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00:06 kahrl_ tognito: you can download a subgame by visiting the subgame's topic in the forum: https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=15
00:10 tognito thank you guys
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00:35 hmmmm Teckla!?
00:35 hmmmm W.T.F are you not doing on EFnet?
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02:37 Teckla hmmmm: Who are you?  :)
02:38 hmmmm Heh... I'm beginning to wonder if it's a good idea to reveal that
02:38 hmmmm Should probably keep IRC networks separate.  I'm surprised to see you on this channel, though.
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02:49 nm0i Wait, it is freenode, isnt it?
02:51 hmmmm On second thought I'd just rather not let efnet people know that I'm associated with the development of such a buggy, overly-ambitious game ;-(
02:52 hmmmm I admit it by the way, minetest is not an engine no matter how hard we proclaim it
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04:31 swift110-phone Why would it matter who you are
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05:05 MinetestBot [git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: Ore: Add ore sheet column height range selection beba969 http://git.io/vZK2m (2015-09-13T00:11:50-04:00)
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09:12 waressearcher2 how the game handles mod's code ? is it runs luaVM as separate process and feeds it lua files to run and then receives back results and render results in game ?
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09:13 waressearcher2 also when you connect to the server and there are lots of mods loaded is that slows down both client and server or just server ? so are both client and server run luaVM ?
09:14 Krock C++ feeds the Lua API with scripts and catches its function callbacks
09:15 waressearcher2 that was an answer for an experienced programmer with PhD
09:15 Krock mods like moretrees slow down the server. sometimes also the client when it can't handle the data from the server
09:15 waressearcher2 can you rephrase it ?
09:16 Krock can't rephrase. see https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/m​aster/src/script/lua_api/l_nodemeta.cpp#L82 , it's the meta:get_string() function
09:17 waressearcher2 allright
09:19 Krock btw, I'm neither a core developer nor a experienced programmer with PhD
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09:48 waressearcher2 so minetest using Perlin noise, it doesn't offer much in the way of control over the number, size and position of the resulting continents ?
09:52 Krock a float is quite percise, so just multiply the result
09:53 Krock btw, what exactly do you mean?
09:56 waressearcher2 did I asked about "float" ?
09:57 waressearcher2 I just want to know is that true that Perlin noise doesn't offer much in the way of control over the number, size and position of the resulting continents ? so the shape of the world is at a whim of randomness ?
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10:02 gorilla VanessaE: It looks like that server has crashed.. I'm getting a Connection timed out error.
10:04 waressearcher2 are there over-hanging cliffs in minetest ?
10:04 waressearcher2 because perlin noise can't do that right ?
10:04 waressearcher2 also what algorithm used for generating caves ?
10:15 Krock waressearcher2, 3d noise can generate cliffs
10:15 Krock looking into the source code may answer your questions
10:18 waressearcher2 Krock: so it uses 3D perlin noise not 2D one ?
10:18 Krock mapgen v5 uses 3d noise, mgv6 uses 2d and not sure about mgv7..
10:21 waressearcher2 as notch said in his article about how minecraft generated terran, he said when he wanted to have overhanging cliffs he started to use 3d perlin noise but got into performance issues, is there performance issues in minetest with using 3d noise ? or is it fast enought ?
10:27 rubenwardy 3d noise is slower than 2d, yes
10:28 rubenwardy that's why v6 was created, to be faster than v5
10:28 Krock the speed is still better than with a lua mapgen
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10:31 waressearcher2 Krock: "lua mapgen", so there are like mods that are specifically map generators ?
10:31 Krock http://nimg.pf-control.de/MTstuff/mod​Search.php?st=0&at=0&q=mapgen
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11:16 nrzkt !server Appletree
11:16 MinetestBot nrzkt: AppleTree - Survival & Build | minetest.unix-experience.fr | Clients: 11/50, 11/16 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / epixel | Ping: 10ms
11:19 everamzah that i in depreciated changes deprecated to new heights.
