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00:00 Jalal joined #minetest
00:00 OnceOver and im  the only one on that server lol
00:00 ligeti see... Jalal is me!
00:00 ligeti just joined from that link
00:00 OnceOver you should hide that
00:00 ligeti I don't really care :P
00:01 OnceOver il make vpn =) now we on same network
00:01 OnceOver ty for the ip =)
00:01 ligeti lol good luck :)
00:01 ligeti it is a dynamic (yet public) IP
00:01 OnceOver fun fun i was kidding lol
00:01 ligeti to hack me you need more than just an IP
00:02 OnceOver ye but i should check my network activity on your ip =)
00:02 ligeti unless you are planning to DDoS me (which is pointless)
00:02 OnceOver naughty naughty
00:02 ligeti online?
00:02 ligeti well...
00:02 ligeti it is dynamic :)
00:02 ligeti so ... no record will be valuable
00:02 OnceOver ugh
00:02 ligeti because I don't live in USA !
00:02 OnceOver lifes difficult
00:03 ligeti in USA the ISP (not all though) give static public ip for each customer
00:03 OnceOver i remember when yesterday you could just go to give my ip lag .net
00:03 OnceOver =)
00:03 ligeti where I live ... I get a new IP each time I reboot the modem/router or every 24 hours
00:04 ligeti and by the way ... I am a pentester lol
00:04 OnceOver i use my phone =)
00:05 OnceOver my ip renews every activiation aswell
00:05 ligeti so you are good! (I already have your IP though lol)
00:05 ligeti yes
00:05 ligeti it's true!
00:05 ligeti BUT!
00:05 ligeti if I send you a link... never open it!
00:05 ligeti I mean .... if someone
00:05 OnceOver =)
00:06 OnceOver i wish google took my zips
00:06 OnceOver gmail stoped accepting zips
00:06 ligeti really?
00:06 OnceOver so i cant send em to my friends anymore
00:06 ligeti I didn't know that!
00:06 ligeti can't you rename the extension?
00:06 OnceOver i used to SHUTDOWN.exe
00:06 ligeti lol
00:07 OnceOver on shortcut and send it as a video image and change the name
00:07 ligeti you can actually do more :)
00:07 OnceOver even i think it was like um -c -t 120 "your computers fried"
00:07 ligeti and replace IE or Firefox (firefox.exe)
00:08 ligeti or cmd.exe
00:08 OnceOver it would pop up a cmd prmt message saying that with a timer lol
00:09 ligeti my friends play this game...
00:09 ligeti we actually build servers and hack each others
00:09 OnceOver it is fun
00:09 ligeti it is
00:09 ligeti indeed
00:10 ligeti and a good practice
00:10 ligeti I wish one day to join a CTF game!
00:10 OnceOver shutdown -s -t 30 shutdown -c "you have been hacked!"
00:10 ligeti but I can't find a good team
00:10 OnceOver do that as a shortcut
00:10 SylvieLorxu OnceOver: Oh, so classic
00:10 OnceOver =)
00:10 SylvieLorxu I remember back in the days... I wrote a fake exploit for a game on ElitePVPers
00:11 SylvieLorxu It didn't do much
00:11 SylvieLorxu It copied a reboot file into the startup directory
00:11 SylvieLorxu And then shut the PC down
00:11 ligeti SylvieLorxu: you are on ElitePVPers???
00:11 ligeti me too
00:11 SylvieLorxu Simple, yet evil
00:11 ligeti I ran Shaiya PS
00:11 OnceOver in school i did that on a computer class drive
00:11 OnceOver it was connected to two schools
00:11 SylvieLorxu ligeti: I used to have an account to mess with them, back when I was an alaplaya moderator, but by now I realised alaplaya is much more evil
00:12 OnceOver i heard 9 rebooting in the first 4 minutes
00:12 ligeti I used to make lots of msn sniffers
00:12 ligeti and MiTM attacks (+ wireless cracking)
00:13 ligeti but ... all for fun
00:13 ligeti and with friends only
00:13 OnceOver ye i felt really bad when i seen teacher click it
00:13 OnceOver i deleted file instantly
00:13 OnceOver some kid got up to show her
00:14 OnceOver lucky it was timed for 1 second or she would of seen it came from my computer
00:16 ligeti I wonder if the client (minetest) checks the sequence number as well... would be fun if they didn't :P
00:16 OnceOver i would like it
00:17 OnceOver if you fixed me up so i didn't have to =)
00:17 ligeti can you imagine flooding someone with text (from wikipedia) lol
00:17 ligeti all you need is their IP...
00:17 ligeti you can have it from IRC :P
00:17 OnceOver whos ip?
00:17 ligeti clients
00:17 ligeti players
00:18 ligeti the server checks the seq#
00:18 OnceOver =(
00:18 ligeti so it is hard (I think) to send commands and stuff!
00:21 OnceOver send what commands?
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00:23 OnceOver way to pm me back =)
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00:51 Piggybear87 !up minetest.org 30011
00:51 MinetestBot minetest.org:30011 seems to be down
01:16 Vazon Piggybear87 it should be up soon
01:16 Vazon OldCoder is away and as soon as he gets back i will see what he can do
01:17 Piggybear87 It's cool, It's probably moving right now.
01:19 Piggybear87 Be back in a sec.
01:20 OldCoder Hi
01:20 OldCoder I am here
01:20 OldCoder My host shut down for the move while I was on errands
01:20 OldCoder There is therefore a possibility of corruption or it may be fine
01:21 OldCoder Estimated time is one hour to complete a new clone and 30 to 90 minutes to move the domain name.
01:21 OldCoder Vazon, ^
01:22 Vazon OldCoder you almost gave me a heart attack, you said possibility of corruption with out saying you could make a clone o.o
01:23 Taoki https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=4&t=5383 Any chance anyone knows what license this texture pack is unger?
01:23 Taoki **under
01:26 OldCoder Vazon, the problem is, he shut down without me being there
01:26 Vazon OldCoder i may have just fixed the time outs
01:26 OldCoder The worlds may already be corrupted. But I have backups from only about 2 days ago
01:27 Vazon brb
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01:28 Vazon back
01:28 OldCoder Vazon, see above
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01:29 Vazon yes i saw it, did you see what i said?
01:31 Vazon OldCoder, can you use a stable client ( 0.4.9 stable) and connect to my server?
01:33 OldCoder What do you mean by "my server" ?
01:34 Vazon OldCoder i can still host my own server lol, im testing v7 mapgen and i think i have fixed our media problem
01:34 OldCoder Do you have a patch or something?
01:35 Vazon i think its a mod
01:35 OldCoder I can't connect anywhere right now; too busy with other things. But explain mod issue.
01:35 * OldCoder will bbs 5 minutes please continue
01:35 Vazon ok i was comparing the mods i have now and the ones from before
01:36 * OldCoder will bbs 5 minutes please continue
01:36 Vazon and they was all the same exept 1 i had antiguest last time and no_guest (generally the same mod but no_guest does alot more) and now im not even getting stuck on media
01:55 OldCoder Hm
01:55 OldCoder So, no anti-guest and we are blessed?
01:56 OldCoder Is this an understandable bug?
01:59 Vazon i dont think its a bug just a something in the mod is causeing something to go wrong else where, but i will not know till i see if people are still having problems logging in
01:59 Vazon and i really like this v7mapgen
02:01 Vazon OldCoder, are any of the servers you hosting running mapgen v7?
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02:08 VanessaE bas080, cheapie ...  ok you two, hash this out here  :)
02:08 VanessaE so I can stop being the middlewoman :)
02:08 cheapie What's wrong with percentages?
02:10 bas080 hey cheapie
02:10 cheapie There's a reason that (for example) wget says things like "50%" instead of "5000/10000".
02:11 bas080 I said, "Cheapie liked the progress in percentiles. I choose to no longer do this because it represents the point system with flowers better"
02:11 bas080 furthermore, "It's not an opening tool. it's a grafting tool. That's the Jargon when it comes to beekeeping"
02:11 bas080 I do this to make things a bit educational
02:12 cheapie If you're going to do "points", at least provide some kind of explanation.
02:12 cheapie "521+16/1000" doesn't make any sense at all without looking through the code.
