of code
12:53	nerzhul	yes i know
12:54	nerzhul	but it just shows free licenses are limited when you port it to mobile some fuckers make money on your job live with your job
12:54	Zeno`	yes, but c55 chose the license and we accepted it when we started to contribute
12:54	nerzhul	it's why project should have been ported by a foundation, to nuke all of them by adding some goals, communications, etc
12:54	nerzhul	yes yes i know, but that doesn't change my mind :p
12:55	nerzhul	i need to hide a segfault on their client when it's not called minetest
12:55	nerzhul	:p
12:55	Zeno`	you think I like people making a living off code I write?
12:55	Zeno`	I don't. I hate it. But the choice was mine
12:55	shivajiva	nerzhul: lol
12:55	nerzhul	or make their game unplayable :p
12:55	nerzhul	and forbid them in serverlist bye bye
12:55	nerzhul	but somes are real players (how many, 1 over 100)
12:57	Zeno`	There are not many (if any?) servers that don't use the official code
12:58	Zeno`	anyway, as long as the cloners honour the license then there is nothing we can do about it
12:58	nerzhul	servers ? no, but clients yes
12:58	nerzhul	and money is taken on clients not servers
12:59	Zeno`	nerzhul, do you know of any client that is not compliant with the license?
13:00	nerzhul	no, but i known which coward takes money over our head and laugh because he doesn't do anything than renaming our game.
13:01	Zeno`	Unfortunately the license allows them to do that
13:01	Zeno`	So there is no point getting upset about it
13:01	nerzhul	offtopic: i just published a tool which scan and run git fetch on all your home directories automagicly
13:01	nerzhul	https://github.com/nerzhul/gitscanner
13:02	Zeno`	I actually prefer the BSD style licenses
13:02	nerzhul	you run it in background and then git repositories are automaticly fetched, next step is to do real pull when fetch shows updates and the current branch is clear
13:02	nerzhul	i prefer BSD license too for my tools
13:02	Zeno`	and with those "freedom" is even more prominent
13:02	nerzhul	but MT is different
13:02	nerzhul	cowards take our work and do money on ALL our work, it's not jsut a library embedded in a valuable program
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13:04	nerzhul	Zeno`, i like the BSD license, look https://github.com/WinterWind/WinterWind :)
13:04	nerzhul	it's not a perfect library but with this lib you can do REST servers in C++ easily :p
13:05	Fixer	i do dislike this too, that some people just rip off other people hard work and make from it, but showing ads down kid throats
13:06	Fixer	if only it was possible to filter rogue clients from joining any servers...
13:06	VanessaE	nerzhul: I'd be okay with non-commercial re-license btw
13:07	Fixer	on the other hand it is question about only client: multicraft
13:07	Zeno`	look I dislike it as well, BUT I am not angry that they do it
13:07	Fixer	mostly one client*
13:08	Zeno`	because they're legitimately allowed to do it. It says so in our license.
13:08	nerzhul	Fixer, it's not very possible as there is no version string with product name sent to server
13:08	Zeno`	You all know my stance so I'd rather not talk about it anymore and create animosity
13:08	Fixer	Zeno`: unfortunate
13:08	Zeno`	Fixer, it's the way it is
13:08	nerzhul	or just relicense our official game to non commercial and they can't use it for their client but engine yes
13:09	Fixer	yep
13:09	Fixer	yep was for Zeno
13:09	nerzhul	many network issues are due to android clients who connects to server :(
13:09	Fixer	nerzhul: on the other hand they don't need game anyway since they leach our servers
13:10	nerzhul	yes generally
13:12	Fixer	nerzhul: on the onther hand i would like to see this modified to contain word Minetest: https://i.imgur.com/DVcn72e.png
13:12	nerzhul	This can be a solution because it's owned by minetest
13:12	Fixer	iirc, each time you join, you see this in chat, word minetest should be mentioned when connecting to any minetest server
13:12	nerzhul	some clients are easy to find as they don't use our version scheme
13:12	nerzhul	example multicraft 1.1
13:13	nerzhul	it's not minetest
13:13	Fixer	server owners should also put few signs on their boards to indicate kids: if you get ads = you are scammed
13:13	nerzhul	just look at that, send them them a message in red blood with 150px size :p
13:13	Fixer	lool
13:13	Fixer	blood moon
13:14	Fixer	nerzhul: just some kind of notification, so people can understand they are playing on a rip off that sucks money off you or shows ads down your kid throat
13:14	Fixer	server admin should participate in that
13:15	Fixer	by placing a damn sign somewhere
13:15	Fixer	or on formspec
13:16	nerzhul	yeah we should have some consensus about that
13:18	Zeno`	for Fixer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiIF_2sAQXY
13:18	benrob0329	Hello all
13:19	rubenwardy	basically all Minetest forks on the play store with ads are illegal
13:19	rubenwardy	as they're almost definitely combining proprietary code with LGPL code
13:20	Fixer	rubenwardy: some apps are even beg for money
13:20	rubenwardy	and even if they rewrite the Java section, they probably don't allow relinking
13:20	Zeno`	rubenwardy, you're allowed to do that
13:20	shivajiva	Hi benrob, ruben o/
13:20	shivajiva	Hi Fixer :P
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13:20	nerzhul	rubenwardy, if there is legal issue with ads i can just push DCMA if you have the proof
13:20	rubenwardy	Zeno`, any modifications to LGPL code must be licensed as LGPL
13:20	Fixer	hi
13:20	nerzhul	it's easy and in 1 month they are all removed
13:21	rubenwardy	however you can use LGPL as a library for proprietary code
13:21	Zeno`	rubenwardy, read the license again ;)
13:21	nerzhul	wrong, you can add GPLv3 code
13:21	rubenwardy	stop being predantic
13:21	rubenwardy	you know what I mean :)
13:21	Zeno`	yes, and besides that on android "native apps" are libs
13:22	Zeno`	the java or whatever launches the lib
13:22	Zeno`	there is no violation
13:22	rubenwardy	also, I read the full license a day ago to write
13:22	rubenwardy	!g minetest complying with license site:dev.minetest.net
13:22	ShadowBot	rubenwardy: Compiling Minetest - Minetest Developer Wiki - Triple-click to select a whole line. Use Ctrl + Shift + V to paste in a terminal. Install dependencies. Here's an example for Debian-based and Ubuntu-based distributions: apt-get install build-essential cmake git libirrlicht-dev libbz2-dev libgettextpo-dev libfreetype6-dev libpng12-dev libjpeg8-dev... (9 more messages)
13:22	rubenwardy	the Java code we supply is LGPL, so they'd need to rewrite it
13:23	rubenwardy	and they also need to provide instructions on how to relink a modified library
13:23	Zeno`	rubenwardy, and if they don't use it at all?
13:23	rubenwardy	<rubenwardy> so they'd need to rewrite it
13:23	Zeno`	which is what they do
13:24	rubenwardy	Multicraft does, not sure about the others
13:24	rubenwardy	also, <rubenwardy> and they also need to provide instructions on how to relink a modified library
13:24	rubenwardy	however, I don't think this is worth enforcing
13:24	Zeno`	the change that multicraft makes to minetest itself are published
13:25	Zeno`	multicraft is compliant
13:25	rubenwardy	more importantly we should enforce that they give "prominent notice" of Minetest's use, as is required if they contain proprietary code (ie: ads)
13:26	Zeno`	what proprietary code?
13:26	Zeno`	no no.. the license doesn't require that
13:26	rubenwardy	https://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/lgpl-2.1.en.html
13:26	rubenwardy	"You must give prominent notice with each copy of the work that the Library is used in it and that the Library and its use are covered by this License."
13:27	Zeno`	multicraft does that doesn't it?
13:27	rubenwardy	yeah, never said it didn't
13:27	rubenwardy	multicraft isn't the only Android fork
13:28	Zeno`	just the most popular
13:28	Zeno`	look. I understand why people are upset. But we signed up to this
13:29	Zeno`	We just have to accept the forks
13:29	Zeno`	They're not illegal (none I've seen anyway)
13:30	Fixer	too bad they are scummy ones
13:31	Fixer	they don't contribute any code to original project, don't host servers, shove ads down kid throats (who don't need to see them)
13:31	Fixer	mt signed up for this, yes
13:31	Zeno`	Fixer, the thing is that I could turn around tomorrow and start selling minetest for 1 billion a copy
13:31	Zeno`	the license allows
13:31	Zeno`	that
13:31	nerzhul	if they give some money to project and are correct guys i'm not upset, else fuck those guys
13:31	nerzhul	or they really contributre
13:32	rubenwardy	I don't mind forks, as long as they release modified code as required and give prominent notice if required
13:32	Fixer	yes, i more feel bad for those kids who are bitched with ads and need to pay money for privs or other stuff, on connection to our server they should know there are alternatives and there is original game without ads or other scum
13:33	Fixer	freemium is cancer
13:33	nerzhul	note: bountysource is not working i think, i reclaim some bounty and they never come, all are in pending state since weeks
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13:34	Zeno`	actually I don't even have to publish the source code
13:34	Zeno`	I have to provide it if a customer asks
13:34	shivajiva	can't we just improve the droid version so there no desire to use a clone with ads?
