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00:32 khonkhortisan Kacey, functions are and anything cool that can freeze the server is disabled
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00:46 jojoa1997|Tablet jordan4ipbanez ping
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00:52 jojoa1997|Tablet lol from how much he has added to minetest look at his posts http://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?id=4908
00:58 NakedFury he needs 1 more to take him seriously
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01:06 kaeza https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/screenshot_doomtest.jpg
01:06 kaeza :D
01:10 jordan4ibanez I think minetest has started to have too many politics involved
01:10 * jojoa1997|Tablet gives kaeza a hug
01:10 jordan4ibanez I can't load that image, can you imgur it
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01:13 kaeza http://imgur.com/wqJaBg7
01:13 jordan4ibanez hmmmm how is this coming along? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=85422#p85422
01:13 jordan4ibanez OH MY GOD that's awesome
01:13 jordan4ibanez Can I submit it to user-submitted? :D
01:14 Kacey http://ifunny.mobi/f/eSnH1PDy I KNEW IT WAS TRUE!!!
01:15 ShadowNinja Kacey: lol
01:15 Pentium44 Bye all
01:15 kaeza jordan4ibanez, ofc :D
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01:16 ShadowNinja jordan4ibanez: he thought of looking at how terasology did it in -dev.
01:16 kaeza jordan4ibanez, BTW, It's done with HUD API + this: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/679
01:16 drizz Kacey: that doesn't make any sense :/
01:17 Kacey drizz, wires are fourth dimensional little buggers
01:17 drizz oh, yeah, I definitely get the point
01:18 khonkhortisan That's actually true
01:18 khonkhortisan Except for when they get tangled, you have to slot rotate just to do the other transformation
01:18 drizz but rotating it in 3-dimension space wouldn't necessarily move it in a 4th dimension
01:20 drizz it's totally plausible that there's a quantum-reaction going on there, though.
01:20 Kacey lol
01:20 drizz it's clearly in two different states at once
01:21 jordan4ibanez The only applicable use for that kaeza is if you make an arcade machine, change the users HUD, teleport them into the sky above the clouds, generate a doom map, and  spawn mobs then when the level is over, freeze the player in place, load up the next level, until the player dies
01:22 * Kacey wishes he could convince a midget to put on a leprechaun costume and run down the street yelling "THEY"RE AFTER ME LUCKY CHARMS!"
01:27 kaeza jordan4ibanez, you can do tons of interesting stuff you couldn't before with the Lua HUD
01:27 jordan4ibanez HMMMM
01:27 kaeza (or at least, stuff that didn't look well)
01:27 kaeza +before
01:27 jordan4ibanez Can I make a cat dancing?
01:27 kaeza yep
01:27 jordan4ibanez Can I have gui buttons?
01:27 ShadowNinja lol
01:27 kaeza erhm... GUI buttons?
01:28 kaeza and how do you plan to click them?
01:28 ShadowNinja You could before, formspecs
01:28 jordan4ibanez 2 steps forward, one step back
01:28 kaeza lol
01:28 jordan4ibanez I don't know, incorperate them into the normal gui, and when the inventory formspec is brought up, make them clickable
01:29 kaeza gl;hf with that
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01:30 Kacey To avoid parking tickets keep your windshield wipers on high
01:30 jordan4ibanez Good idea
01:30 khonkhortisan To scare the cop away, put them on low
01:31 kaeza http://ifunny.mobi/p/A7DdOKMg
01:34 Kacey http://youtu.be/qnydFmqHuVo
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01:39 Kacey If you seen me running through the school with all the teachers chasing me, what would you think I did?
01:41 AshleyWaffle Kacey: played Minetest
01:41 AshleyWaffle in class
01:41 AshleyWaffle that's what I'd do
01:41 Kacey lol no i always do that
01:41 AshleyWaffle both the running and the playing
01:41 AshleyWaffle lol
01:41 AshleyWaffle high school?
01:43 Kacey middle still
01:43 Kacey almost highschool though
01:43 Kacey and it's funny
01:44 Kacey the high school i am going to is called East High
01:44 Kacey which is where HSM is located
01:52 AshleyWaffle ah
01:53 AshleyWaffle Kacey: you killed someone? you hid drugs? what?
01:53 Kacey idk
01:53 AshleyWaffle 0_o
01:53 Kacey probably something really stupid
01:53 Kacey lol had the best moment in the office ever
01:54 Kacey some kid broke a door and put it through a wall
01:54 Kacey so, of course they choose the kid with the anger issues, they pull ME into the office
01:54 Kacey once they explained what happened, i couldn't stop laughing
01:55 Kacey so they asked me, "did you do it?" "no" "then why are you laughing" "because whoever did is a freaking legend!"
01:57 drizz eh..
01:57 drizz how old are you?
02:01 AshleyWaffle drizz: young enough to be treated as elligible for age discriminatory imprisonment
02:01 jojoa1997|Tablet dun dun DUN . . .
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02:16 jordan4ibanez kaeza, how does the gui thing work?
02:17 VanessaE hi all.
02:17 VanessaE someone tell Jordach that I wouldn't refuse a wedding anniversary gift in the form of a large sum of cash, as long as he has money to blow.  ;)
02:18 kaeza jordan4ibanez, it's documented in lua_api.txt
02:18 VanessaE regarding that doom HUD screeshot.  is that real or photoshopped?
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02:21 kaeza1 VanessaE, real
02:21 kaeza1 using the new align options in the HUD API
02:21 kaeza1 (if they are merged that is)
02:21 kaeza1 jordan4ibanez, see this: https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-kaeza_misc/tree/master/crosshair_ex
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02:22 VanessaE neat
02:22 kaeza1 VanessaE, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/679
02:24 VanessaE nice
02:24 jordan4ibanez http://pastie.org/pastes/7700744/text?key=awdawhymujd2c6yuje0ha
02:24 jordan4ibanez simple server-side double tap running
02:26 jordan4ibanez It's quite efficient, if we could set the FOV it would be even better
02:27 kaeza +1
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02:30 kaeza jordan4ibanez, that is cool
02:31 jojoa1997|Tablet what is
02:31 jojoa1997|Tablet and doea not_in_creative_inventory=0 mean it is?
02:31 kaeza it would be awesome if you could add some kind of stamina (with an optional HUD bar)
02:32 kaeza jojoa1997|Tablet, it means what it says
02:32 VanessaE kaeza: now, you think you're so fancy-schmancy, make that Doom HUD display actually *work* :D
02:32 jordan4ibanez Thank you, and I was planning on adding hunger and thirst and energy, but right now I am too lazy
02:32 NakedFury then add a lazy bar!
02:32 kaeza jordan4ibanez, can I add that to survival_modpack? with credits of course
02:33 jordan4ibanez Yes
02:33 kaeza NakedFury, lol
02:33 kaeza VanessaE, SOON
02:33 kaeza DOOM*
02:33 VanessaE heh
02:34 kaeza I just got an idea...I can add an Ammo HUD to firearms :D
02:34 jojoa1997|Tablet YESYESYES
02:35 jojoa1997|Tablet jordan that is getting added to minitest under the name sprint
02:36 jordan4ibanez I could add a lazy bar, the longer you go afk, the slower your player goes, and you need to walk around for your player to become un-lazy and fast again
02:37 jojoa1997|Tablet stamina
02:37 jojoa1997|Tablet jordan how do i sprint?
02:37 kaeza http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/37200246.jpg
02:38 NakedFury no lazy bar works this way: the more you do stuff the more it fills. when it is full your character goes on a lazyness rampage. he wont work or bathe or eat. or he will do is piss, crap, and sit on the sofa or bed
02:38 jojoa1997|Tablet kaeza +1
02:39 jojoa1997|Tablet jordan how do i sprint
02:39 kaeza double-tap up
02:39 kaeza ('W')
02:39 jojoa1997|Tablet do i set it to true?
02:40 jojoa1997|Tablet nvm figured it out
02:40 jojoa1997|Tablet jordan maybe some bobbing would be nice
02:40 kaeza lol
02:46 jojoa1997|Tablet i just ran across a desert
02:46 jojoa1997|Tablet 6 minutes with sprint
02:50 jojoa1997|Tablet kaeza release doomtest
02:51 kaeza lol "release doomtest"
02:51 kaeza hmm...
02:51 NakedFury it doesnt have anything to do with the doom games right?
02:51 * kaeza is going to freedoom project for images
02:52 kaeza NakedFury, you don't like Doom? :(
02:52 NakedFury no
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02:53 kaeza hehe
02:53 kaeza the doomtest image was just a joke
02:54 kaeza but actually, I'm planning to do a full FPS-oriented game mode later
02:54 kaeza (I mean a real FPS, not that AoS crap)
02:54 jojoa1997|Tablet AoS?
02:55 kaeza Ace Of Spades
02:59 jojoa1997|Tablet Ace Of Spades?
03:01 jojoa1997|Tablet !g Ace Of Spades
03:01 MinetestBot jojoa1997|Tablet: http://ace.mu.nu/
03:01 jojoa1997|Tablet oh very nice
03:01 jojoa1997|Tablet " Bioengineered yeast can synthesize malaria drug"
03:13 drizz ... just in case you have any excess yeast you don't know what to do with.. O.o
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03:17 kaeza jojoa1997|Tablet, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ace_of_Spades_(video_game)
03:19 jordan4ibanez Goodnight peoples
03:19 VanessaE bbl, gonna try to get some sleep
03:19 VanessaE night.
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03:31 jojoa1997|Tablet I need sleep too night all
03:32 kaeza nite
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03:55 kaeza https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7340661248/h01F5887F/
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04:20 Pentium44 ShadowNinja, here
04:21 ShadowNinja Pentium44: well is there something you wanted to tell me?
04:22 Pentium44 no, I was just saying hi
04:22 ShadowNinja OK, well hi :-)
04:23 Pentium44 8)
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04:25 ShadowNinja OldCoder: I see you arn't using sasl anymore
04:31 VanessaE *sigh*
04:32 VanessaE sleep, why do you evade me? :(
04:33 khonkhortisan You're on here
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05:35 OldCoder Hi
05:35 OldCoder Who paged?
05:35 VanessaE not I
05:35 VanessaE but hi anyway :)
05:35 OldCoder ShadowBot, I am using it
05:35 OldCoder VanessaE, hi
05:35 OldCoder ShadowNinja, ^
05:36 OldCoder If it did not work
05:36 OldCoder I will need to debug it later; too tired atm
06:11 VanessaE zzz
06:13 [0gb_us] yyy
06:14 kaeza xxx
06:14 kaeza crap
06:14 [0gb_us] www
06:14 [0gb_us] WHat happened?
06:15 kaeza no-www.org
06:15 VanessaE ?
06:15 kaeza xxx == ?
06:15 [0gb_us] Oh, nice. Active again.
06:16 [0gb_us] == three of the same letter?
06:16 khonkhortisan vvv
06:16 [0gb_us] uuu
06:17 kaeza ssspppaaammm http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=86009#p86009
06:17 [0gb_us] Back when I had a site, I used on of those no-www.org icons on my site.
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06:17 khonkhortisan The story's not believable, and I don't know what it is
06:35 MinetestBot GIT:  commited to minetest/minetest: Added offset support for HUD items 9894167bbf 2013-04-22T23:34:11-07:00 http://git.io/jJeINw
06:38 kaeza thank you ""
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06:40 ShadowNinja kaeza: MinetestBot only shows one of the commits, ShadowBot shows both, and a lot faster :-)
06:41 [0gb_us] Both commits and what other thing?
06:42 ShadowNinja You mean the other commit?
06:42 ShadowNinja That was annother hud related one by kaeza
06:43 ShadowNinja Bye!
06:43 [0gb_us] Oh, sorry. I misread your statement, ShadowNinja.
06:43 [0gb_us] Bye.
06:43 kaeza ok, now on to something else
06:43 kaeza cya Shadow
06:45 kaeza ok, added a new stupid crosshair mod to my 'misc' stuff
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06:47 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Add option to not prepend "Server -!- " to messages sent with minetest.chat_send_player() 3d4d0cb574 2013-04-22T23:47:08-07:00 http://git.io/qE6o0w
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06:58 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Add minetest.get_player_ip() 4a9b8aae5e 2013-04-22T23:57:45-07:00 http://git.io/EqzIsA
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07:01 VanessaE kaeza: DAMN you didn't waste any time :)
07:01 kaeza hm?