02:13 bas080 well, you can arrive at an answer by noticing that the amount of flowers that one places near the hive etermines the amount of +points
02:13 cheapie I see what you mean with the grafting tool, at least.
02:14 cheapie And this is better than something like "50% Complete (3% bonus from flowers)" how?
02:15 bas080 The disable particles is a good idea. I have noticed that some mods do this by using the API get global particles enabled or something like that. Not sure how to exactly do this but I have seen mods use this.
02:15 bas080 That way the settings preference is used
02:17 cheapie The global particles thing is an engine setting (I think) that turns off ALL particles whether the mods like it or not. Some users (me included) would like the particles when (for example) digging on, but don't like machines to look like they're flinging beeswax everywhere.
02:18 bas080 ok, that is useful indeed!
02:18 bas080 :)
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02:20 bas080 For the capitalization I do not agree with your aproach. Yes many mods capitalize all words. I however choose to not capitalize anything in the hope the engine will take care of that one day
02:20 bas080 That way the engine can determine is words should be capitalized per word or only first word
02:22 cheapie bas080: What makes you think that's a good idea? Are you expecting grammar rules to suddenly change some day?
02:22 Hirato let's all adopt esperanto as the official minetest language
02:23 bas080 cheapie, You have removed the stack_max. I noticed you don't like the stack_max. I choose to use them because it this feature is not used enough. People should be more considered when it comes to using the player inventory and using stack_max forces them to do so.
02:23 * VanessaE kicks Hirato, just because.
02:23 VanessaE press 1 for english.
02:23 VanessaE npt.
02:23 VanessaE not*.
02:24 Hirato :P
02:24 bas080 cheapie, I don't think minetest is the best example of englsh grammar.
02:25 cheapie bas080: Doesn't mean that it should be purposely broken.
02:25 VanessaE bas080: I would suggest using cheapie's capitalization...  your all-lowercase text will look kinda "unfinished" in-game, imho.
02:26 bas080 Fine, I'll go with it.
02:27 bas080 But only if it's not every word but just the first one
02:28 bas080 Otherwise it looks like every word is a description
02:28 cheapie bas080: Phrases (such as "Missing Queen Bee") are supposed to have all of the "major" words capitalized.
02:29 cheapie Sentences are supposed to be capitalized like this.
02:29 cheapie "Missing Queen Bee" is not a sentence.
02:30 bas080 If it is not a sentence, then what is it?
02:30 cheapie It's a phrase.
02:30 OldCoder Vazon, explain mapgen v7
02:30 * OldCoder is almost back
02:32 bas080 (in English) a sequence of two or more words that does not contain a finite verb and its subject or that does not consist of clause elements such as subject, verb, object, or complement, as a preposition and a noun or pronoun, an adjective and noun, or an adverb and verb.
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02:33 bas080 Is missing a verb?
02:33 cheapie I don't think it's a "finite" verb here.
02:35 bas080 Having capitals does make things look more EPIC
02:35 bas080 grandiose is the word
02:36 VanessaE "Missing" is an adverb here.
02:36 VanessaE or an adjective, depending on how to see it
02:36 VanessaE it modifies Queen, or Queen-Bee
02:36 VanessaE therefore, it isn't a verb
02:37 cheapie VanessaE: So "Missing Queen Bee" is a phrase, right?
02:37 bas080 VanessaE, I think you are correct. The missing frame
02:37 VanessaE imho it forms a compound noun, therefore a phrase in the usual sense,.
02:37 VanessaE if it were a book title, all three words would be capitalized.
02:39 bas080 Is that because it is phrase or the title of a book? Names are indeed capitalized
02:39 bas080 It is the name of the book/film
02:39 bas080 This is not a name but displays the state of a node.
02:40 VanessaE right but Queen Bee is a title by itself
02:40 VanessaE and Missing is the first word of that phrase
02:40 VanessaE so in this particular instance, all three words should be capitalized
02:40 bas080 Point
02:40 cheapie VanessaE: Same for "Missing Empty Frame(s)", right?
02:41 VanessaE for an empty frame, I'd go with lower-case on the second two words but that becomes a style/preference thing.
02:41 cheapie "Missing empty frame(s)"?
02:41 VanessaE yeah
02:46 bas080 cheapie, if you would like, could you make three commits. One for the improved spelling, one for the particles another for the changes to readme. Also write a short description as to what you have added to the mod after your name. Please use spaces instead of tabs for indents. Then I'll make sure to merge when the request is made.
02:47 cheapie OK, I'll do that a bit later tonight.
02:49 Vazon back and OldCoder it is a map generation that is based on biomes
02:49 bas080 no hurries. I appreciate the input
02:51 OldCoder Vazon, the guest-noguest thing is map generation? but does it run during media load?
02:51 OldCoder Where is the lockup?
02:52 Vazon no the guest has nothing to do with the map generation lol
02:52 OldCoder Then where is the media lockup?
03:01 Vazon im seeing right now
03:43 Vazon need some people who are willing to do some server tests
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03:44 Mallot1 hey guys :)
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03:52 Vazon Hi Mallot
03:52 Mallot1 hi Vanzon :D :)
03:53 Vazon Mallot do you have time for running some tests?
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03:57 Mallot1 what kind? Vanzon
03:57 Mallot1 Vazon
03:57 * Mallot1 just realized his name is Vazon nor Vanzon
03:57 Mallot1 *not
03:58 Vazon server tests, im tryingto find out is my servers media hangs
03:58 Vazon xD
03:58 Mallot1 sorry man 2 minutes till midnight
03:58 Mallot1 1 more week of school! :D
03:58 Mallot1 and monday
03:58 Vazon ok
04:01 Mallot1 then ill come and chill on mine test servers like old times B)
04:04 Vazon kk
04:07 Mallot1 *spanish
04:09 kaeza greetins
04:09 kaeza +g
04:09 if hi
04:11 Mallot1 good night all :D
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04:14 Piggybear87 Nice! I can now launch Minetest by typing "mt" in my Terminal. :)
04:14 Piggybear87 OldCoder, How's the move coming along?
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04:23 OldCoder Piggybear87, server comes up in about 5 minutes
04:23 OldCoder with a clone completed
04:23 OldCoder There will be another outage in the next few days
04:23 OldCoder for transition to the clone
04:23 Piggybear87 WooHoo! I came back just in time!
04:23 OldCoder Then a third outage in about 7 to 10 days
04:23 anoldhacker1 Just installed on my newly-Mint box.  Are there MOBs in this game?
04:23 OldCoder For transition back to the physical server
04:23 OldCoder Which will be on a truck in the interim
04:24 Piggybear87 Wow, how far is it moving?
04:24 OldCoder This is the timeline Piggybear87. Now wait 5 and the world should be up for 12 to 36 hours before the next outage. Probably 10 to 25 miles.
04:24 OldCoder The outage of about 26 hours is regretted
04:24 Piggybear87 anoldhacker1, Yes, if you install that mod.
04:24 OldCoder I should have told him I didn't want to use rsync
04:24 OldCoder
04:25 anoldhacker1 Ahh.  Okay.  I was wondering why it is so quiet.
04:26 OldCoder It's quiet
04:26 OldCoder Too quiet
04:26 OldCoder >_>
04:26 OldCoder <_<
04:26 anoldhacker1 :D
04:26 anoldhacker1 Opening the mod store crashes my client. :(
04:26 Piggybear87 So, in about 5 it will be up for 12-36 hours, then it will be out for for a few hours, then in 7 to 10 days it will be out again for a few hours?
04:27 Piggybear87 anoldhacker1, What OS are you on?
04:27 anoldhacker1 Linux-Mint 17/Mate.
04:27 Piggybear87 Do you self compile?
04:28 anoldhacker1 All snark aside, I did the tool install this time.
04:28 anoldhacker1 There's something in Mint called "package manager" which is a front-front end.
04:28 Piggybear87 Does tool mean something like software center?
04:28 Piggybear87 Oh, OK. You have an older version.
04:29 Piggybear87 Of Minetest*
04:29 anoldhacker1 Ain't it the truth.
04:29 anoldhacker1 So annoying.
04:29 OldCoder Piggybear87, there is a possibility of damage due to abrupt shutdown. Enter in a few minutes and tell me if things look all right.