13:35	Fixer	desire?
13:35	Zeno`	just get over it. celeron55 chose the license and it is what it is
13:35	rubenwardy	shivajiva, not with a name like "Minetest"
13:35	Fixer	i have no idea why they use this ad garbage
13:35	Fixer	but thats me...
13:35	rubenwardy	Zeno`, semantics
13:35	Zeno`	Fixer, it provide them A LOT of revenue
13:35	Wayward_One	hi all :)
13:35	Zeno`	(more than you can imagine)
13:35	rubenwardy	"release modified code as required" -> doesn't mean publicly
13:36	Fixer	Zeno`: i mean from player standpoint
13:36	Zeno`	no, you don't have to release modified source code unless asked
13:36	Zeno`	if someone asks then you must provide it to them
13:36	Fixer	but oh well, if people want to eat shit, ...
13:36	shivajiva	when I ask the kids why they are using the clones the feedback is about preference for the interface
13:36	Fixer	watch ad after ad of shit
13:37	Fixer	big "thanks" to google and other who spread that freemium cancer
13:37	nerzhul	shivajiva, the droid version is like the desktop version, just controls are shit, but many forks just keep them lol
13:37	Zeno`	and after I provide them with the modified source code they can do whatever they like with it (including giving it to other people as well)
13:37	nerzhul	rubenwardy, a point where we can win is they must redistribute their modified code, if not, nuke
13:38	nerzhul	and maybe not publicly but if we ask we hsould have it
13:39	celeron55	one thing about freemium is that you can just ask for the source code and should get it, unlike with paid stuff where you would have to pay first
13:39	shivajiva	I cannot scroll the server list on droid with any kind of success :/
13:39	Zeno`	The other thing to consider is that none of the current core devs really want to deal with Android (it's a PITA tbh)
13:40	celeron55	nobody cares about android except kids and those who want to make money
13:40	Zeno`	so we can cry all we want but as long as multicraft (or whatever) comply with the license who cares?
13:40	celeron55	it's literally worthless otherwise
13:41	Zeno`	correct
13:41	VanessaE	celeron55: it's also 75% of the MT userbase....
13:41	celeron55	yes, and?
13:41	benrob0329	celeron55: not necessarily
13:41	Fixer	Zeno`: yep
13:41	VanessaE	that kinda invalidates "worthless"
13:41	Fixer	VanessaE: worse
13:41	benrob0329	What if I don't have my laptop on me?
13:41	Fixer	VanessaE: mobile crap with ads is 90% or so
13:42	celeron55	i'm not against focusing on android, but again, i'm one of the core devs that just don't care to do it myself
13:42	celeron55	mostly because i don't play on android
13:42	rubenwardy	I do Android for my job, which makes it less fun for a hobby
13:42	VanessaE	celeron55: s/on andriod//
13:42	VanessaE	fek
13:42	rubenwardy	well, slightly
13:42	VanessaE	joke spoiled :-/
13:42	celeron55	the whole idea of playing on a touchscreen just completely irks me
13:43	shivajiva	same here, it slows me down dramatically
13:43	Zeno`	the whole dev cycle for a C++ app on android is annoying :(
13:43	benrob0329	It works really well with some games, and not for others.
13:43	benrob0329	idea: drop android support
13:43	benrob0329	Now hear me out
13:43	shivajiva	but I appreciate the vast number of clients that connect to my server using it
13:44	Zeno`	benrob0329, it basically is anyway because nobody works on it
13:44	benrob0329	If we make a breaking release, that only supports clients past that release, then servers can update to it
13:45	benrob0329	If android code is removed, all the android forks die
13:46	shivajiva	and the servers lose 75% of their players
13:46	benrob0329	And 75% of the roleplayers
13:47	shivajiva	it's a great way to kill it off benrob imo
13:49	shivajiva	we can file that under 'Ways to kill MT popularity'
13:49	VanessaE	benrob0329: no they don't.
13:49	VanessaE	the first android versions that came out happened before MT had any such code upstream
13:51	Sokomine	can't the devs group together and release an android version that can be bought at the store? kind of a donation mechanism. trouble would then be to distribute the money. and revenue might not be enough to motivate someone who doesn't like android development to actually do it
13:53	red-001	there is an android version on the store
13:53	red-001	https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.minetest.minetest&hl=en
13:54	Fixer	killing off mobile will leave use PC MASTER RACE people (tm)(r)
13:54	red-001	its even the first result for minetest in the play store
13:54	Fixer	leave us*
13:54	Fixer	i'm so tired of this stupid bullshit: mom, dad, can i be your mom, dead, mom, dad, mom, brother, system, FUCK GO TO YOUR DOLLS
13:55	Sokomine	red: havn't used the playstore recently. i'm mostly using fdroid
13:55	Fixer	get of my lawn (c)
13:55	CWz	roleplay garbige
13:55	Fixer	back in my time on ZX (c)
13:55	VanessaE	Fixer: which is why roleplay is strictly forbidden from my servers.
13:56	Fixer	VanessaE: it is nonstop, can I be your brother, who want some mam, mom, i'm crying, 1+2
13:56	VanessaE	yeah I got tired of that horseshit
13:56	benrob0329	Fixer: tell ExterDad he needs to ban RP
13:56	Fixer	cheapie: please add some kind of filter to your chat6 :}
13:56	Sokomine	Fixer: hmm. the alive npc mod is quite cute :-) maybe they could learn to interact with such players in singleplayer
13:56	Fixer	filter by keyword
13:56	cheapie	Fixer: That sounds like something for another mod.
13:57	Sokomine	Fixer: build a crib-jail and put all those babys there :-)
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13:58	benrob0329	hi RobbieF
13:58	shivajiva	Hi Robbie o/
13:58	Sokomine	hi
13:58	Fixer	if one day mobile gets banned, there will be like 10 servers with PC people, mostly adults, building stuff
13:59	shivajiva	and one big troll xD
13:59	Fixer	lol
13:59	Fixer	smart troll
13:59	Fixer	or insane troll
13:59	benrob0329	Yes, but he'd be a good troll at that XD
14:00	Fixer	from time to time i see /gamemode people on minetest, do they even know what they are playing?
14:00	benrob0329	No
14:01	Zeno`	hit me with your rhythm stick!
14:01	Fixer	Zeno`: 404
14:01	Zeno`	hit me slowly, hit be quick! hit me, hit me, hit me
14:01	Fixer	Zeno`: rhythm is a dancer
14:02	* benrob0329	backs away slowly
14:02	Zeno`	Fixer, Snap?
14:02	Fixer	yes
14:02	Zeno`	Now that's a blast from the past
14:03	Zeno`	I was still programming on the Amiga at that time
14:04	Zeno`	also going to clubs, getting drunk and (mostly no successful) picking up women
14:07	nerzhul	i will brand minetest as fuckinggamelicense-miner on steam 15$ :D
14:07	Zeno`	then again I didn't meet nerzhul during that time
14:08	nerzhul	lol :p
14:08	Zeno`	or sfan5 or VanessaE
14:08	Zeno`	hahah ;)
14:08	* VanessaE	hides
14:08	nerzhul	Zeno`, dance on abba
14:08	* CWz	sets a trap for VanessaE.