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12:21 CWz how to check if string is a valid number
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12:50 Out`Of`Control hi
12:50 Out`Of`Control how can i get mt work with new irrlicht?
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12:58 nrzkt compile it
12:58 Out`Of`Control stupid, they update irrlicht but not minetest.deb
13:00 Out`Of`Control nrzkt:  compiling, but server runs fine
13:00 Out`Of`Control fine = i can start it with no segfault as client
13:01 nrzkt if it's a minor update it should be good without recompiling
13:02 Out`Of`Control 1.8.1 new 1.8.2
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13:04 eDevGames hi
13:04 eDevGames anyone here?
13:04 Out`Of`Control we are hiding from you
13:04 eDevGames lol
13:04 eDevGames cant tell if u r joking
13:05 Out`Of`Control eDevGames:  hehe
13:05 eDevGames is there an f3 mode?
13:06 eDevGames i mean f5
13:06 Out`Of`Control what is that?
13:06 eDevGames a 3d view of your person
13:06 eDevGames so you can see your person and play
13:07 eDevGames can you do that?
13:08 Out`Of`Control nrzkt:  i just compile new version, does not work
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13:08 nrzkt eDevGames yes
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13:08 Out`Of`Control eDevGames: try F3
13:09 Out`Of`Control ah F3 is fog
13:09 eDevGames nope
13:09 eDevGames its fog
13:09 eDevGames yay its F7
13:10 eDevGames Also, am i legally allowed to modify minetest to make it my own, then publish it as an android app (would say based off of Minetest, and give the link to Minetest's source code)
13:10 eDevGames and if i am allowed to do this, would i have to give out my source code?
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13:16 Out`Of`Control eDevGames: read license
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13:21 eDevGames where is the lisense
13:22 eDevGames nvm found it on github
13:22 Krock how to use iPhones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbVHe5A6rJs
13:24 Out`Of`Control does mt work with irrlicht 1.8.2?
13:24 waressearcher2 is minetest under wtfpl license ?
13:25 asie LGPLv3, no?
13:25 waressearcher2 so its just one of the mods under it
13:26 Krock guys... https://github.com/minetest/mine​test/blob/master/src/chat.cpp#L7 LGPL 2.1
13:33 * CWz made a relative teleport mode.
13:33 Krock player:setpos(0, -1337, 0) ?
13:39 nrzkt Out`Of`Control: yes
13:40 nrzkt eDevGames: for questions about dev, licence and redistribution please join #minetest-dev, it's where the coredevs are.
13:40 nrzkt This channel is a user channel
13:40 Out`Of`Control nrzkt:  what could cause "Segmentation fault"
13:40 nrzkt irrlicht 1.8.2 shit if not patched
13:41 Out`Of`Control downgrade it?
13:41 nrzkt yes
13:41 Krock s/shit/is shit/ ?
13:42 nrzkt their are both valid
13:43 Out`Of`Control in other words 1.8.2 does not work without a patch
13:43 waressearcher2 why minetest doesn't use Simplex Noise http://staffwww.itn.liu.se/~steg​u/simplexnoise/simplexnoise.pdf instead ?
13:43 nrzkt archlinux has done a repackaging to fix the build with GCC 5.2 which cause irrlicht problems
13:43 Krock tried 1.9.0-dev once - failed horribly
13:44 Krock waressearcher2, I think it would destroy already generated world
13:44 Krock s
13:44 waressearcher2 I mean why not to have separate v8 or something with it ?
13:45 Out`Of`Control i can't downgrade, as it would break other stuff
13:45 Krock of v8, then not just with a new noise function. it needs an other concept
13:45 Krock *if V8
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13:49 waressearcher2 "some few more prominent advantages of Simplex Noise are: 1)  has a lower computational complexity and requires fewer multiplications. 2)  has no noticeable directional artifacts 3)  has a well-defined and continuous gradient everywhere that can be computed quite cheaply 4) Simplex noise is easy to implement in hardware
13:51 Out`Of`Control what are cmake option to compile debug?