04:29 anoldhacker1 0.4.9
04:30 Vazon mhmmmm
04:30 OldCoder Vazon, ^
04:30 Piggybear87 If you self compile Minetest, in the "cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1" part, add "-DENABLE_CURL=1"
04:30 anoldhacker1 Wait.  0.4.9 appears to be current.
04:31 Piggybear87 That allows you to use the modstore and connect to newer servers.
04:31 anoldhacker1 And I take it that the OS version is borked & I should remove it & do an install from source?
04:31 Piggybear87 Yes, but we all (almost all) use 0.4.9-dev
04:31 anoldhacker1 Well, I certainly want to be one of the cool kids. ;)
04:31 OldCoder anoldhacker1, what OS or distro is this for? And is it about server or client?
04:32 Piggybear87 OldCoder, It's for Linux Mint.
04:32 anoldhacker1 Linux-Mint/Mate 17.
04:32 OldCoder AndrewPH, easy enough to build
04:32 OldCoder Oops
04:32 OldCoder anoldhacker1, *
04:32 anoldhacker1 I don't know how it is configured, so I'm saying client.
04:32 Piggybear87 Lol, I almost did that.
04:32 OldCoder I'm occupied ATM but I can talk you through it later or tomorrow
04:32 Vazon yes i saw it
04:33 AndrewPH OldCoder: I will find you, and I will kill you
04:33 Piggybear87 Lmfao!
04:33 anoldhacker1 ./configure && make && make test && make install
04:33 anoldhacker1 Modulo the above, of course.
04:33 anoldhacker1 :P
04:33 OldCoder AndrewPH, I regret the accidental highlight. Can I make it up to you?
04:33 AndrewPH $20
04:33 OldCoder anoldhacker1, it is not a usual ./configure program
04:33 OldCoder AndrewPH, $20 worth of my time and advice
04:34 AndrewPH No, that's like offering me $20 worth of candy bought via EBT
04:34 anoldhacker1 K.  1) Read README. 2) Follow.
04:34 OldCoder Is such candy not up to usual standards?
04:34 OldCoder Surely a highlight is not so devasting
04:34 OldCoder Though it should not be overdone
04:34 AndrewPH I cried for months
04:34 Piggybear87 "I have a certain set of skills, skills I have acquired over a long period of time..." - AndrewPH
04:36 Mallot1 ano1dhacker1: its a fun game :)
04:36 Mallot1 especially on windows 8.1
04:36 anoldhacker1 Compiling software?
04:37 anoldhacker1 I prefer to make virus writers work to get me. :P
04:37 Mallot1 :P
04:37 Piggybear87 :)
04:37 Mallot1 Windows 8.1 is pretty nice though
04:37 Mallot1 nice UI
04:38 Mallot1 live tiles the works
04:38 * Piggybear87 keeps mouth closed...
04:38 * Mallot1 's ready for action
04:38 * Mallot1 senses LOL ing
04:40 Mallot1 woah! look at the time i just gotta figure out how to segue to the next view controller on a storyboard programmatically
04:40 Piggybear87 OldCoder, Everything looks fine. max_lag is a little high, but not bad.
04:41 OldCoder Piggybear87, max_lag would be unrelated to abrupt shutdown. Possibly because host is cloning many systems tonight.
04:41 Piggybear87 Mallot1, Don't fear the penguins... :)
04:41 OldCoder This copy should continue for 12 to 36 hours or so. I'll try to snapshot it once or twice a day.
04:41 Piggybear87 OK.
04:42 Piggybear87 !seen us`0gb
04:42 MinetestBot Piggybear87: us`0gb was last seen at 2014-06-14 04:48:57 UTC on #minetest
04:43 Mallot1 Piggybear87: never fear! got a VM of Ubuntu Desktop and I'm using my Mac book pro OSX Mavericks right now ;)
04:43 Mallot1 working on an pp
04:43 Mallot1 *app
04:44 Piggybear87 Why not just make the switch then?
04:44 Mallot1 naw man, my Windows laptop was expensive
04:44 Mallot1 and i ran Mac on VM before i brought this mac
04:45 Piggybear87 -cough-You payed for Windows, not the laptop-cough-
04:45 Mallot1 and i have all my Windows Store licenses
04:45 Mallot1 Piggybear87: xD yeah *HP stinks*
04:46 Mallot1 alright see ya guys! tell me if you spot jacraig1's server. Im a mod
04:46 Mallot1 :) maybe ill get back to mintiest modding
04:46 Piggybear87 I built 2 computer online, same hardware, one with windows 8 one with Ubuntu 14.04. The one with Ubuntu was 150 bucks cheaper.
04:47 Mallot1 zD
04:49 Piggybear87 Whelp, almost 1am, I think it's a good time for bed. If you need me PM and I will read it in the morning. Good night all!
04:50 anoldhacker1 Build/install question.
04:50 Mallot1 night!
04:50 anoldhacker1 Looks like leveldb is preferred.
04:50 anoldhacker1 night, Mallot1!
04:51 anoldhacker1 Anything else in that set that I should turn on/off?
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04:51 Mallot1 night ano1dhacker1 remember to build/install ;)
04:51 anoldhacker1 (Besides curl)
04:51 anoldhacker1 :P
04:51 Mallot1 B)
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05:09 anoldhacker1 minetest/minetest_game cmake . -LH
05:10 anoldhacker1 CMake Error: The source directory "/home/zooks/work/minetest/minetest_game" does not appear to contain CMakeLists.txt.
05:11 anoldhacker1 git clone seems to have it.
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05:13 kaeza anoldhacker1, minetest_game doesn't need cmake; minetest does
05:14 anoldhacker1 I'm doing a build that can load mods.  I'm following the README, which suggests it does.
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05:27 VanessaE anoldhacker1: all Minetest builds can load mods.
05:28 VanessaE there is nothing special that you need to do.
05:28 VanessaE just build the engine, install the game content to the minetest games directory, and mods go in minetest's mods directory.
05:28 VanessaE that's all
05:29 VanessaE (the games and mods directories will either be right there in the minetest dir where the sources are, or ~/.minetest if you installed the engine globally)
05:54 * VanessaE pokes anoldhacker1
05:54 anoldhacker1 I just got back. :P
05:54 VanessaE see above.
05:54 anoldhacker1 Got it.
05:54 anoldhacker1 The system-installed version was crashing.
05:55 anoldhacker1 I misread the instructions.  I didn't catch the "git clone" at the top--made things a bit confusing.
05:55 VanessaE yup :)
05:55 VanessaE you need the engine, and you probably want the game content, but that isn't strictly necessary as there are multiple games you can run
05:56 anoldhacker1 Start with self, go from there... :)
05:57 anoldhacker1 And...I'm in the mod store. :) :)
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06:04 anoldhacker1 Hmmm... Attempting to create a new world is bombing.  "No world name given or no game selected".
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07:02 nman3600 Hello markv, you awake?
07:02 nman3600 hi
07:05 anoldhacker1 So, is there a server I can try logging in to?
07:05 nman3600 anoldhacker1, Mark twain's server?
07:05 kaeza http://servers.minetest.net/
07:06 anoldhacker1 ty
07:06 nman3600 !tell markv Can you give me these privs back on your server (I no longer have them): Fly Noclip and creative.
07:06 MinetestBot nman3600: I'll pass that on when markv is around
07:11 anoldhacker1 "attempt to index local 'world' (a nil value)"
07:11 anoldhacker1 Is there a password?
07:14 anoldhacker1 Ahh..  Wrong tab.
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07:40 elanc is project still alive?
07:42 kaeza what do you mean?
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08:05 Zeno` kaeza, I think the fix is fine
08:05 kaeza alright
08:05 Zeno` no issues so far, but I'll monitor it overnight (when it's busier than now)
08:05 kaeza I'll just push to master then
08:06 Zeno` I think so
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08:19 VanessaE damn.
08:19 VanessaE someone grab the epoxy
08:19 VanessaE glue this split back together.
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08:22 Zeno` that's not a split
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08:22 Zeno` that's just a minor hiccup lol
08:23 VanessaE heh
08:23 VanessaE true
08:23 VanessaE I remember the days of EFNet/IRCnet before those two permanent separately
08:24 VanessaE permanently separated*
08:24 Zeno` And then Dianora started hybrid
08:24 Zeno` I miss those days
08:24 Zeno` kind of
08:25 VanessaE I don't :P
08:25 VanessaE "Oops, the network is reaching critical mass again.."
