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00:01 rubenwardy Could NOT find Curses and LuaJIT not found, using bundled Lua: after having done sudo apt get install luajit ncurses-dev?
00:05 E4xoi where does calinou live
00:05 E4xoi im worried for him
00:06 rubenwardy -DCURSES_USE_NCURSES=1 -DCURSES_INCLUDE_PATH="/usr/include/curses.h" -DCURSES_LIBRARY="/lib/x86_6​4-linux-gnu/libncurses.so.5" solves it
00:07 kahrl_ rubenwardy: very strange, FindCurses.cmake should definitely look in those places
00:08 rubenwardy now for fixing luajit...
00:08 kahrl_ although if you want proper unicode support, you should use ncursesw instead of ncurses
00:10 rubenwardy luajit fixed with -DENABLE_LUAJIT=1 -DLUA_INCLUDE_DIR="/usr/include/luajit.h" -DLUA_LIBRARY="/lib/x86_65​-linux-gnu/luajit-5.1.so"
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00:13 Xack (010538)            E4xoi | im worried for him
00:13 Xack i was hoping they'd be online so i could ask them if they're alright
00:23 rubenwardy turned out that luajit is called libluajit-5.1-dev
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00:36 rubenwardy /usr/bin/ld: CMakeFiles/minetestserver.dir​/terminal_chat_console.cpp.o: undefined reference to symbol 'wtimeout'
00:40 thePalindrome_ If I submitted a patch for the engine to expose an api function, how hard would it be to get it accepted?
00:41 rubenwardy depends
00:41 rubenwardy on the quality of the patch
00:42 rubenwardy if the patch is good, then it will be easy
00:42 rubenwardy however you'll need to pressure devs into reviewing and accepting your patch
00:55 thePalindrome_ I see
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01:11 JohnnyComeL8ly rubenwardy: You have to make sure that libncursesw-dev is installed.
01:12 JohnnyComeL8ly rubenwardy: I went through the same issues... I had to learn that "luajit" is like a python console.
01:13 rubenwardy I tried libluajit-dev and libluajit and luajit-dev, but none of them worked
01:13 rubenwardy stupid version quantifiers
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01:14 JohnnyComeL8ly Don't you have a "lister" for the packages available in Fedora?
01:15 JohnnyComeL8ly rubenwardy: Like " apt search <pkg_name> "
01:16 rubenwardy ah
01:16 JohnnyComeL8ly or sub pkg_name for keyword
01:18 JohnnyComeL8ly rubenwardy: Did you install libncursesw ?
01:19 thePalindrome_ yum/dnf can search
01:19 JohnnyComeL8ly That is necessary for " --terminal " to be working....
01:19 thePalindrome_ btw, on debian it's apt-cache
01:19 rubenwardy I disabled curses in the end
01:19 rubenwardy but libncursesw existed in /lib/x86 whatever
01:20 JohnnyComeL8ly thePalindrome_: I like the colors in apt. ;-)
01:23 JohnnyComeL8ly rubenwardy: I found est31's --terminal to be interesting... I could imagine using it for my own server (I did use it, but it was just for my littlest brothers).
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03:22 rubenwardy !title http://rubenwardy.com/mtostd/
03:22 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Welcome - Minetest Standards
03:22 rubenwardy an attempt to make a collection of guidelines and lists to help make mods interact with each other better.
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03:30 JohnnyComeL8ly rubenwardy: Sounds good.