07:02 VanessaE the HUD positioning patch goes in and 20 mins later, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=86012#p86012
07:03 kaeza :D
07:03 kaeza I had that into the modpack a while ago
07:03 kaeza (since yesterday I think)
07:03 VanessaE who am I to talk though?  I pushed changed to HDX within seconds of their respective features being patched in :)
07:03 VanessaE changes*
07:03 kaeza hah
07:04 kaeza I do see your stuff sometimes even before the actual patches :P
07:04 VanessaE hehe
07:04 VanessaE I like to try to stay current
07:05 celeron55 MinetestBot's messages are wrong
07:05 celeron55 it says "committed", but displays the author's name, not the committer's name
07:05 celeron55 git commits always have an author and a committer
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07:06 celeron55 i
07:06 celeron55 *i'd maybe make the bot say "<author>/<committer> in minetest/minetest: ..."
07:07 celeron55 maximum information in the same space
07:07 celeron55 i guess that goes to sfan5|OFF
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07:34 VanessaE new deb packages posted.
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07:55 VanessaE bbl
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08:39 Issa hé how are u
08:40 Issa can u have workcompilation of minetest on codeblock on windows ?
08:43 kaeza I guess so
08:44 kaeza I use CodeBlocks myself under Linux and it works OK; I don't see why there should be a problem on Windows
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08:45 kaeza I assume you have MinGW32?
08:45 kaeza Issa, ^
08:45 Issa yes
08:46 kaeza use this command to configure the build system: cmake . -G "CodeBlocks - Unix Makefiles"
08:47 kaeza (add other options of course)
08:47 kaeza err...
08:47 kaeza s/Unix/MSYS/
08:48 kaeza I'm not familiar with the CMake UI, but there should be an option to select a generator somewhere
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08:55 kaeza derp, whatever
08:55 Issa kaeza, how i import it on codblocks
08:55 kaeza open the generated minetest.cbp file
08:56 kaeza btw "derp, whatever" == wrong channel lol
08:56 Issa no cbp files on the source
08:57 kaeza did you configure the build system as I said?
08:57 kaeza I can't remember if it's MSYS or MinGW
08:59 kaeza you could try waiting a bit and asking PilzAdam or sfan5 to make a Windows build for you
09:00 Issa i want compile mySelf
09:00 Issa and change source code and compile myself
09:01 kaeza err... I figured
09:01 Issa ok i wait PilsAdam
09:02 kaeza BTW, "há"...
09:02 kaeza do you speak spanish?
09:11 kaeza Xenorax, beat you to it http://imgur.com/wqJaBg7
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09:13 * kaeza will prolly modify PilzAdam's simple mobs to add Marines and Imps
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09:18 * ShadowBot wakes up
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09:59 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
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10:03 Zeg9 Hi PilzAdam
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10:49 PilzAdam new windows build: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4547
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10:50 Calinou http://dev.minetest.net/mg_flags => feel free to contribute to
10:50 Calinou not very complete right now but much better than nothing
10:52 Issa Calinou what means this flags, please
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10:54 PilzAdam Calinou, note: use {{DISPLAYTITLE:mg_flags}} to have the "_" in the header correctly
11:02 iqualfragile hi PilzAdam
11:04 kaeza chromium is being a bitch lately
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11:04 kaeza locking up way too often
11:05 kaeza hai Jordach
11:05 jojoa1997|Tablet Kaeza how is hud going
11:05 kaeza jojoa1997|Tablet, it's already in master
11:06 jojoa1997|Tablet is there a weild item texture
11:06 jojoa1997|Tablet maker
11:06 kaeza wut
11:06 kaeza jojoa1997|Tablet, download my "misc stuff" modpack and check the crosshair_ex mod
11:06 jojoa1997|Tablet anyone have a link to what ius meantioned here? http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-04-22
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11:08 jojoa1997|Tablet kaeza sphax could use that mod with his texture pack
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11:09 kaeza jojoa1997|Tablet, the mods in the misc stuff pack is experimental or testing stuff; feel free to copy the code and/or textures and create your one based on it
11:09 kaeza these are no real mods
11:09 PilzAdam kaeza, btw, my new win build contains your HUD changes
11:10 kaeza PilzAdam, :D
11:10 jojoa1997|Tablet so it is wtfpl
11:10 PilzAdam just in case people ask
11:10 jojoa1997|Tablet though i will give credit of course
11:10 kaeza jojoa1997|Tablet, WTFPL
11:10 kaeza so do... what the fuck you want with it :)
11:11 kaeza of course credit is welcome, but not required
11:11 PilzAdam WTFPL in Minetest is actually really funny, because everyone will shout at you if you dont see it as "CC BY-SA" :-)
11:11 PilzAdam (in mods, that is)
11:11 jojoa1997|Tablet Not me
11:11 jojoa1997|Tablet everything i do is WTFPL
11:12 jojoa1997|Tablet also AMAZING! http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3162
11:12 kaeza PilzAdam, I won't shout at someone for a couple of lines :P
11:12 kaeza (both of code and graphically)
11:12 jojoa1997|Tablet kaeza your code is now mine :)
11:12 kaeza go ahead :)
11:12 jojoa1997|Tablet and i made it >.>
11:12 PilzAdam wielditem editors are pretty obsolete since we have mesh support now
11:12 jojoa1997|Tablet jk
11:12 Zeg9 *interruption time* is there any callback when a block/node is loaded?
11:12 kaeza wut
11:12 jojoa1997|Tablet pilzadam but i need to make items
11:13 jojoa1997|Tablet i mean Zeg9
11:13 jojoa1997|Tablet node boxes
11:13 PilzAdam Zeg9, nope.avi
11:13 Zeg9 Okay
11:13 Zeg9 Guess I'll have to use an ABM then :P
11:13 PilzAdam that would be very slow
11:13 PilzAdam even worse than on_generated()
11:14 PilzAdam its like a on_generated() that is called everytime some walks near the block
11:15 kaeza PilzAdam, mesh as wielditems?
11:15 kaeza meshes*
11:15 kaeza or did I read wrong?
11:15 jojoa1997|Tablet i am using it for stuff like cacti or other things
11:15 PilzAdam wielditems were abused when we had no mesh support, to have 3D mobs
11:16 PilzAdam well, the wielditem drawtype for entities
11:16 kaeza ah lol, got that the other way around
11:16 PilzAdam its still useful for nodeboxes
11:17 PilzAdam but its really 1337 to make them without an editor :-p
11:18 kaeza BTW, you can simulate better wielditems in some way by positioning an image HUD item over where the "hand" would be and using an empty wielditem texture
11:18 kaeza (though no bobbing/movement/whatever of course)
11:18 PilzAdam btw, I want doom 1-3 ported to Minetest
11:18 PilzAdam (saw your screenshots in -dev)
11:19 kaeza lol I meant that as a joke, but now I'm starting to get interested in that
11:19 Calinou moreblocks is fixed!
11:19 PilzAdam you dont have to simulate bullet entities, just instant damage
11:19 kaeza maybe change golems' textures from simple mobs to marines/imps
11:19 Calinou #markshuttleworthstyle
11:21 * PilzAdam banned Calinou from #markshuttleworthstyle
11:22 PilzAdam >:-)
11:23 Calinou There are several ways to flip Stairs+ nodes:
11:23 Calinou - using a screwdriver
11:23 Calinou - placing them in the crafting grid to cycle between normal/flipped/inverted/wall modes
11:23 Calinou - placing them on a ceiling (inverted mode)
11:23 Calinou - yelling "Hey stair/slab/panel/microblock, flip yourself!". No, that one doesn't work.
11:24 PilzAdam do you report the direction you choose to amazon?
11:24 Calinou yes, it is secured through HTTPS, so there is nothing to worry about
11:25 Calinou the next version of more blocks will also report the kind of stair you use (normal, half, alternative) to eBay
11:25 Calinou :p
11:25 PilzAdam mark shuttleworth style Copyright (c) 2012-2013 Calinou
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11:27 iqualfragile oh dear
11:27 iqualfragile i dont think that that old nodebox thing is good
11:28 iqualfragile i know that there is some kind of 3d model thing in developmet but i will just assume it has security problems
11:28 iqualfragile lets start an own 3d models thing
11:32 Calinou security problems, lol
11:39 kaeza1 dang
11:40 kaeza1 IMHO line_of_sight(pos1,pos2,stepsize) should return the position of the thing
11:40 kaeza1 +that "blocks" the LOS
11:41 kaeza1 (or better yet, the object in a format similar to pointed_thing)
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11:41 * Kacey is all dressed up
11:42 kaeza oh well... will have to find a workaround then
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11:46 PilzAdam kaeza, just do the same that line_of_sight() does, go in little steps forward until you hit something
11:46 kaeza that is slooooow
11:47 kaeza but see no other choice
11:48 PilzAdam you could just check for objects and run line_of_sight() afterwards
11:48 PilzAdam so the node checking part isnt needed anymore
11:51 Kacey bbl
11:53 kaeza hmm
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12:14 * Calinou is trying to load a 256× pack in MC
12:14 Calinou 29.6% of my RAM used
12:14 Calinou by MC only
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12:15 Calinou PilzAdam: why are wielditems hard to make without an editor? you just make a texture and it is extruded, no?
12:16 PilzAdam we were talking about wielditem drawtype for entities, wich uses nodeboxes
12:16 Calinou ah
12:16 PilzAdam also: Beds Mod update! the player lays in the bed now and cant walk away
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12:16 Calinou pack doesn't load :( reverting to 128x
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12:18 kaeza vvl
12:18 kaeza bbl*
12:18 kaeza lol
12:18 Calinou minetest with 256x pack on a server: 1.8GB -- minecraft with 128x pack on a server: 350MB
12:18 Calinou java, quand tu nous tiens
12:18 Calinou oops, it's the other way around
12:18 Calinou 1.8GB for MC and 350MB for MT
12:20 PilzAdam oh, wow, hes so uber pro! I cant believe it, he owns us all: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=86040#p86040
12:21 ruskie lol
12:21 * Calinou packs that topic in his hand
12:21 * Calinou throws his hand into trash
12:21 Calinou (yes)
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12:24 * Zeg9 has got a nice error :D
12:24 Zeg9 14:21:25: ERROR[main]: ServerError: LuaError: error: (null)
12:24 Zeg9 14:21:25: ERROR[main]: stack traceback:
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12:24 PilzAdam print(nil)?
12:24 PilzAdam that has some really strange error messages
12:25 [0gb_us] Hmm. At least that's better than my latest error message, which is no error message at all. The server just quits.
12:25 Zeg9 No, if pos1 == pos2 (sorta)
12:25 Zeg9 or it is the table.remove just after. I'll try.
12:26 PilzAdam the best error messages come up in if conditions
12:26 PilzAdam pretty much un-debugable
12:26 Zeg9 Then I tried to restart the world (singleplayer) and had a segfault :D
12:26 Zeg9 Apparently, it was not from pos1 == pos2, but from the table.remove...
12:27 PilzAdam table.revmoce(nil, nil, nil, {nil, nil, nil})?
12:27 PilzAdam *remove
12:27 Zeg9 I guess I know what's the problem
12:27 Zeg9 I'm removing something from a table while I'm iterating through it.
12:27 Zeg9 Shame on me...
12:28 Zeg9 Oh, and I forgot to write ipairs(), too
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12:40 sfan5 PilzAdam: print(nil) prints "nil"
12:40 PilzAdam no, it crashes
12:40 sfan5 since when?
12:40 PilzAdam print(dump(nil)) prints nil
12:40 sfan5 thats because dump crashes, not print
12:40 [0gb_us] Yeah, whenever I print(nil), it crashes.
12:41 PilzAdam print() only accepts strings, and dump() converts nil into a string
12:41 [0gb_us] print(dump(nil)) works fine.
12:41 PilzAdam normal lua has automatically calls print(dump()) when you call print()
12:42 PilzAdam Minetest doesnt
12:42 sfan5 TIL that you can select some text then press "quick quote" and it'll quote that text
12:42 [0gb_us] So in Minetest, print(5) should crash?