08:25 Zeno` lol
08:25 VanessaE at about 20-22 k users, splitsville.
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08:26 Zeno` did you know I'm pretty famous?
08:26 Zeno` I have 1 line in the current ircd and most of its forks lol
08:27 Zeno` well,, not even a line really... just 2 characters :3
08:27 Zeno` ok, that's not very famous
08:27 VanessaE haha
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08:32 anoldhacker1 Well, bedtime.
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08:50 kaeza >Out of the 25 additional people that completed the challenge, the following 3 won a cloak through the cloak lottery: skasturi, danielg4, jojoa1997
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10:13 Krock Hello.
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11:37 Taoki Anyone know why groups aren't working for entities? I'm trying to disable normal damage on a Lua entity (when punched by player) but it's not doing anything; groups = {immortal=1, punch_operable=1, "immortal", "punch_operable"},
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11:49 kaeza Taoki, I think you need to call set_armor_groups() or such
11:49 Taoki Right... tried that out and it actually works now, my mistake :P
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11:50 PenguinDad Hello everypony!
11:51 VanessaE hi PenguinDad
11:51 Jordach hello VanessaE :3
11:52 VanessaE hey
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11:59 * Jordach gives VanessaE http://www.bash.org/?612
11:59 VanessaE heh
12:02 Jordach lololololololol http://www.bash.org/?953373
12:05 VanessaE heh
12:08 Megaf Hi
12:09 PenguinDad lol http://www.bash.org/?244321
12:13 Megaf Lol
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12:17 PenguinDad Megaf: you know what sucks? http://www.bash.org/?99835
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12:17 VanessaE haha
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12:26 MinetestBot GIT: maciej.kasatkin@o2.pl commited to minetest/minetest: Fix issue #1275 - wielded index greater than inv size. cb3b42efe4 2014-06-17T14:17:53+02:00 http://git.io/cdxH7w
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12:36 MinetestBot w_laenger: 05-24 12:48 UTC <Krock> https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=142596#p142596 the edit part
12:39 w_laenger hi
12:39 MinetestBot w_laenger: 06-14 17:44 UTC <Krock> sup?
12:43 VanessaE bbl
12:47 w_laenger MinetestBot, are there more messages?
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12:56 Eater4 If you need help on servers or if you know how to run servers then come to #minetest-serv
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13:18 w_laenger hi
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13:36 Krock Aww..forgot to close this IRC...
13:36 Krock ahatever..I'm online
13:37 * w_laenger too
13:38 * sfan5 meows at Krock
13:38 * Krock quaks at sfan5
13:39 Krock +1 kaeza for the new avatar
13:41 w_laenger how can I use github submodules?
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13:46 kaeza :3
13:47 sfan5 w_laenger: 1) it's git, not github 2) did you try google yet?
13:48 sfan5 ,0
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13:51 WidDos Ok Join the IRC! Now how do I save my User?
13:51 Krock welcome
13:51 Krock ./msg NickServ register nick pass
13:51 Krock s/nick/email
13:52 WidDos Oops how I change password
13:53 Krock - NickServ: Other commands: ACC, ACCESS, CERT, DROP, HELP, LOGOUT,
13:53 Krock - NickServ:                 REGAIN, SETPASS, STATUS, TAXONOMY, VERIFY
13:53 Krock idk if you're allowed to use setpass...check it out
13:54 WidDos Ok. since I hited enter to soon so it set to nick the pass
13:54 w_laenger sfan5,  1. sorry  2. yes, I did
13:55 w_laenger http://www.ralfebert.de/git/submodules/
13:57 PenguinDad !git w_laenger
13:57 MinetestBot w_laenger, someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Git, please go to: http://git-scm.com/book/
13:58 * Krock clicks, too
13:58 w_laenger thanks
13:59 Krock every 2nd page is a 500 error... *hits F5*
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14:00 WidDos So I What is my key to change password?
14:00 w_laenger https://vimeo.com/98421432
14:00 Krock try this: /msg NickServ setpass?!?!?!
14:01 w_laenger >NickServ< setpass?!?!?! \n -NickServ- Invalid command. Use /msg NickServ help for a command listing.
14:01 WidDos The Syntax is /msg Nickserv SETPASS <account> <key> <newpass>
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14:01 WidDos And I have no Idea what the key is
14:01 w_laenger I didn't set a pass
14:01 Krock email?
14:02 WidDos I will try
14:02 PenguinDad WidDos: your odd password
14:02 PenguinDad *old
14:05 PenguinDad NickServ (NickServ@services.): SETPASS allows you to set a new password using a key emailed to you.
14:05 w_laenger MinetestBot,  500 Internal server error There was an error processing your request. We have been notified of the error and will investigate ASAP. We apologize for the inconvenience.
14:06 Krock why the hell is git so compilcated?
14:06 Krock simple functions like commit, remove commit and merge would be enough
14:07 PenguinDad Krock: are you kidding?
14:07 Krock no
14:07 Krock or that book makes it very complicated
14:08 Krock damn you, CLI
14:08 w_laenger I tried to clone https://github.com/HybridDog/zegaton_game with the submodules
14:09 WidDos Dang it keeps saying "Verification failed. Invalid key for WidDos."
14:09 w_laenger but...  git submodule update --init       Keine Submodul-Zuordnung in .gitmodules für Pfad 'mods/boats' gefunden
14:09 w_laenger I think I did something wrong
14:10 w_laenger but last time it worked
14:10 PenguinDad w_laenger: try "git submodule sync"
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14:11 sfan5 !kick w_laenger
14:11 w_laenger was kicked by MinetestBot: w_laenger
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14:57 kaeza Krock, That was not his question. He depends on `pipeworks', so if his mod is getting loaded, it means pipeworks is installed and working correctly.
14:57 kaeza ( https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=145305#p145305 )
14:59 Krock edited
15:00 Krock ^kaeza
15:01 Megaf I want this laptop http://www.tekmote.nl/epages/61504599.sf/nl_NL/​?ObjectPath=/Shops/61504599/Products/CFL-003-B
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15:01 kaeza still wrong
15:01 Megaf Sound like a good replacement for my EeePC 701
15:01 Krock what still wrong?
15:01 kaeza PS: that didn't highlight me
15:02 Krock PS: do I need to highlight you?
15:02 kaeza <Krock> ^kaeza
15:02 Krock oh
15:03 kaeza if `pipeworks` is nil, something is wrong there, yet the dependency was satisfied, and the mod loaded
15:04 Krock if kaeza ~= nil then get_messages() end
15:04 Krock *if kaeza ~= nil then if get_messages ~= nil then get_messages() end
15:04 Krock end
15:05 kaeza >not using `and`
15:10 * Jordach pokes kaeza
15:10 * kaeza pokes Jordach back
15:10 Jordach RealBadAngel, where dem m357n0d35
15:10 Jordach sfan5, krunk out a new build pl0x
15:11 kaeza mestnodes?
15:11 Krock metnodes
15:11 Krock aww
15:11 Krock ninja'd by kaeza
15:11 Jordach https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commi​t/a0f78659f31abdce973bc6641b5b5a58f2ba9afc
15:12 RealBadAngel Jordach, soon, i do have two weeks for coding, doing now all the ideas and small thingies i had on my list
15:12 Jordach RealBadAngel, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1YmS_VDvMY
15:13 Jordach there has never been a better time for that one act of that film
15:14 Krock ahhaha
15:14 Jordach TIL there's a college course with PROPER FUCKING IT USE
15:14 Krock yesterday, the freedom server was at maxlag = 5s, today at 42s
15:15 Jordach >computer animation (2d, 3d), digital graphics, hardware
15:16 Jordach and they order pizza every two weeks
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15:27 kaeza another crap post by Krock https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=145312#p145312
15:27 Krock thx
15:28 Krock I like to post crappy things
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15:32 nman3600 Hai
15:32 PenguinDad Shark
15:32 Krock ^
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15:39 Taoki Hi, I have a tricky question: I have the following line: "for _,obj in ipairs(minetest.env:get_objects_inside_radius(...) do mytable[obj] = 1 end". Is it later possible to do "for i, target in pairs(mytable) do i:get_luaentity() end"?