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04:29 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Mgfractal: Create a choice of 4 mandelbrot formulas 987d6a8 http://git.io/v4LM7 (2015-11-14T04:25:47Z)
04:31 swift110-phone Hey
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04:52 MinetestBot [git] Rui914 -> minetest/minetest_game: Beds: Make non pointable by pointable definition 1d8def5 http://git.io/v4LSD (2015-11-14T04:49:22Z)
04:52 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Default, fire: Disable catch-up in some ABMs e41a411 http://git.io/v4LSy (2015-11-14T04:49:03Z)
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05:19 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Beds: Re-add commas at list ends 4ef6810 http://git.io/v4L5C (2015-11-14T05:18:11Z)
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06:38 M_Angel I updated my game
06:39 M_Angel now when I try to runt it
06:39 M_Angel I get this error:
06:39 M_Angel minetest: symbol lookup error: minetest: undefined symbol: _ZNK7leveldb6Status8ToStringB5cxx11Ev
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07:08 M_Angel nvm me dumb
07:08 M_Angel I fixed that
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07:50 bleak_fire_ hi
07:51 bleak_fire_ my server has been destroyed by corium griefers
07:51 bleak_fire_ i never heard of corium
07:51 bleak_fire_ or chernobylite
07:51 bleak_fire_ but i changed "enable_corium_griefing" to "false" and it still allows corium sources and spilling corium buckets
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07:54 bleak_fire_ i have lava protection mod on for a reason
07:54 bleak_fire_ there should be a corium one
07:55 bleak_fire_ the option "enable corium griefing" doesnt seem to stop it
07:55 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Decoration API: Fix missing low density decorations fc89f46 http://git.io/v4tkk (2015-11-14T07:54:03Z)
07:59 bleak_fire_ problem is if i disable the whole technic mod i lose the chests
08:03 bleak_fire_ chernobylite is a bitch to cut through and there's so much of it
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10:17 Xack Calinou: !!!!!
10:17 Xack Calinou: are you alright?
10:18 Obani ?
10:19 Xack Obani: concerning the attacks in paris last night
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10:20 Obani 0.o
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10:21 Krock Xack, do you know how HUGE paris is?
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10:22 Xack Krock: there's always a chance sheesh :P
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10:22 Xack at least let me express some sort of concern for Calinou
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10:22 Calinou hi
10:22 Obani Calinou, you're from Paris ?
10:22 Calinou no, I'm near Troyes
10:22 Calinou which is 120 km away
10:22 Xack ah
10:22 Obani Yeah, that's what I was thinking to xD
10:22 Xack anyway hi czl
10:23 * Krock drives to Troyes and shouts for "Calinou, where are you!?"
10:23 Calinou I don't know anyone in real life who plays Minetest, they all play Minecraft
10:24 Krock Me neither.. we must spread Minetest like .. spread.
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10:46 bleak_fire_ AFAIK Minecraft doesnt have protection and you're stuck with the lego style graphics, right?
10:47 Calinou bleak_fire_, you can use realistic texture packs :P
10:48 Krock realistic textures for an UFO, as example
11:00 bleak_fire_ ok well i'm going to bed now, realbadangel just fixed the technic problem i was having, you might want to update your installation of technic
11:00 bleak_fire_ or face griefers
11:01 bleak_fire_ same with plantlife_modpack a griefer bug was very recently fixed
11:01 bleak_fire_ goodnight
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14:08 hisforever Where Can I get the url  to post a screen shot up in here?
14:12 ElectronLibre https://lut.im/ This one should be good enough.
14:13 hisforever thanks
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14:18 hisforever never got this kind of message before, here is the screen shot? https://lut.im/9Op6SaDXUf/xGWuL5x1dU3VdoO3.png
14:19 Calinou hisforever, get up-to-date Minetest from a PPA or build from source.
14:19 Calinou we don't support 0.4.9 anymore
14:19 hisforever ok thanks
14:19 Calinou https://code.launchpad.net/~minetest​devs/+archive/daily-builds/+packages
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14:43 sea`` Can a minetest mod add a new type of brick?
14:44 Calinou sea``, yes, that's very easy
14:45 sea`` Oh good. I wanna figure out how to add 3 new bricks so that I can dig a big hole
14:46 Calinou sea``, http://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/
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15:00 sea`` Aw, I'm not allowed to pester other people to make it for me
15:01 sea`` I'll build my hole-digger-o-matic myself, then, and use it to build a mountain
15:04 Krock :D
15:05 Krock But how will you build a mountain with a hole-digger-o-matic?
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15:17 sea`` I gots me 3 blocks, a center, a radius marker, and a destination. You put the center down, then the radius marker some distance away, and when the destination block is placed, all blocks within distance(center,radius-marker) distance of the center are swapped with the corresponding block around the destination marker. It swaps two ball regions
15:18 sea`` So if I dig a deep hole and drop the center block, then run faaaar away and place the radius block, then run faaaar away and drop the destination block, I'll have a big sphere of earth suddenly plopped into place. Spherical mountain!