13:51 waressearcher2 why I'm talking about this is because all those chunks appearing on a horison are slowly genearted you can just fast jump at some point you have to stop and wait while world in front of you generate, and I think this is because of slow perlin "noise" algorithm and if it was possible to speed it up it could've been the best addition to the minetest
13:52 Krock Out`Of`Control, -DBUILD_TYPE=Debug ?
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13:54 Krock funny. Compiling Minetest on 1.6 GHz takes the same time as if compiled on a 3 GHz CPU
13:54 Out`Of`Control Krock: ty
13:54 Krock Out`Of`Control, is it vaild? wasn't sure about the param name
13:55 Out`Of`Control Krock:  i get no errors, so its correct
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14:07 nrzkt Krock, did you do make -j8 if you have 8 cores ? :)
14:08 Krock nrzkt, that's nonsense. Both CPUs are single-core
14:13 nrzkt wtf
14:14 nrzkt i have a 8core CPU, and make -j8 is far better than make -j1 :p minetest compiles in... 40sec
14:15 Krock I usually compile Minetest in the background while undervoltind the CPU, so I can watch movies without getting annoyed of the cooler ^^
14:16 Krock MASTERED IT.
14:21 nrzkt make -j8 let me use 1 core to do other things :D
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15:06 Calinou make -j$(nproc)
15:07 Calinou waressearcher2, simplex noise is subject to patents last time I heard
15:07 Calinou asie, LGPLv2.1+
15:07 Calinou (celeron55 hates v3 of anything)
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15:25 Hisforever Where can I find control statments like /time 1200 and such?
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15:28 asl97 Hisforever: you can use the ingame `/help` or look through the source code https://github.com/minetest/minetest/bl​ob/master/builtin/game/chatcommands.lua
15:32 Hisforever ty as197
15:33 asl97 why can't most people get my name right :|
15:36 SylvieLorxu asl97: Tell me about me
15:44 Krock asl97, 1 and l look the same way with Courier New, sadly.
15:44 nrzkt is there any meaning to recalculate light on a mapblock ?
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15:46 blert2112 sfan5, are you out there?
15:47 sfan5 hm?
15:47 sfan5 blert2112: out where?
15:47 blert2112 oh hey! If you don't mind... What version of SpatialIndex are you using in your builds? please.
15:48 sfan5 none
15:48 sfan5 my builds dont have this library
15:49 sfan5 i don't even know what it is used for
15:49 blert2112 really? could have swore I saw it in there. Ok, thanks anyway. Maybe it was a fess build I was using at one time
15:50 sfan5 the only builds i have seen with spatial index were the MSVC 64-bit ones by BlockMen
15:51 blert2112 darn. Ill keep hammering on it Thanks for your time
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16:12 Krock sfan5, update_knowledge();
16:13 Krock my builds also use spartialIndex, version 1.8.5
16:13 Out`Of`Control downgrading irrlicht fixed segfault
16:14 H-H-H nice :) i thought you couldnt downgrade as it would break other stuff
16:14 Out`Of`Control is there a way to disable a specific node?
16:14 Out`Of`Control H-H-H yeah had to remove some stuff install old version from testing
16:14 Krock minetest.registered_nodes["node:name"] = nil
16:15 Out`Of`Control Krock:  in config?
16:15 Krock Out`Of`Control, in a mod that's laoded after the "node" mod
16:15 Krock *loaded
16:15 Out`Of`Control thank you
16:15 Krock it erases the node from the game; may rsult in some broken recipes
16:16 Krock np
16:16 Out`Of`Control Krock:  i just disable minecart, as pushing it breaks server, until i find a way to fix it
16:16 Out`Of`Control crashes
16:16 Krock a minecart is not a node
16:16 Krock it's an entity
16:17 Out`Of`Control oh
16:17 Out`Of`Control i tought its all same
16:17 Out`Of`Control Krock:  i can't disable entity as node?
