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00:02 twoelk well trying to rebuild something in a virtual world already forces people to have a more in depth look at things
00:02 twoelk you have to understand things to be able to recreate them
00:02 DynamicMetaFlow Yeah, im thinking of how i can translate physical measurements from real life to minetest
00:03 DynamicMetaFlow I have some ideas and been searching the forums
00:03 DynamicMetaFlow just need to let information sink in and plan things
00:03 DynamicMetaFlow I have at least two-three weeks to figure something out
00:03 twoelk oops? srp? what client version are you using?
00:03 DynamicMetaFlow let me cehck
00:04 DynamicMetaFlow I'm using arch linux so i just grabbed it from the user repository
00:04 twoelk the server runs on 0.4.13
00:04 DynamicMetaFlow same version
00:04 DynamicMetaFlow minetest 0.4.13-2
00:05 twoelk might be someone else then that triggered that
00:05 DynamicMetaFlow probably was me
00:05 DynamicMetaFlow I can't connect lol
00:05 DynamicMetaFlow :/
00:06 twoelk try a different name-password set
00:07 twoelk oh wait I saw you for a sec
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00:08 DynamicMetaFlow i just quit it because it was taking time
00:08 * twoelk wonders whether his unallowed names rules are too strict
00:09 DynamicMetaFlow ill try another name
00:09 twoelk well once you have the media cache it should go faster
00:09 DynamicMetaFlow your names are strict
00:09 DynamicMetaFlow ...
00:09 DynamicMetaFlow lol
00:09 DynamicMetaFlow im in as chaos
00:11 DynamicMetaFlow so how do i talk in game?
00:11 twoelk The Angkor Wat thread has some interesting adventures in the complex dimensions correctly world of trying to translate the
00:11 twoelk type t
00:11 DynamicMetaFlow thank you
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00:48 hmmmm who is 'cg'?
00:49 hmmmm I assume it's from this channel because I don't really talk much anywhere else
00:49 VanessaE that's crazyginger72.
00:49 hmmmm ohhhh
00:49 hmmmm that nutjob who was yelling at me for some inane reason a couple months back
00:49 hmmmm i vaguely remember that
00:50 * VanessaE shrugs
00:50 hmmmm she wanted to apologize or something
00:50 hmmmm shrug.
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01:26 blert2112 Display *x11display = XOpenDisplay(current_display);
01:27 blert2112 oopz
01:28 blert2112 Building this in Windows again is driving me nuts!
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02:13 bkeys Hello, is anyone willing to help me forward the 30000 port on my server? I cannot quite figure out how to do it
02:15 est31 bkeys, you have to forward the 30000 udp port
02:15 est31 not tcp
02:15 est31 thats usually the point :)
02:15 est31 *problem
02:15 bkeys I am not exactly a network guru but I certainly know my way around the bash shell
02:15 bkeys Could you give me some commands perhaps?
02:16 est31 dunno, depends on your distro
02:16 est31 you even havent told me your OS
02:16 bkeys My server is running CentOS 6
02:16 est31 there are unix ways to do it, but if you have e.g. NetworkManager you should use that
02:17 bkeys Let me see if I can install it; it has no GUI whatsoever but I do not believe that will be a problem
02:17 bkeys yum install NetworkManager?
02:17 est31 so what's precisely the problem? usually if you run a service on your server, its public to the internet
02:17 est31 nono dont install it just because of minetest
02:18 VanessaE est31: I get the feeling he's running his minetestserver instance on a home PC
02:18 bkeys It being based on red hat linux it probably has it installed; let me check
02:18 est31 you seem to have some sort of a custom setup, and NetworkManager will likely break it
02:18 bkeys I am running it on a virtual private server, the server that is
02:18 est31 (custom setup for a dedicated server, that is)
02:18 VanessaE ah
02:19 bkeys Since I did not have X installed I did compile the minetestserver from source; it works I just do not see it on the list of public servers
02:21 bkeys Figures I do not have NetworkManager installed
02:21 est31 bkeys what's your server ip?