14:08	* VanessaE	evades the trap
14:08	* VanessaE	tosses it in a lava pit
14:09	Fixer	trees added https://i.imgur.com/noqPVEH.png
14:09	CWz	wat a waste of good pie
14:09	Fixer	nerzhul: some OSS projects are present on steam or itchio
14:09	Fixer	btw
14:09	Fixer	like TOME4
14:10	Fixer	EndlessSky
14:10	CWz	Valve still didn't fix steam on latest lts ubuntu
14:10	Fixer	potentially DCSS
14:10	nerzhul	Fixer, yesi know
14:10	Sokomine	hm. strange. seems i had the images of my trader mod on forum.minetest.net ...but those are gone as well
14:11	Fixer	Sokomine: host your images on forum itself
14:11	Fixer	I had this bad habit of hosting on imgur and other, host images on forum, and mirror your code too
14:12	Sokomine	fixer: i do with new mods. pictures of older mods more or less disappeared. now someone suggested to use waybackmachine - which is a very good idea
14:12	Fixer	yes, it may have old pictures available
14:12	* Zeno`	looks at Sokomine
14:13	Sokomine	er, web.archive.org
14:13	* Sokomine	looks at Zeno`
14:13	* Zeno`	looks at back at Sokomine
14:13	* benrob0329	stares at everyone
14:13	* Fixer	is not
14:13	Zeno`	Sokomine, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMT698ArSfQ
14:13	* cheapie	stares at benrob0329
14:13	* benrob0329	stares through cheapie
14:14	* Sokomine	wonders how all this staring around might look to outsiders
14:14	* Zeno`	looks at Sokomine
14:14	Sokomine	perhaps that's what mobs do when they meet...just stare a bit at each other :-)
14:14	* Zeno`	stands without moving and looks at Sokomine
14:14	* nerzhul	looks at celeron55 but was afraid
14:14	cheapie	Sokomine: I could start meowing at people again, make it look even more strange :P
14:15	Zeno`	nerzhul, never look at celeron55
14:15	Sokomine	cheapie: wasn't meowing copyright-protected by sfan5?
14:15	* Sokomine	looks at celeron55 out of the corners of her eyes
14:15	Zeno`	whoa!
14:15	* cheapie	hisses at sfan5 instead, then
14:15	Zeno`	sexy!
14:15	Zeno`	you're in luck celeron55!
14:16	* nerzhul	find Zeno` sexy like a big steak of yack
14:16	* Zeno`	stands on his desk
14:16	Fixer	not sure what was that
14:16	* rubenwardy	raises his eyebrows
14:17	Zeno`	Fixer, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVWQpE3RMro
14:17	Fixer	Zeno`: SME error
14:17	* Zeno`	looks at rubenwardy
14:17	* benrob0329	raises one eyebrow
14:18	Zeno`	you look at me and you'll see your past
14:18	Zeno`	is that the reason why you're running so fast?
14:18	benrob0329	I see my past anyways, what difference does it make?
14:18	celeron55	i'd actually enjoy it if the minetest community released minetest under different names everywhere
14:19	rubenwardy	celeron55, KaadmY wants to release his subgame to itch.io
14:19	benrob0329	hold on, lemme go make the openbsd package
14:19	benrob0329	LibreMiner
14:19	Zeno`	lol
14:19	red-001	someone already released a version of mt on itch.io
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14:19	rubenwardy	I think that's a very good idea - the community can spread if subgames are marketed independently as games
14:20	Zeno`	I actually really like LibreMiner
14:20	celeron55	rubenwardy: it's quite easy to customize the main menu for that purpose, even
14:20	benrob0329	We need custom main menus per subgame
14:21	nerzhul	maybe could be nice to distribute minetest on it
14:21	nerzhul	this can increase our userbase
14:21	benrob0329	Or package minetest with a subgame store
14:22	Fixer	celeron55: nah, that is ridiculous
14:22	benrob0329	Pitch it like blocky gmod
14:22	Zeno`	we need something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iNxpIhjLws
14:22	Zeno`	does anyone want to pay The Bombay Royale to compose a song for us?
14:22	benrob0329	Just, without car physics...or much of any physics for that matter
14:23	Sokomine	hmpf. is there a handy spam-thread somewhere where i can attach more images? that limit is annoying sometimes...
14:23	Zeno`	that's my fav. song from the game
14:23	VanessaE	Sokomine: make another thread and attach your images there, and I'll toss it in "trash" where it'll remain hidden but should still work
14:24	VanessaE	but try it with one image first.
14:24	VanessaE	actually if I do that you probably can't edit your post :-/
14:24	* Zeno`	looks at Sokomine
14:24	Sokomine	hm :-) that's a good idea. else i'd have to search old postings by me about other topics and insert the images there
14:24	VanessaE	but try it anyway :P
14:24	* Sokomine	grabs Zeno` and lets him add the old images back
14:24	Zeno`	you grabbed me?!
14:25	Sokomine	sure
14:25	* Zeno`	swoons
14:25	Sokomine	that's what we've got hands for
14:25	Zeno`	I'm in love
14:25	rubenwardy	Sokomine, pasteboard.co ?
14:25	* Sokomine	now has a Zeno` in her inventory
14:25	Zeno`	:-o
14:25	Fixer	Sokomine: just make one stitch many images into one
14:25	VanessaE	careful, Sokomine. Zeno` may be using colored item stacks, but your engine isn't up-to-date ;)
14:25	Sokomine	rubenwardy: they tend to die quick, those imagehosters :-(( i've edited my postings already multiple times. it is very very annoying and timeconsuming
14:26	rubenwardy	true
14:26	Sokomine	ah yes. combining images might be an idea as well. it's just that those are more tricky to see
14:26	Zeno`	VanessaE, be quiet! I like being in Sokomine's inventory
14:26	* VanessaE	takes Zeno` out of Sokomine's inventory and places him back on the ground.. yep, thought so. he turned grey.
14:26	Sokomine	for newer and more complex mods i tried to use github documentation/wiki and linked from there
14:26	Sokomine	VanessaE: thanks for the warning :-)
14:26	* Zeno`	hops back in
14:27	* Sokomine	takes the color away from Zeno` and paints him in nice black-and-wide-16x16px
14:27	VanessaE	haha
14:27	Zeno`	lol
14:27	Sokomine	ah. VanessaE was faster :-) but to the same result :-)
14:28	rubenwardy	google thinks that rubenwardy is another name for Minetest
14:29	VanessaE	well that's good
14:29	Fixer	Sokomine: stitch all together into one image @ compress @ post on forum
14:29	Zeno`	Until a few weeks ago I was meant to be in Berlin in September
14:30	rubenwardy	also: I think that the modding help mega-topic should be locked
14:30	Zeno`	I could have met Sokomine
14:30	rubenwardy	it's much more useful to have individual topics for each issue someone has
14:30	rubenwardy	because it's then easier to google
14:30	nerzhul	wow twenty years of gnome
14:30	Zeno`	gnome sucks
14:30	Fixer	nerzhul: 20 years of feature removal :trollface:
14:30	Fixer	,__,
14:31	benrob0329	20 years of its still better than windows
14:31	nerzhul	Fixer, ridiculous
14:31	RobbieF	hi benrob0329, shivajiva, Sokomine and all
14:31	Zeno`	lol, I remember gnome from 1999 and the big foot icon
14:32	nerzhul	gnome 3.0 removal was a pain but they fixed the problems and 3.24 is far more better than the last gnome 2.X
14:32	Fixer	bigfoot547 conspiracy
14:32	cheapie	"If you find a feature, it might confuse a user, so remove it"
14:32	rubenwardy	xfce ftw :)
14:32	Fixer	xfce, yeah
14:32	Zeno`	the big foot was the best part about it
14:32	nerzhul	xfce for the poor
14:32	rubenwardy	although, I wish it had smooth workspace animations
14:32	VanessaE	xfce or gtfo :)
14:32	Fixer	after KDE4/GNOME3 debucle... only XFCE
14:32	nerzhul	KDE is a windows crap
14:32	benrob0329	RobbieF: I think you need to check your connection, you have a ping of about 60 minutes :P
14:33	cheapie	awesome is more awesome :P
14:33	Fixer	thats nice ping
14:33	nerzhul	how to make a linux app biggest than windows
14:33	Zeno`	I use KDE >.>
14:33	Fixer	i once had a 1+E3 ping on jabber
14:33	Fuchs	good, very good.
14:33	Fixer	or more
14:33	RobbieF	lol check my connection
14:33	benrob0329	i3wm ftw
14:33	cheapie	(I mean, I'm actually on Win10 right now, but that's because it's not my computer)
14:33	benrob0329	BOOOOO!
14:33	benrob0329	:P
14:33	Fixer	cheapie: my condolescenses
14:34	Zeno`	KDE is obviously the DE for power users
14:34	Fixer	yep
14:34	Fixer	Zeno`: i hope plasma is not crashing these days
14:34	RobbieF	benrob0329 http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/6322719348
14:35	Zeno`	nup
14:35	nerzhul	Zeno`, yeah, they need 32GB ram and 8 cores as a minimum to work
14:35	Zeno`	not had a crash
14:35	Fixer	plasma is older than octacian, probably
14:35	nerzhul	Fixer, lol plasma crash ? it's in the standard
14:35	octacian	Isn't everything older than me? :rotfl:
14:35	nerzhul	octacian, what's your age ?