15:40 Taoki In other words, if I add an entry to a table as an object, can I later use that entry as the object itself?
15:40 Taoki A similar question: If I do "local i = obj" (where obj is a Lua entity), can I then do "if i:get_luaentity()" somewhere else in the code?
15:41 Krock tryit
15:43 Taoki The SimpleMobs code seems to indicate that it works. But I'm not sure if Lua entities are stored as actual objects, or these are references I can use however I like
15:44 Krock sfan5, I started again a little try to get leveldb running with your zip archive from buildbot. Now, the cmake outputs me the following error: http://pastebin.com/qYDKgnUg Is it even windows-compatible?
15:46 Krock Taoki, for those problems, I mostly create some dummycode and test it :P
15:48 PenguinDad Krock: you know that this is just a warning?
15:48 Krock PenguinDad, yes but I don't want any problems in it. So I try to go around warnings
15:50 Krock ah yes, I wrote "error" instead of warning
15:53 Krock fun fact: first cmake files got created on Friday 13, 13:37
15:58 Krock no one likes me :(
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16:03 sfan5 Krock: ignore the warning, it should work
16:03 Krock okay thanks, sfan5
16:04 Krock it actually seems to compile right so far
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16:22 Vazon Morning guys
16:22 kaeza mornings Vazon
16:22 markv Hello people
16:22 MinetestBot markv: 06-17 07:06 UTC <nman3600> Can you give me these privs back on your server (I no longer have them): Fly Noclip and creative.
16:22 markv nman3600, Nope
16:22 nman3600 markv: Why
16:22 markv Prove yourself a worthy Super moderator to have them
16:22 markv No other moderator does
16:23 nman3600 Ah k
16:23 markv Sorry, had to sync the privs, that's all
16:23 Vazon Hi kaeza
16:23 Vazon mark how is your server running?
16:23 nman3600 markv Are you online now (your server)
16:23 * markv checks
16:23 Vazon They should be online
16:24 markv yup
16:24 Vazon kaeza, OldCoder needs to talk to you and ShadowNinja
16:24 nman3600 markv, can you come on your server now to explain to me what i can do for Super moderator
16:24 OldCoder
16:25 kaeza speaking of the devil :)
16:25 kaeza hi OldCoder
16:26 OldCoder kaeza, hey
16:26 Vazon OldCoder, hi :)
16:26 OldCoder Yo
16:28 Krock sfan5, yeah. it should work. sadly it didn't: LINK : fatal error LNK1181: Eingabedatei "libleveldb.dll.a.lib" kann nicht ge÷ffnet werden. [src\minetest.vcxproj]
16:28 Jordach :O
16:28 Jordach 42 posts until 4l
16:28 Jordach 4k*
16:28 sfan5 Krock: you need to compile leveldb yourself then
16:28 * sfan5 meows at Jordach
16:28 Jordach sfan5, make minetest git client please :3
16:29 Krock Jordach, okay.. take it asy and don't spam not those left posts :P
16:29 sfan5 Jordach: you mean a build? in a few mins maybe
16:29 Jordach Krock, there's a trash area of the forum for that
16:29 Jordach ;)
16:29 Krock ....
16:30 markv OldCoder, Could I get IRC back?
16:30 markv IRC mod
16:30 ShadowNinja OldCoder: o/  What is it, MT_IRC?
16:30 Jordach TIL my headset attracts a lot of hair
16:30 Krock hmm... what would happen when I rename "libleveldb.dll.a" to "libleveldb.dll.lib"?
16:30 Vazon mark
16:30 OldCoder ShadowNinja, markv, kaeza Need to discuss IRC mod after things settle down
16:31 ShadowNinja Krock: .dll is a windows shared library extension, .lib is a static library extension, .a is a Linux static library extension, all it's missing is .so!
16:31 kaeza OldCoder, feel free to PM when you are ready
16:31 Krock ShadowNinja, but there's no *.so file in *leveldb*
16:31 sfan5 ShadowNinja: .dll.a files are generated by mingw as a replacement for .lib's
16:32 ShadowNinja sfan5: Ah.
16:32 sfan5 s/as a replacement/instead of/
16:32 Krock so, would a rename work or is that just a dumb idea?
16:32 sfan5 Krock: probably not
16:32 Krock okay
16:32 * Krock trashes leveldb
16:32 OldCoder kaeza, Move will take about a week
16:32 Krock R.I.P
16:33 kaeza OldCoder, alright
16:33 PenguinDad Krock: I want to rest in pies too!
16:33 Krock PenguinDad, what ya mean?
16:34 Krock oh
16:34 Krock RIP
16:34 Krock I get it
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16:34 PenguinDad R.I.P. == Rest in Pies
16:35 OldCoder Could do worse
16:35 Krock The connection in my brain can hang up sometimes and can take up to (uint)-1 seconds
16:35 Krock or so.
16:35 twoelk eek brainlag
16:35 Krock ^
16:37 Krock agh.. again a TL;DR thread
16:37 Krock s/thread/post
16:39 Krock +1 for twoelk's batch script
16:41 ShadowNinja Krock: ~136.2 year lag?  Might want to work on that.
16:41 ShadowNinja (At least on most computers)
16:41 Krock ShadowNinja, some things I can't understand -> more than lifetime
16:42 ShadowNinja It can technically be only 18 hours acording to the C89 standard though.
16:43 Krock btw, shadowbot is not here :(
16:43 Krock I luv'd it
16:44 kaeza and you are missing on #-technic D:
16:44 kaeza (and several others)
16:45 Krock kaeza, hmm?
16:45 kaeza Krock, mmh?
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16:46 Krock mmh ,azeak?
16:47 kaeza ¿ɯɯɥ 'ʞɔoɹ⋊
16:47 kaeza dat K
16:49 markv I need a creative mod...
16:50 Jordach lel
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17:02 ShadowNinja Krock: Yes, it seems like her server is being moved to a place with a better connection now.
17:03 Krock ehm okay
17:09 Krock ShadowNinja, what would be a dummy-value of "CUSTOM_GETTEXT_PATH"? It seems like it doesn't switch the languages ingame with my new build
17:10 Krock the "locale" folder exist in the parent-folder of "bin"
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17:10 john_minetest Hello everypony
17:11 Krock hi
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17:16 Krock lol
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17:19 RealBadAngel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvO2iIBYvYk
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17:20 Artemis3 where is ponyville server john_minetest
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17:21 * Jordach thought meshnodes was in order
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17:33 ShadowNinja Krock: Yes, the language is a startup option.
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17:33 ShadowNinja I don't know about CUSTOM_GETTEXT_PATH.
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17:39 Krock ShadowNinja, the debug output seems to be correct ("19:21:57: INFO[main]: Message locale is now set to: LC_COLLATE=German_Switze...") but somehow it can't load those language files
17:40 Krock I guess you never cared about this because you speak english :/
17:44 * Krock copied and pasted some other locale folder from a minetest build and it worked...uh
17:45 blaise !up midnightsystems.net
17:45 MinetestBot midnightsystems.net:30000 is up (460ms)
17:45 blaise datz Reight!
17:46 blaise mudda pucka!
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18:06 ligeti Hello :)
18:06 Krock hi
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18:17 john_minetest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU1LOaV68kc
18:17 john_minetest !title
18:17 MinetestBot john_minetest: [North Korea] Hail N.Korean Communist Party (English Subtitle) - YouTube
18:17 john_minetest lolwut
18:18 sfan5 meow
18:18 * john_minetest gives sfan5 a <'((((((--<
18:18 john_minetest Somebody sent me that link and I put it here to !title it :D
18:18 * sfan5 noms it
18:19 * PenguinDad eats a >-))))))°>
18:19 Jordach john_minetest, !title <link>
18:19 Jordach less lines :)
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18:21 Jordach with a glove
18:21 Krock Jordach, you're the slapping king.. a new one must be there!
18:21 * Krock points at IRC stats
18:22 Jordach Krock, i chaimpion the late UTC+0 hours
18:22 Jordach VanessaE takes the early morning :P
18:23 Krock I saw
18:23 Krock I'm the co-king at slapping
18:23 Krock yay!
18:23 * Jordach slaps Krock
18:23 Jordach nope.avi
18:23 * Krock slaps Jordach
18:23 * Jordach slaps Krock
18:23 sfan5 Jordach: y u no .mkv?