12:43 [0gb_us] Because five isn't a string, I mean.
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12:43 PilzAdam ummm
12:43 celeron55 i think lua will convert between numbers and string as needed
12:43 PilzAdam dunno, test it
12:43 celeron55 but not between anything else
12:43 celeron55 (anything else being table, nil, true and false)
12:45 [0gb_us] I know it doesn't convert tables, I've mistakenly passed them to print() before when I thought the variable contained something else. I haven't tried booleans.
12:46 [0gb_us] I'll probably test tomorrow, too much homework today.
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13:07 KikaRz Hellow!
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13:29 KikaRz DAMN HOST1FREEE!!!!!!!!!!!!
13:29 KikaRz :@@@@@
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13:38 [0gb_us] WHat did they do?
13:38 KikaRz Recused my VPS
13:39 KikaRz I can send you the email.
13:40 [0gb_us] They challenged your VPS?
13:40 KikaRz http://pastebin.com/jM1WD3nM
13:40 KikaRz ? No
13:40 KikaRz I've done an application to have a VPS, and they Refused.
13:41 KikaRz or was not approved
13:42 [0gb_us] Ah. You said "recused", which means challenged.
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13:45 KikaRz Lawl
13:45 KikaRz Well, can you help me?
13:45 KikaRz I want one free VPS, and I can't find anywhere.
13:49 KikaRz Someone can help me??? :'(
13:49 KikaRz VanessaE, are you there sweetheart?
13:49 [0gb_us] Sorry, I don't know where to get free VPS.
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14:04 * PilzAdam knows where you can get a free VPS for 3 months
14:04 PilzAdam http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5718
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14:15 KikaRz For 3 months? -.-
14:15 KikaRz i want forever.
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14:17 KikaRz 128MB Ram at least.
14:17 KikaRz PilzAdam
14:18 PilzAdam I want a new PC with 1024 GiB RAM; 10 TB SSD and a couple of 8 core i7
14:18 PilzAdam for free
14:19 KikaRz ...
14:21 KikaRz Really... Tell me please, one free vps
14:22 PilzAdam + a ISP that gives me 10 GiB/s IPv6 internet connection
14:22 PilzAdam for free
14:22 [0gb_us] If he doesn't know one,he doesn't know one. Saying "please" won't help.
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14:25 KikaRz ...
14:25 KikaRz Stupid host1free.
14:26 [0gb_us] I'm not sure how they can afford to give free VPS.
14:26 [0gb_us] You can't really expect that sort of thing.
14:27 [0gb_us] It's not like with software, where making 1024 copies has the same cost as making only one.
14:31 [0gb_us] I've looked at mapgen version seven. It's much less realistic. Personally, I don't really care, as I'm not wanting realism, but most people seem to be pushing for greater realism. So why are they so exited about more a fantastical mapgen? The contradiction confuses me.
14:35 jordan4ibanez Because the mapgen is
14:35 jordan4ibanez FUCKING BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
14:35 jordan4ibanez ring
14:35 [0gb_us] Boring and REALISTIC.
14:36 jordan4ibanez It looks like god took a sledgehammer and smashed the earth, where are the nice curves?
14:36 jordan4ibanez V7 looks more realistic
14:36 PilzAdam [0gb_us], Minetest has not the goal to be realistic at all
14:37 sokomine mostly i want intresting scenery for my singleplayer world - that is, rich plantlife, animals, diffrent biomes (snow does well already; swamp is far too slow) - a world worth exploring with much to play in
14:37 [0gb_us] The new mapgen looks like abstract art. No realism at all.
14:37 sokomine can't tell yet
14:37 [0gb_us] PilzAdam: I'm not after realism, I'm trying to figure out why the people that DO want realism are ALSO exited about unrealistic mapgen.
14:38 jordan4ibanez It's because the mapgen is realistic, maybe you are very used to cities where the terrain is horribly sculpted
14:38 PilzAdam who wants realisms and is exited about mg v7?
14:38 PilzAdam -s
14:38 [0gb_us] I want to understand their train of thought. That is all. I like the new mapgen, but I'm also not after realism, and never was.
14:38 sokomine what we need regarding mapgen are more flat areas between the scenery i think. places where people can build. there are some locations like this...mostly on top of steep cliffs
14:38 jordan4ibanez Just remember: Minetest's mapgen takes place where NO ONE else was before, so the terrain is 100% unlandscaped
14:38 jordan4ibanez it needs to be smooth and natural like in v7 mapgen
14:38 [0gb_us] I build on and under slopes with no dificulty.
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14:39 jordan4ibanez current mapgen looks like the remains of an old civilization that had a nuclear war
14:39 [0gb_us] jordan4ibanez: V7 is LESS natural, not more.
14:39 sokomine hm :-) if there where ruins all over the map, that might be quite intresting...
14:40 sokomine on the other hand...just let some unskilled players place some cobble constructions, add a few griefers -> indistinguishable from ruins
14:40 [0gb_us] The dungeons look like ruins to me.
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14:42 jordan4ibanez I am looking at v7 mapgen and it all looks very realistic, can you show me a pic which does not?
14:48 sokomine perhaps it's a question of seed
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14:53 [0gb_us] Look at the oddly-shaped mountains in any of PilzAdam's screenshots.
14:53 celeron55 i do think there should be more flat areas
14:53 [0gb_us] Also, I always use seed zero, and there is an odd cave in an odd mountain near (but not at) the center of the map.
14:54 celeron55 also i think there should be higher mountains, different kinds of bodies of water and so on
14:54 celeron55 in addition to what we have no
14:54 celeron55 now*
14:54 Jordach celeron55, rivers
14:54 [0gb_us] I know StrayBytes wants rivers.
14:55 jordan4ibanez The mountains are not unatural, but they are interesting, and yes we should have varying levels of water
14:57 [0gb_us] The mountains look VERY unnatural. If you say they look natural, you've either not seen real mountains, not seen v7, are lying, or are blind.
14:57 [0gb_us] They are quite interesting though, and I do like them.
14:57 [0gb_us] I just don't claim they look natural.
14:58 khonkhortisan I have two things to say. And the fourth one is...
14:58 jordan4ibanez Okay I think we should stop arguing over a mountain lol
14:58 celeron55 i agree with [0gb_us]
14:58 NakedFury I do agree we need to utilise more of the thousands of levels in height we have
14:58 khonkhortisan Terrain generation is something that you can never get perfect
14:58 jordan4ibanez Well you can, we just haven't reached it yet
14:58 NakedFury varying levels of bodies of water will also give us waterfall or lakes and rivers
14:59 [0gb_us] Yes, we have a lot of sky space. I think floating isles are planned.
14:59 arsdragonfly everyone has his/her own definition of perfection
15:00 NakedFury we can reach a perfect for us level of map generation but it will take time
15:00 [0gb_us] khonkhortisan: I'm not expecting it to be perfect, nor do I really care how good or bad terrain looks. I just care about people saying it looks more natural than it does.
15:01 [0gb_us] I play deep underground, where the ores are. What the surface looks like is of little consequence to me. ☺
15:01 celeron55 khonkhortisan: it's art and game design combined, and you can't perfect either of those even on their own, and in addition to that, they conflict with each other 8)
15:01 arsdragonfly Perhaps it's because we haven't seen enough natural landscapes yet
15:02 [0gb_us] Oh, I did find a hole in the bottom of the sea, and it lead strait to lava. This is the first time I've seen that sort of thing.
15:02 khonkhortisan cool
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15:04 arsdragonfly BTW are veins introduced in the mapgen?
15:04 Jordach eys
15:04 Jordach yes*#
15:04 [0gb_us] Ore veins? I hope not.
15:04 khonkhortisan I think they're clusters
15:05 jordan4ibanez I don't like how the viewing distance setter tries to auto guess, I set it to 55 and it goes into the range of 500 bringing my fps down, why?
15:05 celeron55 jordan4ibanez: set wanted_fps to something that you want
15:05 celeron55 or whatever it's called
15:06 [0gb_us] The current even distribution makes my tunnel building operation profitable. If it was switched to veins, I'd lose ore.
15:06 celeron55 it's kind of badly tuned for mid-range computers
15:06 jordan4ibanez Could there be a gui setting for this?
15:06 khonkhortisan Easily.
15:07 jojoa1997|Tablet So any lighting for nodes being added soon
15:07 jojoa1997|Tablet I know hmmmm made stained glass
15:07 arsdragonfly Why not put a simple text editor in the settings menu:P
15:08 [0gb_us] Or put a simple text editor in the operating system.
15:08 Jordach [0gb_us], clever
15:09 [0gb_us] My operating system came with at least two.
15:09 jojoa1997|Tablet Same here
15:09 [0gb_us] Getit and Vim. There may be others too that I don't know about.
15:09 jojoa1997|Tablet Or one the other came with pc
15:10 [0gb_us] jojoa1997|Tablet: What do you mean?
15:10 arsdragonfly I can't change minetest.conf when the game is running
15:10 jordan4ibanez pilzadam http://ompldr.org/vaTczNA/minetest-0.4.6-4a9b8aa-sandy-win32.zip does this one have luajit?
15:11 [0gb_us] Yeah, you have to close Minetest before changing settings.
15:11 jojoa1997|Tablet I got Microsoft word and the other notepad
15:11 jojoa1997|Tablet Yes
15:11 jojoa1997|Tablet All of his do now
15:11 jojoa1997|Tablet Though you can check by looking in bin
15:12 [0gb_us] Microsoft Word isn't a text editor. If you're counting that, my system came with three.
15:12 Jordach flabbyword
15:12 [0gb_us] I have LibreOffice Writer though, not Word.
15:12 Jordach ah
15:12 Jordach yeah, i use LO 4
15:13 jojoa1997|Tablet sfan5: do mods work when running server on android
15:13 jojoa1997|Tablet I want to test for errors
15:13 sfan5 what server?
15:14 jojoa1997|Tablet Android minetest
15:14 jojoa1997|Tablet You said you got server working
15:14 sfan5 no
15:14 sfan5 i didn't say that
15:14 sfan5 read again
15:15 jordan4ibanez Does anyone know this issue? http://i.imgur.com/DYnaS8d.jpg
15:16 sfan5 jordan4ibanez: oh god! you stabbed a sword in your hand
15:16 jordan4ibanez Not me! My friend
15:18 sfan5 that must've hurt
15:18 sfan5 *must've'd
15:18 [0gb_us] The black is caused by an erased alpha channel on the images.
15:19 [0gb_us] I don't know what's up with the hand sword though.
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15:22 celeron55 jordan4ibanez: one guy had that, he had broken drivers
15:22 celeron55 or broken driver settings
15:22 celeron55 tell him to stop messing around them
15:22 Traxie21 Working on a primitive safety system in lua, checks for safe directories before allowing io.open/close/etc.
15:23 celeron55 +with
15:23 celeron55 jordan4ibanez: also disabling shaders could possibly work (but probably not)
15:23 Traxie21 not nearly as advanced as sapier's
15:23 jordan4ibanez He's not messing around, he doesn't know what he's doing, and he's even more big-headed than me so he probably won't fix them
15:24 celeron55 Traxie21: we don't care about being advanced; we are about being compatible, not restricting anything more than is necessary and being *actually secure*, not just some child safety lock 8)
15:25 Traxie21 Heh, this is more of a child safety lock
15:25 Traxie21 Something along the lines of what Uberi said
15:25 celeron55 security is not a thing to take lightly at all - some maybe-security is the worst thing to do
15:25 celeron55 because it makes people think it is secure, while any malicious person can hack around it
15:25 Traxie21 indeed
15:26 khonkhortisan "Task Manager has been disabled by your administrator" is an example of that
15:26 Traxie21 LOL
15:26 khonkhortisan A plain user with regedit can disable it
15:28 Traxie21 celeron, when will we get any security?
15:28 Traxie21 ATM, any malicious modder could simple write some malicious code in a mod, and get away with it.
15:29 khonkhortisan That would have to be their second malicious mod for them to already be a malicious modder :P
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15:29 Traxie21 >_>
15:29 [0gb_us] Try reading the Lua before you install it.