02:22 bkeys It being a VPS it is honestly kind of iffy (the output I get from ifconfig is weird)
02:22 bkeys Let me run it and look
02:22 bkeys http://pastebin.com/1U8wahZU
02:23 bkeys Here is the output of ifconfig
02:24 est31 !up 192.184.82.27
02:24 MinetestBot 192.184.82.27:30000 seems to be down
02:25 bkeys Well I use this as a web server as well so I know it is connected to the internet
02:32 est31 http seems to work
02:33 est31 perhaps the provider blocks udp?
02:36 blert2112 who opened port 80 for you? You need to forward the port from the router to the server
02:36 est31 bkeys, can you do netcat -luv 300001 on the server?
02:37 est31 it should still run, then I can try connecting from it from my machine
02:37 bkeys what package do I need to install to have netcat?
02:37 est31 usually its there
02:37 est31 do you have nc?
02:37 bkeys Yes
02:38 est31 okay then use nc instead of netcat
02:38 est31 same tool different name
02:38 est31 and different implementation, but that shouldnt matter
02:38 bkeys It is just hanging
02:38 est31 thats ok
02:38 est31 does it print "Listening" something?
02:39 bkeys It has printed nothing as of now
02:39 est31 hrmm
02:40 est31 can you ctrl+c then take a valid port number, 3000
02:40 est31 err
02:40 est31 30001
02:40 est31 that should be valid
02:40 bkeys nc -luv 30001
02:40 bkeys Is just hanging
02:40 est31 okay
02:41 est31 now I try to connect
02:41 est31 does it show something?
02:41 bkeys Should I run the server binary?
02:41 est31 no
02:41 est31 this is just to test whether the server has udp connection to the internet
02:41 est31 but seems it hasnt
02:42 bkeys Well I still have not gotten any output
02:42 est31 okay then abort
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02:42 est31 do you have to open ports somehow?
02:42 est31 for the http service?
02:43 bkeys Certainly the ports must be open for whatever http is using because the website is up
02:43 est31 if not, then best is you contact your VPS provider and ask them about running UDP servers, and that you want port 30000 for udp
02:43 blert2112 can you access your router/firewall?
02:44 bkeys What command should I use to test that?
02:45 est31 on the client you do nc -vu 192.184.82.27 30001
02:45 est31 look here http://radarearth.com/content/usin​g-netcat-udp-port-troubleshooting
02:46 bkeys The command you told me to run simply hangs
02:46 bkeys I am reading the document now
02:46 est31 the one with the "l" is a server command
02:47 est31 the other without the l and the server's ip is the client command
02:47 blert2112 Do you have a hardware router? Likely supplied to you by your ISP.
02:47 bkeys We are talking about the link you sent, correct?
02:48 bkeys I am running the server via Virtual Private Server, so I do not have physical access to the machine nor the router
02:48 est31 blert2112, this isnt a home servr but VPS
02:48 blert2112 Ah, duh. Forgive me
02:49 bkeys So which command do I run on the client (which I imply is my laptop) and which one on my server?
02:50 est31 <est31> the one with the "l" is a server command
02:50 est31 <est31> the other without the l and the server's ip is the client command
02:51 bkeys Yeah I am just trying to make sure I am running the correct command one moment let me do this
02:52 bkeys I run this on the server
02:52 bkeys nc -luv 30001
02:52 bkeys And this on my client
02:52 bkeys nc -vu 192.184.82.27 30001
02:52 bkeys was kicked by ShadowBot: Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like pastebin.ubuntu.com or gist.github.com.
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02:54 bkeys Can this be read?
02:55 bkeys If so; I ran the commands asked and it says that a connection has been achieved
02:55 bkeys The client does, but the server remains silent
02:57 est31 yea what counts is the server
02:57 est31 its clearly network fault
02:57 est31 contact your provider
02:57 bkeys Yeah I just ran it without the server listening and got the same output
02:58 est31 (VPS provider)
02:58 bkeys Alright; I will call them and get back to you guys at a future date. Thank you for the help thus far
02:58 bkeys What do I ask them specifically? If I can forward UDP ports?
02:58 est31 rather open than forward
02:58 est31 just tell them you need access to UDP port 30000
02:59 bkeys Is that all?
03:00 est31 yea
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03:21 swift110-phone Hey
03:29 cheapie cheapie@tim:~/source/minetest$ minetestserver
03:29 cheapie Segmentation fault
03:29 cheapie Grr.
