| Time |
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| 00:08 |
Fixer |
i'm suddenly worried about that furnace change |
| 00:09 |
Fixer |
right now on CashWorld server i've discovered curious furnace bug, i'm not sure it is in default, i will try to check |
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garywhite |
What's going on Fixer? |
| 00:11 |
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| 00:14 |
Fixer |
put cactus and sand in furnace to cook it, went to other area, came back, glass was done but cactus was still burning out very slowly, i put 10 sand in it and it cocked instantly |
| 00:14 |
Fixer |
maybe it is server-specific problem, no idea |
| 00:29 |
Fixer |
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES |
| 00:29 |
Fixer |
found a gameplay blocking bug in new furnace |
| 00:29 |
Fixer |
reproduced in default |
| 00:29 |
Fixer |
i call it Instacook |
| 00:30 |
Fixer |
will post an issue soon |
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| 00:35 |
Fixer |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1455 This needs attention |
| 00:37 |
paramat |
one for sofar |
| 00:38 |
sofar |
maybe, gotta drive home from work first |
| 00:38 |
sofar |
could just be lag, too |
| 00:39 |
Fixer |
sofar: singleplayer |
| 00:39 |
Fixer |
confirmed in singleplayer and on server |
| 00:40 |
paramat |
try to reproduce locally and with known latest game |
| 00:40 |
Fixer |
paramat: i've just did |
| 00:41 |
Fixer |
on Dec 9, 2016 build |
| 00:42 |
paramat |
oh just saw those messages |
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Fixer |
will move from dec 9 to todays build tommorrow, too late to compile |
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| 01:09 |
Wuzzy |
lol. diamond axe breaks earlier than mese axe. and nobody noticed it for years |
| 01:09 |
garywhite |
lolol |
| 01:11 |
Wuzzy |
and i always wondered why chopping down trees eat away my diamonds so quickly |
| 01:11 |
Wuzzy |
now I know. :) |
| 01:11 |
Wuzzy |
diamond axe = 270 uses. mese axe = 540 uses |
| 01:13 |
paramat |
hm |
| 01:14 |
paramat |
i think diamond was meant to be superior to mese |
| 01:15 |
Wuzzy |
yes |
| 01:17 |
paramat |
yeah it's a deeper ore too |
| 01:17 |
paramat |
could you open an issue? |
| 01:19 |
Wuzzy |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1456 |
| 01:22 |
garywhite |
How many uses should a stone axe have? (I can test if you want) |
| 01:22 |
paramat |
thanks |
| 01:22 |
Wuzzy |
60 on normal tree |
| 01:23 |
garywhite |
Did you test or no? |
| 01:23 |
Wuzzy |
i calculated it |
| 01:23 |
Wuzzy |
but due to a bug, you will probably obtain 61 trees |
| 01:24 |
Wuzzy |
(this issue is also reported) |
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| 01:24 |
est31 |
Wuzzy: I can confirm the behaviour, but dont think its a bug |
| 01:24 |
est31 |
minetest is a game, not everything must be straightforward |
| 01:24 |
Wuzzy |
ugh... |
| 01:25 |
Wuzzy |
270 uses is as much as a bronze axe... |
| 01:25 |
Wuzzy |
all diamond tools are the best ones ... except diamond axe for ... reasons |
| 01:25 |
Wuzzy |
so basically you can have the same durability as diamond axe if you just craft a bronze axe |
| 01:26 |
Wuzzy |
i am very sure this is just a simple typo |
| 01:26 |
est31 |
well, in many games I know the most upgraded thing is not better than the second most upgraded thing |
| 01:26 |
est31 |
some tower defense games do this |
| 01:27 |
Wuzzy |
diamond axe is WORSE than mese axe, making it a waste of diamonds mostly |
| 01:27 |
est31 |
so, then experienced players dont craft it |
| 01:27 |
est31 |
only noobs do |
| 01:27 |
est31 |
diamond axe mines faster tough, right? |
| 01:28 |
Wuzzy |
i hope so |
| 01:28 |
Wuzzy |
if not i gonna explode |
| 01:28 |
est31 |
well, I have no authority on mtgame issues, I'm only an engine dev |
| 01:28 |
Wuzzy |
aha |
| 01:28 |
est31 |
so my opinion is only a comment |
| 01:28 |
Wuzzy |
btw i do not see any weblate update ... |
| 01:29 |
Wuzzy |
afaik the tool quality in Minetest Game was wood>stone>steel>broze>mese>diamond |
| 01:30 |