15:29 khonkhortisan :( error: switch quantity not an integer
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15:30 [0gb_us] Or install only Lua from trusted sources. For example, PilzAdam and VanessaE are probably not going to write malicious code.
15:31 jojoa1997|Tablet what about me >.>
15:32 * jojoa1997|Tablet has a time bomb hidden in peaceful_npc after 543536563 step boom the world gets erased
15:32 [0gb_us] jojoa1997|Tablet: You reuse other peoples' code, and THEY might write malicious code.
15:32 jojoa1997|Tablet only problem is i dont know how to access files with the io.open thingy
15:32 jojoa1997|Tablet 0gb_us i always look at the code i use
15:33 Calinou io.open("C:\Windows\System32\")
15:33 Traxie21 0gb.us Not everyone wants to look at the code, and not everyone will
15:33 [0gb_us] Okay, well I thought you said you didn't understand some of the code from peaceful_npc.
15:33 jojoa1997|Tablet i actually almost destroyed everyones world with minitest
15:33 jojoa1997|Tablet i made default depend on default
15:33 jojoa1997|Tablet so none of the other mods loaded
15:33 Calinou Traxie21: sometimes when I install mods from unknown people, I search for "io" in the mod's code :P
15:33 Traxie21 Wow
15:33 Calinou and "os"
15:33 Traxie21 One line can delete your entire world file
15:33 Calinou of course
15:33 Traxie21 os.remove(minetest.get_worldpath().."/map.sqlite")
15:34 jojoa1997|Tablet [0gb_us] i understand all of it except the moving
15:34 jojoa1997|Tablet thank you i didnt need to know that
15:34 [0gb_us] Traxie21: Which is why I gave a second option: Only install code from trusted people.
15:34 Traxie21 The point is, even now, malicious code is way too easy
15:34 jojoa1997|Tablet hmmmm ping
15:35 Calinou sapier made a patch that removed some os and io functionality
15:35 [0gb_us] file:write() can also write the empty string to map.sqlite, killing it.
15:35 Calinou (was only allowed in mod directory)
15:35 Calinou it's still not merged :|
15:35 Traxie21 Why are we so scared about Jeija's cURL thingy? Because it makes it hard(er) to check code before it's done.
15:35 Traxie21 Its still not that hard though
15:35 Calinou it is not scary, it should be merged
15:35 Calinou even c-fifty-five is for merging it
15:35 Traxie21 Calinou, celeron55 dosn't like sapiers security XD
15:35 Calinou "a few people eat too much: BAN FOOD!"
15:35 Traxie21 WHAT!?
15:35 Traxie21 NEVER!?
15:36 * [0gb_us] is fat and against banning food
15:36 * jojoa1997|Tablet wants to be a bowling ball
15:36 Traxie21 fack, latest commit to HUD messed up my code again..
15:36 ShadowNinja I am trying to edit one of the ObjectRef methods, all I am getting are redirects and links, where are the actual methods?
15:37 jojoa1997|Tablet Traxie i am working on book mod
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15:37 Traxie21 We ought to commit jeija's code, because it is no less secure then what we already have
15:37 Traxie21 since we already can write horrible code, it dosn't matter where it comes from
15:38 Traxie21 If people check the code before they run it, all they have to do is visit the URL being downloaded from
15:38 [0gb_us] Traxie21: As celeron55 said, bad security is worse than no security.
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15:38 jojoa1997|Tablet not if you know it is bad
15:38 Traxie21 0gb.us, sapiers code is actually TOO restrictive afaik
15:39 [0gb_us] Traxie21: I'm not saying we should use it.
15:39 ShadowNinja There it is!
15:40 Traxie21 [0gb_us] I know, but we either need good security or no security, cURL requesting won't open some magical portal that allows malicious code in under our noses.
15:40 Traxie21 I so want it to be merged..
15:40 jojoa1997|Tablet CAn someone help me with minitest
15:40 jojoa1997|Tablet ideas really
15:40 [0gb_us] What good is the cURL downloading? It sounds like a centralized system, which seems like a bad idea with little benefit.
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15:42 jojoa1997|Tablet i need to figure out a way to get the natural materials needed for stuff
15:42 Traxie21 cURL downloading?
15:42 Traxie21 So many new possibilities
15:43 jordan4ibanez That sounds very very bad
15:43 Traxie21 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/490
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15:45 jojoa1997|Tablet anyone know what is wrong with Stu's armor mod
15:45 [0gb_us] Traxie21: Okay, I thought you meant something else.
15:45 Traxie21 lol
15:46 Traxie21 I''ve been waiting for that to be merged for so long, I may just compile it iwth my server
15:47 [0gb_us] Yeah, maybe servers that need it can compile it it.
15:47 Calinou [0gb_us]: lol, anti-centralised fanboy
15:47 Calinou centralisation ftw, it brings too many benefits, you can forget its downsides
15:47 Traxie21 0gb_us, it would be a pain to write a mod that uses that, and have to force people to recompile to use it
15:48 [0gb_us] I'm not a fan boy. I just don't think centralized it the right direction for Minetest. There are cases when centralization is very good.
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15:48 Calinou so everyone should forward their port 80 (99 % of ISPs forbid that)?
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15:48 Calinou and how would you do your distributed system?
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15:49 rubenwardy hi all
15:49 [0gb_us] What are you talking about, Calinou? Minetest doesn't typically use port 80.
15:49 [0gb_us] Hello.
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15:50 Calinou for cURL. cURL downloads web stuff, web is hosted on port 80 most of the time
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15:50 Calinou hi rubenwardy
15:51 [0gb_us] The web stuff doesn't need to be on peoples' home machines, they find file hosts .....
15:51 Calinou it would still be centralized
15:51 jordan4ibanez Oh noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
15:51 Traxie21 ?
15:51 [0gb_us] No, you can cURL to any server. So non-centralized.
15:52 PilzAdam http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=86073#p86073
15:52 * PilzAdam is bored
15:52 jordan4ibanez I have to rework all of blockmen's doors/fences mods so they don't use punch node and instead use nodeupdate
15:52 jordan4ibanez nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
15:52 Traxie21 :I Why?
15:52 jordan4ibanez because some mods use punchnode, like tnt, and sometimes it causes crashes
15:53 Calinou [0gb_us]: but the file hosts are centralized
15:53 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: default:cobble, not default:cobblestone (unless I missed something).
15:54 PilzAdam I always got that wrong :-/
15:54 Calinou looks like OOXML specification, PilzAdam
15:54 [0gb_us] Calinou: The file hosts are NOT centralized. What are you talking about? ANY server can host.
15:54 Calinou they are
15:54 Calinou dropbox.com, ompldr.org...
15:54 john_minetest Traxie21: I think it may be problematic to use this feature mentioned in #490 when using mods without checking. Everyone could load a virus on the computer with that.
15:54 Calinou noone uses their computer directly to share files
15:55 [0gb_us] Calinou: I do.
15:55 [0gb_us] Also, if there is more than one group providing hosting, that is by definition, NOT centralized.
15:56 [0gb_us] For example, if it was centralized, it would be dropbox.com OR ompldr.org, not AND.
15:58 Traxie21 john_minetest, it may be possible, but it already is possible to load a lua virus
15:59 [0gb_us] OH! OH OH OH! cURL can be accessed via os.execute() if needed.
15:59 [0gb_us] Instant cURL support without waiting.
16:01 Traxie21 but how well
16:02 Jordach actually
16:02 [0gb_us] As well as the os object allows, I guess. I don't see why a dedicated function would be any better.
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16:02 Traxie21 is it supported cross-platform?
16:03 [0gb_us] if cURL is installed globally, I think so. If not, cURL may need to be packaged with the Lua plugin.
16:04 TheBonsai system('pause') syndrome?
16:05 [0gb_us] os.execute() also allows you to pass in any needed flags.
16:05 [0gb_us] TheBonsai: What is that?
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16:06 Mati^1 hi
16:06 rubenwardy kaeza?
16:06 TheBonsai [0gb_us]: it's a classic windows "programmer" code to ask for a keypress on terminal from within theit C program :-)
16:06 TheBonsai *their
16:07 jordan4ibanez when you rightclick an on_rightclick node, the place sound of the node you are wielding will play
16:07 rubenwardy I really need to get Mt Extensions of my server: too much trafiic
16:07 rubenwardy *traffic
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16:18 Traxie21 how does one get os.execute to get the value excecuted?
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16:21 rubenwardy2 stupid internet
16:21 [0gb_us] Not sure. Check the Lua documentation.
16:23 Jordach rubenwardy, get a better isp
16:23 Jordach or stop using wireless
16:24 * ShadowBot wakes up
16:24 rubenwardy2 we will be switching isp
16:24 rubenwardy2 I am trying to get this to work: https://github.com/rubenwardy/The-NodeBox-Generator/blob/master/cNodes.cpp#L154
16:24 rubenwardy2 atm
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16:26 rubenwardy2 Almost works!
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16:26 rubenwardy2 just need to adjust stuff
16:27 * sfan5 needs someone to test his mod
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16:28 ShadowNinja sfan5: What mod?
16:28 sfan5 its a special mod for a special thing
16:29 ShadowNinja Well that is very descriptive...
16:30 Traxie21 I'll test :D
16:30 Jordach its a spleefing arena
16:30 Jordach with auto respawns
16:30 sfan5 Jordach: stop spoiling
16:30 Jordach also: more 8x stuff: http://i.imgur.com/pkA6ZN1.png
16:30 Jordach (ignore the torches)
16:32 Calinou minceraft torches
16:33 Jordach Calinou, i usually use another texture pack crop, then draw my stuff
16:33 Jordach (i dont have to grab the images again.)
16:35 Traxie21 Does anyone here use windows?
16:35 [0gb_us] Not me.
16:35 khonkhortisan Yes
16:35 khonkhortisan Also not me
16:35 Traxie21 Could you test some code for me in Windows?
16:36 Calinou dunno why but these days, I want to use windows again ;-;
16:36 khonkhortisan You've forgotten why you don't use it
16:36 Calinou even if I needed to compile minetest I can just use virtualbox to play MT inside, it's more than playable
16:36 Calinou khonkhortisan: huh?
16:36 Traxie21 http://pastebin.com/gZRk3gwW
16:36 Traxie21 I need that code in windows, curl needs to be installed
16:37 mauvebic gotta say, win7 boots hella fast, not at all what i remember from ten years + ago lol
16:37 Traxie21 It downloads code from pastebin and runs it
16:37 Traxie21 Don't worry, heres what it downloads
16:37 Calinou win8 boots a bit (1-2 seconds) slower than ubuntu
16:37 Traxie21 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=t1J1YMLD
16:37 Calinou and win7 boots 4-5 secs slower than win8
16:37 mauvebic 8? wouldn't touch that with a ten foot notch
16:37 Jordach hey mauvebic
16:38 mauvebic howdy jordach
16:38 Jordach using arch are we
16:38 mauvebic on the p4
16:38 Jordach i've considered going arch
16:38 mauvebic hp: 100 gigs for win7
16:38 mauvebic so only install games lol
16:38 mauvebic still haven't gotten around to fixing bootloader
16:38 Traxie21 Anyone with cURL installed in windows want to test my code?
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16:39 sfan5 Traxie21: you'll need
16:39 sfan5 curl
16:39 Calinou mauvebic: classicshell can put start menu back
16:39 sfan5 installed in PATH
16:39 Calinou and I could get used to win8 just fine, stop the modern DE hate
16:39 Traxie21 yes sfan
16:40 Traxie21 Is there a way to do it with the included dlls?
16:40 sfan5 no
16:40 mauvebic hmm, well i figured the HP is 9-12 mos old and has a win7 sticker on it, so i didn't fancy my chances my win8 :p
16:40 Traxie21 In that case, it would be possible to put a virus/run bad code on linux, but not windows with this/minetest, as long as cURL is not in the user's path var
16:40 mauvebic besides i had a win7 ultimate iso
16:41 Calinou hax
16:41 Jordach mauvebic, you will never see the start button in 8
16:41 mauvebic the only other iso have is xp pro lol
16:41 Jordach although start8 is a good free app
16:42 Traxie21 is it just me, or does windows 8 look like a bunch of people were adding seperate things without knowing what the others were doing?