03:30 cheapie It's been doing that ever since I upgraded some packages. One of them was Irrlicht, so I rebuilt MT, and well, it does that.
03:30 * cheapie is collecting information
03:30 exio4 that's a known bug, if I remember correctly
03:31 cheapie I don't know how much, if any, of this might be useful: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12358387/
03:32 cheapie FWIW, the official Debian package of MT segfaults too now.
03:33 cheapie Huh, looks like it might be Irrlicht's fault.
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04:29 est31 cheapie, what's your irrlicht version?
04:29 * cheapie looks
04:29 est31 did debian people seriously update irrlicht?
04:29 cheapie 1.8.2
04:29 est31 well congrats then to the breaking version
04:30 cheapie I also tried grabbing Irrlicht from its SVN thing and compiling it myself - same problem when MT was compiled with that and Debian's Irrlicht was not present.
04:32 est31 you run on unstable right?
04:32 cheapie Yes.
04:33 est31 debian people seem to know about it as well https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-​bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=798694
04:34 cheapie Well, I guess I'll just file this under "that's what I get for running sid" and hope it's fixed soon...
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05:07 cheapie est31: Yep, I downgraded Irrlicht to 1.8.1, and now it works.
05:07 cheapie I'm going to hold it at that version now.
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05:35 blert2112 can register_ore sheet type be flipped over without changing the code?
05:37 hmmmm no
05:37 hmmmm wait what do you mean by flipped over
05:38 blert2112 I mean totally flip over the sheet 180deg,so the current bottom will be the top and the top will be the bottom
05:39 hmmmm there is no top or bottom, it's just a sheet
05:39 blert2112 ah, but there sort of is... one sec...
05:40 blert2112 take a look at the last four pics in this thread...
05:40 blert2112 https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=47&amp;t=13206
05:41 blert2112 please
05:41 hmmmm ohh
05:41 hmmmm that's a bug, isn't it
05:42 hmmmm the randomized vertical offsets are supposed to be relative to the center
05:42 blert2112 I believe it to be. IMO, it would be better if it was flipped over
05:43 hmmmm alright
05:43 hmmmm just to track it you should make an issue on github about this
05:43 blert2112 I kind of dig they way it looks though, the rough "bottom" with a smoothish "top"
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05:44 hmmmm so then make it a feature request where you ask for an adjustable offset for ore columns in the sheet ore type
05:45 hmmmm you see in src/mg_ore.cpp:204-205
05:45 hmmmm that needs to be either + or - height based on which you want
05:46 blert2112 yeah, I was going to "fix" it and recompile for my use here at home but Windows has gotten the better of me again
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05:50 blert2112 thanks you
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07:54 Krock meow
07:56 VanessaE hi.
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07:58 nrzkt burp
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08:02 est31 lol
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08:36 CWz can someone tell me how to apply this patch ? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopi​c.php?t=13215&amp;p=190870#p190870
08:39 nrzkt open an editor, find the right file, paste and compile.
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09:00 waressearcher2 use "patch" ?
09:15 Krock waressearcher2, you don't know what a patch is?
09:15 waressearcher2 I mean use programm "patch", that how you apply patches on software
09:15 Krock oh
09:16 Krock well, git does the same
09:16 waressearcher2 but I assume it will not work, but it could've been more convenient if it did
09:20 Krock AHAAAHAHA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmpgbb6b3Wc
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09:34 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=3&amp;t=12851&amp;p=190829#p190829
09:34 Calinou best avatar
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09:35 Krock no, it needs pixeled coolness glasses
09:39 waressearcher2 can it increase fps if instead of textures one would use solid colors on blocks ?
09:40 est31 I doubt it
09:41 est31 you still would have to conduct the same calculations
09:41 waressearcher2 "fill with color" should be faster then "draw a texture"
09:41 est31 well yeah it doesnt have to be sent to the gfx card
09:41 est31 but the gfx card has to do the same calculations
09:41 Krock waressearcher2, the difference is minimal - at least on a 16px texture pack
09:42 Krock the world would be boring without textures :P
09:42 waressearcher2 by the way, why 16px textures ? I mean just because minecraft has 16px default textures ?