Wuzzy |
est31: so what happened to the translations? |
| 01:30 |
est31 |
Wuzzy: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commits/master |
| 01:30 |
Wuzzy |
ummmmm |
| 01:31 |
Wuzzy |
i actually meant weblate |
| 01:31 |
Wuzzy |
the strings ON weblate. |
| 01:31 |
Wuzzy |
or are they already up-to-date? |
| 01:31 |
Wuzzy |
if not you probably just pulled tons of outdated strings :) |
| 01:32 |
est31 |
Wuzzy: weblate should be updated as well |
| 01:32 |
Wuzzy |
ah. cool |
| 01:32 |
Wuzzy |
argh fuck |
| 01:32 |
Wuzzy |
this means german translation is still not at 100% |
| 01:33 |
Wuzzy |
cuz i thought you would update weblate strings, not pulling everything in |
| 01:33 |
Wuzzy |
anyway |
| 01:33 |
Wuzzy |
do you know what "to instrument" or "instrumentation" means? these words are used in the advanced settings for the profiler |
| 01:34 |
Wuzzy |
example string excerpt: “Have the profiler instrument itself:†|
| 01:34 |
est31 |
dont know a german word for it |
| 01:34 |
Wuzzy |
i did not ask for a translation |
| 01:35 |
Wuzzy |
just explain me what it means |
| 01:35 |
est31 |
instrumentation is a method where you change the program so that it can be analyzed by the profiler |
| 01:36 |
Wuzzy |
and when I "instrument" something, does this mean I ... well. .. overwrite code? |
| 01:37 |
Wuzzy |
i have the feeling tht "instrumentation" is Minetest slang here and not the "normal" english meaning |
| 01:37 |
Wuzzy |
and minetest slang is always hard to translate :( |
| 01:38 |
Wuzzy |
oh |
| 01:38 |
Wuzzy |
it seems i've just found a proper translation! yay |
| 01:41 |
garywhite |
wood axe gave me 31 tree |
| 01:48 |
garywhite |
Does anyone know if it would be possible to remove someone's ability to have creative on a creative server? |
| 01:49 |
Wuzzy |
no |
| 01:49 |
Wuzzy |
this is off topic |
| 01:49 |
garywhite |
didn't know if it may relate to core |
| 01:51 |
garywhite |
sorry |
| 01:52 |
Wuzzy |
ok what is “frustum� example: “Joystick frustum sensitivity†|
| 01:53 |
Wuzzy |
or “The sensitivity of the joystick axes for moving the ingame view frustum around.†|
| 02:05 |
paramat |
the view frustrum is the pyramid-shaped volume of space that is seen by a player |
| 02:05 |
garywhite |
diamond shovel = 820 dirt |
| 02:05 |
garywhite |
testing mese shovel now |
| 02:05 |
Wuzzy |
garywhite: o_O |
| 02:05 |
Wuzzy |
i expected 821 dirt cuz of bug |
| 02:06 |
Wuzzy |
are you seriously counting? loool |
| 02:06 |
Wuzzy |
oh its pyramid shaped. good to know |
| 02:06 |
garywhite |
I have it in survival, & just dug away. Then calculator to use 8 stacks + 28 extra |
| 02:07 |
Wuzzy |
weird |
| 02:08 |
Wuzzy |
est31: mt fails to build lol. msgfmt stops at locale "sw" |
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* est31 |
looks |
| 02:09 |
paramat |
well, rectangular pyramid |
| 02:09 |
paramat |
'view direction' is probably a fine alternative |
| 02:10 |
Wuzzy |
I think the string “Joystick frustum sensitivity†is pretty confusing then |
| 02:10 |
garywhite |
& 542 with mese |
| 02:10 |
Wuzzy |
542????? |
| 02:10 |
Wuzzy |
wow |
| 02:10 |
Wuzzy |
now things are getting weird |
| 02:10 |
garywhite |
Yup, is that another bug? |
| 02:10 |
Wuzzy |
this is 2 more than i expected |
| 02:11 |
garywhite |
Can someone please verify how many it digs? I'd rather have a second opinion to confirm |
| 02:11 |
octacian |
The joystick controls really need to be reworked. |
| 02:11 |
octacian |
garywhite: what problem are you having? |
| 02:11 |
Wuzzy |
results so far: wood axe off by 1. mese shovel off by 2. diamond shovel OK. |
| 02:12 |
garywhite |
nothing octacian |
| 02:12 |
Wuzzy |
octacian: none, garywhite is just testing all the tools by counting how many they dig |
| 02:12 |
garywhite |
Wuzzy found an issue with the axes, so I tested the same shovels |
| 02:12 |
octacian |
ohk |
| 02:13 |
est31 |
octacian: they need formspec support |
| 02:13 |
est31 |
octacian: any wishes for joysticks? |
| 02:15 |
Wuzzy |
hmmm i think the easy fix would be to allow to move cursor around with axes or D-Pad while in formspec mode |
| 02:15 |