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15:25 knobo1 What's new in latest minetest
15:25 knobo1 ?
15:28 Krock !dev changelog
15:28 MinetestBot No such page.
15:29 Krock !wiki changelog
15:29 MinetestBot No such page.
15:29 Obani lawl
15:29 VanessaE !g minetest dev changelog
15:29 MinetestBot VanessaE: http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog
15:29 Krock http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog
15:29 Krock NUUH
15:29 VanessaE ninja'd :)
15:29 Krock always those ninjas...
15:29 CWz VanessaE, hello
15:29 VanessaE hi
15:30 CWz NinjaSandwitch
15:32 Obani What do you have against ninjas ?
15:32 Krock High network delays
15:32 Krock and fast fingers
15:43 knobo1 thanks
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15:50 JohnnyComeL8ly ¡Holla!
15:53 VanessaE [o]ff oh hell, I read that as ctrl-alt before :P
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16:30 hoodedice dot
16:31 sea`` goose
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16:31 tim_flatus jellybeans
16:31 hoodedice ewww android
16:31 hoodedice fun fact: Jordach converted me to windowsphonemasterrace
16:32 hoodedice so I got a new shiny Lumia 640 XL
16:33 tim_flatus I'm getting lighting anomalies. I'm hoping this has something to do with my version of MT being compiled against an older version of irrlicht than the one I have installed.
16:34 hoodedice is everything red?
16:35 tim_flatus no
16:35 hoodedice describe the afore mentioned "lighting anomalies", please
16:35 hoodedice I would love it if you could supply a screenshot as well
16:35 tim_flatus It happens around moretrees spawns, particularly ppines and jungltrees AFAICT
16:36 tim_flatus screenshot should suffice. One moment.
16:37 who_wants_some dark shadow below moretrees? *cough*
16:37 hoodedice okay, that is out of my league then... But post the screenshot here and someone else might be able to help you out
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16:38 Jordach tim_flatus, probably treegen not performing a light update once built
16:40 hoodedice hmm, if the trees are genned after the mapgen, then it could be the worldedit-style lighting anomaly
16:40 tim_flatus http://imgur.com/q9cC5D0
16:40 Jordach tim_flatus, grow a tree
16:40 tim_flatus Yes that ^
16:40 Jordach (that should restart the lighting in that area)
16:40 hoodedice I think this can be fixed by having a lightupdate script thing in mods that deal with mod genning thing
16:41 hoodedice eeeeyup, if you dig around, or place a block and remove it, it should fix some parts of the lighting
16:41 hoodedice but do try growing a tree
16:41 tim_flatus There are several problems with just growing a tree - lack of light being one.
16:41 hoodedice I think if you plant a seed it should update that chunk
16:41 hoodedice which will relight the area
16:42 hoodedice do try
16:42 tim_flatus It doesn't
16:42 tim_flatus I have
16:42 hoodedice then this bug needs to be reported to whoever is moretrees' author
16:42 tim_flatus VanessaE knows about this already
16:42 VanessaE that would be me..
16:43 VanessaE the lighting issues are not moretrees though
16:43 VanessaE the engine handles light kinda badly in some cases.
16:43 VanessaE all moretrees does is call spawn_tree().  the engine handles the rest.
16:44 tim_flatus I have fixed this kind of thing by replacing air nodes with worldedit,
16:46 tim_flatus Is it something to do with the tree models crossing chunk boundaries?
16:46 VanessaE yes
16:46 tim_flatus Anyway I won't worry about either my graphics card or Irrlicht versions right now if that is the case.
16:46 VanessaE sometimes the engine doesn't emerge enough mapblocks to hold the tree model, or emerges them in the wrong order, something like that
16:47 tim_flatus OK thanks VanessaE
16:47 VanessaE hmmmm can explain it better.
16:47 hoodedice !next
16:47 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
16:48 hoodedice sfan5, can you make a !sorrynext, that makes MinetestBot say "Sorry we couldn't help you. Next!"
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17:00 rubenwardy hoodedice, enjoy having no apps!