09:42 Krock 8 has too less details and 32 is already 4x more work for the graphics card
09:43 DusXMT waressearcher2: It makes importing texture packs (which allow it, of course) over to minetest :)  Also, it's a power of two, and provides enough detail for everything to be clearly recognisable
09:43 DusXMT s/to minetest/to minetest easier/
09:46 Krock And non-power of two graphics look creepy on old graphic cards/builtin graphics
09:50 waressearcher2 how is that "creepy" ? messy ?
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09:59 DusXMT Krock: Do you have some screenshots/photos to share? I'm curious to see how it looks
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10:37 Krock DusXMT, http://imgur.com/8JqtQzJ
10:39 DusXMT hehe :p
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10:42 * DusXMT now kinda wants to buy an old graphics card to play in awkward mode x3
10:43 Krock DusXMT, If you want more of them.. I can't reproduce it anymore - switched the mainboard.
10:43 Krock just get some RIVA TNT2 card :P
10:44 DusXMT Krock: Did the sizes of the pixel columns change as you were changing your perspective?
10:44 Krock afaik, no
10:44 DusXMT awww :(
10:44 Krock LOL
10:44 DusXMT jelly-minetest
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11:17 hoodedice hello
11:18 twoelk ollah
11:20 Krock moin
11:20 twoelk 10 seconds after I fire up my server people try to join - do some clients start the public server list from the bottom up?
11:20 twoelk most supply empty passwords so I presume some mobile clients
11:22 Krock all server lists should be sorted the same way - as it's done on servers.minetest.net
11:22 twoelk hm, one seems stuck in joining limbo
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11:25 twoelk pff - lot's of "Admin"s try to join :-D
11:26 Krock no_guests ftw
11:26 Krock (with the "Admin" acc added)
11:29 twoelk my line must be bad just now, most people time out - if the names don't get rejected straight away
11:29 hoodedice mayne, pointers tho
11:30 twoelk ping = 1247
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12:10 nrzkt !server AppleTree
12:10 MinetestBot nrzkt: AppleTree - Survival & Build | minetest.unix-experience.fr | Clients: 18/50, 13/20 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / epixel | Ping: 10ms
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12:39 Krock epixel?
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12:48 nrzkt epixel, yes :p
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12:54 everamzah i usually reboot server machine after about 12 hours when i notice max_lag at about 5 or 6.   i let it go on overnight, and max_lag is 25, some new record for me i think
12:54 everamzah can't help but think the server performance is degrading over time
12:59 everamzah http://i.imgur.com/j1wjFiB.png
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13:28 Krock everamzah, font needs more smoothness
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13:57 everamzah mhm, prolly smaller, better settings maybe the alpha shadow
13:57 everamzah i use the pixelbox tp/font on that ol' lappy
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14:04 Krock use Comic Sans MS ^^
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14:14 everamzah oh yeah?  you might have to direct me to it.
14:14 waressearcher2 can minetest run faster ? any work in that direction ?
14:14 waressearcher2 I mean more fps will not harm
14:14 everamzah a smooth 60 would be nice, it happens here and there
14:14 waressearcher2 or it uses all speed irrlich can offer ?
14:18 est31 waressearcher2, well there is some movement into the direction of making it "faster"
14:19 est31 but usually thats for a sacrifice
14:19 est31 e.g. that it looks ugly now
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14:21 nrzkt mesa 11 is out :D oh yeah
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14:45 rubenwardy 5 days until uni!
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14:47 Calinou waressearcher2, we use Irrlicht in terrible, abusive ways
14:50 waressearcher2 abusive ?
14:51 est31 yes
14:51 est31 but we are the only ones xD
14:51 waressearcher2 like ways it wasn't supposed to be used ?
14:51 est31 have you seen the packages on the arch manager that have irrlicht as  dependency?
14:51 est31 the list has one element :)
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14:56 waressearcher2 minetest ?
15:20 nm0i minetest !
15:22 everamzah mind quad
15:22 nm0i Any idea why 90% of peeps that log in into public server build dirt house, then log out?