16:18 Krock nodes can't move but entities can. remember that.
16:18 Out`Of`Control you are right
16:19 Krock try this one: http://pastebin.com/TeR1xUnt
16:20 Krock 5 stell ingots self-destruct when loading..
16:20 asl97 imo, the right way of removing a node or entity is commenting/removing the code in the mod, although that would leave unknown node and entities unless you remove them somehow like using ^
16:20 Krock exactly. unknown enities and nodes look strange and shouldn't be contain in a world
16:21 Krock so it might be better to remove them instantly instead of explaining what those floating objects are
16:21 Out`Of`Control in i disable mod, i get zillion of unknown nodes (powered/break rails)
16:22 Out`Of`Control in/if
16:22 Out`Of`Control anyway its temp fix
16:22 * Krock throws the boost_cart mod at Out`Of`Control's head
16:24 Krock peer is still on a bad trip
16:24 Out`Of`Control i try it out a min :D
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16:28 Out`Of`Control http://pastebin.com/jvxv6FkU
16:29 Out`Of`Control crashlog
16:29 asl97 what did you punch it with?
16:29 Out`Of`Control asl97:  with empty hand
16:30 Out`Of`Control i have this with all carts mod
16:32 asl97 lol
16:32 asl97 they seem like they don't handle nil
16:32 asl97 make an issue at https://github.com/SmallJoker/boost_cart/issues
16:33 Krock not required
16:34 Out`Of`Control asl97:  its not cart mod, as i don't have any problem with 0.4.10
16:34 Out`Of`Control no idea what cause it
16:35 Krock fixed
16:35 asl97 api changes, mods got to update
16:36 asl97 if i ain't wrong, it cause by the new register_on_punchplayer https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commi​t/c5b4e541749c50805519ce040d98a0a8e5e0ec03
16:36 H-H-H krock just said fixed
16:37 Krock [needs testing]
16:38 Out`Of`Control git fetch??
16:38 waressearcher2 so its like, after time with all those updates little by little mods becomes unusable on newer version ?
16:38 Krock just grab the latest HEAD and test again
16:38 waressearcher2 I mean if you stop updating mods and just update minetest
16:38 Krock waressearcher2, developers try t keep the compatibility
16:40 Out`Of`Control i get same error
16:41 asl97 H-H-H: if that message is meant for me, i am just stating why it broke
16:41 RealBadAngel waressearcher2, we are developing the game, errrors can happen
16:41 Out`Of`Control init.lua:124: bad argument #1 to 'min' (number expected, got nil)
16:42 Out`Of`Control Krock:  i can pastebin all lines if you need
16:43 Out`Of`Control no errors no game ;-D
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16:45 testacct Hey, I'm developing a fork of the engine, and pretty much making a game based off the engine, for commerical release? Is it legal to sell it, without sharing the full source?
16:46 Calinou testacct, legal to sell it? yes. legal to not share the source? no, not at all
16:46 Calinou please read the LGPLv2.1
16:46 testacct what's the point of selling if a user could just compile the source?
16:46 Calinou http://www.gnu.org/licenses​/old-licenses/lgpl-2.1.html
16:46 Out`Of`Control testacct thats how tomtom work
16:46 Out`Of`Control lol
16:46 Calinou testacct, http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling
16:47 Calinou you may want to make a distinction between "selling software" and "rendering it proprietary" :)
16:47 Krock Out`Of`Control, extend the new 'if then' line with "or not tool_capabilities.full_punch_interval"
16:48 testacct Is there any other voxel based engines similar to Minetest that won't make me publish the source? I'm trying to feed myself :P
16:48 asl97 hmmm, i posted the wrong commit,  i wonder when did tool_capabilities for hand became nil
16:48 Calinou testacct, why would I help you?
