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01:30 emunandPC like we discussed in the minetest channel, how come there isn't a Minetest app in the Amazon App Store? it seems easy to add in since Minetest for Android doesn't require Google Play APIs and that most Amazon devices run on Android
01:31 emunandPC this could also give us a way to get onto iOS device officially
01:31 emunandPC or rather, "officially"
01:32 garywhite iOS?
01:33 emunandPC Amazon App Store is downloadable through the Apple App Store
01:37 garywhite I think you mean the Amazon Shop, all of Amazon's apps are on Android-only. The Amazon Appstore does not work on the Unix and BSD-based iOS
01:38 emunandPC oh did they remove it?
01:38 longerstaff13 oh, iOS is BSD-based? I thought it was Unix...
01:38 garywhite It never worked with it AFAIK
01:39 emunandPC bsd is based on unix right?
01:39 garywhite & iOS is based off of a combo of Unix & a port of BSD that is used to create macOS
01:39 longerstaff13 yeah
01:39 emunandPC but its not *nix
01:40 emunandPC BSD's not Unix!
01:40 garywhite BSD is part of the Unix family
01:41 emunandPC i know, its a joke of GNU
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02:04 est31 emunandPC: please dont do this "instead of us", unless its an account maintained by the core team its bad
02:05 est31 because even if you will never do it, we cant be sure whether you say "ZOMG it has 300 000 downloads, if I add ads I'm rich!"
02:05 est31 or, you won't update it after some time
02:05 est31 so someone on the core team has to step up and do it
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02:06 emunandPC i thought you cannot have ads on GPL licensed code?
02:07 ReadySetWait Apparently SourceForge didn't get that memo a while back
02:08 emunandPC sourceforge used to be infested with malware, i do not trust it
02:10 est31 1. minetest is LGPL licensed not GPL
02:10 emunandPC i would rather use github and the likes
02:10 est31 2. I don't know the legalities of that
02:10 est31 still, its better to be on the safe side
02:11 est31 also, what happens if you stop liking minetest
02:11 est31 if you say "minecraft is best, I'm not updating the app"
02:11 est31 then it will be forever stuck on that version
02:11 est31 you can add maintainers for lots of things, but for these kinds of app stores, where apps are totally tied to their creators, its simply not possible, sadly
02:12 est31 s/creators/uploaders/
02:14 emunandPC so most likely no amazon app store release soon unless the developers do it themselves?
02:15 emunandPC yeah, LGPL allows commercial use as well
02:20 garywhite Well, I uploaded MT for Windows to Download.com and anyone can do it, looks like. I was able to post it under Minetest as company name, and it filed under the same product result
02:21 garywhite Plus IIRC I got c55's permission to manage the releases to Download.com for now
02:22 paramat IIRC? better check to be sure
02:26 garywhite I'll ask him again tomorrow
02:26 garywhite Wait, lemme dig out my logs
02:29 garywhite https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/kItMYZ4P/
02:29 paramat ok cool
02:31 garywhite If you go to the page on Download.com, it showed 0.4.4, then 0.4.7 as the only ones posted
02:31 paramat just be sure to keep the core devs notified of what's going on, usually a core dev would do this
02:34 est31 download.com is a bit different though as I think stuff is not tightly tied to the uploader there
02:34 est31 as on normal android app stores
02:42 paramat ok
02:46 garywhite I just uploaded the 0.4.14 release last week
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03:04 paramat ~tell ShadowNinja please can you help with https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4909 ?
03:04 ShadowBot paramat: O.K.