14:35	octacian	13 :P
14:35	Zeno`	pffft. Plasma is very stable
14:35	Fixer	i will not show my ISP test
14:35	nerzhul	plasma maybe, but KDE not
14:35	octacian	Yup
14:36	benrob0329	RobbieF: oh wow! that must be good for streaming :D
14:36	cheapie	My mom likes KDE, for some reason.
14:36	RobbieF	I wish it WAS for streaming... but yes, it would be.
14:36	Fixer	January 11, 2008; 9 years ago
14:36	Fuchs	then plasma is quite a lot younger, KDE is roughly that (it is 21)
14:36	Zeno`	are you suggesting that I am your mum?!
14:36	RobbieF	I'm at work, not the studio. Studio has to use 4G since there is no hardwired option there.
14:36	Fuchs	cheapie: the reason is "KDE is a very good collection of software" nods
14:36	benrob0329	As I said earlier, i3 ftw
14:36	Fuchs	(I am biased)
14:37	Fuchs	benrob0329: couple of my friends use KDE software under i3, e.g. okular (PDF viewer)
14:37	nerzhul	i3 for loosing time :p
14:37	nerzhul	in mr robot they used gnome, they know what is good :p
14:37	benrob0329	Loosing the time it takes to move windows :PP
14:37	nerzhul	it's better than 24 where they reboot the router when there is an attack (WTF reboot the router to fix men attacking)
14:38	nerzhul	pacman -S gnome3
14:38	nerzhul	:D
14:38	nerzhul	if you don't like pacman, take a yaourt -S gnome3
14:38	Fixer	gnome can be ridiculous
14:38	benrob0329	emerge --ask x11-wm/i3wm
14:38	Fuchs	emerge @kde
14:38	Fuchs	done nods
14:38	benrob0329	Lol
14:39	Fuchs	or make that -av for some fancy coloured lines before you can go and cook dinner
14:39	benrob0329	that'll take a week to compile
14:39	cheapie	emerge -wtF green pixel
14:39	nerzhul	emerge @kde, take 10000 coffes, and it works :p
14:39	Fuchs	benrob0329: I'm at the wrong laptop, but without having genlop at hand my guess is "4-5 hours, maximum"
14:40	benrob0329	I think ny
14:40	Fuchs	(okay, that's an i7, but why would you want anything < that)
14:40	benrob0329	*my whole system compiles in an hour
14:40	* rubenwardy	has an i5 :(
14:40	nerzhul	why compiling ? just spending energy money for nothing
14:40	Fuchs	poor rubenwardy :(
14:40	* cheapie	has a space heater
14:40	Fuchs	nerzhul: to be able to make changes
14:40	* nerzhul	has a AMD 8350 which compiles minetest in ~45sec :D
14:41	rubenwardy	aha, better than celeron/pentium/core though, at least
14:41	Fuchs	nerzhul: I have a good set of patches I apply before compiling
14:41	Fuchs	doing that on a binary distribution is slightly more painful
14:41	nerzhul	Fuchs, use FreeBSD :p
14:41	Fuchs	why should, Linux has the better hardware support
14:41	benrob0329	nerzhul: I can have what I want, nothing more nothing less
14:41	Fuchs	and I like having bluetooth and whatnot :p
14:41	rubenwardy	my flatmate uses a server as a computer. 64 cores, 4 hard drives in RAID
14:41	nerzhul	you just add -march=native -mtune=native :p
14:41	rubenwardy	Nvida 1080 I believe
14:41	nerzhul	rubenwardy, useless, a desktop never have 64 process running in parallel :p
14:42	benrob0329	nerzhul: -mach=haswell
14:42	Fuchs	well, unless you want to reencode your whole music collection
14:42	rubenwardy	nerzhul, exactly, it's so ridiculously over powered
14:42	cheapie	nerzhul: cd whatever-big-project ; make -j64
14:42	Fuchs	or set -j 64 on the compiler
14:42	rubenwardy	nerzhul, the most he's ever used is 13% of each core (averaged)
14:42	Fuchs	but most software is probably not written in a way that it can take full advantage of j64
14:43	rubenwardy	he can write at a few GBps, which is cool
14:43	rubenwardy	note byte, not bits
14:43	benrob0329	most make time isn't spent compiling
14:44	* Zeno`	peeks out of Sokomine's inventory
14:44	Zeno`	AAAAAAAARGH
14:44	Zeno`	OMG!
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14:45	* cheapie	attempts to put Zeno` into a random pipeworks tube
14:45	Zeno`	Sokomine! You really keep your inventory THERE?
14:45	* Zeno`	goes back into the inventory box in shock
14:47	benrob0329	What just happened..
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15:02	Sokomine	Zeno`: er, where?
15:03	Sokomine	Zeno`: it's just protected. and usually crowded with lots of stairs, slabs, half-slabs and so on. might be confusing :-)
15:06	Zeno`	lol :)
15:06	Zeno`	I was certainly confused
15:12	Zeno`	I am sorry for looking at your chest, Sokomine. I thought it was the inventory
15:12	Zeno`	my mistake
15:16	nerzhul	rubenwardy, -j64 will use the 64 cores, but you should write -j65 because generally 1 core is used for writing to disk
15:20	Sokomine	:-)
15:21	Sokomine	just...er...find a nice cozy place amongst all those stacks of cobble in the chests :-)
15:21	Zeno`	:-o
15:30	Zeno`	Is it lame to cry while listening to songs?
15:30	Zeno`	If so, then I am lame
15:31	Zeno`	I miss my Nanna
15:34	nerzhul	it depend if you break glasses or not
15:39	Zeno`	I'm a stoic person. But I am proud and not ashamed that I cried while being the lead coffin bearer
15:41	Zeno`	I'll cry again, just like I am now for some reason. And if anyone has a problem then they can go to hell
15:47	twoelk	one of the bad things growing up is as you get older you tend to see more coffins than you'd like to see
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15:59	* twoelk	confesses he hasn't updated the public part of his webspace for several years now
15:59	* rubenwardy	has been working on security and DDoS mitation recently
15:59	benrob0329	I have a couple domains I could use for one..
16:00	benrob0329	Not that I have anything to put on a site atm
16:00	rubenwardy	my user apps all run in different users, and important files are only readable by user and group
16:01	rubenwardy	also added ssl: https://blog.rubenwardy.com/2017/05/05/HTTPS-with-github-pages-and-custom-domain/
16:11	red-001	huh whu is Fuchs not voiced?
16:11	red-001	why*
16:12	VanessaE	now he is. :P
16:12	Fuchs	don't bother, I have to restart my znc soon anyway
16:12	Fuchs	and: because I did something stupid basically (de-opered myself), which services don't seem to like
16:12	VanessaE	oops heh
16:12	Fuchs	I have no idea why, because that should do 0 to services, but it's not a huge thing. As said, have to restart znc in a couple of minutes anyway :)
16:21	red-001	must*
16:24	red-001	what timezone are you in?
16:24	Fuchs	red-001: CEST (UTC+2 currently)
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16:45	benrob0329	Wb Fuchs, hello WhoAreYou
16:45	WhoAreYou	Hello benrob. :)
16:59	Fuchs	yes, hello :)
17:02	garywhite	hi everyone
17:05	rubenwardy	hey garywhite
17:07	Fixer	Fuchs: are you using sound notifications? even at night? o_0 911-level of service
17:08	Fuchs	Fixer: no, I don't
17:08	Fuchs	they didn't wake me up, I just saw them after waking up
17:08	Fuchs	pretty sure I'd get lynched sooner or later if I did that
17:11	shivajiva	yea my wife is funny about stuff like that for some reason
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17:15	Fuchs	yes, always them silly partners
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17:22	garywhite	I guess it's a good thing I don't have a layerBNC account
17:22	garywhite	They're shutting down all their servers on 1 July
17:27	Fixer	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAiNMHqXkAAGMRh.jpg:large
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17:30	Krock	o/
17:31	cheapie	\o
17:31	Fixer	i prefer nano, only for short edits
17:38	benrob0329	Vim is easy
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17:50	Shara	Hello all
17:50	Sokomine	hi
17:50	* Sokomine	nods to benrob0329
17:50	Fuchs	yes, hello
17:50	Shara	Hi otherme
17:51	Shara	Uhh, I mean Sokomine
17:51	benrob0329	Hi Shara
17:51	Shara	How's it going? :)
17:52	benrob0329	Good
17:52	benrob0329	Swaping out Pulseaudio for jack on my system atm
17:53	cheapie	What's wrong with plain ALSA?