16:48 Calinou I know some, but I'm not going to help people make proprietary software
16:49 testacct Calinou: Trust me, I'm a big fan of the free software thing. But it's a matter of feeding myself without having to slave most of my life.
16:49 hmmmm testacct, if you think you're going to make a living off of voxel game mods you're in for a huge shocker
16:49 hmmmm minetest is clearly a hobby thing
16:50 Calinou testacct, I don't believe you have to make proprietary software to make a living. eg. you can find a non-tech job
16:50 hmmmm save proprietary software for your day job :/
16:50 testacct hmmmm: I'm not making a Minecrafty game. I'm pretty much just using the voxel look + map generator and disabling that whole building feature
16:50 hmmmm doesn't matter, the same idea applies
16:51 hmmmm instead of moaning about how an open source video game doesn't let you spread proprietary software, why not do freelancing or something
16:51 testacct Look at Cube World, for instance.
16:51 hmmmm the market for websites is much hotter than... voxel games
16:51 testacct lol because im trying to not slave away on things that bore me
16:52 testacct plus the majority of people wanting freelancers to make their websites use wordpress, and i hate wordpress
16:53 rubenwardy Selling copies isn't the only way to make money (admittedly it's the most tested)
16:53 hmmmm in any case, our open source license is working as intended
16:54 hmmmm it prevents people from taking our work and using it for their own personal gain without contributing back
16:54 rubenwardy lol
16:54 est31 yea copyleft is good
16:54 hmmmm ^^
16:54 asl97 their are people who don't care about the license and use it anyway though
16:54 nrzkt second perso today which ask for this... strange world
16:55 Out`Of`Control Krock:  i don't get it sorry
16:56 Krock https://youtu.be/YwlVgpXXJS0?t=53s
16:56 Krock see all the rickrolled people - and YOU'RE one of them!
16:56 Calinou lol Cube World
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16:58 waressearcher2 RealBadAngel: "we are developing the THING, errrors can happen", I suppose in place of THING you can put not just "game" but also OS/Driver/AI/fancy_vibrator/many_otther_stuff
16:58 Krock typos also happen quite frequently
16:59 est31 "driving car"
16:59 est31 "surgical robot"
16:59 est31 "pacemaker"
16:59 Krock "toilet brush"
16:59 est31 lol
16:59 Out`Of`Control hahaha
17:00 exio4 well, you could easily rule out lots of issues in things that need to be as bug-proof as possible
17:01 exio4 with a formal, verified by the computer, proof that the program follows the specification
17:01 est31 yea
17:01 exio4 it'd mean you have an insane high cost per line
17:01 est31 but hard for things that are hard to specify
17:01 est31 planes are easy to specify
17:01 est31 their conditions
17:02 est31 at 10k feet there is nothing but air
17:02 est31 and the airports are kept free
17:03 est31 its much different than on the roads
17:03 exio4 machine learning is used for the driving car, too
17:03 exio4 so it's a bit harder
17:03 waressearcher2 its like the same person talking
17:03 exio4 I mean, machine learning is when the machine learns from its errors!
17:03 waressearcher2 your names so similar
17:04 est31 lol
17:04 exio4 only one character is close
17:04 exio4 oh, and the length
17:04 exio4 that sounds bad too
17:04 est better
17:04 exio4 est: what's your name, btw?