Wuzzy |
old SNES games did this trick |
| 02:15 |
garywhite |
I don't think a mese shovel digging 2 more than it's supposed to is something that should be put up as an issue, should it? |
| 02:15 |
Wuzzy |
to fake a mouse cursor |
| 02:15 |
octacian |
aside from needing formspec support, It's pretty messed up. Moving is all normal, but looking from side-to-side should be done by rotating the stick itself, as with most flight simulators. Using the throttle for looking around, is just weird. I think it should instead control speed, full = sprint, mid = normal, and nothing = sneak. Just some basic opinions. |
| 02:15 |
Wuzzy |
garywhite: it is an issue because it violates the formula in lua_api.txt |
| 02:16 |
Wuzzy |
but it is an engine issue which I already posteed today |
| 02:16 |
Wuzzy |
for minetest game it is not an issue cuz the difference does ofc not matter |
| 02:16 |
octacian |
I think that the mouse cursor should be controlled by the main stick, as with moving. The trigger would be a left-click, while the larger button on the top of the stick should be right click. |
| 02:17 |
Wuzzy |
octacian: agreed |
| 02:17 |
garywhite |
Wuzzy: Should I add onto #4900? |
| 02:17 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4900 -- Number of tool uses is off by 1 |
| 02:17 |
Wuzzy |
garywhite: YES |
| 02:17 |
Wuzzy |
please |
| 02:17 |
garywhite |
ok |
| 02:17 |
Wuzzy |
the more data, the better |
| 02:18 |
Wuzzy |
especially the off-by-2 thing is interesting |
| 02:18 |
Wuzzy |
and the fact that the diamond shovel is NOT off |
| 02:18 |
octacian |
..and the mini "joystick" at the top, would control the selected item. Up/down would open/close inventory. Just an idea again. |
| 02:28 |
garywhite |
ok, comment made to #4900 |
| 02:28 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4900 -- Number of tool uses is off by 1 |
| 02:29 |
est31 |
Wuzzy: I cant reproduce |
| 02:29 |
est31 |
Wuzzy: builds fine for me |
| 02:49 |
Wuzzy |
est31: ok maybe it was just me |
| 02:49 |
est31 |
can you try again? |
| 02:49 |
Wuzzy |
est31: sorry, it seems weblate strings *are* outdated |
| 02:49 |
est31 |
and which part fails, make or cmake |
| 02:49 |
est31 |
plus, can you upload the error to a pastebin |
| 02:49 |
est31 |
Wuzzy: proof? |
| 02:50 |
Wuzzy |
in the main menu some settings strings are english only with no weblate equivalent |
| 02:50 |
est31 |
ok |
| 02:50 |
Wuzzy |
"Fog Start" |
| 02:50 |
est31 |
yeah it was recently added |
| 02:50 |
Wuzzy |
Client → Graphics → Game → Advanced → Fog Start (lowest entry) |
| 02:51 |
Wuzzy |
and a couple of other settings strings |
| 02:51 |
Wuzzy |
i hope feature freeze == string freeze :) |
| 02:52 |
Wuzzy |
est31: cmake is OK, make fails |
| 02:53 |
Wuzzy |
est31: I get this in my console: |
| 02:53 |
Wuzzy |
http://lpaste.net/raw/349909 |
| 02:53 |
Wuzzy |
mstfmt is bitching around |
| 02:53 |
est31 |
mhhh |
| 02:53 |
Wuzzy |
msgfmt* |
| 02:53 |
est31 |
that shouldnt happen indeed |
| 02:54 |
Wuzzy |
my gettext versoin = 0.19.8.1 |
| 02:54 |
Wuzzy |
est31: note: i will not stick around much longer here |
| 02:55 |
est31 |
no problem |
| 02:55 |
est31 |
Wuzzy: you gave me enough, thanks |
| 02:56 |
Wuzzy |
happy bug hunting! cya |
| 02:56 |
est31 |
cya |
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garywhite |
cya Wuzzy |
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est31 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/4904 |
| 05:03 |
paramat |
hi hmmmm please could you have a look at milestones #4847 and #4888 ? thought you might have some useful insight |
| 05:03 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4847 -- Fix unnecessary block loading and duplicating objects by juhdanad |
| 05:03 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4888 -- Handle multiple deserialization of a block's entities by Rogier-5 |
| 05:06 |
paramat |
especially 4847 as that is mapgen related |
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garywhite |
paramat: Are you a core dev? |
| 05:29 |
paramat |
yeah, but only because i'm good at mapgen ;] |
| 05:30 |