17:54	benrob0329	When you do a lot of recording and use multiple sound cards, a lot
17:55	cheapie	Oh, you're one of "those people"... well, have fun with JACK, then :P
17:55	benrob0329	Heh, I will :P
17:55	benrob0329	it'll give me an edge to my OSX using sister :D
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18:12	Jordach	ayy lmao
18:12	red-001	lol what why are you using freenode webchat?
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18:13	Jordach	>benrob0329 has op
18:13	Jordach	because my laptop is a wifi booster rn
18:13	benrob0329	:P
18:13	Jordach	it's using my phone in tether mode
18:14	Jordach	which is connected to the hotels wifi
18:14	Jordach	which in turn powers my chromecast
18:14	Jordach	it's ghetto af
18:14	Jordach	should i go for arch linux or manjaro for this shittop
18:15	benrob0329	Sounds more hobbled together than my junk drawer
18:15	Jordach	benrob0329: my phone is connected over USB into my laptop
18:15	benrob0329	Go for arch if you want to learn
18:15	Jordach	which then windows 7 provides the hosted mode wifi
18:15	benrob0329	Gentoo if you want it lean and mean
18:15	Jordach	for my chromecast, tablet, etc
18:15	Calinou	hi
18:15	Calinou	rubenwardy: oh godâ€¦
18:15	Calinou	hahaha
18:15	Jordach	oshit waddup
18:16	Calinou	that site screams lingscars to me
18:16	* Jordach	doesn't dare to click it with this windows 7 system
18:16	rubenwardy	yeah :P
18:16	Jordach	it's not been updated in 1.4 years lmao
18:17	rubenwardy	:O
18:17	Jordach	it finished getting patches todahy
18:17	Krock	almost readable and 90s style
18:17	Jordach	>mineyoshi
18:17	Jordach	unintelligilble autistic screeching
18:18	Krock	"Do not use too many fonts in your design" - a previous teacher of mine
18:18	* Krock	counts
18:18	Calinou	https://www.lingscars.com/ (warning: possible seizure, likely sound-playing, use an ad blocker)
18:18	Calinou	that site used to be even worse, like, it had an animated chicken in the chat area
18:18	Calinou	last time I checked it (last year)
18:18	Jordach	>looks at site
18:18	Jordach	MY EYES
18:20	benrob0329	My phone needs an aspirin now
18:20	Jordach	http://i.imgur.com/oe65pWy.png
18:20	Jordach	FeelsBadMan
18:21	Jordach	HP offered this with two models
18:21	Jordach	one with linux with the 1tb disk
18:21	Jordach	the other was windows with a 500gb disk
18:21	benrob0329	Jordach: http://imgur.com/a/NZ5he
18:21	benrob0329	Hold on, lemme grab render
18:21	Jordach	bleeeerrergh
18:22	benrob0329	https://m.imgur.com/a/yXRku
18:23	benrob0329	(Yes, the plastic could use some work)
18:23	benrob0329	Its blender interal fyi
18:23	benrob0329	Something I don't have the nost experience with >.<
18:23	Jordach	>no monospaced font
18:23	benrob0329	Hmm
18:23	Jordach	AUTISTIC SCREECHING
18:23	benrob0329	Good point
18:24	benrob0329	I have the perfect one :P
18:24	Jordach	comic sans
18:24	Jordach	:^)
18:24	benrob0329	that's not monospaced
18:24	Jordach	times new roman
18:24	Jordach	wingding
18:24	benrob0329	Still not mono
18:24	Jordach	emoji
18:24	Jordach	Kappa
18:25	* Jordach	thinks about going hackintosh on this lapto
18:25	Jordach	meh
18:25	Jordach	arch linux to make my roommate salty
18:25	Jordach	>hackintosh on a surface pro
18:25	Jordach	what a meme
18:26	Jordach	then after installing arch i'm going to shitpost on /g/ about how good it is with a complete anime wallpaper for the maximum /g/ experience
18:27	Jordach	second, webchat on freenode is superior to most clients, Kappa
18:27	Calinou	Hackintosh is tricky to use for daily work
18:27	Jordach	my roommate just makes the mac fags in his class salty
18:27	Jordach	that's why he has it
18:28	Jordach	the salt they produce
18:28	red-001	Calinou, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfPiHkv0fVY&feature=youtu.be
18:28	Jordach	it's like compressed salt blocks
18:28	Jordach	they even say he hacked apple
18:28	Jordach	toplel
18:29	Jordach	>runs in x64_86
18:29	Jordach	:thinking:
18:32	benrob0329	Jordach: http://imgur.com/a/ddljN
18:32	Jordach	>not projecting text onto the screen
18:32	Jordach	-50 points to gryffindor
18:33	benrob0329	Why would I want to increase render times?
18:33	Jordach	just use a feckin curve
18:33	benrob0329	meh
18:33	benrob0329	id need to redo the screen
18:33	benrob0329	I could do it
18:33	benrob0329	I should do it
18:38	Jordach	Calinou: arch or gentoo
18:38	dax	install gentoo
18:38	benrob0329	Gentoo
18:38	Calinou	Jordach: neither
18:39	benrob0329	Get that laptop runnin fast af
18:39	Calinou	bare Arch Linux is not really needed anymore for most use cases
18:39	Jordach	hardmode: no internet connection allowed
18:39	Calinou	Manjaro is a good desktop distro, I find
18:39	Calinou	Antergos if you absolutely want latest packages, at the cost of stability
18:39	benrob0329	Jordach: then your screwed
18:39	Jordach	Calinou: maybe if i don't want systemd
18:39	Calinou	(also closer to upstream than Manjaro is)
18:39	Calinou	there is nothing wrong with systemd
18:39	Jordach	yes there is
18:39	Jordach	ask the man himself
18:39	Jordach	aka Linus or RMS
18:40	* benrob0329	rebuilds system with pulseaudio
18:40	benrob0329	I don't feel like setting up a real time system atm
18:40	benrob0329	So meh
18:41	benrob0329	Funnily enougb FireFox doesn't take very long tk build
18:41	benrob0329	Jordach: here's the thing with Gentoo
18:41	benrob0329	You learn
18:41	Calinou	RMS is not against systemd
18:41	Calinou	"It's free software" is his comment on systemd
18:42	Calinou	also, make your own opinion.
18:42	benrob0329	free yes, freeing...not as much
18:42	Calinou	but really, systemd is one of the better things that happened to the Linux desktop recently
18:42	Calinou	benrob0329: no portion of systemd is proprietary
18:42	benrob0329	I'm not talking license
18:42	dax	I like Gentoo. benrob0329 uses Gentoo and dislikes systemd and doesn't use it. I use Gentoo and systemd all the things.
18:42	Calinou	among other things, systemd brought us service files (very easy to write and maintain), systemctl and other unified/standard commands for service management
18:42	Calinou	systemd-nspawn for "chroot on steroids"
18:43	dax	Debian can do either too, I'm not sure if any other distros still care about that.
18:43	benrob0329	rc-update add thing default
18:43	Calinou	apparently, Manjaro has a no systemd option
18:43	Calinou	but I can't see why one would use it
18:43	benrob0329	rc-update add other_thing boot
18:44	benrob0329	Biggest thing of all though
18:44	benrob0329	I don't care what init systen you usr
18:44	benrob0329	Just so as long as software is iniy systen independent
18:45	dax	agreed
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18:45	benrob0329	Wb Jordach
18:45	Jordach	>phone falls off of bed
18:45	Jordach	>tether dies
18:45	benrob0329	Lol
18:45	Jordach	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8c5wmeOL9o
18:46	Jordach	it's USB type C at least
18:46	Jordach	and also has monthly security patches from my OEM
18:46	benrob0329	I could probably get my system boot time down if I enabled parallel service starting
18:46	Jordach	which is very fucking nice these days considering it's android
18:46	Calinou	my phone isn't USB type C :(
18:46	Calinou	my laptop is!
18:46	benrob0329	Most computers don't even have usb 3.1
18:46	Jordach	Calinou: barrel jack here lmao
18:47	Jordach	benrob0329: the USB cable for the phone is the 3.1 end
18:47	benrob0329	Yes and no
18:47	Jordach	but that's also reversible and USB 2 compliant
18:47	benrob0329	3.1 is faster than 3
18:47	Jordach	a reversible USB connector
18:47	Jordach	lmao
18:47	benrob0329	But os still compatible
18:47	Jordach	yeah boi
18:48	benrob0329	(My desktop has a USB 3.1 type A card)
18:48	benrob0329	Question
18:48	benrob0329	What happens if you plug two usb c phones together?