18:23 * Krock slaps kaeza
18:23 * sfan5 flips Krock
18:23 * Krock flops sfan5
18:24 Amaz sfan5:  y u no .mts?
18:24 Amaz :P
18:24 Krock why no .mpeg?
18:24 sfan5 .mts is mpeg
18:24 Krock ah
18:24 Jordach that's a minetest schematic
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18:24 Jordach wtf are you even doing D:
18:24 Amaz Also a video format..
18:24 sfan5 Jordach: .mts can be mpeg too
18:25 Krock .flv!
18:25 sfan5 eww
18:25 kaeza kill it with fire!
18:25 Krock >:D
18:25 sfan5 y u no Matroska?
18:25 * sfan5 sets Krock on fire
18:25 Jordach H.264!
18:25 * Krock slaps fire until it dies
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18:26 Calinou https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1380 → I kind of dislike this formspec-bashing
18:26 Calinou it's unproductive, like most program-bashing
18:26 * Amaz pours petrol over Krock, then sets fire to the petrol
18:26 * Krock jumps in water
18:27 sfan5 Calinou: the problem is we are 100% right, formspecs are bad and should just go die
18:27 * Krock waits until krock:get_breath() < 2
18:27 Jordach Calinou, then how about we remove sapier from being a core dev
18:27 * sfan5 taps Krock
18:27 Jordach that solves most of our problems
18:27 * Krock comes up - fire gone
18:27 * kaeza read that with an 'f'
18:27 kaeza D:
18:27 sfan5 kaeza: D:
18:27 kaeza cannot unsee
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18:29 ecutruin o/
18:29 Calinou found a 50 block-high plateau on a singleplayer world
18:29 Calinou sfan5, what's wrong with them?
18:29 Calinou the language used to define them seems to be fairly logical
18:29 Calinou you specify a position and what to put in that position
18:29 Calinou it doesn't especially feel like black magic
18:30 kaeza could be cool if it was implemented using named fields
18:30 * kaeza hides
18:30 sfan5 Calinou: but the position is in inventory fields
18:30 sfan5 inventory fields
18:30 sfan5 inventory fields!!
18:31 Calinou how does screenshot naming work?
18:31 Calinou it's like screenshot_somenumberthatmakessomesense.png
18:31 Calinou but what does the number mean?
18:31 Krock random!
18:31 Calinou it doesn't feel so random
18:31 kaeza ms since epoch?
18:31 Calinou sfan5, what's wrong with that?
18:31 dzho seconds since the epoch?
18:32 Calinou https://cdn.mediacru.sh/vu_w7M3lI4_D.jpg
18:32 Calinou here's the plateau
18:32 Calinou Y = 43 atm ost
18:32 Calinou at most*
18:32 sfan5 Calinou: I think it's illogical
18:32 sfan5 screenshots are named after time
18:32 sfan5 but some weird sort of time
18:32 Calinou inventory fields are predictable, no?
18:33 Calinou since they're some kind of square
18:34 sfan5 <Calinou> since they're some kind of square
18:34 sfan5 right there, you have it
18:35 sfan5 nobody knows how big they exactly ae
18:35 sfan5 are*
18:35 Ritchie hello :)
18:35 * Krock sais hello
18:35 * sfan5 meows at Ritchie
18:35 Ritchie I found Minetest on ThePirateBay https://thepiratebay.se/torrent/8777601/M​inetest_0.4.7_%28HOT%29___New_Minecraft__
18:36 * sfan5 did too
18:36 sfan5 it seems entirely pointless having a free game on TPB
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18:37 sfan5 but when you look closely you see it actually _is_ entirely pointless and does not just seem so
18:37 Ritchie yeah I agree
18:39 Ritchie and this is quite untrusted and can have malware included
18:41 Jordach it's the cracks from the well known teams you don't have to worry about (why'd you think there are different coloured skull ranks for)
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18:50 Calinou http://bashrcgenerator.com/ → interesting
18:52 DS__ !title
18:52 MinetestBot DS__: .bashrc generator: create your .bashrc PS1 with a drag and drop interface
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18:56 Calinou sfan5, about formspec… I'd rather have coloured text support everywhere (console) :p
18:56 Calinou like Freeminer has
18:56 Calinou quite important for making /help and /privs more readable
18:57 DS__ http://notevendoommusic.com !title
18:57 DS__ !title
18:57 MinetestBot DS__: NEDM
18:59 DS__ the coolest guy in github: https://github.com/celeron55
18:59 DS__ !title
18:59 MinetestBot DS__: celeron55 · GitHub
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19:04 Krock ye. title is useful
19:04 PilzAdam Calinou, what a shitty website that only works with JS
19:06 Calinou added Jumping by Jeija in Carbone (cushions and trampolines)
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19:25 CWz does anybody else hate it when someone bashes your head in with their opinions and views?
19:27 Amaz What Wuzzy said makes a lot of sense...
19:31 Amaz But I agree that he can be very like what you said..
19:32 CWz Yeah I pm'ed him and metaphorically tore him to shreds over it.
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19:40 DS__ hey, hybridog made a full automatic rocket launcher: http://vimeo.com/98421432
19:40 DS__ !title
19:40 MinetestBot DS__: minetest fullautomatic rocket launcher on Vimeo
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19:47 nman3600 Heyo
19:49 john_minetest The coolest guy in programming: http://bellard.org/
19:49 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Remove not really used guiTextInputMenu c0e4551249 2014-06-17T21:27:40+02:00 http://git.io/2MBKgQ
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20:20 john_minetest On the wrong side of the revolution
20:21 PenguinDad Now they'r back
20:21 PenguinDad +e
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20:45 ecutruin Damn, tons of splits.
20:47 PenguinDad A ton of Banana split or anything like that is far too much for me
20:50 * ecutruin laughs.
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20:55 PenguinDad Anyways I got to go
21:26 VanessaE good afternoon (to whoever's still on this side of that last split)
21:27 ecutruin Hey V.
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21:30 Vazon of what?
21:31 * Vazon can't figure out what mod is causing players to time out
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21:44 Vazon VanessaE: any idea what would cuase the media to freeze when login to a servet
21:45 Jordach Vazon, because minetest is still singlethreaded so other parts of Minetest either stop or appear hung until that finishes
21:45 Jordach basically, a sort of race condition where each part is fighting to be done first
21:47 Vazon grrr, anyway to fix this?? becuase other wise my servers are useless unless i remove some of my mods
21:47 Jordach Vazon, cURL media servers help by far
21:48 Jordach without them it took me at least 40 minutes or more to get to VanessaE's biggest, with cURL media, at least 5
21:48 Vazon well the one hosted by OldCoder is worse and it uses cURL and has the same mods
21:48 Jordach you're doing it wrong :)
21:48 OldCoder
21:48 Jordach </vanessae>
21:49 john_minetest Traffic jam? Nah. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped​ia/commons/0/0c/Liebherr_t282_1.jpg
21:49 Vazon OldCoder, if you want you can shutdown mine till i get this fixed
21:51 VanessaE heh
21:52 VanessaE I step away for several minutes and I need not worry, Jordach has it all covered :)
21:52 Jordach clearly me and VanessaE appear to have the same mineset according to FB analysis
21:52 VanessaE yeah.  scary
21:52 VanessaE what's worse is kaeza and I are nearly identical ;)
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21:54 sapier everyone please test latest android build, https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&amp;t=9389 there are no know critical issues left, if noone does find any that's what's more or less what's gonna be our first official android version
21:59 Vazon i just ripped apart the mods and are trying to pin point the exact mod that is causing the problem
22:00 SylvieLorxu sapier: No source code? :(
22:01 SylvieLorxu >Devices with only 512MB ram may crash due to out of memory
22:01 SylvieLorxu Oh, I only have 270MB, heh...
22:01 sapier source code is on github
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22:01 SylvieLorxu Ah, cool
22:01 SylvieLorxu Would be cool to see this in F-Droid once
22:01 sapier if you're not trying to go to vanessae's servers 270 mb will most likely be ok too
22:02 Jordach sapier, i'm going to be breaking minetest
22:02 sapier especially avoid servers with hires textures or signs mod
22:02 Jordach 4182mb of VRAM vs HDX512 w/ Normal Maps
22:02 sapier lol
22:03 Jordach sapier, https://cdn.mediacru.sh/ynUXoee_n6Yp.png
22:03 sapier github source code is even slightly more advanced as I did some improvements for a7v-hard build mode and ogles2 lately
22:04 sapier hmm I suggest adding my recent performance fixes branch uppon latest minetest master maybe you'll get a success
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22:21 Vazon ok i think i fixed it, can someone try and join Minerealms Mapgen v7
22:23 OldCoder Vazon, what did you change?