garywhite |
ok, cause someone needs to take a look at #4900 |
| 05:30 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4900 -- Number of tool uses is off by 1 |
| 05:35 |
paramat |
not a priority for me and not a critical bug |
| 05:36 |
paramat |
i'm not sure i agree with nerz adding it to milestones |
| 05:41 |
paramat |
in fact i'll remove it, it's not worth dev time at the moment |
| 05:41 |
paramat |
uses being very slightly approximate is minor |
| 05:48 |
paramat |
the 0.4.16 milestone seems useless too |
| 05:53 |
garywhite |
What about no milestone and a minor classification (That way it isn't listed as a pressing issue, but that way it's still on the development radar for whenever someone wants to try to fix it |
| 05:55 |
paramat |
'bug' label does that |
| 05:56 |
paramat |
#4682 is possibly worth considering |
| 05:56 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4682 -- Fix water flooding onto lava by juhdanad |
| 05:57 |
paramat |
but then, it's big changes to lighting, potentially dangerous |
| 05:57 |
garywhite |
It would need extensive testing |
| 06:06 |
paramat |
est31 can #4872 be merged now? |
| 06:06 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4872 -- Update Android build tools to latest version by rubenwardy |
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paramat |
will merge #4899 in a moment |
| 06:23 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4899 -- Cavegen: Wider tunnels in mgflat, mgfractal, mgvalleys by paramat |
| 06:25 |
sofar |
game#1457 |
| 06:25 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1457 -- Furnace: Erase src_time if no more items left in src. by sofar |
| 06:30 |
paramat |
merging |
| 06:34 |
paramat |
merged |
| 06:35 |
paramat |
thanks for that |
| 06:35 |
sofar |
It was good to go over the code again in depth |
| 06:45 |
paramat |
+1 |
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paramat |
1 week to release |
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nrzkt |
est31: travis seems to be red due to translations |
| 09:46 |
nrzkt |
on a non related PR: /home/travis/build/minetest/minetest/po/sw/minetest.po:295: `msgid' and `msgstr' entries do not both begin with '\n' |
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nrzkt |
i think you should do a PR to ensure you will not break other PR for updating translations, please |
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Fixer |
est31: had compile error probably due to this: http://pastebin.com/raw/zCKDFQvD |
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oh, it is already reported, nice |
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est31 |
Fixer: can you try again? |
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Fixer |
est31: yes |
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sofar |
Fixer: lol, it would be nice if you could LANG=en_US.utf-8 before reporting compile errors ;) |
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sofar |
I'm sure google translate butchers "Ñпроба Ð²Ð¸ÐºÐ¾Ð½Ð°Ð½Ð½Ñ Ñ€ÐµÑ†ÐµÐ¿Ñ‚Ð° Ð´Ð»Ñ Ð¼ÐµÑ‚Ð¸" |
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Fixer |
it should be obvious to people who use make and gcc |
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Fixer |
sofar: and it was already reported, so nevermind |
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sofar |
well, it's a gettext/msgfmt error, so it's not even a gcc error |
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Fixer |
est31: successfuly compiled without msgfmt errors |
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garywhite |
idk if this is for here or for #minetest (& if this is the wrong channel, I apologize in advance) but, if MT is on Google Play, why doesn't someone post it to the Amazon Appstore? That opens up a new market for Amazon Kindle Fire devices. i.e. for me the only way to use it on my Fire HD tablet is sideload with the APK from the website |
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sofar |
guys, is there a way to create a new world from the commandline? |