18:49	benrob0329	Will one power the other?
18:49	Jordach	you want the NSFW answer?
18:49	Jordach	or not?
18:49	Jordach	:^)
18:49	benrob0329	preferably not
18:50	benrob0329	>compiling only uses 50% of the cpu
18:50	Jordach	benrob0329: this phillips TV had exposed USB and HDMI connectors in the side
18:50	benrob0329	-j13 ALL THE THINGS
18:50	Jordach	had 1.4 inches off the wall to get my hand in there
18:50	Jordach	and plug it all in
18:50	Jordach	that was a pain in the ass
18:50	benrob0329	Hotel TVs are always fun
18:51	Jordach	but i can at least watch twitch tv
18:51	Jordach	or youtube
18:51	benrob0329	Or Vidme
18:51	benrob0329	:^)
18:52	Krock	benrob0329, read/write speed as the bottleneck?
18:52	Krock	that's somehow amusing
18:52	benrob0329	Krock: id think not, I've got an m.2 ssd
18:53	Jordach	>m.2
18:53	benrob0329	I just have my system set to only use 6 threads atm
18:53	Jordach	gib wallet pls
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18:53	Jordach	will blender fo money
18:53	benrob0329	Jordach: but I already blender my own :P
18:53	Jordach	how about some AMD RX boost
18:53	Jordach	lmao
18:54	* CWz	summons his Gunaction shotpump
18:54	* Jordach	is seriously thinking about going VM Passthrough for gaming
18:54	Krock	I've got a 3M one.. just harddisk-like and 1.44 MB storage
18:54	benrob0329	So its a floppy?
18:54	Jordach	windows VM, GPU passthrough for mexi memes
18:54	Krock	</shitpost amount="20%">
18:55	Krock	benrob0329, yeah, would be one.
18:55	benrob0329	I've got a floppy in one of my drawers here
18:55	Krock	anyone from the hometown server active right now?
18:55	benrob0329	haven't looked at what's on it in years
18:55	Krock	benrob0329, one?
18:55	Jordach	i have some floppies too
18:55	benrob0329	one
18:55	Jordach	including a microsoft works CD-R
18:56	* Krock	looks at the box of approx. 50 floppies in his shelf
18:56	benrob0329	Might have some software floppies somewhere
18:56	benrob0329	Its not even a new floppy, it had the family cookbook on it for years
18:56	Jordach	benrob0329: currently got http://kitten.academy on the TV
18:57	benrob0329	I should upload the cookbook to github or something
18:57	benrob0329	Convert the word documents to LaTeX :PP
18:59	Fixer	Krock: VERBATIM
19:00	Krock	Fixer, SEE #MINETEST, THE CHANNEL NAME IS REQUESTED
19:00	Jordach	Fixer: more like V E R B A T I M
19:01	benrob0329	ï¼¶ï¼¡ï¼°ï¼¯ï¼²ï¼·ï¼¡ï¼¶ï¼¥
19:01	Fixer	Jordach: ï¼¶ï¼¥ï¼²ï¼¢ï¼¡ï¼´ï¼©ï¼
19:02	Fixer	Goods of EU origin
19:02	Jordach	Fixer: may have vaporwave cassettes
19:02	Jordach	:^)
19:02	Fixer	"Formatiert fur IBM PS/2 und andere 1.44MB Laufwerke"
19:02	benrob0329	ï¼¦ï½‰ï½˜ï½…ï½’ï¼šï¼€ï½‡ï½…ï½”ï¼€ï½—ï½‰ï½”ï½ˆï¼€ï½”ï½ˆï½…ï¼€ï½ï½’ï½ï½‡ï½’ï½ï½ï¼€ï½ï½Žï½„ï¼€ï½•ï½“ï½…ï¼€ï½†ï½•ï½Œï½Œï½—ï½‰ï½„ï½”ï½ˆ
19:03	Krock	"Formatted for IBM PS/2 and other 1.44MB drives"
19:03	Fixer	first diskette in the box is SONY though
19:04	Fixer	Re-formats to Apple: 1.40 MB
19:04	Fixer	wat?
19:04	Jordach	Fixer: format it to amiga for that fantastic 800k
19:05	Fixer	i need to have amiga first, it also costs a lot
19:05	Jordach	amigas are cheap af in the UK
19:05	Fixer	200 usd or so
19:05	benrob0329	My desktop boots from post to desktop (including grub pause and login) in 52.98 seconds
19:05	Jordach	considering getting a A1200 then getting a vampire on top
19:06	Jordach	>53 seconds
19:06	Jordach	my windows desktop does it in 3
19:06	Fixer	Jordach: 160 seconds
19:06	Jordach	i usually leave it at login for like 30 minutes when i do the washing up and breakfast making
19:07	benrob0329	I could make it faster
19:07	benrob0329	Post took about half that time
19:07	Krock	Linux users going to be drunk.. too much Wine
19:08	Krock	sorry, old joke
19:08	Fixer	Debian booted much faster than W7 for me
19:08	Fixer	when I last tested
19:08	benrob0329	Should I enable openrc's paralell service starting?
19:08	benrob0329	And retime it?
19:10	Krock	s/el/le/ (minimalism)
19:10	Fixer	(((minimalism)))
19:11	* Fixer	logins
19:11	* Fixer	is engulfed in mom-dad roleplay
19:11	VanessaE	will someone PLEASE kick the ass of whoever came up with that ((( ))) shit?
19:12	Shara	Fixer: just play on servers where it's not allowed?
19:12	Jordach	VanessaE: (((them)))
19:13	Jordach	Kappa
19:13	Fixer	VanessaE: i have no idea who come up with this ((()))
19:13	Calinou	I prefer this, it makes me look happy)))
19:13	Calinou	don't you agree))
19:13	Calinou	:P
19:13	Jordach	you're not russian, and you have a working colon
19:13	Calinou	Russians use that as a smiley, actually
19:13	Jordach	although it might be full of shit
19:13	Jordach	Kappa
19:13	Jordach	bored af at a hotel and no vidya to pass time
19:16	Fixer	Jordach: relevant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwQ3GEncwh8
19:19	Krock	Jordach, play trivia :P
19:24	Fixer	VanessaE: lisp?
19:25	VanessaE	Fixer: ((( ))) around a word means it might be a "trigger" for some idiot
19:25	VanessaE	and I think it's just another expression of the bullshitification of the 'net
19:26	rubenwardy	I thought it was used to identify Jewish people?
19:26	VanessaE	nope.
19:26	rubenwardy	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses
19:26	rubenwardy	"The use of triple parentheses or triple brackets, also known as an (((echo))), is an antisemitic symbol that has been used to highlight the names of individuals of a Jewish background."
19:26	Fixer	VanessaE: https://storage.googleapis.com/programming-idioms-pictures/idiom/149/princess-lisp.png
19:26	VanessaE	strange, I don't recall it being for that
19:26	Fixer	rubenwardy: o.O
19:27	VanessaE	that makes it 1000x stupider thenm
19:27	Fixer	VanessaE: than Jordach probably needs to adopt triple+1
19:28	Jordach	lmao
19:28	Jordach	i'm sarcastic af rn
19:28	Jordach	i have no vidya
19:29	Fixer	VanessaE: https://i1.wp.com/content.animalnewyork.com/wp-content/uploads/fib.png?resize=674%2C248
19:29	Fixer	Jordach: what is vidya?
19:29	* VanessaE	shrugs
19:30	Fixer	https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kakNmBjOGaA/TDX4fAOL9XI/AAAAAAAAAiM/zQq8qLTU7iQ/s400/stacked.png.scaled500.png
19:30	rubenwardy	yay lisp
19:32	Fixer	LOL http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/2e/2e744aa83c6ec9bc13b8c0094a3ed11ff980e303ffb8ea15c453b66e35b8e33d.jpg
19:35	Krock	but parentheses are code
19:36	Krock	seems legit, with C++ in the picture
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20:09	* twoelk	muses on putting an old Atari TOS emulator on his nephews laptop with a nice ancient looking GEM - just to freak him out
20:13	VanessaE	better idea, put an old tube TV and an Atari 2600 on his desk.