17:05 exio4 just cause my name is Esteban :P
17:05 est mine has nothing to do with "est"
17:06 Out`Of`Control Krock: i can not find "if then" line
17:06 est nick was randomly chosen
17:06 Krock Out`Of`Control, doesn't matter. could you try the current head? (amended commit)
17:06 asl97 Out`Of`Control: https://github.com/SmallJoker/boost_cart/com​mit/35307a06fa305ba7efea7979da0405531f9b9e2b​#diff-d7d74284e2e39f6c06d199c8e2bedbd0R119
17:06 exio4 aw
17:06 Krock /ban Este
17:06 exio4 rude
17:07 Krock :3
17:07 waressearcher2 "esteban" nice nick name on it own
17:07 rubenwardy Guest31## apparently
17:07 Calinou "est" means "is" in French
17:07 Calinou rubenwardy, EST IS A GUEST!!! INSTALL NAME_RESTRICTIONS, QUICK
17:07 waressearcher2 c'est
17:07 Krock perhaps also in other latin languages
17:08 rubenwardy no_guests, please
17:08 est lol
17:08 Krock INSTALL BOTH
17:08 waressearcher2 forget "!"
17:08 waressearcher2 without "!" doesn't look like order
17:08 Krock I KNOW !!11!1!11
17:09 Calinou btw, if you want a hard game, play QuakeWorld multiplayer
17:09 Calinou https://lut.im/ccZlzOc1/9VdBHBgl
17:09 Calinou did 4v4, I had 6 frags, others had 30-40 frags
17:09 Calinou and I'm a good FPS player (in other games like Xonotic)
17:09 Krock or just play tetris with 10x speed
17:09 waressearcher2 Calinou: have you tryed "super duper quake" ?
17:10 Calinou what's that
17:10 waressearcher2 Krock: "with 10x speed
17:10 waressearcher2 Krock: "with 10x speed", and upside down
17:10 waressearcher2 Calinou: you never heard of it ?
17:10 Krock wh upside down? turned left by 90°
17:10 Calinou no
17:11 waressearcher2 Calinou: you should try it, its like all juice from "duke nukem, serious sam, quake" was concentrated in one game
17:11 Out`Of`Control Krock:  server crashes
17:11 waressearcher2 Calinou: its a mod for dark places, with 50 types of weapons and dosens types of monsters
17:11 Calinou I played Quake Epsilon
17:11 Out`Of`Control Krock:  you change only one line?
17:11 Calinou which is basically ultra HD Quake
17:11 waressearcher2 Calinou: maps are huge and monsters generated, total 600-700 monsters per map
17:11 Krock Out`Of`Control, read the newspapers. Cars crash every day, so it's not a big story when a server stops working :P
17:12 Krock Yeah, I only changed one line and that must be enough
17:12 Calinou waressearcher2, if you have some time, download nQuake (http://nquake.com) and duel me :p
17:12 waressearcher2 Calinou: for weapon you even have "napalm strike, nuclear strike" and so forth, there is even double-double barrel shotgun, its so powerful so when you shout it you can just fly
17:13 Out`Of`Control Krock:  https://paste.debian.net/311560/
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17:14 Krock wtf? time_from_last_punch can't be nil
17:15 Out`Of`Control you can hit it by yourself
17:15 Out`Of`Control lol
17:15 est livestream
17:16 Krock That's not a bug, it's a feature.
17:16 asl97 Krock: https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1256
17:17 Krock asl97, strange. I've never had a 'nil' value on singleplayer or on my old server..
17:17 asl97 tbh, i find the change hacky but i don't see a much better way of fixing it
17:17 Krock still, thanks for pointing this out
17:17 waressearcher2 Calinou: by the way is that nquake uses darkplaces engine ?
17:17 Calinou no, it uses ezQuake
17:17 Calinou an esports-optimized client
17:17 Calinou works much better with multiplayer
17:17 Calinou since it's based on QuakeWorld and not original Quake (NetQuake) as far as I know
17:17 waressearcher2 so many forks nowadays
17:17 Calinou it also offers HD textures, so you get better looks
17:18 Calinou and cool particle effects, and even bloom
17:18 Krock Out`Of`Control, how about the current HEAD?
17:18 Calinou DarkPlaces is pretty much singleplayer-oriented
17:18 asl97 anyone remember what VanessaE hardware setup is?