22:25 Vazon OldCoder i was going threw all of my test worlds and i relized i messed up when testing the ambence mod i just used that mod, but didnt test it with my other mods so i removed it and i think its fixed. I no longer stop on media it used to take me about 10 sec with and now it takes less than 2 to get threw media. i just need to see if it fixed the timing out
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22:26 Vazon wb kaeza
22:26 * Jordach purrs at kaeza
22:26 kaeza o/
22:27 VanessaE Jordach: well?  report! :)
22:27 Jordach VanessaE, still clonin
22:27 VanessaE oh ok
22:27 VanessaE waiting to see if HDX melts your APU :)
22:27 Jordach now this is when it doesn
22:27 VanessaE greets kaeza
22:27 Jordach t*
22:29 EvergreenTree VanessaE: I'm going to try it too
22:29 OldCoder Vazon, so you no longer advise to remove the guest or whatever mod?
22:29 EvergreenTree it will probably melt my gpu though.  :P
22:30 Vazon no i was over looking it
22:35 Jordach VanessaE, we be extracting
22:36 Jordach preparing doom in eta 1 minute
22:36 VanessaE extracting? O_o
22:36 VanessaE you grabbed the zip?
22:37 Jordach GO GOGOGOGOGO
22:38 VanessaE well? :)
22:39 Jordach still going
22:39 Jordach going through item textures
22:39 VanessaE someone get Jordach a roll of paper towels
22:39 VanessaE he's gonna need 'em
22:39 Jordach 657.6mb ram used by Minetest
22:40 Jordach 773.3mb
22:40 VanessaE heh
22:40 Jordach nearly finished extruding
22:40 Jordach pushing system fans to 100%
22:40 VanessaE warning:  it'll get real G*d damn slow the first time you dig dirt and get mushroom spores.
22:41 VanessaE as in, there will be a 20-30 second hang
22:41 Jordach i forgot to apply HDX
22:41 VanessaE wat
22:42 Jordach and i didn#'t have a media cache
22:42 VanessaE Jordach: here, you need this:
22:42 Jordach i've already downloaded the media
22:42 Jordach 2GB used
22:42 Jordach 4gb
22:42 VanessaE http://pastebin.com/y3vYQGNJ
22:43 VanessaE Apply this. it'll disable the extrude code.
22:43 VanessaE you'll probably get up to around 12 GB of RAM used before it either finishes or craps out
22:46 Jordach >windows
22:46 Jordach still alive
22:47 Jordach we're onto item textures
22:48 Jordach and we're at 4gb of ram
22:48 Jordach NOT climbing
22:48 VanessaE Jordach: why are you preloading item visuals?
22:48 Jordach because fuck it - why not
22:49 VanessaE well if you wanna wait 4 minutes for each sign-on instead of ~15 seconds :P
22:49 Jordach VanessaE, i'd rather not waste a year waiting for formspecs
22:50 VanessaE heh
22:50 Jordach my APU is reporting 41C
22:51 Jordach 4GB and climbing
22:52 VanessaE 41 is good
22:52 VanessaE 4GB is average.
22:52 Jordach >Minetest [Main Menu] (Not responding)
22:52 Jordach the window is visibly still working
22:53 VanessaE heh
22:53 Jordach A song of swap space and RAM
22:53 VanessaE heh
22:53 VanessaE how much you up to now?
22:53 VanessaE in total
22:53 Jordach 4,200MB
22:57 Jordach *turns of preload*
22:58 Jordach 5.5GB
22:59 Jordach i'm in!
23:00 Jordach avg fps: 15
23:01 Jordach VanessaE, https://cdn.mediacru.sh/3bec5wiK1Tp7.png
23:02 Jordach dead after attempting to fullscreen it
23:03 Jordach going to try again
23:04 Jordach minus the fullscreening
23:04 VanessaE heh
23:04 VanessaE how much RAM did it take?
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23:05 Jordach task manager is visible
23:05 VanessaE oh yeah
23:05 VanessaE so it is
23:05 VanessaE 5.2 GB
23:05 VanessaE sounds about right
23:05 VanessaE use the 256px size
23:05 VanessaE it works fine with the 512px normalmaps
23:05 VanessaE (you can use any size of normalmaps with any size of texture files - mix and match)
23:06 Jordach if it jumps from 300mb to 5gb
23:06 Jordach then you've managed to login
23:08 Jordach 10 FPS
23:08 Jordach deal with it
23:08 Jordach 30 just a few meters from spawn
23:09 EvergreenTree I got about that with a lag spike every time I loaded a chunk
23:09 EvergreenTree and I have only 4gb of ram
23:09 EvergreenTree and 2gb of vram
23:09 EvergreenTree I'll see how I do minus the normalmaps
23:09 Jordach -95, 15, -477 = 30fps for me
23:09 Jordach i am pushing nearly 6GB
23:10 Jordach going to full screen
23:11 EvergreenTree I'd like to see someone with a better ccomputer than mine do the same thing
23:11 Jordach IT LIVED
23:11 Mallot1 i would if i could
23:11 EvergreenTree I'm sure a modern gaming machine would handle it pretty well
23:11 Taoki https://forum.minetest.net/viewt​opic.php?f=9&amp;t=9240#p145362 Posted an update to my creatures mod. Might find it interesting if anyone's a fan of mobs
23:12 Taoki Pretty much, I managed to achieve a nice and intelligent AI in SimpleMobs, while I doubt I made it any more bloated or resource costly
23:12 Mallot1 well done man! thats my favorite mobs mod :D
23:13 Jordach VanessaE, WINNING https://cdn.mediacru.sh/r-ZACzyRYHJq.png
23:13 Jordach YOUR SHITTY GPU CANNOT BEAT MY APU
23:14 Jordach now concede that windows is superior to your Linux kernel
23:15 EvergreenTree Eh Jordach, windows doesn't have any affect on performace
23:15 EvergreenTree (not that I know of anyway)
23:15 Jordach EvergreenTree, explain why it survived
23:15 EvergreenTree Jordach, she just doesn't have as good hardware
23:16 Jordach she has a HEXCORE
23:16 Jordach and more ram
23:16 EvergreenTree but what about the gpu?
23:16 Mallot1 and windows 8.1 is the good stuff
23:17 Jordach EvergreenTree, unknown
23:18 VanessaE and a really crappy GPU by comparison.
23:18 Jordach EvergreenTree, APUs are UNDERlocked compared to an actual GPU
23:18 VanessaE HD6870, 1GB.
23:18 Jordach clocked*
23:18 VanessaE ok, smartass.
23:18 VanessaE I'll try it.
23:18 Jordach it's to prevent overheating
23:18 Jordach i've actually had the chip to 85 centigrade
23:19 Jordach fail
23:20 indoors we
23:20 indoors *:)
23:21 VanessaE 6GB
23:21 VanessaE 7GB
23:21 minetest was kicked by Jordach: quit pissing about
23:21 VanessaE 8GB
23:21 Jordach CRASH CRASH CRASH CRASH CRASH CRASH CRASH CRASH CRASH CRASH
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23:21 VanessaE 9.6 GB
23:21 VanessaE 10GB
23:21 Jordach so i hear you like your shitty Linux
23:22 Jordach with apparently bad memory issues :3
23:22 KB windows is better D
23:22 KB *xD
23:22 Jordach i'm using half that ram and getting playable FPSS
23:22 Guest31646 windows 8.1
23:23 Guest31646 who here loves Windows 8.1? say I
23:24 minecraft was kicked by Jordach: i've had enough now, unban in an hour
23:26 Jordach !tell sapier https://forum.minetest.net/viewto​pic.php?f=3&amp;p=145363#p145363
23:26 MinetestBot Jordach: yeah, sure, whatever
23:26 * Jordach pets MinetestBot
23:26 Jordach Vanessa just crashed D:
23:28 Sokomine which file was the relevant one for overriding minetest.conf values for individual worlds?