20:14	VanessaE	with copies of Pac Man and ET :D
20:17	twoelk	I fear my last tube monitor drowned just last friday as our cellar was flooded
20:18	VanessaE	let it dry out thoroughly and it'll probably be fine
20:19	twoelk	too late, decided I didn't want to clean it of all the stinking mud that ran inside :-(
20:20	twoelk	I did save a nice radio-tapedeck-recordplayer combo of the 70s though
20:23	Calinou	flatscreens are where it's at anyway
20:23	Calinou	who needs motion blur when you have natural ghosting? :)
20:23	VanessaE	heh
20:23	Calinou	(:P)
20:23	Calinou	my 32" has a ton of ghosting, it's AMVA which is the worst for gaming (worse than IPS)
20:23	Calinou	setting its antighosting to Medium helps quite a bit, but it is far from perfect, and input lag is high
20:23	Calinou	I still can game on this but it's not ideal
20:24	Calinou	games also feel less smooth on it overall
20:24	Calinou	(compared to my secondary, 24" 1080p TN monitor)
20:26	Jordach	twoelk: i'd buy that
20:28	twoelk	not gonna sell :-)
20:28	benrob0329	i dont know why more distros dont use qingy
20:28	benrob0329	its nice and simple for starting X
20:28	twoelk	too many childhood memories
20:29	Calinou	I didn't use a CRT much
20:29	Calinou	I do remember playing Doom on a CRT when I was young, though
20:29	Calinou	but computers I had for me always had LCDs
20:30	Jordach	i had a win me machine with a CRT
20:30	Jordach	it was a huge display
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20:31	Jordach	ayy lmao, Calinou phone connected to hotels wifi as a tether for my laptop gets 8-26ms ping
20:31	Jordach	quake is playable lmao
20:31	nerzhul	travis build matrix is just painful shit...
20:32	twoelk	mh, I remember the crispy 640x480 of my first monitor - those where indeed blocky games then
20:32	Jordach	r e k t a n g l e
20:32	nerzhul	gitlab-ci powa, omg forced to break the travis base image to have the build you want
20:32	Calinou	Jordach: I get 15-35 ms on my university wifi
20:32	Calinou	I can play with a VPN
20:32	Calinou	it can go way up at times though
20:33	Calinou	twoelk: classic Doom ran at 320Ã—200 (corrected to 320Ã—240), my dad used DOSBox to run it on Windows 98 or XP or something like that
20:33	Calinou	(source ports were a thing back then, Doom was already GPL'd, but apparently he did not know about them)
20:33	Calinou	~~or he was an anti-source port purist, I don't know~~
20:33	Jordach	reddit formatting there, cal
20:35	twoelk	I recently fiddled with the old demogame ms made to demonstrate it's graphic abbilities - anyone remember Hover?
20:35	twoelk	runs a little fast now :-(
20:38	Calinou	Jordach: IRC needs strikethrough :(
20:38	Calinou	it is a prerequisite for dank memes
20:38	benrob0329	#matrix
20:38	benrob0329	#markdown
20:38	benrob0329	#forthewin
20:38	Calinou	twoelk: I remember playing a ~2001-2002 tech demo made for the GeForce 2
20:38	Calinou	â€¦on a system with a GeForce 8 or so
20:38	Calinou	â€¦it did not run smoothly at all on max settings
20:38	Calinou	it was a racing game with hovercrafts, with only one track, and no sounds
20:38	Calinou	it did look quite good but also liked to make everything shine for no reason
20:38	Jordach	Calinou: my laptop would destroy it, probably
20:38	Calinou	if someone can find it, would be nice
20:39	Calinou	(maybe runs in WINE)
20:39	benrob0329	would probably run in wine
20:39	twoelk	gah - wondered why my screen flickered purple just now - had an oerkki jumping on me :-P
20:40	* Jordach	considers building a Solar Plains devel distro
20:40	Jordach	or at least making MT literally plug and play
20:41	twoelk	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQa3OM6zBJ4
20:44	twoelk	cool - hover reborn http://hover.ie/ seems other remember as well
20:45	garywhite	twoelk: That's actually a MS website
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20:46	garywhite	& ironically, Chicago was the codename for Windows 95 during development c. 1994
20:46	twoelk	don't care ---- it's Hover ! gotta show my nephew
20:47	garywhite	Why don't they redevelop MS Space Simulator
20:47	twoelk	it was a demo coded by or for ms in the first place
20:47	Fixer	twoelk: show him this instead http://www.windows93.net/
20:47	Fixer	EYE ALERT
20:49	twoelk	hehe - looks cool
20:51	* DS-minetest	just recognized that off-topic was finally nuked
20:55	Fixer	https://i.imgur.com/24SIBJB.png
21:06	benrob0329	>minetest plug & play
21:07	benrob0329	modname.mtp
21:07	benrob0329	its really a zip (or tar) but has the right extention for a Minetest Package
21:10	garywhite	twoelk: I was just reading an article about running a Windows emulator in the browser, & it mentions the relaunch of Hover. It also says that, before doing anything, type "bambi" into the window & it will switch to the original Hover
21:10	garywhite	& it does work
21:13	twoelk	so who volunteers to make a minetest version of hover ;-P ?
21:14	twoelk	including the physics of course
21:14	twoelk	garywhite: link?
21:15	garywhite	link to what?
21:15	Fixer	twoelk: http://www.pcjs.org/devices/pcx86/machine/5160/cga/256kb/win101/
21:16	twoelk	Fixer: shit, that somehow looks familiar
21:18	twoelk	although I think the first windows I did indeed use for more than just looking was 3.1
21:19	Fixer	there is a guy on internet who connected to IRC via xenix
21:20	Fixer	https://virtuallyfun.superglobalmegacorp.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/ircii-on-xenix.png
21:25	Jordach	if windows wasn't so entrenched in backwards compat there'd be less security holes ;)
21:26	Fixer	Jordach: but backw compat is a big positive side of win
21:29	Fixer	procrastination
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21:33	Fixer	https://i.imgur.com/k3RVQ0O.png
21:34	DS-minetest	Fixer?
21:35	Fixer	those new stone blocks give interesting effect when mixed with simple stone
21:35	* DS-minetest	doesn't see anything special about this screenshot
21:35	DS-minetest	ah
21:35	twoelk	Jordach: sure if you change the OS with each update so much that all programs including malware won't work anymore you got some safe system
21:36	rubenwardy	it's more about not keeping antiquated file transfer protocols
21:36	rubenwardy	etc
21:37	benrob0329	hi Nathans21
21:37	Nathans21	Hi ben
21:38	rubenwardy	hey Nathans21
21:38	Nathans21	Hi rubenwardy
21:38	DS-minetest	why has default book a 16*17 texture?
21:39	Fixer	no idea
21:40	rubenwardy	sounds like a mistake
21:41	Nathans21	Agree
21:42	Fixer	https://i.imgur.com/FEjrjhB.png quazi 3d-effect
21:43	benrob0329	heh
21:43	benrob0329	Fixer: ill have to remember that trick
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21:44	DS-minetest	>_< i think, hexchat shut down
21:44	DS-minetest	Fixer: can you screwdrive stone block?
21:44	Fixer	nope
21:45	DS-minetest	ohh, at lease with stone brick nice structures can be made with screwdriver
21:47	Fixer	DS-minetest: you can use slab and rotate in any way you like
21:48	DS-minetest	ah
21:49	Fixer	https://i.imgur.com/VO2y07Q.png
21:49	rubenwardy	think that the modding help mega-topic should be locked
21:49	Fixer	this screenshot endorses corner stairs
21:49	rubenwardy	it's much more useful to have individual topics for each issue someone has
21:49	rubenwardy	because it's then easier to google
21:50	rubenwardy	although potential topic spam
21:50	DS-minetest	don't lock it, it's a place where they can put their trash to
21:51	DS-minetest	if you answer there, it's your own fault
21:51	Fixer	mushroom farm https://i.imgur.com/dwxsZJX.png
21:52	DS-minetest	Fixer: i don't see any mushrooms
21:52	Fixer	look better
21:53	DS-minetest	nope, also the floor is out of wood
21:53	DS-minetest	ok, perhaps if i look good enough, i could see some fungi on my screen :P
21:53	Fixer	https://i.imgur.com/tSqZAqT.jpg thinking about adding fancy lamps in some way
21:54	Nathans21	Why'd you want to grow poisonous mushrooms is beyond me, but to each their own :D
21:54	Fixer	they are not poisonous
21:55	DS-minetest	ha, add a book to mtg that includes all mushrooms to warn the player of poisoned ones
22:11	benrob0329	wow, everypne just up and left..
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22:22	twoelk	Fixer: nice diving for them tennis balls flying too far
22:22	Fixer	twoelk: will be washed away anyway :}
22:23	Fixer	twoelk: roleplay kids will collect them
22:24	twoelk	we do have a soccer mod somewhere, so where is the tennis mod?