17:19 Krock Github: "You force-pushed to master 4 minutes ago." Dismiss. Dismiss. Dismiss!
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17:24 Out`Of`Control Krock:   cart does not moves, rest works fine
17:25 Krock "rest works fine"
17:25 Krock LOL
17:25 Out`Of`Control Krock:  i can place /hit/take/sit in cart
17:25 Krock what if you push it again and again?
17:25 asl97 lol, 0/num
17:25 asl97 =0
17:26 Out`Of`Control it wont move even on powred rail
17:26 Krock asl97, sohuld only be a problem on the first punch
17:26 Krock quite silly from me to insert 0 there
17:26 asl97 why not just put `tool_capabilities.full_punch_interval` there?
17:27 asl97 give it the full punch power on first punch
17:27 Out`Of`Control https://paste.debian.net/hidden/30696bd5/
17:27 Out`Of`Control lol
17:28 asl97 Out`Of`Control: try punching it with a tool like sword or something
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17:30 luizrpgluiz hi all
17:30 Out`Of`Control hi
17:30 asl97 my hypothesis is that there is something wrong with punching with an empty hand
17:30 Krock okay, should be solved now, that problem
17:33 Out`Of`Control same
17:34 Krock fix your hand definition
17:35 Out`Of`Control i hit it even with a tool
17:35 Krock agh.. this can't be >that< hard to fix
17:35 asl97 new hypothesis
17:35 asl97 http://dev.minetest.net/LuaEntitySAO:setvelocity
17:36 Krock what's up with it?
17:36 asl97 need to use that instead of setting the speed in the velocity variable xD
17:37 Krock see the on_step function. it's used there to calculate the new velocity
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17:37 asl97 oh, didn't see that
17:38 Krock Out`Of`Control, if you have edit access to the files, just comment out the lines 119 until (and with) 124. Add "local f = 3" below to fix that stuff
17:38 Krock gonna look at this later
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17:42 Out`Of`Control ok
17:42 waressearcher2 anyone tryed to make 4bit CPU in minetest ?
17:42 waressearcher2 or any CPU
17:43 TheWild with logic gates this should be easier
17:44 waressearcher2 don't call me gates
17:45 hmmmm eh gad
17:45 hmmmm http://i.imgur.com/MekdZD7.png
17:45 hmmmm new "puff" ore type
17:46 Krock lovely terrain
17:46 hmmmm you can definitely use this for floatlands
17:49 TheWild "don't call me gates"?
17:50 Calinou Bill Gates, TheWild :P
17:51 TheWild oh, I never heard of that guy ;D
17:52 waressearcher2 TheWild: I read: "with logic, Gates, this should be easier"
17:52 TheWild yes, commas matters. Sorry
17:53 waressearcher2 does anyone knows if Gates already wrote his biography ?
17:53 waressearcher2 thats what I would like to read
17:55 TheWild while typing "gates autob" google suggested "gates autocat"
17:59 Krock waressearcher2, wikipedia is his biography
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18:03 waressearcher2 I think he allready have it in his safe but it will be released after his death
18:04 waressearcher2 and it would be bestseller
18:06 waressearcher2 by the way considering that picture from hmmmm, is it possible make floating islands that are actually float, like up and down slowly ?
18:06 hmmmm no.
18:07 waressearcher2 imagine what would be a vista lots of floating islands on a horison
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18:11 est thats what VAEs are about
18:11 est but currrently the enginge has no support for them
18:12 asl97 VAE?
18:12 rubenwardy Voxel Area Entities
18:12 rubenwardy !dev VAE
18:12 MinetestBot No such page.