16:42 Calinou start8 is paid, Jordach
16:42 mauvebic if i wanted tiles i have a bathroom floor that needs re-doing lol
16:43 Calinou Traxie21: it does, but it's still faster than win7
16:43 [0gb_us] My school gives me free access to Windows, but I won't install it.
16:43 * mauvebic is shocked
16:43 Jordach [0gb_us], i'm using windows for the next two years and its then a linux life forever
16:43 mauvebic i thought you were a huge fan of windows?
16:43 Jordach at school anyways
16:43 [0gb_us] I hate Windows.
16:43 * Calinou is a windows heatsink
16:44 [0gb_us] Last term, I needed Windows for one application for school. But that course is over now.
16:44 Calinou [0gb_us]: linux has its downsides too, third class hardware support, people constantly saying "why dont you use a real OS"
16:44 [0gb_us] SO I deleted WIndows.
16:44 [0gb_us] *So
16:44 mauvebic im pretty agnostic when it comes to OS'es - all the gods are dead :p
16:45 Calinou and too many made-by-community FUD
16:45 [0gb_us] Windows is the one that isn't a real OS though.
16:45 Calinou why isn't it? it has few downsides
16:45 mauvebic <Calinou> [0gb_us]: linux has its downsides too, third class hardware support
16:45 mauvebic third class software in many cases too
16:45 Calinou being proprietary (not important to me) and paid (100 euros isn't nothing)
16:45 Calinou ^
16:45 [0gb_us] It's downsides may be small in quantity, but are HUGE in effect.
16:46 * Jordach has food
16:46 mauvebic 20 thousand music players = each with one feature you need
16:46 Jordach Spaghetti Bol (to be exact.)
16:46 Jordach mauvebic, clementine is a good player
16:46 mauvebic and when they do get something right, its a complete clone and you might as well buy the original and join your friends
16:46 Calinou I'm often getting scared of my system breaking because people FUD about ubuntu and nvidia blobs being broken *_*
16:46 [0gb_us] I have all the software I need for my Linux computer. Also, on Ubuntu, I have great support for my hardware.
16:46 Calinou Jordach: GIMP sucks at texturing
16:47 Calinou ("real" textures, that is, at least 1024^2)
16:47 Calinou not pixel art
16:47 [0gb_us] Calinou: GIMP is awesome for texturing.
16:47 * Traxie21 is working on a downloader/updater for ServerExtended
16:47 Calinou [0gb_us]: what if I want to buy an AMD card? I have _zero_ info on how, eg., a 7950 will work
16:47 mauvebic gimp has a windows version, im using it for my blockscape screenshots
16:47 [0gb_us] GIMP is as powerful as PhotoShop, but has a different interface.
16:47 [0gb_us] I'm on AMD .....
16:47 Calinou never used PS so I can't voice my opinion
16:47 Calinou [0gb_us]: which graphics card?
16:48 [0gb_us] I don't know what card.
16:48 khonkhortisan There's photoshop-like gimp plugins
16:48 [0gb_us] It works fine though.
16:48 Calinou lspci | grep VGA
16:48 Calinou ^ in a terminal
16:48 [0gb_us] It's not fancy, and it doesn't run well in Debian, but my graphics card works fine in Ubuntu.
16:48 mauvebic the only linux i really like is arch, and i might try slack one day, but thats on the condition i dont update and something breaks for lack of proper testing lol
16:49 [0gb_us] 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series]
16:49 Calinou ah
16:49 mauvebic in the past ten years ive tried most of the major ones, didn't see that much of a difference, they all suck at different aspects
16:49 Calinou I was talking about modern hardware of course :P
16:50 [0gb_us] It takes time to get hardware support, as unlike Microsoft, the Linux people don't get perrelease specs on the hardware.
16:50 [0gb_us] *prerelease
16:51 mauvebic why should they? would it stop them from complaining about everything else? (proprietary drivers, for instance)
16:52 mauvebic it amazes me that people still knock on nvidia for releasing binary drivers - were it not for nvidia's driver, linux wouldn't have half the users it has
16:53 [0gb_us] I'm not expressing an opinion on whether or not they should, just explaining why Microsoft is quicker at adding support: hardware companies give them access to the specs sooner.
16:53 mauvebic oh that, market share
16:53 [0gb_us] I also have no problem with proprietary drivers.
16:53 Morrolan Calinou: Dang, you spotted me. :P
16:53 mauvebic linux is like what, <1%, and MS is like 2/3 or 3/4 of the market
16:53 [0gb_us] Proprietary software is great. It's just Windows that is awful.
16:54 mauvebic no i know but even if you don't even linus torvalds is known to blast nvidia from time to time
16:54 [0gb_us] Popular is not the same as decent.
16:54 [0gb_us] Ah, I see.
16:54 [0gb_us] I don't know a whole lot about the guy.
16:54 Morrolan "were it not for nvidia's driver, linux wouldn't have half the users it has" oO
16:54 Calinou mauvebic: 90%
16:54 mauvebic the top linux devs waste more time on politics than fixing their stuff
16:54 Morrolan I... do not use Linux because of Nvidia's drivers.
16:54 Traxie21 trying to use io.open to create a file....
16:55 Traxie21 no success yet.
16:55 * Calinou does, he can use fan control there! but he cannot go below 40%! AWESOME
16:55 Morrolan Haha.
16:55 [0gb_us] I use it because of legal issues.
16:55 Calinou legal aspects of opensource aren't a reason, imo
16:55 mauvebic i use em because the opensource graphics drivers are complete and utter crap and they pretend it's as good lol (apple's distortion field was ported to linux)
16:55 Calinou in france, there are no software patents and stuff like that
16:56 Calinou even NDAs have zero value in france
16:56 Traxie21 Ah
16:56 Traxie21 How does one create a folder in lua?
16:56 sfan5 os.execu
16:56 sfan5 *os.mkdir
16:56 sfan5 IIRC
16:56 [0gb_us] The issue is that it's illegal for me to install my original OS on this hardware. Legally I can install Linux, so I did.
16:57 [0gb_us] I needed an OS, but didn't want to break the law.
16:57 mauvebic i shouldn't worry too much about legal
16:57 [0gb_us] So yes, legality is an issue.
16:57 Calinou you can use a windows ISO fine, for 30 days
16:57 mauvebic i think these days they got better things to do (catch terrorists)
16:57 Calinou after 30 days you need an activation key
16:57 [0gb_us] Windows is awful, I refuse to use it.
16:57 Calinou [protip: buy "full" versions of windows, not OEM ones. much more expensive but useful in the long term)
16:57 * Morrolan blinks
16:57 Calinou OEM versions are linked to the motherboard :P
16:57 Morrolan Noo. :P
16:58 Morrolan They are?
16:58 Calinou they are
16:58 [0gb_us] I'm NEVER buying Windows. I will not pay for an inferior product.
16:58 Morrolan As in, you install it on one computer, then it's linked to that motherboard?
16:58 Calinou try changing your mobo, with or without the CPU at the same time, you can't reinstall iirc
16:58 * sfan5 has a windows cd that is intended for OEM "distributors"
16:58 Calinou dunno how it works exactly
16:58 mauvebic meh, my HP didn't come with a restore CD, but they would have sold one to me, so i just DL'ed the drivers and an iso, legal or not, its the same setup as when i bought the damn thing, so... who cares lol
16:58 Morrolan Ah. Probably never noticed it, since I change my hardware more often than my OS.
16:58 Calinou google
16:58 sfan5 *windows 7
16:58 Morrolan Or, well, maybe about as often.
16:58 Calinou sfan5: 90% of people buy that, it is perfectly legal
16:59 Morrolan Eh, just as often, else it wouldn't make sense.
16:59 * Morrolan sighs
16:59 Morrolan Back to coffee.
16:59 sfan5 windows wants a new activation key if the system hardware changes too much
16:59 Calinou motherboard mainly
16:59 Calinou you can change everything else
16:59 mauvebic use removewat
16:59 [0gb_us] For me, it was a Linux versus OS X issue. Windows is so awful it wasn't even an OPTION.
16:59 Morrolan Windows is just fine.
17:00 Morrolan It has its shortcomins for development (of anything not .NET), but as an OS it performs nicely.
17:00 * sfan5 doesn't really like Win
17:00 mauvebic windows might be awful in your eyes, but all the best games come out for it first
17:00 Calinou Morrolan: virtualbox ;)
17:00 ImQ009 Calinou, I changed the mobo and Win 7 didn't bother me
17:00 Calinou OEM version or not?
17:00 sfan5 Calinou: VBox game performance is shitty
17:00 [0gb_us] Windows is not just fine.
17:00 ImQ009 Oh, you're talking about OEM
17:00 ImQ009 That's a different story then
17:00 [0gb_us] Windows security is awful. It's unacceptable. It also eats resources like crazy.
17:00 Morrolan Calinou: Yea. I just use a notebook for work (with Linux), and a desktop computer with Dual Boot for, well, the rest.
17:00 mauvebic then theres being able to buy a camera, printer or scanner and not worry if it's compatible with lin
17:00 Morrolan [0gb_us]: Pft.
17:00 ImQ009 [0gb_us], I guess you just were unlucky with it, really :P
17:01 Calinou sfan5: I can play minetest inside, ~30FPS
17:01 [0gb_us] Having games is not worth the sacrifice of having to use Windows.
17:01 Morrolan Then don't, for fuck's sake.
17:01 sfan5 [0gb_us]: about windows security... windows xp security is really awful
17:01 Calinou you have games in linux, but nowhere near the quality and polish of AAA games
17:01 Calinou sfan5: win8 is quite secure
17:01 Morrolan Yea. One day! One day we will!
17:01 mauvebic security and resource management can be awful in any OS, depends what kind of crap you put on top of the OS
17:01 [0gb_us] ImQ009: I couldn't have been unlucky with it, because I was never a Windows user.
17:01 ImQ009 [0gb_us], Then how can you judge?
17:01 sfan5 xp doesn't even have ASLR, find and overflow bug and you can make a 97% working exploit for XP
17:01 ImQ009 That's quite silly, isn't it??
17:02 [0gb_us] Windows 8 security is awful to, not just XP.
17:02 ImQ009 Double ?, excuse me
17:02 mauvebic ive seen people load so much bling on ubuntu as to make it as unusable as my little sisters' win setup lol
17:02 sfan5 [0gb_us]: ASLR is quite powerful..
17:02 Calinou the issue is the developers don't play games too
17:02 Morrolan mauvebic: Isn't that how Ubuntu ships by default? :o
17:02 Calinou pulseaudio latency is still horrible if you haven't got hyperthreading
17:02 * Morrolan stares at links to amazon and god knows what else
17:02 Calinou so basically I'm forced to buy i7s or i3s
17:02 [0gb_us] If you do any reading, you can tell how bad Windows is. Also, my mother gets viruses all the time on her Windows machine.
17:02 mauvebic pulseaudio destroyed my last set of speakers/subs
17:02 mauvebic physically
17:03 Calinou [0gb_us]: beginner windows user
17:03 [0gb_us] "ASLR" is what?
17:03 Calinou I used no AV on windows for 1 year = ZERO issue
17:03 Calinou mauvebic: lol, speakers
17:03 ImQ009 [0gb_us], The worst thing is to rely on others' opinions.
17:03 Calinou 20 euro speakers?
17:03 sfan5 [0gb_us]: adress space layout randomization
17:03 mauvebic <Calinou> the issue is the developers don't play games too <- they do 1/3 code, 2/3 politics and philosophy lol
17:03 ImQ009 I use Windows for years and I haven't got ANY major problems
17:03 sfan5 [0gb_us]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_space_layout_randomization
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17:03 mauvebic noooo calinou i had a nice pair of JBL speakers
17:03 [0gb_us] Windows is awful. You shouldn't have to be an expert to keep your computer safe. A beginner should be able to keep basic security.
17:03 Calinou JBL?
17:04 mauvebic isn't that the name?
17:04 ImQ009 [0gb_us], There's no good OS for beginner
17:04 Calinou if as many people used ubuntu as windows it would be as unsafe, [0gb_us]
17:04 ImQ009 On Windows a beginner will get shit load of viruses. On Lunix he just won't know how to use the thing
17:04 [0gb_us] ImQ009: I don't rely on others' opinions. Other people (most people) are in love with Windows. But am I? No.