15:22 waressearcher2 they don't give a wood about that game
15:23 Krock because the area isn't protected
15:23 sfan5 probably people playing on tablets
15:23 sfan5 s/people/children/
15:23 waressearcher2 they test it, "das war mine test fur minetest"
15:24 DFeniks im not sure , do people build shelter in minecraft to hide from monsters , maybe habit
15:24 Krock waressearcher2->german_skills++;
15:24 waressearcher2 DFeniks: classical conditioning in place
15:24 waressearcher2 soon will be night, need a dirt house
15:24 DFeniks or maybe because dirt is only thing you can dig without tools
15:25 Krock Wouldn't it be more intelligent to build a mine into a hill instead of getting tons of dirt to protect from monsters? lol
15:26 nm0i Any reliable way to make server 14+(18+)? (Any captcha mod that requires people to solve differential equation on login?)
15:26 DFeniks i remember building small dirt and cobble house before log out on one of my first servers
15:26 waressearcher2 they afraid to dig into a cave filled with even more monsters
15:26 waressearcher2 nm0i: ask them questions from quest game "Larry"
15:27 nm0i I think it is 30+ test.
15:27 Calinou "sqrt(-1) = ?"
15:27 waressearcher2 "Runtime error (func=(main), adr=4): Square root of a negative number" ?
15:27 nm0i Ban if answer is just "i"?
15:28 DFeniks now ii usually just travel far to punch trees first , and then mine until i got everything i need , i might put chest somvhere too
15:28 waressearcher2 I think mobile version of minecraft needs longer first day, because its more challenging to survive your first day if you use touch screen
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15:43 Jordach hrm, had a nice little mod idea
15:44 nanepiwo what?
15:44 Krock yeah, what?
15:44 Jordach ILD - Infinite Liquid Storage Device
15:45 Jordach ILSD even
15:45 Krock substr("ILSD", 1)
15:45 nanepiwo so you can keep punching it with a bucket and itll never run out of lava/water?
15:45 Jordach nanepiwo, more of a bucket storage, minus wasting iron on extra buckets
15:46 nanepiwo cool.,.....
15:50 Jordach i'm not sure if meshnodes support animated textures
15:51 Amaz Jordach, they do.
15:51 Jordach sweert
15:52 Amaz https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor_modpack/blo​b/master/homedecor/furniture_medieval.lua#L61-L86
15:52 freelikegnu Calinou: whats cooking with carbone-ng?
15:52 Calinou nothing really :( no time, university started
15:53 freelikegnu ah
15:53 freelikegnu what are you studying?
15:54 Calinou computer graphics, Web design, some programming
15:54 Calinou also audiovisuals
15:54 freelikegnu cool
15:54 Calinou networking
15:54 Calinou (we use Debian :D)
15:55 freelikegnu very nice :D
15:55 rubenwardy what is the course name?
15:55 freelikegnu it would pain me to have to use windows for CS or graphics
15:55 Calinou http://src-media.com/ppn-mmi/fiches-modules.html
15:56 Calinou here it is, in French
15:56 Calinou (click on Semestre 1)
15:56 RealBadAngel Calinou, u need university for that? such skills are free ;)
15:56 Calinou freelikegnu, I do have to use Windows for Photoshop/Illustrator/Office. that sucks
15:56 Calinou we don't use only free software
15:56 Calinou most teachers use Sublime Text too
15:56 Calinou and Google Chrome
15:57 RealBadAngel such studies are outdated
15:57 Calinou suddenly: jobs
15:57 Calinou you simply don't get jobs without degrees
15:57 RealBadAngel teachers are ususally 10-15 yrs after whats current
15:57 Calinou not really
15:57 freelikegnu the benefit of university are networking with others with like talents
15:57 Calinou I know what's current, and they seem to be mostly current
15:58 Calinou like, they teach actual HTML5
15:58 Calinou they tell you not to use tables for formatting and such :p
15:58 nrzkt DUT is a good graduate, but you should continue with L3
15:58 est31 and no flash?
15:58 Calinou yeah, no Flash/Dreamweaver
15:58 Calinou we were told that :) hopefully I don't have to touch either
15:58 Calinou nrzkt, I know
15:58 Calinou that's the plan, probably
15:58 RealBadAngel i remember when we had there hdds, like 20-40 megabytes, they learned us about 5,25 floppies
15:58 freelikegnu I would have gotten more out of my education if I had socialized more
15:58 nrzkt freelikegnu: University in france is not same as USA, ti's a little bit different
15:59 RealBadAngel that was real fun
15:59 freelikegnu no doubt, nrzkt
15:59 RealBadAngel not to mention Odra computers
15:59 freelikegnu fortunately I went to a great art school
15:59 nrzkt RealBadAngel: my network teacher 5 years ago learned us ATM and X25 networks...