18:12 rubenwardy !dev VAEs
18:12 rubenwardy !dev TODO#VAE
18:12 MinetestBot "Be aware that this may be biased towards whoever has had the time to update their thoughts here." - http://dev.minetest.net/TODO%23VAE
18:12 hmmmm it's only a theoretical feature
18:12 rubenwardy Yeah, no implementations exist
18:12 hmmmm do you realize how much work that is
18:13 hmmmm but high reward as well
18:13 rubenwardy and we should focus on the more immediate stuff
18:13 hmmmm like making minetest not be buggy
18:13 asl97 rubenwardy: no implementations exist:    really?
18:13 rubenwardy for Minetest
18:13 est well yeah
18:13 rubenwardy that was bad phrasing
18:13 est e.g. the console is a planned feature as well
18:13 est and its not inside minetest
18:14 est but I have coded an implementation
18:14 est havent just created a PR
18:14 rubenwardy that is what I meant: there isn't even a PR
18:14 rubenwardy or a patch
18:14 rubenwardy sorry, a patch
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18:26 luizrpgluiz est: if you want to compile the game for windows with the implementation of the game server, I can test it on my computer, enter commands outside of the server without being inside it is very useful
18:27 est well, its not a remote console
18:27 est its a console yes, but directly on the server
18:28 est we can remote it one day, but for that we need the code
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19:07 Hisforever How do actavite fly in singel player mode?
19:09 Calinou Hisforever, /grant singleplayer all
19:09 Calinou then press K
19:09 Hisforever ty Calinou
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19:14 Xack hi :)
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19:14 Calinou hi Xack
19:15 Xack hi Calinou :)
19:25 waressearcher2 if someone would make a mod with all textures and sounds and models from minecraft will that mod be allowed to exist among others ? or there is allready such mod ?
19:26 Calinou waressearcher2, no, it is illegal to redistribute anything from Minecraft
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19:36 nrzkt https://lut.im/8H08fQ2X/yXsXx5Lv
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20:07 Calinou hey, is the pastebin.com anti-adblock banner new?
20:07 Calinou I just saw it
20:08 est31 no
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20:13 Gael-de-Sailly hi
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21:24 Soni may I sell minetest?
21:25 Soni (I feel like I might have already asked this but I don't remember)
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21:28 est31 Soni, yes you may
21:28 est31 its done in fact
21:29 est31 e.g. https://github.com/minetest/minet​est/blob/master/doc/mapformat.txt
21:29 est31 ermm
21:29 est31 https://play.google.com/store/apps/d​etails?id=com.MultiCraft.Beta.Elite
21:29 est31 but you have to comply with LGPL
21:30 est31 so if you do modifications, you must license them under the LGPL as well
21:30 est31 and give the source code
21:31 est31 you can make closed copies though
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21:32 est31 s/copies/mods/
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21:42 Soni est31, cool
21:44 Soni est31, also technically I just have to license them in a LGPL-compatible way (e.g. MIT)
21:46 est31 well mods can be made totally proprietary
21:46 est31 as long as you aren't using already existing copylefted code
21:46 est31 thats enough for LGPL compliance
21:47 Soni est31, I'm talking about the "modifications to minetest" part
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21:47 Soni ("to", not "for")
21:48 est31 yes you have to license them in a lgpl compatible way
21:48 est31 so GPL is allowed
21:48 est31 I'm not sure about AGPL
21:48 est31 but MIT is not allowed
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21:49 Soni I'm pretty sure I can put the modified parts under MIT
21:49 Soni (but only the modified parts)
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22:14 est31 Soni, just wondering, how did you hear about minetest?
22:14 Soni already knew about it
22:14 Soni since... maybe a year ago?
22:14 est31 did you read something about it, that made you wonder whether it can be sold?
22:15 Soni I think I got here from the freenode channel list
22:15 est31 e.g. news site
22:15 Soni nope
22:15 est31 ok just wondering
22:15 est31 you werent the only one having that question today
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22:37 MinetestBot [git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Rename doc/mapformat.txt and update doc to match SRP changes 915807f http://git.io/vZP5X (2015-09-14T00:32:06+02:00)
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