17:01 hoodedice rubenwardy, I have what I need =D
17:01 hoodedice reddit, third party steam, skype and whatsapp.
17:01 hoodedice email and most of the other stuff is native, and well built
17:02 VanessaE what, no IHeartRadio?
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17:10 tim_flatus This seems to be what I'm looking for: https://github.com/Gael-de-Sailly/mapfix
17:15 hoodedice I don't listen to much musics
17:15 hoodedice but I use mp3s anyway
17:16 VanessaE we normally do as well (in the car for example), but the IHR app is rather convenient at times.
17:19 MinetestBot [git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Load sound from memory 395ef21 http://git.io/v4mIh (2015-11-14T18:17:32+01:00)
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17:43 TheWild GL related: I have cube built out of triangles using one VBO for vertices position and one VBO for triangles. Do I really need another VBO to paint it with single color?
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17:48 JohnnyComeL8ly I don't like Android the best, but it is better than the other mainstream alternatives.  The best, imo, is a "regular" GNU/Linux desktop with tablet friendly UI, like GNOME 3.
17:48 JohnnyComeL8ly Not, Unity....
17:52 est31 Interesting, there are actually people who like GNOME 3.
17:52 est31 well, thats what diversity is about
17:54 Out`Of`Control is lott server  down?
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17:56 * who_wants_some likes win2000 classic theme
17:57 JohnnyComeL8ly who_wants_some, is serious?
17:57 who_wants_some i'm serious
17:57 who_wants_some it is simple, clean and easy to use
17:58 JohnnyComeL8ly I'm most interested in a stable UI, so if I can't get fancy and stable I'll drop to stable and plain.
17:58 who_wants_some forget about stable ui
17:58 who_wants_some linux got that problem, and windows too
17:58 who_wants_some and mac os too
17:58 who_wants_some too much changes for sake of changes
17:58 JohnnyComeL8ly who_wants_some, yeah, but some are worse than others.
17:59 who_wants_some win2000 is last business-like theme, next ones went into shiny ass department
18:00 JohnnyComeL8ly est31, I thought I wouldn't like GNOME 3 because everyone was blubbering about it, but I like the UI overall. Plus the fact that they are moving to Wayland is an attractor.
18:00 who_wants_some i don't like some aspects of G3
18:01 who_wants_some no taskbar, no minimize button, that is BS9000
18:01 JohnnyComeL8ly who_wants_some, "shiny ass"...? wut on earth....
18:01 est31 JohnnyComeL8ly, everybody is moving to wayland
18:01 who_wants_some shiny, glassy, greeny, flaty, whatever
18:01 JohnnyComeL8ly There is no taskbar, but you can place minimize buttons, just is in the settings.
18:01 est31 JohnnyComeL8ly, even X devs
18:02 who_wants_some what I don't like is the move to FLAT land, everything is flat, buttons, text, controls, i mean wtf?
18:02 JohnnyComeL8ly Well, Unity/Ubuntu isn't afaik.
18:02 JohnnyComeL8ly who_wants_some, I think it looks better than win2000.
18:03 who_wants_some there is no reason to hide minimize/maximize... why on Earth?
18:03 JohnnyComeL8ly I don't like how Win8 did "flat" but it doesn't look the worst.
18:03 JohnnyComeL8ly who_wants_some, you didn't spend much time using it, did you?
18:04 who_wants_some G3?
18:04 who_wants_some i've added everything back, as usual
18:05 who_wants_some wth is wrong with those people, they hide necessary things and users are forced to hack everything via obscure tweak tools
18:05 who_wants_some i don't want gnome tweak tool %)
18:06 who_wants_some this minimize/maximize buttons should be in settings
18:06 who_wants_some whatever
18:06 who_wants_some gnome people are strange, like mac os people
18:07 who_wants_some maybe they are same one
18:07 who_wants_some think different (c)
18:09 who_wants_some at least linux people have all kinds of box, wm, xfce, lqxt, lxde
18:09 who_wants_some also it feels like gnomers take GTK as hostage
18:09 who_wants_some and want to sink with it deeper
18:10 Calinou Qt master race
18:10 Calinou flat design is great, who_wants_some
18:10 Calinou it compresses better (eg. screenshot), is faster to render, is easier to code…
18:10 who_wants_some remember systray icon support removal? wtf was that!?