16:00 RealBadAngel when that hardware got hung, you had to go dowstairs, down the tunnel, by ladder
16:00 rubenwardy * taught us about
16:00 RealBadAngel to push the lever
16:00 freelikegnu lol
16:00 RealBadAngel that was reset
16:01 waressearcher2 Odra ? is it a mainframe kind ?
16:01 freelikegnu one of the key lessons of CD: Have you tried turning it off and back on again?
16:01 waressearcher2 is it older than PDP11 ?
16:01 RealBadAngel in its times it was very modern
16:01 freelikegnu *CS
16:02 RealBadAngel they say that last of Odra was turned off in 2010
16:03 waressearcher2 is it possible to make a mob without 3d software ? just using NodeEditor to make it looks more like sheep but without leg animation, there are no legs, that just jumps, will it go for a mob ?
16:03 Jordach waressearcher2, you will need blender
16:04 waressearcher2 Jordach: what if its a "cube" mob, just a jumping cube with a texture of a  some creature and that jumps around and can follow the player ? do I really need entire blender for this ?
16:04 Jordach waressearcher2, you need to
16:04 Jordach UV faces aren't assigned to it automatically
16:04 waressearcher2 but there is no animation of 3d model itself its just jumping
16:04 Jordach the texture itself will need assigning
16:05 RealBadAngel waressearcher2, odra computers are like 60-70's previous century
16:05 waressearcher2 Jordach: do you need a blender to make say furniture ?
16:05 waressearcher2 chair ?
16:05 Jordach waressearcher2, regular nodes can be made with that yes, but blender has finer control
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16:06 RealBadAngel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odra_%28computer%29
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16:13 Krock oh yeah, that's the early version of my pocket calculator :P
16:15 Jordach RealBadAngel, musta been a beech to clean when dusty :D
16:25 RealBadAngel jordach, they used to have cleaners hired just for those rooms
16:26 Jordach damn
16:26 RealBadAngel and thats not a joke
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16:26 waressearcher2 "cleaners", more than one cleaner ?
16:26 RealBadAngel usual lady with mop was not qualified enough
16:26 waressearcher2 another question how much watts it eats
16:27 RealBadAngel there were wires everywhere
16:27 waressearcher2 or kilowatts
16:27 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/7zORE6Y.png
16:28 RealBadAngel 1.21 gigawatts! 1.21 gigawatts. Great Scott!
16:28 * RealBadAngel runs out of the room
16:33 waressearcher2 is that in full power or in idle ?
16:34 Jordach topkek
16:34 Jordach topkek
16:38 Krock lucily they invented the bipolar and then the unipolar transistors - would be such a waste of energy with radio tubes
16:38 Krock *luckily
16:39 waressearcher2 its said facebooks data centers consume 2% of world energy, imagine they were using this types of machines for datacenters
16:39 RealBadAngel odra parts are still very valuable
16:39 Jordach you mean sometimes code will produce wrong results, that also makes the right results :^)
16:39 RealBadAngel because of gold used
16:39 Jordach (bipolar transistors!)
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16:40 waressearcher2 RealBadAngel: because of heavy metals ?
16:40 arsdragonfly hey check out my testing server featuring AdvancedMarket mod
16:40 RealBadAngel just gold
16:40 Krock Jordach, nah, TTL was quite percise
16:40 arsdragonfly arsenalmp.noip.me:30001
16:40 arsdragonfly !server arsenalmp.noip.me:30001
16:40 MinetestBot arsdragonfly: No results
16:40 RealBadAngel gold is way better conductor than copper
16:41 arsdragonfly !server arsdragonfly
16:41 MinetestBot arsdragonfly: Arsdragonfly's testing Minetest server | arsenalmp.noip.me:30001 | Clients: 0/15, 0/3 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / minetest | Ping: 332ms
16:41 waressearcher2 RealBadAngel: for information or for electricity ?