17:04 ImQ009 An impass
17:04 mauvebic http://blog.mytrendyphone.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Harman-Kardon-JBL-Duet-Speaker-System.jpg
17:04 Calinou I'm not in love with windows :P
17:05 Calinou pulseaudio still can't destroy stuff physically
17:05 sfan5 Calinou: the least people in this channel ae
17:05 sfan5 *are
17:05 [0gb_us] ImQ009: Good, I don't know. But there are plenty of SAFE OSs for beginners.
17:05 Traxie21 how does one test weather or not a file exists without crashing the game?
17:05 Calinou nad report a bug, too :P
17:05 mauvebic ogb people aren't in love with windows, they prolly dont pay 1/4 the attention to what OS theyre running as you do :p
17:05 ImQ009 [0gb_us], Oh, I'm definitely not in love with Windows, I'd gladly change it but I'm kinda stuck with the software
17:05 Calinou "weather" ö_ö
17:05 Calinou look outside? :D
17:05 Traxie21 whether
17:05 ImQ009 And Wine? Meeeeh
17:05 Traxie21 For some reason, it crashes if the folder does not exist
17:06 [0gb_us] mauvebic: They panic if you tell them to use anything but Windows. That counts as being in love with Windows.
17:06 Calinou wine runs trackmania for me, but you cannot extend that to photoshop and *cough*pirated filterforge*cough*
17:06 mauvebic thats because theyre not interested in fucking around with what works
17:06 mauvebic they see zealots coming a mile away
17:06 sfan5 Calinou: trackmania also runs fine for me in wine
17:06 [0gb_us] Linux doesn't need to be "fucked with" to make it work.
17:06 mauvebic its starts with 1) try it! its much better
17:06 Calinou a bit slow with highest settings
17:06 mauvebic 2) we have equivilant sofware
17:07 [0gb_us] Try what?
17:07 mauvebic 3) buy compatible hardware
17:07 Calinou [0gb_us]: it does, often
17:07 mauvebic 4) fix it yourself
17:07 ImQ009 [0gb_us], It does :P A beginner wouln't have idea how to install basic stuff
17:07 Calinou if I want to hide bootloader: edit /etc/default/grub then type sudo update-grub
17:07 Traxie21 Congrats. On any minetest install with cURL on linux, you can add an auto-updater for mods
17:07 mauvebic so yeah, win users panic faced with those four stages
17:07 [0gb_us] Calinou: If it doesn't work out of the box, you didn't get the right disto.
17:07 Calinou xubuntu isn't fine?
17:07 Calinou no other distro has OOTB graphical bootloader configuration
17:08 Calinou I use "something else" in the installer as always
17:08 Calinou the other choices just suck :P
17:08 [0gb_us] If Xubuntu doesn't work out of the box, it's not fine for beginners.
17:08 mauvebic the only pickle i have now is weather to use win7 bootloader to start arch or restore grub, according to archwiki, both should work
17:08 mauvebic *whether (force of habit)
17:08 john_minetest I began linux with a try to install gentoo!
17:08 Calinou it works, but I don't want to have to press "enter" every time I boot
17:08 [0gb_us] I don't mean it has to work out of the box to be good for non-beginners.
17:08 Calinou I have long POST time and PSU failure 50% of the time when booting, it is long enough
17:09 mauvebic for 2 years linux mint couldn't decide weather PATA or SATA drive should boot first, so it took turns alternatively calling each hda, hdb lol so it would only boot half the time
17:09 Calinou >2013 >IDE
17:10 mauvebic and this, i was told to fix myself lol
17:10 mauvebic and i was like "but im not an OS dev" lol
17:10 Traxie21 Currently writing a ServerExtended installer
17:10 Traxie21 Progress: 20%
17:10 mauvebic you can't try to convert people if the default reaction is always DIY
17:11 * Traxie21 has stumbled upon a breakthrough, no one really cares :3
17:11 mauvebic like tinkering might be fine for most people here, but most win users have jobs to go to and family to take care of, computer isn't 1st in list of concerns
17:11 [0gb_us] mauvebic: Exactly. It needs to just work out of the box.
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17:12 Calinou and no distro does that
17:12 mauvebic well now you're just making arguments FOR windows :p
17:12 [0gb_us] No. Windows doesn't work at all, let alone out of the box .....
17:12 mauvebic and you can tell, RMS ain't getting any (action)
17:12 * Calinou looks at minecraft splash "Not on steam"...
17:13 ImQ009 [0gb_us], "Windows doesn't work at all" "Not relying on others' opinions"
17:13 ImQ009 Right :P
17:13 mauvebic well knowing your love for win, you prolly scratched obscenities onto the dvd before trying to load it lol
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17:14 [0gb_us] Whenever I am forced to deal with Windows, I see how non-functional it is. How is that relying on other peoples' opinions, pray tell?
17:14 ImQ009 [0gb_us], Saying that Windows "doesn't wrok at all" is "resource heavy" and shit is just invalid and silly, especially knowing that you don't know shit, really
17:14 ImQ009 I mean, you haven't used it after all
17:14 mauvebic well heres another example: even before loading up the drivers, win7 just worked on the HP. Most linux liveimages wouldn't start, arch would, with MESA, but was terribly laggy until i installed catalyst, which took forever, after that, it was finally usable
17:15 ImQ009 I agree that Windows isn't a perfect OS
17:15 ImQ009 It DOES have a lot of flaws
17:15 [0gb_us] I don't know a whole lot, but I do know it doesn't work and it lags my computer like crazy.
17:15 ImQ009 But what you're saying
17:15 ImQ009 Is just plain... silly
17:15 [0gb_us] It's not in any way silly.
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17:15 ImQ009 I guess you had a bad luck then if it lags for you
17:16 [0gb_us] It's not bad luck. It's the fact that Windows sucks like hell.
17:16 Calinou [0gb_us]: lags? less sound latency in windows, almost zero :P
17:16 ImQ009 You're such an ignorant, [0gb_us] :P
17:16 Calinou linux (pulseaudio) + HT is pretty good, but disable HT and you've got 100ms latency
17:16 ImQ009 You completely ran out of arguments and keep repeating the same stuff
17:16 mauvebic i didn't even know my HP had HDaudio before trying win7 lol
17:17 ImQ009 We might end this conversation right now as well
17:17 [0gb_us] If anything, the bad luck is that I ever have to deal with Windows at all.
17:17 ImQ009 Seeing it doesn't lead anywhre
17:17 mauvebic i nearly shit myself starting up blockscape for the first time with the hd audio working
17:17 mauvebic dude, your obsessive hate for windows is more than just bad luck
17:18 [0gb_us] ImQ009: And you have made zero valid arguments, and only question my logic, never presenting any of your own.
17:18 mauvebic if it were just bad luck you wouldn't feel the need to comment on it at every turn
17:18 ImQ009 [0gb_us], Of course I did, you're just not understanding them
17:18 harrison windows is bad
17:18 [0gb_us] mauvebic: Exactly, not bad luck.
17:18 [0gb_us] Exactly.
17:19 mauvebic dunno if i already asked, but how old are you?
17:19 [0gb_us] Me? Twenty-three, though I don't see how that is relevant.
17:19 ImQ009 [0gb_us], I've worked with a lot of computers, all of them ran Windowses, they ran FINE, no lag, no problems
17:19 ImQ009 Is that kind of logic "invaid"?
17:20 mauvebic not saying this applies to you, but i often notice geeks who replace sexual frustration with religious devotion to one platform or another
17:20 [0gb_us] ImQ009: It doesn't lag if you have powerful hardware. Linux gets more done with less hardware.
17:21 mauvebic its one of the reason i avoided the profession lol
17:21 ImQ009 [0gb_us], The worst hardware I had is a Athlon XP,
17:21 ImQ009 it worked fine :P
17:21 [0gb_us] I'm asexual and agnostic, so I lack sexual and religious frustration.
17:21 ImQ009 an* sorry
17:21 mauvebic well in my experience 3/4s of asexuals just haven't picked a gender yet
17:22 * Calinou questions mauvebic and Jordach's sexuality
17:22 mauvebic question all you want, at least im getting some lol
17:22 [0gb_us] THat may be, but isn't the case for me. I found my gender, and I'm still asexual.
17:22 arsdragonfly|pho It seems like the argument is losing control
17:22 mauvebic just trying to find the underlying cause for the winhate
17:23 ImQ009 mauvebic, The win hate IS reasonable
17:23 mauvebic its hard to buy the redundant yet intensive arguments
17:23 ImQ009 However saying shit arguments is not
17:23 mauvebic it shouldn't be if your using an OS you're satisfied with
17:23 [0gb_us] I don't even WANT to be "getting some". The thought of having sex is not a pleasant one for me. That logic would be similar to telling me "At least I'm cutting myself".
17:23 arsdragonfly|pho Seriously there's no need to compare something you play with with something you work with
17:23 mauvebic well weather or not you want some, people do need to get off
17:24 mauvebic otherwise it manifests itself in all sorts of weird behaviours
17:24 [0gb_us] mauvebic: Normal people need to get off. The few of us that lack sexuality do not.
17:24 ImQ009 Erm, so now you've switched over to sexual orientation discussion? It's his thing whether he wants to hump or not :P
17:24 [0gb_us] I don't know how this ended up on sex ....
17:24 ImQ009 Apparantely he doesn't want, the world doesn't end on sex anyways
17:25 mauvebic no but these weird obsessions (like on win) is usually a symptom of something else
17:25 mauvebic if you own a honda and you love, what do you care if your neighbour drives a pontiac?
17:25 mauvebic *love it
17:25 ImQ009 As long as the arguments are reasonable I "accept" the hate on something :P
17:26 [0gb_us] I don't care what car people has, as it has no effect on me. But do you know what heard immunity is?
17:26 mauvebic hate leads to fanaticism lol
17:26 ImQ009 especially on Windows, I've seen plenty of people hating on it, I even dislike it a bit
17:26 ImQ009 but they were prooving some valid points
17:26 [0gb_us] *people have
17:26 mauvebic heard immunity = every generation has its elements of counter-culturals
17:27 mauvebic contrarians if you want
17:27 [0gb_us] Heard immunity is the effect that when most of a group resists a disease, even those who are not resistant have more protection from said ailment.
17:27 [0gb_us] Likewise, the reverse is true.
17:28 mauvebic meh, ive noticed drugs have the opposite effect on me than on most people
17:28 [0gb_us] When most are NOT resistant, it lowers the resistance of those that would normally resist.
17:28 mauvebic stimulants calm me down, sleeping pills don't work, etc.
17:28 [0gb_us] The same applies to malware.
17:29 [0gb_us] The more people are using WIndows, the less safe we all are.
17:29 mauvebic and dentists' frezing meds dont work either :(
17:29 ImQ009 mauvebic, ouch
17:29 mauvebic i still think it's an irrational fixation
17:30 ImQ009 so? it is his thing :P
17:30 mauvebic imq yeah after being shot 17 times i just told him to pull it and went to the nearest liquor store afterwards lol
17:30 [0gb_us] Not only that, but software support rests with the majority. So while most people chose to use the world's worst operating system, those of us that have more sense don't get software support, and have to use Windows at times.
17:30 Calinou how did I even start this discussion ö_ö
17:30 * Calinou breaks moreblocks again
17:30 [0gb_us] So other people using Windows DOES impact non-Windows users in several bad ways.
17:30 ImQ009 [0gb_us], Valve has done something about it
17:31 mauvebic people didn't chose the "worlds worst OS", it was just there. the same way if you want to socialnetwork you go with facebook and not some obscure network with a few thousand mostly inactive profiles
17:31 ImQ009 Anyway, why would software developers invest in developing software for a "few" users that are on something else than Windows? :P
17:31 ImQ009 Money is an important factor there as well
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17:31 celeron55 so OS wars, huh?
17:32 mauvebic why would professional paid developers waste time with linux at all? god knows half the users will complete if you so much as chose the wrong license or use a single proprietary bit
17:32 [0gb_us] ImQ009: Exactly, which is why other people using WIndows impacts those of us that don't.