18:10 Calinou it's not necessarily easier to make though
18:11 who_wants_some why on earth they remove systray support in gtk? it is like they are shooting in their own balls
18:13 who_wants_some latest news make me depressive, w10 bs, spying, telemetry, encryption, vulnerabilites everywhere, mt is slow, plasma is not stable, gnome is adding features
18:15 JohnnyComeL8ly who_wants_some, I don't want some of that... bad news.
18:19 JohnnyComeL8ly VanessaE, I couldn't get the Ctrl + Shift + U to work... I think it depends on the APP.
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18:49 hisforever Where can I find a mineters download for ubuntu?
18:50 Gael-de-Sailly minetest is downloaded from apt
18:50 Calinou hisforever, https://launchpad.net/~minetestd​evs/+archive/ubuntu/daily-builds
18:50 Calinou follow the instructions on "Adding this PPA to your system"
18:50 hisforever tjanks
18:50 Gael-de-Sailly why daily builds ?
18:50 Calinou they're more recent :)
18:50 Gael-de-Sailly some people want stable releases only
18:51 Calinou hisforever, if you want only stable releases, go there: https://launchpad.net/~minete​stdevs/+archive/ubuntu/stable
18:51 Gael-de-Sailly so hisforever, you have the choice :)
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19:00 hisforever Ok I found the file to copy how do I compile it? please?
19:02 hisforever I'm not a programer a newbee to this kind of stuff
19:08 JohnnyComeL8ly hisforever, You have a .deb file, correct?
19:09 Calinou don't download .deb directly, hisforever
19:09 Calinou add the APT repository as described
19:10 JohnnyComeL8ly Calinou, you can, but you won't get updates.
19:10 Calinou there's no real dependency management with plain dpkg
19:11 JohnnyComeL8ly You can install with Ubuntu Software Center.
19:11 Calinou the version in official Ubuntu repositories is out of date
19:11 Calinou especially on Ubuntu LTS
19:11 JohnnyComeL8ly *You can use USC to install local .deb files that you downloaded.
19:12 Calinou also USC is slow as hell :)
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19:18 fireglow !seen hybriddog
19:18 MinetestBot fireglow: Sorry, I haven't seen hybriddog around.
19:18 hisforever the download software center has the old version of 2.1 grrrrr
19:18 JohnnyComeL8ly Calinou, I know. ;-P
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19:21 rubenwardy How would I identify entities in a spatial partition for the purpose of synchronising them across server/client?
19:22 rubenwardy If I assigned a unique id to each, then I'd need to have some hash map to look them up from by id
19:22 rubenwardy alternatively the id could be based on MapBlocks, in which case the id may change a lot - could cause bugs if the packet is dropped
19:23 rubenwardy this is OT, btw
19:23 rubenwardy I think I'll use unique ids and a std::map, and worry about optimisation later
19:24 Calinou use reliable UDP implementation, or TCP
19:24 Calinou (eg. enet)
19:24 rubenwardy ew enet
19:25 rubenwardy I'm currently using raw UDP sockets
19:25 rubenwardy I tried to setup enet, but I couldn't work it out. I found raw UDP a lot easier
19:25 est31 Calinou, enet is an example of a non reliable UDP implememtation as it seems
19:26 Calinou rubenwardy, raw TCP might be easier
19:26 rubenwardy No
19:26 est31 I mean non reliable in the sense of "dont use it", not in the sense of "properties of the protocol"
19:26 rubenwardy TCP doesn't send immediately
19:26 Calinou est31, yes, it lacks IPv6 support
19:26 rubenwardy it can have up to 2 seconds of buffer
19:26 Calinou but lots of people seem to say it's good
19:26 rubenwardy !g TCP for gamine
19:26 MinetestBot rubenwardy: https://1024monkeys.wordpress.com/2​014/04/01/game-servers-udp-vs-tcp/
19:27 Calinou "gamine" means "child" here :P
19:28 rubenwardy the packets could give a clue of the partition its in.