16:41 arsdragonfly ^
16:41 waressearcher2 for information fiber is a better conductor
16:41 waressearcher2 fiberoptic
16:42 RealBadAngel read about it
16:43 RealBadAngel gold is just too expensive to be widely used
16:43 waressearcher2 right, that is why its primary uses for useless jewerly
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17:03 Jordach things i'm not going to do again: chop out 32 frames of a single water source animation
17:04 Krock The situation when you hum a melody and can't remember the song's name...
17:04 Krock Jordach, but you've got enough time.. so just repeat it
17:05 Jordach Krock, the lava texture is faster - only needs 16 frames, compared to the 32
17:05 waressearcher2 Jordach: are you an artist ?
17:05 Krock smoothness ftw :)
17:05 waressearcher2 doing pixel art ?
17:06 Krock Jordach is blender pro
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17:06 waressearcher2 of what version of blender he is pro
17:07 waressearcher2 they like to change blender from version to version
17:07 * Krock knows this problem with windows
17:09 Jordach the version on steam auto updates :^)
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17:12 Jordach Krock, waressearcher2 http://jordach.net/Images/Sc​reenshots/SteamedBlender.png
17:13 Krock just 22 hours?? is somewhere a reset function?
17:14 Calinou https://imgrush.com/tfruOIIt_oiz
17:14 Jordach Krock, remember the last few years, i only started timing it with steam
17:14 Krock oh, alright.
17:14 Jordach i can even install it on my linux laptop next wed
17:15 Jordach for extra time - as i'm using it for my animation course
17:15 Krock Calinou, interesting physics you got there
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17:25 Jordach uwot atom
17:25 Jordach http://jordach.net/Images/Screenshots/uwotatom.png
17:25 Jordach so now it's able to use the MT API
17:25 Jordach uwot
17:29 Calinou probably based on opened files?
17:33 rubenwardy fibre doesn't conduct electricity :(
17:34 waressearcher2 does radio waves conduct electricity ?
17:34 waressearcher2 but you can still send energy over an air
17:35 VanessaE radio waves *are* electricity
17:35 est31 waressearcher2, it doesnt conduct electricity
17:35 rubenwardy radio waves are EM waves, not electricity
17:35 VanessaE or more specifically, electromagnetic energy
17:35 rubenwardy electricity is the flow of electrons
17:35 VanessaE rubenwardy: yes, and EM waves are formed from electrons and/or photons
17:35 rubenwardy EM waves are photons
17:35 est31 you say something "conducts electricity" if there are free moving electrons you can connect to anodes / kathodes
17:36 est31 then the electrons flow into the respective direction
17:36 waressearcher2 so if light also "electromagnetic energy" fibreoptic cables can deliver energy ?
17:36 est31 yes
17:36 est31 waressearcher2, light is energy
17:36 VanessaE waressearcher2: they can't pump enough energy through a fiberoptic cable for it to matter, though
17:36 est31 look at the sun waressearcher2
17:36 waressearcher2 its hot
17:37 waressearcher2 and bright, and sets every 10 minutes
17:37 est31 lol
17:37 VanessaE haha
17:37 est31 well its hotter than you, that means there is  entropy which means there is energy
17:38 waressearcher2 lets fight entropy
17:38 waressearcher2 by organizing more blocks
17:38 Krock lets fight ystrophy
17:38 Krock *dystrophy
17:39 rubenwardy !g dystrophy
17:39 MinetestBot rubenwardy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dystrophy
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18:10 RealBadAngel lol
18:11 RealBadAngel lets fight itchty fingers ;)
18:12 RealBadAngel skyblock is down?
18:14 twoelk waressearcher2: you may want to study some cubic mobs mods such as https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9472
18:16 RealBadAngel waressearcher2, light is also an energy
18:16 RealBadAngel theres no if
18:17 RealBadAngel look at the sun and use piece of glaass to burn things with it
18:17 twoelk everything that exists in a "physical" way is energy of a sort
18:18 RealBadAngel to be honest theres no hotter thing in the universe that light source, the sun
18:18 RealBadAngel *than
18:20 RealBadAngel Fotosphere: 5778 K (5505 °C), Corona: typically ~2 mln K, Core: 1,571×107 K
18:20 RealBadAngel and thats HOT ;)
18:21 * CWz hates minecraft sneaking animation
18:24 Krock RealBadAngel, but our sun is tiny
18:25 Krock I wonder how the measured the core temp...