22:30	benrob0329	twoelk: same place as Portal3
22:32	benrob0329	I hate it
22:32	benrob0329	When
22:32	benrob0329	People
22:32	benrob0329	Talk
22:32	benrob0329	Like
22:32	benrob0329	This
22:33	Calinou	My enter key
22:33	Calinou	is happy right now
22:33	Calinou	please understand it
22:33	benrob0329	Lol
22:33	Calinou	reminds meâ€¦ I saw on Twitter a news article whose picture was a keyboard
22:33	Calinou	the article was about DDoS attacks
22:33	Calinou	soâ€¦ the picture was a stock photo of a keyboard with a "DDoS attack" key in green
22:33	Calinou	I want a keyboard like thisâ€¦
22:33	Calinou	:D
22:34	benrob0329	heh, that'd be a very dangerous keyboard :P
22:34	Calinou	I think ABJ would like a keyboard with a "Shitpost" button
22:34	* benrob0329	is running Qingy instead of Getty now
22:34	VanessaE	haha
22:34	Calinou	KaadmY would probably like the first keyboard in the world with the IDFKA keyboard layout.
22:34	Calinou	instant best-seller.
22:34	Calinou	:P
22:34	Fixer	"What if Kim wants to commit suicide? Forget jumping off a building or suicide-by cop-- why wouldn't he go for suicide-by-US, which can be easily accomplished by launching nukes at us? "
22:34	Calinou	IDKFA*, lol
22:34	Calinou	how can I mistype that
22:35	benrob0329	IDFKA = I Don't F*cking Know Anymore
22:35	benrob0329	Seemed fine to me
22:35	Calinou	someone suggested IDGAF should have been a Doom cheat codeâ€¦ :P
22:36	Calinou	there was a thread, "what would that cheat code do"
22:36	benrob0329	Godmode?
22:37	KaadmY	IDFA = ID Fucking Arsenal
22:37	KaadmY	(should've **ed out the **)
22:39	KaadmY	https://github.com/id-Software/DOOM/blob/77735c3ff0772609e9c8d29e3ce2ab42ff54d20b/linuxdoom-1.10/st_stuff.c#L563
22:39	KaadmY	If you're curious
22:39	benrob0329	I always find it cool how id open sources their games when they are done with them
22:40	KaadmY	Not recently :(
22:40	benrob0329	why not?
22:40	KaadmY	Since Rage they haven't released them
22:40	benrob0329	oh :-(
22:40	KaadmY	Probably since they were sold to Zenimax
22:40	benrob0329	sigh
22:42	Fixer	there is DoomRL
22:42	Fixer	btw, for people who like roguelikes
22:42	Fixer	and doom
22:42	Fixer	opensource
22:45	KaadmY	Wasn't DooMRL shut down due to copyright?
22:46	Calinou	it renamed to D**mRL :)
22:46	Calinou	https://github.com/ChaosForge/doomrl
22:46	Calinou	(but the repository still is "doomrl")
22:46	Calinou	benrob0329: I'd really like to see id Tech 5 release, but at least it runs well in WINE (no native Linux version exists, so you need WINE)
22:47	Calinou	I'm playing Wolfenstein: The Old Blood via WINE 2.8 right now, works nearly perfectly, but key bindings have an issue that's workable around on non-QWERTY
22:48	Calinou	ultimate settings (everything turned all the way up, except anti-aliasing which is "only" 8Ã—, the game allows 32Ã— at most but it has no real point): https://lut.im/9YlPPPNYKO/e1GVuXbJHe8w4JjA.png
22:48	Calinou	60+ FPS when looking at floors or walls, unfortunately most real gameplay will have to be done with 30-50 FPS
22:48	Calinou	it's acceptable (better than console gameplay for sure), but low for a graphics card like mine (GTX 1080)
22:48	benrob0329	I always turn mine up to 16x on games when I can :P
22:49	Calinou	16Ã— anisotropic filtering is useful
22:49	Calinou	16Ã— anti-aliasingâ€¦ not so much
22:49	Calinou	8Ã— is already very good for AA
22:49	Calinou	4Ã— is all you need on a hiDPI display
22:49	benrob0329	Also: more distros should use Qingy should be used by more distros
22:49	Calinou	(sometimes even 2Ã— will be enough for very high DPI)=
22:49	Calinou	Qingy?
22:49	benrob0329	Scuse the thought clash there
22:50	benrob0329	Replaces Getty, and suporrs Xorg
22:50	benrob0329	Doesnt start xorg for login though
22:50	benrob0329	And has optional text mode (will fallback to it)
22:50	benrob0329	Full theming support
22:51	benrob0329	no xdm
22:51	Calinou	need to try Dirt Rally too, I bought it on sale, it has native Linux support
22:51	Calinou	it apparently is a good game, with very realistic (and thus hard) physics
22:51	benrob0329	Dangit, I missed the sale
22:51	Calinou	I don't have a steering wheel unfortunately, but I have a gamepad at least, which works on Linux in wired mode
22:51	Calinou	I already downloaded it
22:51	Calinou	(26 GB!)
22:51	benrob0329	wow
22:51	Calinou	(still less than the Wolfenstein games: they are 40 GB or so each)
22:52	Calinou	I have 40 GB left on my 1 TB SSD right now
22:52	Calinou	(I can clear up 30 GB by reducing the size ofâ€¦ the swap partition)
22:52	benrob0329	Less than a friend of mine's Gmod folder
22:52	Calinou	Manjaro created a 32 GB swap for meâ€¦
22:52	Calinou	I don't even
22:52	benrob0329	hibernation
22:52	benrob0329	I have ~20 gigs
22:52	Calinou	34.5 GB even
22:52	Calinou	I never hibernate a PC, I suspend only laptops
22:52	Calinou	NVIDIA on Linux with the proprietary driver will never support suspend, even less hibernate
22:53	Calinou	unfortunately
22:53	benrob0329	nvidia sucks
22:53	Calinou	trying to resume from suspend will often leave you with an unrecoverable state
22:53	Calinou	black screen, movable cursor
22:53	Calinou	NVIDIA is still the best choice for recent/AAA Linux games, WINE gaming, and so on
22:53	benrob0329	alt SysRec O
22:53	Calinou	and they have the best hardware still
22:53	Calinou	(AMD doesn't really have a GTX 1080 equivalent, don't even think about the GTX 1080 Ti)
22:54	benrob0329	Amd is coming in fast though
22:54	Calinou	I'm aware it's really niche hardware but still :)
22:54	benrob0329	New stuff around the corner and fully open drivers
22:54	Calinou	also NVIDIA's hardware has historically been more power-efficient, with the exception of Fermi
22:54	Calinou	I've never owned an AMD card really though
22:55	benrob0329	But nvidia couldnt care less about open source
22:55	Calinou	their open source drivers seem to be good now, but you still don't get even 90% of the Windows performance in most cases
22:55	Calinou	yep, true
22:55	Calinou	(same for Intel open source drivers, too)
22:55	benrob0329	I hear recent AMD drivers are great
22:55	Calinou	Intel open source saves the day by being more compliant with graphics APIs than the Windows driver
22:55	Calinou	which is not known for its good OpenGL or even Direct3D support
22:55	benrob0329	I've had better luck with intel on linux and windows afaik
22:55	benrob0329	Performance wise
23:00	Fixer	i dislike AA
23:00	Fixer	maybe just 2x
23:03	Calinou	AA is one of the better things that happened to 3D rendering
23:03	Calinou	I remember looking at non-antialiased games, especially in lower resolutions like 1024Ã—768
23:03	Calinou	it was terrible
23:04	Calinou	AA makes any game, even classic Doom, look better
23:04	Fixer	Calinou: AA makes it blurry
23:04	Calinou	hmm, Wolfenstein is being crash-happy right now
23:05	Calinou	it froze once, loaded my save, it outright crashes a few seconds after loading save
23:05	Calinou	time for #winehq
23:05	Calinou	I'll try something first
23:05	Fixer	tip: never save during expected power outage
23:06	Calinou	the game autosaves at checkpoints, so I haven't lost much progress
23:06	Calinou	it's the least I expect from an AAA gameâ€¦
23:07	Fixer	lost my minetest sneak test world
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23:11	Calinou	oh, known bug: https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38668
23:12	Calinou	this is why you use OpenAL :D
23:22	Calinou	it works reliably with claiming to be Windows 7 + built-in XAudio2_7
23:22	Calinou	but changing the sound volume in-game does nothing! it stays loud even at volume set to 0!
23:22	Calinou	this can be fixed by using PulseAudio mixer, hopefully
23:25	Calinou	yep, works
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