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sfan5 |
./bin/minetest --server --worldname "new_world" might work |
| 18:42 |
sofar |
Thread 1 "minetest" received signal SIGFPE, Arithmetic exception. |
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sofar |
0x000000000087e272 in PcgRandom::range (bound=0, this=0x7fffffffc290) |
| 18:42 |
sofar |
crud! |
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sfan5 |
oh there's an issue for that already |
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sofar |
sfan5: no, doesn't work |
| 18:43 |
sfan5 |
however that bug vanished on my machine |
| 18:43 |
sofar |
this is 0.4.14 |
| 18:43 |
sofar |
let's try master |
| 18:44 |
sofar |
hmm still there |
| 18:44 |
sfan5 |
cool |
| 18:44 |
sfan5 |
mod security is still broken |
| 18:44 |
ReadySetWait |
I get SIGFPE (floating point exception) when running unit tests...it happens right after the testPcgRandom test |
| 18:45 |
ReadySetWait |
0.4.14-dev-c67f2b2-dirty |
| 18:46 |
sfan5 |
oh gettext is also broken ,can't rebuild |
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est31 |
Fixer: thanks for testing! |
| 18:54 |
sfan5 |
est31: i'll merge #4904 in 10 mins |
| 18:54 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4904 -- Try to fix build with gettext enabled by est31 |
| 18:54 |
sfan5 |
and it also fixed the compile errors here |
| 18:54 |
est31 |
sfan5: its fixed |
| 18:54 |
est31 |
merged* |
| 18:54 |
sfan5 |
wait you alre... |
| 18:54 |
sfan5 |
oh |
| 18:54 |
sfan5 |
*pulls again* |
| 18:55 |
sfan5 |
also it seems that we can't leave mod security enabled at release #4909 |
| 18:55 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4909 -- Mod security: Still broken with different --world |
| 18:55 |
sfan5 |
it is broken with many "non-standard" configuration |
| 18:57 |
est31 |
well shrug its only about defaults |
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sfan5 |
what do you mean? |
| 18:59 |
sfan5 |
also it's still breaking the perfectly valid use case of reading files at runtime |
| 19:00 |
est31 |
I'm okay with both disabling it and keeping it enabled |
| 19:05 |
sfan5 |
ah |
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sfan5 |
est31: btw pcgrandom doesn't crash here |
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sfan5 |
my cxxflags are different from the default config though ("-march=native -O3") |
| 20:03 |
sfan5 |
oh and i use clang |
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sfan5 |
huh |
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sfan5 |
with this debug build some threading test crashes |
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sfan5 |
oh well that's caused by c++11 threads |
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sfan5 |
ugh |
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sfan5 |
hard to solve without an additional mutex |
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tenplus1 |
any forum devs in here tonight ??? |
| 21:25 |
celeron55 |
what's a forum dev? |
| 21:25 |
tenplus1 |
someone who handled minetest forums |
| 21:25 |
tenplus1 |
anyone with DA POWER to change it |
| 21:29 |
tenplus1 |
we have a user on forum who simple forked a mod that was just uploaded and changed a few models without even mentioning the original author, was wondering if it was against forum rules and could be removed |
| 21:30 |
Shara |
It's not even really a fork. He reuploaded the whole thing on github under a different mod name. |
| 21:30 |
sofar |
does the mod code use the proper attribution? |
| 21:30 |
sofar |
is there a license violation? |
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| 21:40 |
tenplus1 |
I suppose the only violation is not stating original author in mod itself |
| 21:40 |
tenplus1 |
but it's definitely a dick move: http://lolsnaps.com/upload_pic/d6794448-treenagers.png |
| 21:44 |
tenplus1 |
judge for yourselves: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16040 |
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| 21:47 |
garywhite |
Yeah, this is a blatant copy of the other_worlds mod (Didn't you write that one Shara?) |