18:26 waressearcher2 RealBadAngel: at that temperature, what speed atoms moves at core of the sun ?
18:26 waressearcher2 Krock: infrared
18:26 Krock waressearcher2, but that's the fotosphere temp
18:27 waressearcher2 they say infrared light travels from core to the surface for a long period of time
18:27 waressearcher2 bouncing around
18:27 waressearcher2 or something like that
18:28 RealBadAngel yes, our sun is tiny
18:29 RealBadAngel waressearcher2, only thing to limit light speed is gravity
18:30 RealBadAngel our solar is way to small for such effects
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18:30 RealBadAngel it emits light, its mass cannot stop it
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18:31 RealBadAngel and if you hear or read such bullshit just ban that
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18:34 waressearcher2 wait, it could've been Gamma Rays, here http://classroom.synonym.com/long-photo​ns-emerge-suns-core-outside-10063.html
18:37 waressearcher2 the path from the center to the emergence from the sun takes many steps and many years, so it can take from 5,000 years to more than half a million years for the photon to escape the sun
18:38 waressearcher2 "Visible sunlight started as a gamma ray many thousands of years ago", its like we see the past of the sun
18:41 rubenwardy RealBadAngel, scientists can get hotter than 5505 degrees
18:43 est31 yeah sunlight is mostly thermic radiation
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18:57 Jordach http://jordach.net/Images/Screensh​ots/screenshot_20150912_195520.png
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19:20 RealBadAngel Core: 1,571×107 K is pretty hot i think, even as for such small star
19:20 zat wat is that Jordach
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19:53 Jordach what these may do are unknown as of now
19:53 Jordach http://jordach.net/Images/Screensh​ots/screenshot_20150912_204839.png
20:06 RealBadAngel Jordach, liquid containers drawtype is here for long time already :P
20:07 Jordach RealBadAngel, far better than that
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20:07 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/KTyXLDa.png
20:08 Jordach different type of container
20:09 zat roflflfl
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20:29 Jordach http://jordach.net/Images/Screensh​ots/screenshot_20150912_212623.png
20:32 Jordach RealBadAngel, the liquid inside doesn't read how much is inside :^)
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20:35 Jordach hey kaeza
20:35 kaeza sup Jordach
20:35 Jordach working on a new toy
20:35 Jordach http://jordach.net/Images/Screensh​ots/screenshot_20150912_212623.png
20:37 kaeza what is that?
20:37 Jordach some sort of Mese-Focused Liquid Device
20:39 kaeza nice models
20:40 kaeza do they work?
20:40 Jordach yes
20:40 Jordach not until i properly stabilise em
20:40 kaeza stabilize?
20:42 Jordach trying to balance them
20:47 Jordach (hint - these are considered both item deleters and recyclers at the same time)
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21:04 Jordach gah
21:04 Jordach why is the goddamn minetest game bucket using left and right clicks for dump and fill
21:04 Jordach some blocks *fail* to work because of this
21:06 Jordach just change line 113 (bucket/init.lua) from on_use to on_place
21:06 est31 I guess android
21:07 Jordach doubt it
21:07 est31 there you have to double tap
21:07 Jordach on_use breaks on_punch for blocks
21:07 est31 I know
21:07 est31 just simply dont select it
21:07 Jordach who's fucking idea was this
21:08 Jordach don't see how that's a damn probkem
21:08 Jordach it's consistent, and allows mod makers to use left click with buckets to interact with objects
21:09 Jordach and afaik you can't override the defaukt bucket:empty_bucket, because it's hardcoded
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21:26 Jordach wow
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22:45 hoodedice need help with C, how do I read an int that I have, digit by digit? so like, 1324123
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23:45 tognito hello I'm quite new to Minetest
23:45 tognito hola
23:45 tognito I don't know where the subgames can be downloaded from
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23:51 Teckla tognito: Join some of us on minetest.davison.io
23:51 Teckla It's a good public server with lots of fun mods installed.
23:52 tognito name paswword?
23:54 tognito ok, got it

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