19:29 rubenwardy For example, Entity 0x13040505 in partition (123,321,0)
19:29 gravgun TCP sorta sucks for gaming
19:29 gravgun SCTP masterrace!
19:29 rubenwardy TCP is ok for chess/turn based
19:29 rubenwardy !g SCTP
19:29 MinetestBot rubenwardy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Str​eam_Control_Transmission_Protocol
19:29 est31 gravgun, there is no general "tcp sucks" or "tcp is great" for gaming
19:30 gravgun >"sorta"
19:30 est31 well it sorta doesnt suck as well
19:30 gravgun Depends on the game
19:30 gravgun sure for turn-based games it's perfect
19:31 gravgun for more real-time applications it's less suited
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20:22 DutchGamer gawd forgot my password on Minetest -_-
20:22 est31 DutchGamer, minetest passwords are per-server
20:22 est31 so contact the server owner to reset it
20:23 DutchGamer its on a VanessaE server and yes know haha its per-server
20:25 JohnnyComeL8ly I'm glad it is so....
20:25 DutchGamer so Vanessa!! help me xD
20:28 TheWild I forgot password once, but now I do not remember which server it was.
20:28 DutchGamer damn that s*cks
20:30 Krock DutchGamer, you're allowed to write the full word here
20:30 DutchGamer since when thats allowed? xD
20:30 Krock since sucks.
20:30 DutchGamer ah xD okay that sucks xD
20:30 Krock no, it doesn't suck, it's fucking genous.
20:31 Krock +i
20:31 DutchGamer nah it sucks.... lot of little kids gonna insult than xD
20:31 Krock Oh, do you worry about getting banned for being a kid who insults people?
20:33 DutchGamer no xD
20:33 est31 there is inchra #minetest where you get into problems if you say "fucking great"
20:33 DutchGamer im not a kid
20:33 est31 and there is freenode #minetest where you can say all this stuff
20:33 DutchGamer and i am only banned 1 time xD
20:33 DutchGamer in a few year playing time ;)
20:33 Krock est31, and on rizon #agario you're kicked for saying "cyao" or "skip" (two times)
20:34 Krock heheh, pranked some people there by calling myself "hola", so players who said the nickname got kicked
20:35 est31 whats bad about hola
20:35 est31 it means hello, no?
20:35 Krock DutchGamer, there will be a reward after 1337 bans
20:36 Krock est31, yes. This way they try to filter non-english speakers out
20:37 who_wants_some huston, we have a problem -> https://i.imgur.com/zXBQSJr.png
20:38 Krock slow down a bit and move slowly away
20:38 Krock btw, why is there no Minetest icon on top left?
20:41 Calinou gravgun, fun fact: Cube 1 used TCP, and it was very slow. This is what motivated eihrul to write ENet
20:42 gravgun And that is why I use ENet in my game
20:47 Calinou but enet lacks IPv6 support :(
20:47 Calinou a fork of it supports it (maintained by Freeminer developers), but it's not really released as a standalone fork
20:48 est31 why you use plural Calinou?
20:48 est31 hehe :)
20:48 Krock lol
20:52 Calinou est31, heh
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21:59 Calinou I own 101 repositories on GitHub, including forks
22:00 rubenwardy I own 51, not including forks. IIRC
22:01 est31 32 for est31
22:06 VanessaE if I counted right, 83 here (including forks, probably a few outdated repos in there too)
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22:50 Out`Of`Control 4 here
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23:42 basil60 hi I want flatten a large patch of ground in my Minetest sandbox, to play around with mesecon logic blocks. I installed a flatgen mod; does anyone know how I might use it?
23:43 who_wants_some well, create world, enable flatgen in world settings, ???, play!
23:46 est31 you'll need latest minetest for it though basil60
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23:51 basil60 <est31> I have 0.4.13 - new enough???
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23:53 est31 basil60, unfortunately not, you'd need a development version
23:54 basil60 <est31> Ok..thanks. I've used Minecraft on RaspPI, where I could code my way to making flat ground. Can I do that in Minetest?
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23:56 est31 basil60, yes!
23:56 est31 you can do a flat lua mapgen
23:56 est31 and there should be a mod
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23:57 basil60 <est31> thanks..I'll go have a look and play
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