17:32 celeron55 i like Palm OS 3.3!
17:32 mauvebic *complain
17:32 [0gb_us] Palm OS 3.3 isn't Windows, so I like that as well.
17:32 ImQ009 [0gb_us], The process of "switch over" to different platforms has began already
17:32 mauvebic lol say that to ogb, no one can so much as mention win when he's around :p
17:32 ImQ009 It goes slowly but it will eventually go somewhere
17:33 mauvebic calinou i think it started when we were talking about boot times lol
17:33 celeron55 boot time doesn't even matter; what matters is suspend-to-ram time and reboot time :P
17:33 celeron55 ehm...
17:33 mauvebic people still suspend? lol
17:33 celeron55 reboot frequency*
17:33 mauvebic the time it takes to boot/reboot lol
17:34 mauvebic suspend seems kinda redundant
17:34 ImQ009 celeron55, Depends :D If it boots in 6 seconds then you don't even need to use STR
17:34 [0gb_us] ImQ009: I'm aware of the switchover.And I'm very grateful for that. Microsoft is aware too, and is doing all they can to slow it down. But it is inevitable. And they continue to slowly lose market share. But I'll probably be dead before the switch has progressed very far.
17:34 mauvebic especially if you have to keep a swap slightly bigger than your ram
17:34 celeron55 suspend is like a gift from heaven; all of your work and open programs are 100% left as-is and you can continue right where you left
17:34 celeron55 mauvebic: that's called suspend-to-disk
17:34 celeron55 or hibernate
17:34 mauvebic well even xfce saves your session on shutdown now?
17:35 celeron55 session saving basically sucks like hell
17:35 ImQ009 [0gb_us], Good stuff's happening either way. Windows is getting better and better trying to hold people (altho Metro UI was a shot in the foot)
17:35 celeron55 programs don't support it and you end up with eg. a desktop full of empty terminals
17:35 celeron55 not useful at all
17:36 [0gb_us] A lot of what Microsoft is doing to keep users isn't related to Windows improvement.
17:36 ImQ009 Depends on what you look at
17:36 mauvebic well when i reach the point of needing to reboot/suspend i usually have too much crap open all over the place anyhow lol
17:37 ImQ009 [0gb_us], It's mostly due to the fact Windows isn't as hyped as their other shit like Surface, Windows Phone
17:37 mauvebic thats where save session works against me if i forget to close everything before shutting down lol
17:37 Traxie21 celeron55, I wrote an auto-updater mod that works w/ current git + cURL + linux
17:37 ImQ009 So itm might look like that
17:38 mauvebic one thing i remember about old windows is installing litestep, was hella faster than explorer of the era lol
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17:43 Calinou celeron55: suspend never works :P
17:43 Calinou on linux it's russian roulette
17:46 * ssieb has been using suspend for years with very few problems
17:47 * ssieb hasn't had a windows desktop in nearly 10 years :-P
17:47 * [0gb_us] suspends whenever he is too lazy to shut down, which is almost nightly
17:48 ssieb I suspend/resume many times a day because I transport my laptop between home and work and use it on the way
17:49 ssieb probably about 6 cycles per day :-)
17:52 celeron55 Calinou: on my laptop it works perfectly
17:52 celeron55 on my desktop... well, not at all
17:53 celeron55 on my work laptop it works fine too
17:53 celeron55 it's mostly a matter of using old enough all-intel hardware
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17:53 celeron55 altough it worked fine on my old laptop that had nvidia
17:54 celeron55 8)
17:54 * arsdragonfly finshed his homework
17:54 arsdragonfly *finished
17:54 celeron55 ssieb: that kind of use seems to be hard to even imagine by the "by a desktop computer for gaming" people
17:54 arsdragonfly zzzzzz~~~
17:55 celeron55 ssieb: as a laptop user... that's one of the most important things i want from a computer
17:55 celeron55 s/by a/buy a/
17:55 ssieb indeed
17:58 [0gb_us] It works on my AMD laptop too.
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18:01 Calinou suspend works fine with open source drivers but it's still russian roulette with blobs
18:01 Calinou official opensource ones :p
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18:11 ungali_mobile does compiling without sound support give a measurable performance boost?
18:13 khonkhortisan LuaJIT gives a measurable performance boost
18:13 [0gb_us] That's not what he asked though.
18:14 khonkhortisan Without the ambience mod, I don't see sound slowing the game down. But it's probably measurable.
18:14 ungali_mobile thanks; is a fairly older machine, so I'll go without
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18:30 celeron55 sound shouldn't really make any difference at all
18:31 celeron55 of course some, but it's dwarfed by everything else that MT does
18:34 ungali_mobile i think I'll have to compile without graphics, then. ;)
18:35 [0gb_us] Good idea. You should try that.
18:36 Zeg9 Bye all, going off for a week!
18:37 Traxie21 bai!
18:37 [0gb_us] Bye, have fun!
18:37 Traxie21 Oh yeah, im leaving too, on saturday
18:37 Traxie21 :3
18:37 Traxie21 cyas Zeg9!
18:37 Zeg9 See you!
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19:05 Traxie21 Automatic updater now fetches files from GitHub as configured!
19:05 Traxie21 and saves config files to prevent loss of configuration options
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19:11 rubenwardy The node box generator 0.1 is almost ready to be released!
19:12 Traxie21 ruben
19:12 Traxie21 I has something awesome >:D
19:12 sokomine hi rubenwardy
19:12 Traxie21 hi ruben/soko
19:12 Calinou hi
19:12 rubenwardy working on exporter and changing the selected node ui
19:12 Calinou Traxie21, does your automatic updater work with all mods, or just yours? is it easy to adapt?
19:12 Traxie21 Its easy to adapt
19:13 Calinou ah, ok
19:13 Traxie21 but it only runs on a system with curl in the path variable
19:13 Traxie21 It basically downloads updatelists.txt from wherever you specify, and uses the files in that to download the rest of the modpack
19:13 Traxie21 It puts all downloaded mods in its own modpack, because it has to be able to check them
19:14 Calinou ah
19:14 Traxie21 its actually pretty cool
19:16 Traxie21 ATM, I'm trying to make the update-checker work by re-running the update script
19:16 Traxie21 however, it dosn't approve, so it may require you to restart the server twice
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19:17 Traxie21 I wish I could find a way for it to work without restarting iteslf, but whatever
19:18 Traxie21 Aaaand
19:18 Traxie21 now it's stuck in an auto-update loop, constantly updating itself XD
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19:21 rubenwardy Traxie21: you could make it shut the server down, and then use a bash script to automatically restart it
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19:21 rubenwardy os.quit()
19:21 Traxie21 Indeed I could
19:21 Traxie21 But, this is a mod
19:21 rubenwardy but that is not very good for a server
19:21 Traxie21 no bash scripts allowed :P
19:21 rubenwardy meh
19:21 Traxie21 However, after the updater is run, only one restart is needed
19:22 Traxie21 just fixed it
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19:30 rubenwardy byew
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19:31 rubenwardy *bye all
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19:31 rubenwardy sapier: The node box generator 0.1 is almost ready to be released!
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19:31 rubenwardy 0.1 is still alpha
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19:32 sapier lol :-)
19:32 sapier tooo late I already use meshes
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19:34 jordan4ibanez how is the wield image set for nodeboxes?
19:35 jordan4ibanez like I mean, is there a way to hack nodeboxes into the item definition for the hand
19:35 jojoa1997|Tablet rubenwardy i would like to see this generator
19:40 jojoa1997|Tablet should i name the armor for example
19:41 jojoa1997|Tablet "Gold Helmet" or "Golden Helmet"
19:42 Traxie21 Alrighty, Update system 1.0 is ready!
19:42 Traxie21 *0.1
19:42 VanessaE hi all
19:42 Traxie21 Hia VanessaE!
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19:42 Traxie21 I am about to release something awesome
19:42 jojoa1997|Tablet "Gold Helmet" or "Golden Helmet"
19:42 jojoa1997|Tablet which sounds better
19:43 sapier update system?
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19:43 Issa oups
19:43 PilzAdam jojoa1997|Tablet, golden
19:43 Issa sorry :)
19:43 Jordach VanessaE, sup
19:43 PilzAdam hey VanessaE
19:43 VanessaE hey
19:44 bas080 My compliments for PilzAdam and aiding noobly. I'm sure you made his day!
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19:44 VanessaE Jordach: as long as you have money to toss around, I take donations and anniversary gifts :-)
19:44 Traxie21 VanessaE, do you have cURL installed?
19:44 Jordach VanessaE, i plan on keeping it as a is shit fucks up fund
19:44 PilzAdam bas080, wut?
19:44 Traxie21 on your computer/server
19:45 bas080 http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5664
19:45 khonkhortisan Thanks for the help PilzAdam
19:45 VanessaE Traxie21: yes, but I don't use it in Minetest
19:45 Traxie21 Good
19:45 PilzAdam khonkhortisan, wut?
19:46 khonkhortisan You're telling me what I did wrong with vertical particles(pawners)
19:46 Traxie21 Fack, starts mod topic, cant decide what to write...
19:46 Calinou jojoa1997|Tablet, golden helmet
19:46 PilzAdam khonkhortisan, ah
19:46 Calinou or just "butter helmet" if you don't want to do things the minecraft way
19:47 Calinou VanessaE, curl lets you have a public server list and that's awesome :P
19:47 PilzAdam VanessaE, I want you to create this for your server: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5722
19:47 PilzAdam :-p
19:48 khonkhortisan It should be possible to make a mod (if it's loaded last) to make that
19:48 VanessaE PilzAdam: holy moses in a basket
19:48 * PilzAdam was a bit bored
19:49 khonkhortisan default:sign_wall and fence_wood don't have to have overlapping lines
19:50 VanessaE bbrb
19:50 VanessaE brb
19:52 iqualfragile PilzAdam: can i get the dia file?
19:53 PilzAdam sure: http://ompldr.org/vaTc5eg/Craft_no_tools.dia
19:53 PilzAdam Im working on it currently
19:53 PilzAdam adding some other mods from common
19:54 iqualfragile ok
19:55 Traxie21 HALP
19:55 Traxie21 I need words so I can write them
19:56 bas080 Just use apple autocomplete
19:56 bas080 See where it takes you
19:56 Traxie21 >_>
19:56 Traxie21 duck you
19:56 iqualfragile PilzAdam: i would recomment exporting the image as svg so you do not need to squeeze it into a rechteck
19:57 Calinou +1 for SVG
19:57 bas080 scale that svg. Kaboom!
19:57 PilzAdam yea, will do
19:57 Calinou kaboom? no, insta-medieval
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20:01 jojoa1997|Tablet VanessaE ping
20:02 VanessaE pong
20:03 Jordach Calinou, insta medieval duel
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20:05 jordan4ibanez Pilzadam your name means mushroom adam?
20:05 iqualfragile yes it does
20:06 jordan4ibanez How silly
20:06 jin_xi trippy
20:06 jordan4ibanez Google translater has trouble speaking http://translate.google.com/#fr/en/VanessaE
20:06 TheLastProject http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&amp;id=515#comic :P
20:07 Calinou Jordach, lol, that always finishes in "epic fail"
20:07 Calinou when both people die at same time :P
20:07 Jordach Calinou, always funny
20:08 jojoa1997|Tablet Kaeza
20:08 jojoa1997|Tablet with firearms make little smoke come out of the gun
20:09 Calinou that mod hasn't been updated in a while
20:09 Calinou but with client side particles, you can do that, yeah
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20:12 pilzjordan oh gosh
20:13 * pilzjordan slowly realizes pilzadam doesn't want people to call him mushroom
20:14 jojoa1997|Tablet does anyone get a bug where something does not show in their inventory even if it doesnt have a not in creative group?
20:14 bas080 pilzjordan, how warm is it over there?
20:14 jojoa1997|Tablet MushroomAdam
20:14 Calinou "pilz" sounds like "pills"
20:14 Calinou chill, pilz
20:14 Calinou 8D
20:14 pilzjordan warm enough...........
20:14 pilzjordan for me to be a............
20:14 pilzjordan FUNGI OHOHOHOHOHO
20:14 Calinou sounds like a reddit user making jokes
20:15 khonkhortisan Pilz prefers being called Adam.