| 21:47 |
Shara |
garywhite, yes. |
| 21:47 |
Shara |
I refused his request to switch models because... quite honestly, they look like what Ten says in the thread. |
| 21:48 |
Shara |
Totally inappropriate. |
| 21:48 |
garywhite |
& IIRC, not mentioning the original creator is a violation of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike license. Moving conversation to #minetest to avoid any issues |
| 21:49 |
Shara |
Well, I have nothing further to say on it really. If this is what I get for posting mods in the forums for people, it doesn't really inspire me to post more. |
| 21:50 |
garywhite |
That's just a guy that won't read the license for a mod before making changes |
| 21:50 |
Shara |
I would like an answer to Ten's question though. |
| 21:51 |
garywhite |
what was his question again? |
| 21:51 |
Shara |
It wasn't really a question about licenses, but rather about what is considered acceptable on the MT forurms. |
| 21:51 |
Shara |
forums* |
| 21:52 |
garywhite |
paramat is a forum moderator, I'll shoot it his way when he comes on later |
| 21:53 |
sofar |
the forum rules for WIP mods are fairly relaxed |
| 21:53 |
sofar |
the mods take action against license violations |
| 21:53 |
sofar |
but not against dick moves |
| 21:54 |
garywhite |
I'll read through the CC-BY-SA license and the repository, but not mentioning the creator, I believe is a violation of the license. Shara what is your mod's license? |
| 21:55 |
sofar |
he's not required to post attribution in the forum |
| 21:55 |
Shara |
I have asked for it to be moved out of WIP mods |
| 21:55 |
sofar |
he's not misrepresenting the authorship either, as far as I can see |
| 21:56 |
sofar |
sorry, it's a dick move but I don't see him fail to attribute in the source code, or misrepresent the origin, or violate licenses. |
| 21:57 |
Shara |
I feel I should in the absolute least be mentioned by name in the post. |
| 21:57 |
sofar |
"This is a fork of other_worlds." quote (with link) |
| 21:57 |
Shara |
paramat and tenplus1 are mentioned by name (using words I wrote myself, as though he is the one speaking them) |
| 21:58 |
Shara |
I'm not mentioned, even though it's my mod. |
| 21:58 |
garywhite |
Read license.txt on the repository |
| 21:58 |
sfan5 |
i don't see a problem anywhere |
| 21:59 |
Shara |
I don't think he changed it, other than to kick out Electra's work. |
| 21:59 |
sofar |
I see no license violation. Your name is listed and attributed properly too, Shara |
| 21:59 |
sofar |
(as an aside, this is exactly why I forbid forks in /minetest-mods/) |
| 22:01 |
Shara |
I haven't disputed whether there's a license issue, just to be clear. |
| 22:02 |
sfan5 |
well where's the problem then? |
| 22:02 |
Shara |
It is, as sofar has concluded, a dick move. I guess I am just surprised the forum allows another person's words to be used like that, as though they were his own. |
| 22:03 |
garywhite |
What she's saying is someone plagarized her post |
| 22:03 |
sofar |
afaik forum posts are public domain |
| 22:04 |
sofar |
I certainly would frown at anyone calling plagiarism over a forum post, sorry |
| 22:04 |
Shara |
garywhite, even I wouldn't really agree with you there. |
| 22:04 |
sfan5 |
....but where is the problem? |
| 22:04 |
garywhite |
ok, sorry. I may have misread the issue |
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* garywhite |
disappears quietly |
| 22:05 |
Shara |
sfan5: It's a dick move, end of. Ten wanted to query whether it was all within the rules, and left before getting an answer, so I asked for the answer. |
| 22:06 |
sofar |
I'm perfectly ok with you replying back on the forum and calling him out on it, btw |
| 22:06 |
Shara |
I did |
| 22:06 |
sofar |
I know |
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sfan5 |
did he edit his post in the meantime? |
| 22:06 |
sofar |
not that I can see |
| 22:06 |
Shara |
yes he did |
| 22:07 |
sofar |
ah |
| 22:07 |
Shara |
He's removed the text cerditing Ten and paramat |
| 22:07 |
sfan5 |
he's not required to keep that |
| 22:07 |
sofar |
if only I was a forum mod |