03:16 paramat i may have too tweak footstep gains, i made the glass one too quiet and some others are too loud
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06:32 celeron55 i agree with est31
06:38 celeron55 if a site or store only allows updates from one account, the account has to be owned by a person trusted by this community, and if the only way to allow uploads by others to an account is to compromise it, then the trusted person has to do the uploads; same thing with the signing of packages that have to be signed with the same key forever
06:44 celeron55 that doesn't mean some preparation work can't be done by a new contributor though
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06:45 celeron55 to save the time of the trusted ones
06:48 paramat forum is very slow / timing-out for me
06:59 paramat now improving
07:14 celeron55 looks like mysqld has totally crapped onto itself during an attempt to make an automatic backup of the forum; i killed the backup and it's still stuck
07:15 celeron55 i wish the forum used postgresql
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07:25 celeron55 kill -9 $mysqld? seems like a great idea, lol
07:28 celeron55 well, aside from just waiting, that's the only thing i can do
07:29 celeron55 it's still using 100% of the i/o capacity of that vps
07:29 celeron55 doing... essentially nothing i guess
07:42 celeron55 it's continuously consuming more RAM, lol
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07:43 celeron55 ok now i killed it
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07:46 celeron55 well it wasn't so easy to kill but now it's dead
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07:52 celeron55 i started it and it still doesn't like to exist; i think this might be some kind of a throttling situation; meh
07:54 celeron55 i wish i could just choose to get billed for occasional extra resources instead of essentially paying for headache and a shut down website
08:24 celeron55 this thing just refuses to work; you'll have to be without forums for the rest of the day
08:25 celeron55 i killed another resource-hungry thing that was in not much use but that changed nothing
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09:38 paramat forum is responsive again for me :]
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11:25 sfan5 celeron55: you actually use mysql and not mariadb? :o
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11:28 troller sorry im cat
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12:38 celeron55 sfan5: mariadb's binary is called mysqld
12:41 sfan5 huh indeed, thought it was named differently
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12:51 nrzkt sfan5: no for retrocompat
12:51 nrzkt libmariadbclient is also libmysqlclient.so :)
12:53 DuCake Hello - for some reason my server is not loading a certain couple of mods (most visibly, "mobs" and "zmobs") causing a cascade of non-loading mods. The reason for it however I cannot find - all mods are installed, all mods required are marked active in the world.mt and present in the mods folder, I checked the permissions on the folders and did chown -R the appropriate user (the same I am launching minetest as) but
12:53 DuCake to no avail.... I ran it once with "--info --verbose" but that doesn't seem to tell me why the specific mods are not loading...
12:53 DuCake http://pastebin.com/NAY73nLR
12:54 DuCake change that happened previous - I did a git pull on tenplus1/mobs_redo -- but it shows no conflicts and the minetest log reveals that it didn't even try to load that mod ?
12:55 DuCake Ubuntu 16.04 , build from some time in November which has been working fine over the last few reboots...
12:55 DuCake Build info: VER=0.4.14-dev-fb20b45-dirty BUILD_TYPE=Release RUN_IN_PLACE=1 USE_GETTEXT=0 USE_SOUND=1 USE_CURL=1 USE_FREETYPE=1 USE_LUAJIT=0 STATIC_SHAREDIR="."
12:56 sfan5 is zmobs a modpack
12:56 sfan5 also this is the dev channel, for general issues use #minetest
12:57 DuCake ah whoops apologies
12:57 DuCake will switch over
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18:01 garywhite celeron55: The Servers page on the forum is running pretty slow, idk if it is related to the issues with your SQL database last night
18:03 celeron55 that doesn't make sense
18:04 garywhite General Discussion is running fine
18:04 garywhite But Servers is running slow, maybe it's something with the connection here in the States
18:08 VanessaE seems fine here, takes maybe a second to refresh the page
18:08 VanessaE (at least servers.minetest.net)
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18:10 garywhite Well I think I found the issue...My Internet just nipped out, so to speak
18:10 VanessaE that would do it :P
18:10 twoelk the internet nipped to speak?
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18:56 sfan5 VanessaE: servers.minetest.net is not related to the forum in any way
18:56 VanessaE sfan5: oh, I read it as "the servers list"
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23:56 paramat hi hmmmm what do you think of #4847 ? simple but in critical code, perhaps too risky to merge just before release?
23:56 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4847 -- Fix unnecessary block loading and duplicating objects by juhdanad
23:58 hmmmm whats' this
23:59 hmmmm oh god
23:59 hmmmm i see EmergeThread being modified

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