23:29 Sokomine jordach: what happened to your server? havn't seen it again :-(
23:29 Jordach Sokomine, since my AMD drivers went up de nile (kernel updates = dead drivers)
23:29 Jordach i had to resume Windows 8
23:29 Sokomine jordach: sounds strange
23:30 Jordach Sokomine, are the smaller streams that form the Nile River Juveniles?
23:34 Sokomine jordach: aeh...some playing with language?
23:34 Vazon Sokomina
23:34 Vazon Sokomine*
23:34 Sokomine hi vazon
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23:35 VanessaE talk about a crash.
23:35 Vazon Hi, can you run a test for me Soko?
23:35 VanessaE I had to hard-power-off the machine to get up off of THAT one.
23:35 Jordach VanessaE, so clearly windows wins again
23:36 Jordach wtf is inside my desktop
23:36 VanessaE Jordach: no, so clearly there's a really BAD memory leak in Linux builds.
23:36 VanessaE 10GB versus 5?
23:36 VanessaE however, that Linux crashed when it ran out of memory instead of just killing the offending process is a bad mark for Linux, I'll agree with you there.
23:37 Exio4 do you have swap?
23:38 Sokomine vazon: can you tell me more about what kind of test you have in mind?
23:38 Exio4 if yes, how much? what is your swapiness?
23:38 Sokomine vanessae: bad
23:38 VanessaE Exio4: 16GB of RAM, and no swap.
23:38 Exio4 no swap
23:38 Exio4 exactly
23:38 VanessaE why the hell should I need swap with that much RAM???
23:38 Exio4 who the fuck will use ZERO SWAP
23:39 Vazon Sokomine: I have started a paramat v7 mapgen server but im also using it to see if i can fix the media hang ups, can you log in and tell me if it is still getting stuck?
23:39 Sokomine there used to be issues where "no swap" did confuse linux - it ran better if there was a physikal swap drive, even though it did not make much sense
23:39 Exio4 no swap means if no memory is left, lets kill someone
23:39 Exio4 OOM
23:39 Exio4 out of memory
23:40 Sokomine vazon: hm. i may try, but i usually don't run into media hangups due to a well-filled cache. i join so many servers that almost every image is in my cache by now
23:40 VanessaE Exio4: yeah, so how about we kill the thing that sent the machine off into la-la land?
23:40 Exio4 killing something means the kernel says "fuck you" and kills whatever it finds worth killing
23:40 Exio4 that thing wouldn't have crashed your machine if you had some swap
23:40 Vazon o lol
23:40 Exio4 even if it was just 4gb
23:40 VanessaE Exio4: let me reiterate.  sixteen gigs of RAM.
23:41 VanessaE that's a metric fuckload.,
23:41 Exio4 yeah, i have 12gb and i love swap because i sometimes fuck up with VMs and end using 20 gb of ram
23:41 VanessaE I shouldn't need swap at all.
23:41 Exio4 it ain't a fuckload
23:41 * Jordach hands VanessaE a phat one
23:41 Jordach chill out
23:41 Exio4 the swap is freaking nice hey
23:41 Exio4 why people say swap is bad
23:42 Exio4 did a bug called swap bite you as child? seriously, swap means the system will free your FAST ram of crap and let the system have more cache there
23:42 Exio4 and it also means in the worst case of something leaking memory, the system won't kill anything "pseudo-random"
23:43 Exio4 i've never crashed my system by overusing memory, and i have a lot of ram hey!
23:44 VanessaE fine
23:44 * VanessaE turns on 16GB of swap
23:44 VanessaE hm
23:44 * VanessaE doesn't
23:44 Jordach VanessaE, so if i try to break minetest with something that should kill it, yet it doesn't die; why is that
23:45 Exio4 what happened tho?
23:45 VanessaE Jordach: I'd tend to blame the OS actually.
23:45 VanessaE Exio4: nowhere sane to put it.
23:45 Jordach VanessaE, i can get similar results on my old Acer desktop
23:45 Jordach with 128x
23:45 VanessaE Exio4: only 4.6G free in /, 22 free in /home, 384 on /storage (and that's spinning rust)
23:46 Jordach VanessaE, protip: wondered why Quassel and crew were only using ~20mb of ram?
23:46 Exio4 where you going to put swap in your SSD? poor disk
23:46 VanessaE Exio4: modern SSD, swap won't kill it
23:46 Jordach windows was hotswapping them between cache and swap
23:47 Exio4 VanessaE: how did you make your system OOM though?
23:47 VanessaE Exio4: one of the big sites like anandtech or tomshardware or some such, just did this test with modern SSDs, found that they'll all go way WAY beyond their rating now, as in hundreds of terabytes.
23:47 VanessaE Exio4: um, weren't you watching?  Minetest + HDX 512 + my creative server.
23:47 Jordach VanessaE, i used survival
23:47 Exio4 but just that?
23:47 Exio4 oh, preloading item visuals
23:47 Exio4 i see
23:47 Exio4 didn't read that part
23:47 VanessaE Exio4: no, no preload.
23:48 Exio4 what?!
23:48 VanessaE you heard me.
23:48 Exio4 Jordach: how much is your system using with HDX-256?
23:48 VanessaE Minetest has a major memory leak when built on Linux.
23:49 Exio4 how much is the download from git of https://github.com/VanessaE/hdx-512? 1gb?
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23:49 Mallot1 hi
23:49 VanessaE Exio4: about 1.1GB if you clone it.
23:49 Mallot1 :)
23:49 Exio4 (cuz i would like to make an estimate of the download)
23:49 Jordach Exio4, 412mb via zipball
23:49 VanessaE Exio4: the actual textures ...yeah
23:49 VanessaE what Jordach saoid
23:49 VanessaE said*
23:50 * Mallot1 goes back to working on iOS app
23:50 * Mallot1 is AFC
23:50 Exio4 ok, so i'll download the .zip :D
23:50 Exio4 1gb is way too much for my ~
23:50 Jordach normals is 725mb
23:50 VanessaE Mallot1: go away with your iOS stuff G*d damn it
23:50 Mallot1 :|
23:50 Jordach VanessaE, i like iOS for one thing: playing my goddamn music libraryu
23:50 Jordach -u
23:50 Mallot1 well that was un called for
23:51 * Mallot1 is AFC
23:51 VanessaE Mallot1: you wanna develop an iOS port of Minetest, great!
23:51 VanessaE otherwise stop talking about it here
23:51 Exio4 one hour and 50 minute
23:51 Exio4 s
23:51 Exio4 shit
23:51 Jordach >No unauthorised advertising / bots
23:51 Jordach someone didn't read the fuckin topic as usual :3
23:51 VanessaE Jordach: HDX256:
23:51 VanessaE 7237 vanessa   20   0 6582532 5.609g  60480 D 107.1 35.8   2:00.51 minetest
23:52 Jordach VanessaE, filter out the git change fikles
23:52 Exio4 what about hdx-128? (the only i have downloaded)
23:52 * Mallot1 is not averting he is just enjoying the life that has been deprived from many of you
23:52 Jordach that's why it's so fuckin large :P
23:52 * Mallot1 is AFC
23:52 Exio4 you're being an asshole Mallot1
23:52 Mallot1 im not VanesaE is to me i just said see ya :| bye
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23:52 VanessaE *sich*
23:53 VanessaE *sigh*
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23:53 VanessaE Jordach: I have no control over how big the github ZIP is or what is included in it.
23:53 VanessaE it's always the whole repo as far as I know.
23:53 Jordach VanessaE, the zip never contains anything but the original files, no git logs
23:53 Jordach afaik*
23:54 VanessaE the releases on the forum page are, however, stripped of all the git history, but they're also not full copies, they're e.g. "default stuff only" or customized for certain games.
23:56 Exio4 i want better cooling :(
23:57 wowsuphey Exio4; buy a fan
23:57 wowsuphey :)
23:57 Exio4 yeah, sure, give me money
23:57 VanessaE Jordach: oh yeah?
23:58 Jordach http://imgur.com/gallery/eRIPK :3
23:59 Exio4 20:58:55: ACTION[main]: Client: Contacting remote server "http://192.99.11.10/creative-survival-media/"
23:59 Exio4 192.99 o.O

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