| 22:07 |
sfan5 |
and in the case of forking a mod copying description or something from another post seems legitimate to me |
| 22:07 |
garywhite |
You're not sofar, but paramat is ik |
| 22:08 |
garywhite |
oh wait...nvm |
| 22:08 |
sofar |
I've offered to help out, but the existing admins apparently don't hear my requests |
| 22:08 |
Shara |
Well, it looks like there is nothing to be done within the rules anyway. |
| 22:08 |
Shara |
sfan5: I am actually glad he removed the text. |
| 22:08 |
sfan5 |
what would you want a forum mod to do anyway? |
| 22:09 |
Fixer |
added new bug for carts people: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1458 |
| 22:09 |
rom1504 |
he would mod |
| 22:09 |
sfan5 |
rom1504: thank you for your worthwhile contribution to this discussion |
| 22:09 |
sofar |
sfan5: look at the history of the post |
| 22:10 |
sofar |
:) |
| 22:10 |
Shara |
sfan5: sorry, but this feels a bit beside the point. All I did was request an answer to Ten's query. |
| 22:10 |
sfan5 |
Shara: well the answer is: it's not a rule violation |
| 22:10 |
Shara |
I got that already. |
| 22:10 |
Shara |
I haven't asked for anything to be done |
| 22:10 |
sfan5 |
sofar: there's no history for posts |
| 22:11 |
sfan5 |
not you but other people seem to expect something to be done |
| 22:12 |
Shara |
I know where I stand, and that's all I need. Sure, I think pithy should not have posted, but I don't expect action outside the scope of the rules. |
| 22:15 |
rom1504 |
sfan5: :D |
| 22:32 |
Fixer |
sofar: i rereported bugs properly and now we have two reports, one has fix, another needs fix |
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Fixer |
new bug report for extracooking bug: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1459 |
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sofar |
Fixer: tyty :) |
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sofar |
Fixer: alright, try game#1457 now |
| 23:20 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1457 -- Furnace: Erase src_time if no more items left in src. by sofar |
| 23:21 |
Fixer |
ok |
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| 23:27 |
Fixer |
sofar: damn, long cook bug is more complex |
| 23:27 |
Fixer |
sofar: it is fixed when sand cooking is done and you approach it -> furnace shutdowns |
| 23:27 |
Fixer |
buuut |
| 23:27 |
Fixer |
here is bad part |
| 23:28 |
sofar |
lol |
| 23:28 |
Fixer |
sofar: there were 2-3 cacti remaining so I've put 30 sand in it and fly away - wait few minutes - come back, still cooks the sand... BUT, now this bug again, it still overcooks loots of sand :( |
| 23:29 |
sofar |
I'm starting to regret this code |
| 23:29 |
Fixer |
hah |
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| 23:31 |
Fixer |
sofar: wait |
| 23:32 |
Fixer |
sofar: i will recheck cook time once more |
| 23:33 |
Fixer |
rechecking |
| 23:34 |
Fixer |
sofar: don't edit anything, i was wrong, just need to recheck once more |
| 23:34 |
Fixer |
sofar: your fix should be good, hold on |
| 23:36 |
Fixer |
still suspicious, checking :( |
| 23:37 |
sofar |
I appreciate your thoroughness |
| 23:37 |
sofar |
but I'm not liking the code as is anyway :( |
| 23:38 |
Fixer |
sofar: It is overcooking :( |
| 23:39 |
sofar |
meh |
| 23:39 |
sofar |
I feel like reverting the whole damn patch |
| 23:42 |
Fixer |
sofar: i've measured, normally 1 cactus cooks about 5 sand, but here 1 afked away for 1minute and flame from last cactus smelted much more than 10-20, after end of this long cook next cook time was proper |
| 23:43 |
Fixer |
sofar: so your patch fixed only part when it is out of sand to cook, but not if it still cooks the sand |
| 23:43 |
sofar |
the algorithm does something weird, which I don't lile |
| 23:43 |
sofar |
like* |
| 23:43 |
sofar |
and so it makes it hard to understand, but it also has some consequences |
| 23:44 |
sofar |
including, these bugs |
| 23:46 |
Fixer |
sofar: i will upload the gif to show you |
| 23:46 |
sofar |
the problem is the fuel_totaltime variable |
| 23:50 |
Fixer |
sofar: demo https://imgur.com/a/ZY3wM |