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20:15 PilzAdam lol
20:16 jojoa1997|Tablet Tradie weilditem is working
20:16 jojoa1997|Tablet MUSHROOM ping
20:16 Calinou "tradie", hello tablet user
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20:17 khonkhortisan Is webchat still quieted?
20:17 jojoa1997|Tablet ?
20:17 pilzjordan4ibapi This should minetest.net's comic http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&amp;id=44#comic
20:18 khonkhortisan Someone spammed, then It was banned, then quieted instead.
20:18 Calinou jojoa1997|Tablet, heym I use qwerty on qn azerty keyboqrdm I4; qzeso;em seeM .D
20:18 Calinou ^ how typing on a smartphone feels
20:19 Traxie21 http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=86116#p86116
20:19 jojoa1997|Tablet can i do
20:20 jojoa1997|Tablet ^[combine^[RTransfrom
20:20 pilzjordan4ibapi sfan5|OFF I fixed your code http://goo.gl/qvEjf
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20:21 Telek VanessaE: Belatedly: Happy anniversary.
20:22 jojoa1997|Tablet how do i do the rotate an image
20:22 MinetestBot GIT: celeron55 commited to minetest/minetest: Disable fall bobbing by default; enable using fall_bobbing_amount = 1.0 36747794ab 2013-04-23T13:19:36-07:00 http://git.io/Mow4Zg
20:22 jojoa1997|Tablet NO
20:22 jojoa1997|Tablet how do i do the rotate an image
20:23 Traxie21 Updater finished: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=86116#p86116
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20:25 Calinou celeron55, why?
20:25 Calinou view bobbing is on by default
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20:25 Calinou this makes zero sense, really
20:26 Calinou the lack of fall bobbing removes a lot of feel to the game
20:26 VanessaE Telek: thanks :)
20:26 pilzjordan4ibapi He's right you know
20:27 Calinou Traxie21, quick idea: if there is a file named "no_update.txt" in the mod directory, never update.
20:27 pilzjordan4ibapi at first it was weird, but then I got used to it, kind of like using a linux computer for anything
20:27 Calinou would be cool to prevent mod updates quickly
20:27 Traxie21 Calinou, you can already disable auto-updating, but I will consider that
20:27 VanessaE celeron55: noooo, turn that back on by default
20:27 Calinou +1
20:28 Calinou there are games where you can't even disable it (I look at you, openarena), really, we're far from that
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20:29 jojoa1997|Tablet how do i do the rotate an image with ^[RTransform?
20:30 jojoa1997|Tablet anyone?
20:30 khonkhortisan ^[transformR90
20:30 Traxie21 erm, no idea
20:30 pilzjordan4ibapi Can you have multiple textures on an item?
20:30 jojoa1997|Tablet yes
20:30 khonkhortisan Yes, you can overlap many many textures
20:30 pilzjordan4ibapi I meant like a nodebox
20:30 jojoa1997|Tablet is this possible
20:30 khonkhortisan I go as much as four
20:30 Telek Okay, finally got through the backscroll :D
20:31 PilzAdam iqualfragile, svg is unreadable in the forum topic
20:31 khonkhortisan background.png^layer1.png^layer2.png^top.png
20:31 * Telek thinks his brain is fried now however :D
20:31 PilzAdam or, well, the png was unreadable too
20:31 jojoa1997|Tablet texture = texture.."^[transformR180^[combine:64x64:0,0="..weilded_item_texture
20:31 Telek Oh, how are those new 'log' pieces done BTW?
20:31 Telek Are they voxel arrays, meshes, or something else?
20:31 Traxie21 Calinou: I'm adding a variabled called never_update to version.txt
20:32 Calinou both ways work, but no_update.txt would be faster
20:32 Calinou GUI: create a file named no_update.txt
20:33 khonkhortisan > touch no_update.txt
20:33 Calinou CLI: echo "anything" > no_update.txt in mod dir
20:33 Calinou or what khonkhortisan said
20:33 iqualfragile PilzAdam: i think its allright, you couldnt ready it anyways and if you open it in a new tab you can just zoom
20:33 Telek Maybe 'tree trunk' is a better term.
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20:38 jojoa1997|Tablet is there something for rotating
20:38 Calinou screwdriver
20:39 jojoa1997|Tablet no i mean images like ^[transformR90
20:40 Traxie21 Calinou: Added never_update var
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20:41 Traxie21 brb
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20:43 jojoa1997|Tablet Who made the sprinting code last night?
20:44 Calinou wb
20:45 Traxie21 ty
20:47 jojoa1997|Tablet is it possible to have the players head bob being defined in a mod
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20:55 Traxie21 not afaik jojoa
20:56 Calinou nope
20:56 Calinou what do you mean by that, too?
20:57 PilzAdam bye
20:57 khonkhortisan Would that be the mod directly bobbing the head, or telling the client how to do it?
20:58 Traxie21 Cyas later!
20:58 Traxie21 I'm off for a month or so :3
20:59 harrison head bob being defined in a mob
20:59 harrison lyrical genius
20:59 harrison top 40 het gteed
20:59 Traxie21 Traxie21 over, and out!
20:59 harrison top 40 hst g'teed
20:59 harrison HIT
20:59 Traxie21 what the duck harrison?
21:00 harrison <jojoa1997|Tablet> is it possible to have the players head bob being defined in a mod
21:00 harrison thought phrase was brilliant as lyric
21:00 khonkhortisan The lyrics for head bob being defined in a mob is a guaranteed top 40 hit.
21:01 harrison head bob defined in a mod / ost my job on the minetest squad
21:01 harrison lost
21:02 khonkhortisan I hear that in the rhythm of the ninja turtles theme song - I don't even watch that show
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21:03 harrison in the unemployment line i will plod / ub-40 and a welfare fraud
21:07 khonkhortisan What should I do if someone tries to create a particlespawner without specifying a texture?
21:07 Exio stab the one who tried :D
21:07 khonkhortisan I'm not sure whether it should give an error, generate a texture, or use unknown_something
21:08 khonkhortisan eh, I'll just generate. That's what nodes do.
21:09 celeron55 who cares as long as it doesn't crash 8)
21:11 Exio haha
21:11 Exio i saw blur
21:12 Exio and through someone had implemented it
21:12 khonkhortisan it probably would've, I'm just now initializing what the table is supposed to provide
21:13 khonkhortisan v3f pos, vel, acc;
21:13 khonkhortisan pos= vel= acc= v3f(0, 0, 0);
21:13 Exio v32 pos = vel = acc = v3f(0, 0, 0); doesn't work?
21:13 * jojoa1997|Tablet is back with dessert! Napolion Ice Cream!!!
21:14 khonkhortisan v32 vel, acc; v32 pos = vel = acc = v3f(0, 0, 0); works
21:14 jojoa1997|Tablet do not scope icecream and then place the scooper to your tounge
21:14 khonkhortisan metal?
21:15 khonkhortisan The first "=" stops variable creation, and changes it to initialization
21:15 Exio er
21:15 khonkhortisan v3f pos = v3f(0, 0, 0), vel = v3f(0, 0, 0), acc = v3f(0, 0, 0); also works
21:15 Exio sorry :P
21:16 khonkhortisan It's the kind of thing where it doesn't work like you expect it to, like if (a < b < c)
21:18 jojoa1997|Tablet yeah metal
21:19 khonkhortisan I'll just ignore any extra keys in the table
21:20 jojoa1997|Tablet celeron55 will mappable keys for any key be in the near future
21:20 khonkhortisan not that kind of key :)
21:20 jojoa1997|Tablet i know but i still want that
21:21 jojoa1997|Tablet if i just define a nodebox does the selection box equal the same thing
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21:49 khonkhortisan I expected it to crash on minetest.add_particlespawner({pos=true})
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22:17 Kacey are we going to add rubies and what not to default?
22:18 ShadowNinja Kacey: Have you debuged pong?
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22:19 Kacey no i have been busy today
22:20 Kacey maybe tomorrow
22:32 Kacey bbl maybe
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23:03 Deivan I saw "camera.cpp" in the last git update...  :-o
23:04 Deivan I need a camera to my secondary project video monitor. :D
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23:05 kaeza greetings
23:05 Deivan Hello.  :)
23:05 kaeza hey Deivan
23:05 ShadowNinja Hello kaeza!
23:05 kaeza sup Shadow
23:05 Deivan :)
23:06 kaeza I'm having a small issue...
23:06 ShadowNinja The sky ;-), and changing technics config system
23:06 Deivan I am working in a kart mod...  But the developing is going to slow...  :-/
23:07 Deivan RL is killing me.
23:07 Deivan :-o
23:08 kaeza I'm trying to make a 'get_pointd_thing' function that will work for longer ranges than the player is able to dig
23:08 Deivan :-o
23:08 kaeza anyone knows exacly what is the height of the "eyes" of the player?
23:09 ShadowNinja Check camera.cpp, 1.8 or 1.5 iirc
23:09 kaeza hmm
23:10 kaeza 1.5 seems to be a bit high, but precise enough
23:10 Deivan get_look_pitch()?
23:10 Deivan Maybe
23:11 kaeza and actually run fast!
23:11 kaeza runs*
23:12 kaeza measured with os.clock(), it takes less than a microsecond to "cast" a ray to a max range of 20 nodes
23:12 ShadowNinja how about 100?
23:12 kaeza heck, even less than a nanosecond :)
23:13 khonkhortisan kaeza, 1.5 + 2/16 EXACTLY
23:13 khonkhortisan unless there is a node above your head, then it's 1.5
23:13 ShadowNinja 1000, 10000, 100000?
23:13 kaeza ah thanks khonkhortisan, I was trying to look that up
23:14 ShadowNinja 66000 = whole map, is that fast?
23:14 jojoa1997|Tablet whty the change with the node
23:14 kaeza ShadowNinja, lemme test, but very high ranges are impossible to test; the ray would reach an unloaded block before
23:14 ShadowNinja hmmm
23:15 ShadowNinja set the unload timeout to an hour or so for testing
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23:15 khonkhortisan kaeza, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/player.h#L122
23:16 khonkhortisan BS multiplies it by ten, but ignore that.
23:16 kaeza thanks khonkhortisan
23:17 kaeza ShadowNinja, 10ms for a 100 node range
23:17 kaeza (hit ignore)
23:18 kaeza now I need to test with lots of entities
23:18 ShadowNinja hmm, not bad, what are you thinking of doing with this?
23:18 Exio kaeza: in C++?
23:18 kaeza Exio, Lua
23:18 TheBonsai ShadowNinja: lightsaber :)))
23:18 sokomine anyone willing to test my modified replacer?
23:19 kaeza ShadowNinja, remove entities from firearms
23:19 sokomine it can be found unter http://github.com/Sokomine/replacer
23:19 kaeza (i.e. simulate high velocity bullets)
23:19 ShadowNinja Ah, neat
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23:20 sokomine i'd like to know how useful it now is for handling of nodes. especially regarding stairsplus ones. param1 and param2 are now stored, so you can rotate one stair in the right direction, sneak+right click on that, and then change all nodes you want to that type and rotation
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23:33 sokomine does anyone know of a simple place to store a small image? can't acces zimg.eu right now
23:33 VanessaE ompldr
23:34 NakedFury imgur
23:38 sokomine thanks. i tried ompldr
23:38 sokomine hm. does not seem to work?
23:40 sokomine ok. works now
23:40 drizz what would make /rollback fail?
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23:45 jojoa1997|Tablet MiniTest 1.4.1 "Small Fixes" will be released soon
23:47 sokomine i don't know how rollback really works
23:47 sokomine anyone in a mood to test my modified replacer?
23:48 sokomine i think it will be a great help with realbadangels new 6d facedir nodes...
23:48 sokomine (or is nobody but me using slabs and panels?)
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23:52 kaeza ShadowNinja, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/screenshot_961452467.jpg
23:52 mauvebic i forgot i even filed this: http://trac.videolan.org/vlc/ticket/6181 , 14 months later and no fix lol
23:54 mauvebic im afraid to ugprade VLC and find more broken stuff lol
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23:57 jojoa1997|Tablet http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=86151#p86151

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